[Edu-sig] The fate of raw_input() in Python 3000
kirby.urner at gmail.com
Sat Sep 9 22:52:22 CEST 2006
On 9/9/06, Arthur <ajsiegel at optonline.net> wrote:
> kirby urner wrote:
> >import math
> >math.cos( 90 * math.degrees)
> >-- that's what a first class might include. If what stops 'em isn't
> >the Python syntax, but the trig, then we go over the trig. Basic
> >numeracy. All as a bundle. Not your grandfathers math class (but
> >some hoped it'd be for their kids -- remember when the future was,
> >well, futuristic?).
> How you manage to tangle your sensible and salable ideas into a
> rhetorical jumble that makes them sound a lot more dazed, dazzling,
> and unsaleable they then are on their merits - confounds me.
What's so unsensible about using Python as a calculator in math class
for starters? That's how Guido's tutorial begins. You don't do
anything but quote, then launch the following diatribe:
> I am convinced that the problem is that you have engaged the wrong
> enemy. It is not the school board of Hodunk, Missouri..Talked to with
> respect for your joint mission of the welfare of their charges, and your
> sensible ideas presented without your form of Princetonian arrogance -
> I see a team.
I never mentioned fighting a school board in Missouri, now did I.
Trying to pull the wool, hey?
> Your problem is the radical constructivists. You believe in *typing*,
> you talk about *mathematical ideas* - trigonometry, even - rather than
> "analytical skills", which of course means everything and nothing at the
> same time.
I'm willing to compete in this rarified rhetorical way, sure, but more
I'm just into making raw_input seem ridiculous and unsophisticated.
Combat that however you may. Maybe Ruby has raw_input?
> They are better funded. You cannot afford your arrogance if you are at
> all serious about competing. But then I don't believe you are actually
> trying to win. Would take a kind of discipline that you exhibit does
> not interest you.
> Just getting your rocks off?
You presume I'm fighting some school board, whereas in Portland we're
just seeing more and more ways to get our open source capital on the
map, *and* to save a bundle, by going with free software (not taking
credit for all this momentum by the way -- maybe why you think I'm
arrogant is because you live on the other coast, the more backward
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