> Grunch with a u is from Gander of Geese, saw some other funny ones, Oh drat sorry, meant Gaggle of Geese not Gander. This guy Haim (aka Zorro) on Math Forum always heckles me when I get that wrong. Here's an official government web page to help us out in the future: http://www.npwrc.usgs.gov/about/faqs/animals/names.htm Kirby