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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <54AE9B11.5040105@ntoll.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/01/15 14:26, Andre Roberge wrote: > I'm curious as to why, as far as I can tell and other than my own, > there are no proposals by anyone contributing to edu-sig to this > year's Pycon's Education Summit. > > Andr? > > (I have written a blog post about this, if you want more > details.... > http://aroberge.blogspot.ca/2015/01/where-are-edu-sig-folks-at-python.html) > > > > _______________________________________________ Edu-sig mailing > list Edu-sig at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > I'm in the middle of writing mine. The deadline is next week right..? 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I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page ... and perhaps I should have. Andr? On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe wrote: SNIP > > I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to > advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. > > On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full > rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out > to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig distro > for assistance in late December, but got NO response. > > I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, > especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', > etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test > messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. > > I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I see > that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to assist > and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least > until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful for > the help... > > --------------------------------------------- > > For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel free > to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the invite-only > caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to sign up and > tell your friends. > > http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 > > The Pycon Description of the Summit: > https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ > > For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator Site > http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 > > And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: > http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html > --------------------------------------------- > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 18:15:51 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:15:51 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Looks good. I don't think we've ever heard from listowner Wilson on this list. We do get good spam filtering I think. I've put in a request to be at the upcoming Pycon but I don't think it's been approved. I was unable to attend last year. Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I post. Kirby On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Andre Roberge wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... > > Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. > > @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and > ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page > ... and perhaps I should have. > > Andr? > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe > wrote: > SNIP > >> >> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >> >> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >> distro for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >> >> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >> >> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I see >> that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to assist >> and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least >> until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful for >> the help... >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel free >> to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the invite-only >> caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to sign up and >> tell your friends. >> >> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >> >> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >> >> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator Site >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >> >> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 18:29:48 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:29:48 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Off hand, I'm not taking "not hearing from the listowner" as a reason to change ownership. Hypothetically, the listowner was appointed by the BDFL sometime in the murky past. I long ago accepted life in a benevolent dictatorship. Kirby On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Chalmer Lowe wrote: > If we aren't hearing from the list owner, I would be happy to take that > ... If we can get the over arching maillist admins to make that change, I > am happy to help. (After making a thorough effort to reach out to Wilson > directly, of course!) > > Chalmer > On Jan 8, 2015 7:15 AM, "kirby urner" wrote: > >> >> >> Looks good. >> >> I don't think we've ever heard from listowner Wilson on this list. We do >> get good spam filtering I think. >> >> I've put in a request to be at the upcoming Pycon but I don't think it's >> been approved. I was unable to attend last year. >> >> Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in >> Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. >> >> Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I post. >> >> Kirby >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Andre Roberge >> wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >>> >>> Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >>> >>> @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >>> ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page >>> ... and perhaps I should have. >>> >>> Andr? >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >>> wrote: >>> SNIP >>> >>>> >>>> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >>>> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >>>> >>>> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >>>> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >>>> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >>>> distro for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >>>> >>>> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >>>> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >>>> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >>>> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >>>> >>>> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. 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I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page > ... and perhaps I should have. > > Andr? > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe > wrote: > SNIP >> >> >> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >> >> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig distro >> for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >> >> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >> >> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I see >> that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to assist >> and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least >> until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful for >> the help... >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel free >> to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the invite-only >> caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to sign up and >> tell your friends. >> >> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >> >> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >> >> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator Site >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >> >> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> > From jeff at elkner.net Thu Jan 8 18:51:05 2015 From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A coup? If the prize for this coup is the loss of free time that will come from this volunteer effort, I don't think we have to worry too much about stepping on anyone's toes ;-) On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:45 PM, Chalmer Lowe wrote: > Kirby: > > you are right... and I am not talking about a coup. > > I am saying that I sent a request to the list owner asking for help so that > my messages can get to the list. > > I got no response... > > the follow-on seems to be: > * identify if the email address for the owner is still active > * identify if the owner is still interested/able to do the job > * if no... either correct the address OR > * find a new owner (or better new owners) so that the list is maintained... > > This morning, I also reached out to the maintainers of the mailing list > system as a whole: > mailman at python.org > postmaster at python.org > > to see if anyone can troubleshoot why my messages are not getting through. > > right now, checking the edu-sig archive, everyone's in this thread (you, > jeff, andre, etc) are getting through. I am the only one that isn't making > it... sigh. > > chalmer > > > > > Chalmer Lowe, MS > > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png > Level 1 > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:29 AM, kirby urner wrote: >> >> Off hand, I'm not taking "not hearing from the listowner" as a reason to >> change ownership. >> >> Hypothetically, the listowner was appointed by the BDFL sometime in the >> murky past. I long ago accepted life in a benevolent dictatorship. >> >> Kirby >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Chalmer Lowe >> wrote: >>> >>> If we aren't hearing from the list owner, I would be happy to take that >>> ... If we can get the over arching maillist admins to make that change, I am >>> happy to help. (After making a thorough effort to reach out to Wilson >>> directly, of course!) >>> >>> Chalmer >>> >>> On Jan 8, 2015 7:15 AM, "kirby urner" wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Looks good. >>>> >>>> I don't think we've ever heard from listowner Wilson on this list. We >>>> do get good spam filtering I think. >>>> >>>> I've put in a request to be at the upcoming Pycon but I don't think it's >>>> been approved. I was unable to attend last year. >>>> >>>> Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in >>>> Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. >>>> >>>> Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I >>>> post. >>>> >>>> Kirby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Andre Roberge >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >>>>> >>>>> Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >>>>> >>>>> @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >>>>> ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page >>>>> ... and perhaps I should have. >>>>> >>>>> Andr? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >>>>> wrote: >>>>> SNIP >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >>>>>> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >>>>>> >>>>>> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >>>>>> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >>>>>> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig distro >>>>>> for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >>>>>> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >>>>>> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >>>>>> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I >>>>>> see that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to >>>>>> assist and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at >>>>>> least until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful >>>>>> for the help... >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel >>>>>> free to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the >>>>>> invite-only caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to >>>>>> sign up and tell your friends. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >>>>>> >>>>>> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >>>>>> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >>>>>> >>>>>> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator >>>>>> Site >>>>>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >>>>>> >>>>>> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >>>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Edu-sig mailing list >>>>> Edu-sig at python.org >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >>>>> >>>> >> > > Chalmer Lowe, MS > > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png > Level 1 > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Jeff Elkner wrote: >> >> I just emailed Tim Wilson as well. I don't expect a response (since >> Andre didn't get one), but I wanted to cover that base before making >> further inquiries. I am of the opinion that edu-sig could be a >> valuable resource for us, and we ought to do what we can to bring it >> back on-line. >> >> I'm going to email the PSF list to ask who I can contact about perhaps >> taking over from Tim. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jeff >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andre Roberge >> wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >> > >> > Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >> > >> > @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >> > ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig >> > page >> > ... and perhaps I should have. >> > >> > Andr? >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >> > wrote: >> > SNIP >> >> >> >> >> >> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >> >> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >> >> >> >> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >> >> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached >> >> out >> >> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >> >> distro >> >> for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >> >> >> >> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >> >> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign >> >> up', >> >> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple >> >> test >> >> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >> >> >> >> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I >> >> see >> >> that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to >> >> assist >> >> and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least >> >> until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful >> >> for >> >> the help... >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel >> >> free >> >> to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the >> >> invite-only >> >> caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to sign up >> >> and >> >> tell your friends. >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >> >> >> >> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >> >> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >> >> >> >> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator Site >> >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >> >> >> >> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >> >> >> >> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 19:54:28 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 10:54:28 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't understand "bring it back on-line". Is edu-sig off-line in some way currently? I have noticed no interruption in service. That's why I'm not calling for some shake up in list ownership. We've had pretty smooth sailing, not counting the usual snits about topics. Kirby On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:40 AM, Jeff Elkner wrote: > I just emailed Tim Wilson as well. I don't expect a response (since > Andre didn't get one), but I wanted to cover that base before making > further inquiries. I am of the opinion that edu-sig could be a > valuable resource for us, and we ought to do what we can to bring it > back on-line. > > I'm going to email the PSF list to ask who I can contact about perhaps > taking over from Tim. > > Thanks! > > Jeff > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andre Roberge > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... > > > > Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. > > > > @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and > > ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig > page > > ... and perhaps I should have. > > > > Andr? > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe > > wrote: > > SNIP > >> > >> > >> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to > >> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. > >> > >> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full > >> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached > out > >> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig > distro > >> for assistance in late December, but got NO response. > >> > >> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, > >> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', > >> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple > test > >> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. > >> > >> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I see > >> that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to > assist > >> and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least > >> until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful > for > >> the help... > >> > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> > >> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel free > >> to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the > invite-only > >> caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to sign up > and > >> tell your friends. > >> > >> > http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 > >> > >> The Pycon Description of the Summit: > >> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ > >> > >> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator Site > >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 > >> > >> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: > >> > http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html > >> --------------------------------------------- > >> > >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Kirby On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:00 AM, Andre Roberge wrote: > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:54 PM, kirby urner wrote: > >> >> >> I don't understand "bring it back on-line". Is edu-sig off-line in some >> way currently? >> > > When the people organizing Pycon's Education Summit can not post > information about said Summit to edu-sig, I'd say that it is broken. > > >> I have noticed no interruption in service. >> >> That's why I'm not calling for some shake up in list ownership. We've >> had pretty smooth sailing, not counting the usual snits about topics. >> > > Tim Wilson has indicated that he requested to be removed years ago as > maintainer of this list, and the email wilson at visi.com, which is > associated with the owner of that list, is no longer valid. > > So, once again, I'd say that it is broken as no one is currently > administrating it. Kudos to Jeff for volunteering to assume this "burden"! > ;-) > > Andr? > > >> >> >> Kirby >> >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 21:19:53 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 12:19:53 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] followup link to more posts re my edu-related initiative / outreach project Message-ID: On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:15 AM, kirby urner wrote: Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in > Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. > > Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I post. > However I should at least post a link for any curious browsers, not all that easy to find otherwise, unless you already know where to look: http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=2662930 The short of it is CP4E (Guido's project) + HP4E (imitating the meme). CP4E is introduced on the edu-sig home page. HP4E is an old theme of mine in this archive, easiest summarized with an image search: http://bit.ly/1zXpa0V (just a Google image search on "hexapent") This started to get rolling around EuroPython / Chalmers which was at the same time as a Nano-Tubes convention, so buckyballs were in the air (I must have breathed some in). "Adding this spin to own's Powerpoints gives an edge in IT" is my mantra for the PyLadies of Bangalore (et al). Kirby PS: If I don't get to Edu-Summit this year, I should at least make the next two as ya'll will be in my home town for 2016, 2017, woo hoo. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 22:19:25 2015 From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 11:19:25 -1000 Subject: [Edu-sig] Test: please disregard. Message-ID: This is only a test, please disregard. Apologize for any interruption. 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URL: From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 18:22:50 2015 From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:22:50 -1000 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If we aren't hearing from the list owner, I would be happy to take that ... If we can get the over arching maillist admins to make that change, I am happy to help. (After making a thorough effort to reach out to Wilson directly, of course!) Chalmer On Jan 8, 2015 7:15 AM, "kirby urner" wrote: > > > Looks good. > > I don't think we've ever heard from listowner Wilson on this list. We do > get good spam filtering I think. > > I've put in a request to be at the upcoming Pycon but I don't think it's > been approved. I was unable to attend last year. > > Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in > Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. > > Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I post. > > Kirby > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Andre Roberge > wrote: > >> Hi everyone, >> >> Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >> >> Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >> >> @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >> ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page >> ... and perhaps I should have. >> >> Andr? >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >> wrote: >> SNIP >> >>> >>> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >>> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >>> >>> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >>> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >>> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >>> distro for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >>> >>> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >>> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >>> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >>> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >>> >>> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I see >>> that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to assist >>> and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least >>> until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful for >>> the help... >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> >>> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel free >>> to sign up at the EventBrite Link... 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URL: From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 18:45:25 2015 From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 07:45:25 -1000 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Kirby: you are right... and I am not talking about a coup. I am saying that I sent a request to the list owner asking for help so that my messages can get to the list. I got no response... the follow-on seems to be: * identify if the email address for the owner is still active * identify if the owner is still interested/able to do the job * if no... either correct the address OR * find a new owner (or better new owners) so that the list is maintained... This morning, I also reached out to the maintainers of the mailing list system as a whole: mailman at python.org postmaster at python.org to see if anyone can troubleshoot why my messages are not getting through. right now, checking the edu-sig archive, everyone's in this thread (you, jeff, andre, etc) are getting through. I am the only one that isn't making it... sigh. chalmer Chalmer Lowe, MS http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:29 AM, kirby urner wrote: > Off hand, I'm not taking "not hearing from the listowner" as a reason to > change ownership. > > Hypothetically, the listowner was appointed by the BDFL sometime in the > murky past. I long ago accepted life in a benevolent dictatorship. > > Kirby > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Chalmer Lowe > wrote: > >> If we aren't hearing from the list owner, I would be happy to take that >> ... If we can get the over arching maillist admins to make that change, I >> am happy to help. (After making a thorough effort to reach out to Wilson >> directly, of course!) >> >> Chalmer >> On Jan 8, 2015 7:15 AM, "kirby urner" wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Looks good. >>> >>> I don't think we've ever heard from listowner Wilson on this list. We >>> do get good spam filtering I think. >>> >>> I've put in a request to be at the upcoming Pycon but I don't think it's >>> been approved. I was unable to attend last year. >>> >>> Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in >>> Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. >>> >>> Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I >>> post. >>> >>> Kirby >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Andre Roberge >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>> >>>> Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >>>> >>>> Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >>>> >>>> @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >>>> ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page >>>> ... and perhaps I should have. >>>> >>>> Andr? >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >>>> wrote: >>>> SNIP >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >>>>> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >>>>> >>>>> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >>>>> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >>>>> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >>>>> distro for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >>>>> >>>>> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >>>>> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >>>>> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >>>>> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >>>>> >>>>> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I >>>>> see that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to >>>>> assist and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at >>>>> least until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful >>>>> for the help... >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel >>>>> free to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the >>>>> invite-only caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to >>>>> sign up and tell your friends. >>>>> >>>>> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >>>>> >>>>> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >>>>> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >>>>> >>>>> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator >>>>> Site >>>>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >>>>> >>>>> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >>>>> >>>>> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Edu-sig mailing list >>>> Edu-sig at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >>>> >>>> >>> > Chalmer Lowe, MS http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png Level 1 On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Jeff Elkner wrote: > I just emailed Tim Wilson as well. I don't expect a response (since > Andre didn't get one), but I wanted to cover that base before making > further inquiries. I am of the opinion that edu-sig could be a > valuable resource for us, and we ought to do what we can to bring it > back on-line. > > I'm going to email the PSF list to ask who I can contact about perhaps > taking over from Tim. > > Thanks! > > Jeff > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andre Roberge > wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... > > > > Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. > > > > @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and > > ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig > page > > ... and perhaps I should have. > > > > Andr? > > > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe > > wrote: > > SNIP > >> > >> > >> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to > >> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. > >> > >> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full > >> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached > out > >> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig > distro > >> for assistance in late December, but got NO response. > >> > >> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, > >> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', > >> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple > test > >> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. > >> > >> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. 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URL: From jeff at elkner.net Fri Jan 9 13:04:58 2015 From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:04:58 -0500 Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 138, Issue 11 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> In terms of the website, I think the edu-sig home page is a good place to >> start: >> https://www.python.org/community/sigs/current/edu-sig >> >> I notice when I'm at the maillist info page and click on edu-sig home page, >> prominent at the top, I do NOT actually go to the above page, but to a >> SIGs-in-general page: >> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >> ---> https://www.python.org/community/sigs >> >> This is clearly broken, and a test of our new administrative muscles would >> be >> to get that fixed, I would think. Yes, Kirby, I noticed this problem too. I don't have access to change that link. >> On the home page itself I find at least one dead end link, e.g. under >> Miscellaneous >> >> Software Carpentry by Greg Wilson is a course on >> software development >> skills for scientists and engineers. >> >> That's not working at all. Maybe it just moved? I can edit the edu-sig home page, but the Software Carpentry link is working fine for me. Jeff From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 16:08:16 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:08:16 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] Getting more involved with education and the PSF... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think the mailing list listowner role and coordinating PES are entirely separate roles. For example we could rotate the latter while keeping the former fixed for many years. The edu-sig page has never mentioned PES. I'd have no problem with Jeff doing both, but I see no reason to confuse the listowner responsibility with any specific event. Other Pycons besides the North American one will have their EduSummits most likely. No one person is going to coordinate them all. Kirby On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 8:04 AM, Jeff Elkner wrote: > Let's see if Naomi has anything different to say, but doesn't it make > sense that the main task of the edu-sig coordinator would be to > coordinate the edu-sig's main event, the PES? > > On Fri, May 23, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Chalmer Lowe > wrote: > > Jeff, I would be happy to be the coordinator. > > Next question is... > > What are the official duties of a SIG coordinator? > > : ) > > > > On May 23, 2014 10:40 AM, "Jeff Elkner" wrote: > >> > >> OK, I'm all set with the access I need to edit the edu-sig page. I > >> plan to spend at least part of my time on May 31st (National Day of > >> Civic Hacking) working on the web site. > >> > >> The bottom of our web page currently says: "Send suggestions for > >> changes to the edu-sig list.", which is a good way to handle > >> suggestions. > >> > >> Looking over the SIG page here: https://www.python.org/community/sigs/, > I > >> read: > >> > >> * Each SIG has a charter, a coordinator, a mailing list, and a > >> directory on the Python website. > >> * SIG membership is informal, defined by subscription to the SIG's > mailing > >> list. > >> * Anyone can join a SIG, and participate in the development > >> discussions via the SIG's mailing list. > >> > >> I don't think we have a edu-sig coordinator at present. Would this be > >> something you would be interested in doing, Chalmer? Perhaps Naomi can > >> shed some more light on the practice for the last two years since she > >> started it, but it seems to me that a revived edu-sig would be the > >> logical group to help coordinate the PES. > >> > >> At some point soon we should add edu-sig on the SIG page as one of the > >> currently active SIGs. > >> > >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:18 AM, Chalmer Lowe > >> wrote: > >> > Jeff: > >> > > >> > Thanks for spinning up this conversation. Great stuff. > >> > > >> > My intent is to volunteer to chair the Python Education Summit (PES) > >> > next > >> > year (based on Naomi's comments regarding stepping down). I don't know > >> > what > >> > the formal process is to make that official... Naomi... can you shed > >> > light > >> > on that? > >> > > >> > As everyone prolly already knows, that is not a task that can be done > >> > alone, > >> > so there should be plenty of opportunities for others to get their > hands > >> > dirty. My guess/hope is that Jessica will want to help again this > year. > >> > > >> > I captured a ton of notes and thoughts that I am putting to paper to > >> > outline > >> > 'the process' for next year's PES. Planned on putting that up on > github > >> > as > >> > soon as I can. (I'm relocating right now, so free time is a luxury I > >> > don't > >> > have). > >> > > >> > Along with supporting the PES, I would love to support the types of > >> > efforts > >> > you are outlining here. > >> > > >> > Thanks again for firing up this conversation. > >> > > >> > chalmer > >> > > >> > Chalmer Lowe, MS > >> > > >> > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png > >> > Level 1 > >> > > >> > > >> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Andre Roberge > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Jeff Elkner > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Two questions: > >> >>> > >> >>> 1. Andre, what do I need to do to begin maintaining that page? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> I have not maintained the page for quite a few years now. I changed > >> >> computer twice in the meantime. > >> >> > >> >> Here's what I remember that I had to do. > >> >> > >> >> 1. contact someone on the web support team (pointing out, I think, > to > >> >> the > >> >> relevant edu-sig discussion) > >> >> > >> >> I know you just asked about how to begin, but just in case you'd want > >> >> to > >> >> know, here were the next steps. > >> >> > >> >> 2. generate some ssh key (if I recall correctly) so that I would be > >> >> allowed to commit changes > >> >> 3. download the whole site (first time) or update it thereafter > >> >> 4. (re)build it locally. > >> >> 5. edit the relevant rst file > >> >> 6. rebuild it (repeat 5 and 6 as needed) > >> >> 7. commit changes > >> >> 8. repeat steps 3 to 6 as needed (based on suggestions/requests > >> >> received) > >> >> > >> >> Now, it could well be that, with the redesign, the process is much > >> >> easier > >> >> and can be done online using a CMS. > >> >> > >> >>> > >> >>> 2. Is there anyone in this thread not on edu-sig? My next reply > will > >> >>> go only to the list. > >> >>> > >> >>> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:09 AM, Jessica Nickel > >> >>> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > Sounds like a plan. I would be happy to talk with Selena about the > >> >>> > work > >> >>> > to > >> >>> > bridge the gap between k-12 educators and Python programmers. I > was > >> >>> > a > >> >>> > k-12 > >> >>> > teacher for 10 years (music) and I have been working in schools > with > >> >>> > my > >> >>> > program to teach python coding to kids for the past year and a > half, > >> >>> > so > >> >>> > I do > >> >>> > have some experience in that area. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Jeff Elkner > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Great! So it seems we have two short term goals: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> 1. Get someone to agree to maintain the website (I'm volunteering > >> >>> >> if > >> >>> >> there isn't anyone else chomping at the bit to do it). > >> >>> >> 2. Reach out to Selena Deckelman to help her with her efforts to > >> >>> >> bridge the gap between developers and K-12 teachers (a noble goal > >> >>> >> indeed!). > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> Do we agree that edu-sig is the sensible place to hold this > >> >>> >> conversation? > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> If we do, can we ask Selena to join the list if she is not > already > >> >>> >> there? I'll also encourage folks like Lee Harr (cc'd here), the > >> >>> >> creator of the wonderful Pynguin environment > >> >>> >> (https://code.google.com/p/pynguin/) to join the list and the > >> >>> >> discussion. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 8:01 AM, Naomi Ceder > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> >> > One point of info I can add - the person you're thinking of > >> >>> >> > running > >> >>> >> > for > >> >>> >> > PSF > >> >>> >> > board is Selena Deckelman, who was on Nate's panel at the edu > >> >>> >> > summit. > >> >>> >> > She's > >> >>> >> > been very into bridging the gap between developers and K-12 > >> >>> >> > teachers. > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > Naomi > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Edu-sig mailing list > >> >>> Edu-sig at python.org > >> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > >> >> > >> >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 16:12:08 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:12:08 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] Python Education Summit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Right, and I didn't know Timothy Wilson had already asked to not be listowner any more. I didn't want to diss anyone after many years of smooth sailing if the only issue was in principle easily fixed. But since then I've learned we don't really have a listowner and haven't for many years. I'm happy to see that situation addressed and am glad people are stepping up to the plate. I don't see the Pycon Edu-Summit as somehow the main purpose or event of the edu-sig community such as it is. People join and/or consult this list from many walks of life for many reasons. So in my latest posts I'm merely suggesting we not confuse the listowner role with anything Pycon-related. Which doesn't mean the same person can't wear multiple hats. I do, in other organizations. Kirby On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Chalmer Lowe wrote: > Kirby: > > you are right... and I am not talking about a coup. > > I am saying that I sent a request to the list owner asking for help so > that my messages can get to the list. > > I got no response... > > the follow-on seems to be: > * identify if the email address for the owner is still active > * identify if the owner is still interested/able to do the job > * if no... either correct the address OR > * find a new owner (or better new owners) so that the list is maintained... > > This morning, I also reached out to the maintainers of the mailing list > system as a whole: > mailman at python.org > postmaster at python.org > > to see if anyone can troubleshoot why my messages are not getting through. > > right now, checking the edu-sig archive, everyone's in this thread (you, > jeff, andre, etc) are getting through. I am the only one that isn't making > it... sigh. > > chalmer > > > > > Chalmer Lowe, MS > > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png > Level 1 > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:29 AM, kirby urner wrote: > >> Off hand, I'm not taking "not hearing from the listowner" as a reason to >> change ownership. >> >> Hypothetically, the listowner was appointed by the BDFL sometime in the >> murky past. I long ago accepted life in a benevolent dictatorship. >> >> Kirby >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 9:22 AM, Chalmer Lowe >> wrote: >> >>> If we aren't hearing from the list owner, I would be happy to take that >>> ... If we can get the over arching maillist admins to make that change, I >>> am happy to help. (After making a thorough effort to reach out to Wilson >>> directly, of course!) >>> >>> Chalmer >>> On Jan 8, 2015 7:15 AM, "kirby urner" wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Looks good. >>>> >>>> I don't think we've ever heard from listowner Wilson on this list. We >>>> do get good spam filtering I think. >>>> >>>> I've put in a request to be at the upcoming Pycon but I don't think >>>> it's been approved. I was unable to attend last year. >>>> >>>> Edu-wise my focus believe or not has been the Python community in >>>> Bangalore, actually IT more generally, but women more specifically. >>>> >>>> Long story on math-teach. I try not to duplicate too much of what I >>>> post. >>>> >>>> Kirby >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Andre Roberge >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, >>>>> >>>>> Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >>>>> >>>>> Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >>>>> >>>>> @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >>>>> ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig page >>>>> ... and perhaps I should have. >>>>> >>>>> Andr? >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >>>>> wrote: >>>>> SNIP >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >>>>>> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >>>>>> >>>>>> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >>>>>> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached out >>>>>> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >>>>>> distro for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >>>>>> >>>>>> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >>>>>> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign up', >>>>>> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple test >>>>>> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I >>>>>> see that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to >>>>>> assist and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at >>>>>> least until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful >>>>>> for the help... >>>>>> >>>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel >>>>>> free to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the >>>>>> invite-only caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to >>>>>> sign up and tell your friends. >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >>>>>> >>>>>> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >>>>>> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >>>>>> >>>>>> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator >>>>>> Site >>>>>> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >>>>>> >>>>>> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >>>>>> --------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Edu-sig mailing list >>>>> Edu-sig at python.org >>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> > Chalmer Lowe, MS > > http://projecteuler.net/profile/threelowelifes.png > Level 1 > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:40 AM, Jeff Elkner wrote: > >> I just emailed Tim Wilson as well. I don't expect a response (since >> Andre didn't get one), but I wanted to cover that base before making >> further inquiries. I am of the opinion that edu-sig could be a >> valuable resource for us, and we ought to do what we can to bring it >> back on-line. >> >> I'm going to email the PSF list to ask who I can contact about perhaps >> taking over from Tim. >> >> Thanks! >> >> Jeff >> >> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 11:37 AM, Andre Roberge >> wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > Hoping *my* message will make it to the edu-sig list ... >> > >> > Please read the important announcement from Chalmer Lowe below. >> > >> > @Jeff: any chance you could investigate the mailing list issue and >> > ownership? I never did so myself when I was maintaining the edu-sig >> page >> > ... and perhaps I should have. >> > >> > Andr? >> > >> > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:16 PM, Chalmer Lowe >> > wrote: >> > SNIP >> >> >> >> >> >> I have attempted to reach out to the edu-sig on four occasions to >> >> advertise to them that the Edu Summit was coming. >> >> >> >> On two occasions, I sent edu-sig messages to the distro with a full >> >> rundown on the details, but neither of them made it through. I reached >> out >> >> to wilson at visi.com, who is purportedly the owner of the edu-sig >> distro >> >> for assistance in late December, but got NO response. >> >> >> >> I thought it was potentially due to some sort of spam filtering, >> >> especially since my posts included links and comments such as 'sign >> up', >> >> etc. so over the past several days, I have tried to send very simple >> test >> >> messages to the edu-sig mailing list, all to no avail. >> >> >> >> I am on the distro and get messages from it, but can't send to it. I >> see >> >> that you can send to the distro... so if you would be so kind as to >> assist >> >> and wouldn't mind posting the following to the edu-sig distro (at least >> >> until I get my account problems worked out), I would be most grateful >> for >> >> the help... >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> For those who wish to go to the Python Education Summit please feel >> free >> >> to sign up at the EventBrite Link... There was an error and the >> invite-only >> >> caveat is not applicable in years past, so please feel free to sign up >> and >> >> tell your friends. >> >> >> >> >> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-pycon-2015-education-summit-tickets-15029161627 >> >> >> >> The Pycon Description of the Summit: >> >> https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/ >> >> >> >> For the current list of proposed talks... see our Google Moderator Site >> >> http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 >> >> >> >> And of course, we are always looking for people willing to help out: >> >> >> http://pycon.blogspot.com/2014/12/looking-for-volunteers-pycon-2015.html >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lac at openend.se Fri Jan 9 19:40:29 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2015 19:40:29 +0100 Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig list owner In-Reply-To: Message from Chalmer Lowe of "Thu, 08 Jan 2015 07:45:25 -1000." Message-ID: <201501091840.t09IeT05024054@fido.openend.se> -------- Just FYI: The list owner of a mailman mailing list doesn't have to be one person. You can have several owners. This is useful when the workload is high or you want to make sure that there is always somebody awake who is owner of the list. I don't think either of these are relevant here, but Jeff, if you find you need help, just ask. Laura From jeff at elkner.net Fri Jan 9 22:21:17 2015 From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 16:21:17 -0500 Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 138, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:08 AM, kirby urner wrote: > I think the mailing list listowner role and coordinating PES are entirely > separate roles. > > For example we could rotate the latter while keeping the former fixed for > many years. > > The edu-sig page has never mentioned PES. > > I'd have no problem with Jeff doing both, but I see no reason to confuse > the listowner responsibility with any specific event. > > Other Pycons besides the North American one will have their EduSummits > most likely. > > No one person is going to coordinate them all. > > Kirby Just as a point of information, the Pycon Education Summit is being coordinated by Chalmer Lowe and Jessica Nickel (see https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit), not me. From kirby.urner at gmail.com Fri Jan 9 22:26:54 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 13:26:54 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 138, Issue 16 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for clarifying. Kirby On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 1:21 PM, Jeff Elkner wrote: > On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 11:08 AM, kirby urner > wrote: > > I think the mailing list listowner role and coordinating PES are entirely > > separate roles. > > > > For example we could rotate the latter while keeping the former fixed for > > many years. > > > > The edu-sig page has never mentioned PES. > > > > I'd have no problem with Jeff doing both, but I see no reason to confuse > > the listowner responsibility with any specific event. > > > > Other Pycons besides the North American one will have their EduSummits > > most likely. > > > > No one person is going to coordinate them all. > > > > Kirby > > Just as a point of information, the Pycon Education Summit is being > coordinated by Chalmer Lowe and Jessica Nickel (see > https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit), not me. > _______________________________________________ > Edu-sig mailing list > Edu-sig at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Might some jobs involve telecommuting and not physically going anywhere? ----- My answer: Good questions. There are many walks of life for those with coding skills. If you were to attend the expo hall at Pycon (generic name for a "Python circus"), the booths, where companies recruit Python coders, range from Disney to DNA analysis work. Oft times, your value to a team comes as coding skills plus some domain specific knowledge, by which I mean some special familiarity with the needs of specific clientele. To take an example, I became familiar with the needs of small nonprofit groups to keep track of members and subscribers, to help people register for events, and later to harvest and warehouse medical procedure related data. My coding skills were valuable but also my ability to understand a client's need. I was an independent for-hire contractor. In that role, I was not back office but always in demand at some suite or headquarters, but then I also had my own office for coding. A big divide in the work experience is between people who code "solo" i.e. for or by themselves, perhaps sharing code over the web, and people in teams, organized by project and community managers. Many different ecosystems prevail, and some involve telecommuters. I am a telecommuter myself in that OST mentors are scattered across several cities and each has responsibility for providing a place of work. My office is in a 2nd floor with wifi and as it happens has an actual physical python for me to take care of, a pet snake. The Python community (the community of Python users) is of course not just one community. Those who use it for web development, i.e. for coding websites, form a large pie slice, I will guess (a wild guess) they account for 50% of Python's vitality. The other 50% consists of academic and scientific establishments needing to glue together elaborate pipelines for data processing, such as the Hubble space telescope. They have an in-house language but are committed to making Python a tool of choice. I know because I taught the Hubble instrumentation people a few years back. They liked Python's scientific computing capabilities. It felt like a comfortable language to them. This 50%-50% description is of course a gross over-simplification but I just wanted to give you a clear idea of different subcultures within the user sphere. In conclusion, I encourage you to deepen your Python studies by choosing an area you may already care about or have some experience in and try to think of a Python angle i.e. what would a coder or team of coders contribute to this enterprise? Rather than speculate as to this other interest you might cultivate, I will leave it to you to write again and tell me more, should you wish to, of the sorts of topics that capture your attention. Do you want to work for large companies? Do you want to teach coding skills to others? Do you enjoy any particular kind of study? I enjoy marketing campaigns or PR campaigns i.e. ways to change the ecosystem of ideas. In that vein, I think about how to advertise Python as a language and have suggested and then started using the slogan 'Just Use It'. If you know about advertising, you might recognize the similarity with 'Just Do It', used by Nike. Google it if curious. The fun thing is: Nike and Python actually have a mythological connection in Greek Mythology, so my training as a philosophy student actually comes into play as well. I like working in areas that take best advantage of what I already know, while challenging me to learn new things at a rate I can handle. Kirby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 02:35:35 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:35:35 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] real advice to a real student (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Followup with same student, not from China but planning to go there: === Interesting observations, thank you. At OST we see ourselves as a school, even though in the .com domain. Given what you say about other schools not availing of these newer / better tools: that works to our advantage, but on the other hand we don't think the world should be run by dinosaurs. Sounds like you and I have similar goals in making a good case for Python. Regarding China and Chinese, a big open question around here is to what extent will Asian coders want to revert to native scripts e.g. Devanagari, now that Unicode allows source code in any language. In Python, your English skills would still matter given the 33 keywords, builtins, and standard library are English language (by dictator decree -- he's Dutch and English is not his native language, but he recognizes its utility for a global parlance). However your class, function and variable names may freely refer to the objects of your knowledge domain and experience and there I think the impulse would be to give up on using English. That's a likely long term trend: more source code in more languages (human languages). Kirby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lac at openend.se Thu Jan 15 11:00:31 2015 From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 11:00:31 +0100 Subject: [Edu-sig] real advice to a real student (comments welcome) In-Reply-To: Message from kirby urner of "Wed, 14 Jan 2015 17:35:35 -0800." References: Message-ID: <201501151000.t0FA0V9Z032417@fido.openend.se> Can you suggest your student watch this video? http://www.thersa.org/events/rsaanimate/animate/rsa-animate-drive It is Dan Pink's _The Surprising Truth About what Motivates Us_ After he or she has done so, I have this added bit. Turns out, in test after test after test, what people want in order to be happy with what they do is Autonomy, Mastery and Purpose. (It's also what you need to give them if you want them to do that job well.) I would add, not on Dan Pink's list, that the opportunity to work with interesting and good people also is a factor. This means that when you go out and consider what do I need to do or learn in order to have a job in IT, it is important to work something out so that you will end up doing something that you find worthwhile. Otherwise, you will just quit and find something else to do ... People who are about to study something are at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to making sure that they get autonomy, mastery and purpose. After all, by deciding to talk to Kirby you are demonstrating idependence and autonomy, and whenever you decide to learn something, like Python you are working on Mastery. The Purpose of 'I am going to transform myself into a Skilled Python programmer' handles the Purpose part rather well, and learning things on your own handles the autonomy part about as well as it can be done. With all these aspects being well handled, it is easy to fool yourself into thinking that all life as a Python programmer will work this way. But once you have done sufficient learning as to be able to get a job, it is quite possible to end up doing something that isn't autonomous (your boss rides you all the time about the work that needs doing), isn't challenging (we aren't paying you to learn around here, just to do things that you already know how to do) and thus doesn't increase your sense of mastery, and is fairly pointless (if I weren't getting paid to do this, I would never do anything like this at all). As Dan Pink mentions, the thing to do about money is to pay people well enough that it no longer becomes a motivating issue, because people who are paid far too little are always thinking about money and not about the job. Now, if you are in the position of being dependent on your parents for any money you receive, you may be deep in the land of 'not getting paid enough for your effort' because you are not getting paid at all. And, indeed, your life will be greatly improved once you start earning a decent wage .... But at this point the other factors start becoming the most important ones, and if you haven't understood this, you can end up in a pointless (but decently paying) job that doesn't allow you to grow, controls you and stresses you out. By understanding the problem you can make sure you do not end up there. Best of luck in life, whatever you choose to do -- Laura Creighton From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com Thu Jan 15 19:58:48 2015 From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe) Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 08:58:48 -1000 Subject: [Edu-sig] Last day to submit talks to Python Education Summit Message-ID: Today is the last day to submit talks proposals to the Python Education Summit to be held at PyCon this year. How do YOU teach Python/Programming? http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=211b44 Chalmer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But then immediately we have to ask: what's the difference (between religion and business -- both involve branding for example). In a way it's just our mental categories that get in the way. "We" (amorphous we) approach the world with messy namespaces. As I posted to a physics list recently: "The best religions are yet to come." > > > This saying pisses everyone off because: > > (a) half the people sing "Imagine there's no religion" and imagine they > know what they mean by that > > and > > (b) the other half can't imagine "new religions" in the pipeline, still > set to make their debut... > > ... but I assure you're they're there. > > A lot of religions come with excellent science. Belief in God? Not > always a feature. > Kirby @npym_it @thekirbster @psf_snake Python: Just Use It. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From david at handysoftware.com Sat Jan 17 16:14:52 2015 From: david at handysoftware.com (David Handy) Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 10:14:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Edu-sig] =?utf-8?q?real_advice_to_a_real_student_=28comments_wel?= =?utf-8?q?come=29?= In-Reply-To: References: <201501151000.t0FA0V9Z032417@fido.openend.se> Message-ID: <1421507692.324620777@apps.rackspace.com> On Friday, January 16, 2015 10:47pm, "kirby urner" said: > On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 2:00 AM, Laura Creighton wrote: > >> Can you suggest your student watch this video? >> http://www.thersa.org/events/rsaanimate/animate/rsa-animate-drive >> >> It is Dan Pink's _The Surprising Truth About what Motivates Us_ >> >> After he or she has done so, I have this added bit. >> >> > A very worthwhile read. I have continued corresponding with this student > and will share a link to this post. > > What's interesting in the cartoon / animation is where we start seeing > shafts of light and here people just wanna be good (at something). > > That looks a lot like the religion model i.e. religion better answers these > needs than businesses. I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that. As soon as the video started talking about trained professionals working 20-30 hours a week outside of their jobs, without pay, for a purpose, it reminded me of all my friends who are lay leaders in my church. These people are engineers, doctors, lawyers, pharmaceutical researchers, etc. and they put in 20+ hours per week in free service to others. Something powerful is motivating them. > > But then immediately we have to ask: what's the difference (between > religion and business -- both involve branding for example). > > In a way it's just our mental categories that get in the way. "We" > (amorphous we) approach the world with messy namespaces. We are all human beings with a lot in common. > > As I posted to a physics list recently: > > "The best religions are yet to come." >> >> >> This saying pisses everyone off because: >> >> (a) half the people sing "Imagine there's no religion" and imagine they >> know what they mean by that Thank you Kirby for having the courage to bring up the "R" word in this space, not as a curse word nor as an insult. I'm getting a bit tired of "that's a religious argument" being used as the ultimate put-down, meaning "that's an irrational argument". It gets old. >> >> and >> >> (b) the other half can't imagine "new religions" in the pipeline, still >> set to make their debut... As a committed Christian I am not offended by people who express religious beliefs different from mine, even if they are "new religions". Rather, I tend to empathize with, and understand, people who are sincere. >> >> ... but I assure you're they're there. >> >> A lot of religions come with excellent science. Belief in God? Not >> always a feature. A lot of great scientists (Newton, Mendel, Kelvin, etc.) were religious. Several of my friends in church are working scientists. Religion is not synonymous with irrationality. >> > > > Kirby > @npym_it > @thekirbster > @psf_snake > > > Python: Just Use It. > David H From jurgis.pralgauskis at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 08:51:49 2015 From: jurgis.pralgauskis at gmail.com (Jurgis Pralgauskis) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 09:51:49 +0200 Subject: [Edu-sig] Need resource for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <549EDE8B.4060505@fuentelibre.org> Message-ID: Sounds nice! :) And what were the most difficult parts for participants (where they were getting stuck mostly): Python syntax, turtle commands, geometry, ...? On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Tamim Shahriar wrote: > So, the workshop went fine yesterday. Let me give you a brief on what we > did. > > There were 30 computers in the lab and total 43 participants. Couple of > students brought their own laptop. The participants were all girls and they > study in grade 9, 10 and 11. > > We started at 9:30 AM. The computers had Linux mint and as most of them > were not familiar with Linux, we helped them to get familiar with it > throughout the day. The felt like hackers in English movies, when they were > entering various commands in the terminal. > > First one and half hour, we spent with hour of code (from code.org). I > also showed them a clip of Frozen movie, to give them idea from where the > snowflakes thing came from. Later I found that most of them already watched > the movie. > > Then we went for a break and had snacks. After the break, we did another > hour of code. But this time, it was with Python. They created a chat bot. > As we had Internet in every computer, we used this : > https://groklearning.com/hoc-2014/. > > Then we had lunch break. When we returned from the break, we worked with > the snowflakes thing again, but this time, with Python. We used this > resource : http://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/snowflake-turtle/. Then > they built different geometric shapes with turtle package. > > At 5:30 PM we announced closing. Then Bristy Sikder a former IOI bronze > medalist of Bangladesh who studies at MIT now, talked to them. It was > inspiring. We also answered lots of questions the girls asked throughout > the day. Then we had evening snacks. > > At 7:00 PM the closing ceremony was held. The girls were looking so happy > and excited. We had some guests to inspire them. > > I thank Code it, girl! to give me the opportunity to conduct the workshop. > Tahmid Rafi, Ashiqur Rahman Mushfiq and Rashedul Hasan Shoikat were there > with me as trainers in the workshop. The food was awesome and thanks to > Hafiza Khatun Memorial Trust for sponsoring. > > I also thank the group members of this group. Your shared resources were > useful. > > I am attaching some photos. > > > Regards, > Tamim. > -- Jurgis Pralgauskis tel: 8-616 77613; Don't worry, be happy and make things better ;) http://galvosukykla.lt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mamckenna at sch.ci.lexington.ma.us Tue Jan 20 12:00:22 2015 From: mamckenna at sch.ci.lexington.ma.us (Marianne McKenna) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 06:00:22 -0500 Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 138, Issue 23 Message-ID: I am away from the office. I will try to respond by email. If you need immediate help, please contact tech support. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tamim.shahriar at gmail.com Tue Jan 20 13:36:07 2015 From: tamim.shahriar at gmail.com (Tamim Shahriar) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 18:36:07 +0600 Subject: [Edu-sig] Need resource for beginners In-Reply-To: References: <549EDE8B.4060505@fuentelibre.org> Message-ID: Using the Linux command line and the part of coding where they needed to use loop was difficult for them. I found some of them confused with 'if-else' and 'loop'. We didn't explain those things in Python at first. When most of them got stuck, we explained conditional logic and loop in the white board. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Jurgis Pralgauskis < jurgis.pralgauskis at gmail.com> wrote: > Sounds nice! :) > > And what were the most difficult parts for participants (where they were > getting stuck mostly): > Python syntax, turtle commands, geometry, ...? > > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Tamim Shahriar > wrote: > >> So, the workshop went fine yesterday. Let me give you a brief on what we >> did. >> >> There were 30 computers in the lab and total 43 participants. Couple of >> students brought their own laptop. The participants were all girls and they >> study in grade 9, 10 and 11. >> >> We started at 9:30 AM. The computers had Linux mint and as most of them >> were not familiar with Linux, we helped them to get familiar with it >> throughout the day. The felt like hackers in English movies, when they were >> entering various commands in the terminal. >> >> First one and half hour, we spent with hour of code (from code.org). I >> also showed them a clip of Frozen movie, to give them idea from where the >> snowflakes thing came from. Later I found that most of them already watched >> the movie. >> >> Then we went for a break and had snacks. After the break, we did another >> hour of code. But this time, it was with Python. They created a chat bot. >> As we had Internet in every computer, we used this : >> https://groklearning.com/hoc-2014/. >> >> Then we had lunch break. When we returned from the break, we worked with >> the snowflakes thing again, but this time, with Python. We used this >> resource : http://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/snowflake-turtle/. Then >> they built different geometric shapes with turtle package. >> >> At 5:30 PM we announced closing. Then Bristy Sikder a former IOI bronze >> medalist of Bangladesh who studies at MIT now, talked to them. It was >> inspiring. We also answered lots of questions the girls asked throughout >> the day. Then we had evening snacks. >> >> At 7:00 PM the closing ceremony was held. The girls were looking so happy >> and excited. We had some guests to inspire them. >> >> I thank Code it, girl! to give me the opportunity to conduct the >> workshop. Tahmid Rafi, Ashiqur Rahman Mushfiq and Rashedul Hasan Shoikat >> were there with me as trainers in the workshop. The food was awesome and >> thanks to Hafiza Khatun Memorial Trust for sponsoring. >> >> I also thank the group members of this group. Your shared resources were >> useful. >> >> I am attaching some photos. >> >> >> Regards, >> Tamim. >> > > > > -- > Jurgis Pralgauskis > tel: 8-616 77613; > Don't worry, be happy and make things better ;) > http://galvosukykla.lt > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mamckenna at sch.ci.lexington.ma.us Wed Jan 21 12:00:29 2015 From: mamckenna at sch.ci.lexington.ma.us (Marianne McKenna) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 06:00:29 -0500 Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 138, Issue 24 Message-ID: I am away from the office. I will try to respond by email. If you need immediate help, please contact tech support. Thanks! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Its description reads as follows: === Starting from a simple program where a user's single guess is compared with a randomly generated number, more complex versions are created to become either standalone GUI or web applications. The order in which the proposed versions appear below does not have to be strictly followed; for example, GUI based version can be done before doing a version that saves results to a file or a database. 1. Single guess for a randomly generated number 2. Guessing game: multiple attempts to guess a number 2.a Reverse guessing game: make the computer guess your number 2.b Computer vs Computer 3. Multiple games 4. Saving game results to a file 5. Saving game results to a database 6. Simple GUI adaptation 7. Full GUI implementation 8. Simple web version using Python's standard library 9. Simple web version using third party libraries (e.g. Flask, bottle) 10. Guess the number: computer vs computer using multiprocessing === There is also a "meta" learning path inviting learners to write unittests for either their own version of programs or for solutions written by someone else. If you have some ideas about similar "learning paths", or have ideas for enhancing the existing learning path, or simply want to provide a solution to a given "challenge", please do not hesitate to do so. Feel free to use any or all of the material posted (licensed CC0) with your students. Andr? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kirby.urner at gmail.com Thu Jan 22 02:12:51 2015 From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner) Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 17:12:51 -0800 Subject: [Edu-sig] the lone star parameter Message-ID: Not every Pythonista knows of the lone star. Say you want some keyword arguments that have to be mentioned, but you would never allow them to be reached positionally. Or: it's fine if you don't mention them, but if you know they exist, you have powers. def game_boot_up(pos0, pos1, *, cheat = False): # define a function Now you can start it with: >>> game_boot_up(1, 2) # ignore the keyword parameter (it has a default) and all will be fine. You can't try to probe with an extra positional "just in case": >>> game_boot_up(1, 2, True) # anything? -- raises exception But if you know the secret key by name... >>> game_boot_up(1, 2, cheat = True) Caveat: Python tends to blab what the "secret param" is in the Traceback so this isn't really how to embed a secret cheat. The point is to understand the role of the lone star better, a relatively obscure corner of the language. If the params after the lone star don't have default values then the corresponding keyword arguments will be required. Keyword are arguments required and yet are not pre-committed to any defaults. Useful. Kirby -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ccosse at gmail.com Sun Jan 25 01:17:15 2015 From: ccosse at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Charles_Coss=C3=A9?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:17:15 -0700 Subject: [Edu-sig] (no subject) In-Reply-To: <54C299A1.7020705@fuentelibre.org> References: <54BA6B75.3010905@fuentelibre.org> <54C299A1.7020705@fuentelibre.org> Message-ID: Thanks for keeping this discussion alive, Sebastian. >There are plenty of "portal" and LMS and such web software around. What is the need for a new one? "You can lead a child to quality educational resources, but you can't make them care" -- *me* :) So, the credit-meter gets them to *care*. And not only *care*, but actually *ask* for more work ... math, science, geography, language, whatever ... they want internet access and it is suddenly in their interest to make an effort, regardless of material. I think that is the goal of any teacher, i.e. having students give a hoot about the material. Also, I think "caring" is a prerequisite to real learning and retention. In my experience this form of "caring", i.e. caring about earning credits, is enough. They don't have to love math, but after they are compelled to "care" in this way, they still come-away with the information and the skills. I think the following condensed overview is useful, and also *this new overview graphic *: > This project is about teaching kids, first and foremost. It became > web-based so I could create and assign lessons from my office. The > credit-meter is what I was forced to resort to in order to get their > attention. Soon I recognized the system's potential for any subject, and so > made it possible for others to contribute. But how to get others to > contribute? Money! I would have paid for this. Other parents probably > would, too, but there would be trust issues on both sides, parents and > developers. And it could be messy ... unless you let parent break-down and > distribute their subscription fees to the developers of their choice. Trust > issues solved, clear for take-off, next stop synergy! > >In other words, how to handle "internet credit" and access control and portal provider, etc? Well, the good news is that these have all been solved and the solutions are up-and-running. Portal provider ... I've got it running on a cloud server in San Jose, California. Subscription payments are handled through PayPal. Here is the new user procedure: 1. Goto autoteach.net/subscribe and purchase a subscription. You can also buy the router pieces from me, and a pre-loaded SD card, or you can download the SD image from Github and buy the R-Pi & other pieces (antenna, power supply, case, SD) elsewhere. If you buy from me I will just send a box of parts, else if I assemble it would require FCC certification etc. So I'll send an instructions page along with. Anyway, the PayPal process redirects you back to autoteach.net, which auto-instantiates your parent account and sends you an email with your AccountID (=username, password). 2. You can immediately login and play around, but that's not required. 3. Assemble your R-Pi and boot-up the first time. 4. Navigate to 192.168.66.1 and you will see a Setup screen. 5. Enter the AccountID from the email and push "Setup". 6. Your R-Pi will pull your account info from autoteach.net, including all accounts you have setup there and your router configuration (default if you haven't logged into autoteach.net yet.) At this point, if you have never yet logged-in to autoteach.net, then you've just sync'd with your lone parent account. The Username and Password for both your parent account online, as well as your parent account on the router, are all just = AccountID. AutoTeach.net is whitelisted by default, on the router, and the firewall is open by default as well. You can configure everything on the router-side, but my colleague convinced me to spend 180 days implementing this web-sync capability, so now the recommended procedure is to do everything at autoteach.net and push the "sync" button on the router. It is much easier like this, indeed. By default you can create one more parent account and 2 kid accounts. Then, you the parent can login to autoteach.net from anywhere over-the-net and create assignments and assign to whichever kid(s) you want. Your kids connect via the AutoTeach R-Pi router (at home) and visit autoteach.net (because it's whitelisted) ... they each have their own 2 accounts, one on the router, one on the autoteach.net site. When they login to autoteach.net they see their list of assignments and perform whatever they want, as per the way you have configured for them (i.e. repeatable, do this first, etc). Once complete, then they login to 192.168.66.1 (AutoTeach R-Pi router at home) and push "Transfer Credit" ... which transfers the credits they've earned from the online site to their account on the router. Then they push "Connect" on their account interface at the router, and this causes the router to open-up the firewall to their list of WiFi devices (XBox, laptop, phone, etc) ... and they have full access for all devices until credits run dry .. then back to the "credit-feeder" website (i.e. autoteach.net) to take another assignment and earn more credits. Really I assure you that it's more complicated in writing than actually doing it. I am gearing-up to make a couple short videos demonstrating all of the above. This is turning into a short book ... so I'll AutoSilence myself ... in a moment ... :) ... but lastly, let me just add that my *Kickstarter * campaign is launched and there are 18 routers left. It's being sold at cost, possibly less than cost (!) .. in an effort to seed the parent community. Also important to mention are the benefits of being web-based: No setup, no dependencies, platform-independent, always current, use from anywhere, parents can compel kids from work/office/beach, centralization and strength-in-numbers (ie. developers) I also think the platform can serve as a "glue" between parent-users and plugin-developers, without which the two communities just drift separately. Finally (I PROMISE): As a developer your open source application can be made available outside of AutoTeach. There's no lock-in or anything like that. It's just an additional revenue stream for you. I hope that I HAVE NOT answered all your questions, such that you and others will continue to keep this conversation alive!! If you've made it reading this far then thank you! Hope to hear from more people on edu-sig. Don't be shy ... Charles Coss? 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I was, in fact, responding to the following message from Sebastian Silva: from:Sebastian Silva to:Charles Coss? < ccosse at gmail.com> cc:"edu-sig at python.org" date:Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 11:57 AMsubject:Re: [Edu-sig] (no subject):Important mainly because of your interaction with messages in the conversation. But you appear to be correct because I don't see this message in the edu-sig archives, which is also why I had a 3x post last week, ie because they appeared to be not going through. Perhaps there is something wrong with the edu-sig mailman daemon? Anyway, I've read many of your posts over the years, and as a Python user, developer and serious advocate of 15 years I do believe I am in the right place to discuss a non-commercial, open source product with "Python" and "Education" written all over it. I'm no spammer and I've worked very hard for several years to make this project a reality. I hope that it can advance Python, Parents and Open Source Education Software, all. I'm sure there is a misunderstanding somewhere here, but it's hard to trace if messages are being deleted from the queue or whatever is going on. Let's see if this goes through ... Best Regards, Charles > On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Charles Coss? wrote: > >> Thanks for keeping this discussion alive, Sebastian. >> >> >There are plenty of "portal" and LMS and such web software around. What >> is the need for a new one? >> >> "You can lead a child to quality educational resources, but you can't >> make them care" -- *me* :) >> So, the credit-meter gets them to *care*. And not only *care*, but >> actually *ask* for more work ... math, science, geography, language, >> whatever ... they want internet access and it is suddenly in their interest >> to make an effort, regardless of material. I think that is the goal of any >> teacher, i.e. having students give a hoot about the material. >> >> Also, I think "caring" is a prerequisite to real learning and retention. >> In my experience this form of "caring", i.e. caring about earning credits, >> is enough. They don't have to love math, but after they are compelled to >> "care" in this way, they still come-away with the information and the >> skills. >> >> I think the following condensed overview is useful, and also *this new >> overview graphic >> * >> : >> >>> This project is about teaching kids, first and foremost. It became >>> web-based so I could create and assign lessons from my office. The >>> credit-meter is what I was forced to resort to in order to get their >>> attention. Soon I recognized the system's potential for any subject, and so >>> made it possible for others to contribute. But how to get others to >>> contribute? Money! I would have paid for this. Other parents probably >>> would, too, but there would be trust issues on both sides, parents and >>> developers. And it could be messy ... unless you let parent break-down and >>> distribute their subscription fees to the developers of their choice. Trust >>> issues solved, clear for take-off, next stop synergy! >>> >> >> >In other words, how to handle "internet credit" and access control and >> portal provider, etc? >> >> Well, the good news is that these have all been solved and the solutions >> are up-and-running. Portal provider ... I've got it running on a cloud >> server in San Jose, California. Subscription payments are handled through >> PayPal. >> >> Here is the new user procedure: >> 1. Goto autoteach.net/subscribe and purchase a subscription. You can >> also buy the router pieces from me, and a pre-loaded SD card, or you can >> download the SD image from Github and buy the R-Pi & other pieces (antenna, >> power supply, case, SD) elsewhere. If you buy from me I will just send a >> box of parts, else if I assemble it would require FCC certification etc. >> So I'll send an instructions page along with. Anyway, the PayPal process >> redirects you back to autoteach.net, which auto-instantiates your parent >> account and sends you an email with your AccountID (=username, password). >> >> 2. You can immediately login and play around, but that's not required. >> >> 3. Assemble your R-Pi and boot-up the first time. >> >> 4. Navigate to 192.168.66.1 and you will see a Setup screen. >> >> 5. Enter the AccountID from the email and push "Setup". >> >> 6. Your R-Pi will pull your account info from autoteach.net, including >> all accounts you have setup there and your router configuration (default if >> you haven't logged into autoteach.net yet.) >> >> At this point, if you have never yet logged-in to autoteach.net, then >> you've just sync'd with your lone parent account. The Username and >> Password for both your parent account online, as well as your parent >> account on the router, are all just = AccountID. AutoTeach.net is >> whitelisted by default, on the router, and the firewall is open by default >> as well. >> >> You can configure everything on the router-side, but my colleague >> convinced me to spend 180 days implementing this web-sync capability, so >> now the recommended procedure is to do everything at autoteach.net and >> push the "sync" button on the router. It is much easier like this, indeed. >> >> By default you can create one more parent account and 2 kid accounts. >> >> Then, you the parent can login to autoteach.net from anywhere >> over-the-net and create assignments and assign to whichever kid(s) you want. >> >> Your kids connect via the AutoTeach R-Pi router (at home) and visit >> autoteach.net (because it's whitelisted) ... they each have their own 2 >> accounts, one on the router, one on the autoteach.net site. When they >> login to autoteach.net they see their list of assignments and perform >> whatever they want, as per the way you have configured for them (i.e. >> repeatable, do this first, etc). >> >> Once complete, then they login to 192.168.66.1 (AutoTeach R-Pi router at >> home) and push "Transfer Credit" ... which transfers the credits they've >> earned from the online site to their account on the router. Then they push >> "Connect" on their account interface at the router, and this causes the >> router to open-up the firewall to their list of WiFi devices (XBox, laptop, >> phone, etc) ... and they have full access for all devices until credits run >> dry .. then back to the "credit-feeder" website (i.e. autoteach.net) to >> take another assignment and earn more credits. >> >> Really I assure you that it's more complicated in writing than actually >> doing it. I am gearing-up to make a couple short videos demonstrating all >> of the above. >> >> This is turning into a short book ... so I'll AutoSilence myself ... in a >> moment ... :) ... but lastly, let me just add that my *Kickstarter >> * campaign is >> launched and there are 18 routers left. It's being sold at cost, possibly >> less than cost (!) .. in an effort to seed the parent community. >> >> Also important to mention are the benefits of being web-based: No setup, >> no dependencies, platform-independent, always current, use from anywhere, >> parents can compel kids from work/office/beach, centralization and >> strength-in-numbers (ie. developers) >> >> I also think the platform can serve as a "glue" between parent-users and >> plugin-developers, without which the two communities just drift separately. >> >> Finally (I PROMISE): As a developer your open source application can be >> made available outside of AutoTeach. There's no lock-in or anything like >> that. It's just an additional revenue stream for you. >> >> I hope that I HAVE NOT answered all your questions, such that you and >> others will continue to keep this conversation alive!! If you've made it >> reading this far then thank you! Hope to hear from more people on >> edu-sig. Don't be shy ... >> >> Charles Coss? >> Asymptopia Software >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Edu-sig mailing list >> Edu-sig at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If you look in the mail archive, you will see that your posts have gone through. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/2015-January/author.html 2. If you do check, you will also see that the message you were replying to did NOT make it to the list. Including the list in a reply from a personal individual, and including a whole bunch of information about a commercial product in that message, is spam in my books, which is why I wrote you a PRIVATE 3. I wrote a message directly to you to address this fact, and do not appreciate you sending a reply to the entire list in return. If you need to reply to me, please do so privately in the future. Andr? Roberge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Secondly, my "product" is not anything but a commercial product. Please contact me offline if you need further assistance understanding the concept. Thirdly: You have chosen to omit reference to Sebastian's email sent directly to yourself , myself, as well as edu-sig (again!), in which he already corrected your characterization of my project as SPAM. And since his message did not make it to edu-sig, here it is again: ----------------8<-------------- from:Sebastian Silva to:Charles Coss? < ccosse at gmail.com>, Andre Roberge , "edu-sig at python.org" date:Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:28 PMsubject:Re: Fwd: [Edu-sig] (no subject):Important mainly because of your interaction with messages in the conversation. On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 6:28 PM, Sebastian Silva wrote: Edu-sig sometimes doesn't let my messages go thru, frankly I think there is no mantainer or something. I've written about it to -owner but got no response. I don't think Charles's project is SPAM at all. I'm a pretty interested developer and parent. Regards, Sebastian ----------------8<-------------- Again, I have no interest in hostilities. My project is NOT COMMERCIAL and my post is not SPAM. It is intended to advance the state of open source education software in a constructive, transparent, open and absolutely *non-commercial* way. My apologies to edu-sig for these non-constructive digressions. Charles Coss? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: