[Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 160, Issue 9

Mon Nov 28 13:52:51 EST 2016

Thank you for providing links to all these resources! It's great to get the
reference pages for JS and Python for the students I'm teaching.

Peter Farrell
Jobtrain
Menlo Park, CA

On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 5:55 PM, <edu-sig-request at python.org> wrote:

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>    1. continuing with ES6 / Python comparison, other chatter
>       (kirby urner)
>    2. Re: continuing with ES6 / Python comparison, other chatter
>       (Wes Turner)
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> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 17:32:46 -0800
> From: kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>
> To: "edu-sig at python.org" <edu-sig at python.org>
> Subject: [Edu-sig] continuing with ES6 / Python comparison, other
>         chatter
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> I just had shared "sushi train" (conveyor belt actually) with
> a an IT chief with Everett School District, far north of here,
> during which we discussed whether or not listservs (such
> as edu-sig here) are on the decline across the board, having
> been replaced with other social media by next generations
> of Internet savvy.  Do we know that for sure?
>
> For my part, I'm sure it depends on the subculture.  I'm on
> a very active listserv around csound, the music synth
> language and engine, several posts a day. I'm sure sci.math
> is as frantic as ever.
>
> nbviewer seems to time out quite a bit and I don't think it's
> just me. Does the site get overloaded?
>
> I'm somewhat more likely than not to link directly to the
> Github version i.e. the raw source, as here:
>
> https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/Comparing%20JavaScript%
> 20with%20Python.ipynb
>
> Shortened: https://goo.gl/jUqIwA
>
> ...versus feeding the latter through nbviewer.  However
> the latter does a more thorough job in many cases, so
> I find it's worth it when it works.
>
> The above Notebook was just now lengthened with a
> new comparison of ES6 and Python3 function calls.
>
> Question: will nbviewer accept a shortened URL as
> input?
>
> Answer: no, but you're free to shorten the "nbviewer
> + Github URL" combo naturally:  https://goo.gl/HtM0NR
>
> Did you know ES6 is the first edition of JavaScript
> wherein what we Pythonistas call default named
> parameters and sequence parameters were first
> acquired?
>
> In the above Notebook I extend to another example
> showing these features in both, comparing two recipe()
> functions.
>
> One could say Python has two "rest parameters", one
> for "positionals," the others for "named".
>
> Perhaps in Python "keyword parameter" is a little more
> correct than "named parameter" as the latter implies
> use of = (naming) to give a default value, whereas
> as shown in the example, one may have unnamed
> parameters to the right of a sequence parameter,
> that as a consequence are only reachable with
> named arguments.
>
> Les (the above IT chief), is very familiar with the
> Chromebook scene around public schooling in the
> state just north of Oregon. I'm likely to venture into
> that space pretty soon, as a Portland-based trainer.
>
> This will be a day job so I'm hopeful I'll be continuing
> with the evening gig as "radio show" broadcaster
> (a zoom.us-based tele-class).
>
> Speaking of which, I've been dropping in on some
> of Trey Hunners chat sessions after the fact (I've
> yet to make it to a live showing).  I learned quite
> a bit about duck typing in connection abc types
> such as Sequence, thanks to this video:
>
> https://www.crowdcast.io/e/duck-typing
> <http://treyhunner.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=
> cdbc9ae7bf54c3dff2773ea2d&id=377dc1d5ad&e=16760d8b0b>
>
> I'm guessing more people learn about such free
> resources from Twitterverse than from listservs these
> days, but I don't have hard data.
>
> I wonder if Python.org keeps any stats on gross
> subscriber numbers, posting rates etc. within its
> vast Mailman empire:
>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> Kirby
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> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2016 19:55:44 -0600
> From: Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com>
> To: kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>
> Cc: "edu-sig at python.org" <edu-sig at python.org>
> Subject: Re: [Edu-sig] continuing with ES6 / Python comparison, other
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> These are probably good for comparison:
>
> - https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/javascript/
> - https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/python/
> - https://learnxinyminutes.com/docs/python3/
>
> ECMAScript / Javascript
>
> - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECMAScript
>   - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JavaScript
>   - ES6
>
> ES6 (ES2015 (ECMAScript 2015))
>
> - Standard: http://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/6.0/
>   -
> http://www.ecma-international.org/ecma-262/6.0/#sec-
> additions-and-changes-that-introduce-incompatibilities-with-prior-editions
>
> - http://es6-features.org
> - https://github.com/lukehoban/es6features
>
> - https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/
> - http://caniuse.com/#feat=es6-class
>
> - https://github.com/babel/babel-standalone
>
>
> On Saturday, November 26, 2016, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > I just had shared "sushi train" (conveyor belt actually) with
> > a an IT chief with Everett School District, far north of here,
> > during which we discussed whether or not listservs (such
> > as edu-sig here) are on the decline across the board, having
> > been replaced with other social media by next generations
> > of Internet savvy.  Do we know that for sure?
> >
> > For my part, I'm sure it depends on the subculture.  I'm on
> > a very active listserv around csound, the music synth
> > language and engine, several posts a day. I'm sure sci.math
> > is as frantic as ever.
> >
> > nbviewer seems to time out quite a bit and I don't think it's
> > just me. Does the site get overloaded?
> >
> > I'm somewhat more likely than not to link directly to the
> > Github version i.e. the raw source, as here:
> >
> > https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/
> master/Comparing%20JavaScript%
> > 20with%20Python.ipynb
> >
> > Shortened: https://goo.gl/jUqIwA
> >
> > ...versus feeding the latter through nbviewer.  However
> > the latter does a more thorough job in many cases, so
> > I find it's worth it when it works.
> >
> > The above Notebook was just now lengthened with a
> > new comparison of ES6 and Python3 function calls.
> >
> > Question: will nbviewer accept a shortened URL as
> > input?
> >
> > Answer: no, but you're free to shorten the "nbviewer
> > + Github URL" combo naturally:  https://goo.gl/HtM0NR
> >
> > Did you know ES6 is the first edition of JavaScript
> > wherein what we Pythonistas call default named
> > parameters and sequence parameters were first
> > acquired?
> >
> > In the above Notebook I extend to another example
> > showing these features in both, comparing two recipe()
> > functions.
> >
> > One could say Python has two "rest parameters", one
> > for "positionals," the others for "named".
> >
> > Perhaps in Python "keyword parameter" is a little more
> > correct than "named parameter" as the latter implies
> > use of = (naming) to give a default value, whereas
> > as shown in the example, one may have unnamed
> > parameters to the right of a sequence parameter,
> > that as a consequence are only reachable with
> > named arguments.
> >
> > Les (the above IT chief), is very familiar with the
> > Chromebook scene around public schooling in the
> > state just north of Oregon. I'm likely to venture into
> > that space pretty soon, as a Portland-based trainer.
> >
> > This will be a day job so I'm hopeful I'll be continuing
> > with the evening gig as "radio show" broadcaster
> > (a zoom.us-based tele-class).
> >
> > Speaking of which, I've been dropping in on some
> > of Trey Hunners chat sessions after the fact (I've
> > yet to make it to a live showing).  I learned quite
> > a bit about duck typing in connection abc types
> > such as Sequence, thanks to this video:
> >
> > https://www.crowdcast.io/e/duck-typing
> > <http://treyhunner.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=
> cdbc9ae7bf54c3dff2773ea2d&id=377dc1d5ad&e=16760d8b0b>
> >
> > I'm guessing more people learn about such free
> > resources from Twitterverse than from listservs these
> > days, but I don't have hard data.
> >
> > I wonder if Python.org keeps any stats on gross
> > subscriber numbers, posting rates etc. within its
> > vast Mailman empire:
> >
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo
> >
> > Kirby
> >
> >
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