From jeff at elkner.net  Thu May 10 17:15:28 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 17:15:28 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel on
 freenode?
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Dear edu-sig friends,

We had an interesting discussion at the Education Summit today at
Pycon about ways to better engage folks between Pycons.

As a public school teacher, I have a particular interest in python in
k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
I am considering setting up an irc channel on freenode (#python-k12 ?)

Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?

Jeff Elkner

Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
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From calcpage at aol.com  Thu May 10 18:06:20 2018
From: calcpage at aol.com (A Jorge Garcia)
Date: Thu, 10 May 2018 18:06:20 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
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How about a Twitter hashtag?

?Sent from BlueMail ?

On May 10, 2018, 5:21 PM, at 5:21 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>Dear edu-sig friends,
>
>We had an interesting discussion at the Education Summit today at
>Pycon about ways to better engage folks between Pycons.
>
>As a public school teacher, I have a particular interest in python in
>k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
>I am considering setting up an irc channel on freenode (#python-k12 ?)
>
>Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?
>
>Jeff Elkner
>
>Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Fri May 11 12:38:03 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 09:38:03 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
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>>  Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?

I'm game.

Wondering if irc has a good Android app front end these days.  Oh yeah,
tons.

Limechat is free client on Mac.

Lotta folks using #Slack these days which allows embedding pix, going back
to edit posts.

But maybe need free and open enuff, philosophically less apropos?

#Slack is free (as in beer) but not open (as in free).

edu-sig / mail-list format good for pondering out loud though.

I always encourage more public archiving of state of the art thinking.

I think of chat as more for real time quick back and forth, which is good,
but not for white papers and policy writing, or lengthy rants. :-D

Kirby



On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:15 PM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> Dear edu-sig friends,
>
> We had an interesting discussion at the Education Summit today at
> Pycon about ways to better engage folks between Pycons.
>
> As a public school teacher, I have a particular interest in python in
> k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
> I am considering setting up an irc channel on freenode (#python-k12 ?)
>
> Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?
>
> Jeff Elkner
>
> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Fri May 11 22:47:55 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 19:47:55 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] recent wheel spinning... (spatial geom)
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3Qbc-VwphnaSFBGkz5K_zCodRNOxzRMB47y8GnWa3-aAA@mail.gmail.com>

Apologies in advance for my ramblings.  Something here might be of interest
to anonymous readers...

Last night and today were all about dusting off old skills and using Python
in a Jupyter Notebook to showcase renderings by the free raytracer POV-Ray (
povray.org).  The topic is pure geometry, no fancy textures required.

In the meantime I'm looking at both Rhino (proprietary) and Blender (open
source), partly because C6XTY / Flextegrity wants to get itself into the
hands of more software engineers and partly because Coding with Kids is
looking at teaching more 2D / 3D graphics (partially covered in the current
suite of tools, but room for growth).

These are both CAD programs for doing 3D animations and renderings, both
with Python APIs.

I learned from my teaching job with kids that even Chromebooks have access
to some kind of Blender in the cloud.  Didn't know that until last week.
This kid sounds like one of our students:  https://youtu.be/JlydssSG5Iw

Here's the Jupyter Notebook in question.  The only dependency is qrays.py
in the same Github repo [and of course povray if the goal is to do
renderings].

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/Generating%20the%20FCC.ipynb

Zooming out:  what I think might interest high schoolers, just learning
about XYZ, spherical coordinates and so on, is some exposure to these
arcane alien esoteric "quadray coordinates" that use 4-tuples instead of
3-tuples to map points in space (no negative numbers required).  I've got
lots of material on 'em but don't claim credit for inventing them (more a
popularizer, implemented 'em in Python and Clojure, Tom Ace in C++).

http://mathforum.org/library/view/6236.html

What's appealing is they're conceptually accessible, not hard to grok, yet
there's so much room for original research.  Clearly four spokes divide
space into four quadrants and any point is reachable by adding up to three
(stretched or shrunk -- but not reversed) per the usual vector scaling and
addition operations.

The centers of all balls in what we call the FCC or CCP packing (core in
crystallography), starting with a nuclear sphere then 1, 12, 42, 92...
balls packing outward in shells (see OEIS [1]) may be given all-integer
4-tuple coordinates using qrays.

Example (these are the 12 ball centers around a nuclear center, at the
corners of a cuboctahedron with origin at (0,0,0,0) (note: ivm_vector is
same thing as qray, of namedtuple type in collections library).

{ivm_vector(a=0, b=1, c=1, d=2),
 ivm_vector(a=1, b=2, c=0, d=1),
 ivm_vector(a=0, b=1, c=2, d=1),
 ivm_vector(a=0, b=2, c=1, d=1),
 ivm_vector(a=2, b=1, c=0, d=1),
 ivm_vector(a=1, b=2, c=1, d=0),
 ivm_vector(a=1, b=1, c=2, d=0),
 ivm_vector(a=2, b=1, c=1, d=0),
 ivm_vector(a=1, b=0, c=2, d=1),
 ivm_vector(a=2, b=0, c=1, d=1),
 ivm_vector(a=1, b=0, c=1, d=2),
 ivm_vector(a=1, b=1, c=0, d=2)}

Today I realized that to add Qrays to a set, they'd need to be (a) hashable
and (b) usable with == i.e. __eq__ would need to have meaning. Without
__eq__, every instance was being seen as unique.  That add to the set OK,
but dupes were not thrown out. They'd hash, but not on the 4-tuple content,
what __eq__ now provides.  Here's that code fragment:


    def __eq__(self, other):
        return self.coords == other.coords

    def __hash__(self):
        return hash(self.coords)

Most recent qrays (there's an ordinary XYZ vector type too -- and the means
to go back and forth):

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/qrays.py
(I keep updating this, like I notice I need to update the comments to say I
updated the file just today)

The algorithm for getting successive layers of balls (1, 12, 42, 92...) is
to add all 12 balls around every ball in shell N, but then discard (simply
by using the set object for storage) all those balls already in shell N or
shell N-1, generating only balls in shell N+1.


nucleus = {qrays.Qvector((0,0,0,0))}

layer1 = tuple(map(qrays.Qvector,
         ((0, 1, 1, 2), (1, 0, 1, 2),
          (2, 0, 1, 1), (0, 2, 1, 1),
          (0, 1, 2, 1), (1, 2, 1, 0),
          (1, 1, 2, 0), (2, 1, 1, 0),
          (1, 0, 2, 1), (1, 2, 0, 1),
          (2, 1, 0, 1), (1, 1, 0, 2))))

def next_layer(curr_layer, prev_layer):
    next_layer = set()
    for qv in curr_layer:
        for bv in layer1:
            v_sum = qv + bv
            if (not v_sum in curr_layer
                and not v_sum in prev_layer):
                next_layer.add(v_sum)
    return next_layer

nl   = next_layer(nucleus, nucleus) # 1-freq
nnl  = next_layer(nl, nucleus)      # 2-freq
nnnl = next_layer(nnl, nl)          # 3-freq
print("Number of balls in successive layers:")
print(len(nl))
print(len(nnl))
print(len(nnnl))


If you click on the Notebook you'll see what I mean by "shells".  More here:

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/STEM%20Mathematics.ipynb

Anyway, quadrays or "caltrop coordinates" are pretty freaky and I think
help XYZers better appreciate what the orthodoxy is.  When you've seen
something alien, you better appreciate the status quo.

I took C6XTY out to Saturday Academy on the campus of University of
Portland [2], to see Rhino and Jupyter Notebooks running on Windows7.
Jupyter Notebooks at least is something to have on your resume if thinking
about college.  It's about working with way more than just Python.  I think
I posted those recent articles already.

Kirby

[1]   http://oeis.org/A005901
(my name under links, still trying to make it viral)

[2]   C6XTY @ sa: this Thursday:
https://flic.kr/p/HnGeut

(sa: is where I've taught Martian Math before)
http://www.4dsolutions.net/satacad/martianmath/toc.html
http://wikieducator.org/Martian_Math
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From jeff at elkner.net  Sat May 12 11:28:49 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 11:28:49 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Dear Education Pythonistas,

I'd like to suggest two useful metrics for measuring the effectiveness of our list:
1. Variety of posters.
2. Number of conversations.

Our Community Code of Conduct commits us to conducting ourselves in a welcoming and respectful way, and what better measure of how well we are doing than the diversity of different folks who post on this list?

If Edu-sig is about building and nurturing our python in education community, what better way to measure how well we are doing than by the number of posts that turn into conversational threads?

I occasionally receive emails from teachers asking about good resources for teaching CS with Python.  This year I am going to try asking them to join this mailing list and to post their question on it, and commit to providing the best response I can here.

Jeff Elkner

Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat May 12 13:13:31 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 10:13:31 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Yeah, what's education without metrics for success.

On that theme, how about the edu-sig home page @ Python.org, what might we
do with it?

I wrote an initial version in the distant past, then Andre took over and
made it better.  The entire website got a new look.

However, more years have flown by and there's no mention of Jupyter
Notebooks, and some of the links e.g. pykata, are broken.

Why not mention codesters.com for example?  Lots of other interesting stuff.

I don't have the keys to that web page myself but we could encourage a
thread for whomever gets them or has them.

I find Jupyter Notebooks to be a really excellent tool for high school and
even middle school access to Python.

The mix of coding, and writing a paper, with pictures and links, is just
right.

Embedded graphs make it the perfect Algebra 2 environment.

Add Sympy and a little LaTeX and you've got calculus.

Kirby


On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> Dear Education Pythonistas,
>
> I'd like to suggest two useful metrics for measuring the effectiveness of
> our list:
> 1. Variety of posters.
> 2. Number of conversations.
>
> Our Community Code of Conduct commits us to conducting ourselves in a
> welcoming and respectful way, and what better measure of how well we are
> doing than the diversity of different folks who post on this list?
>
> If Edu-sig is about building and nurturing our python in education
> community, what better way to measure how well we are doing than by the
> number of posts that turn into conversational threads?
>
> I occasionally receive emails from teachers asking about good resources
> for teaching CS with Python.  This year I am going to try asking them to
> join this mailing list and to post their question on it, and commit to
> providing the best response I can here.
>
> Jeff Elkner
>
> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
>
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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Sat May 12 15:35:23 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 15:35:23 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Personally, I recommend the Rosalind exercises because they're
multidisciplinary and they teach algorithms of the natural world:

http://rosalind.info/problems/locations/

A "How to ``conda install jupyterlab nbgrader``" would be a great onramp to
working Python into #k12cs and beyond.

On Saturday, May 12, 2018, Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com> wrote:

> - [ ] We should add a link to the edu-sig mailing list to the
> awesome-python-in-education README:
>
> https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education
>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/
>
> https://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Dorg.python#query:%
> 20list%3Aorg.python.edu-sig (variety, count)
>
> - [ ] We should choose a hashtag.
>   - There's a project named #edupy; they might not mind
>   - (other ideas welcome)
>
> - [ ] We should cc the list admin to get this list upgraded to mailman3
> (with a footer link to just the mailing list post please) so that we have
> searchable archives.
>
> - [ ] We should have some stats regarding the unbelievable growth in
> Python for education in a page that we can reference
>
> On Saturday, May 12, 2018, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Education Pythonistas,
>>
>> I'd like to suggest two useful metrics for measuring the effectiveness of
>> our list:
>> 1. Variety of posters.
>> 2. Number of conversations.
>>
>> Our Community Code of Conduct commits us to conducting ourselves in a
>> welcoming and respectful way, and what better measure of how well we are
>> doing than the diversity of different folks who post on this list?
>>
>> If Edu-sig is about building and nurturing our python in education
>> community, what better way to measure how well we are doing than by the
>> number of posts that turn into conversational threads?
>>
>> I occasionally receive emails from teachers asking about good resources
>> for teaching CS with Python.  This year I am going to try asking them to
>> join this mailing list and to post their question on it, and commit to
>> providing the best response I can here.
>>
>> Jeff Elkner
>>
>> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>>
>>
>>
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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Sat May 12 15:30:33 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 15:30:33 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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- [ ] We should add a link to the edu-sig mailing list to the
awesome-python-in-education README:

https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education

https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig

https://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/

https://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Dorg.python#query:%20list%3Aorg.python.edu-sig
(variety, count)

- [ ] We should choose a hashtag.
  - There's a project named #edupy; they might not mind
  - (other ideas welcome)

- [ ] We should cc the list admin to get this list upgraded to mailman3
(with a footer link to just the mailing list post please) so that we have
searchable archives.

- [ ] We should have some stats regarding the unbelievable growth in Python
for education in a page that we can reference

On Saturday, May 12, 2018, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> Dear Education Pythonistas,
>
> I'd like to suggest two useful metrics for measuring the effectiveness of
> our list:
> 1. Variety of posters.
> 2. Number of conversations.
>
> Our Community Code of Conduct commits us to conducting ourselves in a
> welcoming and respectful way, and what better measure of how well we are
> doing than the diversity of different folks who post on this list?
>
> If Edu-sig is about building and nurturing our python in education
> community, what better way to measure how well we are doing than by the
> number of posts that turn into conversational threads?
>
> I occasionally receive emails from teachers asking about good resources
> for teaching CS with Python.  This year I am going to try asking them to
> join this mailing list and to post their question on it, and commit to
> providing the best response I can here.
>
> Jeff Elkner
>
> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>
>
>
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From jeff at elkner.net  Sat May 12 16:01:49 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 16:01:49 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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The first task is already complete, Wes, the mailing list is already listed in the awesome-ython-in-education README.

btw.  I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big Ideas in Programming on Monday.  I'm remixing to make the text more compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.

I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
The git repo is here:
https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP

Jeff

Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!

??????? Original Message ???????
On May 12, 2018 3:30 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com> wrote:

> - [ ] We should add a link to the edu-sig mailing list to the awesome-python-in-education README:
>
> https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education
>
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>
> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/edu-sig/
>
> https://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Dorg.python#query:%20list%3Aorg.python.edu-sig (variety, count)
>
> - [ ] We should choose a hashtag.
>   - There's a project named #edupy; they might not mind
>   - (other ideas welcome)
>
> - [ ] We should cc the list admin to get this list upgraded to mailman3 (with a footer link to just the mailing list post please) so that we have searchable archives.
>
> - [ ] We should have some stats regarding the unbelievable growth in Python for education in a page that we can reference
>
> On Saturday, May 12, 2018, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>
>> Dear Education Pythonistas,
>>
>> I'd like to suggest two useful metrics for measuring the effectiveness of our list:
>> 1. Variety of posters.
>> 2. Number of conversations.
>>
>> Our Community Code of Conduct commits us to conducting ourselves in a welcoming and respectful way, and what better measure of how well we are doing than the diversity of different folks who post on this list?
>>
>> If Edu-sig is about building and nurturing our python in education community, what better way to measure how well we are doing than by the number of posts that turn into conversational threads?
>>
>> I occasionally receive emails from teachers asking about good resources for teaching CS with Python.  This year I am going to try asking them to join this mailing list and to post their question on it, and commit to providing the best response I can here.
>>
>> Jeff Elkner
>>
>> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat May 12 17:25:35 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 14:25:35 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] recent wheel spinning... (spatial geom)
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>
>
>
> [2]   C6XTY @ sa: this Thursday:
> https://flic.kr/p/HnGeut
>
> (sa: is where I've taught Martian Math before)
> http://www.4dsolutions.net/satacad/martianmath/toc.html
> http://wikieducator.org/Martian_Math
>
>

?In this post I'm merging two threads:

(i) introduce some of the high end 3rd party stuff early e.g. science stack
numpy and pandas

(ii) segue a geometry that requires some rethinking of familiar orthodoxies.

Example:


pd.options.display.float_format = '{:,.3f}'.format
data = pd.DataFrame(vectors, columns = index)
print(data)
Vtype    ivm                      xyz
Coords     a     b     c     d      x      y      z
0      0.000 1.000 1.000 2.000  0.000 -0.707 -0.707
1      1.000 0.000 1.000 2.000  0.707  0.000 -0.707
2      2.000 0.000 1.000 1.000  0.707  0.707  0.000
3      0.000 2.000 1.000 1.000 -0.707 -0.707  0.000
4      0.000 1.000 2.000 1.000 -0.707  0.000 -0.707
5      1.000 2.000 1.000 0.000 -0.707  0.000  0.707
6      1.000 1.000 2.000 0.000 -0.707  0.707  0.000
7      2.000 1.000 1.000 0.000  0.000  0.707  0.707
8      1.000 0.000 2.000 1.000  0.000  0.707 -0.707
9      1.000 2.000 0.000 1.000  0.000 -0.707  0.707
10     2.000 1.000 0.000 1.000  0.707  0.000  0.707
11     1.000 1.000 0.000 2.000  0.707 -0.707  0.000

?
Getting such multi-indexing requires such as:


arrays = [['ivm', 'ivm', 'ivm', 'ivm', 'xyz', 'xyz', 'xyz'],
          ['a', 'b', 'c', 'd', 'x', 'y', 'z',]]

tuples = list(zip(*arrays))
index = pd.MultiIndex.from_tuples(tuples, names=['Vtype', 'Coords'])

Call it business math if you like, micro-management of data tables via some
command line interface.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Beginning..._Was_the_Command_Line

That's using the multi-indexing phenomenon (object) the pandas dataframes
provide.

Above, I'm showing vectors in two notations, side by side, with a link to
their colorful depictions, in terms of ball packings, at this still
improving Jupyter Notebook:

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/Generating%20the%20FCC.ipynb

Next challenge is to segment the dataframe vertically, into nucleus (1)
plus successive layers (12, 42, 92...).

Kirby
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From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com  Sat May 12 23:17:54 2018
From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 23:17:54 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Edu-sig Digest, Vol 177, Issue 1
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at jeff elkner:

0) saw your brother today. woot.
1) re: freenode... setting IRC to reach a public teacher audience feels
like one extra layer of tech/learning curve that they have overcome to get
to the content. my two cents.


Chalmer Lowe, MS

President, Dark Art of Coding
http://darkartofcoding.com/

Chairman, Python Education Summit
https://us.pycon.org/2015/events/edusummit/



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> k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
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From chalmer.lowe at gmail.com  Sat May 12 23:19:08 2018
From: chalmer.lowe at gmail.com (Chalmer Lowe)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 23:19:08 -0400
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Good call, Jeff!

Chalmer Lowe, MS

President, Dark Art of Coding
http://darkartofcoding.com/

Chairman, Python Education Summit
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> Dear Education Pythonistas,
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> I'd like to suggest two useful metrics for measuring the effectiveness of
> our list:
> 1. Variety of posters.
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>
> Our Community Code of Conduct commits us to conducting ourselves in a
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> If Edu-sig is about building and nurturing our python in education
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> number of posts that turn into conversational threads?
>
> I occasionally receive emails from teachers asking about good resources
> for teaching CS with Python.  This year I am going to try asking them to
> join this mailing list and to post their question on it, and commit to
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>
> Jeff Elkner
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From jeff at elkner.net  Sun May 13 07:16:35 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 07:16:35 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
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To which irc channel are you referring, Sebastian?  I didn't know there was one?

Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!

??????? Original Message ???????
On May 12, 2018 10:40 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm in! Actually I've been at that IRC channel for the past couple of days and haven't seen anyone come by.
>
> I'm not very active chatting but it's nice to have a place open for discussion. One difficulty with IRC is that people don't stick around for answers and it doesn't preserve history by default. I've found that Matrix.Org has bridges to IRC and accommodates bridges to other chat systems people might want. Riot.im is a nice libre client with history - and there are others.
>
> I've activated the IRC bridge to Riot.im -
>
> My project is developing tools and materials for young people to learn to code. I aim to have a full course and do workshops with local indigenous amazonian groups and other vulnerable groups. So I exclusively promote libre software. Also I'm dogfooding, i.e. my unschooled children (4 and 7) are learning with our method and are really into it.
>
> Often I see educational material very anglo centric so I'm writing my tutorials in Spanish. It would be nice to collaborate with others as I go along (I do a lot of tooling). I am part of a network of workshop teachers ("Python Joven") that started in Uruguay since 2012, we did one in Colombia in 2014 and now we're looking to continue this work.
>
> I've recently gained write access to the Python wiki, we should also add some information there. Would [PythonInEducation](https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInEducation) be a good place to document joint efforts? I've embedded that wikipage in the Riot.Im channel (optional).
>
> Please start using #python-k12:matrix.org with your Riot.im / Matrix.Org client or with plain IRC Freenode, #python-k12 !
>
> I'm glad to help with some tooling for collaboration. But only if we stay in the libre camp, if that's fair with you!
>
> Regards,
> Sebastian
>
> On 10/05/18 16:15, Jeff Elkner wrote:
>
>> Dear edu-sig friends,
>>
>> We had an interesting discussion at the Education Summit today at
>> Pycon about ways to better engage folks between Pycons.
>>
>> As a public school teacher, I have a particular interest in python in
>> k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
>> I am considering setting up an irc channel on freenode (#python-k12 ?)
>>
>> Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?
>>
>> Jeff Elkner
>>
>> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From stephen.murphy91 at gmail.com  Sat May 12 11:34:02 2018
From: stephen.murphy91 at gmail.com (Stephen Murphy)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 16:34:02 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Free Python teaching resources: Computer Science Teachers
 Association of Ireland
Message-ID: <CAGQdTd7sHuSvTYYYjiv93Cnn4Hw-NVmsaBSM=sRE_4NgjNBgTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

My name is Stephen Murphy. I am a teacher of science, biology, coding,
digital media and computer science in Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG in Cork City,
Ireland.

The Irish government has recently created coding, digital media and
computer science subjects in Irish schools. The coding and digital media
course have already started to junior classes, the senior computer science
subject will come into effect next September.

The national body charged with developing the curriculum and specification
for the Computer Science subject has said that only Python and Java script
may be used.

In November 2017, I created the Computer Science Teachers' Association of
Ireland (CSTAI). To date, we have over 400 members and 36 of the 40 pilot
Leaving Certificate Computer Science schools have joined.

We have a Google Drive with 100's of resources for coding, computer
science, digital media and general computing courses. The material is
suitable for both primary and secondary level. These resources can be
accessed, downloaded and modified by our members for their class.

We have an entire folder of Python resources (Notes, worksheets, videos,
python scripts etc) on the Google Drive.

I propose an exchange of Python teaching resources from the CSTAI to you
and vice-versa.

This will allow both sets of teachers to expand their teaching resource
bank.

If you are interested in this exchange, please respond to this email and we
can work out the exchange.

Best wishes,

Stephen
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From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Sat May 12 22:40:16 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Sat, 12 May 2018 21:40:16 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
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Hi,

I'm in! Actually I've been at that IRC channel for the past couple of
days and haven't seen anyone come by.

I'm not very active chatting but it's nice to have a place open for
discussion. One difficulty with IRC is that people don't stick around
for answers and it doesn't preserve history by default. I've found that
Matrix.Org has bridges to IRC and accommodates bridges to other chat
systems people might want. Riot.im is a nice libre client with history -
and there are others.

I've activated the IRC bridge to Riot.im -

My project is developing tools and materials for young people to learn
to code. I aim to have a full course and do workshops with local
indigenous amazonian groups and other vulnerable groups. So I
exclusively promote libre software. Also I'm dogfooding, i.e. my
unschooled children (4 and 7) are learning with our method and are
really into it.

Often I see educational material very anglo centric so I'm writing my
tutorials in Spanish. It would be nice to collaborate with others as I
go along (I do a lot of tooling). I am part of a network of workshop
teachers ("Python Joven") that started in Uruguay since 2012, we did one
in Colombia in 2014 and now we're looking to continue this work.

I've recently gained write access to the Python wiki, we should also add
some information there. Would PythonInEducation
<https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInEducation> be a good place to
document joint efforts? I've embedded that wikipage in the Riot.Im
channel (optional).

Please start using #python-k12:matrix.org with your Riot.im / Matrix.Org
client or with plain IRC Freenode, #python-k12 !

I'm glad to help with some tooling for collaboration. But only if we
stay in the libre camp, if that's fair with you!

Regards,
Sebastian

On 10/05/18 16:15, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> Dear edu-sig friends,
>
> We had an interesting discussion at the Education Summit today at
> Pycon about ways to better engage folks between Pycons.
>
> As a public school teacher, I have a particular interest in python in
> k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
> I am considering setting up an irc channel on freenode (#python-k12 ?)
>
> Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?
>
> Jeff Elkner
>
> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>
>
>
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From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Sun May 13 11:39:19 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 10:39:19 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
In-Reply-To: <2Vb_Mm8u1q6473g8J6HXjpKowCbh8WJqBRXlZFL5T6vC5NWBtLOD6EcsaXIErHANf1LmT9gW1BfajmRTNkgQ7I91vZB4Vd9LAT1OSx70414=@elkner.net>
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Hi Jeff!


On 13/05/18 06:16, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> To which irc channel are you referring, Sebastian?? I didn't know
> there was one?
IRC channels are created ad-hoc simply by joining them (first to come is
op). We can register the with channelops to have better control.
I haven't officially registered it - we can do this. You too can be
operator if you have an authenticated user you too can.

What I did do is setup a Matrix.Org bridge that offers better UI thru
Riot.im messenger (to the same channel).

We could setup a friendly IRC web gateway to this channel - if we have a
specific use case in mind and some hosting facility.

>
> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
Yes! I was replying to this mostly :-)

While I see how IRC is a bit technical for most teachers I think we can
do a lot by uniting python-education-promoters and tool-makers.
Regards,

Sebastian


>
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> On May 12, 2018 10:40 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm in! Actually I've been at that IRC channel for the past couple of
>> days and haven't seen anyone come by.
>>
>> I'm not very active chatting but it's nice to have a place open for
>> discussion. One difficulty with IRC is that people don't stick around
>> for answers and it doesn't preserve history by default. I've found
>> that Matrix.Org has bridges to IRC and accommodates bridges to other
>> chat systems people might want. Riot.im is a nice libre client with
>> history - and there are others.
>>
>> I've activated the IRC bridge to Riot.im -
>>
>> My project is developing tools and materials for young people to
>> learn to code. I aim to have a full course and do workshops with
>> local indigenous amazonian groups and other vulnerable groups. So I
>> exclusively promote libre software. Also I'm dogfooding, i.e. my
>> unschooled children (4 and 7) are learning with our method and are
>> really into it.
>>
>> Often I see educational material very anglo centric so I'm writing my
>> tutorials in Spanish. It would be nice to collaborate with others as
>> I go along (I do a lot of tooling). I am part of a network of
>> workshop teachers ("Python Joven") that started in Uruguay since
>> 2012, we did one in Colombia in 2014 and now we're looking to
>> continue this work.
>>
>> I've recently gained write access to the Python wiki, we should also
>> add some information there. Would PythonInEducation
>> <https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonInEducation> be a good place to
>> document joint efforts? I've embedded that wikipage in the Riot.Im
>> channel (optional).
>>
>> Please start using #python-k12:matrix.org with your Riot.im /
>> Matrix.Org client or with plain IRC Freenode, #python-k12 !
>>
>> I'm glad to help with some tooling for collaboration. But only if we
>> stay in the libre camp, if that's fair with you!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> On 10/05/18 16:15, Jeff Elkner wrote:
>>> Dear edu-sig friends,
>>>
>>> We had an interesting discussion at the Education Summit today at
>>> Pycon about ways to better engage folks between Pycons.
>>>
>>> As a public school teacher, I have a particular interest in python in
>>> k12 institutions, and in addition to posting more often on this list,
>>> I am considering setting up an irc channel on freenode (#python-k12 ?)
>>>
>>> Would anyone else here have an interest in such a channel?
>>>
>>> Jeff Elkner
>>>
>>> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Edu-sig mailing list
>>> Edu-sig at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>>>
>

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From kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org  Sun May 13 12:04:37 2018
From: kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org (Kevin Cole)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 12:04:37 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
In-Reply-To: <beab10f2-1917-7437-60c7-19c4a0ffcb21@fuentelibre.org>
References: <VZIaifBvT3x43c5hYiGYuuBbco2UUmLN6mSTAcaJvyV50_KvaE9i64p83woqKoK5HY4A0zqNzpiolNsAxlMugEqQzt8I8C45aoT9XFpekS4=@elkner.net>
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On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org
> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm in! Actually I've been at that IRC channel for the past couple of days
> and haven't seen anyone come by.
>
?By "that IRC channel" are you referring to ??*#python-k12*??


?I think that's what Jeff meant by "what IRC channel" -- i.e. the name not
the details of how it was implemented.?



-- 
*Kevin Cole*
<http://novawebdevelopment.org>
NOVA Web Development Co-Op
http://novawebdevelopment.org/
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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Sun May 13 11:56:06 2018
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas H.Tollervey)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 16:56:06 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Free Python teaching resources: Computer Science
 Teachers Association of Ireland
In-Reply-To: <CAGQdTd7sHuSvTYYYjiv93Cnn4Hw-NVmsaBSM=sRE_4NgjNBgTA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGQdTd7sHuSvTYYYjiv93Cnn4Hw-NVmsaBSM=sRE_4NgjNBgTA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7cdab78f-df22-ec86-6b43-7ba9f35a4b34@ntoll.org>

Hi Stephen,

It's great to hear that colleagues in Ireland are taking such positive
steps. Here in the UK, your countryman, Alan O'Donohoe, has been at the
centre of the coding/teaching renaissance (look him up, he's awesome --
say I told you to get in touch).

Here's the thing, the Python language and the community that goes with
it is very much "open source" with core values of sharing of code,
resources and time. While there isn't a central location for Python
related educational materials, many members of our community have
created educational resources that are covered by liberal "open source"
licenses -- i.e. they're already free to use, adopt and adapt. Just make
sure you check the license at the bottom is something like Creative Commons.

I'd strongly recommend you follow this practice. Your resources will be
both useful for other teachers throughout the world but, more
importantly for you, others will be able to contribute to them.
Basically, the Python community *already* gives away educational
resources for free, for everyone -- perhaps you should too..?

I hope this makes sense. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you
may have if you drop me an email off-list.

Best wishes,

Nicholas.

On 12/05/18 16:34, Stephen Murphy wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> My name is Stephen Murphy. I am a teacher of science, biology, coding,
> digital media and computer science in Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG in Cork
> City, Ireland.
> 
> The Irish government has recently created coding, digital media and
> computer science subjects in Irish schools. The coding and digital media
> course have already started to junior classes, the senior computer
> science subject will come into effect next September.??
> 
> The national body charged with developing the curriculum and
> specification for the Computer Science subject has said that only Python
> and Java script may be used.??
> 
> In November 2017, I created the Computer Science Teachers' Association
> of Ireland (CSTAI). To date, we have over 400 members and 36 of the 40
> pilot Leaving Certificate Computer Science schools have joined.??
> 
> We have a Google Drive with 100's of resources for coding, computer
> science, digital media and general computing courses. The material is
> suitable for both primary and secondary level. These resources can be
> accessed, downloaded and modified by our members for their class.?
> 
> We have an entire folder of Python resources (Notes, worksheets, videos,
> python scripts etc) on the Google Drive.?
> 
> I propose an exchange of Python teaching resources from the CSTAI to you
> and vice-versa.
> 
> This will allow both sets of teachers to expand their teaching resource
> bank.
> 
> If you are interested in this exchange, please respond to this email and
> we can work out the exchange.?
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Stephen?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
> Edu-sig at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
> 


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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Sun May 13 14:21:07 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 14:21:07 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
In-Reply-To: <CA+pvXRcP9Xn29Fdnn8MKpe4iFhCKHn3g+RdybWt_PHW6UAzB1Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VZIaifBvT3x43c5hYiGYuuBbco2UUmLN6mSTAcaJvyV50_KvaE9i64p83woqKoK5HY4A0zqNzpiolNsAxlMugEqQzt8I8C45aoT9XFpekS4=@elkner.net>
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Message-ID: <CACfEFw-B-N4Usk2uwzA=5rKuz1tNbyXEZQvGii-iJ5dnMd5YdA@mail.gmail.com>

#pythonK12 (without the dash) could be a hashtag, as well.

There was a discussion on the python-dev list awhile ago about Slack,
Gitter, Mattermost, and Zulip; which are all HTTP-based chat solutions with
mobile clients and serverside logging.

Python-dev chose to create a Zulip instance. Zulip was initially created at
Dropbox. [1]

Slack, Gitter, Matter most, and Zulip all have free and paid plans for
hosted webchat with bots. Mattermost and Zulip are open source and can be
run on-premise.

I think all of them support @mentions now; which, for IRC, requires some
IRC-fu and constantly idling with an IRC c lient app that may or may not
expose the IP address.

With free hosted plans, serverside logging is limited but better than
directing new joins to the an IRC chan to the log available over HTTP as
HTML or /dcc.

It may be even less likely that edu-sig users will IRC than that python-dev
users will IRC; YMMV.

[1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-April/152826.html

[1] https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/dev-python/JyyOu5ypBqA

[1]
https://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.python.python-dev#query:list%3Aorg.python.python-dev%20zulip+page:1+mid:p2f37mkblhdoyxys+state:results

> [Python-Dev] Introducing python.zulipchat.com
>
> As an experiment we have gotten an instance of Zulip running for Python's
development at https://python.zulipchat.com (IOW this is for discussing the
development *of* Python only*)*. As Guido has put it you can view Zulip
like "hyper-interactive email" as we have streams corresponding to
equivalent mailing lists and all messages fall under a topic so
conversations are on-topic.
>
> [...]


On Sunday, May 13, 2018, Kevin Cole <kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org>
wrote:

>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Sebastian Silva <
> sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm in! Actually I've been at that IRC channel for the past couple of
>> days and haven't seen anyone come by.
>>
> ?By "that IRC channel" are you referring to ??*#python-k12*??
>
>
> ?I think that's what Jeff meant by "what IRC channel" -- i.e. the name not
> the details of how it was implemented.?
>
>
>
> --
> *Kevin Cole*
> <http://novawebdevelopment.org>
> NOVA Web Development Co-Op
> http://novawebdevelopment.org/
> Arlington, VA
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun May 13 14:27:37 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 11:27:37 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
In-Reply-To: <a1bc233e-87b9-4de7-bd8d-1437eed2b6c4@aol.com>
References: <VZIaifBvT3x43c5hYiGYuuBbco2UUmLN6mSTAcaJvyV50_KvaE9i64p83woqKoK5HY4A0zqNzpiolNsAxlMugEqQzt8I8C45aoT9XFpekS4=@elkner.net>
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On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 3:06 PM, A Jorge Garcia via Edu-sig <
edu-sig at python.org> wrote:
>
> How about a Twitter hashtag?


Great idea.

What tag?

I do a lot of networking on Twitter.

Recent tweets:

https://twitter.com/thekirbster/status/991153490612269056

https://twitter.com/thekirbster/status/995728079677870081

I think my focus will be recruiting new people to this listserv, edu-sig.

I like the public archive and the long history we already have.

Kirby
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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Sun May 13 15:10:06 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 15:10:06 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Free Python teaching resources: Computer Science
 Teachers Association of Ireland
In-Reply-To: <7cdab78f-df22-ec86-6b43-7ba9f35a4b34@ntoll.org>
References: <CAGQdTd7sHuSvTYYYjiv93Cnn4Hw-NVmsaBSM=sRE_4NgjNBgTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7cdab78f-df22-ec86-6b43-7ba9f35a4b34@ntoll.org>
Message-ID: <CACfEFw9n0Q6sYW+Kv1w9n7v6VJ1wHJFLkHi1ayzaTerChwqiMQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sunday, May 13, 2018, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:

> Hi Stephen,
>
> It's great to hear that colleagues in Ireland are taking such positive
> steps. Here in the UK, your countryman, Alan O'Donohoe, has been at the
> centre of the coding/teaching renaissance (look him up, he's awesome --
> say I told you to get in touch).



K12 Computer Science Framework
https://k12cs.org

#k12cs #k12csframework

> The Association for Computing Machinery, Code.org, Computer Science
Teachers Association, Cyber Innovation Center, and National Math and
Science Initiative have collaborated with states, districts, and the
computer science education community to develop conceptual guidelines for
computer science education.


>
> Here's the thing, the Python language and the community that goes with
> it is very much "open source" with core values of sharing of code,
> resources and time. While there isn't a central location for Python
> related educational materials, many members of our community have
> created educational resources that are covered by liberal "open source"
> licenses -- i.e. they're already free to use, adopt and adapt. Just make
> sure you check the license at the bottom is something like Creative
> Commons.
>
> I'd strongly recommend you follow this practice. Your resources will be
> both useful for other teachers throughout the world but, more
> importantly for you, others will be able to contribute to them.
> Basically, the Python community *already* gives away educational
> resources for free, for everyone -- perhaps you should too..?


A few ways to share Python educational resources:

# awesome-python-in-education
https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education

# #OER: Open Educational Resources
https://www.oercommons.org

# schema.org metadata
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema.org

If you add metadata to an HTML page, it can be indexed by search engines:

http://schema.org/CreativeWork
http://schema.org/educationalAlignment #examples
http://schema.org/license
  https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/
  https://choosealicense.com/licenses/

http://schema.org/Course
http://schema.org/CourseInstance
http://schema.org/EducationEvent


# h5p (WordPress, Moodle, Drupal)
https://h5p.org/
https://h5p.org/content-types-and-applications

# edX + Jupyter
https://github.com/ibleducation/jupyter-viewer-xblock

#
https://wrdrd.github.io/docs/consulting/education-technology#jupyter-and-learning




> I hope this makes sense. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you
> may have if you drop me an email off-list.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Nicholas.
>
> On 12/05/18 16:34, Stephen Murphy wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > My name is Stephen Murphy. I am a teacher of science, biology, coding,
> > digital media and computer science in Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG in Cork
> > City, Ireland.
> >
> > The Irish government has recently created coding, digital media and
> > computer science subjects in Irish schools. The coding and digital media
> > course have already started to junior classes, the senior computer
> > science subject will come into effect next September.
> >
> > The national body charged with developing the curriculum and
> > specification for the Computer Science subject has said that only Python
> > and Java script may be used.
> >
> > In November 2017, I created the Computer Science Teachers' Association
> > of Ireland (CSTAI). To date, we have over 400 members and 36 of the 40
> > pilot Leaving Certificate Computer Science schools have joined.
> >
> > We have a Google Drive with 100's of resources for coding, computer
> > science, digital media and general computing courses. The material is
> > suitable for both primary and secondary level. These resources can be
> > accessed, downloaded and modified by our members for their class.
> >
> > We have an entire folder of Python resources (Notes, worksheets, videos,
> > python scripts etc) on the Google Drive.
> >
> > I propose an exchange of Python teaching resources from the CSTAI to you
> > and vice-versa.
> >
> > This will allow both sets of teachers to expand their teaching resource
> > bank.
> >
> > If you are interested in this exchange, please respond to this email and
> > we can work out the exchange.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Edu-sig mailing list
> > Edu-sig at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
> >
>
>
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun May 13 16:22:57 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 13:22:57 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] recent wheel spinning... (spatial geom)
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3Qmd4UHWg4W0q2th88q-omO=BEMigLZGYMO0BRU6MLRvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPJgG3Qbc-VwphnaSFBGkz5K_zCodRNOxzRMB47y8GnWa3-aAA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 2:25 PM, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:



> https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/Generating%20the%20FCC.
> ipynb
>
> Next challenge is to segment the dataframe vertically, into nucleus (1)
> plus successive layers (12, 42, 92...).
>
> Kirby
>
>

?Done!

#%%
# hierarchical row levels
arrays = [['layer0'] + ['layer1'] * 12 + ['layer2'] * 42,
          range(1 + 12 + 42)]

tuples = list(zip(*arrays))
rowindex = pd.MultiIndex.from_tuples(tuples, names=['Shell', 'Ball'])
#%%?


?Those weird %% thingys are I-Python / Spyder's way of letting run down a
script in discrete chunks.

To give a sense of the data:

Vtype       ivm             xyz
Coords        a  b  c  d      x      y      z
Shell  Ball
layer0 0      0  0  0  0  0.000  0.000  0.000
layer1 1      0  1  1  2  0.000 -0.707 -0.707
       2      0  1  2  1 -0.707  0.000 -0.707
       3      0  2  1  1 -0.707 -0.707  0.000
       4      1  0  1  2  0.707  0.000 -0.707?

?
Sharing this JN out to Facebook on math teacher group:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/147158235484661/

Great for anyone into linear algebra at all.

Kirby
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From stephen.murphy91 at gmail.com  Sun May 13 16:26:50 2018
From: stephen.murphy91 at gmail.com (Stephen Murphy)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 21:26:50 +0100
Subject: [Edu-sig] Free Python teaching resources: Computer Science
 Teachers Association of Ireland
In-Reply-To: <CACfEFw9n0Q6sYW+Kv1w9n7v6VJ1wHJFLkHi1ayzaTerChwqiMQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGQdTd7sHuSvTYYYjiv93Cnn4Hw-NVmsaBSM=sRE_4NgjNBgTA@mail.gmail.com>
 <7cdab78f-df22-ec86-6b43-7ba9f35a4b34@ntoll.org>
 <CACfEFw9n0Q6sYW+Kv1w9n7v6VJ1wHJFLkHi1ayzaTerChwqiMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAGQdTd4j4KCWoTD33vMmhRg1hVFE3CE8EhGP-pDCCJD04eF=iw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wes,

Thanks for those! I look forward to exploring those paths!

Best wishes,

Stephen

On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sunday, May 13, 2018, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Stephen,
>>
>> It's great to hear that colleagues in Ireland are taking such positive
>> steps. Here in the UK, your countryman, Alan O'Donohoe, has been at the
>> centre of the coding/teaching renaissance (look him up, he's awesome --
>> say I told you to get in touch).
>
>
>
> K12 Computer Science Framework
> https://k12cs.org
>
> #k12cs #k12csframework
>
> > The Association for Computing Machinery, Code.org, Computer Science
> Teachers Association, Cyber Innovation Center, and National Math and
> Science Initiative have collaborated with states, districts, and the
> computer science education community to develop conceptual guidelines for
> computer science education.
>
>
>>
>> Here's the thing, the Python language and the community that goes with
>> it is very much "open source" with core values of sharing of code,
>> resources and time. While there isn't a central location for Python
>> related educational materials, many members of our community have
>> created educational resources that are covered by liberal "open source"
>> licenses -- i.e. they're already free to use, adopt and adapt. Just make
>> sure you check the license at the bottom is something like Creative
>> Commons.
>>
>> I'd strongly recommend you follow this practice. Your resources will be
>> both useful for other teachers throughout the world but, more
>> importantly for you, others will be able to contribute to them.
>> Basically, the Python community *already* gives away educational
>> resources for free, for everyone -- perhaps you should too..?
>
>
> A few ways to share Python educational resources:
>
> # awesome-python-in-education
> https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education
>
> # #OER: Open Educational Resources
> https://www.oercommons.org
>
> # schema.org metadata
> Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema.org
>
> If you add metadata to an HTML page, it can be indexed by search engines:
>
> http://schema.org/CreativeWork
> http://schema.org/educationalAlignment #examples
> http://schema.org/license
>   https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/
>   https://choosealicense.com/licenses/
>
> http://schema.org/Course
> http://schema.org/CourseInstance
> http://schema.org/EducationEvent
>
>
> # h5p (WordPress, Moodle, Drupal)
> https://h5p.org/
> https://h5p.org/content-types-and-applications
>
> # edX + Jupyter
> https://github.com/ibleducation/jupyter-viewer-xblock
>
> #
> https://wrdrd.github.io/docs/consulting/education-technology#jupyter-and-
> learning
>
>
>
>
>> I hope this makes sense. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you
>> may have if you drop me an email off-list.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Nicholas.
>>
>> On 12/05/18 16:34, Stephen Murphy wrote:
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > My name is Stephen Murphy. I am a teacher of science, biology, coding,
>> > digital media and computer science in Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG in Cork
>> > City, Ireland.
>> >
>> > The Irish government has recently created coding, digital media and
>> > computer science subjects in Irish schools. The coding and digital media
>> > course have already started to junior classes, the senior computer
>> > science subject will come into effect next September.
>> >
>> > The national body charged with developing the curriculum and
>> > specification for the Computer Science subject has said that only Python
>> > and Java script may be used.
>> >
>> > In November 2017, I created the Computer Science Teachers' Association
>> > of Ireland (CSTAI). To date, we have over 400 members and 36 of the 40
>> > pilot Leaving Certificate Computer Science schools have joined.
>> >
>> > We have a Google Drive with 100's of resources for coding, computer
>> > science, digital media and general computing courses. The material is
>> > suitable for both primary and secondary level. These resources can be
>> > accessed, downloaded and modified by our members for their class.
>> >
>> > We have an entire folder of Python resources (Notes, worksheets, videos,
>> > python scripts etc) on the Google Drive.
>> >
>> > I propose an exchange of Python teaching resources from the CSTAI to you
>> > and vice-versa.
>> >
>> > This will allow both sets of teachers to expand their teaching resource
>> > bank.
>> >
>> > If you are interested in this exchange, please respond to this email and
>> > we can work out the exchange.
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Stephen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Edu-sig mailing list
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun May 13 19:52:40 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 16:52:40 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Free Python teaching resources: Computer Science
 Teachers Association of Ireland
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On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 1:26 PM, Stephen Murphy <stephen.murphy91 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Wes,
>
> Thanks for those! I look forward to exploring those paths!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stephen
>


?Wes has been a goldmine of useful links.

I encourage folks to mine the archives.

edu-sig is a gem among gems.

Kirby

?PS:  in the sense of Python signifying "access to treasure" (ala Vaults of
Parnassus):

https://youtu.be/MH49zLTeQsE
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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Sun May 13 21:02:13 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Sun, 13 May 2018 21:02:13 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Free Python teaching resources: Computer Science
 Teachers Association of Ireland
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YW! http://schema.org/about is the property to use for subject matter tags
or URIs/URLs.

On Sunday, May 13, 2018, Stephen Murphy <stephen.murphy91 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Wes,
>
> Thanks for those! I look forward to exploring those paths!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 8:10 PM, Wes Turner <wes.turner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 13, 2018, Nicholas H.Tollervey <ntoll at ntoll.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Stephen,
>>>
>>> It's great to hear that colleagues in Ireland are taking such positive
>>> steps. Here in the UK, your countryman, Alan O'Donohoe, has been at the
>>> centre of the coding/teaching renaissance (look him up, he's awesome --
>>> say I told you to get in touch).
>>
>>
>>
>> K12 Computer Science Framework
>> https://k12cs.org
>>
>> #k12cs #k12csframework
>>
>> > The Association for Computing Machinery, Code.org, Computer Science
>> Teachers Association, Cyber Innovation Center, and National Math and
>> Science Initiative have collaborated with states, districts, and the
>> computer science education community to develop conceptual guidelines for
>> computer science education.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Here's the thing, the Python language and the community that goes with
>>> it is very much "open source" with core values of sharing of code,
>>> resources and time. While there isn't a central location for Python
>>> related educational materials, many members of our community have
>>> created educational resources that are covered by liberal "open source"
>>> licenses -- i.e. they're already free to use, adopt and adapt. Just make
>>> sure you check the license at the bottom is something like Creative
>>> Commons.
>>>
>>> I'd strongly recommend you follow this practice. Your resources will be
>>> both useful for other teachers throughout the world but, more
>>> importantly for you, others will be able to contribute to them.
>>> Basically, the Python community *already* gives away educational
>>> resources for free, for everyone -- perhaps you should too..?
>>
>>
>> A few ways to share Python educational resources:
>>
>> # awesome-python-in-education
>> https://github.com/quobit/awesome-python-in-education
>>
>> # #OER: Open Educational Resources
>> https://www.oercommons.org
>>
>> # schema.org metadata
>> Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schema.org
>>
>> If you add metadata to an HTML page, it can be indexed by search engines:
>>
>> http://schema.org/CreativeWork
>> http://schema.org/educationalAlignment #examples
>> http://schema.org/license
>>   https://creativecommons.org/share-your-work/
>>   https://choosealicense.com/licenses/
>>
>> http://schema.org/Course
>> http://schema.org/CourseInstance
>> http://schema.org/EducationEvent
>>
>>
>> # h5p (WordPress, Moodle, Drupal)
>> https://h5p.org/
>> https://h5p.org/content-types-and-applications
>>
>> # edX + Jupyter
>> https://github.com/ibleducation/jupyter-viewer-xblock
>>
>> #
>> https://wrdrd.github.io/docs/consulting/education-technology
>> #jupyter-and-learning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> I hope this makes sense. I'm more than happy to answer any questions you
>>> may have if you drop me an email off-list.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Nicholas.
>>>
>>> On 12/05/18 16:34, Stephen Murphy wrote:
>>> > Hello all,
>>> >
>>> > My name is Stephen Murphy. I am a teacher of science, biology, coding,
>>> > digital media and computer science in Gaelcholaiste Mhuire AG in Cork
>>> > City, Ireland.
>>> >
>>> > The Irish government has recently created coding, digital media and
>>> > computer science subjects in Irish schools. The coding and digital
>>> media
>>> > course have already started to junior classes, the senior computer
>>> > science subject will come into effect next September.
>>> >
>>> > The national body charged with developing the curriculum and
>>> > specification for the Computer Science subject has said that only
>>> Python
>>> > and Java script may be used.
>>> >
>>> > In November 2017, I created the Computer Science Teachers' Association
>>> > of Ireland (CSTAI). To date, we have over 400 members and 36 of the 40
>>> > pilot Leaving Certificate Computer Science schools have joined.
>>> >
>>> > We have a Google Drive with 100's of resources for coding, computer
>>> > science, digital media and general computing courses. The material is
>>> > suitable for both primary and secondary level. These resources can be
>>> > accessed, downloaded and modified by our members for their class.
>>> >
>>> > We have an entire folder of Python resources (Notes, worksheets,
>>> videos,
>>> > python scripts etc) on the Google Drive.
>>> >
>>> > I propose an exchange of Python teaching resources from the CSTAI to
>>> you
>>> > and vice-versa.
>>> >
>>> > This will allow both sets of teachers to expand their teaching resource
>>> > bank.
>>> >
>>> > If you are interested in this exchange, please respond to this email
>>> and
>>> > we can work out the exchange.
>>> >
>>> > Best wishes,
>>> >
>>> > Stephen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Edu-sig mailing list
>>> > Edu-sig at python.org
>>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Mon May 14 10:49:22 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 09:49:22 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Thanks for pointing us to this resource. Very nice.

I am writing introductory materials and this is a great reference!

While our target audiences are completely different, the structure and
ideas are very welcome. I will make a section with references :-)

Please be aware of a license contradiction:

???
https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/_sources/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.rst?
(Proprietary)

??? https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/LICENSE.txt? (GNU FDL)

I consider Open Educational Resources to be the only sustainable option
for a just society - please clarify the license.

Thanks in advance!
Regards,

Sebastian


On 12/05/18 15:01, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> btw.? I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big
> Ideas in Programming on Monday.? I'm remixing to make the text more
> compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
> student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.
>
> I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
> http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
> The git repo is here:
> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP
>
> Jeff
>



From jeff at elkner.net  Mon May 14 11:05:54 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 11:05:54 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
In-Reply-To: <2a344a93-4a30-d882-5990-bbbef783d3f3@fuentelibre.org>
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I could really use some help with this, Sebastian. It is the authors at Georgia Tech who applied the two licenses, not me.  I've been in touch with them by email.  What would be the easiest thing that could be done to resolve the license contradiction?  Perhaps I could apply the fix to my version and then suggest to them they do likewise?

Jeff


?Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!?

??????? Original Message ???????

On May 14, 2018 10:49 AM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:

> ??
> 
> Thanks for pointing us to this resource. Very nice.
> 
> I am writing introductory materials and this is a great reference!
> 
> While our target audiences are completely different, the structure and
> 
> ideas are very welcome. I will make a section with references :-)
> 
> Please be aware of a license contradiction:
> 
> ???
> 
> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/_sources/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.rst?
> 
> (Proprietary)
> 
> ??? https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/LICENSE.txt? (GNU FDL)
> 
> I consider Open Educational Resources to be the only sustainable option
> 
> for a just society - please clarify the license.
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> On 12/05/18 15:01, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> 
> > btw.? I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big
> > 
> > Ideas in Programming on Monday.? I'm remixing to make the text more
> > 
> > compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
> > 
> > student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.
> > 
> > I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
> > 
> > http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
> > 
> > The git repo is here:
> > 
> > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP
> > 
> > Jeff



From jeff at elkner.net  Mon May 14 11:44:20 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 11:44:20 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Disregard the previous post.  I just changed the intro page to:

http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.html

so now the license contradiction is removed.


?Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!?

??????? Original Message ???????

On May 14, 2018 11:05 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:

> ??
> 
> I could really use some help with this, Sebastian. It is the authors at Georgia Tech who applied the two licenses, not me. I've been in touch with them by email. What would be the easiest thing that could be done to resolve the license contradiction? Perhaps I could apply the fix to my version and then suggest to them they do likewise?
> 
> Jeff
> 
> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
> 
> ??????? Original Message ???????
> 
> On May 14, 2018 10:49 AM, Sebastian Silva sebastian at fuentelibre.org wrote:
> 
> > Thanks for pointing us to this resource. Very nice.
> > 
> > I am writing introductory materials and this is a great reference!
> > 
> > While our target audiences are completely different, the structure and
> > 
> > ideas are very welcome. I will make a section with references :-)
> > 
> > Please be aware of a license contradiction:
> > 
> > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/_sources/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.rst
> > 
> > (Proprietary)
> > 
> > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/LICENSE.txt? (GNU FDL)
> > 
> > I consider Open Educational Resources to be the only sustainable option
> > 
> > for a just society - please clarify the license.
> > 
> > Thanks in advance!
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> > On 12/05/18 15:01, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> > 
> > > btw.? I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big
> > > 
> > > Ideas in Programming on Monday.? I'm remixing to make the text more
> > > 
> > > compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
> > > 
> > > student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.
> > > 
> > > I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
> > > 
> > > http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
> > > 
> > > The git repo is here:
> > > 
> > > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP
> > > 
> > > Jeff
> 
> Edu-sig mailing list
> 
> Edu-sig at python.org
> 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig



From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Tue May 15 00:22:44 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 23:22:44 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Hi Jeff,

Thank you for clarifying the license. Now we can work together ;-)

I've cloned the repository and examined it. I didn't figure out how to
build it. Does it use Sphinx or have a server side?

Does it have interactive bits?

GNU FDL is the same license I've chosen for my book that I'm shaping.

But I'm writing in Spanish, my target topic is introductory Python in
the Browser (e.g. incl HTML and CSS).

My target users are rural kids with little or no Internet.

I have settled on using Tiddlywiki for my project as it affords some
pretty amazing extension points.

Since my main project is a Python editor for the web, I'm experimenting
in embedding it inside the Tiddlywiki for showing runnable examples.
This is all experimental.

For instance, here's an article with an embedded Jappy editor. The
included script is able to pull the code from the code sections of the
article in order to run it.

What work will you be doing on the book? Have you considered adding an
embedded interpreter for code examples?

In the past I've translated some books to Spanish. This might be a good
one to try a translation marathon.

Regards,

Sebastian


On 14/05/18 10:44, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> Disregard the previous post.  I just changed the intro page to:
>
> http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.html
>
> so now the license contradiction is removed.
>
>
> ?Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!?
>
> ??????? Original Message ???????
>
> On May 14, 2018 11:05 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>
>> ??
>>
>> I could really use some help with this, Sebastian. It is the authors at Georgia Tech who applied the two licenses, not me. I've been in touch with them by email. What would be the easiest thing that could be done to resolve the license contradiction? Perhaps I could apply the fix to my version and then suggest to them they do likewise?
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>>
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>
>> On May 14, 2018 10:49 AM, Sebastian Silva sebastian at fuentelibre.org wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for pointing us to this resource. Very nice.
>>>
>>> I am writing introductory materials and this is a great reference!
>>>
>>> While our target audiences are completely different, the structure and
>>>
>>> ideas are very welcome. I will make a section with references :-)
>>>
>>> Please be aware of a license contradiction:
>>>
>>> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/_sources/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.rst
>>>
>>> (Proprietary)
>>>
>>> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/LICENSE.txt? (GNU FDL)
>>>
>>> I consider Open Educational Resources to be the only sustainable option
>>>
>>> for a just society - please clarify the license.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Sebastian
>>>
>>> On 12/05/18 15:01, Jeff Elkner wrote:
>>>
>>>> btw.? I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big
>>>>
>>>> Ideas in Programming on Monday.? I'm remixing to make the text more
>>>>
>>>> compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
>>>>
>>>> student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
>>>>
>>>> The git repo is here:
>>>>
>>>> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
>> Edu-sig mailing list
>>
>> Edu-sig at python.org
>>
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>



From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Tue May 15 00:29:28 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 23:29:28 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
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Message-ID: <d47b370e-114c-711b-c465-006493f294c1@fuentelibre.org>

I think each of those platforms caters to different sets of users.

It all depends on who you want to talk with.

I find that an IRC chat is nice to have for casual conversation.

For instance, if we had a website we could embed the chatroom with the
following iframe:

<iframe
src="http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=%23python-k12&uio=MTY9dHJ1ZSYyPXRydWUmOT10cnVlJjExPTI4Nwee"
width="647" height="400"></iframe>

Or one could reach it directly thru a link
<http://webchat.freenode.net?channels=%23python-k12&uio=MTY9dHJ1ZSYyPXRydWUmOT10cnVlJjExPTI4Nwee>.

More fancy clients are available as well as bridges.

I'm not in capacity to provide hosting for a hosted solution, but what
we have now is quite usable.

That said, I will take a look at Zulip, sounds pretty cool.

Regards,

Sebastian


On 13/05/18 13:21, Wes Turner wrote:
> #pythonK12 (without the dash) could be a hashtag, as well.
>
> There was a discussion on the python-dev list awhile ago about Slack,
> Gitter, Mattermost, and Zulip; which are all HTTP-based chat solutions
> with mobile clients and serverside logging.
>
> Python-dev chose to create a Zulip instance. Zulip was initially
> created at Dropbox. [1]
>
> Slack, Gitter, Matter most, and Zulip all have free and paid plans for
> hosted webchat with bots. Mattermost and Zulip are open source and can
> be run on-premise.
>
> I think all of them support @mentions now; which, for IRC, requires
> some IRC-fu and constantly idling with an IRC c lient app that may or
> may not expose the IP address.
>
> With free hosted plans, serverside logging is limited but better than
> directing new joins to the an IRC chan to the log available over HTTP
> as HTML or /dcc.
>
> It may be even less likely that edu-sig users will IRC than that
> python-dev users will IRC; YMMV.
>
> [1] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2018-April/152826.html
>
> [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/dev-python/JyyOu5ypBqA
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#%21topic/dev-python/JyyOu5ypBqA>
>
> [1]
> https://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aorg.python.python-dev#query:list%3Aorg.python.python-dev%20zulip+page:1+mid:p2f37mkblhdoyxys+state:results
>
> > [Python-Dev] Introducing python.zulipchat.com
> <http://python.zulipchat.com>
> >
> > As an experiment we have gotten an instance of Zulip running for
> Python's development at https://python.zulipchat.com (IOW this is for
> discussing the development *of* Python only*)*. As Guido has put it
> you can view Zulip like "hyper-interactive email" as we have streams
> corresponding to equivalent mailing lists and all messages fall under
> a topic so conversations are on-topic.
> >?
> > [...]
>
>
> On Sunday, May 13, 2018, Kevin Cole <kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org
> <mailto:kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 10:40 PM, Sebastian Silva
>     <sebastian at fuentelibre.org <mailto:sebastian at fuentelibre.org>> wrote:
>
>         Hi,
>
>         I'm in! Actually I've been at that IRC channel for the past
>         couple of days and haven't seen anyone come by.
>
>     ?By "that IRC channel" are you referring to ??_*#python-k12*_??
>
>
>     ?I think that's what Jeff meant by "what IRC channel" -- i.e. the
>     name not the details of how it was implemented.?
>
>
>
>     -- 
>     *Kevin Cole*
>     <http://novawebdevelopment.org>
>     NOVA Web Development Co-Op
>     http://novawebdevelopment.org/
>     Arlington, VA
>

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From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Tue May 15 00:58:56 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 23:58:56 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Jeff,

I managed to build the book by installing the requirements.txt and
examining them, I found the `runestone` command.

Imho this is the first thing that should be documented ;-) I'm making a PR.

Also, I did find the interactive parts, nice!

Regards,

Sebastian


On 14/05/18 23:22, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> Hi Jeff,
>
> Thank you for clarifying the license. Now we can work together ;-)
>
> I've cloned the repository and examined it. I didn't figure out how to
> build it. Does it use Sphinx or have a server side?
>
> Does it have interactive bits?
>
> GNU FDL is the same license I've chosen for my book that I'm shaping.
>
> But I'm writing in Spanish, my target topic is introductory Python in
> the Browser (e.g. incl HTML and CSS).
>
> My target users are rural kids with little or no Internet.
>
> I have settled on using Tiddlywiki for my project as it affords some
> pretty amazing extension points.
>
> Since my main project is a Python editor for the web, I'm experimenting
> in embedding it inside the Tiddlywiki for showing runnable examples.
> This is all experimental.
>
> For instance, here's an article with an embedded Jappy editor. The
> included script is able to pull the code from the code sections of the
> article in order to run it.
>
> What work will you be doing on the book? Have you considered adding an
> embedded interpreter for code examples?
>
> In the past I've translated some books to Spanish. This might be a good
> one to try a translation marathon.
>
> Regards,
>
> Sebastian
>
>
> On 14/05/18 10:44, Jeff Elkner wrote:
>> Disregard the previous post.  I just changed the intro page to:
>>
>> http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.html
>>
>> so now the license contradiction is removed.
>>
>>
>> ?Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!?
>>
>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>
>> On May 14, 2018 11:05 AM, Jeff Elkner <jeff at elkner.net> wrote:
>>
>>> ??
>>>
>>> I could really use some help with this, Sebastian. It is the authors at Georgia Tech who applied the two licenses, not me. I've been in touch with them by email. What would be the easiest thing that could be done to resolve the license contradiction? Perhaps I could apply the fix to my version and then suggest to them they do likewise?
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>> Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
>>>
>>> ??????? Original Message ???????
>>>
>>> On May 14, 2018 10:49 AM, Sebastian Silva sebastian at fuentelibre.org wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks for pointing us to this resource. Very nice.
>>>>
>>>> I am writing introductory materials and this is a great reference!
>>>>
>>>> While our target audiences are completely different, the structure and
>>>>
>>>> ideas are very welcome. I will make a section with references :-)
>>>>
>>>> Please be aware of a license contradiction:
>>>>
>>>> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/_sources/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.rst
>>>>
>>>> (Proprietary)
>>>>
>>>> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/LICENSE.txt? (GNU FDL)
>>>>
>>>> I consider Open Educational Resources to be the only sustainable option
>>>>
>>>> for a just society - please clarify the license.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Sebastian
>>>>
>>>> On 12/05/18 15:01, Jeff Elkner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> btw.? I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big
>>>>>
>>>>> Ideas in Programming on Monday.? I'm remixing to make the text more
>>>>>
>>>>> compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
>>>>>
>>>>> student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
>>>>>
>>>>> The git repo is here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff
>>> Edu-sig mailing list
>>>
>>> Edu-sig at python.org
>>>
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig
>


From sebastian at fuentelibre.org  Tue May 15 01:00:47 2018
From: sebastian at fuentelibre.org (Sebastian Silva)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 00:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Sorry I missed pasting the link:

https://educa.juegos/libro/#Jappy-TiddlyWiki


On 14/05/18 23:22, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> For instance, here's an article with an embedded Jappy editor. The
> included script is able to pull the code from the code sections of the
> article in order to run it.


From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue May 15 01:41:59 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 22:41:59 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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On Mon, May 14, 2018 at 10:00 PM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org
> wrote:

> Sorry I missed pasting the link:
>
> https://educa.juegos/libro/#Jappy-TiddlyWiki
>
>
?Cool!

https://flic.kr/p/2772Gis

?Kirby

?
??
>
>
> On 14/05/18 23:22, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> > For instance, here's an article with an embedded Jappy editor. The
> > included script is able to pull the code from the code sections of the
> > article in order to run it.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org  Tue May 15 08:15:38 2018
From: kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org (Kevin Cole)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 08:15:38 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] What do folks think of creating a #python-k12 channel
 on freenode?
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?And the discussion rages on at Reddit. ;-)?

https://www.reddit.com/r/selfhosted/comments/7k471o/zulip_vs_rocketchat_vs_mattermost_vs_riotim_slack/

-- 
*Kevin Cole*
<http://novawebdevelopment.org>
NOVA Web Development Co-Op
http://novawebdevelopment.org/
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From jeff at elkner.net  Tue May 15 10:08:23 2018
From: jeff at elkner.net (Jeff Elkner)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 10:08:23 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Suggested metrics for measuring our success
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Great, Sebastian!  I merged your pull request, and made a few additional changes to the license.

Since this is getting to be a nuts and bolts conversation, I believe good netiquette dictates we should now move it off list, so this will be my last post to the list on this topic.

Thanks!

Jeff


?Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!?

??????? Original Message ???????

On May 15, 2018 12:58 AM, Sebastian Silva <sebastian at fuentelibre.org> wrote:

> ??
> 
> Jeff,
> 
> I managed to build the book by installing the requirements.txt and
> 
> examining them, I found the `runestone` command.
> 
> Imho this is the first thing that should be documented ;-) I'm making a PR.
> 
> Also, I did find the interactive parts, nice!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> On 14/05/18 23:22, Sebastian Silva wrote:
> 
> > Hi Jeff,
> > 
> > Thank you for clarifying the license. Now we can work together ;-)
> > 
> > I've cloned the repository and examined it. I didn't figure out how to
> > 
> > build it. Does it use Sphinx or have a server side?
> > 
> > Does it have interactive bits?
> > 
> > GNU FDL is the same license I've chosen for my book that I'm shaping.
> > 
> > But I'm writing in Spanish, my target topic is introductory Python in
> > 
> > the Browser (e.g. incl HTML and CSS).
> > 
> > My target users are rural kids with little or no Internet.
> > 
> > I have settled on using Tiddlywiki for my project as it affords some
> > 
> > pretty amazing extension points.
> > 
> > Since my main project is a Python editor for the web, I'm experimenting
> > 
> > in embedding it inside the Tiddlywiki for showing runnable examples.
> > 
> > This is all experimental.
> > 
> > For instance, here's an article with an embedded Jappy editor. The
> > 
> > included script is able to pull the code from the code sections of the
> > 
> > article in order to run it.
> > 
> > What work will you be doing on the book? Have you considered adding an
> > 
> > embedded interpreter for code examples?
> > 
> > In the past I've translated some books to Spanish. This might be a good
> > 
> > one to try a translation marathon.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> > On 14/05/18 10:44, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> > 
> > > Disregard the previous post. I just changed the intro page to:
> > > 
> > > http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.html
> > > 
> > > so now the license contradiction is removed.
> > > 
> > > Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
> > > 
> > > ??????? Original Message ???????
> > > 
> > > On May 14, 2018 11:05 AM, Jeff Elkner jeff at elkner.net wrote:
> > > 
> > > > I could really use some help with this, Sebastian. It is the authors at Georgia Tech who applied the two licenses, not me. I've been in touch with them by email. What would be the easiest thing that could be done to resolve the license contradiction? Perhaps I could apply the fix to my version and then suggest to them they do likewise?
> > > > 
> > > > Jeff
> > > > 
> > > > Let's work together to create a just and sustainable world!
> > > > 
> > > > ??????? Original Message ???????
> > > > 
> > > > On May 14, 2018 10:49 AM, Sebastian Silva sebastian at fuentelibre.org wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > Thanks for pointing us to this resource. Very nice.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I am writing introductory materials and this is a great reference!
> > > > > 
> > > > > While our target audiences are completely different, the structure and
> > > > > 
> > > > > ideas are very welcome. I will make a section with references :-)
> > > > > 
> > > > > Please be aware of a license contradiction:
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/_sources/CSPrinTeasers/studentBook.rst
> > > > > 
> > > > > (Proprietary)
> > > > > 
> > > > > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP/blob/master/LICENSE.txt? (GNU FDL)
> > > > > 
> > > > > I consider Open Educational Resources to be the only sustainable option
> > > > > 
> > > > > for a just society - please clarify the license.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Thanks in advance!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Sebastian
> > > > > 
> > > > > On 12/05/18 15:01, Jeff Elkner wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > btw.? I'll be sprinting on a Remix of the book, CS Principles: Big
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Ideas in Programming on Monday.? I'm remixing to make the text more
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > compatible with Python 3, and to respond to
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > student requests for clarification of exercise instructions, etc.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I'm hosting the remix on the Open Book Project:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://www.openbookproject.net/books/StudentCSP/
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The git repo is here:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > https://gitlab.com/jelkner/StudentCSP
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Edu-sig mailing list
> > > > 
> > > > Edu-sig at python.org
> > > > 
> > > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/edu-sig



From jackiekazil at gmail.com  Tue May 15 10:28:11 2018
From: jackiekazil at gmail.com (Jacqueline Kazil)
Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 10:28:11 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Open space @ PyCon
Message-ID: <CAKD0ODx-O+K45y04o4rvP=UeD_=JH6WFyrpU8nQZw5xRhaDXfw@mail.gmail.com>

*Hello everyone! At PyCon 2018, I hosted a PSF + Educators space to propose
the question of what can the PSF do for educators. That session turned into
a general discussion on things the community can do. These are the
takeaways.Being worked on. These are things that people are working on
after the discussion. Not sure who is working on what though. Please
identify yourselves on the list if others want to reach you! 1. Use edu-sig
as the jumping off point for communication2. Jackie will bring back notes
from conversation to the PSF board to both inform and discuss
possibilities3. Educating Teachers ---1. Adding teaching training for
regional conferences -- although it is short notice, this is first being
tried for PyOhio2. Can we do educators track?  Maybe not make the summit on
the day before, Workshop day & talk day?4. Create talking points / Press
packet1. Starting locally to converse with people and find out the needs
for a curriculum 1. Akron, OH is restructuring curriculum.5. PyEducators
created -- https://github.com/ehmatthes/pyeducators
<https://github.com/ehmatthes/pyeducators> 6. Create an inventory of
resources - This will not be the end all be all, but a jumping off point
for curation. It has to start somewhere thought. - K-5, 6-8, 9-12, and
Adult & Setting: Class, Library, after school- List of organizations,
people, etc- List of books- ^^ Will be explored by a student in Library
Science as an independent study- I *believe* this is under PyEducators, but
I am uncertainNot being worked on. These are things that came up in
discussion that are not explicitly being worked on at this time. If you
would like to help lead one of these things, please speak up. Also, please
note, that just because it was discussed it doesn't mean it will ever
happen, so let's not bike shed these points please. - ?Can the PSF have an
educational resources page? We all don?t know what is out there.?- ?We can
connect technology folks with teachers.?- https://software-carpentry.org/
<https://software-carpentry.org/> <-- ?We get the most requests for Python,
but our lessons need love.?- Should we have a lobby arm? - Get rid of IDLE.
Add Mu. Can the PSF get Mu in standard library?- Python booth at teacher
conferences- Get a full-time educator on PSF staff, paid for a grant just
to support thisPlease let me know if I missed anything. I am sure I did.
Also, let me know if my notes don't make sense.*

-Jackie

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From kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org  Wed May 16 11:30:20 2018
From: kevin.cole at novawebdevelopment.org (Kevin Cole)
Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 11:30:20 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Open space @ PyCon
Message-ID: <CA+pvXRe6h3GY3UyUW7293LWDxHiE9_zmRNhrpzroQDoe6ZCpsQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is an old, incomplete and probably obsolete list that I would
occasionally send out to people who asked.? Also Rami Chowdhury et al had a
Hackpad / Etherpad that listed more resources. Formerly at
https://pythondc.hackpad.com/ but I don't know if it made the leap to
Dropbox Paper or was archived anywhere, or just disappeared into the
aether.
?
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Kevin Cole <dc.loco at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [DCPython] Intro Python Courses/Tutoring
To: DCPython-list at meetup.com

Hi,

A few resources (several aimed at a very young audience):

   - The official *Python Tutorial* (2.7 edition and 3.2 edition)
   http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
   http://docs.python.org/py3k/tutorial/
   - *Snake Wrangling for Kids* (free ebook)
   by Jason R. Briggs
   http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/
   - *Invent Your Own Computer Games with Python* (free ebook)
   by Al Sweigart
   http://inventwithpython.com/
   - The *Python Bibliotheca*
   by Jeff Elkner
   http://www.openbookproject.net/pybiblio/
   - *PyGame*
   http://www.pygame.org/
   - *Python for Fun*
   by Chris Meyers
   http://openbookproject.net/py4fun/
   - *How to Think Like a Computer Scientist - Learning with Python*
   by Jeffrey Elkner, Allen B. Downey, and Chris Meyers
   http://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/python/english2e/


HacDC ran an *Introduction to Python* course a while back:
http://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/Introduction_to_Python

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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sun May 27 05:27:28 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 02:27:28 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] CP4E meets Geospatial Data (DGGS)
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3TQkeh2UyjOPL7U+FfMCBxYhOPoPr0mf4=UbQST3x8iuw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm ramping up with Saturday Academy having met with their IT Chief
regarding getting Python distro Anaconda on the schools Windows laptops,
though at the moment we're thinking a Reed College Mac OSX classroom may be
our venue.  Next month is the target date.


That's where I
??
taught Martian Math before, but sans any Jupyter Notebooks [0].


"Martian Math" unifies two threads I've been leaving posts about this month:


(A) getting into 3rd party functions around numpy, pandas and geopandas,
even pre-college, looks good on a "resume" (as in "in the summer of 2018 I
learned to use Jupyter Notebooks while studying geometric concepts using
Python").


(B) the set of concepts I've circled in my Digital Mathematics: Heuristics
for Teachers website at Wikieducator.


A "glue topic" is "HP4E" named in honor of "CP4E" the latter being in some
ways the raison d'?tre of this mailman listserv.[1]


Not many schools yet have access to DGGS systems (Discrete Global Grid
Systems) but we may anticipate many will in the near future.


Open source appears to be moving in this direction.


https://youtu.be/JWl4ZPrb5Ag  (hexapent)

https://www.slideshare.net/ClintonDow/dggs-python-geopython-2017 (a slide
deck)


Speaking of DGGS and HP4E, I got geopandas working today [2], though I
first made the mistake of thinking a simple:


conda install geopandas  (not the right way!)


was gonna work. On the contrary, you need something more like:


conda create -n geopandas python=3.6 geopandas -c condo-forge  (try this!)


i.e. let the conda-forge repo put all the dependences in a fresh new
environment.


Don?t over-install on the default Anaconda distro.  I see from exploring
Stackoverflow and so on that a lot of developers have made this mistake.


Kirby


[0] https://youtu.be/vk-cpknOz9E (10 minute Youtube on the genesis of
Martian Math)


[1]  https://www.python.org/doc/essays/cp4e/


[2]  http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2018/05/geopandas.html
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon May 28 00:54:33 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 21:54:33 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Google Colab
Message-ID: <CAPJgG3RWW=DVDkR-QCdfAzyVOek-XOGcmqMoaKr88KyQtXE9kw@mail.gmail.com>

Wes or someone may have linked to this already. Just tuned it in myself:

https://colab.research.google.com/notebooks/basic_features_overview.ipynb

That's Google's way of letting us use Jupyter Notebooks in the cloud and to
share them on Google Drive.

I see where students would benefit, not that this is the first or only
cloud-based environment.  Another great tool.

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From nik at naturalnet.de  Mon May 28 04:01:48 2018
From: nik at naturalnet.de (Dominik George)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 10:01:48 +0200
Subject: [Edu-sig] Google Colab
In-Reply-To: <CAPJgG3RWW=DVDkR-QCdfAzyVOek-XOGcmqMoaKr88KyQtXE9kw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPJgG3RWW=DVDkR-QCdfAzyVOek-XOGcmqMoaKr88KyQtXE9kw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20180528080148.xhckkgo227c7tiiz@portux.lan.naturalnet.de>

Hi,

> That's Google's way of letting us use Jupyter Notebooks in the cloud and to
> share them on Google Drive.
> 
> I see where students would benefit, not that this is the first or only
> cloud-based environment.  Another great tool.

Sorry to object, but no.

Any tool that requires consent to Google's terms of use, or any other
comparably bad terms of use, is NOT suitable for use in education.

Telling students that agreeing with them is mandatory for learning is at
least unethical and contradict fostering free and open education, and minors
(i.e.  users under the age of 18 or 16, or whatever the respective
jurisdiction defines) are not legally capable of agreeing, so they are
either talked into doing something illegal, or cannot take part in the
learning. There might be other groups this applies to, independent of age.

Please do NOT use such tools in education.

Cheers,
Nik
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From krantzrs8 at gmail.com  Sun May 27 17:07:58 2018
From: krantzrs8 at gmail.com (Rae Krantz)
Date: Sun, 27 May 2018 17:07:58 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Open space @ PyCon
In-Reply-To: <mailman.2251.1526484625.2760.edu-sig@python.org>
References: <mailman.2251.1526484625.2760.edu-sig@python.org>
Message-ID: <CACpHNFNvXd2yx3qTXAnm4+-AutYEeLjQwoT1EL=c7yuDt_4pqw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi! I think I'm doing this right - we will find out.

Things I was in charge of and updates!

1) teacher training at pyohio. It is too late to get this added, due to
venue space restrictions. Let's plan ourt the next few conferences to
target at our next meet.

2) speaking of meets, what days usually work best for people? Please reply
with the days you have available evenings. Will likely set something up for
830pmEST. If you are in a time zone this wouldn't work for give a shout and
we'll adapt as we go.
As a recap, we should meet monthly to continue momentum.

3) I have officially joined a board of advisors for an Akron high school
tech track. I am happy to share how that goes as it progresses, and be a
resource to emulate what Akron is doing in other locales. This is a bit of
an experiment here, spearheaded by United Way, so here's hoping it is a
demonstrable success. Would love to keep this and similar things (like
TEALS) as consistent discussion items in our meets.

Next steps on the above (from my perspective):
1) reach out to regional python confs about adding teacher trainings
2) lay groundwork for what a teacher training at a conf would look like

Great meeting you all, looking forward to making some moves.

Rae



>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 10:28:11 -0400
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> To: edu-sig at python.org
> Subject: [Edu-sig] Open space @ PyCon
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> *Hello everyone! At PyCon 2018, I hosted a PSF + Educators space to propose
> the question of what can the PSF do for educators. That session turned into
> a general discussion on things the community can do. These are the
> takeaways.Being worked on. These are things that people are working on
> after the discussion. Not sure who is working on what though. Please
> identify yourselves on the list if others want to reach you! 1. Use edu-sig
> as the jumping off point for communication2. Jackie will bring back notes
> from conversation to the PSF board to both inform and discuss
> possibilities3. Educating Teachers ---1. Adding teaching training for
> regional conferences -- although it is short notice, this is first being
> tried for PyOhio2. Can we do educators track?  Maybe not make the summit on
> the day before, Workshop day & talk day?4. Create talking points / Press
> packet1. Starting locally to converse with people and find out the needs
> for a curriculum 1. Akron, OH is restructuring curriculum.5. PyEducators
> created -- https://github.com/ehmatthes/pyeducators
> <https://github.com/ehmatthes/pyeducators> 6. Create an inventory of
> resources - This will not be the end all be all, but a jumping off point
> for curation. It has to start somewhere thought. - K-5, 6-8, 9-12, and
> Adult & Setting: Class, Library, after school- List of organizations,
> people, etc- List of books- ^^ Will be explored by a student in Library
> Science as an independent study- I *believe* this is under PyEducators, but
> I am uncertainNot being worked on. These are things that came up in
> discussion that are not explicitly being worked on at this time. If you
> would like to help lead one of these things, please speak up. Also, please
> note, that just because it was discussed it doesn't mean it will ever
> happen, so let's not bike shed these points please. - ?Can the PSF have an
> educational resources page? We all don?t know what is out there.?- ?We can
> connect technology folks with teachers.?- https://software-carpentry.org/
> <https://software-carpentry.org/> <-- ?We get the most requests for
> Python,
> but our lessons need love.?- Should we have a lobby arm? - Get rid of IDLE.
> Add Mu. Can the PSF get Mu in standard library?- Python booth at teacher
> conferences- Get a full-time educator on PSF staff, paid for a grant just
> to support thisPlease let me know if I missed anything. I am sure I did.
> Also, let me know if my notes don't make sense.*
>
> -Jackie
>
> --
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> https://pythondc.hackpad.com/ but I don't know if it made the leap to
> Dropbox Paper or was archived anywhere, or just disappeared into the
> aether.
> ?
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Kevin Cole <dc.loco at gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [DCPython] Intro Python Courses/Tutoring
> To: DCPython-list at meetup.com
>
> Hi,
>
> A few resources (several aimed at a very young audience):
>
>    - The official *Python Tutorial* (2.7 edition and 3.2 edition)
>    http://docs.python.org/tutorial/
>    http://docs.python.org/py3k/tutorial/
>    - *Snake Wrangling for Kids* (free ebook)
>    by Jason R. Briggs
>    http://www.briggs.net.nz/log/writing/snake-wrangling-for-kids/
>    - *Invent Your Own Computer Games with Python* (free ebook)
>    by Al Sweigart
>    http://inventwithpython.com/
>    - The *Python Bibliotheca*
>    by Jeff Elkner
>    http://www.openbookproject.net/pybiblio/
>    - *PyGame*
>    http://www.pygame.org/
>    - *Python for Fun*
>    by Chris Meyers
>    http://openbookproject.net/py4fun/
>    - *How to Think Like a Computer Scientist - Learning with Python*
>    by Jeffrey Elkner, Allen B. Downey, and Chris Meyers
>    http://openbookproject.net/thinkcs/python/english2e/
>
>
> HacDC ran an *Introduction to Python* course a while back:
> http://wiki.hacdc.org/index.php/Introduction_to_Python
>
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>
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From ccosse at gmail.com  Mon May 28 10:15:58 2018
From: ccosse at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?Qy4gQ29zc8Op?=)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 07:15:58 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Google Colab
In-Reply-To: <20180528080148.xhckkgo227c7tiiz@portux.lan.naturalnet.de>
References: <CAPJgG3RWW=DVDkR-QCdfAzyVOek-XOGcmqMoaKr88KyQtXE9kw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180528080148.xhckkgo227c7tiiz@portux.lan.naturalnet.de>
Message-ID: <CABtoULgdsN7EmrdPdrhrUvDAfNwDk6Ewbo-m_NC=OXPUW18jmw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Dominik,

I understand about software freedom, but even the Free Software Foundation
has worked with Google in education since 2006, for example see this page
<https://www.gnu.org/software/soc-projects/guidelines.html>.

Also interesting about that page is that the FSF chooses to attack the term
"open source" rather than object to Google.  I believe that's called
"horizontal hostility", like how some Vegans condemn Vegetarians for not
being Vegan enough.

Cheers,
-Charlie

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Dominik George <nik at naturalnet.de> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > That's Google's way of letting us use Jupyter Notebooks in the cloud and
> to
> > share them on Google Drive.
> >
> > I see where students would benefit, not that this is the first or only
> > cloud-based environment.  Another great tool.
>
> Sorry to object, but no.
>
> Any tool that requires consent to Google's terms of use, or any other
> comparably bad terms of use, is NOT suitable for use in education.
>
> Telling students that agreeing with them is mandatory for learning is at
> least unethical and contradict fostering free and open education, and
> minors
> (i.e.  users under the age of 18 or 16, or whatever the respective
> jurisdiction defines) are not legally capable of agreeing, so they are
> either talked into doing something illegal, or cannot take part in the
> learning. There might be other groups this applies to, independent of age.
>
> Please do NOT use such tools in education.
>
> Cheers,
> Nik
>
> _______________________________________________
> Edu-sig mailing list
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>


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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Mon May 28 11:53:28 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 08:53:28 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] Google Colab
In-Reply-To: <20180528080148.xhckkgo227c7tiiz@portux.lan.naturalnet.de>
References: <CAPJgG3RWW=DVDkR-QCdfAzyVOek-XOGcmqMoaKr88KyQtXE9kw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAPJgG3RiYwToh2TA8FCPd8m=ri0=Nk0SQdqekDCGak1puQAG0w@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Dominik George <nik at naturalnet.de> wrote:


> Please do NOT use such tools in education.
>
> Cheers,
> Nik
>

?Good point Nik.

My only concrete plan to use Jupyter Notebooks in the classroom is during a
summer camp next month. My expectation is we'll install the Anaconda distro
either on OSX or Windows depending on whether Reed College wants Saturday
Academy to provide its own laptops. Theirs are Apple, and for all I know
already have Jupyter Notebooks installed.

Currently, I teach MIT Scratch to kids, which Coding with Kids (a company)
sees as a bridge to Python, which we also share, via Codesters.com, both
on-line platforms offering free accounts.

The head office creates the accounts and passwords and the kids learn to
log into them.  Many of them are quite young (not the Python students, more
like middle school).  We do not currently teach about Jupyter Notebooks.

My adult students do get a lot of about Jupyter Notebooks from me?. I
consider this technology rather integral to learning Python for workplace
use.

We use a Google Drive to share the files, but students do not need a Google
account to access the drive, only the link. Most my classes are BYOD so
it's up to each student to configure a local platform.  They might be using
Ubuntu.

You're right that requiring students to have Google accounts can be
problematic.  Like you say, as minors they're too young to navigate the
fine print.  Most oldsters don't carefully read the EULAs either (that's
Microsoft terminology).

However education is all about self teaching and many students freely
choose to avail of Google's services, starting with Gmail.  For this
reason, I don't worry about sharing news of this service on edu-sig,
leaving it to individuals to make their own choices.

Kirby
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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Mon May 28 12:59:33 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 12:59:33 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Google Colab
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References: <CAPJgG3RWW=DVDkR-QCdfAzyVOek-XOGcmqMoaKr88KyQtXE9kw@mail.gmail.com>
 <20180528080148.xhckkgo227c7tiiz@portux.lan.naturalnet.de>
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Message-ID: <CACfEFw_HFOfybFY2i29hCCpjX8K2+kpr=fEfUDbJjMJ_Au9xmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Google Family Link is specifically for kids. IDK if it works with Colab
hosted notebooks. There's a Jupyter gdrive extension which should work with
any schools that have signed up for Google Apps for Education. AFAIU,
there's yet no automated integration between e.g. nbgrader and Google
Classroom like there now is for EdX.

https://github.com/ibleducation/jupyter-edx-grader-xblock

I believe most Terms of Service specifically preclude registration by kids
under 13 in order to comply with COPPA (which apparently doesn't apply to
ISPs selling internet history without opt-in).

 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Online_Privacy_Protection_Act

On Monday, May 28, 2018, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 1:01 AM, Dominik George <nik at naturalnet.de> wrote:
>
>
>> Please do NOT use such tools in education.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Nik
>>
>
> ?Good point Nik.
>
> My only concrete plan to use Jupyter Notebooks in the classroom is during
> a summer camp next month. My expectation is we'll install the Anaconda
> distro either on OSX or Windows depending on whether Reed College wants
> Saturday Academy to provide its own laptops. Theirs are Apple, and for all
> I know already have Jupyter Notebooks installed.
>
> Currently, I teach MIT Scratch to kids, which Coding with Kids (a company)
> sees as a bridge to Python, which we also share, via Codesters.com, both
> on-line platforms offering free accounts.
>
> The head office creates the accounts and passwords and the kids learn to
> log into them.  Many of them are quite young (not the Python students, more
> like middle school).  We do not currently teach about Jupyter Notebooks.
>
> My adult students do get a lot of about Jupyter Notebooks from me?. I
> consider this technology rather integral to learning Python for workplace
> use.
>
> We use a Google Drive to share the files, but students do not need a
> Google account to access the drive, only the link. Most my classes are BYOD
> so it's up to each student to configure a local platform.  They might be
> using Ubuntu.
>
> You're right that requiring students to have Google accounts can be
> problematic.  Like you say, as minors they're too young to navigate the
> fine print.  Most oldsters don't carefully read the EULAs either (that's
> Microsoft terminology).
>
> However education is all about self teaching and many students freely
> choose to avail of Google's services, starting with Gmail.  For this
> reason, I don't worry about sharing news of this service on edu-sig,
> leaving it to individuals to make their own choices.
>
> Kirby
>
>
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From wes.turner at gmail.com  Mon May 28 13:15:08 2018
From: wes.turner at gmail.com (Wes Turner)
Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 13:15:08 -0400
Subject: [Edu-sig] Google Colab
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On Monday, May 28, 2018, kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Wes or someone may have linked to this already. Just tuned it in myself:
>
> https://colab.research.google.com/notebooks/basic_features_overview.ipynb
>

CoLab is pretty cool. They have GPU instances.
Kaggle also has GPU instances now with Kernels and Learn.
https://www.kaggle.com/kernels
https://www.kaggle.com/learn/overview

We worked on a Kaggle data science competition as a team of individuals
teaching each other through our local Python Users Group. It was a house
prices prediction competition; similar to the well-known Boston house
prices dataset included with scikit-learn.

There are a bunch of hosted Jupyter Notebook services now:
https://github.com/markusschanta/awesome-jupyter/blob/master/README.md#hosted-notebook-solutions

To host local instances of Jupyter for a group of size n, there are
JupyterHub 'spawners' and 'authenticators'.

https://zero-to-jupyterhub.readthedocs.io/en/latest/

https://github.com/jupyterhub/jupyterhub/wiki/Spawners

https://github.com/jupyterhub/jupyterhub/wiki/Authenticators


Gvisor is strongly recommended for sandboxing hosted containers with Docker:
https://github.com/google/gvisor


Binder builds upon JupyterHub but doesn't have auth yet:
https://github.com/jupyterhub/binderhub/issues/323


>
> That's Google's way of letting us use Jupyter Notebooks in the cloud and
> to share them on Google Drive.
>

Storage:
https://github.com/jupyter/jupyter-drive

Storage + Real-time collaboration:
https://github.com/jupyterlab/jupyterlab-google-drive


>
> I see where students would benefit, not that this is the first or only
> cloud-based environment.  Another great tool.
>
> Kirby
>
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From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue May 29 15:20:56 2018
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 12:20:56 -0700
Subject: [Edu-sig] contemporary Jupyter Notebooks for Python students
 (exhibit)
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A couple links to Jupyter Notebooks I'll be going over tonight, with my
Python students.

The focus is data science however I'm a big believer in showcasing the
pandas ecosystem from the beginning.

I'll mostly be in Show & Tell mode, but then take excerpts, such as my
Galton Board bell curvy Pascal's Triangle thing, and bring it up in Spyder
for deeper analysis. [1]

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/PYT_DS_SAISOFT_MPL_01.ipynb

https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/PYT_DS_SAISOFT_MPL_02.ipynb

The second one is especially focused on geospatial displays, prototypical
of what high schools tackle.

Kirby

[1]
https://github.com/4dsolutions/Python5/blob/master/STEM%20Mathematics.ipynb

(scroll down for Pascal's Triangle)
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From sergio_r at mail.com  Thu May 31 12:33:31 2018
From: sergio_r at mail.com (Sergio Rojas)
Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 18:33:31 +0200
Subject: [Edu-sig] Prealgebra via Python programming
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