Thank you Kirby for this report/summarise, this is very interesting. :)<br><br>You said:<br>"Will we eventually have some sort of Python-based hypercard-like
browser plug-in, facilitating easy publishing by students and
incorporating what's already worked well in Squeak? If yes, then so
much the better. Peers i.e. teachers (including the more advanced
students) will write lessons around it."<br><br>I think this would be great. I find the Squeak plugin good since and you can interact with and program "squeaklets" (E-Toys or Squeak) in your browser and publish your projects on the web.
<br> <br><br>You said:<br>"Momentum seems to be building for a stronger graphics engine, either 2D
or 3D, with Python bindings, that'll run interactively from within a
browser. The Squeak folks may be willing to contribute to this effort.
Guido feels we'll need to recruit new talent for this, as the Python
community is currently pretty maxed out on projects."<br><br>Did Alan Kay talked about opencroquet ? I find their last demo very convincing:<br><a href="http://am.mediasite.com/am/viewer/Viewer.aspx?layoutPrefix=LayoutLargeVideo&layoutOffset=Skins/Clean&width=881&height=648&peid=172f6de5-135b-4ba0-9207-ac6d383812c9&pid=fc503ef3-4a4e-44a6-b289-c915d8bf7bd3&pvid=502&mode=Default&shouldResize=false&playerType=WM64Lite">
video</a><br><br>On their FAQ they said they will/want to provide Python binding with it (it's written in Squeak). On their Blogs they say version 1.0 will come-out "soon" and it will be completely open to gather a community around it.
<br>Obviously will have to see if it's stable enough, quick enough, not to" heavy" on hardware etc ... but I find the demo (and the concepts behind) already very impressive.<br><br>Concerning a Logo "substitute" I haven't tried rur-ple yet but I will (the doc seems excellent).
<br><br>I've tried something called "Scratch" (written in Squeak) which in my opinion is simpler than E-Toys and yet very powerful notably for Logo types activity. The first public released of Scratch will happen this summer and I believe it will be successful:
<br><a href="http://llk.media.mit.edu/projects/summaries/scratch.shtml">http://llk.media.mit.edu/projects/summaries/scratch.shtml</a><br><br>I find both Python and Squeak communities very interesting in particular for education and complementary in some fileds (for now I try to use
<a href="http://pcsm1.u-strasbg.fr/liberlab/englishversion/images/">the "best" of both world</a>.)<br><br>I really hope more bridges will happen between the two (or at least learn from each other).<br><br>Interesting times, please keep us updated :)
<br><br>francois<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 13/04/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">kirby urner</b> <<a href="mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org">email@example.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
This meeting is in process now. I'm taking notes in real time in my blog:<br><a href="http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2006/04/shuttleworth-summit-day-one.html">http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2006/04/shuttleworth-summit-day-one.html
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