From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Jun  1 11:02:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 12:02:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython2002: Extention of Early-Bird registration
Message-ID: <007901c20953$82fe3ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Due to the fact that at the end of the early-bird date, lot's of people
waked up and registered for the congress  (and because of the possible
internet problems caused by the bancruptcy of KPNQwest), we've extended
the early bird until 9th of June. We hope that the doubters among us,
will find this interesting now that they are still able to profit from
the early bird registration. But be warned, this is the final date!

At the moment we've reached a total of more than 150 people at the
EuroPython congress. That's already nice for a first congress, but it
should be more.... Don't you think you could make great deals with
people over there? There must be somebody to whom you can speak about a
certain problem. With 150 people, it must be possible to make some
friends or to see some old ones back... It can't be that Europe has only
such a small group of Python and/or Zope developers/users. What about
people outside of Europe? Have you seen the talks? It must be worthwhile
to pay a visit to the conference.... and if not... well enjoy the
Belgian beer, chocolates and food..... that's something I'm sure you
will never forget!

And now the early bird registration has been extended, .... so if you
had doubts earlier, throw them away and just visit EuroPython2002!

Don't forget to visit the http://europython.zope.nl/interviews page,
which will be regulary updated with new interviews of people comming to
EuroPython2002.

Regards,
EuroPython Team.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Jun  1 12:33:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 13:33:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews
Message-ID: <010201c20961$c7cca330$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Is somebody already interviewing Guido or ESR?
If not, let's do this, they are the keynote speakers, so we definately
need an interview from them.

Some Zope related interviews will be online soon.

Regards,
Tom.





From denis@aragne.com  Sat Jun  1 14:26:32 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:26:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython2002: Extention of Early-Bird registration
In-Reply-To: <007901c20953$82fe3ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <007901c20953$82fe3ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020601152632.M11346@carolo.net>

Le Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:02:56PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
>=20
> Due to the fact that at the end of the early-bird date, lot's of
> people waked up and registered for the congress [...]

I must confess the first reason for extending the pre-registration
is we're late with a massive mailing to enterprises. We prepared a
letter with a statement about an early bird fee, and this letter
could only be sent yesterday. So we had to adapt and we let another
week delay. Since we can't propose this delay to some and not to the
other ones, everyone can benefit from us being late.

Anyway, I'm glad to announce we've reached a break even point with the
budget. Every new subcription will bring "du beurre dans les =E9pinards"
and will result in more services, more gifts, more surprises ...
The sun is shining in Belgium!=20

Our only regret is that we lost the opportunity to show to the world
how great our European Python/Zope community is. From this point of=20
view, that's not the big success we were waiting for.

But it's no time for regrets. Thanks to all of you who already
subscribed : you won't regret your trip! :-)

Denis

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From robert@redcor.ch  Sat Jun  1 14:51:22 2002
From: robert@redcor.ch (Robert Rottermann)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 15:51:22 +0200
Subject: [Zope] Re: [EuroPython] EuroPython2002: Extention of Early-Bird registration
References: <007901c20953$82fe3ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020601152632.M11346@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <000701c20973$6a6cf610$3014a2d9@karin>

And why cant you show how great the european zope community is?
RR
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Frere" <denis@aragne.com>
To: <europython@python.org>; <eurozope@comlounge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2002 3:26 PM
Subject: [Zope] Re: [EuroPython] EuroPython2002: Extention of Early-Bird
registration


Le Sat, Jun 01, 2002 at 12:02:56PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
>
> Due to the fact that at the end of the early-bird date, lot's of
> people waked up and registered for the congress [...]

I must confess the first reason for extending the pre-registration
is we're late with a massive mailing to enterprises. We prepared a
letter with a statement about an early bird fee, and this letter
could only be sent yesterday. So we had to adapt and we let another
week delay. Since we can't propose this delay to some and not to the
other ones, everyone can benefit from us being late.

Anyway, I'm glad to announce we've reached a break even point with the
budget. Every new subcription will bring "du beurre dans les épinards"
and will result in more services, more gifts, more surprises ...
The sun is shining in Belgium!

Our only regret is that we lost the opportunity to show to the world
how great our European Python/Zope community is. From this point of
view, that's not the big success we were waiting for.

But it's no time for regrets. Thanks to all of you who already
subscribed : you won't regret your trip! :-)

Denis

--
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P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat Jun  1 17:14:41 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 18:14:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews
In-Reply-To: <010201c20961$c7cca330$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <010201c20961$c7cca330$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020601161441.GA31777@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Is somebody already interviewing Guido or ESR?

I asked Guido if we could interview him, and he said fine. We (that is,
Shae) are in the process of composing a list of questions for him. If
anyone has any questions for him, please followup and we'll add the good
ones. :) We should send these questions soon.

For ESR we have our own specialist, Denis. I imagine it'll be harder to
get an interview with him, but no loss trying.

[snip]
> Some Zope related interviews will be online soon.

Great!

Regards,

Martijn




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Sun Jun  2 12:22:45 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:22:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <20020531161645.GA28239@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206021322200.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Not slashdot, but newsforge, lwn, linux today, vaults of parnassus, 
> daily python url, python url, and the comp.lang.python.* newsgroups.
> 
> I've seen it show up on newsforge and the daily python url already (and
> obviously on usenet).

And yesterday it was on LWN.

Yeah ! :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun Jun  2 12:58:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2002 13:58:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
Message-ID: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Some people 'complaind' because of the rather expensive hotels, and this
we understand. For this we arranged the following:

http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/index_html

It looks like that news release didn't reach much people. So, tell it
further to everybody you know who would like to come and just isn't able
to come because of the expensive hotels

You've two possible stays there:

night 23 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )
night 17 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )

Regards,

Tom.






From nico@tekNico.net  Mon Jun  3 09:37:27 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 10:37:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
References: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CFB2AC7.1000806@tekNico.net>

> http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/index_html
 > ...
> You've two possible stays there:
> 
> night 23 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )

Those are 2-bed rooms.


> night 17 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )

While those are 8-bed rooms.


I reserved a bed in a 2-bed room at the Adeps reservation page:

http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/reservation

By the way, I need to stay the 28/29 night too, but the form would not let 
me say that. Please, P3B, let me know whether I have to book a room in 
another hotel. :^(

Should anybody wish to share the room, I assure being clean and noiseless. :^)

Since Loverval is a bit far from CEME ( 
http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation/#distance ), does P3B envision some 
common means of transportations too? What are the public transport 
opportunities?

I am copying all this to the Attendees Wiki too:

http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/ShareHotelRoom


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun  3 10:02:37 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:02:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
References: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CFB2AC7.1000806@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <3CFB30AD.3060900@lemburg.com>

Nicola Larosa wrote:
>> http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/index_html
> 
>  > ...
> 
>> You've two possible stays there:
>>
>> night 23 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )
> 
> 
> Those are 2-bed rooms.
> 
> 
>> night 17 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )
> 
> 
> While those are 8-bed rooms.
> 
> 
> I reserved a bed in a 2-bed room at the Adeps reservation page:
> 
> http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/reservation
> 
> By the way, I need to stay the 28/29 night too, but the form would not 
> let me say that. Please, P3B, let me know whether I have to book a room 
> in another hotel. :^(

The EuroPython team can't take care of organizing your hotel, sorry.
Why don't you call up the hotel by telephone ?

> Should anybody wish to share the room, I assure being clean and 
> noiseless. :^)
> 
> Since Loverval is a bit far from CEME ( 
> http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation/#distance ), does P3B envision 
> some common means of transportations too? 

No. You should either use public transport or share a taxi.

> What are the public transport opportunities?

	http://europython.zope.nl/location

The wiki also has a map of Charleroi which should be helpful.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun  3 10:28:52 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:28:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
References: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CFB2AC7.1000806@tekNico.net> <3CFB30AD.3060900@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <032701c20ae1$134c1db0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Nicola Larosa wrote:
>>> http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/index_html
>>
>>  > ...
>>
>>> You've two possible stays there:
>>>
>>> night 23 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )
>>
>>
>> Those are 2-bed rooms.

Correct.
>>
>>> night 17 euro / person (Breakfast, Taxes, insurances, included )
>>
>>
>> While those are 8-bed rooms.

Correct
>>

It's a youth hostel.

>> I reserved a bed in a 2-bed room at the Adeps reservation page:
>>
>> http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/reservation
>>
>> By the way, I need to stay the 28/29 night too, but the form would
>> not let me say that. Please, P3B, let me know whether I have to book
>> a room in another hotel. :^(

Mmm, Fran=E7ois, the person who is in contact with the youth hostel, can
give you more information. I CC him.
Know however that during the weekends, there is likely no place
available.
Fran=E7ois, what about the night of 28 till 29?

> The EuroPython team can't take care of organizing your hotel, sorry.
> Why don't you call up the hotel by telephone ?

Correct, but concerning the youth hostel, we have a go-between: It's
Fran=E7ois! :-)
For all your questions concerning the youth hostel:
mailto:adeps.info@p3b.org

>> Should anybody wish to share the room, I assure being clean and
>> noiseless. :^)
>>
>> Since Loverval is a bit far from CEME (
>> http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation/#distance ), does P3B
>> envision some common means of transportations too?
>
> No. You should either use public transport or share a taxi.
>
>> What are the public transport opportunities?
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/location
>
> The wiki also has a map of Charleroi which should be helpful.

Perhaps, we could do somehting about this. Fran=E7ois, is it possible to
make up some pages which contains the different transport means of
travel to and from the conference building / accommodations.  This
information is more directer. Our visitors don't have to look for this
information anymore.
They can use your instructions.

Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun  3 10:49:15 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 11:49:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
References: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CFB2AC7.1000806@tekNico.net> <3CFB30AD.3060900@lemburg.com> <032701c20ae1$134c1db0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CFB3B9B.5080809@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>>What are the public transport opportunities?
>>
>>http://europython.zope.nl/location
>>
>>The wiki also has a map of Charleroi which should be helpful.

Here's how to get from the airport to the city:
http://www.charleroi-airport.com/eng/aerop_art_liaisons.htm

Here's a metro map:
http://www.metropla.net/eu/cha/charleroi.htm

This is the company doing the public transports in Charleroi:
http://www.tec-charleroi.be/

> Perhaps, we could do somehting about this. Fran=E7ois, is it possible t=
o
> make up some pages which contains the different transport means of
> travel to and from the conference building / accommodations.  This
> information is more directer. Our visitors don't have to look for this
> information anymore.
> They can use your instructions.

Good idea.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From oli@aragne.com  Mon Jun  3 10:56:31 2002
From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 11:56:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview with Itamar now online
In-Reply-To: <20020531165249.GA28577@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020531164359.GA28543@vet.uu.nl> <20020531165249.GA28577@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020603095631.GB3432@debian>

On ven, 31 mai 2002, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Trying a news item, but the text in it (as shown on the main page)
> seems to be fairly arbitrarily cut off. Is there some way to fix that?

The news summary only shows 256 characters. To fix it would mean modifying
the product.

-- 
Olivier Laurent.
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From oli@aragne.com  Mon Jun  3 11:38:17 2002
From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:38:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview with Itamar now online
In-Reply-To: <20020603095631.GB3432@debian>
References: <20020531164359.GA28543@vet.uu.nl> <20020531165249.GA28577@vet.uu.nl> <20020603095631.GB3432@debian>
Message-ID: <20020603103817.GA3708@debian>

On lun, 03 jun 2002, Olivier Laurent wrote:
> On ven, 31 mai 2002, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > Trying a news item, but the text in it (as shown on the main page)
> > seems to be fairly arbitrarily cut off. Is there some way to fix that?
> 
> The news summary only shows 256 characters. To fix it would mean modifying
> the product.

Sorry, the problem is not there. The 'getNewsSummary' method only returns
the first 100 characters from the news summary. I modified the method to
returns 256 characters now. I didn't noticed problems with it butt tell I
need to change it back.

-- 
Olivier Laurent.
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun  3 11:51:41 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 12:51:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview with Itamar now online
References: <20020531164359.GA28543@vet.uu.nl> <20020531165249.GA28577@vet.uu.nl> <20020603095631.GB3432@debian> <20020603103817.GA3708@debian>
Message-ID: <05b001c20aec$a50568f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Sorry, the problem is not there. The 'getNewsSummary' method only
> returns the first 100 characters from the news summary. I modified
> the method to returns 256 characters now. I didn't noticed problems
> with it butt tell I need to change it back.

No problems, that 100 characters was something I used long ago. 256 is
perhaps better, although some news boxes can now be stretched a lot when
using low resolution

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun  3 13:31:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 14:31:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Interview
Message-ID: <070901c20afa$9cbc8ee0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Howdy,

Paul Everitt has managed to interview Steve Alexander and Stephan
Richter, leaders in the Zope community and Zope 3 development in
particular.
You can read the interview at :
http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/steve_stephan_zope

Regards,
Tom.




From nico@tekNico.net  Mon Jun  3 13:59:31 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 14:59:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
References: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CFB2AC7.1000806@tekNico.net> <3CFB30AD.3060900@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CFB6833.4060201@tekNico.net>

 > The EuroPython team can't take care of organizing your hotel, sorry.
 > Why don't you call up the hotel by telephone ?

Because I've been told not to do so:

"All reservation in this youth-hostel must be centralized by P3B"
http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation

:^)


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun  3 14:14:50 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 15:14:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
References: <008501c20a2c$c2885ab0$a18d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CFB2AC7.1000806@tekNico.net> <3CFB30AD.3060900@lemburg.com> <3CFB6833.4060201@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <3CFB6BCA.1030905@lemburg.com>

Nicola Larosa wrote:
>  > The EuroPython team can't take care of organizing your hotel, sorry.
>  > Why don't you call up the hotel by telephone ?
>=20
> Because I've been told not to do so:
>=20
> "All reservation in this youth-hostel must be centralized by P3B"
> http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation
>=20
> :^)

Touch=E9e :-)

I'll forward your note to Denis; hopefully, he knows the
correct answer.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun  3 16:03:22 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2002 17:03:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting is now
Message-ID: <3CFB853A.7050204@lemburg.com>

Just to remind you: the weekly IRC meeting is now on IRC
channel #europython.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From adeps.info@p3b.org  Mon Jun  3 16:30:31 2002
From: adeps.info@p3b.org (Adeps-info-P3B-Team)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 17:30:31 +0200
Subject: Fw: [EuroPython] EuroPython: Expensive Hotels
In-Reply-To: <039301c20ae1$e9eb5a70$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <039301c20ae1$e9eb5a70$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020603153031.GA17851@aragne.com>

On Mon, Jun 03, 2002 at 11:34:52AM +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:
> Sorry François, I forgot to include you in this mail.
> 
> Please reply to these on europython@python.org

Ok

> 
> 
> > >> I reserved a bed in a 2-bed room at the Adeps reservation page:
> > >>
> > >> http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/reservation
> > >>
> > >> By the way, I need to stay the 28/29 night too, but the form would
> > >> not let me say that. Please, P3B, let me know whether I have to
> book
> > >> a room in another hotel. :^(
> 
>  Mmm, François, the person who is in contact with the youth hostel, can
> give you more information. I CC him.
> Know however that during the weekends, there is likely no place
> available.
> François, what about the night of 28 till 29?
> 
> > > The EuroPython team can't take care of organizing your hotel, sorry.
> > > Why don't you call up the hotel by telephone ?
> 
>  Correct, but concerning the youth hostel, we have a go-between: It's
> François! :-)
> For all your questions concerning the youth hostel:
> mailto:adeps.info@p3b.org
> >
> > >> Should anybody wish to share the room, I assure being clean and
> > >> noiseless. :^)

if you don't find someone ... we do it for you ...

when you have the tickets to go to Adeps you can organise by yourself to
find affinity-sleepers.

> > >>
> > >> Since Loverval is a bit far from CEME (
> > >> http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation/#distance ), does P3B
> > >> envision some common means of transportations too?
> > >
> > > No. You should either use public transport or share a taxi.
> > >
> > >> What are the public transport opportunities?
> > >
> > > http://europython.zope.nl/location
> > >
> > > The wiki also has a map of Charleroi which should be helpful.
> >
> Perhaps, we could do somehting about this. François, is it possible to
> make up some pages which contains the different transport means of
> travel to and from the conference building / accommodations.  This
> information is more directer. Our visitors don't have to look for this
> information anymore. They can use your instructions.
> 

sure there is a request ... i do my best to add it on the site
"europython.p3b.org/adeps/" before the end of the week ..

Regards,

François
P3B Member
-- 
...........................
. Adeps - Info            .
.                         .
. adeps.info@p3b.org      .
. -                       .
. Europython Conference   .
. 2002                    .
. www.europython.org      .   
. -                       .
. P3b         www.p3b.org .
. Gnu/Linux Python & Zope . 
...........................



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun  3 21:32:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 22:32:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To All Track Champions
Message-ID: <020c01c20b3d$fd1fde70$a18d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

It's time to close the doors concerning the talks and tracks.
The *deadline*  is 9th of June. By then all talks and tutorials should
be entered in the talks database and have status to 'confirmed'.
All entries of the talks should have: abstract, correct time/day,
biography, mail, ... of the speaker.
It is the intention that this information will be used in the broshures,
so we would like to have a nice filled broshure.

Further also add all speakers to the registration database as 'speaker'
and 'free'. If you can't do this, pass me the speakers to me, with their
email address and company they are working for and I'll add them to the
database.

Thanks in advance,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun  4 09:39:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 10:39:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BoF's
Message-ID: <014901c20ba3$62919cc0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

BoF's can be entered in the talks database as well.

Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun  4 10:10:52 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 11:10:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BoF's
References: <014901c20ba3$62919cc0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CFC841C.6030504@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> BoF's can be entered in the talks database as well.

Great !

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun  4 11:20:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:20:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BoF's
References: <014901c20ba3$62919cc0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CFC841C.6030504@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CFC9473.9010806@lemburg.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
>> BoF's can be entered in the talks database as well.
> 
> 
> Great !

Hmm, I can enter BoFs, but they are not selectable in
the talk database page on the web-site and they also
don't show up when all fields are selected.

When I press reset filter, I get a Zope Error:

Zope Error

Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.

Error Type: TALESError
Error Value: exceptions.KeyError on BusinessBofs in ""


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun  4 11:31:20 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 12:31:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BoF's
References: <014901c20ba3$62919cc0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CFC841C.6030504@lemburg.com> <3CFC9473.9010806@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01e101c20bb2$f7c740b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Try again,
it should work ;-)

Tom.

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> Tom Deprez wrote:
>> 
>>> BoF's can be entered in the talks database as well.
>> 
>> 
>> Great !
> 
> Hmm, I can enter BoFs, but they are not selectable in
> the talk database page on the web-site and they also
> don't show up when all fields are selected.
> 
> When I press reset filter, I get a Zope Error:
> 
> Zope Error
> 
> Zope has encountered an error while publishing this resource.
> 
> Error Type: TALESError
> Error Value: exceptions.KeyError on BusinessBofs in ""
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun  4 11:35:41 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 04 Jun 2002 12:35:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BoF's
References: <014901c20ba3$62919cc0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CFC841C.6030504@lemburg.com> <3CFC9473.9010806@lemburg.com> <01e101c20bb2$f7c740b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CFC97FD.4030002@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Try again,
> it should work ;-)

Thanks. It's working now :-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun  4 12:29:41 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:29:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
Message-ID: <025901c20bbb$213449e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Interview with co-founder of Zope Corporation, Paul Everitt online:
http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/paul_everitt






From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr  Tue Jun  4 12:41:48 2002
From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:41:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
References: <025901c20bbb$213449e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <01a501c20bbc$d083f020$6300010a@kashmir>

Hi there,

We (Zopera) can donnate a Jim interview that we did last january.

Here it is :
http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/fulton_iv_2002

We also have a translated version in french :
http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/fulton_iv_2002_vf

Interested ? (I can give you the STX source if needed). I will just ask you
to give the link to the original interview :

Cheers,

Olivier.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: <europython@python.org>; <eurozope@comlounge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview


> Interview with co-founder of Zope Corporation, Paul Everitt online:
> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/paul_everitt
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun  4 12:51:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 13:51:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
References: <025901c20bbb$213449e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <01a501c20bbc$d083f020$6300010a@kashmir>
Message-ID: <02c001c20bbe$39f82250$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Olivier,

Great, I'm also doing an interview with Jim right now,

so I'm not sure what to do right now.

Tom.

Olivier Deckmyn wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> We (Zopera) can donnate a Jim interview that we did last january.
>
> Here it is :
> http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/fulton_iv_2002
>
> We also have a translated version in french :
> http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/fulton_iv_2002_vf
>
> Interested ? (I can give you the STX source if needed). I will just
> ask you to give the link to the original interview :
>
> Cheers,
>
> Olivier.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> To: <europython@python.org>; <eurozope@comlounge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:29 PM
> Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
>
>
>> Interview with co-founder of Zope Corporation, Paul Everitt online:
>> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/paul_everitt
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr  Tue Jun  4 13:01:59 2002
From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 14:01:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
References: <025901c20bbb$213449e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <01a501c20bbc$d083f020$6300010a@kashmir> <02c001c20bbe$39f82250$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <022501c20bbf$a17825a0$6300010a@kashmir>

Ok. Just tell !!!

If you like the content of the Zopera's one, I would say : do another
interview with someone else :)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: "Olivier Deckmyn" <odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] New Interview


> Hi Olivier,
>
> Great, I'm also doing an interview with Jim right now,
>
> so I'm not sure what to do right now.
>
> Tom.
>
> Olivier Deckmyn wrote:
> > Hi there,
> >
> > We (Zopera) can donnate a Jim interview that we did last january.
> >
> > Here it is :
> > http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/fulton_iv_2002
> >
> > We also have a translated version in french :
> > http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/fulton_iv_2002_vf
> >
> > Interested ? (I can give you the STX source if needed). I will just
> > ask you to give the link to the original interview :
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Olivier.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> > To: <europython@python.org>; <eurozope@comlounge.net>; <zope@zope.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:29 PM
> > Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
> >
> >
> >> Interview with co-founder of Zope Corporation, Paul Everitt online:
> >> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/paul_everitt
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> EuroPython mailing list
> >> EuroPython@python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tom mailing list
> > Tom@aragne.com
> > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
>




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed Jun  5 21:33:11 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:33:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
In-Reply-To: <02c001c20bbe$39f82250$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <025901c20bbb$213449e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <01a501c20bbc$d083f020$6300010a@kashmir> <02c001c20bbe$39f82250$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020605203311.GA10567@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Great, I'm also doing an interview with Jim right now,
> 
> so I'm not sure what to do right now.

A new interview with Jim is always interesting, if we can come up
with some new and interesting topics!

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed Jun  5 21:45:59 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 22:45:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] spread the news a bit
Message-ID: <20020605204559.GB10567@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I just spread the news a bit on the 3 new interviews to lwn.net,
linuxtoday.com, comp.lang.python.*, zope-announce, the python-url
and newsforge.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun  6 11:02:44 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:02:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview Eric S. Raymond
Message-ID: <035c01c20d41$4d8089a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Interview with Eric S. Raymond online:

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/eric_raymond

Regards,
EuroPython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun  6 11:05:25 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2002 12:05:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython website
Message-ID: <037201c20d41$adc688a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

Is somebody working on the frame-problem with the website? 
Godefroid, I believe you were looking at it. 

Tom.






From seb@jamkit.com  Fri Jun  7 11:13:27 2002
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 11:13:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Sprint
Message-ID: <3D008747.70902@jamkit.com>

What are the plans for the Z3 sprint?  Will it be fitted somewhere in 
the Zope Track, or outside the conference?  (just trying to work out 
travel dates, etc)

seb




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun  7 11:22:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:22:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Sprint
References: <3D008747.70902@jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <026d01c20e0d$2ebf5510$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Seb,

This is outside the conference, during the days 21 till 23 June
More information can be received at Paul Everitt.

Regards,
Tom.


seb bacon wrote:
> What are the plans for the Z3 sprint?  Will it be fitted somewhere in
> the Zope Track, or outside the conference?  (just trying to work out
> travel dates, etc)
> 
> seb
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From denis@aragne.com  Fri Jun  7 11:47:21 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 12:47:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Sprint
In-Reply-To: <026d01c20e0d$2ebf5510$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <3D008747.70902@jamkit.com> <026d01c20e0d$2ebf5510$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020607124721.K2482@carolo.net>

Le Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:22:09PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Seb,
> 
> This is outside the conference, during the days 21 till 23 June

???
23-24-25 June

> More information can be received at Paul Everitt.

Confirmation, Paul ?

Regards,

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun  7 12:07:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 13:07:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Sprint
References: <3D008747.70902@jamkit.com> <026d01c20e0d$2ebf5510$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020607124721.K2482@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <028501c20e13$7b694820$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
> Le Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:22:09PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
>> Seb,
>>
>> This is outside the conference, during the days 21 till 23 June
>
> ???
> 23-24-25 June

Oooooops..... Sorry! My mistake, this happens with too much sleep :-=B0

It's 23-24-25 June (I watched one month later on the calendar...)

>> More information can be received at Paul Everitt.
>
> Confirmation, Paul ?
>
> Regards,
>
> Denis
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From paul@zope.com  Fri Jun  7 12:15:58 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 07:15:58 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Sprint
References: <3D008747.70902@jamkit.com> <026d01c20e0d$2ebf5510$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020607124721.K2482@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3D0095EE.1040703@zope.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
> Le Fri, Jun 07, 2002 at 12:22:09PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
>=20
>>Seb,
>>
>>This is outside the conference, during the days 21 till 23 June
>=20
> ???
> 23-24-25 June
>=20
>>More information can be received at Paul Everitt.
>=20
> Confirmation, Paul ?

Confirmation, web page:
=20
http://dev.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/EuroPyth=
on2002Sprint

There's still room available.  I'd love to have you participate.

--Paul




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun  7 12:46:26 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2002 13:46:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Last call for early birds
Message-ID: <3D009D12.9080309@lemburg.com>

Just thought I'd let you know:

This Sunday is the last day of the extended early-bird registration
period. Starting next Monday online registrations will cost EUR 250,
the on-site registration is EUR 300, so registering now pays off --
you can save up to EUR 100.00 !

	http://europython.zope.nl/registration

Meanwhile, we're moving along nicely, the talk database is packed
with interesting talks and keynotes. Also expect a very busy BoF
and lightning talks morning on day three of the conference.

See you at the conference,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mvm@brutele.be  Sat Jun  8 18:47:45 2002
From: mvm@brutele.be (vincent)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2002 19:47:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] sorry it's just a test
Message-ID: <000a01c20f14$994e18f0$68ff44d4@gfx1>

C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties.

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20F25.5C739340
Content-Type: text/plain;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20F25.5C739340
Content-Type: text/html;
	charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN">
<HTML><HEAD>
<META content=3D"text/html; charset=3Diso-8859-1" =
http-equiv=3DContent-Type>
<META content=3D"MSHTML 5.00.2920.0" name=3DGENERATOR>
<STYLE></STYLE>
</HEAD>
<BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C20F25.5C739340--




From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Sun Jun  9 18:45:02 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2002 19:45:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython.org i18n
Message-ID: <3D03941E.7050100@nuxeo.com>

Hi all,

The internationalization is finished. Well, most of it. Exceptions:

  - Things that won't be internationalized: images, zwikis, etc..

  - Things that I still have to do: dates.

  - Things that I missed (involuntarily): ??

  - Things that I missed (hoping nobody notices it ;-): some templates
    in the registration section.


So, this is a call for translators to localize the web site. What
follows are some instructions on how to do it.

Basically, three resources have been used to do the job: a message
catalog that lives in the root of the web site (named "gettext");
many LocalContent objects (more than 80); and a LocalFolder object
that was used in the "Exhibitors" section.

All these objects have a tab named "Languages", you can use it to add
your language if it isn't already there.

If there's any problem with the user interfaces just ask me, directly
or through the mailing list; I guess the most complex one is the
LocalFolder.

You can find more information in the wiki:

  http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation

Please, use it to keep track of the changes in the content and its
translations. This is also for content managers that update the
original information in english.

Translators will need access to the management screens, I think
Tom is the one you should talk with to request a login (right??).


That's all!

-- 
J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com
Zope developer (http://www.zope.org)





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun Jun  9 22:41:57 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2002 23:41:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Adepts
Message-ID: <008701c20ffe$a0f29f00$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

If you're staying at the adept, have a look here :

http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/public_transport

Don't forget to pay yours nights quickly. (before the 15th of june to be
sure to have the room reserved)

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 09:32:55 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:32:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: EuroPython payment
Message-ID: <006001c2105a$9c671ea0$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

Mmm, what to do with this???

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Shekhar Raj Bastakoti" <bshekhar_raj@hotmail.com>
To: <tom@aragne.com>
Sent: Monday, June 10, 2002 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: EuroPython payment


> Dear Sir,
> We are grateful to you for your timely notice about the payment for
> EuroPython Conference being held in Belgium from June 26-28, 2002. We
two
> people are willing to participate the program for which we have
registered.
> We do not have Credit Cards and we chose SWIFT payment but the banks
denied
> the payment without visa. We would like to request you to allow us to
pay
> the fees on the commencement. We request you to guide us the way how
we can
> get good accomodation during our stay there. We would be grateful to
you if
> you could send us an invitation letter, a letter of registration
> confirmation and a hotel booking for us.
> We assure you we will pay every fee that we have to pay. Pls, consider
our
> sincerest request to you.
> The name of one candidate was spelled wrongly ,so, please, find the
> corrected names as furnished below.
> 1.Mr. Dilli Raman Poudel--- Passport No:1304062
> 2.Mr. Indra Bahadur Chhetri-Passport No:1128957
> If you could fax us the documents sooner, we will be able to pay you
the
> fees and accomodation before our departure from Nepal.
>
> Thanking you in advance for your kind cooperation and earliest
response.
> Sincerely Yours,
> Dilli Raman Poudel
> Indra Bahadur Adhikari
> Nepal Environment Consciousness Society
> Dhobidhara-33, 33/126, GPO BOX8975EPC5411,
> Kathmandu,Nepal.
> Phone:00977-1-434846
> Fax:00977-1-220161
>
>
>
> >From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> >Reply-To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> >To: <bshekhar_raj@hotmail.com>
> >CC: <js@aixtraware.de>
> >Subject: EuroPython payment
> >Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2002 17:05:26 +0200
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >We just saw that you registered two persons for EuroPython 2002.
> >Thank you! We're looking forward to meet you there.
> >
> >However, there is something wrong with your payment.
> >You've choosen for the 250EUR payment, while you still are allowed to
> >choose the 200 EUR payment. (it looks like we forget to adjust
something
> >in the database, because of the early bird extension, where sorry for
> >that).
> >
> >So, please be sure only to pay at the base of 200 EUR, instead 250
EUR
> >
> >thus in total for one person 212.5 EUR.
> >and for two persons 425 EUR
> >
> >We're sorry for this mistake. We hope you don't mind too much for
this
> >mistake.
> >
> >Again, thanks for your registration!
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tom.
>
>
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From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 09:46:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:46:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
Message-ID: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com>

The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
Martin von L=F6wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,

Also, in the Python and Science track there are some "new"
entries which have not been accepted yet. What should we do
with those talks ? Remove them ?

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Jun 10 09:47:37 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:47:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
In-Reply-To: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101047100.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Also, in the Python and Science track there are some "new"
> entries which have not been accepted yet. What should we do
> with those talks ? Remove them ?

These are the LTalks I was talking about earlier. I'll deal with them
today.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 09:55:06 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:55:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00a001c2105d$19df9040$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
> bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
> Martin von Löwis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,

Paolo Bizarri is my last problem....
Paul Everitt missing too? Strange....

> Also, in the Python and Science track there are some "new"
> entries which have not been accepted yet. What should we do
> with those talks ? Remove them ?
>
contact the track champion

Tom.
> _______________________________________________
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 09:59:11 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:59:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c2105d$1ce33350$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

> The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
> bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
> Martin von Löwis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,

Paul's bio is in the database.... Don't know why you don't see one.

Tom






From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 09:59:31 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 10:59:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com> <00a101c2105d$1ce33350$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3D046A73.9010402@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
>>bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
>>Martin von L=F6wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
>=20
>=20
> Paul's bio is in the database.... Don't know why you don't see one.

His entry for the ZopeBoF is missing the entry. (I was just
visually checking the talk database extracted as CSV)

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Jun 10 10:01:56 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:01:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
In-Reply-To: <3D046A73.9010402@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101101071.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >>The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
> >>bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
> >>Martin von Löwis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
> > 
> > 
> > Paul's bio is in the database.... Don't know why you don't see one.
> 
> His entry for the ZopeBoF is missing the entry. (I was just
> visually checking the talk database extracted as CSV)

BTW, what about LTalks, can we enter them in the DB too or do we leave
them in the wiki for now ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 10:10:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:10:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101101071.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <016d01c2105e$a4de7d90$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

You can enter them in the database too.
*BUT* talk to Paul Everitt. He's managing *ALL* the lightning talks. So
that we don't have clashes of lightning talks
Tom.

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
>> Tom Deprez wrote:
>>>> The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
>>>> bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
>>>> Martin von Löwis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
>>>
>>>
>>> Paul's bio is in the database.... Don't know why you don't see one.
>>
>> His entry for the ZopeBoF is missing the entry. (I was just
>> visually checking the talk database extracted as CSV)
>
> BTW, what about LTalks, can we enter them in the DB too or do we leave
> them in the wiki for now ?
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Jun 10 10:06:06 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:06:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
In-Reply-To: <016d01c2105e$a4de7d90$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101105240.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> *BUT* talk to Paul Everitt. He's managing *ALL* the lightning talks. So
> that we don't have clashes of lightning talks

Done that already. Thanks.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 10:06:47 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:06:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101047100.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D046C27.6040409@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>Also, in the Python and Science track there are some "new"
>>entries which have not been accepted yet. What should we do
>>with those talks ? Remove them ?
> 
> 
> These are the LTalks I was talking about earlier. I'll deal with them
> today.

Good.

Thanks for the update,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon Jun 10 10:08:56 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:08:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] chat today
Message-ID: <20020610090855.GA21427@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I may not be able to make it for the 17 CET chat today, unfortunately.

Regards,

Martijn




From nico@tekNico.net  Mon Jun 10 10:09:54 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:09:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Adepts
References: <008701c20ffe$a0f29f00$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3D046CE2.90104@tekNico.net>

> Don't forget to pay yours nights quickly. (before the 15th of june to be
> sure to have the room reserved)

Tom,
sorry for being dense but, how do I pay for Adeps? Already asked François, 
but he did not tell.


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net





From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 10:11:11 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:11:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101101071.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D046D2F.1040609@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>=20
>=20
>>Tom Deprez wrote:
>>
>>>>The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
>>>>bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
>>>>Martin von L=F6wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
>>>
>>>
>>>Paul's bio is in the database.... Don't know why you don't see one.
>>
>>His entry for the ZopeBoF is missing the entry. (I was just
>>visually checking the talk database extracted as CSV)
>=20
>=20
> BTW, what about LTalks, can we enter them in the DB too or do we leave
> them in the wiki for now ?

Perhaps Tom could add a new talk type for LTs as well ?!

I don't think we should put these into the brochure, but
it might be good the post-conference work and certainly
for the CD if they submit PDFs for their talks as well.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 10:23:11 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:23:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython.org i18n
References: <3D03941E.7050100@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <3D046FFF.7020507@lemburg.com>

Thank you very much for all the work you've put into this, Juan !

Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar wrote:
>=20
> The internationalization is finished.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 10:26:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:26:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101101071.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D046D2F.1040609@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01fa01c21061$adee8f80$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

> Perhaps Tom could add a new talk type for LTs as well ?!

This type is already available since friday: 'Lighting Talks'

> I don't think we should put these into the brochure, but
> it might be good the post-conference work and certainly
> for the CD if they submit PDFs for their talks as well.

yup, same with BoF's.

In the brochure we could announce them briefly, ie just the title.
eg following BoF's and Lighting Talks are announced (but you expect more
to happen):
..
..
..

Tom.

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 10:30:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:30:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] SWIFT payments
Message-ID: <01fb01c21061$b0e90ad0$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

For those who already have payed there SWIFT payment, but didn't
received a mail telling that we received the payment, please send an
email to europython@p3b.org, since something in between must have gone
wrong!

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 10:32:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:32:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Adepts
References: <008701c20ffe$a0f29f00$f38c84d5@skullsplitter> <3D046CE2.90104@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <01fe01c21061$b3e38620$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I think the easiest way would be by SWIFT:

Bank account: 068-2346382-76
Swift : GKCCBEBB


  Address:
  Dexia Banque s.a.
  Agence de Montignies-Neuville
  CC Charleroi-Sud SCRL
  Grand-Rue, 2
  B-6061 Montignies-sur-Sambre
Mention that you're paying for your stay at the adepts and what room
you've choosen.

Be sure to take the expenses of the SWIFT payment yourself.

Regards,
Tom.

Nicola Larosa wrote:
>> Don't forget to pay yours nights quickly. (before the 15th of june
>> to be sure to have the room reserved)
>
> Tom,
> sorry for being dense but, how do I pay for Adeps? Already asked
> François, but he did not tell.
>
>
> Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
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> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 10:31:57 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:31:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101101071.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D046D2F.1040609@lemburg.com> <01fa01c21061$adee8f80$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3D04720D.3000201@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>Perhaps Tom could add a new talk type for LTs as well ?!
> 
> 
> This type is already available since friday: 'Lighting Talks'

Ah, you borrowed the time machine ;-)

>>I don't think we should put these into the brochure, but
>>it might be good the post-conference work and certainly
>>for the CD if they submit PDFs for their talks as well.
> 
> 
> yup, same with BoF's.
> 
> In the brochure we could announce them briefly, ie just the title.
> eg following BoF's and Lighting Talks are announced (but you expect more
> to happen):
> ..
> ..
> ..
> 

Right.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Jun 10 12:08:55 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:08:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Science Track
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101307420.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Folks,

The program of the science track is settled for good. I turned one of the
LTalks into a longer one and moved the remaining two to friday morning.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 12:12:24 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 13:12:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Science Track
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206101307420.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D048998.7010602@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> The program of the science track is settled for good. I turned one of the
> LTalks into a longer one and moved the remaining two to friday morning.

Great !

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From nico@tekNico.net  Mon Jun 10 10:51:57 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 11:51:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Adepts
References: <008701c20ffe$a0f29f00$f38c84d5@skullsplitter> <3D046CE2.90104@tekNico.net> <01fe01c21061$b3e38620$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3D0476BD.1050304@tekNico.net>

 >> Tom, sorry for being dense but, how do I pay for Adeps? Already asked
 >> François, but he did not tell.

> I think the easiest way would be by SWIFT:

I was hoping there was a way to pay with credit card, as there is for the 
Conference fee.

Oh well, let's hope the mor... ehm, kind guys at the bank already heard of 
SWIFT. :^)


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net





From shae@ScannedInAvian.com  Mon Jun 10 14:02:04 2002
From: shae@ScannedInAvian.com (Shae Matijs Erisson)
Date: 10 Jun 2002 16:02:04 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
In-Reply-To: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com>
References: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <87lm9ncmnn.fsf@webwitches.com>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> writes:

> The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
> bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
> Martin von L=F6wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,

Moshe Zadka isn't coming to the conference, only Itamar will be giving the
Twisted talk.
--=20
Shae Matijs Erisson - http://www.webwitches.com/~shae/
<radix> shapr: I think you *are* a purist :)
<radix> shapr: it's just that you're morally against unstable software, ins=
tead
        of morally against MS, or non-free software, or whatnot.





From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Jun 10 14:15:38 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:15:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com> <87lm9ncmnn.fsf@webwitches.com>
Message-ID: <3D04A67A.3070801@lemburg.com>

Shae Matijs Erisson wrote:
> "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> writes:
>=20
>=20
>>The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
>>bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
>>Martin von L=F6wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
>=20
>=20
> Moshe Zadka isn't coming to the conference, only Itamar will be giving =
the
> Twisted talk.

Could you update the talk database, ASAP ? Moshe is
still listed as talk author.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From andy@reportlab.com  Mon Jun 10 15:58:23 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 15:58:23 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
In-Reply-To: <87lm9ncmnn.fsf@webwitches.com>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHOEPJDHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> > The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
> > bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
> > Martin von Löwis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
Alex Martelli has a bio in the tutorials track.

- Andy




From adeps.info@p3b.org  Mon Jun 10 16:18:21 2002
From: adeps.info@p3b.org (Adeps-info-P3B-Team)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 17:18:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Adepts
In-Reply-To: <3D0476BD.1050304@tekNico.net>
References: <008701c20ffe$a0f29f00$f38c84d5@skullsplitter> <3D046CE2.90104@tekNico.net> <01fe01c21061$b3e38620$f38c84d5@skullsplitter> <3D0476BD.1050304@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <20020610151821.GA23576@aragne.com>

On Mon, Jun 10, 2002 at 11:51:57AM +0200, Nicola Larosa wrote:
> >> Tom, sorry for being dense but, how do I pay for Adeps? Already asked
> >> François, but he did not tell.
> 

sorry for that, i've thing that your question was only about the night of
the 29 ...

> >I think the easiest way would be by SWIFT:
> 
+1

> I was hoping there was a way to pay with credit card, as there is for the 
> Conference fee.

not this time ... but for future conferences in charleroi ... 

> Oh well, let's hope the mor... ehm, kind guys at the bank already heard of 
> SWIFT. :^)

sure, ... don't worry

> 
> 
> -- 
> "Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
>   Guido Van Rossum
> 
> Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net
> 
> 
Regards,

François


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. -                       .
. Europython Conference   .
. 2002                    .
. www.europython.org      .   
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. Gnu/Linux Python & Zope . 
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From shae@ScannedInAvian.com  Mon Jun 10 16:23:51 2002
From: shae@ScannedInAvian.com (Shae Matijs Erisson)
Date: 10 Jun 2002 18:23:51 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting is happening now.
Message-ID: <87it4r9myg.fsf@webwitches.com>

irc server is irc.openprojects.net
channel is #europython
-- 
Shae Matijs Erisson - http://www.webwitches.com/~shae/
<radix> shapr: I think you *are* a purist :)
<radix> shapr: it's just that you're morally against unstable software, instead
        of morally against MS, or non-free software, or whatnot.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 17:36:41 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 18:36:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chat
Message-ID: <000901c2109d$01afe610$f38c84d5@skullsplitter>

Humph, something happened with the channel we used, and it looks like
I'm unable to reconnect.
Anybody can give me a hand?

Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 10 22:03:30 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2002 23:03:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Short Voting
Message-ID: <00eb01c210c2$48206e60$2e8c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

First, we change the timeschedule for day1, this to reflect the changes
in Python Tutorials. No bad news at all, unless you can't choose...
we've added an extra Python Tutorial session! (Slot3 in the morning),
Day 1) : http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

Further, to make it us a little bit easier in organisation, we ask you
to tell us which tracks you'll likely follow. Just click the tracks
you're going to follow and you're done:
http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/voting

Regards,
Tom.





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue Jun 11 09:15:29 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:15:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111010090.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hello,

The speakers of the Python Science Track are on time and provided me with
their presentation material in PDF. Is there any place I can store that on
the website to make it available and/or prepare for the downloadable ISO
image ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de  Tue Jun 11 10:02:42 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 11:02:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111010090.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <E17HhY2-0005l2-00@smtp.web.de>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:15:29 +0200 (CEST), Nicolas Chauvat wrote:

>The speakers of the Python Science Track are on time and provided me wi=
th
>their presentation material in PDF. 

Apropos on time, when is the deadline?



Ciao, J=FCrgen

--
J=FCrgen Hermann, Developer (jhe@webde-ag.de)
WEB.DE AG, http://webde-ag.de/





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 11:10:44 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 12:10:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111010090.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <04cb01c21130$fabfee60$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Nicolas,

Yes, we could make a page on EuroPython. Do you've access to the site?
If so, I can make a folder in which you can drop the pdf's


Regards,
Tom

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The speakers of the Python Science Track are on time and provided me
> with their presentation material in PDF. Is there any place I can
> store that on the website to make it available and/or prepare for the
> downloadable ISO image ?
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue Jun 11 12:49:50 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 13:49:50 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
In-Reply-To: <04cb01c21130$fabfee60$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111348480.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> Hi Nicolas,
> 
> Yes, we could make a page on EuroPython. Do you've access to the site?

C'mon, you know I do. How could I have contributed so many things to the
site otherwise ?

> If so, I can make a folder in which you can drop the pdf's

Let's do this with a folder per track.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 13:13:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 14:13:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111348480.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <0aaf01c21146$cfbe3fd0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> C'mon, you know I do. How could I have contributed so many things to
> the site otherwise ?

sorry, with all this work these last days, I don't know anymore what I
should know.
I almost knew you had a login, but I wasn't quiet sure. If I offended
you, sorry, not meant to do.

>> If so, I can make a folder in which you can drop the pdf's
>
> Let's do this with a folder per track.

My idea as well.

Ok for the following folder?
http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations/ScienceIndustry/manage_
workspace

I can make some interface for it  tonight.

Regards,
Tom.






From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun 11 14:16:19 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:16:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHOEPJDHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D05F823.8040801@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
>>>The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
>>>bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
>>>Martin von L=F6wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
>>
> Alex Martelli has a bio in the tutorials track.

Ok, but just for clarity: if someone gives more than one talk,
the same data should be entered for all talks.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From lac@strakt.com  Tue Jun 11 14:26:08 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:26:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
Message-ID: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

You have managed to schedule Jacob's tutorial on threading and his business
talk on the same day at the same time.  Something has to be swapped.

Laura



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 14:51:45 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:51:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <0b7701c2114f$1fe47670$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Track Chairman who have schedule Jacob, please check this.
And also perhaps other simular problems.

Thanks,
Tom.

Laura Creighton wrote:
> You have managed to schedule Jacob's tutorial on threading and his
> business talk on the same day at the same time.  Something has to be
> swapped. 
> 
> Laura
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun 11 14:52:29 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:52:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
References: <E17HhY2-0005l2-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <3D06009D.4050205@lemburg.com>

Juergen Hermann wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002 10:15:29 +0200 (CEST), Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> 
> 
>>The speakers of the Python Science Track are on time and provided me with
>>their presentation material in PDF. 
> 
> 
> Apropos on time, when is the deadline?

The conference :-)

We need the material as PDF, HTML or Word document by June 26
and the track champions should take core that all speakers submit
their file in time.

The CD will be worked on *after* the conference.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 14:54:53 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:54:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <0b8b01c2114f$8fe0acf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Second thought,

I think there must be something wrong. There are no Python Tutorials on
Day2.
Andy, are you sure this is on Day 2 and not on Day 1?

Tom.

Laura Creighton wrote:
> You have managed to schedule Jacob's tutorial on threading and his
> business talk on the same day at the same time.  Something has to be
> swapped.
>
> Laura
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue Jun 11 14:58:45 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:58:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
In-Reply-To: <3D06009D.4050205@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111555240.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > Apropos on time, when is the deadline?
> 
> The conference :-)

I don't think that's a good idea. It may be ok for some special case. But
being ready *before* the conference is always better and gives more time
to track champions to have everything in place when it begins.

For example, I told my speakers not to bother coming with a laptop unless
they want to show live demos. I'll have everything ready on my laptop and
switching speakers will be as easy as walking off and to the desk.

> The CD will be worked on *after* the conference.

But we can put the material on the website before the conference right ?
The quality of the talks will be another incentive for people to show up
and discuss with speakers. And if you're interested in many subjects, you
can skim the talks before the conf and know that you don't want to miss a
chat with such and such.


-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun 11 14:59:47 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:59:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com>

Fixed.

Laura Creighton wrote:
> You have managed to schedule Jacob's tutorial on threading and his business
> talk on the same day at the same time.  Something has to be swapped.
> 
> Laura
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From lac@strakt.com  Tue Jun 11 14:57:36 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:57:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
 of "Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:59:47 +0200." <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com>
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <200206111357.g5BDva34024888@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Fixed.

Thank you very much.
Laura



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue Jun 11 15:11:51 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:11:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
In-Reply-To: <0aaf01c21146$cfbe3fd0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111545490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> > C'mon, you know I do. How could I have contributed so many things to
> > the site otherwise ?
> 
> sorry, with all this work these last days, I don't know anymore what I
> should know. I almost knew you had a login, but I wasn't quiet sure.
> If I offended you, sorry, not meant to do.

No offense taken, just teasing you.

> >> If so, I can make a folder in which you can drop the pdf's
> >
> > Let's do this with a folder per track.
> 
> My idea as well.
> 
> Ok for the following folder?
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations/ScienceIndustry/manage_
> workspace

Ok. I already uploaded several of the slides.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)





From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun 11 15:12:14 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:12:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111555240.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D06053E.8090904@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>>Apropos on time, when is the deadline?
>>
>>The conference :-)
> 
> 
> I don't think that's a good idea. It may be ok for some special case. But
> being ready *before* the conference is always better and gives more time
> to track champions to have everything in place when it begins.
> 
> For example, I told my speakers not to bother coming with a laptop unless
> they want to show live demos. I'll have everything ready on my laptop and
> switching speakers will be as easy as walking off and to the desk.

That's for the track champions to decide. For the CD we only need
to make sure that the data is readily available at the conference.

>>The CD will be worked on *after* the conference.
> 
> 
> But we can put the material on the website before the conference right ?

Sure, but won't this take away the novel character of the talks ?

> The quality of the talks will be another incentive for people to show up
> and discuss with speakers. And if you're interested in many subjects, you
> can skim the talks before the conf and know that you don't want to miss a
> chat with such and such.

If you want to do this, fine, but we won't require this from
all speakers.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue Jun 11 15:14:05 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:14:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker's presentation material
In-Reply-To: <3D06053E.8090904@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206111612330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> That's for the track champions to decide.

Ok.

> For the CD we only need to make sure that the data is readily
> available at the conference.

Agreed.
 
> > But we can put the material on the website before the conference right ?
> 
> Sure, but won't this take away the novel character of the talks ?

I don't think people come because it's new or not. They come to socialize
and ask questions/talk.

> > The quality of the talks will be another incentive for people to show up
> > and discuss with speakers. And if you're interested in many subjects, you
> > can skim the talks before the conf and know that you don't want to miss a
> > chat with such and such.
> 
> If you want to do this, fine, but we won't require this from all
> speakers.

Fine by me.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From lac@strakt.com  Tue Jun 11 15:12:58 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:12:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
 of "Tue, 11 Jun 2002 15:59:47 +0200." <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com>
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <200206111412.g5BECw34024956@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

Ok, I think that Jacob's Tutorial should be starting at 0900 like the others
rather than 0945, correct?  This brings up another problem.  Jacob's
tutorial now happens at the same time as Alex's tutorial, and we have
arranged to have them both taped.  Right now I can't see exactly how
the tutorials are supposed to fit together -- the time slices on the
pictoral graph do not match the times printed in the schedule.  Am
I correct that 2 tutorials are supposed to fit in a time slice between
breaks?  Or is only 1 to fill that time?  

Still confused,
Laura



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 15:30:11 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:30:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com>  <200206111412.g5BECw34024956@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <0c3901c21154$7e4659e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

The tutorials:
-------------

There is one slot taken by the Zope Tutorial
Further there is one slot-and-a-half available for Python Tutorials.
That's all there is. This means that slots have to be devided by the
amount of tutorials that will be given.
I believe Andy has send a message to all people giving a Python
Tutorial, asking if they liked to give short tutorials. I don't know
about the outcome exactly (Andy knows), but I everybody was informed and
so I guess that the devision of the time of the Python Tutorial Slot has
been taken care of, not?

Regards,
Tom.



> Ok, I think that Jacob's Tutorial should be starting at 0900 like the
> others rather than 0945, correct?  This brings up another problem.
> Jacob's tutorial now happens at the same time as Alex's tutorial, and
> we have arranged to have them both taped.  Right now I can't see
> exactly how the tutorials are supposed to fit together -- the time
> slices on the pictoral graph do not match the times printed in the
> schedule.  Am I correct that 2 tutorials are supposed to fit in a
> time slice between breaks?  Or is only 1 to fill that time?
>
> Still confused,
> Laura
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From lac@strakt.com  Tue Jun 11 15:38:18 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:38:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
 of "Tue, 11 Jun 2002 16:30:11 +0200." <0c3901c21154$7e4659e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com> <200206111412.g5BECw34024956@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <0c3901c21154$7e4659e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <200206111438.g5BEcI34025102@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> The tutorials:
> -------------
> 
> There is one slot taken by the Zope Tutorial
> Further there is one slot-and-a-half available for Python Tutorials.
> That's all there is. This means that slots have to be devided by the
> amount of tutorials that will be given.
> I believe Andy has send a message to all people giving a Python
> Tutorial, asking if they liked to give short tutorials. I don't know
> about the outcome exactly (Andy knows), but I everybody was informed and
> so I guess that the devision of the time of the Python Tutorial Slot has
> been taken care of, not?
> 
> Regards,
> Tom.
> 
> 
> 
> > Ok, I think that Jacob's Tutorial should be starting at 0900 like the
> > others rather than 0945, correct?  This brings up another problem.
> > Jacob's tutorial now happens at the same time as Alex's tutorial, and
> > we have arranged to have them both taped.  Right now I can't see
> > exactly how the tutorials are supposed to fit together -- the time
> > slices on the pictoral graph do not match the times printed in the
> > schedule.  Am I correct that 2 tutorials are supposed to fit in a
> > time slice between breaks?  Or is only 1 to fill that time?
> >
> > Still confused,
> > Laura

Okay then, I am to parse this that Alex and Jacob are filling up all of
slot 1, with help from Alexandre Fayolle - Alex iterators, Jacob threading, 
and then Alexandre Fayolle XML, Alex Extensions, each one being a 45 minute 
tutorial, while there is absolutely nothing happening at 9 oclock on slot 3 
in the section labelled Python Tutorials in the Timetable.  From our end 
this is just great, but is this what you wanted?

Laura



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 16:05:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 17:05:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] scheduling
References: <200206111326.g5BDQ8Nl024727@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3D060253.8090904@lemburg.com> <200206111412.g5BECw34024956@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <0c3901c21154$7e4659e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>  <200206111438.g5BEcI34025102@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <0cb601c21159$649e9070$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Laura,

Please ask Andy concerning the Python Tutorials. 9 o'clock on Slot3 is
added on Andy's request.
All I know is that one person wanted to give a tutorial of 180 minutes,
therefor Slot 1. I believe it was for Alex or Alexandre. But I'm not
sure about this at all, Andy should now.

Then, the 2 45 minutes tutorials can be given on Slot 3.

But again, please forward to Andy, he received the replies from the
speakers.

Tom.

 > Okay then, I am to parse this that Alex and Jacob are filling up all
> of slot 1, with help from Alexandre Fayolle - Alex iterators, Jacob
> threading, and then Alexandre Fayolle XML, Alex Extensions, each one
> being a 45 minute tutorial, while there is absolutely nothing
> happening at 9 oclock on slot 3 in the section labelled Python
> Tutorials in the Timetable.  From our end this is just great, but is
> this what you wanted?
>
> Laura
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Jun 11 21:38:40 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:38:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Chairmen: Talk database
In-Reply-To: <3D04A67A.3070801@lemburg.com>
References: <3D04674E.4030708@lemburg.com> <87lm9ncmnn.fsf@webwitches.com> <3D04A67A.3070801@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020611203840.GA26681@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Shae Matijs Erisson wrote:
> >"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> writes:
> >
> >>The talk database is still missing a few entries for the speaker
> >>bios, e.g. for Aley Martelli, Finn Bock, Paolo Bizzari,
> >>Martin von L?wis, Moshe Zadka, Eric Raymond, Paul Everitt,
> >
> >Moshe Zadka isn't coming to the conference, only Itamar will be giving the
> >Twisted talk.
> 
> Could you update the talk database, ASAP ? Moshe is
> still listed as talk author.

Oversight on my part, sorry about that. I didn't register him for
free entry, though. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 22:35:12 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 23:35:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
Message-ID: <02fa01c2118f$e01bf7c0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

As Nicolas already told on the mailing list. The Python Science &
Industry is the first Track which already has some presentations online!
Congrats!
You now have access from the website at:
http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations

Regards,
Tom.





From andy@reportlab.com  Tue Jun 11 22:57:21 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:57:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

I've been uncontactable all day, sorry.  The next 2 days will also be on
customer sites where they block emails, so if anyone needs me then please
phone on +44-7976-355742.  I'll check the list archive for answers and amend
the tracks tomorrow morning if I get general assent I will update the
tracks.

Until friday lunchtime I thought we had ONE room and one morning so I left
it as set out now in the database, 4 x 45min talks.  Then, later on, Tom
said an extra room was available for half the morning, and Alexandre Fayolle
said he wanted as much time as possible; but I ran out of time to actually
pin the times down. I propose to give Alexandre Fayolle 2 hours 15 minutes,
so we have this:

Room A:
  9:00-10:30, 11:00-11:45:  Alexandre Fayolle, Python and XML
  11:45-12:30               Alex Martelli, Creating Python Extensions in C

Room B:
 9:00-9:45 Alex Martelli, Iterators and Generators for Fun and Profit
 9:45-10:30 Jacob Hallén, Threading in Python

The database also contains a tutorial by Godefroid Chapelle which I am
pretty sure belongs in the Zope track

Does this work for everyone, especially the speakers?  I am not sure how to
represent the rooms and the split session in the database, and wonder if we
need a field for 'room number'?

thanks,

Andy Robinson






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 11 23:12:04 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 00:12:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>

Andy Robinson wrote:
[snip]

> Until friday lunchtime I thought we had ONE room and one morning so I
> left it as set out now in the database, 4 x 45min talks.  Then, later
> on, Tom said an extra room was available for half the morning, and
> Alexandre Fayolle said he wanted as much time as possible; but I ran
> out of time to actually pin the times down. I propose to give
> Alexandre Fayolle 2 hours 15 minutes, so we have this:

Ah, I thought something like this was happening. Thanks for the
clearification Andy.

> Room A:
>   9:00-10:30, 11:00-11:45:  Alexandre Fayolle, Python and XML
>   11:45-12:30               Alex Martelli, Creating Python Extensions
> in C
>
> Room B:
>  9:00-9:45 Alex Martelli, Iterators and Generators for Fun and Profit
>  9:45-10:30 Jacob Hallén, Threading in Python
>
> The database also contains a tutorial by Godefroid Chapelle which I am
> pretty sure belongs in the Zope track
>
> Does this work for everyone, especially the speakers?  I am not sure
> how to represent the rooms and the split session in the database, and
> wonder if we need a field for 'room number'?

Mmm, yes, you've a point here.Now that we added an extra Python
Tutorial, people can get confused.
Joachim, is it possible to add the 'slot or room' field to the database?

Tom.





From lac@strakt.com  Wed Jun 12 05:18:47 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 06:18:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
In-Reply-To: Message from "Andy Robinson" <andy@reportlab.com>
 of "Tue, 11 Jun 2002 22:57:21 BST." <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <200206120418.g5C4Il34027256@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

>.....  Then, later on, Tom
> said an extra room was available for half the morning, and Alexand
> re Fayolle
> said he wanted as much time as possible; but I ran out of time to =

> actually
> pin the times down. I propose to give Alexandre Fayolle 2 hours 15
>  minutes,
> so we have this:
> =

> Room A:
>   9:00-10:30, 11:00-11:45:  Alexandre Fayolle, Python and XML
>   11:45-12:30               Alex Martelli, Creating Python Extensi
> ons in C
> =

> Room B:
>  9:00-9:45 Alex Martelli, Iterators and Generators for Fun and Pro
> fit
>  9:45-10:30 Jacob Hall=E9n, Threading in Python
> =

> The database also contains a tutorial by Godefroid Chapelle which =

> I am
> pretty sure belongs in the Zope track
> =

> Does this work for everyone, especially the speakers?  I am not su
> re how to
> represent the rooms and the split session in the database, and won
> der if we
> need a field for 'room number'?

This  is Ok from AB Strakt's end.  Alex has 2 tutorials, and while
the Extensions one is playing nicely and fitting into 45 minutes, =

Iterators and Generators would like to be larger, but Alex can
force it to fit.  Jacob's threading tutorial fits nicely in 45 minutes.
We are getting these tutorials videotapes for the AB Strakt library,
so the fact that they do not overlap in separate rooms is good for us.
When the extra time became available, we didn't know if that was going
to be possible.  So from our end the only sadness is not being able
to attend Alexandre Fayolle's XML talk.  Schedule Alex's Iterators
in the room that is likely to have extra time, if such a room exists.
Do not worry about it if this is not possible -- Alex can make it fit
into 45 minutes as promised.

On another note, I am leaving Friday afternoon (14th) for 2 weeks vacation
in France and am proceeding to EuroPython.  =


Laura Creighton=



From js@aixtraware.de  Wed Jun 12 07:41:05 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 08:41:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
In-Reply-To: <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
 <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <63390000.1023864065@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi Tom,

I added the room field on my local test-site. But there is something=20
strange going on at the server.

first thing was that is no longer reachable unde europython2.zope.nl. I=20
changed to
www.europython.org, that works.

I normally upload my modifications with a script, it used to work, but now=20
I get an error, I assume it has something to do with the localizer product.

I made the modification throught the zmi. From time to time, the responses=20
are very slow.




--On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 00:12:04 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

> Andy Robinson wrote:
> [snip]
>
>> Until friday lunchtime I thought we had ONE room and one morning so I
>> left it as set out now in the database, 4 x 45min talks.  Then, later
>> on, Tom said an extra room was available for half the morning, and
>> Alexandre Fayolle said he wanted as much time as possible; but I ran
>> out of time to actually pin the times down. I propose to give
>> Alexandre Fayolle 2 hours 15 minutes, so we have this:
>
> Ah, I thought something like this was happening. Thanks for the
> clearification Andy.
>
>> Room A:
>>   9:00-10:30, 11:00-11:45:  Alexandre Fayolle, Python and XML
>>   11:45-12:30               Alex Martelli, Creating Python Extensions
>> in C
>>
>> Room B:
>>  9:00-9:45 Alex Martelli, Iterators and Generators for Fun and Profit
>>  9:45-10:30 Jacob Hall=E9n, Threading in Python
>>
>> The database also contains a tutorial by Godefroid Chapelle which I am
>> pretty sure belongs in the Zope track
>>
>> Does this work for everyone, especially the speakers?  I am not sure
>> how to represent the rooms and the split session in the database, and
>> wonder if we need a field for 'room number'?
>
> Mmm, yes, you've a point here.Now that we added an extra Python
> Tutorial, people can get confused.
> Joachim, is it possible to add the 'slot or room' field to the database?
>
> Tom.
>
>



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From j-david@noos.fr  Wed Jun 12 08:14:50 2002
From: j-david@noos.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:14:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter> <63390000.1023864065@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <3D06F4EA.1000901@noos.fr>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:

> Hi Tom,
>
> I added the room field on my local test-site. But there is something 
> strange going on at the server.
>
> first thing was that is no longer reachable unde europython2.zope.nl. 
> I changed to
> www.europython.org, that works.
>
> I normally upload my modifications with a script, it used to work, but 
> now I get an error, I assume it has something to do with the localizer 
> product.
>

Which is the error?



> I made the modification throught the zmi. From time to time, the 
> responses are very slow.
>




From js@aixtraware.de  Wed Jun 12 08:37:53 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 09:37:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
In-Reply-To: <3D06F4EA.1000901@noos.fr>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
 <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <63390000.1023864065@[10.2.1.1]> <3D06F4EA.1000901@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <66140000.1023867473@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

I am using a modified load_site.py, but it is reproduceble with the=20
original load_site.py

python load_site.py -u jschmitz:xxxx  http://www.europython.org/Talks=20
test.html

results in:

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 380, in ?
    if __name__=3D=3D'__main__': main()
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 174, in =
main
    for f in files: upload_file(object, f)
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 193, in=20
upload_file
    return globals()['upload_'+ext](object, f)
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 336, in=20
upload_html
    call(object.manage_addDTMLDocument, id=3Dname, title=3Dtitle, =
file=3Dbody)
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 178, in =
call
    try: apply(f,args, kw)
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py", line=20
181, in __call__
    if hasattr(v,'read'): return self._mp_call(kw)
  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py", line=20
287, in _mp_call
    raise 'BadReply','Bad reply from server: '+line
BadReply: Bad reply from server: HTTP/1.1 500


--On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 09:14:50 +0200 Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar=20
<j-david@noos.fr> wrote:

>
> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Hi Tom,
>>
>> I added the room field on my local test-site. But there is something
>> strange going on at the server.
>>
>> first thing was that is no longer reachable unde europython2.zope.nl.
>> I changed to
>> www.europython.org, that works.
>>
>> I normally upload my modifications with a script, it used to work, but
>> now I get an error, I assume it has something to do with the localizer
>> product.
>>
>
> Which is the error?
>
>
>
>> I made the modification throught the zmi. From time to time, the
>> responses are very slow.
>>
>



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From j-david@noos.fr  Wed Jun 12 09:41:44 2002
From: j-david@noos.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:41:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter> <63390000.1023864065@[10.2.1.1]> <3D06F4EA.1000901@noos.fr> <66140000.1023867473@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <3D070948.30901@noos.fr>

Thanks Joachim, I'll try to reproduce and fix the problem. I'm
not sure that it's a Localizer problem, but it could be, I've
never used "load_site".

Unfortunately it won't be before this night. Is there any other
way to do it in the meanwhile?


Joachim Schmitz wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am using a modified load_site.py, but it is reproduceble with the 
> original load_site.py
>
> python load_site.py -u jschmitz:xxxx  http://www.europython.org/Talks 
> test.html
>
> results in:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 380, in ?
>    if __name__=='__main__': main()
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 174, in 
> main
>    for f in files: upload_file(object, f)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 193, in 
> upload_file
>    return globals()['upload_'+ext](object, f)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 336, in 
> upload_html
>    call(object.manage_addDTMLDocument, id=name, title=title, file=body)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 178, in 
> call
>    try: apply(f,args, kw)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py", 
> line 181, in __call__
>    if hasattr(v,'read'): return self._mp_call(kw)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py", 
> line 287, in _mp_call
>    raise 'BadReply','Bad reply from server: '+line
> BadReply: Bad reply from server: HTTP/1.1 500
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 09:14:50 +0200 Juan David Ibáñez Palomar 
> <j-david@noos.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> I added the room field on my local test-site. But there is something
>>> strange going on at the server.
>>>
>>> first thing was that is no longer reachable unde europython2.zope.nl.
>>> I changed to
>>> www.europython.org, that works.
>>>
>>> I normally upload my modifications with a script, it used to work, but
>>> now I get an error, I assume it has something to do with the localizer
>>> product.
>>>
>>
>> Which is the error?
>>
>>
>>
>>> I made the modification throught the zmi. From time to time, the
>>> responses are very slow.
>>>






From js@aixtraware.de  Wed Jun 12 10:54:09 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 11:54:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
In-Reply-To: <3D070948.30901@noos.fr>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
 <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <63390000.1023864065@[10.2.1.1]> <3D06F4EA.1000901@noos.fr>
 <66140000.1023867473@[10.2.1.1]> <3D070948.30901@noos.fr>
Message-ID: <69040000.1023875649@[10.2.1.1]>

I did it via the zmi, so I don't need it urgently.


--On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 10:41:44 +0200 Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar=20
<j-david@noos.fr> wrote:

>
> Thanks Joachim, I'll try to reproduce and fix the problem. I'm
> not sure that it's a Localizer problem, but it could be, I've
> never used "load_site".
>
> Unfortunately it won't be before this night. Is there any other
> way to do it in the meanwhile?
>
>
> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am using a modified load_site.py, but it is reproduceble with the
>> original load_site.py
>>
>> python load_site.py -u jschmitz:xxxx  http://www.europython.org/Talks
>> test.html
>>
>> results in:
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 380, in ?
>>    if __name__=3D=3D'__main__': main()
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 174, in
>> main
>>    for f in files: upload_file(object, f)
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 193, in
>> upload_file
>>    return globals()['upload_'+ext](object, f)
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 336, in
>> upload_html
>>    call(object.manage_addDTMLDocument, id=3Dname, title=3Dtitle, =
file=3Dbody)
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 178, in
>> call
>>    try: apply(f,args, kw)
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py",
>> line 181, in __call__
>>    if hasattr(v,'read'): return self._mp_call(kw)
>>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py",
>> line 287, in _mp_call
>>    raise 'BadReply','Bad reply from server: '+line
>> BadReply: Bad reply from server: HTTP/1.1 500
>>
>>
>> --On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 09:14:50 +0200 Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez =
Palomar
>> <j-david@noos.fr> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Tom,
>>>>
>>>> I added the room field on my local test-site. But there is something
>>>> strange going on at the server.
>>>>
>>>> first thing was that is no longer reachable unde europython2.zope.nl.
>>>> I changed to
>>>> www.europython.org, that works.
>>>>
>>>> I normally upload my modifications with a script, it used to work, but
>>>> now I get an error, I assume it has something to do with the localizer
>>>> product.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which is the error?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I made the modification throught the zmi. From time to time, the
>>>> responses are very slow.
>>>>
>
>
>



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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 11:12:44 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:12:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <02fa01c2118f$e01bf7c0$788d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> As Nicolas already told on the mailing list. The Python Science &
> Industry is the first Track which already has some presentations online!
> Congrats!
> You now have access from the website at:
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations

I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list... Any way to add an
icon to the talk if its material is online then link from its description 
page ?

I agree it's far from being a top priority item...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 12 11:34:14 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:34:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <02cc01c211fc$b2acb910$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Don't know if this is possible, because the two are not linked at the
moment. ie the Track database isn't linked with the files. Perhaps this
can be done by adding the files in the Track Database. Is this possible
Joachim?

This would be much better.

Tom.


Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As Nicolas already told on the mailing list. The Python Science &
>> Industry is the first Track which already has some presentations
>> online! Congrats!
>> You now have access from the website at:
>> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations
>
> I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list... Any way to
> add an icon to the talk if its material is online then link from its
> description page ?
>
> I agree it's far from being a top priority item...
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 12 11:37:24 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:37:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
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Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:

> I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list... 
> Any way to add an icon to the talk if its material is 
> online then link from its description page ?
> 
> I agree it's far from being a top priority item...

Maybe I'm too oldfashioned, and yes, I'm also inhabiting 
cyberspace, but I wonder if it has already become common 
practice to put conference slides online *before* the
event? 

I understand visitors could prepare much better to ask
mean questions during presentations, or be better able 
to chose which one to attend, but some might decide not
to come at all. 

And then, there would be a missing ritual final bang to 
start sharing the content with people who where not so 
lucky to attend, but were eagerly waiting.

Well, as I said, maybe I'm too oldfashioned...

Dinu



From js@aixtraware.de  Wed Jun 12 11:44:28 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:44:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <02cc01c211fc$b2acb910$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <02cc01c211fc$b2acb910$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <71370000.1023878667@[10.2.1.1]>

of course ;-), if the load_site access ist working again.


--On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 12:34:14 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

> Don't know if this is possible, because the two are not linked at the
> moment. ie the Track database isn't linked with the files. Perhaps this
> can be done by adding the files in the Track Database. Is this possible
> Joachim?
>
> This would be much better.
>
> Tom.
>
>
> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>> On Tue, 11 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> As Nicolas already told on the mailing list. The Python Science &
>>> Industry is the first Track which already has some presentations
>>> online! Congrats!
>>> You now have access from the website at:
>>> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations
>>
>> I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list... Any way to
>> add an icon to the talk if its material is online then link from its
>> description page ?
>>
>> I agree it's far from being a top priority item...
>>
>> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
>> Paris (France)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From gotcha@swing.be  Wed Jun 12 11:51:03 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:51:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <1023878244.3d0724642324f@webmail.in-berlin.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
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At 12:37 12/06/2002, Dinu Gherman wrote:
>Maybe I'm too oldfashioned, and yes, I'm also inhabiting
>cyberspace, but I wonder if it has already become common
>practice to put conference slides online *before* the
>event?
>
>I understand visitors could prepare much better to ask
>mean questions during presentations, or be better able
>to chose which one to attend, but some might decide not
>to come at all.

The question is worth being asked.

I would also wait til at least the first day of the conference...

So that people really come...

So that people can make a good decision on which talks to listen to...


>And then, there would be a missing ritual final bang to
>start sharing the content with people who where not so
>lucky to attend, but were eagerly waiting.
>
>Well, as I said, maybe I'm too oldfashioned...
>
>Dinu

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From js@aixtraware.de  Wed Jun 12 11:45:38 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:45:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <1023878244.3d0724642324f@webmail.in-berlin.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <1023878244.3d0724642324f@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <71870000.1023878738@[10.2.1.1]>

+1


--On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 12:37:24 +0200 Dinu Gherman=20
<gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de> wrote:

> Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:
>
>> I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list...
>> Any way to add an icon to the talk if its material is
>> online then link from its description page ?
>>
>> I agree it's far from being a top priority item...
>
> Maybe I'm too oldfashioned, and yes, I'm also inhabiting
> cyberspace, but I wonder if it has already become common
> practice to put conference slides online *before* the
> event?
>
> I understand visitors could prepare much better to ask
> mean questions during presentations, or be better able
> to chose which one to attend, but some might decide not
> to come at all.
>
> And then, there would be a missing ritual final bang to
> start sharing the content with people who where not so
> lucky to attend, but were eagerly waiting.
>
> Well, as I said, maybe I'm too oldfashioned...
>
> Dinu
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 12 11:57:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 12:57:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <1023878244.3d0724642324f@webmail.in-berlin.de> <71870000.1023878738@[10.2.1.1]>
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Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> +1

+1

> --On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 12:37:24 +0200 Dinu Gherman 
> <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de> wrote:
> 
>> Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:
>>
>>> I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list...
>>> Any way to add an icon to the talk if its material is
>>> online then link from its description page ?
>>>
>>> I agree it's far from being a top priority item...
>>
>>
>> Maybe I'm too oldfashioned, and yes, I'm also inhabiting
>> cyberspace, but I wonder if it has already become common
>> practice to put conference slides online *before* the
>> event?
>>
>> I understand visitors could prepare much better to ask
>> mean questions during presentations, or be better able
>> to chose which one to attend, but some might decide not
>> to come at all.
>>
>> And then, there would be a missing ritual final bang to
>> start sharing the content with people who where not so
>> lucky to attend, but were eagerly waiting.
>>
>> Well, as I said, maybe I'm too oldfashioned...

-- 
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CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 12:03:57 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:03:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <1023878244.3d0724642324f@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121250070.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Dinu Gherman wrote:

> Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:
> 
> > I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list... 
> > Any way to add an icon to the talk if its material is 
> > online then link from its description page ?
> > 
> > I agree it's far from being a top priority item...
> 
> Maybe I'm too oldfashioned, and yes, I'm also inhabiting 
> cyberspace, but I wonder if it has already become common 
> practice to put conference slides online *before* the
> event? 
> 
> I understand visitors could prepare much better to ask
> mean questions during presentations, or be better able 
> to chose which one to attend, but some might decide not
> to come at all. 
> 
> And then, there would be a missing ritual final bang to 
> start sharing the content with people who where not so 
> lucky to attend, but were eagerly waiting.
> 
> Well, as I said, maybe I'm too oldfashioned...

I'm all for debating that point and will happily remove the slides I put
online if we agree we shouldn't. Here is my opinion :

There are over 30 talks in two and a half days. Logilab will have three
people there and we already know we will miss most of them, even with
three pairs of eyeballs and three different rooms, for we will spend time
discussing with people and presenting stuff at our booth. 

If we miss most of them, what about the people that will come alone ?

If we have to wait for the end of the conference to read the slides online
and realize that we shouldn't have missed a chance to chat with that
person that just flew back to india or the states or that instead of
attending that talk that we actually knew most of the content beforehand
we had better spend more time on our booth, we can't "optimize" the time
spent at the conference.

E-mail is a narrowband medium compared to face-to-face chat. IMHO, the
main advantage of a conference is to actually meet people. You don't need
to go to a conf to get a glance at slides, but if you want to ask
questions to the author or bounce ideas around, you pretty much won't get
away without going :^). Moreover, on one hand slides are not papers and
are not meant to convey as much and as detailed information and on the
other hand, people reading interesting slides could say "I wasn't planning
on attending, but I need to meet this guy".

My conclusion: the value of the conference is not as much in the slides
and talks themselves, but in the meeting of people and the large sharing
of information and opinions which cannot be done online. In a sense, not
putting the slides on-line is like telling attendees "we're organizing a
great event, but can't tell you publicly about the program because you
wouldn't get as great an edge on people that don't attend and don't pay to
learn about stuff like you are about to do".

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 12 12:10:41 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:10:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121211330.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <1023878244.3d0724642324f@webmail.in-berlin.de> <71870000.1023878738@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <03a401c21201$ca58ce00$1e71a8c0@u10136>

To all,

No offence to anybody, but please in the future discuss such things when
they appear on the list.... not the day after people discussed (not much
discussion then, accept for the motivations of Nicolas why to put it
online (if I recall right)...) it the day before and performed some
work. Everything has to quick now, the conference is soon there, I don't
wait long these days before I put something online (even if nobody
discussed it).
Mostly of the time you've to ask 20 times before people react (and it's
not funny to get reactions after something is done, after you've put
your time in it), so it's just not worth to wait (sorry for my bad
mode). Do you know that I work these days till 04.00 o'clock in the
morning and that I get nothing in return? All my other projects are on
halt, so they bring me no income. I'm lucky that I still have a fixed
day job, which also suffers now.

Discuss it now and make a decission, I'm willing to accept every
outcome, but I'm not in the mode to change it everytime again.

Again, not posted to anyone particular, and sorry for my bad moods.

Tom.

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> +1
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 12:37:24 +0200 Dinu Gherman
> <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de> wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:
>>
>>> I think it would be nicer to link from the talks list...
>>> Any way to add an icon to the talk if its material is
>>> online then link from its description page ?
>>>
>>> I agree it's far from being a top priority item...
>>
>> Maybe I'm too oldfashioned, and yes, I'm also inhabiting
>> cyberspace, but I wonder if it has already become common
>> practice to put conference slides online *before* the
>> event?
>>
>> I understand visitors could prepare much better to ask
>> mean questions during presentations, or be better able
>> to chose which one to attend, but some might decide not
>> to come at all.
>>
>> And then, there would be a missing ritual final bang to
>> start sharing the content with people who where not so
>> lucky to attend, but were eagerly waiting.
>>
>> Well, as I said, maybe I'm too oldfashioned...
>>
>> Dinu
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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>
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From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 12 12:27:16 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:27:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121250070.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D073014.2000300@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
 >
> I'm all for debating that point and will happily remove the slides I put
> online if we agree we shouldn't. Here is my opinion :
> 
> There are over 30 talks in two and a half days. Logilab will have three
> people there and we already know we will miss most of them, even with
> three pairs of eyeballs and three different rooms, for we will spend time
> discussing with people and presenting stuff at our booth. 
> 
> If we miss most of them, what about the people that will come alone ?
> 
> If we have to wait for the end of the conference to read the slides online
> and realize that we shouldn't have missed a chance to chat with that
> person that just flew back to india or the states or that instead of
> attending that talk that we actually knew most of the content beforehand
> we had better spend more time on our booth, we can't "optimize" the time
> spent at the conference.
> 
> E-mail is a narrowband medium compared to face-to-face chat. IMHO, the
> main advantage of a conference is to actually meet people. You don't need
> to go to a conf to get a glance at slides, but if you want to ask
> questions to the author or bounce ideas around, you pretty much won't get
> away without going :^). Moreover, on one hand slides are not papers and
> are not meant to convey as much and as detailed information and on the
> other hand, people reading interesting slides could say "I wasn't planning
> on attending, but I need to meet this guy".
> 
> My conclusion: the value of the conference is not as much in the slides
> and talks themselves, but in the meeting of people and the large sharing
> of information and opinions which cannot be done online. In a sense, not
> putting the slides on-line is like telling attendees "we're organizing a
> great event, but can't tell you publicly about the program because you
> wouldn't get as great an edge on people that don't attend and don't pay to
> learn about stuff like you are about to do".

Huh ?

The talk database has enough details to decide whether it's
important to go to a talk or nor. We are certainly giving
attendees enough information w/r to the talks.

Giving them *all* the content of the talks now is not
required and may even have a negative effect in the sense
that people will stay away from the conference.

I'm +1 on gathering the existing PDFs in a non-public place
on the web-site, but -1 on making them public.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 12 12:51:17 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:51:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <3D073014.2000300@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121250070.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D073014.2000300@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <1023882677.3d0735b5bd9e2@webmail.in-berlin.de>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:

> I'm +1 on gathering the existing PDFs in a non-public place
> on the web-site, but -1 on making them public.

I fully understand Nicholas' reasoning and have also 
experienced the same "conference time lack" phenomenon. 
As MAL says, if we can make the PDFs accessible just 
for us before the event and publically after the con-
ference or, heck, why not on day one, I'd be happier.

Of course there's no obligation to make me happy, but
I noticed this topic started only y'day, if I'm not 
mistaken, and some people tend not to read instantly
every email or click every link it contains. I apo-
logize for being one of them!

Dinu

PS: A little Zope-challenge for hiding the PDFs:
    How to put them in a folder, named using a GMT-
    timestamp, like europython.org/pres/20020612/? ;-)



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 12:58:11 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:58:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <1023882677.3d0735b5bd9e2@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Dinu Gherman wrote:

> "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:
> 
> > I'm +1 on gathering the existing PDFs in a non-public place
> > on the web-site, but -1 on making them public.
> 
> I fully understand Nicholas' reasoning and have also 
> experienced the same "conference time lack" phenomenon. 
> As MAL says, if we can make the PDFs accessible just 
> for us before the event and publically after the con-
> ference or, heck, why not on day one, I'd be happier.

As I said, I'm all for public consensus. As it appears that every opinion
expressed so far goes against mine, let's remove the PDFs unless ten voice
are heard today (since not everyone is online at the moment) saying we
should leave them.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Alexandre.Fayolle@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 13:10:31 2002
From: Alexandre.Fayolle@logilab.fr (Alexandre)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:10:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <20020612121031.GG8354@orion.logilab.fr>

On Tue, Jun 11, 2002 at 10:57:21PM +0100, Andy Robinson wrote:

> Until friday lunchtime I thought we had ONE room and one morning so I left
> it as set out now in the database, 4 x 45min talks.  Then, later on, Tom
> said an extra room was available for half the morning, and Alexandre Fayolle
> said he wanted as much time as possible; but I ran out of time to actually
> pin the times down. I propose to give Alexandre Fayolle 2 hours 15 minutes,
> so we have this:
> 
> Room A:
>   9:00-10:30, 11:00-11:45:  Alexandre Fayolle, Python and XML
>   11:45-12:30               Alex Martelli, Creating Python Extensions in C
> 
> Room B:
>  9:00-9:45 Alex Martelli, Iterators and Generators for Fun and Profit
>  9:45-10:30 Jacob Hallén, Threading in Python

That's fine with me. 45 minutes was a short (but manageable), 135 is much 
more than I would have expected. 90 minutes is a duration with which I'd
be equally confortable, so if, say, Alex Martelly thinks he needs more
time for Iterators and Generators as Laura seems to say, I have no
problem with giving him 45 minutes, which would mean something like:

Room A:
 09:00-11:00 Alexandre Fayolle, Python and XML
 11:00-12:30 Alex Martelli, Iterators and Generators...

Room B:
 9:00-9:45 Alex Martelli, Python Extensions in C
 9:45-10:30 Jacob Hallén, Threading in Python


Alexandre Fayolle
-- 
LOGILAB, Paris (France).
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Narval, the first software agent available as free software (GPL).



From Alexandre.Fayolle@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 13:18:42 2002
From: Alexandre.Fayolle@logilab.fr (Alexandre)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:18:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
In-Reply-To: <200206120418.g5C4Il34027256@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <200206120418.g5C4Il34027256@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20020612121842.GH8354@orion.logilab.fr>

On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 06:18:47AM +0200, Laura Creighton wrote:

> This  is Ok from AB Strakt's end.  Alex has 2 tutorials, and while
> the Extensions one is playing nicely and fitting into 45 minutes, 
> Iterators and Generators would like to be larger, but Alex can
> force it to fit.  Jacob's threading tutorial fits nicely in 45 minutes.
> We are getting these tutorials videotapes for the AB Strakt library,
> so the fact that they do not overlap in separate rooms is good for us.
> When the extra time became available, we didn't know if that was going
> to be possible.  So from our end the only sadness is not being able
> to attend Alexandre Fayolle's XML talk.  Schedule Alex's Iterators
> in the room that is likely to have extra time, if such a room exists.
> Do not worry about it if this is not possible -- Alex can make it fit
> into 45 minutes as promised.

See my proposition in my previous email to the list. It has the
advantage of allowing *me* to attend Alex's Iterator and Generator
tutorial. ;o)

Alexandre Fayolle
-- 
LOGILAB, Paris (France).
http://www.logilab.com   http://www.logilab.fr  http://www.logilab.org
Narval, the first software agent available as free software (GPL).



From lac@strakt.com  Wed Jun 12 13:19:56 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:19:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
 of "Wed, 12 Jun 2002 13:03:57 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121250070.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121250070.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <200206121219.g5CCJu34029021@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

<snip good stuff>
 
> E-mail is a narrowband medium compared to face-to-face chat. IMHO, the
> main advantage of a conference is to actually meet people. You don't need
> to go to a conf to get a glance at slides, but if you want to ask
> questions to the author or bounce ideas around, you pretty much won't get
> away without going :^). Moreover, on one hand slides are not papers and
> are not meant to convey as much and as detailed information and on the
> other hand, people reading interesting slides could say "I wasn't planning
> on attending, but I need to meet this guy".
> 
> My conclusion: the value of the conference is not as much in the slides
> and talks themselves, but in the meeting of people and the large sharing
> of information and opinions which cannot be done online. In a sense, not
> putting the slides on-line is like telling attendees "we're organizing a
> great event, but can't tell you publicly about the program because you
> wouldn't get as great an edge on people that don't attend and don't pay to
> learn about stuff like you are about to do".
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Chauvat
> 
 +1000

But it is _ok_ if you are _too busy_ to get the slides to happen.  

I get precisely the same feeling about 'the value of a conference is
that you can get in on some deep secret that non-attendees miss out on'
as 'closed source is better, because only qualified people get to
see the source'.  If so many people have read your presentation, and
studied it up well that giving it would be boring .... then you have
the most incredible opportunity in the world.  A room full of people
who are as well-informed of your project as you could make them.
You lucky dog.  Go explore 'new directions for your project' with
a room full of the most talented, dedicated, creative people in the
business, who still want to talk with you because _they think what
you are doing is interesting_ ... at the very least.

Laura



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 12 13:48:58 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:48:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D07433A.90002@lemburg.com>

To end this discussion:

We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.
This should enable the track chairmen to upload the data they
receive and makes the whole process of putting the slides
online a matter of adjusting the permissions.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From aleax@aleax.it  Wed Jun 12 14:47:44 2002
From: aleax@aleax.it (Alex Martelli)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:47:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!
Message-ID: <E17I8Tw-000740-00@mail.python.org>

I hear there is debate about removing Nicolas Chavaut's presentations from 
the site (for some reason I'm not getting most/all msgs, so pls Cc me 
personally if responding, thanks!).  I hope they stay, and indeed I hope more
presentations go up!  Including mine -- I have the .PPT files ready and if
anybody knows how best to put them into formats acceptable for EuroPython
(such as PDF as mentioned on the site -- I don't have any PPT-to-PDF products 
installed on the Windows-XP laptop where I can run PowerPoint...) I'd be 
overjoyed to send them -- just let me know.

The value of going to a conference is human contact.  If the presenter is any 
good, the actual, real-life, face-to-face, interactive presentation will be 
far more valuable than whatever's on a .PPT (or equivalente) slides 
collection.  The value will also be quite different (not lesser or greater, 
but different) than a paper with the same information -- a paper affords more 
opportunity to reflect, re-read, and ponder, but a live presentation affords 
far more opportunity for _interaction_.  That's why I'm so keen on having my 
slides up well in advance, handouts in people's hands (in advance if that 
could possibly be arranged!) and so on -- the more time I give to the people 
who will be at my talk to study the materials I'll be presenting, the higher 
quality the interaction we'll have during my actual presentation.  The one 
thing I hate most when I present something is to see attenders busy writing 
down the same stuff that's on my slides, which interferes with their 
listening, and asking questions, i.e., with the real potential for "added 
value" of a conference over a bunch of papers.

Personally, all other things being equal, I'd far rather attend a conference 
where I _know_ roughly what will be presented and discussed, rather than one 
where no materials have been made available in advance.


Alex



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 12 14:56:04 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:56:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!
References: <E17I8Tw-000740-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <3D0752F4.20202@lemburg.com>

Please, no more discussions about this.

We can make the slides available on day1, but no earlier.
If you want to prepare handouts, that's fine.

Alex Martelli wrote:
> I hear there is debate about removing Nicolas Chavaut's presentations from 
> the site (for some reason I'm not getting most/all msgs, so pls Cc me 
> personally if responding, thanks!).  I hope they stay, and indeed I hope more
> presentations go up!  Including mine -- I have the .PPT files ready and if
> anybody knows how best to put them into formats acceptable for EuroPython
> (such as PDF as mentioned on the site -- I don't have any PPT-to-PDF products 
> installed on the Windows-XP laptop where I can run PowerPoint...) I'd be 
> overjoyed to send them -- just let me know.

Just send me the PPT file (be sure to mark "include fonts" when
saving). I can convert it to PDF then.

> The value of going to a conference is human contact.  If the presenter is any 
> good, the actual, real-life, face-to-face, interactive presentation will be 
> far more valuable than whatever's on a .PPT (or equivalente) slides 
> collection.  The value will also be quite different (not lesser or greater, 
> but different) than a paper with the same information -- a paper affords more 
> opportunity to reflect, re-read, and ponder, but a live presentation affords 
> far more opportunity for _interaction_.  That's why I'm so keen on having my 
> slides up well in advance, handouts in people's hands (in advance if that 
> could possibly be arranged!) and so on -- the more time I give to the people 
> who will be at my talk to study the materials I'll be presenting, the higher 
> quality the interaction we'll have during my actual presentation.  The one 
> thing I hate most when I present something is to see attenders busy writing 
> down the same stuff that's on my slides, which interferes with their 
> listening, and asking questions, i.e., with the real potential for "added 
> value" of a conference over a bunch of papers.
> 
> Personally, all other things being equal, I'd far rather attend a conference 
> where I _know_ roughly what will be presented and discussed, rather than one 
> where no materials have been made available in advance.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 14:59:40 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:59:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!
In-Reply-To: <E17I8Tw-000740-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121557040.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Alex Martelli wrote:

> I hear there is debate about removing Nicolas Chavaut's presentations from 
> the site (for some reason I'm not getting most/all msgs, so pls Cc me 
> personally if responding, thanks!).  I hope they stay, and indeed I hope more
> presentations go up!  Including mine -- I have the .PPT files ready and if
> anybody knows how best to put them into formats acceptable for EuroPython
> (such as PDF as mentioned on the site -- I don't have any PPT-to-PDF products 
> installed on the Windows-XP laptop where I can run PowerPoint...) I'd be 
> overjoyed to send them -- just let me know.

I can do that. And I'll turn your PPT slides into a PNG+HTML presentation
at the same time. Send it to me.

> The value of going to a conference is human contact.  If the presenter is any 
> ...
> Personally, all other things being equal, I'd far rather attend a conference 
> where I _know_ roughly what will be presented and discussed, rather than one 
> where no materials have been made available in advance.

Yeah ! Way to go. More people with me, we'll win that argument :-))

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 12 15:09:40 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:09:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!
In-Reply-To: <E17I8Tw-000740-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E17I8Tw-000740-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1023890980.3d07562413751@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Just a comment to Alex' and Laura's remarks, not an attempt
to continue this discussion... I feel being dragged on your 
side - ask me again tomorrow and I'll be there! 

If the nature of the conference had been earlier expressed 
more explicitly as one with participants being *expected 
to prepare* for the event (always a good idea, but rarely 
the case) I had never brought this up.

As a self-punishment (deserved or not) I'll try to finish 
my own slides by tomorrow and put them somewhere online, 
hoping not to be too much undermining the organizers' au-
thority. ;-)

Regards,

Dinu



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 12 15:11:09 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:11:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope voting modules?
Message-ID: <1023891069.3d07567d6ffcf@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

totally unrelated to any ongoing or finished debates I do
wonder if there are any Zope voting products that one could 
have used so far? I'm writing "could" because I think now
it's pretty late already, but well, maybe for next year's 
sequel?

Dinu



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 12 15:15:45 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:15:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Creating PDF's on Windows for Free.
References: <E17I8Tw-000740-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <05f301c2121b$a4ff0ab0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

was Re: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!

Alex and others,

There is a nice way to export to PDF on Windows and it is a free one!
What you've to do is first print to a PostScript file, and then a
program can convert that ps file to pdf.
It is a really nice solution. Have a look at :
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg/

Regards,
Tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 12 15:16:28 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:16:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope voting modules?
References: <1023891069.3d07567d6ffcf@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <05f701c2121b$be591000$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> totally unrelated to any ongoing or finished debates I do
> wonder if there are any Zope voting products that one could
> have used so far? 

Yes there are....

> I'm writing "could" because I think now
> it's pretty late already, but well, maybe for next year's sequel?

:-) It's never to late, only somebody has to do it.

Tom.






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 12 15:23:25 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:23:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] $*"*$%*
Message-ID: <064e01c2121c$b72f9b90$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

Who closed the database connection on the site?

Tom.




From nico@tekNico.net  Wed Jun 12 15:33:02 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D07433A.90002@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net>

Sorry for the flame, I'm not really in the organization, I just translated 
the press release to Italian, and am paying to come to Charleroi, but I'm 
feeling rebellious. :^)


> To end this discussion:
 > ...
 > Please, no more discussions about this.

Sorry, can't comply. *You* better avoid trying to censor anyone.


> We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.

For the record, "We" being who?


I made a count of opinions on the matter.


The Soviet bureaucrats, "don't give away the goods too soon" bean-counters 
are (in order of appearence):

M. A. "Breznev" Lemburg
Dinu Gherman
Godefroid Chapelle
Joachim Schmitz


The Free Software philosophers, "we do it for the people" face-to-face 
cravers are:

Nicolas Chauvat
Laura Creighton ("+1000"? "You lucky dog"? I like this gal! ;^) )
Alex Martelli
Nicola Larosa (you guessed it)


*** LATEST NEWS: Dinu Gherman is going to the other side! ***


The poor sod caught in the middle of all this is:

Tom Deprez

(By the way, Tom, I really appreciate all the work you're putting into this.)


So, it looks like there isn't all that consensus yet, right? Let's put it 
more clearly: what makes you think you three are right, while at least four 
people are wrong, and telling us to just shut up?!? Come on, please!


(Now, where the heck did I put that asbesto suite I bought for Python 
conferences?)


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




From nico@tekNico.net  Wed Jun 12 15:33:50 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] $*"*$%*
References: <064e01c2121c$b72f9b90$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3D075BCE.9070705@tekNico.net>

> Who closed the database connection on the site?

Probably a coup-de-foudre of the Soviet Bureaucrats. ;^)


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




From paul@zope.com  Wed Jun 12 15:47:21 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:21 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D07433A.90002@lemburg.com> <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <3D075EF9.7030102@zope.com>

For the record, I don't feel censored.  I'm glad Marc-Andre is stepping 
in to make a decision and bring something to conclusion.  I don't think 
arguing every single point all the way up to the actual day of the 
conference is a recipe for success.

There is a group of people that have participated in every single IRC 
chat and have done actual work to plan the conference.  You can call 
them Brezhnev.  I call them admirable.

There's even a group of three people acting as an executive committee 
that agreed to bear the burden of responsibility, and we all agreed that 
they'd get some authority.  You might have missed this, but it was all 
discussed on this list.

In order for things to actually **get done** we all have to concede some 
amount of control to the people actually doing the work.  Sometimes this 
means living with decisions we don't like.  We have to be mature enough 
as a group to let the decision-makers make decisions, without extreme 
claims of "censorship" when your position doesn't win.

If it is something truly critical, then keep arguing.  But whether we 
make presentations available before the conference or not isn't life 
threatening, IMO.

--Paul

Nicola Larosa wrote:
> Sorry for the flame, I'm not really in the organization, I just 
> translated the press release to Italian, and am paying to come to 
> Charleroi, but I'm feeling rebellious. :^)
> 
> 
>> To end this discussion:
> 
>  > ...
>  > Please, no more discussions about this.
> 
> Sorry, can't comply. *You* better avoid trying to censor anyone.
> 
> 
>> We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.
> 
> 
> For the record, "We" being who?
> 
> 
> I made a count of opinions on the matter.
> 
> 
> The Soviet bureaucrats, "don't give away the goods too soon" 
> bean-counters are (in order of appearence):
> 
> M. A. "Breznev" Lemburg
> Dinu Gherman
> Godefroid Chapelle
> Joachim Schmitz
> 
> 
> The Free Software philosophers, "we do it for the people" face-to-face 
> cravers are:
> 
> Nicolas Chauvat
> Laura Creighton ("+1000"? "You lucky dog"? I like this gal! ;^) )
> Alex Martelli
> Nicola Larosa (you guessed it)
> 
> 
> *** LATEST NEWS: Dinu Gherman is going to the other side! ***
> 
> 
> The poor sod caught in the middle of all this is:
> 
> Tom Deprez
> 
> (By the way, Tom, I really appreciate all the work you're putting into 
> this.)
> 
> 
> So, it looks like there isn't all that consensus yet, right? Let's put 
> it more clearly: what makes you think you three are right, while at 
> least four people are wrong, and telling us to just shut up?!? Come on, 
> please!
> 
> 
> (Now, where the heck did I put that asbesto suite I bought for Python 
> conferences?)
> 
> 






From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 12 16:23:23 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:23:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121712550.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> The Soviet bureaucrats, "don't give away the goods too soon" bean-counters 
> are (in order of appearence):
> 
> M. A. "Breznev" Lemburg

Er, "Soviet Bureaucrat" might be ok with a huge-tongue-in-cheek, but take
care not to call him a nazi, or that would end the discussion too early
for us to get our point across... (Jon Dyte, are you around ? ;-)

MAL, Denis and Tom have done an awful lot of work for the conference. I
you want them to change their mind about something, you'd better buy them
a beer once there than start a true flamewar about a sensible subject.

I appreciate any help to prove my position is better though ;-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)





From nico@tekNico.net  Wed Jun 12 16:35:39 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:35:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D07433A.90002@lemburg.com> <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net> <3D075EF9.7030102@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3D076A4B.5020207@tekNico.net>

First, I apologize for having been harsh. I just don't feel like being told 
to shut up. And a good part of is actually was tongue-in-cheek, after all.


> In order for things to actually **get done** we all have to concede some 
> amount of control to the people actually doing the work.  Sometimes this 
> means living with decisions we don't like.  We have to be mature enough 
> as a group to let the decision-makers make decisions, without extreme 
> claims of "censorship" when your position doesn't win.

Sorry, Paul, I don't buy this.

Sure, the charter of this list is the organization of Europython, sure, 
three people have been delegated some powers, sure, we have to accept their 
decisions, if we wish to let them work.

But in this case the work *had already been done*. The stuff was already on 
the site, and this decision does not build anything, just takes something back.

Such a policy decision better be sustained by a clear consensus. Instead, 
one member of the executive committee openly chooses to ignore the opinions 
of a substantial chunk of the contributing people, and takes back something 
valuable, while shutting down any contrary opinion.

A case of "public servant gone bad", if I ever saw one.

Besides, wasn't all this about open access to tools and information? Suppose 
right now speakers put slides and papers on sites of their own, what are you 
going to do, ask them to take those down?


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




From nico@tekNico.net  Wed Jun 12 16:35:44 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:35:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121712550.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D076A50.4090004@tekNico.net>

> Er, "Soviet Bureaucrat" might be ok with a huge-tongue-in-cheek,

I would definitely swear it was there, yes. ;^)


> but take care not to call him a nazi, or that would end the discussion
 > too early for us to get our point across... (Jon Dyte, are you around ? ;-)

Don't worry, I won't, I realized he's German. But you can call me "fascist" 
if you like. :^)

And, I was under the impression that the discussion was already over, as far 
as he's concerned. :^(


> MAL, Denis and Tom have done an awful lot of work for the conference. I
> you want them to change their mind about something, you'd better buy them
> a beer once there than start a true flamewar about a sensible subject.

Well, that would be nice, but something tells it would be too late, in this 
case. ;^)


> I appreciate any help to prove my position is better though ;-)

I'm not quite sure I helped the case. :-|


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Presentations online (Laura Creighton)
   2. Re: Presentations online (M.-A. Lemburg)
   3. by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...! (Alex Martelli)
   4. Re: by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...! (M.-A. Lemburg)
   5. Re: by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...! (Nicolas Chauvat)
   6. Re: by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...! (Dinu Gherman)
   7. Zope voting modules? (Dinu Gherman)
   8. Creating PDF's on Windows for Free. (Tom Deprez)
   9. Re: Zope voting modules? (Tom Deprez)
  10. $*"*$%* (Tom Deprez)
  11. Re: Presentations online (Nicola Larosa)
  12. Re: $*"*$%* (Nicola Larosa)
  13. Re: Presentations online (Paul Everitt)
  14. Re: Presentations online (Nicolas Chauvat)
  15. Re: Presentations online (Nicola Larosa)

--__--__--

Message: 1
To: Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
cc: Dinu Gherman <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>, europython@python.org,
   lac@strakt.com
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Presentations online 
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:19:56 +0200
From: Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com>

<snip good stuff>
 
> E-mail is a narrowband medium compared to face-to-face chat. IMHO, the
> main advantage of a conference is to actually meet people. You don't need
> to go to a conf to get a glance at slides, but if you want to ask
> questions to the author or bounce ideas around, you pretty much won't get
> away without going :^). Moreover, on one hand slides are not papers and
> are not meant to convey as much and as detailed information and on the
> other hand, people reading interesting slides could say "I wasn't planning
> on attending, but I need to meet this guy".
> 
> My conclusion: the value of the conference is not as much in the slides
> and talks themselves, but in the meeting of people and the large sharing
> of information and opinions which cannot be done online. In a sense, not
> putting the slides on-line is like telling attendees "we're organizing a
> great event, but can't tell you publicly about the program because you
> wouldn't get as great an edge on people that don't attend and don't pay to
> learn about stuff like you are about to do".
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Chauvat
> 
 +1000

But it is _ok_ if you are _too busy_ to get the slides to happen.  

I get precisely the same feeling about 'the value of a conference is
that you can get in on some deep secret that non-attendees miss out on'
as 'closed source is better, because only qualified people get to
see the source'.  If so many people have read your presentation, and
studied it up well that giving it would be boring .... then you have
the most incredible opportunity in the world.  A room full of people
who are as well-informed of your project as you could make them.
You lucky dog.  Go explore 'new directions for your project' with
a room full of the most talented, dedicated, creative people in the
business, who still want to talk with you because _they think what
you are doing is interesting_ ... at the very least.

Laura



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 14:48:58 +0200
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH
To: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Presentations online

To end this discussion:

We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.
This should enable the track chairmen to upload the data they
receive and makes the whole process of putting the slides
online a matter of adjusting the permissions.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




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Message: 3
From: Alex Martelli <aleax@aleax.it>
Organization: None in Sight
To: europython@python.org
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:47:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!

I hear there is debate about removing Nicolas Chavaut's presentations from 
the site (for some reason I'm not getting most/all msgs, so pls Cc me 
personally if responding, thanks!).  I hope they stay, and indeed I hope more
presentations go up!  Including mine -- I have the .PPT files ready and if
anybody knows how best to put them into formats acceptable for EuroPython
(such as PDF as mentioned on the site -- I don't have any PPT-to-PDF products 
installed on the Windows-XP laptop where I can run PowerPoint...) I'd be 
overjoyed to send them -- just let me know.

The value of going to a conference is human contact.  If the presenter is any 
good, the actual, real-life, face-to-face, interactive presentation will be 
far more valuable than whatever's on a .PPT (or equivalente) slides 
collection.  The value will also be quite different (not lesser or greater, 
but different) than a paper with the same information -- a paper affords more 
opportunity to reflect, re-read, and ponder, but a live presentation affords 
far more opportunity for _interaction_.  That's why I'm so keen on having my 
slides up well in advance, handouts in people's hands (in advance if that 
could possibly be arranged!) and so on -- the more time I give to the people 
who will be at my talk to study the materials I'll be presenting, the higher 
quality the interaction we'll have during my actual presentation.  The one 
thing I hate most when I present something is to see attenders busy writing 
down the same stuff that's on my slides, which interferes with their 
listening, and asking questions, i.e., with the real potential for "added 
value" of a conference over a bunch of papers.

Personally, all other things being equal, I'd far rather attend a conference 
where I _know_ roughly what will be presented and discussed, rather than one 
where no materials have been made available in advance.


Alex



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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:56:04 +0200
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH
To: Alex Martelli <aleax@aleax.it>
CC: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!

Please, no more discussions about this.

We can make the slides available on day1, but no earlier.
If you want to prepare handouts, that's fine.

Alex Martelli wrote:
> I hear there is debate about removing Nicolas Chavaut's presentations from 
> the site (for some reason I'm not getting most/all msgs, so pls Cc me 
> personally if responding, thanks!).  I hope they stay, and indeed I hope more
> presentations go up!  Including mine -- I have the .PPT files ready and if
> anybody knows how best to put them into formats acceptable for EuroPython
> (such as PDF as mentioned on the site -- I don't have any PPT-to-PDF products 
> installed on the Windows-XP laptop where I can run PowerPoint...) I'd be 
> overjoyed to send them -- just let me know.

Just send me the PPT file (be sure to mark "include fonts" when
saving). I can convert it to PDF then.

> The value of going to a conference is human contact.  If the presenter is any 
> good, the actual, real-life, face-to-face, interactive presentation will be 
> far more valuable than whatever's on a .PPT (or equivalente) slides 
> collection.  The value will also be quite different (not lesser or greater, 
> but different) than a paper with the same information -- a paper affords more 
> opportunity to reflect, re-read, and ponder, but a live presentation affords 
> far more opportunity for _interaction_.  That's why I'm so keen on having my 
> slides up well in advance, handouts in people's hands (in advance if that 
> could possibly be arranged!) and so on -- the more time I give to the people 
> who will be at my talk to study the materials I'll be presenting, the higher 
> quality the interaction we'll have during my actual presentation.  The one 
> thing I hate most when I present something is to see attenders busy writing 
> down the same stuff that's on my slides, which interferes with their 
> listening, and asking questions, i.e., with the real potential for "added 
> value" of a conference over a bunch of papers.
> 
> Personally, all other things being equal, I'd far rather attend a conference 
> where I _know_ roughly what will be presented and discussed, rather than one 
> where no materials have been made available in advance.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 15:59:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: Alex Martelli <aleax@aleax.it>
Cc: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!

On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Alex Martelli wrote:

> I hear there is debate about removing Nicolas Chavaut's presentations from 
> the site (for some reason I'm not getting most/all msgs, so pls Cc me 
> personally if responding, thanks!).  I hope they stay, and indeed I hope more
> presentations go up!  Including mine -- I have the .PPT files ready and if
> anybody knows how best to put them into formats acceptable for EuroPython
> (such as PDF as mentioned on the site -- I don't have any PPT-to-PDF products 
> installed on the Windows-XP laptop where I can run PowerPoint...) I'd be 
> overjoyed to send them -- just let me know.

I can do that. And I'll turn your PPT slides into a PNG+HTML presentation
at the same time. Send it to me.

> The value of going to a conference is human contact.  If the presenter is any 
> ...
> Personally, all other things being equal, I'd far rather attend a conference 
> where I _know_ roughly what will be presented and discussed, rather than one 
> where no materials have been made available in advance.

Yeah ! Way to go. More people with me, we'll win that argument :-))

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o· est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




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Message: 6
To: Alex Martelli <aleax@aleax.it>
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:09:40 +0200 (CEST)
From: Dinu Gherman <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>
Cc: europython@python.org

Just a comment to Alex' and Laura's remarks, not an attempt
to continue this discussion... I feel being dragged on your 
side - ask me again tomorrow and I'll be there! 

If the nature of the conference had been earlier expressed 
more explicitly as one with participants being *expected 
to prepare* for the event (always a good idea, but rarely 
the case) I had never brought this up.

As a self-punishment (deserved or not) I'll try to finish 
my own slides by tomorrow and put them somewhere online, 
hoping not to be too much undermining the organizers' au-
thority. ;-)

Regards,

Dinu



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Message: 7
To: europython@python.org
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:11:09 +0200 (CEST)
From: Dinu Gherman <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope voting modules?

Hi,

totally unrelated to any ongoing or finished debates I do
wonder if there are any Zope voting products that one could 
have used so far? I'm writing "could" because I think now
it's pretty late already, but well, maybe for next year's 
sequel?

Dinu



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Message: 8
Reply-To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: "Alex Martelli" <aleax@aleax.it>, <europython@python.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:15:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Creating PDF's on Windows for Free.

was Re: [EuroPython] by all means let's keep the slides downloadable...!

Alex and others,

There is a nice way to export to PDF on Windows and it is a free one!
What you've to do is first print to a PostScript file, and then a
program can convert that ps file to pdf.
It is a really nice solution. Have a look at :
http://www.lexacorp.com.pg/

Regards,
Tom




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Message: 9
Reply-To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: <europython@python.org>, "Dinu Gherman" <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Zope voting modules?
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:16:28 +0200

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> totally unrelated to any ongoing or finished debates I do
> wonder if there are any Zope voting products that one could
> have used so far? 

Yes there are....

> I'm writing "could" because I think now
> it's pretty late already, but well, maybe for next year's sequel?

:-) It's never to late, only somebody has to do it.

Tom.






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Message: 10
Reply-To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:23:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] $*"*$%*

Hi,

Who closed the database connection on the site?

Tom.




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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:02 +0200
From: Nicola Larosa <nico@tekNico.net>
To: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Presentations online

Sorry for the flame, I'm not really in the organization, I just translated 
the press release to Italian, and am paying to come to Charleroi, but I'm 
feeling rebellious. :^)


> To end this discussion:
 > ...
 > Please, no more discussions about this.

Sorry, can't comply. *You* better avoid trying to censor anyone.


> We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.

For the record, "We" being who?


I made a count of opinions on the matter.


The Soviet bureaucrats, "don't give away the goods too soon" bean-counters 
are (in order of appearence):

M. A. "Breznev" Lemburg
Dinu Gherman
Godefroid Chapelle
Joachim Schmitz


The Free Software philosophers, "we do it for the people" face-to-face 
cravers are:

Nicolas Chauvat
Laura Creighton ("+1000"? "You lucky dog"? I like this gal! ;^) )
Alex Martelli
Nicola Larosa (you guessed it)


*** LATEST NEWS: Dinu Gherman is going to the other side! ***


The poor sod caught in the middle of all this is:

Tom Deprez

(By the way, Tom, I really appreciate all the work you're putting into this.)


So, it looks like there isn't all that consensus yet, right? Let's put it 
more clearly: what makes you think you three are right, while at least four 
people are wrong, and telling us to just shut up?!? Come on, please!


(Now, where the heck did I put that asbesto suite I bought for Python 
conferences?)


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 16:33:50 +0200
From: Nicola Larosa <nico@tekNico.net>
To: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] $*"*$%*

> Who closed the database connection on the site?

Probably a coup-de-foudre of the Soviet Bureaucrats. ;^)


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 10:47:21 -0400
From: Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com>
Organization: Zope Corporation
To: Nicola Larosa <nico@tekNico.net>
CC: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Presentations online


For the record, I don't feel censored.  I'm glad Marc-Andre is stepping 
in to make a decision and bring something to conclusion.  I don't think 
arguing every single point all the way up to the actual day of the 
conference is a recipe for success.

There is a group of people that have participated in every single IRC 
chat and have done actual work to plan the conference.  You can call 
them Brezhnev.  I call them admirable.

There's even a group of three people acting as an executive committee 
that agreed to bear the burden of responsibility, and we all agreed that 
they'd get some authority.  You might have missed this, but it was all 
discussed on this list.

In order for things to actually **get done** we all have to concede some 
amount of control to the people actually doing the work.  Sometimes this 
means living with decisions we don't like.  We have to be mature enough 
as a group to let the decision-makers make decisions, without extreme 
claims of "censorship" when your position doesn't win.

If it is something truly critical, then keep arguing.  But whether we 
make presentations available before the conference or not isn't life 
threatening, IMO.

--Paul

Nicola Larosa wrote:
> Sorry for the flame, I'm not really in the organization, I just 
> translated the press release to Italian, and am paying to come to 
> Charleroi, but I'm feeling rebellious. :^)
> 
> 
>> To end this discussion:
> 
>  > ...
>  > Please, no more discussions about this.
> 
> Sorry, can't comply. *You* better avoid trying to censor anyone.
> 
> 
>> We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.
> 
> 
> For the record, "We" being who?
> 
> 
> I made a count of opinions on the matter.
> 
> 
> The Soviet bureaucrats, "don't give away the goods too soon" 
> bean-counters are (in order of appearence):
> 
> M. A. "Breznev" Lemburg
> Dinu Gherman
> Godefroid Chapelle
> Joachim Schmitz
> 
> 
> The Free Software philosophers, "we do it for the people" face-to-face 
> cravers are:
> 
> Nicolas Chauvat
> Laura Creighton ("+1000"? "You lucky dog"? I like this gal! ;^) )
> Alex Martelli
> Nicola Larosa (you guessed it)
> 
> 
> *** LATEST NEWS: Dinu Gherman is going to the other side! ***
> 
> 
> The poor sod caught in the middle of all this is:
> 
> Tom Deprez
> 
> (By the way, Tom, I really appreciate all the work you're putting into 
> this.)
> 
> 
> So, it looks like there isn't all that consensus yet, right? Let's put 
> it more clearly: what makes you think you three are right, while at 
> least four people are wrong, and telling us to just shut up?!? Come on, 
> please!
> 
> 
> (Now, where the heck did I put that asbesto suite I bought for Python 
> conferences?)
> 
> 






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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:23:23 +0200 (CEST)
From: Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: Nicola Larosa <nico@tekNico.net>
Cc: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Presentations online

> The Soviet bureaucrats, "don't give away the goods too soon" bean-counters 
> are (in order of appearence):
> 
> M. A. "Breznev" Lemburg

Er, "Soviet Bureaucrat" might be ok with a huge-tongue-in-cheek, but take
care not to call him a nazi, or that would end the discussion too early
for us to get our point across... (Jon Dyte, are you around ? ;-)

MAL, Denis and Tom have done an awful lot of work for the conference. I
you want them to change their mind about something, you'd better buy them
a beer once there than start a true flamewar about a sensible subject.

I appreciate any help to prove my position is better though ;-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o· est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)





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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:35:39 +0200
From: Nicola Larosa <nico@tekNico.net>
To: europython@python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Presentations online

First, I apologize for having been harsh. I just don't feel like being told 
to shut up. And a good part of is actually was tongue-in-cheek, after all.


> In order for things to actually **get done** we all have to concede some 
> amount of control to the people actually doing the work.  Sometimes this 
> means living with decisions we don't like.  We have to be mature enough 
> as a group to let the decision-makers make decisions, without extreme 
> claims of "censorship" when your position doesn't win.

Sorry, Paul, I don't buy this.

Sure, the charter of this list is the organization of Europython, sure, 
three people have been delegated some powers, sure, we have to accept their 
decisions, if we wish to let them work.

But in this case the work *had already been done*. The stuff was already on 
the site, and this decision does not build anything, just takes something back.

Such a policy decision better be sustained by a clear consensus. Instead, 
one member of the executive committee openly chooses to ignore the opinions 
of a substantial chunk of the contributing people, and takes back something 
valuable, while shutting down any contrary opinion.

A case of "public servant gone bad", if I ever saw one.

Besides, wasn't all this about open access to tools and information? Suppose 
right now speakers put slides and papers on sites of their own, what are you 
going to do, ask them to take those down?


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the parser can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net





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End of EuroPython Digest




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 12 19:23:30 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 20:23:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121712550.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D076A50.4090004@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <012301c2123e$4b14ec90$af8d84d5@skullsplitter>

I would rather not have such talk on the mailing list. Discussions
should be open and respectfull for every person with his own opinion.
I appreciate everybodies opinion, but I would rather like to have a more
'civilised' way without throwing some words to people.

These mails gives us really negative energy and that's the least we need
to have now. We still try to do our best to make this even happen and
make something great of it.

I'm not going to be that responsive next days, because of some bad
personal news I just heard this evening when I arrived at home.
(If you knew the reason, some people probably find it silly, but I
don't)

Tom.

>> Er, "Soviet Bureaucrat" might be ok with a huge-tongue-in-cheek,
>
[snip]





From j-david@noos.fr  Wed Jun 12 23:24:22 2002
From: j-david@noos.fr (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 00:24:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Schedule
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEIJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <037001c21195$058fbaa0$788d84d5@skullsplitter> <63390000.1023864065@[10.2.1.1]> <3D06F4EA.1000901@noos.fr> <66140000.1023867473@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <3D07CA16.1080904@noos.fr>

I've tried a similar configuration in my notebook: Zope 2.4.4,
Localizer from the CVS, and a Localizer object in the root of
the web site. It works.

I also tried to remove the Localizer object from the EuroPython
site, but it also failed.

I can't fix it if I can't reproduce it. I doubt it's the Localizer's
fault, but just to be sure, if someone could send me the Data.fs, a
tgz with all the products and everything else needed to set up a
similar server I would try to made more tests this weekend.



Joachim Schmitz wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I am using a modified load_site.py, but it is reproduceble with the 
> original load_site.py
>
> python load_site.py -u jschmitz:xxxx  http://www.europython.org/Talks 
> test.html
>
> results in:
>
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 380, in ?
>    if __name__=='__main__': main()
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 174, in 
> main
>    for f in files: upload_file(object, f)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 193, in 
> upload_file
>    return globals()['upload_'+ext](object, f)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 336, in 
> upload_html
>    call(object.manage_addDTMLDocument, id=name, title=title, file=body)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/utilities/load_site.py", line 178, in 
> call
>    try: apply(f,args, kw)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py", 
> line 181, in __call__
>    if hasattr(v,'read'): return self._mp_call(kw)
>  File "/usr/local/Zope-2.4.1-src/lib/python/ZPublisher/Client.py", 
> line 287, in _mp_call
>    raise 'BadReply','Bad reply from server: '+line
> BadReply: Bad reply from server: HTTP/1.1 500
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Juni 12, 2002 09:14:50 +0200 Juan David Ibáñez Palomar 
> <j-david@noos.fr> wrote:
>
>>
>> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tom,
>>>
>>> I added the room field on my local test-site. But there is something
>>> strange going on at the server.
>>>
>>> first thing was that is no longer reachable unde europython2.zope.nl.
>>> I changed to
>>> www.europython.org, that works.
>>>
>>> I normally upload my modifications with a script, it used to work, but
>>> now I get an error, I assume it has something to do with the localizer
>>> product.
>>>





From denis@aragne.com  Thu Jun 13 03:14:36 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 04:14:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D07433A.90002@lemburg.com> <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <20020613041436.H7946@carolo.net>

Le Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 04:33:02PM +0200, Nicola Larosa pianota:
> 
> >We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.
> 
> For the record, "We" being who?

Tom, Marc-Andre and me.
 
> I made a count of opinions on the matter.

Do you want mine ? I would have agreed with Nicolas, but it's not a
vital problem (like Paul said). So, I will follow what "we" have 
decided, no time for long discussions.

For me, you may discuss the point on the list provided you keep
friendly and you don't ask Marc-Andre to loose precious time developping
a long argumentation. Perhaps you could even set up another poll, it's
nice to see you getting involved with the decisions.

While we're waiting for the vote results, we'll keep the slides hidden
though. :-)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de  Thu Jun 13 06:44:07 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 07:44:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
In-Reply-To: <20020613041436.H7946@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <E17INP4-0006dY-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 04:14:36 +0200, Denis wrote:

>a long argumentation. Perhaps you could even set up another poll, it's
>nice to see you getting involved with the decisions.

At first, I was also for not showing them. But Laura and Nicols made 
some very good points.

That aside, the people that do the work make the decisions, especially  =

in a situation where only 2 weeks are left. 


Ciao, J=FCrgen





From nico@tekNico.net  Thu Jun 13 07:34:40 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 08:34:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Presentations online
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206121356120.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3D07433A.90002@lemburg.com> <3D075B9E.7060108@tekNico.net> <20020613041436.H7946@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3D083D00.2080702@tekNico.net>

>>> We have decided to make the pages only available to site managers.
>> For the record, "We" being who?

> Tom, Marc-Andre and me.

Thanks for the clarification. As Paul said, I should have realized this 
already, and with group maturity to boot.


>> I made a count of opinions on the matter.

> Do you want mine ? I would have agreed with Nicolas, but it's not a
> vital problem (like Paul said).

Good to know, the imbalance between expectations and decisions grows even more.


> So, I will follow what "we" have decided, no time for long discussions.

We'll all will, and please note that gratitude for the work done was never 
in discussion. Only some unpleasant side effects.


> For me, you may discuss the point on the list provided you keep
> friendly

It's always nice not being told to shut up.


> and you don't ask Marc-Andre to loose precious time developping
> a long argumentation.

I'm not.


> Perhaps you could even set up another poll, it's
> nice to see you getting involved with the decisions.

It doesn't really look necessary, opinions have been stated here.


> While we're waiting for the vote results, we'll keep the slides hidden
> though. :-)

You know, I didn't really hope that Benevolence of Dictators would extend 
that much. Only, let's hope it's not really For Life. ;^)

And now, for something completely different...


-- 
"Too much cleverness in the *committee* can turn against you."
   Guido Van Rossum, apocryphal

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net




From Alexandre.Fayolle@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 13 11:28:14 2002
From: Alexandre.Fayolle@logilab.fr (Alexandre)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:28:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] whiteboard/paperboard?
Message-ID: <20020613102814.GF3808@orion.logilab.fr>

Hello,

Is it possible to get a whiteboard or a paperboard in the conference
rooms? I know I'd be especially glad to get one of these for the Tutorial 
I'll be giving. It sometimes make answering questions much easier. 

I can bring my own markers. ;o)

Alexandre Fayolle
-- 
LOGILAB, Paris (France).
http://www.logilab.com   http://www.logilab.fr  http://www.logilab.org
Narval, the first software agent available as free software (GPL).



From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 13 11:44:48 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 12:44:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] whiteboard/paperboard?
References: <20020613102814.GF3808@orion.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D0877A0.7070105@lemburg.com>

Alexandre wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Is it possible to get a whiteboard or a paperboard in the conference
> rooms? I know I'd be especially glad to get one of these for the Tutorial 
> I'll be giving. It sometimes make answering questions much easier. 

Good point.

We'll need something like this for the BoFs as well. I'll put
it on our (long) todo list.

> I can bring my own markers. ;o)
> 
> Alexandre Fayolle


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 13 12:07:05 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:07:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Volunteering to take care of the talks material
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206131247420.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Folks,

I'm done with the Science Track. I'm done with helping out Paul with the
LTalks. I'm almost done preparing my own talks. I need something else to
do for EuroPython :-)

Since during yesterday's discussion more people agreed with the "publish
early" opinion (something like 7 to 2) and since neither MAL, nor Denis,
nor Tom has time for this, I'd like to take care of it and make slides
available online again, then add a news item stating they are.

I offer to add to the page the following disclaimer:

In the true spirit of open source, you'll find here the slides that
speakers will be using for their talks. Please download them and read
them, then send your comments to the authors if you have any. We believe
that the true value of attending the conference lies in the opportunity to
exchange with other people and we believe publishing this material
beforehand will at the same time help us increase the quality of the
presentations and give a chance to the speakers to have the best possible
audience: one that already knows what they are talking about and can
engage in a discussion that will get right to the point and give maximum
benefit to everyone in a minimum amount of time.

and take on myself any burden related to the matter, which will be very
light compared to budget issues.

Any opposition around here ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From lac@strakt.com  Thu Jun 13 12:51:01 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:51:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Volunteering to take care of the talks material
In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
 of "Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:07:05 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206131247420.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206131247420.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <200206131151.g5DBp134001444@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Folks,
> =

> I'm done with the Science Track. I'm done with helping out Paul with the
> LTalks. I'm almost done preparing my own talks. I need something else to
> do for EuroPython :-)
> =

> Since during yesterday's discussion more people agreed with the "publish
> early" opinion (something like 7 to 2) and since neither MAL, nor Denis,
> nor Tom has time for this, I'd like to take care of it and make slides
> available online again, then add a news item stating they are.
> =

> I offer to add to the page the following disclaimer:
> =

> In the true spirit of open source, you'll find here the slides that
> speakers will be using for their talks. Please download them and read
> them, then send your comments to the authors if you have any. We believe
> that the true value of attending the conference lies in the opportunity =
to
> exchange with other people and we believe publishing this material
> beforehand will at the same time help us increase the quality of the
> presentations and give a chance to the speakers to have the best possibl=
e
> audience: one that already knows what they are talking about and can
> engage in a discussion that will get right to the point and give maximum
> benefit to everyone in a minimum amount of time.
> =

> and take on myself any burden related to the matter, which will be very
> light compared to budget issues.
> =

> Any opposition around here ?
> =

> -- =

> Nicolas Chauvat
> =

> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris=
 (France)
> =


Nicely done.

Laura



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Thu Jun 13 13:12:47 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:12:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd: [BioPython] logo!
Message-ID: <1023970367.3d088c3fdb554@webmail.in-berlin.de>

I'm sorry for abusing this list, but I hope Vincent, our
gifted logo designer, might want to pick up a terrific 
idea for a BioPython logo?! I used to work at EMBL my-
self, so please forgive me! ;-)

Vincent if you read this, there is no point in discussing
it on this list. If you're as thrilled about the idea as
I am please get in touch with one of the guys!

Thanks,

Dinu


----- Forwarded message from Iddo Friedberg <idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il> -----
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:01:51 +0300 (GMT+0300)
From: Iddo Friedberg <idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il>
Reply-To: Iddo Friedberg <idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il>
Subject: Re: [BioPython] logo!
To: Jeffrey Chang <jchang@smi.stanford.edu>


I always thought that a double helix, with inverted snakes as the
backbone, and short Python codelines connecting them as the hbonded
nucleotides would be a cool thing.

Unfortunately, Jeff is probably right in his

artistic_ability \equiv Inverse(f(coding_ability))

observation. Although I don't think I code as well as would be inferred
from the lack of my artistic ability. Must be a bound function.

Iddo



On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Jeffrey Chang wrote:

: Hi Rune,
:
: Thanks for the acknowledgment!Unfortunately, we don't have a logo.
: It's a deficiency that we're well aware of.It seems that coding
: ability is independent of (or worse, inversely related to) artistic
: abilities!
:
: Jeff
:
:
:
: On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 03:59:47PM +0200, Rune Linding - EMBL Biocomputing
Unit wrote:
: > hi!
: > we just realized that it would be nice of us to put biopython.org on our
: > acknowledgement page at http://elm.eu.org but i dont find any logo's i
: > could use....?! :)
: > r.
: > --
: > Rune Linding
: > EMBL - Biocomputing	lab	+49 6221 387451
: > Meyerhofstrasse 1	fax	+49 6221 387517
: > D-69117 Heidelberg	mobile	+49 1794 629313
: > Germany			url	http://www.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE/~linding
: >
: > Windows without the X is like making love without a partner.
: > 	-- MaDsen Wikholm, mwikholm@at8.abo.fi

--

Iddo Friedberg                                  | Tel: +972-2-6757374
Dept. of Molecular Genetics and Biotechnology   | Fax: +972-2-6757308
The Hebrew University - Hadassah Medical School | email: idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il
POB 12272, Jerusalem 91120                      |
Israel                                          |
http://bioinfo.md.huji.ac.il/marg/people-home/iddo/

_______________________________________________
BioPython mailing list  -  BioPython@biopython.org
http://biopython.org/mailman/listinfo/biopython

----- End forwarded message -----




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun 13 16:36:30 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 17:36:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd: [BioPython] logo!
References: <1023970367.3d088c3fdb554@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <042101c212f0$16f437b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

I'm not sure Vincent is following this list.
At the bottom of the EuroPython site, you can find a link to his
homepage and there you find an email to contact Vincent

Tom

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> I'm sorry for abusing this list, but I hope Vincent, our
> gifted logo designer, might want to pick up a terrific
> idea for a BioPython logo?! I used to work at EMBL my-
> self, so please forgive me! ;-)
>
> Vincent if you read this, there is no point in discussing
> it on this list. If you're as thrilled about the idea as
> I am please get in touch with one of the guys!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dinu
>
>
> ----- Forwarded message from Iddo Friedberg <idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il> ---
> -- Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 14:01:51 +0300 (GMT+0300)
> From: Iddo Friedberg <idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il>
> Reply-To: Iddo Friedberg <idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il>
> Subject: Re: [BioPython] logo!
> To: Jeffrey Chang <jchang@smi.stanford.edu>
>
>
> I always thought that a double helix, with inverted snakes as the
> backbone, and short Python codelines connecting them as the hbonded
> nucleotides would be a cool thing.
>
> Unfortunately, Jeff is probably right in his
>
> artistic_ability \equiv Inverse(f(coding_ability))
>
> observation. Although I don't think I code as well as would be
> inferred from the lack of my artistic ability. Must be a bound
> function.
>
> Iddo
>
>
>
> On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Jeffrey Chang wrote:
>
>> Hi Rune,
>>
>> Thanks for the acknowledgment!Unfortunately, we don't have a logo.
>> It's a deficiency that we're well aware of.It seems that coding
>> ability is independent of (or worse, inversely related to) artistic
>> abilities!
>>
>> Jeff
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2002 at 03:59:47PM +0200, Rune Linding - EMBL
>> Biocomputing
> Unit wrote:
>>> hi!
>>> we just realized that it would be nice of us to put biopython.org
>>> on our acknowledgement page at http://elm.eu.org but i dont find
>>> any logo's i could use....?! :)
>>> r.
>>> --
>>> Rune Linding
>>> EMBL - Biocomputing lab +49 6221 387451
>>> Meyerhofstrasse 1 fax +49 6221 387517
>>> D-69117 Heidelberg mobile +49 1794 629313
>>> Germany url http://www.EMBL-Heidelberg.DE/~linding
>>>
>>> Windows without the X is like making love without a partner.
>>> -- MaDsen Wikholm, mwikholm@at8.abo.fi
>
> Iddo Friedberg                                  | Tel: +972-2-6757374
> Dept. of Molecular Genetics and Biotechnology   | Fax: +972-2-6757308
> The Hebrew University - Hadassah Medical School | email:
idoerg@cc.huji.ac.il
> POB 12272, Jerusalem 91120                      |
> Israel                                          |
> http://bioinfo.md.huji.ac.il/marg/people-home/iddo/
>
> _______________________________________________
> BioPython mailing list  -  BioPython@biopython.org
> http://biopython.org/mailman/listinfo/biopython
>
> ----- End forwarded message -----
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Thu Jun 13 18:03:08 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2002 19:03:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] My SVG slides and first release of svglib.py 0.5 are available
Message-ID: <1023987788.3d08d04cd5153@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

as promised y'day I'm done with my slides, which would not 
be enough to announce this here anymore, but they are the 
only "documentation" right now for "svglib", a new extension 
module for reading SVG into ReportLab documents and/or con-
verting it into other formats. 

As that has not been yet announced anywhere I'm releasing 
these as a bundle, hoping someone might want to use it be-
fore the conference:

  http://python.net/~gherman/#svglib

As for the application track champions: please feel free
to add the referenced PDF file to your databases!

Regards,

Dinu



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 14 09:44:00 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 10:44:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track chairmen: Talk Database
Message-ID: <3D09ACD0.20503@lemburg.com>

While preparing the brochure, we have found that the talk database
contains text of varying quality.

Please correct the texts for your entries today or over the weekend
and especially spell check them !

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 14 15:30:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 16:30:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New Interview
Message-ID: <02c901c213b0$04e714a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi all,

New interview at EuroPython.

Have a look at
http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/laura_creighton

Regards




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri Jun 14 16:28:57 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:28:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] RDF Newsflashes? (Was: New Interview)
In-Reply-To: <02c901c213b0$04e714a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <02c901c213b0$04e714a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <1024068537.3d0a0bb9d7b97@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> New interview at EuroPython. Have a look at
> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/laura_creighton

I wanted to mention this earlier, but now it's a good 
opportunity to do so, although it's going to be rele-
vant only for EPC 2002+n.

Would it be possible to create an RDF file like this
SlashDot one for News items like this (which then would
point to web pages containing the news messages):

  http://slashdot.org/slashdot.xml

There are very nice programs to check these from the
desktop, like:

  http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/slashdock.html

Regards,

Dinu



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 14 16:32:32 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:32:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: RDF Newsflashes? (Was: New Interview)
References: <02c901c213b0$04e714a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1024068537.3d0a0bb9d7b97@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <037701c213b8$b3908ba0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

+1

Good idea, we need to think on this for next conferences. (then we've
more time to think :-)

Regards,
Tom.

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:
>
>> New interview at EuroPython. Have a look at
>> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/laura_creighton
>
> I wanted to mention this earlier, but now it's a good
> opportunity to do so, although it's going to be rele-
> vant only for EPC 2002+n.


> Would it be possible to create an RDF file like this
> SlashDot one for News items like this (which then would
> point to web pages containing the news messages):
>
>   http://slashdot.org/slashdot.xml
>
> There are very nice programs to check these from the
> desktop, like:
>
>
>
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/slashdock.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Dinu
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 14 16:44:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 17:44:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] We the Benevolent Dictators :-P declare...
Message-ID: <03ae01c213ba$522beb50$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

Seeing that some speakers would like to publish their work upfront, we
have reconsidered our previous decision on the subject. Those speakers
who want their talks online before the conference should contact Nicolas
Chauvat who will then put the PDF files on the EuroPython web-site.

We would especially like to encourage speakers giving tutorials to
consider this step since it would allow attendees to prepare for the
tutorials.

ps. Nicolas, we didn't mailed you directly, but I guess you don't mind
we've made you the contact person?

Regards,
EuroPython Team.




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Jun 14 17:16:56 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:16:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] We the Benevolent Dictators :-P declare...
In-Reply-To: <03ae01c213ba$522beb50$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206141813090.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 14 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Seeing that some speakers would like to publish their work upfront, we
> have reconsidered our previous decision on the subject.

We praise Sir Benevolent Dictator for his cleverness and will blindly
continue to follow him for he knows where to lead us.

> Those speakers who want their talks online before the conference
> should contact Nicolas Chauvat who will then put the PDF files on the
> EuroPython web-site.
>
> We would especially like to encourage speakers giving tutorials to
> consider this step since it would allow attendees to prepare for the
> tutorials.
> 
> ps. Nicolas, we didn't mailed you directly, but I guess you don't mind
> we've made you the contact person?

Nope. I'm done refactoring Logilab's network and net access (that's why
some of you may have experienced severe problems trying to contact us or
our web sites today), hence will handle these documents next monday.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 14 17:47:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2002 18:47:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] We the Benevolent Dictators :-P declare...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206141813090.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <045b01c213c3$3c4cece0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

>> Seeing that some speakers would like to publish their work upfront,
>> we have reconsidered our previous decision on the subject.
>
> We praise Sir Benevolent Dictator for his cleverness and will blindly
> continue to follow him for he knows where to lead us.

Ah, finally, great, we've some humble followers.
Know that thay have to speak about DictatorS :-).

Now, kneel and thay shall be released :-)

>> ps. Nicolas, we didn't mailed you directly, but I guess you don't
>> mind we've made you the contact person?
>
> Nope. I'm done refactoring Logilab's network and net access (that's
> why some of you may have experienced severe problems trying to
> contact us or our web sites today), hence will handle these documents
> next monday.

Great. Know my 'minion' that I have reset the permissions of the
presentation folder.

Regards,
Sir Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Jun 15 12:27:02 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:27:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Announcement: Interview on EuroPython
Message-ID: <00f101c2145f$96f5e060$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

An interview with Jim Fulton is online at EuroPython, have fun 
http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/jim_fulton

Tom.





From denis@aragne.com  Sat Jun 15 13:20:43 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:20:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [ANNOUNCE] EuroPython/Zope 2002 : D-10 Status
Message-ID: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net>

Hi Python fans,

Ten days left before EuroPython 2002 !

We're proud to announce that the 200th attendee has been registered
during last week. We'll have visitors from European countries (of
course), but also from India, Nepal, Uzbekistan, ... :-)
It will be a very important meeting which will be gathering all those
who will build a stronger Python presence during next years.

Don't miss it : http://www.europython.org

Regards,

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From shae@ScannedInAvian.com  Sun Jun 16 20:32:09 2002
From: shae@ScannedInAvian.com (Shae Matijs Erisson)
Date: 16 Jun 2002 22:32:09 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Announcement: Juergen Hermann Interview online
In-Reply-To: <00f101c2145f$96f5e060$048d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <87ofeb3tqe.fsf@webwitches.com>

An interview with Juergen Hermann is online at:
http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/juergen_hermann

enjoy,
-- 
Shae Matijs Erisson - http://www.webwitches.com/~shae/





From mwh@python.net  Mon Jun 17 10:49:34 2002
From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: 17 Jun 2002 10:49:34 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] [ANNOUNCE] EuroPython/Zope 2002 : D-10 Status
In-Reply-To: Denis Frere's message of "Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:20:43 +0200"
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>

Denis Frere <denis@aragne.com> writes:

> Hi Python fans,
> 
> Ten days left before EuroPython 2002 !

Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going to
be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get the
early afternoon flight?

Cheers,
M.

-- 
  There are two kinds of large software systems: those that evolved
  from small systems and those that don't work.
                           -- Seen on slashdot.org, then quoted by amk



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 17 15:39:54 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 16:39:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [ANNOUNCE] EuroPython/Zope 2002 : D-10 Status
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net> <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <05df01c2160c$d87b40d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

I'll have to leave at 12.00 o'clock.

But I guess there will be people staying in the afternoon. (But not at
the conference centre, since that isn't possible if I'm correct)

Tom.

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Denis Frere <denis@aragne.com> writes:
>
>> Hi Python fans,
>>
>> Ten days left before EuroPython 2002 !
>
> Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
> like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going to
> be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get the
> early afternoon flight?
>
> Cheers,
> M..
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From nico@tekNico.net  Mon Jun 17 16:57:38 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 17:57:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [ANNOUNCE] EuroPython/Zope 2002 : D-10 Status
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net> <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <3D0E06F2.5050304@tekNico.net>

> Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
> like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going to
> be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get the
> early afternoon flight?

FWIW, I'll be around until Saturday morning, so if someone's got a nice idea 
for Friday evening, please speak up! :^)


-- 
"Perl is a language for dog people, i.e., people who like big, shaggy,
messy critters that slobber all over the place, chew on everything,
and that require a lot of work to maintain.
Python is a language for cat people, people who like neat, independent,
self-contained critters that don't require a lot of maintenance."
   Eric L. Green

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net





From denis@aragne.com  Mon Jun 17 19:49:23 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:49:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Friday afternoon [Was: EuroPython/Zope 2002 : D-10 Status]
In-Reply-To: <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net> <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net>

Le Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:49:34AM +0100, Michael Hudson pianota:
> Denis Frere <denis@aragne.com> writes:
> 
> > Hi Python fans,
> > 
> > Ten days left before EuroPython 2002 !
> 
> Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
> like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going to
> be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get the
> early afternoon flight?

I think lot's of people will likely stay in Charleroi on the Friday.

We'll have a meal at noon (1:00pm), after that, you'll be thursty.
There will be gatherings : EuroZope, EuroPython, PBF, ... where you'll
speak a lot, and after that, you'll be thursty again.
Perhaps you should take the early afternoon flight ... on Saturday ?
;-)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue Jun 18 07:58:07 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 08:58:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Friday afternoon [Was: EuroPython/Zope 2002 :
 D-10 Status]
In-Reply-To: <20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206180857200.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> We'll have a meal at noon (1:00pm), after that, you'll be thursty.
> There will be gatherings : EuroZope, EuroPython, PBF, ... where you'll

IIRC, PBF is on 26th, not 28th, and there is an ASWAD meeting at 1:OOpm,
so if EuroPython is planned at the same time, I won't be able to attend.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From bh@intevation.de  Tue Jun 18 10:10:34 2002
From: bh@intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog)
Date: 18 Jun 2002 11:10:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tuesday Evening [Was: Friday afternoon]
In-Reply-To: <20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net>
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net>
 <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>
 <20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <6qvg8heyut.fsf_-_@abnoba.intevation.de>

Denis Frère <denis@aragne.com> writes:

> Le Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:49:34AM +0100, Michael Hudson pianota:
> > Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
> > like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going to
> > be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get the
> > early afternoon flight?
> 
> I think lot's of people will likely stay in Charleroi on the Friday.

I also guess a lot of people will arrive on Tuesday evening. Is anything
(informal) planned for the evening before the conference?

   Bernhard

-- 
Intevation GmbH                                 http://intevation.de/
Sketch                                 http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
MapIt!                                           http://www.mapit.de/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 10:40:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:40:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tuesday Evening [Was: Friday afternoon]
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net><2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net><20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net> <6qvg8heyut.fsf_-_@abnoba.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <00a801c216ac$1dff45d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Mmm,

We could look at this... nice suggestion

Tom.

Bernhard Herzog wrote:
> Denis Fr=E8re <denis@aragne.com> writes:
>
>> Le Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:49:34AM +0100, Michael Hudson pianota:
>>> Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
>>> like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going
>>> to be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get
>>> the early afternoon flight?
>>
>> I think lot's of people will likely stay in Charleroi on the Friday.
>
> I also guess a lot of people will arrive on Tuesday evening. Is
> anything (informal) planned for the evening before the conference?
>
>    Bernhard
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From mwh@python.net  Tue Jun 18 10:45:30 2002
From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: 18 Jun 2002 10:45:30 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Friday afternoon [Was: EuroPython/Zope 2002 : D-10 Status]
In-Reply-To: Denis Frère's message of "Mon, 17 Jun 2002 20:49:23 +0200"
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net> <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net> <20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <2melf49ayt.fsf@starship.python.net>

Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?= <denis@aragne.com> writes:

> Le Mon, Jun 17, 2002 at 10:49:34AM +0100, Michael Hudson pianota:
> > Denis Frere <denis@aragne.com> writes:
> > 
> > > Hi Python fans,
> > > 
> > > Ten days left before EuroPython 2002 !
> > 
> > Yay!  I really ought to get around to booking transport soon, so I'd
> > like to ask about what's happening on the Friday... are there going to
> > be people around on Friday afternoon to chat to, or should I get the
> > early afternoon flight?
> 
> I think lot's of people will likely stay in Charleroi on the Friday.
> 
> We'll have a meal at noon (1:00pm), after that, you'll be thursty.
> There will be gatherings : EuroZope, EuroPython, PBF, ... where you'll
> speak a lot, and after that, you'll be thursty again.
> Perhaps you should take the early afternoon flight ... on Saturday ?
> ;-)

But there wasn't an option to stay at the adeps (poor student here)
for the saturday night...

If that can be arranged, sure.

Cheers,
M.

-- 
  NUTRIMAT:  That drink was individually tailored to meet your
             personal requirements for nutrition and pleasure.
    ARTHUR:  Ah.  So I'm a masochist on a diet am I?
                    -- The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Episode 9



From nico@tekNico.net  Tue Jun 18 10:26:24 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 11:26:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tuesday Evening [Was: Friday afternoon]
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net>	<2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net>	<20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net> <6qvg8heyut.fsf_-_@abnoba.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <3D0EFCC0.9080903@tekNico.net>

> I also guess a lot of people will arrive on Tuesday evening. Is anything
> (informal) planned for the evening before the conference?

Me too, again. Looks like I stretched my stay a little a bit. :^)


-- 
"Perl is a language for dog people, i.e., people who like big, shaggy,
messy critters that slobber all over the place, chew on everything,
and that require a lot of work to maintain.
Python is a language for cat people, people who like neat, independent,
self-contained critters that don't require a lot of maintenance."
   Eric L. Green

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net





From denis@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 11:43:24 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 12:43:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Friday afternoon
In-Reply-To: <2melf49ayt.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20020615142043.M23068@carolo.net> <2madpu1bgx.fsf@starship.python.net> <20020617204923.A21908@carolo.net> <2melf49ayt.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20020618124324.S21908@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 10:45:30AM +0100, Michael Hudson pianota:
>=20
> But there wasn't an option to stay at the adeps (poor student here)
> for the saturday night...
>=20
> If that can be arranged, sure.

If you're still looking for a cheap accomodation, you could take
contact with Paul Vann=E8s <pva@barcodex.be>. He has a few rooms
available with basic comfort, very near the center town, and price
should be around 15 EUR/night.

You can put my address in cc so that I can follow the discussions
and step in if needed.

Denis

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Armin Rigo <arigo@ulb.ac.be>  Tue Jun 18 13:48:03 2002
From: Armin Rigo <arigo@ulb.ac.be> (Armin Rigo)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:48:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Broken link
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.1020618144640.735486A-100000@aster1.ulb.ac.be>

Hello everybody,

A broken link on the web site: Christian Tismer's presentation page
("Stackless reincarnate").


Armin




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 13:58:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 14:58:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Broken link
References: <Pine.OSF.3.96.1020618144640.735486A-100000@aster1.ulb.ac.be>
Message-ID: <058b01c216c7$dad48920$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Which browser are you using?
The id contains a space, which might cause you problems.

Joachim, can you change the id's which contain a space to an id without
a space?

Regards,
Tom.

Armin Rigo wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> A broken link on the web site: Christian Tismer's presentation page
> ("Stackless reincarnate").
>
>
> Armin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun 18 14:08:12 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:08:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Looking for a new track champion
Message-ID: <3D0F30BC.3000200@lemburg.com>

Shae told us yesterday in the meeting that he won't be able to
come to the conference. He is co-chair of the Python language
and the applications track.

We need a new co-chair for those tracks, since Martijn Faassen
can't possible handle the load alone. Would any of the other chairmen
have time to give him a hand ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From arigo@ulb.ac.be  Tue Jun 18 14:18:41 2002
From: arigo@ulb.ac.be (Armin Rigo)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:18:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Broken link
In-Reply-To: <058b01c216c7$dad48920$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.96.1020618151757.1091301A-100000@aster2.ulb.ac.be>

Hello Tom,

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
> Which browser are you using?
> The id contains a space, which might cause you problems.

Yes, exactly. Fixing the URL with "%20" worked. I'm using Netscape.


Armin




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Jun 18 14:25:54 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:25:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] URGENT: Track Chairmen: Talk Database
Message-ID: <3D0F34E2.4010400@lemburg.com>

To all track chairmen,

please update the talk database and esp. clean up the time entries.
Some talks still have a 0:00 time scheduled. These won't be printed
in the brochure, so you better assign some rough estimates to the
talks today.

Some other things to clean up:

* make sure that all bios are in the database (duplicate ones
   that are missing; each talks *has* to have a bio attached to it)

* the bios shouldn't be too long -- it looks strange when the
   bio is much longer than the talk description

* please spell check the description and bios

We have decided to use the following room assignments:

           o day1: slot1 = C, slot2 = B, slot3 = A
           o day2: slot1 = A, slot2 = C, slot3 = B
           o day3: slot1 = B, slot2 = A, slot3 = C

A = auditorium
B, C = multi-purpose room

Slots as given in Tom's nice graphics:

    http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

If the room field is not set for your talks, please update
these as well.

Note that this is the last chance to make updates, since the
data will then go directly into the brochure tomorrow
morning.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From paul@zope.com  Tue Jun 18 18:53:50 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 13:53:50 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] URGENT: Track Chairmen: Talk Database
References: <3D0F34E2.4010400@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3D0F73AE.4040608@zope.com>

I just cleaned up the text for the lightning talks, though some of them 
might still have too long descriptions.  I contacted four people for bio 
information.

Someone went through and assigned times -- thanks!  However, there's one 
person that needs to get the first slot.  If you were the one that set 
the times, can you email me and we'll straighten it out?

--Paul

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> To all track chairmen,
> 
> please update the talk database and esp. clean up the time entries.
> Some talks still have a 0:00 time scheduled. These won't be printed
> in the brochure, so you better assign some rough estimates to the
> talks today.
> 
> Some other things to clean up:
> 
> * make sure that all bios are in the database (duplicate ones
>   that are missing; each talks *has* to have a bio attached to it)
> 
> * the bios shouldn't be too long -- it looks strange when the
>   bio is much longer than the talk description
> 
> * please spell check the description and bios
> 
> We have decided to use the following room assignments:
> 
>           o day1: slot1 = C, slot2 = B, slot3 = A
>           o day2: slot1 = A, slot2 = C, slot3 = B
>           o day3: slot1 = B, slot2 = A, slot3 = C
> 
> A = auditorium
> B, C = multi-purpose room
> 
> Slots as given in Tom's nice graphics:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule
> 
> If the room field is not set for your talks, please update
> these as well.
> 
> Note that this is the last chance to make updates, since the
> data will then go directly into the brochure tomorrow
> morning.
> 
> Thanks,






From gotcha@swing.be  Tue Jun 18 20:17:32 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:17:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Countries of registrars
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618211700.00afca80@pop.swing.be>

Hi all,

I took the time to write the following page

http://europython.zope.nl/countries

Please appreciate how international EuroPython will be.


--

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1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 21:15:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 22:15:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Announcements
Message-ID: <02fb01c21704$fb5e6250$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

New Interview. This time it's one with Alex Martelli. Be sure to have
time when you read this one!

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/alex_martelli

Pass it too others.

Other topic:

Because this list often produces a lot of traffic, we made a special
announcement list:

Here only EuroPython announcements will be done, so if you don't like
the high traffic, but still want to be informed on EuroPython:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-announce

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 22:01:24 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:01:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New EuroPython List & New Interview
Message-ID: <03cb01c2170b$4ef03780$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

New Interview. This time it's one with Alex Martelli. Be sure to have
time when you read this one!

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/alex_martelli

Pass it too others.

Other topic:

Because this list often produces a lot of traffic, we made a special
announcement list:

Here only EuroPython announcements will be done, so if you don't like
the high traffic, but still want to be informed on EuroPython:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-announce

Regards,
Tom.






From andy@reportlab.com  Tue Jun 18 23:32:32 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 23:32:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

A draft of the EuroPython brochure is up for review
at
  http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf

Size is 1.6Mb.  There are some minor additions and
changes to come (e.g. more interviews to add). It is 
built from the track info in the Zope database, so
will be only as good as the input data!

We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please 
check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
to get to a stable "version 1.0".

Best Regards,

Andy Robinson
CEO, ReportLab Inc.

p.s. thanks to John, Robin, Marc-Andre and Tom for all
their hard work on this.









From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 23:45:57 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:45:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <04fd01c21719$e9ddbe80$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

Also, pro/con's may be given! Suggestions, minor flamewars, etc...

Tom.

> A draft of the EuroPython brochure is up for review
> at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf
> 
> Size is 1.6Mb.  There are some minor additions and
> changes to come (e.g. more interviews to add). It is
> built from the track info in the Zope database, so
> will be only as good as the input data!
> 
> We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
> this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please
> check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
> so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
> to get to a stable "version 1.0".







From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Jun 18 23:58:57 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 00:58:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <04fd01c21719$e9ddbe80$048d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <051501c2171b$baf35420$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

Also, if we missed someone to give credits, etc, be sure to tell us!
We're only human and can make mistakes.

Thanks,
Tom

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Also, pro/con's may be given! Suggestions, minor flamewars, etc...
> 
> Tom.
> 
>> A draft of the EuroPython brochure is up for review
>> at
>>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf
>> 
>> Size is 1.6Mb.  There are some minor additions and
>> changes to come (e.g. more interviews to add). It is
>> built from the track info in the Zope database, so
>> will be only as good as the input data!
>> 
>> We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
>> this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please
>> check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
>> so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
>> to get to a stable "version 1.0".
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From denis@aragne.com  Wed Jun 19 01:06:12 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 02:06:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Countries of registrars
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618211700.00afca80@pop.swing.be>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618211700.00afca80@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020619020612.C21908@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:17:32PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/countries
> 
> Please appreciate how international EuroPython will be.

Nice, thank you Godefroid.

221 attendees, and it's climbing every day ...

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From paul@zope.com  Wed Jun 19 02:42:43 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 21:42:43 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>

Thanks Andy, good job laying this out, it's really attractive!  Comments 
below:

1) First, for some reason this crashes the mess out of Acrobat 4 on 
Win2k (crash meaning it would hang my GUI until the task manager finally 
got around to killing it).  I upgraded to Acrobat 5 reader and it solved 
the problem.

2) In the table of contents, the first link is "Welcome to EuroPython 
2002 (EPC2002).  The "C" in "EPC" seems to appear from nowhere. :^)

3) In the toc, the track names seem to be abbreviated forms.  For 
instance, "Python Science Industry" seems a bit hard to grok.

4) There are a couple more interviews that have gone up recently.  Don't 
know if it is too late to include them.  The interviews seem to add a 
lot of bulk to the program.

5) I'm not too sure about the second paragraph on page three "ups and 
downs".  But this is their letter, so it should be their words.

6) I'll lobby though for one editorial addition to this page...can we go 
beyond thanking them for attending, into encouraging them to keep 
participating, particularly for the next one?

7) The quote at the top of page 3 is missing a period at the end, after 
"applications".

8) Page 4, should the names be highlighted more (italics, underlines, bold)?

9) In Tom's section, should "As freelancer" be "As a freelancer"?

10) Paragraph 2 under Tom is missing a period after "applications"

11) Next paragraph, "seperate" -> "separate"

12) Next paragraph, "intranet, extranet" -> "intranet and extranet" ??

13) "One of Tom's biggest hobbies...are" -> "One of Tom's biggest 
hobbies...is"

14) Under Denis, I'm pretty sure the word "derivated" was derived from 
another word. :^)

15) "One of the first Python book" -> "books"

16) Under MAL, "...in 1993/4, in 1997" -> "...in 1993/4.  In 1997" ???

17) Boy that timetable laid out nicely!

18) In the timetable, should "Room A" etc. be centered, perhaps?

19) Should we have the times in bold, to make it easier to scan?

20) I like the way the sponsor boxes were done.

21) In Aragne's box on page 7, it looks like the text after "Boulevard" 
got greeked.  Also, Belg has a line through it.

22) I need to remove the BoF scheduled by me in Room B on Friday 
morning.  I supposed to be hosting the lightning talks!

23) Page 19 is kind of empty.

I'll try to look through the main text tomorrow.  Again, the layout is 
gorgeous, good job!

--Paul

Andy Robinson wrote:
> A draft of the EuroPython brochure is up for review
> at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf
> 
> Size is 1.6Mb.  There are some minor additions and
> changes to come (e.g. more interviews to add). It is 
> built from the track info in the Zope database, so
> will be only as good as the input data!
> 
> We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
> this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please 
> check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
> so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
> to get to a stable "version 1.0".
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy Robinson
> CEO, ReportLab Inc.
> 
> p.s. thanks to John, Robin, Marc-Andre and Tom for all
> their hard work on this.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From denis@aragne.com  Wed Jun 19 03:10:38 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 04:10:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020619041038.A19964@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Jun 18, 2002 at 09:42:43PM -0400, Paul Everitt pianota:
> 
> Thanks Andy, good job laying this out, it's really attractive!

Indeed. :-)

> 14) Under Denis, I'm pretty sure the word "derivated" was derived from 
> another word. :^)

It's a perfect Caroloregian-English word meaning something as
"by-products" if I can trust my dictionary. ;-)

Help me to find the right word knowing that Zope is included therein.

> 15) "One of the first Python book" -> "books"

Sharp eye !


General question : what's the best way to correct faults ?


Denis
-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 19 07:49:30 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 08:49:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>
Message-ID: <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com>:

> Thanks Andy, good job laying this out, it's really attractive!  

This is an awesome piece of work, indeed! The SVG stamp is kind 
of great, isn't it (if it is SVG... ;-)?

Just one comment: I can see at least in my speaker description
things like "ReportLab?" (note the questionmark) which stems
from MoinMoin displaying unknown WikiNames. Is there some way
to remove those or would that be possible only with lots of
hand-editing?

Thanks,

Dinu



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 19 09:14:12 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:14:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com>:
> 
> 
>>Thanks Andy, good job laying this out, it's really attractive!  
> 
> 
> This is an awesome piece of work, indeed! The SVG stamp is kind 
> of great, isn't it (if it is SVG... ;-)?

If you mean th background image, that's plain PDF.

> Just one comment: I can see at least in my speaker description
> things like "ReportLab?" (note the questionmark) which stems
> from MoinMoin displaying unknown WikiNames. Is there some way
> to remove those or would that be possible only with lots of
> hand-editing?

Please contact the track champion for that talk to have it
fixed. AFAIK, there is no automatic way of doing this.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 19 09:49:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:49:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <011801c2176e$28a7c440$1e71a8c0@u10136>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Dinu Gherman wrote:
>> Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com>:
>>
>>
>>> Thanks Andy, good job laying this out, it's really attractive!
>>
>>
>> This is an awesome piece of work, indeed! The SVG stamp is kind
>> of great, isn't it (if it is SVG... ;-)?
>
> If you mean th background image, that's plain PDF.
>
>> Just one comment: I can see at least in my speaker description
>> things like "ReportLab?" (note the questionmark) which stems
>> from MoinMoin displaying unknown WikiNames. Is there some way
>> to remove those or would that be possible only with lots of
>> hand-editing?
>
> Please contact the track champion for that talk to have it
> fixed. AFAIK, there is no automatic way of doing this.

There is a code you can use to prevent it appear as wikiname I believe,
don't know exactly which one. Is possible to look it up

> Thanks,
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 19 09:58:59 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:58:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206191041540.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 18 Jun 2002, Andy Robinson wrote:

> A draft of the EuroPython brochure is up for review
> at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf

Nice!

> We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
> this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please 
> check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
> so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
> to get to a stable "version 1.0".

Here comes feedback.

Page 4: Track Chairmen. Konrad Hinsen eventually didn't chair the Science
Track. Its was only Marc Poinot and myself.

Page 5: Alexandre Fayolle's, Alex Martelli's and Jacob Hallen's talks are
tutorials, but that's not explicit when reading the schedule. Is this a
bug or a feature.

Page 9: AM Descombes Lightning Talk has to happen before 9:30 for he is to
leave before 10. I changed that in the Talks db yesterday, but you
probably fetched the information before I did.

Page 10: the bio for Logilab's LT was at first-person. I fixed it in the
Talks db.

Page 12: same for my Talk about Narval. Fixed in the DB.

Page 24 and following: looks like interviews are cut before the end. Bug
or feature ?

Missing: Logilab's half-page advertisement. I'll fix that by sending it to
you right away.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed Jun 19 10:02:46 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:02:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <011801c2176e$28a7c440$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206191102210.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> There is a code you can use to prevent it appear as wikiname I believe,
> don't know exactly which one. Is possible to look it up

I think it is !ReportLab (note the question mark).

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 19 10:18:39 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:18:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206191102210.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <01e401c21772$4cdedde0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Yes, I believe that's the one.

Tom.

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>> There is a code you can use to prevent it appear as wikiname I
>> believe, don't know exactly which one. Is possible to look it up
>
> I think it is !ReportLab (note the question mark).
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From gotcha@swing.be  Wed Jun 19 10:37:22 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:37:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619113003.00a86e60@pop.swing.be>

>We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
>this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please
>check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
>so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
>to get to a stable "version 1.0".

I just added my missing bio.

I just found out that Tim's three BoFs and Marc-Andre's BoF have almost no 
information entered in the talks database.
Is it a bug or a feature ;-) ?

>Best Regards,
>
>Andy Robinson
>CEO, ReportLab Inc.
>
>p.s. thanks to John, Robin, Marc-Andre and Tom for all
>their hard work on this.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Jun 19 10:38:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:38:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619113003.00a86e60@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <028701c21775$15081960$1e71a8c0@u10136>

It's not the intention to have full BoF's information, since BoFs are
not programmed in nature  :-)

Tom.

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
>> We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
>> this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please
>> check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
>> so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
>> to get to a stable "version 1.0".
>
> I just added my missing bio.
>
> I just found out that Tim's three BoFs and Marc-Andre's BoF have
> almost no information entered in the talks database.
> Is it a bug or a feature ;-) ?
>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Andy Robinson
>> CEO, ReportLab Inc.
>>
>> p.s. thanks to John, Robin, Marc-Andre and Tom for all
>> their hard work on this.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 19 10:41:26 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 11:41:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619113003.00a86e60@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3D1051C6.9030009@lemburg.com>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> 
>> We would be grateful for anyone who can proofread
>> this; especially, could track chairs and speakers please
>> check the accuracy of speakers, bios, time allocations and
>> so on?  We really need feedback TOMORROW (Wednesday)
>> to get to a stable "version 1.0".
> 
> 
> I just added my missing bio.
> 
> I just found out that Tim's three BoFs and Marc-Andre's BoF have almost 
> no information entered in the talks database.
> Is it a bug or a feature ;-) ?

A feature: BoFs are not normal talks ... they are simply ideas
to use as basis for discussion.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From andy@reportlab.com  Wed Jun 19 10:52:40 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 10:52:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <20020619041038.A19964@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHCEHCDIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

OK everyone, that's a ton of great feedback :-)  I must
publicly thank John Precedo, my colleague who did 90%
of this and who isn't on the list (or at the conference).

One general remark about size:  I think the emerging idea
is to have the fullest possible brochure, for people to
print off at home before leaving and read it on the plane.
We can't expect the organisers to print 250 x 50 pages.
It would be really good if most people could print TWO
copies and be ready to drop one in a box at reception
for anyone who forgot - fault tolerant distributed 
printing architecture etc. etc.

If we have text amends to any of the talk details or
the interviews, can we arrange to fix them ON THE WEB SITE
so we just pull the test down?  

>From our viewpoint we'd like to be told "all amends to
talks are in place" or "interview X is now proofread".
I don't know how best to organize this - does anyone
have time to help today (only)?

I think tomorrow we'll aim to just pull down all the latest
source text and talks again, whatever state it's in,
and go with that.

Thanks,

Andy Robinson




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 19 14:18:42 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:18:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <1024492722.3d1084b2668c1@webmail.in-berlin.de>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:

> > This is an awesome piece of work, indeed! The SVG stamp is 
> > kind of great, isn't it (if it is SVG... ;-)?
> 
> If you mean th background image, that's plain PDF.

Ok, quite possible. In fact that would explain the strange font
"Albertus Medium" in the brochure which is sort of close but 
not identical to the artist's original choice (don't know that 
font's name, though). 

If Vincent should not like this (artists can take these things
very serious) I recommend using his SVG version which contains
vectorised text. Andy, if you or John want to use that you can
do so via svglib.py running on the included EPC SVG logo (just
slightly modified) which I mentioned here some days ago:

  http://python.net/~gherman/#svglib

Otherwise come to my presentation to see how to do it! ;-)

If my opinion is worth anything: I'd prefer the original font
which is also present in the "print material" samples on the
website.

Regards,

Dinu



From gotcha@swing.be  Wed Jun 19 14:29:57 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 15:29:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <1024492722.3d1084b2668c1@webmail.in-berlin.de>
References: <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com>
 <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
 <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>
 <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de>
 <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619152947.02346008@pop.swing.be>

At 15:18 19/06/2002, Dinu Gherman wrote:
>If my opinion is worth anything: I'd prefer the original font
>which is also present in the "print material" samples on the
>website.

+1

>Regards,
>
>Dinu

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 19 15:23:31 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:23:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com> <1024492722.3d1084b2668c1@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <3D1093E3.3000503@lemburg.com>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:
> 
> 
>>>This is an awesome piece of work, indeed! The SVG stamp is 
>>>kind of great, isn't it (if it is SVG... ;-)?
>>
>>If you mean th background image, that's plain PDF.
> 
> 
> Ok, quite possible. In fact that would explain the strange font
> "Albertus Medium" in the brochure which is sort of close but 
> not identical to the artist's original choice (don't know that 
> font's name, though). 
> 
> If Vincent should not like this (artists can take these things
> very serious) I recommend using his SVG version which contains
> vectorised text. Andy, if you or John want to use that you can
> do so via svglib.py running on the included EPC SVG logo (just
> slightly modified) which I mentioned here some days ago:
> 
>   http://python.net/~gherman/#svglib
> 
> Otherwise come to my presentation to see how to do it! ;-)
> 
> If my opinion is worth anything: I'd prefer the original font
> which is also present in the "print material" samples on the
> website.

We've been through all this. It's finalized now.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 19 15:32:53 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:32:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <3D1093E3.3000503@lemburg.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com> <1024492722.3d1084b2668c1@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D1093E3.3000503@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <1024497173.3d109615966cd@webmail.in-berlin.de>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:

> We've been through all this. It's finalized now.

Well, well... then I obviously missed something like an email
or a note about it. Nerver mind!

Dinu



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 19 15:42:22 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:42:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com> <1024492722.3d1084b2668c1@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D1093E3.3000503@lemburg.com> <1024497173.3d109615966cd@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <3D10984E.7010901@lemburg.com>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:
> 
> 
>>We've been through all this. It's finalized now.
> 
> 
> Well, well... then I obviously missed something like an email
> or a note about it. Nerver mind!

We have had long discussions about this on the committee list
and I put lot's of work into recreating Vincent's bitmap cover
graphics as vector based ones.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed Jun 19 15:57:37 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 16:57:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <3D10984E.7010901@lemburg.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEMOCIAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com> <1024469370.3d10297a8be61@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D103D54.2090804@lemburg.com> <1024492722.3d1084b2668c1@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D1093E3.3000503@lemburg.com> <1024497173.3d109615966cd@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3D10984E.7010901@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <1024498657.3d109be1a23a2@webmail.in-berlin.de>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>:

> > Well, well... then I obviously missed something like an email
> > or a note about it. Nerver mind!
> 
> We have had long discussions about this on the committee list
> and I put lot's of work into recreating Vincent's bitmap cover
> graphics as vector based ones.

I see. Then it might be interesting for you to know that 
you can convert Vincent's SVG in about one second to PDF
(with the right vectorised font) for reuse in the Brochure
with PageCatcher, a commercial ReportLab product that most
likely was used for this operation. In fact, my svglib 
distribution contains Vicent's logo as an SVG sample, as 
well as a PDF version derived from it - which reduces the
time to produce it to 0 seconds (you might only have to
resize it). So I'll not retype the URL again, now, because
this is an error-prone process...

All this is fine with me, but now there is an inconsisten-
cy between the brochure logo and the website one! And -
worse, much time seems having been spent on this with sub-
optimal results, while the right thing was just one click
away... 

Sure I could have noticed earlier, but then I'm hosting 
some visitors the whole week and have to offer some sight-
seeing and socializing programme, too.

Anyway, it's going to be a great event! ;-)

Dinu



From johnp@reportlab.com  Wed Jun 19 20:58:54 2002
From: johnp@reportlab.com (John Precedo)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 20:58:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
Message-ID: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com>

I've put up a copy of the finished brochure at:
http://www.reportlab.comdemos/brochure.pdf

(The size has now gone up to 2 Mb)

I've added the remaining interviews, and made as many of the changes that
people requested as I could.

As for any new changes: unless it's both urgent and important (ie a serious
screwup), I think we are just about done with this static version of the
brochure. If there are any tiny and trivial changes to be made, I may be
able to fit them in tomorrow if we have time, but I can't make any promises.
It's probably best if you think of it as finished.

We'll be working tomorrow to set up a dynamic version of the brochure. More
details as it happens.

--
John Precedo  (johnp@reportlab.com)    Developer
Reportlab Europe Ltd  (http://www.reportlab.com)




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 19 21:09:15 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:09:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D10E4EB.9090107@lemburg.com>

John Precedo wrote:
> I've put up a copy of the finished brochure at:
> http://www.reportlab.comdemos/brochure.pdf
> 
> (The size has now gone up to 2 Mb)
> 
> I've added the remaining interviews, and made as many of the changes that
> people requested as I could.
> 
> As for any new changes: unless it's both urgent and important (ie a serious
> screwup), I think we are just about done with this static version of the
> brochure. If there are any tiny and trivial changes to be made, I may be
> able to fit them in tomorrow if we have time, but I can't make any promises.
> It's probably best if you think of it as finished.
> 
> We'll be working tomorrow to set up a dynamic version of the brochure. More
> details as it happens.

I have just received a complete set of language and spelling
corrections for the *complete* talk database from Tim Couper.

I would like to get these into brochure -- I suppose it doesn't
have to go into the static one though since you are pulling the
data from the Zope DB anyway (right?).

Anyway, if the other track champions don't mind, I would like
to add Tim's changes to the database ASAP. I do need some help
with this though, since there are a *lot* of cut and pastes
necessary.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Jun 19 21:41:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:41:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHCEHCDIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D10EC8F.2030107@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> OK everyone, that's a ton of great feedback :-)  I must
> publicly thank John Precedo, my colleague who did 90%
> of this and who isn't on the list (or at the conference).
> 
> One general remark about size:  I think the emerging idea
> is to have the fullest possible brochure, for people to
> print off at home before leaving and read it on the plane.
> We can't expect the organisers to print 250 x 50 pages.
> It would be really good if most people could print TWO
> copies and be ready to drop one in a box at reception
> for anyone who forgot - fault tolerant distributed 
> printing architecture etc. etc.
> 
> If we have text amends to any of the talk details or
> the interviews, can we arrange to fix them ON THE WEB SITE
> so we just pull the test down?  
> 
>>From our viewpoint we'd like to be told "all amends to
> talks are in place" or "interview X is now proofread".
> I don't know how best to organize this - does anyone
> have time to help today (only)?

I just received a big round of edits for the talks from Tim
Couper and would like to add them tomorrow (Thursday) to the
talk database.

Sorry about the delays, but we are just *very* busy these
days.

> I think tomorrow we'll aim to just pull down all the latest
> source text and talks again, whatever state it's in,
> and go with that.

I think I already posted corrections for what Paul proposed.
Apart from these, I think we're pretty much set.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From andy@reportlab.com  Wed Jun 19 22:17:35 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:17:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <3D10E4EB.9090107@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAGENJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> I would like to get these into brochure -- I suppose it doesn't
> have to go into the static one though since you are pulling the
> data from the Zope DB anyway (right?).

It looks like we can still import the talks data again
at any time.  Shout when your edits are done.  We have
some other surprises to work on tomorrow :-)

Thanks,

Andy







From gotcha@swing.be  Wed Jun 19 22:18:22 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:18:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619231600.00a895e0@pop.swing.be>

At 21:58 19/06/2002, John Precedo wrote:
>I've put up a copy of the finished brochure at:
>http://www.reportlab.comdemos/brochure.pdf
>
>(The size has now gone up to 2 Mb)


should be

http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf

isn't it ?


--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From andy@reportlab.com  Wed Jun 19 22:25:18 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 22:25:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020619231600.00a895e0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAMENKCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> 
> At 21:58 19/06/2002, John Precedo wrote:
> >I've put up a copy of the finished brochure at:
> >http://www.reportlab.comdemos/brochure.pdf
> >
> >(The size has now gone up to 2 Mb)
> 
> 
> should be
> 
> http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf
> 
> isn't it ?
Yes.





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed Jun 19 22:40:22 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:40:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <3D10E4EB.9090107@lemburg.com>
References: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com> <3D10E4EB.9090107@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020619214022.GA19191@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> John Precedo wrote:
[snip]
> >As for any new changes: unless it's both urgent and important (ie a serious
> >screwup), I think we are just about done with this static version of the
> >brochure. If there are any tiny and trivial changes to be made, I may be
> >able to fit them in tomorrow if we have time, but I can't make any 
> >promises.
> >It's probably best if you think of it as finished.

Oh, ick, I only got time to review this today, and in particular in the evening.
Andy said you needed feedback today, and it is still today. :)

What is a dynamic version? What do we do with the status versus the
dynamic version?

I guess you missed Infrae's half-page ad (sorry we were late; we can
also do a PDF if EPS isn't right, it's just ghostview didn't like the
PDF we'd generated so I sent the EPS to be sure), and Logilab's as well?

> Anyway, if the other track champions don't mind, I would like
> to add Tim's changes to the database ASAP. I do need some help
> with this though, since there are a *lot* of cut and pastes
> necessary.

Sure, send me a mail with the Python tracks stuff and I'll go through it.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed Jun 19 22:55:52 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:55:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] brochure feedback
Message-ID: <20020619215552.GA19166@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Some feedback, sorry if there are duplicates:

  * this one is amusing; Stephan Richter's been working for Infrae on some
    reportlab system, and today had some frustrations with ampersands (&)
    inside table of contents, and here I see his interview is in the TOC as:

      Interview with Steve Alexander Stephan Richter

   with a missing & in there. I believe in our case it has something to
   do with multiple passes over the same XML content or something.

 * The empty room B on the program list looks a bit ugly and empty, 
   and we have a full program. :) Also the keynotes are a bit hard
   to notice, being bunched together small at the bottom, though perhaps
   that is better on paper.

 * the tutorials (both Python and Zope) seem to be stuck somewhere in the
   middle of the talk listings; the Zope tutorial is even listed at the
   end of all the talks. These actually happen on day 1 and kick off the
   conference (which people can of course see in the program, but 
   they still may get confused). Strangely enough lightning talks, which
   top off the conference on day 2 along with the Bofs are listed right
   up with the keynotes to start off things. Oh, I see now it's alphabetic,
   which does make some sense. Not a big deal, I guess, 
   though semi-chronological order seems better to me (so then on day 2
   I'd go to the section for day 2 and ignore the one for day 1, which is
   over anyway).

 * I like the interviews a lot, but they do take up almost half of
   the brochure. If the idea is that people are going to print this themselves,
   we should include a more lightweight version of the PDF without 
   all this information. But perhaps this is not the idea..

Thanks,

Martijn




From andy@reportlab.com  Wed Jun 19 23:52:04 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2002 23:52:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <20020619214022.GA19191@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIACENMCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> What is a dynamic version? What do we do with the status versus the
> dynamic version?

Just a little ReportLab demo which may appear in a day or two :-)
Whoops, I leaked.

> 
> I guess you missed Infrae's half-page ad (sorry we were late; we can
> also do a PDF if EPS isn't right, it's just ghostview didn't like the
> PDF we'd generated so I sent the EPS to be sure), and Logilab's as well?

I got them tonight as I was away today, and John did not know
about them.  I hope we can fit them in tomorrow but will not
promise where. But if there are any more ads after that, it's 
too late.

Your EPS was over one metre tall but mostly blank :-)  
I presume the intent is a half page ad like the others...

- Andy





From gotcha@swing.be  Thu Jun 20 00:33:13 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:33:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] brochure feedback
In-Reply-To: <20020619215552.GA19166@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013256.00a87ee8@pop.swing.be>

At 23:55 19/06/2002, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>  * I like the interviews a lot, but they do take up almost half of
>    the brochure. If the idea is that people are going to print this 
> themselves,
>    we should include a more lightweight version of the PDF without
>    all this information. But perhaps this is not the idea..

+1


>Thanks,
>
>Martijn

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From gotcha@swing.be  Thu Jun 20 00:35:51 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 01:35:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013343.00a88030@pop.swing.be>

At 21:58 19/06/2002, you wrote:
>I've put up a copy of the finished brochure at:
>http://www.reportlab.comdemos/brochure.pdf
>
>(The size has now gone up to 2 Mb)
>
>I've added the remaining interviews, and made as many of the changes that
>people requested as I could.
>
>As for any new changes: unless it's both urgent and important (ie a serious
>screwup),


DO NOT KNOW if it is a serious screwup but Aragne half-page is not readable 
on my machine at least


>I think we are just about done with this static version of the
>brochure. If there are any tiny and trivial changes to be made, I may be
>able to fit them in tomorrow if we have time, but I can't make any promises.
>It's probably best if you think of it as finished.
>
>We'll be working tomorrow to set up a dynamic version of the brochure. More
>details as it happens.
>
>--
>John Precedo  (johnp@reportlab.com)    Developer
>Reportlab Europe Ltd  (http://www.reportlab.com)

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Thu Jun 20 08:48:16 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:48:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Countries of registrars
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020618211700.00afca80@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3D1188C0.A74330BC@darwin.in-berlin.de>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> 
> I took the time to write the following page
>   http://europython.zope.nl/countries
> Please appreciate how international EuroPython will be.

Nice! Would it be possible to handout a printed list of
participants names, affiliations and email addresses
(printed just to please people concerned about privacy)?

Alternatively, one could create a PDF from a bitmap ver-
sion of such a text list which is not searchable anymore
in displaying software...

Dinu



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun 20 09:42:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 10:42:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] brochure feedback
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013256.00a87ee8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <006f01c21836$b85f7740$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> At 23:55 19/06/2002, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>>  * I like the interviews a lot, but they do take up almost half of
>>    the brochure. If the idea is that people are going to print this
>> themselves,
>>    we should include a more lightweight version of the PDF without
>>    all this information. But perhaps this is not the idea..
>
> +1
>

This is all discussed before.... Normally ReportLab will make it
possible that people can select which parts of the brochure they want to
download. ie the brochure will be created on demand...

Tom.





From andy@reportlab.com  Thu Jun 20 09:51:10 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 09:51:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] brochure feedback
In-Reply-To: <006f01c21836$b85f7740$048d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAOENPCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> 
> This is all discussed before.... Normally ReportLab will make it
> possible that people can select which parts of the brochure they want to
> download. ie the brochure will be created on demand...
> 

That's the idea.  The late arrival of some content has put this
back a day or two which is why we are desperate to stop changing
content.  You should be able to de-select "talk details" and "interviews"
by track, the minimum being the essential front and back matter and
the timetable and paid advertisements.  

We discussed the "insert a fake talk with my name to make my boss
happy" idea, but shelved it!

- Andy



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun 20 10:12:58 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:12:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Changes in Talks
Message-ID: <018a01c2183c$582f6280$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

Marc-Andre,

Can you send the the changes from Tim for the Zope track?
I can change these.

Thanks a lot Tim!


Tom.





From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 20 10:41:23 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:41:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAGENJCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D11A343.4080603@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
>>I would like to get these into brochure -- I suppose it doesn't
>>have to go into the static one though since you are pulling the
>>data from the Zope DB anyway (right?).
> 
> 
> It looks like we can still import the talks data again
> at any time.  Shout when your edits are done.  We have
> some other surprises to work on tomorrow :-)

Will do :-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 10:42:55 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:42:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] timeschedule on web site
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201141090.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hello,

I think that if Tom finds enough time to do it, it would be nice to change
the current timeschedule so that rooms A,B,C are first, second and third
lines of each table. For the first day, the Zope tutorial would move to
the first line for example...

Don't you think it would make it easier for people to read the schedule ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 10:45:38 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:45:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <3D10E4EB.9090107@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201144370.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Anyway, if the other track champions don't mind, I would like to add
> Tim's changes to the database ASAP. I do need some help with this
> though, since there are a *lot* of cut and pastes necessary.

I'm sure Tim's english skills can't compare to mind (or is it the other
way around) and will be glad to help integrate his changes into the
descriptions of the science track.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 20 10:46:34 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:46:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com> <3D10E4EB.9090107@lemburg.com> <20020619214022.GA19191@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3D11A47A.8020706@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>John Precedo wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
>>>As for any new changes: unless it's both urgent and important (ie a serious
>>>screwup), I think we are just about done with this static version of the
>>>brochure. If there are any tiny and trivial changes to be made, I may be
>>>able to fit them in tomorrow if we have time, but I can't make any 
>>>promises.
>>>It's probably best if you think of it as finished.
>>
> 
> Oh, ick, I only got time to review this today, and in particular in the evening.
> Andy said you needed feedback today, and it is still today. :)
> 
> What is a dynamic version? What do we do with the status versus the
> dynamic version?
> 
> I guess you missed Infrae's half-page ad (sorry we were late; we can
> also do a PDF if EPS isn't right, it's just ghostview didn't like the
> PDF we'd generated so I sent the EPS to be sure), and Logilab's as well?

Hmm, I didn't see any ad from Logilab or Infrae. Please note
that this is *very* late, so make sure you send them in
to europython@p3b.org within the next few hours as DIN A4 PDF files
with half page of advertisment.

I'm not sure whether ReportLab still has the time to fiddle much
with the layout, so can't promise anything. John is already
on vacation !

>>Anyway, if the other track champions don't mind, I would like
>>to add Tim's changes to the database ASAP. I do need some help
>>with this though, since there are a *lot* of cut and pastes
>>necessary.
> 
> 
> Sure, send me a mail with the Python tracks stuff and I'll go through it.

Will do.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 10:57:31 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:57:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <3D11A47A.8020706@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201156010.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Hmm, I didn't see any ad from Logilab or Infrae. Please note
> that this is *very* late, so make sure you send them in
> to europython@p3b.org within the next few hours as DIN A4 PDF files
> with half page of advertisment.

I sent Logilab's ad to Andy yesterday after realizing that I had forgotten
to send it and that it wasn't in the brochure. He and John are already
taking care of it.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun 20 11:05:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:05:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] timeschedule on web site
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201141090.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <021401c21842$382e9400$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

Yup, you are right! This is planned on my nightschedule :-)

Regards,
Tom.

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I think that if Tom finds enough time to do it, it would be nice to
> change the current timeschedule so that rooms A,B,C are first, second
> and third lines of each table. For the first day, the Zope tutorial
> would move to the first line for example...
>
> Don't you think it would make it easier for people to read the
> schedule ?
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 11:02:09 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:02:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] brochure feedback
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020620013256.00a87ee8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201202011.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Thu, 20 Jun 2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote:

> At 23:55 19/06/2002, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> >  * I like the interviews a lot, but they do take up almost half of
> >    the brochure. If the idea is that people are going to print this 
> > themselves,
> >    we should include a more lightweight version of the PDF without
> >    all this information. But perhaps this is not the idea..
> 
> +1

+1

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 20 11:02:25 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:02:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201156010.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D11A831.1010504@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>Hmm, I didn't see any ad from Logilab or Infrae. Please note
>>that this is *very* late, so make sure you send them in
>>to europython@p3b.org within the next few hours as DIN A4 PDF files
>>with half page of advertisment.
> 
> 
> I sent Logilab's ad to Andy yesterday after realizing that I had forgotten
> to send it and that it wasn't in the brochure. He and John are already
> taking care of it.

Good.

-- 
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CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From andy@reportlab.com  Thu Jun 20 11:08:05 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:08:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <3D11A47A.8020706@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEOECIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

I have them both already, receieved yesterday.  
We will do what we can. 

I don't mind re-importing track data once more
but it is way too late to fiddle with layout.

Thanks,

Andy



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 11:05:36 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:05:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] brochure feedback
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAOENPCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201205030.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > 
> > This is all discussed before.... Normally ReportLab will make it
> > possible that people can select which parts of the brochure they want to
> > download. ie the brochure will be created on demand...
> > 
> 
> That's the idea.  The late arrival of some content has put this
> back a day or two which is why we are desperate to stop changing
> content.  You should be able to de-select "talk details" and "interviews"
> by track, the minimum being the essential front and back matter and
> the timetable and paid advertisements.  

Nice !
 
-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 11:09:51 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:09:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201144370.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201209290.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > Anyway, if the other track champions don't mind, I would like to add
> > Tim's changes to the database ASAP. I do need some help with this
> > though, since there are a *lot* of cut and pastes necessary.
> 
> I'm sure Tim's english skills can't compare to mind (or is it the other
> way around) and will be glad to help integrate his changes into the
> descriptions of the science track.

s/mind/mine/g of course.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun 20 11:27:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:27:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <029f01c21845$5f944dc0$048d84d5@skullsplitter>

One small problem on the new image I've send to John concerning the
floorplan.
We lost the room letters (A,B,C). Is it possible by reportlab to print
these on top of them?

Thanks,
Tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 20 11:33:25 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:33:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <GBEDIFFLINCAGNCJCLIFIECJDDAA.johnp@reportlab.com> <029f01c21845$5f944dc0$048d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3D11AF75.2010406@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> One small problem on the new image I've send to John concerning the
> floorplan.
> We lost the room letters (A,B,C). Is it possible by reportlab to print
> these on top of them?

If you can send the plan to me as PDF, I can add them. You just
have to tell me where to place the B and C.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 20 11:34:40 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 12:34:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEOECIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D11AFC0.4020501@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> I have them both already, receieved yesterday.  
> We will do what we can. 
> 
> I don't mind re-importing track data once more
> but it is way too late to fiddle with layout.

Thanks Andy !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From andy@reportlab.com  Thu Jun 20 11:35:14 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:35:14 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <3D0FE193.1040906@zope.com>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHGEHCDIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> 1) First, for some reason this crashes the mess out of Acrobat 4 on 
> Win2k (crash meaning it would hang my GUI until the task 
> manager finally 
> got around to killing it).  I upgraded to Acrobat 5 reader 
> and it solved 
> the problem.

We all develop against Acrobat Reader 4 on Win2k and it works
for us; it's been years since we had an Acrobat Reader error.  
I think it's more to do with how browsers download
things.  Try saving that URL as a file on your local hard disk
and test again.    If you get an error from that, I'll worry.

Today we will put up a web page with a link to the PDF
and see if there are still any problems.

Thanks for all the rest of the feedback which is superb!
We'll start cranking through it.  

Best Regards,

Andy Robinson



From andy@reportlab.com  Thu Jun 20 11:35:59 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 11:35:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference brochure draft for review
In-Reply-To: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHGEHCDIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHKEHCDIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> Best Regards,
> 
> Andy Robinson
Whoops, that was in a mail queue since yesterday.
Ignore it.

- Andy



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu Jun 20 14:45:13 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 15:45:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Finished brochure
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIACENMCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
References: <20020619214022.GA19191@vet.uu.nl> <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIACENMCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <20020620134513.GA21204@vet.uu.nl>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> Your EPS was over one metre tall but mostly blank :-)  
> I presume the intent is a half page ad like the others...

Ick, I think this is due to old Illustrator on the mac. I can try sending
you a .ps and a .pdf, and I will do so now, but they're generated by the
same program, so...

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu Jun 20 15:26:26 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:26:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] speaker's FAQ
Message-ID: <20020620142626.GA21506@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

The speakers FAQ on the site gives the impression that
they have to send their track champion the slides (in PDF), so that that
person will have it on their laptop at the conference.

"""
What will be used to present talks (PC, projector, flip-over...) ?

Your Track Champion should have a laptop connected to a beamer. If you send 
your presentation in advance, your Track Champion should have it waiting for
you on his laptop
"""

Apparently this is happening for some tracks, but this wasn't my intended
procedure for the Python tracks, and apparently it is at least not anymore
the procedure for the Zope track as Tom's laptop broke down. :)

I will of course have a laptop there in case this is necessary, but 
I'd prefer people bring their own laptops set up correctly (but that should
not be any problem these days; just hook it up to the beamer and go, at
least this is how it happened at previous such events I've been to!)

Of course after the conference I'll collect the slides from the speakers
so we can offer them for download on the website.

I sent my speakers a mail explaining this to them, but perhaps the FAQ can
be adjusted?

Regards,

Martijn




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu Jun 20 15:35:34 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 16:35:34 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] speaker's FAQ
In-Reply-To: <20020620142626.GA21506@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201634590.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> """
> What will be used to present talks (PC, projector, flip-over...) ?
> 
> Your Track Champion should have a laptop connected to a beamer. If you send 
> your presentation in advance, your Track Champion should have it waiting for
> you on his laptop
> """

That was the plan.

> I sent my speakers a mail explaining this to them, but perhaps the FAQ can
> be adjusted?

I just did that. Is it better now ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Jun 20 17:05:42 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 18:05:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Anyone driving to Charleroi via Duesseldorf this weekend ?
Message-ID: <3D11FD56.409@lemburg.com>

Just curious, because then I would have ~10kg paper bags for
him to take there ;-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu Jun 20 19:16:41 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 20:16:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] speaker's FAQ
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201634590.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <20020620142626.GA21506@vet.uu.nl> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201634590.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020620181641.GA22667@vet.uu.nl>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > """
> > What will be used to present talks (PC, projector, flip-over...) ?
> > 
> > Your Track Champion should have a laptop connected to a beamer. If you send 
> > your presentation in advance, your Track Champion should have it waiting for
> > you on his laptop
> > """
> 
> That was the plan.

Okay, I remember seeing some talk of it but never got this confirmed; I mean
I thought MAL actually unconfirmed it in an irc chat to me.

> > I sent my speakers a mail explaining this to them, but perhaps the FAQ can
> > be adjusted?
> 
> I just did that. Is it better now ?

Yes, that's better. Since my mail I found out my laptop will be filled with
several talks, so I'm glad this happened today. :)

Thanks,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Jun 20 20:50:31 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2002 21:50:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] timeschedule on web site
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206201141090.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <016301c21893$d42ec810$918c84d5@skullsplitter>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I think that if Tom finds enough time to do it, it would be nice to
> change the current timeschedule so that rooms A,B,C are first, second
> and third lines of each table. For the first day, the Zope tutorial
> would move to the first line for example...
> 
> Don't you think it would make it easier for people to read the
> schedule ? 

Done.

Tom





From andy@reportlab.com  Fri Jun 21 08:06:46 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 08:06:46 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
  http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
  http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)

These are based on the talks database just now, but I don't
know whether editors have finished.  Layout should be considered
final.  The Aragne add has been corrected.  Robin Becker is 
still working on a dynamic version (filter out tracks and 
interviews yourself) but we'll keep the above two variants
up to date and there.


For the really curious the brochure size almost all due
to the bitmap rather than vector elements.  
  just 100kb for all talks and associated content
  500k front cover (the nice bitmap ads down the bottom)
  500k Mr. Heracles' face in his advert
  300k floorplan
  250k Orbiteam ad
  ...and so on.
However, we are not going to uglify anybody's adverts
to reduce the size, as presumably everyone wants a nice
printed document.

Best Regards,

Andy Robinson



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 21 08:41:27 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:41:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D12D8A7.4050802@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)
> 
> These are based on the talks database just now, but I don't
> know whether editors have finished.  Layout should be considered
> final.  The Aragne add has been corrected.  Robin Becker is 
> still working on a dynamic version (filter out tracks and 
> interviews yourself) but we'll keep the above two variants
> up to date and there.

Thanks.

> For the really curious the brochure size almost all due
> to the bitmap rather than vector elements.  
>   just 100kb for all talks and associated content
>   500k front cover (the nice bitmap ads down the bottom)
>   500k Mr. Heracles' face in his advert
>   300k floorplan
>   250k Orbiteam ad
>   ...and so on.
> However, we are not going to uglify anybody's adverts
> to reduce the size, as presumably everyone wants a nice
> printed document.

That's good :-)

Note that these bitmap sizes are small compared to what
you'd normally create for printing. Not everything can be
converted to vector graphics.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 21 08:52:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 09:52:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D12DB43.4020602@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)
> 
> These are based on the talks database just now, but I don't
> know whether editors have finished.  Layout should be considered
> final.  The Aragne add has been corrected.  Robin Becker is 
> still working on a dynamic version (filter out tracks and 
> interviews yourself) but we'll keep the above two variants
> up to date and there.

Not sure whether this is just with AcroRead on Linu, but the
ads have a red frame around them. Is this the white frame
you added to avoid the background image shining through ?

Probably too late to fix: we discussed several times that
the time table entries should be formatted indented like
so:

time
    title
    author

Alternatively, just print the time in bold. If none of this
is possible, just leave it as is :-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From gotcha@swing.be  Fri Jun 21 09:07:04 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:07:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <3D12DB43.4020602@lemburg.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621100534.02343dd0@pop.swing.be>

At 09:52 21/06/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>Not sure whether this is just with AcroRead on Linu, but the
>ads have a red frame around them. Is this the white frame
>you added to avoid the background image shining through ?

Same in AcroRead on Windows. As the ad is not centered in the red frame, it 
is a pity after a such big and good work...
--

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From gotcha@swing.be  Fri Jun 21 09:21:32 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:21:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>

At 09:06 21/06/2002, Andy Robinson wrote:
>Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Andy Robinson

I just tried to print the "Talks and speakers, Details" on a black and 
white laser printer (AcroRead 5.0 on Win 2k).

The background "EUROP THON Conference 2002" get printed as foreground.

So that some text (for instance Guido and Itamar bios on page 10) is not 
readable.

Can others check that the problem is linked with my configuration and not 
with the file itself ?
--

Godefroid Chapelle

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rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
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From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri Jun 21 09:41:08 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:41:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <1024648868.3d12e6a4c4bfc@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Godefroid Chapelle <gotcha@swing.be>:

> I just tried to print the "Talks and speakers, Details" on 
> a black and white laser printer (AcroRead 5.0 on Win 2k).
> 
> The background "EUROP THON Conference 2002" get printed as 
> foreground.
> 
> So that some text (for instance Guido and Itamar bios on 
> page 10) is not readable.
> 
> Can others check that the problem is linked with my confi-
> guration and not with the file itself ?

I can't confirm this. I'm printing just as expected on
OS X and an HP LJ2100 from AR 5.0. the various shading
effects on the front page and particularly in the table
cells are almost unnoticeable, but there is nothing un-
expected (well, the red boxes might be).

Dinu



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 21 09:55:53 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 10:55:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython 2002] Re: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3D12EA19.2070308@lemburg.com>


Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> At 09:06 21/06/2002, Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
>> Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
>>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
>>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Andy Robinson
> 
> 
> I just tried to print the "Talks and speakers, Details" on a black and 
> white laser printer (AcroRead 5.0 on Win 2k).
> 
> The background "EUROP THON Conference 2002" get printed as foreground.
> 
> So that some text (for instance Guido and Itamar bios on page 10) is not 
> readable.
> 
> Can others check that the problem is linked with my configuration and 
> not with the file itself ?

I think this is a configuration problem on your side: the background
image uses gray-scales and if your printer driver translates this
into black and white, you have the problem you reported.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From gotcha@swing.be  Fri Jun 21 10:09:15 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 11:09:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <1024648868.3d12e6a4c4bfc@webmail.in-berlin.de>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621110807.00acfc48@pop.swing.be>

At 10:41 21/06/2002, Dinu Gherman wrote:
>I can't confirm this. I'm printing just as expected on
>OS X and an HP LJ2100 from AR 5.0. the various shading
>effects on the front page and particularly in the table
>cells are almost unnoticeable, but there is nothing un-
>expected (well, the red boxes might be).
>
>Dinu

>I think this is a configuration problem on your side: the background
>image uses gray-scales and if your printer driver translates this
>into black and white, you have the problem you reported.
>
>--
>Marc-Andre Lemburg

I prefer it that way :-)...
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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Jun 21 11:56:32 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:56:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211232140.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Andy Robinson wrote:

>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)

I just discovered the "EuroPython Organization Team" on Page 4, which is
*very* different from what it was yesterday and want this list to know
that I'm not happy about it.

Reading this page it appears that the conference was organized by three
people only, with some other people helping from time to time.

I think this is just being unfair to loads of people that participated.
Paul Everitt's name is barely cited whereas he helped from the beginning,
Stefane Fermigier disappeared completely whereas he contacted many people
and sent press releases, Martijn got only cited as "initial idea" whereas
he spent a lot of time working on this, ec. I don't even recall the names
of all the people that contributed.

Yes, the three people from the "Executive Committee" did a lot of work,
probably more than the other people did and without them, the conference
would not have happened.

BUT, without the other people, nothing would have happened either, hence I
see no reason for having such a huge difference in the credits page. And I
don't see any reason to have one's bio in the credits page anyway.

I can't speak for the others, but I know that *I* spent around 40 full
days since february working on europython (tracks, website, organizing
wiki, doing press release, participating to irc sessions, etc.). When the
executive committee was formed, I thought "good, some decisions about
budget and how to arrange rooms, etc, were taking to long, this will ease
things and more people discussing this issues wouldn't make it better
anyway".

If the purpose of that "committee" was to get one's name as "The
conference organizer", that's just sad. I want to believe that I am
mistaken and that will be quickly solved by reverting to some humbler
credits page, if I am not, I'll have learned more about the people I
worked with for the past four months.

Python and the Python businesses are so small that I always thought that
it was obvious from the very beginning that the whole purpose of the
conference was to make the pie bigger for everyone to get a bigger slice
(or as Paul says "10x is the goal"), not to let some of us increase their
own visibility helped by the work of the others.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)






From paul@zope.com  Fri Jun 21 11:56:18 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 06:56:18 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621101708.00aacc68@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3D130652.70804@zope.com>

This happened to me as well (Acrobat 5 on Win2k) with yesterday's version.

--Paul

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> At 09:06 21/06/2002, Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
>> Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
>>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
>>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Andy Robinson
> 
> 
> I just tried to print the "Talks and speakers, Details" on a black and 
> white laser printer (AcroRead 5.0 on Win 2k).
> 
> The background "EUROP THON Conference 2002" get printed as foreground.
> 
> So that some text (for instance Guido and Itamar bios on page 10) is not 
> readable.
> 
> Can others check that the problem is linked with my configuration and 
> not with the file itself ?
> -- 
> 
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 12:00:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 13:00:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEONCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <067d01c21912$dded3010$1e71a8c0@u10136>

I've a problem printing it on HP LaserJet 5M. It fails on printing page
6. Ie it locks up, it keeps telling 'processing'. (never thought that
was even possible :-))

Tom.

Andy Robinson wrote:
> Two revised versions of the brochure are now up at
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf  (46pp, 1.9Mb)
>   http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp,
> 1.6Mb)
>
> These are based on the talks database just now, but I don't
> know whether editors have finished.  Layout should be considered
> final.  The Aragne add has been corrected.  Robin Becker is
> still working on a dynamic version (filter out tracks and
> interviews yourself) but we'll keep the above two variants
> up to date and there.
>
>
> For the really curious the brochure size almost all due
> to the bitmap rather than vector elements.
>   just 100kb for all talks and associated content
>   500k front cover (the nice bitmap ads down the bottom)
>   500k Mr. Heracles' face in his advert
>   300k floorplan
>   250k Orbiteam ad
>   ...and so on.
> However, we are not going to uglify anybody's adverts
> to reduce the size, as presumably everyone wants a nice
> printed document.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Andy Robinson
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From andy@reportlab.com  Fri Jun 21 12:46:25 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:46:25 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <067d01c21912$dded3010$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEPDCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>

I only have 2 minutes now and will be uncontactable 
until tonight by email.  Let's call the brochure as 'beta' 
for now.  If anyone needs stuff doing urgently, phone
me on +44-7976-355742 today.

We will try to figure out if what happened to page 3 was
an accident and address it (very late) tonight; all of us
are tied up with stuff on customer sites today.  Yesterday
John Precedo was working through feedback from a whole
host fo people, he's on holiday and I don't have his email
trail so I cannot tell you if this was following instructions
or if it was a cockup.  There is a separate Credits page at 
the back; did stuff get moved there?

Printing problems can occur because we are embedding
a host of ads from a host of applications and we have
no control over the Postscript in them.  If Acrobat Reader
complains about the file then I'd treat it as a bug,
but otherwise, there's little we can do. I will retest
on a Postscript laser at a customer site this afternoon.
It is a common problem that various Open Source tools
for handling PDF are not 100% compliant.

The dynamic URL you can try is at:
  http://server.reportlab.com/cgi-bin/epc_brochure.py
This is the page to bookmark, as it will have links to 
latest static ones.

Got to go,

Andy Robinson



From paul@zope.com  Fri Jun 21 12:49:05 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 07:49:05 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEPDCIAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3D1312B1.10704@zope.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> I only have 2 minutes now and will be uncontactable 
> until tonight by email.  Let's call the brochure as 'beta' 
> for now.  If anyone needs stuff doing urgently, phone
> me on +44-7976-355742 today.

That sounds perfectly reasonable.

--Paul




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 21 13:18:47 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:18:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211232140.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D1319A7.9000102@lemburg.com>


Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
> 
>>  http://www.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf  (14pp, 1.6Mb)
> 
> 
> I just discovered the "EuroPython Organization Team" on Page 4, which is
> *very* different from what it was yesterday and want this list to know
> that I'm not happy about it.
> 
> Reading this page it appears that the conference was organized by three
> people only, with some other people helping from time to time.
> 
> I think this is just being unfair to loads of people that participated.
> Paul Everitt's name is barely cited whereas he helped from the beginning,
> Stefane Fermigier disappeared completely whereas he contacted many people
> and sent press releases, Martijn got only cited as "initial idea" whereas
> he spent a lot of time working on this, ec. I don't even recall the names
> of all the people that contributed.

Uhm, I don't understand: we contacted you and Martijn about the
text to put on that page. Both of you gave the OK. The only change
on the page since Monday was to add you two to the page and to
indent the bios.

We also asked for a more complete list of people to give credits to.
The list you see in the brochure is what we've compiled during the
last week.

> Yes, the three people from the "Executive Committee" did a lot of work,
> probably more than the other people did and without them, the conference
> would not have happened.
> 
> BUT, without the other people, nothing would have happened either, hence I
> see no reason for having such a huge difference in the credits page. And I
> don't see any reason to have one's bio in the credits page anyway.

The bios are *not* there to show off or give an expression of
"these guys are EuroPython".

The reason for putting them there is
that we want to attract sponsors and investors for the upcoming
events and for this you need to create confidence for them to
invest in the organization. The intent is to put persons
behind names, so that potential sponsors and investors know
that they are investing into a professional and working
organization.

> I can't speak for the others, but I know that *I* spent around 40 full
> days since february working on europython (tracks, website, organizing
> wiki, doing press release, participating to irc sessions, etc.). When the
> executive committee was formed, I thought "good, some decisions about
> budget and how to arrange rooms, etc, were taking to long, this will ease
> things and more people discussing this issues wouldn't make it better
> anyway".
> 
> If the purpose of that "committee" was to get one's name as "The
> conference organizer", that's just sad. I want to believe that I am
> mistaken and that will be quickly solved by reverting to some humbler
> credits page, if I am not, I'll have learned more about the people I
> worked with for the past four months.

The only purpose of the executive committee was to get this
event happening. I would be very sad if that idea would now
be dragged into the dirt.

> Python and the Python businesses are so small that I always thought that
> it was obvious from the very beginning that the whole purpose of the
> conference was to make the pie bigger for everyone to get a bigger slice
> (or as Paul says "10x is the goal"), not to let some of us increase their
> own visibility helped by the work of the others.

I find that a sad way to view things.

If you want a different text next to your name, then please
send it in. If you have other suggestions, please tell us.

Note that the brochure has been public since Monday. Today
is Friday. There was enough time for criticism and improvement
requests.

We cannot fiddle with the brochure until the very
end: people will have to download and print if *before* the
conference. We are already very late with the brochure
and any changes we make now will only result in further
delay.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Jun 21 13:44:06 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 14:44:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <3D1319A7.9000102@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211420560.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> Uhm, I don't understand: we contacted you and Martijn about the
> text to put on that page. Both of you gave the OK. The only change
> on the page since Monday was to add you two to the page and to
> indent the bios.

I know it's hard, but please don't try to drag me too far into a flamewar.
I'd rather get quickly to an agreement and be done with it.

You sent me an e-mail yesterday saying that Martijn's entry was changed to
what it is now and whether I would mind if mine was changed to what it is
now. I said "sure", you replied "thanks" right away, then I asked you
about the entries of the other people, you said "what other people", I
said "you, tom, denis, paul, etc." and I am still waiting for a
reply... well, I got one with the new brochure of course.

> The reason for putting them there is that we want to attract sponsors
> and investors for the upcoming events and for this you need to create
> confidence for them to invest in the organization. The intent is to
> put persons behind names, so that potential sponsors and investors
> know that they are investing into a professional and working
> organization.

I've heard these arguments many times before in other situations. That's
the usual "I do it for your own good" stuff. You're not bad at this, but
not very inventive :-)

Do you really want to try to make use that argument ?

> The only purpose of the executive committee was to get this event
> happening. I would be very sad if that idea would now be dragged into
> the dirt.

Good. If the only purpose of the committee was for the event to happen and
was internal organization, why would we need to mention it in the
brochure?

> > Python and the Python businesses are so small that I always thought that
> > it was obvious from the very beginning that the whole purpose of the
> > conference was to make the pie bigger for everyone to get a bigger slice
> > (or as Paul says "10x is the goal"), not to let some of us increase their
> > own visibility helped by the work of the others.
> 
> I find that a sad way to view things.
> 
> If you want a different text next to your name, then please
> send it in. If you have other suggestions, please tell us.

I don't care about having my own name there, what I want is a credit page
that gives proper credit were credit is due.

Here are my suggestions: remove the bios and put in all the names of the
people who participated, in alphabetical order, without any details about
what they did. If you want me to, I can compile a list from the archives
of the mailing list, from the IRC logs, etc.

> Note that the brochure has been public since Monday. Today is Friday.
> There was enough time for criticism and improvement requests.

As you already know, I sent comments about the brochure within the hour I
learned about it on tuesday morning. I did not keep a copy of the brochure
that was published on monday, but I'm pretty sure the bios weren't in at
the time.

> We cannot fiddle with the brochure until the very end: people will
> have to download and print if *before* the conference. We are already
> very late with the brochure and any changes we make now will only
> result in further delay.

Right, that's also a well known argument, but I'm fine with it: let's just
remove that credit page and be done with it (simple isn't it ?). Or just
put a link to the website for people to find more information about local
contacts, or just put the europython@python.org e-mail address (and not
the committee's one ;-)

Come on, just let go of that committee stuff and simply share credit with
all the poor people that contributed time and good will as you did !

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gotcha@swing.be  Fri Jun 21 14:37:29 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:37:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211420560.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <3D1319A7.9000102@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020621153516.00a8ab38@pop.swing.be>

At 14:44 21/06/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>I know it's hard, but please don't try to drag me too far into a flamewar.
>I'd rather get quickly to an agreement and be done with it.


Please find a quick agreement, the whole organization has been a pleasure 
to follow...

Do not end it badly.
--

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rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

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Mob + 32 (477) 363942

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From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 21 14:52:53 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 15:52:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211420560.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3D132FB5.80507@lemburg.com>

I'm not interesting in a flame war here and would also welcome
comments from other people.

Some comments for clarification.

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>Uhm, I don't understand: we contacted you and Martijn about the
>>text to put on that page. Both of you gave the OK. The only change
>>on the page since Monday was to add you two to the page and to
>>indent the bios.
> 
> You sent me an e-mail yesterday saying that Martijn's entry was changed to
> what it is now and whether I would mind if mine was changed to what it is
> now. I said "sure", you replied "thanks" right away, then I asked you
> about the entries of the other people, you said "what other people", I
> said "you, tom, denis, paul, etc." and I am still waiting for a
> reply... well, I got one with the new brochure of course.

I replied to you yesterday that you should please consult the
brochure.

>>The reason for putting them there is that we want to attract sponsors
>>and investors for the upcoming events and for this you need to create
>>confidence for them to invest in the organization. The intent is to
>>put persons behind names, so that potential sponsors and investors
>>know that they are investing into a professional and working
>>organization.
> 
> 
> I've heard these arguments many times before in other situations. That's
> the usual "I do it for your own good" stuff. You're not bad at this, but
> not very inventive :-)
> 
> Do you really want to try to make use that argument ?

I'm not going for your interpretation of the argument.

The EuroPython Organization needs more support for the next round.

This event was much too much of a financial risk for P3B. We
only reached a break even about a week ago -- that's 10 days
before the conference !

>>The only purpose of the executive committee was to get this event
>>happening. I would be very sad if that idea would now be dragged into
>>the dirt.
> 
> 
> Good. If the only purpose of the committee was for the event to happen and
> was internal organization, why would we need to mention it in the
> brochure?

Because these guys are the ones sponsors and investors need to
talk to. They do have to know they are talking to the right
persons. This was one of the points we heard
from potential attendees and companies who criticised
and turned down on us.

>>>Python and the Python businesses are so small that I always thought that
>>>it was obvious from the very beginning that the whole purpose of the
>>>conference was to make the pie bigger for everyone to get a bigger slice
>>>(or as Paul says "10x is the goal"), not to let some of us increase their
>>>own visibility helped by the work of the others.
>>
>>I find that a sad way to view things.
>>
>>If you want a different text next to your name, then please
>>send it in. If you have other suggestions, please tell us.
> 
> 
> I don't care about having my own name there, what I want is a credit page
> that gives proper credit were credit is due.
> 
> Here are my suggestions: remove the bios and put in all the names of the
> people who participated, in alphabetical order, without any details about
> what they did. If you want me to, I can compile a list from the archives
> of the mailing list, from the IRC logs, etc.

That was the intent of the credits page one the last page of the
brochure. We know that not all people are propely mentioned
on that page, but didn't get more feedback.

If you could submit a more complete list, we can try
to integrate it there.

We can also make the bios less prominent on the team
page and add more names and bios to the support team
section.

Replacing the complete page with an alphabetic list is not an
option, because this would not reflect the structure of the
EuroPython organization which is modelled very much after
the Python development scheme: BDFL + core team + cast of
thousands.

>>Note that the brochure has been public since Monday. Today is Friday.
>>There was enough time for criticism and improvement requests.
> 
> 
> As you already know, I sent comments about the brochure within the hour I
> learned about it on tuesday morning. I did not keep a copy of the brochure
> that was published on monday, but I'm pretty sure the bios weren't in at
> the time.

Believe me: they were in right from the start.

>>We cannot fiddle with the brochure until the very end: people will
>>have to download and print if *before* the conference. We are already
>>very late with the brochure and any changes we make now will only
>>result in further delay.
> 
> 
> Right, that's also a well known argument, but I'm fine with it: let's just
> remove that credit page and be done with it (simple isn't it ?). Or just
> put a link to the website for people to find more information about local
> contacts, or just put the europython@python.org e-mail address (and not
> the committee's one ;-)
> 
> Come on, just let go of that committee stuff and simply share credit with
> all the poor people that contributed time and good will as you did !

As I said many times before: I don't have a problem with
adding more credit mentions to the brochure (except maybe
for the fact that it further delays publishing it).

Please send us an alphabetical list of name - task combinations
and we'll put it on the credits page.

If more people think they should be mentioned on the team
page, please tell us. We certainly don't want any member of
the team to be misrepresented. You can mail us to europython@p3b.org
but it has to be within the next few hours, since
ReportLab will finalize the brochure tonight.

Gosh, I never knew how hard it would be to keep people happy
and still organize an event of this size (heck, we're probably
almost as large as the IPC !).

Now I have to run off to drive the paper bags and your
badges to Joachim...

Thank you,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Jun 21 15:41:24 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 16:41:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <3D132FB5.80507@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> I'm not interesting in a flame war here and would also welcome
> comments from other people.

Other people please speak up to get this matter cleared out quickly.

> I replied to you yesterday that you should please consult the
> brochure.

That mail got lost then.

> The EuroPython Organization needs more support for the next round.

Sure, more support would be good. But starting the organization of EPC2
right after EPC1 and getting the same support as this time would be enough
for us to get a better one next year. Time was a problem more than good
will and hard work IMHO.
 
> This event was much too much of a financial risk for P3B.

AFAIK, you're not P3B. Denis chose to take that risk, he is the one to
be thanked for it (and Martijn for the initial idea).

> We only reached a break even about a week ago -- that's 10 days before
> the conference !

Starting the organization of a conference 4 month before its date is very
risky and dangerous... but we all made it and that's something we can be
happy with.

Again, we did not take that much of financial risk. P3B did.

> > Good. If the only purpose of the committee was for the event to happen and
> > was internal organization, why would we need to mention it in the
> > brochure?
> 
> Because these guys are the ones sponsors and investors need to
> talk to. They do have to know they are talking to the right
> persons. This was one of the points we heard
> from potential attendees and companies who criticised
> and turned down on us.

No. You cannot be "the right person" because you decided so. You can be
the one that took care of many important issues and has to get credit for
that, but you cannot hijack the organisation of the conference and tell
potential sponsors and investors "talk to me, I'm the only one in charge
here".

And nothing proves that we need "investors". And if we are to continue
with non-profit organization, we could very well name someone to take care
of sponsors. AFAIK, Denis found sponsors for this year's conference.

If you really want to put a contact, I'm very fine with putting P3B,
without any bios or names.

And I'd be curious about the names of the companies who turned down on us.

> > Here are my suggestions: remove the bios and put in all the names of the
> > people who participated, in alphabetical order, without any details about
> > what they did. If you want me to, I can compile a list from the archives
> > of the mailing list, from the IRC logs, etc.
> 
> That was the intent of the credits page one the last page of the
> brochure. We know that not all people are propely mentioned
> on that page, but didn't get more feedback.

Could it be that people who contributed early on didn't have time to
proff-read the all thing. Is that a good reason for us not to give them
credit for what they did ?

> If you could submit a more complete list, we can try to integrate it
> there.

Well, if you can "try", I'll "try" to provide you with one.

> We can also make the bios less prominent on the team page and add more
> names and bios to the support team section.

My opinion is "just remove them".
 
> Replacing the complete page with an alphabetic list is not an
> option,

My opinion is "just remove the page".

> because this would not reflect the structure of the EuroPython
> organization which is modelled very much after the Python development
> scheme: BDFL + core team + cast of thousands.

Couple questions here: who decided this and when was it publicly stated ?
Damn, who could be that BDFL, is it Tom or Denis ? Who is part of the core
team ? Where did the the thousands go ?

It sounds so natural when you say this, that I feel stupid asking...

> > As you already know, I sent comments about the brochure within the hour I
> > learned about it on tuesday morning. I did not keep a copy of the brochure
> > that was published on monday, but I'm pretty sure the bios weren't in at
> > the time.
> 
> Believe me: they were in right from the start.

Then I made a mistake in not bringing this up earlier.

> As I said many times before: I don't have a problem with adding more
> credit mentions to the brochure (except maybe for the fact that it
> further delays publishing it).
> 
> Please send us an alphabetical list of name - task combinations
> and we'll put it on the credits page.

You don't have a problem with it except that there is no time left for it,
that "someone" has to do it and that removing the bios is out of the
question...

> If more people think they should be mentioned on the team page, please
> tell us. We certainly don't want any member of the team to be
> misrepresented. You can mail us to europython@p3b.org but it has to be
> within the next few hours, since ReportLab will finalize the brochure
> tonight.
> 
> Gosh, I never knew how hard it would be to keep people happy
> and still organize an event of this size (heck, we're probably
> almost as large as the IPC !).

I'm sure removing the bios to give proper credit would "make people
happy". I didn't hear about Tom and Denis on this list, but I would bet
they wouldn't mind...

And you don't have to keep people happy since you're not "THE" organizer
of the event but "AN" organizer of the event, thus "WE" have to keep
"OURSELVES" happy.

I cannot understand why my point of view seems to be hard to understand...
we organized this as a group. We get credit as a group. We discuss the
organization of next year's conference as a group during EPC1 next week.
And if we agree as a group that you're in charge for next year's
conference and that people get to talk to you, then fine ! But don't try
to make it look like this is mandatory, that it was agreed on long ago and
that not having bios on the front page will lead us to failure.

Another try: what's so difficult with replacing this page with P3B's
contact information displayed as it was on the first press release ?

Quoting it here :

	Contacts
                  Comité d'organisation EuroPython
                  P3B c/o Aragne
                  Boulevard Général Michel 1E
                  B-6000 Charleroi

[then names of contacts per country]

if you want to use an e-mail address, make it europython@p3b.org and turn
it into a semi-public list.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 16:04:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:04:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <095501c21934$edd3cdf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Marc,

I reply to you in private, because I think Nicolas is right in several
ways. Let you agree on some of my points so that I come into the open
with it.

> Sure, more support would be good. But starting the organization of
> EPC2 right after EPC1 and getting the same support as this time would
> be enough for us to get a better one next year. Time was a problem
> more than good will and hard work IMHO.
>
>> This event was much too much of a financial risk for P3B.
>
> AFAIK, you're not P3B. Denis chose to take that risk, he is the one to
> be thanked for it (and Martijn for the initial idea).
>
>> We only reached a break even about a week ago -- that's 10 days
>> before the conference !
>
> Starting the organization of a conference 4 month before its date is
> very risky and dangerous... but we all made it and that's something
> we can be happy with.
>
> Again, we did not take that much of financial risk. P3B did.
>
>>> Good. If the only purpose of the committee was for the event to
>>> happen and was internal organization, why would we need to mention
>>> it in the brochure?
>>
>> Because these guys are the ones sponsors and investors need to
>> talk to. They do have to know they are talking to the right
>> persons. This was one of the points we heard
>> from potential attendees and companies who criticised
>> and turned down on us.
>
> No. You cannot be "the right person" because you decided so. You can
> be the one that took care of many important issues and has to get
> credit for that, but you cannot hijack the organisation of the
> conference and tell potential sponsors and investors "talk to me, I'm
> the only one in charge here".

He is correct here. We are not in charge of EuroPython, We can only say
that we took initiative during the bad periods of EPC1, we don't know
who will organise the next events. That's a meeting in EPC1. I would of
course not be happy if a person who hasn't done today will do something
next year, but if that's the choice of the community, ok... so be it.

> And nothing proves that we need "investors". And if we are to continue
> with non-profit organization, we could very well name someone to take
> care of sponsors. AFAIK, Denis found sponsors for this year's
> conference.
>
> If you really want to put a contact, I'm very fine with putting P3B,
> without any bios or names.

Let's do this. We're not sure for next year and if we are choosen, we
can still let the companies know who we are.

> And I'd be curious about the names of the companies who turned down
> on us.
>
>>> Here are my suggestions: remove the bios and put in all the names
>>> of the people who participated, in alphabetical order, without any
>>> details about what they did. If you want me to, I can compile a
>>> list from the archives of the mailing list, from the IRC logs, etc.
>>
>> That was the intent of the credits page one the last page of the
>> brochure. We know that not all people are propely mentioned
>> on that page, but didn't get more feedback.
>
> Could it be that people who contributed early on didn't have time to
> proff-read the all thing. Is that a good reason for us not to give
> them credit for what they did ?

mmm, don't quiet agree on this point.

>> If you could submit a more complete list, we can try to integrate it
>> there.
>
> Well, if you can "try", I'll "try" to provide you with one.
>
>> We can also make the bios less prominent on the team page and add
>> more names and bios to the support team section.
>
> My opinion is "just remove them".

yup, just trash it. It will do us more harm than anything else.

>> Replacing the complete page with an alphabetic list is not an
>> option,
>
> My opinion is "just remove the page".

Yup, we just remove the whole credit thing. It will be just a brochure.
Which is fine for me.

>
> I cannot understand why my point of view seems to be hard to
> understand... we organized this as a group. We get credit as a group.
> We discuss the organization of next year's conference as a group
> during EPC1 next week. And if we agree as a group that you're in
> charge for next year's conference and that people get to talk to you,
> then fine ! But don't try to make it look like this is mandatory,
> that it was agreed on long ago and that not having bios on the front
> page will lead us to failure.

That's correct. I also always thought that the next congress would be
discussed at EPC1.
Of course that's also my fear. I'll bet that there are sharks who think
they will earn money etc by doing it next year.
But again, if the people want that, that we've to take this as ok. We
only stood up for EPC1, not yet for next year!

> Another try: what's so difficult with replacing this page with P3B's
> contact information displayed as it was on the first press release ?
>
> Quoting it here :
>
> Contacts
>                   Comit=E9 d'organisation EuroPython
>                   P3B c/o Aragne
>                   Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E
>                   B-6000 Charleroi
>
> [then names of contacts per country]
>

I do have problems with some people on that list.... Lot's of them never
told something or don't even know what was done during the last months,
so I don't think they are good contacts... (and I would tell this on the
not private reply as well)


> if you want to use an e-mail address, make it europython@p3b.org and
> turn it into a semi-public list.
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 16:21:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:21:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <095501c21934$edd3cdf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <098901c21937$61a42c00$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Marc,
>
> I reply to you in private, because I think Nicolas is right in several
> ways. Let you agree on some of my points so that I come into the open
> with it.

Oops, well, no harm done, some clarifications:

1. We are a team here (ie Denis, Marc and me). As you see, we first
discuss all points before we go open with it. Which is good, because we
are a team. This also means that all things said by one person is
confirmed by the others (what would happen if we all three should go
open with a different opinion? Correct, more confusion, more flame wars,
more ...).
Therefor, before going open with a new idea, we discuss these points
first. Then go with this idea to the list and then let the flames start
:-).

2. The points discussed here are my ideas, not that of Marc nor that of
Denis, so if you disagree on some points in my discussion, you may
attack me directly!

3. As you can see, I have a firm opinion on some points.

a) I'm not totally happy on some reactions and on things which might
happen next year, but if the community chooses for it, well than the
community chooses for it. I would not like to hear on the congress, well
Tom, you did a nice job, now let the professionals take over... and poor
Tom  (and Marc and Denis) has spend all the previous months each day
several hours, completely for free...working his a** out for EPC to
happen (like others I don't mention now). But of course I'm not the
community and the community has to decide. Getting all these
discussions, wonders me if I even want to help next year....

b) ... ah hell, what's the point. It makes me only more unhappy.

Let the flame discussion start. :-(

Tom.


>> Sure, more support would be good. But starting the organization of
>> EPC2 right after EPC1 and getting the same support as this time would
>> be enough for us to get a better one next year. Time was a problem
>> more than good will and hard work IMHO.
>>
>>> This event was much too much of a financial risk for P3B.
>>
>> AFAIK, you're not P3B. Denis chose to take that risk, he is the one
>> to be thanked for it (and Martijn for the initial idea).
>>
>>> We only reached a break even about a week ago -- that's 10 days
>>> before the conference !
>>
>> Starting the organization of a conference 4 month before its date is
>> very risky and dangerous... but we all made it and that's something
>> we can be happy with.
>>
>> Again, we did not take that much of financial risk. P3B did.
>>
>>>> Good. If the only purpose of the committee was for the event to
>>>> happen and was internal organization, why would we need to mention
>>>> it in the brochure?
>>>
>>> Because these guys are the ones sponsors and investors need to
>>> talk to. They do have to know they are talking to the right
>>> persons. This was one of the points we heard
>>> from potential attendees and companies who criticised
>>> and turned down on us.
>>
>> No. You cannot be "the right person" because you decided so. You can
>> be the one that took care of many important issues and has to get
>> credit for that, but you cannot hijack the organisation of the
>> conference and tell potential sponsors and investors "talk to me, I'm
>> the only one in charge here".
>
> He is correct here. We are not in charge of EuroPython, We can only
> say that we took initiative during the bad periods of EPC1, we don't
> know who will organise the next events. That's a meeting in EPC1. I
> would of course not be happy if a person who hasn't done today will
> do something next year, but if that's the choice of the community,
> ok... so be it.
>
>> And nothing proves that we need "investors". And if we are to
>> continue with non-profit organization, we could very well name
>> someone to take care of sponsors. AFAIK, Denis found sponsors for
>> this year's conference.
>>
>> If you really want to put a contact, I'm very fine with putting P3B,
>> without any bios or names.
>
> Let's do this. We're not sure for next year and if we are choosen, we
> can still let the companies know who we are.
>
>> And I'd be curious about the names of the companies who turned down
>> on us.
>>
>>>> Here are my suggestions: remove the bios and put in all the names
>>>> of the people who participated, in alphabetical order, without any
>>>> details about what they did. If you want me to, I can compile a
>>>> list from the archives of the mailing list, from the IRC logs, etc.
>>>
>>> That was the intent of the credits page one the last page of the
>>> brochure. We know that not all people are propely mentioned
>>> on that page, but didn't get more feedback.
>>
>> Could it be that people who contributed early on didn't have time to
>> proff-read the all thing. Is that a good reason for us not to give
>> them credit for what they did ?
>
> mmm, don't quiet agree on this point.
>
>>> If you could submit a more complete list, we can try to integrate it
>>> there.
>>
>> Well, if you can "try", I'll "try" to provide you with one.
>>
>>> We can also make the bios less prominent on the team page and add
>>> more names and bios to the support team section.
>>
>> My opinion is "just remove them".
>
> yup, just trash it. It will do us more harm than anything else.
>
>>> Replacing the complete page with an alphabetic list is not an
>>> option,
>>
>> My opinion is "just remove the page".
>
> Yup, we just remove the whole credit thing. It will be just a
> brochure. Which is fine for me.
>
>>
>> I cannot understand why my point of view seems to be hard to
>> understand... we organized this as a group. We get credit as a group.
>> We discuss the organization of next year's conference as a group
>> during EPC1 next week. And if we agree as a group that you're in
>> charge for next year's conference and that people get to talk to you,
>> then fine ! But don't try to make it look like this is mandatory,
>> that it was agreed on long ago and that not having bios on the front
>> page will lead us to failure.
>
> That's correct. I also always thought that the next congress would be
> discussed at EPC1.
> Of course that's also my fear. I'll bet that there are sharks who
> think they will earn money etc by doing it next year.
> But again, if the people want that, that we've to take this as ok. We
> only stood up for EPC1, not yet for next year!
>
>> Another try: what's so difficult with replacing this page with P3B's
>> contact information displayed as it was on the first press release ?
>>
>> Quoting it here :
>>
>> Contacts
>>                   Comit=E9 d'organisation EuroPython
>>                   P3B c/o Aragne
>>                   Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E
>>                   B-6000 Charleroi
>>
>> [then names of contacts per country]
>>
>
> I do have problems with some people on that list.... Lot's of them
> never told something or don't even know what was done during the last
> months, so I don't think they are good contacts... (and I would tell
> this on the not private reply as well)
>
>
>> if you want to use an e-mail address, make it europython@p3b.org and
>> turn it into a semi-public list.
>>
>> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
>> Paris (France)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>> _______________________________________________
>> Tom mailing list
>> Tom@aragne.com
>> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri Jun 21 16:54:47 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:54:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <1024674887.3d134c47346f8@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:

> Other people please speak up to get this matter cleared 
> out quickly.

Ok, could we all calm down a bit and try not to spoil
the entire event alltogether, please? 

MAL wrote also to me something about the BDFL/core/cast 
religion and I told him that I'd certainly disagree with 
at least with the "FL". ;-)

Let's try to be constructive and look exactly at what
the brochure's most important target group actually is.
>From my point of view this is to serve the attendees,
more than next year's sponsors, if only because next
year is more uncertain than next week! 

Since I do definitely not see this as a marketing in-
strument, I wonder why we cannot please Nicholas and
Denis and simplify the credits page (4) while putting
something more reasonable that more people can agree
with on the website? I think it is totally sufficient
for this info (needed mostly by next year's sponsors
as it is said) to be available online and also some
time *after* the event, but not so much in the bro-
chure right now. All of you could then join some dedi-
cated mega-BOF to work out some kind of "EPC Manifesto".

How does that sound? What I'd definitly not like to
see is a fragmentation into several cock-fighting 
gangs next week!

Dinu



From tim@2wave.net  Fri Jun 21 17:08:02 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (Tim Couper)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 17:08:02 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <20020621150502.17849.45299.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKILCLHLPDFKBLBPBGELJCBAA.tim@2wave.net>

With regard to the important and somewhat heated discussion about listing
credits, I'd like to say:

a) Who is getting credit for what needs to be agreed next time

b) as someone famous said "People can get a lot done if no-one minds who
takes the credit". Maybe those of us in the "credit-less" zone can try to
"not mind who takes the credit" this time? :-)

Next year's conference is going to be bigger and better anyway!!!!!!!!

Tim








From paul@zope.com  Fri Jun 21 17:10:07 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 12:10:07 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <1024674887.3d134c47346f8@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <3D134FDF.3000007@zope.com>

The scariest part of this conversation is we might convince Tom to sue 
us all for the slave labor working conditions he's been under. :^)

Seriously, I agree with Dinu.  We have produced a successful event. 
Why?  Because someone fronted the money (Denis), a small group of people 
did a lot of work, and a larger group of people did their share.  Since 
I'm definately not in the top ten, the least I can do is give a round of 
applause to those that are.

I'm glad Nicolas said what he did.  It means he's proud of his effort 
(as he should be), and that there is a team-oriented spirit.

At the same time, this exception can be caught and handled. :^)  The 
brochure isn't a travesty.  Anything broken can be fixed by giving 
credit in the opening remarks.

Personally, I'll buy a beer for everyone involved, as long as Denis 
gives me his charge card. :^)

--Paul

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:
> 
> 
>>Other people please speak up to get this matter cleared 
>>out quickly.
> 
> 
> Ok, could we all calm down a bit and try not to spoil
> the entire event alltogether, please? 
> 
> MAL wrote also to me something about the BDFL/core/cast 
> religion and I told him that I'd certainly disagree with 
> at least with the "FL". ;-)
> 
> Let's try to be constructive and look exactly at what
> the brochure's most important target group actually is.
> From my point of view this is to serve the attendees,
> more than next year's sponsors, if only because next
> year is more uncertain than next week! 
> 
> Since I do definitely not see this as a marketing in-
> strument, I wonder why we cannot please Nicholas and
> Denis and simplify the credits page (4) while putting
> something more reasonable that more people can agree
> with on the website? I think it is totally sufficient
> for this info (needed mostly by next year's sponsors
> as it is said) to be available online and also some
> time *after* the event, but not so much in the bro-
> chure right now. All of you could then join some dedi-
> cated mega-BOF to work out some kind of "EPC Manifesto".
> 
> How does that sound? What I'd definitly not like to
> see is a fragmentation into several cock-fighting 
> gangs next week!
> 
> Dinu
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 17:38:04 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:38:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <1024674887.3d134c47346f8@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <0ac101c21942$03eb6690$1e71a8c0@u10136>

[snip]

> Since I do definitely not see this as a marketing in-
> strument, I wonder why we cannot please Nicholas and
> Denis and simplify the credits page (4) while putting
> something more reasonable that more people can agree
> with on the website? I think it is totally sufficient
> for this info (needed mostly by next year's sponsors
> as it is said) to be available online and also some
> time *after* the event, but not so much in the bro-
> chure right now. All of you could then join some dedi-
> cated mega-BOF to work out some kind of "EPC Manifesto".

With all these opinions I even opt for removing all the credit pages
from the brochure (except Reportlabs one, because they made the brochure
:-). Seriously, this is:

1. Easy : ReportLab can remove the page much easier than changing it (I
think), so we reach our deadline
2. Better : We will not forget somebody to add (which is always the case
in these things) and no fuss for creating it.

> How does that sound? What I'd definitly not like to see is a
fragmentation into several cock-fighting gangs next week!

Please, let us surely avoid this.

Tom.




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Jun 21 17:48:36 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:48:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <0ac101c21942$03eb6690$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211846300.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> With all these opinions I even opt for removing all the credit pages
> from the brochure (except Reportlabs one, because they made the brochure
> :-). Seriously, this is:
> 
> 1. Easy : ReportLab can remove the page much easier than changing it (I
> think), so we reach our deadline
> 2. Better : We will not forget somebody to add (which is always the case
> in these things) and no fuss for creating it.

I second that. Giving no credit is the simplest solution. +10 :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Jun 21 17:31:41 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 18:31:41 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <1024674887.3d134c47346f8@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211829550.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Let's try to be constructive and look exactly at what the brochure's
> most important target group actually is. >From my point of view this
> is to serve the attendees, more than next year's sponsors, if only
> because next year is more uncertain than next week!
> 
> Since I do definitely not see this as a marketing instrument, I
> wonder why we cannot please Nicholas and Denis and simplify the
> credits page (4) while putting something more reasonable that more
> people can agree with on the website? I think it is totally sufficient
> for this info (needed mostly by next year's sponsors as it is said) to
> be available online and also some time *after* the event, but not so
> much in the bro- chure right now. All of you could then join some
> dedi- cated mega-BOF to work out some kind of "EPC Manifesto".
> 
> How does that sound?

Very good. Let's remove the page on agree next week on what to put on the
web site.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri Jun 21 18:22:36 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:22:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <3D132FB5.80507@lemburg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020621172236.GB25485@vet.uu.nl>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
> > I'm not interesting in a flame war here and would also welcome
> > comments from other people.
> 
> Other people please speak up to get this matter cleared out quickly.

All right then. 

Yesterday I saw the credit page. I was not pleased; I felt I'd done more
than just organize a track and write a press release (I was in the end
credits for the latter, and on page 4 just as a track chair). People can
determine for themselves what I did in the past (I think a lot), even though 
I have been able to spend somewhat less time (but still significant amounts)
recently.

I did not want to kick up a fuss, and I guess I was selfish, as I only
spoke up for myself to MAL, Denis and Tom in private.

As a result of that the page got changed to what Nicolas saw today -- some
more people added to the support team with a little bit more credit. 
So I said okay, because really we have better things to do than argue
about this, and I didn't want it to become a 'credit pissing match'.

But still I cannot be unhappy that Nicolas spoke up, and was gracious enough
to also speak up for me. Thank you, Nicolas. I appreciate that.

Anyway, I've seen the suggestion been bandied about several times today
and yesterday for scrapping the bios (just names with some text in 
parenthesis about their role, I'd say). This suggestion would have my
support as well; it seems to be the fairest solution.

Anyway, let's all enjoy the conference (that is a lot of reward for our
work), and I'll try to be quiet about this again from now on.
Perhaps we can all work this out over a beer next week. :)

Thanks again everybody for their hard work and making this happen. We should 
be proud of EuroPython; I am. :)
 
Regards,

Martijn




From denis@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 18:53:42 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 19:53:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <3D132FB5.80507@lemburg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020621175342.GD16007@carolo.net>

Le Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 04:41:24PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat pianota:
> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>=20
> > I'm not interesting in a flame war here and would also welcome
> > comments from other people.

I've no much time to argue longly on this point. There are still many
minor issues to be tackled and my todos are already overlapping :
- the Zope sprint starts this Sunday
- I burry a (close) friend of mine this Monday
- the conference starts this wednesday.

I would be pleased by having global credit for the EuroPython Team.

> Another try: what's so difficult with replacing this page with P3B's
> contact information displayed as it was on the first press release ?
>=20
> Quoting it here :
>=20
> 	Contacts
>                   Comit=E9 d'organisation EuroPython
>                   P3B c/o Aragne
>                   Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E
>                   B-6000 Charleroi

Fine for me. If we need a contact address for further correspondance, it
will do. You can even drop the "P3B c/o Aragne" line : now, they all know
who are the EuroPython Team local contacts at this address.

> [then names of contacts per country]

Drop this too. As soon as a list will be written, it will be unfair for
some people.

For example, we didn't speak a lot about Godefroid Chapelle with whom I
had long phone conversations and who was always very present. Fran=E7ois
Gillet gets no credit though he organized the whole ADEPS accomodation,
with pictures, webpages, annoying payment issues, etc. My friend Olivier
wrote the news product we use on the EuroPython website and had a work
overload because I was busy with the conference organization, etc.

When will this list be exhaustive ?

> if you want to use an e-mail address, make it europython@p3b.org and tu=
rn
> it into a semi-public list.

Why not.

We'll have to delete the archive because we had too many ugly comments
on each of you, though. ;-)

Denis

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Jun 21 19:09:26 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 20:09:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Revised brochures available
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206211555490.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <095501c21934$edd3cdf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <098901c21937$61a42c00$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3D136BD6.5010306@lemburg.com>

Hi everybody,

Just wanted to thank you for all your feedback. I just came back
from Joachim (I brought him the bags and badges) and was
surprised by the outburst of flames.

To end this, just let me say that for me, the only one
deserving credit is my assistant: she spent 2 hours fiddling
those micro-perforated badge printouts into the plastic
slips for your badges and doesn't even attend the
conference !

Anyway, I'm heading off into the weekend and let you do what
you think is right.

Have a nice weekend,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 21:05:33 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 22:05:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
Message-ID: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I want to draw a line on what happened today. This is clearly the
*worst* scenario on how to start a conference. I'm glad to say that this
is at least something where we can say that we all share credit for it.
I think I can see several people smile now, when reading this list...
(nodding they were right about their ideas on EP)

To tell you the truth, I'm a lot afraid of what will happen on
wednesday, I'm scared to show my face at the conference. Perhaps I'm the
only one with this feeling, but this is really not the climate we
intended to create.

Nobody speaks up anymore, nobody brings in a solution (proposing a
solution, but not working it out, is no solution), so I'll do it. I take
up the responsibility and I will personally accept all the messages of
people who disagree.

1) I think because of what happened today, nobody earns credit, so it is
the best to just drop the information from that. Everybody will know
what he did him/herself and the others will know too.

2) Nobody brought in a credit list which could be used in the brochure.
I've no time to make a list myself and seriously, I don't even want to
put time in it.

3) We will forget a lot of people (we did already), people who worked
behind the scenes, like the secretary of Marc, the local people of
Aragne, etc.

----------------------------------------------------------------------

So, Andy (or anybody from Reportlab) can you please just remove the
following page :

Page 4 : The EuroPython Organization Team

And change:

Page 46 By removing the Credits section.

After you've done this, let me know, so that I make a news item on the
list to let people know the brochure is downloadable.

Thanks Andy

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I've learned a lot during these last months, I think it is part of
growing up. I had a more idyllic picture, but learned that it isn't.
Now, I hope that we can still have a good EuroPython without too much
hard feelings. Let's put these aside and make something nice out of it.

I only hope that some broken pots can still be glued.

Sincerely,
Tom







From denis@aragne.com  Fri Jun 21 22:26:06 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2002 23:26:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
In-Reply-To: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020621212606.GP16007@carolo.net>

Le Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 10:05:33PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> I want to draw a line on what happened today.

I'm sure we all want.

> This is clearly the *worst* scenario on how to start a conference.

No, it could be far more awful. :-)

> To tell you the truth, I'm a lot afraid of what will happen on
> wednesday, I'm scared to show my face at the conference.

I'm sure it will be OK. We'll all drink a good Chimay beer and we'll
end in kissing eachother.

True ! The Chimay Browery will sponsor us !

They ask no ad, no credit ;-) and they will offer you all a very good
blond beer. Not a pissy pils, a real Belgian Beer, the best ever.
  see http://www.chimay.com
You have to eat Chimay cheese when you drink Chimay beer. We'll also get
5 kilograms cheese. Not per person, for all of us, except for Steeve
Alexander. ;-) (he knows why)

Marc-Andre's point of view is not totally wrong, but when we start
giving credits, it has to be unfair for someone. Let's throw any
personnal credit away, we all agreed in the beginning it would be a
community organizaion. The press-release states that EuroPython Team is
the organizer. When you'll need to have credit, in front of a customer
for example, just say *you* and a whole community behind you has
organized this event. That should be enough. 

While we're discussing here, we're not biting at java or .asp market
share.

Python is strength and fun. Zope is a real killer app. 
EuroPython 2002 will be a fair.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat Jun 22 00:05:03 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:05:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
In-Reply-To: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020621230503.GA26792@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I want to draw a line on what happened today. This is clearly the
> *worst* scenario on how to start a conference.

I can think of a few worse scenarios, like the conference losing money,
or nobody showing up, or it being full of geeks who only talk about
programming languages (oh, wait..no, that is fun! :)

We got a few ruffled feathers here and there, and so we make a bit of
noise, but my feathers are already unruffling quite nicely.

> I'm glad to say that this
> is at least something where we can say that we all share credit for it.
> I think I can see several people smile now, when reading this list...
> (nodding they were right about their ideas on EP)
> 
> To tell you the truth, I'm a lot afraid of what will happen on
> wednesday, I'm scared to show my face at the conference. Perhaps I'm the
> only one with this feeling, but this is really not the climate we
> intended to create.

It wasn't nice for a couple of posts, but nothing I hope a moderate
amount of Belgian beer together can't fix! And though people were upset
for a bit, that doesn't mean we want to kick your face in. Kissing is
closer, but don't worry, I won't do that either. :)

> Nobody speaks up anymore, nobody brings in a solution (proposing a
> solution, but not working it out, is no solution)

I'm sorry if I participated in that..

> 1) I think because of what happened today, nobody earns credit,

ho hum. You certainly deserve credit, and so do a lot of other people, 
like MAL and Denis and Nicolas and MAL's assistant and maybe Torvald the 
cat even who helped keep tensions down here at Infrae.

[snip decisions]

Okay.

> I've learned a lot during these last months, I think it is part of
> growing up. I had a more idyllic picture, but learned that it isn't.
> Now, I hope that we can still have a good EuroPython without too much
> hard feelings. Let's put these aside and make something nice out of it.

Surely! A few storms in a teacup in the bigger picture.

> I only hope that some broken pots can still be glued.

In any human endeavour there will be friction once every while. My
pot certainly isn't broken and I sincerely hope I didn't kick in 
anyone else's pot either.

And remind me to buy you a beer.

Thanks,

Martijn




From mvm@brutele.be  Sat Jun 22 00:27:58 2002
From: mvm@brutele.be (viny)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:27:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <001b01c2197b$47f4e9e0$68ff44d4@gfx1>

>And remind me to buy you a beer.

Oh yes, like Martijn 
let me buy you a beer for your "devotion" and "patience" ...
Thank's a lot for all...

Good week-end and get the fun on the EuroPython Conference 2002...

Hey, "Orators" please give us the best like you are...

See you on EPC 2002,
Vincent Maton.

 _______________________________________________
 EuroPython mailing list
 EuroPython@python.org
 http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Jun 22 00:19:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 01:19:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <000001c219b6$1dab19d0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>

[snip]
>
> 1) I think because of what happened today, nobody earns credit, so it
> is the best to just drop the information from that. Everybody will
> know what he did him/herself and the others will know too.

clarification: of course people do still earn the credit, I worded it
wrongly, not sure how to word it. I just mean, lets drop the whole
credit case thing from the brochure. It is not needed

[snip]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> So, Andy (or anybody from Reportlab) can you please just remove the
> following page :
>
> Page 4 : The EuroPython Organization Team
>
> And change:
>
> Page 46 By removing the Credits section.
>
> After you've done this, let me know, so that I make a news item on the
> list to let people know the brochure is downloadable.
>
> Thanks Andy
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -
[snip]

Tom.





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Sat Jun 22 08:45:12 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 09:45:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
In-Reply-To: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <1024731911.3d142b0801b3c@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> I want to draw a line on what happened today. This is clearly 
> the *worst* scenario on how to start a conference. [...]

No, no... - it can always be worse! ;-)

> I only hope that some broken pots can still be glued.

Hey! We all speak a glue language, don't we?! So there is 
really *no* reason to believe things couldn't be fixed! 
And you all should know that broken bones get hardened 
after healing when they were nicely glued together! :-)

Amities,

Dinu




From nico@tekNico.net  Sat Jun 22 07:48:33 2002
From: nico@tekNico.net (Nicola Larosa)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2002 08:48:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3D141DC1.3050504@tekNico.net>

> I want to draw a line on what happened today. This is clearly the
> *worst* scenario on how to start a conference.

No, it's not. Could be much worse. ;^)


> To tell you the truth, I'm a lot afraid of what will happen on
> wednesday, I'm scared to show my face at the conference.

Ehi, wait a minute. *You* worked hard for this, we all know this, and that's 
what's important, no matter what people say, or don't.

Besides, don't forget those couple dozen beers I owe you. You'll see things 
from a different perspective, after that. :^)


-- 
"Perl is a language for dog people, i.e., people who like big, shaggy,
messy critters that slobber all over the place, chew on everything,
and that require a lot of work to maintain.
Python is a language for cat people, people who like neat, independent,
self-contained critters that don't require a lot of maintenance."
   Eric L. Green

Nicola Larosa - nico@tekNico.net





From denis@aragne.com  Mon Jun 24 00:25:51 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 01:25:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
In-Reply-To: <3D141DC1.3050504@tekNico.net>
References: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter> <3D141DC1.3050504@tekNico.net>
Message-ID: <20020624012551.K6937@carolo.net>

Le Sat, Jun 22, 2002 at 08:48:33AM +0200, Nicola Larosa pianota:
> 
> Besides, don't forget those couple dozen beers I owe you. You'll see
> things from a different perspective, after that. :^)

I would like to ask people on this list to stop offering beers to Tom :
he will end completely drunk and won't be able to drive back home ! ;-)

Denis
-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Jun 24 08:52:14 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:52:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure
In-Reply-To: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0206240936590.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> I want to draw a line on what happened today. This is clearly the
> *worst* scenario on how to start a conference. I'm glad to say that
> this is at least something where we can say that we all share credit
> for it. I think I can see several people smile now, when reading this
> list... (nodding they were right about their ideas on EP)

I do not think this was the worst possible scenario... everything went
along very well for several months, the conference is happening, will have
over 200 attendees, loads of interesting talks, and will not even cost
money to its organizers ! That is what I call a success.

> To tell you the truth, I'm a lot afraid of what will happen on
> wednesday, I'm scared to show my face at the conference. Perhaps I'm the
> only one with this feeling, but this is really not the climate we
> intended to create.

You should be proud of showing there, it happened because of you.
 
> Nobody speaks up anymore, nobody brings in a solution (proposing a
> solution, but not working it out, is no solution), so I'll do it. I take
> up the responsibility and I will personally accept all the messages of
> people who disagree.
> 
> ...
> 
> Page 46 By removing the Credits section.
> 
> After you've done this, let me know, so that I make a news item on the
> list to let people know the brochure is downloadable.
> 
> Thanks Andy
> 
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------

That sounds perfect !

> I've learned a lot during these last months, I think it is part of
> growing up. I had a more idyllic picture, but learned that it isn't.
> Now, I hope that we can still have a good EuroPython without too much
> hard feelings. Let's put these aside and make something nice out of it.

Tom, you say this is "part of growing up". I do not know how old you are,
but can assure you that what we had looks like a heated public discussion
to me, certainly not a flamewar. We had different point of views, people
spoke up and the matter got solved within the same day ! Nobody was called
names, everyone is happy to have the issue solved and wants to buy beers
to everyone else. Really, I see nothing wrong with this and I call it a
perfect example of a debate in a small-scale republic (with the budget
guy having some obvious dictatorship powers ;-).

And don't worry, even if Denis doesn't want me to, I will buy the three of
you committee members enough beers to make sure that you remember this
event. ;-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Etienne Posthumus <etienne@cs.vu.nl>  Mon Jun 24 13:13:59 2002
From: Etienne Posthumus <etienne@cs.vu.nl> (Etienne Posthumus)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 14:13:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] GPS co-ordinates for CEME
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0206241402120.8447-100000@flits.cs.vu.nl>

Does anyone have the GPS co-ords for the CEME?

I will be travelling there by motorcycle from Amsterdam on Tuesday
evening, and it would be handy to follow the little yellow box for the
last stretch.

Actually I should be trying to get the Formule 1 hotel
location, as I won't be going to the CEME on Tuesday night. But I figure
the chance of someone having the CEME location is much higher.

Etienne Posthumus
Programmer, IIDS - Intelligent Interactive Distributed Systems
http://www.iids.org/
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
----------------------------




From andy@reportlab.com  Mon Jun 24 13:06:45 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:06:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Brochure
In-Reply-To: <01e901c2195f$37f473b0$918c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIELHDIAA.andyrobinson@dialin.co.uk>

> So, Andy (or anybody from Reportlab) can you please just remove the
> following page :
> 
> Page 4 : The EuroPython Organization Team
> 
> And change:
> 
> Page 46 By removing the Credits section.
> 
> After you've done this, let me know, so that I make a news 
> item on the
> list to let people know the brochure is downloadable.

Unfortunately a busy weekend and some serious mailer problems 
mean that my colleagues and I ReportLab only just caught the 
conclusion to this "discussion". We're making the changes now
and looking at the print problems.

- Andy





From andy@reportlab.com  Mon Jun 24 16:00:32 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:00:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Brochure Updated - please print several and bring them with you :-)
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEAMCJAA.andy@reportlab.com>

At long last the brohure has been modified, without any 
credits.   We had terrible ISP problems at the weekend 
and today and I had to give up and drive somewhere else
to upload this.  Sorry about the wait.  The Infrae ad moved
to under the floorplans, ReportLab lost any attribution 
whatsoever, but there aren't any hours left.

There is no change in URLs since Friday but I will restate 
them anyway.  The two static versions are at
http://server.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure.pdf (full)
http://server.reportlab.com/demos/epc/brochure_minimal.pdf (full)

The script which generates it can be reached via either
http://server.reportlab.com/cgi-bin/epc_brochure.py
or from www.reportlab.com, then 'Live Demos' then the
bottom link using the menus.


thanks,

Andy Robinson
ReportLab inc.

p.s. Regarding printer problems:  we still cannot reproduce
these and there is no time to fiddle at random and risk
breakages.  Every test we know comes up clean.  If anyone
is still having print problems, please try this:

(1) be very sure you downloaded the PDF by a right-click
and 'save as'; OCX plugins can do weird stuff sometimes.
(2) give details of the PRINTER architecture - model,
Postscript or PCL, version (not which Acrobat Reader,
as that is not the problem) and we'll investigate,
but not before the conference.









From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 24 23:44:54 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 00:44:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Brochure
Message-ID: <018901c21bd0$c5cb55a0$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> To tell you the truth, I'm a lot afraid of what will happen on
> wednesday, I'm scared to show my face at the conference. Perhaps I'm
the
> only one with this feeling, but this is really not the climate we
> intended to create.

You should be proud of showing there, it happened because of you.

Mmm, why does everybody says that? Everybody worked on this and probably
most people did actually more work than myself (and even posted more).
Look at Denis, he worked out everything at Charleroi, because he is the
local (that's a hell of a job) and took the major risk (standing bail).
Look at Marc-Andre who took the accountancy over and much more. Look at
yourself, you did lot's of work. Look at Martijn... if he didn't started
at the first place, we wouldn't be here. Look at all the trackmanagers
(some of you are trackmanagers as well). I was mostly more a pain in the
a** for most of you.:-) and very limited to most of the things.

No, everybody worked on this. It will be a success if we all stick
together and make a nice time of it.
If we don't.... it will be a failure.

Regards,
Tom





From lozinski@openstepnews.com  Tue Jun 25 01:35:03 2002
From: lozinski@openstepnews.com (lozinski@openstepnews.com)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:35:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths
In-Reply-To: <20020624160034.16835.67634.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1020624173503.207AAC/o.lozinski@maya>

Well your wonderful conference is about to start, and I have not been able to
take advantage of your offer of booth space.  At first I was broke, then I got a
Zope consulting assignment, and now I do not have the time to join you.

Anyhow, thank you for all the effort put into organizing the conference.  I am
sorry that I will not be there in person.  If anyone would like to talk to me I
would be happy to call you and chat.  Who am I?  The guy who runs the following
web sites:

The Python and zope Job Market at:  python.jobmart.com

The Python and Zope Directory and WebRing at:  www.pythonandzope.com

The Python and Zope Banner Exchange:
www.pythonandzope.com/BannerInfo

I hope that you have a successful conference.

Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Jun 24 19:08:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 20:08:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Brochure
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIELHDIAA.andyrobinson@dialin.co.uk>
Message-ID: <00be01c21bab$44d67c60$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Thanks Andy for all the effort you and your colleagues are putting into
this!

Tom.

Andy Robinson wrote:
>> So, Andy (or anybody from Reportlab) can you please just remove the
>> following page :
>>
>> Page 4 : The EuroPython Organization Team
>>
>> And change:
>>
>> Page 46 By removing the Credits section.
>>
>> After you've done this, let me know, so that I make a news
>> item on the
>> list to let people know the brochure is downloadable.
>
> Unfortunately a busy weekend and some serious mailer problems
> mean that my colleagues and I ReportLab only just caught the
> conclusion to this "discussion". We're making the changes now
> and looking at the print problems.
>
> - Andy
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From sdeibel@wingide.com  Tue Jun 25 17:36:02 2002
From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 12:36:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0206251231210.1340-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>

Hi,

As another sad absentee, I also wanted to thank you all for putting
together EuroPython!  It sounds to me like a great success already, just
from looking at the website, schedule, and brochure.  Congratulations!

- Stephan

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From denis@aragne.com  Fri Jun 28 02:06:04 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 03:06:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0206251231210.1340-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0206251231210.1340-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>
Message-ID: <20020628030604.A3039@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Jun 25, 2002 at 12:36:02PM -0400, Stephan R.A. Deibel pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> As another sad absentee, I also wanted to thank you all for putting
> together EuroPython!  It sounds to me like a great success already,
> just from looking at the website, schedule, and brochure.
> Congratulations!

Hi Stephan, (hi everybody on the list)

Day 2 is over now. Some courageous guys are finishing it drinking
belgian beers. In the bar I just left, there is no more Chimay, but
there are so many good beers to drink before the cellar is empty ! :-)

I'll let the attendees tell you when they'll rejoin their keyboard (I
don't want it could sound like marketing), but you can already know that
EuroPython 2002 *is* a great success. Day 1 was really nice, Day 2 will
last in our minds for a long time. I'm sad for you you can't be one of
those 250 guys making a big fair here in Charleroi. 

Your CDRom's are all gone. Some of us won't have the chance to have one
since we got only 200 of them. Though, we didn't give them without asking
systematically to people if they were interrested in getting one, so
that there is no waste.

You're actually missing something. Prepare yourself for 2003 already, we
want you with us next year.

Yes, Python is really fun !

Denis.

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From sdeibel@wingide.com  Fri Jun 28 01:51:53 2002
From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2002 20:51:53 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <20020628030604.A3039@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0206272040220.1364-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>

On Fri, 28 Jun 2002, Denis Frère wrote:
> Your CDRom's are all gone. Some of us won't have the chance to have one
> since we got only 200 of them. Though, we didn't give them without asking
> systematically to people if they were interrested in getting one, so
> that there is no waste.

Sounds great!  Thanks very much for doing this so thoughtfully.

It is sad to be missing all the fun.  Alas, this seems to be the month of
missed things for me... first a Greek island wedding, then a family
vacation in the black forest, and now Belgian beer and EuroPython.

It could have been a great month!

Oh, well, next year... I keep telling myself, next year! ;-)

- Stephan

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From gotcha@swing.be  Fri Jun 28 18:02:15 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2002 19:02:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] 2k Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <20020628030604.A3039@carolo.net>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0206251231210.1340-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>
 <Pine.LNX.4.30.0206251231210.1340-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020628190009.00a8a4b0@pop.swing.be>

Just before leaving for 5 holiday days... after 6 superb days (Zope3 sprint 
and EuroPython 2002)

2k thanks to NicolasC, TomD, MarcAndreL, DenisF and the whole Aragne team.

See you next year ... or before... ;-)
--

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From jfroche@jfroche.be  Sat Jun 29 17:47:10 2002
From: jfroche@jfroche.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois?= Roche)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 18:47:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Questionnaire
Message-ID: <20020629164710.GA17297@jfr>

Hello,

	Tom went to some deserved vacation. I ll try to help for the
website during this. I have removed the registration link
from the page to prevent people to still register. I 'm working on the
audio tapes of all the conferences, it 'll take some time 'cause i have to
save and compress 31 tapes of 90 minutes each (fortunately not really
full), i have done a few one today and it gives a quite good quality
(http://web.jfroche.be/europython/pauleveritt.mp3 to try the talk of Paul
Everitt).

	Yet i need your help to know which questions should be interesting
to ask to know what does people think about the conference. 

	If you have any photos of the conference that you agree to share
with the community please mail them to me and they 'll be soon on the
website. 

	Early thanks.

				Jean-François Roche
			       Member of the Aragne team



From tismer@tismer.com  Sat Jun 29 18:46:16 2002
From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 19:46:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroStackless slides online
Message-ID: <3D1DF268.8040706@tismer.com>

Hi all,

as promised, I've uploaded the slides from my Stackless
talk to the stackless site. It can be downloaded here:

http://www.stackless.com/#EuroSlides

The page has also been updated to reflect the recent
evalution. Some code concerning thread pickling
will be added, soon.

EuroPython was just -- great!
I'm sure this will be repeated next year
or even earlier.

cheers - chris

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun Jun 30 18:58:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 19:58:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chairman, Speakers
Message-ID: <029001c22061$7e4df530$af8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Thanks again for giving your talk and spending your time on EuroPython.
I wasn't always able to
have a nice chat with you and I'm sorry for that. I hope you all had a
nice time at the congress and that you had some interesting talks with
other visitors and even received some job offers.

For those who haven't done so far, would it be possible to send us a pdf
format of their presentation?
We can then put these talks online for download and perhaps make an iso
image of them with other valuable information of the conference (eg
audio, pictures) as well.

As you probably already know, some are even already available :

http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/presentations

Please send the presentations to Jean-François (jfroche@jfroche.be) who
is so kind to take the burden on him while I'm on vacation.

Best Regards
and see you another time,

Tom.





From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org  Sun Jun 30 20:59:47 2002
From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 21:59:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks to the organizers and the public
Message-ID: <E17OkrN-0003Qh-00@bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net>

Hello,

I hereby would like to warmly thank the organizers, too numerous to be na=
mes=20
all explicitely, the ones who did a lot electronically like DenisF, TomD,=
=20
MarcAL, NicolasC, PaulE and many others, but also the very active team fr=
om=20
Aragne and OS3B who all volunteered to be at the welcome booth, get along=
=20
like Fran=E7ois with the people sleeping at ADEPS.

I would also like to thank all the people who joined  and attended the=20
conference and made it the success it was. With more than 250 people pres=
ent,=20
very actives discussions, and a productive sprint as far as I have been t=
old,=20
I am sure we can call Europython a success and already hope another=20
conference for next year.

Congratulations and thanks to all,

Nicolas