From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Mar  1 08:48:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:48:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget
References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As Denis already told on the list, we should gather some more information
> (figures) about the conference which we can show to governments people and
> industry so that they know we mean it seriously. One point is that we should
> know approx how many people will come to the conference.
> We discussed this at Aragne and it would be good if we make some sort of
> pre-registration form which allows all the people on the list to tell that
> they likely will come and with how many people. This will give us some
> figures.
> Meanwhile I will make contact with ShareIt and create an account. After this
> is finished we can create a registration form which enables to give us a
> more appropriate figure of people who will come. (because people who will
> pay online, will most likely come as well).

I suppose that account will be bound to the P3B account, right ?
In that case, what's the progress on the legal settings ? Has Denis
already sent the needed documents to Martijn ?

> Further on as Martijn is already working on, we should start as well with a
> call-for-papers form, enabling to let people bring in their papers. This
> will give us an idea of the amount of people for presentations as well.
> 
> So, I think the following actions should be discussed *quickly* and
> desicions should be made, since these are some key thingies that certainly
> will be needed before we can finish the above things *completely*:
> 
> 1. When will be the deadline for bringing in papers

I still believe that for the first conference we should not
have refereed papers. It just takes too much effort to get this
right... maybe just me, though. 

Anyway, given that you typically have two rounds before final 
acceptance, the submission deadline should probably be around 
April 1st, the second around 1st of May.

> 2. How much will the confernce cost per person

Hard to tell. 

How far has the budget team reached consensus on this ? 
If not, then please make this top priority !

I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for
students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate,
this is just pie-in-the-sky talk.
 
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri Mar  1 09:25:54 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:25:54 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org?
Message-ID: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

in coping with the enormous lazyness I expect on the
side of magazine journalists to tell the relevant from
the trivial (of course there should not be any, but 
well... editors are also humans) I wonder how to create 
an URL to a localised version of the press-release on 
europython.org? As I can see this is nicely hidden be-
hind some frames that are beyond my research capacities 
right now, if not even in general.

Thanks and regards,

Dinu


From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Mar  1 12:51:12 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:51:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget
In-Reply-To: <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203011349550.594-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for
> students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate,
> this is just pie-in-the-sky talk.

Let's use Euros only. Please. It's *Euro*Python :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o� est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)



From mvm@brutele.be  Fri Mar  1 15:21:23 2002
From: mvm@brutele.be (vincent)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:21:23 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website
References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx>

This is an other model :

a narrow window

http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model01

or a large window

http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02



> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



From obenassy@free.fr  Fri Mar  1 16:35:35 2002
From: obenassy@free.fr (Odile =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9nassy?=)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:35:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website
References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx>
Message-ID: <3C7FADD7.D3D686C4@free.fr>

vincent a =E9crit :
> =

> This is an other model :
> =

I think : too many stars... you should keep them in the logo and that's
it
and a little dull apart from that

> a narrow window
> =

> http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model01
> =

> or a large window
> =

> http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02
> =

> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> =

> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

-- =

Odile B=E9nassy                  http://obenassy.free.fr/
Journ=E9es du Logiciel Libre dans l'Education     =

http://www.libresoftware-educ.org


From spirou@colnet.carolo.net  Fri Mar  1 17:56:17 2002
From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:56:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website
In-Reply-To: <3C7FADD7.D3D686C4@free.fr>
References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx> <3C7FADD7.D3D686C4@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20020301185617.B12559@carolo.net>

Le Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:35:35PM +0100, Odile B=E9nassy pianota:
> I think : too many stars... you should keep them in the logo and
> that's it and a little dull apart from that

My opinion diverges. For me there are not too many stars.
Perhaps I love starry nights more than you do. ;-)

And the new version of the logo is very nice.
(I prefer this font).

I'm looking at it on a laptop 800x600 : the model02 looks better
with this resolution.

Thanks, Vincent.

Denis

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri Mar  1 20:31:47 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:31:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Legal Structure
In-Reply-To: <3C7DF1B7.1B77FE3B@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202261324550.7988-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3C7B9031.B02900F3@lemburg.com> <20020227224224.GB32295@vet.uu.nl> <20020228040845.E21488@carolo.net> <3C7DF1B7.1B77FE3B@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020301203147.GA8662@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
[snip]
> > - What is the program ?
> >  Will there be really accessible presentation for simple human beings ?
> 
> The tutorials ?! 

Sure, some tutorials will be. We can certainly do presentations for
simple human beings if there's a demand. :)

> Some business talks will certainly be.
> 
> >  Will the the presentations be translated ?
> 
> The business talks will be held in English.
> Not sure about the tutorials. In general, I think English
> should be the language of choice in most parts of the
> conference.

Agreed.

> >  Why would it be interresting for local population ?
> 
> To get to know interesting people from all other Europe and
> many other parts of the world. The city could also have interest
> in Python for their own IT department.

Right, all sorts of IT departments in fact should be interested. 

> > - How many rooms and which infrastructure will we need ?
> 
> At least 3 conference rooms, 1 network room with Ethernet
> Internet access, coffee lounge, room for booths, poster
> stands, conference signup.

We need to map this out a bit better. It depends in part on the tracks
we'll have.

> >  Will there be hands-on tutorials ?
> >  How many machines ?
> 
> Good question. Who is going to do the tutorials ?

We will have tutorials. We do need to arrange something about machines;
this was on my mental list. :)

[snip]
> Depends on the budget... BudgetTeam ? 
> 
> I suppose we go for something like EUR 250 for the 
> whole conference, or EUR 100 per day. Students pay half.
> 
> That's cheap for a conference ! (Less is of course better,
> but I doubt the budget will provide for this)
> 
> >  If we're making benefits, will they get something back ?
> 
> We won't make any money: P3B is non-profit. In fact,
> it is more likely we'll have to pay on top, just like
> Foretec that last two or three times.

Foretec has paid employees, we so far don't. That's a major cost factor
scrapped. Also we still have good hopes for CEME. We need to cost the
conference, and then we know how much we should ask.

I still think we can do it relatively cheaply -- more like 100 EUR for the
conference, possibly. 300 * 100 euro is still 30000 euro, and if the factors
of employees and renting the whole conference place are indeed nonpresent,
what are the other major costs?

I mean, I realize that's 30k euro is a pittance in one sense, but it'd like
to see our budget. So far our costs have been about 0 euro.. :)

[booth]
> Should be announced on:
> 
> 	http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors
> 
> I'd say EUR 1000,00 per booth is a good ball point figure.
> We might need to ask for more, though, depending on how
> many booths we can have.

And at the same time we may want to provide individuals with the
opportunity to present their stuff.. Difficult.

> > Could we have pre-registration forms (speakers, sponsors and visitors)
> > where good-will people could give us as much information as possible
> > to try to find answers to these questions ?

I'm moving ahead on the call for speakers. We should do the 
preregistration form after that.

Thanks Denis!

Regards,

Martijn



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Mar  1 20:30:18 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:30:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website
References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx>
Message-ID: <00e101c1c160$a3574030$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>

I like it!

It looks like the left navigation is a little bit wrong,  but for the rest
it looks nice.
Nice, plain, simple and beautifull.

Especially the logo! :-)

So, let's put all designs together on a wiki and vote for them... ok?
If others have prepared another design, please let us know!
The traffic on this list is rather slow lately... is everybody still with
us?


Regards, Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "vincent" <mvm@brutele.be>
To: <europython@python.org>
Cc: "vincent" <mvm@brutele.be>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website


> This is an other model :
>
> a narrow window
>
> http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model01
>
> or a large window
>
> http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02
>
>
>
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be  Fri Mar  1 20:24:46 2002
From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:24:46 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org?
References: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>

For German this would be :

http://www.europython.org/home/pressrelease?language=ge

Best Regards,
 Tom.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dinu Gherman" <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:25 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org?


> Hi,
> 
> in coping with the enormous lazyness I expect on the
> side of magazine journalists to tell the relevant from
> the trivial (of course there should not be any, but 
> well... editors are also humans) I wonder how to create 
> an URL to a localised version of the press-release on 
> europython.org? As I can see this is nicely hidden be-
> hind some frames that are beyond my research capacities 
> right now, if not even in general.
> 
> Thanks and regards,
> 
> Dinu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri Mar  1 21:06:22 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:06:22 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org?
In-Reply-To: <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de> <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <1015016781.3c7fed4e0293e@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom.deprez@village.uunet.be>:

> For German this would be :
> 
> http://www.europython.org/home/pressrelease?language=ge
> 
> Best Regards,
>  Tom.

Great! Would you mind using the ISO-whatever language codes, 
in this case "de"? ;-)

Dinu


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Mar  1 22:40:30 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:40:30 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org?
References: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de> <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <1015016781.3c7fed4e0293e@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <01d501c1c173$282f68c0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Oops, sorry!  My fault :-)
It's changed to de

Regards, Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dinu Gherman" <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on
europython.org?


> Tom Deprez <tom.deprez@village.uunet.be>:
>
> > For German this would be :
> >
> > http://www.europython.org/home/pressrelease?language=ge
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >  Tom.
>
> Great! Would you mind using the ISO-whatever language codes,
> in this case "de"? ;-)
>
> Dinu
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Mar  1 22:58:33 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 23:58:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] P3B
Message-ID: <02a701c1c175$db8fe6e0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

It looks like the people of P3B haven't mentioned it yet, but the statutes
are online : http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts
It is however, written in Frech.
If there is somebody skilled in law and french/english it would be great if
she/he would translate it to english

Regards, tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Mar  2 00:19:03 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 01:19:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
Message-ID: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I was working on  a pre-registration form
(http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some
good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following
questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?;
Which countries are represented?;
With the email address we can invite people to register when the real
registration form is ready.
But, in order to go further, I've some basic questions. I came to the
following points.

Owners of the server
---------------------

1) I didn't want to make too much hassle, so I thought it would be good to
keep that information into a gadfly database, the only problem is that I
don't have access to the var directory... :-). Can somebody who does create
an entry?
2) Can we also use a postgress or MySQL database for the other data? Can we
set this up ourselfs or do you prefer to do it yourself, ie creating the
databases/tables. (I don't mind the last point, less work for us :-).
3) Who do we contact if we have questions concerning this?

Web Designers
----------------

Perhaps you could also define some style on the look of the form pages?

Regards, Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Mar  2 01:01:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 02:01:22 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
Message-ID: <064701c1c186$31185060$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I've made a new wiki page: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/SiteToDo

All people interested in the europython website, view it and alter it.
Put your name behind it if you're interested in helping to create that part.

Regards, Tom.




From spirou@colnet.carolo.net  Sat Mar  2 14:13:47 2002
From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis)
Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:13:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] P3B
In-Reply-To: <02a701c1c175$db8fe6e0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <02a701c1c175$db8fe6e0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020302151347.Q21488@carolo.net>

Le Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:58:33PM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> It looks like the people of P3B haven't mentioned it yet, but
> the statutes are online : http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts
> It is however, written in French.
> If there is somebody skilled in law and french/english it would
> be great if she/he would translate it to english

Thanks for mentioning it, Tom.
I wrote it in the wiki and forgot to tell about on the list.
http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/LegalBody

Next week will be another tough one (not much availability), but you've
to know we're struggling to make EPC1 a success story. I'm reluctant to
post good news while I'm not quite sure of their issue, but :

- We should have a TV broadcast on Free-Software a month before the
  event, and of course, EPC will be announced.
  We also should have radio announcements.
  (I'm talking about our French speaking national TV-Radio RTBF
  http://www.rtbf.be - Local TV should follow.)
  
- I contacted local highschools to have their support and they were
  "not against".

- EPC folder has been recalled to our Mayor and forwarded to our
  Regional "Minister-President". I hope we'll get help from the Region
  too.

Other news will follow.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Mar  4 09:47:32 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:47:32 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] P3B
In-Reply-To: <20020302151347.Q21488@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203041047090.593-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Other news will follow.

As good as these ones ? :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o� est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)



From jacek@artymiak.com  Mon Mar  4 21:35:13 2002
From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:35:13 -0100
Subject: [EuroPython] PressReleasePolish
Message-ID: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com>

Hi,

I just wanted to let you know that the Polish Press Release for the conference can be found at http://www.devguide.net/conferences/europython-2002.htm

Best,

-- 
Jacek Artymiak


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon Mar  4 18:56:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 19:56:07 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] HELP
Message-ID: <00fc01c1c3b0$1ddf5300$908d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Can somebody please tell me whom I've to contact to set up a gadfly database
(ie create just a file at the server) and things concerning available
databases on the server.... it's kind of urgent, since I would like to move
on with those parts.

I'm trying to contact the people of ShareIt, concerning if it is possible to
have a 'entrance card' as a product... I've looked at their site, but they
always talke about shareware programs, with programs as in applications to
sell. So I'm not totally sure if we can use ShareIt for registration
payment. Anybody experience with ShareIt in this context?

Regards, tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Mar  4 21:16:05 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:16:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] HELP
References: <00fc01c1c3b0$1ddf5300$908d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3C83E415.8BC9A20@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> I'm trying to contact the people of ShareIt, concerning if it is possible to
> have a 'entrance card' as a product... I've looked at their site, but they
> always talke about shareware programs, with programs as in applications to
> sell. So I'm not totally sure if we can use ShareIt for registration
> payment. Anybody experience with ShareIt in this context?

They provide all the means for selling applications, but you don't
really have to use all the different options, e.g. you can set up 
a product and then email them a file with keys (one line per key) 
which they then email to the customer and your email address.

Later on, you can download the sales report and have the
name, address and key of all the persons who have bought the
preregistration tickets.

FYI, I use such a setup for support tickets and it works just 
fine.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From spirou@colnet.carolo.net  Tue Mar  5 00:44:03 2002
From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:44:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] PressReleasePolish
In-Reply-To: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com>
References: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com>
Message-ID: <20020305014403.G21488@carolo.net>

Le Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:35:13PM -0100, Jacek Artymiak pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> I just wanted to let you know that the Polish Press Release for
> the conference can be found at 
> http://www.devguide.net/conferences/europython-2002.htm

Thank you Jacek. 
(Wouldn't you put it in the wiki ?)

Does someone from the WebTeam take care of integrating Jacek's
translation ?

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Tue Mar  5 08:16:57 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:16:57 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] HELP
References: <00fc01c1c3b0$1ddf5300$908d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3C847EF9.C991A18E@onera.fr>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Can somebody please tell me whom I've to contact to set up a gadfly database
> (ie create just a file at the server) and things concerning available
> databases on the server.... it's kind of urgent, since I would like to move
> on with those parts.
> 
We're using Gadfly for years here. What' the problem ? Do you want some set up
example ? A DB schema ? Web interface through Python cgi ?

I've not a lot of time but just ask ;)

Marcvs [alias Code that runs or kilograms (or pounds) of emails]


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar  5 08:22:59 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:22:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] call for papers todo
In-Reply-To: <3C7DF2F6.1C63B7C5@lemburg.com>
References: <20020227225019.GD32295@vet.uu.nl> <3C7DF2F6.1C63B7C5@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020305082259.GA22483@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> > 
> > Hi there,
> > 
> > We need to do a bunch of things before we can put out a call for papers:
> 
> I'd add:
> 
>     * determine which tracks will present the papers (the Python track
>       probably...)

I just mean a 'call for talks', perhaps, not so much a call for papers. 
We need to work this out. But what I want to do is call for people who 
want to organize talks. Added a point on this to the wiki. 

> Can you put this in the wiki as well ? 

Done (finally): 

http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/CallForPapersTodo

Regards,

Martijn



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar  5 08:25:31 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:25:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] call for papers todo
In-Reply-To: <200202281012.g1SACxtB028270@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <20020227225019.GD32295@vet.uu.nl> <200202281012.g1SACxtB028270@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20020305082530.GB22483@vet.uu.nl>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> Does this mean the March 15 deadline for paper proposals has slipped?
> I want to present a paper, but this month is hell for me.  I don't want
> to make the time for this, bump other things, and then find out I didn't
> need to start writing it until April.

I wasn't aware that we had a firm deadline for this yet. I think the march
20 deadline (set in Nicholas' proposal) is only a proposal.

Anyway, I think we should slip that deadline to at least some point in
april. The call hasn't even gotten out yet!

Regards,

Martijn
 


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar  5 08:27:08 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:27:08 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Track Length (paper/tutorial submission form)
In-Reply-To: <3C7E0DD9.B96EF359@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0202251357000.7988-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3C7A3974.EB7ADA7D@lemburg.com> <3C7CC5FC.2773FEE7@lemburg.com> <20020227224418.GC32295@vet.uu.nl> <20020228041956.F21488@carolo.net> <3C7DF226.F5BC6A2E@lemburg.com> <200202281042.g1SAgftB028476@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3C7E0DD9.B96EF359@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020305082708.GC22483@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Laura Creighton wrote:
> > 
> > > Denis Fr?re wrote:
> > > > Good question.
> > > > Will we want sandwiches, buffet, warm restaurant-like meal ?
> > 
> > Warm restaurant-like meals for 400 people with varying dietary
> > restrictions is a nightmare. 
> 
> I was thinking of a buffet which gets organized by some local
> (not too expensive) restaurant -- I don't think anyone in the 
> team is willing to do sandwiches for 400+ people ;-)
> 
> The local team we'll just have to find a restaurant, ask them 
> about the costs per person and add this on top of the conference
> price.

Can someone create a food and catering page in the wiki if there isn't
one already?

Regards,

Martijn



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar  5 08:29:28 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:29:28 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget
In-Reply-To: <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com>
References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020305082928.GD22483@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > 1. When will be the deadline for bringing in papers
> 
> I still believe that for the first conference we should not
> have refereed papers. It just takes too much effort to get this
> right... maybe just me, though. 

> Anyway, given that you typically have two rounds before final 
> acceptance, the submission deadline should probably be around 
> April 1st, the second around 1st of May.

Then we should do a call for 'talks', and not do refereed papers. This
is fine with me, and we can rename the 'call for papers' to something
like 'call for speakers' or whatever that's commonly called. 

> > 2. How much will the confernce cost per person
> 
> Hard to tell. 
> 
> How far has the budget team reached consensus on this ? 
> If not, then please make this top priority !

Preparing a budget is indeed the top priority in my mind.

> I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for
> students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate,
> this is just pie-in-the-sky talk.

Yes, agreed, we need a budget; perhaps we can halve this or have to
double it, and we just have no idea right now.

Regards,

Martijn
 


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar  5 08:37:35 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:37:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
In-Reply-To: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I was working on  a pre-registration form
> (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some
> good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following
> questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?;
> Which countries are represented?;
> With the email address we can invite people to register when the real
> registration form is ready.

Perhaps to be sure add a checkbox saying 'don't set me any email ever'
with some description about the kind of email we would send if that was
left unchecked.

The form looks good. We may want to get somekind of list of countries
instead of having it free form, so we can later easily query for country
information.

The 'amount' thing is a bit tricky. While it is convenient to register
groups..hm.. Oh, well, perhaps leaving it in is easiest overall.
Someone can fill in 1000 but we can filter for that in the query.

> But, in order to go further, I've some basic questions. I came to the
> following points.
> 
> Owners of the server
> ---------------------

[who to contact]

In general, if we want something with amaze, contact ivo@amaze.nl directly
by email (don't cc to the list). If he doesn't reply, just contact me and
I'll contact him.

It looks like we can add MySQL and Postgres connections, now only a database
we can connect to and we're set. Perhaps I'm behind and Ivo already responded.

Regards,

Martijn



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Mar  5 09:45:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:45:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > I was working on  a pre-registration form
> > (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some
> > good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following
> > questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?;
> > Which countries are represented?;
> > With the email address we can invite people to register when the real
> > registration form is ready.

Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
to set up the web-page.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Mar  5 10:38:39 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:38:39 +0100
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <3C84A02F.AD43EC6E@lemburg.com>

Andrew Smart wrote:
> 
> > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg
> 
> > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> > to set up the web-page.
> 
> Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the
> possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a
> news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of
> people which may or may not come.

Ah, ok. Good idea !
 
> Needed for budget and organisation.
> 
> Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted
> fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all.

True.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Tue Mar  5 10:11:26 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:11:26 +0100
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Budget
In-Reply-To: <20020305082928.GD22483@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPGEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>


> Auftrag von Martijn Faassen
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Marz 2002 09:29
> An: M.-A. Lemburg
> Cc: Tom Deprez; europython@python.org
> Betreff: Re: [EuroPython] Budget
>
>
> > How far has the budget team reached consensus on this ?
> > If not, then please make this top priority !
>
> Preparing a budget is indeed the top priority in my mind.

I've been down under with work a bit, sorry for that.

To have an idea how much to take we need to have some data about costs.
Especially what CEME will take for the rooms, how much we should plan for
food and hard/software equipment.

Then we have an idea about costs, and then we have an idea about how much to
take.

> > I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for
> > students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate,
> > this is just pie-in-the-sky talk.

Budget estimates are always "pie-in-the-sky's" :-)

But you can make an "sound's good" estimate, though.

I can do that, but I need some basic data, as described above.

Andrew



From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Tue Mar  5 10:11:24 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:11:24 +0100
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
In-Reply-To: <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

> Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg

> Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> to set up the web-page.

Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the
possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a
news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of
people which may or may not come.

Needed for budget and organisation.

Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted
fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all.


Andrew



From spirou@colnet.carolo.net  Tue Mar  5 11:57:18 2002
From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:57:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget
In-Reply-To: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPGEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
References: <20020305082928.GD22483@vet.uu.nl> <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPGEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <20020305125718.L21488@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:11:26AM +0100, Andrew Smart pianota:
> 
> To have an idea how much to take we need to have some data about costs.
> Especially what CEME will take for the rooms, how much we should plan for
> food and hard/software equipment.

I wish I could answer.
Please, write the budget points in the wiki, I'll try to fill the
white spaces.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar  5 19:42:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:42:49 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] HELP
References: <00fc01c1c3b0$1ddf5300$908d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C847EF9.C991A18E@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <008001c1c47e$a4f8b290$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>

I just want to be able to use a gadfly database on the europython.org site.
In order for that a txt file has to be created in the var/gadfly
subdirectory of the server (correct me if I'm wrong), so this file can hold
the gadfly database.
Since I'm not able to access the server directly (which I don't need
anyway), I'm not able to create that file, so I'm not able to use gadfly as
a database on EuroPython to collect possible visitors.

The email below is a question directed to owners of the server on which
europython.org resides, so that they can create a txt file on the var/gadfly
directory. If this is done, I can move on. I could use the 'demo instance',
but I would rather like to use a seperate file.
eg EuroPython

Thanks in advance!

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Poinot" <Marc.Poinot@onera.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] HELP


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Can somebody please tell me whom I've to contact to set up a gadfly
database
> > (ie create just a file at the server) and things concerning available
> > databases on the server.... it's kind of urgent, since I would like to
move
> > on with those parts.
> >
> We're using Gadfly for years here. What' the problem ? Do you want some
set up
> example ? A DB schema ? Web interface through Python cgi ?
>
> I've not a lot of time but just ask ;)
>
> Marcvs [alias Code that runs or kilograms (or pounds) of emails]
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar  5 19:52:32 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:52:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>

>
> > Tom Deprez wrote:
> > > I was working on  a pre-registration form
> > > (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us
some
> > > good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer
following
> > > questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will
attend?;
> > > Which countries are represented?;
> > > With the email address we can invite people to register when the real
> > > registration form is ready.
>
> Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> to set up the web-page.
>
no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'.
We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come....
So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come
or not. (see previous mails)

Regards, tom.






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar  5 19:53:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 20:53:34 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <00c801c1c47f$8ab3bb90$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>

> > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg
>
> > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> > to set up the web-page.
>
> Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the
> possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a
> news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of
> people which may or may not come.
>
> Needed for budget and organisation.
>
> Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a
discounted
> fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all.
>

Correct, see one of my previous mails when I mention about this form.

> Andrew
>




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Mar  5 20:30:59 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:30:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3C852B03.1BB188DE@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> > to set up the web-page.
> >
> no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'.
> We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come....
> So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come
> or not. (see previous mails)

Hmm, to avoid confusion among casual visitors, I'd rename the 
form to something different. What we really want to is to get
a feeling for the number of possible attendees, so why
not call it "poll" or something similar ?!

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar  5 21:04:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:04:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> <3C852B03.1BB188DE@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <012f01c1c489$47dc2d20$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>

Yes,....  Poll would be better...
Thanks!
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Pre-registration


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >
> > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> > > to set up the web-page.
> > >
> > no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'.
> > We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come....
> > So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they
come
> > or not. (see previous mails)
>
> Hmm, to avoid confusion among casual visitors, I'd rename the
> form to something different. What we really want to is to get
> a feeling for the number of possible attendees, so why
> not call it "poll" or something similar ?!
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org  Tue Mar  5 21:07:50 2002
From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:07:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
In-Reply-To: <012f01c1c489$47dc2d20$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C852B03.1BB188DE@lemburg.com> <012f01c1c489$47dc2d20$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <E16iMA8-0008D7-00@bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net>

Le Mardi 5 Mars 2002 22:04, Tom Deprez a =E9crit :
> Yes,....  Poll would be better...

Good idea.

(Hello, I am back after a too long time away from the list. I'll try to c=
atch=20
up)

On top of the poll, I propose to make some assumptions and go on for the=20
budget on that basis, assuming a need for every participant, some money e=
ach=20
would/could bring and put together some figures.

I'll try to do that for newt monday.

Best regards,

Nicolas

--=20
Nicolas Pettiaux
Avenue du P=E9rou 29
B-1000 Brussels


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed Mar  6 19:01:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 20:01:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
Message-ID: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Here the reply of ShareIt. I'm not sure if this is the best option for our
pre-registration.
I don't know if it is interesting for the short period of our 'product' ie
the pre-registration.

Comments please, thanks!

Tom.


----- Original Message -----
From: "shareit sales" <sales@shareit.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: becomming a member of share-it


> Dear Mr. Deprez,
>
> Thank you for your for your interest in ShareIt!. We welcome your
questions
> and are interested in learning more about your company, and how we may be
> able to help you with the sale of your product.
>
> Initially we must mention that ShareIt! is, by definition, a service
> designed predominantly for shareware authors to distribute and sell their
> software electronically over the Internet. We have, however, provided
> service for a few non-software merchants in the past with varying degrees
> of success.
>
> In order to minimize any potential problems that both ShareIt! and the
> non-software merchants have experienced in the past, we would like to
> communicate some of the limitations and conditions of using our service
for
> products other than software.
>
> Because the product that you would like to list is not electronic
software,
> we cannot make any adaptations to our electronic notification system to
> specify your product as a non-software product.
>
> This is significant because the text message to your customers notifying
> them of their purchase instructs them specifically toward the registration
> of software. We expect this could lead to confusion for your customers.
>
> If you explain on your web site, very precisely, that you are using
> ShareIt! - A shareware registration service, to accept orders for your
> company their confusion should be minimized.
> Additionally, we ask that you also make special note on your web site that
> ShareIt! will bill their credit card through our European office. Their
> credit card statement will display the billing item as "www.shareit.com
> Koln DE."
>
> Again, this measure helps to reduce confusion for your customers, while
> also reducing your risk of chargebacks from customers that do not
> understand a billing from a service primarily devoted to electronic
shareware.
> ShareIt! has a variety of delivery options in practice for our software
> developers. After a payment has been processed, we will deliver one of the
> following message types to your customer, by email, to complete your
> customer's order in our system.
>
> - A license key from a generator or key list.
> - The full version of software as a temporary download link.
> - An attachment to an email message of 700 kB or less.
> - The full version of a software as a temporary download link as well as a
>    license key from a generator or key list.
> - A simple notification message that will notify the customer to expect
> delivery
>    of their product either
> - within 48 hours, for electronic deliveries,
> - within 2 weeks when the product is delivered by postal mail.
>
> Additionally, a simple notification email message is also sent to you to
> notify you that an order has been placed for your customer, and that we
> have delivered the information you have instructed us to, or to notify you
> to deliver the product yourself if you choose to deliver your own products
> via postal mail or electronically.
>
> If you find these conditions agreeable, and can choose one of our delivery
> options to help you with the sale of your product, we would welcome your
> response.
>
> Finally, before we can reach a decision to accept your non-software
> product, we would like to ask for some additional information from you.
> Could you please provide us with your current monthly sales level and a
> projection of future sales?
>
> Thank you for your cooperation. We look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Nina Breuer
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> ShareIt! - your global partner for selling shareware
> http://www.shareit.com
> ShareIt! - a service of element 5
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
>
>
> At 12:17 AM 3/2/02 +0100, you wrote:
> >Dear,
> >
> >We would like to use your product, but we don't know if the service we
like
> >to offer to our web-visitors is available through ShareIt, since we
aren't
> >selling shareware programs.
> >We're organizing a congress (www.europython.org) and would like to offer
> >people the change to order online tickets for the congress.
> >Since this isn't a type of shareware programs, we wonder if the service
(ie
> >registration and buying tickets to our website visitors) is possible with
> >ShareIt.
> >If so, then what are the costs behind all this?
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >Tom Deprez
>




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Mar  6 19:29:10 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:29:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Here the reply of ShareIt. I'm not sure if this is the best option for our
> pre-registration.
> I don't know if it is interesting for the short period of our 'product' ie
> the pre-registration.
> 
> Comments please, thanks!

ShareIT is by far the best "value for the money" option there is.
Also, you can adapt the cart to your needs as necessary; even 
the emails sent out to the customers.

As long as you describe the whole signup process on the web-site
I don't see any problem with it. Customers (attendees in this case)
get a unique key id which you provide to ShareIT and they can then
use this ID at the registration booth at the conference.

Alternatively, you could setup a PDF generation tool on the
web-site which allows creating entry tickets using these
key ids. Too much trouble trouble though, if you ask me.
Attendees should simply print out the email and bring it
to the conference as entry ticket.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr  Wed Mar  6 20:10:55 2002
From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn)
Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:10:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir>

> As long as you describe the whole signup process on the web-site
> I don't see any problem with it. Customers (attendees in this case)
> get a unique key id which you provide to ShareIT and they can then
> use this ID at the registration booth at the conference.

I agree

What about PayPal ?





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed Mar  6 21:06:40 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:06:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir>
Message-ID: <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com>

Olivier Deckmyn wrote:
> 
> > As long as you describe the whole signup process on the web-site
> > I don't see any problem with it. Customers (attendees in this case)
> > get a unique key id which you provide to ShareIT and they can then
> > use this ID at the registration booth at the conference.
> 
> I agree
> 
> What about PayPal ?

That's an option for US attendees -- it's too expensive for EU
residents. Still, we could offer PayPal as second option; setup
is just as easy.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Thu Mar  7 08:38:42 2002
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:38:42 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <005d01c1c5b3$7cfce190$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>

From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>

> Olivier Deckmyn wrote:
> > What about PayPal ?
> 
> That's an option for US attendees -- it's too expensive for EU
> residents. Still, we could offer PayPal as second option; setup
> is just as easy.
> 
hm... what about Kagi? 

http://ww.kagi.com/

are they too expensive?

/dario




From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr  Thu Mar  7 08:57:05 2002
From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:57:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com> <005d01c1c5b3$7cfce190$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <009701c1c5b6$0e5ead10$6300010a@kashmir>

> hm... what about Kagi? 
> 
> http://ww.kagi.com/

Must be http://www.kagi.com/ !? ;-)

> 
> are they too expensive?
> 
> /dario
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Mar  7 11:04:18 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:04:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it
References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com> <005d01c1c5b3$7cfce190$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <3C874932.4750EC0B@lemburg.com>

Dario Lopez-K=E4sten wrote:
>=20
> From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
>=20
> > Olivier Deckmyn wrote:
> > > What about PayPal ?
> >
> > That's an option for US attendees -- it's too expensive for EU
> > residents. Still, we could offer PayPal as second option; setup
> > is just as easy.
> >
> hm... what about Kagi?
>=20
> http://www.kagi.com/
>=20
> are they too expensive?

Yes ! Just compare their fees to ShareIT or even PayPal.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From semiller@pacbell.net  Fri Mar  8 00:41:15 2002
From: semiller@pacbell.net (semiller@pacbell.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:41:15 -0800
Subject: [EuroPython] How to Kill Abuse and Violence
Message-ID: <E16j8I5-00009m-00@mail.python.org>

http://howtokillviolence.com 


From jacek@artymiak.com  Fri Mar  8 18:21:01 2002
From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:21:01 -0100
Subject: [EuroPython] PressReleasePolish
In-Reply-To: <20020305014403.G21488@carolo.net>; from spirou@colnet.carolo.net on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:44:03AM +0100
References: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com> <20020305014403.G21488@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <20020308172101.G20591@skuba.h--y.com>

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:44:03AM +0100, Denis wrote:
> Thank you Jacek. 
> (Wouldn't you put it in the wiki ?)

Done.

-- 
Jacek Artymiak
writer, author, developer, consultant --------------------------- 
e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com            ---------------------------
   www: http://www.artymiak.com       ---------------------------


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri Mar  8 16:22:27 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:22:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
In-Reply-To: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
References: <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEMPDAAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <20020308162227.GA6619@vet.uu.nl>

Andrew Smart wrote:
> 
> > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg
> 
> > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> > to set up the web-page.
> 
> Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the
> possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a
> news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of
> people which may or may not come.
> 
> Needed for budget and organisation.

Yes, that is what we need. Let's not call that 'pre-registration' if that
gives rise to confusion. 

> Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted
> fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all.

Agreed.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri Mar  8 16:27:48 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:27:48 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration
In-Reply-To: <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020308162748.GB6619@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case,
> > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools
> > to set up the web-page.
> >
> no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'.
> We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come....
> So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come
> or not. (see previous mails)

If nobody can come up with a better description, say something like
'Register Interest' or 'Intent to Come' form, with some description on
what is it for. With also a checkbox for those who do want to register
interest but absolutely want no mail from us whatsoever.

Regards,

Martijn



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun Mar 10 01:11:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:11:15 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Message-ID: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok,

Until the database installation is finished, we can't start with the poll
for 'how many people intend to come'.
But, we can vote for the logo and layout.
Until now we've the following possebilities :
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/DesignTeam
I've contacted dagmar.kolb@just-ad.de as well to put his logo's somewhere
online, but it looks like until now, he didn't find the time to do it. (I've
contacted him with the message that voting has started)
Do other people have his logo's in their mailbox? If so, please add
them to the wiki and give them a voting character

I think we can't wait further for other proposals. However, if someone is
still able to provide a layout/logo, hurry and put your proposal on the
above wiki, along with a voting character
.
Let us keep the voting simple (since we don't have any other tools available
and lets move this thing on).
If you go to the above link, you 'll get links to the proposed logo's and
layouts. I gave each a letter. Enter in the below questions the proposal of
the logo and layout you like the most (ie just give the character)

Please reply to this message:

Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
-------------------------------------------------------

Your votes:

Logo :
Layout :


Regards, Tom.







From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org  Sun Mar 10 17:21:53 2002
From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:21:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <E16k719-0007tT-00@bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net>

Le Dimanche 10 Mars 2002 02:11, Tom Deprez a =E9crit :

> Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Your votes:
>
> Logo : B
> Layout : B

as in  http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02

Thank you for your effort (especially Tom and the other designers)

Nicolas Pettiaux
--=20
Nicolas Pettiaux
Avenue du P=E9rou 29
B-1000 Brussels


From denis@aragne.com  Sun Mar 10 21:02:22 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:02:22 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020310220222.E6481@carolo.net>

Le Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 02:11:15AM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Ok,
> 
> Until the database installation is finished, we can't start with the
> poll for 'how many people intend to come'.

Ivo, please ...

> But, we can vote for the logo and layout.
> [...]
> Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Your votes:
 
Logo : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/logo_epc2002_mini.gif
Layout : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02

(Look out : in Linux/Netscape 4.77 the menu on the left is fine,
but in Linux/Mozilla 0.9.7 it's spanned on the whole page length)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Mon Mar 11 08:51:12 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:51:12 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
Message-ID: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr>

I wonder if it's possible to have a kind of "formal" agreement letter
for Europython speakers. I've contacted Paul Dubois for the scientific
topic, and he requires a "formal"  letter in order to make some
official papers for his labo. He has to have this the sooner the better...

Did anyone at P3B could sign such a letter ?

Marcvs [alias I can write it and fax it to P3B if you don't already
        have that kind of letter]


From denis@aragne.com  Mon Mar 11 09:27:04 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
In-Reply-To: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr>
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <20020311102704.A21000@carolo.net>

Le Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:51:12AM +0100, Marc Poinot pianota:
> 
> I wonder if it's possible to have a kind of "formal" agreement letter
> [...] 
> Did anyone at P3B could sign such a letter ?
> 
> [alias I can write it and fax it to P3B if you don't already
>         have that kind of letter]

Good idea : write it and send it by mail (I don't like fax) so we're
sure the letter contains just what you need.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Mar 11 09:28:19 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:28:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com>

Marc Poinot wrote:
> 
> I wonder if it's possible to have a kind of "formal" agreement letter
> for Europython speakers. I've contacted Paul Dubois for the scientific
> topic, and he requires a "formal"  letter in order to make some
> official papers for his labo. He has to have this the sooner the better...
> 
> Did anyone at P3B could sign such a letter ?

What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract
between P3B and the speaker ?

If so, then Tim and I will need such letters too for the business
track. (Nobody has yet asked for these yet, though)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From hinsen@cnrs-orleans.fr  Mon Mar 11 09:37:01 2002
From: hinsen@cnrs-orleans.fr (Konrad Hinsen)
Date: 11 Mar 2002 10:37:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
In-Reply-To: <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com>
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <m3lmczcuo2.fsf@chinon.cnrs-orleans.fr>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> writes:

> What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract
> between P3B and the speaker ?

I don't know in Paul's case, but we have similar requirements here in
my lab, it's probably part of government-lab bureaucracy. Whenever I
go to a conference in another country, I need to provide evidence that
there is actually a conference and that I am involved with it. It is
not a contract of any legal value, merely a proof that I am not going
on vacation.

Konrad.
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Centre de Biophysique Moleculaire (CNRS) | Tel.: +33-2.38.25.56.24
Rue Charles Sadron                       | Fax:  +33-2.38.63.15.17
45071 Orleans Cedex 2                    | Deutsch/Esperanto/English/
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From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Mon Mar 11 09:49:32 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:49:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3C8C7DAC.780C74C8@onera.fr>

> What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract
> between P3B and the speaker ?

Well, you can see it as a kind of contract.
I don't think you'll need this for every speaker, unless you're inviting
them. In that case, they certainly would like to have a letter that
confirm the fees will be re-imbursed by the conference organization.
In the case you're flying for your company, you also have to justify
your spent time.

About Paul Dubois, it's a bit different, because his own lab is paying the
flight to Lyon (Konrad have a conference with him).
Like us, he's working for govt agencies (and/or research centers). Some of
us may have to have a formal agreement before any talk, visit or
meeting outside of our country. P.Dubois is working for US labs,
(LNLL is a big lab in US), and he requires something that says
that he's going to speak in Europe, for a Python-related conference.

I'll send a letter example by email to Denis Frere (P3B).
Denis, I think we'll have to check with Paul if all required informations are ok.

Marcvs [alias But west coast has almost a whole day of ack delay]


From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Mon Mar 11 09:52:18 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:52:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> <m3lmczcuo2.fsf@chinon.cnrs-orleans.fr>
Message-ID: <3C8C7E52.AE9739E7@onera.fr>

Konrad Hinsen wrote:
> 
> It is
> not a contract of any legal value, merely a proof that I am not going
> on vacation.
> 
And as a matter of fact, going to Monterey, Boston or Kohln is not
a vacation. Yes, we're working hard, no beer, no museums, no fun.

Marcvs [alias By the way, any chance to have no fun in Charleroi ?]


From denis@aragne.com  Mon Mar 11 11:41:34 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:41:34 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Official Invitation [Was: Scientific topic]
In-Reply-To: <3C8C7E52.AE9739E7@onera.fr>
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> <m3lmczcuo2.fsf@chinon.cnrs-orleans.fr> <3C8C7E52.AE9739E7@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <20020311124134.A21968@carolo.net>

Le Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:52:18AM +0100, Marc Poinot pianota:
> Konrad Hinsen wrote:
> >=20
> > It is
> > not a contract of any legal value, merely a proof that I am not going
> > on vacation.

I've also been asked to send an official invitation to the Ministry of
Labour of Nigeria ! (with copy to our embassy)
They want to send 2 delegates.

Perhaps the attending fee should be fixed if this letter is supposed to
be used as an administrative "evidence".

> Marcvs [alias By the way, any chance to have no fun in Charleroi ?]

We've at least good beer and for the food, we're more influenced by the
"cuisine fran=E7aise" than by the dutch one. Now, the point is : what do
you need to have fun ? Is Python not enough ? ;-)

Denis

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Mar 11 12:22:24 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic
References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> <3C8C7DAC.780C74C8@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <3C8CA180.EE73DE5F@lemburg.com>

Marc Poinot wrote:
> 
> > What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract
> > between P3B and the speaker ?
> 
> Well, you can see it as a kind of contract.
> I don't think you'll need this for every speaker, unless you're inviting
> them. In that case, they certainly would like to have a letter that
> confirm the fees will be re-imbursed by the conference organization.
> In the case you're flying for your company, you also have to justify
> your spent time.
> 
> About Paul Dubois, it's a bit different, because his own lab is paying the
> flight to Lyon (Konrad have a conference with him).
> Like us, he's working for govt agencies (and/or research centers). Some of
> us may have to have a formal agreement before any talk, visit or
> meeting outside of our country. P.Dubois is working for US labs,
> (LNLL is a big lab in US), and he requires something that says
> that he's going to speak in Europe, for a Python-related conference.

So it's more like a proof of attendance (and proof that speakers
will not sit in the Chareleroi pubs *all* day long ;-).

That's perfect; otherwise I still wouldn't know who is running the 
conference and whether I can send out "official" documents or not ;-)
 
> I'll send a letter example by email to Denis Frere (P3B).

Please also upload a copy as PDF somewhere so that we can use it as
basis for all speakers.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Mar 11 12:28:26 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:28:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> <20020310220222.E6481@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3C8CA2EA.56ACD927@lemburg.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
>=20
> > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Your votes:
>=20
> Logo : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/logo_epc2002_mini.gif
> Layout : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02

+1

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From gotcha@swing.be  Mon Mar 11 13:09:28 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:09:28 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EuroPython digest, Vol 1 #87 - 1 msg
In-Reply-To: <E16k6hF-0005Vi-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311140843.00a79478@pop.swing.be>

>
>Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
>-------------------------------------------------------
>
>Your votes:
>
>Logo :

B

>Layout :

C


>Regards, Tom.

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
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1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Mar 11 13:22:39 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:22:39 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203111421220.9787-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Your votes:
> 
> Logo : 

B

> Layout :

B or C (no A please !)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o� est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)



From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Mon Mar 11 14:27:21 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:27:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois)
Message-ID: <3C8CBEC9.4A827EC6@onera.fr>

Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois.
Please correct my english...
Important points are, names and responsabilities, no ambiguity.
This is the kind of letters we're sending here.

There are no legal points here about his talk copyright, can P3B
put it on web site or not, can speaker put on his own site or not...
I guess this is not relevant for an open source conference.

This is raw ascii text, I can format it (Marc-Andre asked for PDF),
but I've got nothing else but Word here... let me know.

We have to have his ack before sending an official signed letter,
I didn't sent it to him yet. Denis, let me know if I send it or if
you do.

Marcvs [alias Lines marked with # could be added/removed depending 
        on budget... ]

------------
Denis Frere                 
P3B (http://www.p3b.org)
9, rue de Colnet
6040 Charleroi
Belgium

Brussels, March 11th 2002.

To:
Mr Paul F. Dubois
<exact address of labs here>

Dear Mr Paul Dubois,

on behalf of the P3B association, organizer of the first EuroPython conference,
I confirm you are invited for a talk about your experience of the use of the 
Python langage in the scientific community. 

This conference will take place in Charleroi, Belgium, from 26th to 28th 
of June. You will find all informations about the conference on its web site,
at http://www.europython.org, but you certainly can contact us at any
time if you have a question about your venue to this conference.

The exact schedule of your talk is not yet decided, but it should take
place in the "Scientific Python" topic, as an session opening talk.

#The fees related to your come, including the return flight, hotel, conference
#registration, and meals during the conference days, will be re-imbursed by 
#P3B up to an amount of 1500 euros. You would send related receipts to P3B.

We wish to thank you for accepting to participate to this first Europython 
conference,

Sincerely,

            Denis Frere


-------------


From nicoe@wanadoo.be  Mon Mar 11 21:04:12 2002
From: nicoe@wanadoo.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_=C9vrard?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:04:12 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is the CEME easyly reachable by train ??
Message-ID: <20020311210411.GA17027@wanadoo.be>

Hello everyone,

I'm planning to go to the europython meeting (and I'm proud this will
take place in my little country) but since I must come from Liege by
train I was wandering if the CEME is easily reachable by train ??

I'm also ready to give the organisator some help (in the limits of my
timing).

--=20
(=B0>  Evrard Nicolas
/ )  Li=E8ge - Belgium
^^  =20


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From tim@2wave.net  Tue Mar 12 08:17:48 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 08:17:48 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Charleroi pubs?
In-Reply-To: <E16kTB7-0005Kc-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020312081748.91860.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>

> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:24 +0100
> From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
> Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH
> To: Marc Poinot <Marc.Poinot@onera.fr>
> CC: "europython@python.org" <europython@python.org>,
> denis@aragne.com
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Scientific topic

> So it's more like a proof of attendance (and proof
> that speakers will not sit in the Chareleroi pubs
>*all* day long
> ;-).

I should have thought that a pub would be a most
appropriate location for the Python and Business
presentation ... We could maybe even move around
between pubs to keep participants' interest levels up
.... and at least then you could guarantee the
speakers would turn up!

Tim

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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar 12 12:19:37 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:19:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020312121937.GA19648@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Until the database installation is finished, we can't start with the poll
> for 'how many people intend to come'.
> But, we can vote for the logo and layout.
> Until now we've the following possebilities :
> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/DesignTeam
> I've contacted dagmar.kolb@just-ad.de as well to put his logo's somewhere
> online, but it looks like until now, he didn't find the time to do it. (I've
> contacted him with the message that voting has started)

She, not he, isn't it?

> Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Your votes:
> 
> Logo :

I like logo B.

> Layout :

I like layout A or B, though I can't see much difference between them. 
However, I don't like the sidebar ('home' and such), at least in my
browser (mozilla based) 'home/conference/etc' are very very far apart,
and you have to scroll down quite a bit to actually see it's a link. 
Those need to be on top. Layout C and D are better in that respect.

Regards,

Martijn



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar 12 12:22:36 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:22:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is the CEME easyly reachable by train ??
In-Reply-To: <20020311210411.GA17027@wanadoo.be>
References: <20020311210411.GA17027@wanadoo.be>
Message-ID: <20020312122236.GB19648@vet.uu.nl>

Nicolas ?vrard wrote:
> I'm planning to go to the europython meeting (and I'm proud this will
> take place in my little country) but since I must come from Liege by
> train I was wandering if the CEME is easily reachable by train ??
> 
> I'm also ready to give the organisator some help (in the limits of my
> timing).

Perhaps once we find out the whole train issue (Charleroi is easily
reachable by train, but don't know about CEME itself), you can write something
up on it, and get it put on the website so others can also find out?

Thanks for your help!

Martijn



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar 12 12:34:02 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:34:02 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] call for participation: moving ahead
Message-ID: <20020312123401.GA19728@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Something else we should be moving ahead with quickly is the call
for participation:

  * Is there a consensus about presentation length,
    tutorial length, and so on? 

  * What should be the deadline? I imagine sometime in mid-april,
    giving people approximately a month to submit their proposals.
 
  * we won't be requiring a paper, but what will we require? What if
    some people do want to write a paper? We need to figure out something
    to do with them in that case. :)

Please discuss,

Martijn



From oli@aragne.com  Tue Mar 12 15:51:14 2002
From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:51:14 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <20020312121937.GA19648@vet.uu.nl>; from faassen@vet.uu.nl on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:19:37PM +0100
References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> <20020312121937.GA19648@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020312165114.A2127@debian>

On mar, 12 mar 2002, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
> I like layout A or B, though I can't see much difference between them. 
> However, I don't like the sidebar ('home' and such), at least in my
> browser (mozilla based) 'home/conference/etc' are very very far apart,
> and you have to scroll down quite a bit to actually see it's a link. 
> Those need to be on top. Layout C and D are better in that respect.

I changed the side bar to be like you want. I think it was not intended to
be like that in fact. I can undo the change if it poses some problems in
the votes.

My votes:
Logo B
Layout B (the new one)

-- 
Olivier Laurent.
P3B � �: Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B � : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo 爃ttp://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar 12 19:04:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 20:04:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] payment through internet
Message-ID: <014f01c1c9f9$c1f58fa0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok,

I received an answer form ShareIt and from Kagi.

Both allow to set up a service as we want to do. Below is more information
concerning ShareIt.

Regards, Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "shareit sales" <sales@shareit.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <signUp@shareit.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: becomming a member of share-it


Dear Tom,

Thank you for explaining me your service. I think it is possible for you to
use ShareIt! for your Service. The fees still apply as normal.

Set up, ShareIt                         free
Commission for each order                       US$2.95 + 4% per order,
                                                 starting with the 1000th
order of each
                                                 month: US$1.95 + 4%
Distributing your program via ShareIt!          free

Fees for issuing monthly payments to you:

Transfer to your account (bank transfer)        US $2
Check within the US                             free
Check outside the US                            US $5

Please note that your local bank or an intermediary bank (e.g. our
correspondence bank Chase in New York) might charge additional fees for
wire transfers or writing out checks that are beyond our control. Please
ask your bank about these charges, since they vary from bank to bank.

In Order to finalize your account setup, please go to
www.shareit.com/signup.html and provide us with some information we need
for your account setup, it only takes a few minutes. Your account will be
set up within 48 hours and then your磖e ready to sell.

You can also find further useful information at
www.shareit.com/information_authors.html . Please let me know if you have
any other questions or need further information.

Kind regards,

Nina Breuer
______________________________________________________________________

ShareIt! - your global partner for selling shareware
http://www.shareit.com
ShareIt! - a service of element 5
______________________________________________________________________



At 08:05 PM 3/7/02 +0100, you wrote:
>Dear Nina,
>
>Thank you for answering my mail. Here is more background on why we would
>like to use ShareIt.
>
>We're setting up a congress concerning Python (www.python.org) and Zope
>(www.zope.org) in Europe. It will be the first Python congress in Europe
>(www.europython.org).
>This congress will be at the end of June. We would like the visitors of our
>upcomming site to be able to preregister for the congress.
>So, they must be able to give their cridentials and pay the entrance fee.
In
>return they should get something (an eg unique ID), which they can bring
>along to the congress and thus get entrance to the congress.
>
>This means that we'll only use for a certain (small period) of the services
>of ShareIt. ie from now till the start of the congress. During that time,
>people will be able to preregister for the congress.
>
>I hope I gave you the information you needed. Can we use the services of
>ShareIt for this purpose? Do the costs still apply as normal?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Tom Deprez
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "shareit sales" <sales@shareit.com>
>To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:25 PM
>Subject: Re: becomming a member of share-it
>
>
> > Dear Mr. Deprez,
> >
> > Thank you for your for your interest in ShareIt!. We welcome your
>questions
> > and are interested in learning more about your company, and how we may
be
> > able to help you with the sale of your product.
> >
> > Initially we must mention that ShareIt! is, by definition, a service
> > designed predominantly for shareware authors to distribute and sell
their
> > software electronically over the Internet. We have, however, provided
> > service for a few non-software merchants in the past with varying
degrees
> > of success.
> >
> > In order to minimize any potential problems that both ShareIt! and the
> > non-software merchants have experienced in the past, we would like to
> > communicate some of the limitations and conditions of using our service
>for
> > products other than software.
> >
> > Because the product that you would like to list is not electronic
>software,
> > we cannot make any adaptations to our electronic notification system to
> > specify your product as a non-software product.
> >
> > This is significant because the text message to your customers notifying
> > them of their purchase instructs them specifically toward the
registration
> > of software. We expect this could lead to confusion for your customers.
> >
> > If you explain on your web site, very precisely, that you are using
> > ShareIt! - A shareware registration service, to accept orders for your
> > company their confusion should be minimized.
> > Additionally, we ask that you also make special note on your web site
that
> > ShareIt! will bill their credit card through our European office. Their
> > credit card statement will display the billing item as "www.shareit.com
> > Koln DE."
> >
> > Again, this measure helps to reduce confusion for your customers, while
> > also reducing your risk of chargebacks from customers that do not
> > understand a billing from a service primarily devoted to electronic
>shareware.
> > ShareIt! has a variety of delivery options in practice for our software
> > developers. After a payment has been processed, we will deliver one of
the
> > following message types to your customer, by email, to complete your
> > customer's order in our system.
> >
> > - A license key from a generator or key list.
> > - The full version of software as a temporary download link.
> > - An attachment to an email message of 700 kB or less.
> > - The full version of a software as a temporary download link as well as
a
> >    license key from a generator or key list.
> > - A simple notification message that will notify the customer to expect
> > delivery
> >    of their product either
> > - within 48 hours, for electronic deliveries,
> > - within 2 weeks when the product is delivered by postal mail.
> >
> > Additionally, a simple notification email message is also sent to you to
> > notify you that an order has been placed for your customer, and that we
> > have delivered the information you have instructed us to, or to notify
you
> > to deliver the product yourself if you choose to deliver your own
products
> > via postal mail or electronically.
> >
> > If you find these conditions agreeable, and can choose one of our
delivery
> > options to help you with the sale of your product, we would welcome your
> > response.
> >
> > Finally, before we can reach a decision to accept your non-software
> > product, we would like to ask for some additional information from you.
> > Could you please provide us with your current monthly sales level and a
> > projection of future sales?
> >
> > Thank you for your cooperation. We look forward to hearing from you.
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > Nina Breuer
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> >
> > ShareIt! - your global partner for selling shareware
> > http://www.shareit.com
> > ShareIt! - a service of element 5
> > ______________________________________________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > At 12:17 AM 3/2/02 +0100, you wrote:
> > >Dear,
> > >
> > >We would like to use your product, but we don't know if the service we
>like
> > >to offer to our web-visitors is available through ShareIt, since we
>aren't
> > >selling shareware programs.
> > >We're organizing a congress (www.europython.org) and would like to
offer
> > >people the change to order online tickets for the congress.
> > >Since this isn't a type of shareware programs, we wonder if the service
>(ie
> > >registration and buying tickets to our website visitors) is possible
with
> > >ShareIt.
> > >If so, then what are the costs behind all this?
> > >
> > >Thanks in advance,
> > >Tom Deprez
> >





From mal@lemburg.com  Tue Mar 12 21:13:10 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:13:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] payment through internet
References: <014f01c1c9f9$c1f58fa0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3C8E6F66.DFB4E2C3@lemburg.com>

> Ok,
> 
> I received an answer form ShareIt and from Kagi.
> 
> Both allow to set up a service as we want to do. Below is more information
> concerning ShareIt.

What was the intention of this posting ? 

Kagi is much more expensive than ShareIT, so what's the question 
here ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar 12 22:30:38 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 23:30:38 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] payment through internet
References: <014f01c1c9f9$c1f58fa0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C8E6F66.DFB4E2C3@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01f701c1ca15$93c2ddb0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter>

urgh, nothing, I just wanted to share the information.


----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@zope.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:13 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] payment through internet


> > Ok,
> >
> > I received an answer form ShareIt and from Kagi.
> >
> > Both allow to set up a service as we want to do. Below is more
information
> > concerning ShareIt.
>
> What was the intention of this posting ?
>
> Kagi is much more expensive than ShareIT, so what's the question
> here ?
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue Mar 12 23:32:17 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:32:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
Message-ID: <025601c1ca1e$9cd52ad0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

A) Ok, We've a postgressql database now!

I've created a table for holding the data of possible congress visitors.I
did some work on the 'Intent to Come' Form. Unfortunately, my knowledge of
Formulator in conjunction with ZPT (concerning error validation) seems not
that good :-(.  Is there somebody who can give a hand, so that it is
finished? See regInterest Folder on the EuroPython.

B) Voting:

Till now I only received 9 votes concerning the design of the website. Is it
my idea that there is no interest?

C) From the moment that the decision is made concerning the design, we need
to do some serious work on the website to get it up and running.
Do we still have the volunteers who were willing to give a hand at the
start?

Best Regards,
Tom.




From Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de  Wed Mar 13 01:00:43 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:00:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
In-Reply-To: <025601c1ca1e$9cd52ad0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <E16kx8w-00085k-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:32:17 +0100, Tom Deprez wrote:

>Till now I only received 9 votes concerning the design of the website. =
Is it
>my idea that there is no interest?

No, just that the sane design is obvious, and people vote like they shou=
ld 
vote. ;)


Ciao, J=FCrgen




From ct@gocept.com  Fri Mar 15 08:16:09 2002
From: ct@gocept.com (Christian Theune)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:16:09 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020315091609.A29635@pegasus.ct.gocept.com>

Howdi


* Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com> [020310 01:20]:
> Ok,
> 
> Please reply to this message:

mkay

> Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite
> -------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Your votes:
> 
> Logo :	B
> Layout :	B
> 
> 

Greetings

Christian

-- 
Christian Theune - ct@gocept.com
gocept gmbh & co.kg - schalaunische strasse 6 - 06366 koethen/anhalt
tel.+49 3496 3099112 - fax.+49 3496 3099118 mob. - 0178 48 33 981

reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,[chr(ord(x)^42) for x in 'zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b'])


From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Mar 15 12:04:30 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:04:30 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois)
References: <3C8CBEC9.4A827EC6@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <3C91E34E.72FEAF29@lemburg.com>

Marc Poinot wrote:
> 
> Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois.
> ...

Does this letter fits Paul's needs ? If so, please add a
text copy to the Wiki, so that we can use it as template
and to be able to show speakers what they'll get.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Mar 15 12:17:57 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:17:57 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] ConferenceTracks -- WebServices et al.
Message-ID: <3C91E675.906969E@lemburg.com>

Two questions:

1. Who will run the WebServices Track ?

2. Where should we submit proposal for talks ?

The business track has setup a workflow for this, so it might
be worth copying.

If no-one volunteers, I'll ask Tim Couper if he wants
to join me to run the track...

Note that most other tracks don't have track champions yet.
Neither is it clear where and how to propose talks.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be  Fri Mar 15 15:38:59 2002
From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:38:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment repondre a un message ? Hoe antwoorden ?
Message-ID: <02031516385905.01104@pc20_118>

Je ne trouve pas de bouton pour r=E9pondre =E0 un message!
Comment dois-je faire ?

Ik vind geen knop om te antwoorden!
Hoe moet ik doen ?


Patrick Carabin.

=ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
=ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
=09=09=09=09=09=09Dala=EF Lama.


From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be  Fri Mar 15 15:50:55 2002
From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:50:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget
Message-ID: <02031516505506.01104@pc20_118>

How much do we have to pay to participate?

TIA

Patrick Carabin.

Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20
http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/
Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20
http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20

=ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
=ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
=09=09=09=09=09=09Dala=EF Lama.


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Mar 15 19:15:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 20:15:51 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment repondre a un message ? Hoe antwoorden ?
References: <02031516385905.01104@pc20_118>
Message-ID: <00e701c1cc55$d82d79f0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Respond to which message?

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Carabin" <Patrick.Carabin@SciencesNaturelles.be>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:38 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment repondre a un message ? Hoe antwoorden ?


Je ne trouve pas de bouton pour r閜ondre � un message!
Comment dois-je faire ?

Ik vind geen knop om te antwoorden!
Hoe moet ik doen ?


Patrick Carabin.

獺et geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.�
獿e bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.�
Dala� Lama.

_______________________________________________
EuroPython mailing list
EuroPython@python.org
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Mar 16 14:08:26 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:08:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
Message-ID: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all!

I've finished the 'Register Interest' form. It would be great that at least
everybody on this list would fill it in to her/his intentions.
I think this information will be very valuable for the organisation of the
congress and the congress itself
Go to  http://europython.zope.nl/regInterest

I think we waited long enough for collecting votes. Since we received only a
meager amount of votes, we can assume that the rest agrees with the others:

(In total 12 people responded)

Logo : 12 votes in favor for logo B
Layout: 8 votes in favor of layout B; 5 votes in favor for layout C; 1 vote
in favor for layout D

(yes, if you count the total of votes for the layouts you get more than
12... this is because some people favored for B and C, C and D, ...)

I think we've a winner: http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02

* Volunteers for incorporating this layout into EuroPython?

* Vincent can you send us a Cascade Style Sheet we could use for the
website?

* Aragne @ Charleroi, can you create a page containing information of the
hotels, the transportation possibilities (airplane, train, bus, ...) ?

* What about the page concerning submitting of papers, etc? Shouldn't we
post this one very soon? How far are we with that part?

Regards, Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Mar 16 14:39:29 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 15:39:29 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
Message-ID: <009701c1ccf8$61f92c40$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok,

I've incorporated the layout myself. Not everything is done:

We should incorporate the CSS
We should create the right boxes
We should create one of the right boxes as news box.
....

Volunteers?

Regards, Tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Mar 16 15:01:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:01:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
Message-ID: <00c401c1ccfb$7951dbf0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok,

I've incorporated the layout myself. Not everything is done:

We should incorporate the CSS
We should create the right boxes
We should create one of the right boxes as news box.
....

Volunteers?

Regards, Tom





From denis@aragne.com  Sat Mar 16 15:41:19 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:41:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
In-Reply-To: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net>

Le Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 03:08:26PM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi all!

Hello, Tom,

> I've finished the 'Register Interest' form.

Proficiaat.

> I think we've a winner: http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02
> [...]
> * Volunteers for incorporating this layout into EuroPython?
> * Vincent can you send us a Cascade Style Sheet we could use for the
> website?

Vincent was abroad these last days. As soon as he comes back he will
take contact to help.

> * Aragne @ Charleroi, can you create a page containing information of the
> hotels, the transportation possibilities (airplane, train, bus, ...) ?

We've contacted hotels and info-tourism center.
We've collected some info and we're setting it up in a local wiki (English
is a small problem for some of us).
When it's done, it will be transmitted either in the EPC wiki, either
directly in a www.europython.org page.

> * What about the page concerning submitting of papers, etc? Shouldn't we
> post this one very soon? How far are we with that part?

CharleroiTeam will need *very* soon a good idea of the final program since
it will decide :
- how many usable rooms we need
- which logistic must be involved (how many PC, overhead projectors,
  etc)

Actively y'rs

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat Mar 16 15:50:10 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:50:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <00da01c1cd02$42548ab0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

<snip>

> Vincent was abroad these last days. As soon as he comes back he will take
contact to help.

ok

 > > * Aragne @ Charleroi, can you create a page containing information of
the
> > hotels, the transportation possibilities (airplane, train, bus, ...) ?
>
> We've contacted hotels and info-tourism center.
> We've collected some info and we're setting it up in a local wiki (English
is a small problem for some of us).

great. No problem. I can help with the translation.

> When it's done, it will be transmitted either in the EPC wiki, either
directly in a www.europython.org page.

ok.

Regards,
Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sun Mar 17 20:55:33 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:55:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
In-Reply-To: <00c401c1ccfb$7951dbf0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <00c401c1ccfb$7951dbf0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020317205532.GA14984@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I've incorporated the layout myself. Not everything is done:

Great! I filled in the survey myself. Is there any way (besides SQL)
to get at the results of the survey (some summary?). We should also
send out the word. This could go together with the Call for Participation.
I'm currently really busy with work, but I'll try to get the form done
for that this week.

Regards,

Martijn



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sun Mar 17 21:45:20 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:45:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Paul Everitt will speak!
Message-ID: <20020317214520.GA15397@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Paul Everitt mailed me asking if he could speak at EuroPython. I told
him yes! That's a good start for the Zope track. :)

Regards,

Martijn



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun Mar 17 21:48:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:48:51 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
References: <00c401c1ccfb$7951dbf0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020317205532.GA14984@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <002401c1cdfd$8e033780$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Great!

Well, lot's of appreciation to you, since formulator is a great product.

> I filled in the survey myself. Is there any way (besides SQL) to get at
the results of the survey (some summary?).

mmm, do you mean that you would like to have a result report? I didn't made
one, since in fact most of it is just entering the select SQL and we have
the needed information. Or would you like to show the amount of people on
the webpage (ie only the amount per country, certainly not the personal
information). I didn't do this yet, since I thought this poll was just for
getting the organisators some really needed information.

>We should also send out the word. This could go together with the Call for
Participation. I'm currently really busy with work, but I'll try to get the
form done  for that this week.

Yes, perhaps people can tell it to each other or announce it on different
lists?

Python lists, Zope lists?

Regards, Tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon Mar 18 10:10:25 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:10:25 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers
References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3C95BD11.55275B0@lemburg.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
>=20
> > * What about the page concerning submitting of papers, etc? Shouldn't=
 we
> > post this one very soon? How far are we with that part?
>=20
> CharleroiTeam will need *very* soon a good idea of the final program si=
nce
> it will decide :
> - how many usable rooms we need
> - which logistic must be involved (how many PC, overhead projectors,
>   etc)

The list has gone a bit too quiet on these issues lately. Looking
at the Wiki, not even the track champions nor the proposal guidelines
are mentioned for most tracks.

This will definitely have to change ! So please everyone, speak
up and volunteer to run a track.

For the business track, we'll need one room for approx.
50-100 persons equipped with a beamer.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon Mar 18 11:49:35 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:49:35 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
In-Reply-To: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203181248321.9787-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I think we've a winner: http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02

Could we just remove the stars from the menu on the left side, as someone
already suggested. I think they are a bit too much... but hey, I'm not
part of the design team, am I ? ;-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o� est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue Mar 19 23:55:41 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:55:41 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers
In-Reply-To: <3C95BD11.55275B0@lemburg.com>
References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net> <3C95BD11.55275B0@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> The list has gone a bit too quiet on these issues lately. Looking
> at the Wiki, not even the track champions nor the proposal guidelines
> are mentioned for most tracks.
> 
> This will definitely have to change ! So please everyone, speak
> up and volunteer to run a track.
> 
> For the business track, we'll need one room for approx.
> 50-100 persons equipped with a beamer.

It's probably in part my fault that the list is too quiet; I've been
particularly busy lately, and still will be until at least next week.

A plan:

  * finish up the Call for Participation document
 
    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/RequestForPapers

    (don't request papers, just request people to participate) 

  * by the way, someone needs to update and drive this document:

    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceInformationRelease

    Though we may want to combine it with the former. See following items.

  * finish up the form to apply for a talk. This is not a technology issue; 
    this is a 'what should be in the form' issue'. People please look at this
    form and suggest some improvements -- especially the suggested lengths
    of talks. Anyway, I should just finish it. :) 

    http://europython.zope.nl/call_for_papers/index_html

    (to be renamed call for participation)

  * we already have Tom's form to register interest.

    http://europython.zope.nl/regInterest

    We only need to publicize this. I proposed a combined call for
    participation (attendees and people who'll give talks alike):

    The call for participation document needs a starting section that
    summarizes the conference. Point at Tom's form. Then continue on 
    for those interested in talking, and point to the participation 
    form.

  * peope managing the various tracks will also go and hunt for folks who 
    already offered to talk so they can fill in the form. If necessary
    fill in the form for them. :) If there are people who would be
    able to give very interesting talks, the track people will have to 
    contact them.

  * within a short time we hope to have a ballpark number of talks and
    size of tracks.

  * within a short time we'll have a ballpark number of people who want
    to just visit the conference.

  * that's what the Charleroi people need.

What can be done right now is for people to go in and edit the documents
to conform to the above plan. We also need to pick some new dates for
the various things, as we're overdue on the dates listed in the wiki
now. So if you're interested in helping, go ahead and do it. :)

Note that I skipped over any translation issues; if people want to
translate later on of course we should do so, but right now it's 
important to have an english version and to get it out to the door.

Regards,

Martijn



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed Mar 20 00:02:09 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:02:09 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Please help: plan of action!
Message-ID: <20020320000209.GA24349@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I posted a plan of action to the list just now, and I wikified it
for all to see here:

http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PlanOfAction

Please take a look and help out. The most urgent thing right now is
for people to go in and edit the text of the call for participation,
as described in the plan. The form to register interest to participate
is also urgent.

After that it'll be easy; we just spam all sorts of mailing lists with
it again, and we'll put it on our homepage too. A news item on the 
homepage would become really useful now -- we could use it for neat
little items like 'Paul Everitt will speak!' 'Come and meet Laura Creighton!'
and so on.

Regards,

Martijn



From mal@lemburg.com  Thu Mar 21 09:18:39 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:18:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers
In-Reply-To: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Martijn Faassen <faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > The list has gone a bit too quiet on these issues lately. Looking
> > at the Wiki, not even the track champions nor the proposal guidelines
> > are mentioned for most tracks.
> > 
> > This will definitely have to change ! So please everyone, speak
> > up and volunteer to run a track.
> > 
> > For the business track, we'll need one room for approx.
> > 50-100 persons equipped with a beamer.
> 
> It's probably in part my fault that the list is too quiet; I've been
> particularly busy lately, and still will be until at least next week.
>
> A plan:
> 
>   * finish up the Call for Participation document
>  
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/RequestForPapers
> 
>     (don't request papers, just request people to participate) 
> 
>   * by the way, someone needs to update and drive this document:
> 
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceInformationRelease
> 
>     Though we may want to combine it with the former. See following items.
> 
>   * finish up the form to apply for a talk. This is not a technology issue; 
>     this is a 'what should be in the form' issue'. People please look at this
>     form and suggest some improvements -- especially the suggested lengths
>     of talks. Anyway, I should just finish it. :) 
> 
>     http://europython.zope.nl/call_for_papers/index_html
> 
>     (to be renamed call for participation)

Uhm, I am confused: why do you call this call for papers when
you really want a call for talks ?

BTW, I think all of this is too bureaucratic: just have the track 
champions manage the tracks and organize the talks (like e.g.
Tim and I did for the business track). We really don't need any
"form" of some kind -- personal contact is much more important
here.
 
>   * we already have Tom's form to register interest.
> 
>     http://europython.zope.nl/regInterest
> 
>     We only need to publicize this. I proposed a combined call for
>     participation (attendees and people who'll give talks alike):
> 
>     The call for participation document needs a starting section that
>     summarizes the conference. Point at Tom's form. Then continue on 
>     for those interested in talking, and point to the participation 
>     form.
> 
>   * peope managing the various tracks will also go and hunt for folks who 
>     already offered to talk so they can fill in the form. If necessary
>     fill in the form for them. :) If there are people who would be
>     able to give very interesting talks, the track people will have to 
>     contact them.

Right.

Since nobody else volunteered, Tim and I will also play track 
champions for the Web Services track.
 
>   * within a short time we hope to have a ballpark number of talks and
>     size of tracks.
> 
>   * within a short time we'll have a ballpark number of people who want
>     to just visit the conference.
> 
>   * that's what the Charleroi people need.
> 
> What can be done right now is for people to go in and edit the documents
> to conform to the above plan. We also need to pick some new dates for
> the various things, as we're overdue on the dates listed in the wiki
> now. So if you're interested in helping, go ahead and do it. :)

I'll edit the business track and web services track pages
when I get home from London.
 
Thanks,

=====
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Consulting & Company:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                  http://www.egenix.com/files/python/

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From jacek@artymiak.com  Thu Mar 21 19:41:32 2002
From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 18:41:32 -0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Food for thought
Message-ID: <20020321184132.A17232@skuba.h--y.com>

Hi,

Here's some good advice on conference design ;-)

http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/javascript/2002/03/19/megnut.html

-- 
Jacek Artymiak
writer, author, developer, consultant -------- 
e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com            --------
   www: http://www.artymiak.com       --------


From dermisek@loiweb.com  Wed Mar 20 07:38:28 2002
From: dermisek@loiweb.com (Tomas Dermisek)
Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:38:28 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] contact
Message-ID: <LFEILODICKPAGGNPLJGHCEJHCGAA.dermisek@loiweb.com>

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hello,

our software company would like start to develop projects in python/ZOPE.

for the first steps we would like to find a python specialists here in
slovakia. do you have any contacts to python community in slovak republic ?

could you send us any email adresses or urls to python people inhere ?

thank you in advance.

best regards,
Tomas Dermisek



LOIWEB-Webdesign
Racianska 71, 83259 Bratislava
Tel:   +421 2 44457185
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Mar 21 20:52:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:52:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Overview
Message-ID: <019501c1d11a$50dcb140$978d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Until now 30 people told they were interested in visiting EuroPython, with a
total amount of 247 people. Someone entered an amount of 200 people, I'm not
sure how to interprete that :-). So for a more accurate number, I would say
till now, we may expect 48 people.
I've announced the link on the zope@zope.org list.

Regards, Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu Mar 21 21:05:35 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:05:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers
In-Reply-To: <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl> <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20020321210535.GA32273@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Uhm, I am confused: why do you call this call for papers when
> you really want a call for talks ?

I'm not, but I didn't write this document; it was already there.
I figured we might be able to adapt it, but perhaps that's not necessary.

> BTW, I think all of this is too bureaucratic: just have the track 
> champions manage the tracks and organize the talks (like e.g.
> Tim and I did for the business track). We really don't need any
> "form" of some kind -- personal contact is much more important
> here.

All right, that's fine with me as well. No form. But if we want to call
for speakers and they should respond, how do we do this then?
Somekind of call with a list of contacts (by email) would still be necessary.

> Since nobody else volunteered, Tim and I will also play track 
> champions for the Web Services track.

Great! :)

I can play champion (along with Tom) for the Zope track, and I can probably
also do something which I call the 'Python geek track' for want of a better
word.. By this I mean language technology of interest, such as Psyco and
Stackless, Jython perhaps if it doesn't get its own stuff,
and perhaps something more library oriented as well.

> I'll edit the business track and web services track pages
> when I get home from London.

Thanks,

Martijn



From jacek@artymiak.com  Fri Mar 22 09:37:23 2002
From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:37:23 -0100
Subject: [EuroPython] More ideas
Message-ID: <20020322083723.A18243@skuba.h--y.com>

Hi,

Here are more ideas for conference organizers

http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/sfshows.html

Hope this helps a little.

-- 
Jacek Artymiak
writer, author, developer, consultant -------- 
e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com            --------
   www: http://www.artymiak.com       --------


From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri Mar 22 10:29:15 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:29:15 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Overview
In-Reply-To: <019501c1d11a$50dcb140$978d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <019501c1d11a$50dcb140$978d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020322102915.GA1869@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Until now 30 people told they were interested in visiting EuroPython, with a
> total amount of 247 people. Someone entered an amount of 200 people, I'm not
> sure how to interprete that :-). So for a more accurate number, I would say
> till now, we may expect 48 people.

> I've announced the link on the zope@zope.org list.

That should approve matters; but we really should get out a press release
and announce it through regular Python channels. That'll significantly
increase the list. :)

Regards,

Martijn



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri Mar 22 12:46:12 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:46:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers
In-Reply-To: <20020321210535.GA32273@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0203221342200.9787-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> also do something which I call the 'Python geek track' for want of a better
> word.. By this I mean language technology of interest, such as Psyco and
> Stackless, Jython perhaps if it doesn't get its own stuff,
> and perhaps something more library oriented as well.

I tried to invite Denys Duchier (of Mozart/Oz fame) and Christian
Tismer (of Stackless fame) to talk about the niceties we would get by
implementing constraint-propagation features on top of stackless
microthreads, but haven't got an answer yet... Would be so cool, though !

Guido was cc'ed and advised me to create a SIG for it without waiting for
EuroPython, but if the two guys above aren't interested, there isn't much
I'll be able to do alone considering my current workload.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o� est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Mar 22 20:52:24 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:52:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers
References: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl> <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> <20020321210535.GA32273@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3C9B9988.DD42680A@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > Uhm, I am confused: why do you call this call for papers when
> > you really want a call for talks ?
> 
> I'm not, but I didn't write this document; it was already there.
> I figured we might be able to adapt it, but perhaps that's not necessary.

I see.
 
> > BTW, I think all of this is too bureaucratic: just have the track
> > champions manage the tracks and organize the talks (like e.g.
> > Tim and I did for the business track). We really don't need any
> > "form" of some kind -- personal contact is much more important
> > here.
> 
> All right, that's fine with me as well. No form. But if we want to call
> for speakers and they should respond, how do we do this then?
> Somekind of call with a list of contacts (by email) would still be necessary.

It's usually easiest to simply contact potential speakers
by email directly -- personal contacts usually help more than
some official posting to some mailing list :-)
 
> > Since nobody else volunteered, Tim and I will also play track
> > champions for the Web Services track.
> 
> Great! :)
> 
> I can play champion (along with Tom) for the Zope track, and I can probably
> also do something which I call the 'Python geek track' for want of a better
> word.. By this I mean language technology of interest, such as Psyco and
> Stackless, Jython perhaps if it doesn't get its own stuff,
> and perhaps something more library oriented as well.
> 
> > I'll edit the business track and web services track pages
> > when I get home from London.

Just did.

I'm going away for one week on holidays. After that I expect that
Tim and I will start talking to speakers for the web services
track as well.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From mal@lemburg.com  Fri Mar 22 20:59:22 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:59:22 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Switched track slots: Web Services and Python in Business
Message-ID: <3C9B9B2A.BD44D55C@lemburg.com>

FYI, we switched the slots for the "web services" and "Python
in Business tracks" in the time table, so that the new
layout now is:

* Python in Business in the AM session on conference day 1
* Web Services in the AM session on conference day 2

The reason is that we may not find enough speakers for the web
services session and would like to use the spare time for a
round table like discussion for Python in Business 
participants.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/


From jacek@artymiak.com  Sun Mar 24 23:12:14 2002
From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:12:14 -0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Python in Computer Graphics
Message-ID: <20020324221214.C20871@skuba.h--y.com>

Hi,

I wonder if someone (Laura, Tim, Marc?) could can answer the following questions:

What sort of facilities will be available for tutors at the Charleroi Conference Center?

Will there be computers available for (at least a part of) the audience, or just for the tutors?  Or should the tutors/attendees bring their own machines?

Also, how long will the tutorial sessions be?

Thanks,

-- 
Jacek Artymiak
writer, author, developer, consultant -------- 
e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com            --------
   www: http://www.artymiak.com       --------


From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Sun Mar 24 21:53:33 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:53:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Book distributor booth at EPC?
Message-ID: <3C9E4ADD.74D25B77@darwin.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

as, apparently, O'Reilly.co.uk (also dealing with Belgium) 
isn't quite interested to sponsor EPC there is an offer of 
a Belgian book distributor, that I've forwarded to Tom and 
Denis, but didn't get any response to. If anybody from Bel-
gium is willing to handle this I'm happy to pass over the 
contact plus a list of 62 proposed books (offered at 10% 
reduction) for some kind of booth at EPC. Please email me!

Regards,

Dinu


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun Mar 24 22:06:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:06:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Book distributor booth at EPC?
References: <3C9E4ADD.74D25B77@darwin.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <001b01c1d380$2bdb46f0$8d8c84d5@skullsplitter>

I've talked to Denis about this and he was going to contact the publisher.

Kind Regards, 
Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dinu Gherman" <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:53 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Book distributor booth at EPC?


> Hi,
> 
> as, apparently, O'Reilly.co.uk (also dealing with Belgium) 
> isn't quite interested to sponsor EPC there is an offer of 
> a Belgian book distributor, that I've forwarded to Tom and 
> Denis, but didn't get any response to. If anybody from Bel-
> gium is willing to handle this I'm happy to pass over the 
> contact plus a list of 62 proposed books (offered at 10% 
> reduction) for some kind of booth at EPC. Please email me!
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dinu
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be  Mon Mar 25 09:30:40 2002
From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:30:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Overview
In-Reply-To: <E16oSQ1-0006gg-00@mail.python.org>
References: <E16oSQ1-0006gg-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <02032510304100.01141@pc20_118>

>>   3. Overview ( Tom Deprez en Martijn Faassen )=20

Je suis int=E9ress=E9 =E0 participer, mais je ne sais pas combien =E7a co=
=FBte,=20
je dois le savoir rapidement ( pour en parler =E0 mon patron et =E0 mes=20
coll=E8gues: 3 pourraient =EAtre int=E9ress=E9s ). Je devrais aussi savoi=
r en=20
quelles langues le congr=E8s est organis=E9.

Ik heb veel interesse, maar om te kunnen deelnemen moet ik weten wat=20
het gaat kosten, en dit aan mijn baas vertellen, alsook aan mijn=20
kollegas ( 3 zouden interesse hebben ). Ik zou ook moeten weten in=20
welke talen dit congres georganiseerd wordt.

Patrick Carabin.

Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20
http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/
Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20
http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20

=ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
=ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
=09=09=09=09=09=09Dala=EF Lama.


From spirou@colnet.carolo.net  Mon Mar 25 10:42:42 2002
From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis)
Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:42 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] [FR-NL] Overview
In-Reply-To: <02032510304100.01141@pc20_118>
References: <E16oSQ1-0006gg-00@mail.python.org> <02032510304100.01141@pc20_118>
Message-ID: <20020325114242.E10860@carolo.net>

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Le Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:30:40AM +0100, Patrick Carabin pianota:
> >>   3. Overview ( Tom Deprez en Martijn Faassen )=20
>=20
> Je suis int=E9ress=E9 =E0 participer, mais je ne sais pas combien =E7a =
co=FBte,=20
> je dois le savoir rapidement ( pour en parler =E0 mon patron et =E0 mes=
=20
> coll=E8gues: 3 pourraient =EAtre int=E9ress=E9s ). Je devrais aussi sav=
oir en=20
> quelles langues le congr=E8s est organis=E9.

One thing is sure :=20
- the working language on this list and for the conference is English.

For the budget question, Nicolas prepared a first draft : we have still
many unknown issues (amount from sponsors, how many attendees, ...)
Up to now, we've been speaking about prices around 100 eur/day.
And yes, we'll have to fix it very soon since it's an important point
on which participating may depend.

Thanks for your interest.

Denis

P.S. First (old) message follow :
--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com

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Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:30:31 +0100
To: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be
Subject: Re: Zope =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0_Charlero?=
	=?iso-8859-1?Q?i?= ( Belgique ! )
Message-ID: <20020315183031.A26365@carolo.net>
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Le Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 03:00:56PM +0100, Patrick Carabin pianota:
> Quelle sont les langues de travail, s.v.p. ?

Sur la liste EuroPython@python.org, c'est l'Anglais.

Sur la liste P3B-EuroPython@carolo.net, c'est le Fran=E7ais
et c'est plut=F4t destin=E9 =E0 la partie locale de l'organisation.
cf. http://www.p3b.org : il y a un lien vers la liste et vers le wiki
(molo avec les =E9ditions du Wiki, j'ai laiss=E9 tous les droits dessus).

A+

P.S. Vous utilisez Zope =E0 l'Institut ou c'est un int=E9r=EAt priv=E9 ?

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com

--RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1--


From moshez@twistedmatrix.com  Tue Mar 26 22:25:04 2002
From: moshez@twistedmatrix.com (Moshe Zadka)
Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:25:04 -0600
Subject: [EuroPython] Some Questions About The Conference
Message-ID: <E16pzNI-0007Rw-00@zaibach.twistedmatrix.com>

(Please do not CC me on replies. I'm not subscribed, but I am reading
the archives)

a) Any news on the hotel information?

b) Any idea of the cost structure, particularily whether
   speakers will also have to pay? 

c) Any idea whether there'll be financial help for speakers? (like flight
   tickets, hotel fees, etc.)



From denis@aragne.com  Wed Mar 27 02:16:51 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:16:51 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Some Questions About The Conference
In-Reply-To: <E16pzNI-0007Rw-00@zaibach.twistedmatrix.com>
References: <E16pzNI-0007Rw-00@zaibach.twistedmatrix.com>
Message-ID: <20020327031651.A3624@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:25:04PM -0600, Moshe Zadka pianota:
> (Please do not CC me on replies. I'm not subscribed, but I am reading
> the archives)
>=20
> a) Any news on the hotel information?

I think Fran=E7ois is waiting to have a complete info to put his listing
online. I'll ask him to hurry a bit. Meanwhile, I've pasted a first
draft on the website (http://www.europython.org/hotels). It's full of
French and 'old Francs', but the first 5 hotels are well known and
Internet links are ok.

> b) Any idea of the cost structure, particularily whether
>    speakers will also have to pay?=20

Not yet quite discussed by the BudgetTeam, but I think the least we can
do is to give free access to the speakers.

> c) Any idea whether there'll be financial help for speakers? (like flig=
ht
>    tickets, hotel fees, etc.)

We'll do our best to help them as much as we can. Let's find sponsors
and it will be possible. A new bank account has been opened,=20
specifically for the conference. References are at the URL=20
http://www.p3b.org/about/bank

Will the BudgetTeam go to the wiki and write some things on it ?
Thank you. (I did some editing, but I feel alone on these pages).

Spring has come and a new energy with it, hasn't it ? :-)

Denis

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From denis@aragne.com  Wed Mar 27 03:13:54 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:13:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Python in Computer Graphics
In-Reply-To: <20020324221214.C20871@skuba.h--y.com>
References: <20020324221214.C20871@skuba.h--y.com>
Message-ID: <20020327041354.C3624@carolo.net>

Le Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:12:14PM -0100, Jacek Artymiak pianota:

> What sort of facilities will be available for tutors at the
> Charleroi Conference Center?
 
> Will there be computers available for (at least a part of)
> the audience, or just for the tutors?  Or should the tutors/attendees
> bring their own machines?

We will have an internet access and CharleroiTeam will provide with
a few machines. If you have a laptop, you will have the possibility to
plug your own machine in a hub.

I think the best thing to do is to ask for what you need. We're not
going to rent machines/equipment if it's not needed.

> Also, how long will the tutorial sessions be?

That's for the program committee team...
(See the wiki).

Denis

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From denis@aragne.com  Wed Mar 27 04:24:09 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:24:09 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois)
In-Reply-To: <3C91E34E.72FEAF29@lemburg.com>
References: <3C8CBEC9.4A827EC6@onera.fr> <3C91E34E.72FEAF29@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020327052409.D3624@carolo.net>

Le Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:04:30PM +0100, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> Marc Poinot wrote:
> > 
> > Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois.
> > ...
> 
> Does this letter fits Paul's needs ? If so, please add a
> text copy to the Wiki, so that we can use it as template
> and to be able to show speakers what they'll get.

I've added the wiki page :
http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/SpeakersInvitationLetter

Please, could an English-speaking organizer have a look at it ?

Moreover, the BudgetTeam should decide what will be reimbursed to the
invited people ...

Denis

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Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com


From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Mar 28 00:59:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:59:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
Message-ID: <004301c1d5f3$d5e44280$978d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Anybody willing to translate the hotel page into english and transform the
prices to Euro?
Somebody volunteering to add some news capability to the site?
Somebody at Charlerloi willing to make a page with all the possible
transport?
Other ideas?
(Registration online, we're working on it. Waiting for definite price
settings)

Thanks in advance,
Tom.




From brendon@70south.com  Thu Mar 28 17:23:30 2002
From: brendon@70south.com (Brendon Grunewald)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:23:30 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Hotel Page translation
In-Reply-To: <E16qdHv-0004Yb-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <JFEDLLPFMPBFLDNOEIKOKEBNCLAA.brendon@70south.com>

Tom,

I will translate the hotel page from French to English and prices to Euro.

I'd like to suggest a message board on the site for the conference, sort of
a classifieds board where people can put up notices about lifts to and from,
accommodation to share offers and other such things that may be useful in
getting people to come or save cost doing so...

Have a good Easter, Froehe Ostern, Joyeuses P鈗ues.
Brendon

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Hi,

Anybody willing to translate the hotel page into english and transform the
prices to Euro?
Somebody volunteering to add some news capability to the site?
Somebody at Charlerloi willing to make a page with all the possible
transport?
Other ideas?
(Registration online, we're working on it. Waiting for definite price
settings)

Thanks in advance,
Tom.





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From brendon@70south.com  Thu Mar 28 17:59:11 2002
From: brendon@70south.com (Brendon Grunewald)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:59:11 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] English Hotel Page
In-Reply-To: <JFEDLLPFMPBFLDNOEIKOKEBNCLAA.brendon@70south.com>
Message-ID: <JFEDLLPFMPBFLDNOEIKOAEBOCLAA.brendon@70south.com>

Tom,

Here is my best "D閟ol�, je ne parle pas fran鏰is" translation.

---

Hotels and Camping Places in the Region

HOTEL FORMULE 1 :
Rue du Rosaire 10,
6041 Gosselies (Charleroi)
Tel. (071) 37.22.22 - Fax : (071) 37.21.31
Site Web : http://www.hotelformule1.com/formule1
Rooms: 1 - 2 - 3 persons : E 27.02
Breakfast: E 4.46 per person : self-service.
Parking: free.
Reservation recommended.

HOTEL BALLADINS :
Route de la Basse Sambre,
6061 Montignies-s/Sambre
T閘. (071) 42.01.68 - Fax : (071) 42.04.80
Single: E 39.42
Double: E 49.58
Triple: E 58.25
Rooms have Toilet, Shower, TV, Telephone and Breakfast
Monday to Friday (19h - 21h30) - meal for E 11.03 (drinks not included)
Parking available.
Reservation recommended.

HOTEL IBIS :
Quai de Flandre 12,
6000 Charleroi
T閘. (071) 20.60.60. - Fax : (071) 70.21.91 - e-mail: ibis@skypro.be
Site web:http://www.ibishotel.com
IBIS Charleroi-Airport :
http://www.hotels-europe.com/ibishotels/belgium/charleroi-airport.htm
Standard Room with Breakfast (full American breakfast buffet): E 69.29
Standard Room consists of: shower/Toilet, telephone, Colour TV, Modem and
Internet connection, air-conditioning
Parking within 100m of the hotel (Garage Ibis)
Reservation highly advised.

BUSINESS HOTEL :
Boulevard Mayence 1A,
6000 Charleroi
T閘.: 071/ 30.24.24 - Fax : 071/ 30.49.49 - e-mail : info@businesshotel.be
Site Web: http://www.businesshotel.be
Rooms with bath, colour TV, telephone, hairdryer, ironing station, Tee and
Coffee machine.
Normal Room: E 92.96 + breakfast E 11.78
Preferential Room: E 61.97 + breakfast: E 8.68
Parking under surveillance.
Reservation highly advised.

HOTEL SOCATEL
Boulevard Tirou 96,
6000 Charleroi
T閘. (071) 31.98.11 - Fax : (071) 30.15.96 - e-mail : socatel@socatel.be or
sotel@skynet.be
Site Web: http://www.genvie.be/fr/socatel.asp
Luxury rooms: Bath, hairdryer, Ironing station, Office desk, telephone,
Alarm clock, TV, mini-bar.
Single (Very small): E 48.96
Single: E 58.88
Double / Twin: E 68.17
Business Single or Double/twin + air condition: E 76.23
Executive Single or Double + air condition: E 91.10
Breakfast (American Buffet Breakfast): Extra
Continental Breakfast: E 9.30 per person
Parking accessible from 16h00 - 09h00 in the week and 24h on weekends.
Reservation highly advised.

Camping des Lacs de l'Eau d'Heure (sprl)
route de Falemprise ,
5630 Cerfontaine (Silenrieux) (approx 25 km from Charleroi)
071/64.49.54
Tennis, Kids games, French Bowls, covered and heated swimming pool, hot
showers, shop, snack bar.

Camping La For阾 (sc):
Route de Mariembourg 47,
5600 Neuville (Philippeville) (approx 30 km from Charleroi)
071/66.72.03 or 0495/82.83.00
"1 - 2 Acres, beautiful layout, games, nursery, coffee shop, restaurant,
swimming pool, electricity".

Au Moulin de Romedenne
Rue du Moulin de Romedenne 19,
5600 Philippeville (approx 30 km from Charleroi)
Tel: 082/67.76.95
"swimming pool, French Bowls, Fishing, tennis, football, restaurant,
tavern/snack, laundry, toilets, hot showers,
mini-football, horse riding nearby, kids games.

Royal Camping Caravaning Club (asbl)
Chemin d'Oultre Heure,
6120 Ham-sur-Heure (approx 20 km from Charleroi)
Tel: 071/21.46.86

Trieu du Bois :
rue Piccolom� 63,
6238 Luttre (approx 20 km from Charleroi)
Tel: 071/84.59.37


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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu Mar 28 22:50:20 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 23:50:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] away
Message-ID: <003f01c1d6aa$f30351f0$978d84d5@skullsplitter>

I'll be away for a few days. If people need access to the site to add some
things, please contact somebody who has already a login, eg martijn.
You can change anything you want :-)

Regards, Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Mar 29 10:15:50 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:15:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website
Message-ID: <006901c1d70b$401e1550$978d84d5@skullsplitter>

I've added the CSS which I received from Vincent to the website.

And now I'm of for a holiday :-) Bye!

Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri Mar 29 10:19:44 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 11:19:44 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Hotel Page translation
References: <JFEDLLPFMPBFLDNOEIKOKEBNCLAA.brendon@70south.com>
Message-ID: <006e01c1d70b$4ac2b150$978d84d5@skullsplitter>

Tom,

>I will translate the hotel page from French to English and prices to Euro.

Great!

>I'd like to suggest a message board on the site for the conference, sort of
a classifieds board where people can put up notices about lifts to and from,
accommodation to share offers and other such things that may be useful in
getting people to come or save cost doing so...

Good idea, go ahead.

>Have a good Easter, Froehe Ostern, Joyeuses P鈗ues.

To everybody too.

Regards, Tom.




From tim@2wave.net  Fri Mar 29 13:50:54 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (Tim Couper)
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:50:54 -0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois)
In-Reply-To: <E16qGne-0006E3-00@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <NDBBKILCLHLPDFKBLBPBIEAPCBAA.tim@2wave.net>

Denis (& Marc)

I've looked at it and made some changes to the English. Hope they're OK!

Tim

 Marc Poinot wrote:
> > 
> > Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois.
> > ...
> 
> Does this letter fits Paul's needs ? If so, please add a
> text copy to the Wiki, so that we can use it as template
> and to be able to show speakers what they'll get.

I've added the wiki page :
http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/SpeakersInvitationLetter

Please, could an English-speaking organizer have a look at it ?

Moreover, the BudgetTeam should decide what will be reimbursed to the
invited people ...

Denis