From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 1 08:48:35 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 09:48:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi all, > > As Denis already told on the list, we should gather some more information > (figures) about the conference which we can show to governments people and > industry so that they know we mean it seriously. One point is that we should > know approx how many people will come to the conference. > We discussed this at Aragne and it would be good if we make some sort of > pre-registration form which allows all the people on the list to tell that > they likely will come and with how many people. This will give us some > figures. > Meanwhile I will make contact with ShareIt and create an account. After this > is finished we can create a registration form which enables to give us a > more appropriate figure of people who will come. (because people who will > pay online, will most likely come as well). I suppose that account will be bound to the P3B account, right ? In that case, what's the progress on the legal settings ? Has Denis already sent the needed documents to Martijn ? > Further on as Martijn is already working on, we should start as well with a > call-for-papers form, enabling to let people bring in their papers. This > will give us an idea of the amount of people for presentations as well. > > So, I think the following actions should be discussed *quickly* and > desicions should be made, since these are some key thingies that certainly > will be needed before we can finish the above things *completely*: > > 1. When will be the deadline for bringing in papers I still believe that for the first conference we should not have refereed papers. It just takes too much effort to get this right... maybe just me, though. Anyway, given that you typically have two rounds before final acceptance, the submission deadline should probably be around April 1st, the second around 1st of May. > 2. How much will the confernce cost per person Hard to tell. How far has the budget team reached consensus on this ? If not, then please make this top priority ! I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate, this is just pie-in-the-sky talk. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri Mar 1 09:25:54 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 10:25:54 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org? Message-ID: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de> Hi, in coping with the enormous lazyness I expect on the side of magazine journalists to tell the relevant from the trivial (of course there should not be any, but well... editors are also humans) I wonder how to create an URL to a localised version of the press-release on europython.org? As I can see this is nicely hidden be- hind some frames that are beyond my research capacities right now, if not even in general. Thanks and regards, Dinu From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri Mar 1 12:51:12 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:51:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] Budget In-Reply-To: <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for > students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate, > this is just pie-in-the-sky talk. Let's use Euros only. Please. It's *Euro*Python :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mvm@brutele.be Fri Mar 1 15:21:23 2002 From: mvm@brutele.be (vincent) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:21:23 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx> This is an other model : a narrow window http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model01 or a large window http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From obenassy@free.fr Fri Mar 1 16:35:35 2002 From: obenassy@free.fr (Odile =?iso-8859-1?Q?B=E9nassy?=) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 17:35:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx> Message-ID: <3C7FADD7.D3D686C4@free.fr> vincent a =E9crit : > = > This is an other model : > = I think : too many stars... you should keep them in the logo and that's it and a little dull apart from that > a narrow window > = > http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model01 > = > or a large window > = > http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 > = > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > = > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- = Odile B=E9nassy http://obenassy.free.fr/ Journ=E9es du Logiciel Libre dans l'Education = http://www.libresoftware-educ.org From spirou@colnet.carolo.net Fri Mar 1 17:56:17 2002 From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:56:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website In-Reply-To: <3C7FADD7.D3D686C4@free.fr> References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx> <3C7FADD7.D3D686C4@free.fr> Message-ID: <20020301185617.B12559@carolo.net> Le Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 05:35:35PM +0100, Odile B=E9nassy pianota: > I think : too many stars... you should keep them in the logo and > that's it and a little dull apart from that My opinion diverges. For me there are not too many stars. Perhaps I love starry nights more than you do. ;-) And the new version of the logo is very nice. (I prefer this font). I'm looking at it on a laptop 800x600 : the model02 looks better with this resolution. Thanks, Vincent. Denis --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Mar 1 20:31:47 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:31:47 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Legal Structure In-Reply-To: <3C7DF1B7.1B77FE3B@lemburg.com> References: <3C7B9031.B02900F3@lemburg.com> <20020227224224.GB32295@vet.uu.nl> <20020228040845.E21488@carolo.net> <3C7DF1B7.1B77FE3B@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020301203147.GA8662@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: [snip] > > - What is the program ? > > Will there be really accessible presentation for simple human beings ? > > The tutorials ?! Sure, some tutorials will be. We can certainly do presentations for simple human beings if there's a demand. :) > Some business talks will certainly be. > > > Will the the presentations be translated ? > > The business talks will be held in English. > Not sure about the tutorials. In general, I think English > should be the language of choice in most parts of the > conference. Agreed. > > Why would it be interresting for local population ? > > To get to know interesting people from all other Europe and > many other parts of the world. The city could also have interest > in Python for their own IT department. Right, all sorts of IT departments in fact should be interested. > > - How many rooms and which infrastructure will we need ? > > At least 3 conference rooms, 1 network room with Ethernet > Internet access, coffee lounge, room for booths, poster > stands, conference signup. We need to map this out a bit better. It depends in part on the tracks we'll have. > > Will there be hands-on tutorials ? > > How many machines ? > > Good question. Who is going to do the tutorials ? We will have tutorials. We do need to arrange something about machines; this was on my mental list. :) [snip] > Depends on the budget... BudgetTeam ? > > I suppose we go for something like EUR 250 for the > whole conference, or EUR 100 per day. Students pay half. > > That's cheap for a conference ! (Less is of course better, > but I doubt the budget will provide for this) > > > If we're making benefits, will they get something back ? > > We won't make any money: P3B is non-profit. In fact, > it is more likely we'll have to pay on top, just like > Foretec that last two or three times. Foretec has paid employees, we so far don't. That's a major cost factor scrapped. Also we still have good hopes for CEME. We need to cost the conference, and then we know how much we should ask. I still think we can do it relatively cheaply -- more like 100 EUR for the conference, possibly. 300 * 100 euro is still 30000 euro, and if the factors of employees and renting the whole conference place are indeed nonpresent, what are the other major costs? I mean, I realize that's 30k euro is a pittance in one sense, but it'd like to see our budget. So far our costs have been about 0 euro.. :) [booth] > Should be announced on: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors > > I'd say EUR 1000,00 per booth is a good ball point figure. > We might need to ask for more, though, depending on how > many booths we can have. And at the same time we may want to provide individuals with the opportunity to present their stuff.. Difficult. > > Could we have pre-registration forms (speakers, sponsors and visitors) > > where good-will people could give us as much information as possible > > to try to find answers to these questions ? I'm moving ahead on the call for speakers. We should do the preregistration form after that. Thanks Denis! Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <000e01c1c134$dd5b1a80$3aff44d4@gfx> Message-ID: <00e101c1c160$a3574030$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> I like it! It looks like the left navigation is a little bit wrong, but for the rest it looks nice. Nice, plain, simple and beautifull. Especially the logo! :-) So, let's put all designs together on a wiki and vote for them... ok? If others have prepared another design, please let us know! The traffic on this list is rather slow lately... is everybody still with us? Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "vincent" To: Cc: "vincent" Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] A new layout for the website > This is an other model : > > a narrow window > > http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model01 > > or a large window > > http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 > > > > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Fri Mar 1 20:24:46 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 21:24:46 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org? References: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> For German this would be : http://www.europython.org/home/pressrelease?language=ge Best Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dinu Gherman" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:25 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org? > Hi, > > in coping with the enormous lazyness I expect on the > side of magazine journalists to tell the relevant from > the trivial (of course there should not be any, but > well... editors are also humans) I wonder how to create > an URL to a localised version of the press-release on > europython.org? As I can see this is nicely hidden be- > hind some frames that are beyond my research capacities > right now, if not even in general. > > Thanks and regards, > > Dinu > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri Mar 1 21:06:22 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:06:22 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org? In-Reply-To: <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <1014974754.3c7f4922f2765@webmail.in-berlin.de> <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <1015016781.3c7fed4e0293e@webmail.in-berlin.de> Tom Deprez : > For German this would be : > > http://www.europython.org/home/pressrelease?language=ge > > Best Regards, > Tom. Great! Would you mind using the ISO-whatever language codes, in this case "de"? ;-) Dinu From Tom Deprez" <00e201c1c160$a6e5e530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <1015016781.3c7fed4e0293e@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <01d501c1c173$282f68c0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> Oops, sorry! My fault :-) It's changed to de Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dinu Gherman" To: Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Links to localised Press-Release on europython.org? > Tom Deprez : > > > For German this would be : > > > > http://www.europython.org/home/pressrelease?language=ge > > > > Best Regards, > > Tom. > > Great! Would you mind using the ISO-whatever language codes, > in this case "de"? ;-) > > Dinu > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi, It looks like the people of P3B haven't mentioned it yet, but the statutes are online : http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts It is however, written in Frech. If there is somebody skilled in law and french/english it would be great if she/he would translate it to english Regards, tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, I was working on a pre-registration form (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?; Which countries are represented?; With the email address we can invite people to register when the real registration form is ready. But, in order to go further, I've some basic questions. I came to the following points. Owners of the server --------------------- 1) I didn't want to make too much hassle, so I thought it would be good to keep that information into a gadfly database, the only problem is that I don't have access to the var directory... :-). Can somebody who does create an entry? 2) Can we also use a postgress or MySQL database for the other data? Can we set this up ourselfs or do you prefer to do it yourself, ie creating the databases/tables. (I don't mind the last point, less work for us :-). 3) Who do we contact if we have questions concerning this? Web Designers ---------------- Perhaps you could also define some style on the look of the form pages? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, I've made a new wiki page: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/SiteToDo All people interested in the europython website, view it and alter it. Put your name behind it if you're interested in helping to create that part. Regards, Tom. From spirou@colnet.carolo.net Sat Mar 2 14:13:47 2002 From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis) Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2002 15:13:47 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] P3B In-Reply-To: <02a701c1c175$db8fe6e0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <02a701c1c175$db8fe6e0$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020302151347.Q21488@carolo.net> Le Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 11:58:33PM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota: > Hi, > > It looks like the people of P3B haven't mentioned it yet, but > the statutes are online : http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts > It is however, written in French. > If there is somebody skilled in law and french/english it would > be great if she/he would translate it to english Thanks for mentioning it, Tom. I wrote it in the wiki and forgot to tell about on the list. http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/LegalBody Next week will be another tough one (not much availability), but you've to know we're struggling to make EPC1 a success story. I'm reluctant to post good news while I'm not quite sure of their issue, but : - We should have a TV broadcast on Free-Software a month before the event, and of course, EPC will be announced. We also should have radio announcements. (I'm talking about our French speaking national TV-Radio RTBF http://www.rtbf.be - Local TV should follow.) - I contacted local highschools to have their support and they were "not against". - EPC folder has been recalled to our Mayor and forwarded to our Regional "Minister-President". I hope we'll get help from the Region too. Other news will follow. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon Mar 4 09:47:32 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:47:32 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] P3B In-Reply-To: <20020302151347.Q21488@carolo.net> Message-ID: > Other news will follow. As good as these ones ? :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From jacek@artymiak.com Mon Mar 4 21:35:13 2002 From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak) Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 20:35:13 -0100 Subject: [EuroPython] PressReleasePolish Message-ID: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com> Hi, I just wanted to let you know that the Polish Press Release for the conference can be found at http://www.devguide.net/conferences/europython-2002.htm Best, -- Jacek Artymiak From Tom Deprez" Hi, Can somebody please tell me whom I've to contact to set up a gadfly database (ie create just a file at the server) and things concerning available databases on the server.... it's kind of urgent, since I would like to move on with those parts. I'm trying to contact the people of ShareIt, concerning if it is possible to have a 'entrance card' as a product... I've looked at their site, but they always talke about shareware programs, with programs as in applications to sell. So I'm not totally sure if we can use ShareIt for registration payment. Anybody experience with ShareIt in this context? Regards, tom From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 4 21:16:05 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:16:05 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] HELP References: <00fc01c1c3b0$1ddf5300$908d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3C83E415.8BC9A20@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > I'm trying to contact the people of ShareIt, concerning if it is possible to > have a 'entrance card' as a product... I've looked at their site, but they > always talke about shareware programs, with programs as in applications to > sell. So I'm not totally sure if we can use ShareIt for registration > payment. Anybody experience with ShareIt in this context? They provide all the means for selling applications, but you don't really have to use all the different options, e.g. you can set up a product and then email them a file with keys (one line per key) which they then email to the customer and your email address. Later on, you can download the sales report and have the name, address and key of all the persons who have bought the preregistration tickets. FYI, I use such a setup for support tickets and it works just fine. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From spirou@colnet.carolo.net Tue Mar 5 00:44:03 2002 From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 01:44:03 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] PressReleasePolish In-Reply-To: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com> References: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com> Message-ID: <20020305014403.G21488@carolo.net> Le Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 08:35:13PM -0100, Jacek Artymiak pianota: > Hi, > > I just wanted to let you know that the Polish Press Release for > the conference can be found at > http://www.devguide.net/conferences/europython-2002.htm Thank you Jacek. (Wouldn't you put it in the wiki ?) Does someone from the WebTeam take care of integrating Jacek's translation ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Tue Mar 5 08:16:57 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:16:57 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] HELP References: <00fc01c1c3b0$1ddf5300$908d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3C847EF9.C991A18E@onera.fr> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi, > > Can somebody please tell me whom I've to contact to set up a gadfly database > (ie create just a file at the server) and things concerning available > databases on the server.... it's kind of urgent, since I would like to move > on with those parts. > We're using Gadfly for years here. What' the problem ? Do you want some set up example ? A DB schema ? Web interface through Python cgi ? I've not a lot of time but just ask ;) Marcvs [alias Code that runs or kilograms (or pounds) of emails] From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 5 08:22:59 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:22:59 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] call for papers todo In-Reply-To: <3C7DF2F6.1C63B7C5@lemburg.com> References: <20020227225019.GD32295@vet.uu.nl> <3C7DF2F6.1C63B7C5@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020305082259.GA22483@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > We need to do a bunch of things before we can put out a call for papers: > > I'd add: > > * determine which tracks will present the papers (the Python track > probably...) I just mean a 'call for talks', perhaps, not so much a call for papers. We need to work this out. But what I want to do is call for people who want to organize talks. Added a point on this to the wiki. > Can you put this in the wiki as well ? Done (finally): http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/CallForPapersTodo Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 5 08:25:31 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:25:31 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] call for papers todo In-Reply-To: <200202281012.g1SACxtB028270@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <20020227225019.GD32295@vet.uu.nl> <200202281012.g1SACxtB028270@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020305082530.GB22483@vet.uu.nl> Laura Creighton wrote: > Does this mean the March 15 deadline for paper proposals has slipped? > I want to present a paper, but this month is hell for me. I don't want > to make the time for this, bump other things, and then find out I didn't > need to start writing it until April. I wasn't aware that we had a firm deadline for this yet. I think the march 20 deadline (set in Nicholas' proposal) is only a proposal. Anyway, I think we should slip that deadline to at least some point in april. The call hasn't even gotten out yet! Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 5 08:27:08 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:27:08 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Track Length (paper/tutorial submission form) In-Reply-To: <3C7E0DD9.B96EF359@lemburg.com> References: <3C7A3974.EB7ADA7D@lemburg.com> <3C7CC5FC.2773FEE7@lemburg.com> <20020227224418.GC32295@vet.uu.nl> <20020228041956.F21488@carolo.net> <3C7DF226.F5BC6A2E@lemburg.com> <200202281042.g1SAgftB028476@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3C7E0DD9.B96EF359@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020305082708.GC22483@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Laura Creighton wrote: > > > > > Denis Fr?re wrote: > > > > Good question. > > > > Will we want sandwiches, buffet, warm restaurant-like meal ? > > > > Warm restaurant-like meals for 400 people with varying dietary > > restrictions is a nightmare. > > I was thinking of a buffet which gets organized by some local > (not too expensive) restaurant -- I don't think anyone in the > team is willing to do sandwiches for 400+ people ;-) > > The local team we'll just have to find a restaurant, ask them > about the costs per person and add this on top of the conference > price. Can someone create a food and catering page in the wiki if there isn't one already? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 5 08:29:28 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:29:28 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget In-Reply-To: <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com> References: <022101c1c0aa$d835c3a0$f28c84d5@skullsplitter> <3C7F4063.A8DB5BE8@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020305082928.GD22483@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > 1. When will be the deadline for bringing in papers > > I still believe that for the first conference we should not > have refereed papers. It just takes too much effort to get this > right... maybe just me, though. > Anyway, given that you typically have two rounds before final > acceptance, the submission deadline should probably be around > April 1st, the second around 1st of May. Then we should do a call for 'talks', and not do refereed papers. This is fine with me, and we can rename the 'call for papers' to something like 'call for speakers' or whatever that's commonly called. > > 2. How much will the confernce cost per person > > Hard to tell. > > How far has the budget team reached consensus on this ? > If not, then please make this top priority ! Preparing a budget is indeed the top priority in my mind. > I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for > students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate, > this is just pie-in-the-sky talk. Yes, agreed, we need a budget; perhaps we can halve this or have to double it, and we just have no idea right now. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 5 08:37:35 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:37:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration In-Reply-To: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I was working on a pre-registration form > (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some > good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following > questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?; > Which countries are represented?; > With the email address we can invite people to register when the real > registration form is ready. Perhaps to be sure add a checkbox saying 'don't set me any email ever' with some description about the kind of email we would send if that was left unchecked. The form looks good. We may want to get somekind of list of countries instead of having it free form, so we can later easily query for country information. The 'amount' thing is a bit tricky. While it is convenient to register groups..hm.. Oh, well, perhaps leaving it in is easiest overall. Someone can fill in 1000 but we can filter for that in the query. > But, in order to go further, I've some basic questions. I came to the > following points. > > Owners of the server > --------------------- [who to contact] In general, if we want something with amaze, contact ivo@amaze.nl directly by email (don't cc to the list). If he doesn't reply, just contact me and I'll contact him. It looks like we can add MySQL and Postgres connections, now only a database we can connect to and we're set. Perhaps I'm behind and Ivo already responded. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 5 09:45:35 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 10:45:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > I was working on a pre-registration form > > (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some > > good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following > > questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?; > > Which countries are represented?; > > With the email address we can invite people to register when the real > > registration form is ready. Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools to set up the web-page. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 5 10:38:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 11:38:39 +0100 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Pre-registration References: Message-ID: <3C84A02F.AD43EC6E@lemburg.com> Andrew Smart wrote: > > > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg > > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > > to set up the web-page. > > Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the > possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a > news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of > people which may or may not come. Ah, ok. Good idea ! > Needed for budget and organisation. > > Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted > fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all. True. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Tue Mar 5 10:11:26 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:11:26 +0100 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Budget In-Reply-To: <20020305082928.GD22483@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > Auftrag von Martijn Faassen > Gesendet: Dienstag, 5. Marz 2002 09:29 > An: M.-A. Lemburg > Cc: Tom Deprez; europython@python.org > Betreff: Re: [EuroPython] Budget > > > > How far has the budget team reached consensus on this ? > > If not, then please make this top priority ! > > Preparing a budget is indeed the top priority in my mind. I've been down under with work a bit, sorry for that. To have an idea how much to take we need to have some data about costs. Especially what CEME will take for the rooms, how much we should plan for food and hard/software equipment. Then we have an idea about costs, and then we have an idea about how much to take. > > I think USD 100 per day, USD 250 for the event, half for > > students make a good scheme, but without a budget estimate, > > this is just pie-in-the-sky talk. Budget estimates are always "pie-in-the-sky's" :-) But you can make an "sound's good" estimate, though. I can do that, but I need some basic data, as described above. Andrew From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Tue Mar 5 10:11:24 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:11:24 +0100 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Pre-registration In-Reply-To: <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > to set up the web-page. Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of people which may or may not come. Needed for budget and organisation. Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all. Andrew From spirou@colnet.carolo.net Tue Mar 5 11:57:18 2002 From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 12:57:18 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget In-Reply-To: References: <20020305082928.GD22483@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020305125718.L21488@carolo.net> Le Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:11:26AM +0100, Andrew Smart pianota: > > To have an idea how much to take we need to have some data about costs. > Especially what CEME will take for the rooms, how much we should plan for > food and hard/software equipment. I wish I could answer. Please, write the budget points in the wiki, I'll try to fill the white spaces. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <3C847EF9.C991A18E@onera.fr> Message-ID: <008001c1c47e$a4f8b290$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> I just want to be able to use a gadfly database on the europython.org site. In order for that a txt file has to be created in the var/gadfly subdirectory of the server (correct me if I'm wrong), so this file can hold the gadfly database. Since I'm not able to access the server directly (which I don't need anyway), I'm not able to create that file, so I'm not able to use gadfly as a database on EuroPython to collect possible visitors. The email below is a question directed to owners of the server on which europython.org resides, so that they can create a txt file on the var/gadfly directory. If this is done, I can move on. I could use the 'demo instance', but I would rather like to use a seperate file. eg EuroPython Thanks in advance! Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Poinot" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] HELP > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > Can somebody please tell me whom I've to contact to set up a gadfly database > > (ie create just a file at the server) and things concerning available > > databases on the server.... it's kind of urgent, since I would like to move > > on with those parts. > > > We're using Gadfly for years here. What' the problem ? Do you want some set up > example ? A DB schema ? Web interface through Python cgi ? > > I've not a lot of time but just ask ;) > > Marcvs [alias Code that runs or kilograms (or pounds) of emails] > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> > > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > I was working on a pre-registration form > > > (http://www.europython.org/preregistration). I think this will give us some > > > good information to use with discussion etc. It should answer following > > > questions: How many people will attend?; Which organisations will attend?; > > > Which countries are represented?; > > > With the email address we can invite people to register when the real > > > registration form is ready. > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > to set up the web-page. > no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'. We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come.... So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come or not. (see previous mails) Regards, tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00c801c1c47f$8ab3bb90$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> > > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg > > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > > to set up the web-page. > > Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the > possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a > news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of > people which may or may not come. > > Needed for budget and organisation. > > Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted > fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all. > Correct, see one of my previous mails when I mention about this form. > Andrew > From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 5 20:30:59 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:30:59 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3C852B03.1BB188DE@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > > to set up the web-page. > > > no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'. > We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come.... > So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come > or not. (see previous mails) Hmm, to avoid confusion among casual visitors, I'd rename the form to something different. What we really want to is to get a feeling for the number of possible attendees, so why not call it "poll" or something similar ?! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> <3C852B03.1BB188DE@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <012f01c1c489$47dc2d20$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> Yes,.... Poll would be better... Thanks! Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: "Martijn Faassen" ; Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Pre-registration > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > > > to set up the web-page. > > > > > no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'. > > We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come.... > > So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come > > or not. (see previous mails) > > Hmm, to avoid confusion among casual visitors, I'd rename the > form to something different. What we really want to is to get > a feeling for the number of possible attendees, so why > not call it "poll" or something similar ?! > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org Tue Mar 5 21:07:50 2002 From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 22:07:50 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration In-Reply-To: <012f01c1c489$47dc2d20$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C852B03.1BB188DE@lemburg.com> <012f01c1c489$47dc2d20$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: Le Mardi 5 Mars 2002 22:04, Tom Deprez a =E9crit : > Yes,.... Poll would be better... Good idea. (Hello, I am back after a too long time away from the list. I'll try to c= atch=20 up) On top of the poll, I propose to make some assumptions and go on for the=20 budget on that basis, assuming a need for every participant, some money e= ach=20 would/could bring and put together some figures. I'll try to do that for newt monday. Best regards, Nicolas --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels From Tom Deprez" Hi, Here the reply of ShareIt. I'm not sure if this is the best option for our pre-registration. I don't know if it is interesting for the short period of our 'product' ie the pre-registration. Comments please, thanks! Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shareit sales" To: "Tom Deprez" Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:25 PM Subject: Re: becomming a member of share-it > Dear Mr. Deprez, > > Thank you for your for your interest in ShareIt!. We welcome your questions > and are interested in learning more about your company, and how we may be > able to help you with the sale of your product. > > Initially we must mention that ShareIt! is, by definition, a service > designed predominantly for shareware authors to distribute and sell their > software electronically over the Internet. We have, however, provided > service for a few non-software merchants in the past with varying degrees > of success. > > In order to minimize any potential problems that both ShareIt! and the > non-software merchants have experienced in the past, we would like to > communicate some of the limitations and conditions of using our service for > products other than software. > > Because the product that you would like to list is not electronic software, > we cannot make any adaptations to our electronic notification system to > specify your product as a non-software product. > > This is significant because the text message to your customers notifying > them of their purchase instructs them specifically toward the registration > of software. We expect this could lead to confusion for your customers. > > If you explain on your web site, very precisely, that you are using > ShareIt! - A shareware registration service, to accept orders for your > company their confusion should be minimized. > Additionally, we ask that you also make special note on your web site that > ShareIt! will bill their credit card through our European office. Their > credit card statement will display the billing item as "www.shareit.com > Koln DE." > > Again, this measure helps to reduce confusion for your customers, while > also reducing your risk of chargebacks from customers that do not > understand a billing from a service primarily devoted to electronic shareware. > ShareIt! has a variety of delivery options in practice for our software > developers. After a payment has been processed, we will deliver one of the > following message types to your customer, by email, to complete your > customer's order in our system. > > - A license key from a generator or key list. > - The full version of software as a temporary download link. > - An attachment to an email message of 700 kB or less. > - The full version of a software as a temporary download link as well as a > license key from a generator or key list. > - A simple notification message that will notify the customer to expect > delivery > of their product either > - within 48 hours, for electronic deliveries, > - within 2 weeks when the product is delivered by postal mail. > > Additionally, a simple notification email message is also sent to you to > notify you that an order has been placed for your customer, and that we > have delivered the information you have instructed us to, or to notify you > to deliver the product yourself if you choose to deliver your own products > via postal mail or electronically. > > If you find these conditions agreeable, and can choose one of our delivery > options to help you with the sale of your product, we would welcome your > response. > > Finally, before we can reach a decision to accept your non-software > product, we would like to ask for some additional information from you. > Could you please provide us with your current monthly sales level and a > projection of future sales? > > Thank you for your cooperation. We look forward to hearing from you. > > Kind regards, > > Nina Breuer > ______________________________________________________________________ > > ShareIt! - your global partner for selling shareware > http://www.shareit.com > ShareIt! - a service of element 5 > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > At 12:17 AM 3/2/02 +0100, you wrote: > >Dear, > > > >We would like to use your product, but we don't know if the service we like > >to offer to our web-visitors is available through ShareIt, since we aren't > >selling shareware programs. > >We're organizing a congress (www.europython.org) and would like to offer > >people the change to order online tickets for the congress. > >Since this isn't a type of shareware programs, we wonder if the service (ie > >registration and buying tickets to our website visitors) is possible with > >ShareIt. > >If so, then what are the costs behind all this? > > > >Thanks in advance, > >Tom Deprez > From mal@lemburg.com Wed Mar 6 19:29:10 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 20:29:10 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Here the reply of ShareIt. I'm not sure if this is the best option for our > pre-registration. > I don't know if it is interesting for the short period of our 'product' ie > the pre-registration. > > Comments please, thanks! ShareIT is by far the best "value for the money" option there is. Also, you can adapt the cart to your needs as necessary; even the emails sent out to the customers. As long as you describe the whole signup process on the web-site I don't see any problem with it. Customers (attendees in this case) get a unique key id which you provide to ShareIT and they can then use this ID at the registration booth at the conference. Alternatively, you could setup a PDF generation tool on the web-site which allows creating entry tickets using these key ids. Too much trouble trouble though, if you ask me. Attendees should simply print out the email and bring it to the conference as entry ticket. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr Wed Mar 6 20:10:55 2002 From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn) Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 21:10:55 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> > As long as you describe the whole signup process on the web-site > I don't see any problem with it. Customers (attendees in this case) > get a unique key id which you provide to ShareIT and they can then > use this ID at the registration booth at the conference. I agree What about PayPal ? From mal@lemburg.com Wed Mar 6 21:06:40 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2002 22:06:40 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> Message-ID: <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com> Olivier Deckmyn wrote: > > > As long as you describe the whole signup process on the web-site > > I don't see any problem with it. Customers (attendees in this case) > > get a unique key id which you provide to ShareIT and they can then > > use this ID at the registration booth at the conference. > > I agree > > What about PayPal ? That's an option for US attendees -- it's too expensive for EU residents. Still, we could offer PayPal as second option; setup is just as easy. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From dario@ita.chalmers.se Thu Mar 7 08:38:42 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:38:42 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <005d01c1c5b3$7cfce190$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> From: "M.-A. Lemburg" > Olivier Deckmyn wrote: > > What about PayPal ? > > That's an option for US attendees -- it's too expensive for EU > residents. Still, we could offer PayPal as second option; setup > is just as easy. > hm... what about Kagi? http://ww.kagi.com/ are they too expensive? /dario From odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr Thu Mar 7 08:57:05 2002 From: odeckmyn.list@teaser.fr (Olivier Deckmyn) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:57:05 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com> <005d01c1c5b3$7cfce190$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <009701c1c5b6$0e5ead10$6300010a@kashmir> > hm... what about Kagi? > > http://ww.kagi.com/ Must be http://www.kagi.com/ !? ;-) > > are they too expensive? > > /dario > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Thu Mar 7 11:04:18 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 12:04:18 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Fw: becomming a member of share-it References: <01ce01c1c542$baa78a20$2b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3C866E06.F51351CC@lemburg.com> <00b701c1c54b$0c493d30$6300010a@kashmir> <3C8684E0.4A73294B@lemburg.com> <005d01c1c5b3$7cfce190$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <3C874932.4750EC0B@lemburg.com> Dario Lopez-K=E4sten wrote: >=20 > From: "M.-A. Lemburg" >=20 > > Olivier Deckmyn wrote: > > > What about PayPal ? > > > > That's an option for US attendees -- it's too expensive for EU > > residents. Still, we could offer PayPal as second option; setup > > is just as easy. > > > hm... what about Kagi? >=20 > http://www.kagi.com/ >=20 > are they too expensive? Yes ! Just compare their fees to ShareIT or even PayPal. --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From semiller@pacbell.net Fri Mar 8 00:41:15 2002 From: semiller@pacbell.net (semiller@pacbell.net) Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:41:15 -0800 Subject: [EuroPython] How to Kill Abuse and Violence Message-ID: http://howtokillviolence.com From jacek@artymiak.com Fri Mar 8 18:21:01 2002 From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:21:01 -0100 Subject: [EuroPython] PressReleasePolish In-Reply-To: <20020305014403.G21488@carolo.net>; from spirou@colnet.carolo.net on Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:44:03AM +0100 References: <20020304203513.G12625@skuba.h--y.com> <20020305014403.G21488@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020308172101.G20591@skuba.h--y.com> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:44:03AM +0100, Denis wrote: > Thank you Jacek. > (Wouldn't you put it in the wiki ?) Done. -- Jacek Artymiak writer, author, developer, consultant --------------------------- e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com --------------------------- www: http://www.artymiak.com --------------------------- From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Mar 8 16:22:27 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:22:27 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration In-Reply-To: References: <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020308162227.GA6619@vet.uu.nl> Andrew Smart wrote: > > > Auftrag von M.-A. Lemburg > > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > > to set up the web-page. > > Hmm... my idea was that we have a form which give interested people the > possibility to say "I'll come, maybe, I'm interested, mail me if there a > news etc.". This gives us the possibility to get a idea of the count of > people which may or may not come. > > Needed for budget and organisation. Yes, that is what we need. Let's not call that 'pre-registration' if that gives rise to confusion. > Hmm.. there can be something like "early bird" registration, to a discounted > fee... but not yet, please, since we don't know the entrance fee at all. Agreed. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Mar 8 16:27:48 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 17:27:48 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-registration In-Reply-To: <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <063801c1c17f$dd9ee530$b68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020305083735.GE22483@vet.uu.nl> <3C8493BF.881B68E7@lemburg.com> <00c701c1c47f$87900d60$f68c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020308162748.GB6619@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Isn't pre-registration available for money only ? In that case, > > I'd leave all the form design to ShareIT and use their tools > > to set up the web-page. > > > no, perhaps I should have name it 'pre-pre-registration'. > We're in terrible need to get a figure on how many people might come.... > So on this form nobody has to pay yet, they only have to tell if they come > or not. (see previous mails) If nobody can come up with a better description, say something like 'Register Interest' or 'Intent to Come' form, with some description on what is it for. With also a checkbox for those who do want to register interest but absolutely want no mail from us whatsoever. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Ok, Until the database installation is finished, we can't start with the poll for 'how many people intend to come'. But, we can vote for the logo and layout. Until now we've the following possebilities : http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/DesignTeam I've contacted dagmar.kolb@just-ad.de as well to put his logo's somewhere online, but it looks like until now, he didn't find the time to do it. (I've contacted him with the message that voting has started) Do other people have his logo's in their mailbox? If so, please add them to the wiki and give them a voting character I think we can't wait further for other proposals. However, if someone is still able to provide a layout/logo, hurry and put your proposal on the above wiki, along with a voting character . Let us keep the voting simple (since we don't have any other tools available and lets move this thing on). If you go to the above link, you 'll get links to the proposed logo's and layouts. I gave each a letter. Enter in the below questions the proposal of the logo and layout you like the most (ie just give the character) Please reply to this message: Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite ------------------------------------------------------- Your votes: Logo : Layout : Regards, Tom. From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org Sun Mar 10 17:21:53 2002 From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 18:21:53 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: Le Dimanche 10 Mars 2002 02:11, Tom Deprez a =E9crit : > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Your votes: > > Logo : B > Layout : B as in http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 Thank you for your effort (especially Tom and the other designers) Nicolas Pettiaux --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels From denis@aragne.com Sun Mar 10 21:02:22 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 22:02:22 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020310220222.E6481@carolo.net> Le Sun, Mar 10, 2002 at 02:11:15AM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota: > Ok, > > Until the database installation is finished, we can't start with the > poll for 'how many people intend to come'. Ivo, please ... > But, we can vote for the logo and layout. > [...] > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Your votes: Logo : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/logo_epc2002_mini.gif Layout : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 (Look out : in Linux/Netscape 4.77 the menu on the left is fine, but in Linux/Mozilla 0.9.7 it's spanned on the whole page length) Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Mon Mar 11 08:51:12 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:51:12 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic Message-ID: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> I wonder if it's possible to have a kind of "formal" agreement letter for Europython speakers. I've contacted Paul Dubois for the scientific topic, and he requires a "formal" letter in order to make some official papers for his labo. He has to have this the sooner the better... Did anyone at P3B could sign such a letter ? Marcvs [alias I can write it and fax it to P3B if you don't already have that kind of letter] From denis@aragne.com Mon Mar 11 09:27:04 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:27:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic In-Reply-To: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> Message-ID: <20020311102704.A21000@carolo.net> Le Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 09:51:12AM +0100, Marc Poinot pianota: > > I wonder if it's possible to have a kind of "formal" agreement letter > [...] > Did anyone at P3B could sign such a letter ? > > [alias I can write it and fax it to P3B if you don't already > have that kind of letter] Good idea : write it and send it by mail (I don't like fax) so we're sure the letter contains just what you need. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 11 09:28:19 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:28:19 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> Message-ID: <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> Marc Poinot wrote: > > I wonder if it's possible to have a kind of "formal" agreement letter > for Europython speakers. I've contacted Paul Dubois for the scientific > topic, and he requires a "formal" letter in order to make some > official papers for his labo. He has to have this the sooner the better... > > Did anyone at P3B could sign such a letter ? What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract between P3B and the speaker ? If so, then Tim and I will need such letters too for the business track. (Nobody has yet asked for these yet, though) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From hinsen@cnrs-orleans.fr Mon Mar 11 09:37:01 2002 From: hinsen@cnrs-orleans.fr (Konrad Hinsen) Date: 11 Mar 2002 10:37:01 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic In-Reply-To: <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> Message-ID: "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract > between P3B and the speaker ? I don't know in Paul's case, but we have similar requirements here in my lab, it's probably part of government-lab bureaucracy. Whenever I go to a conference in another country, I need to provide evidence that there is actually a conference and that I am involved with it. It is not a contract of any legal value, merely a proof that I am not going on vacation. Konrad. -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Konrad Hinsen | E-Mail: hinsen@cnrs-orleans.fr Centre de Biophysique Moleculaire (CNRS) | Tel.: +33-2.38.25.56.24 Rue Charles Sadron | Fax: +33-2.38.63.15.17 45071 Orleans Cedex 2 | Deutsch/Esperanto/English/ France | Nederlands/Francais ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Mon Mar 11 09:49:32 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:49:32 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3C8C7DAC.780C74C8@onera.fr> > What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract > between P3B and the speaker ? Well, you can see it as a kind of contract. I don't think you'll need this for every speaker, unless you're inviting them. In that case, they certainly would like to have a letter that confirm the fees will be re-imbursed by the conference organization. In the case you're flying for your company, you also have to justify your spent time. About Paul Dubois, it's a bit different, because his own lab is paying the flight to Lyon (Konrad have a conference with him). Like us, he's working for govt agencies (and/or research centers). Some of us may have to have a formal agreement before any talk, visit or meeting outside of our country. P.Dubois is working for US labs, (LNLL is a big lab in US), and he requires something that says that he's going to speak in Europe, for a Python-related conference. I'll send a letter example by email to Denis Frere (P3B). Denis, I think we'll have to check with Paul if all required informations are ok. Marcvs [alias But west coast has almost a whole day of ack delay] From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Mon Mar 11 09:52:18 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 10:52:18 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3C8C7E52.AE9739E7@onera.fr> Konrad Hinsen wrote: > > It is > not a contract of any legal value, merely a proof that I am not going > on vacation. > And as a matter of fact, going to Monterey, Boston or Kohln is not a vacation. Yes, we're working hard, no beer, no museums, no fun. Marcvs [alias By the way, any chance to have no fun in Charleroi ?] From denis@aragne.com Mon Mar 11 11:41:34 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 12:41:34 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Official Invitation [Was: Scientific topic] In-Reply-To: <3C8C7E52.AE9739E7@onera.fr> References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> <3C8C7E52.AE9739E7@onera.fr> Message-ID: <20020311124134.A21968@carolo.net> Le Mon, Mar 11, 2002 at 10:52:18AM +0100, Marc Poinot pianota: > Konrad Hinsen wrote: > >=20 > > It is > > not a contract of any legal value, merely a proof that I am not going > > on vacation. I've also been asked to send an official invitation to the Ministry of Labour of Nigeria ! (with copy to our embassy) They want to send 2 delegates. Perhaps the attending fee should be fixed if this letter is supposed to be used as an administrative "evidence". > Marcvs [alias By the way, any chance to have no fun in Charleroi ?] We've at least good beer and for the food, we're more influenced by the "cuisine fran=E7aise" than by the dutch one. Now, the point is : what do you need to have fun ? Is Python not enough ? ;-) Denis --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 11 12:22:24 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:24 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Scientific topic References: <3C8C7000.F42117F8@onera.fr> <3C8C78B3.FD1A0C07@lemburg.com> <3C8C7DAC.780C74C8@onera.fr> Message-ID: <3C8CA180.EE73DE5F@lemburg.com> Marc Poinot wrote: > > > What would be the content of such a letter ? Some kind of contract > > between P3B and the speaker ? > > Well, you can see it as a kind of contract. > I don't think you'll need this for every speaker, unless you're inviting > them. In that case, they certainly would like to have a letter that > confirm the fees will be re-imbursed by the conference organization. > In the case you're flying for your company, you also have to justify > your spent time. > > About Paul Dubois, it's a bit different, because his own lab is paying the > flight to Lyon (Konrad have a conference with him). > Like us, he's working for govt agencies (and/or research centers). Some of > us may have to have a formal agreement before any talk, visit or > meeting outside of our country. P.Dubois is working for US labs, > (LNLL is a big lab in US), and he requires something that says > that he's going to speak in Europe, for a Python-related conference. So it's more like a proof of attendance (and proof that speakers will not sit in the Chareleroi pubs *all* day long ;-). That's perfect; otherwise I still wouldn't know who is running the conference and whether I can send out "official" documents or not ;-) > I'll send a letter example by email to Denis Frere (P3B). Please also upload a copy as PDF somewhere so that we can use it as basis for all speakers. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 11 12:28:26 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:28:26 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> <20020310220222.E6481@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3C8CA2EA.56ACD927@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >=20 > > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Your votes: >=20 > Logo : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/logo_epc2002_mini.gif > Layout : http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 +1 --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From gotcha@swing.be Mon Mar 11 13:09:28 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:09:28 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EuroPython digest, Vol 1 #87 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020311140843.00a79478@pop.swing.be> > >Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite >------------------------------------------------------- > >Your votes: > >Logo : B >Layout : C >Regards, Tom. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon Mar 11 13:22:39 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 14:22:39 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Your votes: > > Logo : B > Layout : B or C (no A please !) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Mon Mar 11 14:27:21 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:27:21 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois) Message-ID: <3C8CBEC9.4A827EC6@onera.fr> Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois. Please correct my english... Important points are, names and responsabilities, no ambiguity. This is the kind of letters we're sending here. There are no legal points here about his talk copyright, can P3B put it on web site or not, can speaker put on his own site or not... I guess this is not relevant for an open source conference. This is raw ascii text, I can format it (Marc-Andre asked for PDF), but I've got nothing else but Word here... let me know. We have to have his ack before sending an official signed letter, I didn't sent it to him yet. Denis, let me know if I send it or if you do. Marcvs [alias Lines marked with # could be added/removed depending on budget... ] ------------ Denis Frere P3B (http://www.p3b.org) 9, rue de Colnet 6040 Charleroi Belgium Brussels, March 11th 2002. To: Mr Paul F. Dubois Dear Mr Paul Dubois, on behalf of the P3B association, organizer of the first EuroPython conference, I confirm you are invited for a talk about your experience of the use of the Python langage in the scientific community. This conference will take place in Charleroi, Belgium, from 26th to 28th of June. You will find all informations about the conference on its web site, at http://www.europython.org, but you certainly can contact us at any time if you have a question about your venue to this conference. The exact schedule of your talk is not yet decided, but it should take place in the "Scientific Python" topic, as an session opening talk. #The fees related to your come, including the return flight, hotel, conference #registration, and meals during the conference days, will be re-imbursed by #P3B up to an amount of 1500 euros. You would send related receipts to P3B. We wish to thank you for accepting to participate to this first Europython conference, Sincerely, Denis Frere ------------- From nicoe@wanadoo.be Mon Mar 11 21:04:12 2002 From: nicoe@wanadoo.be (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Nicolas_=C9vrard?=) Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 22:04:12 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Is the CEME easyly reachable by train ?? Message-ID: <20020311210411.GA17027@wanadoo.be> Hello everyone, I'm planning to go to the europython meeting (and I'm proud this will take place in my little country) but since I must come from Liege by train I was wandering if the CEME is easily reachable by train ?? 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In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020312081748.91860.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 13:22:24 +0100 > From: "M.-A. Lemburg" > Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH > To: Marc Poinot > CC: "europython@python.org" , > denis@aragne.com > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Scientific topic > So it's more like a proof of attendance (and proof > that speakers will not sit in the Chareleroi pubs >*all* day long > ;-). I should have thought that a pub would be a most appropriate location for the Python and Business presentation ... We could maybe even move around between pubs to keep participants' interest levels up .... and at least then you could guarantee the speakers would turn up! Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 12 12:19:37 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:19:37 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020312121937.GA19648@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Until the database installation is finished, we can't start with the poll > for 'how many people intend to come'. > But, we can vote for the logo and layout. > Until now we've the following possebilities : > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/DesignTeam > I've contacted dagmar.kolb@just-ad.de as well to put his logo's somewhere > online, but it looks like until now, he didn't find the time to do it. (I've > contacted him with the message that voting has started) She, not he, isn't it? > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Your votes: > > Logo : I like logo B. > Layout : I like layout A or B, though I can't see much difference between them. However, I don't like the sidebar ('home' and such), at least in my browser (mozilla based) 'home/conference/etc' are very very far apart, and you have to scroll down quite a bit to actually see it's a link. Those need to be on top. Layout C and D are better in that respect. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 12 12:22:36 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:22:36 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Is the CEME easyly reachable by train ?? In-Reply-To: <20020311210411.GA17027@wanadoo.be> References: <20020311210411.GA17027@wanadoo.be> Message-ID: <20020312122236.GB19648@vet.uu.nl> Nicolas ?vrard wrote: > I'm planning to go to the europython meeting (and I'm proud this will > take place in my little country) but since I must come from Liege by > train I was wandering if the CEME is easily reachable by train ?? > > I'm also ready to give the organisator some help (in the limits of my > timing). Perhaps once we find out the whole train issue (Charleroi is easily reachable by train, but don't know about CEME itself), you can write something up on it, and get it put on the website so others can also find out? Thanks for your help! Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 12 12:34:02 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:34:02 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] call for participation: moving ahead Message-ID: <20020312123401.GA19728@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Something else we should be moving ahead with quickly is the call for participation: * Is there a consensus about presentation length, tutorial length, and so on? * What should be the deadline? I imagine sometime in mid-april, giving people approximately a month to submit their proposals. * we won't be requiring a paper, but what will we require? What if some people do want to write a paper? We need to figure out something to do with them in that case. :) Please discuss, Martijn From oli@aragne.com Tue Mar 12 15:51:14 2002 From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 16:51:14 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <20020312121937.GA19648@vet.uu.nl>; from faassen@vet.uu.nl on Tue, Mar 12, 2002 at 01:19:37PM +0100 References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> <20020312121937.GA19648@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020312165114.A2127@debian> On mar, 12 mar 2002, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Tom Deprez wrote: > I like layout A or B, though I can't see much difference between them. > However, I don't like the sidebar ('home' and such), at least in my > browser (mozilla based) 'home/conference/etc' are very very far apart, > and you have to scroll down quite a bit to actually see it's a link. > Those need to be on top. Layout C and D are better in that respect. I changed the side bar to be like you want. I think it was not intended to be like that in fact. I can undo the change if it poses some problems in the votes. My votes: Logo B Layout B (the new one) -- Olivier Laurent. P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Ok, I received an answer form ShareIt and from Kagi. Both allow to set up a service as we want to do. Below is more information concerning ShareIt. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "shareit sales" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: Re: becomming a member of share-it Dear Tom, Thank you for explaining me your service. I think it is possible for you to use ShareIt! for your Service. The fees still apply as normal. Set up, ShareIt free Commission for each order US$2.95 + 4% per order, starting with the 1000th order of each month: US$1.95 + 4% Distributing your program via ShareIt! free Fees for issuing monthly payments to you: Transfer to your account (bank transfer) US $2 Check within the US free Check outside the US US $5 Please note that your local bank or an intermediary bank (e.g. our correspondence bank Chase in New York) might charge additional fees for wire transfers or writing out checks that are beyond our control. Please ask your bank about these charges, since they vary from bank to bank. In Order to finalize your account setup, please go to www.shareit.com/signup.html and provide us with some information we need for your account setup, it only takes a few minutes. Your account will be set up within 48 hours and then your´re ready to sell. You can also find further useful information at www.shareit.com/information_authors.html . Please let me know if you have any other questions or need further information. Kind regards, Nina Breuer ______________________________________________________________________ ShareIt! - your global partner for selling shareware http://www.shareit.com ShareIt! - a service of element 5 ______________________________________________________________________ At 08:05 PM 3/7/02 +0100, you wrote: >Dear Nina, > >Thank you for answering my mail. Here is more background on why we would >like to use ShareIt. > >We're setting up a congress concerning Python (www.python.org) and Zope >(www.zope.org) in Europe. It will be the first Python congress in Europe >(www.europython.org). >This congress will be at the end of June. We would like the visitors of our >upcomming site to be able to preregister for the congress. >So, they must be able to give their cridentials and pay the entrance fee. In >return they should get something (an eg unique ID), which they can bring >along to the congress and thus get entrance to the congress. > >This means that we'll only use for a certain (small period) of the services >of ShareIt. ie from now till the start of the congress. During that time, >people will be able to preregister for the congress. > >I hope I gave you the information you needed. Can we use the services of >ShareIt for this purpose? Do the costs still apply as normal? > >Thanks in advance, >Tom Deprez > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "shareit sales" >To: "Tom Deprez" >Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2002 12:25 PM >Subject: Re: becomming a member of share-it > > > > Dear Mr. Deprez, > > > > Thank you for your for your interest in ShareIt!. We welcome your >questions > > and are interested in learning more about your company, and how we may be > > able to help you with the sale of your product. > > > > Initially we must mention that ShareIt! is, by definition, a service > > designed predominantly for shareware authors to distribute and sell their > > software electronically over the Internet. We have, however, provided > > service for a few non-software merchants in the past with varying degrees > > of success. > > > > In order to minimize any potential problems that both ShareIt! and the > > non-software merchants have experienced in the past, we would like to > > communicate some of the limitations and conditions of using our service >for > > products other than software. > > > > Because the product that you would like to list is not electronic >software, > > we cannot make any adaptations to our electronic notification system to > > specify your product as a non-software product. > > > > This is significant because the text message to your customers notifying > > them of their purchase instructs them specifically toward the registration > > of software. We expect this could lead to confusion for your customers. > > > > If you explain on your web site, very precisely, that you are using > > ShareIt! - A shareware registration service, to accept orders for your > > company their confusion should be minimized. > > Additionally, we ask that you also make special note on your web site that > > ShareIt! will bill their credit card through our European office. Their > > credit card statement will display the billing item as "www.shareit.com > > Koln DE." > > > > Again, this measure helps to reduce confusion for your customers, while > > also reducing your risk of chargebacks from customers that do not > > understand a billing from a service primarily devoted to electronic >shareware. > > ShareIt! has a variety of delivery options in practice for our software > > developers. After a payment has been processed, we will deliver one of the > > following message types to your customer, by email, to complete your > > customer's order in our system. > > > > - A license key from a generator or key list. > > - The full version of software as a temporary download link. > > - An attachment to an email message of 700 kB or less. > > - The full version of a software as a temporary download link as well as a > > license key from a generator or key list. > > - A simple notification message that will notify the customer to expect > > delivery > > of their product either > > - within 48 hours, for electronic deliveries, > > - within 2 weeks when the product is delivered by postal mail. > > > > Additionally, a simple notification email message is also sent to you to > > notify you that an order has been placed for your customer, and that we > > have delivered the information you have instructed us to, or to notify you > > to deliver the product yourself if you choose to deliver your own products > > via postal mail or electronically. > > > > If you find these conditions agreeable, and can choose one of our delivery > > options to help you with the sale of your product, we would welcome your > > response. > > > > Finally, before we can reach a decision to accept your non-software > > product, we would like to ask for some additional information from you. > > Could you please provide us with your current monthly sales level and a > > projection of future sales? > > > > Thank you for your cooperation. We look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Kind regards, > > > > Nina Breuer > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > ShareIt! - your global partner for selling shareware > > http://www.shareit.com > > ShareIt! - a service of element 5 > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > At 12:17 AM 3/2/02 +0100, you wrote: > > >Dear, > > > > > >We would like to use your product, but we don't know if the service we >like > > >to offer to our web-visitors is available through ShareIt, since we >aren't > > >selling shareware programs. > > >We're organizing a congress (www.europython.org) and would like to offer > > >people the change to order online tickets for the congress. > > >Since this isn't a type of shareware programs, we wonder if the service >(ie > > >registration and buying tickets to our website visitors) is possible with > > >ShareIt. > > >If so, then what are the costs behind all this? > > > > > >Thanks in advance, > > >Tom Deprez > > From mal@lemburg.com Tue Mar 12 21:13:10 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 22:13:10 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] payment through internet References: <014f01c1c9f9$c1f58fa0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3C8E6F66.DFB4E2C3@lemburg.com> > Ok, > > I received an answer form ShareIt and from Kagi. > > Both allow to set up a service as we want to do. Below is more information > concerning ShareIt. What was the intention of this posting ? Kagi is much more expensive than ShareIT, so what's the question here ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <3C8E6F66.DFB4E2C3@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <01f701c1ca15$93c2ddb0$8a8d84d5@skullsplitter> urgh, nothing, I just wanted to share the information. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2002 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] payment through internet > > Ok, > > > > I received an answer form ShareIt and from Kagi. > > > > Both allow to set up a service as we want to do. Below is more information > > concerning ShareIt. > > What was the intention of this posting ? > > Kagi is much more expensive than ShareIT, so what's the question > here ? > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi, A) Ok, We've a postgressql database now! I've created a table for holding the data of possible congress visitors.I did some work on the 'Intent to Come' Form. Unfortunately, my knowledge of Formulator in conjunction with ZPT (concerning error validation) seems not that good :-(. Is there somebody who can give a hand, so that it is finished? See regInterest Folder on the EuroPython. B) Voting: Till now I only received 9 votes concerning the design of the website. Is it my idea that there is no interest? C) From the moment that the decision is made concerning the design, we need to do some serious work on the website to get it up and running. Do we still have the volunteers who were willing to give a hand at the start? Best Regards, Tom. From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 00:32:17 +0100, Tom Deprez wrote: >Till now I only received 9 votes concerning the design of the website. = Is it >my idea that there is no interest? No, just that the sane design is obvious, and people vote like they shou= ld vote. ;) Ciao, J=FCrgen From ct@gocept.com Fri Mar 15 08:16:09 2002 From: ct@gocept.com (Christian Theune) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:16:09 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] web : VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! In-Reply-To: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <00dd01c1c7d0$7bb8fb10$e98c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020315091609.A29635@pegasus.ct.gocept.com> Howdi * Tom Deprez [020310 01:20]: > Ok, > > Please reply to this message: mkay > Voting for layout and logo of the EuroPython WebSite > ------------------------------------------------------- > > Your votes: > > Logo : B > Layout : B > > Greetings Christian -- Christian Theune - ct@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co.kg - schalaunische strasse 6 - 06366 koethen/anhalt tel.+49 3496 3099112 - fax.+49 3496 3099118 mob. - 0178 48 33 981 reduce(lambda x,y:x+y,[chr(ord(x)^42) for x in 'zS^BED\nX_FOY\x0b']) From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 15 12:04:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:04:30 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois) References: <3C8CBEC9.4A827EC6@onera.fr> Message-ID: <3C91E34E.72FEAF29@lemburg.com> Marc Poinot wrote: > > Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois. > ... Does this letter fits Paul's needs ? If so, please add a text copy to the Wiki, so that we can use it as template and to be able to show speakers what they'll get. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 15 12:17:57 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 13:17:57 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] ConferenceTracks -- WebServices et al. Message-ID: <3C91E675.906969E@lemburg.com> Two questions: 1. Who will run the WebServices Track ? 2. Where should we submit proposal for talks ? The business track has setup a workflow for this, so it might be worth copying. If no-one volunteers, I'll ask Tim Couper if he wants to join me to run the track... Note that most other tracks don't have track champions yet. Neither is it clear where and how to propose talks. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be Fri Mar 15 15:38:59 2002 From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:38:59 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Comment repondre a un message ? Hoe antwoorden ? Message-ID: <02031516385905.01104@pc20_118> Je ne trouve pas de bouton pour r=E9pondre =E0 un message! Comment dois-je faire ? Ik vind geen knop om te antwoorden! Hoe moet ik doen ? Patrick Carabin. =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB =09=09=09=09=09=09Dala=EF Lama. From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be Fri Mar 15 15:50:55 2002 From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin) Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:50:55 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget Message-ID: <02031516505506.01104@pc20_118> How much do we have to pay to participate? TIA Patrick Carabin. Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20 http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/ Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20 http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20 =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB =09=09=09=09=09=09Dala=EF Lama. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00e701c1cc55$d82d79f0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Respond to which message? Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Carabin" To: Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:38 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Comment repondre a un message ? Hoe antwoorden ? Je ne trouve pas de bouton pour répondre à un message! Comment dois-je faire ? Ik vind geen knop om te antwoorden! Hoe moet ik doen ? Patrick Carabin. «Het geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.» «Le bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.» Dalaï Lama. _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi all! I've finished the 'Register Interest' form. It would be great that at least everybody on this list would fill it in to her/his intentions. I think this information will be very valuable for the organisation of the congress and the congress itself Go to http://europython.zope.nl/regInterest I think we waited long enough for collecting votes. Since we received only a meager amount of votes, we can assume that the rest agrees with the others: (In total 12 people responded) Logo : 12 votes in favor for logo B Layout: 8 votes in favor of layout B; 5 votes in favor for layout C; 1 vote in favor for layout D (yes, if you count the total of votes for the layouts you get more than 12... this is because some people favored for B and C, C and D, ...) I think we've a winner: http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 * Volunteers for incorporating this layout into EuroPython? * Vincent can you send us a Cascade Style Sheet we could use for the website? * Aragne @ Charleroi, can you create a page containing information of the hotels, the transportation possibilities (airplane, train, bus, ...) ? * What about the page concerning submitting of papers, etc? Shouldn't we post this one very soon? How far are we with that part? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Ok, I've incorporated the layout myself. Not everything is done: We should incorporate the CSS We should create the right boxes We should create one of the right boxes as news box. .... Volunteers? Regards, Tom From Tom Deprez" Ok, I've incorporated the layout myself. Not everything is done: We should incorporate the CSS We should create the right boxes We should create one of the right boxes as news box. .... Volunteers? Regards, Tom From denis@aragne.com Sat Mar 16 15:41:19 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 16:41:19 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite In-Reply-To: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net> Le Sat, Mar 16, 2002 at 03:08:26PM +0100, Tom Deprez pianota: > Hi all! Hello, Tom, > I've finished the 'Register Interest' form. Proficiaat. > I think we've a winner: http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 > [...] > * Volunteers for incorporating this layout into EuroPython? > * Vincent can you send us a Cascade Style Sheet we could use for the > website? Vincent was abroad these last days. As soon as he comes back he will take contact to help. > * Aragne @ Charleroi, can you create a page containing information of the > hotels, the transportation possibilities (airplane, train, bus, ...) ? We've contacted hotels and info-tourism center. We've collected some info and we're setting it up in a local wiki (English is a small problem for some of us). When it's done, it will be transmitted either in the EPC wiki, either directly in a www.europython.org page. > * What about the page concerning submitting of papers, etc? Shouldn't we > post this one very soon? How far are we with that part? CharleroiTeam will need *very* soon a good idea of the final program since it will decide : - how many usable rooms we need - which logistic must be involved (how many PC, overhead projectors, etc) Actively y'rs Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net> Message-ID: <00da01c1cd02$42548ab0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Vincent was abroad these last days. As soon as he comes back he will take contact to help. ok > > * Aragne @ Charleroi, can you create a page containing information of the > > hotels, the transportation possibilities (airplane, train, bus, ...) ? > > We've contacted hotels and info-tourism center. > We've collected some info and we're setting it up in a local wiki (English is a small problem for some of us). great. No problem. I can help with the translation. > When it's done, it will be transmitted either in the EPC wiki, either directly in a www.europython.org page. ok. Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sun Mar 17 20:55:33 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 21:55:33 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] website In-Reply-To: <00c401c1ccfb$7951dbf0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <00c401c1ccfb$7951dbf0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020317205532.GA14984@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I've incorporated the layout myself. Not everything is done: Great! I filled in the survey myself. Is there any way (besides SQL) to get at the results of the survey (some summary?). We should also send out the word. This could go together with the Call for Participation. I'm currently really busy with work, but I'll try to get the form done for that this week. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sun Mar 17 21:45:20 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:45:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Paul Everitt will speak! Message-ID: <20020317214520.GA15397@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Paul Everitt mailed me asking if he could speak at EuroPython. I told him yes! That's a good start for the Zope track. :) Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020317205532.GA14984@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <002401c1cdfd$8e033780$7d8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Great! Well, lot's of appreciation to you, since formulator is a great product. > I filled in the survey myself. Is there any way (besides SQL) to get at the results of the survey (some summary?). mmm, do you mean that you would like to have a result report? I didn't made one, since in fact most of it is just entering the select SQL and we have the needed information. Or would you like to show the amount of people on the webpage (ie only the amount per country, certainly not the personal information). I didn't do this yet, since I thought this poll was just for getting the organisators some really needed information. >We should also send out the word. This could go together with the Call for Participation. I'm currently really busy with work, but I'll try to get the form done for that this week. Yes, perhaps people can tell it to each other or announce it on different lists? Python lists, Zope lists? Regards, Tom From mal@lemburg.com Mon Mar 18 10:10:25 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:10:25 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3C95BD11.55275B0@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >=20 > > * What about the page concerning submitting of papers, etc? Shouldn't= we > > post this one very soon? How far are we with that part? >=20 > CharleroiTeam will need *very* soon a good idea of the final program si= nce > it will decide : > - how many usable rooms we need > - which logistic must be involved (how many PC, overhead projectors, > etc) The list has gone a bit too quiet on these issues lately. Looking at the Wiki, not even the track champions nor the proposal guidelines are mentioned for most tracks. This will definitely have to change ! So please everyone, speak up and volunteer to run a track. For the business track, we'll need one room for approx. 50-100 persons equipped with a beamer. --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon Mar 18 11:49:35 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 12:49:35 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite In-Reply-To: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > I think we've a winner: http://212.68.204.88:9673/europython2002/model02 Could we just remove the stars from the menu on the left side, as someone already suggested. I think they are a bit too much... but hey, I'm not part of the design team, am I ? ;-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue Mar 19 23:55:41 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:55:41 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers In-Reply-To: <3C95BD11.55275B0@lemburg.com> References: <008701c1ccf4$b5e6e8a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020316164119.E24353@carolo.net> <3C95BD11.55275B0@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > The list has gone a bit too quiet on these issues lately. Looking > at the Wiki, not even the track champions nor the proposal guidelines > are mentioned for most tracks. > > This will definitely have to change ! So please everyone, speak > up and volunteer to run a track. > > For the business track, we'll need one room for approx. > 50-100 persons equipped with a beamer. It's probably in part my fault that the list is too quiet; I've been particularly busy lately, and still will be until at least next week. A plan: * finish up the Call for Participation document http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/RequestForPapers (don't request papers, just request people to participate) * by the way, someone needs to update and drive this document: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceInformationRelease Though we may want to combine it with the former. See following items. * finish up the form to apply for a talk. This is not a technology issue; this is a 'what should be in the form' issue'. People please look at this form and suggest some improvements -- especially the suggested lengths of talks. Anyway, I should just finish it. :) http://europython.zope.nl/call_for_papers/index_html (to be renamed call for participation) * we already have Tom's form to register interest. http://europython.zope.nl/regInterest We only need to publicize this. I proposed a combined call for participation (attendees and people who'll give talks alike): The call for participation document needs a starting section that summarizes the conference. Point at Tom's form. Then continue on for those interested in talking, and point to the participation form. * peope managing the various tracks will also go and hunt for folks who already offered to talk so they can fill in the form. If necessary fill in the form for them. :) If there are people who would be able to give very interesting talks, the track people will have to contact them. * within a short time we hope to have a ballpark number of talks and size of tracks. * within a short time we'll have a ballpark number of people who want to just visit the conference. * that's what the Charleroi people need. What can be done right now is for people to go in and edit the documents to conform to the above plan. We also need to pick some new dates for the various things, as we're overdue on the dates listed in the wiki now. So if you're interested in helping, go ahead and do it. :) Note that I skipped over any translation issues; if people want to translate later on of course we should do so, but right now it's important to have an english version and to get it out to the door. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed Mar 20 00:02:09 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:02:09 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Please help: plan of action! Message-ID: <20020320000209.GA24349@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I posted a plan of action to the list just now, and I wikified it for all to see here: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PlanOfAction Please take a look and help out. The most urgent thing right now is for people to go in and edit the text of the call for participation, as described in the plan. The form to register interest to participate is also urgent. After that it'll be easy; we just spam all sorts of mailing lists with it again, and we'll put it on our homepage too. A news item on the homepage would become really useful now -- we could use it for neat little items like 'Paul Everitt will speak!' 'Come and meet Laura Creighton!' and so on. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Thu Mar 21 09:18:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 01:18:39 -0800 (PST) Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers In-Reply-To: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> --- Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > The list has gone a bit too quiet on these issues lately. Looking > > at the Wiki, not even the track champions nor the proposal guidelines > > are mentioned for most tracks. > > > > This will definitely have to change ! So please everyone, speak > > up and volunteer to run a track. > > > > For the business track, we'll need one room for approx. > > 50-100 persons equipped with a beamer. > > It's probably in part my fault that the list is too quiet; I've been > particularly busy lately, and still will be until at least next week. > > A plan: > > * finish up the Call for Participation document > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/RequestForPapers > > (don't request papers, just request people to participate) > > * by the way, someone needs to update and drive this document: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceInformationRelease > > Though we may want to combine it with the former. See following items. > > * finish up the form to apply for a talk. This is not a technology issue; > this is a 'what should be in the form' issue'. People please look at this > form and suggest some improvements -- especially the suggested lengths > of talks. Anyway, I should just finish it. :) > > http://europython.zope.nl/call_for_papers/index_html > > (to be renamed call for participation) Uhm, I am confused: why do you call this call for papers when you really want a call for talks ? BTW, I think all of this is too bureaucratic: just have the track champions manage the tracks and organize the talks (like e.g. Tim and I did for the business track). We really don't need any "form" of some kind -- personal contact is much more important here. > * we already have Tom's form to register interest. > > http://europython.zope.nl/regInterest > > We only need to publicize this. I proposed a combined call for > participation (attendees and people who'll give talks alike): > > The call for participation document needs a starting section that > summarizes the conference. Point at Tom's form. Then continue on > for those interested in talking, and point to the participation > form. > > * peope managing the various tracks will also go and hunt for folks who > already offered to talk so they can fill in the form. If necessary > fill in the form for them. :) If there are people who would be > able to give very interesting talks, the track people will have to > contact them. Right. Since nobody else volunteered, Tim and I will also play track champions for the Web Services track. > * within a short time we hope to have a ballpark number of talks and > size of tracks. > > * within a short time we'll have a ballpark number of people who want > to just visit the conference. > > * that's what the Charleroi people need. > > What can be done right now is for people to go in and edit the documents > to conform to the above plan. We also need to pick some new dates for > the various things, as we're overdue on the dates listed in the wiki > now. So if you're interested in helping, go ahead and do it. :) I'll edit the business track and web services track pages when I get home from London. Thanks, ===== Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Consulting & Company: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C1CFEA.9BE88B90-- From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Until now 30 people told they were interested in visiting EuroPython, with a total amount of 247 people. Someone entered an amount of 200 people, I'm not sure how to interprete that :-). So for a more accurate number, I would say till now, we may expect 48 people. I've announced the link on the zope@zope.org list. Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu Mar 21 21:05:35 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:05:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers In-Reply-To: <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl> <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020321210535.GA32273@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Uhm, I am confused: why do you call this call for papers when > you really want a call for talks ? I'm not, but I didn't write this document; it was already there. I figured we might be able to adapt it, but perhaps that's not necessary. > BTW, I think all of this is too bureaucratic: just have the track > champions manage the tracks and organize the talks (like e.g. > Tim and I did for the business track). We really don't need any > "form" of some kind -- personal contact is much more important > here. All right, that's fine with me as well. No form. But if we want to call for speakers and they should respond, how do we do this then? Somekind of call with a list of contacts (by email) would still be necessary. > Since nobody else volunteered, Tim and I will also play track > champions for the Web Services track. Great! :) I can play champion (along with Tom) for the Zope track, and I can probably also do something which I call the 'Python geek track' for want of a better word.. By this I mean language technology of interest, such as Psyco and Stackless, Jython perhaps if it doesn't get its own stuff, and perhaps something more library oriented as well. > I'll edit the business track and web services track pages > when I get home from London. Thanks, Martijn From jacek@artymiak.com Fri Mar 22 09:37:23 2002 From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:37:23 -0100 Subject: [EuroPython] More ideas Message-ID: <20020322083723.A18243@skuba.h--y.com> Hi, Here are more ideas for conference organizers http://tuxedo.org/~esr/writings/sfshows.html Hope this helps a little. -- Jacek Artymiak writer, author, developer, consultant -------- e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com -------- www: http://www.artymiak.com -------- From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri Mar 22 10:29:15 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:29:15 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Overview In-Reply-To: <019501c1d11a$50dcb140$978d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <019501c1d11a$50dcb140$978d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020322102915.GA1869@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Until now 30 people told they were interested in visiting EuroPython, with a > total amount of 247 people. Someone entered an amount of 200 people, I'm not > sure how to interprete that :-). So for a more accurate number, I would say > till now, we may expect 48 people. > I've announced the link on the zope@zope.org list. That should approve matters; but we really should get out a press release and announce it through regular Python channels. That'll significantly increase the list. :) Regards, Martijn From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri Mar 22 12:46:12 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:46:12 +0100 (CET) Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers In-Reply-To: <20020321210535.GA32273@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > also do something which I call the 'Python geek track' for want of a better > word.. By this I mean language technology of interest, such as Psyco and > Stackless, Jython perhaps if it doesn't get its own stuff, > and perhaps something more library oriented as well. I tried to invite Denys Duchier (of Mozart/Oz fame) and Christian Tismer (of Stackless fame) to talk about the niceties we would get by implementing constraint-propagation features on top of stackless microthreads, but haven't got an answer yet... Would be so cool, though ! Guido was cc'ed and advised me to create a SIG for it without waiting for EuroPython, but if the two guys above aren't interested, there isn't much I'll be able to do alone considering my current workload. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 22 20:52:24 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:52:24 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks & Papers References: <20020319235541.GA24244@vet.uu.nl> <20020321091839.38863.qmail@web20310.mail.yahoo.com> <20020321210535.GA32273@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3C9B9988.DD42680A@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Uhm, I am confused: why do you call this call for papers when > > you really want a call for talks ? > > I'm not, but I didn't write this document; it was already there. > I figured we might be able to adapt it, but perhaps that's not necessary. I see. > > BTW, I think all of this is too bureaucratic: just have the track > > champions manage the tracks and organize the talks (like e.g. > > Tim and I did for the business track). We really don't need any > > "form" of some kind -- personal contact is much more important > > here. > > All right, that's fine with me as well. No form. But if we want to call > for speakers and they should respond, how do we do this then? > Somekind of call with a list of contacts (by email) would still be necessary. It's usually easiest to simply contact potential speakers by email directly -- personal contacts usually help more than some official posting to some mailing list :-) > > Since nobody else volunteered, Tim and I will also play track > > champions for the Web Services track. > > Great! :) > > I can play champion (along with Tom) for the Zope track, and I can probably > also do something which I call the 'Python geek track' for want of a better > word.. By this I mean language technology of interest, such as Psyco and > Stackless, Jython perhaps if it doesn't get its own stuff, > and perhaps something more library oriented as well. > > > I'll edit the business track and web services track pages > > when I get home from London. Just did. I'm going away for one week on holidays. After that I expect that Tim and I will start talking to speakers for the web services track as well. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri Mar 22 20:59:22 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 21:59:22 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Switched track slots: Web Services and Python in Business Message-ID: <3C9B9B2A.BD44D55C@lemburg.com> FYI, we switched the slots for the "web services" and "Python in Business tracks" in the time table, so that the new layout now is: * Python in Business in the AM session on conference day 1 * Web Services in the AM session on conference day 2 The reason is that we may not find enough speakers for the web services session and would like to use the spare time for a round table like discussion for Python in Business participants. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From jacek@artymiak.com Sun Mar 24 23:12:14 2002 From: jacek@artymiak.com (Jacek Artymiak) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:12:14 -0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Python in Computer Graphics Message-ID: <20020324221214.C20871@skuba.h--y.com> Hi, I wonder if someone (Laura, Tim, Marc?) could can answer the following questions: What sort of facilities will be available for tutors at the Charleroi Conference Center? Will there be computers available for (at least a part of) the audience, or just for the tutors? Or should the tutors/attendees bring their own machines? Also, how long will the tutorial sessions be? Thanks, -- Jacek Artymiak writer, author, developer, consultant -------- e-mail: jacek@artymiak.com -------- www: http://www.artymiak.com -------- From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Sun Mar 24 21:53:33 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:53:33 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Book distributor booth at EPC? Message-ID: <3C9E4ADD.74D25B77@darwin.in-berlin.de> Hi, as, apparently, O'Reilly.co.uk (also dealing with Belgium) isn't quite interested to sponsor EPC there is an offer of a Belgian book distributor, that I've forwarded to Tom and Denis, but didn't get any response to. If anybody from Bel- gium is willing to handle this I'm happy to pass over the contact plus a list of 62 proposed books (offered at 10% reduction) for some kind of booth at EPC. Please email me! Regards, Dinu From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <001b01c1d380$2bdb46f0$8d8c84d5@skullsplitter> I've talked to Denis about this and he was going to contact the publisher. Kind Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dinu Gherman" To: Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:53 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Book distributor booth at EPC? > Hi, > > as, apparently, O'Reilly.co.uk (also dealing with Belgium) > isn't quite interested to sponsor EPC there is an offer of > a Belgian book distributor, that I've forwarded to Tom and > Denis, but didn't get any response to. If anybody from Bel- > gium is willing to handle this I'm happy to pass over the > contact plus a list of 62 proposed books (offered at 10% > reduction) for some kind of booth at EPC. Please email me! > > Regards, > > Dinu > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be Mon Mar 25 09:30:40 2002 From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 10:30:40 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Overview In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <02032510304100.01141@pc20_118> >> 3. Overview ( Tom Deprez en Martijn Faassen )=20 Je suis int=E9ress=E9 =E0 participer, mais je ne sais pas combien =E7a co= =FBte,=20 je dois le savoir rapidement ( pour en parler =E0 mon patron et =E0 mes=20 coll=E8gues: 3 pourraient =EAtre int=E9ress=E9s ). Je devrais aussi savoi= r en=20 quelles langues le congr=E8s est organis=E9. Ik heb veel interesse, maar om te kunnen deelnemen moet ik weten wat=20 het gaat kosten, en dit aan mijn baas vertellen, alsook aan mijn=20 kollegas ( 3 zouden interesse hebben ). Ik zou ook moeten weten in=20 welke talen dit congres georganiseerd wordt. Patrick Carabin. Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20 http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/ Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20 http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20 =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB =09=09=09=09=09=09Dala=EF Lama. From spirou@colnet.carolo.net Mon Mar 25 10:42:42 2002 From: spirou@colnet.carolo.net (Denis) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 11:42:42 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] [FR-NL] Overview In-Reply-To: <02032510304100.01141@pc20_118> References: <02032510304100.01141@pc20_118> Message-ID: <20020325114242.E10860@carolo.net> --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by colnet.carolo.net id g2PAghDX023509 Le Mon, Mar 25, 2002 at 10:30:40AM +0100, Patrick Carabin pianota: > >> 3. Overview ( Tom Deprez en Martijn Faassen )=20 >=20 > Je suis int=E9ress=E9 =E0 participer, mais je ne sais pas combien =E7a = co=FBte,=20 > je dois le savoir rapidement ( pour en parler =E0 mon patron et =E0 mes= =20 > coll=E8gues: 3 pourraient =EAtre int=E9ress=E9s ). Je devrais aussi sav= oir en=20 > quelles langues le congr=E8s est organis=E9. One thing is sure :=20 - the working language on this list and for the conference is English. For the budget question, Nicolas prepared a first draft : we have still many unknown issues (amount from sponsors, how many attendees, ...) Up to now, we've been speaking about prices around 100 eur/day. And yes, we'll have to fix it very soon since it's an important point on which participating may depend. Thanks for your interest. Denis P.S. First (old) message follow : --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 18:30:31 +0100 To: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be Subject: Re: Zope =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0_Charlero?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?i?= ( Belgique ! ) Message-ID: <20020315183031.A26365@carolo.net> References: <02031515005700.01104@pc20_118> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <02031515005700.01104@pc20_118> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.22i Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by colnet.carolo.net id g2PAghDX023509 Le Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 03:00:56PM +0100, Patrick Carabin pianota: > Quelle sont les langues de travail, s.v.p. ? Sur la liste EuroPython@python.org, c'est l'Anglais. Sur la liste P3B-EuroPython@carolo.net, c'est le Fran=E7ais et c'est plut=F4t destin=E9 =E0 la partie locale de l'organisation. cf. http://www.p3b.org : il y a un lien vers la liste et vers le wiki (molo avec les =E9ditions du Wiki, j'ai laiss=E9 tous les droits dessus). A+ P.S. Vous utilisez Zope =E0 l'Institut ou c'est un int=E9r=EAt priv=E9 ? --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- From moshez@twistedmatrix.com Tue Mar 26 22:25:04 2002 From: moshez@twistedmatrix.com (Moshe Zadka) Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 16:25:04 -0600 Subject: [EuroPython] Some Questions About The Conference Message-ID: (Please do not CC me on replies. I'm not subscribed, but I am reading the archives) a) Any news on the hotel information? b) Any idea of the cost structure, particularily whether speakers will also have to pay? c) Any idea whether there'll be financial help for speakers? (like flight tickets, hotel fees, etc.) From denis@aragne.com Wed Mar 27 02:16:51 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 03:16:51 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Some Questions About The Conference In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020327031651.A3624@carolo.net> Le Tue, Mar 26, 2002 at 04:25:04PM -0600, Moshe Zadka pianota: > (Please do not CC me on replies. I'm not subscribed, but I am reading > the archives) >=20 > a) Any news on the hotel information? I think Fran=E7ois is waiting to have a complete info to put his listing online. I'll ask him to hurry a bit. Meanwhile, I've pasted a first draft on the website (http://www.europython.org/hotels). It's full of French and 'old Francs', but the first 5 hotels are well known and Internet links are ok. > b) Any idea of the cost structure, particularily whether > speakers will also have to pay?=20 Not yet quite discussed by the BudgetTeam, but I think the least we can do is to give free access to the speakers. > c) Any idea whether there'll be financial help for speakers? (like flig= ht > tickets, hotel fees, etc.) We'll do our best to help them as much as we can. Let's find sponsors and it will be possible. A new bank account has been opened,=20 specifically for the conference. References are at the URL=20 http://www.p3b.org/about/bank Will the BudgetTeam go to the wiki and write some things on it ? Thank you. (I did some editing, but I feel alone on these pages). Spring has come and a new energy with it, hasn't it ? :-) Denis --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed Mar 27 03:13:54 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 04:13:54 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Python in Computer Graphics In-Reply-To: <20020324221214.C20871@skuba.h--y.com> References: <20020324221214.C20871@skuba.h--y.com> Message-ID: <20020327041354.C3624@carolo.net> Le Sun, Mar 24, 2002 at 10:12:14PM -0100, Jacek Artymiak pianota: > What sort of facilities will be available for tutors at the > Charleroi Conference Center? > Will there be computers available for (at least a part of) > the audience, or just for the tutors? Or should the tutors/attendees > bring their own machines? We will have an internet access and CharleroiTeam will provide with a few machines. If you have a laptop, you will have the possibility to plug your own machine in a hub. I think the best thing to do is to ask for what you need. We're not going to rent machines/equipment if it's not needed. > Also, how long will the tutorial sessions be? That's for the program committee team... (See the wiki). Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed Mar 27 04:24:09 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis) Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2002 05:24:09 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois) In-Reply-To: <3C91E34E.72FEAF29@lemburg.com> References: <3C8CBEC9.4A827EC6@onera.fr> <3C91E34E.72FEAF29@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020327052409.D3624@carolo.net> Le Fri, Mar 15, 2002 at 01:04:30PM +0100, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > Marc Poinot wrote: > > > > Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois. > > ... > > Does this letter fits Paul's needs ? If so, please add a > text copy to the Wiki, so that we can use it as template > and to be able to show speakers what they'll get. I've added the wiki page : http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/SpeakersInvitationLetter Please, could an English-speaking organizer have a look at it ? Moreover, the BudgetTeam should decide what will be reimbursed to the invited people ... Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Hi, Anybody willing to translate the hotel page into english and transform the prices to Euro? Somebody volunteering to add some news capability to the site? Somebody at Charlerloi willing to make a page with all the possible transport? Other ideas? (Registration online, we're working on it. Waiting for definite price settings) Thanks in advance, Tom. From brendon@70south.com Thu Mar 28 17:23:30 2002 From: brendon@70south.com (Brendon Grunewald) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:23:30 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Hotel Page translation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom, I will translate the hotel page from French to English and prices to Euro. I'd like to suggest a message board on the site for the conference, sort of a classifieds board where people can put up notices about lifts to and from, accommodation to share offers and other such things that may be useful in getting people to come or save cost doing so... Have a good Easter, Froehe Ostern, Joyeuses Pâques. Brendon --- Brendon Grunewald www.70south.com/about/contact (Contact Details in US, EU, and via internet) About 70South: (www.70South.com ) - Award winning, Interactive and updated daily with the latest news and educational information on Antarctica and related topics. - Available on your PC, Mobile Phone and PDA. - The No.1 source for Antarcticles (tm) -----Original Message----- From: europython-admin@python.org [mailto:europython-admin@python.org]On Behalf Of europython-request@python.org Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 18:02 To: europython@python.org Subject: EuroPython digest, Vol 1 #100 - 1 msg Send EuroPython mailing list submissions to europython@python.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to europython-request@python.org You can reach the person managing the list at europython-admin@python.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of EuroPython digest..." Today's Topics: 1. website (Tom Deprez) --__--__-- Message: 1 Reply-To: "Tom Deprez" From: "Tom Deprez" To: Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 01:59:36 +0100 Organization: Aragne.com Subject: [EuroPython] website Hi, Anybody willing to translate the hotel page into english and transform the prices to Euro? Somebody volunteering to add some news capability to the site? Somebody at Charlerloi willing to make a page with all the possible transport? Other ideas? (Registration online, we're working on it. Waiting for definite price settings) Thanks in advance, Tom. --__--__-- _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython End of EuroPython Digest From brendon@70south.com Thu Mar 28 17:59:11 2002 From: brendon@70south.com (Brendon Grunewald) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2002 18:59:11 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] English Hotel Page In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Tom, Here is my best "Désolé, je ne parle pas français" translation. --- Hotels and Camping Places in the Region HOTEL FORMULE 1 : Rue du Rosaire 10, 6041 Gosselies (Charleroi) Tel. (071) 37.22.22 - Fax : (071) 37.21.31 Site Web : http://www.hotelformule1.com/formule1 Rooms: 1 - 2 - 3 persons : E 27.02 Breakfast: E 4.46 per person : self-service. Parking: free. Reservation recommended. HOTEL BALLADINS : Route de la Basse Sambre, 6061 Montignies-s/Sambre Tél. (071) 42.01.68 - Fax : (071) 42.04.80 Single: E 39.42 Double: E 49.58 Triple: E 58.25 Rooms have Toilet, Shower, TV, Telephone and Breakfast Monday to Friday (19h - 21h30) - meal for E 11.03 (drinks not included) Parking available. Reservation recommended. HOTEL IBIS : Quai de Flandre 12, 6000 Charleroi Tél. (071) 20.60.60. - Fax : (071) 70.21.91 - e-mail: ibis@skypro.be Site web:http://www.ibishotel.com IBIS Charleroi-Airport : http://www.hotels-europe.com/ibishotels/belgium/charleroi-airport.htm Standard Room with Breakfast (full American breakfast buffet): E 69.29 Standard Room consists of: shower/Toilet, telephone, Colour TV, Modem and Internet connection, air-conditioning Parking within 100m of the hotel (Garage Ibis) Reservation highly advised. BUSINESS HOTEL : Boulevard Mayence 1A, 6000 Charleroi Tél.: 071/ 30.24.24 - Fax : 071/ 30.49.49 - e-mail : info@businesshotel.be Site Web: http://www.businesshotel.be Rooms with bath, colour TV, telephone, hairdryer, ironing station, Tee and Coffee machine. Normal Room: E 92.96 + breakfast E 11.78 Preferential Room: E 61.97 + breakfast: E 8.68 Parking under surveillance. Reservation highly advised. HOTEL SOCATEL Boulevard Tirou 96, 6000 Charleroi Tél. (071) 31.98.11 - Fax : (071) 30.15.96 - e-mail : socatel@socatel.be or sotel@skynet.be Site Web: http://www.genvie.be/fr/socatel.asp Luxury rooms: Bath, hairdryer, Ironing station, Office desk, telephone, Alarm clock, TV, mini-bar. Single (Very small): E 48.96 Single: E 58.88 Double / Twin: E 68.17 Business Single or Double/twin + air condition: E 76.23 Executive Single or Double + air condition: E 91.10 Breakfast (American Buffet Breakfast): Extra Continental Breakfast: E 9.30 per person Parking accessible from 16h00 - 09h00 in the week and 24h on weekends. Reservation highly advised. Camping des Lacs de l'Eau d'Heure (sprl) route de Falemprise , 5630 Cerfontaine (Silenrieux) (approx 25 km from Charleroi) 071/64.49.54 Tennis, Kids games, French Bowls, covered and heated swimming pool, hot showers, shop, snack bar. Camping La Forêt (sc): Route de Mariembourg 47, 5600 Neuville (Philippeville) (approx 30 km from Charleroi) 071/66.72.03 or 0495/82.83.00 "1 - 2 Acres, beautiful layout, games, nursery, coffee shop, restaurant, swimming pool, electricity". Au Moulin de Romedenne Rue du Moulin de Romedenne 19, 5600 Philippeville (approx 30 km from Charleroi) Tel: 082/67.76.95 "swimming pool, French Bowls, Fishing, tennis, football, restaurant, tavern/snack, laundry, toilets, hot showers, mini-football, horse riding nearby, kids games. Royal Camping Caravaning Club (asbl) Chemin d'Oultre Heure, 6120 Ham-sur-Heure (approx 20 km from Charleroi) Tel: 071/21.46.86 Trieu du Bois : rue Piccolomé 63, 6238 Luttre (approx 20 km from Charleroi) Tel: 071/84.59.37 --- Brendon Grunewald www.70south.com/about/contact (Contact Details in US, EU, and via internet) About 70South: (www.70South.com ) - Award winning, Interactive and updated daily with the latest news and educational information on Antarctica and related topics. - Available on your PC, Mobile Phone and PDA. - The No.1 source for Antarcticles (tm) From Tom Deprez" I'll be away for a few days. If people need access to the site to add some things, please contact somebody who has already a login, eg martijn. You can change anything you want :-) Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" I've added the CSS which I received from Vincent to the website. And now I'm of for a holiday :-) Bye! Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <006e01c1d70b$4ac2b150$978d84d5@skullsplitter> Tom, >I will translate the hotel page from French to English and prices to Euro. Great! >I'd like to suggest a message board on the site for the conference, sort of a classifieds board where people can put up notices about lifts to and from, accommodation to share offers and other such things that may be useful in getting people to come or save cost doing so... Good idea, go ahead. >Have a good Easter, Froehe Ostern, Joyeuses Pâques. To everybody too. Regards, Tom. From tim@2wave.net Fri Mar 29 13:50:54 2002 From: tim@2wave.net (Tim Couper) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:50:54 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Tentative letter (example with Paul Dubois) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Denis (& Marc) I've looked at it and made some changes to the English. Hope they're OK! Tim Marc Poinot wrote: > > > > Here's an example of letter to Paul Dubois. > > ... > > Does this letter fits Paul's needs ? If so, please add a > text copy to the Wiki, so that we can use it as template > and to be able to show speakers what they'll get. I've added the wiki page : http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/SpeakersInvitationLetter Please, could an English-speaking organizer have a look at it ? Moreover, the BudgetTeam should decide what will be reimbursed to the invited people ... Denis