From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 00:08:48 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:08:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
Message-ID: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed
them in which rooms they would go.

You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
(In more detail topic)

Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-)

Proposal
----------

Looking at it, I see that an evening track is not filled at Day2. I suggest
to move the webservices track to here (which is planned on Day3 AM).

I'm not sure how to put the BoF's and lightning talks. (together or like it
is now). If we put them seperate, then the lighting talks can be given in
the auditorium and the BoFs in the multipurpose room.

Further:
--------

Day 1 could if still needed have an extra AM and PM
Day 3 could if still needed have an extra AM

Questions:
----------

Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make auditoriums
of it)
Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account)

Regards, tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 00:10:53 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 01:10:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] payment provider
References: <20020426231007.GB3294@vet.uu.nl> <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020430213413.GC12204@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <027901c1f09c$4b15d150$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

 Tom Deprez wrote:
> > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled
> > > >   certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can
> > provide a secure
> > > server, we can run this there.
> >
> > I forwarded this one to the maintainers of the EuroPython server.
> >
> > Further I've asked the contact information,etc of P3B to denis, so that
we
> > can make a Kagi account.
> > If later on, we manage to have the payment through EuroZope, it's even
> > better, but meanwhile we can accept payments through Kagi.
>
> I'm completely confused now. I thought we were going with ShareIt, and
> now I see you talk about Kagi...

Yes, yes, yes, sorry! I meant ShareIT.... not Kagi
I'm little bit flipping and phasing out/in at the moment... sorry.

So, to be sure....

I meant ShareIT, not Kagi!!!!







From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 09:26:26 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:26:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ?
Message-ID: <3CCFA6B2.A6027B5A@lemburg.com>

Someone must have edited the business track wiki page and
removed one of the talk entries. 

Is there any way to get older versions of that page so that
we can reintegrate the proposal ?
(The talk in question was the proposal by Andy Robinson)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 09:42:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 10:42:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ?
References: <3CCFA6B2.A6027B5A@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <006c01c1f0ec$1fa2b6f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

I can bring up a backup, but then there is no turn back.
I did a diff on the two versions and see that a lot more has changed....
I'll send you the diff, so that you can have a look at it and give me a go
for going a version back.

Regards, Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "EuroPython Mailing List" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:26 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ?


> Someone must have edited the business track wiki page and
> removed one of the talk entries.
>
> Is there any way to get older versions of that page so that
> we can reintegrate the proposal ?
> (The talk in question was the proposal by Andy Robinson)
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 10:12:54 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:12:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ?
References: <3CCFA6B2.A6027B5A@lemburg.com> <006c01c1f0ec$1fa2b6f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CCFB196.81BCC16F@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> I can bring up a backup, but then there is no turn back.
> I did a diff on the two versions and see that a lot more has changed....
> I'll send you the diff, so that you can have a look at it and give me a go
> for going a version back.

Thanks. Note that I don't want you to roll back the changes,
I just need the text of Andy's proposal to put it back into the
wiki page.

If you could send me the diff, that would be great.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From gotcha@swing.be  Wed May  1 10:18:28 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:18:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>

At 01:08 1/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
>I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed
>them in which rooms they would go.
>
>You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
>(In more detail topic)
>
>Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-)

This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time...

When looking at the schedule, I think that the keynote at the end of the 
day is a really nice idea... but we'll have to be very strict about 
duration of talks if we want to be out in time.

Paul, Tom do we need to be more specific about the Zope talks... I mean 
separating them in different Zope tracks as Zope infrastructure (Zope 3, 
i18n), Zope Content Management, etc... ?

Is it gentle enough to say that the gradient does not really help to get 
the colors... ;-)

>Proposal
>----------
>
>Looking at it, I see that an evening track is not filled at Day2. I suggest
>to move the webservices track to here (which is planned on Day3 AM).

I think this is a good idea...

>I'm not sure how to put the BoF's and lightning talks. (together or like it
>is now). If we put them seperate, then the lighting talks can be given in
>the auditorium and the BoFs in the multipurpose room.

What are BoF (Birds of Feathers) ? If it is free dicussion...(?) I would 
schedule it the other way : two parallel sessions of lightning talks and 
two parallel BoFs.

>Further:
>--------
>
>Day 1 could if still needed have an extra AM and PM
>Day 3 could if still needed have an extra AM
>
>Questions:
>----------
>
>Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make auditoriums
>of it)
>Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account)

Important question indeed

>Regards, tom.
Thanks Tom
--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  1 10:36:00 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:36:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Ping?
Message-ID: <3CCFB700.360FE7D2@nipltd.com>

Given there's a conference coming up next month, it seems very quiet on here...

Is everything working okay?

cheers,

Chris



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 10:42:13 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:42:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> >Hi,
> >
> >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed
> >them in which rooms they would go.
> >
> >You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> >(In more detail topic)
> >
> >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-)
>
> This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time...
>
> When looking at the schedule, I think that the keynote at the end of the
> day is a really nice idea... but we'll have to be very strict about
> duration of talks if we want to be out in time.

Yup, correct!

> Paul, Tom do we need to be more specific about the Zope talks... I mean
> separating them in different Zope tracks as Zope infrastructure (Zope 3,
> i18n), Zope Content Management, etc... ?

Yes, I was thinking on this as well, but for this we first need to decide
which talks are going to be given. Further, there will not be that much
talks all together (9 full talks: 25min to 35 min), so making a difference
will be perhaps too much. But then again, we can try to place some with more
or less the same subject in the same session. The Lightning talks can be put
together in groups as well.

> Is it gentle enough to say that the gradient does not really help to get
the colors... ;-)

Are you attacking my graphical skills :-)))
Do you like it more as plain colors?

> >Proposal
> >----------
> >
> >Looking at it, I see that an evening track is not filled at Day2. I
suggest
> >to move the webservices track to here (which is planned on Day3 AM).
>
> I think this is a good idea...
>
> >I'm not sure how to put the BoF's and lightning talks. (together or like
it
> >is now). If we put them seperate, then the lighting talks can be given in
> >the auditorium and the BoFs in the multipurpose room.
>
> What are BoF (Birds of Feathers) ? If it is free dicussion...(?) I would
> schedule it the other way : two parallel sessions of lightning talks and
> two parallel BoFs.

yes, but lightning talks could be interesting for everybody, so perhaps
people want to hear all lightning talks.
Other people are perhaps more for BoF (yes, Birds...) and would like to be
in all BoF's...

> >Further:
> >--------
> >
> >Day 1 could if still needed have an extra AM and PM
> >Day 3 could if still needed have an extra AM
> >
> >Questions:
> >----------
> >
> >Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make
auditoriums
> >of it)
> >Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account)
>
> Important question indeed
>
> >Regards, tom.
> Thanks Tom
> --
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 10:43:38 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 11:43:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Ping?
References: <3CCFB700.360FE7D2@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <00a201c1f0f4$d980fc00$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

We're doing are best....
With the time we've....

People who want to give a Zope talk, can still send in an abstract
(something along the 10 lines).

Regards, Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: <eurozope@comlounge.net>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:36 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] Ping?


> Given there's a conference coming up next month, it seems very quiet on
here...
>
> Is everything working okay?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From gotcha@swing.be  Wed May  1 10:51:40 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:51:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501115125.00a7eb68@pop.swing.be>

At 11:42 1/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>Are you attacking my graphical skills :-)))
>Do you like it more as plain colors?

That's what I meant...
--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  1 10:55:34 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:55:34 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] ignore me...
Message-ID: <3CCFBB96.214CA9BE@nipltd.com>

...eveyone else does ;-)

Chris



From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  1 11:02:29 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:02:29 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-(
Message-ID: <3CCFBD35.3E8B49AC@nipltd.com>

Well, I know I'm subscribed to this list, 'cos python.org sent me a monthly reminder this
morning, but it doesn't appear that I'm getting any mail from it, even when I send it...

*sigh*

Can anyone help?

cheers,

Chris



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 11:13:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:13:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020501115214.0228e078@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <00d101c1f0f8$e5ca4a80$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Godefroid,

You could perhaps write an html page which for buying EuroPython tickets.
Joachim can then use this page with the EuroZope payment system.
This would certainly  speed up the alternative payment system (the one with
EuroZope)


Denis,

Can you post me the O3B information I ask you, as soon as possible, so we
can get on with the registration on ShareIT?
Thanks!

Regards, Tom.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks


> Did you get the help proposed for the web site ?
>
> Do you need some, if I am able...
> --
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 11:14:58 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 12:14:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-(
References: <3CCFBD35.3E8B49AC@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <00d701c1f0f9$0db170a0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

have you disabled you delivery?

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Withers" <chrisw@nipltd.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-(


> Well, I know I'm subscribed to this list, 'cos python.org sent me a
monthly reminder this
> morning, but it doesn't appear that I'm getting any mail from it, even
when I send it...
>
> *sigh*
>
> Can anyone help?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From chrisw@nipltd.com  Wed May  1 11:15:58 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:15:58 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-(
References: <3CCFBD35.3E8B49AC@nipltd.com> <00d701c1f0f9$0db170a0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CCFC05E.87EC3910@nipltd.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> have you disabled you delivery?

Dunnoo... but for some weird reason I'm now getting mail...

I give up, sorry for the spam...

cheers,

Chris

PS: Does anyoen know what's up with the EuroZope list? I got broken-ness report'ed by
comlounge's postfix whenever I try and mail anything@comlounge.net...



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 11:49:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:49:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
Message-ID: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com>

Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things
to consider:

* Which Belgium VAT taxes do apply to conference fees and
  how does the P3B corporate status have an effect on this ?
  The standard VAT rate is 21%, but there are also reduced
  ones, e.g. 12% which might apply. P3B should ask their
  accountant for this one.

* Should the conference fees we've discussed be inclusive
  VAT or exclusive (inclusive probably makes handling a
  lot easier) ?
  We might have to raise the fees a bit to accomodate for
  the ShareIT fees and the VAT (together they add up to
  about 26% if the standard VAT rate applies). This is
  serious money, so very important to keep in mind.

* You can setup ShareIT accounts to EUR and USD fixed
  amounts (the others are then calculated using the day's
  exchange rate). I'd suggest to do everything in EUR.

* You can also setup ShareIT to get email notifications
  of every sale and to have it automatically send out
  an registration ID. The IDs can be given to ShareIT
  upfront so we are in control here and could use them
  as proof of payment (e.g. attendees could print out the
  email they receive as proof -- makes conference checkin
  easier). The emails have a standard format which makes
  them parseable, but the same data is also available
  via the ShareIT control panel in form of a CSV file
  which is easy to download and store into a database.
  Again, this might help the registration desk at the
  conference.

* P3B should check which information they need from 
  the registrants for proper accounting, e.g. EU 
  companies can use their VAT ID in payment and then
  don't have to pay VAT.
  For that to work, P3B must have it's own VAT ID
  which it can easily get from the local revenue
  service.

* We need to print badges for the conference attendees.
  Can someone take care of this ? (Should be easy
  using the ShareIT account data + the data from the
  speakers)  

We need to assign someone to each of these bullets.
Unfortunately, P3B will have most of the work load 
here.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 12:01:19 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:01:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com>

> > >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> > >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed
> > >them in which rooms they would go.
> > >
> > >You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> > >(In more detail topic)
> > >
> > >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-)
> >
> > This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time...

Very nice indeed. Could you post them to the europython.org
web-site as well ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 12:22:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 13:22:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>


> > > >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> > > >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet
placed
> > > >them in which rooms they would go.
> > > >
> > > >You can find them at
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> > > >(In more detail topic)
> > > >
> > > >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-)
> > >
> > > This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time...
>
> Very nice indeed. Could you post them to the europython.org
> web-site as well ?

Thanks,

Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to know
if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2

Regards,
 Tom
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 12:57:20 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:57:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to know
> if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2

I'd rather not: it would then be in parallel to the business
and applications tracks. We also plan to use one of the
web services sessions for a business BoF or panel discussion.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 13:45:42 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 14:45:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace...
Message-ID: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi!

The people from Amazon (the provider of the EuroPython space) has setup a
secure website for EuroPython. There are some problems viewing the whole
site right now trough SSL, but it shouldn't be that difficult to fix:

I've also setup secure webspace for europython on:

https://secure.zope.nl/europython

This maps to the root of your zopesite.

Usually it should be possible to view the entire website through ssl, but
it seems you're doing an absolute redirect, which breaks with the
relative position of your secure space.


Regatds; Tom.





From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be  Wed May  1 14:04:51 2002
From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:04:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >
> > Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to
know
> > if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2
>
> I'd rather not: it would then be in parallel to the business
> and applications tracks. We also plan to use one of the
> web services sessions for a business BoF or panel discussion.

Ok, I just thought that it would be a nice follow up of the Zope Track,
since I think they are both more or less on the same subject.

Perhaps we can move Lightning talks to this free track then?

Tom.





From denis@aragne.com  Wed May  1 14:13:16 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:13:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [French] Re: EuroPython =?iso-8859-1?Q?200?=
 =?iso-8859-1?Q?2_=3A_proposiion_de_pr=E9sentation?=
In-Reply-To: <9310801AA6D6BD4CABF9AF8D3565D520029F2F@mail-hlt.hlt.spacebel.be>
References: <9310801AA6D6BD4CABF9AF8D3565D520029F2F@mail-hlt.hlt.spacebel.be>
Message-ID: <20020501151316.L27991@carolo.net>

Le Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 09:40:53AM +0200, Pierre Denis pianota:
> Bonjour,
>=20
> Je suis ing=E9nieur logiciel chez Spacebel (soci=E9t=E9 belge sp=E9cial=
is=E9 dans le
> logiciel spatial). Ayant d=E9couvert Python dans le cadre de mon travai=
l il y
> a 3 ans, j'ai eu l'id=E9e de l'utiliser pour pouvoir manipuler de 'vrai=
es'
> quantit=E9s avec leurs unit=E9s de mesure (m=E8tre, Volt, km/h, euro, e=
tc), le but
> =E9tant de v=E9rifer la coh=E9rence des calculs, d'automatiser les conv=
ersions et
> de d=E9river l'unit=E9 du r=E9sultat. Ceci est un vieux probl=E8me, qui=
 a d'ailleurs
> co=FBt=E9 =E0 la NASA la perte d'une sonde vers Mars de 125 millions $.
>=20
> Ce d=E9veloppement, appel=E9 Unum, est =E0 pr=E9sent op=E9rationnel; il=
 a d=E9j=E0 =E9t=E9
> pr=E9sent=E9 sous la forme d'un poster =E0 la 9=E8me conf=E9rence Pytho=
n (mars 2001).
> J'ai fait aussi une pr=E9sentation orale =E0 la conf=E9rence DASIA 2001=
 (DAta
> Systems In Aerospace ); vous trouverez attach=E9 l'article qui a =E9t=E9=
 publi=E9 =E0
> cette occasion. Vous pouvez trouver plus d'information sur le module Un=
um
> sur le site http://gallery.uunet.be/pierre-et-liliane.denis/Unum.html.
>=20
> Tout ceci n'a aucun lien avec Zope mais si vous jugez que ce d=E9velopp=
ement
> peut trouver sa place =E0 EuroPython 2002, je suis tout dispos=E9 =E0 f=
aire une
> pr=E9sentation.

Bonjour,

Que voil=E0 une belle (et prestigieuse) utilisation de Python. Pas de
probl=E8me s'il n'y a pas de rapport avec Zope : la conf=E9rence, tout en
ayant une session sp=E9ciale Zope, traite avant tout de Python.

Je ne m'occupe pas vraiment de la composition du programme. Je crois que
le meilleur conseil que je puisse donner est d'envoyer le m=EAme message
(mais en Anglais) sur la mailing-list europython@python.org ; pour s'y
inscrire, voir http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

Il y a encore un peu de flou quant au programme, mais ne tra=EEne plus
pour faire ta proposition car les choses sont en train d'=EAtre fix=E9es.

Merci pour ton message.

A bient=F4t.

Denis

--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Wed May  1 14:37:57 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:37:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com>
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things
> to consider:
> 
> [... things about VAT]

Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but
it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ?

The bank account number and most information on P3B is there :
http://www.p3b.org/about

I've to leave now, but I'll be there on this evening.

See you later

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 15:16:59 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 16:16:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things
> > to consider:
> >
> > [... things about VAT]
>
> Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but
> it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ?

Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT.

> The bank account number and most information on P3B is there :
> http://www.p3b.org/about

Thanks Denis,

But we also need the address information of P3B and the address/contact
information of the responsible P3B member. Can we put you as contact person?
Which telephone number may we use and which email address?

Regards, Tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 16:25:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:25:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace...
References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> The people from Amazon (the provider of the EuroPython space) has setup a
> secure website for EuroPython. There are some problems viewing the whole
> site right now trough SSL, but it shouldn't be that difficult to fix:
> 
> I've also setup secure webspace for europython on:
> 
> https://secure.zope.nl/europython

Nice ! 

(Note that the secure.zope.nl certificate expires on June 5th.)

> This maps to the root of your zopesite.
> 
> Usually it should be possible to view the entire website through ssl, but
> it seems you're doing an absolute redirect, which breaks with the
> relative position of your secure space.

That's probably because relative URL redirect don't work
with all browsers out there (at least I had problems with this
last time I tried this).

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 16:42:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 17:42:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace...
References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> > Usually it should be possible to view the entire website through ssl,
but
> > it seems you're doing an absolute redirect, which breaks with the
> > relative position of your secure space.
>
> That's probably because relative URL redirect don't work
> with all browsers out there (at least I had problems with this
> last time I tried this).

Fixed this a few hours ago! Now it should be possible to access
https://secure.zope.nl/europython without a prob

Regards,
Tom.





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  1 17:08:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:08:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things
> > > to consider:
> > >
> > > [... things about VAT]
> >
> > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but
> > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ?
> 
> Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT.

Indeed. You should be very careful about VAT -- if we mess up
here, we'll end up having to pay the 21% !
 
> > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there :
> > http://www.p3b.org/about
> 
> Thanks Denis,
> 
> But we also need the address information of P3B and the address/contact
> information of the responsible P3B member. Can we put you as contact person?
> Which telephone number may we use and which email address?

I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.
There are too many details to know about which only P3B can
provide (please also see my other mail on setting up the
account).

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 17:15:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 18:15:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <021601c1f12c$0b814200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >
> > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > > > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things
> > > > to consider:
> > > >
> > > > [... things about VAT]
> > >
> > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but
> > > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ?
> >
> > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a
VAT.
>
> Indeed. You should be very careful about VAT -- if we mess up
> here, we'll end up having to pay the 21% !
>
> > > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there :
> > > http://www.p3b.org/about
> >
> > Thanks Denis,
> >
> > But we also need the address information of P3B and the address/contact
> > information of the responsible P3B member. Can we put you as contact
person?
> > Which telephone number may we use and which email address?
>
> I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.
> There are too many details to know about which only P3B can
> provide (please also see my other mail on setting up the
> account).

Yes, correct. Please, Denis are you able to set up the ShareIT account. Let
us know when finished and if we need to help on the creation of the entry
tickets.

Tom.

> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From lac@strakt.com  Wed May  1 20:08:17 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:08:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@village.uunet.be>
 of "Wed, 01 May 2002 15:04:51 +0200." <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com>  <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> > Tom Deprez wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to
> know
> > > if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2
> >
> > I'd rather not: it would then be in parallel to the business
> > and applications tracks. We also plan to use one of the
> > web services sessions for a business BoF or panel discussion.
> 
> Ok, I just thought that it would be a nice follow up of the Zope Track,
> since I think they are both more or less on the same subject.
> 
> Perhaps we can move Lightning talks to this free track then?
> 
> Tom.

All the people that I spoke with who went to IPC 10, including 2 from
my own company said that the Lightning talks were by far the most
important thing at IPC 10.  Thus they should not be scheduled to
overlap with any talks or tutorials because they are the one thing
that everybody will want to attend, reguardless of their other interests.

Laura Creighton




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 20:37:35 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:37:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
Message-ID: <033e01c1f147$a7f492c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I'm working on a new home page. I've totally no design skills and I miss
some serious information. So I hope people want to have a look at it and
give me advice on how to improve it and how to fill it with the correct
information. Thanks!

http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress

Thanks in advance,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 20:39:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:39:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <035801c1f148$03268540$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> All the people that I spoke with who went to IPC 10, including 2 from
> my own company said that the Lightning talks were by far the most
> important thing at IPC 10.  Thus they should not be scheduled to
> overlap with any talks or tutorials because they are the one thing
> that everybody will want to attend, reguardless of their other interests.
> 
Ok, I think that this is a good reason to leave them the way they are now.

Thanks for your input Laura.

Regards, Tom.






From denis@aragne.com  Wed May  1 21:18:53 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:18:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chairs and Table [Was: Time Schedules and Tracks]
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>
References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020501221853.O27991@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:18:28AM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> At 01:08 1/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
> >
> >Questions:
> >----------
> >
> >Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make
> >auditoriums of it)
> >Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account)
> 
> Important question indeed

Indeed ? Yes, there will be chairs. :-)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Wed May  1 22:18:40 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:18:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020501231839.P27991@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:16:59PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> >
> > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but
> > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ?
> 
> Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT.

I know that P3B don't *need* one, but *may* have one. 
Do visitors would be interrested in P3B having a VAT number ?
- Yes if we consider 200 EUR is a VAT included price
- No if the conference price is 200 EUR + VAT

In the first case, they will just have a 200 EUR expense.
In the last case, they would have a 165 EUR expense + 35 EUR VAT
but then EuroPython would have 165 EUR (gross) benefit and Belgium VAT
administration a 35 EUR benefit for each visitor.
If EuroPython wants to earn 200 EUR/vistor, then the entrance fee must
be 242 EUR.

Tell me if I'm wrong.

> > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there :
> > http://www.p3b.org/about
> 
> Thanks Denis,
> 
> But we also need the address information of P3B
> and the address/contact information of the responsible P3B member.

As I told you, it's all online :
http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part02#article 2 and
http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part01#section01 respectively.
(Did you look at the nice tree-formated bylaws ?)

Now to help you, I will summarize these data here :
______________________________________________
P3B official address  | Responsible address  |    
----------------------------------------------
Rue de Colnet 9       | idem (I 'host' P3B:  |
B-6040 Charleroi      | it's a nice VA-Linux |
                      | bi-PIII in my cellar)|
----------------------------------------------

> Can we put you as contact person?

Of course, who else ?

> Which telephone number may we use and which email address?

Both are on the website homepage http://www.europython.org/ 
Moreover you do know my email address since you're using it
and tell them I don't want phone calls ! ;-)

Do you need something else ?

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 00:56:50 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 01:56:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020501231839.P27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <03fc01c1f16b$de462c20$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT.

>I know that P3B don't *need* one, but *may* have one.
>Do visitors would be interrested in P3B having a VAT number ?
>- Yes if we consider 200 EUR is a VAT included price
>- No if the conference price is 200 EUR + VAT

>In the first case, they will just have a 200 EUR expense.
>In the last case, they would have a 165 EUR expense + 35 EUR VAT
>but then EuroPython would have 165 EUR (gross) benefit and Belgium VAT
>administration a 35 EUR benefit for each visitor.
>If EuroPython wants to earn 200 EUR/vistor, then the entrance fee must
>be 242 EUR.
>Tell me if I'm wrong.

Sorry, I don't have that much experience in these kind of things and I don't
know if you need a VAT in these cases (as the congress). If you know for
sure that P3B doesn't need a VAT number for selling entry tickets, then you
don't need to take a VAT account.  But in case you're not sure yourself...
that's why I proposed to contact your accountant.

> As I told you, it's all online :
> http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part02#article 2 and
> http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part01#section01 respectively.
> (Did you look at the nice tree-formated bylaws ?)

yup, I did, but have overlooked it.... these laws are not my cup of tee and
certainly not when they are in french.

> Now to help you, I will summarize these data here :
> ______________________________________________
> P3B official address  | Responsible address  |
> ----------------------------------------------
> Rue de Colnet 9       | idem (I 'host' P3B:  |
> B-6040 Charleroi      | it's a nice VA-Linux |
>                       | bi-PIII in my cellar)|
> ----------------------------------------------

Thanks. It would have been easier if you gave this all along.

> > Can we put you as contact person?
>
> Of course, who else ?
>
> > Which telephone number may we use and which email address?
>
> Both are on the website homepage http://www.europython.org/
> Moreover you do know my email address since you're using it
> and tell them I don't want phone calls ! ;-)

Euhm, just wanted to be sure not to put information on it that you didn't
liked.... therefor all these questions...
nothing else behind these endless to and from mailings...

> Do you need something else ?

No, but like Marc-Andre told, it is perhaps better that you set up the
account at ShareIT yourself. This will avoid these kind of stupid mailings
and perhaps future mailings (because of something I don't know of when
filling in the ShareIT account) , since you have all the information at
hand. Besides, perhaps you would like to know what information is on the
ShareIT account...

Tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 01:10:05 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:10:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
Message-ID: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I need questions on these really soon:

1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they
would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the
conference concerning their open source titles.

Are people against this? Is it now official that a book company has a stand
at EuroPython. And if so, can we still allow these kinds of leaflets to be
spread out at the conference.
I've nothing against it, but wan't to know other peoples opinions before I
write them back.

2) Press People: I already asked this before. Are there special rules for
Press People? I guess they get free entrance. Are there other things we take
into account?

I've no problems replying to these people, but what I do like is that we all
answer these people the same way. Therefor these questions to start a
discussion on this subject.

Regards, Tom.





From guido@python.org  Thu May  2 01:17:48 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 20:17:48 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 May 2002 02:10:05 +0200."
 <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

> 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they
> would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the
> conference concerning their open source titles.

Clearly they should pay for this service.

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 01:44:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:44:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEED Designers for some pages...
Message-ID: <046601c1f172$7ab850f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok, it looks that for some reason (perhaps because of the subject 'help'),
my previous mails on this are waiting for approval by the list
administrator. So it is quiet possible that this email will show up more
than once (sorry for that). But here is the mail, I hope to get some
response:

------------

Hi,

It would really be nice if some designers could help me on the following
pages:

http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress

http://europython.zope.nl/news/newsEntries/20020429

http://europython.zope.nl/news/index_html (must display old news)

The pages look like **** at the moment and I hope somebody can send me a
nice mockup.

------------

Regards, tom.






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 01:56:53 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 02:56:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

> > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but
they
> > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the
> > conference concerning their open source titles.
>
> Clearly they should pay for this service.

Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on the
amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things?

Another point, companies can hire a booth on the EuroPython congress, do we
already have decided the fee per square meter for these companies?
Do we already know how much m2 we have. How much is already hired, etc? Can
somebody place this on the wiki?

Thanks in advance,
Tom.







From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  2 02:39:40 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:39:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com>
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > 
> > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT.
> 
> Indeed. You should be very careful about VAT -- if we mess up
> here, we'll end up having to pay the 21% !

If we have no VAT account, it's just a in/out accounting, that's allowed
for ASBL, non-profit associations don't need to have a VAT number.
Now, if it eases your mind, ok, I will ask my accountant.

> I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.

Not quite sure about it. But, ok, I'm doing it.
By the way, what's exactly 'on purchase order' ?

> There are too many details to know about which only P3B can
> provide (please also see my other mail on setting up the
> account).

No, Tom can do anything when he wants to. :-)

But again, I started to set up the account already, Tom has work enough
with the website. I'd even say he isn't helped that much by all those
wonderful web specialists in the neighborhood... :-(
Where are the famous Zopistas ?

I'm not speaking to you, Marc-Andre, who help a lot in organising
things. :-)

I would like to insist on the fact that it was meant to be a collective
effort. P3B is a non-profit organisation and it will let all bonus money
(if any) to EuroPython. That means we're not earning a cent with it. Ok,
perhaps that 'enlight' us to some extent, but we're also investing much
time in it, even if we don't look like because we're not very present on
the list.

Most of P3B members are working for Aragne. Aragne is the only one who
has ever printed something for EuroPython, without even having his own
logo on the paper. We're not taking any new client to have some time to
spend for the conference. Thanks to Tom and Vincent for the website.
Thanks to Oli who is silently doing lots of things you don't even think
to.

I don't want to complain when saying so.

We're not alone, thanks *a lot* to other organisers and future speakers.
I just would like to ask for more help. We have, all of us, something to
win in the EuroPython conference. We are 136 programmers subscribed to
this mailing-list, 136 experts that could do something incredible in a
very short laps of time. Let's just do it now.

Help to find sponsors or act as sponsors, add a localizer product on the
website and start some translations as we did for the press-release,
write a small product for exhibitors registration, print some nice PDF
flyers with Andy's library and put them on the website so that anyone
could print them and distribute around him, find some nice guys to put
our banner on their website as this small example : 
http://www.codeur.org/actualite/actualite.php?lang=en

Go there and write a comment saying that this conference is a great
event because we all want it to happen and Python is so nice.
That will cost you nothing but one minute, and a few or lots of people
will be favorably impressed. That guy told us he could make a 'special
Python and Zope' page if he sees there is some interest and if we help
him to provide some good information. That would be a small or a big
advertisement (I don't know nor care about the quantity of readers this
website is having), but free advertisement for Python and hence, for
yourself. 

If you are here, it's because Python is your favorite language, because
beautiful is better than ugly, implicit is better than implicit, ...
Tell the world _loud enough_ how great is your favorite language and you
won't have any problem to sell your stuff. There are so many bad things
Python could improve ; there is a huge amount of work for all Python
developers. We just have to show to the world that what we say is true :
136 Python developers together can make a wonder within a very short
laps of time.

Go on, times have come. Ask yourself what you could do and do it.

In advance, thank you.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  2 04:22:02 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:22:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com>
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> 
> I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.

OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news
from ShareIT.

Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate
entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to
'inherit' from the first one ?

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  2 04:29:37 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:29:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] website people
In-Reply-To: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPOEJCDBAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
References: <01a101c1ef89$f7fcc360$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPOEJCDBAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <20020502052937.V27991@carolo.net>

Le Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:56:35PM +0200, Andrew Smart pianota:
> 
> I cannot help myself, but I have 25% percent free web design resource
> (Dreamweaver, a bit experience with ZOPE).
> 
> Is there a job list?

Tom is working on the payment system. If he can't tell you exactly now,
ask your kind 'resource' to do something *you* would like to see on the
website. Just keep the current style.

Thank you for your help.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  2 05:09:19 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 06:09:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
In-Reply-To: <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020502060919.A27991@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 02, 2002 at 02:56:53AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> 
> Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on
> the amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things?

No, I've no experience in it.

> Another point, companies can hire a booth on the EuroPython congress,
> do we already have decided the fee per square meter for these
> companies?

In Berlin, we estimated 700 EUR would be a reasonnable price, not in
square meters, but for a table and a few chairs.

> Do we already know how much m2 we have. How much is already hired, etc? 

We're not really limited if we stay under 10 exhibitors and we can go
up to 20 if we organize it well. Up to now, 5 have clearly declared
being interrested (or did I forget some ?)

> Can somebody place this on the wiki?

There's things in the wiki :
http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors

G'night.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  2 05:32:40 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 06:32:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace...
In-Reply-To: <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com> <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020502063240.C27991@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:42:23PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> 
> Fixed this a few hours ago! Now it should be possible to access
> https://secure.zope.nl/europython without a prob

(Not really questions for Tom, though I profit of his mail to ask.)

Wouldn't it be possible to have www.europython.org set to point to
the Amaze machine (DNS) ?

What next with that name ? Is the present owner ready to let it to the
EuroPython organisation ?

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 09:49:26 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:49:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <027601c1f1b6$43d79bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.
>
> OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news from
ShareIT.

Thanks a lot Denis!

> Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate
> entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to
> 'inherit' from the first one ?

I'll leave this question to Marc-Andre, since he's experienced in it.
If you don't know Marc-Andre, then I'll put some time to figure it out.
Now that the account is set Denis, we can also take over from here. (if you
don't have the time)

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 09:55:48 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 10:55:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <027c01c1f1b7$278fa8c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> No, Tom can do anything when he wants to. :-)

That's great to hear :-)

> But again, I started to set up the account already, Tom has work enough
> with the website. I'd even say he isn't helped that much by all those
> wonderful web specialists in the neighborhood... :-(
> Where are the famous Zopistas ?
>
> I'm not speaking to you, Marc-Andre, who help a lot in organising
> things. :-)
>
> I would like to insist on the fact that it was meant to be a collective
> effort. P3B is a non-profit organisation and it will let all bonus money
> (if any) to EuroPython. That means we're not earning a cent with it. Ok,
> perhaps that 'enlight' us to some extent, but we're also investing much
> time in it, even if we don't look like because we're not very present on
> the list.
>
> Most of P3B members are working for Aragne. Aragne is the only one who
> has ever printed something for EuroPython, without even having his own
> logo on the paper. We're not taking any new client to have some time to
> spend for the conference. Thanks to Tom and Vincent for the website.
> Thanks to Oli who is silently doing lots of things you don't even think
> to.
>
> I don't want to complain when saying so.
>
> We're not alone, thanks *a lot* to other organisers and future speakers.
> I just would like to ask for more help. We have, all of us, something to
> win in the EuroPython conference. We are 136 programmers subscribed to
> this mailing-list, 136 experts that could do something incredible in a
> very short laps of time. Let's just do it now.
>
> Help to find sponsors or act as sponsors, add a localizer product on the
> website and start some translations as we did for the press-release,
> write a small product for exhibitors registration, print some nice PDF
> flyers with Andy's library and put them on the website so that anyone
> could print them and distribute around him, find some nice guys to put
> our banner on their website as this small example :
> http://www.codeur.org/actualite/actualite.php?lang=en
>
> Go there and write a comment saying that this conference is a great
> event because we all want it to happen and Python is so nice.
> That will cost you nothing but one minute, and a few or lots of people
> will be favorably impressed. That guy told us he could make a 'special
> Python and Zope' page if he sees there is some interest and if we help
> him to provide some good information. That would be a small or a big
> advertisement (I don't know nor care about the quantity of readers this
> website is having), but free advertisement for Python and hence, for
> yourself.
>
> If you are here, it's because Python is your favorite language, because
> beautiful is better than ugly, implicit is better than implicit, ...
> Tell the world _loud enough_ how great is your favorite language and you
> won't have any problem to sell your stuff. There are so many bad things
> Python could improve ; there is a huge amount of work for all Python
> developers. We just have to show to the world that what we say is true :
> 136 Python developers together can make a wonder within a very short
> laps of time.
>
> Go on, times have come. Ask yourself what you could do and do it.
>
> In advance, thank you.
>
> Denis

Yesterday night I was a little bit down after some hours of rest I'm again
fully charged. I was planning to right the same kind of message real soon.
You word it much better than I do Denis, thanks. I hope now we get some
people again active on this list and ready for EuroPython.

Please people! Let not all just look and say at the end 'well, I told you,
that it would not work'. The congress WILL happen, how GOOD it will be, will
only depend on yourself. So spread the word, look for people, help on some
tasks (if only to discuss some points and help discussions at IRC) and be
ready at 26-28 of July!

Regards,
Tom.





From npettiaux@cocof.be  Thu May  2 11:09:02 2002
From: npettiaux@cocof.be (Pettiaux Nicolas)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:09:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [French] Re: EuroPython 2002 : proposiion de =?iso-8859-1?q?pr=E9sentation?=
In-Reply-To: <20020501151316.L27991@carolo.net>
References: <9310801AA6D6BD4CABF9AF8D3565D520029F2F@mail-hlt.hlt.spacebel.be> <20020501151316.L27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <20020502101017.C4895A6120@magellan.cocof.be>

Le Mercredi 01 Mai 2002 15:13, Denis Fr=E8re a =E9crit :
Bonjour,

> Que voil=E0 une belle (et prestigieuse) utilisation de Python. Pas de
> probl=E8me s'il n'y a pas de rapport avec Zope : la conf=E9rence, tout =
en
> ayant une session sp=E9ciale Zope, traite avant tout de Python.

> Je ne m'occupe pas vraiment de la composition du programme. Je crois qu=
e
> le meilleur conseil que je puisse donner est d'envoyer le m=EAme messag=
e
> (mais en Anglais) sur la mailing-list europython@python.org ; pour s'y
> inscrire, voir http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> Il y a encore un peu de flou quant au programme, mais ne tra=EEne plus
> pour faire ta proposition car les choses sont en train d'=EAtre fix=E9e=
s.

(comme ceci va aussi sur une liste anglophone, je continue en anglais)

Denis has well summarized my thought about this project: nice python=20
application.

Please look at the track inside which you would see you presentation fit =
and=20
make a proposal at the track master. The best way to do, as mentioned by=20
Denis, is to send the mail to the organisation mailing-list mentioned abo=
ve.

Thanks

Nicolas

--=20
Nicolas Pettiaux
Gestionnaire NTIC
Commission Communautaire fran=E7aise (Cocof)
Rue des palais, 42 - B-1030 Bruxelles
Tel: +32.(0)2.800.8000 (central)



From lac@strakt.com  Thu May  2 11:16:43 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:16:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
 of "Thu, 02 May 2002 02:56:53 +0200." <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>  <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <200205021016.g42AGikG009203@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> 
> > > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but
> they
> > > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the
> > > conference concerning their open source titles.
> >
> > Clearly they should pay for this service.
> 
> Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on the
> amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things?

Sure.  Here is how you calculate it, 2 ways:

You have to fill this in with the real numbers, because I don't
know what the real numbers are.

We promise 200 attendees.  Each attendee is worth about .50 Euro to
market to.  Therefore you charge them 100 Euros.  (The .50 is a good
number. The 200 I do not know).

However, I think that this is overcharging.  Here is why, second
way to calculate this:

Average cost of book they sell is: 35.00 Euros. (I made that number up)
Expected number of Sales from an attendence of 200 people: 20 (I made that one
up as well).  Somebody said that their profit was 10% -- they
advertise selling 10% over cost.  This is before they figure in their
expenses.  So - 3.5 times 20 = 70 Euros -- and they have to get charges
out of that.

All these figures you should be able to get from their marketing department.

Since you did not know how to calculate this, then you probably do not
know that this is no big secret.  When you are negotiating a price
with them, give them this as a back of the envelope calculation, and
then fill in their real numbers.  This is a completely open
transaction.  Nobody wins if anybody hides anything, and it is in
nobody's interest to be dishonest here.  This is a straight business
to business trade, cash for access, with no complications and no
strings.  We do it all the time.  You come with this sort of a
calculation -- not the number, give them the 'and how I calculated it'
they will know to file you under 'business' and not under
'shopper/amateur'.  If they think you are an amateur then they will
have the option of using the other set of playing rules in calculating
such things, which is 'get as much as I can while paying as little as
I can, no holds barred since they will not know if I am being
reasonable or not'.  I am not accusing them of that, just it is the
eternally availabel option.

And I have likely forgot some small thing, for instance I assume that
taxes are not to be a problem, but if they are, then that needs to be
factored in as well.

Good luck,
Laura

ps -- 700 Euros for a booth seems mighty steep to me.  I don't see 700
   Euros worth of Customers coming over to see my stuff.  This is what
   you get when you build a by-hackers-for-hackers conference -- the 
   cost of the booth must go down because hackers are not ideal segement
   of the market to reach, unless, of course, you are selling hacking tools.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 11:49:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:49:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>  <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>  <200205021016.g42AGikG009203@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <031401c1f1c7$0c03dc10$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Laura,

Thanks for this information! With this I know what to do. Now I at least
have something to use when other ask for prices etc.
I always thought that these price settings were 'secret', but I see from
your explanation that it isn't. Really helpfull.

Thanks again,
Tom.

> > > > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference,
but
> > they
> > > > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at
the
> > > > conference concerning their open source titles.
> > >
> > > Clearly they should pay for this service.
> >
> > Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on the
> > amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things?
>
> Sure.  Here is how you calculate it, 2 ways:
>
> You have to fill this in with the real numbers, because I don't
> know what the real numbers are.
>
> We promise 200 attendees.  Each attendee is worth about .50 Euro to
> market to.  Therefore you charge them 100 Euros.  (The .50 is a good
> number. The 200 I do not know).
>
> However, I think that this is overcharging.  Here is why, second
> way to calculate this:
>
> Average cost of book they sell is: 35.00 Euros. (I made that number up)
> Expected number of Sales from an attendence of 200 people: 20 (I made that
one
> up as well).  Somebody said that their profit was 10% -- they
> advertise selling 10% over cost.  This is before they figure in their
> expenses.  So - 3.5 times 20 = 70 Euros -- and they have to get charges
> out of that.
>
> All these figures you should be able to get from their marketing
department.
>
> Since you did not know how to calculate this, then you probably do not
> know that this is no big secret.  When you are negotiating a price
> with them, give them this as a back of the envelope calculation, and
> then fill in their real numbers.  This is a completely open
> transaction.  Nobody wins if anybody hides anything, and it is in
> nobody's interest to be dishonest here.  This is a straight business
> to business trade, cash for access, with no complications and no
> strings.  We do it all the time.  You come with this sort of a
> calculation -- not the number, give them the 'and how I calculated it'
> they will know to file you under 'business' and not under
> 'shopper/amateur'.  If they think you are an amateur then they will
> have the option of using the other set of playing rules in calculating
> such things, which is 'get as much as I can while paying as little as
> I can, no holds barred since they will not know if I am being
> reasonable or not'.  I am not accusing them of that, just it is the
> eternally availabel option.
>
> And I have likely forgot some small thing, for instance I assume that
> taxes are not to be a problem, but if they are, then that needs to be
> factored in as well.
>
> Good luck,
> Laura
>
> ps -- 700 Euros for a booth seems mighty steep to me.  I don't see 700
>    Euros worth of Customers coming over to see my stuff.  This is what
>    you get when you build a by-hackers-for-hackers conference -- the
>    cost of the booth must go down because hackers are not ideal segement
>    of the market to reach, unless, of course, you are selling hacking
tools.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 12:34:20 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:34:20 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [French] Re: EuroPython 2002 : proposiion de
 =?iso-8859-1?q?pr=E9sentation?=
In-Reply-To: <20020502101017.C4895A6120@magellan.cocof.be>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021331380.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Thu, 2 May 2002, Pettiaux Nicolas wrote:

> Le Mercredi 01 Mai 2002 15:13, Denis Frère a écrit :
> Bonjour,
> 
> > Que voilà une belle (et prestigieuse) utilisation de Python. Pas de
> > problème s'il n'y a pas de rapport avec Zope : la conférence, tout en
> > ayant une session spéciale Zope, traite avant tout de Python.
> 
> > Je ne m'occupe pas vraiment de la composition du programme. Je crois que
> > le meilleur conseil que je puisse donner est d'envoyer le même message
> > (mais en Anglais) sur la mailing-list europython@python.org ; pour s'y
> > inscrire, voir http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
> > Il y a encore un peu de flou quant au programme, mais ne traîne plus
> > pour faire ta proposition car les choses sont en train d'être fixées.
> 
> (comme ceci va aussi sur une liste anglophone, je continue en anglais)
> 
> Denis has well summarized my thought about this project: nice python 
> application.
> 
> Please look at the track inside which you would see you presentation fit and 
> make a proposal at the track master. The best way to do, as mentioned by 
> Denis, is to send the mail to the organisation mailing-list mentioned above.

Hi List,

I'll handle this if I may :-)

-----------------
Bonjour Pierre,

Je coordonne le sujet "Python in Science and Industry", et je pense que
cette présentation conviendrait très bien. Pourriez-vous m'envoyer en
privé un petit résumé (basé sur la présentation faite à la liste, ça ira
très bien), ainsi que quelques lignes "biographiques". Nous réglerons tout
le reste ensemble.

Merci d'avance,
-----------------

Done.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 12:13:43 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:13:43 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed
> them in which rooms they would go.
> 
> You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> (In more detail topic)

wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry
go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 12:41:06 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:41:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
In-Reply-To: <033e01c1f147$a7f492c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021338030.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I'm working on a new home page. I've totally no design skills and I miss
> some serious information. So I hope people want to have a look at it and
> give me advice on how to improve it and how to fill it with the correct
> information. Thanks!
> 
> http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress

Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press release is
not that bad as it summarizes all the information you need to get a good
understanding of what EuroPython is about.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 12:52:14 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:52:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:13 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks


> > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet
placed
> > them in which rooms they would go.
> >
> > You can find them at
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> > (In more detail topic)
>
> wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry
> go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ?

Glad you checked it out. That's why I posted it in the first place.

Mmm, I went further on the information of
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks (which was updated
during the IRC chat).
In it, it tells that Python S&I is planned for day 2 PM. I forgot to look at
the amount of sessions!, sorry!

There are several options:
--------------------------

1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free.
2) Perhaps let the congress end at 18.00 or 19.00h. This would allow us to
give more talks.
 However, this has some implications: we need to pay for guards.
 Denis, perhaps it's interesting just to check out the cost of this. If it
is not that much, we could settle for this.... and perhaps have an evening
event in the multipurpose room (if allowed by CEME)

3) ?


Regards,
Tom.





From lac@strakt.com  Thu May  2 12:53:57 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:53:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
 of "Thu, 02 May 2002 12:49:34 +0200." <031401c1f1c7$0c03dc10$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205021016.g42AGikG009203@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <031401c1f1c7$0c03dc10$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <200205021153.g42BrvkG009596@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Hi Laura,
> 
> Thanks for this information! With this I know what to do. Now I at least
> have something to use when other ask for prices etc.
> I always thought that these price settings were 'secret', but I see from
> your explanation that it isn't. Really helpfull.
> 
> Thanks again,
> Tom.

My pleasure.

Laura



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 13:06:33 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:06:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021403300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free.

Moving it to Day1/Track3 is fine with me as I have to speak on Day2 PM in
the Python Apps track.

BTW, because of very similar blue/violet colors, I can't make a difference
between Zope and Web services talks...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 13:41:24 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:41:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021403300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <03e201c1f1d6$abd123b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> > 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free.
>
> Moving it to Day1/Track3 is fine with me as I have to speak on Day2 PM =
in
> the Python Apps track.
>
> BTW, because of very similar blue/violet colors, I can't make a differe=
nce
> between Zope and Web services talks...

Yes, I know.... :-) i'll change that when the timeschedules are final.
(the web services talks are on Day3 only)

Regards, Tom.

> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From guido@python.org  Thu May  2 13:48:48 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 08:48:48 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 May 2002 13:41:06 +0200."
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021338030.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021338030.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <200205021248.g42Cmnq01033@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

> Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press
> release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you
> need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about.

A press release is not a home page.  A home page aims to provide easy
access to links and other information, should have attractive
graphics, and not much text.  Read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve
Krug for more info on how to make a good home page.

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 14:00:21 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:00:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
In-Reply-To: <200205021248.g42Cmnq01033@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021453460.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press
> > release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you
> > need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about.
> 
> A press release is not a home page.  A home page aims to provide easy
> access to links and other information, should have attractive
> graphics, and not much text.  Read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve
> Krug for more info on how to make a good home page.

Sure, a press release is not a home page.

But, a home page should provide most of the information a passer-by needs.
Read "Don't make me tour your website to find out what it is about" or
"Don't make me explore your website to find out the answers to my three
simpleand super-common questions". BTW, on a website like EuroPython,
graphics, even attractive ones, are useless unless they provide
information (except for the logo maybe).

Let's turn a summary of the press release into our homepage then :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  2 14:06:04 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:06:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020502150603.D32106@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:52:14PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> 
> However, this has some implications: we need to pay for guards.
> Denis, perhaps it's interesting just to check out the cost of this.

I've no exact figures, but that's man evening hours (you can guess
it's not really cheap). Could be about 50 EUR/hour or more.

> If it is not that much, we could settle for this.... 

It's not that much if we need it.

> and perhaps have an evening event in the multipurpose room (if
> allowed by CEME)

Allowed with a guard.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 15:05:02 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:05:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021453460.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <048a01c1f1e2$5a64c160$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Ok,

I added some text on it (I took it shamelessly from the codeur.org site) =
and
removed the cartoon.
Let me know what you think.... Of course we need to add some design to it.
Eg a nice looking font for the quote.

(Sorry, haven't read: "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug, yet.... I'm
already stealing some time of my regular work)

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Guido van Rossum" <guido@python.org>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:00 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!


> > > Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press
> > > release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you
> > > need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about.
> >
> > A press release is not a home page.  A home page aims to provide easy
> > access to links and other information, should have attractive
> > graphics, and not much text.  Read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve
> > Krug for more info on how to make a good home page.
>
> Sure, a press release is not a home page.
>
> But, a home page should provide most of the information a passer-by nee=
ds.
> Read "Don't make me tour your website to find out what it is about" or
> "Don't make me explore your website to find out the answers to my three
> simpleand super-common questions". BTW, on a website like EuroPython,
> graphics, even attractive ones, are useless unless they provide
> information (except for the logo maybe).
>
> Let's turn a summary of the press release into our homepage then :-)
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 15:18:06 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:18:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
In-Reply-To: <048a01c1f1e2$5a64c160$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021615530.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> I added some text on it (I took it shamelessly from the codeur.org
> site) and removed the cartoon. Let me know what you think.... Of
> course we need to add some design to it. Eg a nice looking font for
> the quote.

I think it's much better. I'd like to contribute stuff to the website from
time to time. May I get a zope account ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  2 16:13:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:13:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021615530.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <04bc01c1f1eb$d979a0c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Sure.!

I'll send you your account information.

Tom.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!


> On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>
> > I added some text on it (I took it shamelessly from the codeur.org
> > site) and removed the cartoon. Let me know what you think.... Of
> > course we need to add some design to it. Eg a nice looking font for
> > the quote.
>
> I think it's much better. I'd like to contribute stuff to the website f=
rom
> time to time. May I get a zope account ?
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May  2 16:20:55 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:20:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] to all track chairmen
In-Reply-To: <20020429130524.GB8638@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021714090.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Track organizers, we need a short description of the tracks you're
> working on to put on the website. Please send along all stuff to this
> thread, I'll collect it all and create a web page.
> 
> If no abstract of your track is forthcoming soon, I'll make something
> up instead, which may not be what you want. :)

"""
Python In Science And Industry

This track will focus on the use of Python in science and industry, where
tasks imply modelling complex systems (thermics, fluid dynamics,
mechanics, aeronautics, biology, chemistry, etc.), processing very large
data sets and achieving very CPU-intensive and long calculations. Speakers
will present tool sets, frameworks and examples of successful applications
based on Python and integrated with the other usual tools and applications
used in the field.
"""

Any help to improve the above abstract will be greatly appreciated :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May  3 00:22:30 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:22:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021403300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <01dc01c1f231$22290f00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter>

Oops,

I forgot something! The first day in the morning was supposed to be only
tutorials.... So it could be that if we move the Science Track to the
morning lot's of people will not be there on the conference (because they
assume tutorials will be given and do not come for these).

So, what will we do? Still put them on Track 3 in the morning (Day 1)?
Or start from 11:00 in the morning (Day1 Track 3)?
Or place the first session in the afternoon of Track3 / Day 1?

I'm not sure, perhaps you didn't mention your people about the tutorials, so
we could still place it on Track3 / Day1 starting from 9.00h

Regards,
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks


> 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free.

Moving it to Day1/Track3 is fine with me as I have to speak on Day2 PM in
the Python Apps track.

BTW, because of very similar blue/violet colors, I can't make a difference
between Zope and Web services talks...

--
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris
(France)







From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May  3 00:28:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 01:28:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021453460.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <01dd01c1f231$25560c00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I received a nice graphic from Vincent and I couldn't wait to put the home
page online.
I hope nobody minds! Yes, it is a graphic and graphics perhaps don't fit in
a home page, but I love this one.
If people don't like it, let me know and I'll remove it (with pain in my
heart :-).

Regards,
Tom.





From denis@aragne.com  Fri May  3 03:31:04 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:31:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
In-Reply-To: <01dd01c1f231$25560c00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021453460.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <01dd01c1f231$25560c00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020503043104.P32106@carolo.net>

Le Fri, May 03, 2002 at 01:28:56AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> I received a nice graphic from Vincent and I couldn't wait to put the home
> page online.
> I hope nobody minds! Yes, it is a graphic and graphics perhaps don't fit in
> a home page, but I love this one.
> If people don't like it, let me know and I'll remove it (with pain in my
> heart :-).

Waw ! Even if Vincent was my worse ennemy, I would love this image ...

Most of us don't fear a 32kb image (or then we lynx/links). 
Perhaps a little bit smaller for laptop users ?

(private joke : I'll buy more orange juice tomorrow !)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From marc@msys.ch  Fri May  3 08:22:50 2002
From: marc@msys.ch (Marc Balmer)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:22:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Session
Message-ID: <936B25CD-5E66-11D6-A525-003065F9345A@msys.ch>

Hi All

Given that I am Charleroi three days and give one talk, I can always
give a tutorial session if that is needed.

Regards,
Marc

--
Marc Balmer, HyperWerk, University of Applied Sciences, Basel
Totentanz 17-18, 4051 Basel, http://www.hyperwerk.ch/mb/




From Juergen Hermann" <jhe@webde-ag.de  Fri May  3 10:44:37 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jhe@webde-ag.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 11:44:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <01dc01c1f231$22290f00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <E173ZcD-00051c-00@smtp.web.de>

On Fri, 3 May 2002 01:22:30 +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:

>I forgot something! The first day in the morning was supposed to be onl=
y
>tutorials.... So it could be that if we move the Science Track to the
>morning lot's of people will not be there on the conference (because th=
ey
>assume tutorials will be given and do not come for these).

I planned to arrive Wednesday morning, and thus cannot guarantee to be t=
here 
at 9:00 AM. So I think you should at least ask the people supposed to gi=
ve 
the talks in that track if that is ok with them.



Ciao, J=FCrgen

--
J=FCrgen Hermann, Developer (jhe@webde-ag.de)
WEB.DE AG, http://webde-ag.de/





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 20:38:03 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:38:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Help
Message-ID: <035701c1f148$0016ad30$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

It would really be nice if some designers could help me on the following
pages:

http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress

http://europython.zope.nl/news/newsEntries/20020429

http://europython.zope.nl/news/index_html (must display old news)

The pages look like **** at the moment and I hope somebody can send me a
nice mockup.

Regards, tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  1 20:57:54 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 21:57:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Help
Message-ID: <037d01c1f14a$7e6cad90$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

It would really be nice if some designers could help me on the following
pages:

http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress

http://europython.zope.nl/news/newsEntries/20020429

http://europython.zope.nl/news/index_html (must display old news)

The pages look like **** at the moment and I hope somebody can send me a
nice mockup.

Regards, tom.






From mvm@brutele.be  Thu May  2 16:15:14 2002
From: mvm@brutele.be (Vincent)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:15:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021453460.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <048a01c1f1e2$5a64c160$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <001201c1f1ec$2991a030$bbff44d4@gfx1>

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What do you think about this ???
Is it too much ???

See you soon,
Vincent.

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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:29:50 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:29:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>
References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020504082950.GA20716@vet.uu.nl>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
[pictures]
> This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time...

Yes, Tom, very nice!

> When looking at the schedule, I think that the keynote at the end of the 
> day is a really nice idea... but we'll have to be very strict about 
> duration of talks if we want to be out in time.

Naturally; we need the track managers to pull out watches and bark
at everybody a lot if they take too long. :)

It also depends on how strict CEME is about kicking us out in the evening.

> Paul, Tom do we need to be more specific about the Zope talks... I mean 
> separating them in different Zope tracks as Zope infrastructure (Zope 3, 
> i18n), Zope Content Management, etc... ?

Might be nice but wouldn't be very important in my mind; we'll just see what
type of mix we'll get.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:35:27 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:35:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] exclamation mark elimination squad
Message-ID: <20020504083526.GD20716@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

As a member of the secret PSU unit of the multiple exclamation mark
elemination squad, I've removed an instance of three !!! from the
europython homepage. With Terry Pratchett I'm of the opinion that
more than one ! is too much of a good thing (and a sign of a slipping
grip on reality, but then we do use Python.. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:38:46 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:38:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20020504083846.GE20716@vet.uu.nl>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> All the people that I spoke with who went to IPC 10, including 2 from
> my own company said that the Lightning talks were by far the most
> important thing at IPC 10.  Thus they should not be scheduled to
> overlap with any talks or tutorials because they are the one thing
> that everybody will want to attend, reguardless of their other interests.

I rather like the third day being filled with lightning talks and such;
such things are nice, easy to drop in on, one doesn't fall asleep very
quickly, and that would be perfect for the third day's morning. So let's
keep them as is.

We can keep that open space for, say, a EuroZope members meeting or
somesuch, even though that may happen on the third day as well..

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:41:29 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:41:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ...
In-Reply-To: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020504084129.GF20716@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I need questions on these really soon:
> 
> 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they
> would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the
> conference concerning their open source titles.

> Are people against this? Is it now official that a book company has a stand
> at EuroPython. And if so, can we still allow these kinds of leaflets to be
> spread out at the conference.

I think so.

> I've nothing against it, but wan't to know other peoples opinions before I
> write them back.

Sure, but perhaps they'd also like to do something nice, like sponsor
us or give us some free booty to distribute. :)

> 2) Press People: I already asked this before. Are there special rules for
> Press People? I guess they get free entrance. Are there other things we take
> into account?

Well, we do need to vet every press person that comes up.. is there some
special procedure to check whether someone is 'press'? I mean, otherwise
everybody can claim they're press..

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:43:45 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:43:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net>
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl>

Denis Fr?re wrote:
> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > 
> > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.
> 
> OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news
> from ShareIT.

What do we do with the student discount, though?

> Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate
> entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to
> 'inherit' from the first one ?

Would that be for the student discount?

Hm... What'd the third type of entry be? 

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:45:23 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:45:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace...
In-Reply-To: <20020502063240.C27991@carolo.net>
References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com> <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020502063240.C27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <20020504084523.GH20716@vet.uu.nl>

Denis Fr?re wrote:
> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:42:23PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > 
> > Fixed this a few hours ago! Now it should be possible to access
> > https://secure.zope.nl/europython without a prob
> 
> (Not really questions for Tom, though I profit of his mail to ask.)
> 
> Wouldn't it be possible to have www.europython.org set to point to
> the Amaze machine (DNS) ?
> 
> What next with that name ? Is the present owner ready to let it to the
> EuroPython organisation ?

Yeah, that's Thomas Reulbach and I've tried to accomplish that with him
before, but he hasn't transferred it yet.

I'll mail him again.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:51:40 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:51:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020504085139.GJ20716@vet.uu.nl>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed
> > them in which rooms they would go.
> > 
> > You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> > (In more detail topic)
> 
> wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry
> go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ?

We still have some free space on day two, but that'd run in parallel with
science and industry already. Perhaps we can move some other tracks
forward on that day and have a science and industry session in AM as 
well?

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May  4 09:54:54 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:54:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] do we have a confirm from Jim Fulton?
Message-ID: <20020504085454.GK20716@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I see Jim Fulton's name is on the homepage now; we do actually have
a confirm that he's going to show up? If so, that's very cool, but if
not, let's please withdraw that for now!

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 11:53:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 12:53:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] exclamation mark elimination squad
References: <20020504083526.GD20716@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <00d501c1f35b$b34ebd60$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:35 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] exclamation mark elimination squad


> Hi there,
>

> As a member of the secret PSU unit of the multiple exclamation mark
elemination squad, I've removed an instance of three !!! from the
> europython homepage. With Terry Pratchett I'm of the opinion that more
than one ! is too much of a good thing (and a sign of a slipping
> grip on reality, but then we do use Python.. :)


ah, you dare!!! :-)))

Tom.






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 12:01:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:01:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <00d601c1f35b$b653e710$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: "Denis Fr?re" <denis@aragne.com>; "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>;
"Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>; "EuroPython Mailing List"
<europython@python.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges


> Denis Fr?re wrote:
> > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > >
> > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.
> >
> > OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news
> > from ShareIT.
>
> What do we do with the student discount, though?
>
> > Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate
> > entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to
> > 'inherit' from the first one ?
>
> Would that be for the student discount?
>
> Hm... What'd the third type of entry be?

We had 3,5 :-)

1) Normal
2) Early Bird
3) Student
3,5) If they really ask for it: 1 Day

Tom.

> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 12:06:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:06:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sprint - Zope
Message-ID: <00d701c1f35b$b912e000$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

Not really subject to the EuroPython, but close:

Is there someone working for organizing a zope3 sprint before EuroPython? Or
is this idea not followed any more.

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 12:15:13 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:15:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020504085139.GJ20716@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <010401c1f35c$f9e77180$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks.
> > > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet
placed
> > > them in which rooms they would go.
> > >
> > > You can find them at
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> > > (In more detail topic)
> >
> > wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and
Industry
> > go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it
?
>
> We still have some free space on day two, but that'd run in parallel with
> science and industry already. Perhaps we can move some other tracks
> forward on that day and have a science and industry session in AM as
> well?

Or we let the Science session start at 11:00 Day 1. This however means that
one session is parallel with Tutorials.

Or we pay for a guard and have the end-time of the conference later on the
day.

Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 12:31:13 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:31:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chat on Monday
Message-ID: <011601c1f35f$386fd3a0$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I put some points together which need to be decided at the IRC Chat:
(It contains a summary of the session problems)

http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6

Regards,
Tom.







From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 12:49:54 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 13:49:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Small Gift...
Message-ID: <012e01c1f361$cfc9f120$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Let us all take a little break... just to keep the spirit...

Something has changed on the home page.... but what? Search for it and
you'll get a small gift for your hard work!

Happy hunting,

from Vincent Maton (who did the most work)
and Tom

Have a nice weekend.





From mal@lemburg.com  Sat May  4 15:46:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:46:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205021312300.7815-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020504085139.GJ20716@vet.uu.nl> <010401c1f35c$f9e77180$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CD3F42E.1FAD0213@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > > wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and
> Industry
> > > go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it
> ?

Looking at the track's wiki page I can't really find the need
for three sessions: you have 4 confirmed talks and those would
easily fit into 2 sessions.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Sat May  4 15:55:54 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:55:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track (Chat on Monday)
References: <011601c1f35f$386fd3a0$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CD3F67A.3C16DF7E@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> I put some points together which need to be decided at the IRC Chat:
> (It contains a summary of the session problems)
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6

Note that we will only use one session of the web services
track for talks. The other was highjacked by the business
track for more indepth discussions of the subject (in BoF
style or as panel discussion).

Moving the track to day 2 is not an option because Tim and
I would like to attend the applications track. Moving the
web services session 1 to day 1 PM and keeping session 2
on day 3 for the business track discussion would probably
be possible though. 

I've added some other issues to the above meeting page.
I hope I can make it to that meeting.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Sat May  4 16:15:42 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:15:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020501231839.P27991@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3CD3FB1E.D2A56B2C@lemburg.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
>=20
> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:16:59PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > >
> > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but
> > > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ?
> >
> > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a =
VAT.
>=20
> I know that P3B don't *need* one, but *may* have one.
> Do visitors would be interrested in P3B having a VAT number ?
> - Yes if we consider 200 EUR is a VAT included price
> - No if the conference price is 200 EUR + VAT
>=20
> In the first case, they will just have a 200 EUR expense.
> In the last case, they would have a 165 EUR expense + 35 EUR VAT
> but then EuroPython would have 165 EUR (gross) benefit and Belgium VAT
> administration a 35 EUR benefit for each visitor.
> If EuroPython wants to earn 200 EUR/vistor, then the entrance fee must
> be 242 EUR.
>=20
> Tell me if I'm wrong.

I can't tell you, but your account can. You'll have to ask him
whether P3B has to charge VAT on the conference fee or not.
Depending on the corporation status of P3B and how conferences
are treated with respect to VAT in Belgium this may or may
not be the case.

In any case, we need to be very careful about this, since if
we get this wrong, P3B may be held liable for the VAT by the
revenue service, leaving P3B with unexpected "costs" of
more than EUR 15.000 (400 * 0,21 * 200 EUR) !

Note: We need to know this *before* going public with the=20
payment interface.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 16:15:20 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:15:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] website: update
Message-ID: <021401c1f37f$7e7b4ad0$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all

* News page looks good now and added to the main navigation

* Single news page is finished too

* Home page is updated to a new front (we even have a surpise)

* Press-release has now a page on its on (moved to main navigation menu)

* Added the time-schedules online (they can still change!)

* The site can now be visited on secure line :
https://secure.zope.nl/europython  (many thanks to the people from Amaze,
who provide us the webspace and server!)

To Do Urgent:

* Payment system: Denis has already created a ShareIT account. I'm wainting
on him, until he receives a go from ShareIT
   Work is under way to make a payment system through EuroZope as well.
(we've now a secure line) and waiting on information from Joachim.

To Do:

* Workfloor plan. I've asked for a nice floorplan picture of level 1 at the
CEME people (bigger image then the existing one).
   Waiting on the which tracks go in which room etc discussion.

* Putting Track information online

* Putting the filled session online (wait until possible)

* Confirmation of well-known people that they will come to the conference,
so we can put them online

* Evening activities?

* More information?

* What else?

Have fun,
Regards,
Tom.





From mal@lemburg.com  Sat May  4 17:49:03 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 18:49:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> Denis Fr?re wrote:
> > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> > >
> > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account.
> >
> > OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news
> > from ShareIT.
> 
> What do we do with the student discount, though?

Simple: you add a new product with the reduced rate.

Students will then have to bring their student license to
the registration desk to obtain the entry badge.
 
> > Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate
> > entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to
> > 'inherit' from the first one ?
> 
> Would that be for the student discount?

No, Denis was probably talking about how to setup the
products in the ShareIT control panel. The normal procedure
to declare a base product which has all the standard
settings and then adjust the values for the derived
products.

Denis, if you can send me the login data, I could setup
the products for you. You can change the password again,
after I've made the changes.
 
> Hm... What'd the third type of entry be?

Let's see:
"""
Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro
Normal fee      (after may 19)       : 250 euro
Students                             : 100 euro

Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the
conference themselves.
"""

The early bird rate would be disabled after May 19.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 17:58:55 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:58:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

<snip>

> Let's see:
> """
> Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro
> Normal fee      (after may 19)       : 250 euro
> Students                             : 100 euro
>
> Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the
> conference themselves.

Isn't after may 19th a little bit too early? Why not say until June the
first?

Tom.





From mal@lemburg.com  Sat May  4 18:00:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:00:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net> <027c01c1f1b7$278fa8c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD413B3.401BB785@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Please people! Let not all just look and say at the end 'well, I told you,
> that it would not work'. The congress WILL happen, how GOOD it will be, will
> only depend on yourself. So spread the word, look for people, help on some
> tasks (if only to discuss some points and help discussions at IRC) and be
> ready at 26-28 of July!

Make that: 26-28 June :-)

Seriously, at this stage, you simply have to assign work to the
people on the various teams rather than wait for them to
speak up. This means: writing personal emails or simply
phoning them up.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May  4 18:26:59 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 19:26:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net> <027c01c1f1b7$278fa8c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD413B3.401BB785@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <02ed01c1f390$e8432800$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

> >
> > Please people! Let not all just look and say at the end 'well, I told
you,
> > that it would not work'. The congress WILL happen, how GOOD it will be,
will
> > only depend on yourself. So spread the word, look for people, help on
some
> > tasks (if only to discuss some points and help discussions at IRC) and
be
> > ready at 26-28 of July!
>
> Make that: 26-28 June :-)
>
> Seriously, at this stage, you simply have to assign work to the people on
the various teams rather than wait for them to speak up. This means: writing
personal emails or simply  phoning them up.

Yeah, I noticed this.
Joachim is working on the registration through EuroZope. We need to wait now
until some products are installed on the server.

Regards,
Tom.





From mal@lemburg.com  Sat May  4 18:54:36 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:54:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > Let's see:
> > """
> > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro
> > Normal fee      (after may 19)       : 250 euro
> > Students                             : 100 euro
> >
> > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the
> > conference themselves.
> 
> Isn't after may 19th a little bit too early? Why not say until June the
> first?

That was a quote taken from the mailing list. I'd rather dump the
early-bird registration altogether: if we manage to setup the
ShareIT registration next week, we'll have 3 weeks of payments
in May. The money from ShareIT for this month will be on the 
P3B bank account by mid-June -- and that's all we have to
finance upfront costs.

BTW, what did the budget team decide on the exhibitor and 
sponsor fees ?

We will need those RSN too and a team to inform the exhibitors
and sponsors.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From guido@python.org  Sat May  4 22:38:37 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:38:37 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 19:54:36 +0200."
 <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com>
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <200205042138.g44Lcf905016@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

> That was a quote taken from the mailing list. I'd rather dump the
> early-bird registration altogether: if we manage to setup the
> ShareIT registration next week, we'll have 3 weeks of payments
> in May. The money from ShareIT for this month will be on the 
> P3B bank account by mid-June -- and that's all we have to
> finance upfront costs.

You need the early bird discount to encourage people to sign up early,
so that (a) you have some money for up front cost, and perhaps more
importantly (b) you have an idea of how registration goes.  If there's
no early bird discount, everybody will follow their natural
tendencies, which is to wait until the last moment.  (Also make sure
they understand that if they register and pay at the door it's even
more expensive -- I'd say EU 50 more again; otherwise you'll have
endless lines with walk-on registrants.)

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From guido@python.org  Sat May  4 22:41:59 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:41:59 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Jim Fulton and Zope3 sprint
Message-ID: <200205042142.g44Lg2D05245@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

I just asked Jim.  He wants to be there and do a Zope3 sprint, but
it's not yet 100% decided (so if you announce this, use words like
"likely").

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be  Sun May  5 01:00:19 2002
From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 02:00:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Jim Fulton and Zope3 sprint
References: <200205042142.g44Lg2D05245@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <038201c1f3c8$3c263430$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>

Thanks for the info Guido!

Tom.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Guido van Rossum" <guido@python.org>
To: <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:41 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Jim Fulton and Zope3 sprint


> I just asked Jim.  He wants to be there and do a Zope3 sprint, but
> it's not yet 100% decided (so if you announce this, use words like
> "likely").
> 
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Sun May  5 15:35:10 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:35:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Chat on Monday
In-Reply-To: <011601c1f35f$386fd3a0$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205051632190.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Hi,
> 
> I put some points together which need to be decided at the IRC Chat:
> (It contains a summary of the session problems)
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6

I will not be able to attend that IRC session as I will be out of town on
monday. Concerning item 1, please just make sure you don't ditch the
Science track :-)

My progress so far with that Track is at
http://www.europython/draftwiki/PythonInScienceAndIndustryTrack
that lists *confirmed* speakers only. I have other potential speakers that
are not written therein.

Have a good chat, I'll read the report afterwards.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Sun May  5 15:39:31 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:39:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
In-Reply-To: <3CD3F42E.1FAD0213@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205051636160.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Looking at the track's wiki page I can't really find the need
> for three sessions: you have 4 confirmed talks and those would
> easily fit into 2 sessions.

Should I send e-mails to every speaker that's not confirmed yet to tell
them they're not welcome anymore ? I think we have room left for sessions,
unless the current timetable is really not up to date... and I think I
will have enough speakers for three sessions and I would like the three
sessions to happen on the same day... now if I end up having only speakers
for two sessions, I'll happily give more room to another Track. I should
know that within a week or ten days.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun May  5 18:22:59 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 19:22:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chat on Monday
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205051632190.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <004101c1f459$9c649a30$7f8c84d5@skullsplitter>

>I will not be able to attend that IRC session as I will be out of town on
>monday. Concerning item 1, please just make sure you don't ditch the
>Science track :-)

I hope to be able to attend it too, but unfortunately, not like last week,
I'm this time at my work and my collegue has vacation, so it's quiet
possible that I won't be able to be on the chat all the time :-(
I hope somebody looks at the points dough and solutions are provided.

Regards,
Tom.







From mal@lemburg.com  Sun May  5 22:25:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:25:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com> <200205042138.g44Lcf905016@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3CD5A332.78B63FC1@lemburg.com>

Guido van Rossum wrote:
> 
> > That was a quote taken from the mailing list. I'd rather dump the
> > early-bird registration altogether: if we manage to setup the
> > ShareIT registration next week, we'll have 3 weeks of payments
> > in May. The money from ShareIT for this month will be on the
> > P3B bank account by mid-June -- and that's all we have to
> > finance upfront costs.
> 
> You need the early bird discount to encourage people to sign up early,
> so that (a) you have some money for up front cost, and perhaps more
> importantly (b) you have an idea of how registration goes.  If there's
> no early bird discount, everybody will follow their natural
> tendencies, which is to wait until the last moment.  (Also make sure
> they understand that if they register and pay at the door it's even
> more expensive -- I'd say EU 50 more again; otherwise you'll have
> endless lines with walk-on registrants.)

Ok, so how about limiting the early bird discount to
all registrations up to and including May 31. We'll get
those by mid-June on the bank account. All later online
registrations will be on the bank account by mid-July -- 
half a month after the conference.

Plus, raise the on-site registration to standard fee + EUR 50.

PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone
who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online
registration data + the conference speaker data for printing
them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with 
a printer and appropriate software for doing the same
in real-time.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Sun May  5 22:37:17 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:37:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205051636160.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CD5A60D.8067D07E@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> 
> > Looking at the track's wiki page I can't really find the need
> > for three sessions: you have 4 confirmed talks and those would
> > easily fit into 2 sessions.
> 
> Should I send e-mails to every speaker that's not confirmed yet to tell
> them they're not welcome anymore ? 

Nicolas, I wasn't suggesting that: The problem is that the
wiki page doesn't mention how many speakers you have talked to 
and are yet unconfirmed. It also doesn't state how much time 
you give them for the talks and whether you are focussing on 
2 talks per session or 3 talks per session.

> I think we have room left for sessions,
> unless the current timetable is really not up to date... and I think I
> will have enough speakers for three sessions and I would like the three
> sessions to happen on the same day... now if I end up having only speakers
> for two sessions, I'll happily give more room to another Track. I should
> know that within a week or ten days.

The problem with a three session track is that it doesn't
fit well into the existing schedule (which is either 1, 2 or
4 sessions per track). 

The only remaining sessions are those on day 1 PM. If we reserve 
the 13:30 session for you, would that be fine ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From denis@aragne.com  Mon May  6 04:37:38 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 05:37:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] ShareIT
Message-ID: <20020506053738.J32106@carolo.net>

No news from ShareIT yet.

I hope I will receive something this Monday.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Mon May  6 04:45:58 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 05:45:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
Message-ID: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net>

We should be able now to have a better budget estimation.
I remember some of you volunteered to prepare a spreadsheet, with all
the points we have to think to.

How many 'info' people do you think we will need ? Will we need extra
hours ? How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May  6 09:29:03 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:29:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
Message-ID: <3CD63ECF.2040703@lemburg.com>

This is a reminder about today's EuroPython IRC meeting.
As discussed in the last IRC meeting we will have these
meetings every Monday at UTC 15:00 (that's 17:00 CEST).

The meeting is held at irc.openprojects.net in the #europython
channel.

The agenda is at:

	http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon May  6 09:38:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 10:38:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> We should be able now to have a better budget estimation.
> I remember some of you volunteered to prepare a spreadsheet, with all  the
points we have to think to.

If nobody replies on this one, then I'll help on this subject Denis (I think
you know this already, because of the mail I send you on saterday). (first
to tell that I haven't read my mail at home yet)

I've no background in this at all, but it should be done before the end of
this week. I would even say: this wednesday we need to have it already. If
we want to invite companies.

> How many 'info' people do you think we will need ?

I guess 1 or 2 (so they can backup). They are just there to help people find
hotels, taxis, information on Charleroi City, buses, phone calls, ticket
problems, flight problems, sending faxes, toilets :-)...
I think these people are needed. I've good memmories of such people at
conferences. They could really help me when I was in panic, concerning
certain problems and they could help in the native language of the country.
Explain the problem etc

>Will we need extra hours ?

I don't know if we need extra hours, but I'm sure we need guards.... If we
have booths, there must be surveillance during the nights... This means that
we've to hire a guard (or more). Are we or the congress (who's responsible?)
for theft?
Anyway if we've guards, we don't have to think anymore on the time and if
needed we can take extra hours without a problem.

>  How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...

I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or
200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conference
isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this
small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these
conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of
'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this
isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth
(=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs).
Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not
sure)

Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this
is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the
internet connection, projector and small conference room.

So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro
+ entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on
friday))  + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector,
conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?)

I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course,
this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among
us, do we :-) )

We also need people at the entry (last-minute payments, making of badges,
...)
We need price settings for these too. (Can the conference offer english
speaking personel?)

Regards,
Tom

> Denis
>
> --
> Denis FRERE
> P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
> OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org
> Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May  6 11:56:41 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:56:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>

Just a few comments...

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>How many 'info' people do you think we will need ?
> 
> 
> I guess 1 or 2 (so they can backup). They are just there to help people find
> hotels, taxis, information on Charleroi City, buses, phone calls, ticket
> problems, flight problems, sending faxes, toilets :-)...
> I think these people are needed. I've good memmories of such people at
> conferences. They could really help me when I was in panic, concerning
> certain problems and they could help in the native language of the country.
> Explain the problem etc

+1

>>Will we need extra hours ?
> 
> 
> I don't know if we need extra hours, but I'm sure we need guards.... If we
> have booths, there must be surveillance during the nights... This means that
> we've to hire a guard (or more). Are we or the congress (who's responsible?)
> for theft?
> Anyway if we've guards, we don't have to think anymore on the time and if
> needed we can take extra hours without a problem.

+1. I also think that we should get insurance for the booths, our rented
conference material (projectors, PCs, etc) and most important
to cover liability charges (e.g. someone hurts himself due to a
conference chair breaking, etc.).

>> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...
> 
> 
> I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or
> 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conference
> isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this
> small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these
> conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of
> 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this
> isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth
> (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs).
> Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not
> sure)
> 
> Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this
> is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the
> internet connection, projector and small conference room.
> 
> So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro
> + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on
> friday))  + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector,
> conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?)
> 
> I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course,
> this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among
> us, do we :-) )

I think you are seriously underestimating the value of
a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover
the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material
and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for
three days and two nights.

Even though we are not in this for the money, the booth
fees provide us with one of the very few ways to raise
upfront money to leverage risk and secure the budget.

> We also need people at the entry (last-minute payments, making of badges,
> ...)

Right.

I'd suggest having 3 people full time and an additional
2 on the first day in the morning hours. Please remember
that we will need to train these people before the
conference !

> We need price settings for these too. (Can the conference offer english
> speaking personel?)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 13:05:25 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:05:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01c701c1f4f6$4e3d0ac0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...
> >
> >
> > I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100
or
> > 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the
conference
> > isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this
> > small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these
> > conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5%
of
> > 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this
> > isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth
> > (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs).
> > Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not
> > sure)
> >
> > Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think
this
> > is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the
> > internet connection, projector and small conference room.
> >
> > So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max)
Euro
> > + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on
> > friday))  + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection,
projector,
> > conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?)
> >
> > I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of
course,
> > this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have
among
> > us, do we :-) )

> I think you are seriously underestimating the value of a booth here. Note
that the costs for the booth must cover
> the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material  and
organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for
> three days and two nights.

Right, correct, but material isn't included in the 200 EUR price.(and it
looks like I wrote that a little bit wrong above) All that is included in
the 200 EUR (or 100 EUR) is a 2,5m2 booth with a table and a chair.... I
think this is enough for just that.
If people want to have a PC, an internet connection, a projecter or/and a
conference room, they have to pay for that extra charge. Security and
assurance is another point. I don't know the prices of this and we may or
may not have to ask more for a base price (depending on the cost of
it)Therefor we need to know exact prices for all this (can you check this
with the conference people Denis? If possible right now, so we can make a
better estimate :-)).
On the other hand, the prices need to be attractive to the companies as
well. Otherwise, there will be no booths. So we've to look very close the
price setting (500 EUR as a base price, as it is now, is perhaps indeed too
much for such a small group of possible customers)
What I propose is:
1. To lower the plain basic price
2. Check the extra costs so that we can give exact figures to the companies
about these extra costs. These extra costs are the costs we've to pay to the
congress in order to use these kind of facilities, so we earn nothing from
that.
3. We mail (or phone; but I can't phone since I can only phone in the
evenings due to my other job) all companies we know of. If they want a boot,
then they pay upfront. This money can then be used for the first expenses.

Regards,
Tom.




From lac@strakt.com  Mon May  6 13:36:46 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:36:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
 of "Mon, 06 May 2002 12:56:41 +0200." <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>  <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...
> > 
> > 
> > I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or
> > 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conferenc
> e
> > isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this
> > small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these
> > conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of
> > 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this
> > isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth
> > (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs).
> > Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not
> > sure)
> > 
> > Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this
> > is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the
> > internet connection, projector and small conference room.
> > 
> > So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro
> > + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on
> > friday))  + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector,
> > conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?)
> > 
> > I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course
> ,
> > this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among
> > us, do we :-) )
> 
> I think you are seriously underestimating the value of
> a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover
> the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material
> and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for
> three days and two nights.

You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths.  Then you
must not charge less than it costs. That is a given.

> 
> Even though we are not in this for the money, the booth
> fees provide us with one of the very few ways to raise
> upfront money to leverage risk and secure the budget.

But businesses are not amateurs.  Thus when I pay 700 EUR for a booth
I am saying that I am getting more than 700 EUR worth of publicity, 
advertising, and eyeballs.  This is not measured in blue-sky, what-if,
I have a good feeling, whatever my neighborus did I can do as well, sort
of hobbyist thinking -- this is what a Marketing department does 
professionally.

I went to my Managing Director (what Americans call CEOs), to ask him
what the AB Strakt Marketting Department thinks a hacker eyeball is
worth.  .50 - 1 Euro.  We are willing to pay some more for publicity,
but not one hell of a lot, because we think that in the hacker community
we are already pretty well known.

If you charge much more than Tom says then AB Strakt would rather not
have a booth.  It is not profitable for us.  Now, if you have lots of
businesses out there who think that hacker eyeballs are worth lots
more money, or to be listed as a EuroPython sponsor (which was one
heck of a lot more valuable in February than now, by the way, and
getting worth less and less every minute), then by all means charge
what those businesses think it is worth.  But I don't see them.
SecretLabs with Pythonworks Pro and Wing IDE are candidates who might
spent a huge amount to show their IDEs to hackers, but as far as one
can tell anything with a Wiki they aren't even interested.  They may
not even know it is available.

Laura Creighton



From guido@python.org  Mon May  6 13:50:54 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:50:54 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 14:36:46 +0200."
 <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>
 <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

Have you guys approached O'Reilly yet as a sponsor?  They often
sponsor events like this, to a serious tune -- hacker eyeballs are
worth a lot to them!  Contact: Betsy Waliszewski <betsy@oreilly.com>

Also, a local computer bookstore might be interested in having a
bookstand to sell books to hackers.  Maybe the two ideas can work
together.

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Mon May  6 13:51:55 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:51:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>              <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1020689515.3cd67c6b06c50@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Guido van Rossum <guido@python.org>:

> Have you guys approached O'Reilly yet as a sponsor?  They often
> sponsor events like this, to a serious tune -- hacker eyeballs are
> worth a lot to them!  Contact: Betsy Waliszewski <betsy@oreilly.com>

Having translated some ORA books I did (someone in UK where 
they feel responsible for Belgium, too). They are not interested,
obviously because the event is too much of a small scale one...

> Also, a local computer bookstore might be interested in having a
> bookstand to sell books to hackers.  Maybe the two ideas can work
> together.

AFAIK, there will be one, but not in order to sponsor, only in order
to generate more of a bazzaar feeling... (and sell books) Tom and 
Denis should know more.

Dinu



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 13:57:02 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:57:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com>              <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Well, I've contacted (while back):

New Riders
Sams Publishing
IDG

And I received the following responses:

Sams Publishing: We get some give-away books.
New Riders: Can't be at the conference, but would like to distribute
flyers/brochures. According to the great information Laura provided me, I've
contacted them again for the price settling (this was thurday, and untill
now, no response)
IDG: No respons.

I think Dinu (correct?) had contact with O'Reilly and we forwarded this
information to Denis, who made contact with these people. These people asked
for a booth to sell books (with a reduction fee for the conference)

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guido van Rossum" <guido@python.org>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Budget team


> Have you guys approached O'Reilly yet as a sponsor?  They often
> sponsor events like this, to a serious tune -- hacker eyeballs are
> worth a lot to them!  Contact: Betsy Waliszewski <betsy@oreilly.com>
>
> Also, a local computer bookstore might be interested in having a
> bookstand to sell books to hackers.  Maybe the two ideas can work
> together.
>
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
>
>
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From guido@python.org  Mon May  6 14:07:20 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:07:20 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 14:57:02 +0200."
 <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
 <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <200205061307.g46D7Ku04639@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

FYI, I've now asked Betsy on you guys' behalf.  I've met her
personally a few times so who knows.

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon May  6 14:08:59 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 15:08:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>              <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136>  <200205061307.g46D7Ku04639@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <024101c1f4ff$2fed1930$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Woow, nice.
Thanks Guido

Tom.
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To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Budget team


> FYI, I've now asked Betsy on you guys' behalf.  I've met her
> personally a few times so who knows.
> 
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
> 
> 
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May  6 14:53:40 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:53:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>  <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com>

Laura Creighton wrote:
>>I think you are seriously underestimating the value of
>>a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover
>>the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material
>>and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for
>>three days and two nights.
> 
> 
> You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths.  Then you
> must not charge less than it costs. That is a given.

Certainly.

>>Even though we are not in this for the money, the booth
>>fees provide us with one of the very few ways to raise
>>upfront money to leverage risk and secure the budget.
> 
> 
> But businesses are not amateurs.  Thus when I pay 700 EUR for a booth
> I am saying that I am getting more than 700 EUR worth of publicity, 
> advertising, and eyeballs.  This is not measured in blue-sky, what-if,
> I have a good feeling, whatever my neighborus did I can do as well, sort
> of hobbyist thinking -- this is what a Marketing department does 
> professionally.
> 
> I went to my Managing Director (what Americans call CEOs), to ask him
> what the AB Strakt Marketting Department thinks a hacker eyeball is
> worth.  .50 - 1 Euro.  We are willing to pay some more for publicity,
> but not one hell of a lot, because we think that in the hacker community
> we are already pretty well known.

If that's so, then we might as well drop the whole idea
and save us a lot of hassles (getting insurance, guards, etc.).

At EUR 200 per booth this simply doesn't work out and is too
much of a risk to take:

I don't know if anyone of you has revisited the spreadsheet
published by Nicolas on the budget team wiki page. Looking
at that spreadsheet, he estimates the costs at EUR 65.000,00 and
his cost estimates seem very reasonable. Note that he estimates the
number of attendees at 425 total, which I think is a bit high (this
includes 125 non-paying attendees).

Taking those estimates as basis, and using the current fee structure,
the break even is somewhere at 300-350 paying attendees.

5 booths at EUR 200 each would probably generate around EUR 900
of net income -- the same as 5 paying attendees... it's
probably easier to another 5 visitors than to put much work
into getting companies to pay for booths :-/

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From lac@strakt.com  Mon May  6 15:07:59 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:07:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
 of "Mon, 06 May 2002 15:53:40 +0200." <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <200205061407.g46E7xjX014237@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> M.-A. Lemburg:
> 5 booths at EUR 200 each would probably generate around EUR 900
> of net income -- the same as 5 paying attendees... it's
> probably easier to another 5 visitors than to put much work
> into getting companies to pay for booths :-/

That is my analysis also.  However, I find the possibility of getting
hackers to pay for X number of internet connections in a room so that
they can download the stuff they forgot at home onto their laptops and
have spontaneous collaborations much more likely.  Ditto with a
public-use laser printer.

Laura




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May  6 15:33:21 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:33:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com> <200205061407.g46E7xjX014237@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <3CD69431.69CA9945@lemburg.com>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> 
> > M.-A. Lemburg:
> > 5 booths at EUR 200 each would probably generate around EUR 900
> > of net income -- the same as 5 paying attendees... it's
> > probably easier to another 5 visitors than to put much work
> > into getting companies to pay for booths :-/
> 
> That is my analysis also.  However, I find the possibility of getting
> hackers to pay for X number of internet connections in a room so that
> they can download the stuff they forgot at home onto their laptops and
> have spontaneous collaborations much more likely.  Ditto with a
> public-use laser printer.

Sorry, but you lost me there :-) What does setting up internet
connections have to do with setting up booths ?

The more we head towards the event, the more I get the feeling
that we should have contracted a professional conference
organizer for this. There's so much work to do and so little
active work input from volunteers that the conference is 
likely to head into chaos. I just want to make sure that we're
not stearing into financial chaos as well.

My feeling is that all extra services (like e.g. Internet
connection) should be provided by hired local service 
providers. Same for food, entrance monitoring, registration,
cleaning, etc.

There's simply just so much you can expect from a conference
which is being organized by less than 10 active individuals...
if nobody wants to help, we'll simply have to raise the 
entrance fees !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 15:59:18 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 16:59:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chat
Message-ID: <034101c1f50e$990f7980$1e71a8c0@u10136>

The Chat is within a few minutes...

Tom.




From denis@aragne.com  Mon May  6 16:05:24 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:05:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
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Le Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:36:46PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota:
> > >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...
> > > 
> You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths.  Then you
> must not charge less than it costs. That is a given.

That's why I think we can't go far under the prices proposed in the
Wiki.

What's 700 EUR for a company like Strakt ? One day work for a junior ?
How would you estimate the time I'm spending in that organisation ?
700 EUR is still peanuts.

I've been able to find a sponsor at 800 EUR for a booth and the bank
se guys will help us with the logistic too. The Dexia Bank will give
2000 EUR for a 1000 EUR expense. That's sponsoring.
If you can't take a risk, take no booth. But you'll perhaps miss a
European guy who could led to a 600.000 EUR project.

I'm going home for the IRC (I'll be there in a quarter). Here my Inet
connection is awfull today.

See you on the chat.

Denis

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From andrewdsmart@hotmail.com  Mon May  6 16:06:50 2002
From: andrewdsmart@hotmail.com (Andrew Smart)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:06:50 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
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Can anyone give me a information how to join over a web based interface? I 
have currently no access throu the firewall.

Regards,
Andrew



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From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon May  6 16:36:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:36:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
References: <F217rFV64tYuvS0V1xi0000a0c7@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <036201c1f513$d53d1b60$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Andrew,

I'm sorry, don't know.... What about a search for Java applat and IRC Cha=
t?

Tom.
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> From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
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> Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 16:42:30 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:42:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
References: <F217rFV64tYuvS0V1xi0000a0c7@hotmail.com> <036201c1f513$d53d1b60$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <037e01c1f514$a20d82b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Chatzilla could be a solution... don't ask me what it is. Godefroid uses =
it.

tom.



> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Smart" <andrewdsmart@hotmail.com>
> To: <mal@lemburg.com>; <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
>
>
> >
> > Can anyone give me a information how to join over a web based interfa=
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I
> > have currently no access throu the firewall.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
> > To: EuroPython Mailing List <europython@python.org>
> > Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00
> > Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:29:03 +0200
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From lac@strakt.com  Mon May  6 17:16:37 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 18:16:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: Message from Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?= <denis@aragne.com>
 of "Mon, 06 May 2002 17:05:24 +0200." <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <200205061616.g46GGbjX014737@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Le Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:36:46PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota:
> > > >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ...
> > > > 
> > You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths.  Then you
> > must not charge less than it costs. That is a given.
> 
> That's why I think we can't go far under the prices proposed in the
> Wiki.
> 
> What's 700 EUR for a company like Strakt ? One day work for a junior ?
> How would you estimate the time I'm spending in that organisation ?
> 700 EUR is still peanuts.
> 
> I've been able to find a sponsor at 800 EUR for a booth and the bank
> se guys will help us with the logistic too. The Dexia Bank will give
> 2000 EUR for a 1000 EUR expense. That's sponsoring.
> If you can't take a risk, take no booth. But you'll perhaps miss a
> European guy who could led to a 600.000 EUR project.
> 
> I'm going home for the IRC (I'll be there in a quarter). Here my Inet
> connection is awfull today.
> 
> See you on the chat.
> 
> Denis
> 
> -- 
> Denis FRERE
> P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
> OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
> Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com

You didn't listen the first, or the second time, I said this, so
now I have to say this again:

AB Strakt is not a charity.  700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely
an unprofitable business proposition at the valuation of .50 to 1.00
Euros a head for hackers.  You appear to be confusing 'cash for
access' -- the deal I was interested in, with 'cash for the sake of
spending cash' or 'cash for a worthy cause' or some such.

If you are suggesting that our valuation is wrong, and needs
significant adjusting upwards because you can provide better eyeballs,
then get on with your pitch.  There are thousands of business
opportunities every day, and selecting the correct ones is what people
like myself do for a living.  You are not marketing your conference as
a place where one can meet the people who do 600.000 deals.  I was
trying to _make_ this conference such a place a long time ago, and was
basically told that this was to be an amateur conference, of hackers,
for hackers.  This is fine, but hackers don't, in general, make
600.000 deals.  If there is anybody besides Andy Robinson, Paul
Everitt, and I who do this sort of thing regularily coming, then I
missed them.  Perhaps, therefore, I have mispriced you.  But if the
basis of your calculation is 'well, anybody could _possibly_ lead to a
large deal' -- then the business community already knows how to price
such possibilities, and the industry standard rate for our type of
business is '1 hacker - 0.50 Euros'.

Demonstrate that I am more likely to make a 600.000 Euro sale at
your conference than any bar in Charleroi if you want me to pay more
than the ~200 Euros I think you are worth to me.  This is a routine
business decision, not Wheel-Of-Fortune.

Laura



From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May  6 18:44:55 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:44:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting summary
Message-ID: <3CD6C117.A8860FB4@lemburg.com>

Here's the IRC meeting summary:

	http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6

Next meeting is Monday next week (2002-05-13), 15:00 UTC.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From denis@aragne.com  Mon May  6 19:57:59 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:57:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: <200205061616.g46GGbjX014737@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net> <200205061616.g46GGbjX014737@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20020506205759.O32106@carolo.net>

Le Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:16:37PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota:
>
> You didn't listen the first, or the second time, I said this, so
> now I have to say this again:
> 
> AB Strakt is not a charity.  700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely
> an unprofitable business proposition

Then, don't take a booth.

I'm investing hours and hours in this conference. Because I think it's a
good investment *and* because I do believe Python is much more than a
business opportunity. Would you check my count knowing that I've
refused/postponed work (800 EUR/day) so that I have some free time for
the conference ?

I already said things too : I'm not a conference organizer. I don't do
it for (direct) profit. I'm not willing to sell you a booth. I don't try
to make you wasting your money. If it's unprofitable, don't do it.
If it's less than what we said, it's unprofitable for us and we won't do
it.

What I do know, though, is this : I've made such a fuss with the
conference here that, this afternoon, I got a phone call from the
cabinet of our regional Minister-President (yes, he's called so). Now, 
they all know about Python *and* free-software.

I told them we're a strong community and now they want to see it. I
really don't mind how expensive it can be, I want to show them that
free-software and especially Python can do miracles. Isn't it what you
want to prove with the sprint-solving-problems-sessions ? Why don't you
prove it on the web, helping with the website, setting up a exhibitors
registration form or scripting a beautifull Gnumeric budget-spreadsheet
with Python ?

You don't care about a little Belgian regional President ? The ASWAD
project will be there to with European Commissioners. Isn't it enough ?
Then, bring your own potential clients in your suitcases. I managed to
get a free 4000 businesses mailing for our conference ; do the same in
your area and you will help the whole community in the same time you're
helping yourself.

Sorry to present a rude face, I'm _really_ looking forward to meet you.

Denis

"You may say I'm a dreamer ..." (John Lennon)
-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From andy@reportlab.com  Mon May  6 22:03:14 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:03:14 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <3CD5A332.78B63FC1@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEEHCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone
> who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online
> registration data + the conference speaker data for printing
> them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with 
> a printer and appropriate software for doing the same
> in real-time.
> 

Catching up after 3 days off... I think that's Reportlab's 
territory.

I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and
what fields will be in it, and we'll make sure that 
badges can be formatted fast.  If whoever is running the
site wants to do the work, we could let registered users
design their own.  Also let them fill in stuff about themselves,
and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and
talk synopses etc. which people download and print beforehand - 
which saves the conference money on printing.  We can
host a bunch of wizards on www.reportlab.com which the
EuroPython site can link to.

Unfortunately ANY such project has to start with sample
data; could whoever will be assembling the records of
people who signed up, or structuring the timetables,
mail me and we'll get to work on it?

Physically we'll need the plastic thingies and perforated
sheets and a deskjet or two.  I will be flying in alone
and cannot carry too much hardware.

- Andy



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 22:16:55 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:16:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEEHCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <022701c1f543$5ac9c0b0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>


> > PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone
> > who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online
> > registration data + the conference speaker data for printing
> > them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with
> > a printer and appropriate software for doing the same
> > in real-time.
> >
>
> Catching up after 3 days off... I think that's Reportlab's
> territory.

Great!

> I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields will
be in it, and we'll make sure that  badges can be formatted fast.

Mmm, the data will be on several places... ShareIt, EuroZope (if we can
finish it) and hopefully SWIFT payment.
So we should create our own database. I can do that on the EuroPython site,
we only need to decide which information we need.

And we need people to put the information in the database.

>If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let
registered users design their own.  Also let them fill in stuff about
themselves,

That's difficult, this would be only possible if we can manage the EuroZope
payment, since that is the only solution where people fill in data.
With VISA people pay through ShareIT and with SWIFT people pay through there
bank.

>and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and  talk synopses
etc. which people download and print beforehand -
> which saves the conference money on printing.

Good idea!

> We can host a bunch of wizards on www.reportlab.com which the EuroPython
site can link to.

Yup, let's do it.

 > Unfortunately ANY such project has to start with sample  data; could
whoever will be assembling the records of  people who signed up, or
structuring the timetables,  mail me and we'll get to work on it?

I do now :-). Nothing decided yet concerning the fields in records.
Timetables is something different, since they aren't ready yet.

> Physically we'll need the plastic thingies and perforated sheets and a
deskjet or two.  I will be flying in alone and cannot carry too much
hardware.

Over to Denis :-)

Regards,
 Tom.






From andy@reportlab.com  Mon May  6 22:23:31 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:23:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Obscenely cheap flights to Charleroi.....
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEEICHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

Ryanair just quoted me GBP 0.35 for the flight out (!),
and GBP 8.00 for the return.  Even with taxes the return
journey from Stansted to Charleroi is about 30 Euros.

If flying from other parts of Europe on a budget,
strongly consider taking one of the budget airlines
(www.ryanair.com, www.easyjet.com, www.go-fly.com)
to Stansted and out to Charleroi.  This would cover
about 30 locations in Europe...

And if the organisers are paying for Guido or others
from the USA, consider staging through London....

Enjoy
Andy Robinson



From andy@reportlab.com  Mon May  6 22:29:07 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:29:07 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
In-Reply-To: <022701c1f543$5ac9c0b0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIACEEJCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> > I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields will
> be in it, and we'll make sure that  badges can be formatted fast.
> 
> Mmm, the data will be on several places... ShareIt, EuroZope (if we can
> finish it) and hopefully SWIFT payment.
> So we should create our own database. I can do that on the 
> EuroPython site,
> we only need to decide which information we need.

My main worry is that my team and I know next to
nothing about Zope.   But ReportLab have a very fast
MySQL database hosted behind our web site - five of them
in fact - and all our tools are already installed on 
www.reportlab.com.  I suggest the minimum work solution
is for us to create a database, and grant access to anyone
involved.  Rather than making web input forms, we
can use ODBC so anyone with a Windoze box can just
paste stuff into Access and it's there, or review it.
Likewise there are many MySQL admin GUIs.  We can
make some fake test records and start work before
real data arrives.  If this is OK, say so and I will
set it up tonight....


> >If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let
> registered users design their own.  Also let them fill in stuff about
> themselves,
> 
> That's difficult, this would be only possible if we can manage 
> the EuroZope
> payment, since that is the only solution where people fill in data.
> With VISA people pay through ShareIT and with SWIFT people pay 
> through there
> bank.
> 
> >and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and  
> talk synopses
> etc. which people download and print beforehand -
> > which saves the conference money on printing.
> 
> Good idea!

This is an idea for a promo I have long wanted to do
- everyone at Seybold, XML-One or whatever (which I
could never afford to attend) gets a 'conference
pack' in real time generated by ReportLab!  the back of
the pack wwould have a discrete 'how we made this'
article too :-)

- Andy







From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 22:35:12 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:35:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIACEEJCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <033001c1f547$97836b60$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>


> > > I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields
will
> > be in it, and we'll make sure that  badges can be formatted fast.
> >
> > Mmm, the data will be on several places... ShareIt, EuroZope (if we can
> > finish it) and hopefully SWIFT payment.
> > So we should create our own database. I can do that on the
> > EuroPython site,
> > we only need to decide which information we need.
>
> My main worry is that my team and I know next to
> nothing about Zope.   But ReportLab have a very fast
> MySQL database hosted behind our web site - five of them
> in fact - and all our tools are already installed on
> www.reportlab.com.  I suggest the minimum work solution
> is for us to create a database, and grant access to anyone
> involved.  Rather than making web input forms, we
> can use ODBC so anyone with a Windoze box can just
> paste stuff into Access and it's there, or review it.
> Likewise there are many MySQL admin GUIs.  We can
> make some fake test records and start work before
> real data arrives.  If this is OK, say so and I will
> set it up tonight....

It's ok for me. And I think the easiest for you too.

> > >If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let
> > registered users design their own.  Also let them fill in stuff about
> > themselves,
> >
> > That's difficult, this would be only possible if we can manage
> > the EuroZope
> > payment, since that is the only solution where people fill in data.
> > With VISA people pay through ShareIT and with SWIFT people pay
> > through there
> > bank.
> >
> > >and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and
> > talk synopses
> > etc. which people download and print beforehand -
> > > which saves the conference money on printing.
> >
> > Good idea!
>
> This is an idea for a promo I have long wanted to do
> - everyone at Seybold, XML-One or whatever (which I
> could never afford to attend) gets a 'conference
> pack' in real time generated by ReportLab!  the back of
> the pack wwould have a discrete 'how we made this'
> article too :-)

Of course :-)


Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May  6 23:20:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 00:20:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
Message-ID: <036d01c1f54c$35ef0120$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Time Schedule is now updated to reflect the new changes. (there are still
some changes possible)
Contact page is added. (I realised that this wasn't available on the
website, too bad!). I'll add some other contact information on that page
soon.

When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we
good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-)

Godefroid: Sorry, I sticked with the gradient colors. Plain colors weren't
that nice. If more people don't like the gradient, then I'll remove it.

Regards,
Tom.







From andy@reportlab.com  Mon May  6 23:20:47 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:20:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: <20020506205759.O32106@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> > AB Strakt is not a charity.  700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely
> > an unprofitable business proposition
> 
> Then, don't take a booth.

I hate to say it but I cannot see the booth market
making a fortune for anyone.  Also, Reportlab will
not be taking one at any price.  Here's why:  I'd
have to bring a colleague to staff it, which will
leave only 1/3 of our team on duty, delay us on 
projects and cost us money back home quite apart 
from the extra flights, hotels etc.  

But if I did, I would be happy with a plain table
and a board to pin brochures one for 200 Euros,
accepting the risk of them being stolen overnight
etc., rather than anything more impressive with
connections, hardware and security.  I suggest
you do something simple and save yourself work.

If someone will pay more, offer them a full page
in the conference program.  Since we will let
everyone pull down their PDF program themselves,
printing could be pretty cheap :-)

- Andy






From andy@reportlab.com  Mon May  6 23:33:43 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:33:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
In-Reply-To: <036d01c1f54c$35ef0120$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEELCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we
> good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-)

I set up the MySQL database.  Anyone who might want to put stuff
in it, email me directly and I'll send back a password and
connect details.  We should rehearse connecting ASAP.

Since the data will be pretty important once we start to populate
it, maybe someone in a different country with mysql experience 
could volunteer to run a one-line backup command each night?

Thanks,

Andy



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 00:45:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 01:45:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEELCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <03a401c1f558$17518470$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>


> > When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we
> > good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-)
>
> I set up the MySQL database.  Anyone who might want to put stuff
> in it, email me directly and I'll send back a password and
> connect details.  We should rehearse connecting ASAP.

I can help. Send me the password and connect details tomorrow evening. Now,
I'm of to bed.

> Since the data will be pretty important once we start to populate
> it, maybe someone in a different country with mysql experience
> could volunteer to run a one-line backup command each night?

Sorry, not that much administrator MySQL knowledge. So  I can't help you
with an on-line backup. Sorry.

ps. Thinking on again on the previous emails: the SQL database used in
conjunction with EuroPython is PostGresSQL.
Just to let you know that you don't need Zope knowledge to connect, since it
is just a Postgressql database.

Tom

> Thanks,
>
> Andy
>






From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 08:15:24 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:15:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEEHCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3CD77F0C.B50FD624@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
> > PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone
> > who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online
> > registration data + the conference speaker data for printing
> > them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with
> > a printer and appropriate software for doing the same
> > in real-time.
> >
> 
> Catching up after 3 days off... I think that's Reportlab's
> territory.
> 
> I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and
> what fields will be in it, and we'll make sure that
> badges can be formatted fast.  If whoever is running the
> site wants to do the work, we could let registered users
> design their own.  Also let them fill in stuff about themselves,
> and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and
> talk synopses etc. which people download and print beforehand -
> which saves the conference money on printing.  We can
> host a bunch of wizards on www.reportlab.com which the
> EuroPython site can link to.

Please don't make things to complicated -- the badge
will only have to carry the name, company and the
EuroPython logo + conference headline.
 
> Unfortunately ANY such project has to start with sample
> data; could whoever will be assembling the records of
> people who signed up, or structuring the timetables,
> mail me and we'll get to work on it?
> 
> Physically we'll need the plastic thingies and perforated
> sheets and a deskjet or two.  I will be flying in alone
> and cannot carry too much hardware.

Could you setup a ConferenceRegistration page with this
information ? We need to know how many PCs, printers,
etc. we need ourselves.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 08:17:10 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:17:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Obscenely cheap flights to Charleroi.....
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEEICHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3CD77F76.80CE9D0C@lemburg.com>

This information should probably go on the travel web-site
page.

Thanks for digging it up, Andy.

Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
> Ryanair just quoted me GBP 0.35 for the flight out (!),
> and GBP 8.00 for the return.  Even with taxes the return
> journey from Stansted to Charleroi is about 30 Euros.
> 
> If flying from other parts of Europe on a budget,
> strongly consider taking one of the budget airlines
> (www.ryanair.com, www.easyjet.com, www.go-fly.com)
> to Stansted and out to Charleroi.  This would cover
> about 30 locations in Europe...
> 
> And if the organisers are paying for Guido or others
> from the USA, consider staging through London....
> 
> Enjoy
> Andy Robinson
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

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______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 08:20:02 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:20:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
Message-ID: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com>

I've updated the budget Excel sheet to what we know up to date:

    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_02.xls

To view it, you can use the free MS Excel viewer or a tool
like StarOffice which supports the XLS file format.

I still have some questions about it though:
* What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ???

Still missing are:
* Costs for insurance
* More exact estimates for traveling costs of invited speakers
* Costs for renting PCs etc. for use at the registration desk

Note that we are running a tight budget here... any unexpected
costs can easily cause a dept !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 08:28:41 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:28:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
> > > AB Strakt is not a charity.  700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely
> > > an unprofitable business proposition
> >
> > Then, don't take a booth.
> 
> I hate to say it but I cannot see the booth market
> making a fortune for anyone.  Also, Reportlab will
> not be taking one at any price.  

Ok, I've taken Strakt and ReportLab off the exhibitors page.
This leaves three interested parties. 

http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors

Now that we have fixed the pricing (EUR 700 for 4m2 space,
table, chair and one full entry; EUR 1200 for 8m2),
I think it's a good time to approach these candidates and
maybe some others as well. 

The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please
let me know if that should change.

Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how
many people have registered interest on the web site so far.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 09:20:36 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:20:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al.
Message-ID: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>

I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths.
Here's what I found:

Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance for the
booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed costs for
being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for accounting,
writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that and
you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00.

At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break even
we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will add
only to the debt.

Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get
5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea. 

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From gotcha@swing.be  Tue May  7 09:38:41 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:38:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507103807.00a7f2a8@pop.swing.be>

At 10:20 7/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths.
>Here's what I found:
>
>Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance for the
>booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed costs for
>being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for accounting,
>writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that and
>you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00.
>
>At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break even
>we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will add
>only to the debt.
>
>Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get
>5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea.

Totally agree on this point

>--
>Marc-Andre Lemburg
>CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>______________________________________________________________________

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From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 10:20:39 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:20:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track
Message-ID: <3CD79C67.7CC78A65@lemburg.com>

I've dicussed this with Tim and we are OK now for moving the
Web Services Track to day 2 PM. We'll have three 45 minute talks,
so need both slots.

We still want to keep a session on day 3 for the "Business BoF"
discussion.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:20:32 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:20:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> I've updated the budget Excel sheet to what we know up to date:
>
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_02.xls
>
> To view it, you can use the free MS Excel viewer or a tool
> like StarOffice which supports the XLS file format.
>
> I still have some questions about it though:
> * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ???

CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming?
Bus picking was an idea to let everyone pick up by bus on the mornings and
bring them back at the evenings.
ie. A bus would travel once in the morning once in the evening to/from the
congress passing all the hotels.
I think you can remove this option now.

> Still missing are:
> * Costs for insurance
> * More exact estimates for traveling costs of invited speakers
> * Costs for renting PCs etc. for use at the registration desk
>
> Note that we are running a tight budget here... any unexpected
> costs can easily cause a dept !
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:22:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:22:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAKEEHCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD77F0C.B50FD624@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00ec01c1f5b1$1e3dfd00$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Please don't make things to complicated -- the badge
> will only have to carry the name, company and the
> EuroPython logo + conference headline.

If we create the database in such a way that also the registration
information is included, then we can use that list for the congress entry as
well, therefor we should add some extra information for what the patient
payed : student, normal fee, etc.
I don't think it would be wise to set up another database for hendling this
information...

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:26:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:26:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Andy Robinson wrote:
> >
> > > > AB Strakt is not a charity.  700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us,
merely
> > > > an unprofitable business proposition
> > >
> > > Then, don't take a booth.
> >
> > I hate to say it but I cannot see the booth market
> > making a fortune for anyone.  Also, Reportlab will
> > not be taking one at any price.
>
> Ok, I've taken Strakt and ReportLab off the exhibitors page.
> This leaves three interested parties.
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors
>
> Now that we have fixed the pricing (EUR 700 for 4m2 space,
> table, chair and one full entry; EUR 1200 for 8m2),
> I think it's a good time to approach these candidates and
> maybe some others as well.

Ok. But you could still sell a simple table with a chair.... with another
price tag.
The company can then use it to display eg a poster and put some flyers on
it, but nothing else.
Nothing else will be included etc, eg theft etc.... It is just the bare
minimum (just like Andy proposes).
I don't take that this takes extra administratif work and it brings cash,
although little.

> The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please
> let me know if that should change.
>
> Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how
> many people have registered interest on the web site so far.

Can't follow.
The contact page is just created, so I don't think people have responded to
that already.

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:28:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:28:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al.
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <011601c1f5b1$f2fd5630$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths.
> Here's what I found:
>
> Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance for the
> booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed costs for
> being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for accounting,
> writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that and
> you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00.
>
> At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break even
> we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will add
> only to the debt.
>
> Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get
> 5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea.

Or drop the idea of assurrance, guards, ... and just give a table and
chair.... without anything else....

Tom.




From tim@2wave.net  Tue May  7 11:38:54 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:38:54 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020507103854.42205.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>

Marc

I think you're right about the risk assessment. We do
need a cutoff date assigned soon to be able to
progress either way. If you find we don't get the 5 we
need, an alternative could be for us to provide table
space for companies who would like to display
brochures or other material at a "Python Market". Our
responsibility would be to merely provide tables and
space; we would not be responsible for the safety of
any literature or any other items left there, nor for
the provision of power and lighting. However, if those
tables were located in the same place as the hostesses
are, they would be a natural presence to keep an eye
on the material against obvious vandalism. Such
brochure/meeting space could be sold at say 100 Euros
for the duration of the conference. 

This would be a figure that firms might feel it worth
to have a place where their wares can be displayed and
a natural place for them to meet with prospective
business partners. 

Just a thought...

Tim

 --- "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> wrote: > I've
revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths.
> Here's what I found:
> 
> Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance
> for the
> booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed
> costs for
> being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for
> accounting,
> writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that
> and
> you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00.
> 
> At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break
> even
> we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will
> add
> only to the debt.
> 
> Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get
> 5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea. 
> 
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>
______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                          
> http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                  
http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ 

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From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 11:43:39 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:43:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > I've updated the budget Excel sheet to what we know up to date:
> >
> >     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_02.xls
> >
> > To view it, you can use the free MS Excel viewer or a tool
> > like StarOffice which supports the XLS file format.
> >
> > I still have some questions about it though:
> > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ???
> 
> CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming?

CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from
them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi
authorities donating money for the conference ?

> Bus picking was an idea to let everyone pick up by bus on the mornings and
> bring them back at the evenings.
> ie. A bus would travel once in the morning once in the evening to/from the
> congress passing all the hotels.
> I think you can remove this option now.

Already done. (BTW, could you send me the login informatio
for the EuroPython site, so that I can upload XLS binaries
myself ?)
 
> > Still missing are:
> > * Costs for insurance
> > * More exact estimates for traveling costs of invited speakers
> > * Costs for renting PCs etc. for use at the registration desk
> >
> > Note that we are running a tight budget here... any unexpected
> > costs can easily cause a dept !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 11:50:07 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:50:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > Ok, I've taken Strakt and ReportLab off the exhibitors page.
> > This leaves three interested parties.
> >
> > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors
> >
> > Now that we have fixed the pricing (EUR 700 for 4m2 space,
> > table, chair and one full entry; EUR 1200 for 8m2),
> > I think it's a good time to approach these candidates and
> > maybe some others as well.
> 
> Ok. But you could still sell a simple table with a chair.... with another
> price tag.
> The company can then use it to display eg a poster and put some flyers on
> it, but nothing else.
> Nothing else will be included etc, eg theft etc.... It is just the bare
> minimum (just like Andy proposes).
> I don't take that this takes extra administratif work and it brings cash,
> although little.

We have to make a decision here:

a) either all interested parties can rent one of the 
available tables (for say EUR 100) with nothing else 
included and no strings attached (e.g. no insurance, 
no guards, ...)

or

b) we only have sell booths with strings attached

Having both doesn't work -- even with just one booth in
category b) we get to keep the full fixed costs for
these booths.

> > The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please
> > let me know if that should change.
> >
> > Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how
> > many people have registered interest on the web site so far.
> 
> Can't follow.
> The contact page is just created, so I don't think people have responded to
> that already.

I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to
have been removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it
anymore).

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:51:02 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:51:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track
References: <3CD79C67.7CC78A65@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <013401c1f5b5$14d566a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I've dicussed this with Tim and we are OK now for moving the
> Web Services Track to day 2 PM. We'll have three 45 minute talks,
> so need both slots.

Thanks, .... now I have to make the images again :-)))
Also good that it takes 2 sessions!!! Since then Day2 PM isn't that empty

> We still want to keep a session on day 3 for the "Business BoF"
discussion.

No prob, there is space for it :-)

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:56:20 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:56:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
References: <20020507103854.42205.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <015c01c1f5b5$d212fcf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> Marc
> 
> I think you're right about the risk assessment. We do
> need a cutoff date assigned soon to be able to
> progress either way. If you find we don't get the 5 we
> need, an alternative could be for us to provide table
> space for companies who would like to display
> brochures or other material at a "Python Market". Our
> responsibility would be to merely provide tables and
> space; we would not be responsible for the safety of
> any literature or any other items left there, nor for
> the provision of power and lighting. However, if those
> tables were located in the same place as the hostesses
> are, they would be a natural presence to keep an eye
> on the material against obvious vandalism. Such
> brochure/meeting space could be sold at say 100 Euros
> for the duration of the conference. 

Exactly.
 
> This would be a figure that firms might feel it worth
> to have a place where their wares can be displayed and
> a natural place for them to meet with prospective
> business partners. 

Exactly.
 
> Just a thought...
> 
> Tim
> 





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 11:57:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 12:57:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > >
> > > I still have some questions about it though:
> > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ???
> >
> > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming?
>
> CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from
> them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi
> authorities donating money for the conference ?

Ah, could be possible! Denis you know more?!

> > Bus picking was an idea to let everyone pick up by bus on the mornings
and
> > bring them back at the evenings.
> > ie. A bus would travel once in the morning once in the evening to/from
the
> > congress passing all the hotels.
> > I think you can remove this option now.
>
> Already done. (BTW, could you send me the login informatio
> for the EuroPython site, so that I can upload XLS binaries
> myself ?)

Sure, I proposed that to you earlier already.

Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 12:02:36 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
References: <20020507103854.42205.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> <015c01c1f5b5$d212fcf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7B44C.BA51B7AD@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > Marc
> >
> > I think you're right about the risk assessment. We do
> > need a cutoff date assigned soon to be able to
> > progress either way. If you find we don't get the 5 we
> > need, an alternative could be for us to provide table
> > space for companies who would like to display
> > brochures or other material at a "Python Market". Our
> > responsibility would be to merely provide tables and
> > space; we would not be responsible for the safety of
> > any literature or any other items left there, nor for
> > the provision of power and lighting. However, if those
> > tables were located in the same place as the hostesses
> > are, they would be a natural presence to keep an eye
> > on the material against obvious vandalism. Such
> > brochure/meeting space could be sold at say 100 Euros
> > for the duration of the conference.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > This would be a figure that firms might feel it worth
> > to have a place where their wares can be displayed and
> > a natural place for them to meet with prospective
> > business partners.
> 
> Exactly.
> 
> > Just a thought...

Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for
the "tables with no strings attached" option and put
a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them.

We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against
theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's
best for them.

We still require signup for the tables, though, since
we'll have to organize them.

How does that sound ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 12:03:32 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:03:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track
References: <3CD79C67.7CC78A65@lemburg.com> <013401c1f5b5$14d566a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7B484.7ED2E732@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > I've dicussed this with Tim and we are OK now for moving the
> > Web Services Track to day 2 PM. We'll have three 45 minute talks,
> > so need both slots.
> 
> Thanks, .... now I have to make the images again :-)))
> Also good that it takes 2 sessions!!! Since then Day2 PM isn't that empty

Right.
 
> > We still want to keep a session on day 3 for the "Business BoF"
> discussion.
> 
> No prob, there is space for it :-)

Great. BTW, who's the BoF manager for day 3?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 12:04:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:04:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > > The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please
> > > let me know if that should change.
> > >
> > > Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how
> > > many people have registered interest on the web site so far.
> >
> > Can't follow.
> > The contact page is just created, so I don't think people have responded
to
> > that already.
>
> I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been
removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore).

Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time ago.
You can find the info throught the ZMI.

However, here is a summary
  count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that
  amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a value
of 200 in the 'amount' field.

Regards,
Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 12:35:19 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:35:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been
> removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore).
> 
> Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time ago.
> You can find the info throught the ZMI.
> 
> However, here is a summary
>   count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that
>   amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a value
> of 200 in the 'amount' field.

So that's 150 people -- not much :-/

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May  7 13:19:42 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:19:42 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: <011601c1f5b1$f2fd5630$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071417570.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get > 5 confirmed
> booths soon or we drop the whole idea.
> 
> Or drop the idea of assurrance, guards, ... and just give a table and
> chair.... without anything else....

Sounds better to me :-)

I asked for booths and plan on coming with a couple posters and a
laptop. I don't need a guard paid 50 Euros an hour nor insurance. I'll
sign the letter stating that EuroPython is not liable for my hardward if
that's a condition for me to get a booth.

Than a booth can become cheaper and Strakt can have one too :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May  7 13:27:14 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:27:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: <3CD7B44C.BA51B7AD@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071425560.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for
> the "tables with no strings attached" option and put
> a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them.
> 
> We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against
> theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's
> best for them.
> 
> We still require signup for the tables, though, since
> we'll have to organize them.
> 
> How does that sound ?

Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-)

BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)

1: cf The Fifth Element.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 13:43:33 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:43:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >
> > > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been
> > removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore).
> >
> > Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time
ago.
> > You can find the info throught the ZMI.
> >
> > However, here is a summary
> >   count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that
> >   amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a
value
> > of 200 in the 'amount' field.
>
> So that's 150 people -- not much :-/

Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more
people!
Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who
can write press-releases?

Please.....

Tom.




From guido@python.org  Tue May  7 14:06:27 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:06:27 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 May 2002 14:43:33 +0200."
 <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com>
 <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <200205071306.g47D6Rr08191@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

> Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more
> people!
> Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who
> can write press-releases?

You need to send announcements to the standard Python and Zope mailing
lists.  That's where you get your audience, not through press
releases.  Recently, a core Python developer in the Netherlands told
me he didn't know about EuroPython, so you guys need to get on the job
and spread the word in these circles!

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 14:01:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:01:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071417570.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <020d01c1f5c7$54ad38e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Sounds better to me :-)
>
> I asked for booths and plan on coming with a couple posters and a
> laptop. I don't need a guard paid 50 Euros an hour nor insurance. I'll
> sign the letter stating that EuroPython is not liable for my hardward if
> that's a condition for me to get a booth.
>
> Than a booth can become cheaper and Strakt can have one too :-)

Than I think, nobody can argue concerning the price...
In fact,  companies should jump on the offer....
See it as a small sponsoring by the companies who want to contribute to the
EuroPython initiative....
Who knows how big EuroPython might become in the future...

Regards, tom.




From gotcha@swing.be  Tue May  7 14:04:51 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:04:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team
In-Reply-To: <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
 <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com>
 <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com>
 <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507145725.00a7eb18@pop.swing.be>

At 14:43 7/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:


> > Tom Deprez wrote:
> > >
> > > > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been
> > > removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore).
> > >
> > > Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time
>ago.
> > > You can find the info throught the ZMI.
> > >
> > > However, here is a summary
> > >   count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that
> > >   amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a
>value
> > > of 200 in the 'amount' field.
> >
> > So that's 150 people -- not much :-/
>
>Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more
>people!
>Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who
>can write press-releases?

Just wanted to tell that it should be enough to resend the press release 
when the abstracts will be published on the web site...
if we do not forget to state that we really need registrations

>Please.....
>
>Tom.

--

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 14:03:45 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:03:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071425560.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <021901c1f5c7$9ea16980$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for
> > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put
> > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them.

> > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against
> > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's
> > best for them.
> >
> > We still require signup for the tables, though, since
> > we'll have to organize them.
> >
> > How does that sound ?
>
> Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-)
>
> BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ?

Grin, no this base doesn't include an entry fee for one person :-). It's the
bottom price.

Regards,
Tom





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May  7 14:06:28 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:06:28 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: <021901c1f5c7$9ea16980$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071504300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for
> > > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put
> > > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them.
> 
> > > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against
> > > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's
> > > best for them.
> > >
> > > We still require signup for the tables, though, since
> > > we'll have to organize them.
> > >
> > > How does that sound ?
> >
> > Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-)
> >
> > BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ?
> 
> Grin, no this base doesn't include an entry fee for one person :-). It's the
> bottom price.

I knew it ;-). Now, where do I sign and who should I send the money
to? P3B? Fine, give me the account number and swift code please.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 14:37:00 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:37:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RFV: Next round of press releases
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEEKCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com>
 <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <200205071306.g47D6Rr08191@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <3CD7D87C.EC9C3A93@lemburg.com>

(RFV = request for volunteers)

Guido van Rossum wrote:
> 
> > Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more
> > people!
> > Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who
> > can write press-releases?
> 
> You need to send announcements to the standard Python and Zope mailing
> lists.  That's where you get your audience, not through press
> releases.  Recently, a core Python developer in the Netherlands told
> me he didn't know about EuroPython, so you guys need to get on the job
> and spread the word in these circles!

Right.

Note that when we talk about press releases, the mailing lists are 
included in the list of targets:

   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress

It would be a good idea, however, to include all the known
local Python mailing lists, such as the UK one, the German
one, the Italian one, etc.

I've added a few meta-links for mailing lists to the top of that
wiki page. 

RFV: Could someone please extract the mailto: links for
the mailing lists and forums mentioned on those meta pages
to the wiki ?!

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 14:52:44 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:52:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071425560.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <021901c1f5c7$9ea16980$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7DC2C.7BFAE6F1@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for
> > > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put
> > > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them.
> 
> > > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against
> > > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's
> > > best for them.
> > >
> > > We still require signup for the tables, though, since
> > > we'll have to organize them.
> > >
> > > How does that sound ?
> >
> > Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-)
> >
> > BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ?
> 
> Grin, no this base doesn't include an entry fee for one person :-). It's the
> bottom price.

Tom, could you update the ConferenceExhibitors wiki page
accordingly ?!

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From lac@strakt.com  Tue May  7 15:08:26 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:08:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
 of "Tue, 07 May 2002 15:06:28 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071504300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071504300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <200205071408.g47E8QjX019218@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

>> I knew it ;-). Now, where do I sign and who should I send the money
> to? P3B? Fine, give me the account number and swift code please.
> =

> -- =

> Nicolas Chauvat
> =

> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris=
 (France
Me too, please.

Laura Creighton=



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 15:38:33 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:38:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071504300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>  <200205071408.g47E8QjX019218@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <038d01c1f5d4$dd1c8430$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Wait, wait.  Sorry to spoil the fun for a moment :-)

We still need to know about the other companies who already agreed to pay
800 EUR...
Denis arranged it with these people, so before we offer the other price
settings. eg a minimum booth I would like to know if Denis agrees on this
and the people who already took a booth.... These people already engaged =
in
hiring a booth and we should first figure out how it works out for them.

Denis, can you give your opinion? Taking into account the new calculation=
s
of Marc-Andre and the costs for handling full installed booths, etc?


Thinking of it, are there companies (on this list) willing to sponsor the
congress for a certain amount? Just sponsoring, like Dexia, etc...


Regards,
Tom.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Laura Creighton" <lac@strakt.com>
To: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
Cc: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>; "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>;
<tim@2wave.net>; "EuroPython Mailing List" <europython@python.org>;
<lac@strakt.com>
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:08 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.


> >> I knew it ;-). Now, where do I sign and who should I send the money
> > to? P3B? Fine, give me the account number and swift code please.
> >
> > --
> > Nicolas Chauvat
> >
> > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pa=
ris
(France
> Me too, please.
>
> Laura Creighton
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From geddert@arche.ag  Tue May  7 16:08:09 2002
From: geddert@arche.ag (Michael Geddert)
Date: 07 May 2002 17:08:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
Message-ID: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>

Hello fellow Pythoneers,

My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based
consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff 
for some of our clients.

In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting 
short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for
companies and commercials to private Events.

At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference, 
although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee
online... ;)

Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my
opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little
documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap
DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !).

The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be
online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much
post-production work i'd have to do.

I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5
minute-documentary about the whole conference.


So, what do you think ? 

Regards,

Michael

-- 
Michael Geddert

Arche Netvision GmbH
Banter Deich 18
26382 Wilhelmshaven

Germany

+49 4421 916355




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May  7 15:53:24 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
In-Reply-To: <038d01c1f5d4$dd1c8430$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071649510.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> We still need to know about the other companies who already agreed to pay
> 800 EUR...

Who are the companies that agreed to pay 800 EUR ? Are they listed
somewhere ?

> Thinking of it, are there companies (on this list) willing to sponsor the
> congress for a certain amount? Just sponsoring, like Dexia, etc...

What would a company get as a sponsor ? As Laura stated, becoming a
sponsor in February and getting one's name associated with the conference 
was much more interesting than it is now.

Like a dozen of us I'm currently getting paid part-time to organize
EuroPython, that does sound like sponsorship too :-)

And 2000 EUR for Dexia is not the same as 2000 EUR for Logilab... sadly 
;-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 16:19:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:19:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>
Message-ID: <03e201c1f5da$916c15e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> Hello fellow Pythoneers,
>
> My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based
> consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff
> for some of our clients.

Hi Michael.

> In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting
> short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for
> companies and commercials to private Events.
>
> At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference,
> although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee
> online... ;)

Don't worry, people who like to people, will have no problem doing this :-)
Well, this should be fixed within a few days. We're waiting on an approval
of ShareIT....

> Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my
> opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little
> documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap
> DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !).
>
> The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be
> online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much
> post-production work i'd have to do.
>
> I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5
> minute-documentary about the whole conference.
>
> So, what do you think ?

Neat!

Regards,
Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May  7 16:21:38 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:21:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al.
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205071504300.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>  <200205071408.g47E8QjX019218@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <038d01c1f5d4$dd1c8430$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CD7F102.AD650F5E@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Wait, wait.  Sorry to spoil the fun for a moment :-)
> 
> We still need to know about the other companies who already agreed to pay
> 800 EUR...
> Denis arranged it with these people, so before we offer the other price
> settings. eg a minimum booth I would like to know if Denis agrees on this
> and the people who already took a booth.... These people already engaged in
> hiring a booth and we should first figure out how it works out for them.
> 
> Denis, can you give your opinion? Taking into account the new calculations
> of Marc-Andre and the costs for handling full installed booths, etc?

I don't think they'd mind having to pay less... but Denis 
should make them aware of the "no strings attached" state, 
i.e. no risk management at all and no liability whatsoever.

We will have to require the booth parties to sign an explicit
waiver defining this, though...

"""
P3B DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO
THIS BOOTH, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND
FITNESS, IN NO EVENT SHALL P3B BE LIABLE
FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES
WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN
ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT
OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OF THIS BOOTH.
""" 

> Thinking of it, are there companies (on this list) willing to sponsor the
> congress for a certain amount? Just sponsoring, like Dexia, etc...

That would be a nice move !

We could have sponsors which get mentioned on the badges, 
in the broschures etc.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From sf@fermigier.com  Tue May  7 16:21:42 2002
From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:21:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
In-Reply-To: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>; from geddert@arche.ag on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:08:09PM +0200
References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>
Message-ID: <20020507172142.C31519@math.jussieu.fr>

On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:08:09PM +0200, Michael Geddert wrote:
>=20
> The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could b=
e
> online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much
> post-production work i'd have to do.
>=20
> I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5
> minute-documentary about the whole conference.
>=20
>=20
> So, what do you think ?=20

Great idea !

	S.

--=20
St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile).
http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/
"Amazon: we patent the dot in .com"



From lozinski@jobmart.com  Tue May  7 16:20:02 2002
From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Exhbit Space
In-Reply-To: <20020507110602.970.34901.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1020507082002.206AAC/W.lozinski@maya>

Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power and internet
access, even if that costs more.

I think security is also important, at the very least we should be able to
attach the computers to the table with a bicycle chain lock.  Being under the
hostess watchful eye would be even better, even if it did cost some extra money.

A final point, it would be good to have a deadline for sign ups for booths, so
that we could make a go no-go decision early on, so that you would know for sure
how many companies would be there.

Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From denis@aragne.com  Tue May  7 18:20:33 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:20:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
In-Reply-To: <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net>

Le Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:57:51PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > > >
> > > > I still have some questions about it though:
> > > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ???
> > >
> > > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming?
> >
> > CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from
> > them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi
> > authorities donating money for the conference ?
> 
> Ah, could be possible! Denis you know more?!

CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with. 
http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=0000236_geo&menu=0000195_menu_entier
(google is your friend)

That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed).

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 20:29:39 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:29:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules Update
Message-ID: <00cb01c1f5fd$d4d75f60$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

The Time Schedules reflect the latest state.

Regards, 
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 20:43:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:43:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <017d01c1f5ff$bd5192f0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with.
>
http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=0000236_geo&menu=0000195_menu_entier
> (google is your friend)
>
> That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed).

Nicolas, what's up with these. Have you talked to them. Can they help us?

Regards, Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May  7 20:57:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:57:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exhbit Space
References: <1020507082002.206AAC/W.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <018601c1f601$76547050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>


> Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power and
internet
> access, even if that costs more.
>
> I think security is also important, at the very least we should be able to
> attach the computers to the table with a bicycle chain lock.  Being under
the
> hostess watchful eye would be even better, even if it did cost some extra
money.

Correct, but we need to find companies who want to share the extra cost.
Right now, I don't here any company telling that they want to have a booth
at those expenses.
If you know companies who want, let us know. According to Marc-André his
mail, do we have a break-even at 5 booths. Meaning that if we have 6 booths
we have some cash to use for the conference....

> A final point, it would be good to have a deadline for sign ups for
booths, so
> that we could make a go no-go decision early on, so that you would know
for sure
> how many companies would be there.

Yup.... but it is hard to find which way is the best to go. There aren't
many companies expressing themself they want a booth....

Perhaps its time to ask this:
---------------------------
(if people on this list know of a python/zope company, please ask them if
they are interested in a booth. This congress will only work if we all share
the word. On lists, to companies, to friends, etc. Having companies who can
sponsor makes some things easier for the organisers here)

1) How many companies are interested in a booth

2) How many companies would like a booth of minimum 800 EUR, which includes
security and assurance

3) How many companies are interested in a booth of the bare minimum, just to
put flyers and brochures on it? For around 100-200 EUR.

4) Would companies who pay a minimum of 800 EUR mind that there are others
who just pay less, but of course don't have benefits concerning guards etc.

5) How many people forward this message to friends, companies they know
personell of etc?

If we get enough response on this mail, then we can make a decision soon.
(By the end of this week or beginning of next week?) Otherwise...


If just a few -of the how much people registered on this list?- respons to
this message, then I think we know how much interest people have in a
EuroPython event....
I thought lot's of people wanted to have a Python/Zope congress close by, ie
in Europe ....

Regards,
Tom





From andy@reportlab.com  Tue May  7 20:20:48 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:20:48 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Exhbit Space
In-Reply-To: <1020507082002.206AAC/W.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAGEFBCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power 
> and internet access, even if that costs more.

It is not just the cost, it is the work. This
stuff must be locally organised which means it
is bound to fall on poor Denis.

At the ACCU conference there was no internet access.
(Actually there was one direct phone line, but we were
under orders not to tel anyone or there would have been
50 people checking email).  It worked fine; people talked 
to each other instead of hacking.  And we did not even
have Belgian beer to inspire our conversations :-)
 
> I think security is also important, at the very least we should 
> be able to attach the computers to the table with a bicycle chain 
> lock.   Being under the
> hostess watchful eye would be even better, even if it did cost 
> some extra money.

There's 'practical' security meaning your hardware is 99% 
unlikely to go for a walk, and 'contractual' meaning the
organisers pay if it does, so they need insurance, so
the insurers impose lots of conditions etc. etc.  Practical
we can arrange ourselves - contractual adds to costs
and the workload.  I think anyone bringing hardware
should accept it is at their own risk.  Then, if there
are four or five stands, they can make a rota among 
themselves so things are covered.

> A final point, it would be good to have a deadline for sign ups 
> for booths, so
> that we could make a go no-go decision early on, so that you 
> would know for sure
> how many companies would be there.

Good point.  Sell them online for Eu 100 before 1st June, 
then put the price up to 150 :-)

Best regards,

Andy



From lozinski@jobmart.com  Tue May  7 21:06:15 2002
From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths and Security
Message-ID: <1020507130615.206AAC/e.lozinski@maya>

I think that we will be fine without security.  The booth people can just agree
to keep an eye on each other's booths.  That is pretty simple.

How much would internet access cost?

And I have asked Archaeopteryx Software ( www.wingide.com) if they would be
interested in having a booth.

Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From oli@aragne.com  Tue May  7 21:37:48 2002
From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:37:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEELCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
References: <036d01c1f54c$35ef0120$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEELCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <20020507203748.GA2237@debian>

On lun, 06 mai 2002, Andy Robinson wrote:
> > When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we
> > good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-)
> 
> I set up the MySQL database.  Anyone who might want to put stuff
> in it, email me directly and I'll send back a password and
> connect details.  We should rehearse connecting ASAP.
> 
> Since the data will be pretty important once we start to populate
> it, maybe someone in a different country with mysql experience 
> could volunteer to run a one-line backup command each night?

I have MySQL and PostgreSQL knowledge. I can run the backup if you want. I
even have a Python script to backup the database and email the tarball to
an adress. It's not a very beautiful script but it has worked very well
for nearly one year at one of our customer's website.

-- 
Olivier Laurent.
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From lac@strakt.com  Tue May  7 22:10:17 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:10:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Geddert <geddert@arche.ag>
 of "07 May 2002 17:08:09 +0200." <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>
References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>
Message-ID: <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Hello fellow Pythoneers,
> 
> My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based
> consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff 
> for some of our clients.
> 
> In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting 
> short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for
> companies and commercials to private Events.
> 
> At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference, 
> although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee
> online... ;)
> 
> Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my
> opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little
> documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap
> DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !).
> 
> The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be
> online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much
> post-production work i'd have to do.
> 
> I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5
> minute-documentary about the whole conference.
> 
> 
> So, what do you think ? 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael
> 
> -- 
> Michael Geddert
> 
> Arche Netvision GmbH
> Banter Deich 18
> 26382 Wilhelmshaven
> 
> Germany
> 
> +49 4421 916355

I think that this is a wonderful idea.  What (if any) special requirements
do you have of the site in order to make this happen?

Laura Creighton



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From: webmaster@eclickz.net (eClickz)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:06 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] New search engine! eClickz.net
Message-ID: <200205072141.g47Lf6815500@camp.321host-it.com>

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 00:12:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 01:12:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Message au Zopemaster
Message-ID: <031501c1f61c$b222b220$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Would it be possible to add a EuroPython banner to the Zopera site?
We're trying our best to make this event as great as possible. Both Python
and Zope enthousiastics will find something in which they interest.

Your site reaches a lot of people and it would be great if you gave
EuroPython2002 (www.europython.org) a chance to become a solid event
somewhere in Europe, every year.

You can download the banner at http://europython.zope.nl/images/banner_03.

 It would also be great if you could announce the following on the site as
well:

"The EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and Zope
Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002.
The European Python and Zope Conference is an initiative by the EuroPython
Conference Team to bring together Python and Zope users and developers. This
is also an opportunity for those who are interested in these technologies to
learn more about them. This will be the first major European event dedicated
solely to the Python programming language and its applications. Since Python
is seeing a lot of use and much important Python software is developed in
Europe, European Python community members felt it was high time to organize
such a gathering."

Many thanks in advance,

Tom Deprez.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 00:24:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 01:24:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths and Security
References: <1020507130615.206AAC/e.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <035b01c1f61f$66e41fd0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> I think that we will be fine without security.  The booth people can just
agree
> to keep an eye on each other's booths.  That is pretty simple.
>
> How much would internet access cost?

Denis has to recheck this again. But, normally if we've 6 connections, they
cost each 100 EUR for the whole conference.

> And I have asked Archaeopteryx Software ( www.wingide.com) if they would
be
> interested in having a booth.

Thanks!

> Regards
> Chris
>
> 1-510-795-6086
> lozinski@openstepnews.com
> lozinski@jobmart.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 00:47:14 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 01:47:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] If we make a PDF poster...
Message-ID: <037f01c1f622$6c9946f0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

If we could manage to make a .pdf  poster of the EuroPython2002 conference.
Would people be interested to print it out and put it on some announcement
places? (eg universities,...)

Regards,
Tom.





From lozinski@jobmart.com  Wed May  8 05:25:21 2002
From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Exhibit Booths
Message-ID: <1020507212521.5505AAC/V.lozinski@maya>

If it is $100 Euro per booth, then I expect that Archaeopteryx Software (
www.wingide.com) will have a booth, to show their literature, and stack CD's for
distribution.  They themselves will not come because their family is about to
have a child.  I will probably set up their booth for them.

So who is actually in charge of the tables?



Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From lozinski@jobmart.com  Wed May  8 05:30:36 2002
From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:30:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Python On Mac OS X
Message-ID: <1020507213036.5505AAC/W.lozinski@maya>

The big question being asked about Mac is whether people should develop on Mac
OS 9 and use Carbon on Mac OS X, or if they should develop using native Mac OS X
tools, but not ship on Mac OS 9.

The answer is they should develop using Python Card and run on both Mac OS X and
Mac OS 9.

http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net

So I think that there is going to be a roaring flood of Python developers into
the Mac World.  Am I right?  Does anyone else see things the way I do?

I am posting this on the european Python list because I believe you have a much
higher percentage of python developers, and a higher percentage of Mac
computers.

Comments please?

Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed May  8 07:25:27 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:25:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Python On Mac OS X
In-Reply-To: <1020507213036.5505AAC/W.lozinski@maya>
References: <1020507213036.5505AAC/W.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <1020839127.3cd8c4d799890@webmail.in-berlin.de>

lozinski@jobmart.com wrote:

> The big question being asked about Mac is whether people should develop
> on Mac OS 9 and use Carbon on Mac OS X, or if they should develop using 
> native Mac OS X tools, but not ship on Mac OS 9.
> 
> The answer is they should develop using Python Card and run on both Mac
> OS X and Mac OS 9.
> 
> http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net
> 
> So I think that there is going to be a roaring flood of Python developers 
> into the Mac World.  Am I right?  Does anyone else see things the way 
> I do?
> 
> I am posting this on the european Python list because I believe you have
> a much higher percentage of python developers, and a higher percentage 
> of Mac computers.
> 
> Comments please?

I think pythonmac-sig@python.org is more appropriate for such con-
siderations, which is where you'll also find quite a few European 
members. This list is for preparing a conference rather than dis-
cussing language and/or application features/environments.

Apart from that I think OS 9 is officially dead now after Jobs' 
keynote at the current MacWorld...:

  http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0205/06.wwdckeynote.php

Regards,

Dinu



From geddert@arche.ag  Wed May  8 08:40:15 2002
From: geddert@arche.ag (Michael Geddert)
Date: 08 May 2002 09:40:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
In-Reply-To: <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>
 <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1020843615.1552.23.camel@a2-geddert>

Am Die, 2002-05-07 um 23.10 schrieb Laura Creighton:

> I think that this is a wonderful idea.  What (if any) special requirements
> do you have of the site in order to make this happen?
> 
> Laura Creighton
Ok, i can cope with bad lighting in post-production, so the only
remainig issue would be the sound-system at the CEME. 

1.) I presume there is a sound-system installed (Microphones,Mixer, Amps
...). Dennis, could you mail me the phone-number of your technical    
contact at CEME, so I can figure out how much additional equipment
I'll have to carry ?

2.) Who did that nice Europython-Animation on the WebSite ?
(Looks like it's done in Blender).I'd like to have that Logo in all
of the Clips, maybe we can even incorporate some Anims.


Michael
 
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> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May  8 09:34:26 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:34:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPMENBDBAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Hi folks,

sorry for beeing so quite. Having trouble to follow up your mails currently,
you are all just to fast at the moment.

BUT:

I remembered that we have discussed about sponsors in February. My company
(saying: me ;-) joined the sponsor list, and in the wiki I found following
text:

>Sponsors which we have contacted
>
>ASWAD (EU contact, Nicolas Pettiaux) - Standard ?
>Heracles
>Nuxeo (Stéfane Fermigier) - Standard ?
>
>Potential Sponsors
>A. Smart Team Consulting Gmbh (Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de)
>AB Strakt
>Logilab
>Zope Corp

So, if someone can send me the bank account number I am going to send money.
If I say I sponsor with money, I'll do it.

The question is: what kind of "sponsoring" is coming from the other
mentioned companies? Well, we all spend time (and reduced revenues and/or
weekends) into this conference, of course. No reply needed, then.

For non-europythonlist-member-companies we have to offer some "value" for
the sponsorship: printed logo on the bags, added flyer to the welcome-bag
content, logo on the website, mentioning in further press releases, some
"sponsor table" where they can put flyers. And, to prevent discussion, no,
not one table for every sponsor, but one table for all sponsors for leaflets
and such. Maybe we can use a local PC, get a presentation from every sponsor
or a off-line copy of the webpage so that the visitors can get some
informations about the sponsors.

Any further ideas?

Laura, you seem to have more knowledge about sales/contacts and such. What
would your company like to see/have?

Who is going to be sponsor contact coordinator? That's one person who know
which company/contact has been contacted, what he/she replied,
sponsor-whish-list and such. Or, to be more specific: do we have such a
person in our team currently?

Regards,
Andrew




From lac@strakt.com  Wed May  8 10:02:11 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:02:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors
In-Reply-To: Message from "Andrew Smart" <Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
 of "Wed, 08 May 2002 10:34:26 +0200." <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPMENBDBAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPMENBDBAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <200205080902.g4892BjX023394@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

<snip>
> 
> Laura, you seem to have more knowledge about sales/contacts and such. What
> would your company like to see/have?
> 

I have immediately forwarded this question to our Marketing Department.
Expect to hear from them (probably through me) very soon.

<snip>

Laura



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 10:48:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:48:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>  <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <1020843615.1552.23.camel@a2-geddert>
Message-ID: <010801c1f675$8ffd1920$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> 2.) Who did that nice Europython-Animation on the WebSite ?
> (Looks like it's done in Blender).I'd like to have that Logo in all
> of the Clips, maybe we can even incorporate some Anims.

That's Vincent, the designer of the website. You can find his contact
information at the bottom of every page on EuroPython

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 10:50:29 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:50:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exhibit Booths
References: <1020507212521.5505AAC/V.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <010901c1f675$c9ddfe20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> If it is $100 Euro per booth, then I expect that Archaeopteryx Software (
> www.wingide.com) will have a booth, to show their literature, and stack
CD's for
> distribution.  They themselves will not come because their family is about
to
> have a child.  I will probably set up their booth for them.
>
> So who is actually in charge of the tables?

We're working this out right now. We'll soon publish more information on how
to contact the organisers of EuroPython.
Please, bare a few days.
I  don't think that for such a simple booth, there are problems to wait a
few days to pay for it.

Regards, Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 10:54:42 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 11:54:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPMENBDBAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <011101c1f676$6026bd90$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hi folks,
>
> sorry for beeing so quite. Having trouble to follow up your mails
currently,
> you are all just to fast at the moment.

Thanks for joining us again :-)

> Who is going to be sponsor contact coordinator? That's one person who know
> which company/contact has been contacted, what he/she replied,
> sponsor-whish-list and such. Or, to be more specific: do we have such a
> person in our team currently?

We're working this out right now. ie soon there will be an announcement on
how to contact people for different things.

Would you like to be candidate for this specific task?

Regards,
Tom.





From lac@strakt.com  Wed May  8 11:32:35 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:32:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsoring
Message-ID: <200205081032.g48AWZAF023708@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

Ok, here is the deal.  When you are a new, untried organization,
especially when you are trying to find sponsors _late_ and not early,
it is hard to give out the publicity to the world that rakes in the
largest amount of cash.  If our Press Releases were going everywhere,
and we were sponsoring a huge amount of people, then companies pay
to get some of the limelight when another extremely successful 
conference goes down.  They get the rights to say 'they helped',
wherever that is useful and signal that with banners and the like.

New conferences have problems attracting this kind of sponsorship, because
nobody wants to be associated with a conference that fails.  Do not believe
the lies that 'the only thing that matters is any sort of publicity at
all' -- this is most definitely not true where I  operate.  Thus you
want to sell something that will not put you to risk, and which does not
make for extra work for the conference organisers who right now are 
working their tails off (hi Tom!).  We have a fix for this as well.

You pay a flat fee for the right to put handouts into the bags that you
are making up, one per attendee.  You can also charge for providing the
bag, which is typically the top priced item you can hand out if you
are busy and complicated enough to warrant a complex pricing structure.

I strongly recommend against it.  Hackers are still 0.50 a head.  Charge
something small for the right to put your own stuff in.  Make sure that
the stuff will not shatter and stink the place up with perfume and the
like.  Offer the backpack, but do not be surprised if nobody wants to
do that.  Backpacks, even for only 150, are expensive.

The big flaw in all this is that we do not have accurate information
on how many people are coming, so cannot recommend how much stuff to
order because a) we do not have past experience to go by.  And, b)
because we do not have a competant way to pay things firmly in place
and used by all.  So for all we know, once you let people pay, 500
will say they are coming and won't we all have to hop!

Now, as to whether AB Strakt wants to sponsor -- that is a Marketing decision
which I sent to AB Strakt's Head of Marketing.  She will begin to make her
decision when she sees a nice web page with on-line SWIFT paying information,
and a form for reserving space, how much, and where to ship the loot.
Do not expect her to spend any time reading a Wiki looking for such things.
She is too busy.

I am very busy today with my other companies.  This will have to do for 
a while. 

Laura Creighton




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 11:52:58 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:52:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsoring
References: <200205081032.g48AWZAF023708@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <023d01c1f67e$87353d50$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Now, as to whether AB Strakt wants to sponsor -- that is a Marketing
decision
> which I sent to AB Strakt's Head of Marketing.  She will begin to make her
> decision when she sees a nice web page with on-line SWIFT paying
information,
> and a form for reserving space, how much, and where to ship the loot.
> Do not expect her to spend any time reading a Wiki looking for such
things.
> She is too busy.

Just to tell everybody that we are working on the topic of contact persons
and price settigs and registration. I just need a concensus from several
people concerning these issues and then it will all appear on the website.

PS. Please, if possible do not remind us on things like this again. We know
we're late on this subject, we're trying to do our best to make a certain
ground. And we do hope dat with this 'take-off' congress, we'll find the
interest for next year and people who want that Europe must have such an
event each year.

Again to you all: If you can, if you find the time, then please if possible,
mail to all the mailinglists of open-source, python, zope in your country
concerning EuroPython2002. If possible ask wether sites want to put the
EuroPython banner (see my request to Zopera.com) on there website.
This way we can reach a bigger audience and we've a bigger change to a big
event for this in the future.

It makes me more frustrated that I can't get it quicker done :-)

Regards, Tom.




From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May  8 13:03:37 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:03:37 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors
Message-ID: <F95LC3h3XurxD3iW2t70000c561@hotmail.com>

>From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>

>We're working this out right now. ie soon there will be an announcement on
>how to contact people for different things.
>
>Would you like to be candidate for this specific task?

I can help out, and I'm willing to do so. But I have limited time resources 
(I overestimate my idle-times all-the-time) and I try not to make promises 
which I can not hold. Especially in an area which is so sensitive.

Regards,
Andrew



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From tim@2wave.net  Wed May  8 13:54:31 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:54:31 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <20020508083701.3056.32149.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020508125431.43675.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>

I agree with Andy. We shouldn't be expected to provide
internet access. The ACCU event went better because of
the absence of e-distraction. It could be that the
exhibitor/table-space-renters and session leaders have
forgotten stuff (which was the only case I know of
where an exhibitor needed e-access). But I do not
think it is our responsibility to ask Denis to do
additional work to compensate for our inadequacies in
this regard; he has quite enough to do. 

Tim


> Since this is a computer conference, we really do
need both power 
> and internet access, even if that costs more.

It is not just the cost, it is the work. This
stuff must be locally organised which means it
is bound to fall on poor Denis.

At the ACCU conference there was no internet access.
(Actually there was one direct phone line, but we were
under orders not to tel anyone or there would have
been
50 people checking email).  It worked fine; people
talked 
to each other instead of hacking.  And we did not even
have Belgian beer to inspire our conversations :-)
 

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From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed May  8 14:06:46 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:06:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <20020508125431.43675.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020508125431.43675.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1020863206.3cd922e675d5e@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tim Couper <drtimcouper@yahoo.co.uk>:

> I agree with Andy. We shouldn't be expected to provide
> internet access. The ACCU event went better because of
> the absence of e-distraction. It could be that the
> exhibitor/table-space-renters and session leaders have
> forgotten stuff (which was the only case I know of
> where an exhibitor needed e-access). But I do not
> think it is our responsibility to ask Denis to do
> additional work to compensate for our inadequacies in
> this regard; he has quite enough to do. 

I support that. I'd actually like to see a conference again in which
people don't sit in the same pool only to send each other emails or,
worse, have a chat! As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to take nothing 
but a camera and, maybe, a hard drive with me. 

Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give 
them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes
connected via a single cheap phone line?

Dinu



From lac@strakt.com  Wed May  8 14:09:11 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:09:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] apologies
Message-ID: <200205081309.g48D9Btt024215@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

I apologise to Tom and the rest of the team for my short words earlier.
New rule for me -- do not post to Europython while being put on hold
for a coversation with an idiot.  Thank you Tom for keeping me in line.

Laura



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 14:36:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:36:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] apologies
References: <200205081309.g48D9Btt024215@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <03b401c1f695$5b2b9f30$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> I apologise to Tom and the rest of the team for my short words earlier.
> New rule for me -- do not post to Europython while being put on hold
> for a coversation with an idiot.  Thank you Tom for keeping me in line.

Laura, no need to apologise! I didn't found your words offensive.
It was only the fact that I saw several mails concerning hiring booths, etc.
and I just wanted to say that we're working on it, but that at the moment we
can't give an exact answer yet. Sorry for the delays.

Regards, Tom.




From tim@2wave.net  Wed May  8 14:40:21 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:40:21 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <1020863206.3cd922e675d5e@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20020508134021.59964.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com>

> I support that. I'd actually like to see a
> conference again in which
> people don't sit in the same pool only to send each
> other emails or,
> worse, have a chat! ...

This comment proves you're not nearly nerdy enough to
be a REAL programmer :-). Shame!! :-)

Tim 

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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May  8 16:07:16 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:07:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <1020863206.3cd922e675d5e@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205081705490.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give 
> them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes
> connected via a single cheap phone line?

YES ! Let's do that please. At the same time, we will just make an ISO
image of the whole directory where presentations are stored, for people to
download and burn. That's a low-budget conf, but it does not mean we have
to neglect good ideas :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From andy@reportlab.com  Wed May  8 16:41:35 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:41:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205081705490.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give 
> > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes
> > connected via a single cheap phone line?
> 
> YES ! Let's do that please. At the same time, we will just 
> make an ISO
> image of the whole directory where presentations are 
> stored, for people to
> download and burn. That's a low-budget conf, but it does 
> not mean we have
> to neglect good ideas :-)
> 
Go further and mandate PythonPoint for all slide generation
(with Nicholas & colleagues' extensions), then we can
do a compilation of all the talks afterwards - or put
them in the program :-)

I do think it's a great idea to allocate ftp space
and a directory per speaker on a server, before
the conference.  Then you just need one PC in
each room where presentations are done


- Andy





From andy@reportlab.com  Wed May  8 17:17:41 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:17:41 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHOEBDDGAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> Go further and mandate PythonPoint for all slide generation
> (with Nicholas & colleagues' extensions), then we can

Damn, sorry, misspelled you again! 

Nicolas Nicolas Nicolas Nicolas Nicolas.

- Andy




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  8 16:49:04 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:49:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...?
References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>
Message-ID: <3CD948F0.3D436CDD@lemburg.com>

Michael Geddert wrote:
> 
> Hello fellow Pythoneers,
> 
> My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based
> consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff
> for some of our clients.
> 
> In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting
> short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for
> companies and commercials to private Events.
> 
> At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference,
> although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee
> online... ;)

We're working on it hard... something went wrong in the ShareIT
signup procedure so we have to do it again :-(
 
> Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my
> opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little
> documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap
> DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !).
> 
> The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be
> online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much
> post-production work i'd have to do.
> 
> I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5
> minute-documentary about the whole conference.
> 
> So, what do you think ?

That's a great proposal !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  8 16:53:57 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:53:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3CD94A15.52865AA3@lemburg.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
>=20
> Le Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:57:51PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > > > >
> > > > > I still have some questions about it though:
> > > > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ???
> > > >
> > > > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming?
> > >
> > > CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from
> > > them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi
> > > authorities donating money for the conference ?
> >
> > Ah, could be possible! Denis you know more?!
>=20
> CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with.
> http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=3D0000236_geo&menu=3D0000195_me=
nu_entier
> (google is your friend)
>=20
> That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed).

So we're not getting money from them, right ?  In that case,
I'll remove them from the budget.

(Why is that the French speaking people are so in love=20
 with acronyms ?)

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
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Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May  8 17:48:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 18:48:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet
References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net> <3CD94A15.52865AA3@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <04a801c1f6b0$228eb7a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with.
> >
http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=0000236_geo&menu=0000195_menu_entier
> > (google is your friend)
> >
> > That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed).
>
> So we're not getting money from them, right ?  In that case,
> I'll remove them from the budget.

Yes, I talked with Nicolas on this and in order to recieve help from them,
we had to be:

1) way earlier! Even when we started it would probably already been to late

2) Have a full fledged dossier.

So, they won't help now.

Regards, Tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  8 17:41:20 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:41:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> 
> > > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give
> > > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes
> > > connected via a single cheap phone line?
> >
> > YES ! Let's do that please. At the same time, we will just
> > make an ISO
> > image of the whole directory where presentations are
> > stored, for people to
> > download and burn. That's a low-budget conf, but it does
> > not mean we have
> > to neglect good ideas :-)
> >
> Go further and mandate PythonPoint for all slide generation
> (with Nicholas & colleagues' extensions), then we can
> do a compilation of all the talks afterwards - or put
> them in the program :-)
> 
> I do think it's a great idea to allocate ftp space
> and a directory per speaker on a server, before
> the conference.  Then you just need one PC in
> each room where presentations are done

Sorry, guys. No time for hackers delight. 

Slides must use PDF, Word or plain HTML. I have already
found a volunteer who is willing to paste all this
together into a nice format which can then go online
after the conference.

BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather
than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer
to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From paul@zope.com  Wed May  8 18:36:02 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:36:02 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather
> than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer
> to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks.

I'm willing to do it.

--Paul





From Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de  Wed May  8 18:48:54 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 19:48:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines
In-Reply-To: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <E175VXL-00019T-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 8 May 2002 16:41:35 +0100, Andy Robinson wrote:

>> > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give 
>> > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes
>> > connected via a single cheap phone line?

I would've raised the issue sooner or later. While I could bring a 
company laptop, I'm not keen on that.

+1

PythonPoint? I planned on trying pylize.


Ciao, J=FCrgen





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  8 18:49:39 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather
> > than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer
> > to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks.
> 
> I'm willing to do it.

Great !

I hope that you'll find all the needed information
in the wiki. If not, just ask.

Known BoFs: 

* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run
  by Tim Couper and myself)

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Wed May  8 19:33:05 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:33:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC logo in SVG?
Message-ID: <1020882785.3cd96f6146896@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi, this is mainly for Vincent, but I'm too lazy to dig out his address... 
Vincent, could you make a vectorised SVG version of your logo, maybe?
Could also be of interest for making posters, etc.

Thanks,

Dinu



From paul@zope.com  Wed May  8 19:50:20 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:50:20 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com>

Done.  At:

   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks

...I created links to:

   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/BirdsOfAFeather
   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/LightningTalks

I'll send out some spam to bug people into signing up.  Marc-Andre, have 
you picked a date/time for your BoF?

--Paul

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
>>M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>
>>>BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather
>>>than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer
>>>to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks.
>>
>>I'm willing to do it.
> 
> 
> Great !
> 
> I hope that you'll find all the needed information
> in the wiki. If not, just ask.
> 
> Known BoFs: 
> 
> * "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run
>   by Tim Couper and myself)
> 
> Thanks,






From Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de  Wed May  8 19:59:10 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:59:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
In-Reply-To: <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <E175WdM-0003JQ-00@smtp.web.de>

On Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

>* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run
>  by Tim Couper and myself)

Anyone interested in a XML BOF?

Ciao, J=FCrgen





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May  8 21:40:52 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:40:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3CD98D54.75AF7278@lemburg.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> Done.  At:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> 
> ...I created links to:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/BirdsOfAFeather
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/LightningTalks

Thank you.
 
> I'll send out some spam to bug people into signing up.  Marc-Andre, have
> you picked a date/time for your BoF?

No, that's for you to decide ;-) 
 
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 00:22:02 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 01:22:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC logo in SVG?
References: <1020882785.3cd96f6146896@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <01ad01c1f6e7$8285a740$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>


> Hi, this is mainly for Vincent, but I'm too lazy to dig out his address...

I've already contacted Vincent concerning the posters.  I've asked to make
an A3 and A4 format.
If we've problems with the pdf creation, could you help?

> Vincent, could you make a vectorised SVG version of your logo, maybe?

I'll contact Vincent as well. If possible, we'll place the vectorised
version as downloadable image on the site, so everybody can use it.

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 00:29:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 01:29:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope Track Description
Message-ID: <01eb01c1f6e8$f0f4b8a0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Here is the Zope Track description made by Paul E.

Comments please:

"""
The Zope Track at EuroPython 2002 will be a major event for European 
Zope users.  The track features over ten presentations and a Zope 3 
sprint, as well as a Zope tutorial and lightning talks in the main 
Python conference.

Want to learn about exciting Zope work, or finally meet all the people 
from IRC?  Want to hear exciting news about the future of Zope, plus 
help steer the future of EuroZope?  If so, then the Zope Track at 
EuroPython 2002 is a must-attend event.
"""

Regards,
Tom





From lac@strakt.com  Thu May  9 05:04:40 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:04:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com>
 of "Wed, 08 May 2002 14:50:20 EDT." <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com>
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIEBCDGAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com>  <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com>
Message-ID: <200205090404.g4944ejX027195@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> 
> Done.  At:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks
> 
> ...I created links to:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/BirdsOfAFeather
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/LightningTalks
> 
> I'll send out some spam to bug people into signing up.  Marc-Andre, have 
> you picked a date/time for your BoF?
> 
> --Paul

Make sure you save space for people who sign up at the conference.
Some of the coolest and most interesting work on the planet is done by
people with the organisational skills of a hurricane.  One reason we
want these things is to find out what the hell they are up to. <wink>

Laura



From andy@reportlab.com  Thu May  9 07:16:31 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:16:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC logo in SVG?
In-Reply-To: <01ad01c1f6e7$8285a740$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEGDCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> > Vincent, could you make a vectorised SVG version of your logo, maybe?
> 
> I'll contact Vincent as well. If possible, we'll place the vectorised
> version as downloadable image on the site, so everybody can use it.
> 
For PDF documents (badges or brochures) we will also need vector 
versions of any artwork - EPS or even PDF if that is easier!
Can you ask for this at the same time and place it alongside?

Thanks,

Andy Robinson



From js@aixtraware.de  Thu May  9 08:57:21 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:57:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
In-Reply-To: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

I took the freedom to start on a talk-planing system for EuroPython. You=20
can view the first draft at http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/
you login in as visitor, guest.

The handling should be obvious ;-)

The attributes are easely extendable, and I can give access to the data=20
over xml-rpc, so that for example we can generate timetables from the data.

I have to run this on my server, cause this is done with ZPatterns, and my=20
Zpde (the Zope-pragmatic-development-enviroment) product, which are not=20
installed on www.europython.org

What do you think ?



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From lac@strakt.com  Thu May  9 09:39:55 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:39:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
In-Reply-To: Message from Joachim Schmitz <js@aixtraware.de>
 of "Thu, 09 May 2002 09:57:21 +0200." <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com>  <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <200205090839.g498dtjX029135@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Hi,
> =

> I took the freedom to start on a talk-planing system for EuroPython. You=
 =

> can view the first draft at http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/
> you login in as visitor, guest.
> =

> The handling should be obvious ;-)
> =

> The attributes are easely extendable, and I can give access to the data =

> over xml-rpc, so that for example we can generate timetables from the da=
ta.
> =

> I have to run this on my server, cause this is done with ZPatterns, and =
my =

> Zpde (the Zope-pragmatic-development-enviroment) product, which are not =

> installed on www.europython.org
> =

> What do you think ?

Jacob Hall=E9n wants an accent over the e in his last name.  I edited the
form, using the edit word, but the name is still bad.  We also want =

AB Strakt to be listed like that, and not the equally common way of =

Strakt AB, because otherwise nobody will get the joke.  I changed that
form as well.

I am working on the assumption that it is Track runners who should
be working on this, and that the rest of us should just proof what
they make.  Is this assumption any good?

Laura Creighton



From gotcha@swing.be  Thu May  9 09:58:21 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:58:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython website
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509105626.01d48ed0@pop.swing.be>

Hi Tom,

Just wanted to tell you and Vincent how I am impresed by the work that has 
been done to improve the website.

Both on content and design.


Great Thanks.
--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
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1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

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Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 09:49:04 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 10:49:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC logo in SVG?
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAEEGDCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <005401c1f738$14dde440$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> For PDF documents (badges or brochures) we will also need vector  versions
of any artwork - EPS or even PDF if that is easier!
> Can you ask for this at the same time and place it alongside?

Consider it done :-)

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 10:01:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:01:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>


>Hi,

>I took the freedom to start on a talk-planing system for EuroPython. You
can view the first draft at http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/
>you login in as visitor, guest.

>The attributes are easely extendable, and I can give access to the data
over xml-rpc, so that for example we can generate timetables from the data.

Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-)
Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-)

I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so
that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've a
filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're
seeing/working

>I have to run this on my server, cause this is done with ZPatterns, and my
Zpde (the Zope-pragmatic-development-enviroment) product, which are not
installed on www.europython.org

Zut, have the people from Amaze didn't contacted you yet?
I'll resend them a note.

>What do you think ?

Great! And top, since it is already there. So, we don't have to discuss who
will implement it :-))

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom" <tom@steema.com  Thu May  9 10:04:41 2002
From: Tom" <tom@steema.com (Tom)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:04:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EuroPython website
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509105626.01d48ed0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <006e01c1f73a$3cff6960$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Hi Tom,
>
> Just wanted to tell you and Vincent how I am impresed by the work that has
been done to improve the website.
>
> Both on content and design.

Thanks! You're welcome.

All ideas on improving are appreciated.

Regards,
Tom.





From gotcha@swing.be  Thu May  9 10:19:47 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:19:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EuroPython website
In-Reply-To: <006e01c1f73a$3cff6960$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509105626.01d48ed0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509111829.00a7f760@pop.swing.be>

At 11:04 9/05/2002, Tom wrote:

>Thanks! You're welcome.
>
>All ideas on improving are appreciated.

I was just wondering why the pages are called through a frameset which 
avoids seeing the title of the pages.

If the frameset is not needed anymore I can do the work to take it of.


>Regards,
>Tom.

--

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TVA 467 093 008
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 10:34:39 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 11:34:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EuroPython website
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509105626.01d48ed0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020509111829.00a7f760@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <00ac01c1f73c$bfda0780$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

>
> >Thanks! You're welcome.
> >
> >All ideas on improving are appreciated.
>
> I was just wondering why the pages are called through a frameset which
> avoids seeing the title of the pages.
>
> If the frameset is not needed anymore I can do the work to take it of.

Mmm, sorry don't follow you here.
What you could do as well is start a version and change the things, look at
it and if you feel it's better then before, then just make that version the
active one :-)

Perhaps we can move this discussion of this list? I'm not sure everybody is
interested in this?

Regards,
Tom.





From js@aixtraware.de  Thu May  9 10:59:20 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:59:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
In-Reply-To: <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]>
 <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Donnerstag, Mai 09, 2002 11:01:47 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:
<snip>

>
> Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-)
> Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-)
>
> I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so
> that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've
> a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're
> seeing/working

like it is now ?




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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 11:31:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 12:31:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-)
> Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-)
>
> I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so
> that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've
> a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're
> seeing/working

>like it is now ?

Yes that's a way of displaying the tracks as well, specified per topic.

You could even go further and let the user specify multiple topics. eg I'm
interested in 'Zope' & 'Python' talks

(Remind that PythonHackers changed to Python & Jython)

Another way of displaying the tracks would also be possible per Day and
Track, instead per topic.

Assume someone wants to look what happens on day1: He/She selects day1 and
gets all talks sorted per track.
Further he than still has the possibility to filter on track as well: He/She
gets all the talks for a specific track of that day.



Regards,
Tom



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From js@aixtraware.de  Thu May  9 11:58:05 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:58:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
In-Reply-To: <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]>
 <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]>
 <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <43800000.1020941885@[10.2.1.1]>

just a reminder, at the moment this is intended for helping in planing the=20
tracks, we can create any view we like and have time for ;-).


--On Donnerstag, Mai 09, 2002 12:31:01 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

>> Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-)
>> Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-)
>>
>> I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so
>> that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that =
you've
>> a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're
>> seeing/working
>
>> like it is now ?
>
> Yes that's a way of displaying the tracks as well, specified per topic.
>
> You could even go further and let the user specify multiple topics. eg =
I'm
> interested in 'Zope' & 'Python' talks
>
> (Remind that PythonHackers changed to Python & Jython)
>
> Another way of displaying the tracks would also be possible per Day and
> Track, instead per topic.
>
> Assume someone wants to look what happens on day1: He/She selects day1 =
and
> gets all talks sorted per track.
> Further he than still has the possibility to filter on track as well:
> He/She gets all the talks for a specific track of that day.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
>
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 12:21:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 13:21:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning
References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]> <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <43800000.1020941885@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <018501c1f74b$b05409f0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

>just a reminder, at the moment this is intended for helping in planing the
tracks, we can create any view we like and have time for ;-).

Correct, but what's done is done :-))

I was just brainstorming,

Regards,
Tom.


--On Donnerstag, Mai 09, 2002 12:31:01 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>
wrote:

>> Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-)
>> Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-)
>>
>> I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so
>> that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've
>> a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're
>> seeing/working
>
>> like it is now ?
>
> Yes that's a way of displaying the tracks as well, specified per topic.
>
> You could even go further and let the user specify multiple topics. eg I'm
> interested in 'Zope' & 'Python' talks
>
> (Remind that PythonHackers changed to Python & Jython)
>
> Another way of displaying the tracks would also be possible per Day and
> Track, instead per topic.
>
> Assume someone wants to look what happens on day1: He/She selects day1 and
> gets all talks sorted per track.
> Further he than still has the possibility to filter on track as well:
> He/She gets all the talks for a specific track of that day.
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
>
>
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From olivier.deckmyn@ingeniweb.com  Thu May  9 13:11:12 2002
From: olivier.deckmyn@ingeniweb.com (Olivier Deckmyn - Ingeniweb)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:11:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Message au Zopemaster
References: <031501c1f61c$b222b220$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <013301c1f752$9e1b9030$6300010a@kashmir>

Done : http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/europython2002
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: <zopera@zopera.org>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:12 AM
Subject: Message au Zopemaster


> Hi,
>
> Would it be possible to add a EuroPython banner to the Zopera site?
> We're trying our best to make this event as great as possible. Both Python
> and Zope enthousiastics will find something in which they interest.
>
> Your site reaches a lot of people and it would be great if you gave
> EuroPython2002 (www.europython.org) a chance to become a solid event
> somewhere in Europe, every year.
>
> You can download the banner at http://europython.zope.nl/images/banner_03.
>
>  It would also be great if you could announce the following on the site as
> well:
>
> "The EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and Zope
> Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002.
> The European Python and Zope Conference is an initiative by the EuroPython
> Conference Team to bring together Python and Zope users and developers.
This
> is also an opportunity for those who are interested in these technologies
to
> learn more about them. This will be the first major European event
dedicated
> solely to the Python programming language and its applications. Since
Python
> is seeing a lot of use and much important Python software is developed in
> Europe, European Python community members felt it was high time to
organize
> such a gathering."
>
> Many thanks in advance,
>
> Tom Deprez.
>
>
>




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 13:25:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:25:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Message au Zopemaster
References: <031501c1f61c$b222b220$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <013301c1f752$9e1b9030$6300010a@kashmir>
Message-ID: <006f01c1f754$a96ea9c0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Many thanks for your support!

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Olivier Deckmyn - Ingeniweb" <olivier.deckmyn@ingeniweb.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: Message au Zopemaster


> Done : http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/europython2002
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> To: <zopera@zopera.org>
> Cc: <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:12 AM
> Subject: Message au Zopemaster
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Would it be possible to add a EuroPython banner to the Zopera site?
> > We're trying our best to make this event as great as possible. Both
Python
> > and Zope enthousiastics will find something in which they interest.
> >
> > Your site reaches a lot of people and it would be great if you gave
> > EuroPython2002 (www.europython.org) a chance to become a solid event
> > somewhere in Europe, every year.
> >
> > You can download the banner at
http://europython.zope.nl/images/banner_03.
> >
> >  It would also be great if you could announce the following on the site
as
> > well:
> >
> > "The EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and
Zope
> > Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28,
2002.
> > The European Python and Zope Conference is an initiative by the
EuroPython
> > Conference Team to bring together Python and Zope users and developers.
> This
> > is also an opportunity for those who are interested in these
technologies
> to
> > learn more about them. This will be the first major European event
> dedicated
> > solely to the Python programming language and its applications. Since
> Python
> > is seeing a lot of use and much important Python software is developed
in
> > Europe, European Python community members felt it was high time to
> organize
> > such a gathering."
> >
> > Many thanks in advance,
> >
> > Tom Deprez.
> >
> >
> >
>





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 16:15:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 17:15:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers
Message-ID: <02f501c1f76c$56a5f550$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

There or only two track descriptions posted on this list (Python In Science
And Industry and Zope).

Would the other (Python & Jython; Python Business; Python Applications; Web
Services) please find some time to make a small track description.
If everybody is ready, we can post this on the web as well.

Thanks in advance,
Tom.





From denis@aragne.com  Thu May  9 17:19:07 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:19:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Zopera [Was: Message au Zopemaster]
In-Reply-To: <006f01c1f754$a96ea9c0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <031501c1f61c$b222b220$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <013301c1f752$9e1b9030$6300010a@kashmir> <006f01c1f754$a96ea9c0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020509181907.I1158@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:25:46PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Many thanks for your support!

> > Done : http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/europython2002

Merci Olivier.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 17:32:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:32:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
Message-ID: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

This is a special note to the track managers:

A) Can everybody send his/her contact information which I can use on the
website so that people know whom to contact concerning a certain track?

B) Joachim made an entry form for storing all the information concerning the
talks into xml.
It would be nice that if there are already decisions made concerning the
programmation of talks, it would be nice that you would use this form.
If the Amaze server gets ready, we can move this data over to the EuroPython
site and generate views so people can see the session informations and a
summary of the talks. This data will also be used by the ReportLab team to
dynamically generate pdf flyers, brochures so visitors can download this
information before they are comming to this event!

As you see, it is important to use this form and to fill it in as good as
you can.

(Of course, if you don't have this information yet, you could also try the
form out a few times and report problems to Joachim).

The form can be found on:

http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/ you login in as visitor, guest.


C) Don't forget to post your subscription :-)

Thanks for the great work!

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May  9 21:56:18 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 22:56:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gadgets!
Message-ID: <042101c1f79c$5d327030$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Well, you asked for it. Now you can't return on your words :-).
Vincent made some posters and logos in different sizes and formats. Great
work Vincent!
I hope there is something in it that you like, which shouldn't be the
problem I think ;-)
And I hope you'll all make use of it, now that we've put our precious time
in it :-)

Ok, enough set. Go and look at http://europython.zope.nl/gadgets
Print them out and display them, show that you will be at EuroPython2002.

Comments, improvements, suggestions, always welcome!

More to come? Just aks and we'll see what we can do for you.

Thanks!

Tom.





From lac@strakt.com  Thu May  9 23:46:08 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:46:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
 of "Thu, 09 May 2002 18:32:09 +0200." <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <200205092246.g49Mk8jX032335@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

Thank you to whoever fixed Jacob Hall=E9n's name.  Much appreciated.
Laura Creighton



From lac@strakt.com  Fri May 10 07:59:33 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:59:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with the mail at aragne
Message-ID: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

I can't send mail to Tom Deprez.
Laura
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From brendon@70south.com  Fri May 10 11:59:10 2002
From: brendon@70south.com (Brendon Grunewald)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:59:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Website
In-Reply-To: <20020509160013.17539.25936.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <JFEDLLPFMPBFLDNOEIKOMEBECNAA.brendon@70south.com>

Dear Europythonas,

Great work on the new website.

I have added a banner add to the 70South site's ad queue. Is there anyway
else for people (that like me, who are python programming challenged) to
assist? Besides hotel info translation that is ;-)

I look forward to the conference.

Regards,
Brendon

---
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Shackleton.

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www.70south.com/about/contact (Contact Details in US, EU, and via internet)

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- Award winning, Interactive and updated daily with the latest news and
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- The No.1 source for Antarcticles (tm)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 12:46:23 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:46:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the website
Message-ID: <20020510114623.GA1203@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

A small suggestion for the website; the main image is rather big and
this makes the news items fall off to the left. Would it perhaps be
possible to scale the image down by a bit so people don't have to scroll
sideways to find the news? That'd also help people to find the text 
under the image.

I mean, it's a cool image, but by making it quite a bit smaller we can
actually improve the usability of the site by quite a bit..

Regards,

Martijn





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 13:02:38 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
In-Reply-To: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is a special note to the track managers:
> 
> A) Can everybody send his/her contact information which I can use on the
> website so that people know whom to contact concerning a certain track?

Some of this information is online already, see the PythonApplicationsTrack
and PythonHackers track.

I'll extend the short abstracts:

PythonHackersTrack 

  A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this
  includes changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco) as
  well as other implementations (Jython), as well as its performance under
  unusual circumstances.

PythonApplicationsTrack

  This track contains talks on a wide range of Python applications and
  frameworks.

> B) Joachim made an entry form for storing all the information concerning the
> talks into xml.
> It would be nice that if there are already decisions made concerning the
> programmation of talks, it would be nice that you would use this form.

Okay, I'll enter the info I have right now there.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 13:06:23 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:06:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
In-Reply-To: <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl>
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020510120623.GA2452@vet.uu.nl>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > This is a special note to the track managers:
> > 
> > A) Can everybody send his/her contact information which I can use on the
> > website so that people know whom to contact concerning a certain track?
> 
> Some of this information is online already, see the PythonApplicationsTrack
> and PythonHackers track.
> 
> I'll extend the short abstracts:
> 
> PythonHackersTrack 
> 
>   A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this
>   includes changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco) as
>   well as other implementations (Jython), as well as its performance under
>   unusual circumstances.

Hm, rewrite this to:

PythonHackersTrack

  A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this includes
  the use of existing features in innovative ways, as well as 
  changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco), as well
  as other implementations (Jython).

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 13:07:05 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:07:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the website
References: <20020510114623.GA1203@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <047601c1f81b$339bab90$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Urg, didn't realised it was too big for some people.
It looks nice here. But my screen resolution is rather high, I'll change it.

Regards, Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:46 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the website


> Hi there,
>
> A small suggestion for the website; the main image is rather big and
> this makes the news items fall off to the left. Would it perhaps be
> possible to scale the image down by a bit so people don't have to scroll
> sideways to find the news? That'd also help people to find the text
> under the image.
>
> I mean, it's a cool image, but by making it quite a bit smaller we can
> actually improve the usability of the site by quite a bit..
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 13:08:33 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:08:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner
Message-ID: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

A suggestion for the talk planner; I have of course no idea yet what times
to fill in for these talks, or on what day they will be. I hope that isn't
going to screw things up.

Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I think we
need that.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 13:11:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:11:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

>
> PythonHackersTrack
>
>   A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this
>   includes changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco) as
>   well as other implementations (Jython), as well as its performance under
>   unusual circumstances.

Martijn,

please note that by vote during the last chat, the PythonHackersTrack is
restored to it's original name : Python & Jython.
(information see on the chat log of 6 may)

Regards, Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 13:13:10 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:13:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] talk planner weird
Message-ID: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I just did the entry for Armin Rigo, and somehow his name is repeated
twice in the overview, while I cannot seem to correct this on the form.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 13:31:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:31:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner
References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <048c01c1f81e$8f859c10$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Martijn,

Yes, I've asked this to Joachim as well. He planned to do this when we move
from his server to Amaze.

Regards, Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:08 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner


> Hi there,
>
> A suggestion for the talk planner; I have of course no idea yet what times
> to fill in for these talks, or on what day they will be. I hope that isn't
> going to screw things up.
>
> Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I think
we
> need that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 13:35:14 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:35:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] server problems?
Message-ID: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

I've changed the home page. Please look if it's ok now (ie that you don't
have to scroll)
However, there seems to be a server problem of some kind now:

www.europython.org gives forbidden access,
while
www.europython.org/index_html is ok.

I've notified the Amaze people


Ps. The problems with my email address (tom@aragne.com) should be gone now.

Regards,
Tom.




From js@aixtraware.de  Fri May 10 13:36:54 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:36:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner
In-Reply-To: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <146350000.1021034214@[10.2.1.1]>

No, just select day =3D 0 (just added) and time 0:00, you can plan later by =

editing these.


--On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20
<faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> A suggestion for the talk planner; I have of course no idea yet what =
times
> to fill in for these talks, or on what day they will be. I hope that =
isn't
> going to screw things up.
>
> Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I
> think we need that.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 10 13:42:36 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:42:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with the mail at aragne
In-Reply-To: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20020510144236.F1158@carolo.net>

Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:59:33AM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota:
> 
> I can't send mail to Tom Deprez.

Should be OK now.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From js@aixtraware.de  Fri May 10 13:46:19 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:46:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner
In-Reply-To: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <147050000.1021034779@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20
<faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:
>
> Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I
> think we need that.
>

by the magic of rapid development, there is now a biography entry ;-)



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 13:47:05 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:47:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] www.europython.org problems fixed
Message-ID: <04c801c1f820$ca357ef0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

EuroPython server problems are fixed! Wow, that was fast! Thanks Amaze.

Regards,
Tom.




From js@aixtraware.de  Fri May 10 13:52:06 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:52:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] talk planner weird
In-Reply-To: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <147860000.1021035126@[10.2.1.1]>

I only see one entry.


--On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:13:10 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20
<faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I just did the entry for Armin Rigo, and somehow his name is repeated
> twice in the overview, while I cannot seem to correct this on the form.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:16:50 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:16:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
In-Reply-To: <E175WdM-0003JQ-00@smtp.web.de>
References: <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> <E175WdM-0003JQ-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <20020510131650.GA2575@vet.uu.nl>

Juergen Hermann wrote:
> On Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
> >* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run
> >  by Tim Couper and myself)
> 
> Anyone interested in a XML BOF?

I'd be delighted!

Regards,

Martijn




From lac@strakt.com  Fri May 10 14:15:49 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:15:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with the mail at aragne
In-Reply-To: Message from Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?= <denis@aragne.com>
 of "Fri, 10 May 2002 14:42:36 +0200." <20020510144236.F1158@carolo.net>
References: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>  <20020510144236.F1158@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <200205101315.g4ADFnjX003335@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:59:33AM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota:
> > 
> > I can't send mail to Tom Deprez.
> 
> Should be OK now.
> 
> Denis

<cheer!>  Thanks very much, Denis.

Laura 



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:26:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:26:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] PDF Posters
Message-ID: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? Do they need some
changes?
I don't have an A3  color printer and I'm curious if the posters are looking
nice enough.

Regards,
Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:32:23 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:32:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] server problems?
In-Reply-To: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020510133223.GA2923@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I've changed the home page. Please look if it's ok now (ie that you don't
> have to scroll)

No sideways scrolling, which was my main problem. Still need to scroll
down to see the start of the text, but that's okay.

Thanks!

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:22:12 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:22:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
In-Reply-To: <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> please note that by vote during the last chat, the PythonHackersTrack is
> restored to it's original name : Python & Jython.
> (information see on the chat log of 6 may)

Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing
how this makes sense. It doesn't make much sense anyway to call it the
'Python' track, on a python conference..

I should've remembered the IRC chat..

Regards,

Martijn




From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 10 14:36:20 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:36:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] PDF Posters
In-Reply-To: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510153501.0229f640@pop.swing.be>

At 15:26 10/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? Do they need some
>changes?
>I don't have an A3  color printer and I'm curious if the posters are looking
>nice enough.

I printed 1 A4...

The only problem I have is that the abstract is maybe a little too crowded 
to be read.

I mean it would need somme more whitespace...

The rest of the design is very good IMHO at least.


>Regards,
>Tom.
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:31:27 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:31:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming
Message-ID: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I think 'Python and Jython' for the thing formerly named Python Hackers
track is a bad name. It implies it'll be mostly about Jython, while
Jython is just one talk in a whole bunch.

I suggest we rename it to something like the "Python Language" track, even
though this describes the contents of the track less well than Python
Hackers. This is after all a track about cool hacks, big and small, 
with the Python language. I won't argue about the PR stuff though, even
though this might educate people on the true meaning of the word 'hacker' :)

Anyway, so let's call it 'Python Language' for now, until a better description
comes along. Can we change this on the published schedule?

Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps
some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we
will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for
the former, and I imagine this will remain the case.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:36:58 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:36:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] server problems?
References: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510133223.GA2923@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <057901c1f827$c24db4d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> No sideways scrolling, which was my main problem. Still need to scroll
> down to see the start of the text, but that's okay.

Ok. On which resolution are you browsing?
Do other people have the same problems?

Tom. 





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:37:55 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:37:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting?
Message-ID: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the
EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this?

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:40:08 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] talk planner weird
In-Reply-To: <147860000.1021035126@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl> <147860000.1021035126@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <20020510134008.GA2994@vet.uu.nl>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> I only see one entry.

On the overview page:

http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/

it says:

 1 PythonHackers 0:00  Armin Rigo Armin Rigo Psyco

I think a single Armin should be enough. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:40:00 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] PDF Posters
In-Reply-To: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020510154000.B13374@carolo.net>

Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:26:51PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? 

I printed the A4 one. It's quite good on my color deskjet (out of margin
on my bw laserjet).

> Do they need some changes?

The text is not attractive enough. Well, it's not a question of fonts or
any technical problem : I'm speaking from a marketing point of view.

Would someone have a brilliant idea ?

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:42:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:42:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <057f01c1f828$8240f540$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > please note that by vote during the last chat, the PythonHackersTrack is
> > restored to it's original name : Python & Jython.
> > (information see on the chat log of 6 may)
>
> Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing
> how this makes sense.

> It doesn't make much sense anyway to call it the 'Python' track, on a
python conference..

Don't know if it doesn't make sence. This track handles on the programming
language 'Python', while others handle on the business, applications, etc of
Python. Since the track really handles on the programming language, I don't
think it's that weird to call it a Python track.

The main reason of not choosing Python Hackers is the that hackers are
regulary mistaken with the wrong group of people... ie crackers.

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:45:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:45:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Website
References: <JFEDLLPFMPBFLDNOEIKOMEBECNAA.brendon@70south.com>
Message-ID: <059101c1f828$e11080e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Dear Europythonas,
>
> Great work on the new website.
>
> I have added a banner add to the 70South site's ad queue.

Marvelous! Thanks a lot!

>Is there anyway else for people (that like me, who are python programming
challenged) to assist? Besides hotel info translation that is ;-)

Do you've something in mind that you could help on? Ie in which direction
and more important how much time can put into it :-)

> I look forward to the conference

Me too, I hope there are more people with the same idea :-)

Regards,
Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:47:39 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:47:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Martelli talk
Message-ID: <20020510134739.GA3068@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I just saw the Alex Martelli talk listed under tutorials in the wiki
as well as under the Python Hackers^H^HLanguage track. Which is it going to be?

(it is only natural that some talks are going to have a more tutorial like
nature than others, and that this isn't a problem, even if not officially
a tutorial, so this could be in both tracks)

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:48:21 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:48:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] PDF Posters
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510153501.0229f640@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <059701c1f829$59714e70$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> >Hi,
> >
> >Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? Do they need
some
> >changes?
> >I don't have an A3  color printer and I'm curious if the posters are
looking
> >nice enough.
>
> I printed 1 A4...
>
> The only problem I have is that the abstract is maybe a little too crowded
to be read.

Yes, I was afraid of this as well.
Don't know how we can fix it dough. More whitespace would probably make that
textbox too big.
I think we should shorten the abstract.... have to look into it.

Are other people having the same idea (ie concerning the abstract box?)

Regards, Tom.








From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:49:52 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:49:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] server problems?
In-Reply-To: <057901c1f827$c24db4d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510133223.GA2923@vet.uu.nl> <057901c1f827$c24db4d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020510134952.GA3172@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> > No sideways scrolling, which was my main problem. Still need to scroll
> > down to see the start of the text, but that's okay.
> 
> Ok. On which resolution are you browsing?
> Do other people have the same problems?

This is 1024x768 desktop, but my browser window never covers my whole
screen.

Anyway, it's not a big deal anymore as at least the news is immediately
obviously present.

Regards,

Martijn




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 10 14:50:44 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:50:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management
In-Reply-To: <20020510131650.GA2575@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205101550260.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Juergen Hermann wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > 
> > >* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run
> > >  by Tim Couper and myself)
> > 
> > Anyone interested in a XML BOF?
> 
> I'd be delighted!

I think several logilab hackers would attend that one :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:53:49 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:53:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net>

Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:37:55PM +0200, Martijn Faassen pianota:
> Hi there,
> 
> We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the
> EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this?

That could be an activity for Friday PM.
I think we should also have a web based vote for those who won't be
able to show up in Charleroi.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:54:35 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:54:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming
References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> Hi there,
>
> I think 'Python and Jython' for the thing formerly named Python Hackers
> track is a bad name. It implies it'll be mostly about Jython, while
> Jython is just one talk in a whole bunch.
>
> I suggest we rename it to something like the "Python Language" track, even
> though this describes the contents of the track less well than Python
> Hackers. This is after all a track about cool hacks, big and small,
> with the Python language. I won't argue about the PR stuff though, even
> though this might educate people on the true meaning of the word 'hacker'
:)
>
> Anyway, so let's call it 'Python Language' for now, until a better
description
> comes along. Can we change this on the published schedule?
>
> Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps
> some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we
> will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for
> the former, and I imagine this will remain the case.

Argh, not again this discussion. I'd hoped this discussion was closed on the
last chat, everybody agreed ;-)
Mmm, I don't know that people would think as they see 'Python & Jython',
that it will handle only on Jython.
Lets put it on the chat program for monday. But let us not discuss about
this too much, there are points to handle which are more urgent

Tom.





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 14:40:51 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner
In-Reply-To: <147050000.1021034779@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> <147050000.1021034779@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <20020510134051.GA3017@vet.uu.nl>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> --On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Martijn Faassen 
> <faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:
> >
> >Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I
> >think we need that.
> 
> by the magic of rapid development, there is now a biography entry ;-)

Great!

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 14:57:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:57:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting?
References: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl> <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <05c901c1f82a$aacfe230$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the
> > EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this?
>
> That could be an activity for Friday PM.
> I think we should also have a web based vote for those who won't be able
to show up in Charleroi.

Yes, like me :-(. I won't be there on friday PM.

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 15:25:27 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:25:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New EuroPython Server
Message-ID: <05f301c1f82e$885e4cb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi all,

In order to allow Joachims registration products to work on EuroPython the
need rised to have our own Zope Instance.
Gladly the people at Amaze are so nice, that they gave one right away.

At the moment, I'm trying to migrate the content to the other sever. So,
please, do not change anything on the website and wiki's.

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 15:38:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 16:38:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] New EuroPython Server
References: <05f301c1f82e$885e4cb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <05ff01c1f830$64388970$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Ok,

Migration should be complete. For now, you can go to
http://europython2.zope.nl to make your changes.
Soon www.europython .org domain will point to this server.

I couldn't move over the users, so if you want to have access again, please
send me a mail.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:25 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] New EuroPython Server


> Hi all,
>
> In order to allow Joachims registration products to work on EuroPython the
> need rised to have our own Zope Instance.
> Gladly the people at Amaze are so nice, that they gave one right away.
>
> At the moment, I'm trying to migrate the content to the other sever. So,
> please, do not change anything on the website and wiki's.
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From lozinski@jobmart.com  Fri May 10 17:15:32 2002
From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:15:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Mac OS X Track?
In-Reply-To: <20020510135601.13064.48998.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <1020510091532.5505AAC/S.lozinski@maya>

With the newest release of Python Card on Mac OS  X, and of wing IDE on Mac OS
X, I am wondering if you are considering having a Python on Mac OS X track?

My reading is that it might generate huge attention right now.

Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 17:20:57 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:20:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming
In-Reply-To: <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020510162057.GA3652@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Argh, not again this discussion. I'd hoped this discussion was closed on the
> last chat, everybody agreed ;-)

It's my fault for not being there, but I *am* organizing this track! Consider
also the discussion was *opened* at last chat apparently.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 10 17:22:15 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:22:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Mac OS X Track?
In-Reply-To: <1020510091532.5505AAC/S.lozinski@maya>
References: <20020510135601.13064.48998.Mailman@mail.python.org> <1020510091532.5505AAC/S.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <20020510162215.GA3703@vet.uu.nl>

lozinski@jobmart.com wrote:
> With the newest release of Python Card on Mac OS  X, and of wing IDE on Mac OS
> X, I am wondering if you are considering having a Python on Mac OS X track?
> 
> My reading is that it might generate huge attention right now.

It is too late to organize a track. If you'd like to organize a talk
(if it can be fitted in) or lightning talk or BoF, go ahead.

Regards,

Martijn




From js@aixtraware.de  Fri May 10 17:23:37 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:23:37 +0200
Subject: [ez] Re: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net>
References: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl>
 <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <161910000.1021047817@[10.2.1.1]>

Dennis,

I remember that you also were not available on friday PM. I generally think =

friday PM is not a good idea, I would perfer wednesday or thursday evening.


--On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 15:53:49 +0200 Denis Fr=E8re <denis@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

> Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:37:55PM +0200, Martijn Faassen pianota:
>> Hi there,
>>
>> We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the
>> EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this?
>
> That could be an activity for Friday PM.
> I think we should also have a web based vote for those who won't be
> able to show up in Charleroi.
>
> Denis
>
> --
> Denis FRERE
> P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
> OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org
> Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com
>
> _____________________________________________________
> EuroZope mailing list     http://www.eurozope.org
> EuroZope@comlounge.net
> https://admin.comlounge.net/mailman/listinfo/eurozope



best regards                 Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman)


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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 10 17:45:14 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:45:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming
References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510162057.GA3652@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <069e01c1f842$0f333a30$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > Argh, not again this discussion. I'd hoped this discussion was closed on
the
> > last chat, everybody agreed ;-)
>
> It's my fault for not being there, but I *am* organizing this track!
Consider also the discussion was *opened* at last chat apparently.

The discussion started before the last chat, just after I created the first
versions of the time schedule (must have been the evening of the first
chat). I think you could find mails about that in the europython mail
archives.
In fact, I don't care how the track is named (well depends :-)) , we only
need a concensus. I know that you're organizing the track, but let's discuss
this point on the chat of monday. What I mean is, let us now focus on other
more urgent matters and handle this topic next chat. What do you think?

Regards, Tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 10 22:13:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:13:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers
References: <02f501c1f76c$56a5f550$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CDC37E2.28B86098@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> There or only two track descriptions posted on this list (Python In Science
> And Industry and Zope).
> 
> Would the other (Python & Jython; Python Business; Python Applications; Web
> Services) please find some time to make a small track description.
> If everybody is ready, we can post this on the web as well.

The descriptions for business and web services track are
in the wiki. If those are not appropriate, please tell
us.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 10 22:26:34 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:26:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Jython (To all track managers PART II)
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CDC3B0A.6AEA6FA3@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing
> how this makes sense. 

Is Finn Bock coming to the conference ? If not, please invite
him ! 

I really do think that we should give more focus
to Jython -- it's the perfect entry point for Java programmers
and businesses which (for some reason) are bound to the Java
model.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 10 22:29:11 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:29:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming
References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CDC3BA7.EA394C2C@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> I think 'Python and Jython' for the thing formerly named Python Hackers
> track is a bad name. It implies it'll be mostly about Jython, while
> Jython is just one talk in a whole bunch.
>
> I suggest we rename it to something like the "Python Language" track, even
> though this describes the contents of the track less well than Python
> Hackers. This is after all a track about cool hacks, big and small,
> with the Python language. I won't argue about the PR stuff though, even
> though this might educate people on the true meaning of the word 'hacker' :)
> 
> Anyway, so let's call it 'Python Language' for now, until a better description
> comes along. Can we change this on the published schedule?

No discussion about this, please ! We've had the decision on the
IRC meeting and that's it.

I'd rather like to see more Jython talks than discussions about
the track name.

> Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps
> some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we
> will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for
> the former, and I imagine this will remain the case.

That's for the track champions to decide :-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 11 13:40:21 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 14:40:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] More good news! and to all _trackmanagers_
Message-ID: <022101c1f8eb$289968b0$8e8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

First with our own instance of a Zope Server (thanks Amaze), we're now able
to use the products of Joachim, this means several things:

1) Online payment through a Zope/Python interface! Soon ready, so stay tuned
to buy the entrance tickets :-)

2) _trackmanagers_: edit/add your track information now at
http://www.europython.org/Talks; You still need the same login infomation.
    We'll work further on a user interface for the visitors of the site.

(cheers and many thanks to Joachim)

Several other points, like the hot-topic 'booths', are discussed and we'll
announce the result very soon!

Regards,
Tom.





From bh@intevation.de  Sat May 11 19:27:27 2002
From: bh@intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog)
Date: 11 May 2002 20:27:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sketch Talk
Message-ID: <6qoffmr14g.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>

Hi all,

the PythonApplicationsTrack wiki page[1] says that there's "no fixed
deadline for proposals yet, but it'll have to be soon from now". I'm not
sure whether this part has been kept up to date. Is it still possible to
propose a talk? I'd like to give a talk about Sketch.

   Bernhard

[1] http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PythonApplicationsTrack

-- 
Intevation GmbH                                 http://intevation.de/
Sketch                                 http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
MapIt!                                           http://www.mapit.de/



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 11 19:51:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 20:51:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] _summary_
Message-ID: <044801c1f91d$3a6ca110$8e8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

I hope you are still with us. I can imagine that several people, who don't
regulary follow this mailing list, will have problems following everything.
Therefor I made this summary. If others find out that I missed something,
sorry.

What happened this week?
---------------------------

* To your request: We created posters and images in all sorts of formats:
use them well. (Let us know concerning improvements of these)
* Special email address: if you are in need of some serious informaton and
don't know whom to ask or didn't get an answer from another person. We'll
try to answer your questions to the best we can and if possible forward your
question to the person in charge of those topics.
* A contact page is added, now it includes the special address
* Registration page: almost finished. Several payments are possible
* You can order a T-shirt at the soon to be release registration page.
* Booths page: almost finished
* Website: Introduction of a Tips, Contact, Gadgets, Floorplan and Sessions
page. The Sessions page will contain all talk related material. At the
moment it contains the time schedule (which was earlier a main link) and the
Track descriptions. (If I made a mistake concerning the descriptions, let me
know or change it yourself).
* We received our own Zope instance and secure access to the server from the
Amaze people. Now we've full control over our database and zope instance.
* ReportLab people are starting on the dynamically creation of brochures,
time schedules etc. These can be donwloaded by the visitors before they come
to the congress.
* Zope Tutorial Day AM is filled. Jim Fulton will give the whole morning a
Zope3 tutorial.

* A Zope3 sprint is announced! This will happen the days before the congress
and is hosted by Aragne. If you want to work on Zope3 during this sprint,
please contact paul@zope.com

Planned topics for next week:
-----------------------------

1. Chat on Monday 17:00h. Started to add points for the next chat:
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay13 ; Please, if you know of
something, add them to the list or contact us and we'll add them or we'll
give the answer to you.

2. Activating the registration of booths page

3. Activating the registration page

4. Creation of the talks information page for visitors.

5. Creation of sponsor page (possible ways to spend your company money on
EuroPython - apart from hiring a booth)


And now, I'm going to take a break :-)

Have a nice weekend,
Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 11 20:27:35 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:27:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] if people want to help on the website
Message-ID: <04b801c1f921$e974fdc0$8e8d84d5@skullsplitter>

If people don't know what to do this weekend, they can:

1. Add the contactpersons of the different tracks to the track information
(you can find this information on the wiki)

2. Make a user interface which queries the Talks database for talks. On:

    Day: Gives all the talks of that day
    Track: Gives all the talks of that track
    Session : Give all the talks of that session

    Or any possible combination of the above.

Thanks,
Tom.





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May 11 20:38:52 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:38:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Jython (To all track managers PART II)
In-Reply-To: <3CDC3B0A.6AEA6FA3@lemburg.com>
References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl> <3CDC3B0A.6AEA6FA3@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020511193852.GA5957@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> > 
> > Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing
> > how this makes sense. 
> 
> Is Finn Bock coming to the conference ? If not, please invite
> him ! 

He's giving the talk. :)

> I really do think that we should give more focus
> to Jython -- it's the perfect entry point for Java programmers
> and businesses which (for some reason) are bound to the Java
> model.

Sure, I also asked Samuele Pedroni to give a talk, but I haven't gotten
a response yet. I'll mail him.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May 11 20:42:31 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:42:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming
In-Reply-To: <3CDC3BA7.EA394C2C@lemburg.com>
References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> <3CDC3BA7.EA394C2C@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020511194231.GC5957@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> No discussion about this, please ! We've had the decision on the
> IRC meeting and that's it.

I think the person organizing the track ought to have at some input
on this! I put it on the agenda again for the next IRC chat.

> > Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps
> > some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we
> > will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for
> > the former, and I imagine this will remain the case.
> 
> That's for the track champions to decide :-)

Sure, and I'm the track champions (along with Shae Erisson for the app track),
in case this wasn't clear.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun May 12 01:40:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 12 May 2002 02:40:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] if people want to help on the website
References: <04b801c1f921$e974fdc0$8e8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <054501c1f94d$98749620$8e8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> If people don't know what to do this weekend, they can:
>
> 1. Add the contactpersons of the different tracks to the track information
> (you can find this information on the wiki)

Sorry, did this one myself already. :-)
It was too important to let it wait a few days

> 2. Make a user interface which queries the Talks database for talks. On:
>
>     Day: Gives all the talks of that day
>     Track: Gives all the talks of that track
>     Session : Give all the talks of that session
>
>     Or any possible combination of the above.

Regards,
Tom.





From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 13 08:29:54 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:29:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sketch Talk
In-Reply-To: <6qoffmr14g.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513092830.01d04dd0@pop.swing.be>

At 20:27 11/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>the PythonApplicationsTrack wiki page[1] says that there's "no fixed
>deadline for proposals yet, but it'll have to be soon from now". I'm not
>sure whether this part has been kept up to date. Is it still possible to
>propose a talk? I'd like to give a talk about Sketch.

I am not in charge of Python Applications.
But if I followed this list well, I think you can go and send a proposal...

>    Bernhard
>
>[1] http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PythonApplicationsTrack
>
>--
>Intevation GmbH                                 http://intevation.de/
>Sketch                                 http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
>MapIt!                                           http://www.mapit.de/
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

--

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Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
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From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Mon May 13 10:00:30 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:00:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] LSM 2002 - Expert tutorial
Message-ID: <3CDF80AE.B82626BE@onera.fr>

Hi all,
we have the LSM 2002 in Bordeaux (France), the third edition 
of a free and open Open Source meeting (July 9th/13th).

This year again, we're having a Python track and I'm looking 
for a Python expert tutorial, in English. 
I'll make a french presentation of Python, covering
large topics and first steps of programming. The expert
tutorial should go deeper, its target is an audience of good
developpers, already knowing Perl, Python, C++ or Java...
There is a possibility of classrooms with practical training.

Let me know if you're interested with this tutorial.

Marcvs [alias Any other suggestions are welcome]



From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr  Mon May 13 12:29:27 2002
From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:29:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list
Message-ID: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr>

I wonder if you could put P.Dubois as guest on first page.
I don't know what you're really meaning by guest, but P.Dubois
is close enough to the history of Python to be in the front page.
He will open the Python in science and industry track.

Marcvs [alias Quest the guest or guess the quess]



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 13 12:40:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:40:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list
References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter>

Sure!

I've asked if people knew of other _well-known_ guest people, some time ago
on this list. Therefor, let me know if there are other people as well!

Regards,,
tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Poinot" <Marc.Poinot@onera.fr>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:29 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list


>
> I wonder if you could put P.Dubois as guest on first page.
> I don't know what you're really meaning by guest, but P.Dubois
> is close enough to the history of Python to be in the front page.
> He will open the Python in science and industry track.
>
> Marcvs [alias Quest the guest or guess the quess]
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 13 16:02:10 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 17:02:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Chat
Message-ID: <02ae01c1fa8f$2a2e4fb0$598d84d5@skullsplitter>

The Chart starts within 5 minutes.





From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 13 22:09:52 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:09:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students
In-Reply-To: <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be>

Hi,

I do not think we have decided about onsite fee for students.

Or they get normal onsite 300 euros and it should be more explicit on the 
website.

Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would 
propose 150 euros.

This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit cards or 
(swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of them 
showing on site with cash.
--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From denis@aragne.com  Tue May 14 02:52:01 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:52:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sketch Talk
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513092830.01d04dd0@pop.swing.be>
References: <6qoffmr14g.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513092830.01d04dd0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020514035201.E6688@carolo.net>

Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:29:54AM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> At 20:27 11/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote:
> 
> >Hi all,
> >
> >the PythonApplicationsTrack wiki page[1] says that there's "no fixed
> >deadline for proposals yet, but it'll have to be soon from now". I'm
> >not sure whether this part has been kept up to date. Is it still
> >possible to propose a talk? I'd like to give a talk about Sketch.
> 
> I am not in charge of Python Applications.
> But if I followed this list well, I think you can go and send a
> proposal...

For me, I would be pleased to have you among us. I'm sure we'll find a
hole in the program to stick you in.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Tue May 14 02:54:07 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:54:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be>
References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020514035407.F6688@carolo.net>

Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> 
> Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would 
> propose 150 euros.
> 
> This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit cards or 
> (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of them 
> showing on site with cash.

+1

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Tue May 14 09:11:00 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:11:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
Message-ID: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

I've looked a bit into the "Gadgets" section and would like to make 
some comments on it.

First, I'm not sure "Gadgets" is the right word here. I think it is 
normaly used for little, more or less geekish devices, not for po-
sters and other print material, but maybe the language has evolved 
quite a lot since last time I heard the word?

Then, I'd expect the logo to appear at the top rather than at the 
bottom of the posters...

And finally, all PDF files I've seen there have a "lousy" bitmap EPC 
logo, wich means they are not suited for printing. I have no idea how
they were created, though. In any case I've converted the SVG version
to PDF (using the tools I'm planning to present at the meeting) after 
changing only one line of the original code. The files are available 
here (if they are of any help):

  http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.svg
  http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.pdf

where 'm' means 'modified'... You can convert other files with an on-
line version of this, but will see a nagline at the bottom:

  http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/svg2pdf.html

Regards,

Dinu

--
Dinu C. Gherman
..........................................................................
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1961000/1961476.stm



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 10:02:06 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:02:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hi,
>
> I've looked a bit into the "Gadgets" section and would like to make
> some comments on it.
>
> First, I'm not sure "Gadgets" is the right word here. I think it is
> normaly used for little, more or less geekish devices, not for po-
> sters and other print material, but maybe the language has evolved
> quite a lot since last time I heard the word?

Sorry for my english, just give a better name and we'll change it.
We're open for ideas..

> Then, I'd expect the logo to appear at the top rather than at the
> bottom of the posters...

Well.... We've asked a week ago if people had _better_ ideas.
Nobody replied. If you can do it better, go ahead, we would be glad to add
it to list.
We can't do everything on our own.

> And finally, all PDF files I've seen there have a "lousy" bitmap EPC
> logo, wich means they are not suited for printing. I have no idea how
> they were created, though. In any case I've converted the SVG version
> to PDF (using the tools I'm planning to present at the meeting) after
> changing only one line of the original code.

We can only give what we have.
Thanks, this is input we gladly except.

>The files are available here (if they are of any help):
>
>   http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.svg
>   http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.pdf
>
> where 'm' means 'modified'... You can convert other files with an on-
> line version of this, but will see a nagline at the bottom:

I've put the above files in the list
>
>   http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/svg2pdf.html
>
> Regards,
>
> Dinu
>
> --
> Dinu C. Gherman
>
...........................................................................
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1961000/1961476.stm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 10:04:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:04:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Jython
Message-ID: <027101c1fb26$6185eb20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Martijn,

I'm not sure if you've read the log of the IRC Chat, but please do and give
us the name you would like to see.

Regards,
Tom.





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Tue May 14 10:23:46 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:23:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
In-Reply-To: <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> Sorry for my english, just give a better name and we'll change it.
> We're open for ideas..

Maybe "Print Material" would be sufficiently clear?

> > Then, I'd expect the logo to appear at the top rather than at the
> > bottom of the posters...
> 
> Well.... We've asked a week ago if people had _better_ ideas.
> Nobody replied. [...]

I'm sorry if it took a while for this tasklet to be swapped into my 
wetware... ;-)

> > And finally, all PDF files I've seen there have a "lousy" bitmap EPC
> > logo, wich means they are not suited for printing. [...]
> 
> We can only give what we have.
> Thanks, this is input we gladly except.

Well, if you want it to print ok it needs to be vectorised, unless you
want to blow it up to many Megabytes.

Dinu




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 14 10:32:41 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:32:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] forgot chat again..
Message-ID: <20020514093241.GA12637@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I keep forgetting the monday chat and I feel rather stupid about it right
now. We had a new freelancer in yesterday and this was rather distracting,
but perhaps mondays aren't the best day for me to chat on, since I keep
forgetting. Could we perhaps pick another day or another time (like
the evening)?

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 14 10:38:42 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:38:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Jython
In-Reply-To: <027101c1fb26$6185eb20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <027101c1fb26$6185eb20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020514093842.GA12650@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I'm not sure if you've read the log of the IRC Chat, but please do and give
> us the name you would like to see.

I feel really guilty about missing the IRC chat *again*, but thanks.
I'd prefer the Python Language track, as opposed to the Python Applications
track. The Python Language track includes stuff about its implementation,
which includes alternative implementations such as Jython.

Overall I think we should be extending the Python Applications track
a bit into the Python Language track, as we seem to have more talks about
Python Apps (and this is also of a wider interest).

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 10:54:28 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:54:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fees & Sponsoring Online
Message-ID: <02b701c1fb2d$56a68be0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

In case you didn't noticed yet, the official fees are online (online
registration will be ready soon! We need to address some some thingies
first)

Further, we have introduced one way which is still possible for your company
to sponsor the EuroPython2002 event.


Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 10:57:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:57:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Well, if you want it to print ok it needs to be vectorised, unless you
> want to blow it up to many Megabytes.

Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step forward
and help us to improve the postors.

Regards,
Tom




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 14 11:29:20 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:29:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > Well, if you want it to print ok it needs to be vectorised, unless you
> > want to blow it up to many Megabytes.
> 
> Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step forward
> and help us to improve the postors.

I do :-)

What are you trying to get into vectors? Where will it be used?

cheers,

Chris



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 11:41:38 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:41:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step
forward
> > and help us to improve the postors.
>
> I do :-)
>
> What are you trying to get into vectors? Where will it be used?

We would like to get the EuroPython2002 postors into vectors... And if
people have a better idea concerning the design, we would like to put those
into vectors...

Tom.




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 14 12:16:35 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:16:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CE0F213.708228AE@nipltd.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > > Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step
> forward
> > > and help us to improve the postors.
> >
> > I do :-)
> >
> > What are you trying to get into vectors? Where will it be used?
> 
> We would like to get the EuroPython2002 postors into vectors... And if
> people have a better idea concerning the design, we would like to put those
> into vectors...

Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and the sponsoring
company logos down at the bottom.

Who originated those?

cheers,

Chris



From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Tue May 14 12:31:26 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:31:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0F213.708228AE@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <033c01c1fb3a$e247b630$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and the
sponsoring
> company logos down at the bottom.

Well, I guess we've the EuroPython logo vectorised.
the company logo's are comming from the companies themself.

Tom.

> Who originated those?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 14 12:51:00 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:51:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0F213.708228AE@nipltd.com> <033c01c1fb3a$e247b630$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CE0FA24.BC2FFEC8@nipltd.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> > Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and the
> sponsoring
> > company logos down at the bottom.
> 
> Well, I guess we've the EuroPython logo vectorised.

If you have a vector-based EuroPython logo then how come a bitmap was included in the PDF?

cheers,

Chris



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 14 12:55:18 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:55:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
In-Reply-To: <033c01c1fb3a$e247b630$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141354120.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and
> the sponsoring > company logos down at the bottom.
> 
> Well, I guess we've the EuroPython logo vectorised. the company logo's
> are comming from the companies themself.

I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tiff be
enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ?

Who should I send it to ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From chrisw@nipltd.com  Tue May 14 13:08:09 2002
From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:08:09 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141354120.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CE0FE29.86E58563@nipltd.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> 
> I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tiff be
> enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ?

*blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge...

cheers,

Chris



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 14 13:12:31 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:12:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
In-Reply-To: <3CE0FE29.86E58563@nipltd.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141410380.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > 
> > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tiff be
> > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ?
> 
> *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge...

So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is that
someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know what
you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print nicely in
the documents.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Tue May 14 13:17:23 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:17:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141410380.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141410380.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <1021378643.3ce10053cd712@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:

> So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is that
> someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know
> what you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print 
> nicely in the documents.

Whoever got it into SVG is probably able to get it into the
posters as well...

  http://europython.zope.nl/gadgets/files/logo_a3.svg

Dinu



From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 14 13:47:04 2002
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:47:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141410380.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <014b01c1fb45$73070680$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>

From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>


> > Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > >
> > > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tif=
f
be
> > > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ?
> >
> > *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge...
>
> So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is that
> someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know wh=
at
> you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print nicely in
> the documents.
>

ehlo, sorry for stepping in in the middle of the discussion.

TIFF is good for printing (I think uncompressed TIFF is best, even). No
vectorising needed and really not very important for printing, as long as
the bitmaps have the necessary resolution and size.

IMPORTANT! Someone has to have info on what kind of resolution and format
the printing company wants for bitmaps. Is EPSF OK for vector format? Not=
e
that saving bitmaps to epsf does not vectorise them. You just get huge
epsfs... sometimes TIFF is better than epsf for bitmaps - but chek with t=
he
printing company.

Keep two different versions of the material, one for downloading and one =
for
materials-printing (the huge one :-)

/dario

- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K=E4sten, dario@ita.chalmers.se        IT Systems & Services
System Developer/System Administrator     Chalmers University of Tech.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 13:56:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:56:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141410380.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <014b01c1fb45$73070680$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <03fa01c1fb46$b834e000$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Euhm, there is _no_ printing company.

The posters are just downloadable at the website for whoever wants to pri=
nt
them out and hang them on a wall...
Several people would hang the posters on places as advertisements concern=
ing
EuroPython.
This means that the posters are printed on a printer at peoples home/comp=
any

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dario Lopez-K=E4sten" <dario@ita.chalmers.se>
To: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>; <europython@python.or=
g>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?


> From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
>
>
> > > Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge t=
iff
> be
> > > > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ?
> > >
> > > *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge...
> >
> > So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is th=
at
> > someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know
what
> > you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print nicely =
in
> > the documents.
> >
>
> ehlo, sorry for stepping in in the middle of the discussion.
>
> TIFF is good for printing (I think uncompressed TIFF is best, even). No
> vectorising needed and really not very important for printing, as long =
as
> the bitmaps have the necessary resolution and size.
>
> IMPORTANT! Someone has to have info on what kind of resolution and form=
at
> the printing company wants for bitmaps. Is EPSF OK for vector format? N=
ote
> that saving bitmaps to epsf does not vectorise them. You just get huge
> epsfs... sometimes TIFF is better than epsf for bitmaps - but chek with
the
> printing company.
>
> Keep two different versions of the material, one for downloading and on=
e
for
> materials-printing (the huge one :-)
>
> /dario
>
> - --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Lopez-K=E4sten, dario@ita.chalmers.se        IT Systems & Service=
s
> System Developer/System Administrator     Chalmers University of Tech.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 14 14:18:05 2002
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:18:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205141410380.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <014b01c1fb45$73070680$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> <03fa01c1fb46$b834e000$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <015c01c1fb49$c8d8a470$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>

From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>


> Euhm, there is _no_ printing company.
> 

oh... right. Didn't get that part :-)

Cheers,

/dario






From mvm@brutele.be  Tue May 14 16:07:01 2002
From: mvm@brutele.be (Vincent)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:07:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [EuroPython]: Print Material
Message-ID: <001601c1fb59$009f1010$bbff44d4@gfx1>

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Check the new ".PDF" here :

http://europython.zope.nl/gadgets/files/new_poster_a4.pdf

See you soon,
Vincent Maton.

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 21:25:45 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:25:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Information concerning Booth rents are now available!
Message-ID: <111901c1fb85$c0d98eb0$598d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

The information concerning booth rents during the EuroPython event is online
now.
If you're interested in hiring a booth, have a look at the page and let us
know what you think.
There are two possibilities : http://www.europython.org/exhibitors

While you're at our site, have also look at the Sponsorship page, which
shows a way for your company to sponsor this event and the possible
forthcomming events during the next years:
http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring

Thanks,
Tom.





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 14 21:29:18 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:29:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Information concerning Booth rents are now available!
In-Reply-To: <111901c1fb85$c0d98eb0$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205142227320.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> The information concerning booth rents during the EuroPython event is
> online now. If you're interested in hiring a booth, have a look at the
> page and let us know what you think. There are two possibilities :
> http://www.europython.org/exhibitors

Nice. BTW, where is the info concerning bank transfer ? I quickly search
the site and the zope instance thru the manage interface but couldn't find
the page about IBAN/SWIFT numbers that got mentionned yesterday on IRC.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 14 22:03:55 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 23:03:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Information concerning Booth rents are now available!
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205142227320.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <116301c1fb8b$d875cfb0$598d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ah, yes,

Well, I've put them on the online register page.
Since you need to fill in a form for a booth, and you receive an invoice
after filling it in, I didn't thought it was needed,
but I'll add it.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Information concerning Booth rents are now
available!


> The information concerning booth rents during the EuroPython event is
> online now. If you're interested in hiring a booth, have a look at the
> page and let us know what you think. There are two possibilities :
> http://www.europython.org/exhibitors

Nice. BTW, where is the info concerning bank transfer ? I quickly search
the site and the zope instance thru the manage interface but couldn't find
the page about IBAN/SWIFT numbers that got mentionned yesterday on IRC.

--
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris
(France)







From gotcha@swing.be  Wed May 15 08:08:59 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:08:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students
In-Reply-To: <20020514035407.F6688@carolo.net>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be>
 <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be>

At 03:54 14/05/2002, Denis Fr=E8re wrote:

>Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> >
> > Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would
> > propose 150 euros.
> >
> > This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit=20
> cards or
> > (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of=
=20
> them
> > showing on site with cash.
>
>+1
>
>Denis

Do I need more approval about the student onsite fee...  or do I add it=20
directly to the web page ?

Thanks to give your opinion.
--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From denis@aragne.com  Wed May 15 10:16:10 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:16:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020515111610.M14255@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:08:59AM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> >> Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would
> >> propose 150 euros.
> >
> >+1
> 
> Do I need more approval about the student onsite fee...  or do I add it 
> directly to the web page ?

Do it ! :-)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Wed May 15 10:13:31 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:13:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] ShareIT
Message-ID: <20020515111331.L14255@carolo.net>

I tried twice to take a ShareIT account.

The first time, I waited for some days, then I wrote a mail and got an
answer : "We can't find your subscription, do it again".

So I filled again the 5 pages form and I'm still waiting for an answer.

I guess they don't use Python. :-(

Denis


-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Wed May 15 10:39:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:39:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <00f001c1fbf4$61a85ba0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

150 euro is already a lot more for students and sometimes they can't deci=
de
quickly if they are able to come.
I would propose 125 EUR  (or just leave it 100 for studetns?)

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>
To: "Denis Fr=E8re" <denis@aragne.com>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students


> At 03:54 14/05/2002, Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
>
> >Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> > >
> > > Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I wou=
ld
> > > propose 150 euros.
> > >
> > > This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit
> > cards or
> > > (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many=
 of
> > them
> > > showing on site with cash.
> >
> >+1
> >
> >Denis
>
> Do I need more approval about the student onsite fee...  or do I add it
> directly to the web page ?
>
> Thanks to give your opinion.
> --
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 15 11:21:21 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:21:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: ShareIT
References: <20020515111331.L14255@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3CE236A1.6010002@lemburg.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
> I tried twice to take a ShareIT account.
>=20
> The first time, I waited for some days, then I wrote a mail and got an
> answer : "We can't find your subscription, do it again".
>=20
> So I filled again the 5 pages form and I'm still waiting for an answer.

Could you send me some information about the registration so
that I can phone them up ? E.g. the compnay name which you used in the
registration.

Thanks,
--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 15 13:23:00 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:23:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students
References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <20020514035407.F6688@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3CE25324.1050808@lemburg.com>


Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
> Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
>=20
>>Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would=20
>>propose 150 euros.
>>
>>This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit card=
s or=20
>>(swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of =
them=20
>>showing on site with cash.
>=20
>=20
> +1

+1


I've updated the fee page accordingly.

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 15 13:51:19 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:51:19 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] talks
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151450080.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hi,

I'd like the talks I added via europython.org/Talks to start showing up on
the website. What should I do ? If some zpt writing is needed I will take
care of it.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 15 14:03:40 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:03:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] talks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151450080.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CE25CAC.1030802@lemburg.com>

Please do whatever is necessary to display the track information
under /sessions/talks.

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'd like the talks I added via europython.org/Talks to start showing up on
> the website. What should I do ? If some zpt writing is needed I will take
> care of it.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 15 14:07:09 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:07:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] talks
In-Reply-To: <3CE25CAC.1030802@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Please do whatever is necessary to display the track information
> under /sessions/talks.

Sure, that's what I intend doing. If the person who made the Talks product
could give me an insight on its working, that would save me time...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Wed May 15 14:38:49 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:38:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Jython
Message-ID: <00a001c1fc15$d8a21c20$6d94fea9@newmexico>

M.-A. Lemburg mal@lemburg.com 
Fri, 10 May 2002 23:26:34 +0200 
>Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> 
>> Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing
>> how this makes sense. 
>
>Is Finn Bock coming to the conference ? If not, please invite
>him ! 
>
>I really do think that we should give more focus
>to Jython -- it's the perfect entry point for Java programmers
>and businesses which (for some reason) are bound to the Java
>model.

Someone already pointed it out: Finn will be there
and will give a talk on the progress of Jython 2.2,
I will be there too.

Honestly I don't think that EuroPython with 1 
vs. 2 Jython talks will attract a lot of Java shops.

The Jython books target Java programmers,
or talks on scripting/Jython at Java venues (btw
jython users have given such talks).

regards.




From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 15 15:10:03 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:10:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] talks
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <5960000.1021471803@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi Nicolas,


did you look at the zpt's in the Talks-folder ? If you take "view" as an=20
example how to create your own view. If you have any questions please ask


--On Mittwoch, Mai 15, 2002 15:07:09 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20
<Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:

>> Please do whatever is necessary to display the track information
>> under /sessions/talks.
>
> Sure, that's what I intend doing. If the person who made the Talks =
product
> could give me an insight on its working, that would save me time...
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris
> (France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 15 16:58:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:58:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] forgot chat again..
References: <20020514093241.GA12637@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE2858E.1020207@lemburg.com>


Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I keep forgetting the monday chat and I feel rather stupid about it right
> now. We had a new freelancer in yesterday and this was rather distracting,
> but perhaps mondays aren't the best day for me to chat on, since I keep
> forgetting. Could we perhaps pick another day or another time (like
> the evening)?

No.

It has worked fine for everybody so far. Why don't you get yourself
one of these nice little beeping PDAs with Python on it ;-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 15 17:19:30 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:19:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] talks
In-Reply-To: <5960000.1021471803@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151818570.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Hi Nicolas,
> 
> did you look at the zpt's in the Talks-folder ? If you take "view" as an 
> example how to create your own view. If you have any questions please ask

Good, I'll do that.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 15 18:52:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 19:52:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] talks
Message-ID: <02f501c1fc39$36b56ec0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Ok,

I've been called away a few times, therefor some delay and I'll promise I'll
finish it this night, but now I first have to prepare something else.
For now, you'll have to do with the no-yet-official-released-page
http://www.europython.org/sessions/talks
As told, I'll finish this up soon.
If I received all test results from the registration page and received
solutions of the few existing problems and the missing parts, then I first
finish the registration page, and the above has to wait a little bit.

Regards,
Rom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:24 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] talks


> Hi Nicolas,
>
> > > did you look at the zpt's in the Talks-folder ? If you take "view" as
an
> example how to create your own view. If you have any questions please ask
> > Good, I'll do that.
>
> Creation of this is planned on this week. (See summary mail and my request
> if people want to have directly)
>
> I'm working on it now. (Just read your mail)
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 10:46:14 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:46:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] apologies
Message-ID: <20020516094614.GA18007@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I've been dropping the ball on some EuroPython organizational stuff 
recently, and I just wanted to publically apologize for this. 
(insert real life busy excuses here)

I'll better my life.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 10:54:30 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:54:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
Message-ID: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case 
we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and
reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks
from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet;
if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the
info we have is correct.

(I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial 
track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be
renamed to PythonLanguage by the way).

See:

http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 10:58:17 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:58:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list
In-Reply-To: <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020516095817.GD18007@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I've asked if people knew of other _well-known_ guest people, some time ago
> on this list. Therefor, let me know if there are other people as well!

I'd also add Christian Tismer, except that he hasn't confirmed entirely
yet in that he hasn't submitted an abstract. I'll mail him again.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 11:02:49 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:02:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: view on talks
In-Reply-To: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020516100249.GA18184@vet.uu.nl>

[snip silly worries]

Hi there,

I just realized the 'status' field is of course to determine what
parts of the view should be public. So forget the previous note. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 11:02:36 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:02:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE383BC.80208@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case 
> we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and
> reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks
> from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet;
> if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the
> info we have is correct.
> 
> (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial 
> track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be
> renamed to PythonLanguage by the way).
> 
> See:
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view

We're working on this.

For now, please maintain the correct list of talks and details
about the speakers on the wiki page. These pages are the
reference we use, not the talks database which is there just
to make querying things easier for visitors.

We'll then give note when it's time to copy the data into the
Talks database.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Thu May 16 11:05:33 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:05:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:54 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks


> Hi there,
>
> Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case
> we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and
> reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks
> from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet;
> if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the
> info we have is correct.

I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now.
www.europython.org/sessions/talks

(I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted it
already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) )

It's not made public, yet!

> (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial
> track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be
> renamed to PythonLanguage by the way).

Forget about that name in the database, we leave it like that. We change the
string of it in the view (see combo boxes)

> See:
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 11:14:08 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:14:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] added the Python Apps talks
Message-ID: <20020516101408.GA18201@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I've just added the Python Applications talks to the talk database:

http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/

Regards,

Martijn




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 11:16:25 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:16:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
Message-ID: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com>

After some private discussion among the most active people
on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive
Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling
and making sure that things move in the right direction.

Since all of us are in this on a voluntary basis, we chose
to form a three member committee which will play the role of
decision maker and external contact for the conference.

The three members are:
* Denis Frere
* Tom Deprez
* Marc-Andre Lemburg

This team is reachable via the central email address
europython@p3b.org

Hopefully this step will help make the conference a success.
We should have taken this step much earlier in the process,
but then you always know better in the end...

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 11:21:59 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:21:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
> To: <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:54 AM
> Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi there,
>>
>>Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case
>>we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and
>>reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks
>>from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet;
>>if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the
>>info we have is correct.
> 
> 
> I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now.
> www.europython.org/sessions/talks
> 
> (I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted it
> already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) )

Please only use this database as service, not as method for storing
vital data !

The wiki track pages should be maintained and updated
to reflect the current truth and the data copied into the track database
only after the dust has settled on the track organization.

> It's not made public, yet!

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From js@aixtraware.de  Thu May 16 11:22:56 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:22:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <55980000.1021544576@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

--On Donnerstag, Mai 16, 2002 11:54:30 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20
<faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case
> we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and
> reasonably complete before we do that.
> I asked Shae to transfer the talks
> from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet;
> if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the
> info we have is correct.

We don't have to worry about that, since everything is stored in the ZODB,=20
its easely extendable.
>
> (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial
> track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be
> renamed to PythonLanguage by the way).


It is very easy to do, just go to the editview of that task and change the=20
trackname. and push change. The name in the dropdown box are now the=20
offical ones. The keys in the database remain the same.



>
> See:
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 11:36:33 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:36:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com>
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020516103633.GA18445@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now.
> >www.europython.org/sessions/talks

> >(I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted 
> >it
> >already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) )

Ooh, pretty nice. :)

> Please only use this database as service, not as method for storing
> vital data!
> 
> The wiki track pages should be maintained and updated
> to reflect the current truth and the data copied into the track database
> only after the dust has settled on the track organization.

The database is pretty convenient to assign time blocks to talks and so on
eventually, so is the plan to make the track database the 'true' version
eventually, instead of the wiki?

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 11:43:34 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:43:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
In-Reply-To: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com>
References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> After some private discussion among the most active people
> on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive
> Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling
> and making sure that things move in the right direction.

As the person who initially kicked off the ball 
I'd like to say I support the managers. They were definitely
better at keeping it rolling than I was recently.

Regards,

Martijn




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 12:19:10 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:19:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE395AE.30100@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>After some private discussion among the most active people
>>on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive
>>Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling
>>and making sure that things move in the right direction.
> 
> 
> As the person who initially kicked off the ball 
> I'd like to say I support the managers. They were definitely
> better at keeping it rolling than I was recently.

Thank you for your backup, Martijn.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 16 12:21:55 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:21:55 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <3CE383BC.80208@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161320260.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> We'll then give note when it's time to copy the data into the
> Talks database.

Too late for me and the PythonInScienceAndIndustry track, the Talks
database is already up to date, but the wiki page is not any more.

The wiki has become such a mess I barely use it any more and I'm afraid 
I don't have much time to clean it myself :-/

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 12:23:50 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:23:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com> <20020516103633.GA18445@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE396C6.3000600@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>>I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now.
>>>www.europython.org/sessions/talks
>>
> 
>>>(I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted 
>>>it
>>>already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) )
>>
> 
> Ooh, pretty nice. :)

Indeed.

>>Please only use this database as service, not as method for storing
>>vital data!
>>
>>The wiki track pages should be maintained and updated
>>to reflect the current truth and the data copied into the track database
>>only after the dust has settled on the track organization.
> 
> 
> The database is pretty convenient to assign time blocks to talks and so on
> eventually, so is the plan to make the track database the 'true' version
> eventually, instead of the wiki?

I think that editing the wiki is much easier than updating
the data in that database.

The data will eventually have to end up there as well,
but for managing the conference, we need only one
official place to look at.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 12:27:28 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:27:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Visitors view of Talk database
Message-ID: <022a01c1fccc$a944f080$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

Ok, I wrapped some things up (still things to do like limiting the amount of
seen talks, etc),
but www.europython.org/sessions/talks shows now only the talks with status
'accepted'.
You can filter then on day and track in any combination.

If it's ok for everybody, let me know and I'll activate it.

Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 12:36:07 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:36:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161320260.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>We'll then give note when it's time to copy the data into the
>>Talks database.
> 
> 
> Too late for me and the PythonInScienceAndIndustry track, the Talks
> database is already up to date, but the wiki page is not any more.
> 
> The wiki has become such a mess I barely use it any more and I'm afraid 
> I don't have much time to clean it myself :-/

Please, everybody, do update the wiki pages for your tracks.

We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff,
so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the
PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text
based wiki approach.

Note that the wiki can also contain other meta-information which
is not meant for the general public to see, e.g. status
information.

I do like the database, but the wiki's just much easier to
find and maintain.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Thu May 16 12:32:58 2002
From: pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:32:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
Message-ID: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>

I'm forwarding this for rendundancy, in case
life traps someone again (me, or Martjin)

regards.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Samuele Pedroni <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch>
To: Martijn Faassen <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: talk about Jython?


> 
> From: Martijn Faassen <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
> > Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> > > Honestly I don't know how many Jython  users will be present,
> > > anyway the talk about the future of Jython by Finn and the
> > > fact that we will be both physically present should more or less
> > > cover their needs.
> > 
> > I mailed you because the organizers of the conference would *like*
> > more of a focus on Jython. This because there is also a business track
> > and business people may be very interested in Python/Java integration.
> > 
> 
> What we/I can do is mail jython-users and ask whether someone
> will be present at EuroPython and want to give a kind of
> ("Executive") summary on Jython/their experience on Jython.
> And that they should contact you.
> 




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 13:02:32 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:02:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com>

Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> [possibility to ask jython-users for talks]

Thanks. I think it's a good idea to ask people on jython-users
for this.

What I personally would be very interested in is experience
(and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython
to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published
through J2EE, etc.

My point of view here is that Jython would be an ideal
vehicule to bridge between the Python world and the
Java world (and not so much focus on Jython as scripting
tool for Java programmers).

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From andy@reportlab.com  Thu May 16 13:05:27 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:05:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEMCCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff,
> so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the
> PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text
> based wiki approach.

I have been totally out of the loop this week, but
last week I spoke to Joachim and Tom and we agreed
ReportLab would pull data from the Zope site and/or
from any databases they have behind it. 

Joachim has demonstrated an xml-rpc database connection
for getting at the Zope data. I would strongly prefer
to get the data from Zope.  We need structured input
and the Wiki definitely is not that.  

As a track organiser who's got catching up to do,
I really prefer to put my data into Zope.  As soon
as I have done it I will slim down tyhe track Wiki
page to say 'talks X/Y/X accepted; look in Zope;
any new suggestions or comments can go here."

Thanks,

Andy




From andy@reportlab.com  Thu May 16 13:07:27 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:07:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
In-Reply-To: <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEMDCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

> What I personally would be very interested in is experience
> (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython
> to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published
> through J2EE, etc.
> 
> My point of view here is that Jython would be an ideal
> vehicule to bridge between the Python world and the
> Java world (and not so much focus on Jython as scripting
> tool for Java programmers).

The tutorial track is currently thin and if Python Language
is getting busy (or even if not),  how about a short talk
on one of these topics?  I would really like to see this
done with a "teach how to do it" focus rather than "we're
all Jython-heads, lets' dive into details" and that was my
vision for the Tutorial track.

- Andy  



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 13:12:17 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:12:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161320260.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <029d01c1fcd2$ec162310$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Please, everybody, do update the wiki pages for your tracks.
>
> We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff,
> so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the
> PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text
> based wiki approach.

Andy already has a connection to the track database, so I think there is no
problem at all with using the track database.
That's why it is set up.

Regards,
Tom.




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Thu May 16 13:31:47 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:31:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>

From: M.-A. Lemburg <mal@lemburg.com>

> Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> > [possibility to ask jython-users for talks]
> 
> Thanks. I think it's a good idea to ask people on jython-users
> for this.
> 
> What I personally would be very interested in is experience
> (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython
> to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published
> through J2EE, etc.
> 

Should I just send something, or do you (the organizers)
want to come up with something more focused
on what you would like to have.

regards.




From guido@python.org  Thu May 16 13:45:06 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:06 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled?
Message-ID: <200205161245.g4GCj6Y31707@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>

Because of the busy traffic I've removed myself from the EuroPython
list again (I think you guys are on the right track).  But I have a
pressing question.  When's my keynote scheduled?

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 13:55:24 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:55:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEMCCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com>

Andy Robinson wrote:
>>We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff,
>>so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the
>>PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text
>>based wiki approach.
> 
> 
> I have been totally out of the loop this week, but
> last week I spoke to Joachim and Tom and we agreed
> ReportLab would pull data from the Zope site and/or
> from any databases they have behind it. 
> 
> Joachim has demonstrated an xml-rpc database connection
> for getting at the Zope data. I would strongly prefer
> to get the data from Zope.  We need structured input
> and the Wiki definitely is not that.  
> 
> As a track organiser who's got catching up to do,
> I really prefer to put my data into Zope.  As soon
> as I have done it I will slim down tyhe track Wiki
> page to say 'talks X/Y/X accepted; look in Zope;
> any new suggestions or comments can go here."

Fine. In that case let's go for the solution which
Andy describes here.

Please post a description of the steps it takes to
move data into the Zope database either on the wiki
or here.

And to all track champions: after you have moved the
data, please update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e.
add the direct reference to the talk database to the
wiki page).

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 16 13:58:29 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:58:29 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161457010.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Please post a description of the steps it takes to move data into the
> Zope database either on the wiki or here.

Get to http://www.europython.org/Talks and click "Add a Talk"

Describe your talk. Click "Add".

Repeat.

Go to htpp://www.europython.org/sessions/talks to check your talks are
there.

> And to all track champions: after you have moved the data, please
> update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. add the direct reference to
> the talk database to the wiki page).

I used my personnal time machine for that. It was there before you asked
for it :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 14:02:26 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:02:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled?
References: <200205161245.g4GCj6Y31707@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <030601c1fcd9$ed6ed110$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Guido,

We've decided that it would be nice to have you on day 1. This means the
26th of June 16:15-17:00. Is this ok for you?
More info soon.

Thanks for reminding us to notify you.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Guido van Rossum" <guido@python.org>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:45 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled?


> Because of the busy traffic I've removed myself from the EuroPython
> list again (I think you guys are on the right track).  But I have a
> pressing question.  When's my keynote scheduled?
>
> --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 14:05:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:05:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161457010.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CE3AE82.6040002@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>Please post a description of the steps it takes to move data into the
>>Zope database either on the wiki or here.
> 
> 
> Get to http://www.europython.org/Talks and click "Add a Talk"
> 
> Describe your talk. Click "Add".
> 
> Repeat.
> 
> Go to htpp://www.europython.org/sessions/talks to check your talks are
> there.


Thank you.

> 
>>And to all track champions: after you have moved the data, please
>>update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. add the direct reference to
>>the talk database to the wiki page).
> 
> 
> I used my personnal time machine for that. It was there before you asked
> for it :-)

Figures ;-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Thu May 16 14:08:43 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:08:43 +0200
Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?)
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico>

Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users:
(btw is the PS true???)

Next month (26-28) there will be the first
European Python and Zope Conference
in Charleroi (Belgium)

www.europython.org

both Finn and me will be present.
Finn will give a talk about the work/design
toward Jython 2.2.

If you would like to give a talk/tutorial, the organizers
would be pleased to hear from you. Nice/possible
topics could be real life examples about:
- accessing or writing EJBs in Jython
- J2EE development with Jython
- interprocess comunication between
  Python and Jython programs ("Jython talking to Python")

Please don't reply here, you can concact the organizers
at europython@python.org

regards, Samuele Pedroni.

PS:  people giving a talk don't have to pay the conference
fee 





From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 14:19:32 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:19:32 +0200
Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talk
 about Jython?)
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <3CE3B1E4.6040203@lemburg.com>

Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users:
> (btw is the PS true???)

It is :-)

Sounds great. Please go ahead and post it.

> Next month (26-28) there will be the first
> European Python and Zope Conference
> in Charleroi (Belgium)
> 
> www.europython.org
> 
> both Finn and me will be present.
> Finn will give a talk about the work/design
> toward Jython 2.2.
> 
> If you would like to give a talk/tutorial, the organizers
> would be pleased to hear from you. Nice/possible
> topics could be real life examples about:
> - accessing or writing EJBs in Jython
> - J2EE development with Jython
> - interprocess comunication between
>   Python and Jython programs ("Jython talking to Python")
> 
> Please don't reply here, you can concact the organizers
> at europython@python.org
> 
> regards, Samuele Pedroni.
> 
> PS:  people giving a talk don't have to pay the conference
> fee 
> 


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Thu May 16 14:30:45 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:30:45 +0200
Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talkabout Jython?)
Message-ID: <01e301c1fcdd$e27d02a0$6d94fea9@newmexico>

> > Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users:
> > (btw is the PS true???)
> 
> It is :-)
> 
>  Sounds great. Please go ahead and post it.
> 

Done.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 14:51:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:51:15 +0200
Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?)
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <03cb01c1fce0$bf5ef5f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users:
> (btw is the PS true???)

Sounds good.

The PS is true. However this doesn't counts on the lightning talks!!! We
can't give people who have a 10 min talk at the last day (lightning talks,
BOFs),   give a free entry. It's impossible to have this at the moment.

> Next month (26-28) there will be the first
> European Python and Zope Conference
> in Charleroi (Belgium)
>
> www.europython.org
>
> both Finn and me will be present.
> Finn will give a talk about the work/design
> toward Jython 2.2.
>
> If you would like to give a talk/tutorial, the organizers
> would be pleased to hear from you. Nice/possible
> topics could be real life examples about:
> - accessing or writing EJBs in Jython
> - J2EE development with Jython
> - interprocess comunication between
>   Python and Jython programs ("Jython talking to Python")
>
> Please don't reply here, you can concact the organizers
> at europython@python.org
>
> regards, Samuele Pedroni.


> PS:  people giving a talk don't have to pay the conference
> fee
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Thu May 16 14:53:57 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:53:57 +0200
Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?)
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> <03cb01c1fce0$bf5ef5f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <023701c1fce1$205706e0$6d94fea9@newmexico>

> The PS is true. However this doesn't counts on the lightning talks!!! We
> can't give people who have a 10 min talk at the last day (lightning talks,
> BOFs),   give a free entry. It's impossible to have this at the moment.

Never tought that, and I don't expect anybody in their right mind
to expect that.

The PS was part of the message I just sent, 
if you hink it is important I can send
the fine points too.

regards.






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 15:07:29 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 16:07:29 +0200
Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?)
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> <03cb01c1fce0$bf5ef5f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <023701c1fce1$205706e0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <043f01c1fce3$03bc1c80$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > The PS is true. However this doesn't counts on the lightning talks!!! We
> > can't give people who have a 10 min talk at the last day (lightning
talks,
> > BOFs),   give a free entry. It's impossible to have this at the moment.
>
> Never tought that, and I don't expect anybody in their right mind
> to expect that.
>
> The PS was part of the message I just sent,  if you hink it is important I
can send
> the fine points too.

Well, I guess that every reasonable person will know this by him/herself.
So I don't think it's needed to resend the message. However, if you think
you've
unreasonable people in the Jython community :-) , go ahead and fine-tune it

Regards,
Tom.




From guido@python.org  Thu May 16 15:51:04 2002
From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:51:04 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled?
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 2002 15:02:26 +0200."
 <030601c1fcd9$ed6ed110$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <200205161245.g4GCj6Y31707@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net>
 <030601c1fcd9$ed6ed110$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <200205161451.g4GEp4R02310@odiug.zope.com>

> We've decided that it would be nice to have you on day 1. This means the
> 26th of June 16:15-17:00. Is this ok for you?

Perfect.  Thanks!

--Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 18:16:15 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:16:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
In-Reply-To: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <20020516171615.GB19228@vet.uu.nl>

Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> I'm forwarding this for rendundancy, in case
> life traps someone again (me, or Martjin)
> 
> > What we/I can do is mail jython-users and ask whether someone
> > will be present at EuroPython and want to give a kind of
> > ("Executive") summary on Jython/their experience on Jython.
> > And that they should contact you.

Thanks!

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 18:18:04 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:18:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEMCCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
References: <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com> <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEMCCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <20020516171804.GC19228@vet.uu.nl>

Andy Robinson wrote:
[snip]
> As a track organiser who's got catching up to do,
> I really prefer to put my data into Zope.  As soon
> as I have done it I will slim down tyhe track Wiki
> page to say 'talks X/Y/X accepted; look in Zope;
> any new suggestions or comments can go here."

As another talk organizer I agree with this idea. The 
database actually does have a status field and such, and it's
much easier to maintain than a wiki page.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 18:20:12 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:20:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
In-Reply-To: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEMDCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
References: <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAAEMDCHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <20020516172012.GD19228@vet.uu.nl>

Andy Robinson wrote:
> > What I personally would be very interested in is experience
> > (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython
> > to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published
> > through J2EE, etc.
> > 
> > My point of view here is that Jython would be an ideal
> > vehicule to bridge between the Python world and the
> > Java world (and not so much focus on Jython as scripting
> > tool for Java programmers).
> 
> The tutorial track is currently thin and if Python Language
> is getting busy (or even if not),  how about a short talk
> on one of these topics?

Python *Language* currently suffers from a lack of talks; there's not 
enough, so please don't draw anything from that into the tutorial track,
or at least let's try to coordinate this. :)

> I would really like to see this
> done with a "teach how to do it" focus rather than "we're
> all Jython-heads, lets' dive into details" and that was my
> vision for the Tutorial track.

I think the Python Language track can have some less high level talks if
they pop up, but I don't want to compete with the tutorial track
either.  

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 18:22:49 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:22:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?
In-Reply-To: <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <20020516172249.GE19228@vet.uu.nl>

Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> From: M.-A. Lemburg <mal@lemburg.com>
> 
> > Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> > > [possibility to ask jython-users for talks]
> > 
> > Thanks. I think it's a good idea to ask people on jython-users
> > for this.
> > 
> > What I personally would be very interested in is experience
> > (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython
> > to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published
> > through J2EE, etc.
> 
> Should I just send something, or do you (the organizers)
> want to come up with something more focused
> on what you would like to have.

For the Python Language track it should somehow complement the 
talk Finn is giving, perhaps more of an introduction to Jython.
It's difficult though. The hooking up Jython to J2EE could also be
a Python Apps talk, though it's sort of in between.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 16 18:29:01 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:29:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
In-Reply-To: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com>
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEMCCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020516172901.GF19228@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> And to all track champions: after you have moved the
> data, please update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e.
> add the direct reference to the talk database to the
> wiki page).

Okay, I did that for the Python Language and Python Applications track.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 18:33:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:33:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<<
Message-ID: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

You were all waiting for it!
Here it is!
You can now register your tickets online! Have a visit to www.europython.org
and let us know that you all are willing to come to europython!

Regards,
Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 16 18:33:17 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:33:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks
References: <LKENLBBMDHMKBECHIAIAIEMCCHAA.andy@reportlab.com> <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com> <20020516172901.GF19228@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE3ED5D.6020603@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>And to all track champions: after you have moved the
>>data, please update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e.
>>add the direct reference to the talk database to the
>>wiki page).
> 
> 
> Okay, I did that for the Python Language and Python Applications track.

Great.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 18:41:31 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:41:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Approved Talks online
Message-ID: <06bb01c1fd00$ea225370$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi all,

The talks which are approved are now visible from the site (ie page is
activated)

Regards, Tom.




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 16 18:43:01 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:43:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<<
In-Reply-To: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161939130.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> You were all waiting for it! Here it is! You can now register your
> tickets online! Have a visit to www.europython.org and let us know
> that you all are willing to come to europython!

What is the difference between secure and non-secure payment (the answer
is less obvious than it may sound ;-) ? Why are we providing both ?

Is it on purpose that anyone can edit non-secure registrations ?

Just trying to test and help :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 16 18:49:38 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:49:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<<
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205161939130.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <06c901c1fd02$0ca052c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Nicolas,

Some people can't get over secure line (https), so they've an alternative.
I could remove the non-secure link from the home page and only show it up=
 at
the registration page

Regards;
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<<


> > You were all waiting for it! Here it is! You can now register your
> > tickets online! Have a visit to www.europython.org and let us know
> > that you all are willing to come to europython!
>
> What is the difference between secure and non-secure payment (the answe=
r
> is less obvious than it may sound ;-) ? Why are we providing both ?
>
> Is it on purpose that anyone can edit non-secure registrations ?
>
> Just trying to test and help :-)
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org  Thu May 16 21:24:11 2002
From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:24:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
In-Reply-To: <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl>
References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <E178RnI-0000wb-00@bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net>

Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 12:43, Martijn Faassen a =E9crit :
> > After some private discussion among the most active people
> > on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive
> > Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling
> > and making sure that things move in the right direction.
>

I can only support Martijn assertion and add:

As one of the person who was initially active and acted to have the ball =
to=20
get a first momentum, I want to thank the Managers and I would like to sa=
y I=20
support this initiative. I will try to bring some energy back as soon as =
I=20
can.

Thanks again for the good work=20

Thanks to all the other who help too.

Nicolas
--=20
Nicolas Pettiaux
Avenue du P=E9rou 29
B-1000 Brussels



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 00:54:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 01:54:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Modifications on web
Message-ID: <01bb01c1fd35$0d785b10$c68c84d5@skullsplitter>

I modified some things on the web, let me know if you have some problems.

Regards,
Tom.





From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 17 02:08:54 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 03:08:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<<
In-Reply-To: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020517030854.C7754@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:33:46PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> Hi,
> 
> You were all waiting for it!
> Here it is!
> You can now register your tickets online! Have a visit to
> http://www.europython.org
> and let us know that you all are willing to come to europython!

Thanks to Tom and Joachim who made a very good work !

We already had subcriptions after a few minutes ...
There are 347 places left, that's about the same number of people
subscribed to the EuroZope mailing-list and we're 134 on this
list : don't wait before acting (a 4000 addresses mailing will be
sent next week in Belgium).

I would prefer to see _you_ in Charleroi than 'non community members'.

Rem: the exhibitors page is also online.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 02:27:42 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 03:27:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] >>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<
References: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020517030854.C7754@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <023401c1fd42$0b386a40$c68c84d5@skullsplitter>

We forgot to mention that several payment methods are possible.

>From SWIFT transfert to creditcard.

Fill in the form with your personal data and when this is ok, choose the
payment method you want.

Best Regards,

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denis Frère" <denis@aragne.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:08 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<<


> Le Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:33:46PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > Hi,
> >
> > You were all waiting for it!
> > Here it is!
> > You can now register your tickets online! Have a visit to
> > http://www.europython.org
> > and let us know that you all are willing to come to europython!
>
> Thanks to Tom and Joachim who made a very good work !
>
> We already had subcriptions after a few minutes ...
> There are 347 places left, that's about the same number of people
> subscribed to the EuroZope mailing-list and we're 134 on this
> list : don't wait before acting (a 4000 addresses mailing will be
> sent next week in Belgium).
>
> I would prefer to see _you_ in Charleroi than 'non community members'.
>
> Rem: the exhibitors page is also online.
>
> Denis
>
> --
> Denis FRERE
> P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
> OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org
> Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri May 17 07:47:38 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:47:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration, fees, speakers
Message-ID: <1021618058.3ce4a78a9baa2@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

just looked deeper into the registration pages. I vaguely remember 
a statement like "speakers don't have to pay", but I don't see such 
an option on these pages. Or is it more like "speaker will be reim-
bursed"?

Also, if people chose the SWIFT payment option, do they get a con-
firmation by email or so when the money was received?

Regards,

Dinu



From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 17 08:21:24 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:21:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
In-Reply-To: <5960000.1021471803@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be>

Hi both,

I was very pleased to be able to pay my subscription to EuroPython...


I have one remark and proposal :

-At the end of the confirmation page, it is told that you should print the 
confirmation page which will be needed at the entry.
This should be stated in red or bold at the begin of the page... I am 
afraid there are already people which did not print it.

-It would be very nice to have a place where we can see how many people 
have already registered if it is possible.


Thanks
--

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TVA 467 093 008
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From dario@ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 17 08:57:32 2002
From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:57:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <002f01c1fd78$80ccc1d0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se>

From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
> After some private discussion among the most active people
> on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive
> Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling
> and making sure that things move in the right direction.
>

Hello!

I think this is an excellent decision and certainly a step in
the right direction. It adds a well needed stability to the
EuroPython efforts.

Sincerely,

/dario

- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-Kästen, dario@ita.chalmers.se        IT Systems & Services
System Developer/System Administrator     Chalmers University of Tech.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 09:43:58 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:43:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration, fees, speakers
References: <1021618058.3ce4a78a9baa2@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <00af01c1fd7e$fc4520e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hi,
>
> just looked deeper into the registration pages. I vaguely remember
> a statement like "speakers don't have to pay", but I don't see such
> an option on these pages. Or is it more like "speaker will be reim-
> bursed"?

Speakers don't have to register themself yet. We'll insert them in the
database
or let you entere it in somewhere else

> Also, if people chose the SWIFT payment option, do they get a con-
> firmation by email or so when the money was received?

As explained on the website, they will receive a notification. If they
don't,
they must contact sales@p3b.org .

Regards,
Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 09:46:52 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:46:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl> <E178RnI-0000wb-00@bigglesworth.mail.be.easynet.net>
Message-ID: <3CE4C37C.4040403@lemburg.com>


Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 12:43, Martijn Faassen a =E9crit :
>=20
>>>After some private discussion among the most active people
>>>on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive
>>>Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling
>>>and making sure that things move in the right direction.
>>
>=20
> I can only support Martijn assertion and add:
>=20
> As one of the person who was initially active and acted to have the bal=
l to=20
> get a first momentum, I want to thank the Managers and I would like to =
say I=20
> support this initiative. I will try to bring some energy back as soon a=
s I=20
> can.
>=20
> Thanks again for the good work=20

Thanks for all your support. We need it !

> Thanks to all the other who help too.

Of course, many thanks to the cast of hundreds out there too :-)

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 09:49:07 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:49:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3CE4C403.9020505@lemburg.com>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> Hi both,
> 
> I was very pleased to be able to pay my subscription to EuroPython...

Indeed. Tom and Joachim did a very good job here ! Cheers to
them.

> I have one remark and proposal :
> 
> -At the end of the confirmation page, it is told that you should print 
> the confirmation page which will be needed at the entry.
> This should be stated in red or bold at the begin of the page... I am 
> afraid there are already people which did not print it.

Good point.

> -It would be very nice to have a place where we can see how many people 
> have already registered if it is possible.

I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least
not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the
250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 10:04:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:04:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <00ff01c1fd81$d61fc7a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hi both,
>
> I was very pleased to be able to pay my subscription to EuroPython...

Nice.

> I have one remark and proposal :
>
> -At the end of the confirmation page, it is told that you should print the
> confirmation page which will be needed at the entry.
> This should be stated in red or bold at the begin of the page... I am
> afraid there are already people which did not print it.

Ok, I've put it bolder and red on the screen.
Thanks for letting us know, it's better indeed

> -It would be very nice to have a place where we can see how many people
> have already registered if it is possible.

This shouldn't be that a big technical problem, but perhaps a more 'private'
problem.
Would people want there name to be displayed on the screen?
If nobody objects, I'll program it.

Regards,
Tom.




From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 17 10:12:29 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:12:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
In-Reply-To: <3CE4C403.9020505@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>

At 10:49 17/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least
>not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the
>250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees.
>
>--
>Marc-Andre Lemburg
>CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH

I had done something which I just removed.

Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register... I 
really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only want to 
consume the conference should at least support us by paying their fees.
--

Godefroid Chapelle

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rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 10:24:32 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:24:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <013f01c1fd84$aa532290$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I had done something which I just removed.

Please, Godefroid be carefull with private data.

Also to all other site managers, although I'm sure that I can trust you all
and that you all
know Zope very well,  be carefull when you change something at the
registration pages.
Certainly work with versions to check everything.

It's very dangerous, since people are paying and some pages may return a
error when something wrong happens when editing.
Eg if the confirmation page returns and error and a person has just payed,
he won't be happy

At best, I wouldn't change too much on these pages, you never know when
Murphy comes along.

Regards,
Tom.




From js@aixtraware.de  Fri May 17 10:24:48 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:24:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <60510000.1021627488@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

I think we should a "register now" in the middle frame, or at least put=20
something like "Register now with:" above the buttons "secure payment"=20
"non-secure payment"



--On Freitag, Mai 17, 2002 11:12:29 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle=20
<gotcha@swing.be> wrote:

> At 10:49 17/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least
>> not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the
>> 250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees.
>>
>> --
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>
> I had done something which I just removed.
>
> Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register... I
> really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only want
> to consume the conference should at least support us by paying their =
fees.
+1

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From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 17 10:39:34 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:39:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
In-Reply-To: <013f01c1fd84$aa532290$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be>

At 11:24 17/05/2002, you wrote:
> > I had done something which I just removed.
>
>Please, Godefroid be carefull with private data.

I am completely prudent with data.

I surely did not touch to Registration at all for the reasons that you 
state below.

I had only added something to count registrants (written by Joachim) to the 
conference fees page

>Also to all other site managers, although I'm sure that I can trust you all
>and that you all
>know Zope very well,  be carefull when you change something at the
>registration pages.
>Certainly work with versions to check everything.
>
>It's very dangerous, since people are paying and some pages may return a
>error when something wrong happens when editing.
>Eg if the confirmation page returns and error and a person has just payed,
>he won't be happy
>
>At best, I wouldn't change too much on these pages, you never know when
>Murphy comes along.
>
>Regards,
>Tom.


Can you give your opinion about showing number of registrars ?

Thanks


--

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 10:52:10 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:52:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Can you give your opinion about showing number of registrars ?

I did, see another mail.

I'm not sure if some people would like to see their name on a public page.
I agree that if people see how many people come, there are more willing to
come.
However you've too look this also the other way around. If people first want
to see how
many people are comming, everybody is waiting on each other....
So, I would not post it right now.

I wanted however, regulary announce how much people registered, eg like:
reached 100, etc.
Your proposal to show the number of registrars is also a good way, but I
would wait a few days
to install that

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 10:53:44 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:53:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <60510000.1021627488@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <01e001c1fd88$bb425270$1e71a8c0@u10136>

At your service... :-)

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
To: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>; "M.-A. Lemburg"
<mal@lemburg.com>
Cc: <tom@aragne.com>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page


> Hi,
>
> I think we should a "register now" in the middle frame, or at least put
> something like "Register now with:" above the buttons "secure payment"
> "non-secure payment"
>
>
>
> --On Freitag, Mai 17, 2002 11:12:29 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle
> <gotcha@swing.be> wrote:
>
> > At 10:49 17/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> >> I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least
> >> not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the
> >> 250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> >> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> >
> > I had done something which I just removed.
> >
> > Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register..=
. I
> > really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only wa=
nt
> > to consume the conference should at least support us by paying their
fees.
> +1
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
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>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 17 11:18:16 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:18:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Fw: Adding Localizer
In-Reply-To: <3CE4D06E.9020309@nuxeo.com>
References: <007d01c1f6dd$679444a0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CDF8BE3.4000104@nuxeo.com>
 <00e501c1fa65$e6c36310$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CDF9105.8040904@nuxeo.com>
 <013001c1fa69$250d4020$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CDFAFF2.3020304@nuxeo.com>
 <01fe01c1fa7d$a7562060$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CDFBABE.7020806@nuxeo.com>
 <026801c1fa87$58bdb080$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CE14138.9090809@nuxeo.com>
 <116101c1fb8b$d4ed1e20$598d84d5@skullsplitter>
 <3CE2994E.2000401@nuxeo.com>
 <00d801c1fd15$fa4e2390$c68c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517121503.02debb18@pop.swing.be>

At 11:42 17/05/2002, you wrote:

>Hi Tom and Godefroid,
>
><snip>
>
>>>I've made the spanish translation of the home page, just to test it, and

Have you forgotten to translate the sentence about sponsors ?

>>added a selection box to change the language.
>>
>>This is nice!
>>I'll ask Godefroid if he wants to translate it to french. Godefroid can=
 you
>>look a the index_localiser in the home directory and translate it to=
 french?
><snip>
>Yes, possible and easy, but also not a priority, I think.
>Let's do a bit more in the internationalization task first.
>
>
><snip>
>Done, I've renamed the monolingual "index_html" to "index_html.old",
>the new "index_html" is the multilingual one now.

I have added the french version


>>>I'm sorry I can't go faster, I'm too busy :-(
>>
>>I know this feeling :-)
>
>:-) Well, the good news are that I expect to have internet connection
>at home in a near future, I'll be able to do more then.

How to you intend to localize the master_zpt ?


>--
>J. David Ib=E1=F1ez, Nuxeo.com
>Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org)
>
>

--

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From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Fri May 17 11:16:35 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:16:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Fw: Adding Localizer
References: <007d01c1f6dd$679444a0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDF8BE3.4000104@nuxeo.com> <00e501c1fa65$e6c36310$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDF9105.8040904@nuxeo.com> <013001c1fa69$250d4020$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDFAFF2.3020304@nuxeo.com> <01fe01c1fa7d$a7562060$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDFBABE.7020806@nuxeo.com> <026801c1fa87$58bdb080$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CE14138.9090809@nuxeo.com> <116101c1fb8b$d4ed1e20$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CE2994E.2000401@nuxeo.com> <00d801c1fd15$fa4e2390$c68c84d5@skullsplitter> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517121503.02debb18@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3CE4D883.8060506@nuxeo.com>

>
>
>>>> I've made the spanish translation of the home page, just to test 
>>>> it, and
>>>
>
> Have you forgotten to translate the sentence about sponsors ?
>

Oh yes! thanks, it's done now.


>> Done, I've renamed the monolingual "index_html" to "index_html.old",
>> the new "index_html" is the multilingual one now.
>
>
> I have added the french version
>
>

Thanks!


> How to you intend to localize the master_zpt ?
>

With a message catalog.



-- 
J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com
Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org)






From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 11:30:23 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:30:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be> <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CE4DBBF.4020203@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>Can you give your opinion about showing number of registrars ?
> 
> 
> I did, see another mail.
> 
> I'm not sure if some people would like to see their name on a public page.
> I agree that if people see how many people come, there are more willing to
> come.
> However you've too look this also the other way around. If people first want
> to see how
> many people are comming, everybody is waiting on each other....
> So, I would not post it right now.
> 
> I wanted however, regulary announce how much people registered, eg like:
> reached 100, etc.

I think this is a good idea: simply change the static number every
few days -- in 100s intervals and later on to "50 tickets left" :-)

> Your proposal to show the number of registrars is also a good way, but I
> would wait a few days

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 11:59:49 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:59:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
Message-ID: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com>

Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
round of press releases.

For this, I think we should update the press release text
a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
to the text.

    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish

(I've already added these to the English text)

The next would then be to mail out the press release to as
many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
the press release press page:

    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress

We need a volunteer to manage this.

If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
speak up today.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 12:26:54 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:26:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Localizing
Message-ID: <028c01c1fd95$bfba3310$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi,

As you probably have noticed, people are working on making the website
multilingual. If you would like to have the site in your language, step
forward to translate the pages.

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 12:37:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:37:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <02e901c1fd97$31f23350$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
> round of press releases.

Correct!

> For this, I think we should update the press release text
> a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
> to the text.
>
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish
>
> (I've already added these to the English text)

I would also add the announcement of  Jim Fulton, the creator of Zope and
that he
himself is going to give a Zope3 (next release) tutorial!

> The next would then be to mail out the press release to as
> many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
> to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
> the press release press page:
>
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress
>
> We need a volunteer to manage this.
>
> If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
> release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
> speak up today.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 12:47:03 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:47:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <030d01c1fd98$904c7270$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Ok, changed the text to add some points of  Zope3 (should be interesting for
most Zope developers)
Remove them if you don't see they fit.

Regard,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "EuroPython Mailing List" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:59 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release


> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
> round of press releases.
>
> For this, I think we should update the press release text
> a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
> to the text.
>
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish
>
> (I've already added these to the English text)
>
> The next would then be to mail out the press release to as
> many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
> to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
> the press release press page:
>
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress
>
> We need a volunteer to manage this.
>
> If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
> release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
> speak up today.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Fri May 17 12:41:14 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:41:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] registration confirmation page size
Message-ID: <009901c1fd97$c02dca80$6d94fea9@newmexico>

Hi,

I have just registered myself,

the confirmation page to be printed
(btw with the registration id at the bottom),
at least when printed from IE
does not fit a A4 page -
rather unpleasant.

regards.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 13:02:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:02:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] registration confirmation page size
References: <009901c1fd97$c02dca80$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <032301c1fd9a$c8439df0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hi,
>
> I have just registered myself,

Thanks!

> the confirmation page to be printed (btw with the registration id at the
bottom),
> at least when printed from IE  does not fit a A4 page -  rather
unpleasant.

Oops, thanks for the note. I've moved the whole part of this to above.
Sorry for the inconviniences

Regards,
Tom




From paul@zope.com  Fri May 17 13:06:30 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:06:30 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com>

I'll volunteer for this.  I had told Martijn last week that I would have 
something soon, so I'm way past deadline!  I'll plan to have a draft 
together in the next three hours.

--Paul

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
> round of press releases.
> 
> For this, I think we should update the press release text
> a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
> to the text.
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish
> 
> (I've already added these to the English text)
> 
> The next would then be to mail out the press release to as
> many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
> to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
> the press release press page:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress
> 
> We need a volunteer to manage this.
> 
> If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
> release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
> speak up today.
> 
> Thanks,






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 13:19:15 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:19:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com>
Message-ID: <034601c1fd9d$0f673780$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I'll volunteer for this.  I had told Martijn last week that I would have 
> something soon, so I'm way past deadline!  I'll plan to have a draft 
> together in the next three hours.

Thanks, Paul!
You're doing tremendous work.

Regards,
Tom.
 
> --Paul
> 
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
> > round of press releases.
> > 
> > For this, I think we should update the press release text
> > a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
> > to the text.
> > 
> >    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish
> > 
> > (I've already added these to the English text)
> > 
> > The next would then be to mail out the press release to as
> > many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
> > to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
> > the press release press page:
> > 
> >    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress
> > 
> > We need a volunteer to manage this.
> > 
> > If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
> > release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
> > speak up today.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 13:21:27 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:21:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3CE4F5C7.8000002@lemburg.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> I'll volunteer for this.  I had told Martijn last week that I would have 
> something soon, so I'm way past deadline!  I'll plan to have a draft 
> together in the next three hours.

Great !

So it's your job now :-)

Note that I haven't yet scanned the mailing list pages on python.org.
It would be great if you could gather a few more EU based mailing
addresses and send the press release there (or have someone else
do it).

> --Paul
> 
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
>> round of press releases.
>>
>> For this, I think we should update the press release text
>> a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
>> to the text.
>>
>>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish
>>
>> (I've already added these to the English text)
>>
>> The next would then be to mail out the press release to as
>> many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
>> to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
>> the press release press page:
>>
>>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress
>>
>> We need a volunteer to manage this.
>>
>> If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
>> release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
>> speak up today.
>>
>> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 13:21:52 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:21:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <030d01c1fd98$904c7270$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CE4F5E0.9050208@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Ok, changed the text to add some points of  Zope3 (should be interesting for
> most Zope developers)
> Remove them if you don't see they fit.

Perfect.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Fri May 17 13:35:21 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:35:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> <3CE4F5C7.8000002@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <013b01c1fd9f$4ffb9640$6d94fea9@newmexico>

> So it's your job now :-)
> 
> Note that I haven't yet scanned the mailing list pages on python.org.
> It would be great if you could gather a few more EU based mailing
> addresses and send the press release there (or have someone else
> do it).
> 

Btw, it seems the first round didn't reach

jython-users@lists.sf.net

maybe this time we can do better :).

regards.




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 17 13:46:52 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:46:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE4F5C7.8000002@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205171445580.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Paul Everitt wrote:
> > 
> > I'll volunteer for this.  I had told Martijn last week that I would have 
> > something soon, so I'm way past deadline!  I'll plan to have a draft 
> > together in the next three hours.
> 
> Great !
> 
> So it's your job now :-)
> 
> Note that I haven't yet scanned the mailing list pages on python.org.
> It would be great if you could gather a few more EU based mailing
> addresses and send the press release there (or have someone else
> do it).

If needed, I can translate it to french and mail it to the french speaking
addresses as I did in march.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be  Fri May 17 15:32:07 2002
From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:32:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [French] Re: EuroPython 200 2 : proposiion de
 =?iso-8859-15?q?pr=E9sentation?=
In-Reply-To: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org>
References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118>

Personellement, votre proposiion ( nombres AVEC unit=E9s de mesure )=20
m'int=E9resse beaucoup !
Patrick Carabin.

Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20
http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/
Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20
http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20

=ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
=ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
						Dala=EF Lama.



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 15:43:06 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:43:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re:_=5BEuroPython=5D_=5BFrench=5D_Re:_EuroPython_200_2_:_p?=
 =?ISO-8859-15?Q?roposiion_de__pr=E9sentation?=
References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118>
Message-ID: <044801c1fdb1$2821b160$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Patrick,

Sorry, I'm not sure if I can follow you here.

Regards,
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Carabin" <Patrick.Carabin@SciencesNaturelles.be>
To: <europython@python.org>; <pierre.denis@spacebel.be>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:32 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] [French] Re: EuroPython 200 2 : proposiion de
pr=E9sentation


> Personellement, votre proposiion ( nombres AVEC unit=E9s de mesure )
> m'int=E9resse beaucoup !
> Patrick Carabin.
>
> Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique
> http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/
> Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen
> http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/
>
> =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
> =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
> Dala=EF Lama.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 17 15:46:30 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:46:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re:_=5BEuroPython=5D_=5BFrench=5D_Re:_EuroPython_200_2_:_p?=
 =?ISO-8859-15?Q?roposiion_de__pr=E9sentation?=
In-Reply-To: <044801c1fdb1$2821b160$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205171646030.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 17 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> 
> Sorry, I'm not sure if I can follow you here.

Don't worry, I answered that mail in private (and french :-).

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be  Fri May 17 16:08:24 2002
From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:08:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment payer ?
In-Reply-To: <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118>
References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118>
Message-ID: <02051717082405.01259@pc20_118>

1 ) On me demande d'imprimer l'=E9cran avant de l'envoyer ... il sort=20
*2* pages *VIERGES* de l'imprimante...

2 ) J'ai copi=E9 les donn=E9es suivantes :

 Amount: 200.00 EUR
 your registration-id: 021371646
 Bank account: 068-2346382-76=20

mais je ne vois pas le NOM du titulaire du compte, NI son adresse.=20
Mon programme de virements me le demande.
2 a ) Quels sont le nom et l'adresse du titulaire du compte ?
2 b ) Que dois-je mettre en communication ?

Merci d'avance,
Patrick Carabin.

Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20
http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/
Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20
http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20

=ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
=ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
						Dala=EF Lama.



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 16:12:57 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:12:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment payer ?
References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> <02051717082405.01259@pc20_118>
Message-ID: <048201c1fdb5$53c76950$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Patrick,

I assume that you are trying to pay with SWIFT transfert correct?
Normally, you should receive an email with all the details of the bank.
Let me know if this happens, because otherwise there are some problem.
I don't understand why you browser prints blanc pages....

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Carabin" <Patrick.Carabin@SciencesNaturelles.be>
To: <Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be>; <europython@python.org>;
<pierre.denis@spacebel.be>
Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:08 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment payer ?


> 1 ) On me demande d'imprimer l'=E9cran avant de l'envoyer ... il sort
> *2* pages *VIERGES* de l'imprimante...
>
> 2 ) J'ai copi=E9 les donn=E9es suivantes :
>
>  Amount: 200.00 EUR
>  your registration-id: 021371646
>  Bank account: 068-2346382-76
>
> mais je ne vois pas le NOM du titulaire du compte, NI son adresse.
> Mon programme de virements me le demande.
> 2 a ) Quels sont le nom et l'adresse du titulaire du compte ?
> 2 b ) Que dois-je mettre en communication ?
>
> Merci d'avance,
> Patrick Carabin.
>
> Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique
> http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/
> Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen
> http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/
>
> =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB
> =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB
> Dala=EF Lama.
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From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Fri May 17 16:11:46 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:11:46 +0200
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
In-Reply-To: <3CE4C37C.4040403@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEAIDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Hi folks,

currently I'm again too slow. Have now to read 133 mails... sigh...

I support the idea of "The Managers". I'm in discussion with a person which
has some organisational skills, but without any technical knowledge about
programming, python, ZOPE, HTML etc. BUT she is bright, and would be very
happy to help out and she has definitifly time left. Maybe some sort of
assistance to "The Managers"?

Are you interested? And: do you think you can give her clear, precise jobs
she can do without having to code HTML or to build new ZOPE products ;-)? I
think about: getting the press release out to all know contacts, calling
possible sponsors and such things...

I would love to help out personally, but currently there is a ++ Mio EU
project in "heavy sea" and I need to focus on that.

To discuss details: I can arrange a phone conference; or just call me under
+49 228 9783660.

Regards,
Andrew







From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 16:46:48 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:46:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment payer ?
References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> <02051717082405.01259@pc20_118>
Message-ID: <04cf01c1fdba$0e14e7c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> 1 ) On me demande d'imprimer l'=E9cran avant de l'envoyer ... il sort
> *2* pages *VIERGES* de l'imprimante...

I'm afraid this is something with your browser

> 2 ) J'ai copi=E9 les donn=E9es suivantes :
>
>  Amount: 200.00 EUR
>  your registration-id: 021371646
>  Bank account: 068-2346382-76
>
> mais je ne vois pas le NOM du titulaire du compte, NI son adresse.
> Mon programme de virements me le demande.
> 2 a ) Quels sont le nom et l'adresse du titulaire du compte ?

I don't know if it is needed for SWIFT payment, but here is more
information. It is the special created EuroPython2002 account of P3B
A member of P3B: Denis Fr=E8re, domicili=E9 rue de Colnet, 9 =E0 6040 Jum=
et

> 2 b ) Que dois-je mettre en communication ?

Your registration-id. (See also on the email  you've confirmed the swift
payment)

> Merci d'avance,
> Patrick Carabin.

Please, let us know if everything went ok!

Regards,
Tom.




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 17:03:39 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:03:39 +0200
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEAIDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <3CE529DB.3080604@lemburg.com>

Andrew Smart wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> currently I'm again too slow. Have now to read 133 mails... sigh...
> 
> I support the idea of "The Managers". I'm in discussion with a person which
> has some organisational skills, but without any technical knowledge about
> programming, python, ZOPE, HTML etc. BUT she is bright, and would be very
> happy to help out and she has definitifly time left. Maybe some sort of
> assistance to "The Managers"?

Just give us an email address and I'm sure we'll find some work :-)
(There's tons of it... e.g. Paul Everitt could probably need help with the
press release).

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From paul@zope.com  Fri May 17 18:49:32 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:49:32 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
Message-ID: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>

Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
executive committee):

    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease

Some changes:

    o I added a tagline under the title ("Inaugural event...") as a way
    focus on the selling point

    o I tried to remove some extraneous stuff in the first few
    paragraphs, such as the background of the EuroZope
    foundation's formation.  Instead, I tried to focus the lead-in
    on answering: "Why should I attend?"

    o The "dropping names" part was broken into bullets, so people
    that visually scan web pages can pick them out more easily.

--Paul





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 17 19:12:10 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:12:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020517181210.GA22066@vet.uu.nl>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
[publish amount of people who registered]
> Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register... I 
> really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only want to 
> consume the conference should at least support us by paying their fees.

I think the news on the home page is an excellent way to do so; we can
post regular updates on 'over <some round number here> people registered!' 
regularly.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 17 19:13:34 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:13:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page
In-Reply-To: <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205151506030.435-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be> <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020517181334.GB22066@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I wanted however, regulary announce how much people registered, eg like:
> reached 100, etc.

Oh, just what I posted, I agree, then. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 17 19:18:00 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:18:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com>
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020517181759.GC22066@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another
> round of press releases.

Note that Paul was working on this, and I asked him yesterday already
what's the status on it. He hasn't answered yet. :)

> For this, I think we should update the press release text
> a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming
> to the text.
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish
> 
> (I've already added these to the English text)
> The next would then be to mail out the press release to as

And some other nice names we may want to include as well. And definitely
say registration is now open. :) 

> many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course
> to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on
> the press release press page:
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress
> 
> We need a volunteer to manage this.

I can submit it to some Python and also Zope channels. I'll also ask Guido
whether I can post a note to python-dev this time, as he complained a
Dutch core developer hadn't heard about it. Hm, perhaps a list to actually
talk to for people who want to speak on the Python Language track. I will
try that..

> If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press
> release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please
> speak up today.

I can't commit to this myself unfortunately, but I'll help with some of the 
writing over the weekend.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 17 19:18:41 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:18:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com>
References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020517181841.GD22066@vet.uu.nl>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> I'll volunteer for this.  I had told Martijn last week that I would have 
> something soon, so I'm way past deadline!  I'll plan to have a draft 
> together in the next three hours.

Reminder to self, please read entire thread before adding notes; I keep
doing this recently!

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 17 19:33:23 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:33:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020517183322.GA22325@vet.uu.nl>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
> executive committee):
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease

Very nice; I like it a lot!

Some comments:

  * Does Eric Raymond know yet he's going to give a keynote instead of
    just a talk? Would be good to let him know. :)

  * We need a decent text only version for the various announcement
    mailing lists.

Regards,

Martijn




From bh@intevation.de  Fri May 17 19:51:07 2002
From: bh@intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog)
Date: 17 May 2002 20:51:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
Message-ID: <6q4rh6y5es.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>

Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com> writes:

> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the
> executive committee):
> 
>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease

Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where,
when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant.

   Bernhard

-- 
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Sketch                                 http://sketch.sourceforge.net/
MapIt!                                           http://www.mapit.de/



From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 17 20:16:32 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:16:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517211208.0236a750@pop.swing.be>

At 19:49 17/05/2002, Paul Everitt wrote:
>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
>executive committee):
>
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease


Hoping to avoid unuseful wars, I think that the people referenced in the 
end of the press release as being part of the EuroPython Team should be 
corrected...

On one hand, we have almost not heard both Nicolas Pettiaux and Stefane 
Fermigier
On the other hand, Tom Deprez is now part of the executive team and is not 
mentioned.

My 2 EuroCents.
--

Godefroid Chapelle

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From gotcha@swing.be  Fri May 17 20:22:57 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:22:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <6q4rh6y5es.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
 <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be>

At 20:51 17/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote:
>Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com> writes:
>
> > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the
> > executive committee):
> >
> >     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
>
>Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where,
>when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant.

Sure...



>    Bernhard

Should we also state better that there is a early-bird fee until May 31st ?
--

Godefroid Chapelle

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From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 20:23:18 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:23:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517211208.0236a750@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3CE558A6.9020103@lemburg.com>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> At 19:49 17/05/2002, Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
>> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by 
>> the executive committee):
>>
>>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
> 
> 
> 
> Hoping to avoid unuseful wars, I think that the people referenced in the 
> end of the press release as being part of the EuroPython Team should be 
> corrected...
> 
> On one hand, we have almost not heard both Nicolas Pettiaux and Stefane 
> Fermigier
> On the other hand, Tom Deprez is now part of the executive team and is 
> not mentioned.

The names mentioned there are just contacts -- at least that's
how I understand it.

If Tom doesn't want to get called by the press, then I can understand
why he doesn't want to be mentioned. If it's just a mistake, then
Tom should add the info the press release.

We should add the new generic contact address though (which I'll
do just now).

Good point, though.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 20:26:58 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:26:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com>


Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> At 20:51 17/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote:
> 
>> Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com> writes:
>>
>> > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by 
>> the
>> > executive committee):
>> >
>> >     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
>>
>> Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where,
>> when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant.
> 
> 
> Sure...

Agreed. Press releases are for journalists, not programmers ;-)

>>    Bernhard
> 
> 
> Should we also state better that there is a early-bird fee until May 31st ?

I think the sentence "Space is filling quickly, so early registration at
the EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged." does this.

One note: the sentence "The authorities in Charleroi have generously
pledged support for this meeting." is *not* true anymore -- we have
to pay for CEME in full.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 17 20:28:14 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:28:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be> <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CE559CE.1070508@lemburg.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
> 
> One note: the sentence "The authorities in Charleroi have generously
> pledged support for this meeting." is *not* true anymore -- we have
> to pay for CEME in full.

I've removed that sentence from the press release now.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 17 20:45:35 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:45:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517211208.0236a750@pop.swing.be> <3CE558A6.9020103@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <031c01c1fddb$6aae5680$0d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> The names mentioned there are just contacts -- at least that's how I
understand it.

Correct, I thought this was for press contacts.

> If Tom doesn't want to get called by the press, then I can understand
> why he doesn't want to be mentioned. If it's just a mistake, then
> Tom should add the info the press release.

Anyway, I added my information to the list, in case people want to contact
me

> We should add the new generic contact address though (which I'll do just
now).

Yup, that should be added.

>
> Good point, though.
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From holger@trillke.net  Fri May 17 21:30:20 2002
From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:30:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be> <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020517203020.GB13621@trillke.net>

[M.-A. Lemburg Fri, May 17, 2002 at 09:26:58PM +0200]
> >>Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com> writes:
> >>
> >>> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by 
> >>the
> >>> executive committee):
> >>>
> >>>     http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
> >>
> >>Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where,
> >>when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant.
> >
> >
> >Sure...
> 
> Agreed. Press releases are for journalists, not programmers ;-)

be careful :-) regarding topics such as EuroPython i suspect 
that journalists are often programmers, too.

i don't think that CNN will sent someone :-)

    holger



From holger@trillke.net  Fri May 17 21:49:24 2002
From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:49:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net>

[Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400]
> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
> executive committee):
> 
>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease

the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic
experience that some more information would be appreciated:

- how many people in europe are *approximately* using python
  (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown?

- how is the conference organized (collaboratively...) 

- maybe mention that this is the second big free software
  developer's event this year. (the other beeing 
  FOSDEM with 500-1000 people in Bruxelles earlier this year).

- give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning
  talks'

btw, many computer journalists like this kind of statistical information
as they usually don't care to research it :-)

regards,

    holger



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 17 22:22:37 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:22:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net>
Message-ID: <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl>

holger@trillke.net wrote:
> [Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400]
> > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
> > executive committee):
> > 
> >    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
> 
> the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic
> experience that some more information would be appreciated:
> 
> - how many people in europe are *approximately* using python
>   (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown?

We had some wild figures in an early version of the previous 
press release, but I took them out as I could not get anyone to
give us actual information on this. I don't know actually who put
them in. :) I don't think we should spend too much time on this.

> - how is the conference organized (collaboratively...) 

This would be nice.

> - maybe mention that this is the second big free software
>   developer's event this year. (the other beeing 
>   FOSDEM with 500-1000 people in Bruxelles earlier this year).

There are other events, like LinuxTag and so on, which should count
for something (even though that is for the public it also attracts
plenty of developers and side conferences etc).

> - give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning
>   talks'

This would be nice to do, and we can actually come up with an approximate
figure. Though I think the track thing already helps there. Perhaps we
should say something about the tracks being *parallel*. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From denis@aragne.com  Sat May 18 02:35:00 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:35:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Science specialist [babu@bessy.de: Question]
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Nicolas will you take care of this mail ?

Denis

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Hi there,

Thank you very much for the notification. 

Due to the structural genomics initiatives throughout the world and the  
integration of structural biology, information sciences and computational
technology. As a biophysicist, I have started gaining the experience in
computational technology. Right now I am engaged in database programming
using Python as programming language and MySQL as database engine. 

The question is, I want to present my work during the conference either
by poster or 10 minutes oral presentation. Do you have a time slot or
poster session during the conference?. If so, please write back to me as
early as possible.

PS : Last year as a scientist my technical achievement has been recognised
by American Crystallography Association, USA. Please, look at the web
page. 

http://www.hwi.buffalo.edu/ACA/ACA01/abstracts/S0101.html
Ref : W0162

Looking forward to hearing from you soon, 

Babu

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12489 Berlin Germany
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>  
> You receive this message because you shared us the knowledge
> that you were interested in this event and wanted a 
> notification when the registration of the EuroPython2002 
> congress would go online. 
> 
> Our apologizes for the delay, but finally it arrived, 
> ready to take your registrations.
>  
> Go and visit www.europython.org 
> 
> Hopefully you are still interested in the event and may we welcome 
> you at the EuroPython2002 conference.
> 
> For further questions concerning registration, contact sales@p3b.org
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From itamar@zoteca.com  Sat May 18 11:56:24 2002
From: itamar@zoteca.com (Itamar Shtull-Trauring)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:56:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website
Message-ID: <3CE63358.1010002@zoteca.com>

This page:

http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks/

Is basically useless - the UI is silly, and I can't see talks other than 
the scientific ones and zope tutorials after I check everything off. The 
way it ought to work is that by default it shows all talks, and 
filtering lets you limit what you're seeing - that is, by default 
everything should be checked.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 11:06:52 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:06:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website
References: <3CE63358.1010002@zoteca.com>
Message-ID: <00cb01c1fe53$bc37f8d0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Go ahead and change it to your needs...

Know that at the moment only Zope Tutorial and Science & Industry are in the
database
marked as 'visible'. So you're not able to see others....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <itamar@zoteca.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:56 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website


> This page:
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks/
>
> Is basically useless - the UI is silly, and I can't see talks other than
> the scientific ones and zope tutorials after I check everything off. The
> way it ought to work is that by default it shows all talks, and
> filtering lets you limit what you're seeing - that is, by default
> everything should be checked.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 11:19:24 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:19:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website
References: <3CE63358.1010002@zoteca.com> <00cb01c1fe53$bc37f8d0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <00d901c1fe55$7da560b0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>


> Go ahead and change it to your needs...

sorry, for this brunt message. I'm just not having my day. Since yesterday
I've a really bad flu,
so everything annoys me at the moment. Again, sorry for this message.
I've changed it. Let me know if it's better now.

> Know that at the moment only Zope Tutorial and Science & Industry are in
the
> database
> marked as 'visible'. So you're not able to see others....
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <itamar@zoteca.com>
> To: <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:56 PM
> Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website
>
>
> > This page:
> >
> > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks/
> >
> > Is basically useless - the UI is silly, and I can't see talks other than
> > the scientific ones and zope tutorials after I check everything off. The
> > way it ought to work is that by default it shows all talks, and
> > filtering lets you limit what you're seeing - that is, by default
> > everything should be checked.
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 11:39:57 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:39:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] to _all_ track champions
Message-ID: <010401c1fe58$5c7d57a0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

I would advice all track champions to make their decisions concerning the
talks.
Move them up to the track database. Set them to 'approved' if you know for
sure the talk will be given.

We can't to afford to wait longer. The longer we wait, the longer people
will wait to register
because they want to know who's giving a talk or not, etc.

I would like to see most of the talks half this week at
http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks

Regards,
Tom.





From sdeibel@wingide.com  Sat May 18 14:01:13 2002
From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:01:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Cost of having materials distributed to attendees?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205180851000.836-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>

Hi,

Since none of the Archaeopteryxians can make it to Europython in
person, we've been tossing around ideas for either advertising
and/or having a booth in absentia with someone outside of our company
at the booth.  The latter would be basically just a place to
distribute demo CDs for our product, and maybe some leaflets.

Another idea would be for us to ship the CDs (and leaflets, if any)
to the site and have them distributed at registration, to each
attendee.

Somewhere I thought I saw discussion about this, but now don't
see anything on the website.

Is this an option?  Is there an idea of the cost?  Also, any idea
of attendance levels expected (or at least registration so far)?

Thanks,

- Stephan

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wing IDE for Python                          Archaeopteryx Software, Inc
www.wingide.com                              Take Flight!




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May 18 15:15:14 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:15:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Science specialist [babu@bessy.de: Question]
In-Reply-To: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net>
References: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <20020518141514.GA24226@vet.uu.nl>

Denis Fr?re wrote:
> Nicolas will you take care of this mail ?
[snip talk proposal suggesting a lightning talk]

We should schedule him for a lightning talk on the third day, perhaps?
Note that he will have to pay the full amount for the conference in that
case though.

Regards,

Martijn




From lac@strakt.com  Sat May 18 16:09:42 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:09:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] online registration
Message-ID: <200205181509.g4IF9gE2024963@theraft.strakt.com>

2 small problems with the form:

1. Gender (Mr. Mrs.) - this is not gender - this is Title.
                       Unmarried women, and people who like to use a different
                       title -- e.g. Dr. are not addressed.

2. The country code is not perfectly sorted -- Chad comes after Switzerland
   and before Togo -- Sweden comes between Sudan and Singapore.  I figure
   that this is because you are sorting by the 2 letter abbreviation ...
   where Sweden is .se, but it is still confusing.

Laura Creighton



From fcohen@pushtotest.com  Sat May 18 16:31:59 2002
From: fcohen@pushtotest.com (Frank Cohen)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:31:59 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Python conference speakers
Message-ID: <B90BC1FF.15ABC%fcohen@pushtotest.com>

Hi EuroPython: Samuele Pedroni posted news of the European Python
conference. I am interested in attending the conference and possibly
speaking. I can't make the conference next month but would like to learn
about the next conference you have planned. I am planning to be at the Etre
conference in Spain in October.

I manage an open-source project called TestMaker, which is used as a
framework to build intelligent test agents to check Web Services for
functionality, scalability and performance. Details are at
http://www.PushToTest.com. TestMaker embeds Jython as a scripting language
to drive a library of test objects.

-Frank

-- 
Frank Cohen, CEO, PushToTest, www.pushtotest.com, phone: 408 374 7426
Come to PushToTest for free open-source Active Security solutions that test,
monitor and automate Web Service systems for functionality, scalability and
performance.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 17:05:29 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:05:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] online registration
References: <200205181509.g4IF9gE2024963@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <018e01c1fe85$da728bd0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

> 2 small problems with the form:
>
> 1. Gender (Mr. Mrs.) - this is not gender - this is Title.
>                        Unmarried women, and people who like to use a
different
>                        title -- e.g. Dr. are not addressed.

Zut, you're right. Thanks for letting us know.

> 2. The country code is not perfectly sorted -- Chad comes after
Switzerland
>    and before Togo -- Sweden comes between Sudan and Singapore.  I figure
>    that this is because you are sorting by the 2 letter abbreviation ...
>    where Sweden is .se, but it is still confusing.

I'll look that up, haven't checked it. But, I guess you're right concerning
the sorting

Tom.

> Laura Creighton
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 17:30:32 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:30:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form
Message-ID: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

ok,

I've sorted the titles on the name of the country.

Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd.

Did I forgot some which are generally used in conferences?

Regards,
Tom.





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May 18 17:46:36 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:46:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form
In-Reply-To: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020518164636.GA24542@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I've sorted the titles on the name of the country.
> 
> Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd.

Are titles really necessary? I mean, I'd just like to register as
my name without title if I had to register, and it's hard to get all
the stuff right. And then people will get name tags saying Mr. Faassen?
Or what? I mean, I'd prefer my first name to be on there instead. So
we should be careful in how we use this, at least.

It seems unfair to have 'Mrs' and 'Miss'; do we really need to know
about marital status of women? Use the neutral 'Ms' instead.

Regards,

Martijn




From lac@strakt.com  Sat May 18 17:48:44 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:48:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
 of "Sat, 18 May 2002 18:30:32 +0200." <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <200205181648.g4IGmirW025797@theraft.strakt.com>

> ok,
> 
> I've sorted the titles on the name of the country.
> 
> Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd.
> 
> Did I forgot some which are generally used in conferences?

Miss doesn't get a period.  Ms. does, and is very common.  I have
never seen Phd used at all.   Priests, Nuns, Judges, and elected
officials sometimes want to use their titles.

thanks very much Tom.

Laura Creighton




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 19:48:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 20:48:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form
References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020518164636.GA24542@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <01f901c1fe9c$c75eda00$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > I've sorted the titles on the name of the country.
> >
> > Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd.
>
> Are titles really necessary? I mean, I'd just like to register as
> my name without title if I had to register, and it's hard to get all
> the stuff right. And then people will get name tags saying Mr. Faassen?
> Or what? I mean, I'd prefer my first name to be on there instead. So
> we should be careful in how we use this, at least.

No, but they are there now, and I don't want to fiddle too much on the
registration form.
I don't know why there is such a big fuss on this topic anyway...
What does it matter.... I never use my titles, why should I?

> It seems unfair to have 'Mrs' and 'Miss'; do we really need to know
> about marital status of women? Use the neutral 'Ms' instead.

Ok, I'll do that.

> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May 18 21:31:11 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:31:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form
In-Reply-To: <01f901c1fe9c$c75eda00$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020518164636.GA24542@vet.uu.nl> <01f901c1fe9c$c75eda00$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020518203111.GA25350@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Tom Deprez wrote:
> > > I've sorted the titles on the name of the country.
> > >
> > > Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd.
> >
> > Are titles really necessary? I mean, I'd just like to register as
> > my name without title if I had to register, and it's hard to get all
> > the stuff right. And then people will get name tags saying Mr. Faassen?
> > Or what? I mean, I'd prefer my first name to be on there instead. So
> > we should be careful in how we use this, at least.
> 
> No, but they are there now, and I don't want to fiddle too much on the
> registration form.

Okay, no problem whatsoever. :)

> I don't know why there is such a big fuss on this topic anyway...
> What does it matter.... I never use my titles, why should I?

Not a big fuss from me, just wondering! Just a small fuss! Sorry! :)

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Sat May 18 22:08:58 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] fixed typoes
Message-ID: <20020518210858.GA25437@vet.uu.nl>

Hey,

Just so you know what I'm up to, I just went through the EuroPython
site and fixed some typoes. ('transfert' -> 'transfer' was a common one).

I was inclined to edit some text but refrained; we want to retain that
European charm. ;)

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 18 22:45:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:45:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] fixed typoes
References: <20020518210858.GA25437@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <023701c1feb5$5ffb3980$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Thanks,

Tom.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:08 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] fixed typoes


> Hey,
> 
> Just so you know what I'm up to, I just went through the EuroPython
> site and fixed some typoes. ('transfert' -> 'transfer' was a common one).
> 
> I was inclined to edit some text but refrained; we want to retain that
> European charm. ;)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun May 19 11:48:41 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 12:48:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Cost of having materials distributed to attendees?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205180851000.836-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>
Message-ID: <002d01c1ff23$9bf72c50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi Stephan,

> Hi,
>
> Since none of the Archaeopteryxians can make it to Europython in
> person,

That's too bad. It would have been great to have you on the congress.

>we've been tossing around ideas for either advertising and/or having a
>booth in absentia with someone outside of our company at the booth.
>The latter would be basically just a place to distribute demo CDs for
>our product, and maybe some leaflets.

That's still possible, see prices at:

http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors
http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring

The prices for just a booth are really low. I don't think you'll find
somewhere else a booth for such a low price. You only have to
find a person willing to do for you.

SideNote: Correct, this is the first congress in its row, but this doesn't
mean that nobody has to support it by sponsership or hiring booths.
If nobody supports it, well, then it will also be the last congress in its
row.

> Another idea would be for us to ship the CDs (and leaflets, if any)
> to the site and have them distributed at registration, to each
> attendee.

That's one possibility as well and to tell you the truth, we haven't thought
on
this one.

> Somewhere I thought I saw discussion about this, but now don't
> see anything on the website.

The only way at the moment for distibuting CD's/Leaflets  is hiring a booth.
http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors

You could also hire a page in the leaflets which reportlab will make
http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring

> Is this an option?

Yes, this is an option as well. Since we give every visitor a bag, we can
include
several things in there.

> Is there an idea of the cost?

We haven't thought on this, so we don't have a price ticket on this right
now.
But let met think, the only difference between this method and having a
booth
would be:

1) We've to do the work (somebody has to put it in the bags)
2) You reach every visitor, since its in his/her bag.

Because this, I guess we can't go lower than the base price of the booths.
Because
of the above points, I would even go higher: 250 EUR?

Of course, this is still open for discussion.

>  Also, any idea of attendance levels expected (or at least registration so
far)?

We've an idea of about 200-300 visitors. We can accompany 400-450 people
and this is the level we want to reach.
I think we can give an accurate registration amount after the press-release.

> Thanks,
>
> - Stephan

Regards,
Tom.





From mal@lemburg.com  Sun May 19 12:26:20 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:26:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form
References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205181648.g4IGmirW025797@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <3CE78BDC.7080609@lemburg.com>

Laura Creighton wrote:
>>ok,
>>
>>I've sorted the titles on the name of the country.
>>
>>Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd.
>>
>>Did I forgot some which are generally used in conferences?
> 
> 
> Miss doesn't get a period.  Ms. does, and is very common.  I have
> never seen Phd used at all.   Priests, Nuns, Judges, and elected
> officials sometimes want to use their titles.

I don't think we need titles in the database -- let's not
make things complicated: Mr./Mrs./Ms. are enough to tell the
gender which is what we're after here.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Sun May 19 12:41:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:41:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Python conference speakers
References: <B90BC1FF.15ABC%fcohen@pushtotest.com>
Message-ID: <3CE78F7F.5090505@lemburg.com>

Frank Cohen wrote:
> Hi EuroPython: Samuele Pedroni posted news of the European Python
> conference. I am interested in attending the conference and possibly
> speaking. I can't make the conference next month but would like to learn
> about the next conference you have planned. I am planning to be at the Etre
> conference in Spain in October.

Provided this conference becomes a success, we plan to have EuroPython
as annual event to complement the US based ones.

> I manage an open-source project called TestMaker, which is used as a
> framework to build intelligent test agents to check Web Services for
> functionality, scalability and performance. Details are at
> http://www.PushToTest.com. TestMaker embeds Jython as a scripting language
> to drive a library of test objects.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Sun May 19 12:43:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:43:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] to _all_ track champions
References: <010401c1fe58$5c7d57a0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CE78FE7.9060108@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I would advice all track champions to make their decisions concerning the
> talks.
> Move them up to the track database. Set them to 'approved' if you know for
> sure the talk will be given.

Tim will move the business and web services talks from the wiki
into the database early next week. For now, the wiki is the
official resource for these two talks.

> We can't to afford to wait longer. The longer we wait, the longer people
> will wait to register
> because they want to know who's giving a talk or not, etc.
> 
> I would like to see most of the talks half this week at
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From sdeibel@wingide.com  Mon May 20 01:26:35 2002
From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:26:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Cost of having materials distributed to attendees?
In-Reply-To: <002d01c1ff23$9bf72c50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205192015130.880-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>

On Sun, 19 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
> We haven't thought on this, so we don't have a price ticket on this
> right now. But let met think, the only difference between this method
> and having a booth would be:
>
> 1) We've to do the work (somebody has to put it in the bags)
> 2) You reach every visitor, since its in his/her bag.
>
> Because this, I guess we can't go lower than the base price of the
> booths. Because of the above points, I would even go higher: 250 EUR?

Something in that range would be quite acceptible for us.  We'ld do that
instead of hiring a booth, since it's much easier to arrange in absentia.

> We've an idea of about 200-300 visitors. We can accompany 400-450
> people and this is the level we want to reach. I think we can give an
> accurate registration amount after the press-release.

That sounds good... quite impressive in fact, if you make it.  We'ld need
to know roughly the number about 2 weeks ahead of time, so it's not a
big rush.

By the way, your booth prices are indeed very good, and I think that's a
*great* idea because it makes for a potentially much more lively exhibit
at the conference.  Python isn't a big money space at the moment, so I'm
really happy to see you're scaling your conference accordingly. I hope you
get lots of exhibitors.  We'll definately be there for future conferences!

- Stephan

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 20 15:20:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:20:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder
Message-ID: <012a01c20009$7b8318d0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

This is a reminder for the weekly Europython chat. Chat 15:00 UTC; (17:00 
CET). (approx within an hour from now) 
At irc.openprojects.net (#europython)

Following points are on the agenda:
http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay20
If you've other points to discuss. Please let them know

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 20 16:06:13 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:06:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] I guess it's time for a chat...
Message-ID: <01ac01c2000f$e2c620e0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>






From paul@zope.com  Mon May 20 16:55:19 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:55:19 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <6q4rh6y5es.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de>
Message-ID: <3CE91C67.4040705@zope.com>

Bernhard Herzog wrote:
> Paul Everitt <paul@zope.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the
>>executive committee):
>>
>>    http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
> 
> 
> Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where,
> when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant.

I think different formats for release will have parts of this removed 
(the lead-in, the HTML part, etc.)

--Paul





From paul@zope.com  Mon May 20 17:10:42 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:10:42 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> holger@trillke.net wrote:
> 
>>[Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400]
>>
>>>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
>>>executive committee):
>>>
>>>   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
>>
>>the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic
>>experience that some more information would be appreciated:
>>
>>- how many people in europe are *approximately* using python
>>  (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown?
> 
> 
> We had some wild figures in an early version of the previous 
> press release, but I took them out as I could not get anyone to
> give us actual information on this. I don't know actually who put
> them in. :) I don't think we should spend too much time on this.

I agree with Martijn.  If someone gives me a number, I'll include. 
Otherwise, I'm not going to be the one throwing a dart at the dartboard 
to guess a number. :^)

>>- how is the conference organized (collaboratively...) 
> 
> 
> This would be nice.

This was in a previous incarnation and I removed it.  I'll add it back.

>>- maybe mention that this is the second big free software
>>  developer's event this year. (the other beeing 
>>  FOSDEM with 500-1000 people in Bruxelles earlier this year).
> 
> 
> There are other events, like LinuxTag and so on, which should count
> for something (even though that is for the public it also attracts
> plenty of developers and side conferences etc).

I'm trying to find the right place to tie this in.  Perhaps with the 
point about how it was organized?  Is it safe to say that FOSDEM and 
LinuxTag were also organized by developers?  For instance:

"""
The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open
source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, which
each attracted thousands of attendees.  Like these conferences, 
EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source
developers.
"""

>>- give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning
>>  talks'
> 
> This would be nice to do, and we can actually come up with an approximate
> figure. Though I think the track thing already helps there. Perhaps we
> should say something about the tracks being *parallel*. :)

I'll provide a number and mention parallel.

I've updated:

   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease

--Paul




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon May 20 17:55:47 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:55:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
Message-ID: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish
interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up
to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open source
news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with at 
least a part of our target audience (open source developers).

So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews
a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts.

If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or
irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of tracks
we have (one and a half interview per track :).

How does that sound?

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 20 18:09:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:09:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <023d01c20021$28f152e0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Good idea!

Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:55 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?


> Hi there,
>
> One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish
> interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up
> to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open source
> news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with at
> least a part of our target audience (open source developers).
>
> So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews
> a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts.
>
> If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or
> irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of
tracks
> we have (one and a half interview per track :).
>
> How does that sound?
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From holger@trillke.net  Mon May 20 18:42:51 2002
From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:42:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net>

[Paul Everitt Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:42PM -0400]
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> >holger@trillke.net wrote:
> >
> >>[Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400]
> >>
> >>>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the 
> >>>executive committee):
> >>>
> >>>  http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease
> >>
> >>the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic
> >>experience that some more information would be appreciated:
> >>
> >>- how many people in europe are *approximately* using python
> >> (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown?
> >
> >
> >We had some wild figures in an early version of the previous 
> >press release, but I took them out as I could not get anyone to
> >give us actual information on this. I don't know actually who put
> >them in. :) I don't think we should spend too much time on this.
> 
> I agree with Martijn.  If someone gives me a number, I'll include. 
> Otherwise, I'm not going to be the one throwing a dart at the dartboard 
> to guess a number. :^)

of course not :-)

Out of curiosity, shouldn't Zope Cooperation or other companies working
with python products have some figures?  Would be interesting after all. 

> >There are other events, like LinuxTag and so on, which should count
> >for something (even though that is for the public it also attracts
> >plenty of developers and side conferences etc).
> 
> I'm trying to find the right place to tie this in.  Perhaps with the 
> point about how it was organized?  Is it safe to say that FOSDEM and 
> LinuxTag were also organized by developers?  For instance:
> 
> """
> The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open
> source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, which
> each attracted thousands of attendees.  Like these conferences, 
> EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source
> developers.
> """

exactly what i would be looking for. What journalists *really* like
about this paragraph is that you can copy it almost verbatim to your
article :-)

> >>- give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning
> >> talks'
> >
> >This would be nice to do, and we can actually come up with an approximate
> >figure. Though I think the track thing already helps there. Perhaps we
> >should say something about the tracks being *parallel*. :)
> 
> I'll provide a number and mention parallel.
> 
> I've updated:
> 
>   http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease

very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little:

'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7 tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and
Language track, summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts. Additionally there are tutorials, 
presentations, lightning talks and 'birds of a feather' sessions. ...

it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-)

greetings,

    holger



From paul@zope.com  Mon May 20 21:27:46 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:27:46 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net>
Message-ID: <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com>

holger@trillke.net wrote:
 > very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little:
 >
 > 'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7
 > tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track,
 > summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts.
 > Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and
 > 'birds of a feather' sessions. ...
 >
 > it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-)

Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true.  I'm not a stickler for truth, 
though, when it comes to press releases. :^)

--Paul




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon May 20 21:42:19 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:42:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> holger@trillke.net wrote:
> > very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little:
> >
> > 'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7
> > tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track,
> > summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts.
> > Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and
> > 'birds of a feather' sessions. ...
> >
> > it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-)
> 
> Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true.  I'm not a stickler for truth, 
> though, when it comes to press releases. :^)

I wouldn't put in the 100; I think 30 talks with 7 tracks, and then on 
top of that lightning talks and BoFs, is impressive enough.
Possibly saying something about the 3 parallel session program would be
nice.

Oh, and we didn't count the 2 keynotes in the 30+ figure, so I think we can
reach 'more than 35' :)

Regards,

Martijn




From paul@zope.com  Mon May 20 21:52:25 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:52:25 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com>

I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any 
last-minute critical corrections.

I'm heading off for 7 days in France this Wednesday evening, and I'd 
like to get the process started for distributing the press release 
before I leave.  NicolasC also needs time to make the last minute 
changes to the French version.

Any other translators available?

Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east 
coast U.S.) for comments.  I'll begin distribution then.

Thanks for all the input, everyone, especially Holger!

--Paul

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
>>holger@trillke.net wrote:
>>
>>>very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little:
>>>
>>>'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7
>>>tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track,
>>>summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts.
>>>Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and
>>>'birds of a feather' sessions. ...
>>>
>>>it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-)
>>
>>Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true.  I'm not a stickler for truth, 
>>though, when it comes to press releases. :^)
> 
> 
> I wouldn't put in the 100; I think 30 talks with 7 tracks, and then on 
> top of that lightning talks and BoFs, is impressive enough.
> Possibly saying something about the 3 parallel session program would be
> nice.
> 
> Oh, and we didn't count the 2 keynotes in the 30+ figure, so I think we can
> reach 'more than 35' :)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 20 22:28:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:28:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com>
Message-ID: <047a01c20045$4196cae0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Is ok for me.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Everitt" <paul@zope.com>
To: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release


>
> I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any
> last-minute critical corrections.
>
> I'm heading off for 7 days in France this Wednesday evening, and I'd
> like to get the process started for distributing the press release
> before I leave.  NicolasC also needs time to make the last minute
> changes to the French version.
>
> Any other translators available?
>
> Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east
> coast U.S.) for comments.  I'll begin distribution then.
>
> Thanks for all the input, everyone, especially Holger!
>
> --Paul
>
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> > Paul Everitt wrote:
> >
> >>holger@trillke.net wrote:
> >>
> >>>very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little:
> >>>
> >>>'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7
> >>>tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track,
> >>>summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts.
> >>>Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and
> >>>'birds of a feather' sessions. ...
> >>>
> >>>it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-)
> >>
> >>Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true.  I'm not a stickler for truth,
> >>though, when it comes to press releases. :^)
> >
> >
> > I wouldn't put in the 100; I think 30 talks with 7 tracks, and then on
> > top of that lightning talks and BoFs, is impressive enough.
> > Possibly saying something about the 3 parallel session program would be
> > nice.
> >
> > Oh, and we didn't count the 2 keynotes in the 30+ figure, so I think we
can
> > reach 'more than 35' :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From paul@zope.com  Mon May 20 22:28:16 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:28:16 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com>

I can get started on this.  I think it will be important for a couple of 
other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly.

--Paul

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish
> interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up
> to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open source
> news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with at 
> least a part of our target audience (open source developers).
> 
> So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews
> a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts.
> 
> If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or
> irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of tracks
> we have (one and a half interview per track :).
> 
> How does that sound?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon May 20 22:34:52 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:34:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
In-Reply-To: <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com>
References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020520213452.GA30678@vet.uu.nl>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> I can get started on this.  I think it will be important for a couple of 
> other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly.

Okay, the Python Applications and Python Language track agree. :)

I can interview some stuff for the Zope track: Stephan Richter (easy access),
I can also easily get to Moshe/Itamar for the Twisted talk on the Python
Apps track on irc, and obviously I can contact the others.

And someone can interview me as well if they like. We should probably have
an interview with Guido and ESR to draw in some hits. We can get them
to say something so outrageous we can submit it to slashdot! ;) If we do,
we should warn Amaze they can expect some hits though.. :)   

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Mon May 20 22:35:49 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:35:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
In-Reply-To: <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com>
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com>
Message-ID: <20020520213549.GB30678@vet.uu.nl>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any 
> last-minute critical corrections.
> 
[snip]
> Any other translators available?
> 
> Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east 
> coast U.S.) for comments.  I'll begin distribution then.

Will we have a text only version then as well?

I can send it off to some python channels and lwn, linuxtoday, newsforge
and such.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 20 22:46:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:46:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com> <20020520213452.GA30678@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <04c301c20048$28421560$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Paul Everitt wrote:
> > I can get started on this.  I think it will be important for a couple of
> > other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly.
>
> Okay, the Python Applications and Python Language track agree. :)
>
> I can interview some stuff for the Zope track: Stephan Richter (easy
access),
> I can also easily get to Moshe/Itamar for the Twisted talk on the Python
> Apps track on irc, and obviously I can contact the others.
>
> And someone can interview me as well if they like. We should probably have
> an interview with Guido and ESR to draw in some hits. We can get them
> to say something so outrageous we can submit it to slashdot! ;) If we do,
> we should warn Amaze they can expect some hits though.. :)

I think that all tracks will agree, don't see why not.
Let's do it, do it, do it, do it.

We _need_ advertisement

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 20 22:49:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:49:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release
References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com> <20020520213549.GB30678@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <04c801c20048$2b3f9df0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Paul Everitt wrote:
> >
> > I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any
> > last-minute critical corrections.
> >
> [snip]
> > Any other translators available?
> >
> > Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east
> > coast U.S.) for comments.  I'll begin distribution then.
>
> Will we have a text only version then as well?

We need as much as different version as possible.
The press release should be send to every possible channel.

> I can send it off to some python channels and lwn, linuxtoday, newsforge
and such.

I encourge, that once the final press-release is available (tomorrow
morning), everybody
uses his/her own resources/channels to attract as many people as possible

> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython





From sf@fermigier.com  Tue May 21 08:20:27 2002
From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:20:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
In-Reply-To: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl>; from faassen@vet.uu.nl on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:55:47PM +0200
References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020521092026.A58147@math.jussieu.fr>

On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:55:47PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
>=20
> One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish
> interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up
> to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open sourc=
e
> news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with a=
t=20
> least a part of our target audience (open source developers).
>=20
> So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews
> a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts.
>=20
> If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or
> irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of =
tracks
> we have (one and a half interview per track :).
>=20
> How does that sound?

Great idea.

Plus interviews are of great value, even for those who won't be able to m=
ake
it to the conference.

	S.

--=20
St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile).
http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/
"Amazon: we patent the dot in .com"



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 10:02:52 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:02:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews?
In-Reply-To: <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211102240.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I can get started on this.  I think it will be important for a couple of 
> other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly.

I'll try to do that for the Python & Science track and will let the list
know how it goes...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 10:17:33 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:17:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Science specialist [babu@bessy.de: Question]
In-Reply-To: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211116290.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Nicolas will you take care of this mail ?

Done. I offered him to present a lightning talk. I already have a couple
of them, I'll need to synchronize that with the other people that have
some. Anyone here does ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 11:33:13 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:33:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks start time and duration.
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211231280.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hi,

For the Python & Science track, I have planned on 30 mn talks (3 per
session), but the form will not let me enter start times for talks that do
not last 45 mn (i.e. there is 11am, then 11:45am, but no 11:30am).

Could someone please fix that or let me know how to fix it ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 11:36:49 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:36:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks start time and duration.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211231280.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211236320.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Could someone please fix that or let me know how to fix it ?

I just found how to fix it :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 11:44:32 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:44:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interview procedure
Message-ID: <20020521104432.GA31833@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

If we're indeed going ahead with interviews (we have the Python Language
Track, Python Apss Track, Zope track and Science and Industry track in
favor at the moment), then we need to make some plans on how we conduct,
format and publish them.

Publication won't be that hard if we format them right. Something very
simple that a script can HTML-ize seems enough. Let's say:

name:
question

name:
answer

with empty lines between question and answer segments. Name can be an
abbreviation/first name if we have a segment on top explaining them.
Perhaps we should call the person who asks the questions 'europython' so
people don't miss what it is about. :)

Interviews can be 'conducted' in email or on irc. Procedure would be for
the interviewer to slightly edit the interview and send it back to the
interviewee for approval, then if approval is in we can go ahead and publish 
it on the site. We need a small 'press release' type thing we can send
off to the various news sites to announce the new interview.

I imagine conducting it remotely will be the normal pattern; perhaps
even the best that people don't interview people they know too well already,
or they won't ask the right questions (making too many assumptions about
stuff they know about already, perhaps), though at the same time they
shouldn't be entirely new to the subject matter either, or they won't
ask the right questions either. :)

We should come up with some 'stock questions' we can use to get interviews
started. We should look at other interviews for this. Anyone on the list
have experience with conducting interviews?

We definitely need interviews of Guido and ESR if at all possible. Next
would be for various other people listed on the front page, and so on.

Regards,

Martijn




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 11:56:31 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:56:31 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment on timetable
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211252290.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hello,

In order to organize the Python&Science track I had to read the timetable
several times and my conclusion is that it would be nicer if we could
remove the legend and put the names of the tracks directly in the chart,
as it is for "Zope3 Tutorial". The way it is now, you always have to
switch back and forth from the legend to the chart to figure out what is
specific session is about. 6 different colors is too many for normal human
beings to remember in one glance.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 12:08:52 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:08:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Comment on timetable
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211252290.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEA2AC4.9060107@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> In order to organize the Python&Science track I had to read the timetable
> several times and my conclusion is that it would be nicer if we could
> remove the legend and put the names of the tracks directly in the chart,
> as it is for "Zope3 Tutorial". The way it is now, you always have to
> switch back and forth from the legend to the chart to figure out what is
> specific session is about. 6 different colors is too many for normal human
> beings to remember in one glance.

+1.

I think Tom is already working on this, since we discussed this
some meetings ago.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 13:09:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:09:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release
Message-ID: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch?

Regards,
Tom.






From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 13:15:24 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:15:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release
References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEA3A5C.4030509@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch?

It looks ok to me... if there's anything we forgot, we can
have a reminder release to the mailing lists later on in
June.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From paul@zope.com  Tue May 21 13:17:07 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:17:07 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release
References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEA3AC3.2010209@zope.com>

I had a deadline this morning (now) for final comments.  So I think the 
answer is yes.  We'll start in the next few hours to distribute it.

--Paul

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch?
> 
> Regards,
> Tom.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 13:28:13 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:28:13 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
In-Reply-To: <200205211200.g4LC0ulX001212@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211423320.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 21 May 2002, Laura Creighton wrote:

> Somebody at AB Strakt wants to give one on 'what we are doing at AB Strakt'.
> Whom do we register with?
> 
> Laura

Hi Folks,

Laura just sent me this note. So far, it appears that no one took care of
LTalks [wait, Paul Everitt is listed as track champion]. Now that I'm
almost done with the Python&Science track, I'm stepping forward and
offering to take care of the LTalks.

Is this OK with everyone ?

Unless someone disagrees, I will help Paul take care of this and from now
on be known as "The other Lightning Talks Track Champion" :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 13:41:17 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:41:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release
In-Reply-To: <3CEA3AC3.2010209@zope.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211430460.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I had a deadline this morning (now) for final comments.  So I think the 
> answer is yes.  We'll start in the next few hours to distribute it.

I just edited it a tiny bit : 

 * reordered keynoters (BDFL first)

 * removed contact names that were not active on the list recently
(Nicolas Pettiaux, Stéfane Fermigier, Tim Couper). I suppose that if they
don't have much time at the moment, getting calls regarding the
organization will be a bother.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 13:49:41 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:49:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211423320.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEA4265.1060504@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Laura Creighton wrote:
> 
> 
>>Somebody at AB Strakt wants to give one on 'what we are doing at AB Strakt'.
>>Whom do we register with?
>>
>>Laura
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Laura just sent me this note. So far, it appears that no one took care of
> LTalks [wait, Paul Everitt is listed as track champion]. Now that I'm
> almost done with the Python&Science track, I'm stepping forward and
> offering to take care of the LTalks.
> 
> Is this OK with everyone ?
> 
> Unless someone disagrees, I will help Paul take care of this and from now
> on be known as "The other Lightning Talks Track Champion" :-)

+1

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 13:56:23 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:56:23 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211449340.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hi,

I'm getting ready to send more information about the conference to the
speakers of the Python&Science Track and since there isn't much about it
in the wiki, I need answers to the following questions :

> 2. What is the infrastrucure (PC,projector,flip-over...) ? For
> example, is it possible to come with a PowerPoint file on a diskette ?
>
> 3. Do you plan to have proceedings ? I yes, I need guidelines about
> paper formatting.
>
> 4. I have heard that speakers don't pay the entrance. Can I consider
> that I am automatically enrolled, or is there a special registration
> form to fill in ?

My guesses are :

2. No. If you make it with PowerPoint, export it to PNG. Send it as soon
as it is ready for us to prepare the CD (see below). We'll have a laptop
connected to a beamer. If you send your material in advance, it will be
waiting for you on the laptop.

3. Yes. A CD will be distributed to participants and a website will let
people download content.

4. "non-lightning" speakers don't pay the entrance. You are automatically
enrolled. No special form to fill in.

Am I right ?

--
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From paul@zope.com  Tue May 21 13:57:12 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:57:12 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211423320.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com>

FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list 
and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org.  There is a page 
in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk speakers. 
  Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the direction of 
giving lightning talks.

--Paul

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Laura Creighton wrote:
> 
> 
>>Somebody at AB Strakt wants to give one on 'what we are doing at AB Strakt'.
>>Whom do we register with?
>>
>>Laura
> 
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Laura just sent me this note. So far, it appears that no one took care of
> LTalks [wait, Paul Everitt is listed as track champion]. Now that I'm
> almost done with the Python&Science track, I'm stepping forward and
> offering to take care of the LTalks.
> 
> Is this OK with everyone ?
> 
> Unless someone disagrees, I will help Paul take care of this and from now
> on be known as "The other Lightning Talks Track Champion" :-)
> 






From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 13:57:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:57:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
Message-ID: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>

Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing
a few tracks:

* Python Language
* Python Tutorials
* Python Applications

We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes
out !

To the track champions of those tracks: please add the talk
information today.

The URL for adding talks is:
	http://europython.zope.nl/Talks (login is required).

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 13:58:01 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:58:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
In-Reply-To: <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211457070.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list 
> and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org.  There is a page 
> in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk speakers. 

I added some stuff there.

>   Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the direction of 
> giving lightning talks.

Good, I've been doing the same.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 14:13:12 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:13:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211449340.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEA47E8.4050908@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm getting ready to send more information about the conference to the
> speakers of the Python&Science Track and since there isn't much about it
> in the wiki, I need answers to the following questions :
> 
> 
>>2. What is the infrastrucure (PC,projector,flip-over...) ? For
>>example, is it possible to come with a PowerPoint file on a diskette ?
>>
>>3. Do you plan to have proceedings ? I yes, I need guidelines about
>>paper formatting.
>>
>>4. I have heard that speakers don't pay the entrance. Can I consider
>>that I am automatically enrolled, or is there a special registration
>>form to fill in ?
> 
> 
> My guesses are :
> 
> 2. No. If you make it with PowerPoint, export it to PNG. Send it as soon
> as it is ready for us to prepare the CD (see below). We'll have a laptop
> connected to a beamer. If you send your material in advance, it will be
> waiting for you on the laptop.

For the CD we'll need either HTML or PDF (the latter is much preferred).

Assuming that the track champions can provide a notebook to use
for the presentation, you can also bring along the PowerPoint
file (make sure that that you include the fonts in that file).

For the business track this will certainly be possible.

> 3. Yes. A CD will be distributed to participants and a website will let
> people download content.

Note that it won't be distributed in the sense of "here's the CD".
We'll provide an ISO image which you can download to burn
the CD yourself.

> 4. "non-lightning" speakers don't pay the entrance. You are automatically
> enrolled. No special form to fill in.

Right.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 14:24:59 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:24:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <3CEA47E8.4050908@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211524090.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

I stored answers at 

	http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceMaterial

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 14:41:21 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:41:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211524090.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEA4E81.3090702@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> I stored answers at 
> 
> 	http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceMaterial
> 

I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the
standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From seb@jamkit.com  Tue May 21 15:46:13 2002
From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:46:13 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211423320.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3CEA5DB5.3000100@jamkit.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list 
> and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org.  There is a page 
> in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk speakers. 
>  Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the direction of giving 
> lightning talks.
> 
> --Paul

Hi folks,

Just surfacing having not had time to contribute anything lately.

I could put together some Zope lightning talks.  Ideas which spring to 
mind are 'making the CMF usable', 'building a business on Zope', 'Zope 
advocacy'...

The only thing is, I'm not sure yet that I can make it to the conference..!

Should I put my ideas on the Wiki?  When would the deadline be for 
committing myself to coming (apart from 'as soon as possible')?

seb




From paul@zope.com  Tue May 21 14:56:11 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:56:11 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211423320.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com> <3CEA5DB5.3000100@jamkit.com>
Message-ID: <3CEA51FB.2030501@zope.com>

All of these topics are fair game for lightning talks.

In my opinion, lightning talks shouldn't be planned to far in advance. 
I'd like to get about half the slots filled in the next few weeks, then 
reserve room for people that won't find out if they can attend until 
late in the process.

--Paul

seb bacon wrote:
> Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
>>
>> FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list 
>> and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org.  There is a page 
>> in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk 
>> speakers.  Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the 
>> direction of giving lightning talks.
>>
>> --Paul
> 
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> Just surfacing having not had time to contribute anything lately.
> 
> I could put together some Zope lightning talks.  Ideas which spring to 
> mind are 'making the CMF usable', 'building a business on Zope', 'Zope 
> advocacy'...
> 
> The only thing is, I'm not sure yet that I can make it to the conference..!
> 
> Should I put my ideas on the Wiki?  When would the deadline be for 
> committing myself to coming (apart from 'as soon as possible')?
> 
> seb
> 






From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 15:24:57 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:24:57 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk
In-Reply-To: <3CEA51FB.2030501@zope.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211624370.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> In my opinion, lightning talks shouldn't be planned to far in advance. 
> I'd like to get about half the slots filled in the next few weeks, then 
> reserve room for people that won't find out if they can attend until 
> late in the process.

ok.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 16:02:03 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:02:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release
In-Reply-To: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020521150203.GA32534@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch?

Again it is essential we contact ESR before we announce he'll give our
keynote.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 16:06:44 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:06:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing
> a few tracks:
> 
> * Python Language
> * Python Tutorials
> * Python Applications
> 
> We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes
> out !

You mean you need the data to be public? I did not realize that this was
the case. Is this a new requirement for the press release? (I thought
online registration was the main thing holding us up)

I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we 
haven't assigned specific times yet.

Um, I'll try to accomplish this tonight..

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 16:09:09 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:09:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020521150909.GC32534@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing
> a few tracks:
> 
> * Python Language
> * Python Tutorials
> * Python Applications
> 
> We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes
> out !

Looking at the public view at:

http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks

I see that various talks are actually not scheduled in yet, having a
time of 00. I can easily publicize this information, except for one or two 
talks still in flux on the Python Language track which I can add later.
Also the day information on the Python Language track will still not
be done (either day 1 or 2, as it spans days).

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 16:17:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:17:36 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release
References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020521150203.GA32534@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <028601c200da$b5010a50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Denis,

Have you contacted EST already on this topic? Or did he already knew that he
was asked for a keynote.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:02 PM
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch?
>
> Again it is essential we contact ESR before we announce he'll give our
> keynote.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 16:21:30 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:21:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing
>>a few tracks:
>>
>>* Python Language
>>* Python Tutorials
>>* Python Applications
>>
>>We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes
>>out !
> 
> 
> You mean you need the data to be public? I did not realize that this was
> the case. Is this a new requirement for the press release? (I thought
> online registration was the main thing holding us up)

That too, but the talk descriptions is what people will look
at to judge whether it's worth coming or not...

> I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we 
> haven't assigned specific times yet.

Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface.

> Um, I'll try to accomplish this tonight..

Great.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 16:22:06 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:22:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020521152206.GD32534@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 	http://europython.zope.nl/Talks (login is required).

Argh, I seem to have the greatest difficulty actually getting to an
overview where I can *edit* the talks today. I've always had trouble
with this user interface, but today it seems to be completely 
obscure (I always had to be lucky to get there in some way I don't
understand). The default add page doesn't have a link to the list,
the link that appears at the bottom after I add a dummy track which
*should* bring me back to the list just brings me to the add page, and
I don't know what's going on..

Can someone help me? I can get 2 different overviews but none where I can
edit.

[mess around for 5 more minutes, shut down web browser, mess around more..]

Um, *there* it is. I don't know how I actually go there, except
that it is pretty weird. The Talks URL goes sometimes to the Add screen,
but sometimes to the Edit screen. Bizarre.

Regards,

Martijn




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 16:24:16 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:24:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150909.GC32534@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CEA66A0.2000208@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing
>>a few tracks:
>>
>>* Python Language
>>* Python Tutorials
>>* Python Applications
>>
>>We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes
>>out !
> 
> 
> Looking at the public view at:
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks
> 
> I see that various talks are actually not scheduled in yet, having a
> time of 00. I can easily publicize this information, except for one or two 
> talks still in flux on the Python Language track which I can add later.
> Also the day information on the Python Language track will still not
> be done (either day 1 or 2, as it spans days).

Well, both time and content are important, but if you only have
content available, that's fine too.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 16:31:09 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:31:09 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <20020521152206.GD32534@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211730250.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > 	http://europython.zope.nl/Talks (login is required).
> 
> Argh, I seem to have the greatest difficulty actually getting to an
> overview where I can *edit* the talks today. I've always had trouble
> with this user interface, but today it seems to be completely 
> obscure (I always had to be lucky to get there in some way I don't
> understand). The default add page doesn't have a link to the list,
> the link that appears at the bottom after I add a dummy track which
> *should* bring me back to the list just brings me to the add page, and
> I don't know what's going on..
> 
> Can someone help me? I can get 2 different overviews but none where I can
> edit.

Try login in the ZMI first, then try editing the talks.
 
-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 16:41:19 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:41:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEA66A0.2000208@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150909.GC32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA66A0.2000208@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020521154119.GA417@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
[snip]
> >I see that various talks are actually not scheduled in yet, having a
> >time of 00. I can easily publicize this information, except for one or 
> >two talks still in flux on the Python Language track which I can add 
> >later.
> >Also the day information on the Python Language track will still not
> >be done (either day 1 or 2, as it spans days).
> 
> Well, both time and content are important, but if you only have
> content available, that's fine too.

The times will happen later today. The day indication on the Python
Language track is a bit in flux and I have a number of talks not
confirmed yet due to the Alex Martelli/tutorial track issue. Shae and
I will try to work this out tonight as well.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 16:49:41 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:49:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] blobs of text issue
Message-ID: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not
display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I have
various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty
line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but
that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either.

Regards,

Martijn




From Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Tue May 21 16:59:24 2002
From: Samuele Pedroni" <pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:59:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] wondering
Message-ID: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico>

from the press release:

"Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, 
the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language."

with just 1 talk does this makes sense?

regards.







From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 17:21:36 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:21:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] wondering
References: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <3CEA7410.6070205@lemburg.com>

Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> from the press release:
> 
> "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, 
> the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language."
> 
> with just 1 talk does this makes sense?

Sure. (Even though two talks would be twice as good ;-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 18:25:08 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:25:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <3CEA4E81.3090702@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211924350.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the
> standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ?

I did that, but now I need help to hook it up to the rest of the
site as I'm not used to Localizer...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 21 18:34:44 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:34:44 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211924350.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211934190.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 21 May 2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:

> > I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the
> > standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ?
> 
> I did that, but now I need help to hook it up to the rest of the
> site as I'm not used to Localizer...

Never mind, I eventually found out what piece of code had to be edited :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From lac@strakt.com  Tue May 21 19:21:26 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:21:26 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release
In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
 of "Tue, 21 May 2002 17:17:36 +0200." <028601c200da$b5010a50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020521150203.GA32534@vet.uu.nl>  <028601c200da$b5010a50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <200205211821.g4LILQ34002638@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Denis,
> 
> Have you contacted EST already on this topic? Or did he already knew that he
> was asked for a keynote.
> 
> Regards,
> Tom.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
> To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> Cc: <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:02 PM
> Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release
> 
> 
> > Tom Deprez wrote:
> > > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch?
> >
> > Again it is essential we contact ESR before we announce he'll give our
> > keynote.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tom mailing list
> > Tom@carolo.net
> > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

I know that ESR knows that he is giving the keynote.
And I don't know if he is home and reading email this week.

Laura Creighton



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 19:29:05 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:29:05 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Sorry, but it looks like all the mails were hold by the mail server...
argh!

> > I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we 
> > haven't assigned specific times yet.
> 
> Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface.

You've to set the talks status to 'accepted'!
 
> > Um, I'll try to accomplish this tonight..
> 
> Great.
> 
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 19:31:31 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:31:31 +0200
Subject: [Tom] [EuroPython] blobs of text issue
References: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <00b501c200f6$7da33d00$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Martijn,

> Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not
> display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I have
> various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty
> line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but
> that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either.

Go ahead and change it. You should be able to do it. You've access to the
user interface.

Tom

> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 19:46:02 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:46:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] fixing emails stuf
Message-ID: <00d801c200f7$c396d780$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Sorry for the email problems I'm having, I'm trying to fix them as soon as
possible.

Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 19:49:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:49:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] test
Message-ID: <00f001c200f8$487a76f0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Can somebody try to send an email to tom@aragne.com and tell me what happens
through tom.deprez@village.uunet.be?

Thanks,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 20:18:24 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:18:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Specific questions
Message-ID: <016001c200fc$4b5d00a0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Sorry for my mail troubles, I learned something new today :-)

Now, were there mails specific directed to me in which you need my
answer/help badly?

Again, sorry for the trouble,

Regards,
Tom






From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 20:29:03 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:29:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] wondering
In-Reply-To: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
References: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico>
Message-ID: <20020521192903.GA995@vet.uu.nl>

Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> from the press release:
> 
> "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, 
> the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language."
> 
> with just 1 talk does this makes sense?

Well, we still showcase it, but I agree two talks on Jython would've
been better.

Regards,

Martijn




From pedroni@inf.ethz.ch  Tue May 21 20:39:16 2002
From: pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:39:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] wondering
References: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <20020521192903.GA995@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <03ae01c200ff$3197fd20$6d94fea9@newmexico>

> Samuele Pedroni wrote:
> > from the press release:
> > 
> > "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, 
> > the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language."
> > 
> > with just 1 talk does this makes sense?
> 
> Well, we still showcase it, but I agree two talks on Jython would've
> been better.
> 

I was just checking, I never asked for Europython to
focus more on Jython. Tha's not an impulse
coming from my part.

So far it seems no Jython user is interested
in giving a talk.

On my part I continue not to see who would be the
audience for a Jython introduction.

regards.




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 20:57:36 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:57:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205211934190.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEAA6B0.2030808@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> 
> 
>>>I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the
>>>standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ?
>>
>>I did that, but now I need help to hook it up to the rest of the
>>site as I'm not used to Localizer...
> 
> 
> Never mind, I eventually found out what piece of code had to be edited :-)

Thanks. I wouldn't have known the answer anyway ;-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 21:02:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:02:06 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>>I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we 
>>>haven't assigned specific times yet.
>>
>>Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface.
> 
> 
> You've to set the talks status to 'accepted'!

Hmm, would be nice if this were documented on the interface
page somewhere...

BTW, I'd also like a way to edit existing entries -- haven't
found that interface yet...

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 21:50:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:50:46 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, so it
shouldn't be that easy :-))
Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it.
If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-)

Mmm, this should work :

Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage
and use your login information to get in.
Go to the index_html page.
Click on the view test tab
Now you should have your interface.

After you've logged in, this should work as well :
http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html

Regards, Tom



----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>; "EuroPython Mailing List"
<europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >>>I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we
> >>>haven't assigned specific times yet.
> >>
> >>Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface.
> >
> >
> > You've to set the talks status to 'accepted'!
>
> Hmm, would be nice if this were documented on the interface
> page somewhere...
>
> BTW, I'd also like a way to edit existing entries -- haven't
> found that interface yet...
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
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>
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From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 21:51:27 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:51:27 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, so it
> shouldn't be that easy :-))
> Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it.
> If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-)
> 
> Mmm, this should work :
> 
> Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage
> and use your login information to get in.
> Go to the index_html page.

Hmm, this gives me an error message:
Error Type: Undefined
Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header"


> Click on the view test tab
> Now you should have your interface.
>
> After you've logged in, this should work as well :
> http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html

.... and this shows page where I can add new
talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
link right next to it :-)

(or at least some sort of page which lists the records
together with edit and delete links)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 22:25:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:25:49 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <021d01c2010e$17804f50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

> > The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers,
so it
> > shouldn't be that easy :-))
> > Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it.
> > If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-)
> >
> > Mmm, this should work :
> >
> > Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage
> > and use your login information to get in.
> > Go to the index_html page.
>
> Hmm, this gives me an error message:
> Error Type: Undefined
> Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header"
>

Mmm, there we've that problem again....
Which browser do you use?

> > Click on the view test tab
> > Now you should have your interface.
> >
> > After you've logged in, this should work as well :
> > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
>
> .... and this shows page where I can add new
> talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
> link right next to it :-)

Well, the edit link should be there.....
It's not there because you're not logged in....
Can you log in at www.europython.org/manage ?

If so, log in like that and then enter the url

http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html

Tom.
> (or at least some sort of page which lists the records
> together with edit and delete links)

The edit links will only appear if you've managed to log in into zope.
That's kind of security... anonymous users only get to see the page without
the edit/delete links.

Tom.






From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 23:03:54 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:03:54 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020521220354.GA1697@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
[snip]
> Hmm, would be nice if this were documented on the interface
> page somewhere...
> 
> BTW, I'd also like a way to edit existing entries -- haven't
> found that interface yet...

There is a way, but it's sort of magically hidden; the same URL
sometimes does it, after you logged in, if you put a / after Talks.
Or something. Not always. I don't really understand..

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 21 23:07:08 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:07:08 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
[snip]
> Hmm, this gives me an error message:
> Error Type: Undefined
> Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header"

This is a bizarre Zope bug I've run into before. Quit your browser and
try again.
 
> >Click on the view test tab
> >Now you should have your interface.
> >
> >After you've logged in, this should work as well :
> >http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
> 
> .... and this shows page where I can add new
> talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
> link right next to it :-)

Right, the same url shows the other list sometimes, and sometimes this.
It is extraordinarily obscure. :)

> (or at least some sort of page which lists the records
> together with edit and delete links)

This page exists, it's just magic and appears and disappears...

Try a slash after Talks/ and see if that helps. And log in into
the Zope root first, so http://www.europython.org/manage 
I found that seemed to work for me..

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 23:14:55 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:14:55 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <030b01c20114$f156b380$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

> > .... and this shows page where I can add new
> > talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
> > link right next to it :-)
>
> Right, the same url shows the other list sometimes, and sometimes this.
> It is extraordinarily obscure. :)

nope, it only shows up when you're an authenticated user.... so if you
access the page as
anonymous user, then you don't see it. If you're logged in, then you should
see it.

> > (or at least some sort of page which lists the records
> > together with edit and delete links)
>
> This page exists, it's just magic and appears and disappears...
>
> Try a slash after Talks/ and see if that helps. And log in into
> the Zope root first, so http://www.europython.org/manage
> I found that seemed to work for me..
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 21 23:19:27 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:19:27 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <021d01c2010e$17804f50$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEAC7EF.6010302@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>>The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers,
>>
> so it
> 
>>>shouldn't be that easy :-))
>>>Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it.
>>>If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-)
>>>
>>>Mmm, this should work :
>>>
>>>Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage
>>>and use your login information to get in.
>>>Go to the index_html page.
>>
>>Hmm, this gives me an error message:
>>Error Type: Undefined
>>Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header"
>>
> 
> 
> Mmm, there we've that problem again....
> Which browser do you use?

Mozilla 1.0RC2

>>>Click on the view test tab
>>>Now you should have your interface.
>>>
>>>After you've logged in, this should work as well :
>>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
>>
>>.... and this shows page where I can add new
>>talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
>>link right next to it :-)
> 
> 
> Well, the edit link should be there.....
> It's not there because you're not logged in....
> Can you log in at www.europython.org/manage ?

Yep.

> If so, log in like that and then enter the url
> 
> http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html

I am logged in, but the page just lets me "add a talk",
not select any from a list.

> Tom.
> 
>>(or at least some sort of page which lists the records
>>together with edit and delete links)
> 
> 
> The edit links will only appear if you've managed to log in into zope.
> That's kind of security... anonymous users only get to see the page without
> the edit/delete links.

Hmm, could all this be related to using Mozilla ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 23:26:53 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:26:53 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <021d01c2010e$17804f50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAC7EF.6010302@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <056e01c20116$9e47d050$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

I've just tested this with Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 1 and it all
works...

What kind of wizardry is this?

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>; "EuroPython Mailing List"
<europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> >>>The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers,
> >>
> > so it
> >
> >>>shouldn't be that easy :-))
> >>>Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it.
> >>>If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-)
> >>>
> >>>Mmm, this should work :
> >>>
> >>>Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage
> >>>and use your login information to get in.
> >>>Go to the index_html page.
> >>
> >>Hmm, this gives me an error message:
> >>Error Type: Undefined
> >>Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header"
> >>
> >
> >
> > Mmm, there we've that problem again....
> > Which browser do you use?
>
> Mozilla 1.0RC2
>
> >>>Click on the view test tab
> >>>Now you should have your interface.
> >>>
> >>>After you've logged in, this should work as well :
> >>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
> >>
> >>.... and this shows page where I can add new
> >>talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
> >>link right next to it :-)
> >
> >
> > Well, the edit link should be there.....
> > It's not there because you're not logged in....
> > Can you log in at www.europython.org/manage ?
>
> Yep.
>
> > If so, log in like that and then enter the url
> >
> > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
>
> I am logged in, but the page just lets me "add a talk",
> not select any from a list.
>
> > Tom.
> >
> >>(or at least some sort of page which lists the records
> >>together with edit and delete links)
> >
> >
> > The edit links will only appear if you've managed to log in into zope.
> > That's kind of security... anonymous users only get to see the page
without
> > the edit/delete links.
>
> Hmm, could all this be related to using Mozilla ?
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 23:48:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:48:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] SUMMARY WEEK 20
Message-ID: <059701c2011a$c212baa0$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

What happened last week (week 20)?

* We created a new EuroPython2002 poster

* We announced the Booths page http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors
There are two different booths available... have a look at it and decide.
We think that everybody should be able to find something for his/her
needs.

* We announced the Sponsor page http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring
Yes, you can buy a page in the leaflet which will be created by ReportLab!

* We announced the talks page, which should now contain most talks
http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks

* ESR (Day 2) and Guido Van Rossum (Day 1) keynotes are confirmed

* Joachim and Tom  launched the registration page. If you haven't registered
yourself,
then do it now! This is you chance to say: "Yes!, we want such a conference"
https://secure.zope.nl/europython/Registration

* Paul Everitt, created a press-release which will be released this week
(week 21)

* Godefroid and Juan-David started to make the website multilingual.

* The main menu was cleaned up. Now you should find everything even better
;-)

* To _all_ Again, spread the word! We need all the help we can get!

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 21 23:58:25 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:58:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables
Message-ID: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok, 

Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now.
http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

Regards,
Tom.





From itamar@zoteca.com  Wed May 22 01:16:48 2002
From: itamar@zoteca.com (Itamar Shtull-Trauring)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 02:16:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful
Message-ID: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com>

Is how close the different hotels are to the conference center.

Also, maybe you could setup a wiki on the site? I'm sure people have all 
kinds of things they'd like to coordinate, e.g. sharing hotel rooms to 
save money, rides, questions, etc..




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 08:14:58 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:14:58 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CEB4572.5060903@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> [snip]
> 
>>Hmm, this gives me an error message:
>>Error Type: Undefined
>>Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header"
> 
> 
> This is a bizarre Zope bug I've run into before. Quit your browser and
> try again.
>  
> 
>>>Click on the view test tab
>>>Now you should have your interface.
>>>
>>>After you've logged in, this should work as well :
>>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
>>
>>.... and this shows page where I can add new
>>talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit
>>link right next to it :-)
> 
> 
> Right, the same url shows the other list sometimes, and sometimes this.
> It is extraordinarily obscure. :)
> 
> 
>>(or at least some sort of page which lists the records
>>together with edit and delete links)
> 
> 
> This page exists, it's just magic and appears and disappears...
> 
> Try a slash after Talks/ and see if that helps. And log in into
> the Zope root first, so http://www.europython.org/manage 
> I found that seemed to work for me..

Interesting. This seems to work for me as well.

Strange Zope world :-)

Thanks Martijn,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 08:17:02 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:17:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables
References: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEB45EE.1050407@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Ok, 
> 
> Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now.
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

Much better !

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 10:41:47 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:41:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful
In-Reply-To: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com>
References: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com>
Message-ID: <20020522094147.GA2808@vet.uu.nl>

Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> Is how close the different hotels are to the conference center.

I'd like to know this as well, even though we already made reservations
(Hotel Balladins).

> Also, maybe you could setup a wiki on the site? I'm sure people have all 
> kinds of things they'd like to coordinate, e.g. sharing hotel rooms to 
> save money, rides, questions, etc..

Hm, another wiki would be a good idea. I'll look at adding one.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 10:43:40 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:43:40 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEB4572.5060903@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl> <3CEB4572.5060903@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020522094340.GB2808@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Interesting. This seems to work for me as well.
> 
> Strange Zope world :-)

This isn't a Zope issue (we use it; we know :) but special to this particular
application. I mean, this 'add the slash thing' is really obscure and
not commonly encountered in Zope. And even *that* didn't always seem
to work for me.. Okay, enough bitching about the app for today!

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 10:49:18 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:49:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
Message-ID: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out
the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps 
a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.

What do people think?

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Wed May 22 11:00:11 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:00:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <045101c20177$76464d50$1e71a8c0@u10136>

+1

Regards,
Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:49 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..


> Hi there,
> 
> I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out
> the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps 
> a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.
> 
> What do people think?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 22 11:14:34 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:14:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
In-Reply-To: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <51930000.1022062473@[10.2.1.1]>

we shouldn't do it directly, but we can do the extension lets say on the=20
31. with another mail, that earlybird registration is extended for some=20
more days.


--On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 11:49:18 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20
<faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out
> the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps
> a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.
>
> What do people think?
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 11:43:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:43:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> <51930000.1022062473@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <049f01c2017d$7b475f50$1e71a8c0@u10136>

correct,
was my idea as well, but we must be sure to make it certain people will
notice it, thus a
new press release would be good
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
To: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] early bird..


> we shouldn't do it directly, but we can do the extension lets say on th=
e
> 31. with another mail, that earlybird registration is extended for some
> more days.
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 11:49:18 +0200 Martijn Faassen
> <faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send
out
> > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perha=
ps
> > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.
> >
> > What do people think?
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
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> Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 11:49:13 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:49:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out
> the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps 
> a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.
> 
> What do people think?

-1

I'd rather have people hurry up than to give them even more time
to think about attending or not.

If we don't get enough registrations per May 31 then we'll
have a serious budget problem. It's better to take action
regarding this early than too late.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 11:50:28 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ?
Message-ID: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com>

Paul, could you give us a progress report about the new
press release ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From paul@zope.com  Wed May 22 11:55:32 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 06:55:32 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release
 ?
References: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com>

This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out 
before leaving for 7 days.  Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on 
getting it into a number of channels.

I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got 
accomplished.

--Paul

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Paul, could you give us a progress report about the new
> press release ?
> 
> Thanks,






From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 22 12:41:58 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:41:58 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221341070.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 21 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> > After you've logged in, this should work as well :
> > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
> 
> .... and this shows page where I can add new talks. I would like a
> list of talks with an edit link right next to it :-)

Been there. You have to be _logged_in_ in order to get the interface you
want.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 22 12:46:10 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:46:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables
In-Reply-To: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221345550.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now.
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

I like it much better. Thanks.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 12:48:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:48:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ?
References: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com> <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com>
Message-ID: <051f01c20186$8633eab0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Everybody agreed on it, so I think you can safely send it to all possible
channels.

Regards,
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Everitt" <paul@zope.com>
To: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
Cc: "EuroPython Mailing List" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ?


>
> This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out
> before leaving for 7 days.  Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on
> getting it into a number of channels.
>
> I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got
> accomplished.
>
> --Paul
>
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> > Paul, could you give us a progress report about the new
> > press release ?
> >
> > Thanks,
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 22 13:00:21 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:00:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
In-Reply-To: <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221400110.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out
> > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps 
> > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.
> > 
> > What do people think?
> 
> -1
> 
> I'd rather have people hurry up than to give them even more time
> to think about attending or not.
> 
> If we don't get enough registrations per May 31 then we'll
> have a serious budget problem. It's better to take action
> regarding this early than too late.

Same here.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 13:01:29 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:01:29 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221341070.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
> 
>>>After you've logged in, this should work as well :
>>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html
>>
>>.... and this shows page where I can add new talks. I would like a
>>list of talks with an edit link right next to it :-)
> 
> 
> Been there. You have to be _logged_in_ in order to get the interface you
> want.

I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations
and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in
under

	http://www.europython.org/manage

the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but
if you log in at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't
get to see the talks list under /Talks/; instead the
add talk form shows.

Nevermind,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 22 13:01:53 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:01:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release
 ?
In-Reply-To: <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221401200.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Wed, 22 May 2002, Paul Everitt wrote:

> This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out 
> before leaving for 7 days.  Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on 
> getting it into a number of channels.
> 
> I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got 
> accomplished.

Tim Couper asked me to put his name back in. I'll do that right now.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 22 13:03:05 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:03:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221402130.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations
> and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in
> under
> 
> 	http://www.europython.org/manage
> 
> the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but if you log in
> at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't get to see the talks list
> under /Talks/; instead the add talk form shows.

Ok, I misunderstood you the first time. Then it could be because there is
a special User_Folder in /Talks/ but I'm no Zope Guru...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 13:11:31 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:11:31 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221341070.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <05a301c20189$cf37e790$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations
> and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in
> under
>
> http://www.europython.org/manage
>
> the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but
> if you log in at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't
> get to see the talks list under /Talks/; instead the
> add talk form shows.

_Last_ time I will mention this :

Yes, the manager user interface has its flaws, but remember as well that
Joachim has
set it up in a few days, so.... :

If you are logged in as manager:

Then you can edit/delete the talks
You can't enter the registration page itself.
Well, you can enter the registration page as well, but then you shouldn't go
to index_html, but to another page...

If you are not logged in, thus anonymous:

Then you can not edit/delete talks
but you can enter the registration page

Joachim made some adjustments but hasn't updated them yet.

I hope that this is the _last_ time I've to say this again.
Think on the fact that you at least _have_ these tools.

Regards,
Tom




From denis@aragne.com  Wed May 22 13:18:31 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:18:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful
In-Reply-To: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com>
References: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com>
Message-ID: <20020522141831.A24619@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 22, 2002 at 02:16:48AM +0200, Itamar Shtull-Trauring pianota:
> Is how close the different hotels are to the conference center.

I fear none of them are close enough for going on foot (excepted if you
like doing some sport in the morning).

I already told to some of you that your best bet is to reserve in a
hotel next to Charleroi center-town so that you can walk your way back
to the hotel in the evening.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 22 13:23:59 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:23:59 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
In-Reply-To: <05a301c20189$cf37e790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221419300.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Joachim made some adjustments but hasn't updated them yet.
> 
> I hope that this is the _last_ time I've to say this again.
> Think on the fact that you at least _have_ these tools.

Tom and Joachim,

I don't think anyone was trying to whine about the tools. IMHO, everyone
here is very happy to have these tools and thankful for them. But at some
point, you have to get work done, hence the questions about "How do I get
it to work ?".

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 13:24:30 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:24:30 +0200
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205221341070.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com> <05a301c20189$cf37e790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CEB8DFE.9010400@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations
>>and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in
>>under
>>
>>http://www.europython.org/manage
>>
>>the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but
>>if you log in at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't
>>get to see the talks list under /Talks/; instead the
>>add talk form shows.
> 
> 
> _Last_ time I will mention this :
> 
> Yes, the manager user interface has its flaws, but remember as well that
> Joachim has
> set it up in a few days, so.... :
> 
> If you are logged in as manager:
> 
> Then you can edit/delete the talks
> You can't enter the registration page itself.
> Well, you can enter the registration page as well, but then you shouldn't go
> to index_html, but to another page...
> 
> If you are not logged in, thus anonymous:
> 
> Then you can not edit/delete talks
> but you can enter the registration page
> 
> Joachim made some adjustments but hasn't updated them yet.
> 
> I hope that this is the _last_ time I've to say this again.

Tom, the point is not logged in vs. not logged in. It's
about logged in at root level (/) or at a different level,
e.g. /Registration/. (I am always talking about the logged
in state.)

That's what I found strange.

> Think on the fact that you at least _have_ these tools.

Anyway, thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 13:26:32 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:26:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release
 ?
References: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com> <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com>
Message-ID: <3CEB8E78.3090400@lemburg.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out 
> before leaving for 7 days.  Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on 
> getting it into a number of channels.
> 
> I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got 
> accomplished.

Ok, thanks.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From denis@aragne.com  Wed May 22 13:28:44 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:28:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables
In-Reply-To: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020522142843.B24619@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:58:25AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> 
> Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now.
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

Nice, and they print alright.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Wed May 22 13:45:08 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:45:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird..
In-Reply-To: <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com>
References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020522144508.C24619@carolo.net>

Le Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:49:13PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> >perhaps a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture.
> >
> >What do people think?
> 
> -1
> 
> I'd rather have people hurry up than to give them even more time
> to think about attending or not.
> 
> If we don't get enough registrations per May 31 then we'll
> have a serious budget problem. It's better to take action
> regarding this early than too late.

Agreed. Let's keep it like this up to the end of the month.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From twisted@itamarst.org  Wed May 22 14:12:54 2002
From: twisted@itamarst.org (Itamar Shtull-Trauring)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:12:54 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful
References: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> <20020522141831.A24619@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3CEB9956.3000704@itamarst.org>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:

> I already told to some of you that your best bet is to reserve in a
> hotel next to Charleroi center-town so that you can walk your way back
> to the hotel in the evening.

Well, which hotels are those? And having the info on the website was what
I meant, actually.





From itamar@maximam.com  Wed May 22 14:58:26 2002
From: itamar@maximam.com (Itamar Shtull-Trauring)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:58:26 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
Message-ID: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>

These are quotes from a conversation:

<awoman> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field
<awoman> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here"
<awoman> which certinly exmpains a lot...
<itamar> I'm gonna write the europython list about that
<awoman> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will flirt 
with me!

So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." is 
not good.





From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 15:08:25 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:08:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>
Message-ID: <20020522140825.GA3728@vet.uu.nl>

Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> These are quotes from a conversation:
> 
> <awoman> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field
> <awoman> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here"
> <awoman> which certinly exmpains a lot...
> <itamar> I'm gonna write the europython list about that
> <awoman> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will 
> flirt with me!
> 
> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." 
> is not good.

+1

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 15:12:40 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:12:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?
Message-ID: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I looked at the EuroPython site but I'm a bit unfamiliar with it; I
am trying to update the press release on the europython.org website.
It's all a bit multilingual and I'm not sure how to proceed. Do I make
a new folder? How do I get it to be referred to on the homepage? Can
somehow help here?

Regards,

Martijn




From paul@zope.com  Wed May 22 15:36:41 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:36:41 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] UPDATE: Pushing out the press release
Message-ID: <3CEBACF9.7000807@zope.com>

FYI, Martijn and I have sent the press release to comp.lang.python and 
comp.lang.python.announce, zope-announce, LWN, LinuxToday, and NewsForge.

Thanks go to Stephan Richter for the following:

"""
Sent to Software & Support Verlag (Nadja Rossmann - chief editor), 
publishers of the German magazines "Linux Enterprise" (for which I write 
a lot), "Java Magazine" and "Der Entwickler".
"""

When the URL gets up on europython.org, we'll make a second push.

--Paul




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 15:39:58 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:39:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
Message-ID: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I just whipped up a very simple page with a cleaned up version of
the HTML produced by the wiki, here:

http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517

It's only in English with very basic HTML, but it works. We're going to
send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of
the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it
or something).

Regards,

Martijn




From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 22 15:35:50 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:35:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>
Message-ID: <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 16:58:26 +0300 Itamar Shtull-Trauring=20
<itamar@maximam.com> wrote:

> These are quotes from a conversation:
>
> <awoman> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field
> <awoman> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here"
> <awoman> which certinly exmpains a lot...
> <itamar> I'm gonna write the europython list about that
> <awoman> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will
> flirt with me!
>
> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs."
> is not good.

How do we refer to unmarried man then ?
Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ?

so -100


Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmitz
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 15:46:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:46:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>
Message-ID: <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Joachim, please, change Mrs. back to Ms. Like I did.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <itamar@maximam.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:58 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes


> These are quotes from a conversation:
>
> <awoman> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field
> <awoman> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here"
> <awoman> which certinly exmpains a lot...
> <itamar> I'm gonna write the europython list about that
> <awoman> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will
flirt
> with me!
>
> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs."
is
> not good.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 15:48:13 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:48:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?
References: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Just make a new folder.

Tom.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?


> Hi there,
> 
> I looked at the EuroPython site but I'm a bit unfamiliar with it; I
> am trying to update the press release on the europython.org website.
> It's all a bit multilingual and I'm not sure how to proceed. Do I make
> a new folder? How do I get it to be referred to on the homepage? Can
> somehow help here?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 15:50:29 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:50:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> How do we refer to unmarried man then ?

Unmarried man are also referred with Mr.

> Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ?

It has nothing to do with mariage. Ms is a common used for Mrs and Miss w=
hen
you're not
certain if the woman is single or married.

Tom.


> so -100
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen
> H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven
> Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1  1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6
> Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 15:57:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:57:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136>

I've moved it to the old press-release folder. The old press-release is
still there, but not available on the site.

Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and
Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it.
Shouldn't be a problem, since it is now a simple HTML file. If you prefer an
STX file, like before, let me know. (I liked it better)

The Press-Release can be accessed under:
http://www.europython.org/press_releases

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 4:39 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2


> Hi there,
>
> I just whipped up a very simple page with a cleaned up version of
> the HTML produced by the wiki, here:
>
> http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517
>
> It's only in English with very basic HTML, but it works. We're going to
> send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of
> the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it
> or something).
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 15:58:30 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:58:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com>

Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem",
nothing will happen.

Let's please stop discussing these minor issues and get on
with more important things like e.g. getting the word out.

Tom Deprez wrote:
>>How do we refer to unmarried man then ?
>=20
>=20
> Unmarried man are also referred with Mr.
>=20
>=20
>>Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ?
>=20
>=20
> It has nothing to do with mariage. Ms is a common used for Mrs and Miss=
 when
> you're not
> certain if the woman is single or married.
>=20
> Tom.
>=20
>=20
>=20
>>so -100
>>
>>
>>Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen
>>H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven
>>Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>>Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1  1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6
>>Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>EuroPython mailing list
>>EuroPython@python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>_______________________________________________
>>Tom mailing list
>>Tom@carolo.net
>>http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 15:59:55 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:59:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CEBB26B.2040700@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I just whipped up a very simple page with a cleaned up version of
> the HTML produced by the wiki, here:
> 
> http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517
> 
> It's only in English with very basic HTML, but it works. We're going to
> send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of
> the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it
> or something).

Looks fine.

One catch: some of the URLs have a trailing "." in them.
You'd better convert these to "/" to avoid problems.


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 16:00:40 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:00:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <20020522150040.GA3983@vet.uu.nl>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> >So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs."
> >is not good.
> 
> How do we refer to unmarried man then ?

'Mr'. See the earlier thread we had on this already, where this was pointed
out me, among other people.

> Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ?

> so -100

I do not think you understand. Like 'mr' is a title for a man, whether they're
married or not, 'ms' is a title for a woman, whether they're married or not.
If you insist on titles anyway, at *least* supply Mr. and Ms

Possibly you don't want to argue on this if you don't understand the
usages of these terms in English. That's okay, we're non-native speakers
but we had this discussion before.. We won't have enough women showing
up as it is, and we want to require they state their marital status? :)
(which is what 'miss' and 'mrs' as only selections implies). I would be fine
by ripping the whole selection out. If you care to know about the gender at 
all, put in a gender selection.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 16:07:49 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:07:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?
In-Reply-To: <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl> <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020522150749.GB3983@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Just make a new folder.

I already did :). Can you create a link on the homepage to it?
I don't know if we want to preserve the previous press releases; their
merit currently is that they have translated versions.
I don't want to mess with the pretty homepage, so please link it in whatever
way you decide is best. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 16:14:08 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:14:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020522151408.GA4111@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem",
> nothing will happen.

I cannot solve the problem as I don't want to screw up the registration
application I do not know anything about.

I can try to explain matters to people who can change the
registration application, but if they don't understand what's going on and
actually change things *back* from the correct way it was before, what is
one supposed to say? :) 

> Let's please stop discussing these minor issues and get on
> with more important things like e.g. getting the word out.

Sure, Paul and I have been working on that for the last couple of hours.
 
That doesn't mean we should ignore PR issues like this completely either.
This is presumably the *second* woman who complained already; do we want
women to show up at our conference at all if we're going to discourage,
say, 50% of those who would show up? :) In my mind this is not completely
unimportant.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 16:16:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:16:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?
References: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl> <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522150749.GB3983@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <00b901c201a3$b04d53f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

I've remade the press-release into STX (like the old one)
This is easier for people to translate.
Now it is the same as the previous one.

Regards,
Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Just make a new folder.
>
> I already did :). Can you create a link on the homepage to it?
> I don't know if we want to preserve the previous press releases; their
> merit currently is that they have translated versions.
> I don't want to mess with the pretty homepage, so please link it in
whatever
> way you decide is best. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 16:25:46 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:25:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> I've moved it to the old press-release folder. The old press-release is
> still there, but not available on the site.

This link:

> > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517

is now broken. I did say the following:

> > We're going to
> > send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of
> > the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it
> > or something).

trying to indicate please do not break this link.
I will put it back... it seems to be gone so I'll have to reconstruct it
from the HTML I have here.

Okay, it's back:

http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517

gets you results again. It wasn't a big deal as we hadn't distributed it a
lot yet.

What is the URL we should be using for the rest of the world? This one?

http://www.europython.org/press_releases 

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 16:27:30 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:27:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <3CEBB26B.2040700@lemburg.com>
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <3CEBB26B.2040700@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020522152730.GC4111@vet.uu.nl>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Looks fine.
> 
> One catch: some of the URLs have a trailing "." in them.
> You'd better convert these to "/" to avoid problems.

Looks like an issue with the conversion out of the wiki. I corrected
them.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 16:31:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:31:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?
References: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl> <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522150749.GB3983@vet.uu.nl> <00b901c201a3$b04d53f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <00e401c201a5$c2b6d9b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Ok, now it's final.
I've made myself a localised page of it. So people who want to translate can
do now through
localiser and not STX.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
To: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?


> I've remade the press-release into STX (like the old one)
> This is easier for people to translate.
> Now it is the same as the previous one.
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
> To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
> Cc: <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] updated press release on website?
>
>
> > Tom Deprez wrote:
> > > Just make a new folder.
> >
> > I already did :). Can you create a link on the homepage to it?
> > I don't know if we want to preserve the previous press releases; their
> > merit currently is that they have translated versions.
> > I don't want to mess with the pretty homepage, so please link it in
> whatever
> > way you decide is best. :)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 16:32:42 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:32:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <010201c201a5$e9c293f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> 
> What is the URL we should be using for the rest of the world? This one?
> 
> http://www.europython.org/press_releases 


Yup.... See web-page as well.

Tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 16:38:27 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:38:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Yuck what a stupid link....
sorry for deleting it, I only thought that I was still quick enough to
change it to
the usual place.

please use the one we used before : http://www.europython.org/press_releases
which was created for this in the first place.

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@vet.uu.nl>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:25 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > I've moved it to the old press-release folder. The old press-release is
> > still there, but not available on the site.
>
> This link:
>
> > > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517
>
> is now broken. I did say the following:
>
> > > We're going to
> > > send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version
of
> > > the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it
> > > or something).
>
> trying to indicate please do not break this link.
> I will put it back... it seems to be gone so I'll have to reconstruct it
> from the HTML I have here.
>
> Okay, it's back:
>
> http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517
>
> gets you results again. It wasn't a big deal as we hadn't distributed it a
> lot yet.
>
> What is the URL we should be using for the rest of the world? This one?
>
> http://www.europython.org/press_releases
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@carolo.net
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From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 22 16:39:44 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:39:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] blobs of text issue
In-Reply-To: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <18040000.1022081983@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

I just checked this and it seams that Tom already changed the display so it =

honors html-tags now.

--On Dienstag, Mai 21, 2002 17:49:41 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20
<faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not
> display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I have
> various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty
> line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but
> that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 16:45:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:45:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] blobs of text issue
References: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl> <18040000.1022081983@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <013501c201a7$bd9e9c90$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> Hi,
>
> I just checked this and it seams that Tom already changed the display s=
o
it
> honors html-tags now.

mmm, I didn't do anything special on that page lately...

Tom.

> --On Dienstag, Mai 21, 2002 17:49:41 +0200 Martijn Faassen
> <faassen@vet.uu.nl> wrote:
>
> > Hi there,
> >
> > Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not
> > display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I hav=
e
> > various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty
> > line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but
> > that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Martijn
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
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>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
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From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 22 16:49:11 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:49:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com>
 <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]>

sorry I mixed them up. I thought Mrs is Ms, I was confused ;-(
It is changed now. to Mr. and Ms.



--On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 16:46:51 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

> Joachim, please, change Mrs. back to Ms. Like I did.
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <itamar@maximam.com>
> To: <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:58 PM
> Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
>
>
>> These are quotes from a conversation:
>>
>> <awoman> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field
>> <awoman> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here"
>> <awoman> which certinly exmpains a lot...
>> <itamar> I'm gonna write the europython list about that
>> <awoman> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will
> flirt
>> with me!
>>
>> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only =
"Mrs."
> is
>> not good.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 16:54:23 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:54:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com> <20020522151408.GA4111@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CEBBF2F.6040302@lemburg.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> 
>>Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem",
>>nothing will happen.
> 
> 
> I cannot solve the problem as I don't want to screw up the registration
> application I do not know anything about.
> 
> I can try to explain matters to people who can change the
> registration application, but if they don't understand what's going on and
> actually change things *back* from the correct way it was before, what is
> one supposed to say? :) 

FYI, I've changed the Forms to display "Mr." vs. "Mrs./Ms.". That shouldn't
affect any database related sutff -- just the display of the data.
If that's not correct, feel free to fix it.

>>Let's please stop discussing these minor issues and get on
>>with more important things like e.g. getting the word out.
> 
> 
> Sure, Paul and I have been working on that for the last couple of hours.

Great !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 17:02:10 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:02:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <20020522160210.GA4447@vet.uu.nl>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> sorry I mixed them up. I thought Mrs is Ms, I was confused ;-(
> It is changed now. to Mr. and Ms.

Thanks! I hope Marc-Andre's change a few minutes before yours didn't
confuse things there..

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 17:13:02 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:13:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020522161302.GB4447@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Yuck what a stupid link....

I had to make something to push the URL out.

> sorry for deleting it, I only thought that I was still quick enough to
> change it to the usual place.

Not quite, though I think the only place it escaped is zope.org, so I
can adjust it there.

> please use the one we used before : http://www.europython.org/press_releases
> which was created for this in the first place.

I'll adjust the link on zope.org to that.

Thanks,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 17:19:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:19:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <018701c201ac$7edc88a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Thanks Joachim!

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>; "Itamar Shtull-Trauring"
<itamar@maximam.com>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:49 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefix=
es


> sorry I mixed them up. I thought Mrs is Ms, I was confused ;-(
> It is changed now. to Mr. and Ms.
>
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 16:46:51 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Joachim, please, change Mrs. back to Ms. Like I did.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Tom.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" <itamar@maximam.com>
> > To: <europython@python.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:58 PM
> > Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefix=
es
> >
> >
> >> These are quotes from a conversation:
> >>
> >> <awoman> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field
> >> <awoman> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here"
> >> <awoman> which certinly exmpains a lot...
> >> <itamar> I'm gonna write the europython list about that
> >> <awoman> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody wi=
ll
> > flirt
> >> with me!
> >>
> >> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only
"Mrs."
> > is
> >> not good.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> EuroPython mailing list
> >> EuroPython@python.org
> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 17:22:04 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:22:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] tests
Message-ID: <019b01c201ac$cf942370$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Joachim,

I'll remove your test entries in the registration database. Ok?

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Wed May 22 17:24:14 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:24:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] doubles in registration
Message-ID: <01af01c201ad$1ce4c580$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Marc-Andr=E9,

I believe you send a mail about this. I wouldn't remove the doubles from =
the
registration database.
This in case we need them to check things etc. (in case somebody also pay=
ed
twice, etc)

Regards,
Tom.




From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 22 17:39:19 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:39:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes
In-Reply-To: <3CEBBF2F.6040302@lemburg.com>
References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]>
 <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com>
 <20020522151408.GA4111@vet.uu.nl> <3CEBBF2F.6040302@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <12630000.1022085559@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 17:54:23 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"=20
<mal@lemburg.com> wrote:

> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>
>>> Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem",
>>> nothing will happen.
>>
>>
>> I cannot solve the problem as I don't want to screw up the registration
>> application I do not know anything about.
>>
>> I can try to explain matters to people who can change the
>> registration application, but if they don't understand what's going on
>> and actually change things *back* from the correct way it was before,
>> what is one supposed to say? :)
>
> FYI, I've changed the Forms to display "Mr." vs. "Mrs./Ms.". That
> shouldn't affect any database related sutff -- just the display of the
> data. If that's not correct, feel free to fix it.

I finally changed it back to Mr.and Ms. since it is used all over in things =

like:

dear "gender" "title" "firstname"

I also will update the existing records to contain the correct values.

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 21:03:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:03:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522161302.GB4447@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <010701c201cb$eeb58ea0$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Yuck what a stupid link....
>
> I had to make something to push the URL out.

Yes, this is something problemtic during the day, I might not always be
behind the computer. Thanks for taking initiative.

> > sorry for deleting it, I only thought that I was still quick enough to
> > change it to the usual place.
>
> Not quite, though I think the only place it escaped is zope.org, so I
> can adjust it there.

ok.

> > please use the one we used before :
http://www.europython.org/press_releases
> > which was created for this in the first place.
>
> I'll adjust the link on zope.org to that.

I fixed it already.

Regards,
Tom





From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 22 21:13:39 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:13:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] tests
In-Reply-To: <019b01c201ac$cf942370$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <019b01c201ac$cf942370$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <15210000.1022098419@[10.2.1.1]>

Yes go ahead,

you know how to do it ?


--On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 18:22:04 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

> Joachim,
>
> I'll remove your test entries in the registration database. Ok?
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May 22 21:20:12 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:20:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: Zope & Python webring
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPOEDADCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Hi Christopher,

I found your e-Mail as contact address on the python-and-zope webring
http://www.pythonandzope.com/.
Can you spread the word about EuroPython throu the mailing list of the
webring, if you have such?

The press release can be found under:
http://www.europython.org/press_releases

Regards,
Andrew






From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May 22 21:24:14 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:24:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEDBDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Hi,

I just sent the link to the press release with a short german description to
the following magazines:
- C'T
- iX
- Telepolis

I try to translate get the press release translated into german, but it may
take a day or two.

I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for attachment /
insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but to send just
the link.

Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks
aren't copied.

Regards,
Andrew




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 21:31:49 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:31:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag
 (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEDBDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com>

Andrew Smart wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just sent the link to the press release with a short german description to
> the following magazines:
> - C'T
> - iX
> - Telepolis
> 
> I try to translate get the press release translated into german, but it may
> take a day or two.
> 
> I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for attachment /
> insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but to send just
> the link.
> 
> Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks
> aren't copied.

Here you go:
"""
Subject: ANN: EuroPython 2002, June 26-28, Belgium

For immediate release.


             European Python and Zope Conference 2002
     Inaugural event for growing developer community in Europe
               Open source leaders to give keynotes

                      June 26-28, 2002
                     Charleroi, Belgium

                  http://www.europython.org

CHARLEROI, MAY 22 - The EuroPython and Zope Conference 2002 announces
the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe, held June 26-28
in Charleroi, Belgium.  With keynote speeches that include an original
leader of open source, the creator of Python, and the architect of
Zope, as well as major developer activities, the conference promises
to be a breakthrough event for open software in Europe.

Hundreds of new and experienced developers attending the conference
will see a full program, including:

    o Keynote by Guido van Rossum, creator of Python

    o Keynote by Eric Raymond, an originator of the open source movement
    and active Python developer

    o Tutorials and development sessions by Jim Fulton, architect of Zope
    and Chief Technology Officer at Zope Corporation

    o State of the Zope talk by Paul Everitt, co-founder of Zope
    Corporation

The conference program has over 30 presentations and tutorials in 7
tracks, including Python Language, Zope, Python In Science and
Industry, Python In Business, Python Applications, and Web Services.
Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the 100% pure
Java implementation of the Python language.  The program contains
tutorials, presentations, lightning talks, and "birds of a feather"
gatherings.  Additional events include a "sprint" for building Zope 3,
the next major version of Zope, as well as the first general member's
meeting of the EuroZope Foundation and a meeting of the Python
Business Forum.

EuroPython 2002 will be held in Charleroi, Belgium, a city close to
Brussels.  Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the
EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged.  Student
discounts are available.

The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open
source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag,
which each attracted thousands of attendees.  Like these conferences,
EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source
developers.

**About Python**

Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language
that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity
in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application
design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT
challenges.

More information, including the Python source code and binaries for
Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org.

**About Jython**

Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written
in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive
scriptability of Python to the world of Java.

More information, including the Jython source code and executables for
all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at
http://www.jython.org.

**About Zope**

Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in
content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope
Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has
become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and
application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of
which is written in Python.

More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for
Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.zope.org.

Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source
fashion by an international community of programmers and companies.

Contacts

    EuroPython Conference Team
    P3B c/o Aragne
    Boulevard General Michel 1E
    B-6000 Charleroi.

    Conference Organization: mailto:europython@p3b.org

International Contacts

    * Belgium

      * Denis Frere, mailto:denis@aragne.com,
        tel: +32(0)479.651.442

      * Tom Deprez, mailto:tom@aragne.com,
        tel: +32(0)2.479.63.88

    * France

      * Nicolas Chauvat, mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr,
        tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12

    * Germany

      * Marc-Andre Lemburg, mailto:mal@egenix.com,
        tel: +49(0)211.9304112

    * Netherlands

      * Martijn Faassen, mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl,
        tel: +31(0)10.243.7051

    * United Kingdom

      * Andy Robinson, mailto:andy@reportlab.com,
        tel: +44(0)7976.355742

      * Tim Couper, mailto:tim@2wave.net,
        tel: +44 (0)1582 463120

"""

If you need this as PDF, let me know.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 22 21:37:18 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:37:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag
 (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEDBDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de> <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CEC017E.3090800@lemburg.com>

> Andrew Smart wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>>
>> I just sent the link to the press release with a short german 
>> description to
>> the following magazines:
>> - C'T
>> - iX
>> - Telepolis

BTW, be sure to update the wiki page accordingly, so that the press
release doesn't get sent too often to the same resources.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 21:43:43 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:43:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] tests
References: <019b01c201ac$cf942370$1e71a8c0@u10136> <15210000.1022098419@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <01b801c201d1$a358e5a0$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>


>Yes go ahead,

>you know how to do it ?

yup, no problem

Tom.


--On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 18:22:04 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>
wrote:

> Joachim,
>
> I'll remove your test entries in the registration database. Ok?
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 21:45:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:45:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEDBDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <01b901c201d1$a6b83d40$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>


> I try to translate get the press release translated into german, but it
may
> take a day or two.

Would be nice. Do you need an explenation  of the localizer product?
Or do you just send it up so that we include it?

> I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for attachment /
> insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but to send
just
> the link.
>
> Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks
> aren't copied.

Looks like Marc-Andre send you already one. There is an STX version
available on the website as well.


Thanks for all your efforts!

Regards,
Tom.





From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May 22 22:11:38 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:11:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] AW: Press Release: Zope & Python webring
In-Reply-To: <1020522135911.209AAC/i.lozinski@maya>
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEDFDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Hi Chris,

thanks for the info. I think you mean that the Europython Conference website
should join the web ring, right?

I personally can not do it (no access to the zope server).

Tom, Marc-Andre: can you help out?

After I finished the website for my own company I'll contact you again,
since I'm personally also a canidate for the webring...

Regards,
Andrew Smart


> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: lozinski@jobmart.com [mailto:lozinski@jobmart.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2002 22:59
> An: Andrew Smart
> Betreff: Re: Press Release: Zope & Python webring
>
>
> Thank you for writing to me today.
>
> I was just about to send an email to the europython conference on
> this matter.
>
> I invite you to join the python and zope banner exchange at
> www.pythonandzope.com/BannerInfo
>
> In fact I have already added your banner to the banner exchange.
> It is a one
> for one banner exchange.  Every time that you display a banner,
> someone displays
> your banner.
>
> Can I send you the html fragment to add to your web page?
> Who created the banner.  It looks wonderful. But it needs to be a
> little larger
> to be the standard size.
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
> 1-510-795-6086
> lozinski@openstepnews.com
> lozinski@jobmart.com
>




From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May 22 22:17:10 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:17:10 +0200
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
In-Reply-To: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEDGDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Can I have one in HTML format? Some online magazines allow posting in
HTML...
Sorry for bothering you, but currently I focus on get the material out out
out

Andrew

> -----Ursprungliche Nachricht-----
> Von: M.-A. Lemburg [mailto:mal@lemburg.com]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2002 22:32
> An: Andrew Smart
> Cc: Europython
> Betreff: Re: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise
> Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
>
>
> Andrew Smart wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I just sent the link to the press release with a short german
> description to
> > the following magazines:
> > - C'T
> > - iX
> > - Telepolis
> >
> > I try to translate get the press release translated into
> german, but it may
> > take a day or two.
> >
> > I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for
> attachment /
> > insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but
> to send just
> > the link.
> >
> > Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks
> > aren't copied.
>
> Here you go:
> """
> Subject: ANN: EuroPython 2002, June 26-28, Belgium
>
> For immediate release.
>
>
>              European Python and Zope Conference 2002
>      Inaugural event for growing developer community in Europe
>                Open source leaders to give keynotes
>
>                       June 26-28, 2002
>                      Charleroi, Belgium
>
>                   http://www.europython.org
>
> CHARLEROI, MAY 22 - The EuroPython and Zope Conference 2002 announces
> the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe, held June 26-28
> in Charleroi, Belgium.  With keynote speeches that include an original
> leader of open source, the creator of Python, and the architect of
> Zope, as well as major developer activities, the conference promises
> to be a breakthrough event for open software in Europe.
>
> Hundreds of new and experienced developers attending the conference
> will see a full program, including:
>
>     o Keynote by Guido van Rossum, creator of Python
>
>     o Keynote by Eric Raymond, an originator of the open source movement
>     and active Python developer
>
>     o Tutorials and development sessions by Jim Fulton, architect of Zope
>     and Chief Technology Officer at Zope Corporation
>
>     o State of the Zope talk by Paul Everitt, co-founder of Zope
>     Corporation
>
> The conference program has over 30 presentations and tutorials in 7
> tracks, including Python Language, Zope, Python In Science and
> Industry, Python In Business, Python Applications, and Web Services.
> Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the 100% pure
> Java implementation of the Python language.  The program contains
> tutorials, presentations, lightning talks, and "birds of a feather"
> gatherings.  Additional events include a "sprint" for building Zope 3,
> the next major version of Zope, as well as the first general member's
> meeting of the EuroZope Foundation and a meeting of the Python
> Business Forum.
>
> EuroPython 2002 will be held in Charleroi, Belgium, a city close to
> Brussels.  Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the
> EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged.  Student
> discounts are available.
>
> The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open
> source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag,
> which each attracted thousands of attendees.  Like these conferences,
> EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source
> developers.
>
> **About Python**
>
> Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language
> that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity
> in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application
> design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT
> challenges.
>
> More information, including the Python source code and binaries for
> Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org.
>
> **About Jython**
>
> Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written
> in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive
> scriptability of Python to the world of Java.
>
> More information, including the Jython source code and executables for
> all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at
> http://www.jython.org.
>
> **About Zope**
>
> Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in
> content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope
> Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has
> become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and
> application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of
> which is written in Python.
>
> More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for
> Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.zope.org.
>
> Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source
> fashion by an international community of programmers and companies.
>
> Contacts
>
>     EuroPython Conference Team
>     P3B c/o Aragne
>     Boulevard General Michel 1E
>     B-6000 Charleroi.
>
>     Conference Organization: mailto:europython@p3b.org
>
> International Contacts
>
>     * Belgium
>
>       * Denis Frere, mailto:denis@aragne.com,
>         tel: +32(0)479.651.442
>
>       * Tom Deprez, mailto:tom@aragne.com,
>         tel: +32(0)2.479.63.88
>
>     * France
>
>       * Nicolas Chauvat, mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr,
>         tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12
>
>     * Germany
>
>       * Marc-Andre Lemburg, mailto:mal@egenix.com,
>         tel: +49(0)211.9304112
>
>     * Netherlands
>
>       * Martijn Faassen, mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl,
>         tel: +31(0)10.243.7051
>
>     * United Kingdom
>
>       * Andy Robinson, mailto:andy@reportlab.com,
>         tel: +44(0)7976.355742
>
>       * Tim Couper, mailto:tim@2wave.net,
>         tel: +44 (0)1582 463120
>
> """
>
> If you need this as PDF, let me know.
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>




From gotcha@swing.be  Wed May 22 22:46:05 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:46:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be>

At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and
>Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it.


Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release...

I have not translated the "about" part, hoping that someone can find an=20
french version of the previous PR.

If someone has it, please transmit it to me...


----------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-------------------------

<p>CHARLEROI, 17 MAI 2002 - L'=E9quipe de la Conf=E9rence EuroPython annonce=
=20
que la premi=E8re conf=E9rence majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se=
 tiendra=20
=E0 Charleroi, Belgique, du 26 au 28 juin 2002.</p>

<div style=3D"text-align: center">

<p><strong>Annonce: Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne 2002 sur Python et=
 Zope</strong><br>
<em>Premier =E9v=E9nement pour une communaut=E9 en croissance en=
 Europe</em><br>
<em>Des leaders du mouvement Open Source y donnent des expos=E9s.</em></p>

<p>Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne 2002 sur Python et Zope<br>
(EuroPython 2002)</p>

<p><em>26 au 28 juin 2002</em><br>
Charleroi, Belgique</p>

<p><a href=3D"http://www.europython.org">http://www.europython.org</a></p>
</div>

<p>L'=E9quipe de la Conf=E9rence EuroPython annonce que la premi=E8re=
 conf=E9rence=20
majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se tiendra =E0 Charleroi, Belgique, du=
=20
26 au 28 juin 2002. Avec des orateurs incluant un des leaders originels du=
=20
mouvement open source, le cr=E9ateur de Python, et l'architecte de
Zope, de m=EAme que des activit=E9s majeures pour d=E9veloppeurs, la=
 conf=E9rence=20
promet d'=EAtre un =E9v=E9nement marquant pour le logiciel libre en=
 Europe.</p>

<p>Les centaines de programmeurs jeunes ou exp=E9riment=E9s qui assisteront=
 =E0 la
conf=E9rence auront droit =E0 un programme complet incluant:</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Expos=E9 par Guido van Rossum, cr=E9ateur de Python</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Expos=E9 par Eric Raymond, initiateur du mouvement Open Source
et programmeur Python actif</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Initiations et sessions de d=E9veloppement par Jim Fulton, architecte de
Zope et Chief Technology Officer =E0 Zope Corporation</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Expos=E9 sur l'=E9tat de Zope par Paul Everitt, co-fondateur de Zope
Corporation</p>
</li>
</ul>

<p>Le programme de la conf=E9rence contient plus de 30 pr=E9sentations et=20
initiations class=E9es en 7 s=E9ries, incluant "Langage Python", "Zope",=20
"Python dans les Sciences et Industrie", "Python pour les Affaires",=20
"Applications Python", et "Services Web". Sachez que la s=E9rie "Langage=20
Python" pr=E9sente Jython, l'impl=E9mentation 100% Java du langage Python.=
 Le=20
programme se compose d'initiations, de pr=E9sentations, de mini-expos=E9s et=
 de=20
r=E9unions de discussion ("birds of a feather" sessions). Des =E9v=E9nements=
=20
additionnels auront lieu, dont un "sprint" pour le d=E9veloppement de Zope 3=
=20
(la prochaine version majeure de Zope), une r=E9union du Python Business=20
Forum et la premi=E8re r=E9union g=E9n=E9ralede la fondation EuroZope.</p>

<p>EuroPython 2002 aura lieu =E0 Charleroi, Belgique, une ville proche de=20
Bruxelles. Les places sont compt=E9es, une inscription rapide au site web=20
d'EuroPython (<a=20
href=3D"http://www.europython.org">http://www.europython.org</a>) est=20
recommande=E9. Des tarifs =E9tudiants sont disponibles.</p>

<p>La conf=E9rence EuroPython 2002 prolonge cette ann=E9e la s=E9rie=
 d'=E9v=E9nements=20
Open Source en Europe, apr=E8s les FOSDEM et LinuxTag, qui ont d=E9j=E0=
 attir=E9s=20
des milliers de participants. Comme ces conf=E9rences, EuroPython 2002 est=
=20
organis=E9e par un groupe b=E9n=E9vole de d=E9veloppeurs Open Source.</p>

<!-- about part -->

<p><strong>About Python</strong></p>

<p>Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming
language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating
ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity
and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming
platform for todays IT challenges.</p>

<p>More information, including the Python source code and binaries
for Linux and Windows, are available at <a=20
href=3D"http://www.python.org.">http://www.python.org.</a></p>

<p><strong>About Jython</strong></p>

<p>Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language
written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and
interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java.</p>

<p>More information, including the Jython source code and
executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at <a=20
href=3D"http://www.jython.org.">http://www.jython.org.</a></p>

<p><strong>About Zope</strong></p>

<p>Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing
in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope
Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it
has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers
and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code,
most of which is written in Python.</p>

<p>More information, including the Zope source code and binaries
for Linux and Windows, are available at <a=20
href=3D"http://www.zope.org.">http://www.zope.org.</a></p>

<p>Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open
source fashion by an international community of programmers and
companies.</p>

<!-- end about part -->

<h3><strong>Contacts</strong></h3>

<h4>Organisation de la Conf=E9rence</h4>

<ul>
<li><em>Equipe de la Conf=E9rence EuroPython</em><br>
  P3B c/o Aragne<br>
  Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E<br>
  B-6000 Charleroi.<br><br>
  <a href=3D"mailto:europython@p3b.org">mailto:europython@p3b.org</a>
</li>

</ul>

<h4>Contacts Internationaux</h4>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Belgique</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Denis Fr=E8re, <a=20
href=3D"mailto:denis@aragne.com">mailto:denis@aragne.com</a>,  t=E9l: +32=
 (479)=20
651 442</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tom Deprez, <a href=3D"mailto:tom@aragne.com">mailto:tom@aragne.com</a>,=
=20
t=E9l: +32 (2) 479 63 88</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>France</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Nicolas Chauvat, <a=20
href=3D"mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr">mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr=
</a>,=20
t=E9l: +33 (1) 45 32 03 12</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Allemagne</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Marc-Andr=E9 Lemburg, <a=20
href=3D"mailto:mal@egenix.com">mailto:mal@egenix.com</a>, t=E9l: +49 (211)=
 930=20
41 12</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Pays-Bas</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Martijn Faassen, <a=20
href=3D"mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl">mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl</a>, t=E9l: +31=
 (10)=20
243 70 51</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Royaume Uni</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Andy Robinson, <a=20
href=3D"mailto:andy@reportlab.com">mailto:andy@reportlab.com</a>, t=E9l: +44=
=20
(7976) 355 742</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tim Couper, <a href=3D"mailto:tim@2wave.net">mailto:tim@2wave.net</a>,=20
t=E9l: +44 (1582) 463 120</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>
</ul>

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From gotcha@swing.be  Wed May 22 22:58:48 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:58:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be>
References: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522235750.01d1c168@pop.swing.be>

At 23:46 22/05/2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
>At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>>Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and
>>Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it.
>
>
>Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release...
>
>I have not translated the "about" part, hoping that someone can find an 
>french version of the previous PR.
>
>If someone has it, please transmit it to me...

I just made a Google search, found an old version and updated the website 
with french version....


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From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Wed May 22 22:56:55 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:56:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPCEDIDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

I spread the word a bit... and, yes, I updated the wiki... :-)

The most interesting response will be the one from the Japan Python User
Group... If we will see members of them in June? :-)

Next days I hope to have a German version. BTW, I have no scruples to sent a
translated version again to already contacted German press people. One have
to shout to be heard... Any objections against this?

Regards,
Andrew




From gotcha@swing.be  Wed May 22 23:00:39 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:00:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Communiqu=E9_de_presse?=
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522235932.01d1f190@pop.swing.be>

Pour faire savoir aux francophones qu'une version fran=E7aise du nouveau=20
communiqu=E9 de presse est disponible sur le site web.

Elle est pr=EAte =E0 =EAtre diffus=E9e...

Merci ;-)
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From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 23:15:56 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:15:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] update
Message-ID: <20020522221556.GA5954@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I've now more or less finalized the planning for the Python Language
and Python Applications track, pending a few more possible changes.
The speakers are informed about this in email.

Shae, Paul and I have been preparing some interview questions; we hope
to conduct our first interviews soon. If you can come up with good questions
to ask people, please mention them here, or better yet, see the next
entry.

I've created a wiki at:

http://www.europython.org/wiki

This wiki is for *attendees* to talk amongst each other (of course that
also includes us), not for official conference planning; we continue
using the draftwiki for that. If people agree that this is
a good idea we should add a link to this wiki from the homepage.

You can add interview questions to the wiki, here:

http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/InterviewQuestions

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Wed May 22 23:18:52 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:18:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis)
In-Reply-To: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEDGDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
References: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com> <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPEEDGDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <20020522221852.GB5954@vet.uu.nl>

--liOOAslEiF7prFVr
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline

Andrew Smart wrote:
> 
> Can I have one in HTML format? Some online magazines allow posting in
> HTML...
> Sorry for bothering you, but currently I focus on get the material out out
> out

Sure, here's one, attached.

Regards,

Martijn


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Content-Type: text/html; charset=unknown-8bit
Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="UpdatedPressRelease.html"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by dgkm.vet.uu.nl id AAA10441

<html>
<head>
<title>EuroPython Wiki:UpdatedPressRelease</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">
<p>For immediate release:</p>

<p>CHARLEROI, MAY 17th 2002 - the EuroPython Conference Team
announces the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe to
be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002.</p>

<div style=3D"text-align: center">

<p><strong>Announcing: European Python and Zope Conference
2002</strong><br>
<em>Inaugural event for growing developer community in
Europe</em><br>
<em>Open source leaders to give keynotes</em></p>

<p>European Python and Zope Conference 2002<br>
EuroPython 2002)</p>

<p><em>June 26-28, 2002</em><br>
Charleroi, Belgium</p>

<p><a href=3D"http://www.europython.org">http://www.europython.org</a></p=
>
</div>

<p>The EuroPython and Zope Conference 2002 announces the first
major Python and Zope Conference in Europe, held June 26-28 in
Charleroi, Belgium. With keynote speeches that include an original
leader of open source, the creator of Python, and the architect of
Zope, as well as major developer activities, the conference
promises to be a breakthrough event for open software in
Europe.</p>

<p>Hundreds of new and experienced developers attending the
conference will see a full program, including:</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Keynote by Guido van Rossum, creator of Python</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Keynote by Eric Raymond, an originator of the open source
movement and active Python developer</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tutorials and development sessions by Jim Fulton, architect of
Zope and Chief Technology Officer at Zope Corporation</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>State of the Zope talk by Paul Everitt, co-founder of Zope
Corporation</p>
</li>
</ul>

<p>The conference program has over 30 presentations and tutorials
in 7 tracks, including Python Language, Zope, Python In Science and
Industry, Python In Business, Python Applications, and Web
Services. Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the
100% pure Java implementation of the Python language. The program
contains tutorials, presentations, lightning talks, and "birds of a
feather" gatherings. Additional events include a "sprint" for
building Zope 3, the next major version of Zope, as well as the
first general member's meeting of the EuroZope Foundation and a
meeting of the Python Business Forum.</p>

<p>EuroPython 2002 will be held in Charleroi, Belgium, a city close
to Brussels. Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the
EuroPython website (<a href=3D"http://www.europython.org">http://www.euro=
python.org</a>) is
encouraged. Student discounts are available.</p>

<p>The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of
open source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and
LinuxTag, which each attracted thousands of attendees. Like these
conferences, EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of
open source developers.</p>

<p><strong>About Python</strong></p>

<p>Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming
language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating
ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity
and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming
platform for todays IT challenges.</p>

<p>More information, including the Python source code and binaries
for Linux and Windows, are available at <a href=3D"http://www.python.org.=
">http://www.python.org</a>.</p>

<p><strong>About Jython</strong></p>

<p>Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language
written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and
interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java.</p>

<p>More information, including the Jython source code and
executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at <a href=3D=
"http://www.jython.org.">http://www.jython.org</a>.</p>

<p><strong>About Zope</strong></p>

<p>Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing
in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope
Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it
has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers
and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code,
most of which is written in Python.</p>

<p>More information, including the Zope source code and binaries
for Linux and Windows, are available at <a href=3D"http://www.zope.org.">=
http://www.zope.org</a>.</p>

<p>Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open
source fashion by an international community of programmers and
companies.</p>

<h3><strong>Contacts</strong></h3>

<p><em>EuroPython Conference Team</em><br>
 P3B c/o Aragne<br>
 Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E<br>
 B-6000 Charleroi.<br>
</p>

<p>Conference Organization: <a href=3D"mailto:europython@p3b.org">mailto:=
europython@p3b.org</a></p>

<p>International Contacts:</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Belgium</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Denis Fr=E8re, <a href=3D"mailto:denis@aragne.com">mailto:denis@aragne=
.com</a>, tel:
+32(0)479.651.442</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tom Deprez, <a href=3D"mailto:tom@aragne.com">mailto:tom@aragne.com</a=
>, tel:
+32(0)2.479.63.88</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>France</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Nicolas Chauvat, <a href=3D"mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr">mailto:=
nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr</a>,
tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Germany</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Marc-Andr=E9 Lemburg, <a href=3D"mailto:mal@egenix.com">mailto:mal@ege=
nix.com</a>, tel:
+49(0)211.9304112</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Netherlands</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Martijn Faassen, <a href=3D"mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl">mailto:faassen@v=
et.uu.nl</a>, tel:
+31(0)10.243.7051</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>United Kingdom</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Andy Robinson, <a href=3D"mailto:andy@reportlab.com">mailto:andy@repor=
tlab.com</a> , tel:
+44(0)7976.355742</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tim Couper, <a href=3D"mailto:tim@2wave.net">mailto:tim@2wave.net</a>,=
 tel: +44 (0)1582
463120</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>
</ul>
</body>
</html>


--liOOAslEiF7prFVr--



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 23:51:18 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:51:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] update
References: <20020522221556.GA5954@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <020501c201e3$c3c02a30$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> This wiki is for *attendees* to talk amongst each other (of course that
> also includes us), not for official conference planning; we continue
> using the draftwiki for that. If people agree that this is
> a good idea we should add a link to this wiki from the homepage.

Are you sure about using a wiki? Why not Slashdot? Or something like that?

Regards,
Tom.
 
> You can add interview questions to the wiki, here:
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/InterviewQuestions
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 22 23:53:20 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:53:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <020601c201e3$c7089e70$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Thanks Godefroid!

I fixed a small html typo.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>; <europython@python.org>; "Juan David
Ibáñez Palomar" <jdavid@nuxeo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:46 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2


At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and
>Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it.


Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release...

I have not translated the "about" part, hoping that someone can find an
french version of the previous PR.

If someone has it, please transmit it to me...


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------------------

<p>CHARLEROI, 17 MAI 2002 - L'équipe de la Conférence EuroPython annonce
que la première conférence majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se tiendra
à Charleroi, Belgique, du 26 au 28 juin 2002.</p>

<div style="text-align: center">

<p><strong>Annonce: Conférence Européenne 2002 sur Python et
Zope</strong><br>
<em>Premier événement pour une communauté en croissance en Europe</em><br>
<em>Des leaders du mouvement Open Source y donnent des exposés.</em></p>

<p>Conférence Européenne 2002 sur Python et Zope<br>
(EuroPython 2002)</p>

<p><em>26 au 28 juin 2002</em><br>
Charleroi, Belgique</p>

<p><a href="http://www.europython.org">http://www.europython.org</a></p>
</div>

<p>L'équipe de la Conférence EuroPython annonce que la première conférence
majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se tiendra à Charleroi, Belgique, du
26 au 28 juin 2002. Avec des orateurs incluant un des leaders originels du
mouvement open source, le créateur de Python, et l'architecte de
Zope, de même que des activités majeures pour développeurs, la conférence
promet d'être un événement marquant pour le logiciel libre en Europe.</p>

<p>Les centaines de programmeurs jeunes ou expérimentés qui assisteront à la
conférence auront droit à un programme complet incluant:</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Exposé par Guido van Rossum, créateur de Python</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Exposé par Eric Raymond, initiateur du mouvement Open Source
et programmeur Python actif</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Initiations et sessions de développement par Jim Fulton, architecte de
Zope et Chief Technology Officer à Zope Corporation</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Exposé sur l'état de Zope par Paul Everitt, co-fondateur de Zope
Corporation</p>
</li>
</ul>

<p>Le programme de la conférence contient plus de 30 présentations et
initiations classées en 7 séries, incluant "Langage Python", "Zope",
"Python dans les Sciences et Industrie", "Python pour les Affaires",
"Applications Python", et "Services Web". Sachez que la série "Langage
Python" présente Jython, l'implémentation 100% Java du langage Python. Le
programme se compose d'initiations, de présentations, de mini-exposés et de
réunions de discussion ("birds of a feather" sessions). Des événements
additionnels auront lieu, dont un "sprint" pour le développement de Zope 3
(la prochaine version majeure de Zope), une réunion du Python Business
Forum et la première réunion généralede la fondation EuroZope.</p>

<p>EuroPython 2002 aura lieu à Charleroi, Belgique, une ville proche de
Bruxelles. Les places sont comptées, une inscription rapide au site web
d'EuroPython (<a
href="http://www.europython.org">http://www.europython.org</a>) est
recommandeé. Des tarifs étudiants sont disponibles.</p>

<p>La conférence EuroPython 2002 prolonge cette année la série d'événements
Open Source en Europe, après les FOSDEM et LinuxTag, qui ont déjà attirés
des milliers de participants. Comme ces conférences, EuroPython 2002 est
organisée par un groupe bénévole de développeurs Open Source.</p>

<!-- about part -->

<p><strong>About Python</strong></p>

<p>Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming
language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating
ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity
and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming
platform for todays IT challenges.</p>

<p>More information, including the Python source code and binaries
for Linux and Windows, are available at <a
href="http://www.python.org.">http://www.python.org.</a></p>

<p><strong>About Jython</strong></p>

<p>Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language
written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and
interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java.</p>

<p>More information, including the Jython source code and
executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at <a
href="http://www.jython.org.">http://www.jython.org.</a></p>

<p><strong>About Zope</strong></p>

<p>Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing
in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope
Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it
has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers
and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code,
most of which is written in Python.</p>

<p>More information, including the Zope source code and binaries
for Linux and Windows, are available at <a
href="http://www.zope.org.">http://www.zope.org.</a></p>

<p>Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open
source fashion by an international community of programmers and
companies.</p>

<!-- end about part -->

<h3><strong>Contacts</strong></h3>

<h4>Organisation de la Conférence</h4>

<ul>
<li><em>Equipe de la Conférence EuroPython</em><br>
  P3B c/o Aragne<br>
  Boulevard Général Michel 1E<br>
  B-6000 Charleroi.<br><br>
  <a href="mailto:europython@p3b.org">mailto:europython@p3b.org</a>
</li>

</ul>

<h4>Contacts Internationaux</h4>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Belgique</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Denis Frère, <a
href="mailto:denis@aragne.com">mailto:denis@aragne.com</a>,  tél: +32 (479)
651 442</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tom Deprez, <a href="mailto:tom@aragne.com">mailto:tom@aragne.com</a>,
tél: +32 (2) 479 63 88</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>France</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Nicolas Chauvat, <a
href="mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr">mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr</
a>,
tél: +33 (1) 45 32 03 12</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Allemagne</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Marc-André Lemburg, <a
href="mailto:mal@egenix.com">mailto:mal@egenix.com</a>, tél: +49 (211) 930
41 12</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Pays-Bas</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Martijn Faassen, <a
href="mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl">mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl</a>, tél: +31 (10)
243 70 51</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>

<li>
<p>Royaume Uni</p>

<ul>
<li>
<p>Andy Robinson, <a
href="mailto:andy@reportlab.com">mailto:andy@reportlab.com</a>, tél: +44
(7976) 355 742</p>
</li>

<li>
<p>Tim Couper, <a href="mailto:tim@2wave.net">mailto:tim@2wave.net</a>,
tél: +44 (1582) 463 120</p>
</li>
</ul>

</li>
</ul>

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 00:00:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 01:00:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Press Release: Zope & Python webring
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPKEDFDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <021201c201e4$f08c6820$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

I'm not sure if it is appropriate to put a banner exchange on a conference
website.
But since you already added the EuroPython logo and I don't see a reason
why not,  I'll add the banner to the site. As long as I'm not shot by others
on this list :-)

[snip]

> > Can I send you the html fragment to add to your web page?

Yup, send it to me: tom@aragne.com

> > Who created the banner.  It looks wonderful. But it needs to be a
> > little larger
> > to be the standard size.

It's Vincent Maton : http://users.skynet.be/vm/vm01.html

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 00:04:27 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 01:04:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] update
References: <20020522221556.GA5954@vet.uu.nl> <020501c201e3$c3c02a30$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <021f01c201e5$0a915370$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> Are you sure about using a wiki? Why not Slashdot? Or something like that?

I meant squishdot of course..

 
> Regards,
> Tom.
>  
> > You can add interview questions to the wiki, here:
> > 
> > http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/InterviewQuestions
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > Martijn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython@python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> > _______________________________________________
> > Tom mailing list
> > Tom@aragne.com
> > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 23 08:42:11 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:42:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPCEDIDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <3CEC9D53.1030009@lemburg.com>

Andrew Smart wrote:
> I spread the word a bit... and, yes, I updated the wiki... :-)
> 
> The most interesting response will be the one from the Japan Python User
> Group... If we will see members of them in June? :-)
> 
> Next days I hope to have a German version. BTW, I have no scruples to sent a
> translated version again to already contacted German press people. One have
> to shout to be heard... Any objections against this?

No.

Is someone looking at the list of local mailing lists I
posted on the wiki page ? I think we should send the release
to as many Python mailing lists as possible -- even if the language
doesn't fit the list's language (in that case, with a short
blurb telling why we are doing so). I already did this with
the python-de German Python list.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Thu May 23 08:51:11 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:51:11 +0200
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release
In-Reply-To: <3CEC9D53.1030009@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPCEDMDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

>
> Is someone looking at the list of local mailing lists I
> posted on the wiki page ? I think we should send the release
> to as many Python mailing lists as possible -- even if the language
> doesn't fit the list's language (in that case, with a short
> blurb telling why we are doing so). I already did this with
> the python-de German Python list.

I did it to some (documented in the wiki) and I'll continue to do so...

Problem: you have to join or you have to wait that the list admin accepts
the "foreign" post.
The python japan user group list admin rejected my posting...

Andrew




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 23 09:25:17 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:25:17 +0200
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPCEDMDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>
Message-ID: <3CECA76D.4030501@lemburg.com>

Andrew Smart wrote:
>>Is someone looking at the list of local mailing lists I
>>posted on the wiki page ? I think we should send the release
>>to as many Python mailing lists as possible -- even if the language
>>doesn't fit the list's language (in that case, with a short
>>blurb telling why we are doing so). I already did this with
>>the python-de German Python list.
> 
> 
> I did it to some (documented in the wiki) and I'll continue to do so...

Great !

> Problem: you have to join or you have to wait that the list admin accepts
> the "foreign" post.

True.

Perhaps we should setup a special mail account which we
could then use to sign up to these groups ?! Hmm, probably too
complicated...

> The python japan user group list admin rejected my posting...

Oh dear.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 23 10:52:06 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:52:06 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231150490.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Wed, 22 May 2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote:

> At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
> >Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and
> >Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it.
> 
> 
> Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release...

I'm afraid that's a loss of time. I did this translation on sunday, Denis
and I reviewed it twice already, and it was announced several times on
this list !!!

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gotcha@swing.be  Thu May 23 11:06:52 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:06:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231150490.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be>

At 11:52 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>I'm afraid that's a loss of time. I did this translation on sunday, Denis
>and I reviewed it twice already, and it was announced several times on
>this list !!!
>
>--
>Nicolas Chauvat

That's a pity for me... I was out during weekend and surely read list to 
quickly.

Can you please go to the press release page and replace with your version 
or correct mine ?

Thanks.
--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 23 11:31:18 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:31:18 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231230160.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Thu, 23 May 2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote:

> At 11:52 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> >I'm afraid that's a loss of time. I did this translation on sunday, Denis
> >and I reviewed it twice already, and it was announced several times on
> >this list !!!
> >
> >--
> >Nicolas Chauvat
> 
> That's a pity for me... I was out during weekend and surely read list to 
> quickly.

Sorry about that.

> Can you please go to the press release page and replace with your version 
> or correct mine ?

I just did it.

BTW, I'd like to fix some spelling/translation errors in the french
version of the left-side menu, but I can't find my way to the proper edit
form. Could you help me out ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From denis@aragne.com  Thu May 23 12:47:07 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:47:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
Message-ID: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net>

Tomorrow, I will see the CEME team (again).

It will be a good moment to ask for question that would be left without
answer (about the venue, I mean).

I already have some about :
- insurance
- sound (ok in the auditorium, what about the multipurpose-room)
- multi-purpose room organization (How many chairs, how to dispose them,
  ...)
- material installation (screens, projectors, info-desk, ...)

If you think I should add something to the list, please, ask for it now.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 23 13:01:05 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:01:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi
Message-ID: <3CECDA01.8050407@lemburg.com>

Just in case you are looking for a map of Charleroi, here's
a link to one I found on expedia.com:

http://msrvmaps.mappoint.net/isapi/MSMap.dll?ID=3kQaz.&C=50.413444,4.432572&L=EUR0407&CV=1&A=5&S=1024,1024&O=5.333333,0.000000&MS=0&P=|50.408444,4.434572|306|

CEME is on Rue des Francais, BTW.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 23 13:08:24 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:08:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
In-Reply-To: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231405530.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> - material installation (screens, projectors, info-desk, ...)

I wrote in the Speakers FAQ that Track Champion would have laptops
connected to beamers/projectors. Having three projectors (one per
concurrent session) is important. And maybe a fourth one in case something
goes wrong ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 13:12:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:12:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
References: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Tomorrow, I will see the CEME team (again).
>
> It will be a good moment to ask for question that would be left without
> answer (about the venue, I mean).
>
> I already have some about :
> - insurance
> - sound (ok in the auditorium, what about the multipurpose-room)
> - multi-purpose room organization (How many chairs, how to dispose them,
>   ...)
> - material installation (screens, projectors, info-desk, ...)
>
> If you think I should add something to the list, please, ask for it now.

Yes: we must make the multipurpose rooms into 'auditorium' rooms. How far
can we go?

1) How the multipurpose room can be split up in two (vertical or
horizontal), so we can use this
information in the floorplan.
2) If ramps, 'staircase' platforms exist which allow to set the chairs in
such a position that everybody can follow the talk.
Otherwise we've a problem..... since only the front people will be able to
follow.
3) If there are projector screens available. (I hope big ones....)
4) sound system in multipurpose rooms. Will you hear the talks of the other
tracks?

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 13:16:17 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:16:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231405530.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <023601c20253$a3f44130$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I wrote in the Speakers FAQ that Track Champion would have laptops
> connected to beamers/projectors. Having three projectors (one per
> concurrent session) is important. And maybe a fourth one in case someth=
ing
> goes wrong ?

Yup, this is taken care of in the budget

Tom.
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 13:17:39 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:17:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi
References: <3CECDA01.8050407@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <023c01c20253$d49dd5d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

People with a Palm OS (or compatible), can also download a map.
It's placed on the website some weeks ago:

http://europython.zope.nl/location/mappy

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "EuroPython Mailing List" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:01 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi


> Just in case you are looking for a map of Charleroi, here's
> a link to one I found on expedia.com:
>
>
http://msrvmaps.mappoint.net/isapi/MSMap.dll?ID=3kQaz.&C=50.413444,4.432572&
L=EUR0407&CV=1&A=5&S=1024,1024&O=5.333333,0.000000&MS=0&P=|50.408444,4.43457
2|306|
>
> CEME is on Rue des Francais, BTW.
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 23 13:38:08 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:38:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi
References: <3CECDA01.8050407@lemburg.com> <023c01c20253$d49dd5d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CECE2B0.10300@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> People with a Palm OS (or compatible), can also download a map.
> It's placed on the website some weeks ago:
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/location/mappy

Is this map also available as GIF or JPG for use in
Plucker or FireViewer ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From denis@aragne.com  Thu May 23 13:40:34 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:40:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
In-Reply-To: <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020523144034.K32348@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 23, 2002 at 02:12:07PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> 
> Yes: we must make the multipurpose rooms into 'auditorium' rooms.
> How far can we go?
> 
> 1) How the multipurpose room can be split up in two (vertical or
> horizontal), so we can use this information in the floorplan.

There are several possibilities. We'll have to choose.

> 2) If ramps, 'staircase' platforms exist which allow to set the chairs
> in such a position that everybody can follow the talk.
> Otherwise we've a problem..... since only the front people will be
> able to follow.

That's not a standard option. I personnally think it's not mandatory if
the tracks attract a hundred people audience. The screen will have to be
high enough, but steps shouldn't be really needed.
The session with most attendance can use the auditorium.
(Is there a way to know who will attend which track ?)

> 3) If there are projector screens available. (I hope big ones....)

At first, I didn't think to screens ...
OK, good point too.

> 4) sound system in multipurpose rooms. Will you hear the talks of the
> other tracks?

The 'walls' are about 10 cm thick and are supposed to cut sound
diffusion. Appart during big applauses, it should be OK.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 13:56:35 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:56:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi
References: <3CECDA01.8050407@lemburg.com> <023c01c20253$d49dd5d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CECE2B0.10300@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <028b01c20259$456e8110$1e71a8c0@u10136>

I'm afraid I don't know how Plucker or FireViewer work.
Have a look at www.mappy.com it is from there we downloaded the files.
I believe you can save the images as well, but I don't know if this are t=
he
files
your looking for

Go to Town Map and enter :

Charleroi

Address of CEME is:

Rue des Fran=E7ais, 147

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: "EuroPython Mailing List" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi


> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > People with a Palm OS (or compatible), can also download a map.
> > It's placed on the website some weeks ago:
> >
> > http://europython.zope.nl/location/mappy
>
> Is this map also available as GIF or JPG for use in
> Plucker or FireViewer ?
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From gotcha@swing.be  Thu May 23 14:02:27 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:02:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231230160.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150207.02f03930@pop.swing.be>

At 12:31 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>BTW, I'd like to fix some spelling/translation errors in the french
>version of the left-side menu, but I can't find my way to the proper edit
>form. Could you help me out ?

http://europython.zope.nl/gettext/manage_workspace

>--
>Nicolas Chauvat

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From gotcha@swing.be  Thu May 23 14:15:25 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:15:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Request for help on website localization
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be>

Hi all,

Juan and I are working on localizing the EuroPython website.
Juan is working on infrastructure and Spanish version.
I am working on french version.

Localization would be a sign that this is a very european conference (even 
if we won't propose simultaneous translation of the speeches ;-).

I think I can say we are looking for help for translation to German and 
Italian at least.
Dutch would be nice to have... even if we all know that Dutch speakers are 
usually good English-speakers.

I hope lots of you will volunteer...

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
RC Niv 49849




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 14:25:00 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:25:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
References: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020523144034.K32348@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <02cc01c2025d$3d7f6b50$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > 1) How the multipurpose room can be split up in two (vertical or
> > horizontal), so we can use this information in the floorplan.
>
> There are several possibilities. We'll have to choose.

Of course, but have a look already what would be the best option: entrances,
amount of people, light, ...

> > 2) If ramps, 'staircase' platforms exist which allow to set the chairs
> > in such a position that everybody can follow the talk.
> > Otherwise we've a problem..... since only the front people will be
> > able to follow.
>
> That's not a standard option. I personnally think it's not mandatory if
> the tracks attract a hundred people audience. The screen will have to be
> high enough, but steps shouldn't be really needed.
> The session with most attendance can use the auditorium.

Ok, but it's always welcome :-)

> (Is there a way to know who will attend which track ?)

Not that I know of, there is made no notion of to which track people would
like to see.
We should have thought on this before. I know I did long ago, but it slipped
out of my mind.

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 23 14:22:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:22:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150207.02f03930@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <02ad01c2025c$f079b4f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Go to the www.europython.org/home/pressrelease folder.
open the index_html file
click on the 'body' link

now you'll see all the different language bodies. and you can change yours

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>
To: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:02 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2


> At 12:31 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> >BTW, I'd like to fix some spelling/translation errors in the french
> >version of the left-side menu, but I can't find my way to the proper edit
> >form. Could you help me out ?
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/gettext/manage_workspace
>
> >--
> >Nicolas Chauvat
>
> --
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Thu May 23 14:27:10 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:27:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <3CECEE2E.9020904@nuxeo.com>

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Juan and I are working on localizing the EuroPython website.
> Juan is working on infrastructure and Spanish version.


eehh.. I only do some (few) spanish translations for testing purposes,
somebody else should do the localization to spanish, and even revise
the translations I've already done.


> I am working on french version.
>
> Localization would be a sign that this is a very european conference 
> (even if we won't propose simultaneous translation of the speeches ;-).
>
> I think I can say we are looking for help for translation to German 
> and Italian at least.
> Dutch would be nice to have... even if we all know that Dutch speakers 
> are usually good English-speakers.
>
> I hope lots of you will volunteer...
>
> -- 
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>
>


-- 
J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com
Python programmer (http://www.python.org)






From denis@aragne.com  Thu May 23 15:21:30 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:21:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Request for help on website localization
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be>
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <20020523162130.O32348@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:15:25PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota:
> Hi all,
>=20
> Juan and I are working on localizing the EuroPython website.
> Juan is working on infrastructure and Spanish version.
> I am working on french version.

I've just posted the announce on the Python-Fr mailing list.
You should ask for some help there too.

> I hope lots of you will volunteer...

Denis

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Lors d'une grande manifestation contre le manque d'emploi, une masse
impressionnante de ch=F4meurs se retrouve sous les fen=EAtres du Minist=E8=
re
de l'emploi, brandissant leurs calicots et scandant le slogan :=20
"Nous voulons du travail, nous voulons du travail, ..."
Le Ministre sort alors et, s'adressant au gars le plus bruyant du=20
premier rang, dit : "Bon, d'accord, j'ai du travail pour toi."
A ce moment, le gars s'arr=EAte net de crier et r=E9pond :
"Eh, pourquoi moi ? Il y en a des centaines d'autres derri=E8re !"
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 23 17:11:30 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:11:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths anyone ?
Message-ID: <3CED14B2.5050203@lemburg.com>

After all the discussions we had about how to provide booths,
we are rather surprised that not a single booth was sold until
today.

Why is this ?

	http://europython.org/exhibitors/

We will need to know about booths by the first week of June.
Otherwise it is uncertain whether we can guarantee a booth.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 23 17:42:05 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:42:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231840270.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

I sent a first round of french press releases to the contact listed at
draftwiki/PressReleasePress

Is everyone still marking contacts as done when PR are sent ? I did.

I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From denis@aragne.com  Thu May 23 18:05:57 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:05:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231840270.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205231840270.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net>

Le Thu, May 23, 2002 at 06:42:05PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat pianota:
> I sent a first round of french press releases to the contact listed at
> draftwiki/PressReleasePress
> 
> Is everyone still marking contacts as done when PR are sent ? I did.

Bravo Nicolas. :-)

> I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies.

I would like to suggest to all professional members of the list to send
as much invitation as possible to their clients (or potential clients).

If you want to assure them that your work with Python/Zope is not a mere
programmer's craze, you should tell them there are big conferences
around your favorite tools, wether they would come or not.

- It can be seen as valuable information for your clients
  (ask your marketing guy to introduce the invitation).
- For you, it's a cheap add to remind your clients you still exist.
- For the Python/Zope community, it's rewarding too.
So, everyone could be happy. :-)


Explicit is better than implicit.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 23 18:45:48 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:45:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] update
In-Reply-To: <021f01c201e5$0a915370$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <20020522221556.GA5954@vet.uu.nl> <020501c201e3$c3c02a30$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> <021f01c201e5$0a915370$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <20020523174548.GA8110@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> > Are you sure about using a wiki? Why not Slashdot? Or something like that?
> 
> I meant squishdot of course..

Look at the wiki and see what it's being used for. I don't know how 
Squishdot is going to help there; we're not talking about news items.
People need to add pages saying 'okay, I found so and so information
about hotel this and this' or 'this is a good restaurant' or 'hey,
want to share a hotel room?' and a wiki allows them to.

Also a wiki organizes itself better than a Squishdot instance would.
We already have news on the front page..

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Thu May 23 18:49:30 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:49:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team
In-Reply-To: <02cc01c2025d$3d7f6b50$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020523144034.K32348@carolo.net> <02cc01c2025d$3d7f6b50$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020523174930.GB8110@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Not that I know of, there is made no notion of to which track people would
> like to see.

> We should have thought on this before. I know I did long ago, but it slipped
> out of my mind.

I also expect many people will move around a lot, and not sit out any
particular track.

Perhaps there's a way to start somekind of informal poll, where people
can state which track they're going to attend or something.

Regards,

Martijn




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 23 19:06:14 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:06:14 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies.
> 
> I would like to suggest to all professional members of the list to send
> as much invitation as possible to their clients (or potential clients).

Just sent over 60... that's not as big a list as your list of 4000, but
it's precisely targeted on Python&Science :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From thomas@reulbach.com  Thu May 23 20:00:37 2002
From: thomas@reulbach.com (Thomas Reulbach)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:00:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020523205919.00abdb40@pop.puretec.de>

  I'd like to help with localizing to German if you want me to.

Kind Regards

Thomas Reulbach




From lolita86@libero.it  Thu May 23 18:30:04 2002
From: lolita86@libero.it (lolita)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00.29.29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Eros e soldi:guadagna con internet 0,08 euro a clic
Message-ID: <E17B15D-0000Nw-00@mail.python.org>

sono lolita=2C voglio presentarti il mio nuovo sito
affiliazione gratuita con guadagni immediati=3A         erotismo=2C chat=2Cloghi e sonerie etc=2C etc=2C 


l'unico sito che paga cos=EC tanto 0=2C08 euro a clic =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eguarda bene la pg di affiliazione=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Ee buon divertimento=2E
 

visita il sito=3A         http=3A=2F=2Fmembers=2Exoom=2Eit=2Fmarym1976       http=3A=2F=2Fmembers=2Exoom=2Eit=2Fmarym1976       http=3A=2F=2Fmembers=2Exoom=2Eit=2Fmarym1976         
 
         
 
    
 










From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 24 00:08:22 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:08:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] chat monday
Message-ID: <20020523230822.GA9338@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Before I forget: I won't be able to make it to the chat monday, 
unfortunately. 

Thanks,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 24 08:58:38 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:58:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020523205919.00abdb40@pop.puretec.de>
Message-ID: <002e01c202f8$cff85aa0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Great Thomas,

Do you've knowledge of Localizer?

Regards,
Tom.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Reulbach" <thomas@reulbach.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:00 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization


>   I'd like to help with localizing to German if you want me to.
> 
> Kind Regards
> 
> Thomas Reulbach
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 24 10:56:47 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:56:47 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hi List,

I just received this question regarding the proceedings of the conference.
I commented it with my opinion and would like yours.

> I would like to clarify one point. In my mind, the proceeding paper
> was not the same thing that the presentation material. I thought that
> the proceedings was something quite formal with full english sentences
> (e.g. the PDF I sent you), while the presentation was something
> 'slide-like' (bullet-points,...). As I understand your message, there
> is no difference between the two. I presume that what you mean is that
> the bullet-points presentation is planned to be put as such on the
> proceedings CD; so there is no more formal paper needed. Is it what
> you have in mind ?

Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I cannot ask every speaker to
prepare a talk *and* write an article.

> IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could
> choose between 
> - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings
> - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the
> proceedings (the easy way)

I agree with this.

Opinions ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From sf@fermigier.com  Fri May 24 11:07:42 2002
From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:07:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>; from Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr on Thu, May 23, 2002 at 08:06:14PM +0200
References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr>

On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 08:06:14PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > > I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies.
> >=20
> > I would like to suggest to all professional members of the list to se=
nd
> > as much invitation as possible to their clients (or potential clients=
).
>=20
> Just sent over 60... that's not as big a list as your list of 4000, but
> it's precisely targeted on Python&Science :-)

I've sent the french PR, with several corrections (see below), to about 4=
00
french-speaking (including a few belgian speaking ones) journalists
specializing in open source.

And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from
the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the confer=
ence
(I believe they usually do) ?

Regards,

	S.

Annonce: Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne Python et Zope 2002=20
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

   Premier =E9v=E9nement d=E9di=E9 =E0 une communaut=E9 croissante de d=E9=
veloppeurs
   europ=E9ens. Des figures du logiciel libre / open source ouvriront la
   conf=E9rence

Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne Python et Zope 2002 (EuroPython 2002)
26-28 Juin 2002, Charleroi, Belgique
http://www.europython.org


Le comit=E9 d'organisation de la conf=E9rence EuroPython annonce la tenue=
 de la
premi=E8re Conf=E9rence Python et Zope d'envergure europ=E9enne =E0 Charl=
eroi en
Belgique du 26 au 28 juin 2002. Parmi les conf=E9renciers d'honneur, on
compte le cr=E9ateur de Python, l'architecte de Zope et un des leaders du
mouvement Open Source. Cette conf=E9rence, =E0 laquelle participeront les
principaux d=E9veloppeurs du domaine, promet d'=EAtre un =E9v=E9nement ca=
pital en
Europe pour Python et le logiciel libre.

Plusieurs centaines de d=E9veloppeurs assisteront =E0 cette conf=E9rence,=
 dont
le programme inclut :

    o un discours d'ouverture de Guido van Rossum, le cr=E9ateur de Pytho=
n

    o un discours d'ouverture d'Eric S. Raymond, un des fondateurs du
      mouvement Open Source et d=E9veloppeur Python actif

    o des tutoriels et des sessions de d=E9veloppement anim=E9es par Jim
      Fulton, architecte de Zope et directeur technique de Zope
      Corporation

    o un =E9tat de Zope pr=E9sent=E9 par Paul Everitt, co-fondateur de Zo=
pe
      Corporation

Le programme de la conf=E9rence comprend plus de trente pr=E9sentations
organis=E9es en sept th=E8mes : le langage Python, Zope, Python pour les
sciences et l'industrie, Python pour le commerce et les affaires, les
applications Python, les services web. En particulier, le th=E8me sur le
langage Python inclut une pr=E9sentation de Jython, une impl=E9mentation =
100%
pur Java du langage Python. Le programme inclut aussi des tutoriels, des
pr=E9sentations =E9clairs et des r=E9unions "qui se ressemble s'assemble".
D'autres =E9v=E9nements auront lieu pendant la conf=E9rence, parmi lesque=
ls un
"sprint"  pour aider =E0 b=E2tir Zope 3, la prochaine version majeure de =
Zope,
la premi=E8re assembl=E9e g=E9n=E9rale de la fondation EuroZope et une r=E9=
union
du Python Business Forum.

EuroPython 2002 se tiendra =E0 Charleroi, en Belgique, une ville proche d=
e
Bruxelles. Nous recommandons de r=E9server rapidement sur le site
d'EuroPython (http://www.europython.org), car le nombre de place restante=
s
d=E9cro=EEt rapidement. Des r=E9ductions sont accord=E9es aux =E9tudiants.

La conf=E9rence EuroPython 2002 poursuit la liste d=E9j=E0 longue d'=E9v=E9=
nements
europ=E9ens consacr=E9s au logiciel libre cette ann=E9e, dont le FOSDEM e=
t
LinuxTag, qui ont attir=E9 plusieurs milliers de participants. A l'instar=
 de
ces deux conf=E9rences, EuroPython est organis=E9 par un groupe de volont=
aires.


=C0 propos de Python
------------------

Python est un des principaux langages de programmation orient=E9s-objets =
open
source, et fonctionne sur toutes les plates-formes informatiques modernes.
La clart=E9 du code source des programmes =E9crits en Python, combin=E9e =
aux
facilit=E9s d'utilisation, de connexion aux applications d'entreprise et =
de
d=E9veloppement rapide qu'offre Python, en fait l'outil id=E9al pour rele=
ver
les d=E9fis informatiques d'aujourd'hui.

Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur http://www.python.org/, o=F9 vou=
s
trouverez aussi le code source de Python et des ex=E9cutables pour Linux,
MacOS et Windows.


=C0 propos de Jython
------------------

Jython est une impl=E9mentation du langage Python =E9crite en 100% pur Ja=
va.
Elle apporte la flexibilit=E9 et l'interactivit=E9 de Python au monde Jav=
a.

Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur http://www.jython.org/, o=F9 vou=
s
trouverez aussi le code source de Jython et des ex=E9cutables pour toutes
les principales machines virtuelles Java.


=C0 propos de Zope
----------------

Zope est un des leaders des serveurs d'applications open source, sp=E9cia=
lis=E9
dans la gestion de contenu, les portails et le d=E9veloppement d'applicat=
ions
sp=E9cifiques.  Depuis que Zope Corporation l'a publi=E9 sous forme de lo=
giciel
libre en 1998, Zope, qui est principalement =E9crit en Python, est devenu
l'outil de choix pour de nombreux d=E9cideurs, d=E9veloppeurs et =E9diteu=
rs de
contenu.

Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur http://www.zope.org/, o=F9 vous
trouverez aussi le code source de Zope et des ex=E9cutables pour Linux et
Windows.


Python, Jython et Zope sont maintenus et d=E9velopp=E9s selon le mod=E8le=
 open
source par une communaut=E9 internationale de soci=E9t=E9s et de programm=
eurs
individuels.


Contacts
--------

	Comit=E9 d'organisation EuroPython
	P3B c/o Aragne
	Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E
	B-6000 Charleroi
	europython@p3b.org

Contacts internationaux
-----------------------

  Belgique:    Denis Fr=E8re, email: denis@aragne.com
               tel: +32(0)479.651.442

  France:      Nicolas Chauvat, email: nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr
               tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12
               St=E9fane Fermigier, email: sf@nuxeo.com
               tel: +33(0)6 63 04 12 77

  Allemagne:   Marc-Andr=E9 Lemburg, email: mal@lemburg.com
               tel: +49(0)211.9304112

  Pays-Bas:    Martijn Faassen, email: faassen@vet.uu.nl
               tel: +31(0)10.243.7051

  Royaume-Uni: Andy Robinson, email: andy@reportlab.com
               tel: +44-7976-355742


--=20
St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile).
http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/
"Amazon: we patent the dot in .com"



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 24 11:12:10 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:12:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241211450.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from
> the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the conference
> (I believe they usually do) ?

As long as they show up with a press id card.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri May 24 11:13:36 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:13:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:

> Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I cannot ask every speaker to
> prepare a talk *and* write an article.
> 
> > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could
> > choose between 
> > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings
> > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the
> > proceedings (the easy way)
> 
> I agree with this.
> 
> Opinions ?

I can't speak for the others, but I had not in mind to prepare a 
prose paper in addition to a 'bulleted' presentation. At the start
there was some talk about a paper submission process, but I be-
lieve this was sort of silently abstracted away. 

Now it's pretty late for writing papers, I guess. I'm also not sure
having just a few papers is good. I mean I like reading papers, but
given the very informal approach of at least the first EPC event
I'd feel very happy with just a collection of all presentations. 
Preferably in some portable data format, that doesn't require ex-
ternal resources like images and looks and prints the same every-
where with free software - well, PDF for short...

Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe.

Regards,

Dinu




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 24 11:19:37 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:19:37 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241218150.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> ternal resources like images and looks and prints the same every-
> where with free software - well, PDF for short...

Sure, PDF is what is asked for in the speaker's FAQ. I'll state it even
more clearly.

> Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe.

I'm not sure I got your conclusion. Are you saying you vote against
letting speakers provide a paper with their presentation in case they'd
want to ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri May 24 11:35:36 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:35:36 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241218150.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241218150.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <1022236536.3cee17786e92e@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:

> > Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe.
> 
> I'm not sure I got your conclusion. Are you saying you vote against
> letting speakers provide a paper with their presentation in case
> they'd want to ?

No, I'm just questioning the benefit of having presentations from all
speakers (10-20?) while only very few (maybe 2-4) "real" papers from 
just some speakers. For me it's about balance not papers as such. 

If people want to write papers, great. Some might be *required* to do 
so or their academic employers won't pay for the trip (I'm thinking of 
Konrad's funny stories...). 

Dinu



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 24 12:24:20 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:24:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from
> the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the
conference
> (I believe they usually do) ?

We can only allow free access for journalists of big magazines, ie who have
lot's
of subscribers. They've to contact someone of us in front :
europython@p3b.org
Also, it would be nice that these magazines give a not of europython on
their
websites.

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 24 12:27:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:27:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241211450.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from
> > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the
conference
> > (I believe they usually do) ?
>
> As long as they show up with a press id card.

And more important, we need to know of them in front that they are comming!
So, they've to contact europython@p3b.org.

We've to be really carefull, because with no sponsorship at the moment and
the not
so big amount of registrants, we aren't able to give everybody free
entrance....
Sorry, this is the fact of life. If almost nobody supports it (sponsership,
...), or there
are not that much people interested in it (# registrations), then we aren't
able to do
some things like these

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 24 12:31:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:31:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <017f01c20316$882d01d0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Correct,

We don't need a written paper. If people want to do this, no problem, that
would be really nice.
However, all we ask is a 'bulleted' presentation:
  1. To put on CD's.
  2. To check/read by the trackmanagers before the congress starts.

If all things go well (although some things have still to change then...),
we can indeed look forward
to EuroPython2003 and improve the organisation of it a lot. Take also in
mind that we're only
really working since a few months, so not everything can be perfect

Regards,
Tom.

> > > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could
> > > choose between
> > > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings
> > > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the
> > > proceedings (the easy way)
> >
> > I agree with this.
> >
> > Opinions ?
>
> I can't speak for the others, but I had not in mind to prepare a
> prose paper in addition to a 'bulleted' presentation. At the start
> there was some talk about a paper submission process, but I be-
> lieve this was sort of silently abstracted away.
>
> Now it's pretty late for writing papers, I guess. I'm also not sure
> having just a few papers is good. I mean I like reading papers, but
> given the very informal approach of at least the first EPC event
> I'd feel very happy with just a collection of all presentations.
> Preferably in some portable data format, that doesn't require ex-
> ternal resources like images and looks and prints the same every-
> where with free software - well, PDF for short...
>
> Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dinu
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 24 12:42:02 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:42:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241340570.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Fri, 24 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> > > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from
> > > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the
> conference
> > > (I believe they usually do) ?
> >
> > As long as they show up with a press id card.
> 
> And more important, we need to know of them in front that they are comming!
> So, they've to contact europython@p3b.org.

Oops, sorry, I thought we had settled on the former.
 
> We've to be really carefull, because with no sponsorship at the moment
> and the not so big amount of registrants, we aren't able to give
> everybody free entrance.... Sorry, this is the fact of life. If almost
> nobody supports it (sponsership, ...), or there are not that much
> people interested in it (# registrations), then we aren't able to do
> some things like these

So that's the reason... bad news.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 24 14:10:11 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:10:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241340570.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241340570.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020524131011.GA10516@vet.uu.nl>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > We've to be really carefull, because with no sponsorship at the moment
> > and the not so big amount of registrants, we aren't able to give
> > everybody free entrance.... Sorry, this is the fact of life. If almost
> > nobody supports it (sponsership, ...), or there are not that much
> > people interested in it (# registrations), then we aren't able to do
> > some things like these
> 
> So that's the reason... bad news.

I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information
that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant
amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the
end of the month, then dip, and then pick up again until the conference
itself.

So I wouldn't get too worried yet. Though sponsorship in money would of
course be nice, we've received a lot of sponsorship in time and effort.

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 24 14:11:59 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:11:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <20020524131159.GB10516@vet.uu.nl>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>:
> 
> > Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I cannot ask every speaker to
> > prepare a talk *and* write an article.
> > 
> > > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could
> > > choose between 
> > > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings
> > > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the
> > > proceedings (the easy way)
> > 
> > I agree with this.
> > 
> > Opinions ?
> 
> I can't speak for the others, but I had not in mind to prepare a 
> prose paper in addition to a 'bulleted' presentation. At the start
> there was some talk about a paper submission process, but I be-
> lieve this was sort of silently abstracted away. 

Yes, in fact an explicit decision was made not to do this, this year
at least. If people *want* to submit a paper then of course that's
great and we can offer this for download, but it is not a requirement.

Next time we may indeed be more formal.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 24 14:20:48 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:20:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
References: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241340570.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020524131011.GA10516@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <006d01c20325$d1dd74e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > So that's the reason... bad news.
>
> I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information
> that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant
> amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the
> end of the month, then dip, and then pick up again until the conference
> itself.

Correct, if we now in the next weeks (with all the help from all of you to
publish
the press release on different sources) don't get much registrants... then
we've a
problem.
Also strange that the people who mailed that they 'intended' to come didn't
register themself yet. But that's perhaps normal.

> So I wouldn't get too worried yet. Though sponsorship in money would of
> course be nice, we've received a lot of sponsorship in time and effort.

Correct, it would have been nice to have some sponsorship in money.
We have a few, but no major contributers from the Python, Zope
world (or this changed recently without my knowings). And that's a pitty.
If this was the case, then we didn't had to worry at the moment, now we have
to be really stricked concerning the budget, since we've none in front.

Well, let's wait and see. Hopefully we'll get our visitors and next year it
will be better.

Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 24 14:35:12 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:35:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241527290.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <00bd01c20327$d4fa5a60$1e71a8c0@u10136>


> > > I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the
information
> > > that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant
> > > amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the
>
> I suppose we don't have 100 yet, as it would have been announced on the
> website... how many people have registered this far ?

I don't think you really don't want to know this :-(. Wait until beginning
of next week.
We shouldn't give to much of this news out. If lot's people will pick the
bad newst up they will
all want to wait to register.

Tom.




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 24 14:28:52 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:28:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <006d01c20325$d1dd74e0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241527290.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information
> > that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant
> > amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the

I suppose we don't have 100 yet, as it would have been announced on the
website... how many people have registered this far ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From lac@strakt.com  Fri May 24 14:48:02 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:48:02 +0200
Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release
In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
 of "Thu, 23 May 2002 10:25:17 +0200." <3CECA76D.4030501@lemburg.com>
References: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPCEDMDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>  <3CECA76D.4030501@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <200205241348.g4ODm234014051@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> 
> Andrew Smart wrote:
> 
> > The python japan user group list admin rejected my posting...
> 

Is that Tamito Kajiyama's list?  They like their information in
Japanese -- did you translate it?

Laura Creighton



From thomas@reulbach.com  Fri May 24 20:37:08 2002
From: thomas@reulbach.com (Thomas Reulbach)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:37:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020524212236.00ab7410@pop.puretec.de>

I translated index, header, footer and contact page to german as a 
beginning and will continue if nobody opposes.
If you want to change it just give me a hint or change or undo if you don't 
like something.
The Localizer product really made translation a lot easier for me than I 
was used to before.
If you see another priority for the next translating steps just let me know.

Kind Regards

Thomas Reulbach




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 25 11:32:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:32:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020524212236.00ab7410@pop.puretec.de>
Message-ID: <00fd01c203d8$82b7d460$958c84d5@skullsplitter>

Great Thomas!

thanks a lot
----- Original Message -----
From: "Thomas Reulbach" <thomas@reulbach.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:37 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps


> I translated index, header, footer and contact page to german as a
> beginning and will continue if nobody opposes.
> If you want to change it just give me a hint or change or undo if you
don't
> like something.
> The Localizer product really made translation a lot easier for me than I
> was used to before.
> If you see another priority for the next translating steps just let me
know.
>
> Kind Regards
>
> Thomas Reulbach
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sat May 25 11:58:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 12:58:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Accomodations
Message-ID: <010701c203db$130cead0$958c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

There is a new accomodation place available! It's nice and not that
expensive, so have a look.

We've also placed a map with all the hotels and the congress centre, so you
can see the distances between them.

Regards,
Tom.






From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Sat May 25 18:04:20 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:04:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps
References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020524212236.00ab7410@pop.puretec.de> <00fd01c203d8$82b7d460$958c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CEFC414.7050400@nuxeo.com>

The "SESSIONS.Tracks" section is internationalized, ready to
be localized.


Tom Deprez wrote:

>Great Thomas!
>
>thanks a lot
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Thomas Reulbach" <thomas@reulbach.com>
>To: <europython@python.org>
>Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:37 PM
>Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps
>
>
>>I translated index, header, footer and contact page to german as a
>>beginning and will continue if nobody opposes.
>>If you want to change it just give me a hint or change or undo if you
>>
>don't
>
>>like something.
>>The Localizer product really made translation a lot easier for me than I
>>was used to before.
>>If you see another priority for the next translating steps just let me
>>
>know.
>
>>Kind Regards
>>
>>Thomas Reulbach
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>EuroPython mailing list
>>EuroPython@python.org
>>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>_______________________________________________
>>Tom mailing list
>>Tom@aragne.com
>>http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
>>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


-- 
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Python programmer (http://www.python.org)






From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Sun May 26 11:34:20 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:34:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] i18n/l10n status
Message-ID: <3CF0BA2C.4080303@nuxeo.com>

I've internationalized other two or three pages.

The current status is:

           
homepage                 en/es/fr/de
SESSIONS.Tracks          en
SESSIONS.Talks           --
SESSIONS.Timetable       --
COMPANIES.Sponsorship    en
COMPANIES.Exhibitors     --
INFORMATION.Fees         en
INFORMATION.Location     en/de
INFORMATION.Floorplan    en/de
INFORMATION.Travel       en/fr
INFORMATION.Accomodation en
INFORMATION.Tips         en
INFORMATION.Materials    --
SPEAKERS CORNER.FAQ      en
PRESS RELEASES           en/fr
CONTACT                  en/de
NEWS                     --
REGISTRATION             --

("--" means that the page is not internationalized yet)

-- 
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From js@aixtraware.de  Sun May 26 16:23:54 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:23:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Linuxtag participation
Message-ID: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,
on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in=20
Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a=20
computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to promote=20
Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002.

I will be there all four days, and I ask anybody, who has a little time to=20
join me there.




best regards                 Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman)


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phone: +49-2464-8851                fax  : +49-2464-905163
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From sf@fermigier.com  Sun May 26 18:32:01 2002
From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 19:32:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136>; from tom@aragne.com on Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:24:20PM +0200
References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr>

On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:24:20PM +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:
> > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply fr=
om
> > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the
> conference
> > (I believe they usually do) ?
>=20
> We can only allow free access for journalists of big magazines, ie who =
have
> lot's
> of subscribers. They've to contact someone of us in front :
> europython@p3b.org
> Also, it would be nice that these magazines give a not of europython on
> their
> websites.

The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't think
it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers are,
do they have decision power in their company, and so on.

	S.

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Sun May 26 23:59:05 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 00:59:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] i18n/l10n status
References: <3CF0BA2C.4080303@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <009801c20509$7b705880$958c84d5@skullsplitter>

Great work guys!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" <jdavid@nuxeo.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 12:34 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] i18n/l10n status


I've internationalized other two or three pages.

The current status is:


homepage                 en/es/fr/de
SESSIONS.Tracks          en
SESSIONS.Talks           --
SESSIONS.Timetable       --
COMPANIES.Sponsorship    en
COMPANIES.Exhibitors     --
INFORMATION.Fees         en
INFORMATION.Location     en/de
INFORMATION.Floorplan    en/de
INFORMATION.Travel       en/fr
INFORMATION.Accomodation en
INFORMATION.Tips         en
INFORMATION.Materials    --
SPEAKERS CORNER.FAQ      en
PRESS RELEASES           en/fr
CONTACT                  en/de
NEWS                     --
REGISTRATION             --

("--" means that the page is not internationalized yet)

--
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From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de  Mon May 27 00:15:50 2002
From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:15:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Next Chat on Zope?
Message-ID: <MOEBICACDCJPGHPPNAOPCEGKDCAA.Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de>

Hi folks,

I just found out that there is a zope based chat implementation avaiable,
called ZRTChat.

a) Any experience with this?
b) If it's good, maybe we can use this one instead of IRC? Then the folks
working out of office and in restricted LANs can join the chats...

Regards,
Andrew





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 00:36:36 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:36:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi
Message-ID: <014f01c2050e$2f039480$958c84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

We've updated the travel page with timeschedules of the train which you can
take from Zaventem Airport to Charleroi.
This could be handy for some of you.

To the localizers: be warned that I changed the page :-)

Regards,
Tom.





From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Mon May 27 00:51:38 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:51:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi
References: <014f01c2050e$2f039480$958c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CF1750A.3020607@nuxeo.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>We've updated the travel page with timeschedules of the train which you can
>take from Zaventem Airport to Charleroi.
>This could be handy for some of you.
>
>To the localizers: be warned that I changed the page :-)
>

Thanks!, this is important, there's not automatic mechanism
(workflow, etc..) to keep of the changes and notify translators.

So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out
of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing
list to keep track.


-- 
J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com
Python programmer (http://www.python.org)






From js@aixtraware.de  Mon May 27 07:37:15 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:37:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Label printing for the conference. (fwd)
Message-ID: <46720000.1022481435@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

yesterday I already send this to europython@p3b.org, ist this the right=20
place for such things, or the general list ?


---------- Forwarded Message ----------
Date: Sonntag, Mai 26, 2002 18:00:28 +0200
From: Joachim Schmitz <js@aixtraware.de>
To: EuroPython-2002 Org Team <europython@p3b.org>
Subject: Label printing for the conference.

Hi,

since my brother in law is in the printers bussines, I could get hold of a
special labelprinter, which we could use to print the badges for the
conference. It has the advantage, that it can print a single label, and has
a build in cutter, which is much more convenient especially for the onsite
registration. We can get this printer for free. If you are interested, I
will write the software, to print the labels from the registration =
database.



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From tim@2wave.net  Mon May 27 08:31:50 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:31:50 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <20020526160007.23307.40741.Mailman@mail.python.org>
Message-ID: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi

I've just tried to register my student daughter for
the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
there's nowhere for me to put details other than the
card details; I presume that you are authenticating
against the attendee's name? What if people are paying
on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?

Thanks

Tim

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From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 09:23:35 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:23:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF1ED07.60601@lemburg.com>

>>IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could
>>choose between 
>>- providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings
>>- providing one presentation file that will be used also for the
>>proceedings (the easy way)
> 
> 
> I agree with this.
> 
> Opinions ?
> 

+1

Note that we dropped the idea of refereed papers early on in the
discussions due to the additional work load this requires.

Speakers are, of course, free to submit either their slides and/or
a paper for the proceedings. We'll put these files on the web-site
and the CD some time after the conference.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From js@aixtraware.de  Mon May 27 09:21:22 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:21:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

--On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 08:31:50 +0100 Tim Couper=20
<drtimcouper@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi
>
> I've just tried to register my student daughter for
> the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
> there's nowhere for me to put details other than the
> card details; I presume that you are authenticating
> against the attendee's name? What if people are paying
> on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?

That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying the =

registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed and=20
send by email, after successful payment.
Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database.



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 09:38:52 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:38:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr>
Message-ID: <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't think
> it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers are,
> do they have decision power in their company, and so on.

Off course size is not the only important thing. I just meant that we can't
give everybody a free ticket!
We have at the moment around 49 registered people.... that's not good at
all...
Not even that much people who told they were intending to come...
This means that we don't even have enough money to pay the building at the
moment!

I'm seriously thinking that europe just doesn't want a python/zope
conference...
well, at least we tried and for the people who will come.... it will be
great!

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 09:47:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:47:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Label printing for the conference. (fwd)
References: <46720000.1022481435@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <011b01c2055b$16108760$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi Joachim,

Yup, it's the right list. But your message could also be place here.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
To: "europython" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:37 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] Label printing for the conference. (fwd)


> Hi,
>
> yesterday I already send this to europython@p3b.org, ist this the right
> place for such things, or the general list ?
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded Message ----------
> Date: Sonntag, Mai 26, 2002 18:00:28 +0200
> From: Joachim Schmitz <js@aixtraware.de>
> To: EuroPython-2002 Org Team <europython@p3b.org>
> Subject: Label printing for the conference.
>
> Hi,
>
> since my brother in law is in the printers bussines, I could get hold o=
f a
> special labelprinter, which we could use to print the badges for the
> conference. It has the advantage, that it can print a single label, and
has
> a build in cutter, which is much more convenient especially for the ons=
ite
> registration. We can get this printer for free. If you are interested, =
I
> will write the software, to print the labels from the registration
database.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
>
>
>
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 09:48:17 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:48:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <012d01c2055b$3efd84c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Joachim,

Can you give information?

Thanks,
Tom.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tim Couper" <drtimcouper@yahoo.co.uk>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 9:31 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration


> Hi
> 
> I've just tried to register my student daughter for
> the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
> there's nowhere for me to put details other than the
> card details; I presume that you are authenticating
> against the attendee's name? What if people are paying
> on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Tim
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 09:52:21 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:52:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205241152100.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CF1ED07.60601@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <014701c2055b$d09feda0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

+1

----- Original Message -----
From: "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com>
To: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd)


> >>IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could
> >>choose between
> >>- providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings
> >>- providing one presentation file that will be used also for the
proceedings (the easy way)




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 09:53:09 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:53:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Linuxtag participation
References: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <3CF1F3F5.1090101@lemburg.com>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> Hi,
> on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in 
> Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a 
> computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to 
> promote Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002.

Great idea !

> I will be there all four days, and I ask anybody, who has a little time 
> to join me there.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From sf@fermigier.com  Mon May 27 09:53:54 2002
From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:53:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136>; from tom@aragne.com on Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:38:52AM +0200
References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr> <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020527105353.E84757@math.jussieu.fr>

On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:38:52AM +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:
> > The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't think
> > it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers are,
> > do they have decision power in their company, and so on.
>=20
> Off course size is not the only important thing. I just meant that we c=
an't
> give everybody a free ticket!
> We have at the moment around 49 registered people.... that's not good a=
t
> all...
> Not even that much people who told they were intending to come...

Several people from my company will come. Just how many and exactly who,
I can not tell today. (I guess we'll have to make a decision before
the end of the week).

> This means that we don't even have enough money to pay the building at =
the
> moment!

I read on the press release: "Space is filling quickly, so early registra=
tion
at the EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged."

> I'm seriously thinking that europe just doesn't want a python/zope
> conference...
> well, at least we tried and for the people who will come.... it will be
> great!

I'm sure it will.

	S.

--=20
St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile).
http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/
"Amazon: we patent the dot in .com"



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 09:56:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:56:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Joachim,

But still, a person can't pay for someone else, since they can't give the
name of the creditcard holder.

Assume I want to pay for you.
Then I should be able to put in your name in the registration form (=3DOK=
)
And then I should be able to enter my credit card information (with my na=
me)
So, to be correct, the credit card payment page, should have an extra ent=
ry
which allows to enter the
creditcards holder name. (Even if you don't use it, it makes the form
clearer, since most people are
used to such payment forms)

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
To: <tim@2wave.net>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration


> Hi,
>
> --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 08:31:50 +0100 Tim Couper
> <drtimcouper@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > I've just tried to register my student daughter for
> > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
> > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the
> > card details; I presume that you are authenticating
> > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying
> > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?
>
> That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying
the
> registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed a=
nd
> send by email, after successful payment.
> Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database.
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 09:58:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:58:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Linuxtag participation
References: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF1F3F5.1090101@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <016901c2055c$b0812920$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > Hi,
> > on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in 
> > Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a 
> > computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to 
> > promote Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002.

Marvelous! Print some posters and flyers and take them with you

Tom.




From denis@aragne.com  Mon May 27 10:16:20 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:16:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] french PR
In-Reply-To: <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205232004520.31368-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr> <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020527111620.C22197@carolo.net>

Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:38:52AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota:
> > The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't
> > think it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers
> > are, do they have decision power in their company, and so on.
> 
> Off course size is not the only important thing. I just meant that
> we can't give everybody a free ticket!

What we mean with this is that we don't want someone to come saying :
"I've a whole webpage on Python in my personal webzine, so, I'm a 
press guy and I want free access" or "Two years ago I wrote a paper
about snakes in a nowaday dead magazine, so, I owe free access".

If the press contact is really a press contact, then ok.
(By the way, why didn't you tell us which magazine we're talking 
about ?)

Anyway, we should try to obtain some return :
1. Ask them to advertise the event (if it's still possible) ;
2. Ask them if they promise a good (and long enough) article afterwards.

Denis

-- 
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P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 10:20:23 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:20:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3CF1FA57.80607@lemburg.com>

Tim Couper wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I've just tried to register my student daughter for
> the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
> there's nowhere for me to put details other than the
> card details; I presume that you are authenticating
> against the attendee's name? What if people are paying
> on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?

Good point.

Joachim, can we add a name entry field to the credit
card form which is preset with the name entered
on the registration form ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From js@aixtraware.de  Mon May 27 10:16:02 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:16:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
 <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <64760000.1022490962@[10.2.1.1]>

Tom,

the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a payment,=20
at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for whoever you=20
want.


--On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 10:56:34 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com> wrote:

> Joachim,
>
> But still, a person can't pay for someone else, since they can't give the
> name of the creditcard holder.
>
> Assume I want to pay for you.
> Then I should be able to put in your name in the registration form =
(=3DOK)
> And then I should be able to enter my credit card information (with my
> name) So, to be correct, the credit card payment page, should have an
> extra entry which allows to enter the
> creditcards holder name. (Even if you don't use it, it makes the form
> clearer, since most people are
> used to such payment forms)
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
> To: <tim@2wave.net>; <europython@python.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:21 AM
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 08:31:50 +0100 Tim Couper
>> <drtimcouper@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi
>> >
>> > I've just tried to register my student daughter for
>> > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
>> > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the
>> > card details; I presume that you are authenticating
>> > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying
>> > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?
>>
>> That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying
> the
>> registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed =
and
>> send by email, after successful payment.
>> Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database.
>>
>>
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmitz
>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>> AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen
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>> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom
>



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From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 27 10:27:22 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:27:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
 <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527111839.01df33a0@pop.swing.be>

At 10:21 27/05/2002, you wrote:
>That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying=20
>the registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed=
=20
>and send by email, after successful payment.
>Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database.

I am afraid that with the current suite of screens it is not obvious for=20
the subscriber that he should fill the cardholder name in place of its own=
=20
when beginning the registration.

So we have two solutions :

-or add a message in the first screen to state what I tell just above.

-or add a field on the credit card screen with the cardholder name.

IMHO, the first solution is a bad hack while waiting to apply the second.
Actually, I would not feel very secure with a subscription process where I=
=20
should put someoneelse's name even if I have his confidence and approval.

I feel really bad about bothering you further, Joachim, when you already=20
made such a nice job ;-(
If I can be of any help, please let me know.


>Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmitz

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From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 27 10:31:05 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:31:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fees on website
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113009.01e083b8@pop.swing.be>

I just added to the fees page that food is included. It had not be 
mentioned elsewhere than in the list.
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From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 27 10:33:37 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:33:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <64760000.1022490962@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
 <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]>
 <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be>

At 11:16 27/05/2002, you wrote:
>Tom,
>
>the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a payment, 
>at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for whoever you want.

So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so that 
people are not surprised...?


PS Please forget my previous mail about payment.


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From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 27 10:34:13 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:34:13 +0200
Subject: Fwd: Re: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to
 Charleroi
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113409.00abd8f0@pop.swing.be>

>Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:30:04 +0200
>To: Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar <jdavid@nuxeo.com>
>From: Godefroid Chapelle <gotcha@swing.be>
>Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi
>
>At 01:51 27/05/2002, you wrote:
>>So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out
>>of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing
>>list to keep track.
>
>Done

--

Godefroid Chapelle

BubbleNet sprl
rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
Belgium

Tel + 32 (10) 459901
Mob + 32 (477) 363942

TVA 467 093 008
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 10:34:22 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:34:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fees on website
References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113009.01e083b8@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <024201c20561$af2fb0a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Good idea!
Be sure to say it's sandwiches lunch, so that it's not a warm meal people
may expect.

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:31 AM
Subject: [EuroPython] Fees on website


> I just added to the fees page that food is included. It had not be
> mentioned elsewhere than in the list.
> --
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
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> Tom@aragne.com
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 10:35:12 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:35:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
References: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <025001c20561$ccb907c0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> >the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a payment,
> >at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for whoever you
want.
>
> So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so that
> people are not surprised...?

That would be nice

Tom.




From js@aixtraware.de  Mon May 27 10:45:56 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:45:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be>
References: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com>
 <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]><015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <69480000.1022492756@[10.2.1.1]>

yes,

shall I do it ?

--On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 11:33:37 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle=20
<gotcha@swing.be> wrote:

> At 11:16 27/05/2002, you wrote:
>> Tom,
>>
>> the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a
>> payment,  at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for
>> whoever you want.
>
> So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so that
> people are not surprised...?
>
>
> PS Please forget my previous mail about payment.
>
>
> --
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 10:53:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:53:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
References: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]><015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be> <69480000.1022492756@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <029a01c20564$54d9bee0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Yup,

Go ahead.

Tom

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
To: "Godefroid Chapelle" <gotcha@swing.be>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration


> yes,
>
> shall I do it ?
>
> --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 11:33:37 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle
> <gotcha@swing.be> wrote:
>
> > At 11:16 27/05/2002, you wrote:
> >> Tom,
> >>
> >> the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a
> >> payment,  at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay =
for
> >> whoever you want.
> >
> > So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so t=
hat
> > people are not surprised...?
> >
> >
> > PS Please forget my previous mail about payment.
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Godefroid Chapelle
> >
> > BubbleNet sprl
> > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> > Belgium
> >
> > Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> > Mob + 32 (477) 363942
> >
> > TVA 467 093 008
> > RC Niv 49849
> >
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmit=
z
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen
> H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven
> Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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> Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 11:34:00 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:34:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booths anyone ?
References: <3CED14B2.5050203@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CF20B98.1010602@lemburg.com>

Laura, Andy, all the other booth candidates,

please register as soon as possible.

> After all the discussions we had about how to provide booths,
> we are rather surprised that not a single booth was sold until
> today.
> 
> Why is this ?
> 
>     http://europython.org/exhibitors/
> 
> We will need to know about booths by the first week of June.
> Otherwise it is uncertain whether we can guarantee a booth.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From andy@reportlab.com  Mon May 27 12:30:17 2002
From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:30:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab and Tutorials
Message-ID: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIECNDHAA.andy@reportlab.com>

This is just a brief note to say that I am "recovering"
from a 2 week death march project where I and ReportLab
ignored all my emails relating to Europython, open source 
and so on.

I expect to have the tutorial track fully organised later
today (o.k., time zone deliberately not specified), and am 
briefing my staff on what we promised to do with printing 
timetables and badges.  We'll get a functional but 'very
ugly' prototype up on the web first, then start on the
design itself, hopefully this week.

In the meantime, sorry to be out of touch.


Best Regards,


Andy Robinson
CEO and Chief Architect, ReportLab Inc.



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 12:43:51 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 13:43:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab and Tutorials
References: <PGECLPOBGNBNKHNAGIJHIECNDHAA.andy@reportlab.com>
Message-ID: <039701c20573$c57ac310$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Thanks for letting us know Andy!

Tom
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andy Robinson" <andy@reportlab.com>
To: "Europython@Python. Org" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:30 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab and Tutorials


> This is just a brief note to say that I am "recovering"
> from a 2 week death march project where I and ReportLab
> ignored all my emails relating to Europython, open source 
> and so on.
> 
> I expect to have the tutorial track fully organised later
> today (o.k., time zone deliberately not specified), and am 
> briefing my staff on what we promised to do with printing 
> timetables and badges.  We'll get a functional but 'very
> ugly' prototype up on the web first, then start on the
> design itself, hopefully this week.
> 
> In the meantime, sorry to be out of touch.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> 
> Andy Robinson
> CEO and Chief Architect, ReportLab Inc.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon May 27 13:11:15 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:11:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi
In-Reply-To: <3CF1750A.3020607@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271247370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out
> of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing
> list to keep track.

What about opening a page in the wiki ?

lang version         en  fr  es   de
session.talks        1   1   --   --
session.timetable    2   1   --   1
...

which tells us that sessions timetable in "fr" and "de" have to be
updated.

[tipititap]

done. it's at
http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 13:13:56 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:13:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271247370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <040401c20577$f992cdb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

good idea.

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar" <jdavid@nuxeo.com>
Cc: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>; <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi


> > So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out
> > of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing
> > list to keep track.
>
> What about opening a page in the wiki ?
>
> lang version         en  fr  es   de
> session.talks        1   1   --   --
> session.timetable    2   1   --   1
> ....
>
> which tells us that sessions timetable in "fr" and "de" have to be
> updated.
>
> [tipititap]
>
> done. it's at
> http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Mon May 27 13:10:42 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:10:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271247370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF22242.3040406@nuxeo.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:

>>So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out
>>of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing
>>list to keep track.
>>
>
>What about opening a page in the wiki ?
>
>lang version         en  fr  es   de
>session.talks        1   1   --   --
>session.timetable    2   1   --   1
>...
>
>which tells us that sessions timetable in "fr" and "de" have to be
>updated.
>
>[tipititap]
>
>done. it's at
>http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation
>

Great!!



-- 
J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com
Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org)






From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon May 27 13:59:01 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:59:01 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271458220.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Is there an IRC chat planned today ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon May 27 14:04:40 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:04:40 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271459020.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Dear All,

I have a question for which I'd like your input.

I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but
offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning
talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session.

My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very
last moment.

Do you think:

1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3
2. stop accepting LTalks
3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with
   A. real talks
   B. lightning talks

Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say
academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for
talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a 
large set a scientific activities :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 14:07:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:07:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271458220.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <045c01c2057f$80c53af0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Yes.
I'll try to be at the chat.

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:59 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ?


> Is there an IRC chat planned today ?
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 14:09:06 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:09:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271458220.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF22FF2.1060506@lemburg.com>

yes; see the wiki for the agenda

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Is there an IRC chat planned today ?
> 


-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 14:08:53 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:08:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271459020.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <046601c2057f$a6a0d9a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Let's discuss this at the chat.
The Python track perhaps also needed an extra slot.
And Zope perhaps as well...

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 3:04 PM
Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ?


> Dear All,
>
> I have a question for which I'd like your input.
>
> I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but
> offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning
> talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session.
>
> My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the v=
ery
> last moment.
>
> Do you think:
>
> 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3
> 2. stop accepting LTalks
> 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with
>    A. real talks
>    B. lightning talks
>
> Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say
> academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for
> talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a
> large set a scientific activities :-)
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 14:15:20 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:15:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ?
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271459020.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF23168.5010208@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I have a question for which I'd like your input.
> 
> I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but
> offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning
> talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session.
> 
> My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very
> last moment.

Right -- that's the sole purpose of Lightning Talks.

> Do you think:
> 
> 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3

+1

> 2. stop accepting LTalks

People should be able to register for them at the conference,
so you should safe a few slots for on-site registration.

> 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with
>    A. real talks
>    B. lightning talks

You could use session 1 on day 1 (9:00-10:30) for the track as well,
since it is not yet assigned. Sessions 3 and 4 on day 2 are
still in discussion with Martijn for the Python track.

> Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say
> academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for
> talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a 
> large set a scientific activities :-)

We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Mon May 27 14:24:04 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:24:04 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ?
In-Reply-To: <3CF23168.5010208@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271519420.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very
> > last moment.
> 
> Right -- that's the sole purpose of Lightning Talks.

ok.

> > Do you think:
> > 
> > 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3
> 
> +1

But a month before is not the "very last moment" is it ? It's only the
"last moment" :-)

> > 2. stop accepting LTalks
> 
> People should be able to register for them at the conference,
> so you should safe a few slots for on-site registration.

ok.
 
> > 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with
> >    A. real talks
> >    B. lightning talks
> 
> You could use session 1 on day 1 (9:00-10:30) for the track as well,
> since it is not yet assigned. Sessions 3 and 4 on day 2 are
> still in discussion with Martijn for the Python track.

I'll discuss this with Marc Poinot, but I might want to do that.

> > Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say
> > academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for
> > talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a 
> > large set a scientific activities :-)
> 
> We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-)

:-)

I'm sure we'll have even more talks for next year and more time to select
the best ones. My opinion is that the more talks we have, the more people
we may get {interested in, to come to, to talk about} the conference.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 16:09:17 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:09:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting is now...
Message-ID: <3CF24C1D.8000808@lemburg.com>

on irc.openprojects.net #europython

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From lac@strakt.com  Mon May 27 16:11:18 2002
From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:11:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ?
In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
 of "Mon, 27 May 2002 15:04:40 +0200." <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271459020.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205271459020.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <200205271511.g4RFBI34028011@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

> Dear All,
> 
> I have a question for which I'd like your input.
> 
> I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but
> offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning
> talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session.
> 
> My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very
> last moment.
> 
> Do you think:
> 
> 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3
> 2. stop accepting LTalks
> 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with
>    A. real talks
>    B. lightning talks
> 
> Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say
> academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for
> talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a 
> large set a scientific activities :-)
> 
> -- 
> Nicolas Chauvat

I am for maximizing attendence.  Assuming that more people will
come to give their own Lightning talk and listen to other science
Lightning talks than want to come to attend other scientists' real
talks -- use these rules.

Will the people who have real talks come if we only let them give
lightning talks and they have to pay?  If YES then:

	  If you can fill a fourth session with LTalks, 
             do that
	  elif you can fill a fourth session with LTalks and some RTalks, 
             do that
          else fill with the Real Talks.

UNLESS -- you really think that you can get more people to come hear
the Real talks than give the Lightning Ones.  Then do that. 

The tricky judgement call is when you think that a hot paper will
not get presented unless you give it a full slot.  Only you can tell
how much of a problem that is.

My 2 cents.
Laura



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 16:15:11 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:15:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus
Message-ID: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi translators,

I added a menu to the practical info 

Regards,
Tom




From tim@2wave.net  Mon May 27 16:19:28 2002
From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:19:28 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
In-Reply-To: <3CF1FA57.80607@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020527151928.10177.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>

Joachim, Marc, Tom
I think you need to add:

If different form the person applying:

* Name of card holder (preferably as shown on the card
* Address to which the card is registered
You might also want to add the optional e-address of
card holder, so that you can send an email to them
about the payment. 

Tim

 --- "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> wrote: > Tim
Couper wrote:
> > Hi
> > 
> > I've just tried to register my student daughter
> for
> > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
> > there's nowhere for me to put details other than
> the
> > card details; I presume that you are
> authenticating
> > against the attendee's name? What if people are
> paying
> > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?
> 
> Good point.
> 
> Joachim, can we add a name entry field to the credit
> card form which is preset with the name entered
> on the registration form ?
> 
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>
______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                          
> http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                  
> http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>  

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From gotcha@swing.be  Mon May 27 16:50:49 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:50:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus
In-Reply-To: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527175035.01cc5ce8@pop.swing.be>

At 17:15 27/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>Hi translators,
>
>I added a menu to the practical info

Translated to french


>Regards,
>Tom
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

--

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From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Mon May 27 16:48:38 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:48:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus
References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com>

Thanks Tom, I've added the new item to the wiki.

However, I think this is going to be more difficult to
internationalize because it's another product, ZWiki,
which is not multilingual. I'll think about some workaround.


Tom Deprez wrote:

>Hi translators,
>
>I added a menu to the practical info 
>
>Regards,
>Tom
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


-- 
J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com
Python programmer (http://www.python.org)






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 16:59:24 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:59:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus
References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <059c01c20597$78b566b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Juan,

I think you don't need to translate this. People need to talk which each
other, etc, so they should use a common language.

Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar" <jdavid@nuxeo.com>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Update Menus


> Thanks Tom, I've added the new item to the wiki.
>
> However, I think this is going to be more difficult to
> internationalize because it's another product, ZWiki,
> which is not multilingual. I'll think about some workaround.
>
>
> Tom Deprez wrote:
>
> >Hi translators,
> >
> >I added a menu to the practical info
> >
> >Regards,
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >EuroPython mailing list
> >EuroPython@python.org
> >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
>
>
> --
> J. David Ib=E1=F1ez, Nuxeo.com
> Python programmer (http://www.python.org)
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From jdavid@nuxeo.com  Mon May 27 16:56:45 2002
From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:56:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus
References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com> <059c01c20597$78b566b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <3CF2573D.1090300@nuxeo.com>

Uff! thanks :-)


Tom Deprez wrote:

>Juan,
>
>I think you don't need to translate this. People need to talk which each
>other, etc, so they should use a common language.
>
>Tom
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" <jdavid@nuxeo.com>
>To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
>Cc: <europython@python.org>
>Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:48 PM
>Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Update Menus
>
>
>>Thanks Tom, I've added the new item to the wiki.
>>
>>However, I think this is going to be more difficult to
>>internationalize because it's another product, ZWiki,
>>which is not multilingual. I'll think about some workaround.
>>
>>
>>Tom Deprez wrote:
>>
>>>Hi translators,
>>>
>>>I added a menu to the practical info
>>>
>>>Regards,
>>>Tom
>>>
-- 
J. David Ib??ez, Nuxeo.com
Python programmer (http://www.python.org)






From eurozope-admin@comlounge.net  Sun May 26 16:23:54 2002
From: eurozope-admin@comlounge.net (eurozope-admin@comlounge.net)
Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:23:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [ez] Linuxtag participation
Message-ID: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,
on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in=20
Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a=20
computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to promote=20
Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002.

I will be there all four days, and I ask anybody, who has a little time to=20
join me there.




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From denis@aragne.com  Mon May 27 18:29:26 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:29:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus
In-Reply-To: <3CF2573D.1090300@nuxeo.com>
References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com> <059c01c20597$78b566b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF2573D.1090300@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <20020527192926.E22197@carolo.net>

Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 05:56:45PM +0200, Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar p=
ianota:
>=20
> Uff! thanks :-)

:-)

But don't forget to translate the first wiki ...
(no, I'm kidding).

Thank you for your help, Juan David. I guess some people have
discovered the magic your product can do.

Denis
--=20
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org=20
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From js@aixtraware.de  Mon May 27 19:33:31 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:33:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
Message-ID: <106220000.1022524411@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

on top of the list of registered participants, there is now a selection=20
menu. It should be evident what is selected ;-)

http://www.europython.org/Registration/Admin/

You have to be logged in.


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From mal@lemburg.com  Mon May 27 20:01:48 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:01:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Extended 4. sessions on day1 and day2
Message-ID: <3CF2829C.9040408@lemburg.com>

To all track champions:

We have decided to extend the fourth
session on day1 and day2 to full sessions. These were previously
only 45 minute sessions, now you can use the full 90 minutes
giving you extra space for talks.

The new schedule looks like this:

	Coffee:    08:30 - 09:00
	Session 1: 09:00 - 10:30
	Coffee:    10:30 - 11:00
	Session 2: 11:00 - 12:30
	Lunch:     12:30 - 13:30
	Session 3: 13:30 - 15:00
	Coffee:    15:00 - 15:30
	Session 4: 15:30 - 17:00
	Keynote:   17:15 - 18:00

The web-site will be updated ASAP.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From denis@aragne.com  Mon May 27 21:23:17 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:23:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
Message-ID: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net>

Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 03:15:20PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> [...]
> We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-)

I'll jump on Marc-Andre's last sentence to start this new thread.

We should start speaking about EuroPython 2003.

Let's remember we could have asked for European Communities support
if we had done it early enough. I was told it could be possible for next
year if we send them an application before June 14 2002. It's within 2
weeks and a chunk.

So, what will we decide for next year ?

We've learned a lot with this first organization, we've a multilingual
website, a logo, much contacts, etc. With some time more we would have
had much more advertisement and a lower entrance fee. Starting now can
change a lot.

Denis

-- 
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P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 21:33:09 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:33:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Added new page
Message-ID: <015c01c205bd$dc0fb550$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

New page added for companies

http://europython.zope.nl/propaganda

For 300 EUR you can distribute flyers / CD's / etc through the visitor bags.


Translators: be warned :-)

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 21:34:03 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:34:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] page update
Message-ID: <016301c205bd$e1751620$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Timetable updated to reflect decisions of last chat:

http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Mon May 27 21:53:48 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:53:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

> We've learned a lot with this first organization, we've a multilingual
> website, a logo, much contacts, etc. With some time more we would have
> had much more advertisement and a lower entrance fee. Starting now can
> change a lot.

Correct! Let's start working on this one. Where will it take place?
Perhaps it's good to have it once more in Charleroi? We've learned a lot
here
and could optimize everything, so the general things will be easier for the
other
years.

Tom.





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Mon May 27 22:07:10 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:07:10 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <1022533630.3cf29ffe9643a@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> Correct! Let's start working on this one. Where will it take place?
> Perhaps it's good to have it once more in Charleroi? We've learned a
> lot here and could optimize everything, so the general things will 
> be easier for the other years.

Maybe also very important is *when*? Josette from O'Reilly UK told 
me she was unhappy with the date this year because it would collide 
with some UK Linux event. Of course, you can't please all, but spen-
ding some significant time researching calendars with possibly com-
peting events seems like a good idea to me. 

This makes me wonder, how about compiling a list of 10 (or 100?)
most important problems and solutions learned from this year's EPC
in order to ease the work of next year's equippe?

Regards,

Dinu



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 08:33:48 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:33:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration
References: <20020527151928.10177.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3CF332DC.5050606@lemburg.com>

Tim Couper wrote:
> Joachim, Marc, Tom
> I think you need to add:
> 
> If different form the person applying:
> 
> * Name of card holder (preferably as shown on the card

Joachim pointed out to us that the name on the card
is not required by the payment provider. Still, there
now is a field for the card holder name on the form,
so you should be set now :-)

> * Address to which the card is registered

This is not needed.

> You might also want to add the optional e-address of
> card holder, so that you can send an email to them
> about the payment. 

Not sure about this one. There might be a need for
something like a receipt which we could send by email,
but since noone has asked for this, I suppose we
shouldn't bother.

Still, we should probably note that VAT is not charged
by P3B, the conference organizer.

> Tim
> 
>  --- "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> wrote: > Tim
> Couper wrote:
> 
>>>Hi
>>>
>>>I've just tried to register my student daughter
>>
>>for
>>
>>>the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but
>>>there's nowhere for me to put details other than
>>
>>the
>>
>>>card details; I presume that you are
>>
>>authenticating
>>
>>>against the attendee's name? What if people are
>>
>>paying
>>
>>>on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her?
>>
>>Good point.
>>
>>Joachim, can we add a name entry field to the credit
>>card form which is preset with the name entered
>>on the registration form ?
>>
>>-- 
>>Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>>
> 
> ______________________________________________________________________
> 
>>Company & Consulting:                          
>>http://www.egenix.com/
>>Python Software:                  
>>http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
>> 
> 
> 
> __________________________________________________
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> Everything you'll ever need on one web page
> from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
> http://uk.my.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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______________________________________________________________________
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Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 08:43:32 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:43:32 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <106220000.1022524411@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205280943170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Mon, 27 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> on top of the list of registered participants, there is now a selection 
> menu. It should be evident what is selected ;-)

It is, but it does not appear to work...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 08:45:56 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:45:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com>

Denis Fr=E8re wrote:
> Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 03:15:20PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
>=20
>>[...]
>>We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-)
>=20
>=20
> I'll jump on Marc-Andre's last sentence to start this new thread.
>=20
> We should start speaking about EuroPython 2003.
>=20
> Let's remember we could have asked for European Communities support
> if we had done it early enough. I was told it could be possible for nex=
t
> year if we send them an application before June 14 2002. It's within 2
> weeks and a chunk.
>=20
> So, what will we decide for next year ?
>=20
> We've learned a lot with this first organization, we've a multilingual
> website, a logo, much contacts, etc. With some time more we would have
> had much more advertisement and a lower entrance fee. Starting now can
> change a lot.

Indeed.

I think the most important change to consider is getting
a professional conference organizer to take care of the conference
maintenance (location, food, hostesses, projectors, badges, etc.).

That way we can focus more on the contents of the conference and
getting the word out. It also helps in reducing the conflict
levels a bit: there's really no point in losing good contacts
on the grounds of organizing a conference.

About the EU fund: what needs to be done for the application ?
Can't we just send one in without adding too many details, like
e.g. the where and when ?

About the where: if we want to stick to the current level
of entrance fees, then we should consider getting a cheaper
location for the conference, e.g. use university facilities.
The location should also be easily reachable by plane, trane
and car.

About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with
some UK events and there's also the football world... so how
about the first week of June ?!

--=20
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 08:56:16 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:56:16 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205280948280.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> So, what will we decide for next year ?

I'm in favor of taking the same people that did most of the work so far,
as long as they are willing to, name them "EuroPython Conference
Committee" and ask them to organize another event for next year. But this
time, let's drop the "completely volunteer" stuff. This thing is *very*
time consuming and I see no reason why the organizers would not get paid
for their work. As we organized this year's event without getting paid and
know what each person did, I'm sure we will now trust each other to do his
part if he commits to it, or even more than his part if needs be. There is
no need to get paid as much as for a standard contracting work, but at
least you know that you get more than fame out of it, which is always
important when running a business. Of course volunteers will always be
welcome and have things to help out with.

If we get a european grant, that would probably not increase the entrance
fee.

What do you think ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 08:59:15 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:59:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] page update
In-Reply-To: <016301c205bd$e1751620$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205280958420.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> Timetable updated to reflect decisions of last chat:
> 
> http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule

Oops, looks like Guido is not welcomed anymore, as ESR will give *two*
(should I say all?) keynote speaches :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 09:02:41 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:02:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205280943170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205280943170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <124920000.1022572961@[10.2.1.1]>

Some good news,

I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more=20
real entries.
So we have more than 37 but less than 61.
I work to find out why the real ones don't show up.


--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 09:43:32 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20
<Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:

> On Mon, 27 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> on top of the list of registered participants, there is now a selection
>> menu. It should be evident what is selected ;-)
>
> It is, but it does not appear to work...
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris
> (France)
>



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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 09:07:30 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:07:30 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <124920000.1022572961@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281006170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote:

> Some good news,
> 
> I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more 
> real entries.
> So we have more than 37 but less than 61.
> I work to find out why the real ones don't show up.

I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twice,
asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 09:09:00 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:09:00 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281007410.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I think the most important change to consider is getting a
> professional conference organizer to take care of the conference
> maintenance (location, food, hostesses, projectors, badges, etc.).

Agreed. We should contract such a company to do the grunt work and focus
on content and public relations.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 09:11:11 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:11:11 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281009420.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

Hi,

I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not
pay. How am I supposed to (not) do this ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 09:45:45 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:45:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281006170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281006170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <127120000.1022575544@[10.2.1.1]>

I am just writing an dtml-method, to send an email to those, which don't=20
have an registration date, apparently they had problems to confirm the=20
payment. When it is working, it can be invoked with a link.
The mail will contain a link, to continue their registration.

If you send emails in the meantime, could you bcc them to me ?


--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 10:07:30 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20
<Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>
>> Some good news,
>>
>> I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more
>> real entries.
>> So we have more than 37 but less than 61.
>> I work to find out why the real ones don't show up.
>
> I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered =
twice,
> asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ?
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris
> (France)
>



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From holger@trillke.net  Tue May 28 09:54:17 2002
From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:54:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281007410.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281007410.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke>

[Nicolas Chauvat Tue, May 28, 2002 at 10:09:00AM +0200]
> > I think the most important change to consider is getting a
> > professional conference organizer to take care of the conference
> > maintenance (location, food, hostesses, projectors, badges, etc.).
> 
> Agreed. We should contract such a company to do the grunt work and focus
> on content and public relations.

just my 2c... 

I visited the CCC-congress with ~800 people in berlin and
the fosdem in Bruxelles with ~600 people. They both were well 
organized by volunteers and they were great events. 
They both weren't the first of their type, though! Have some patience ...

The intended type of the event is especially important: 
Is it for developers/hackers or for business people?  
Trying to mix these types is *difficult* and needs special 
considerations and experiences.  (regarding accomodation, 
prices, talks, mostly everything).

And anyway, i believe that EuroPython will be a success! 
I have organized bigger events myself and there almost 
always is a great depression because of uncertainty.
(btw, for the CCC-congress you can't even preregister!)
Also there almost always is a misallocation of resources
(caring for not-right-now-important-things too much).

After the web-site has enough information (*) I suggest 
that everyone writes a *personal* inventation on their 
respective mailing lists (where they are personally known). 
Sending out press releases on developers mailing lists is 
not the right means if i dare say that.

best regards,

    holger


(*) IMO  the information about 'who gives a talk about what' 
    is the most important information. everything else from
    city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you
    decided you want to come!).



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 10:12:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:12:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281006170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <018e01c20627$ba51a800$1e71a8c0@u10136>

go ahead. This will clear out things.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Joachim Schmitz" <js@aixtraware.de>
Cc: "europython" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people


> On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>
> > Some good news,
> >
> > I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some m=
ore
> > real entries.
> > So we have more than 37 but less than 61.
> > I work to find out why the real ones don't show up.
>
> I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twi=
ce,
> asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ?
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be  Tue May 28 10:11:19 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom.deprez@uz.kuleuven.ac.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:11:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] page update
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205280958420.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <017c01c20627$a0e245f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Arrghhh!!!!

Sorry! I'll update it this evening.

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] page update


> On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
>
> > Timetable updated to reflect decisions of last chat:
> >
> > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule
>
> Oops, looks like Guido is not welcomed anymore, as ESR will give *two*
> (should I say all?) keynote speaches :-)
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 10:13:23 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:13:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281009420.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <019e01c20627$eaed59f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hi,
>
> I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not pay.

Are they speakers, press people?

>How am I supposed to (not) do this ?

go to the admin folder in the registration folder. click on the view tab and
there you can enter these
persons

Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 10:17:11 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:17:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281007410.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke>
Message-ID: <01ca01c20628$72fe1d70$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> (*) IMO  the information about 'who gives a talk about what'
>     is the most important information. everything else from
>     city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you
>     decided you want to come!).

Correct, that's why I urged (some time back) all the track managers to put
the talks online.

http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks

Regards,
Tom.




From tismer@tismer.com  Tue May 28 10:23:55 2002
From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 02:23:55 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281007410.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke>
Message-ID: <3CF34CAB.7070109@tismer.com>

holger@trillke.net wrote:
...

> And anyway, i believe that EuroPython will be a success! 

sure it will.

[p.s.]

> (*) IMO  the information about 'who gives a talk about what' 
>     is the most important information. everything else from
>     city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you
>     decided you want to come!).

Are you saying that I should do an announcement tomorrow
on python-announce that I will talk again about well-known
stack switching techniques for Python???
I'm not sure if it helps, but if you say so, I can shout
out quite loud. Or do you believe it could even distract
people? Then I would instead shut up, loudly :-)

cheeerioh - chris
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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 10:27:56 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:27:56 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
In-Reply-To: <019e01c20627$eaed59f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281126440.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 28 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> > Hi,
> >
> > I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not pay.
> 
> Are they speakers, press people?

Speakers. See above :-)
 
> >How am I supposed to (not) do this ?
> 
> go to the admin folder in the registration folder. click on the view
> tab and there you can enter these persons

But it asks me for payment method, right ? How are we supposed to know
that a person will not pay then ? Won't this put us in trouble when
calculating the budget ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 10:28:41 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:28:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281006170.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF34DC9.9030700@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> 
> 
>>Some good news,
>>
>>I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more 
>>real entries.
>>So we have more than 37 but less than 61.
>>I work to find out why the real ones don't show up.
> 
> 
> I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twice,
> asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ?

That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people
who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than
one ticket.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 10:30:21 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:30:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281126440.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <031c01c2062a$49d62800$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not
pay.
> >
> > Are they speakers, press people?
>
> Speakers. See above :-)

oops. Again hard night :-)

> > >How am I supposed to (not) do this ?
> >
> > go to the admin folder in the registration folder. click on the view
> > tab and there you can enter these persons
>
> But it asks me for payment method, right ? How are we supposed to know
> that a person will not pay then ? Won't this put us in trouble when
> calculating the budget ?

No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR)
And I use the SWIFT Payment option.
Knowing these two, it shouldn't give a problem counting the budget

Regards,
Tom.




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 10:31:21 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:31:21 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281130190.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> I visited the CCC-congress with ~800 people in berlin and
> the fosdem in Bruxelles with ~600 people. They both were well 
> organized by volunteers and they were great events. 
> They both weren't the first of their type, though! Have some patience ...

That's good news, but if we are to apply for EU funding, we'll need to
write down a budget anyway, so let's plan on contracting someone else and
do the work ourselves if we decide to.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 10:30:05 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:30:05 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <3CF34DC9.9030700@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281129320.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twice,
> > asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ?
> 
> That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people
> who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than
> one ticket.

I postponed that until Joachim looks into it further. I sent him the info
about what I did.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From oli@aragne.com  Tue May 28 10:33:27 2002
From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:33:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com>
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020528093327.GA1602@debian>

On mar, 28 mai 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with
> some UK events and there's also the football world... so how
> about the first week of June ?!

It's near to impossible to choose a date that doesn't overlap with some
other event. The problem with the beginning of June is the student exams.
The end of June is not so bad. Nearly all students will have finished
their exams. And most of the time, the weather is nice.

Should we take into account a sport event ? I'm not a football fan so I
can't tell.

If June is to be reconsidered, I think the middle of September or March
and April would be good candidates. I would probably exclude May (exams)
and July and August (holidays).

-- 
Olivier Laurent.
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OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 10:40:20 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:40:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281130190.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF35084.7020908@lemburg.com>


Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>I visited the CCC-congress with ~800 people in berlin and
>>the fosdem in Bruxelles with ~600 people. They both were well 
>>organized by volunteers and they were great events. 
>>They both weren't the first of their type, though! Have some patience ...
> 
> 
> That's good news, but if we are to apply for EU funding, we'll need to
> write down a budget anyway, so let's plan on contracting someone else and
> do the work ourselves if we decide to.

+1

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 10:42:45 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:42:45 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
In-Reply-To: <031c01c2062a$49d62800$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281142150.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) And
> I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give a
> problem counting the budget

I keep getting errors :

Error Type: TALESError
            Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has
            no attribute 'greaterThan' in ""

:-(

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 11:04:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:04:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281142150.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF35643.6070401@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) And
>>I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give a
>>problem counting the budget
> 
> 
> I keep getting errors :
> 
> Error Type: TALESError
>             Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has
>             no attribute 'greaterThan' in ""
> 
> :-(
> 

It seems you have to enter today's date in both date fields on
the form (registered on... and payed on...). Works for me at least.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 11:24:44 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:24:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281142150.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <03f501c20631$e2d72570$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Have you entered 0. In the amount box?

Tom.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr>
To: "Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com>
Cc: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people


> > No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) An=
d
> > I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give =
a
> > problem counting the budget
>
> I keep getting errors :
>
> Error Type: TALESError
>             Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has
>             no attribute 'greaterThan' in ""
>
> :-(
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari=
s
(France)
>
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From mwh@python.net  Tue May 28 12:28:11 2002
From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: 28 May 2002 12:28:11 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: "M.-A. Lemburg"'s message of "Tue, 28 May 2002 09:45:56 +0200"
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> writes:

> About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with
> some UK events 

Not sure which ones.  There's a Linux Developers conference the week after...

> and there's also the football world... so how about the first week
> of June ?!

Would be annoyingly early for many I suspect.  It's still exam season here.

Cheers,
M.

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From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 12:39:51 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:39:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@lemburg.com> writes:
> 
> 
>>About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with
>>some UK events 
> 
> 
> Not sure which ones.  There's a Linux Developers conference the week after...
> 
> 
>>and there's also the football world... so how about the first week
>>of June ?!
> 
> 
> Would be annoyingly early for many I suspect.  It's still exam season here.

Hmm, it seems then that the last week in June is more attractive,
then, right ?

(just gathering ideas)

-- 
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CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 12:49:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:49:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net> <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <004501c2063d$a92fd090$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Hmm, it seems then that the last week in June is more attractive,
> then, right ?
>
> (just gathering ideas)

I think so, don't also forget that the football is each every 4 years...
still, I'm not a person who wouldn't go to a congress because of a
worldcup.
Don't think there are much people who would. If so, they will probably
also take days off.

Regards,
Tom.




From denis@aragne.com  Tue May 28 12:56:29 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:56:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com>
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net> <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <20020528135629.R575@carolo.net>

Le Tue, May 28, 2002 at 01:39:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota:
> 
> Hmm, it seems then that the last week in June is more attractive,
> then, right ?
> 
> (just gathering ideas)

I do think so.

Denis

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From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 13:03:03 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:03:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281129320.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281129320.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <143160000.1022587383@[10.2.1.1]>

I added several things,

1. there is now a remindmail link, which sends the following mail:

dear Mr. Test,

you or someone, who knows your emailaddress, have filled in the data
below, for registering at the EuroPython 2002. But apparently you did not
complete the whole process -- you did not specify a payment method.

You can complete your registration by following this link

http://www.europython.org/Registration/confirm?itemId=3D021431704

or please send a reply and inform us, what to do with this registration.


The registration information:

Registration-Id: 021431704
Name: Mr. Test


E-mail:  js@aixtraware.de
T-shirt: XL
---- end of mail

after sending it sets/appends to the attribute mails,

2002/05/28 11:29:38.095 GMT+2 remind

2. in the add/edit form

- You can now choose between different paymentmethods, tell me if you want=20
more.

- I add the mails field, enter a line, if you send an email manually.

- the date-fields have now a value of 1.1.1970 for "None", this is a hack,=20
cause there is no "None" date-value

I think you keep me informed about problems ;-)




--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 11:30:05 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20
<Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:

>> > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered
>> > twice, asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ?
>>
>> That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people
>> who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than
>> one ticket.
>
> I postponed that until Joachim looks into it further. I sent him the info
> about what I did.
>
> --
> Nicolas Chauvat
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris
> (France)
>



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 13:09:59 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:09:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281129320.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <143160000.1022587383@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <00a901c20640$96b8c400$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR?
This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't receive a
message.

Tom.

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> I added several things,
>
> 1. there is now a remindmail link, which sends the following mail:
>
> dear Mr. Test,
>
> you or someone, who knows your emailaddress, have filled in the data
> below, for registering at the EuroPython 2002. But apparently you did
> not complete the whole process -- you did not specify a payment
> method.
>
> You can complete your registration by following this link
>
> http://www.europython.org/Registration/confirm?itemId=3D021431704
>
> or please send a reply and inform us, what to do with this
> registration.
>
>
> The registration information:
>
> Registration-Id: 021431704
> Name: Mr. Test
>
>
> E-mail:  js@aixtraware.de
> T-shirt: XL
> ---- end of mail
>
> after sending it sets/appends to the attribute mails,
>
> 2002/05/28 11:29:38.095 GMT+2 remind
>
> 2. in the add/edit form
>
> - You can now choose between different paymentmethods, tell me if you
> want more.
>
> - I add the mails field, enter a line, if you send an email manually.
>
> - the date-fields have now a value of 1.1.1970 for "None", this is a
> hack, cause there is no "None" date-value
>
> I think you keep me informed about problems ;-)
>
>
>
>
> --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 11:30:05 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat
> <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:
>
>>>> I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered
>>>> twice, asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or
>>>> not ?
>>>
>>> That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people
>>> who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than
>>> one ticket.
>>
>> I postponed that until Joachim looks into it further. I sent him the
>> info about what I did.
>>
>> --
>> Nicolas Chauvat
>>
>> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
>> Paris (France)
>>
>
>
>
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From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 13:15:08 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:15:08 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <00a901c20640$96b8c400$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR?
> This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't receive a
> message.

I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that could take
one of the following values ['speaker','press','attendee'].

By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be modifiable, but
when editing a form, an authenticated user (us) could select speaker or
press.

Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please? 

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 13:18:53 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:18:53 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281418180.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

BTW, where did the "delete" link go ? on the
http://www.europython.org/Registration/Admin/ page ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 13:18:37 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:18:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <00cd01c20641$cb610810$1e71a8c0@u10136>

+1

Is better, if possible.

Tom.

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR?
>> This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't
>> receive a message.
>
> I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that could
> take one of the following values ['speaker','press','attendee'].
>
> By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be modifiable,
> but when editing a form, an authenticated user (us) could select
> speaker or press.
>
> Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please?
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From holger@trillke.net  Tue May 28 14:01:08 2002
From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:01:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <3CF34CAB.7070109@tismer.com>
References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281007410.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke> <3CF34CAB.7070109@tismer.com>
Message-ID: <20020528130108.GG2845@devel.trillke>

[Christian Tismer Tue, May 28, 2002 at 02:23:55AM -0700]
> holger@trillke.net wrote:
> ...
> 
> >And anyway, i believe that EuroPython will be a success! 
> 
> sure it will.
> 
> [p.s.]
> 
> >(*) IMO  the information about 'who gives a talk about what' 
> >    is the most important information. everything else from
> >    city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you
> >    decided you want to come!).
> 
> Are you saying that I should do an announcement tomorrow
> on python-announce that I will talk again about well-known
> stack switching techniques for Python???

yes. Many people have only distantly heard about this
mysterious cutting edge stackless (less what?) project
where they keep talking about ALT and PAR statements, 
languages long forgotten and which manages to p*** off
the BDFL from time to time :-)

I am not saying that everybody should flood c.l.py with
announcements, but for example i sometimes mention it to
people when we are discussing issues ("are you by any
change at europython next month? we can continue in depth ...").

> I'm not sure if it helps, but if you say so, I can shout
> out quite loud. Or do you believe it could even distract
> people? Then I would instead shut up, loudly :-)

no doubt :-)

cheers,

    holger



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 14:03:49 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:03:49 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
In-Reply-To: <20020528130108.GG2845@devel.trillke>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281502560.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> people when we are discussing issues ("are you by any
> change at europython next month? we can continue in depth ...").

Yes, that's a very nice way of doing it. I do that too and I'm sure I'm
not the only one.

Others, please publicise our conference this way as well.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 14:33:25 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:33:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 14:15:08 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20
<Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:

>> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR?
>> This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't receive a
>> message.
>
> I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that could =
take
> one of the following values ['speaker','press','attendee'].
>
> By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be modifiable, but
> when editing a form, an authenticated user (us) could select speaker or
> press.
>
> Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please?

done ;-)

The attribute was already there named "reg_type", it is empty for everybody =

registered till now, so we take the empty value for "attendee". I also =
added
"staff" to the list, perhaps we also need something like "org team". We can =

then also print the appropriate badges.

Please fill also the field paymentmethod where appropriate.

How do you like the new list layout ?

BTW: the delete link is hidden, to avoid unwanted deletions, I think I put=20
it into the edit-form.



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 14:45:01 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:45:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 14:15:08 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat
> <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:
>
>>> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR?
>>> This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't
>>> receive a message.
>>
>> I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that
>> could take one of the following values
>> ['speaker','press','attendee'].
>>
>> By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be
>> modifiable, but when editing a form, an authenticated user (us)
>> could select speaker or press.
>>
>> Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please?
>
> done ;-)
>
> The attribute was already there named "reg_type", it is empty for
> everybody registered till now, so we take the empty value for
> "attendee". I also added "staff" to the list, perhaps we also need
> something like "org team". We can then also print the appropriate
> badges.
>
> Please fill also the field paymentmethod where appropriate.
>
> How do you like the new list layout ?

Fine. Could you also add a way to browse through the list?
If you show all, you can only see the first entries and I don't see any
way to get to the others.

> BTW: the delete link is hidden, to avoid unwanted deletions, I think
> I put it into the edit-form.
>
>
>
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From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 14:47:00 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:47:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <150740000.1022593620@[10.2.1.1]>

the delete link is now in the edit window in the bottom right corner. It=20
still asks for confirmation, before deleting.

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 14:52:03 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:52:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <01a601c2064e$d8b0b3f0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> Please fill also the field paymentmethod where appropriate.
>
> How do you like the new list layout ?
I've changed the press people according to the new database entries.

Could we sort the columns on eg name, payment type, country,...?

It would be nice if the fields on one person would have
cellspacing/cellpadding = 0
and that the cellspacing/padding is only active between different
records.

Regards,
Tom.





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 14:52:51 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:52:51 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <150740000.1022593620@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281551560.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> the delete link is now in the edit window in the bottom right corner. It 
> still asks for confirmation, before deleting.

nice.

I'm walking thru the list of registered people.
Could the ones (Tom?) that added press people mark them as such so that I
do not send them the e-mail reminder ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 14:54:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:54:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281551560.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <01ea01c2064f$3a03b620$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I'm walking thru the list of registered people.
> Could the ones (Tom?) that added press people mark them as such so
> that I do not send them the e-mail reminder ?

Done, our mails crossed :-)

Joachim, one point. I see that some entries now contain a payment of
['0','0']. ?

Regards,
Tom.




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 14:58:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:58:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
Message-ID: <020401c2064f$c8daca00$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Joachim,

some with the 'free' option have still the 'reminder' link

Tom.




From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 14:58:54 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:58:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people
In-Reply-To: <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 15:45:01 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

>>
>> How do you like the new list layout ?
>
> Fine. Could you also add a way to browse through the list?
> If you show all, you can only see the first entries and I don't see any
> way to get to the others.

that was a small bug, when you didn't push the go buttom, it is fixed now.



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From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 15:24:07 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:24:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>

I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
the export still fails with the following errors:

*** failed to fetch item 021481207: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
*** failed to fetch item 02147102801: not well-formed (invalid token): line 583, column 16
*** failed to fetch item 021471034: not well-formed (invalid token): line 297, column 16
*** failed to fetch item 021381535: not well-formed (invalid token): line 297, column 16
*** failed to fetch item 021431710: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
*** failed to fetch item 021371645: not well-formed (invalid token): line 506, column 32
*** failed to fetch item 021471421: not well-formed (invalid token): line 531, column 16
*** failed to fetch item 021441050: not well-formed (invalid token): line 297, column 16
*** failed to fetch item 021450024: not well-formed (invalid token): line 583, column 16

This looks like a server side problem to me. Esp. the not
well-formed errors are disturbing. The server side should use
Latin-1 as default encoding rather than UTF-8.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 15:26:17 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:26:17 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
In-Reply-To: <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281624370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Tue, 28 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
> the export still fails with the following errors:

I tried to change Tom's registration in order for our system not to offer
to send an e-mail reminder and now it's broken and won't display the list
of registrations any more...

Error Type: TALESError
             Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has
no attribute 'greaterThanEqualTo' in ""

Help ! Please.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 15:38:14 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:38:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CF39656.8090401@lemburg.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
> the export still fails with the following errors:
> 
> *** failed to fetch item 021481207: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
> *** failed to fetch item 02147102801: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 583, column 16
> *** failed to fetch item 021471034: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 297, column 16
> *** failed to fetch item 021381535: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 297, column 16
> *** failed to fetch item 021431710: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
> *** failed to fetch item 021371645: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 506, column 32
> *** failed to fetch item 021471421: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 531, column 16
> *** failed to fetch item 021441050: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 297, column 16
> *** failed to fetch item 021450024: not well-formed (invalid token): 
> line 583, column 16
> 
> This looks like a server side problem to me. Esp. the not
> well-formed errors are disturbing. The server side should use
> Latin-1 as default encoding rather than UTF-8.

Looking at the successfully exported data it seems we have
one big mess there ;-)

The date format seems to have changed sometimes, amount sometimes
contains a list of two strings, some entries use '' others None,
the mail field starts with an \n.

Also, there are some strange entries like the one with
email "debian@debian.org" -- has the form been hacked or
was this a test ?

I'll fix the script to recognize these special cases...

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 15:38:25 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:38:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281624370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <026e01c20655$5365ea10$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Nicolas,

Which method did you change? I'll have a look at.

Tom

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Tue, 28 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
>> I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
>> the export still fails with the following errors:
>
> I tried to change Tom's registration in order for our system not to
> offer to send an e-mail reminder and now it's broken and won't
> display the list of registrations any more...
>
> Error Type: TALESError
>              Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object
> has no attribute 'greaterThanEqualTo' in ""
>
> Help ! Please.
>
> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
> Paris (France)
>
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Tue May 28 15:41:27 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:41:27 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
In-Reply-To: <026e01c20655$5365ea10$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281640390.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Nicolas,
> 
> Which method did you change? I'll have a look at.

I did not change the code nor a method, I changed the data.

I only reset the date fields at the bottom of the form to blank.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From gotcha@swing.be  Tue May 28 15:41:51 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:41:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281624370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020528164115.0231cd68@pop.swing.be>

At 16:26 28/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>On Tue, 28 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
> > I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
> > the export still fails with the following errors:
>
>I tried to change Tom's registration in order for our system not to offer
>to send an e-mail reminder and now it's broken and won't display the list
>of registrations any more...
>
>Error Type: TALESError
>              Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has
>no attribute 'greaterThanEqualTo' in ""
>
>Help ! Please.

Just made a small hack to correct...

Can you put Tom registration as it was before and tell me so that I can=20
revert ?

>--
>Nicolas Chauvat
>
>http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris=20
>(France)
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 15:46:50 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:46:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
References: <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020528164115.0231cd68@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <02b001c20656$82f084b0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

aha, that's why I didn't found the problem :-)

Tom.

Godefroid Chapelle wrote:
> At 16:26 28/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>
>>> I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
>>> the export still fails with the following errors:
>>
>> I tried to change Tom's registration in order for our system not to
>> offer to send an e-mail reminder and now it's broken and won't
>> display the list of registrations any more...
>>
>> Error Type: TALESError
>>              Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object
>> has no attribute 'greaterThanEqualTo' in ""
>>
>> Help ! Please.
>
> Just made a small hack to correct...
>
> Can you put Tom registration as it was before and tell me so that I
> can revert ?
>
>> --
>> Nicolas Chauvat
>>
>> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB,
>> Paris (France)
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> Godefroid Chapelle
>
> BubbleNet sprl
> rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202
> 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve
> Belgium
>
> Tel + 32 (10) 459901
> Mob + 32 (477) 363942
>
> TVA 467 093 008
> RC Niv 49849
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From gotcha@swing.be  Tue May 28 15:56:42 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:56:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020528164115.0231cd68@pop.swing.be>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281624370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020528165608.02472800@pop.swing.be>

>>
>>Help ! Please.
>
>Just made a small hack to correct...
>
>Can you put Tom registration as it was before and tell me so that I can=20
>revert ?

I did it myself ;-)

>>--
>>Nicolas Chauvat
>>
>>http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris=
=20
>>(France)
>
>--
>
>Godefroid Chapelle

--

Godefroid Chapelle

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From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 16:04:10 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:04:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281624370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281624370.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <158460000.1022598250@[10.2.1.1]>


--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 16:26:17 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20
<Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> wrote:

> On Tue, 28 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
>> I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
>> the export still fails with the following errors:
>
> I tried to change Tom's registration in order for our system not to offer
> to send an e-mail reminder and now it's broken and won't display the list
> of registrations any more...
>
> Error Type: TALESError
>              Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has
> no attribute 'greaterThanEqualTo' in ""
>
> Help ! Please.

Help granted, it works now, also the remindmail does not show up, if=20
paytype =3D=3D"free"



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From js@aixtraware.de  Tue May 28 16:20:34 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:20:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
In-Reply-To: <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <169000000.1022599234@[10.2.1.1]>

This is a bug in  xmlrpclib.py

change _decode around line 105 of xmlrpclib.py like so:

def _decode(data, encoding, is8bit=3Dre.compile("[\x80-\xff]").search):
    # decode non-ascii string (if possible)
    if unicode and is8bit(data):
        try:
            data =3D unicode(data, encoding)
        except:
            pass
            #data =3D "error decoding"
    return data





--On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 16:24:07 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"=20
<mal@lemburg.com> wrote:

> I've hacked up the script Joachim sent to generate CSV, but
> the export still fails with the following errors:
>
> *** failed to fetch item 021481207: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data
> *** failed to fetch item 02147102801: not well-formed (invalid token):
> line 583, column 16 *** failed to fetch item 021471034: not well-formed
> (invalid token): line 297, column 16 *** failed to fetch item 021381535:
> not well-formed (invalid token): line 297, column 16 *** failed to fetch
> item 021431710: UTF-8 decoding error: invalid data *** failed to fetch
> item 021371645: not well-formed (invalid token): line 506, column 32 ***
> failed to fetch item 021471421: not well-formed (invalid token): line
> 531, column 16 *** failed to fetch item 021441050: not well-formed
> (invalid token): line 297, column 16 *** failed to fetch item 021450024:
> not well-formed (invalid token): line 583, column 16
>
> This looks like a server side problem to me. Esp. the not
> well-formed errors are disturbing. The server side should use
> Latin-1 as default encoding rather than UTF-8.
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
> Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/
>



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From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 16:33:54 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 17:33:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com> <169000000.1022599234@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <3CF3A362.9070908@lemburg.com>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> This is a bug in  xmlrpclib.py
> 
> change _decode around line 105 of xmlrpclib.py like so:
> 
> def _decode(data, encoding, is8bit=re.compile("[\x80-\xff]").search):
>    # decode non-ascii string (if possible)
>    if unicode and is8bit(data):
>        try:
>            data = unicode(data, encoding)
>        except:
>            pass
>            #data = "error decoding"
>    return data
> 

This would just be a gross hack :-)

The bug is on the server side:
XML and xmlrpclib use UTF-8 as default encoding if no
other encoding is specified, so any latin-1 character
data (which is used in e.g. the name data) will trigger
this error on the client side, since it checks the XML
coming from the server for the XML encoding attribute.
If this is not available, it uses UTF-8.

Anyway, I can understand that you can't change the server
side code for this, so I'll just hack my way into xmlrpclib
from the script :-)

>> This looks like a server side problem to me. Esp. the not
>> well-formed errors are disturbing. The server side should use
>> Latin-1 as default encoding rather than UTF-8.

Thanks for all the work you put into this !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From mal@lemburg.com  Tue May 28 17:02:12 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 18:02:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exporting the registration data
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com> <169000000.1022599234@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF3A362.9070908@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <3CF3AA04.4080609@lemburg.com>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> 
>> This is a bug in  xmlrpclib.py
>>
>> change _decode around line 105 of xmlrpclib.py like so:
>>
>> def _decode(data, encoding, is8bit=re.compile("[\x80-\xff]").search):
>>    # decode non-ascii string (if possible)
>>    if unicode and is8bit(data):
>>        try:
>>            data = unicode(data, encoding)
>>        except:
>>            pass
>>            #data = "error decoding"
>>    return data
>>
> 
> This would just be a gross hack :-)

Here's a different way of solving the problem without having
to change xmlrpclib (the change would cause you harm with other
applications !).

Add the following lines to the Getxmldata.py:

class BasicAuthTransport(xmlrpclib.Transport): #{{{
     ...

     def getparser(self):
         # get parser and unmarshaller
         target = MyUnmarshaller()
         return xmlrpclib.SlowParser(target), target

class MyUnmarshaller(xmlrpclib.Unmarshaller):

     def xml(self, encoding, standalone):
         self._encoding = 'latin-1'

-- 
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CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 28 20:02:17 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:02:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] kicking the interview process into motion
Message-ID: <20020528190217.GB19463@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I currently have one interview done (Itamar about Twisted). We need
more interviews; this is in my opinion great publicity for the conference.
What we need to focus on heavily right now is publicity.

So who wants to help? I hope to put in enough time for another interview
this week.

Regards,

Martijn




From twisted@itamarst.org  Tue May 28 21:26:35 2002
From: twisted@itamarst.org (Itamar Shtull-Trauring)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:26:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] kicking the interview process into motion
References: <20020528190217.GB19463@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <3CF3E7FB.4090609@itamarst.org>

Martijn Faassen wrote:

> So who wants to help? I hope to put in enough time for another interview
> this week.

Me and Shae want to interview the person who came up with idea for 
EuropPython in the first place ;)




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Tue May 28 21:10:15 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:10:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] kicking the interview process into motion
In-Reply-To: <3CF3E7FB.4090609@itamarst.org>
References: <20020528190217.GB19463@vet.uu.nl> <3CF3E7FB.4090609@itamarst.org>
Message-ID: <20020528201015.GA19922@vet.uu.nl>

Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> >So who wants to help? I hope to put in enough time for another interview
> >this week.
> 
> Me and Shae want to interview the person who came up with idea for 
> EuropPython in the first place ;)

I'll check with him to see whether he's available. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Tue May 28 23:39:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 00:39:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Speakers - T-Shirts
Message-ID: <007f01c20698$97506820$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi speakers at EuroPython2002,

As you all know, you are entitled for a free entrace at the congress.
Your track champions will add you to the registration database.

What we -unfortunately- can't afford at the moment is to give you a free
T-Shirt.
We've a too tight budgt (read -still under zero) to give you a little
present extra.

So, if you want to have a nice EuroPython2002 T-Shirt, you've to buy it.
It's only 12,5 EUR and for this you've a nice remembering on the first
EuroPython congress.

If you want a T-Shirt, send a message to the track champion. He/she will
adjust your
registration form.

I think the easiest way to pay for this T-Shirt will be to pay in cash
at the conference itself.
The track champions could handle the T-Shirts for the speakers and the
handling of the cash.

Regards,
Tom.





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 13:53:45 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:53:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Exhibitors deadlines
Message-ID: <00d801c20710$15923610$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi,

It's time for announcing some deadlines for the possible exhibitors too.

* You can request for a booth until the 7th of June 2002

* You can request for an advertisement place in the brochures until the
7th of June 2002

* You can request for an
'in-the-visitors-bag-propaganda-material-service' until the 14th of June
2002

I urge you to still have a look at all the possible ways that your
company can support EuroPython2002.
There's something for every company:

http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring (deadline: 7th of June 2002)
http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors (deadline: 7th of June 2002)
http://europython.zope.nl/propaganda (deadline: 14th of June 2002)

You won't find cheaper prices at other conferences and who knows, next
year it could be already a little bit more expensive...

I hope some companies can make a decision soon enough.

Thanks!
Regards,
Tom.





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Wed May 29 18:27:24 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:27:24 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could publish
to get news site to link to us and become famous and get thousands of
attendees..."

Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open the
"Python in Science and Industry" Track:

	http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois

As you'll read, he is a nice guy.

Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we need to
add more of that kind :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 18:37:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 19:37:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <030001c20737$8e5b50a0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could
> publish
> to get news site to link to us and become famous and get thousands of
> attendees..."
>
> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open
> the
> "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>
> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
>
> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
>
> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we
> need to
> add more of that kind :-)

Ok, I'll add a news Item and see how we can integrate these interviews
in the Europython site.
(I'll announce the interview after I made the integration).
Shouldn't be that long.

Great job!

Tom.







From sdeibel@wingide.com  Wed May 29 17:37:42 2002
From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 12:37:42 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Followup re: CDs for europython registrants
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205291232540.860-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>

Hi,

I just wanted to see if we can make official the cost of having
Wing IDE CDs distributed in the bags for registrants?  Also,
how should I go about paying for this?

This would be a good opportunity for us and also a good way for
us to pitch in some money for your budget!

Please be sure to include me directly in replies... I've been
scanning the mail but may be missing things.

Sorry in advance if in fact this request is a result of having
missed something!

Thanks,

- Stephan

------------------------------------------------------------------------
Wing IDE for Python                          Archaeopteryx Software, Inc
www.wingide.com                              Take Flight!





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 19:01:55 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:01:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Followup re: CDs for europython registrants
References: <Pine.LNX.4.30.0205291232540.860-100000@pangolin.wingide.com>
Message-ID: <031a01c2073a$eddce6d0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi Stephan,

We've announced this on the official figures on the web, you can find
all information about it at:

http://europython.zope.nl/propaganda

For distributing the CD's, it will cost you 300 EUR. On the page you'll
also find how you could possibly pay.
If you have more questions, just ask.

Thanks!

Regards,
Tom.

Stephan R.A. Deibel wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I just wanted to see if we can make official the cost of having
> Wing IDE CDs distributed in the bags for registrants?  Also,
> how should I go about paying for this?
>
> This would be a good opportunity for us and also a good way for
> us to pitch in some money for your budget!
>
> Please be sure to include me directly in replies... I've been
> scanning the mail but may be missing things.
>
> Sorry in advance if in fact this request is a result of having
> missed something!
>
> Thanks,
>
> - Stephan
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> -- Wing IDE for Python                          Archaeopteryx
> Software, Inc www.wingide.com                              Take
> Flight!
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 19:28:46 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:28:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <033a01c2073e$ac6bade0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could
> publish 
> to get news site to link to us and become famous and get thousands of
> attendees..."
> 
> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open
> the 
> "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
> 
> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
> 
> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
> 
> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we
> need to 
> add more of that kind :-)

Done.

Regards,
Tom





From mal@lemburg.com  Wed May 29 19:25:29 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 20:25:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could publish
> to get news site to link to us and become famous and get thousands of
> attendees..."
> 
> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open the
> "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
> 
> 	http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
> 
> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
> 
> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we need to
> add more of that kind :-)

Very nice !

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 29 20:08:59 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:08:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
In-Reply-To: <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <235980000.1022699339@[10.2.1.1]>

I get a Site Error on this page ;-((

--On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 20:25:29 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"=20
<mal@lemburg.com> wrote:

> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could publish
>> to get news site to link to us and become famous and get thousands of
>> attendees..."
>>
>> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
>> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open the
>> "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>>
>> 	http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
>>
>> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
>>
>> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we need =
to
>> add more of that kind :-)
>
> Very nice !
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
> ______________________________________________________________________
> Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
> Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
> Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



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From burt@dfki.de  Wed May 29 20:14:54 2002
From: burt@dfki.de (Alastair Burt)
Date: 29 May 2002 21:14:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <vgwutmojf5.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>

Nicolas Chauvat <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> writes:

> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open the
> "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
> 
> 	http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
> 
> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.

Unfortunately, this link currently crashes for me. I get a NotFound Zope
traceback.

--- Alastair




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 20:18:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 21:18:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com> <235980000.1022699339@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <039401c20747$a00d16c0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

It's changed,

Have a look at :

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews

Regards,
Tom.

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> I get a Site Error on this page ;-((
>
> --On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 20:25:29 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"
> <mal@lemburg.com> wrote:
>
>> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could
>>> publish to get news site to link to us and become famous and get
>>> thousands of attendees..."
>>>
>>> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
>>> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will
>>> open the "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>>>
>>> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
>>>
>>> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
>>>
>>> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we
>>> need to add more of that kind :-)
>>
>> Very nice !
>>
>> --
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>>
______________________________________________________________________
>> Company & Consulting:
>> http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software:
>> http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002:
>> http://www.europython.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
> Mit freundlichen Grüßen                              Joachim Schmitz
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 21:04:07 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:04:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <vgwutmojf5.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
Message-ID: <03d201c2074c$1b0b9cd0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

In order to make it easier for the next interviews, I had to change it a
little bit, so I moved the interview to :

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews/entries/paul_dubois

All available interviews will be accessable at:

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews

I announced it at a newsitem. I'm sorry that I forgot to tell the
europython mailing list about this.

Regards,
Tom.

>> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
>> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will open
>> the "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>>
>> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois






From js@aixtraware.de  Wed May 29 21:16:34 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:16:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
In-Reply-To: <039401c20747$a00d16c0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com> <235980000.1022699339@[10.2.1.1]>
 <039401c20747$a00d16c0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <243560000.1022703394@[10.2.1.1]>

wouldn't it bee better to link directly to this page from the Interviews=20
box ?


--On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 21:18:47 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>=20
wrote:

> It's changed,
>
> Have a look at :
>
> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews
>
> Regards,
> Tom.
>
> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>> I get a Site Error on this page ;-((
>>
>> --On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 20:25:29 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"
>> <mal@lemburg.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>>> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could
>>>> publish to get news site to link to us and become famous and get
>>>> thousands of attendees..."
>>>>
>>>> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
>>>> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will
>>>> open the "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
>>>>
>>>> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
>>>>
>>>> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we
>>>> need to add more of that kind :-)
>>>
>>> Very nice !
>>>
>>> --
>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>>>
> ______________________________________________________________________
>>> Company & Consulting:
>>> http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software:
>>> http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002:
>>> http://www.europython.org/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>> EuroPython@python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>>
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen                              Joachim Schmitz
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 22:15:54 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:15:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com> <235980000.1022699339@[10.2.1.1]> <039401c20747$a00d16c0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <243560000.1022703394@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <03f001c20756$0ab6a8c0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

Sorry, don't follow. Interviews box?

Tom.

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> wouldn't it bee better to link directly to this page from the
> Interviews
> box ?
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 21:18:47 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's changed,
>>
>> Have a look at :
>>
>> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom.
>>
>> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>>> I get a Site Error on this page ;-((
>>>
>>> --On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 20:25:29 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"
>>> <mal@lemburg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>>>> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could
>>>>> publish to get news site to link to us and become famous and get
>>>>> thousands of attendees..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
>>>>> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will
>>>>> open the "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
>>>>>
>>>>> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we
>>>>> need to add more of that kind :-)
>>>>
>>>> Very nice !
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>>> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
>>>>
>>>>
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:
>>>> http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software:
>>>> http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002:
>>>> http://www.europython.org/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>>> EuroPython@python.org
>>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 22:22:18 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:22:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr> <3CF51D19.8030404@lemburg.com> <235980000.1022699339@[10.2.1.1]> <039401c20747$a00d16c0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <243560000.1022703394@[10.2.1.1]>
Message-ID: <041b01c20756$ea9217e0$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

No, more interviews will follow and then we've a list of interviews.

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> wouldn't it bee better to link directly to this page from the
> Interviews
> box ?
>
>
> --On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 21:18:47 +0200 Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's changed,
>>
>> Have a look at :
>>
>> http://europython.zope.nl/interviews
>>
>> Regards,
>> Tom.
>>
>> Joachim Schmitz wrote:
>>> I get a Site Error on this page ;-((
>>>
>>> --On Mittwoch, Mai 29, 2002 20:25:29 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"
>>> <mal@lemburg.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
>>>>> IIRC, I heard someone saying "if only we had interviews we could
>>>>> publish to get news site to link to us and become famous and get
>>>>> thousands of attendees..."
>>>>>
>>>>> Well, I do not know for the thousands of attendees yet, but re the
>>>>> interview, here is one of Paul Dubois, of NumPy fame, that will
>>>>> open the "Python in Science and Industry" Track:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.europython.org/interviews/paul_dubois
>>>>>
>>>>> As you'll read, he is a nice guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> Next: we need to announce it, we need to stick a news item and we
>>>>> need to add more of that kind :-)
>>>>
>>>> Very nice !
>>>>
>>>> --
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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Wed May 29 22:43:25 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 23:43:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] SUMMARY WEEK 21
Message-ID: <045e01c20759$dedacc00$8b8d84d5@skullsplitter>

So what happend last week ie WEEK 21

* Announced a new press release:
http://europython.zope.nl/press_releases

* Registration was open since WEEK 20. Although we received some
registrations, we'd expected more. We hope people start to decide soon
concerning having a visit at EuroPython 2002

* All track champions placed the talks of their tracks online. You can
watch them at http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks
   pdf created broshures by ReportLab aren't ready yet. But as they told
they will work on this these weeks.

* We've introduced a new way of propagandazing for your company:
http://europython.zope.nl/propaganda

* We've introduced a wiki for visitors of the congress. In there you can
discuss to share rooms etc: http://europython.zope.nl/wiki

* A FAQ was introduced for speakers:
http://europython.zope.nl/speakers/index_html

* We've updated the accommodation page:
http://europython.zope.nl/accommodation:
    * added cheap, but nice available accomodation
http://europython.p3b.org/adeps/index_html
    * added a map which shows the distance between conference and hotels

* Updated the Travel http://europython.zope.nl/travel page with a
timeschedule with information on taking the train from the national
airport (brussels) to Charleroi

* The localizing team is slowly localizing the whole site. We've now
also a german translator.

Regards,
Tom.





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Thu May 30 08:42:46 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 09:42:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
Message-ID: <1022744566.3cf5d7f6ade36@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Hi,

Would anybody mind if I created some more read-/print-/enjoyable PDF
version of Paul's interview (and possibly further ones)? Here's a
sample (not yet really pretty...):

  http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/iv-paul.pdf

I'd like to keep it simple, though, concerning the layout... So, is 
there some "canonical" way of getting at the data from outside (without 
all the Zope decor)?

This is ideal stuff, BTW, for a really nice pre/post-conf brochure,
which should be free of charge in IMHO as it also makes great promo
for the next event! Notice that I'm not sure how much Andy promised
to you! ;-)

Regards,

Dinu



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 30 09:32:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:32:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
References: <1022744566.3cf5d7f6ade36@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <01d301c207b4$957e3820$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would anybody mind if I created some more read-/print-/enjoyable PDF
> version of Paul's interview (and possibly further ones)?

Not at all, since you are the experts in pdf files, go ehead and create
nice PDF's from any page you want.
(Let us know so we can put them somewhere oneline too)

>Here's a sample (not yet really pretty...):

>   http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/iv-paul.pdf
>
> I'd like to keep it simple, though, concerning the layout... So, is
there some "canonical" way of getting at the data from outside
> (without all the Zope decor)?

Would it be possible to have a footer and header line? The header line
contains the date, place, etc of the conference and ends with a line.
The footer starts with a line and shows the page number
It it possible to make a linespace between answer of previous answer and
next question? (Perhaps a light gray background of the question)

> This is ideal stuff, BTW, for a really nice pre/post-conf brochure,
> which should be free of charge in IMHO as it also makes great promo
> for the next event! Notice that I'm not sure how much Andy promised
> to you! ;-)

I'm trying to contact Andy concerning the creation of the talks
broshures and timetable etc, unfortunately I haven't received a response
yet, so I don't know what ReportLab managed to do already. Are they too
busy right now? That's great for ReportLab, but we need the pdf creation
soon too. I would like to know if ReportLab is capable of handling it or
not. Do you've a direct line with Andy?

Regards,
Tom





From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 30 09:39:34 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:39:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
References: <1022744566.3cf5d7f6ade36@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <01e301c207b5$86bfffc0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

> I'd like to keep it simple, though, concerning the layout... So, is
> there some "canonical" way of getting at the data from outside
> (without all the Zope decor)?

I forgot to answer this one.  You can ftp into zope and I assume then
get the data from the localizer product. However, I'm not sure if the
localizer product manages ftp in the same way as eg dtml-documents, so I
guess Juan-David has to join this thread. Juan-David can you tell if it
is possible?

I believe that ReportLabs libraries can use html code. In case this is a
problems, then we can covert the text to structured text or xml.

Regards,
Tom.




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Thu May 30 09:52:22 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:52:22 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
In-Reply-To: <01d301c207b4$957e3820$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <1022744566.3cf5d7f6ade36@webmail.in-berlin.de> <01d301c207b4$957e3820$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <1022748742.3cf5e846d3a09@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> Would it be possible to have a footer and header line? The header line
> contains the date, place, etc of the conference and ends with a line.
> The footer starts with a line and shows the page number
> It it possible to make a linespace between answer of previous answer
> and next question? (Perhaps a light gray background of the question)

Sure, the first shot is always ugly! ;-)

> I'm trying to contact Andy concerning the creation of the talks
> broshures and timetable etc, unfortunately I haven't received a
> response yet, so I don't know what ReportLab managed to do already. 
> Are they too busy right now? That's great for ReportLab, but we 
> need the pdf creation soon too. I would like to know if ReportLab is 
> capable of handling it or not. Do you've a direct line with Andy?

Andy is on a (terribly needed) one week vacation, but he told me he
was about to do something thereafter using xmlrpc-stuff to fetch
data from the Zope thingy. In the meantime getting more interviews
would be just as important.

> I believe that ReportLabs libraries can use html code. In case this 
> is a  problems, then we can covert the text to structured text or xml.

Both is fine, but needs to be transformed slightly to match a specific
DTD (only stuff inside the <story> element would suffice):

  http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/rml_1_0.dtd

We could download these story snippets, process and upload the PDFs...

Regards,

Dinu



From js@aixtraware.de  Thu May 30 14:51:10 2002
From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:51:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] improved Exporting of the registration data
In-Reply-To: <3CF3AA04.4080609@lemburg.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205281412350.7672-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
 <153070000.1022594333@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF39307.1010106@lemburg.com>
 <169000000.1022599234@[10.2.1.1]> <3CF3A362.9070908@lemburg.com>
 <3CF3AA04.4080609@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <281920000.1022766669@[10.2.1.1]>

Hi,

I wrote a little pythonscript for more controled way. You access it with=20
the Getxmldata.py script by specifying as server:http://europython2.zope.nl

and with the command:

r =3D server.Registration.exportxmlrpc("since days","paytype")

for example

r =3D server.Registration.exportxmlrpc("0","EUROCARD/MasterCard")

gives you all todays Eurocard payments

hope it is usefull.



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From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 30 15:06:40 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:06:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
References: <1022744566.3cf5d7f6ade36@webmail.in-berlin.de> <01d301c207b4$957e3820$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022748742.3cf5e846d3a09@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <062801c207e3$386ddd50$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Hi all,

Or there dtd, zope gurus, who can help us with the following?
Or just give me a direction. I'm not an XML, not DTD expert...
Basicely we would like to put the interviews in this format. These
should then be shown on the web (like they are now), but also be used as
data for a ReportLab script.

Any help is welcome...

Martijn (since you give an XML talk, you must know a lot ;-) and
Joachim, you use XML-RPC, perhaps you can give some help too?
Let us make this as soon as possible.

Thanks,
Tom.

> Andy is on a (terribly needed) one week vacation, but he told me he
> was about to do something thereafter using xmlrpc-stuff to fetch
> data from the Zope thingy. In the meantime getting more interviews
> would be just as important.
>
>> I believe that ReportLabs libraries can use html code. In case this
>> is a  problems, then we can covert the text to structured text or
>> xml.
>
> Both is fine, but needs to be transformed slightly to match a specific
> DTD (only stuff inside the <story> element would suffice):
>
>   http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/rml_1_0.dtd
>
> We could download these story snippets, process and upload the PDFs...
>
> Regards,
>
> Dinu
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From gotcha@swing.be  Thu May 30 15:28:44 2002
From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:28:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview of Paul Dubois
In-Reply-To: <01cd01c207b3$737d7f20$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205291924400.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
 <vgwutmojf5.fsf@mastiff.dfki.uni-sb.de>
 <5.1.0.14.2.20020530084731.00ab4ea0@pop.swing.be>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020530162746.00a85750@pop.swing.be>

At 10:24 30/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote:
> >> I announced it at a newsitem. I'm sorry that I forgot to tell the
> >> europython mailing list about this.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Tom.
> >
> > Did anyone send an announce about interview to comp.lang.python  ?
> > Godefroid Chapelle
>Nope,
>
>I'm not subscribed to that list.
>Go ahead.
>
>Tom

Done

--

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From Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de  Thu May 30 16:14:10 2002
From: Juergen Hermann" <jh@web.de (Juergen Hermann)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 17:14:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
In-Reply-To: <062801c207e3$386ddd50$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <E17DRbY-0007nU-00@smtp.web.de>

On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:06:40 +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:

>Any help is welcome...

The fastest way is to put the html you have through tidy (giving you 
xhtml), then xslt to put it into the DTD's format, and again xslt to 
put it back to html (if needed).

Ciao, J=FCrgen





From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Thu May 30 17:34:07 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:34:07 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
In-Reply-To: <062801c207e3$386ddd50$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205301648420.12559-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

On Thu, 30 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Or there dtd, zope gurus, who can help us with the following?
> Or just give me a direction. I'm not an XML, not DTD expert...
> Basicely we would like to put the interviews in this format. These
> should then be shown on the web (like they are now), but also be used as
> data for a ReportLab script.
> 
> Any help is welcome...
> 
> Martijn (since you give an XML talk, you must know a lot ;-) and
> Joachim, you use XML-RPC, perhaps you can give some help too?
> Let us make this as soon as possible.

--- DTD ---

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>

<!ELEMENT interview (title,head,section*)>

<!ATTLIST date CDATA #REQUIRED>
<!ATTLIST by   CDATA #REQUIRED>
<!ATTLIST of   CDATA #REQUIRED>

<!ELEMENT title (#PCDATA)>
<!ELEMENT head (#PCDATA)>

<!ELEMENT section (title,(question, answer)*)>

<!ELEMENT question (#PCDATA)>
<!ELEMENT answer (#PCDATA)>

--- Sample XML ---

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1" ?>

<interview date="2002-05-29" by="N.C." of="P.F.D">

<title>Interview of P.F.D.</title>
<head>This is a nice interview, read it!</head>

<section>
  <title>Intro</title>

  <question>How are you doing ?</question>
  <answer>I'm doing good.</answer>

  <question>What is the wheather like ?</question>
  <answer>Wheather is windy.</answer>

</section>
</interview>

--- XSLT XML -> HTML ---

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="ISO-8859-1"?>

<xsl:transform xmlns:xsl="http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version="1.0">

<xsl:output method="html" encoding="ISO-8859-1"/>

<xsl:template match="interview">

<html>
<head>
<title><xsl:value-of select="title"/></title>
</head>
<body>
<h1><xsl:value-of select="title"/></h1>
<p><xsl:value-of select="head"/></p>

<xsl:apply-templates select="section"/>
</body>
</html>
</xsl:template>

<xsl:template match="section">
<h2><xsl:value-of select="title"/></h2>
<xsl:apply-templates select="question|answer"/>
</xsl:template>

<xsl:template match="question">
<p><b><xsl:value-of select="."/></b></p>
</xsl:template>

<xsl:template match="answer">
<p><xsl:value-of select="."/></p>
</xsl:template>

</xsl:transform>

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)





From mal@lemburg.com  Thu May 30 18:10:16 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:10:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
References: <E17DRbY-0007nU-00@smtp.web.de>
Message-ID: <3CF65CF8.9070302@lemburg.com>

Juergen Hermann wrote:
> On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:06:40 +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:
> 
> 
>>Any help is welcome...
> 
> 
> The fastest way is to put the html you have through tidy (giving you 
> xhtml), then xslt to put it into the DTD's format, and again xslt to 
> put it back to html (if needed).

... and since tidy is wrapped by mx.Tidy, all steps can be performed
in Python :-)

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 30 18:56:18 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:56:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
References: <E17DRbY-0007nU-00@smtp.web.de> <3CF65CF8.9070302@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <00ea01c20803$4e3d4ec0$238d84d5@skullsplitter>

Ok, which person would like to make this available?

Tom.

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Juergen Hermann wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 May 2002 16:06:40 +0200, Tom Deprez wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Any help is welcome...
>> 
>> 
>> The fastest way is to put the html you have through tidy (giving you
>> xhtml), then xslt to put it into the DTD's format, and again xslt to
>> put it back to html (if needed).
> 
> ... and since tidy is wrapped by mx.Tidy, all steps can be performed
> in Python :-)
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Thu May 30 19:35:15 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 20:35:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Interviews/Brochures
In-Reply-To: <00ea01c20803$4e3d4ec0$238d84d5@skullsplitter>
References: <E17DRbY-0007nU-00@smtp.web.de> <3CF65CF8.9070302@lemburg.com> <00ea01c20803$4e3d4ec0$238d84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <1022783715.3cf670e37ea1a@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> Ok, which person would like to make this available?

I'd be glad if someone could perform this transformation locally
so I could download stuff and make the PDFs on my site. Please
do a sample with Paul's interview and send me the data via email, 
so I see if that works ok. It's not enough time to add some more 
technologies to my local basket right now.

Regards,

Dinu



From lozinski@openstepnews.com  Thu May 30 19:55:13 2002
From: lozinski@openstepnews.com (lozinski@openstepnews.com)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 11:55:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] Booth Space sign ups.
Message-ID: <1020530115513.232AAC/P.lozinski@maya>

I really heard and noticed the call for vendors to sign up for booth space.

I am completely aware of your need to get that resolved early.

I apologize for my delays in not doing so yet.

I increasingly have my mind on exhibiting.  Right now I am working on finding
the money to pay for my expenses.   Sadly the US internet economy has been very
hard hit over the last year. I exhibited at the Python 10 Conference, and made
not a single sale, but I did learn a great deal, and expect to be quite
successful exhibiting my new products at Europython.

Thanks for your patience.  I will sign up as soon as I have my finances
resolved.

Regards
Chris

1-510-795-6086
lozinski@openstepnews.com
lozinski@jobmart.com



From paul@zope.com  Thu May 30 20:42:33 2002
From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:42:33 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <1022533630.3cf29ffe9643a@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <3CF680A9.3030208@zope.com>

First, I would like to thank the mailing list for generating 230 mail 
messages for me to read after being out for a week. :^)

Regarding the list of lessons to learn for the next time, I propose that 
we schedule a BoF on the subject of learning from this one and planning 
the next one.

--Paul

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:
> 
> 
>>Correct! Let's start working on this one. Where will it take place?
>>Perhaps it's good to have it once more in Charleroi? We've learned a
>>lot here and could optimize everything, so the general things will 
>>be easier for the other years.
> 
> 
> Maybe also very important is *when*? Josette from O'Reilly UK told 
> me she was unhappy with the date this year because it would collide 
> with some UK Linux event. Of course, you can't please all, but spen-
> ding some significant time researching calendars with possibly com-
> peting events seems like a good idea to me. 
> 
> This makes me wonder, how about compiling a list of 10 (or 100?)
> most important problems and solutions learned from this year's EPC
> in order to ease the work of next year's equippe?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Dinu
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython






From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Thu May 30 23:01:49 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 00:01:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <1022533630.3cf29ffe9643a@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3CF680A9.3030208@zope.com>
Message-ID: <007001c20826$756c0c70$418c84d5@skullsplitter>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> First, I would like to thank the mailing list for generating 230 mail
> messages for me to read after being out for a week. :^)
>
> Regarding the list of lessons to learn for the next time, I propose
> that we schedule a BoF on the subject of learning from this one and
> planning the next one.

+1

Tom
> --Paul
>
> Dinu Gherman wrote:
>> Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:
>>
>>
>>> Correct! Let's start working on this one. Where will it take place?
>>> Perhaps it's good to have it once more in Charleroi? We've learned a
>>> lot here and could optimize everything, so the general things will
>>> be easier for the other years.
>>
>>
>> Maybe also very important is *when*? Josette from O'Reilly UK told
>> me she was unhappy with the date this year because it would collide
>> with some UK Linux event. Of course, you can't please all, but spen-
>> ding some significant time researching calendars with possibly com-
>> peting events seems like a good idea to me.
>>
>> This makes me wonder, how about compiling a list of 10 (or 100?)
>> most important problems and solutions learned from this year's EPC
>> in order to ease the work of next year's equippe?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Dinu
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> EuroPython@python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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> Tom@aragne.com
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From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 31 04:37:53 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 05:37:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Last hours ...
Message-ID: <20020531053753.L308@carolo.net>

Last hours for early bird registration at EuroPython 2002 !

Perhaps we should have announced you sooner that we are now well 
over 100 attendees. That's already a good band to enjoy a great 
conference.

It started pretty quick with subcriptions during minutes after the
registration page was online, then we had a frightening slow down,
but these last days have seen a steadily growing rate.

Now, I'm really convinced you will miss a big event if you stay home
while we will be drinking belgian beer altogether. :-)

We will have an O'Reilly competition, with lot's of books to win.
We will have the best developpers and the best sandwiches of the world.
We will have nice weather and lots of discussions about Python future
 (EuroPython, EuroZope, PBF, ...)

What will be missing ?

You ? Oh no !  http://www.europython.org/Registration

See you soon.

Denis
-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com




From mal@lemburg.com  Fri May 31 08:40:08 2002
From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:40:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <1022533630.3cf29ffe9643a@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3CF680A9.3030208@zope.com> <007001c20826$756c0c70$418c84d5@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <3CF728D8.2050301@lemburg.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
>>First, I would like to thank the mailing list for generating 230 mail
>>messages for me to read after being out for a week. :^)
>>
>>Regarding the list of lessons to learn for the next time, I propose
>>that we schedule a BoF on the subject of learning from this one and
>>planning the next one.
> 
> 
> +1

Good idea, but I won't have time during the official schedule.
Perhaps we could do this on Friday afternoon in some local
caffee ?

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH
______________________________________________________________________
Company & Consulting:                           http://www.egenix.com/
Python Software:                   http://www.egenix.com/files/python/
Meet us at EuroPython 2002:                 http://www.europython.org/




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 31 10:09:58 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:09:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ...
References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> <1022533630.3cf29ffe9643a@webmail.in-berlin.de> <3CF680A9.3030208@zope.com> <007001c20826$756c0c70$418c84d5@skullsplitter> <3CF728D8.2050301@lemburg.com>
Message-ID: <019a01c20882$f02bfae0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

>>> Regarding the list of lessons to learn for the next time, I propose
>>> that we schedule a BoF on the subject of learning from this one and
>>> planning the next one.
>>
>>
>> +1
>
> Good idea, but I won't have time during the official schedule.
> Perhaps we could do this on Friday afternoon in some local
> caffee ?

Sorry, I won't be available in the afternoon. If I would, I would be
single again ;-)

Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 31 10:46:55 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 11:46:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
Message-ID: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Thanks for the interview Nicholas; great work! I have had an interview
with Itamar sitting on my machine for about a week now, and we really
should get that published as well. I'll create an HTML version of it
and post it online. Do I just add one to the entries folder?

We also need to think about ways to actually *publicize* that we have
this interview online. I'll mail various places hoping they'll pick
this up.

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 31 11:00:47 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:00:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Thanks for the interview Nicholas; great work! I have had an interview
> with Itamar sitting on my machine for about a week now, and we really
> should get that published as well. I'll create an HTML version of it
> and post it online. Do I just add one to the entries folder?

yup :-)
However, if you know how to make it directly in XML, DTD (see previous
postings) it would even be better, since then Dinu can create PDF's from
the entries as well.

> We also need to think about ways to actually *publicize* that we have
> this interview online. I'll mail various places hoping they'll pick
> this up.

Godefroid aanounced it on the python list, I believe.

> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 31 11:09:37 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:09:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <20020531100937.GA27574@vet.uu.nl>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> > We also need to think about ways to actually *publicize* that we have
> > this interview online. I'll mail various places hoping they'll pick
> > this up.
> 
> Godefroid aanounced it on the python list, I believe.

Then people will see two announcements, as I've posted there and mailed
various other places for the past half hour about it. :)

Regards,

Martijn




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 31 11:12:16 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:12:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020531100937.GA27574@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <040701c2088b$a427bfe0$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
>>> We also need to think about ways to actually *publicize* that we
>>> have this interview online. I'll mail various places hoping they'll
>>> pick this up.
>> 
>> Godefroid aanounced it on the python list, I believe.
> 
> Then people will see two announcements, as I've posted there and
> mailed various other places for the past half hour about it. :)
> 
Even better :-)

Tom.




From mwh@python.net  Fri May 31 11:15:26 2002
From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: 31 May 2002 11:15:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Last hours ...
In-Reply-To: Denis Frere's message of "Fri, 31 May 2002 05:37:53 +0200"
References: <20020531053753.L308@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <2m3cw839oh.fsf@starship.python.net>

Denis Frere <denis@aragne.com> writes:

> Perhaps we should have announced you sooner that we are now well 
> over 100 attendees. That's already a good band to enjoy a great 
> conference.

This is excellent news!  What was the upper bound again?

> It started pretty quick with subcriptions during minutes after the
> registration page was online, then we had a frightening slow down,
> but these last days have seen a steadily growing rate.

Glad to hear it :)

Cheers,
M.



From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri May 31 11:21:38 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:21:38 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <1022840498.3cf74eb2594f9@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> However, if you know how to make it directly in XML, DTD (see previous
> postings) it would even be better, since then Dinu can create PDF's
> from the entries as well.

The *most* important is really to get the interviews first on the website 
(but as one full page per interview, not just one narrow column, maybe) 
and promote them! Everything else is a secondary issue.

Dinu



From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 31 11:37:32 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:37:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Last hours ...
In-Reply-To: <2m3cw839oh.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20020531053753.L308@carolo.net> <2m3cw839oh.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20020531123732.J4846@carolo.net>

Le Fri, May 31, 2002 at 11:15:26AM +0100, Michael Hudson pianota:
> Denis Frere <denis@aragne.com> writes:
> 
> > Perhaps we should have announced you sooner that we are now well 
> > over 100 attendees. That's already a good band to enjoy a great 
> > conference.
> 
> This is excellent news!  What was the upper bound again?

350, i.e. there are still some available seats. :-)

> > It started pretty quick with subcriptions during minutes after the
> > registration page was online, then we had a frightening slow down,
> > but these last days have seen a steadily growing rate.
> 
> Glad to hear it :)

So am I, really.

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From denis@aragne.com  Fri May 31 11:39:35 2002
From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:39:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <20020531100937.GA27574@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020531100937.GA27574@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020531123935.K4846@carolo.net>

Le Fri, May 31, 2002 at 12:09:37PM +0200, Martijn Faassen pianota:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > > We also need to think about ways to actually *publicize* that we have
> > > this interview online. I'll mail various places hoping they'll pick
> > > this up.
> > 
> > Godefroid aanounced it on the python list, I believe.
> 
> Then people will see two announcements, as I've posted there and mailed
> various other places for the past half hour about it. :)

Bis repetita placent. (Latinists in the audience ?)

Denis

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 31 12:10:05 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:10:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022840498.3cf74eb2594f9@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <044201c20893$b7c06810$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:
>
>> However, if you know how to make it directly in XML, DTD (see
>> previous postings) it would even be better, since then Dinu can
>> create PDF's from the entries as well.
>
> The *most* important is really to get the interviews first on the
> website (but as one full page per interview, not just one narrow
> column, maybe) and promote them! Everything else is a secondary issue.

Euhm, that's no problem. All interviews just have to placed inside the
entries folder and they magically appear on the interviews webpage.
What do you mean with narrow column? Remove all the europython menus,
etc????

Tom.

> Dinu
> _______________________________________________
> Tom mailing list
> Tom@aragne.com
> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom




From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri May 31 12:51:12 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:51:12 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <044201c20893$b7c06810$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022840498.3cf74eb2594f9@webmail.in-berlin.de> <044201c20893$b7c06810$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <1022845872.3cf763b0c3305@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> Euhm, that's no problem. All interviews just have to placed inside the
> entries folder and they magically appear on the interviews webpage.
> What do you mean with narrow column? Remove all the europython menus,
> etc????

Yes, some page with the interview text wider than 5 cm or so 
on my screen or paper. 

Dinu



From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr  Fri May 31 12:57:26 2002
From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 13:57:26 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <20020531100937.GA27574@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205311357070.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>

> Then people will see two announcements, as I've posted there and mailed
> various other places for the past half hour about it. :)

Like newsforge, slashdot, linux weekly news etc ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France)




From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 31 13:13:48 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:13:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022840498.3cf74eb2594f9@webmail.in-berlin.de> <044201c20893$b7c06810$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022845872.3cf763b0c3305@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <05b201c2089c$9e95c110$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:
>
>> Euhm, that's no problem. All interviews just have to placed inside
>> the entries folder and they magically appear on the interviews
>> webpage. What do you mean with narrow column? Remove all the
>> europython menus, etc????
>
> Yes, some page with the interview text wider than 5 cm or so
> on my screen or paper.

Do you've only a widht of 5cm???? What screen do you have and which
resolution do you use?
Which browser do you use? I've about 15cm.

I'll remove the right part of the webpage, eg news box.

Tom.





From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de  Fri May 31 13:36:02 2002
From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:36:02 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <05b201c2089c$9e95c110$1e71a8c0@u10136>
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022840498.3cf74eb2594f9@webmail.in-berlin.de> <044201c20893$b7c06810$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022845872.3cf763b0c3305@webmail.in-berlin.de> <05b201c2089c$9e95c110$1e71a8c0@u10136>
Message-ID: <1022848562.3cf76e321dc12@webmail.in-berlin.de>

Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:

> Do you've only a widht of 5cm???? What screen do you have and which
> resolution do you use? Which browser do you use? I've about 15cm.
> I'll remove the right part of the webpage, eg news box.

Interesting. I just tested on IE 5.1, NS 6.2.2, OmniWeb 4.1b and 
iCab 2.7.1. The effect I described appears only in iCab, which 
is what I'm mostly using. So, it's my problem... In fact, the 
news box is also displayed there, which is not the case on the 
other browsers. Well, maybe don't worry!

Dinu

PS: All browsers running on OS X.



From Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com  Fri May 31 13:42:08 2002
From: Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 14:42:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
References: <20020531094654.GA27395@vet.uu.nl> <02cc01c2088a$0993deb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022840498.3cf74eb2594f9@webmail.in-berlin.de> <044201c20893$b7c06810$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022845872.3cf763b0c3305@webmail.in-berlin.de> <05b201c2089c$9e95c110$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1022848562.3cf76e321dc12@webmail.in-berlin.de>
Message-ID: <067501c208a0$93cc3b20$1e71a8c0@u10136>

Dinu Gherman wrote:
> Tom Deprez <tom@aragne.com>:
>
>> Do you've only a widht of 5cm???? What screen do you have and which
>> resolution do you use? Which browser do you use? I've about 15cm.
>> I'll remove the right part of the webpage, eg news box.
>
> Interesting. I just tested on IE 5.1, NS 6.2.2, OmniWeb 4.1b and
> iCab 2.7.1. The effect I described appears only in iCab, which
> is what I'm mostly using. So, it's my problem... In fact, the
> news box is also displayed there, which is not the case on the
> other browsers. Well, maybe don't worry!

I've changed the page so that the news box wasn't shown on that page. So
I think that you tested the new browsers after I changed the page and
iCab before I changed the page.

Tom.




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 31 17:16:45 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:16:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] interviews and publicity
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205311357070.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
References: <20020531100937.GA27574@vet.uu.nl> <Pine.LNX.4.21.0205311357070.602-100000@aries.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20020531161645.GA28239@vet.uu.nl>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> > Then people will see two announcements, as I've posted there and mailed
> > various other places for the past half hour about it. :)
> 
> Like newsforge, slashdot, linux weekly news etc ?

Not slashdot, but newsforge, lwn, linux today, vaults of parnassus, 
daily python url, python url, and the comp.lang.python.* newsgroups.

I've seen it show up on newsforge and the daily python url already (and
obviously on usenet).

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 31 17:44:00 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:44:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview with Itamar now online
Message-ID: <20020531164359.GA28543@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

The interview with Itamar is now online. Next I'll try creating a news
item. :)

http://europython.zope.nl/interviews

Regards,

Martijn




From faassen@vet.uu.nl  Fri May 31 17:52:49 2002
From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 18:52:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Interview with Itamar now online
In-Reply-To: <20020531164359.GA28543@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20020531164359.GA28543@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20020531165249.GA28577@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

Trying a news item, but the text in it (as shown on the main page)
seems to be fairly arbitrarily cut off. Is there some way to fix that?

Thanks,

Martijn