From Tom Deprez" Hi, I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed them in which rooms they would go. You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks (In more detail topic) Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-) Proposal ---------- Looking at it, I see that an evening track is not filled at Day2. I suggest to move the webservices track to here (which is planned on Day3 AM). I'm not sure how to put the BoF's and lightning talks. (together or like it is now). If we put them seperate, then the lighting talks can be given in the auditorium and the BoFs in the multipurpose room. Further: -------- Day 1 could if still needed have an extra AM and PM Day 3 could if still needed have an extra AM Questions: ---------- Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make auditoriums of it) Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account) Regards, tom. From Tom Deprez" <146780000.1019894630@[10.2.1.1]> <20020427204822.K27991@carolo.net> <00b301c1ef53$63a27600$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCD033B.6A2A6086@lemburg.com> <3CCE5962.C0DFA9B3@aixtraware.de> <011e01c1f073$788964e0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020430213413.GC12204@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <027901c1f09c$4b15d150$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > * Is the payment page SSL protected ? (with a browser preinstalled > > > > certificate) yes and no (own certificate), but if EuroPyhon can > > provide a secure > > > server, we can run this there. > > > > I forwarded this one to the maintainers of the EuroPython server. > > > > Further I've asked the contact information,etc of P3B to denis, so that we > > can make a Kagi account. > > If later on, we manage to have the payment through EuroZope, it's even > > better, but meanwhile we can accept payments through Kagi. > > I'm completely confused now. I thought we were going with ShareIt, and > now I see you talk about Kagi... Yes, yes, yes, sorry! I meant ShareIT.... not Kagi I'm little bit flipping and phasing out/in at the moment... sorry. So, to be sure.... I meant ShareIT, not Kagi!!!! From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 09:26:26 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:26:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ? Message-ID: <3CCFA6B2.A6027B5A@lemburg.com> Someone must have edited the business track wiki page and removed one of the talk entries. Is there any way to get older versions of that page so that we can reintegrate the proposal ? (The talk in question was the proposal by Andy Robinson) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <006c01c1f0ec$1fa2b6f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> I can bring up a backup, but then there is no turn back. I did a diff on the two versions and see that a lot more has changed.... I'll send you the diff, so that you can have a look at it and give me a go for going a version back. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 10:26 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ? > Someone must have edited the business track wiki page and > removed one of the talk entries. > > Is there any way to get older versions of that page so that > we can reintegrate the proposal ? > (The talk in question was the proposal by Andy Robinson) > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 10:12:54 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:12:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Backup versions of the wiki ? References: <3CCFA6B2.A6027B5A@lemburg.com> <006c01c1f0ec$1fa2b6f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCFB196.81BCC16F@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > I can bring up a backup, but then there is no turn back. > I did a diff on the two versions and see that a lot more has changed.... > I'll send you the diff, so that you can have a look at it and give me a go > for going a version back. Thanks. Note that I don't want you to roll back the changes, I just need the text of Andy's proposal to put it back into the wiki page. If you could send me the diff, that would be great. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From gotcha@swing.be Wed May 1 10:18:28 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:18:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> At 01:08 1/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Hi, > >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed >them in which rooms they would go. > >You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks >(In more detail topic) > >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-) This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time... When looking at the schedule, I think that the keynote at the end of the day is a really nice idea... but we'll have to be very strict about duration of talks if we want to be out in time. Paul, Tom do we need to be more specific about the Zope talks... I mean separating them in different Zope tracks as Zope infrastructure (Zope 3, i18n), Zope Content Management, etc... ? Is it gentle enough to say that the gradient does not really help to get the colors... ;-) >Proposal >---------- > >Looking at it, I see that an evening track is not filled at Day2. I suggest >to move the webservices track to here (which is planned on Day3 AM). I think this is a good idea... >I'm not sure how to put the BoF's and lightning talks. (together or like it >is now). If we put them seperate, then the lighting talks can be given in >the auditorium and the BoFs in the multipurpose room. What are BoF (Birds of Feathers) ? If it is free dicussion...(?) I would schedule it the other way : two parallel sessions of lightning talks and two parallel BoFs. >Further: >-------- > >Day 1 could if still needed have an extra AM and PM >Day 3 could if still needed have an extra AM > >Questions: >---------- > >Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make auditoriums >of it) >Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account) Important question indeed >Regards, tom. Thanks Tom -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From chrisw@nipltd.com Wed May 1 10:36:00 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:36:00 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Ping? Message-ID: <3CCFB700.360FE7D2@nipltd.com> Given there's a conference coming up next month, it seems very quiet on here... Is everything working okay? cheers, Chris From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > >Hi, > > > >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > >them in which rooms they would go. > > > >You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > >(In more detail topic) > > > >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-) > > This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time... > > When looking at the schedule, I think that the keynote at the end of the > day is a really nice idea... but we'll have to be very strict about > duration of talks if we want to be out in time. Yup, correct! > Paul, Tom do we need to be more specific about the Zope talks... I mean > separating them in different Zope tracks as Zope infrastructure (Zope 3, > i18n), Zope Content Management, etc... ? Yes, I was thinking on this as well, but for this we first need to decide which talks are going to be given. Further, there will not be that much talks all together (9 full talks: 25min to 35 min), so making a difference will be perhaps too much. But then again, we can try to place some with more or less the same subject in the same session. The Lightning talks can be put together in groups as well. > Is it gentle enough to say that the gradient does not really help to get the colors... ;-) Are you attacking my graphical skills :-))) Do you like it more as plain colors? > >Proposal > >---------- > > > >Looking at it, I see that an evening track is not filled at Day2. I suggest > >to move the webservices track to here (which is planned on Day3 AM). > > I think this is a good idea... > > >I'm not sure how to put the BoF's and lightning talks. (together or like it > >is now). If we put them seperate, then the lighting talks can be given in > >the auditorium and the BoFs in the multipurpose room. > > What are BoF (Birds of Feathers) ? If it is free dicussion...(?) I would > schedule it the other way : two parallel sessions of lightning talks and > two parallel BoFs. yes, but lightning talks could be interesting for everybody, so perhaps people want to hear all lightning talks. Other people are perhaps more for BoF (yes, Birds...) and would like to be in all BoF's... > >Further: > >-------- > > > >Day 1 could if still needed have an extra AM and PM > >Day 3 could if still needed have an extra AM > > > >Questions: > >---------- > > > >Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make auditoriums > >of it) > >Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account) > > Important question indeed > > >Regards, tom. > Thanks Tom > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00a201c1f0f4$d980fc00$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> We're doing are best.... With the time we've.... People who want to give a Zope talk, can still send in an abstract (something along the 10 lines). Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Withers" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:36 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Ping? > Given there's a conference coming up next month, it seems very quiet on here... > > Is everything working okay? > > cheers, > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From gotcha@swing.be Wed May 1 10:51:40 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:51:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501115125.00a7eb68@pop.swing.be> At 11:42 1/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Are you attacking my graphical skills :-))) >Do you like it more as plain colors? That's what I meant... -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From chrisw@nipltd.com Wed May 1 10:55:34 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 10:55:34 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] ignore me... Message-ID: <3CCFBB96.214CA9BE@nipltd.com> ...eveyone else does ;-) Chris From chrisw@nipltd.com Wed May 1 11:02:29 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:02:29 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-( Message-ID: <3CCFBD35.3E8B49AC@nipltd.com> Well, I know I'm subscribed to this list, 'cos python.org sent me a monthly reminder this morning, but it doesn't appear that I'm getting any mail from it, even when I send it... *sigh* Can anyone help? cheers, Chris From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020501115214.0228e078@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <00d101c1f0f8$e5ca4a80$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Godefroid, You could perhaps write an html page which for buying EuroPython tickets. Joachim can then use this page with the EuroZope payment system. This would certainly speed up the alternative payment system (the one with EuroZope) Denis, Can you post me the O3B information I ask you, as soon as possible, so we can get on with the registration on ShareIT? Thanks! Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Godefroid Chapelle" To: "Tom Deprez" Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 11:52 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks > Did you get the help proposed for the web site ? > > Do you need some, if I am able... > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00d701c1f0f9$0db170a0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> have you disabled you delivery? Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Withers" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 12:02 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-( > Well, I know I'm subscribed to this list, 'cos python.org sent me a monthly reminder this > morning, but it doesn't appear that I'm getting any mail from it, even when I send it... > > *sigh* > > Can anyone help? > > cheers, > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From chrisw@nipltd.com Wed May 1 11:15:58 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 11:15:58 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Hmmm :-( References: <3CCFBD35.3E8B49AC@nipltd.com> <00d701c1f0f9$0db170a0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCFC05E.87EC3910@nipltd.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > have you disabled you delivery? Dunnoo... but for some weird reason I'm now getting mail... I give up, sorry for the spam... cheers, Chris PS: Does anyoen know what's up with the EuroZope list? I got broken-ness report'ed by comlounge's postfix whenever I try and mail anything@comlounge.net... From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 11:49:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 12:49:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges Message-ID: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things to consider: * Which Belgium VAT taxes do apply to conference fees and how does the P3B corporate status have an effect on this ? The standard VAT rate is 21%, but there are also reduced ones, e.g. 12% which might apply. P3B should ask their accountant for this one. * Should the conference fees we've discussed be inclusive VAT or exclusive (inclusive probably makes handling a lot easier) ? We might have to raise the fees a bit to accomodate for the ShareIT fees and the VAT (together they add up to about 26% if the standard VAT rate applies). This is serious money, so very important to keep in mind. * You can setup ShareIT accounts to EUR and USD fixed amounts (the others are then calculated using the day's exchange rate). I'd suggest to do everything in EUR. * You can also setup ShareIT to get email notifications of every sale and to have it automatically send out an registration ID. The IDs can be given to ShareIT upfront so we are in control here and could use them as proof of payment (e.g. attendees could print out the email they receive as proof -- makes conference checkin easier). The emails have a standard format which makes them parseable, but the same data is also available via the ShareIT control panel in form of a CSV file which is easy to download and store into a database. Again, this might help the registration desk at the conference. * P3B should check which information they need from the registrants for proper accounting, e.g. EU companies can use their VAT ID in payment and then don't have to pay VAT. For that to work, P3B must have it's own VAT ID which it can easily get from the local revenue service. * We need to print badges for the conference attendees. Can someone take care of this ? (Should be easy using the ShareIT account data + the data from the speakers) We need to assign someone to each of these bullets. Unfortunately, P3B will have most of the work load here. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 12:01:19 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:01:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> > > >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > > >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > > >them in which rooms they would go. > > > > > >You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > >(In more detail topic) > > > > > >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-) > > > > This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time... Very nice indeed. Could you post them to the europython.org web-site as well ? Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > > > >I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > > > >I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > > > >them in which rooms they would go. > > > > > > > >You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > > >(In more detail topic) > > > > > > > >Urgh, this took some time, so be gentle with negative input :-) > > > > > > This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time... > > Very nice indeed. Could you post them to the europython.org > web-site as well ? Thanks, Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to know if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2 Regards, Tom > Thanks, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 12:57:20 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 13:57:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to know > if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2 I'd rather not: it would then be in parallel to the business and applications tracks. We also plan to use one of the web services sessions for a business BoF or panel discussion. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi! The people from Amazon (the provider of the EuroPython space) has setup a secure website for EuroPython. There are some problems viewing the whole site right now trough SSL, but it shouldn't be that difficult to fix: I've also setup secure webspace for europython on: https://secure.zope.nl/europython This maps to the root of your zopesite. Usually it should be possible to view the entire website through ssl, but it seems you're doing an absolute redirect, which breaks with the relative position of your secure space. Regatds; Tom. From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Wed May 1 14:04:51 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:04:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to know > > if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2 > > I'd rather not: it would then be in parallel to the business > and applications tracks. We also plan to use one of the > web services sessions for a business BoF or panel discussion. Ok, I just thought that it would be a nice follow up of the Zope Track, since I think they are both more or less on the same subject. Perhaps we can move Lightning talks to this free track then? Tom. From denis@aragne.com Wed May 1 14:13:16 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:13:16 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] [French] Re: EuroPython =?iso-8859-1?Q?200?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?2_=3A_proposiion_de_pr=E9sentation?= In-Reply-To: <9310801AA6D6BD4CABF9AF8D3565D520029F2F@mail-hlt.hlt.spacebel.be> References: <9310801AA6D6BD4CABF9AF8D3565D520029F2F@mail-hlt.hlt.spacebel.be> Message-ID: <20020501151316.L27991@carolo.net> Le Tue, Apr 30, 2002 at 09:40:53AM +0200, Pierre Denis pianota: > Bonjour, >=20 > Je suis ing=E9nieur logiciel chez Spacebel (soci=E9t=E9 belge sp=E9cial= is=E9 dans le > logiciel spatial). Ayant d=E9couvert Python dans le cadre de mon travai= l il y > a 3 ans, j'ai eu l'id=E9e de l'utiliser pour pouvoir manipuler de 'vrai= es' > quantit=E9s avec leurs unit=E9s de mesure (m=E8tre, Volt, km/h, euro, e= tc), le but > =E9tant de v=E9rifer la coh=E9rence des calculs, d'automatiser les conv= ersions et > de d=E9river l'unit=E9 du r=E9sultat. Ceci est un vieux probl=E8me, qui= a d'ailleurs > co=FBt=E9 =E0 la NASA la perte d'une sonde vers Mars de 125 millions $. >=20 > Ce d=E9veloppement, appel=E9 Unum, est =E0 pr=E9sent op=E9rationnel; il= a d=E9j=E0 =E9t=E9 > pr=E9sent=E9 sous la forme d'un poster =E0 la 9=E8me conf=E9rence Pytho= n (mars 2001). > J'ai fait aussi une pr=E9sentation orale =E0 la conf=E9rence DASIA 2001= (DAta > Systems In Aerospace ); vous trouverez attach=E9 l'article qui a =E9t=E9= publi=E9 =E0 > cette occasion. Vous pouvez trouver plus d'information sur le module Un= um > sur le site http://gallery.uunet.be/pierre-et-liliane.denis/Unum.html. >=20 > Tout ceci n'a aucun lien avec Zope mais si vous jugez que ce d=E9velopp= ement > peut trouver sa place =E0 EuroPython 2002, je suis tout dispos=E9 =E0 f= aire une > pr=E9sentation. Bonjour, Que voil=E0 une belle (et prestigieuse) utilisation de Python. Pas de probl=E8me s'il n'y a pas de rapport avec Zope : la conf=E9rence, tout en ayant une session sp=E9ciale Zope, traite avant tout de Python. Je ne m'occupe pas vraiment de la composition du programme. Je crois que le meilleur conseil que je puisse donner est d'envoyer le m=EAme message (mais en Anglais) sur la mailing-list europython@python.org ; pour s'y inscrire, voir http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Il y a encore un peu de flou quant au programme, mais ne tra=EEne plus pour faire ta proposition car les choses sont en train d'=EAtre fix=E9es. Merci pour ton message. A bient=F4t. Denis --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed May 1 14:37:57 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 15:37:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things > to consider: > > [... things about VAT] Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ? The bank account number and most information on P3B is there : http://www.p3b.org/about I've to leave now, but I'll be there on this evening. See you later Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things > > to consider: > > > > [... things about VAT] > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ? Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT. > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there : > http://www.p3b.org/about Thanks Denis, But we also need the address information of P3B and the address/contact information of the responsible P3B member. Can we put you as contact person? Which telephone number may we use and which email address? Regards, Tom From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 16:25:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:25:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace... References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi! > > The people from Amazon (the provider of the EuroPython space) has setup a > secure website for EuroPython. There are some problems viewing the whole > site right now trough SSL, but it shouldn't be that difficult to fix: > > I've also setup secure webspace for europython on: > > https://secure.zope.nl/europython Nice ! (Note that the secure.zope.nl certificate expires on June 5th.) > This maps to the root of your zopesite. > > Usually it should be possible to view the entire website through ssl, but > it seems you're doing an absolute redirect, which breaks with the > relative position of your secure space. That's probably because relative URL redirect don't work with all browsers out there (at least I had problems with this last time I tried this). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > > Usually it should be possible to view the entire website through ssl, but > > it seems you're doing an absolute redirect, which breaks with the > > relative position of your secure space. > > That's probably because relative URL redirect don't work > with all browsers out there (at least I had problems with this > last time I tried this). Fixed this a few hours ago! Now it should be possible to access https://secure.zope.nl/europython without a prob Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 1 17:08:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 18:08:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things > > > to consider: > > > > > > [... things about VAT] > > > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but > > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ? > > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT. Indeed. You should be very careful about VAT -- if we mess up here, we'll end up having to pay the 21% ! > > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there : > > http://www.p3b.org/about > > Thanks Denis, > > But we also need the address information of P3B and the address/contact > information of the responsible P3B member. Can we put you as contact person? > Which telephone number may we use and which email address? I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. There are too many details to know about which only P3B can provide (please also see my other mail on setting up the account). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <021601c1f12c$0b814200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > Before we setup the payment devices, there are some things > > > > to consider: > > > > > > > > [... things about VAT] > > > > > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but > > > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ? > > > > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT. > > Indeed. You should be very careful about VAT -- if we mess up > here, we'll end up having to pay the 21% ! > > > > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there : > > > http://www.p3b.org/about > > > > Thanks Denis, > > > > But we also need the address information of P3B and the address/contact > > information of the responsible P3B member. Can we put you as contact person? > > Which telephone number may we use and which email address? > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. > There are too many details to know about which only P3B can > provide (please also see my other mail on setting up the > account). Yes, correct. Please, Denis are you able to set up the ShareIT account. Let us know when finished and if we need to help on the creation of the entry tickets. Tom. > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From lac@strakt.com Wed May 1 20:08:17 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 21:08:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" of "Wed, 01 May 2002 15:04:51 +0200." <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > > Yes, I'm willing to put them online as well, but first I would like to > know > > > if it is ok to move the webservices sessions to day2 > > > > I'd rather not: it would then be in parallel to the business > > and applications tracks. We also plan to use one of the > > web services sessions for a business BoF or panel discussion. > > Ok, I just thought that it would be a nice follow up of the Zope Track, > since I think they are both more or less on the same subject. > > Perhaps we can move Lightning talks to this free track then? > > Tom. All the people that I spoke with who went to IPC 10, including 2 from my own company said that the Lightning talks were by far the most important thing at IPC 10. Thus they should not be scheduled to overlap with any talks or tutorials because they are the one thing that everybody will want to attend, reguardless of their other interests. Laura Creighton From Tom Deprez" Hi, I'm working on a new home page. I've totally no design skills and I miss some serious information. So I hope people want to have a look at it and give me advice on how to improve it and how to fill it with the correct information. Thanks! http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress Thanks in advance, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <035801c1f148$03268540$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > All the people that I spoke with who went to IPC 10, including 2 from > my own company said that the Lightning talks were by far the most > important thing at IPC 10. Thus they should not be scheduled to > overlap with any talks or tutorials because they are the one thing > that everybody will want to attend, reguardless of their other interests. > Ok, I think that this is a good reason to leave them the way they are now. Thanks for your input Laura. Regards, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Wed May 1 21:18:53 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 22:18:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Chairs and Table [Was: Time Schedules and Tracks] In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020501221853.O27991@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:18:28AM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > At 01:08 1/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > > > >Questions: > >---------- > > > >Denis, do we have chairs for the multipurpose room? (ie to make > >auditoriums of it) > >Or do we've to hire them? (=cost which we've to take into account) > > Important question indeed Indeed ? Yes, there will be chairs. :-) Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed May 1 22:18:40 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:18:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020501231839.P27991@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:16:59PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but > > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ? > > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT. I know that P3B don't *need* one, but *may* have one. Do visitors would be interrested in P3B having a VAT number ? - Yes if we consider 200 EUR is a VAT included price - No if the conference price is 200 EUR + VAT In the first case, they will just have a 200 EUR expense. In the last case, they would have a 165 EUR expense + 35 EUR VAT but then EuroPython would have 165 EUR (gross) benefit and Belgium VAT administration a 35 EUR benefit for each visitor. If EuroPython wants to earn 200 EUR/vistor, then the entrance fee must be 242 EUR. Tell me if I'm wrong. > > The bank account number and most information on P3B is there : > > http://www.p3b.org/about > > Thanks Denis, > > But we also need the address information of P3B > and the address/contact information of the responsible P3B member. As I told you, it's all online : http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part02#article 2 and http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part01#section01 respectively. (Did you look at the nice tree-formated bylaws ?) Now to help you, I will summarize these data here : ______________________________________________ P3B official address | Responsible address | ---------------------------------------------- Rue de Colnet 9 | idem (I 'host' P3B: | B-6040 Charleroi | it's a nice VA-Linux | | bi-PIII in my cellar)| ---------------------------------------------- > Can we put you as contact person? Of course, who else ? > Which telephone number may we use and which email address? Both are on the website homepage http://www.europython.org/ Moreover you do know my email address since you're using it and tell them I don't want phone calls ! ;-) Do you need something else ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020501231839.P27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <03fc01c1f16b$de462c20$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT. >I know that P3B don't *need* one, but *may* have one. >Do visitors would be interrested in P3B having a VAT number ? >- Yes if we consider 200 EUR is a VAT included price >- No if the conference price is 200 EUR + VAT >In the first case, they will just have a 200 EUR expense. >In the last case, they would have a 165 EUR expense + 35 EUR VAT >but then EuroPython would have 165 EUR (gross) benefit and Belgium VAT >administration a 35 EUR benefit for each visitor. >If EuroPython wants to earn 200 EUR/vistor, then the entrance fee must >be 242 EUR. >Tell me if I'm wrong. Sorry, I don't have that much experience in these kind of things and I don't know if you need a VAT in these cases (as the congress). If you know for sure that P3B doesn't need a VAT number for selling entry tickets, then you don't need to take a VAT account. But in case you're not sure yourself... that's why I proposed to contact your accountant. > As I told you, it's all online : > http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part02#article 2 and > http://www.p3b.org/about/statuts/part01#section01 respectively. > (Did you look at the nice tree-formated bylaws ?) yup, I did, but have overlooked it.... these laws are not my cup of tee and certainly not when they are in french. > Now to help you, I will summarize these data here : > ______________________________________________ > P3B official address | Responsible address | > ---------------------------------------------- > Rue de Colnet 9 | idem (I 'host' P3B: | > B-6040 Charleroi | it's a nice VA-Linux | > | bi-PIII in my cellar)| > ---------------------------------------------- Thanks. It would have been easier if you gave this all along. > > Can we put you as contact person? > > Of course, who else ? > > > Which telephone number may we use and which email address? > > Both are on the website homepage http://www.europython.org/ > Moreover you do know my email address since you're using it > and tell them I don't want phone calls ! ;-) Euhm, just wanted to be sure not to put information on it that you didn't liked.... therefor all these questions... nothing else behind these endless to and from mailings... > Do you need something else ? No, but like Marc-Andre told, it is perhaps better that you set up the account at ShareIT yourself. This will avoid these kind of stupid mailings and perhaps future mailings (because of something I don't know of when filling in the ShareIT account) , since you have all the information at hand. Besides, perhaps you would like to know what information is on the ShareIT account... Tom From Tom Deprez" Hi, I need questions on these really soon: 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the conference concerning their open source titles. Are people against this? Is it now official that a book company has a stand at EuroPython. And if so, can we still allow these kinds of leaflets to be spread out at the conference. I've nothing against it, but wan't to know other peoples opinions before I write them back. 2) Press People: I already asked this before. Are there special rules for Press People? I guess they get free entrance. Are there other things we take into account? I've no problems replying to these people, but what I do like is that we all answer these people the same way. Therefor these questions to start a discussion on this subject. Regards, Tom. From guido@python.org Thu May 2 01:17:48 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 20:17:48 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ... In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 May 2002 02:10:05 +0200." <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the > conference concerning their open source titles. Clearly they should pay for this service. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From Tom Deprez" Ok, it looks that for some reason (perhaps because of the subject 'help'), my previous mails on this are waiting for approval by the list administrator. So it is quiet possible that this email will show up more than once (sorry for that). But here is the mail, I hope to get some response: ------------ Hi, It would really be nice if some designers could help me on the following pages: http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress http://europython.zope.nl/news/newsEntries/20020429 http://europython.zope.nl/news/index_html (must display old news) The pages look like **** at the moment and I hope somebody can send me a nice mockup. ------------ Regards, tom. From Tom Deprez" <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> > > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they > > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the > > conference concerning their open source titles. > > Clearly they should pay for this service. Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on the amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things? Another point, companies can hire a booth on the EuroPython congress, do we already have decided the fee per square meter for these companies? Do we already know how much m2 we have. How much is already hired, etc? Can somebody place this on the wiki? Thanks in advance, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Thu May 2 02:39:40 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:39:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a VAT. > > Indeed. You should be very careful about VAT -- if we mess up > here, we'll end up having to pay the 21% ! If we have no VAT account, it's just a in/out accounting, that's allowed for ASBL, non-profit associations don't need to have a VAT number. Now, if it eases your mind, ok, I will ask my accountant. > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. Not quite sure about it. But, ok, I'm doing it. By the way, what's exactly 'on purchase order' ? > There are too many details to know about which only P3B can > provide (please also see my other mail on setting up the > account). No, Tom can do anything when he wants to. :-) But again, I started to set up the account already, Tom has work enough with the website. I'd even say he isn't helped that much by all those wonderful web specialists in the neighborhood... :-( Where are the famous Zopistas ? I'm not speaking to you, Marc-Andre, who help a lot in organising things. :-) I would like to insist on the fact that it was meant to be a collective effort. P3B is a non-profit organisation and it will let all bonus money (if any) to EuroPython. That means we're not earning a cent with it. Ok, perhaps that 'enlight' us to some extent, but we're also investing much time in it, even if we don't look like because we're not very present on the list. Most of P3B members are working for Aragne. Aragne is the only one who has ever printed something for EuroPython, without even having his own logo on the paper. We're not taking any new client to have some time to spend for the conference. Thanks to Tom and Vincent for the website. Thanks to Oli who is silently doing lots of things you don't even think to. I don't want to complain when saying so. We're not alone, thanks *a lot* to other organisers and future speakers. I just would like to ask for more help. We have, all of us, something to win in the EuroPython conference. We are 136 programmers subscribed to this mailing-list, 136 experts that could do something incredible in a very short laps of time. Let's just do it now. Help to find sponsors or act as sponsors, add a localizer product on the website and start some translations as we did for the press-release, write a small product for exhibitors registration, print some nice PDF flyers with Andy's library and put them on the website so that anyone could print them and distribute around him, find some nice guys to put our banner on their website as this small example : http://www.codeur.org/actualite/actualite.php?lang=en Go there and write a comment saying that this conference is a great event because we all want it to happen and Python is so nice. That will cost you nothing but one minute, and a few or lots of people will be favorably impressed. That guy told us he could make a 'special Python and Zope' page if he sees there is some interest and if we help him to provide some good information. That would be a small or a big advertisement (I don't know nor care about the quantity of readers this website is having), but free advertisement for Python and hence, for yourself. If you are here, it's because Python is your favorite language, because beautiful is better than ugly, implicit is better than implicit, ... Tell the world _loud enough_ how great is your favorite language and you won't have any problem to sell your stuff. There are so many bad things Python could improve ; there is a huge amount of work for all Python developers. We just have to show to the world that what we say is true : 136 Python developers together can make a wonder within a very short laps of time. Go on, times have come. Ask yourself what you could do and do it. In advance, thank you. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Thu May 2 04:22:02 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:22:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news from ShareIT. Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to 'inherit' from the first one ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Thu May 2 04:29:37 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 05:29:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] website people In-Reply-To: References: <01a101c1ef89$f7fcc360$b48d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020502052937.V27991@carolo.net> Le Mon, Apr 29, 2002 at 10:56:35PM +0200, Andrew Smart pianota: > > I cannot help myself, but I have 25% percent free web design resource > (Dreamweaver, a bit experience with ZOPE). > > Is there a job list? Tom is working on the payment system. If he can't tell you exactly now, ask your kind 'resource' to do something *you* would like to see on the website. Just keep the current style. Thank you for your help. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Thu May 2 05:09:19 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 06:09:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ... In-Reply-To: <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020502060919.A27991@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 02, 2002 at 02:56:53AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on > the amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things? No, I've no experience in it. > Another point, companies can hire a booth on the EuroPython congress, > do we already have decided the fee per square meter for these > companies? In Berlin, we estimated 700 EUR would be a reasonnable price, not in square meters, but for a table and a few chairs. > Do we already know how much m2 we have. How much is already hired, etc? We're not really limited if we stay under 10 exhibitors and we can go up to 20 if we organize it well. Up to now, 5 have clearly declared being interrested (or did I forget some ?) > Can somebody place this on the wiki? There's things in the wiki : http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors G'night. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Thu May 2 05:32:40 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 06:32:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace... In-Reply-To: <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com> <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020502063240.C27991@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:42:23PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > Fixed this a few hours ago! Now it should be possible to access > https://secure.zope.nl/europython without a prob (Not really questions for Tom, though I profit of his mail to ask.) Wouldn't it be possible to have www.europython.org set to point to the Amaze machine (DNS) ? What next with that name ? Is the present owner ready to let it to the EuroPython organisation ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <027601c1f1b6$43d79bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. > > OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news from ShareIT. Thanks a lot Denis! > Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate > entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to > 'inherit' from the first one ? I'll leave this question to Marc-Andre, since he's experienced in it. If you don't know Marc-Andre, then I'll put some time to figure it out. Now that the account is set Denis, we can also take over from here. (if you don't have the time) Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <027c01c1f1b7$278fa8c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > No, Tom can do anything when he wants to. :-) That's great to hear :-) > But again, I started to set up the account already, Tom has work enough > with the website. I'd even say he isn't helped that much by all those > wonderful web specialists in the neighborhood... :-( > Where are the famous Zopistas ? > > I'm not speaking to you, Marc-Andre, who help a lot in organising > things. :-) > > I would like to insist on the fact that it was meant to be a collective > effort. P3B is a non-profit organisation and it will let all bonus money > (if any) to EuroPython. That means we're not earning a cent with it. Ok, > perhaps that 'enlight' us to some extent, but we're also investing much > time in it, even if we don't look like because we're not very present on > the list. > > Most of P3B members are working for Aragne. Aragne is the only one who > has ever printed something for EuroPython, without even having his own > logo on the paper. We're not taking any new client to have some time to > spend for the conference. Thanks to Tom and Vincent for the website. > Thanks to Oli who is silently doing lots of things you don't even think > to. > > I don't want to complain when saying so. > > We're not alone, thanks *a lot* to other organisers and future speakers. > I just would like to ask for more help. We have, all of us, something to > win in the EuroPython conference. We are 136 programmers subscribed to > this mailing-list, 136 experts that could do something incredible in a > very short laps of time. Let's just do it now. > > Help to find sponsors or act as sponsors, add a localizer product on the > website and start some translations as we did for the press-release, > write a small product for exhibitors registration, print some nice PDF > flyers with Andy's library and put them on the website so that anyone > could print them and distribute around him, find some nice guys to put > our banner on their website as this small example : > http://www.codeur.org/actualite/actualite.php?lang=en > > Go there and write a comment saying that this conference is a great > event because we all want it to happen and Python is so nice. > That will cost you nothing but one minute, and a few or lots of people > will be favorably impressed. That guy told us he could make a 'special > Python and Zope' page if he sees there is some interest and if we help > him to provide some good information. That would be a small or a big > advertisement (I don't know nor care about the quantity of readers this > website is having), but free advertisement for Python and hence, for > yourself. > > If you are here, it's because Python is your favorite language, because > beautiful is better than ugly, implicit is better than implicit, ... > Tell the world _loud enough_ how great is your favorite language and you > won't have any problem to sell your stuff. There are so many bad things > Python could improve ; there is a huge amount of work for all Python > developers. We just have to show to the world that what we say is true : > 136 Python developers together can make a wonder within a very short > laps of time. > > Go on, times have come. Ask yourself what you could do and do it. > > In advance, thank you. > > Denis Yesterday night I was a little bit down after some hours of rest I'm again fully charged. I was planning to right the same kind of message real soon. You word it much better than I do Denis, thanks. I hope now we get some people again active on this list and ready for EuroPython. Please people! Let not all just look and say at the end 'well, I told you, that it would not work'. The congress WILL happen, how GOOD it will be, will only depend on yourself. So spread the word, look for people, help on some tasks (if only to discuss some points and help discussions at IRC) and be ready at 26-28 of July! Regards, Tom. From npettiaux@cocof.be Thu May 2 11:09:02 2002 From: npettiaux@cocof.be (Pettiaux Nicolas) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 12:09:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [French] Re: EuroPython 2002 : proposiion de =?iso-8859-1?q?pr=E9sentation?= In-Reply-To: <20020501151316.L27991@carolo.net> References: <9310801AA6D6BD4CABF9AF8D3565D520029F2F@mail-hlt.hlt.spacebel.be> <20020501151316.L27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020502101017.C4895A6120@magellan.cocof.be> Le Mercredi 01 Mai 2002 15:13, Denis Fr=E8re a =E9crit : Bonjour, > Que voil=E0 une belle (et prestigieuse) utilisation de Python. Pas de > probl=E8me s'il n'y a pas de rapport avec Zope : la conf=E9rence, tout = en > ayant une session sp=E9ciale Zope, traite avant tout de Python. > Je ne m'occupe pas vraiment de la composition du programme. Je crois qu= e > le meilleur conseil que je puisse donner est d'envoyer le m=EAme messag= e > (mais en Anglais) sur la mailing-list europython@python.org ; pour s'y > inscrire, voir http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > Il y a encore un peu de flou quant au programme, mais ne tra=EEne plus > pour faire ta proposition car les choses sont en train d'=EAtre fix=E9e= s. (comme ceci va aussi sur une liste anglophone, je continue en anglais) Denis has well summarized my thought about this project: nice python=20 application. Please look at the track inside which you would see you presentation fit = and=20 make a proposal at the track master. The best way to do, as mentioned by=20 Denis, is to send the mail to the organisation mailing-list mentioned abo= ve. Thanks Nicolas --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Gestionnaire NTIC Commission Communautaire fran=E7aise (Cocof) Rue des palais, 42 - B-1030 Bruxelles Tel: +32.(0)2.800.8000 (central) From lac@strakt.com Thu May 2 11:16:43 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 12:16:43 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ... In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" of "Thu, 02 May 2002 02:56:53 +0200." <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200205021016.g42AGikG009203@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > > > > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but > they > > > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the > > > conference concerning their open source titles. > > > > Clearly they should pay for this service. > > Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on the > amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things? Sure. Here is how you calculate it, 2 ways: You have to fill this in with the real numbers, because I don't know what the real numbers are. We promise 200 attendees. Each attendee is worth about .50 Euro to market to. Therefore you charge them 100 Euros. (The .50 is a good number. The 200 I do not know). However, I think that this is overcharging. Here is why, second way to calculate this: Average cost of book they sell is: 35.00 Euros. (I made that number up) Expected number of Sales from an attendence of 200 people: 20 (I made that one up as well). Somebody said that their profit was 10% -- they advertise selling 10% over cost. This is before they figure in their expenses. So - 3.5 times 20 = 70 Euros -- and they have to get charges out of that. All these figures you should be able to get from their marketing department. Since you did not know how to calculate this, then you probably do not know that this is no big secret. When you are negotiating a price with them, give them this as a back of the envelope calculation, and then fill in their real numbers. This is a completely open transaction. Nobody wins if anybody hides anything, and it is in nobody's interest to be dishonest here. This is a straight business to business trade, cash for access, with no complications and no strings. We do it all the time. You come with this sort of a calculation -- not the number, give them the 'and how I calculated it' they will know to file you under 'business' and not under 'shopper/amateur'. If they think you are an amateur then they will have the option of using the other set of playing rules in calculating such things, which is 'get as much as I can while paying as little as I can, no holds barred since they will not know if I am being reasonable or not'. I am not accusing them of that, just it is the eternally availabel option. And I have likely forgot some small thing, for instance I assume that taxes are not to be a problem, but if they are, then that needs to be factored in as well. Good luck, Laura ps -- 700 Euros for a booth seems mighty steep to me. I don't see 700 Euros worth of Customers coming over to see my stuff. This is what you get when you build a by-hackers-for-hackers conference -- the cost of the booth must go down because hackers are not ideal segement of the market to reach, unless, of course, you are selling hacking tools. From Tom Deprez" <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205021016.g42AGikG009203@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <031401c1f1c7$0c03dc10$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Laura, Thanks for this information! With this I know what to do. Now I at least have something to use when other ask for prices etc. I always thought that these price settings were 'secret', but I see from your explanation that it isn't. Really helpfull. Thanks again, Tom. > > > > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but > > they > > > > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the > > > > conference concerning their open source titles. > > > > > > Clearly they should pay for this service. > > > > Ok, sure, that's normal I think, but does somebody has experience on the > > amount of fee we can ask for these kind of things? > > Sure. Here is how you calculate it, 2 ways: > > You have to fill this in with the real numbers, because I don't > know what the real numbers are. > > We promise 200 attendees. Each attendee is worth about .50 Euro to > market to. Therefore you charge them 100 Euros. (The .50 is a good > number. The 200 I do not know). > > However, I think that this is overcharging. Here is why, second > way to calculate this: > > Average cost of book they sell is: 35.00 Euros. (I made that number up) > Expected number of Sales from an attendence of 200 people: 20 (I made that one > up as well). Somebody said that their profit was 10% -- they > advertise selling 10% over cost. This is before they figure in their > expenses. So - 3.5 times 20 = 70 Euros -- and they have to get charges > out of that. > > All these figures you should be able to get from their marketing department. > > Since you did not know how to calculate this, then you probably do not > know that this is no big secret. When you are negotiating a price > with them, give them this as a back of the envelope calculation, and > then fill in their real numbers. This is a completely open > transaction. Nobody wins if anybody hides anything, and it is in > nobody's interest to be dishonest here. This is a straight business > to business trade, cash for access, with no complications and no > strings. We do it all the time. You come with this sort of a > calculation -- not the number, give them the 'and how I calculated it' > they will know to file you under 'business' and not under > 'shopper/amateur'. If they think you are an amateur then they will > have the option of using the other set of playing rules in calculating > such things, which is 'get as much as I can while paying as little as > I can, no holds barred since they will not know if I am being > reasonable or not'. I am not accusing them of that, just it is the > eternally availabel option. > > And I have likely forgot some small thing, for instance I assume that > taxes are not to be a problem, but if they are, then that needs to be > factored in as well. > > Good luck, > Laura > > ps -- 700 Euros for a booth seems mighty steep to me. I don't see 700 > Euros worth of Customers coming over to see my stuff. This is what > you get when you build a by-hackers-for-hackers conference -- the > cost of the booth must go down because hackers are not ideal segement > of the market to reach, unless, of course, you are selling hacking tools. > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 12:34:20 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:34:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [French] Re: EuroPython 2002 : proposiion de =?iso-8859-1?q?pr=E9sentation?= In-Reply-To: <20020502101017.C4895A6120@magellan.cocof.be> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Pettiaux Nicolas wrote: > Le Mercredi 01 Mai 2002 15:13, Denis Frère a écrit : > Bonjour, > > > Que voilà une belle (et prestigieuse) utilisation de Python. Pas de > > problème s'il n'y a pas de rapport avec Zope : la conférence, tout en > > ayant une session spéciale Zope, traite avant tout de Python. > > > Je ne m'occupe pas vraiment de la composition du programme. Je crois que > > le meilleur conseil que je puisse donner est d'envoyer le même message > > (mais en Anglais) sur la mailing-list europython@python.org ; pour s'y > > inscrire, voir http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > Il y a encore un peu de flou quant au programme, mais ne traîne plus > > pour faire ta proposition car les choses sont en train d'être fixées. > > (comme ceci va aussi sur une liste anglophone, je continue en anglais) > > Denis has well summarized my thought about this project: nice python > application. > > Please look at the track inside which you would see you presentation fit and > make a proposal at the track master. The best way to do, as mentioned by > Denis, is to send the mail to the organisation mailing-list mentioned above. Hi List, I'll handle this if I may :-) ----------------- Bonjour Pierre, Je coordonne le sujet "Python in Science and Industry", et je pense que cette présentation conviendrait très bien. Pourriez-vous m'envoyer en privé un petit résumé (basé sur la présentation faite à la liste, ça ira très bien), ainsi que quelques lignes "biographiques". Nous réglerons tout le reste ensemble. Merci d'avance, ----------------- Done. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 12:13:43 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:13:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > them in which rooms they would go. > > You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > (In more detail topic) wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 12:41:06 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 13:41:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! In-Reply-To: <033e01c1f147$a7f492c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > I'm working on a new home page. I've totally no design skills and I miss > some serious information. So I hope people want to have a look at it and > give me advice on how to improve it and how to fill it with the correct > information. Thanks! > > http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks > > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > > them in which rooms they would go. > > > > You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > (In more detail topic) > > wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry > go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ? Glad you checked it out. That's why I posted it in the first place. Mmm, I went further on the information of http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks (which was updated during the IRC chat). In it, it tells that Python S&I is planned for day 2 PM. I forgot to look at the amount of sessions!, sorry! There are several options: -------------------------- 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free. 2) Perhaps let the congress end at 18.00 or 19.00h. This would allow us to give more talks. However, this has some implications: we need to pay for guards. Denis, perhaps it's interesting just to check out the cost of this. If it is not that much, we could settle for this.... and perhaps have an evening event in the multipurpose room (if allowed by CEME) 3) ? Regards, Tom. From lac@strakt.com Thu May 2 12:53:57 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:53:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ... In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" of "Thu, 02 May 2002 12:49:34 +0200." <031401c1f1c7$0c03dc10$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205020017.g420Hm820871@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <048201c1f174$4147f620$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205021016.g42AGikG009203@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <031401c1f1c7$0c03dc10$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <200205021153.g42BrvkG009596@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Hi Laura, > > Thanks for this information! With this I know what to do. Now I at least > have something to use when other ask for prices etc. > I always thought that these price settings were 'secret', but I see from > your explanation that it isn't. Really helpfull. > > Thanks again, > Tom. My pleasure. Laura From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 13:06:33 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 14:06:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free. Moving it to Day1/Track3 is fine with me as I have to speak on Day2 PM in the Python Apps track. BTW, because of very similar blue/violet colors, I can't make a difference between Zope and Web services talks... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <03e201c1f1d6$abd123b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free. > > Moving it to Day1/Track3 is fine with me as I have to speak on Day2 PM = in > the Python Apps track. > > BTW, because of very similar blue/violet colors, I can't make a differe= nce > between Zope and Web services talks... Yes, I know.... :-) i'll change that when the timeschedules are final. (the web services talks are on Day3 only) Regards, Tom. > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From guido@python.org Thu May 2 13:48:48 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 08:48:48 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 02 May 2002 13:41:06 +0200." References: Message-ID: <200205021248.g42Cmnq01033@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press > release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you > need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about. A press release is not a home page. A home page aims to provide easy access to links and other information, should have attractive graphics, and not much text. Read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug for more info on how to make a good home page. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 14:00:21 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! In-Reply-To: <200205021248.g42Cmnq01033@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: > > Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press > > release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you > > need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about. > > A press release is not a home page. A home page aims to provide easy > access to links and other information, should have attractive > graphics, and not much text. Read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve > Krug for more info on how to make a good home page. Sure, a press release is not a home page. But, a home page should provide most of the information a passer-by needs. Read "Don't make me tour your website to find out what it is about" or "Don't make me explore your website to find out the answers to my three simpleand super-common questions". BTW, on a website like EuroPython, graphics, even attractive ones, are useless unless they provide information (except for the logo maybe). Let's turn a summary of the press release into our homepage then :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From denis@aragne.com Thu May 2 14:06:04 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 15:06:04 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <037001c1f1cf$cd54de20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020502150603.D32106@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 02, 2002 at 01:52:14PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > However, this has some implications: we need to pay for guards. > Denis, perhaps it's interesting just to check out the cost of this. I've no exact figures, but that's man evening hours (you can guess it's not really cheap). Could be about 50 EUR/hour or more. > If it is not that much, we could settle for this.... It's not that much if we need it. > and perhaps have an evening event in the multipurpose room (if > allowed by CEME) Allowed with a guard. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <048a01c1f1e2$5a64c160$1e71a8c0@u10136> Ok, I added some text on it (I took it shamelessly from the codeur.org site) = and removed the cartoon. Let me know what you think.... Of course we need to add some design to it. Eg a nice looking font for the quote. (Sorry, haven't read: "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve Krug, yet.... I'm already stealing some time of my regular work) Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Guido van Rossum" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! > > > Why do we need to change the homepage ? Opening with the press > > > release is not that bad as it summarizes all the information you > > > need to get a good understanding of what EuroPython is about. > > > > A press release is not a home page. A home page aims to provide easy > > access to links and other information, should have attractive > > graphics, and not much text. Read "Don't Make Me Think" by Steve > > Krug for more info on how to make a good home page. > > Sure, a press release is not a home page. > > But, a home page should provide most of the information a passer-by nee= ds. > Read "Don't make me tour your website to find out what it is about" or > "Don't make me explore your website to find out the answers to my three > simpleand super-common questions". BTW, on a website like EuroPython, > graphics, even attractive ones, are useless unless they provide > information (except for the logo maybe). > > Let's turn a summary of the press release into our homepage then :-) > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 15:18:06 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 16:18:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! In-Reply-To: <048a01c1f1e2$5a64c160$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > I added some text on it (I took it shamelessly from the codeur.org > site) and removed the cartoon. Let me know what you think.... Of > course we need to add some design to it. Eg a nice looking font for > the quote. I think it's much better. I'd like to contribute stuff to the website from time to time. May I get a zope account ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <04bc01c1f1eb$d979a0c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Sure.! I'll send you your account information. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! > On Thu, 2 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > > > I added some text on it (I took it shamelessly from the codeur.org > > site) and removed the cartoon. Let me know what you think.... Of > > course we need to add some design to it. Eg a nice looking font for > > the quote. > > I think it's much better. I'd like to contribute stuff to the website f= rom > time to time. May I get a zope account ? > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 2 16:20:55 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:20:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] to all track chairmen In-Reply-To: <20020429130524.GB8638@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > Track organizers, we need a short description of the tracks you're > working on to put on the website. Please send along all stuff to this > thread, I'll collect it all and create a web page. > > If no abstract of your track is forthcoming soon, I'll make something > up instead, which may not be what you want. :) """ Python In Science And Industry This track will focus on the use of Python in science and industry, where tasks imply modelling complex systems (thermics, fluid dynamics, mechanics, aeronautics, biology, chemistry, etc.), processing very large data sets and achieving very CPU-intensive and long calculations. Speakers will present tool sets, frameworks and examples of successful applications based on Python and integrated with the other usual tools and applications used in the field. """ Any help to improve the above abstract will be greatly appreciated :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <01dc01c1f231$22290f00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter> Oops, I forgot something! The first day in the morning was supposed to be only tutorials.... So it could be that if we move the Science Track to the morning lot's of people will not be there on the conference (because they assume tutorials will be given and do not come for these). So, what will we do? Still put them on Track 3 in the morning (Day 1)? Or start from 11:00 in the morning (Day1 Track 3)? Or place the first session in the afternoon of Track3 / Day 1? I'm not sure, perhaps you didn't mention your people about the tutorials, so we could still place it on Track3 / Day1 starting from 9.00h Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks > 1) Put the Python S&I on Day1. We've still one full track free. Moving it to Day1/Track3 is fine with me as I have to speak on Day2 PM in the Python Apps track. BTW, because of very similar blue/violet colors, I can't make a difference between Zope and Web services talks... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <01dd01c1f231$25560c00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter> Hi, I received a nice graphic from Vincent and I couldn't wait to put the home page online. I hope nobody minds! Yes, it is a graphic and graphics perhaps don't fit in a home page, but I love this one. If people don't like it, let me know and I'll remove it (with pain in my heart :-). Regards, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Fri May 3 03:31:04 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:31:04 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! In-Reply-To: <01dd01c1f231$25560c00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter> References: <01dd01c1f231$25560c00$6f8c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020503043104.P32106@carolo.net> Le Fri, May 03, 2002 at 01:28:56AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > Hi, > > I received a nice graphic from Vincent and I couldn't wait to put the home > page online. > I hope nobody minds! Yes, it is a graphic and graphics perhaps don't fit in > a home page, but I love this one. > If people don't like it, let me know and I'll remove it (with pain in my > heart :-). Waw ! Even if Vincent was my worse ennemy, I would love this image ... Most of us don't fear a 32kb image (or then we lynx/links). Perhaps a little bit smaller for laptop users ? (private joke : I'll buy more orange juice tomorrow !) Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From marc@msys.ch Fri May 3 08:22:50 2002 From: marc@msys.ch (Marc Balmer) Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 09:22:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Tutorial Session Message-ID: <936B25CD-5E66-11D6-A525-003065F9345A@msys.ch> Hi All Given that I am Charleroi three days and give one talk, I can always give a tutorial session if that is needed. Regards, Marc -- Marc Balmer, HyperWerk, University of Applied Sciences, Basel Totentanz 17-18, 4051 Basel, http://www.hyperwerk.ch/mb/ From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Fri, 3 May 2002 01:22:30 +0200, Tom Deprez wrote: >I forgot something! The first day in the morning was supposed to be onl= y >tutorials.... So it could be that if we move the Science Track to the >morning lot's of people will not be there on the conference (because th= ey >assume tutorials will be given and do not come for these). I planned to arrive Wednesday morning, and thus cannot guarantee to be t= here at 9:00 AM. So I think you should at least ask the people supposed to gi= ve the talks in that track if that is ok with them. Ciao, J=FCrgen -- J=FCrgen Hermann, Developer (jhe@webde-ag.de) WEB.DE AG, http://webde-ag.de/ From Tom Deprez" Hi, It would really be nice if some designers could help me on the following pages: http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress http://europython.zope.nl/news/newsEntries/20020429 http://europython.zope.nl/news/index_html (must display old news) The pages look like **** at the moment and I hope somebody can send me a nice mockup. Regards, tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, It would really be nice if some designers could help me on the following pages: http://www.europython.org/index_html_inprogress http://europython.zope.nl/news/newsEntries/20020429 http://europython.zope.nl/news/index_html (must display old news) The pages look like **** at the moment and I hope somebody can send me a nice mockup. Regards, tom. From mvm@brutele.be Thu May 2 16:15:14 2002 From: mvm@brutele.be (Vincent) Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 17:15:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] NEW HOME PAGE - PLEASE LOOK! References: <048a01c1f1e2$5a64c160$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <001201c1f1ec$2991a030$bbff44d4@gfx1> C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C1F1FC.EC87CD20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit What do you think about this ??? Is it too much ??? 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(Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:29:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020504082950.GA20716@vet.uu.nl> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: [pictures] > This is superb work... Thanks taking so much time... Yes, Tom, very nice! > When looking at the schedule, I think that the keynote at the end of the > day is a really nice idea... but we'll have to be very strict about > duration of talks if we want to be out in time. Naturally; we need the track managers to pull out watches and bark at everybody a lot if they take too long. :) It also depends on how strict CEME is about kicking us out in the evening. > Paul, Tom do we need to be more specific about the Zope talks... I mean > separating them in different Zope tracks as Zope infrastructure (Zope 3, > i18n), Zope Content Management, etc... ? Might be nice but wouldn't be very important in my mind; we'll just see what type of mix we'll get. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:35:27 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:35:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] exclamation mark elimination squad Message-ID: <20020504083526.GD20716@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, As a member of the secret PSU unit of the multiple exclamation mark elemination squad, I've removed an instance of three !!! from the europython homepage. With Terry Pratchett I'm of the opinion that more than one ! is too much of a good thing (and a sign of a slipping grip on reality, but then we do use Python.. :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:38:46 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:38:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020501110904.00a7d3b0@pop.swing.be> <008001c1f0f4$79abc030$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFCAFF.7276F6F3@lemburg.com> <014301c1f102$72a0e460$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CCFD820.65ABFA03@lemburg.com> <017101c1f110$c9b33420$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205011908.g41J8HkG006302@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020504083846.GE20716@vet.uu.nl> Laura Creighton wrote: > All the people that I spoke with who went to IPC 10, including 2 from > my own company said that the Lightning talks were by far the most > important thing at IPC 10. Thus they should not be scheduled to > overlap with any talks or tutorials because they are the one thing > that everybody will want to attend, reguardless of their other interests. I rather like the third day being filled with lightning talks and such; such things are nice, easy to drop in on, one doesn't fall asleep very quickly, and that would be perfect for the third day's morning. So let's keep them as is. We can keep that open space for, say, a EuroZope members meeting or somesuch, even though that may happen on the third day as well.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:41:29 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:41:29 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] questions, questions, ... In-Reply-To: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <042c01c1f16d$b7309bf0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020504084129.GF20716@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I need questions on these really soon: > > 1) Pearson Education Benelux isn't able to attend the conference, but they > would like to produce a little brochure which can be handed out at the > conference concerning their open source titles. > Are people against this? Is it now official that a book company has a stand > at EuroPython. And if so, can we still allow these kinds of leaflets to be > spread out at the conference. I think so. > I've nothing against it, but wan't to know other peoples opinions before I > write them back. Sure, but perhaps they'd also like to do something nice, like sponsor us or give us some free booty to distribute. :) > 2) Press People: I already asked this before. Are there special rules for > Press People? I guess they get free entrance. Are there other things we take > into account? Well, we do need to vet every press person that comes up.. is there some special procedure to check whether someone is 'press'? I mean, otherwise everybody can claim they're press.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:43:45 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:43:45 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> Denis Fr?re wrote: > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. > > OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news > from ShareIT. What do we do with the student discount, though? > Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate > entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to > 'inherit' from the first one ? Would that be for the student discount? Hm... What'd the third type of entry be? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:45:23 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:45:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Secure webspace... In-Reply-To: <20020502063240.C27991@carolo.net> References: <015f01c1f10f$317d1910$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD008FF.3E754694@lemburg.com> <01ec01c1f126$ca4734c0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020502063240.C27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020504084523.GH20716@vet.uu.nl> Denis Fr?re wrote: > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:42:23PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > > > Fixed this a few hours ago! Now it should be possible to access > > https://secure.zope.nl/europython without a prob > > (Not really questions for Tom, though I profit of his mail to ask.) > > Wouldn't it be possible to have www.europython.org set to point to > the Amaze machine (DNS) ? > > What next with that name ? Is the present owner ready to let it to the > EuroPython organisation ? Yeah, that's Thomas Reulbach and I've tried to accomplish that with him before, but he hasn't transferred it yet. I'll mail him again. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:51:40 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:51:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020504085139.GJ20716@vet.uu.nl> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > > them in which rooms they would go. > > > > You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > (In more detail topic) > > wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry > go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ? We still have some free space on day two, but that'd run in parallel with science and industry already. Perhaps we can move some other tracks forward on that day and have a science and industry session in AM as well? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 4 09:54:54 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 10:54:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] do we have a confirm from Jim Fulton? Message-ID: <20020504085454.GK20716@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I see Jim Fulton's name is on the homepage now; we do actually have a confirm that he's going to show up? If so, that's very cool, but if not, let's please withdraw that for now! Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00d501c1f35b$b34ebd60$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:35 AM Subject: [EuroPython] exclamation mark elimination squad > Hi there, > > As a member of the secret PSU unit of the multiple exclamation mark elemination squad, I've removed an instance of three !!! from the > europython homepage. With Terry Pratchett I'm of the opinion that more than one ! is too much of a good thing (and a sign of a slipping > grip on reality, but then we do use Python.. :) ah, you dare!!! :-))) Tom. From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <00d601c1f35b$b653e710$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: "Denis Fr?re" ; "M.-A. Lemburg" ; "Tom Deprez" ; "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges > Denis Fr?re wrote: > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. > > > > OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news > > from ShareIT. > > What do we do with the student discount, though? > > > Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate > > entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to > > 'inherit' from the first one ? > > Would that be for the student discount? > > Hm... What'd the third type of entry be? We had 3,5 :-) 1) Normal 2) Early Bird 3) Student 3,5) If they really ask for it: 1 Day Tom. > Regards, > > Martijn > From Tom Deprez" Not really subject to the EuroPython, but close: Is there someone working for organizing a zope3 sprint before EuroPython? Or is this idea not followed any more. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <20020504085139.GJ20716@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <010401c1f35c$f9e77180$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> > Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > I've made a graphical view of the time schedules and the tracks. > > > I did my best to put them together with my knowledge. I didn't yet placed > > > them in which rooms they would go. > > > > > > You can find them at http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > > (In more detail topic) > > > > wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and Industry > > go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it ? > > We still have some free space on day two, but that'd run in parallel with > science and industry already. Perhaps we can move some other tracks > forward on that day and have a science and industry session in AM as > well? Or we let the Science session start at 11:00 Day 1. This however means that one session is parallel with Tutorials. Or we pay for a guard and have the end-time of the conference later on the day. Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, I put some points together which need to be decided at the IRC Chat: (It contains a summary of the session problems) http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Let us all take a little break... just to keep the spirit... Something has changed on the home page.... but what? Search for it and you'll get a small gift for your hard work! Happy hunting, from Vincent Maton (who did the most work) and Tom Have a nice weekend. From mal@lemburg.com Sat May 4 15:46:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:46:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks References: <026101c1f09b$fce8b1f0$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020504085139.GJ20716@vet.uu.nl> <010401c1f35c$f9e77180$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CD3F42E.1FAD0213@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > wow, where did the 3 sessions dedicated to Python In Science and > Industry > > > go ? That is what we settled for during last monday's IRC chat, isn't it > ? Looking at the track's wiki page I can't really find the need for three sessions: you have 4 confirmed talks and those would easily fit into 2 sessions. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sat May 4 15:55:54 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 16:55:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track (Chat on Monday) References: <011601c1f35f$386fd3a0$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CD3F67A.3C16DF7E@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > I put some points together which need to be decided at the IRC Chat: > (It contains a summary of the session problems) > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 Note that we will only use one session of the web services track for talks. The other was highjacked by the business track for more indepth discussions of the subject (in BoF style or as panel discussion). Moving the track to day 2 is not an option because Tim and I would like to attend the applications track. Moving the web services session 1 to day 1 PM and keeping session 2 on day 3 for the business track discussion would probably be possible though. I've added some other issues to the above meeting page. I hope I can make it to that meeting. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sat May 4 16:15:42 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:15:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020501231839.P27991@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CD3FB1E.D2A56B2C@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >=20 > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 04:16:59PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 12:49:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > > > Up to now, P3B has no VAT account. I don't think it's required, but > > > it's possible to get one. Do you really think we should take one ? > > > > Please, ask this to your accountant, he/she should know if we need a = VAT. >=20 > I know that P3B don't *need* one, but *may* have one. > Do visitors would be interrested in P3B having a VAT number ? > - Yes if we consider 200 EUR is a VAT included price > - No if the conference price is 200 EUR + VAT >=20 > In the first case, they will just have a 200 EUR expense. > In the last case, they would have a 165 EUR expense + 35 EUR VAT > but then EuroPython would have 165 EUR (gross) benefit and Belgium VAT > administration a 35 EUR benefit for each visitor. > If EuroPython wants to earn 200 EUR/vistor, then the entrance fee must > be 242 EUR. >=20 > Tell me if I'm wrong. I can't tell you, but your account can. You'll have to ask him whether P3B has to charge VAT on the conference fee or not. Depending on the corporation status of P3B and how conferences are treated with respect to VAT in Belgium this may or may not be the case. In any case, we need to be very careful about this, since if we get this wrong, P3B may be held liable for the VAT by the revenue service, leaving P3B with unexpected "costs" of more than EUR 15.000 (400 * 0,21 * 200 EUR) ! Note: We need to know this *before* going public with the=20 payment interface. --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all * News page looks good now and added to the main navigation * Single news page is finished too * Home page is updated to a new front (we even have a surpise) * Press-release has now a page on its on (moved to main navigation menu) * Added the time-schedules online (they can still change!) * The site can now be visited on secure line : https://secure.zope.nl/europython (many thanks to the people from Amaze, who provide us the webspace and server!) To Do Urgent: * Payment system: Denis has already created a ShareIT account. I'm wainting on him, until he receives a go from ShareIT Work is under way to make a payment system through EuroZope as well. (we've now a secure line) and waiting on information from Joachim. To Do: * Workfloor plan. I've asked for a nice floorplan picture of level 1 at the CEME people (bigger image then the existing one). Waiting on the which tracks go in which room etc discussion. * Putting Track information online * Putting the filled session online (wait until possible) * Confirmation of well-known people that they will come to the conference, so we can put them online * Evening activities? * More information? * What else? Have fun, Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sat May 4 17:49:03 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 18:49:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Denis Fr?re wrote: > > Le Wed, May 01, 2002 at 06:08:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > > > > > I think it's faster if Denis simply sets up the ShareIT account. > > > > OK, done for a 2OO EUR entrance. I tell you as soon as I get news > > from ShareIT. > > What do we do with the student discount, though? Simple: you add a new product with the reduced rate. Students will then have to bring their student license to the registration desk to obtain the entry badge. > > Would you be kind enough to remind me if I have to create 3 separate > > entries with all the data again or if there is a possibility to > > 'inherit' from the first one ? > > Would that be for the student discount? No, Denis was probably talking about how to setup the products in the ShareIT control panel. The normal procedure to declare a base product which has all the standard settings and then adjust the values for the derived products. Denis, if you can send me the login data, I could setup the products for you. You can change the password again, after I've made the changes. > Hm... What'd the third type of entry be? Let's see: """ Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro Students : 100 euro Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the conference themselves. """ The early bird rate would be disabled after May 19. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> > Let's see: > """ > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > Students : 100 euro > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > conference themselves. Isn't after may 19th a little bit too early? Why not say until June the first? Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sat May 4 18:00:35 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:00:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net> <027c01c1f1b7$278fa8c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD413B3.401BB785@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Please people! Let not all just look and say at the end 'well, I told you, > that it would not work'. The congress WILL happen, how GOOD it will be, will > only depend on yourself. So spread the word, look for people, help on some > tasks (if only to discuss some points and help discussions at IRC) and be > ready at 26-28 of July! Make that: 26-28 June :-) Seriously, at this stage, you simply have to assign work to the people on the various teams rather than wait for them to speak up. This means: writing personal emails or simply phoning them up. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502033940.Q27991@carolo.net> <027c01c1f1b7$278fa8c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD413B3.401BB785@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <02ed01c1f390$e8432800$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> > > > > Please people! Let not all just look and say at the end 'well, I told you, > > that it would not work'. The congress WILL happen, how GOOD it will be, will > > only depend on yourself. So spread the word, look for people, help on some > > tasks (if only to discuss some points and help discussions at IRC) and be > > ready at 26-28 of July! > > Make that: 26-28 June :-) > > Seriously, at this stage, you simply have to assign work to the people on the various teams rather than wait for them to speak up. This means: writing personal emails or simply phoning them up. Yeah, I noticed this. Joachim is working on the registration through EuroZope. We need to wait now until some products are installed on the server. Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sat May 4 18:54:36 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 19:54:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > Let's see: > > """ > > Early bird rate (until sunday may 19): 200 euro > > Normal fee (after may 19) : 250 euro > > Students : 100 euro > > > > Perhaps we need a fee of, say, 275 euro for people who show up at the > > conference themselves. > > Isn't after may 19th a little bit too early? Why not say until June the > first? That was a quote taken from the mailing list. I'd rather dump the early-bird registration altogether: if we manage to setup the ShareIT registration next week, we'll have 3 weeks of payments in May. The money from ShareIT for this month will be on the P3B bank account by mid-June -- and that's all we have to finance upfront costs. BTW, what did the budget team decide on the exhibitor and sponsor fees ? We will need those RSN too and a team to inform the exhibitors and sponsors. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From guido@python.org Sat May 4 22:38:37 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:38:37 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 04 May 2002 19:54:36 +0200." <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com> References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200205042138.g44Lcf905016@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > That was a quote taken from the mailing list. I'd rather dump the > early-bird registration altogether: if we manage to setup the > ShareIT registration next week, we'll have 3 weeks of payments > in May. The money from ShareIT for this month will be on the > P3B bank account by mid-June -- and that's all we have to > finance upfront costs. You need the early bird discount to encourage people to sign up early, so that (a) you have some money for up front cost, and perhaps more importantly (b) you have an idea of how registration goes. If there's no early bird discount, everybody will follow their natural tendencies, which is to wait until the last moment. (Also make sure they understand that if they register and pay at the door it's even more expensive -- I'd say EU 50 more again; otherwise you'll have endless lines with walk-on registrants.) --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From guido@python.org Sat May 4 22:41:59 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Sat, 04 May 2002 17:41:59 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Jim Fulton and Zope3 sprint Message-ID: <200205042142.g44Lg2D05245@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> I just asked Jim. He wants to be there and do a Zope3 sprint, but it's not yet 100% decided (so if you announce this, use words like "likely"). --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From tom.deprez@village.uunet.be Sun May 5 01:00:19 2002 From: tom.deprez@village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 02:00:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Jim Fulton and Zope3 sprint References: <200205042142.g44Lg2D05245@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <038201c1f3c8$3c263430$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> Thanks for the info Guido! Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido van Rossum" To: Cc: Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 11:41 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Jim Fulton and Zope3 sprint > I just asked Jim. He wants to be there and do a Zope3 sprint, but > it's not yet 100% decided (so if you announce this, use words like > "likely"). > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Sun May 5 15:35:10 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:35:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Chat on Monday In-Reply-To: <011601c1f35f$386fd3a0$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > Hi, > > I put some points together which need to be decided at the IRC Chat: > (It contains a summary of the session problems) > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 I will not be able to attend that IRC session as I will be out of town on monday. Concerning item 1, please just make sure you don't ditch the Science track :-) My progress so far with that Track is at http://www.europython/draftwiki/PythonInScienceAndIndustryTrack that lists *confirmed* speakers only. I have other potential speakers that are not written therein. Have a good chat, I'll read the report afterwards. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Sun May 5 15:39:31 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 16:39:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks In-Reply-To: <3CD3F42E.1FAD0213@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > Looking at the track's wiki page I can't really find the need > for three sessions: you have 4 confirmed talks and those would > easily fit into 2 sessions. Should I send e-mails to every speaker that's not confirmed yet to tell them they're not welcome anymore ? I think we have room left for sessions, unless the current timetable is really not up to date... and I think I will have enough speakers for three sessions and I would like the three sessions to happen on the same day... now if I end up having only speakers for two sessions, I'll happily give more room to another Track. I should know that within a week or ten days. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <004101c1f459$9c649a30$7f8c84d5@skullsplitter> >I will not be able to attend that IRC session as I will be out of town on >monday. Concerning item 1, please just make sure you don't ditch the >Science track :-) I hope to be able to attend it too, but unfortunately, not like last week, I'm this time at my work and my collegue has vacation, so it's quiet possible that I won't be able to be on the chat all the time :-( I hope somebody looks at the points dough and solutions are provided. Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sun May 5 22:25:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:25:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: <3CCFC84F.E04A53DD@lemburg.com> <20020501153757.M27991@carolo.net> <019101c1f11a$dcda9200$f68d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD01313.5B523205@lemburg.com> <20020502052202.U27991@carolo.net> <20020504084345.GG20716@vet.uu.nl> <3CD410FF.8610F8B5@lemburg.com> <02d501c1f38d$01c28c70$c78d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CD4205C.804B527E@lemburg.com> <200205042138.g44Lcf905016@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3CD5A332.78B63FC1@lemburg.com> Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > That was a quote taken from the mailing list. I'd rather dump the > > early-bird registration altogether: if we manage to setup the > > ShareIT registration next week, we'll have 3 weeks of payments > > in May. The money from ShareIT for this month will be on the > > P3B bank account by mid-June -- and that's all we have to > > finance upfront costs. > > You need the early bird discount to encourage people to sign up early, > so that (a) you have some money for up front cost, and perhaps more > importantly (b) you have an idea of how registration goes. If there's > no early bird discount, everybody will follow their natural > tendencies, which is to wait until the last moment. (Also make sure > they understand that if they register and pay at the door it's even > more expensive -- I'd say EU 50 more again; otherwise you'll have > endless lines with walk-on registrants.) Ok, so how about limiting the early bird discount to all registrations up to and including May 31. We'll get those by mid-June on the bank account. All later online registrations will be on the bank account by mid-July -- half a month after the conference. Plus, raise the on-site registration to standard fee + EUR 50. PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online registration data + the conference speaker data for printing them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with a printer and appropriate software for doing the same in real-time. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sun May 5 22:37:17 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 23:37:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time Schedules and Tracks References: Message-ID: <3CD5A60D.8067D07E@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > Looking at the track's wiki page I can't really find the need > > for three sessions: you have 4 confirmed talks and those would > > easily fit into 2 sessions. > > Should I send e-mails to every speaker that's not confirmed yet to tell > them they're not welcome anymore ? Nicolas, I wasn't suggesting that: The problem is that the wiki page doesn't mention how many speakers you have talked to and are yet unconfirmed. It also doesn't state how much time you give them for the talks and whether you are focussing on 2 talks per session or 3 talks per session. > I think we have room left for sessions, > unless the current timetable is really not up to date... and I think I > will have enough speakers for three sessions and I would like the three > sessions to happen on the same day... now if I end up having only speakers > for two sessions, I'll happily give more room to another Track. I should > know that within a week or ten days. The problem with a three session track is that it doesn't fit well into the existing schedule (which is either 1, 2 or 4 sessions per track). The only remaining sessions are those on day 1 PM. If we reserve the 13:30 session for you, would that be fine ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From denis@aragne.com Mon May 6 04:37:38 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 05:37:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] ShareIT Message-ID: <20020506053738.J32106@carolo.net> No news from ShareIT yet. I hope I will receive something this Monday. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Mon May 6 04:45:58 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 05:45:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team Message-ID: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> We should be able now to have a better budget estimation. I remember some of you volunteered to prepare a spreadsheet, with all the points we have to think to. How many 'info' people do you think we will need ? Will we need extra hours ? How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 6 09:29:03 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:29:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00 Message-ID: <3CD63ECF.2040703@lemburg.com> This is a reminder about today's EuroPython IRC meeting. As discussed in the last IRC meeting we will have these meetings every Monday at UTC 15:00 (that's 17:00 CEST). The meeting is held at irc.openprojects.net in the #europython channel. The agenda is at: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > We should be able now to have a better budget estimation. > I remember some of you volunteered to prepare a spreadsheet, with all the points we have to think to. If nobody replies on this one, then I'll help on this subject Denis (I think you know this already, because of the mail I send you on saterday). (first to tell that I haven't read my mail at home yet) I've no background in this at all, but it should be done before the end of this week. I would even say: this wednesday we need to have it already. If we want to invite companies. > How many 'info' people do you think we will need ? I guess 1 or 2 (so they can backup). They are just there to help people find hotels, taxis, information on Charleroi City, buses, phone calls, ticket problems, flight problems, sending faxes, toilets :-)... I think these people are needed. I've good memmories of such people at conferences. They could really help me when I was in panic, concerning certain problems and they could help in the native language of the country. Explain the problem etc >Will we need extra hours ? I don't know if we need extra hours, but I'm sure we need guards.... If we have booths, there must be surveillance during the nights... This means that we've to hire a guard (or more). Are we or the congress (who's responsible?) for theft? Anyway if we've guards, we don't have to think anymore on the time and if needed we can take extra hours without a problem. > How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conference isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs). Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not sure) Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the internet connection, projector and small conference room. So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on friday)) + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector, conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?) I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course, this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among us, do we :-) ) We also need people at the entry (last-minute payments, making of badges, ...) We need price settings for these too. (Can the conference offer english speaking personel?) Regards, Tom > Denis > > -- > Denis FRERE > P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org > OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org > Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 6 11:56:41 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 12:56:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> Just a few comments... Tom Deprez wrote: >>How many 'info' people do you think we will need ? > > > I guess 1 or 2 (so they can backup). They are just there to help people find > hotels, taxis, information on Charleroi City, buses, phone calls, ticket > problems, flight problems, sending faxes, toilets :-)... > I think these people are needed. I've good memmories of such people at > conferences. They could really help me when I was in panic, concerning > certain problems and they could help in the native language of the country. > Explain the problem etc +1 >>Will we need extra hours ? > > > I don't know if we need extra hours, but I'm sure we need guards.... If we > have booths, there must be surveillance during the nights... This means that > we've to hire a guard (or more). Are we or the congress (who's responsible?) > for theft? > Anyway if we've guards, we don't have to think anymore on the time and if > needed we can take extra hours without a problem. +1. I also think that we should get insurance for the booths, our rented conference material (projectors, PCs, etc) and most important to cover liability charges (e.g. someone hurts himself due to a conference chair breaking, etc.). >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... > > > I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or > 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conference > isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this > small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these > conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of > 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this > isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth > (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs). > Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not > sure) > > Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this > is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the > internet connection, projector and small conference room. > > So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro > + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on > friday)) + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector, > conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?) > > I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course, > this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among > us, do we :-) ) I think you are seriously underestimating the value of a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for three days and two nights. Even though we are not in this for the money, the booth fees provide us with one of the very few ways to raise upfront money to leverage risk and secure the budget. > We also need people at the entry (last-minute payments, making of badges, > ...) Right. I'd suggest having 3 people full time and an additional 2 on the first day in the morning hours. Please remember that we will need to train these people before the conference ! > We need price settings for these too. (Can the conference offer english > speaking personel?) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <01c701c1f4f6$4e3d0ac0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... > > > > > > I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or > > 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conference > > isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this > > small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these > > conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of > > 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this > > isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth > > (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs). > > Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not > > sure) > > > > Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this > > is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the > > internet connection, projector and small conference room. > > > > So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro > > + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on > > friday)) + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector, > > conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?) > > > > I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course, > > this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among > > us, do we :-) ) > I think you are seriously underestimating the value of a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover > the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for > three days and two nights. Right, correct, but material isn't included in the 200 EUR price.(and it looks like I wrote that a little bit wrong above) All that is included in the 200 EUR (or 100 EUR) is a 2,5m2 booth with a table and a chair.... I think this is enough for just that. If people want to have a PC, an internet connection, a projecter or/and a conference room, they have to pay for that extra charge. Security and assurance is another point. I don't know the prices of this and we may or may not have to ask more for a base price (depending on the cost of it)Therefor we need to know exact prices for all this (can you check this with the conference people Denis? If possible right now, so we can make a better estimate :-)). On the other hand, the prices need to be attractive to the companies as well. Otherwise, there will be no booths. So we've to look very close the price setting (500 EUR as a base price, as it is now, is perhaps indeed too much for such a small group of possible customers) What I propose is: 1. To lower the plain basic price 2. Check the extra costs so that we can give exact figures to the companies about these extra costs. These extra costs are the costs we've to pay to the congress in order to use these kind of facilities, so we earn nothing from that. 3. We mail (or phone; but I can't phone since I can only phone in the evenings due to my other job) all companies we know of. If they want a boot, then they pay upfront. This money can then be used for the first expenses. Regards, Tom. From lac@strakt.com Mon May 6 13:36:46 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:36:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" of "Mon, 06 May 2002 12:56:41 +0200." <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... > > > > > > I think we've to recount this. Let's put the bare minimum price to: 100 or > > 200 Euro max. (no entry ticket included!). Why? Well, because the conferenc > e > > isn't that big... and the booth people have to find interest among this > > small group. I'm not a booth expert, but I can imagine that in these > > conferences perhaps only 1% deals are comming from the visitors and 5% of > > 'name-knowing'. With an amount of min 200, to max 400(?) visitors, this > > isn't much.... Therefor a lower price of 100 to 200 Euro for 1 booth > > (=2,5m2, with 1 table and 1or2chairs). > > Bigger booths are just a multiply (perhaps this is too much, but I'm not > > sure) > > > > Futher, the booth people need to know the exact price of a PC (I think this > > is correct on the wiki), then we need to know the extra money for the > > internet connection, projector and small conference room. > > > > So the total sum for a 2,5m2 booth is then (my proposal): 100 (200max) Euro > > + entry ticket (=200 Euro(perhaps less, if we've a new calculation on > > friday)) + extra's. And extra's are : PC; internet connection, projector, > > conference room, .... (perhaps we need to add assurance fee?) > > > > I don't know, but I think the above is reasonable for companies. (Of course > , > > this isn't much for IBM, etc, but that are not the companies we have among > > us, do we :-) ) > > I think you are seriously underestimating the value of > a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover > the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material > and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for > three days and two nights. You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths. Then you must not charge less than it costs. That is a given. > > Even though we are not in this for the money, the booth > fees provide us with one of the very few ways to raise > upfront money to leverage risk and secure the budget. But businesses are not amateurs. Thus when I pay 700 EUR for a booth I am saying that I am getting more than 700 EUR worth of publicity, advertising, and eyeballs. This is not measured in blue-sky, what-if, I have a good feeling, whatever my neighborus did I can do as well, sort of hobbyist thinking -- this is what a Marketing department does professionally. I went to my Managing Director (what Americans call CEOs), to ask him what the AB Strakt Marketting Department thinks a hacker eyeball is worth. .50 - 1 Euro. We are willing to pay some more for publicity, but not one hell of a lot, because we think that in the hacker community we are already pretty well known. If you charge much more than Tom says then AB Strakt would rather not have a booth. It is not profitable for us. Now, if you have lots of businesses out there who think that hacker eyeballs are worth lots more money, or to be listed as a EuroPython sponsor (which was one heck of a lot more valuable in February than now, by the way, and getting worth less and less every minute), then by all means charge what those businesses think it is worth. But I don't see them. SecretLabs with Pythonworks Pro and Wing IDE are candidates who might spent a huge amount to show their IDEs to hackers, but as far as one can tell anything with a Wiki they aren't even interested. They may not even know it is available. Laura Creighton From guido@python.org Mon May 6 13:50:54 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 08:50:54 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 14:36:46 +0200." <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Have you guys approached O'Reilly yet as a sponsor? They often sponsor events like this, to a serious tune -- hacker eyeballs are worth a lot to them! Contact: Betsy Waliszewski Also, a local computer bookstore might be interested in having a bookstand to sell books to hackers. Maybe the two ideas can work together. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Mon May 6 13:51:55 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 14:51:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1020689515.3cd67c6b06c50@webmail.in-berlin.de> Guido van Rossum : > Have you guys approached O'Reilly yet as a sponsor? They often > sponsor events like this, to a serious tune -- hacker eyeballs are > worth a lot to them! Contact: Betsy Waliszewski Having translated some ORA books I did (someone in UK where they feel responsible for Belgium, too). They are not interested, obviously because the event is too much of a small scale one... > Also, a local computer bookstore might be interested in having a > bookstand to sell books to hackers. Maybe the two ideas can work > together. AFAIK, there will be one, but not in order to sponsor, only in order to generate more of a bazzaar feeling... (and sell books) Tom and Denis should know more. Dinu From Tom Deprez" <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Well, I've contacted (while back): New Riders Sams Publishing IDG And I received the following responses: Sams Publishing: We get some give-away books. New Riders: Can't be at the conference, but would like to distribute flyers/brochures. According to the great information Laura provided me, I've contacted them again for the price settling (this was thurday, and untill now, no response) IDG: No respons. I think Dinu (correct?) had contact with O'Reilly and we forwarded this information to Denis, who made contact with these people. These people asked for a booth to sell books (with a reduction fee for the conference) Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido van Rossum" To: Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Budget team > Have you guys approached O'Reilly yet as a sponsor? They often > sponsor events like this, to a serious tune -- hacker eyeballs are > worth a lot to them! Contact: Betsy Waliszewski > > Also, a local computer bookstore might be interested in having a > bookstand to sell books to hackers. Maybe the two ideas can work > together. > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From guido@python.org Mon May 6 14:07:20 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 09:07:20 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 06 May 2002 14:57:02 +0200." <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <200205061307.g46D7Ku04639@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> FYI, I've now asked Betsy on you guys' behalf. I've met her personally a few times so who knows. --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From Tom Deprez" <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <200205061250.g46Cosc04398@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <022501c1f4fd$847aad20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <200205061307.g46D7Ku04639@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <024101c1f4ff$2fed1930$1e71a8c0@u10136> Woow, nice. Thanks Guido Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido van Rossum" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Budget team > FYI, I've now asked Betsy on you guys' behalf. I've met her > personally a few times so who knows. > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 6 14:53:40 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:53:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com> Laura Creighton wrote: >>I think you are seriously underestimating the value of >>a booth here. Note that the costs for the booth must cover >>the extra charges we have for security, insurance, material >>and organization. I doubt that EUR 200 would cover these for >>three days and two nights. > > > You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths. Then you > must not charge less than it costs. That is a given. Certainly. >>Even though we are not in this for the money, the booth >>fees provide us with one of the very few ways to raise >>upfront money to leverage risk and secure the budget. > > > But businesses are not amateurs. Thus when I pay 700 EUR for a booth > I am saying that I am getting more than 700 EUR worth of publicity, > advertising, and eyeballs. This is not measured in blue-sky, what-if, > I have a good feeling, whatever my neighborus did I can do as well, sort > of hobbyist thinking -- this is what a Marketing department does > professionally. > > I went to my Managing Director (what Americans call CEOs), to ask him > what the AB Strakt Marketting Department thinks a hacker eyeball is > worth. .50 - 1 Euro. We are willing to pay some more for publicity, > but not one hell of a lot, because we think that in the hacker community > we are already pretty well known. If that's so, then we might as well drop the whole idea and save us a lot of hassles (getting insurance, guards, etc.). At EUR 200 per booth this simply doesn't work out and is too much of a risk to take: I don't know if anyone of you has revisited the spreadsheet published by Nicolas on the budget team wiki page. Looking at that spreadsheet, he estimates the costs at EUR 65.000,00 and his cost estimates seem very reasonable. Note that he estimates the number of attendees at 425 total, which I think is a bit high (this includes 125 non-paying attendees). Taking those estimates as basis, and using the current fee structure, the break even is somewhere at 300-350 paying attendees. 5 booths at EUR 200 each would probably generate around EUR 900 of net income -- the same as 5 paying attendees... it's probably easier to another 5 visitors than to put much work into getting companies to pay for booths :-/ -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From lac@strakt.com Mon May 6 15:07:59 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:07:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" of "Mon, 06 May 2002 15:53:40 +0200." <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200205061407.g46E7xjX014237@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > M.-A. Lemburg: > 5 booths at EUR 200 each would probably generate around EUR 900 > of net income -- the same as 5 paying attendees... it's > probably easier to another 5 visitors than to put much work > into getting companies to pay for booths :-/ That is my analysis also. However, I find the possibility of getting hackers to pay for X number of internet connections in a room so that they can download the stuff they forgot at home onto their laptops and have spontaneous collaborations much more likely. Ditto with a public-use laser printer. Laura From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 6 15:33:21 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 16:33:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <3CD68AE4.3060401@lemburg.com> <200205061407.g46E7xjX014237@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <3CD69431.69CA9945@lemburg.com> Laura Creighton wrote: > > > M.-A. Lemburg: > > 5 booths at EUR 200 each would probably generate around EUR 900 > > of net income -- the same as 5 paying attendees... it's > > probably easier to another 5 visitors than to put much work > > into getting companies to pay for booths :-/ > > That is my analysis also. However, I find the possibility of getting > hackers to pay for X number of internet connections in a room so that > they can download the stuff they forgot at home onto their laptops and > have spontaneous collaborations much more likely. Ditto with a > public-use laser printer. Sorry, but you lost me there :-) What does setting up internet connections have to do with setting up booths ? The more we head towards the event, the more I get the feeling that we should have contracted a professional conference organizer for this. There's so much work to do and so little active work input from volunteers that the conference is likely to head into chaos. I just want to make sure that we're not stearing into financial chaos as well. My feeling is that all extra services (like e.g. Internet connection) should be provided by hired local service providers. Same for food, entrance monitoring, registration, cleaning, etc. There's simply just so much you can expect from a conference which is being organized by less than 10 active individuals... if nobody wants to help, we'll simply have to raise the entrance fees ! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" The Chat is within a few minutes... Tom. From denis@aragne.com Mon May 6 16:05:24 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 17:05:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:36:46PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > > >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... > > > > You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths. Then you > must not charge less than it costs. That is a given. That's why I think we can't go far under the prices proposed in the Wiki. What's 700 EUR for a company like Strakt ? One day work for a junior ? How would you estimate the time I'm spending in that organisation ? 700 EUR is still peanuts. I've been able to find a sponsor at 800 EUR for a booth and the bank se guys will help us with the logistic too. The Dexia Bank will give 2000 EUR for a 1000 EUR expense. That's sponsoring. If you can't take a risk, take no booth. But you'll perhaps miss a European guy who could led to a 600.000 EUR project. I'm going home for the IRC (I'll be there in a quarter). Here my Inet connection is awfull today. See you on the chat. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From andrewdsmart@hotmail.com Mon May 6 16:06:50 2002 From: andrewdsmart@hotmail.com (Andrew Smart) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 15:06:50 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00 Message-ID: Can anyone give me a information how to join over a web based interface? I have currently no access throu the firewall. Regards, Andrew From: "M.-A. 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As discussed in the last IRC meeting we will have these meetings every Monday at UTC 15:00 (that's 17:00 CEST). The meeting is held at irc.openprojects.net in the #europython channel. The agenda is at: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython _________________________________________________________________ Senden und empfangen Sie Hotmail über Ihr Mobilgerät: http://mobile.msn.com From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <036201c1f513$d53d1b60$1e71a8c0@u10136> Andrew, I'm sorry, don't know.... What about a search for Java applat and IRC Cha= t? Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Smart" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00 > > Can anyone give me a information how to join over a web based interface= ? I > have currently no access throu the firewall. > > Regards, > Andrew > > > > From: "M.-A. Lemburg" > To: EuroPython Mailing List > Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00 > Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:29:03 +0200 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Received: from smtp01ffm.de.uu.net (smtp01ffm.de.uu.net [192.76.144.150])by > elch.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA28120for > ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:30:08 +0200 (MET DS= T) > Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [63.102.49.29])by > smtp01ffm.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA18670for > ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:30:06 +0200 (MET DS= T) > Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=3Dmail.python.or= g)by > mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.02)id 174dsg-0000VR-00; Mon, 06 May 2002 > 04:30:03 -0400 > Received: from exim by mail.python.org with spamc (Exim 4.02)id > 174dsF-0000V4-00for europython@python.org; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:29:35 -0= 400 > Received: from ns.egenix.com ([217.115.138.139] helo=3Dwww.egenix.com)b= y > mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.02)id 174dsE-0000Ti-00for > europython@python.org; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:29:34 -0400 > Received: from lemburg.com (www.egenix.com [217.115.138.139])by > www.egenix.com (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) with ESMTP id > g468T3s04721;Mon, 6 May 2002 10:29:03 +0200 > Return-path: europython-admin@python.org > X-pop3-spooler: POP3MAIL 2.3.0 b 9 990908 -sim- > Return-Path: > Message-ID: <3CD63ECF.2040703@lemburg.com> > Organization: eGenix.com Software GmbH > User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.0rc1) > Gecko/20020417 > X-Accept-Language: en-us, en > X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3D-1.0 required=3D5.0 tests=3DBODY_PYTHON_ZOPE > version=3D2.11 > Sender: europython-admin@python.org > Errors-To: europython-admin@python.org > X-BeenThere: europython@python.org > X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.10 (101270) > Precedence: bulk > List-Help: > List-Post: > List-Subscribe: > , > List-Id: European Python community mailing list > List-Unsubscribe: > , > List-Archive: > > This is a reminder about today's EuroPython IRC meeting. > As discussed in the last IRC meeting we will have these > meetings every Monday at UTC 15:00 (that's 17:00 CEST). > > The meeting is held at irc.openprojects.net in the #europython > channel. > > The agenda is at: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Senden und empfangen Sie Hotmail =FCber Ihr Mobilger=E4t: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <036201c1f513$d53d1b60$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <037e01c1f514$a20d82b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Chatzilla could be a solution... don't ask me what it is. Godefroid uses = it. tom. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Andrew Smart" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:06 PM > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00 > > > > > > Can anyone give me a information how to join over a web based interfa= ce? I > > have currently no access throu the firewall. > > > > Regards, > > Andrew > > > > > > > > From: "M.-A. Lemburg" > > To: EuroPython Mailing List > > Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder: IRC meeting today at UTC 15:00 > > Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 10:29:03 +0200 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Received: from smtp01ffm.de.uu.net (smtp01ffm.de.uu.net > [192.76.144.150])by > > elch.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA28120for > > ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:30:08 +0200 (MET DST) > > Received: from mail.python.org (mail.python.org [63.102.49.29])by > > smtp01ffm.de.uu.net (5.5.5/5.5.5) with ESMTP id KAA18670for > > ; Mon, 6 May 2002 10:30:06 +0200 (MET DST) > > Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=3Dmail.python.org)by > > mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.02)id 174dsg-0000VR-00; Mon, 06 Ma= y > 2002 > > 04:30:03 -0400 > > Received: from exim by mail.python.org with spamc (Exim 4.02)id > > 174dsF-0000V4-00for europython@python.org; Mon, 06 May 2002 04:29:35 -0400 > > Received: from ns.egenix.com ([217.115.138.139] helo=3Dwww.egenix.com= )by > > mail.python.org with esmtp (Exim 4.02)id 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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?= of "Mon, 06 May 2002 17:05:24 +0200." <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net> Message-ID: <200205061616.g46GGbjX014737@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Le Mon, May 06, 2002 at 02:36:46PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > > > >> How much our exhibitors would think a booth is worth ? ... > > > > > > You must accurately measure the costs of providing booths. Then you > > must not charge less than it costs. That is a given. > > That's why I think we can't go far under the prices proposed in the > Wiki. > > What's 700 EUR for a company like Strakt ? One day work for a junior ? > How would you estimate the time I'm spending in that organisation ? > 700 EUR is still peanuts. > > I've been able to find a sponsor at 800 EUR for a booth and the bank > se guys will help us with the logistic too. The Dexia Bank will give > 2000 EUR for a 1000 EUR expense. That's sponsoring. > If you can't take a risk, take no booth. But you'll perhaps miss a > European guy who could led to a 600.000 EUR project. > > I'm going home for the IRC (I'll be there in a quarter). Here my Inet > connection is awfull today. > > See you on the chat. > > Denis > > -- > Denis FRERE > P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org > OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org > Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com You didn't listen the first, or the second time, I said this, so now I have to say this again: AB Strakt is not a charity. 700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely an unprofitable business proposition at the valuation of .50 to 1.00 Euros a head for hackers. You appear to be confusing 'cash for access' -- the deal I was interested in, with 'cash for the sake of spending cash' or 'cash for a worthy cause' or some such. If you are suggesting that our valuation is wrong, and needs significant adjusting upwards because you can provide better eyeballs, then get on with your pitch. There are thousands of business opportunities every day, and selecting the correct ones is what people like myself do for a living. You are not marketing your conference as a place where one can meet the people who do 600.000 deals. I was trying to _make_ this conference such a place a long time ago, and was basically told that this was to be an amateur conference, of hackers, for hackers. This is fine, but hackers don't, in general, make 600.000 deals. If there is anybody besides Andy Robinson, Paul Everitt, and I who do this sort of thing regularily coming, then I missed them. Perhaps, therefore, I have mispriced you. But if the basis of your calculation is 'well, anybody could _possibly_ lead to a large deal' -- then the business community already knows how to price such possibilities, and the industry standard rate for our type of business is '1 hacker - 0.50 Euros'. Demonstrate that I am more likely to make a 600.000 Euro sale at your conference than any bar in Charleroi if you want me to pay more than the ~200 Euros I think you are worth to me. This is a routine business decision, not Wheel-Of-Fortune. Laura From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 6 18:44:55 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 06 May 2002 19:44:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting summary Message-ID: <3CD6C117.A8860FB4@lemburg.com> Here's the IRC meeting summary: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay6 Next meeting is Monday next week (2002-05-13), 15:00 UTC. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From denis@aragne.com Mon May 6 19:57:59 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 20:57:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: <200205061616.g46GGbjX014737@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <20020506054558.K32106@carolo.net> <005301c1f4d9$5e7ee6a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD66169.9050801@lemburg.com> <200205061236.g46CakjX013825@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20020506170524.A5993@carolo.net> <200205061616.g46GGbjX014737@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020506205759.O32106@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 06, 2002 at 06:16:37PM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > > You didn't listen the first, or the second time, I said this, so > now I have to say this again: > > AB Strakt is not a charity. 700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely > an unprofitable business proposition Then, don't take a booth. I'm investing hours and hours in this conference. Because I think it's a good investment *and* because I do believe Python is much more than a business opportunity. Would you check my count knowing that I've refused/postponed work (800 EUR/day) so that I have some free time for the conference ? I already said things too : I'm not a conference organizer. I don't do it for (direct) profit. I'm not willing to sell you a booth. I don't try to make you wasting your money. If it's unprofitable, don't do it. If it's less than what we said, it's unprofitable for us and we won't do it. What I do know, though, is this : I've made such a fuss with the conference here that, this afternoon, I got a phone call from the cabinet of our regional Minister-President (yes, he's called so). Now, they all know about Python *and* free-software. I told them we're a strong community and now they want to see it. I really don't mind how expensive it can be, I want to show them that free-software and especially Python can do miracles. Isn't it what you want to prove with the sprint-solving-problems-sessions ? Why don't you prove it on the web, helping with the website, setting up a exhibitors registration form or scripting a beautifull Gnumeric budget-spreadsheet with Python ? You don't care about a little Belgian regional President ? The ASWAD project will be there to with European Commissioners. Isn't it enough ? Then, bring your own potential clients in your suitcases. I managed to get a free 4000 businesses mailing for our conference ; do the same in your area and you will help the whole community in the same time you're helping yourself. Sorry to present a rude face, I'm _really_ looking forward to meet you. Denis "You may say I'm a dreamer ..." (John Lennon) -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From andy@reportlab.com Mon May 6 22:03:14 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:03:14 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <3CD5A332.78B63FC1@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone > who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online > registration data + the conference speaker data for printing > them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with > a printer and appropriate software for doing the same > in real-time. > Catching up after 3 days off... I think that's Reportlab's territory. I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields will be in it, and we'll make sure that badges can be formatted fast. If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let registered users design their own. Also let them fill in stuff about themselves, and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and talk synopses etc. which people download and print beforehand - which saves the conference money on printing. We can host a bunch of wizards on www.reportlab.com which the EuroPython site can link to. Unfortunately ANY such project has to start with sample data; could whoever will be assembling the records of people who signed up, or structuring the timetables, mail me and we'll get to work on it? Physically we'll need the plastic thingies and perforated sheets and a deskjet or two. I will be flying in alone and cannot carry too much hardware. - Andy From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <022701c1f543$5ac9c0b0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > > PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone > > who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online > > registration data + the conference speaker data for printing > > them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with > > a printer and appropriate software for doing the same > > in real-time. > > > > Catching up after 3 days off... I think that's Reportlab's > territory. Great! > I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields will be in it, and we'll make sure that badges can be formatted fast. Mmm, the data will be on several places... ShareIt, EuroZope (if we can finish it) and hopefully SWIFT payment. So we should create our own database. I can do that on the EuroPython site, we only need to decide which information we need. And we need people to put the information in the database. >If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let registered users design their own. Also let them fill in stuff about themselves, That's difficult, this would be only possible if we can manage the EuroZope payment, since that is the only solution where people fill in data. With VISA people pay through ShareIT and with SWIFT people pay through there bank. >and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and talk synopses etc. which people download and print beforehand - > which saves the conference money on printing. Good idea! > We can host a bunch of wizards on www.reportlab.com which the EuroPython site can link to. Yup, let's do it. > Unfortunately ANY such project has to start with sample data; could whoever will be assembling the records of people who signed up, or structuring the timetables, mail me and we'll get to work on it? I do now :-). Nothing decided yet concerning the fields in records. Timetables is something different, since they aren't ready yet. > Physically we'll need the plastic thingies and perforated sheets and a deskjet or two. I will be flying in alone and cannot carry too much hardware. Over to Denis :-) Regards, Tom. From andy@reportlab.com Mon May 6 22:23:31 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:23:31 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Obscenely cheap flights to Charleroi..... Message-ID: Ryanair just quoted me GBP 0.35 for the flight out (!), and GBP 8.00 for the return. Even with taxes the return journey from Stansted to Charleroi is about 30 Euros. If flying from other parts of Europe on a budget, strongly consider taking one of the budget airlines (www.ryanair.com, www.easyjet.com, www.go-fly.com) to Stansted and out to Charleroi. This would cover about 30 locations in Europe... And if the organisers are paying for Guido or others from the USA, consider staging through London.... Enjoy Andy Robinson From andy@reportlab.com Mon May 6 22:29:07 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 22:29:07 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges In-Reply-To: <022701c1f543$5ac9c0b0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > > I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields will > be in it, and we'll make sure that badges can be formatted fast. > > Mmm, the data will be on several places... ShareIt, EuroZope (if we can > finish it) and hopefully SWIFT payment. > So we should create our own database. I can do that on the > EuroPython site, > we only need to decide which information we need. My main worry is that my team and I know next to nothing about Zope. But ReportLab have a very fast MySQL database hosted behind our web site - five of them in fact - and all our tools are already installed on www.reportlab.com. I suggest the minimum work solution is for us to create a database, and grant access to anyone involved. Rather than making web input forms, we can use ODBC so anyone with a Windoze box can just paste stuff into Access and it's there, or review it. Likewise there are many MySQL admin GUIs. We can make some fake test records and start work before real data arrives. If this is OK, say so and I will set it up tonight.... > >If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let > registered users design their own. Also let them fill in stuff about > themselves, > > That's difficult, this would be only possible if we can manage > the EuroZope > payment, since that is the only solution where people fill in data. > With VISA people pay through ShareIT and with SWIFT people pay > through there > bank. > > >and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and > talk synopses > etc. which people download and print beforehand - > > which saves the conference money on printing. > > Good idea! This is an idea for a promo I have long wanted to do - everyone at Seybold, XML-One or whatever (which I could never afford to attend) gets a 'conference pack' in real time generated by ReportLab! the back of the pack wwould have a discrete 'how we made this' article too :-) - Andy From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <033001c1f547$97836b60$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > > > I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and what fields will > > be in it, and we'll make sure that badges can be formatted fast. > > > > Mmm, the data will be on several places... ShareIt, EuroZope (if we can > > finish it) and hopefully SWIFT payment. > > So we should create our own database. I can do that on the > > EuroPython site, > > we only need to decide which information we need. > > My main worry is that my team and I know next to > nothing about Zope. But ReportLab have a very fast > MySQL database hosted behind our web site - five of them > in fact - and all our tools are already installed on > www.reportlab.com. I suggest the minimum work solution > is for us to create a database, and grant access to anyone > involved. Rather than making web input forms, we > can use ODBC so anyone with a Windoze box can just > paste stuff into Access and it's there, or review it. > Likewise there are many MySQL admin GUIs. We can > make some fake test records and start work before > real data arrives. If this is OK, say so and I will > set it up tonight.... It's ok for me. And I think the easiest for you too. > > >If whoever is running the site wants to do the work, we could let > > registered users design their own. Also let them fill in stuff about > > themselves, > > > > That's difficult, this would be only possible if we can manage > > the EuroZope > > payment, since that is the only solution where people fill in data. > > With VISA people pay through ShareIT and with SWIFT people pay > > through there > > bank. > > > > >and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and > > talk synopses > > etc. which people download and print beforehand - > > > which saves the conference money on printing. > > > > Good idea! > > This is an idea for a promo I have long wanted to do > - everyone at Seybold, XML-One or whatever (which I > could never afford to attend) gets a 'conference > pack' in real time generated by ReportLab! the back of > the pack wwould have a discrete 'how we made this' > article too :-) Of course :-) Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi, Time Schedule is now updated to reflect the new changes. (there are still some changes possible) Contact page is added. (I realised that this wasn't available on the website, too bad!). I'll add some other contact information on that page soon. When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-) Godefroid: Sorry, I sticked with the gradient colors. Plain colors weren't that nice. If more people don't like the gradient, then I'll remove it. Regards, Tom. From andy@reportlab.com Mon May 6 23:20:47 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:20:47 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: <20020506205759.O32106@carolo.net> Message-ID: > > AB Strakt is not a charity. 700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely > > an unprofitable business proposition > > Then, don't take a booth. I hate to say it but I cannot see the booth market making a fortune for anyone. Also, Reportlab will not be taking one at any price. Here's why: I'd have to bring a colleague to staff it, which will leave only 1/3 of our team on duty, delay us on projects and cost us money back home quite apart from the extra flights, hotels etc. But if I did, I would be happy with a plain table and a board to pin brochures one for 200 Euros, accepting the risk of them being stolen overnight etc., rather than anything more impressive with connections, hardware and security. I suggest you do something simple and save yourself work. If someone will pay more, offer them a full page in the conference program. Since we will let everyone pull down their PDF program themselves, printing could be pretty cheap :-) - Andy From andy@reportlab.com Mon May 6 23:33:43 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 23:33:43 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite In-Reply-To: <036d01c1f54c$35ef0120$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we > good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-) I set up the MySQL database. Anyone who might want to put stuff in it, email me directly and I'll send back a password and connect details. We should rehearse connecting ASAP. Since the data will be pretty important once we start to populate it, maybe someone in a different country with mysql experience could volunteer to run a one-line backup command each night? Thanks, Andy From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <03a401c1f558$17518470$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > > When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we > > good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-) > > I set up the MySQL database. Anyone who might want to put stuff > in it, email me directly and I'll send back a password and > connect details. We should rehearse connecting ASAP. I can help. Send me the password and connect details tomorrow evening. Now, I'm of to bed. > Since the data will be pretty important once we start to populate > it, maybe someone in a different country with mysql experience > could volunteer to run a one-line backup command each night? Sorry, not that much administrator MySQL knowledge. So I can't help you with an on-line backup. Sorry. ps. Thinking on again on the previous emails: the SQL database used in conjunction with EuroPython is PostGresSQL. Just to let you know that you don't need Zope knowledge to connect, since it is just a Postgressql database. Tom > Thanks, > > Andy > From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 08:15:24 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:15:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment, taxes, accounting, badges References: Message-ID: <3CD77F0C.B50FD624@lemburg.com> Andy Robinson wrote: > > > PS: The subject line also includes "badges" -- is there anyone > > who can take care of printing badges ? We can use the online > > registration data + the conference speaker data for printing > > them upfront and will have to provide the reg. desk with > > a printer and appropriate software for doing the same > > in real-time. > > > > Catching up after 3 days off... I think that's Reportlab's > territory. > > I do need to know fast where the 'database' will be and > what fields will be in it, and we'll make sure that > badges can be formatted fast. If whoever is running the > site wants to do the work, we could let registered users > design their own. Also let them fill in stuff about themselves, > and format a whole conference info pack with timetables and > talk synopses etc. which people download and print beforehand - > which saves the conference money on printing. We can > host a bunch of wizards on www.reportlab.com which the > EuroPython site can link to. Please don't make things to complicated -- the badge will only have to carry the name, company and the EuroPython logo + conference headline. > Unfortunately ANY such project has to start with sample > data; could whoever will be assembling the records of > people who signed up, or structuring the timetables, > mail me and we'll get to work on it? > > Physically we'll need the plastic thingies and perforated > sheets and a deskjet or two. I will be flying in alone > and cannot carry too much hardware. Could you setup a ConferenceRegistration page with this information ? We need to know how many PCs, printers, etc. we need ourselves. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 08:17:10 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:17:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Obscenely cheap flights to Charleroi..... References: Message-ID: <3CD77F76.80CE9D0C@lemburg.com> This information should probably go on the travel web-site page. Thanks for digging it up, Andy. Andy Robinson wrote: > > Ryanair just quoted me GBP 0.35 for the flight out (!), > and GBP 8.00 for the return. Even with taxes the return > journey from Stansted to Charleroi is about 30 Euros. > > If flying from other parts of Europe on a budget, > strongly consider taking one of the budget airlines > (www.ryanair.com, www.easyjet.com, www.go-fly.com) > to Stansted and out to Charleroi. This would cover > about 30 locations in Europe... > > And if the organisers are paying for Guido or others > from the USA, consider staging through London.... > > Enjoy > Andy Robinson > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 08:20:02 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:20:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet Message-ID: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> I've updated the budget Excel sheet to what we know up to date: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_02.xls To view it, you can use the free MS Excel viewer or a tool like StarOffice which supports the XLS file format. I still have some questions about it though: * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ??? Still missing are: * Costs for insurance * More exact estimates for traveling costs of invited speakers * Costs for renting PCs etc. for use at the registration desk Note that we are running a tight budget here... any unexpected costs can easily cause a dept ! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 08:28:41 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:28:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team References: Message-ID: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> Andy Robinson wrote: > > > > AB Strakt is not a charity. 700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely > > > an unprofitable business proposition > > > > Then, don't take a booth. > > I hate to say it but I cannot see the booth market > making a fortune for anyone. Also, Reportlab will > not be taking one at any price. Ok, I've taken Strakt and ReportLab off the exhibitors page. This leaves three interested parties. http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors Now that we have fixed the pricing (EUR 700 for 4m2 space, table, chair and one full entry; EUR 1200 for 8m2), I think it's a good time to approach these candidates and maybe some others as well. The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please let me know if that should change. Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how many people have registered interest on the web site so far. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 09:20:36 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:20:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al. Message-ID: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths. Here's what I found: Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance for the booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed costs for being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for accounting, writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that and you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00. At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break even we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will add only to the debt. Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get 5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From gotcha@swing.be Tue May 7 09:38:41 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 10:38:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al. In-Reply-To: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507103807.00a7f2a8@pop.swing.be> At 10:20 7/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths. >Here's what I found: > >Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance for the >booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed costs for >being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for accounting, >writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that and >you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00. > >At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break even >we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will add >only to the debt. > >Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get >5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea. Totally agree on this point >-- >Marc-Andre Lemburg >CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH >______________________________________________________________________ -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 10:20:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 11:20:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track Message-ID: <3CD79C67.7CC78A65@lemburg.com> I've dicussed this with Tim and we are OK now for moving the Web Services Track to day 2 PM. We'll have three 45 minute talks, so need both slots. We still want to keep a session on day 3 for the "Business BoF" discussion. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I've updated the budget Excel sheet to what we know up to date: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_02.xls > > To view it, you can use the free MS Excel viewer or a tool > like StarOffice which supports the XLS file format. > > I still have some questions about it though: > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ??? CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming? Bus picking was an idea to let everyone pick up by bus on the mornings and bring them back at the evenings. ie. A bus would travel once in the morning once in the evening to/from the congress passing all the hotels. I think you can remove this option now. > Still missing are: > * Costs for insurance > * More exact estimates for traveling costs of invited speakers > * Costs for renting PCs etc. for use at the registration desk > > Note that we are running a tight budget here... any unexpected > costs can easily cause a dept ! > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CD77F0C.B50FD624@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00ec01c1f5b1$1e3dfd00$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Please don't make things to complicated -- the badge > will only have to carry the name, company and the > EuroPython logo + conference headline. If we create the database in such a way that also the registration information is included, then we can use that list for the congress entry as well, therefor we should add some extra information for what the patient payed : student, normal fee, etc. I don't think it would be wise to set up another database for hendling this information... Tom. From Tom Deprez" <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Andy Robinson wrote: > > > > > > AB Strakt is not a charity. 700 Euros is not a 'risk' for us, merely > > > > an unprofitable business proposition > > > > > > Then, don't take a booth. > > > > I hate to say it but I cannot see the booth market > > making a fortune for anyone. Also, Reportlab will > > not be taking one at any price. > > Ok, I've taken Strakt and ReportLab off the exhibitors page. > This leaves three interested parties. > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors > > Now that we have fixed the pricing (EUR 700 for 4m2 space, > table, chair and one full entry; EUR 1200 for 8m2), > I think it's a good time to approach these candidates and > maybe some others as well. Ok. But you could still sell a simple table with a chair.... with another price tag. The company can then use it to display eg a poster and put some flyers on it, but nothing else. Nothing else will be included etc, eg theft etc.... It is just the bare minimum (just like Andy proposes). I don't take that this takes extra administratif work and it brings cash, although little. > The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please > let me know if that should change. > > Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how > many people have registered interest on the web site so far. Can't follow. The contact page is just created, so I don't think people have responded to that already. Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <011601c1f5b1$f2fd5630$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths. > Here's what I found: > > Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance for the > booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed costs for > being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for accounting, > writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that and > you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00. > > At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break even > we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will add > only to the debt. > > Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get > 5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea. Or drop the idea of assurrance, guards, ... and just give a table and chair.... without anything else.... Tom. From tim@2wave.net Tue May 7 11:38:54 2002 From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 11:38:54 +0100 (BST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. In-Reply-To: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020507103854.42205.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Marc I think you're right about the risk assessment. We do need a cutoff date assigned soon to be able to progress either way. If you find we don't get the 5 we need, an alternative could be for us to provide table space for companies who would like to display brochures or other material at a "Python Market". Our responsibility would be to merely provide tables and space; we would not be responsible for the safety of any literature or any other items left there, nor for the provision of power and lighting. However, if those tables were located in the same place as the hostesses are, they would be a natural presence to keep an eye on the material against obvious vandalism. Such brochure/meeting space could be sold at say 100 Euros for the duration of the conference. This would be a figure that firms might feel it worth to have a place where their wares can be displayed and a natural place for them to meet with prospective business partners. Just a thought... Tim --- "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > I've revisited the budget calculation w/r to booths. > Here's what I found: > > Given that we have to hire guards and get insurance > for the > booths, we'll have at least EUR 2.000,00 in fixed > costs for > being able to provide booths. Add the overhead for > accounting, > writing invoices, payment costs, etc. on top of that > and > you're probably at a figure around EUR 2.500,00. > > At EUR 700 per booth this means that just to break > even > we need at least 5 paying booths. Anything less will > add > only to the debt. > > Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get > 5 confirmed booths soon or we drop the whole idea. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: > http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 11:43:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:43:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > I've updated the budget Excel sheet to what we know up to date: > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/budget_02.xls > > > > To view it, you can use the free MS Excel viewer or a tool > > like StarOffice which supports the XLS file format. > > > > I still have some questions about it though: > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ??? > > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming? CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi authorities donating money for the conference ? > Bus picking was an idea to let everyone pick up by bus on the mornings and > bring them back at the evenings. > ie. A bus would travel once in the morning once in the evening to/from the > congress passing all the hotels. > I think you can remove this option now. Already done. (BTW, could you send me the login informatio for the EuroPython site, so that I can upload XLS binaries myself ?) > > Still missing are: > > * Costs for insurance > > * More exact estimates for traveling costs of invited speakers > > * Costs for renting PCs etc. for use at the registration desk > > > > Note that we are running a tight budget here... any unexpected > > costs can easily cause a dept ! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 11:50:07 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 12:50:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team References: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Ok, I've taken Strakt and ReportLab off the exhibitors page. > > This leaves three interested parties. > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceExhibitors > > > > Now that we have fixed the pricing (EUR 700 for 4m2 space, > > table, chair and one full entry; EUR 1200 for 8m2), > > I think it's a good time to approach these candidates and > > maybe some others as well. > > Ok. But you could still sell a simple table with a chair.... with another > price tag. > The company can then use it to display eg a poster and put some flyers on > it, but nothing else. > Nothing else will be included etc, eg theft etc.... It is just the bare > minimum (just like Andy proposes). > I don't take that this takes extra administratif work and it brings cash, > although little. We have to make a decision here: a) either all interested parties can rent one of the available tables (for say EUR 100) with nothing else included and no strings attached (e.g. no insurance, no guards, ...) or b) we only have sell booths with strings attached Having both doesn't work -- even with just one booth in category b) we get to keep the full fixed costs for these booths. > > The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please > > let me know if that should change. > > > > Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how > > many people have registered interest on the web site so far. > > Can't follow. > The contact page is just created, so I don't think people have responded to > that already. I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <013401c1f5b5$14d566a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I've dicussed this with Tim and we are OK now for moving the > Web Services Track to day 2 PM. We'll have three 45 minute talks, > so need both slots. Thanks, .... now I have to make the images again :-))) Also good that it takes 2 sessions!!! Since then Day2 PM isn't that empty > We still want to keep a session on day 3 for the "Business BoF" discussion. No prob, there is space for it :-) Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <015c01c1f5b5$d212fcf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Marc > > I think you're right about the risk assessment. We do > need a cutoff date assigned soon to be able to > progress either way. If you find we don't get the 5 we > need, an alternative could be for us to provide table > space for companies who would like to display > brochures or other material at a "Python Market". Our > responsibility would be to merely provide tables and > space; we would not be responsible for the safety of > any literature or any other items left there, nor for > the provision of power and lighting. However, if those > tables were located in the same place as the hostesses > are, they would be a natural presence to keep an eye > on the material against obvious vandalism. Such > brochure/meeting space could be sold at say 100 Euros > for the duration of the conference. Exactly. > This would be a figure that firms might feel it worth > to have a place where their wares can be displayed and > a natural place for them to meet with prospective > business partners. Exactly. > Just a thought... > > Tim > From Tom Deprez" <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > > > > > I still have some questions about it though: > > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ??? > > > > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming? > > CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from > them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi > authorities donating money for the conference ? Ah, could be possible! Denis you know more?! > > Bus picking was an idea to let everyone pick up by bus on the mornings and > > bring them back at the evenings. > > ie. A bus would travel once in the morning once in the evening to/from the > > congress passing all the hotels. > > I think you can remove this option now. > > Already done. (BTW, could you send me the login informatio > for the EuroPython site, so that I can upload XLS binaries > myself ?) Sure, I proposed that to you earlier already. Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 12:02:36 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:02:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. References: <20020507103854.42205.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> <015c01c1f5b5$d212fcf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7B44C.BA51B7AD@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Marc > > > > I think you're right about the risk assessment. We do > > need a cutoff date assigned soon to be able to > > progress either way. If you find we don't get the 5 we > > need, an alternative could be for us to provide table > > space for companies who would like to display > > brochures or other material at a "Python Market". Our > > responsibility would be to merely provide tables and > > space; we would not be responsible for the safety of > > any literature or any other items left there, nor for > > the provision of power and lighting. However, if those > > tables were located in the same place as the hostesses > > are, they would be a natural presence to keep an eye > > on the material against obvious vandalism. Such > > brochure/meeting space could be sold at say 100 Euros > > for the duration of the conference. > > Exactly. > > > This would be a figure that firms might feel it worth > > to have a place where their wares can be displayed and > > a natural place for them to meet with prospective > > business partners. > > Exactly. > > > Just a thought... Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for the "tables with no strings attached" option and put a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them. We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's best for them. We still require signup for the tables, though, since we'll have to organize them. How does that sound ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 12:03:32 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:03:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Moving the web services track References: <3CD79C67.7CC78A65@lemburg.com> <013401c1f5b5$14d566a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7B484.7ED2E732@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > I've dicussed this with Tim and we are OK now for moving the > > Web Services Track to day 2 PM. We'll have three 45 minute talks, > > so need both slots. > > Thanks, .... now I have to make the images again :-))) > Also good that it takes 2 sessions!!! Since then Day2 PM isn't that empty Right. > > We still want to keep a session on day 3 for the "Business BoF" > discussion. > > No prob, there is space for it :-) Great. BTW, who's the BoF manager for day 3? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > > The budget currently includes an estimate of 5 booths. Please > > > let me know if that should change. > > > > > > Also, if that information is available, I'd like to know how > > > many people have registered interest on the web site so far. > > > > Can't follow. > > The contact page is just created, so I don't think people have responded to > > that already. > > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore). Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time ago. You can find the info throught the ZMI. However, here is a summary count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a value of 200 in the 'amount' field. Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 12:35:19 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 13:35:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team References: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been > removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore). > > Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time ago. > You can find the info throught the ZMI. > > However, here is a summary > count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that > amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a value > of 200 in the 'amount' field. So that's 150 people -- not much :-/ -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 7 13:19:42 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:19:42 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Booths et al. In-Reply-To: <011601c1f5b1$f2fd5630$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > > Based on the budget, my conclusion is: either we get > 5 confirmed > booths soon or we drop the whole idea. > > Or drop the idea of assurrance, guards, ... and just give a table and > chair.... without anything else.... Sounds better to me :-) I asked for booths and plan on coming with a couple posters and a laptop. I don't need a guard paid 50 Euros an hour nor insurance. I'll sign the letter stating that EuroPython is not liable for my hardward if that's a condition for me to get a booth. Than a booth can become cheaper and Strakt can have one too :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 7 13:27:14 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:27:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. In-Reply-To: <3CD7B44C.BA51B7AD@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them. > > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's > best for them. > > We still require signup for the tables, though, since > we'll have to organize them. > > How does that sound ? Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-) BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) 1: cf The Fifth Element. From Tom Deprez" <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been > > removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore). > > > > Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time ago. > > You can find the info throught the ZMI. > > > > However, here is a summary > > count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that > > amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a value > > of 200 in the 'amount' field. > > So that's 150 people -- not much :-/ Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more people! Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who can write press-releases? Please..... Tom. From guido@python.org Tue May 7 14:06:27 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 09:06:27 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 07 May 2002 14:43:33 +0200." <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com> <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <200205071306.g47D6Rr08191@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> > Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more > people! > Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who > can write press-releases? You need to send announcements to the standard Python and Zope mailing lists. That's where you get your audience, not through press releases. Recently, a core Python developer in the Netherlands told me he didn't know about EuroPython, so you guys need to get on the job and spread the word in these circles! --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <020d01c1f5c7$54ad38e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Sounds better to me :-) > > I asked for booths and plan on coming with a couple posters and a > laptop. I don't need a guard paid 50 Euros an hour nor insurance. I'll > sign the letter stating that EuroPython is not liable for my hardward if > that's a condition for me to get a booth. > > Than a booth can become cheaper and Strakt can have one too :-) Than I think, nobody can argue concerning the price... In fact, companies should jump on the offer.... See it as a small sponsoring by the companies who want to contribute to the EuroPython initiative.... Who knows how big EuroPython might become in the future... Regards, tom. From gotcha@swing.be Tue May 7 14:04:51 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:04:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Budget team In-Reply-To: <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020507145725.00a7eb18@pop.swing.be> At 14:43 7/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > > > > I meant the online "registration of interest" which seems to have been > > > removed from the web-site (at least I can't find it anymore). > > > > > > Ah, people asked me to remove it. I posted the final result some time >ago. > > > You can find the info throught the ZMI. > > > > > > However, here is a summary > > > count : 99 people made an entry and in total they told us, that > > > amount: 350 people would visit the congress, but somebody entered a >value > > > of 200 in the 'amount' field. > > > > So that's 150 people -- not much :-/ > >Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more >people! >Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who >can write press-releases? Just wanted to tell that it should be enough to resend the press release when the abstracts will be published on the web site... if we do not forget to state that we really need registrations >Please..... > >Tom. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <021901c1f5c7$9ea16980$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for > > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put > > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them. > > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against > > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's > > best for them. > > > > We still require signup for the tables, though, since > > we'll have to organize them. > > > > How does that sound ? > > Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-) > > BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ? Grin, no this base doesn't include an entry fee for one person :-). It's the bottom price. Regards, Tom From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 7 14:06:28 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 15:06:28 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. In-Reply-To: <021901c1f5c7$9ea16980$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > > > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for > > > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put > > > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them. > > > > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against > > > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's > > > best for them. > > > > > > We still require signup for the tables, though, since > > > we'll have to organize them. > > > > > > How does that sound ? > > > > Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-) > > > > BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ? > > Grin, no this base doesn't include an entry fee for one person :-). It's the > bottom price. I knew it ;-). Now, where do I sign and who should I send the money to? P3B? Fine, give me the account number and swift code please. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 14:37:00 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:37:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] RFV: Next round of press releases References: <3CD78229.28BED798@lemburg.com> <00f701c1f5b1$ab3e7c20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7B15F.3F4DCF60@lemburg.com> <017201c1f5b6$e4623960$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7BBF7.3D83625D@lemburg.com> <01f801c1f5c4$ccb5b4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <200205071306.g47D6Rr08191@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Message-ID: <3CD7D87C.EC9C3A93@lemburg.com> (RFV = request for volunteers) Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > Correct, therefor we need to make more advertisement! We need to reach more > > people! > > Are there people who can reach a vast group of people? Or there persons who > > can write press-releases? > > You need to send announcements to the standard Python and Zope mailing > lists. That's where you get your audience, not through press > releases. Recently, a core Python developer in the Netherlands told > me he didn't know about EuroPython, so you guys need to get on the job > and spread the word in these circles! Right. Note that when we talk about press releases, the mailing lists are included in the list of targets: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress It would be a good idea, however, to include all the known local Python mailing lists, such as the UK one, the German one, the Italian one, etc. I've added a few meta-links for mailing lists to the top of that wiki page. RFV: Could someone please extract the mailto: links for the mailing lists and forums mentioned on those meta pages to the wiki ?! Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 14:52:44 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 15:52:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. References: <021901c1f5c7$9ea16980$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7DC2C.7BFAE6F1@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > Ok, reading the responses it seems that we should go for > > > the "tables with no strings attached" option and put > > > a price tag of EUR 100 on each of them. > > > > We will then drop the guards and extra insurance against > > > theft and leave it up to the exhibitors to decide what's > > > best for them. > > > > > > We still require signup for the tables, though, since > > > we'll have to organize them. > > > > > > How does that sound ? > > > > Much better Aziz[1]. I want one, where do I sign :-) > > > > BTW, I don't suppose it includes the entry fee for one person ? > > Grin, no this base doesn't include an entry fee for one person :-). It's the > bottom price. Tom, could you update the ConferenceExhibitors wiki page accordingly ?! Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From lac@strakt.com Tue May 7 15:08:26 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 16:08:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Chauvat of "Tue, 07 May 2002 15:06:28 +0200." References: Message-ID: <200205071408.g47E8QjX019218@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> >> I knew it ;-). Now, where do I sign and who should I send the money > to? P3B? Fine, give me the account number and swift code please. > = > -- = > Nicolas Chauvat > = > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris= (France Me too, please. Laura Creighton= From Tom Deprez" <200205071408.g47E8QjX019218@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <038d01c1f5d4$dd1c8430$1e71a8c0@u10136> Wait, wait. Sorry to spoil the fun for a moment :-) We still need to know about the other companies who already agreed to pay 800 EUR... Denis arranged it with these people, so before we offer the other price settings. eg a minimum booth I would like to know if Denis agrees on this and the people who already took a booth.... These people already engaged = in hiring a booth and we should first figure out how it works out for them. Denis, can you give your opinion? Taking into account the new calculation= s of Marc-Andre and the costs for handling full installed booths, etc? Thinking of it, are there companies (on this list) willing to sponsor the congress for a certain amount? Just sponsoring, like Dexia, etc... Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laura Creighton" To: "Nicolas Chauvat" Cc: "Tom Deprez" ; "M.-A. Lemburg" ; ; "EuroPython Mailing List" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. > >> I knew it ;-). Now, where do I sign and who should I send the money > > to? P3B? Fine, give me the account number and swift code please. > > > > -- > > Nicolas Chauvat > > > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pa= ris (France > Me too, please. > > Laura Creighton > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From geddert@arche.ag Tue May 7 16:08:09 2002 From: geddert@arche.ag (Michael Geddert) Date: 07 May 2002 17:08:09 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...? Message-ID: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert> Hello fellow Pythoneers, My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff for some of our clients. In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for companies and commercials to private Events. At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference, although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee online... ;) Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !). The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much post-production work i'd have to do. I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5 minute-documentary about the whole conference. So, what do you think ? Regards, Michael -- Michael Geddert Arche Netvision GmbH Banter Deich 18 26382 Wilhelmshaven Germany +49 4421 916355 From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 7 15:53:24 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 16:53:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. In-Reply-To: <038d01c1f5d4$dd1c8430$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > We still need to know about the other companies who already agreed to pay > 800 EUR... Who are the companies that agreed to pay 800 EUR ? Are they listed somewhere ? > Thinking of it, are there companies (on this list) willing to sponsor the > congress for a certain amount? Just sponsoring, like Dexia, etc... What would a company get as a sponsor ? As Laura stated, becoming a sponsor in February and getting one's name associated with the conference was much more interesting than it is now. Like a dozen of us I'm currently getting paid part-time to organize EuroPython, that does sound like sponsorship too :-) And 2000 EUR for Dexia is not the same as 2000 EUR for Logilab... sadly ;-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <03e201c1f5da$916c15e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hello fellow Pythoneers, > > My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based > consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff > for some of our clients. Hi Michael. > In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting > short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for > companies and commercials to private Events. > > At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference, > although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee > online... ;) Don't worry, people who like to people, will have no problem doing this :-) Well, this should be fixed within a few days. We're waiting on an approval of ShareIT.... > Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my > opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little > documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap > DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !). > > The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be > online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much > post-production work i'd have to do. > > I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5 > minute-documentary about the whole conference. > > So, what do you think ? Neat! Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 7 16:21:38 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 17:21:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Booths et al. References: <200205071408.g47E8QjX019218@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <038d01c1f5d4$dd1c8430$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CD7F102.AD650F5E@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Wait, wait. Sorry to spoil the fun for a moment :-) > > We still need to know about the other companies who already agreed to pay > 800 EUR... > Denis arranged it with these people, so before we offer the other price > settings. eg a minimum booth I would like to know if Denis agrees on this > and the people who already took a booth.... These people already engaged in > hiring a booth and we should first figure out how it works out for them. > > Denis, can you give your opinion? Taking into account the new calculations > of Marc-Andre and the costs for handling full installed booths, etc? I don't think they'd mind having to pay less... but Denis should make them aware of the "no strings attached" state, i.e. no risk management at all and no liability whatsoever. We will have to require the booth parties to sign an explicit waiver defining this, though... """ P3B DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES WITH REGARD TO THIS BOOTH, INCLUDING ALL IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS, IN NO EVENT SHALL P3B BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OF THIS BOOTH. """ > Thinking of it, are there companies (on this list) willing to sponsor the > congress for a certain amount? Just sponsoring, like Dexia, etc... That would be a nice move ! We could have sponsors which get mentioned on the badges, in the broschures etc. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From sf@fermigier.com Tue May 7 16:21:42 2002 From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 17:21:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...? In-Reply-To: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert>; from geddert@arche.ag on Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:08:09PM +0200 References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert> Message-ID: <20020507172142.C31519@math.jussieu.fr> On Tue, May 07, 2002 at 05:08:09PM +0200, Michael Geddert wrote: >=20 > The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could b= e > online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much > post-production work i'd have to do. >=20 > I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5 > minute-documentary about the whole conference. >=20 >=20 > So, what do you think ?=20 Great idea ! S. --=20 St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/ "Amazon: we patent the dot in .com" From lozinski@jobmart.com Tue May 7 16:20:02 2002 From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 08:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Exhbit Space In-Reply-To: <20020507110602.970.34901.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <1020507082002.206AAC/W.lozinski@maya> Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power and internet access, even if that costs more. I think security is also important, at the very least we should be able to attach the computers to the table with a bicycle chain lock. Being under the hostess watchful eye would be even better, even if it did cost some extra money. A final point, it would be good to have a deadline for sign ups for booths, so that we could make a go no-go decision early on, so that you would know for sure how many companies would be there. Regards Chris 1-510-795-6086 lozinski@openstepnews.com lozinski@jobmart.com From denis@aragne.com Tue May 7 18:20:33 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 19:20:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet In-Reply-To: <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net> Le Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:57:51PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > > > > > > > I still have some questions about it though: > > > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ??? > > > > > > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming? > > > > CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from > > them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi > > authorities donating money for the conference ? > > Ah, could be possible! Denis you know more?! CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with. http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=0000236_geo&menu=0000195_menu_entier (google is your friend) That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed). Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Hi, The Time Schedules reflect the latest state. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net> Message-ID: <017d01c1f5ff$bd5192f0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with. > http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=0000236_geo&menu=0000195_menu_entier > (google is your friend) > > That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed). Nicolas, what's up with these. Have you talked to them. Can they help us? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <018601c1f601$76547050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power and internet > access, even if that costs more. > > I think security is also important, at the very least we should be able to > attach the computers to the table with a bicycle chain lock. Being under the > hostess watchful eye would be even better, even if it did cost some extra money. Correct, but we need to find companies who want to share the extra cost. Right now, I don't here any company telling that they want to have a booth at those expenses. If you know companies who want, let us know. According to Marc-André his mail, do we have a break-even at 5 booths. Meaning that if we have 6 booths we have some cash to use for the conference.... > A final point, it would be good to have a deadline for sign ups for booths, so > that we could make a go no-go decision early on, so that you would know for sure > how many companies would be there. Yup.... but it is hard to find which way is the best to go. There aren't many companies expressing themself they want a booth.... Perhaps its time to ask this: --------------------------- (if people on this list know of a python/zope company, please ask them if they are interested in a booth. This congress will only work if we all share the word. On lists, to companies, to friends, etc. Having companies who can sponsor makes some things easier for the organisers here) 1) How many companies are interested in a booth 2) How many companies would like a booth of minimum 800 EUR, which includes security and assurance 3) How many companies are interested in a booth of the bare minimum, just to put flyers and brochures on it? For around 100-200 EUR. 4) Would companies who pay a minimum of 800 EUR mind that there are others who just pay less, but of course don't have benefits concerning guards etc. 5) How many people forward this message to friends, companies they know personell of etc? If we get enough response on this mail, then we can make a decision soon. (By the end of this week or beginning of next week?) Otherwise... If just a few -of the how much people registered on this list?- respons to this message, then I think we know how much interest people have in a EuroPython event.... I thought lot's of people wanted to have a Python/Zope congress close by, ie in Europe .... Regards, Tom From andy@reportlab.com Tue May 7 20:20:48 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 20:20:48 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Exhbit Space In-Reply-To: <1020507082002.206AAC/W.lozinski@maya> Message-ID: > Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power > and internet access, even if that costs more. It is not just the cost, it is the work. This stuff must be locally organised which means it is bound to fall on poor Denis. At the ACCU conference there was no internet access. (Actually there was one direct phone line, but we were under orders not to tel anyone or there would have been 50 people checking email). It worked fine; people talked to each other instead of hacking. And we did not even have Belgian beer to inspire our conversations :-) > I think security is also important, at the very least we should > be able to attach the computers to the table with a bicycle chain > lock. Being under the > hostess watchful eye would be even better, even if it did cost > some extra money. There's 'practical' security meaning your hardware is 99% unlikely to go for a walk, and 'contractual' meaning the organisers pay if it does, so they need insurance, so the insurers impose lots of conditions etc. etc. Practical we can arrange ourselves - contractual adds to costs and the workload. I think anyone bringing hardware should accept it is at their own risk. Then, if there are four or five stands, they can make a rota among themselves so things are covered. > A final point, it would be good to have a deadline for sign ups > for booths, so > that we could make a go no-go decision early on, so that you > would know for sure > how many companies would be there. Good point. Sell them online for Eu 100 before 1st June, then put the price up to 150 :-) Best regards, Andy From lozinski@jobmart.com Tue May 7 21:06:15 2002 From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 13:06:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Booths and Security Message-ID: <1020507130615.206AAC/e.lozinski@maya> I think that we will be fine without security. The booth people can just agree to keep an eye on each other's booths. That is pretty simple. How much would internet access cost? And I have asked Archaeopteryx Software ( www.wingide.com) if they would be interested in having a booth. Regards Chris 1-510-795-6086 lozinski@openstepnews.com lozinski@jobmart.com From oli@aragne.com Tue May 7 21:37:48 2002 From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 22:37:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] WebSite In-Reply-To: References: <036d01c1f54c$35ef0120$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020507203748.GA2237@debian> On lun, 06 mai 2002, Andy Robinson wrote: > > When Andy and his team (ReportLab) finish the pdf generation, then we > > good lot's of pdf goodies to add to the website. Stay tuned. :-) > > I set up the MySQL database. Anyone who might want to put stuff > in it, email me directly and I'll send back a password and > connect details. We should rehearse connecting ASAP. > > Since the data will be pretty important once we start to populate > it, maybe someone in a different country with mysql experience > could volunteer to run a one-line backup command each night? I have MySQL and PostgreSQL knowledge. I can run the backup if you want. I even have a Python script to backup the database and email the tarball to an adress. It's not a very beautiful script but it has worked very well for nearly one year at one of our customer's website. -- Olivier Laurent. P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From lac@strakt.com Tue May 7 22:10:17 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 07 May 2002 23:10:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...? In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Geddert of "07 May 2002 17:08:09 +0200." <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert> References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert> Message-ID: <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Hello fellow Pythoneers, > > My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based > consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff > for some of our clients. > > In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting > short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for > companies and commercials to private Events. > > At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference, > although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee > online... ;) > > Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my > opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little > documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap > DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !). > > The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be > online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much > post-production work i'd have to do. > > I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5 > minute-documentary about the whole conference. > > > So, what do you think ? > > Regards, > > Michael > > -- > Michael Geddert > > Arche Netvision GmbH > Banter Deich 18 > 26382 Wilhelmshaven > > Germany > > +49 4421 916355 I think that this is a wonderful idea. What (if any) special requirements do you have of the site in order to make this happen? Laura Creighton From webmaster@eclickz.net Tue May 7 22:41:06 2002 From: webmaster@eclickz.net (eClickz) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 14:41:06 -0700 Subject: [EuroPython] New search engine! eClickz.net Message-ID: <200205072141.g47Lf6815500@camp.321host-it.com> eClickz is a brand new pay-per-click (ppc) search engine where users can find relevant information on any topic conceivable. Features lightning fast search results and an affiliate program where webmasters can earn money by placing a search box on their website. Enjoy ! From Tom Deprez" Hi, Would it be possible to add a EuroPython banner to the Zopera site? We're trying our best to make this event as great as possible. Both Python and Zope enthousiastics will find something in which they interest. Your site reaches a lot of people and it would be great if you gave EuroPython2002 (www.europython.org) a chance to become a solid event somewhere in Europe, every year. You can download the banner at http://europython.zope.nl/images/banner_03. It would also be great if you could announce the following on the site as well: "The EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002. The European Python and Zope Conference is an initiative by the EuroPython Conference Team to bring together Python and Zope users and developers. This is also an opportunity for those who are interested in these technologies to learn more about them. This will be the first major European event dedicated solely to the Python programming language and its applications. Since Python is seeing a lot of use and much important Python software is developed in Europe, European Python community members felt it was high time to organize such a gathering." Many thanks in advance, Tom Deprez. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <035b01c1f61f$66e41fd0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > I think that we will be fine without security. The booth people can just agree > to keep an eye on each other's booths. That is pretty simple. > > How much would internet access cost? Denis has to recheck this again. But, normally if we've 6 connections, they cost each 100 EUR for the whole conference. > And I have asked Archaeopteryx Software ( www.wingide.com) if they would be > interested in having a booth. Thanks! > Regards > Chris > > 1-510-795-6086 > lozinski@openstepnews.com > lozinski@jobmart.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi, If we could manage to make a .pdf poster of the EuroPython2002 conference. Would people be interested to print it out and put it on some announcement places? (eg universities,...) Regards, Tom. From lozinski@jobmart.com Wed May 8 05:25:21 2002 From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Exhibit Booths Message-ID: <1020507212521.5505AAC/V.lozinski@maya> If it is $100 Euro per booth, then I expect that Archaeopteryx Software ( www.wingide.com) will have a booth, to show their literature, and stack CD's for distribution. They themselves will not come because their family is about to have a child. I will probably set up their booth for them. So who is actually in charge of the tables? Regards Chris 1-510-795-6086 lozinski@openstepnews.com lozinski@jobmart.com From lozinski@jobmart.com Wed May 8 05:30:36 2002 From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com) Date: Tue, 7 May 2002 21:30:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Python On Mac OS X Message-ID: <1020507213036.5505AAC/W.lozinski@maya> The big question being asked about Mac is whether people should develop on Mac OS 9 and use Carbon on Mac OS X, or if they should develop using native Mac OS X tools, but not ship on Mac OS 9. The answer is they should develop using Python Card and run on both Mac OS X and Mac OS 9. http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net So I think that there is going to be a roaring flood of Python developers into the Mac World. Am I right? Does anyone else see things the way I do? I am posting this on the european Python list because I believe you have a much higher percentage of python developers, and a higher percentage of Mac computers. Comments please? Regards Chris 1-510-795-6086 lozinski@openstepnews.com lozinski@jobmart.com From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Wed May 8 07:25:27 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 08:25:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Python On Mac OS X In-Reply-To: <1020507213036.5505AAC/W.lozinski@maya> References: <1020507213036.5505AAC/W.lozinski@maya> Message-ID: <1020839127.3cd8c4d799890@webmail.in-berlin.de> lozinski@jobmart.com wrote: > The big question being asked about Mac is whether people should develop > on Mac OS 9 and use Carbon on Mac OS X, or if they should develop using > native Mac OS X tools, but not ship on Mac OS 9. > > The answer is they should develop using Python Card and run on both Mac > OS X and Mac OS 9. > > http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net > > So I think that there is going to be a roaring flood of Python developers > into the Mac World. Am I right? Does anyone else see things the way > I do? > > I am posting this on the european Python list because I believe you have > a much higher percentage of python developers, and a higher percentage > of Mac computers. > > Comments please? I think pythonmac-sig@python.org is more appropriate for such con- siderations, which is where you'll also find quite a few European members. This list is for preparing a conference rather than dis- cussing language and/or application features/environments. Apart from that I think OS 9 is officially dead now after Jobs' keynote at the current MacWorld...: http://maccentral.macworld.com/news/0205/06.wwdckeynote.php Regards, Dinu From geddert@arche.ag Wed May 8 08:40:15 2002 From: geddert@arche.ag (Michael Geddert) Date: 08 May 2002 09:40:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...? In-Reply-To: <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert> <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <1020843615.1552.23.camel@a2-geddert> Am Die, 2002-05-07 um 23.10 schrieb Laura Creighton: > I think that this is a wonderful idea. What (if any) special requirements > do you have of the site in order to make this happen? > > Laura Creighton Ok, i can cope with bad lighting in post-production, so the only remainig issue would be the sound-system at the CEME. 1.) I presume there is a sound-system installed (Microphones,Mixer, Amps ...). Dennis, could you mail me the phone-number of your technical contact at CEME, so I can figure out how much additional equipment I'll have to carry ? 2.) Who did that nice Europython-Animation on the WebSite ? (Looks like it's done in Blender).I'd like to have that Logo in all of the Clips, maybe we can even incorporate some Anims. Michael > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Michael Geddert Arche Netvision GmbH Banter Deich 18 26382 Wilhelmshaven Germany +49 4421 916355 From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 8 09:34:26 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 10:34:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors Message-ID: Hi folks, sorry for beeing so quite. Having trouble to follow up your mails currently, you are all just to fast at the moment. BUT: I remembered that we have discussed about sponsors in February. My company (saying: me ;-) joined the sponsor list, and in the wiki I found following text: >Sponsors which we have contacted > >ASWAD (EU contact, Nicolas Pettiaux) - Standard ? >Heracles >Nuxeo (Stéfane Fermigier) - Standard ? > >Potential Sponsors >A. Smart Team Consulting Gmbh (Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de) >AB Strakt >Logilab >Zope Corp So, if someone can send me the bank account number I am going to send money. If I say I sponsor with money, I'll do it. The question is: what kind of "sponsoring" is coming from the other mentioned companies? Well, we all spend time (and reduced revenues and/or weekends) into this conference, of course. No reply needed, then. For non-europythonlist-member-companies we have to offer some "value" for the sponsorship: printed logo on the bags, added flyer to the welcome-bag content, logo on the website, mentioning in further press releases, some "sponsor table" where they can put flyers. And, to prevent discussion, no, not one table for every sponsor, but one table for all sponsors for leaflets and such. Maybe we can use a local PC, get a presentation from every sponsor or a off-line copy of the webpage so that the visitors can get some informations about the sponsors. Any further ideas? Laura, you seem to have more knowledge about sales/contacts and such. What would your company like to see/have? Who is going to be sponsor contact coordinator? That's one person who know which company/contact has been contacted, what he/she replied, sponsor-whish-list and such. Or, to be more specific: do we have such a person in our team currently? Regards, Andrew From lac@strakt.com Wed May 8 10:02:11 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 11:02:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors In-Reply-To: Message from "Andrew Smart" of "Wed, 08 May 2002 10:34:26 +0200." References: Message-ID: <200205080902.g4892BjX023394@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > > Laura, you seem to have more knowledge about sales/contacts and such. What > would your company like to see/have? > I have immediately forwarded this question to our Marketing Department. Expect to hear from them (probably through me) very soon. Laura From Tom Deprez" <200205072110.g47LAIjX020463@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <1020843615.1552.23.camel@a2-geddert> Message-ID: <010801c1f675$8ffd1920$1e71a8c0@u10136> > 2.) Who did that nice Europython-Animation on the WebSite ? > (Looks like it's done in Blender).I'd like to have that Logo in all > of the Clips, maybe we can even incorporate some Anims. That's Vincent, the designer of the website. You can find his contact information at the bottom of every page on EuroPython Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <010901c1f675$c9ddfe20$1e71a8c0@u10136> > If it is $100 Euro per booth, then I expect that Archaeopteryx Software ( > www.wingide.com) will have a booth, to show their literature, and stack CD's for > distribution. They themselves will not come because their family is about to > have a child. I will probably set up their booth for them. > > So who is actually in charge of the tables? We're working this out right now. We'll soon publish more information on how to contact the organisers of EuroPython. Please, bare a few days. I don't think that for such a simple booth, there are problems to wait a few days to pay for it. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <011101c1f676$6026bd90$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi folks, > > sorry for beeing so quite. Having trouble to follow up your mails currently, > you are all just to fast at the moment. Thanks for joining us again :-) > Who is going to be sponsor contact coordinator? That's one person who know > which company/contact has been contacted, what he/she replied, > sponsor-whish-list and such. Or, to be more specific: do we have such a > person in our team currently? We're working this out right now. ie soon there will be an announcement on how to contact people for different things. Would you like to be candidate for this specific task? Regards, Tom. From lac@strakt.com Wed May 8 11:32:35 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 12:32:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsoring Message-ID: <200205081032.g48AWZAF023708@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Ok, here is the deal. When you are a new, untried organization, especially when you are trying to find sponsors _late_ and not early, it is hard to give out the publicity to the world that rakes in the largest amount of cash. If our Press Releases were going everywhere, and we were sponsoring a huge amount of people, then companies pay to get some of the limelight when another extremely successful conference goes down. They get the rights to say 'they helped', wherever that is useful and signal that with banners and the like. New conferences have problems attracting this kind of sponsorship, because nobody wants to be associated with a conference that fails. Do not believe the lies that 'the only thing that matters is any sort of publicity at all' -- this is most definitely not true where I operate. Thus you want to sell something that will not put you to risk, and which does not make for extra work for the conference organisers who right now are working their tails off (hi Tom!). We have a fix for this as well. You pay a flat fee for the right to put handouts into the bags that you are making up, one per attendee. You can also charge for providing the bag, which is typically the top priced item you can hand out if you are busy and complicated enough to warrant a complex pricing structure. I strongly recommend against it. Hackers are still 0.50 a head. Charge something small for the right to put your own stuff in. Make sure that the stuff will not shatter and stink the place up with perfume and the like. Offer the backpack, but do not be surprised if nobody wants to do that. Backpacks, even for only 150, are expensive. The big flaw in all this is that we do not have accurate information on how many people are coming, so cannot recommend how much stuff to order because a) we do not have past experience to go by. And, b) because we do not have a competant way to pay things firmly in place and used by all. So for all we know, once you let people pay, 500 will say they are coming and won't we all have to hop! Now, as to whether AB Strakt wants to sponsor -- that is a Marketing decision which I sent to AB Strakt's Head of Marketing. She will begin to make her decision when she sees a nice web page with on-line SWIFT paying information, and a form for reserving space, how much, and where to ship the loot. Do not expect her to spend any time reading a Wiki looking for such things. She is too busy. I am very busy today with my other companies. This will have to do for a while. Laura Creighton From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <023d01c1f67e$87353d50$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Now, as to whether AB Strakt wants to sponsor -- that is a Marketing decision > which I sent to AB Strakt's Head of Marketing. She will begin to make her > decision when she sees a nice web page with on-line SWIFT paying information, > and a form for reserving space, how much, and where to ship the loot. > Do not expect her to spend any time reading a Wiki looking for such things. > She is too busy. Just to tell everybody that we are working on the topic of contact persons and price settigs and registration. I just need a concensus from several people concerning these issues and then it will all appear on the website. PS. Please, if possible do not remind us on things like this again. We know we're late on this subject, we're trying to do our best to make a certain ground. And we do hope dat with this 'take-off' congress, we'll find the interest for next year and people who want that Europe must have such an event each year. Again to you all: If you can, if you find the time, then please if possible, mail to all the mailinglists of open-source, python, zope in your country concerning EuroPython2002. If possible ask wether sites want to put the EuroPython banner (see my request to Zopera.com) on there website. This way we can reach a bigger audience and we've a bigger change to a big event for this in the future. It makes me more frustrated that I can't get it quicker done :-) Regards, Tom. From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 8 13:03:37 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 12:03:37 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] BudgetTeam Sponsors Message-ID: >From: "Tom Deprez" >We're working this out right now. ie soon there will be an announcement on >how to contact people for different things. > >Would you like to be candidate for this specific task? I can help out, and I'm willing to do so. But I have limited time resources (I overestimate my idle-times all-the-time) and I try not to make promises which I can not hold. Especially in an area which is so sensitive. Regards, Andrew _________________________________________________________________ Mit MSN Fotos können Sie problemlos Ihre Fotos ausdrucken und anderen Benutzern zur Verfügung stellen: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From tim@2wave.net Wed May 8 13:54:31 2002 From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 13:54:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines In-Reply-To: <20020508083701.3056.32149.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <20020508125431.43675.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> I agree with Andy. We shouldn't be expected to provide internet access. The ACCU event went better because of the absence of e-distraction. It could be that the exhibitor/table-space-renters and session leaders have forgotten stuff (which was the only case I know of where an exhibitor needed e-access). But I do not think it is our responsibility to ask Denis to do additional work to compensate for our inadequacies in this regard; he has quite enough to do. Tim > Since this is a computer conference, we really do need both power > and internet access, even if that costs more. It is not just the cost, it is the work. This stuff must be locally organised which means it is bound to fall on poor Denis. At the ACCU conference there was no internet access. (Actually there was one direct phone line, but we were under orders not to tel anyone or there would have been 50 people checking email). It worked fine; people talked to each other instead of hacking. And we did not even have Belgian beer to inspire our conversations :-) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Wed May 8 14:06:46 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 15:06:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines In-Reply-To: <20020508125431.43675.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020508125431.43675.qmail@web14503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1020863206.3cd922e675d5e@webmail.in-berlin.de> Tim Couper : > I agree with Andy. We shouldn't be expected to provide > internet access. The ACCU event went better because of > the absence of e-distraction. It could be that the > exhibitor/table-space-renters and session leaders have > forgotten stuff (which was the only case I know of > where an exhibitor needed e-access). But I do not > think it is our responsibility to ask Denis to do > additional work to compensate for our inadequacies in > this regard; he has quite enough to do. I support that. I'd actually like to see a conference again in which people don't sit in the same pool only to send each other emails or, worse, have a chat! As far as I'm concerned, I'd like to take nothing but a camera and, maybe, a hard drive with me. Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes connected via a single cheap phone line? Dinu From lac@strakt.com Wed May 8 14:09:11 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 15:09:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] apologies Message-ID: <200205081309.g48D9Btt024215@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I apologise to Tom and the rest of the team for my short words earlier. New rule for me -- do not post to Europython while being put on hold for a coversation with an idiot. Thank you Tom for keeping me in line. Laura From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <03b401c1f695$5b2b9f30$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I apologise to Tom and the rest of the team for my short words earlier. > New rule for me -- do not post to Europython while being put on hold > for a coversation with an idiot. Thank you Tom for keeping me in line. Laura, no need to apologise! I didn't found your words offensive. It was only the fact that I saw several mails concerning hiring booths, etc. and I just wanted to say that we're working on it, but that at the moment we can't give an exact answer yet. Sorry for the delays. Regards, Tom. From tim@2wave.net Wed May 8 14:40:21 2002 From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 14:40:21 +0100 (BST) Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines In-Reply-To: <1020863206.3cd922e675d5e@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <20020508134021.59964.qmail@web14508.mail.yahoo.com> > I support that. I'd actually like to see a > conference again in which > people don't sit in the same pool only to send each > other emails or, > worse, have a chat! ... This comment proves you're not nearly nerdy enough to be a REAL programmer :-). Shame!! :-) Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 8 16:07:16 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:07:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines In-Reply-To: <1020863206.3cd922e675d5e@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes > connected via a single cheap phone line? YES ! Let's do that please. At the same time, we will just make an ISO image of the whole directory where presentations are stored, for people to download and burn. That's a low-budget conf, but it does not mean we have to neglect good ideas :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From andy@reportlab.com Wed May 8 16:41:35 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 16:41:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give > > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes > > connected via a single cheap phone line? > > YES ! Let's do that please. At the same time, we will just > make an ISO > image of the whole directory where presentations are > stored, for people to > download and burn. That's a low-budget conf, but it does > not mean we have > to neglect good ideas :-) > Go further and mandate PythonPoint for all slide generation (with Nicholas & colleagues' extensions), then we can do a compilation of all the talks afterwards - or put them in the program :-) I do think it's a great idea to allocate ftp space and a directory per speaker on a server, before the conference. Then you just need one PC in each room where presentations are done - Andy From andy@reportlab.com Wed May 8 17:17:41 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2002 17:17:41 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Go further and mandate PythonPoint for all slide generation > (with Nicholas & colleagues' extensions), then we can Damn, sorry, misspelled you again! Nicolas Nicolas Nicolas Nicolas Nicolas. - Andy From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 8 16:49:04 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:49:04 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Documentary ...? References: <1020784089.1566.114.camel@a2-geddert> Message-ID: <3CD948F0.3D436CDD@lemburg.com> Michael Geddert wrote: > > Hello fellow Pythoneers, > > My name is Michael Geddert, I am working for a german-based > consulting-group (http://www.arche.ag) coding neat python-stuff > for some of our clients. > > In my spare time (when I'm not playing Blues-Guitar) I'm busy shooting > short Movie-Clips for various customers, ranging from Image-Films for > companies and commercials to private Events. > > At the moment, chances are good I'll attend the Europython-Conference, > although this really depends on the possibility to pay the entrance fee > online... ;) We're working on it hard... something went wrong in the ShareIT signup procedure so we have to do it again :-( > Due to the fact that the line-up of speakers is very promising in my > opinion (Guido,ESR,ReportLab,etc. ...), I'd like to shoot a little > documentary about the conference while I'm there (using cheap > DV-Equipment - don't expect hollywood-grade stuff !). > > The resulting material,converted to any streaming-media-format, could be > online within 1 or 2 weeks after the conference, depending on how much > post-production work i'd have to do. > > I'd suggest to create clips from the keynotes and one short 4-5 > minute-documentary about the whole conference. > > So, what do you think ? That's a great proposal ! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 8 16:53:57 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 17:53:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Updated budget Excel Sheet References: <3CD78022.C5EC67@lemburg.com> <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CD94A15.52865AA3@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >=20 > Le Tue, May 07, 2002 at 12:57:51PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > > > > > > > > > I still have some questions about it though: > > > > > * What's "CGRI" and "Bus picking" ??? > > > > > > > > CGRI? Perhaps they mean the costs for letting ESR comming? > > > > > > CGRI is mentioned on the IN side meaning we get money from > > > them (whoever they are). Could CGRI be the local Charleroi > > > authorities donating money for the conference ? > > > > Ah, could be possible! Denis you know more?! >=20 > CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with. > http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=3D0000236_geo&menu=3D0000195_me= nu_entier > (google is your friend) >=20 > That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed). So we're not getting money from them, right ? In that case, I'll remove them from the budget. (Why is that the French speaking people are so in love=20 with acronyms ?) --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <00e601c1f5b0$d1cf7d90$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CD7AFDB.38FC29C0@lemburg.com> <016201c1f5b6$084fb920$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020507192033.A16387@carolo.net> <3CD94A15.52865AA3@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <04a801c1f6b0$228eb7a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > CGRI was a thing Nicolas Pettiaux came with. > > http://www.wbri.be/cgi/bin/htdoc.cgi?id=0000236_geo&menu=0000195_menu_entier > > (google is your friend) > > > > That's a regional organization that could (have) help(ed). > > So we're not getting money from them, right ? In that case, > I'll remove them from the budget. Yes, I talked with Nicolas on this and in order to recieve help from them, we had to be: 1) way earlier! Even when we started it would probably already been to late 2) Have a full fledged dossier. So, they won't help now. Regards, Tom From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 8 17:41:20 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 18:41:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines References: Message-ID: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> Andy Robinson wrote: > > > > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give > > > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes > > > connected via a single cheap phone line? > > > > YES ! Let's do that please. At the same time, we will just > > make an ISO > > image of the whole directory where presentations are > > stored, for people to > > download and burn. That's a low-budget conf, but it does > > not mean we have > > to neglect good ideas :-) > > > Go further and mandate PythonPoint for all slide generation > (with Nicholas & colleagues' extensions), then we can > do a compilation of all the talks afterwards - or put > them in the program :-) > > I do think it's a great idea to allocate ftp space > and a directory per speaker on a server, before > the conference. Then you just need one PC in > each room where presentations are done Sorry, guys. No time for hackers delight. Slides must use PDF, Word or plain HTML. I have already found a volunteer who is willing to paste all this together into a nice format which can then go online after the conference. BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Wed May 8 18:36:02 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 13:36:02 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Internet lines References: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather > than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer > to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks. I'm willing to do it. --Paul From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Wed, 8 May 2002 16:41:35 +0100, Andy Robinson wrote: >> > Hey, why can't we just upload presentations to a server and give >> > them from some designated two or three internet-enabled boxes >> > connected via a single cheap phone line? I would've raised the issue sooner or later. While I could bring a company laptop, I'm not keen on that. +1 PythonPoint? I planned on trying pylize. Ciao, J=FCrgen From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 8 18:49:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management References: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> Message-ID: <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather > > than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer > > to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks. > > I'm willing to do it. Great ! I hope that you'll find all the needed information in the wiki. If not, just ask. Known BoFs: * "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run by Tim Couper and myself) Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Wed May 8 19:33:05 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 20:33:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] EPC logo in SVG? Message-ID: <1020882785.3cd96f6146896@webmail.in-berlin.de> Hi, this is mainly for Vincent, but I'm too lazy to dig out his address... Vincent, could you make a vectorised SVG version of your logo, maybe? Could also be of interest for making posters, etc. Thanks, Dinu From paul@zope.com Wed May 8 19:50:20 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 14:50:20 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management References: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com> Done. At: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks ...I created links to: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/BirdsOfAFeather http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/LightningTalks I'll send out some spam to bug people into signing up. Marc-Andre, have you picked a date/time for your BoF? --Paul M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > >>M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >>>BTW, please stay focussed on getting work done rather >>>than generating new work, e.g we still need a volunteer >>>to manage the day BoF sessions are lightning talks. >> >>I'm willing to do it. > > > Great ! > > I hope that you'll find all the needed information > in the wiki. If not, just ask. > > Known BoFs: > > * "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run > by Tim Couper and myself) > > Thanks, From Juergen Hermann" Message-ID: On Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run > by Tim Couper and myself) Anyone interested in a XML BOF? Ciao, J=FCrgen From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 8 21:40:52 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 08 May 2002 22:40:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management References: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com> Message-ID: <3CD98D54.75AF7278@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Done. At: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > ...I created links to: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/BirdsOfAFeather > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/LightningTalks Thank you. > I'll send out some spam to bug people into signing up. Marc-Andre, have > you picked a date/time for your BoF? No, that's for you to decide ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <01ad01c1f6e7$8285a740$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Hi, this is mainly for Vincent, but I'm too lazy to dig out his address... I've already contacted Vincent concerning the posters. I've asked to make an A3 and A4 format. If we've problems with the pdf creation, could you help? > Vincent, could you make a vectorised SVG version of your logo, maybe? I'll contact Vincent as well. If possible, we'll place the vectorised version as downloadable image on the site, so everybody can use it. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Here is the Zope Track description made by Paul E. Comments please: """ The Zope Track at EuroPython 2002 will be a major event for European Zope users. The track features over ten presentations and a Zope 3 sprint, as well as a Zope tutorial and lightning talks in the main Python conference. Want to learn about exciting Zope work, or finally meet all the people from IRC? Want to hear exciting news about the future of Zope, plus help steer the future of EuroZope? If so, then the Zope Track at EuroPython 2002 is a must-attend event. """ Regards, Tom From lac@strakt.com Thu May 9 05:04:40 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 06:04:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management In-Reply-To: Message from Paul Everitt of "Wed, 08 May 2002 14:50:20 EDT." <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com> References: <3CD95530.BBD0AABB@lemburg.com> <3CD96202.5080404@zope.com> <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> <3CD9736C.1070102@zope.com> Message-ID: <200205090404.g4944ejX027195@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > > Done. At: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ConferenceTracks > > ...I created links to: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/BirdsOfAFeather > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/LightningTalks > > I'll send out some spam to bug people into signing up. Marc-Andre, have > you picked a date/time for your BoF? > > --Paul Make sure you save space for people who sign up at the conference. Some of the coolest and most interesting work on the planet is done by people with the organisational skills of a hurricane. One reason we want these things is to find out what the hell they are up to. Laura From andy@reportlab.com Thu May 9 07:16:31 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 07:16:31 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EPC logo in SVG? In-Reply-To: <01ad01c1f6e7$8285a740$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > > Vincent, could you make a vectorised SVG version of your logo, maybe? > > I'll contact Vincent as well. If possible, we'll place the vectorised > version as downloadable image on the site, so everybody can use it. > For PDF documents (badges or brochures) we will also need vector versions of any artwork - EPS or even PDF if that is easier! Can you ask for this at the same time and place it alongside? Thanks, Andy Robinson From js@aixtraware.de Thu May 9 08:57:21 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 09:57:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning In-Reply-To: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, I took the freedom to start on a talk-planing system for EuroPython. You=20 can view the first draft at http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/ you login in as visitor, guest. The handling should be obvious ;-) The attributes are easely extendable, and I can give access to the data=20 over xml-rpc, so that for example we can generate timetables from the data. I have to run this on my server, cause this is done with ZPatterns, and my=20 Zpde (the Zope-pragmatic-development-enviroment) product, which are not=20 installed on www.europython.org What do you think ? Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From lac@strakt.com Thu May 9 09:39:55 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:39:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning In-Reply-To: Message from Joachim Schmitz of "Thu, 09 May 2002 09:57:21 +0200." <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <200205090839.g498dtjX029135@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Hi, > = > I took the freedom to start on a talk-planing system for EuroPython. You= = > can view the first draft at http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/ > you login in as visitor, guest. > = > The handling should be obvious ;-) > = > The attributes are easely extendable, and I can give access to the data = > over xml-rpc, so that for example we can generate timetables from the da= ta. > = > I have to run this on my server, cause this is done with ZPatterns, and = my = > Zpde (the Zope-pragmatic-development-enviroment) product, which are not = > installed on www.europython.org > = > What do you think ? Jacob Hall=E9n wants an accent over the e in his last name. I edited the form, using the edit word, but the name is still bad. We also want = AB Strakt to be listed like that, and not the equally common way of = Strakt AB, because otherwise nobody will get the joke. I changed that form as well. I am working on the assumption that it is Track runners who should be working on this, and that the rest of us should just proof what they make. Is this assumption any good? Laura Creighton From gotcha@swing.be Thu May 9 09:58:21 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 10:58:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython website Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509105626.01d48ed0@pop.swing.be> Hi Tom, Just wanted to tell you and Vincent how I am impresed by the work that has been done to improve the website. Both on content and design. Great Thanks. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <005401c1f738$14dde440$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > For PDF documents (badges or brochures) we will also need vector versions of any artwork - EPS or even PDF if that is easier! > Can you ask for this at the same time and place it alongside? Consider it done :-) Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> >Hi, >I took the freedom to start on a talk-planing system for EuroPython. You can view the first draft at http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/ >you login in as visitor, guest. >The attributes are easely extendable, and I can give access to the data over xml-rpc, so that for example we can generate timetables from the data. Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-) Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-) I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're seeing/working >I have to run this on my server, cause this is done with ZPatterns, and my Zpde (the Zope-pragmatic-development-enviroment) product, which are not installed on www.europython.org Zut, have the people from Amaze didn't contacted you yet? I'll resend them a note. >What do you think ? Great! And top, since it is already there. So, we don't have to discuss who will implement it :-)) Regards, Tom. From Tom" Message-ID: <006e01c1f73a$3cff6960$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Hi Tom, > > Just wanted to tell you and Vincent how I am impresed by the work that has been done to improve the website. > > Both on content and design. Thanks! You're welcome. All ideas on improving are appreciated. Regards, Tom. From gotcha@swing.be Thu May 9 10:19:47 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:19:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EuroPython website In-Reply-To: <006e01c1f73a$3cff6960$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509105626.01d48ed0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020509111829.00a7f760@pop.swing.be> At 11:04 9/05/2002, Tom wrote: >Thanks! You're welcome. > >All ideas on improving are appreciated. I was just wondering why the pages are called through a frameset which avoids seeing the title of the pages. If the frameset is not needed anymore I can do the work to take it of. >Regards, >Tom. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020509111829.00a7f760@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <00ac01c1f73c$bfda0780$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > > >Thanks! You're welcome. > > > >All ideas on improving are appreciated. > > I was just wondering why the pages are called through a frameset which > avoids seeing the title of the pages. > > If the frameset is not needed anymore I can do the work to take it of. Mmm, sorry don't follow you here. What you could do as well is start a version and change the things, look at it and if you feel it's better then before, then just make that version the active one :-) Perhaps we can move this discussion of this list? I'm not sure everybody is interested in this? Regards, Tom. From js@aixtraware.de Thu May 9 10:59:20 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 11:59:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning In-Reply-To: <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]> --On Donnerstag, Mai 09, 2002 11:01:47 +0200 Tom Deprez =20 wrote: > > Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-) > Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-) > > I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so > that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've > a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're > seeing/working like it is now ? Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-) > Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-) > > I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so > that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've > a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're > seeing/working >like it is now ? Yes that's a way of displaying the tracks as well, specified per topic. You could even go further and let the user specify multiple topics. eg I'm interested in 'Zope' & 'Python' talks (Remind that PythonHackers changed to Python & Jython) Another way of displaying the tracks would also be possible per Day and Track, instead per topic. Assume someone wants to look what happens on day1: He/She selects day1 and gets all talks sorted per track. Further he than still has the possibility to filter on track as well: He/She gets all the talks for a specific track of that day. Regards, Tom Mit freundlichen Grüßen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurbüro für Internetanwendungen Hüsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From js@aixtraware.de Thu May 9 11:58:05 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Thu, 09 May 2002 12:58:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Talks planning In-Reply-To: <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <3CD78E54.8374F7B6@lemburg.com> <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]> <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <43800000.1020941885@[10.2.1.1]> just a reminder, at the moment this is intended for helping in planing the=20 tracks, we can create any view we like and have time for ;-). --On Donnerstag, Mai 09, 2002 12:31:01 +0200 Tom Deprez =20 wrote: >> Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-) >> Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-) >> >> I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so >> that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that = you've >> a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're >> seeing/working > >> like it is now ? > > Yes that's a way of displaying the tracks as well, specified per topic. > > You could even go further and let the user specify multiple topics. eg = I'm > interested in 'Zope' & 'Python' talks > > (Remind that PythonHackers changed to Python & Jython) > > Another way of displaying the tracks would also be possible per Day and > Track, instead per topic. > > Assume someone wants to look what happens on day1: He/She selects day1 = and > gets all talks sorted per track. > Further he than still has the possibility to filter on track as well: > He/She gets all the talks for a specific track of that day. > > > > Regards, > Tom > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <33020000.1020931040@[10.2.1.1]> <006c01c1f73a$38b4a050$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <41160000.1020938360@[10.2.1.1]> <015201c1f744$ce4d1700$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <43800000.1020941885@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <018501c1f74b$b05409f0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> >just a reminder, at the moment this is intended for helping in planing the tracks, we can create any view we like and have time for ;-). Correct, but what's done is done :-)) I was just brainstorming, Regards, Tom. --On Donnerstag, Mai 09, 2002 12:31:01 +0200 Tom Deprez wrote: >> Great idea! Certainly when you already implemented it :-) >> Off course only some people should have manage access to these pages :-) >> >> I know its possible :-) but could you (do you've the time) to make it so >> that the entries are shown seperated per Day and per track ie that you've >> a filter on top of the page, which tells in which day and track you're >> seeing/working > >> like it is now ? > > Yes that's a way of displaying the tracks as well, specified per topic. > > You could even go further and let the user specify multiple topics. eg I'm > interested in 'Zope' & 'Python' talks > > (Remind that PythonHackers changed to Python & Jython) > > Another way of displaying the tracks would also be possible per Day and > Track, instead per topic. > > Assume someone wants to look what happens on day1: He/She selects day1 and > gets all talks sorted per track. > Further he than still has the possibility to filter on track as well: > He/She gets all the talks for a specific track of that day. > > > > Regards, > Tom > > > > Mit freundlichen Grüßen Joachim Schmitz > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurbüro für Internetanwendungen > Hüsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint = DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Grüßen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurbüro für Internetanwendungen Hüsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From olivier.deckmyn@ingeniweb.com Thu May 9 13:11:12 2002 From: olivier.deckmyn@ingeniweb.com (Olivier Deckmyn - Ingeniweb) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 14:11:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Message au Zopemaster References: <031501c1f61c$b222b220$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <013301c1f752$9e1b9030$6300010a@kashmir> Done : http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/europython2002 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Deprez" To: Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:12 AM Subject: Message au Zopemaster > Hi, > > Would it be possible to add a EuroPython banner to the Zopera site? > We're trying our best to make this event as great as possible. Both Python > and Zope enthousiastics will find something in which they interest. > > Your site reaches a lot of people and it would be great if you gave > EuroPython2002 (www.europython.org) a chance to become a solid event > somewhere in Europe, every year. > > You can download the banner at http://europython.zope.nl/images/banner_03. > > It would also be great if you could announce the following on the site as > well: > > "The EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and Zope > Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002. > The European Python and Zope Conference is an initiative by the EuroPython > Conference Team to bring together Python and Zope users and developers. This > is also an opportunity for those who are interested in these technologies to > learn more about them. This will be the first major European event dedicated > solely to the Python programming language and its applications. Since Python > is seeing a lot of use and much important Python software is developed in > Europe, European Python community members felt it was high time to organize > such a gathering." > > Many thanks in advance, > > Tom Deprez. > > > From Tom Deprez" <013301c1f752$9e1b9030$6300010a@kashmir> Message-ID: <006f01c1f754$a96ea9c0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Many thanks for your support! Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olivier Deckmyn - Ingeniweb" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: Message au Zopemaster > Done : http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/europython2002 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tom Deprez" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 1:12 AM > Subject: Message au Zopemaster > > > > Hi, > > > > Would it be possible to add a EuroPython banner to the Zopera site? > > We're trying our best to make this event as great as possible. Both Python > > and Zope enthousiastics will find something in which they interest. > > > > Your site reaches a lot of people and it would be great if you gave > > EuroPython2002 (www.europython.org) a chance to become a solid event > > somewhere in Europe, every year. > > > > You can download the banner at http://europython.zope.nl/images/banner_03. > > > > It would also be great if you could announce the following on the site as > > well: > > > > "The EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and Zope > > Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002. > > The European Python and Zope Conference is an initiative by the EuroPython > > Conference Team to bring together Python and Zope users and developers. > This > > is also an opportunity for those who are interested in these technologies > to > > learn more about them. This will be the first major European event > dedicated > > solely to the Python programming language and its applications. Since > Python > > is seeing a lot of use and much important Python software is developed in > > Europe, European Python community members felt it was high time to > organize > > such a gathering." > > > > Many thanks in advance, > > > > Tom Deprez. > > > > > > > From Tom Deprez" Hi, There or only two track descriptions posted on this list (Python In Science And Industry and Zope). Would the other (Python & Jython; Python Business; Python Applications; Web Services) please find some time to make a small track description. If everybody is ready, we can post this on the web as well. Thanks in advance, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Thu May 9 17:19:07 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 18:19:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Zopera [Was: Message au Zopemaster] In-Reply-To: <006f01c1f754$a96ea9c0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <031501c1f61c$b222b220$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <013301c1f752$9e1b9030$6300010a@kashmir> <006f01c1f754$a96ea9c0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020509181907.I1158@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 09, 2002 at 02:25:46PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > Many thanks for your support! > > Done : http://www.zopera.org/Members/odeckmyn/europython2002 Merci Olivier. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Hi all, This is a special note to the track managers: A) Can everybody send his/her contact information which I can use on the website so that people know whom to contact concerning a certain track? B) Joachim made an entry form for storing all the information concerning the talks into xml. It would be nice that if there are already decisions made concerning the programmation of talks, it would be nice that you would use this form. If the Amaze server gets ready, we can move this data over to the EuroPython site and generate views so people can see the session informations and a summary of the talks. This data will also be used by the ReportLab team to dynamically generate pdf flyers, brochures so visitors can download this information before they are comming to this event! As you see, it is important to use this form and to fill it in as good as you can. (Of course, if you don't have this information yet, you could also try the form out a few times and report problems to Joachim). The form can be found on: http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/ you login in as visitor, guest. C) Don't forget to post your subscription :-) Thanks for the great work! Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Well, you asked for it. Now you can't return on your words :-). Vincent made some posters and logos in different sizes and formats. Great work Vincent! I hope there is something in it that you like, which shouldn't be the problem I think ;-) And I hope you'll all make use of it, now that we've put our precious time in it :-) Ok, enough set. Go and look at http://europython.zope.nl/gadgets Print them out and display them, show that you will be at EuroPython2002. Comments, improvements, suggestions, always welcome! More to come? Just aks and we'll see what we can do for you. Thanks! Tom. From lac@strakt.com Thu May 9 23:46:08 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 00:46:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" of "Thu, 09 May 2002 18:32:09 +0200." <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200205092246.g49Mk8jX032335@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Thank you to whoever fixed Jacob Hall=E9n's name. Much appreciated. Laura Creighton From lac@strakt.com Fri May 10 07:59:33 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 08:59:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with the mail at aragne Message-ID: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I can't send mail to Tom Deprez. Laura -------------------------------- Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details Return-Path: MAILER-DAEMON Delivery-Date: Fri May 10 08:19:24 2002 MIME-Version: 1.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=3.5 required=5.0 tests=FROM_MALFORMED version=2.11 part 1 text/plain 499 Press to show content... The original message was received at Fri, 10 May 2002 08:19:22 +0200 from root@ratthing-b246.strakt.com [62.13.29.37] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 553 5.1.3 ... Invalid route address) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to colnet.carolo.net.: >>> DATA <<< 553 5.1.3 ... Invalid route address 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown <<< 503 5.0.0 Need RCPT (recipient) part 3 message/rfc822 1142 ---------------------------------------------- From brendon@70south.com Fri May 10 11:59:10 2002 From: brendon@70south.com (Brendon Grunewald) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 12:59:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Website In-Reply-To: <20020509160013.17539.25936.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: Dear Europythonas, Great work on the new website. I have added a banner add to the 70South site's ad queue. Is there anyway else for people (that like me, who are python programming challenged) to assist? Besides hotel info translation that is ;-) I look forward to the conference. Regards, Brendon --- "70South is the best Antarctic website on the internet" - Jonathan Shackleton. Brendon Grunewald www.70south.com/about/contact (Contact Details in US, EU, and via internet) About 70South: (www.70South.com ) - Award winning, Interactive and updated daily with the latest news and educational information on Antarctica and related topics. - Available on your PC, Mobile Phone and PDA. - The No.1 source for Antarcticles (tm) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 12:46:23 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 13:46:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the website Message-ID: <20020510114623.GA1203@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, A small suggestion for the website; the main image is rather big and this makes the news items fall off to the left. Would it perhaps be possible to scale the image down by a bit so people don't have to scroll sideways to find the news? That'd also help people to find the text under the image. I mean, it's a cool image, but by making it quite a bit smaller we can actually improve the usability of the site by quite a bit.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 13:02:38 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:02:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II In-Reply-To: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi all, > > This is a special note to the track managers: > > A) Can everybody send his/her contact information which I can use on the > website so that people know whom to contact concerning a certain track? Some of this information is online already, see the PythonApplicationsTrack and PythonHackers track. I'll extend the short abstracts: PythonHackersTrack A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this includes changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco) as well as other implementations (Jython), as well as its performance under unusual circumstances. PythonApplicationsTrack This track contains talks on a wide range of Python applications and frameworks. > B) Joachim made an entry form for storing all the information concerning the > talks into xml. > It would be nice that if there are already decisions made concerning the > programmation of talks, it would be nice that you would use this form. Okay, I'll enter the info I have right now there. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 13:06:23 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:06:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II In-Reply-To: <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020510120623.GA2452@vet.uu.nl> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > This is a special note to the track managers: > > > > A) Can everybody send his/her contact information which I can use on the > > website so that people know whom to contact concerning a certain track? > > Some of this information is online already, see the PythonApplicationsTrack > and PythonHackers track. > > I'll extend the short abstracts: > > PythonHackersTrack > > A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this > includes changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco) as > well as other implementations (Jython), as well as its performance under > unusual circumstances. Hm, rewrite this to: PythonHackersTrack A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this includes the use of existing features in innovative ways, as well as changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco), as well as other implementations (Jython). Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <047601c1f81b$339bab90$1e71a8c0@u10136> Urg, didn't realised it was too big for some people. It looks nice here. But my screen resolution is rather high, I'll change it. Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 1:46 PM Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the website > Hi there, > > A small suggestion for the website; the main image is rather big and > this makes the news items fall off to the left. Would it perhaps be > possible to scale the image down by a bit so people don't have to scroll > sideways to find the news? That'd also help people to find the text > under the image. > > I mean, it's a cool image, but by making it quite a bit smaller we can > actually improve the usability of the site by quite a bit.. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 13:08:33 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner Message-ID: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, A suggestion for the talk planner; I have of course no idea yet what times to fill in for these talks, or on what day they will be. I hope that isn't going to screw things up. Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I think we need that. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > PythonHackersTrack > > A techie track containing talks on the Python language itself; this > includes changes to its implementation (such as Stackless, Psyco) as > well as other implementations (Jython), as well as its performance under > unusual circumstances. Martijn, please note that by vote during the last chat, the PythonHackersTrack is restored to it's original name : Python & Jython. (information see on the chat log of 6 may) Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 13:13:10 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:13:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] talk planner weird Message-ID: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I just did the entry for Armin Rigo, and somehow his name is repeated twice in the overview, while I cannot seem to correct this on the form. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <048c01c1f81e$8f859c10$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Martijn, Yes, I've asked this to Joachim as well. He planned to do this when we move from his server to Amaze. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:08 PM Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner > Hi there, > > A suggestion for the talk planner; I have of course no idea yet what times > to fill in for these talks, or on what day they will be. I hope that isn't > going to screw things up. > > Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I think we > need that. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi, I've changed the home page. Please look if it's ok now (ie that you don't have to scroll) However, there seems to be a server problem of some kind now: www.europython.org gives forbidden access, while www.europython.org/index_html is ok. I've notified the Amaze people Ps. The problems with my email address (tom@aragne.com) should be gone now. Regards, Tom. From js@aixtraware.de Fri May 10 13:36:54 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:36:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner In-Reply-To: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <146350000.1021034214@[10.2.1.1]> No, just select day =3D 0 (just added) and time 0:00, you can plan later by = editing these. --On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20 wrote: > Hi there, > > A suggestion for the talk planner; I have of course no idea yet what = times > to fill in for these talks, or on what day they will be. I hope that = isn't > going to screw things up. > > Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I > think we need that. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From denis@aragne.com Fri May 10 13:42:36 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:42:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with the mail at aragne In-Reply-To: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <20020510144236.F1158@carolo.net> Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:59:33AM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > > I can't send mail to Tom Deprez. Should be OK now. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From js@aixtraware.de Fri May 10 13:46:19 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:46:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner In-Reply-To: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <147050000.1021034779@[10.2.1.1]> --On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20 wrote: > > Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I > think we need that. > by the magic of rapid development, there is now a biography entry ;-) Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" Hi, EuroPython server problems are fixed! Wow, that was fast! Thanks Amaze. Regards, Tom. From js@aixtraware.de Fri May 10 13:52:06 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 14:52:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] talk planner weird In-Reply-To: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <147860000.1021035126@[10.2.1.1]> I only see one entry. --On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:13:10 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20 wrote: > Hi there, > > I just did the entry for Armin Rigo, and somehow his name is repeated > twice in the overview, while I cannot seem to correct this on the form. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:16:50 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:16:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management In-Reply-To: References: <3CD96533.DEA05D57@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020510131650.GA2575@vet.uu.nl> Juergen Hermann wrote: > On Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > >* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run > > by Tim Couper and myself) > > Anyone interested in a XML BOF? I'd be delighted! Regards, Martijn From lac@strakt.com Fri May 10 14:15:49 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:15:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Problem with the mail at aragne In-Reply-To: Message from Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?= of "Fri, 10 May 2002 14:42:36 +0200." <20020510144236.F1158@carolo.net> References: <200205100659.g4A6xX0P001912@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <20020510144236.F1158@carolo.net> Message-ID: <200205101315.g4ADFnjX003335@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 08:59:33AM +0200, Laura Creighton pianota: > > > > I can't send mail to Tom Deprez. > > Should be OK now. > > Denis Thanks very much, Denis. Laura From Tom Deprez" Hi, Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? Do they need some changes? I don't have an A3 color printer and I'm curious if the posters are looking nice enough. Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:32:23 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:32:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] server problems? In-Reply-To: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020510133223.GA2923@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi, > > I've changed the home page. Please look if it's ok now (ie that you don't > have to scroll) No sideways scrolling, which was my main problem. Still need to scroll down to see the start of the text, but that's okay. Thanks! Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:22:12 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:22:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers PART II In-Reply-To: <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > please note that by vote during the last chat, the PythonHackersTrack is > restored to it's original name : Python & Jython. > (information see on the chat log of 6 may) Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing how this makes sense. It doesn't make much sense anyway to call it the 'Python' track, on a python conference.. I should've remembered the IRC chat.. Regards, Martijn From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 10 14:36:20 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:36:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] PDF Posters In-Reply-To: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020510153501.0229f640@pop.swing.be> At 15:26 10/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Hi, > >Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? Do they need some >changes? >I don't have an A3 color printer and I'm curious if the posters are looking >nice enough. I printed 1 A4... The only problem I have is that the abstract is maybe a little too crowded to be read. I mean it would need somme more whitespace... The rest of the design is very good IMHO at least. >Regards, >Tom. > > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:31:27 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:31:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming Message-ID: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I think 'Python and Jython' for the thing formerly named Python Hackers track is a bad name. It implies it'll be mostly about Jython, while Jython is just one talk in a whole bunch. I suggest we rename it to something like the "Python Language" track, even though this describes the contents of the track less well than Python Hackers. This is after all a track about cool hacks, big and small, with the Python language. I won't argue about the PR stuff though, even though this might educate people on the true meaning of the word 'hacker' :) Anyway, so let's call it 'Python Language' for now, until a better description comes along. Can we change this on the published schedule? Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for the former, and I imagine this will remain the case. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020510133223.GA2923@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <057901c1f827$c24db4d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > No sideways scrolling, which was my main problem. Still need to scroll > down to see the start of the text, but that's okay. Ok. On which resolution are you browsing? Do other people have the same problems? Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:37:55 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:37:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting? Message-ID: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:40:08 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] talk planner weird In-Reply-To: <147860000.1021035126@[10.2.1.1]> References: <20020510121310.GC2452@vet.uu.nl> <147860000.1021035126@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <20020510134008.GA2994@vet.uu.nl> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > I only see one entry. On the overview page: http://www.aixtraware.de/EuroDe/Talks/ it says: 1 PythonHackers 0:00 Armin Rigo Armin Rigo Psyco I think a single Armin should be enough. :) Regards, Martijn From denis@aragne.com Fri May 10 14:40:00 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] PDF Posters In-Reply-To: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <055f01c1f826$582dd950$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020510154000.B13374@carolo.net> Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:26:51PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > Hi, > > Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? I printed the A4 one. It's quite good on my color deskjet (out of margin on my bw laserjet). > Do they need some changes? The text is not attractive enough. Well, it's not a question of fonts or any technical problem : I'm speaking from a marketing point of view. Would someone have a brilliant idea ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <057f01c1f828$8240f540$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > please note that by vote during the last chat, the PythonHackersTrack is > > restored to it's original name : Python & Jython. > > (information see on the chat log of 6 may) > > Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing > how this makes sense. > It doesn't make much sense anyway to call it the 'Python' track, on a python conference.. Don't know if it doesn't make sence. This track handles on the programming language 'Python', while others handle on the business, applications, etc of Python. Since the track really handles on the programming language, I don't think it's that weird to call it a Python track. The main reason of not choosing Python Hackers is the that hackers are regulary mistaken with the wrong group of people... ie crackers. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <059101c1f828$e11080e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Dear Europythonas, > > Great work on the new website. > > I have added a banner add to the 70South site's ad queue. Marvelous! Thanks a lot! >Is there anyway else for people (that like me, who are python programming challenged) to assist? Besides hotel info translation that is ;-) Do you've something in mind that you could help on? Ie in which direction and more important how much time can put into it :-) > I look forward to the conference Me too, I hope there are more people with the same idea :-) Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:47:39 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:47:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Martelli talk Message-ID: <20020510134739.GA3068@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I just saw the Alex Martelli talk listed under tutorials in the wiki as well as under the Python Hackers^H^HLanguage track. Which is it going to be? (it is only natural that some talks are going to have a more tutorial like nature than others, and that this isn't a problem, even if not officially a tutorial, so this could be in both tracks) Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <059701c1f829$59714e70$1e71a8c0@u10136> > >Hi, > > > >Didn't somebody already printed the posters? Are they OK? Do they need some > >changes? > >I don't have an A3 color printer and I'm curious if the posters are looking > >nice enough. > > I printed 1 A4... > > The only problem I have is that the abstract is maybe a little too crowded to be read. Yes, I was afraid of this as well. Don't know how we can fix it dough. More whitespace would probably make that textbox too big. I think we should shorten the abstract.... have to look into it. Are other people having the same idea (ie concerning the abstract box?) Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:49:52 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:49:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] server problems? In-Reply-To: <057901c1f827$c24db4d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <04a401c1f81f$229b4400$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510133223.GA2923@vet.uu.nl> <057901c1f827$c24db4d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020510134952.GA3172@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > > No sideways scrolling, which was my main problem. Still need to scroll > > down to see the start of the text, but that's okay. > > Ok. On which resolution are you browsing? > Do other people have the same problems? This is 1024x768 desktop, but my browser window never covers my whole screen. Anyway, it's not a big deal anymore as at least the news is immediately obviously present. Regards, Martijn From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 10 14:50:44 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:50:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Day 3 Management In-Reply-To: <20020510131650.GA2575@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > Juergen Hermann wrote: > > On Wed, 08 May 2002 19:49:39 +0200, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > > >* "Business BoF" with approx. 45 minutes (run > > > by Tim Couper and myself) > > > > Anyone interested in a XML BOF? > > I'd be delighted! I think several logilab hackers would attend that one :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From denis@aragne.com Fri May 10 14:53:49 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:53:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting? In-Reply-To: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net> Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:37:55PM +0200, Martijn Faassen pianota: > Hi there, > > We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the > EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this? That could be an activity for Friday PM. I think we should also have a web based vote for those who won't be able to show up in Charleroi. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi there, > > I think 'Python and Jython' for the thing formerly named Python Hackers > track is a bad name. It implies it'll be mostly about Jython, while > Jython is just one talk in a whole bunch. > > I suggest we rename it to something like the "Python Language" track, even > though this describes the contents of the track less well than Python > Hackers. This is after all a track about cool hacks, big and small, > with the Python language. I won't argue about the PR stuff though, even > though this might educate people on the true meaning of the word 'hacker' :) > > Anyway, so let's call it 'Python Language' for now, until a better description > comes along. Can we change this on the published schedule? > > Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps > some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we > will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for > the former, and I imagine this will remain the case. Argh, not again this discussion. I'd hoped this discussion was closed on the last chat, everybody agreed ;-) Mmm, I don't know that people would think as they see 'Python & Jython', that it will handle only on Jython. Lets put it on the chat program for monday. But let us not discuss about this too much, there are points to handle which are more urgent Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 14:40:51 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 15:40:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] suggestion for the talk planner In-Reply-To: <147050000.1021034779@[10.2.1.1]> References: <20020510120833.GB2452@vet.uu.nl> <147050000.1021034779@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <20020510134051.GA3017@vet.uu.nl> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > --On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 14:08:33 +0200 Martijn Faassen > wrote: > > > >Anyway, I just discovered there is no 'bio' field for the speaker. I > >think we need that. > > by the magic of rapid development, there is now a biography entry ;-) Great! Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net> Message-ID: <05c901c1f82a$aacfe230$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the > > EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this? > > That could be an activity for Friday PM. > I think we should also have a web based vote for those who won't be able to show up in Charleroi. Yes, like me :-(. I won't be there on friday PM. Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi all, In order to allow Joachims registration products to work on EuroPython the need rised to have our own Zope Instance. Gladly the people at Amaze are so nice, that they gave one right away. At the moment, I'm trying to migrate the content to the other sever. So, please, do not change anything on the website and wiki's. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <05ff01c1f830$64388970$1e71a8c0@u10136> Ok, Migration should be complete. For now, you can go to http://europython2.zope.nl to make your changes. Soon www.europython .org domain will point to this server. I couldn't move over the users, so if you want to have access again, please send me a mail. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Deprez" To: Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:25 PM Subject: [EuroPython] New EuroPython Server > Hi all, > > In order to allow Joachims registration products to work on EuroPython the > need rised to have our own Zope Instance. > Gladly the people at Amaze are so nice, that they gave one right away. > > At the moment, I'm trying to migrate the content to the other sever. So, > please, do not change anything on the website and wiki's. > > Regards, > Tom. > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From lozinski@jobmart.com Fri May 10 17:15:32 2002 From: lozinski@jobmart.com (lozinski@jobmart.com) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 09:15:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Mac OS X Track? In-Reply-To: <20020510135601.13064.48998.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <1020510091532.5505AAC/S.lozinski@maya> With the newest release of Python Card on Mac OS X, and of wing IDE on Mac OS X, I am wondering if you are considering having a Python on Mac OS X track? My reading is that it might generate huge attention right now. Regards Chris 1-510-795-6086 lozinski@openstepnews.com lozinski@jobmart.com From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 17:20:57 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:20:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming In-Reply-To: <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020510162057.GA3652@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Argh, not again this discussion. I'd hoped this discussion was closed on the > last chat, everybody agreed ;-) It's my fault for not being there, but I *am* organizing this track! Consider also the discussion was *opened* at last chat apparently. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 10 17:22:15 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:22:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Mac OS X Track? In-Reply-To: <1020510091532.5505AAC/S.lozinski@maya> References: <20020510135601.13064.48998.Mailman@mail.python.org> <1020510091532.5505AAC/S.lozinski@maya> Message-ID: <20020510162215.GA3703@vet.uu.nl> lozinski@jobmart.com wrote: > With the newest release of Python Card on Mac OS X, and of wing IDE on Mac OS > X, I am wondering if you are considering having a Python on Mac OS X track? > > My reading is that it might generate huge attention right now. It is too late to organize a track. If you'd like to organize a talk (if it can be fitted in) or lightning talk or BoF, go ahead. Regards, Martijn From js@aixtraware.de Fri May 10 17:23:37 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 18:23:37 +0200 Subject: [ez] Re: [EuroPython] EuroZope members meeting? In-Reply-To: <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net> References: <20020510133755.GA2978@vet.uu.nl> <20020510155349.C13374@carolo.net> Message-ID: <161910000.1021047817@[10.2.1.1]> Dennis, I remember that you also were not available on friday PM. I generally think = friday PM is not a good idea, I would perfer wednesday or thursday evening. --On Freitag, Mai 10, 2002 15:53:49 +0200 Denis Fr=E8re =20 wrote: > Le Fri, May 10, 2002 at 03:37:55PM +0200, Martijn Faassen pianota: >> Hi there, >> >> We announced a meeting of EuroZope Foundation members and such at the >> EuroPython conference. What's the planning on this? > > That could be an activity for Friday PM. > I think we should also have a web based vote for those who won't be > able to show up in Charleroi. > > Denis > > -- > Denis FRERE > P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org > OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org > Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com > > _____________________________________________________ > EuroZope mailing list http://www.eurozope.org > EuroZope@comlounge.net > https://admin.comlounge.net/mailman/listinfo/eurozope best regards Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman) ---------------------------------------------------------- EuroZope e.V. H=FCsgenstr. 33a D-52457 Aldenhoven Germany phone: +49-2464-8851 fax : +49-2464-905163 ---------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 key server: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <059d01c1f82a$385983f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510162057.GA3652@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <069e01c1f842$0f333a30$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > Argh, not again this discussion. I'd hoped this discussion was closed on the > > last chat, everybody agreed ;-) > > It's my fault for not being there, but I *am* organizing this track! Consider also the discussion was *opened* at last chat apparently. The discussion started before the last chat, just after I created the first versions of the time schedule (must have been the evening of the first chat). I think you could find mails about that in the europython mail archives. In fact, I don't care how the track is named (well depends :-)) , we only need a concensus. I know that you're organizing the track, but let's discuss this point on the chat of monday. What I mean is, let us now focus on other more urgent matters and handle this topic next chat. What do you think? Regards, Tom From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 10 22:13:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:13:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] To all track managers References: <02f501c1f76c$56a5f550$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CDC37E2.28B86098@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi, > > There or only two track descriptions posted on this list (Python In Science > And Industry and Zope). > > Would the other (Python & Jython; Python Business; Python Applications; Web > Services) please find some time to make a small track description. > If everybody is ready, we can post this on the web as well. The descriptions for business and web services track are in the wiki. If those are not appropriate, please tell us. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 10 22:26:34 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:26:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Jython (To all track managers PART II) References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CDC3B0A.6AEA6FA3@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing > how this makes sense. Is Finn Bock coming to the conference ? If not, please invite him ! I really do think that we should give more focus to Jython -- it's the perfect entry point for Java programmers and businesses which (for some reason) are bound to the Java model. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 10 22:29:11 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 23:29:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CDC3BA7.EA394C2C@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Hi there, > > I think 'Python and Jython' for the thing formerly named Python Hackers > track is a bad name. It implies it'll be mostly about Jython, while > Jython is just one talk in a whole bunch. > > I suggest we rename it to something like the "Python Language" track, even > though this describes the contents of the track less well than Python > Hackers. This is after all a track about cool hacks, big and small, > with the Python language. I won't argue about the PR stuff though, even > though this might educate people on the true meaning of the word 'hacker' :) > > Anyway, so let's call it 'Python Language' for now, until a better description > comes along. Can we change this on the published schedule? No discussion about this, please ! We've had the decision on the IRC meeting and that's it. I'd rather like to see more Jython talks than discussions about the track name. > Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps > some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we > will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for > the former, and I imagine this will remain the case. That's for the track champions to decide :-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all, First with our own instance of a Zope Server (thanks Amaze), we're now able to use the products of Joachim, this means several things: 1) Online payment through a Zope/Python interface! Soon ready, so stay tuned to buy the entrance tickets :-) 2) _trackmanagers_: edit/add your track information now at http://www.europython.org/Talks; You still need the same login infomation. We'll work further on a user interface for the visitors of the site. (cheers and many thanks to Joachim) Several other points, like the hot-topic 'booths', are discussed and we'll announce the result very soon! Regards, Tom. From bh@intevation.de Sat May 11 19:27:27 2002 From: bh@intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog) Date: 11 May 2002 20:27:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Sketch Talk Message-ID: <6qoffmr14g.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> Hi all, the PythonApplicationsTrack wiki page[1] says that there's "no fixed deadline for proposals yet, but it'll have to be soon from now". I'm not sure whether this part has been kept up to date. Is it still possible to propose a talk? I'd like to give a talk about Sketch. Bernhard [1] http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PythonApplicationsTrack -- Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ Sketch http://sketch.sourceforge.net/ MapIt! http://www.mapit.de/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all, I hope you are still with us. I can imagine that several people, who don't regulary follow this mailing list, will have problems following everything. Therefor I made this summary. If others find out that I missed something, sorry. What happened this week? --------------------------- * To your request: We created posters and images in all sorts of formats: use them well. (Let us know concerning improvements of these) * Special email address: if you are in need of some serious informaton and don't know whom to ask or didn't get an answer from another person. We'll try to answer your questions to the best we can and if possible forward your question to the person in charge of those topics. * A contact page is added, now it includes the special address * Registration page: almost finished. Several payments are possible * You can order a T-shirt at the soon to be release registration page. * Booths page: almost finished * Website: Introduction of a Tips, Contact, Gadgets, Floorplan and Sessions page. The Sessions page will contain all talk related material. At the moment it contains the time schedule (which was earlier a main link) and the Track descriptions. (If I made a mistake concerning the descriptions, let me know or change it yourself). * We received our own Zope instance and secure access to the server from the Amaze people. Now we've full control over our database and zope instance. * ReportLab people are starting on the dynamically creation of brochures, time schedules etc. These can be donwloaded by the visitors before they come to the congress. * Zope Tutorial Day AM is filled. Jim Fulton will give the whole morning a Zope3 tutorial. * A Zope3 sprint is announced! This will happen the days before the congress and is hosted by Aragne. If you want to work on Zope3 during this sprint, please contact paul@zope.com Planned topics for next week: ----------------------------- 1. Chat on Monday 17:00h. Started to add points for the next chat: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay13 ; Please, if you know of something, add them to the list or contact us and we'll add them or we'll give the answer to you. 2. Activating the registration of booths page 3. Activating the registration page 4. Creation of the talks information page for visitors. 5. Creation of sponsor page (possible ways to spend your company money on EuroPython - apart from hiring a booth) And now, I'm going to take a break :-) Have a nice weekend, Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" If people don't know what to do this weekend, they can: 1. Add the contactpersons of the different tracks to the track information (you can find this information on the wiki) 2. Make a user interface which queries the Talks database for talks. On: Day: Gives all the talks of that day Track: Gives all the talks of that track Session : Give all the talks of that session Or any possible combination of the above. Thanks, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 11 20:38:52 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:38:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Jython (To all track managers PART II) In-Reply-To: <3CDC3B0A.6AEA6FA3@lemburg.com> References: <035601c1f777$14920f90$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020510120238.GA1728@vet.uu.nl> <048001c1f81b$ccac8bb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020510132212.GA2846@vet.uu.nl> <3CDC3B0A.6AEA6FA3@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020511193852.GA5957@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > > > Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing > > how this makes sense. > > Is Finn Bock coming to the conference ? If not, please invite > him ! He's giving the talk. :) > I really do think that we should give more focus > to Jython -- it's the perfect entry point for Java programmers > and businesses which (for some reason) are bound to the Java > model. Sure, I also asked Samuele Pedroni to give a talk, but I haven't gotten a response yet. I'll mail him. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 11 20:42:31 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 11 May 2002 21:42:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] the python & jython track naming In-Reply-To: <3CDC3BA7.EA394C2C@lemburg.com> References: <20020510133127.GA2867@vet.uu.nl> <3CDC3BA7.EA394C2C@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020511194231.GC5957@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > No discussion about this, please ! We've had the decision on the > IRC meeting and that's it. I think the person organizing the track ought to have at some input on this! I put it on the agenda again for the next IRC chat. > > Considering the program anyway, we should take a look at shifting perhaps > > some talks from 'Python Language' into 'Python Applications'; thus far we > > will have more people willing to give talks for the latter than for > > the former, and I imagine this will remain the case. > > That's for the track champions to decide :-) Sure, and I'm the track champions (along with Shae Erisson for the app track), in case this wasn't clear. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <054501c1f94d$98749620$8e8d84d5@skullsplitter> > If people don't know what to do this weekend, they can: > > 1. Add the contactpersons of the different tracks to the track information > (you can find this information on the wiki) Sorry, did this one myself already. :-) It was too important to let it wait a few days > 2. Make a user interface which queries the Talks database for talks. On: > > Day: Gives all the talks of that day > Track: Gives all the talks of that track > Session : Give all the talks of that session > > Or any possible combination of the above. Regards, Tom. From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 13 08:29:54 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 09:29:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Sketch Talk In-Reply-To: <6qoffmr14g.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513092830.01d04dd0@pop.swing.be> At 20:27 11/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote: >Hi all, > >the PythonApplicationsTrack wiki page[1] says that there's "no fixed >deadline for proposals yet, but it'll have to be soon from now". I'm not >sure whether this part has been kept up to date. Is it still possible to >propose a talk? I'd like to give a talk about Sketch. I am not in charge of Python Applications. But if I followed this list well, I think you can go and send a proposal... > Bernhard > >[1] http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PythonApplicationsTrack > >-- >Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ >Sketch http://sketch.sourceforge.net/ >MapIt! http://www.mapit.de/ > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Mon May 13 10:00:30 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 11:00:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] LSM 2002 - Expert tutorial Message-ID: <3CDF80AE.B82626BE@onera.fr> Hi all, we have the LSM 2002 in Bordeaux (France), the third edition of a free and open Open Source meeting (July 9th/13th). This year again, we're having a Python track and I'm looking for a Python expert tutorial, in English. I'll make a french presentation of Python, covering large topics and first steps of programming. The expert tutorial should go deeper, its target is an audience of good developpers, already knowing Perl, Python, C++ or Java... There is a possibility of classrooms with practical training. Let me know if you're interested with this tutorial. Marcvs [alias Any other suggestions are welcome] From Marc.Poinot@onera.fr Mon May 13 12:29:27 2002 From: Marc.Poinot@onera.fr (Marc Poinot) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 13:29:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list Message-ID: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> I wonder if you could put P.Dubois as guest on first page. I don't know what you're really meaning by guest, but P.Dubois is close enough to the history of Python to be in the front page. He will open the Python in science and industry track. Marcvs [alias Quest the guest or guess the quess] From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter> Sure! I've asked if people knew of other _well-known_ guest people, some time ago on this list. Therefor, let me know if there are other people as well! Regards,, tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Poinot" To: Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 1:29 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list > > I wonder if you could put P.Dubois as guest on first page. > I don't know what you're really meaning by guest, but P.Dubois > is close enough to the history of Python to be in the front page. > He will open the Python in science and industry track. > > Marcvs [alias Quest the guest or guess the quess] > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" The Chart starts within 5 minutes. From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 13 22:09:52 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:09:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students In-Reply-To: <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> Hi, I do not think we have decided about onsite fee for students. Or they get normal onsite 300 euros and it should be more explicit on the website. Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would propose 150 euros. This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit cards or (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of them showing on site with cash. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From denis@aragne.com Tue May 14 02:52:01 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:52:01 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Sketch Talk In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513092830.01d04dd0@pop.swing.be> References: <6qoffmr14g.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513092830.01d04dd0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020514035201.E6688@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:29:54AM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > At 20:27 11/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote: > > >Hi all, > > > >the PythonApplicationsTrack wiki page[1] says that there's "no fixed > >deadline for proposals yet, but it'll have to be soon from now". I'm > >not sure whether this part has been kept up to date. Is it still > >possible to propose a talk? I'd like to give a talk about Sketch. > > I am not in charge of Python Applications. > But if I followed this list well, I think you can go and send a > proposal... For me, I would be pleased to have you among us. I'm sure we'll find a hole in the program to stick you in. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Tue May 14 02:54:07 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 03:54:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020514035407.F6688@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > > Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would > propose 150 euros. > > This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit cards or > (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of them > showing on site with cash. +1 Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Tue May 14 09:11:00 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 10:11:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? Message-ID: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> Hi, I've looked a bit into the "Gadgets" section and would like to make some comments on it. First, I'm not sure "Gadgets" is the right word here. I think it is normaly used for little, more or less geekish devices, not for po- sters and other print material, but maybe the language has evolved quite a lot since last time I heard the word? Then, I'd expect the logo to appear at the top rather than at the bottom of the posters... And finally, all PDF files I've seen there have a "lousy" bitmap EPC logo, wich means they are not suited for printing. I have no idea how they were created, though. In any case I've converted the SVG version to PDF (using the tools I'm planning to present at the meeting) after changing only one line of the original code. The files are available here (if they are of any help): http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.svg http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.pdf where 'm' means 'modified'... You can convert other files with an on- line version of this, but will see a nagline at the bottom: http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/svg2pdf.html Regards, Dinu -- Dinu C. Gherman .......................................................................... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1961000/1961476.stm From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi, > > I've looked a bit into the "Gadgets" section and would like to make > some comments on it. > > First, I'm not sure "Gadgets" is the right word here. I think it is > normaly used for little, more or less geekish devices, not for po- > sters and other print material, but maybe the language has evolved > quite a lot since last time I heard the word? Sorry for my english, just give a better name and we'll change it. We're open for ideas.. > Then, I'd expect the logo to appear at the top rather than at the > bottom of the posters... Well.... We've asked a week ago if people had _better_ ideas. Nobody replied. If you can do it better, go ahead, we would be glad to add it to list. We can't do everything on our own. > And finally, all PDF files I've seen there have a "lousy" bitmap EPC > logo, wich means they are not suited for printing. I have no idea how > they were created, though. In any case I've converted the SVG version > to PDF (using the tools I'm planning to present at the meeting) after > changing only one line of the original code. We can only give what we have. Thanks, this is input we gladly except. >The files are available here (if they are of any help): > > http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.svg > http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/incoming/logo_a3m.pdf > > where 'm' means 'modified'... You can convert other files with an on- > line version of this, but will see a nagline at the bottom: I've put the above files in the list > > http://me.in-berlin.de/~darwin/svg/svg2pdf.html > > Regards, > > Dinu > > -- > Dinu C. Gherman > ........................................................................... > http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1961000/1961476.stm > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi Martijn, I'm not sure if you've read the log of the IRC Chat, but please do and give us the name you would like to see. Regards, Tom. From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Tue May 14 10:23:46 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:23:46 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? In-Reply-To: <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> Tom Deprez : > Sorry for my english, just give a better name and we'll change it. > We're open for ideas.. Maybe "Print Material" would be sufficiently clear? > > Then, I'd expect the logo to appear at the top rather than at the > > bottom of the posters... > > Well.... We've asked a week ago if people had _better_ ideas. > Nobody replied. [...] I'm sorry if it took a while for this tasklet to be swapped into my wetware... ;-) > > And finally, all PDF files I've seen there have a "lousy" bitmap EPC > > logo, wich means they are not suited for printing. [...] > > We can only give what we have. > Thanks, this is input we gladly except. Well, if you want it to print ok it needs to be vectorised, unless you want to blow it up to many Megabytes. Dinu From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 14 10:32:41 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:32:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] forgot chat again.. Message-ID: <20020514093241.GA12637@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I keep forgetting the monday chat and I feel rather stupid about it right now. We had a new freelancer in yesterday and this was rather distracting, but perhaps mondays aren't the best day for me to chat on, since I keep forgetting. Could we perhaps pick another day or another time (like the evening)? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 14 10:38:42 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:38:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Jython In-Reply-To: <027101c1fb26$6185eb20$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <027101c1fb26$6185eb20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020514093842.GA12650@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I'm not sure if you've read the log of the IRC Chat, but please do and give > us the name you would like to see. I feel really guilty about missing the IRC chat *again*, but thanks. I'd prefer the Python Language track, as opposed to the Python Applications track. The Python Language track includes stuff about its implementation, which includes alternative implementations such as Jython. Overall I think we should be extending the Python Applications track a bit into the Python Language track, as we seem to have more talks about Python Apps (and this is also of a wider interest). Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Hi, In case you didn't noticed yet, the official fees are online (online registration will be ready soon! We need to address some some thingies first) Further, we have introduced one way which is still possible for your company to sponsor the EuroPython2002 event. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Well, if you want it to print ok it needs to be vectorised, unless you > want to blow it up to many Megabytes. Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step forward and help us to improve the postors. Regards, Tom From chrisw@nipltd.com Tue May 14 11:29:20 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 11:29:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Well, if you want it to print ok it needs to be vectorised, unless you > > want to blow it up to many Megabytes. > > Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step forward > and help us to improve the postors. I do :-) What are you trying to get into vectors? Where will it be used? cheers, Chris From Tom Deprez" <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> Message-ID: <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step forward > > and help us to improve the postors. > > I do :-) > > What are you trying to get into vectors? Where will it be used? We would like to get the EuroPython2002 postors into vectors... And if people have a better idea concerning the design, we would like to put those into vectors... Tom. From chrisw@nipltd.com Tue May 14 12:16:35 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:16:35 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CE0F213.708228AE@nipltd.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > > Do some people have experience in this subject? If so please step > forward > > > and help us to improve the postors. > > > > I do :-) > > > > What are you trying to get into vectors? Where will it be used? > > We would like to get the EuroPython2002 postors into vectors... And if > people have a better idea concerning the design, we would like to put those > into vectors... Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and the sponsoring company logos down at the bottom. Who originated those? cheers, Chris From Tom Deprez" <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0F213.708228AE@nipltd.com> Message-ID: <033c01c1fb3a$e247b630$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and the sponsoring > company logos down at the bottom. Well, I guess we've the EuroPython logo vectorised. the company logo's are comming from the companies themself. Tom. > Who originated those? > > cheers, > > Chris > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From chrisw@nipltd.com Tue May 14 12:51:00 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 12:51:00 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? References: <1021363860.3ce0c694e9799@webmail.in-berlin.de> <025401c1fb26$06206580$1e71a8c0@u10136> <1021368226.3ce0d7a2537c4@webmail.in-berlin.de> <02c901c1fb2d$cf8933a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0E700.20E32F80@nipltd.com> <031f01c1fb33$ed31c3d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE0F213.708228AE@nipltd.com> <033c01c1fb3a$e247b630$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CE0FA24.BC2FFEC8@nipltd.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and the > sponsoring > > company logos down at the bottom. > > Well, I guess we've the EuroPython logo vectorised. If you have a vector-based EuroPython logo then how come a bitmap was included in the PDF? cheers, Chris From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 14 12:55:18 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:55:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? In-Reply-To: <033c01c1fb3a$e247b630$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > > Well, what you need to turn into Vectors are the EuroPython logo and > the sponsoring > company logos down at the bottom. > > Well, I guess we've the EuroPython logo vectorised. the company logo's > are comming from the companies themself. I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tiff be enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ? Who should I send it to ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From chrisw@nipltd.com Tue May 14 13:08:09 2002 From: chrisw@nipltd.com (Chris Withers) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 13:08:09 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? References: Message-ID: <3CE0FE29.86E58563@nipltd.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tiff be > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ? *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge... cheers, Chris From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 14 13:12:31 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:12:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? In-Reply-To: <3CE0FE29.86E58563@nipltd.com> Message-ID: > Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tiff be > > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ? > > *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge... So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is that someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know what you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print nicely in the documents. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Tue May 14 13:17:23 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1021378643.3ce10053cd712@webmail.in-berlin.de> Nicolas Chauvat : > So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is that > someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know > what you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print > nicely in the documents. Whoever got it into SVG is probably able to get it into the posters as well... http://europython.zope.nl/gadgets/files/logo_a3.svg Dinu From dario@ita.chalmers.se Tue May 14 13:47:04 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:47:04 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? References: Message-ID: <014b01c1fb45$73070680$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> From: "Nicolas Chauvat" > > Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > > > > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge tif= f be > > > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ? > > > > *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge... > > So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is that > someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know wh= at > you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print nicely in > the documents. > ehlo, sorry for stepping in in the middle of the discussion. TIFF is good for printing (I think uncompressed TIFF is best, even). No vectorising needed and really not very important for printing, as long as the bitmaps have the necessary resolution and size. IMPORTANT! Someone has to have info on what kind of resolution and format the printing company wants for bitmaps. Is EPSF OK for vector format? Not= e that saving bitmaps to epsf does not vectorise them. You just get huge epsfs... sometimes TIFF is better than epsf for bitmaps - but chek with t= he printing company. Keep two different versions of the material, one for downloading and one = for materials-printing (the huge one :-) /dario - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K=E4sten, dario@ita.chalmers.se IT Systems & Services System Developer/System Administrator Chalmers University of Tech. From Tom Deprez" <014b01c1fb45$73070680$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <03fa01c1fb46$b834e000$1e71a8c0@u10136> Euhm, there is _no_ printing company. The posters are just downloadable at the website for whoever wants to pri= nt them out and hang them on a wall... Several people would hang the posters on places as advertisements concern= ing EuroPython. This means that the posters are printed on a printer at peoples home/comp= any Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dario Lopez-K=E4sten" To: "Nicolas Chauvat" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 2:47 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? > From: "Nicolas Chauvat" > > > > > Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > > > > > > I don't have a vector version of our logo at hand. Would a huge t= iff > be > > > > enough for someone to turn it into a vectorized format ? > > > > > > *blech* A huge TIFF would be, well, huge... > > > > So ? I do not have a tool to vectorize images. My understanding is th= at > > someone does and was offering to do the conversion. Just let me know what > > you need from me in order to get my logo to display and print nicely = in > > the documents. > > > > ehlo, sorry for stepping in in the middle of the discussion. > > TIFF is good for printing (I think uncompressed TIFF is best, even). No > vectorising needed and really not very important for printing, as long = as > the bitmaps have the necessary resolution and size. > > IMPORTANT! Someone has to have info on what kind of resolution and form= at > the printing company wants for bitmaps. Is EPSF OK for vector format? N= ote > that saving bitmaps to epsf does not vectorise them. You just get huge > epsfs... sometimes TIFF is better than epsf for bitmaps - but chek with the > printing company. > > Keep two different versions of the material, one for downloading and on= e for > materials-printing (the huge one :-) > > /dario > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dario Lopez-K=E4sten, dario@ita.chalmers.se IT Systems & Service= s > System Developer/System Administrator Chalmers University of Tech. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From dario@ita.chalmers.se Tue May 14 14:18:05 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 15:18:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] "Gadgets"? References: <014b01c1fb45$73070680$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> <03fa01c1fb46$b834e000$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <015c01c1fb49$c8d8a470$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> From: "Tom Deprez" > Euhm, there is _no_ printing company. > oh... right. Didn't get that part :-) Cheers, /dario From mvm@brutele.be Tue May 14 16:07:01 2002 From: mvm@brutele.be (Vincent) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 17:07:01 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] [EuroPython]: Print Material Message-ID: <001601c1fb59$009f1010$bbff44d4@gfx1> C'est un message de format MIME en plusieurs parties. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1FB69.C3B3C180 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Check the new ".PDF" here : http://europython.zope.nl/gadgets/files/new_poster_a4.pdf See you soon, Vincent Maton. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1FB69.C3B3C180 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C1FB69.C3B3C180-- From Tom Deprez" Hi, The information concerning booth rents during the EuroPython event is online now. If you're interested in hiring a booth, have a look at the page and let us know what you think. There are two possibilities : http://www.europython.org/exhibitors While you're at our site, have also look at the Sponsorship page, which shows a way for your company to sponsor this event and the possible forthcomming events during the next years: http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring Thanks, Tom. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 14 21:29:18 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:29:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Information concerning Booth rents are now available! In-Reply-To: <111901c1fb85$c0d98eb0$598d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > The information concerning booth rents during the EuroPython event is > online now. If you're interested in hiring a booth, have a look at the > page and let us know what you think. There are two possibilities : > http://www.europython.org/exhibitors Nice. BTW, where is the info concerning bank transfer ? I quickly search the site and the zope instance thru the manage interface but couldn't find the page about IBAN/SWIFT numbers that got mentionned yesterday on IRC. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <116301c1fb8b$d875cfb0$598d84d5@skullsplitter> Ah, yes, Well, I've put them on the online register page. Since you need to fill in a form for a booth, and you receive an invoice after filling it in, I didn't thought it was needed, but I'll add it. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Information concerning Booth rents are now available! > The information concerning booth rents during the EuroPython event is > online now. If you're interested in hiring a booth, have a look at the > page and let us know what you think. There are two possibilities : > http://www.europython.org/exhibitors Nice. BTW, where is the info concerning bank transfer ? I quickly search the site and the zope instance thru the manage interface but couldn't find the page about IBAN/SWIFT numbers that got mentionned yesterday on IRC. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From gotcha@swing.be Wed May 15 08:08:59 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 09:08:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students In-Reply-To: <20020514035407.F6688@carolo.net> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be> At 03:54 14/05/2002, Denis Fr=E8re wrote: >Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > > > > Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would > > propose 150 euros. > > > > This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit=20 > cards or > > (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of= =20 > them > > showing on site with cash. > >+1 > >Denis Do I need more approval about the student onsite fee... or do I add it=20 directly to the web page ? Thanks to give your opinion. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From denis@aragne.com Wed May 15 10:16:10 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:16:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020515111610.M14255@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 15, 2002 at 09:08:59AM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > >> Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would > >> propose 150 euros. > > > >+1 > > Do I need more approval about the student onsite fee... or do I add it > directly to the web page ? Do it ! :-) Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed May 15 10:13:31 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 11:13:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] ShareIT Message-ID: <20020515111331.L14255@carolo.net> I tried twice to take a ShareIT account. The first time, I waited for some days, then I wrote a mail and got an answer : "We can't find your subscription, do it again". So I filled again the 5 pages form and I'm still waiting for an answer. I guess they don't use Python. :-( Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020515090800.00af78e8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <00f001c1fbf4$61a85ba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> 150 euro is already a lot more for students and sometimes they can't deci= de quickly if they are able to come. I would propose 125 EUR (or just leave it 100 for studetns?) Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Godefroid Chapelle" To: "Denis Fr=E8re" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students > At 03:54 14/05/2002, Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > > >Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > > > > > > Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I wou= ld > > > propose 150 euros. > > > > > > This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit > > cards or > > > (swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many= of > > them > > > showing on site with cash. > > > >+1 > > > >Denis > > Do I need more approval about the student onsite fee... or do I add it > directly to the web page ? > > Thanks to give your opinion. > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 15 11:21:21 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:21:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: ShareIT References: <20020515111331.L14255@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CE236A1.6010002@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > I tried twice to take a ShareIT account. >=20 > The first time, I waited for some days, then I wrote a mail and got an > answer : "We can't find your subscription, do it again". >=20 > So I filled again the 5 pages form and I'm still waiting for an answer. Could you send me some information about the registration so that I can phone them up ? E.g. the compnay name which you used in the registration. Thanks, --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 15 13:23:00 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:23:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] OnSite Fee for students References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <5.1.0.14.2.20020513230543.02789198@pop.swing.be> <20020514035407.F6688@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CE25324.1050808@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > Le Mon, May 13, 2002 at 11:09:52PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: >=20 >>Or they get another fee which we should decide : In this case I would=20 >>propose 150 euros. >> >>This is not a small problem as students have less access to credit card= s or=20 >>(swift transfers :-) and we should make sure we do not get too many of = them=20 >>showing on site with cash. >=20 >=20 > +1 +1 I've updated the fee page accordingly. --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 15 13:51:19 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 14:51:19 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] talks Message-ID: Hi, I'd like the talks I added via europython.org/Talks to start showing up on the website. What should I do ? If some zpt writing is needed I will take care of it. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 15 14:03:40 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:03:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] talks References: Message-ID: <3CE25CAC.1030802@lemburg.com> Please do whatever is necessary to display the track information under /sessions/talks. Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > I'd like the talks I added via europython.org/Talks to start showing up on > the website. What should I do ? If some zpt writing is needed I will take > care of it. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 15 14:07:09 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 15:07:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] talks In-Reply-To: <3CE25CAC.1030802@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > Please do whatever is necessary to display the track information > under /sessions/talks. Sure, that's what I intend doing. If the person who made the Talks product could give me an insight on its working, that would save me time... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Samuele Pedroni" M.-A. Lemburg mal@lemburg.com Fri, 10 May 2002 23:26:34 +0200 >Martijn Faassen wrote: >> >> Weird -- we'll just have a single talk about Jython, so I'm not seeing >> how this makes sense. > >Is Finn Bock coming to the conference ? If not, please invite >him ! > >I really do think that we should give more focus >to Jython -- it's the perfect entry point for Java programmers >and businesses which (for some reason) are bound to the Java >model. Someone already pointed it out: Finn will be there and will give a talk on the progress of Jython 2.2, I will be there too. Honestly I don't think that EuroPython with 1 vs. 2 Jython talks will attract a lot of Java shops. The Jython books target Java programmers, or talks on scripting/Jython at Java venues (btw jython users have given such talks). regards. From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 15 15:10:03 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 16:10:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] talks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5960000.1021471803@[10.2.1.1]> Hi Nicolas, did you look at the zpt's in the Talks-folder ? If you take "view" as an=20 example how to create your own view. If you have any questions please ask --On Mittwoch, Mai 15, 2002 15:07:09 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20 wrote: >> Please do whatever is necessary to display the track information >> under /sessions/talks. > > Sure, that's what I intend doing. If the person who made the Talks = product > could give me an insight on its working, that would save me time... > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris > (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 15 16:58:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 17:58:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] forgot chat again.. References: <20020514093241.GA12637@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE2858E.1020207@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > I keep forgetting the monday chat and I feel rather stupid about it right > now. We had a new freelancer in yesterday and this was rather distracting, > but perhaps mondays aren't the best day for me to chat on, since I keep > forgetting. Could we perhaps pick another day or another time (like > the evening)? No. It has worked fine for everybody so far. Why don't you get yourself one of these nice little beeping PDAs with Python on it ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 15 17:19:30 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 18:19:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] talks In-Reply-To: <5960000.1021471803@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: > Hi Nicolas, > > did you look at the zpt's in the Talks-folder ? If you take "view" as an > example how to create your own view. If you have any questions please ask Good, I'll do that. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Ok, I've been called away a few times, therefor some delay and I'll promise I'll finish it this night, but now I first have to prepare something else. For now, you'll have to do with the no-yet-official-released-page http://www.europython.org/sessions/talks As told, I'll finish this up soon. If I received all test results from the registration page and received solutions of the few existing problems and the missing parts, then I first finish the registration page, and the above has to wait a little bit. Regards, Rom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Deprez" To: "Nicolas Chauvat" Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 6:24 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] talks > Hi Nicolas, > > > > did you look at the zpt's in the Talks-folder ? If you take "view" as an > example how to create your own view. If you have any questions please ask > > Good, I'll do that. > > Creation of this is planned on this week. (See summary mail and my request > if people want to have directly) > > I'm working on it now. (Just read your mail) > > Regards, > Tom. > From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 10:46:14 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:46:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] apologies Message-ID: <20020516094614.GA18007@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I've been dropping the ball on some EuroPython organizational stuff recently, and I just wanted to publically apologize for this. (insert real life busy excuses here) I'll better my life. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 10:54:30 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:54:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks Message-ID: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet; if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the info we have is correct. (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be renamed to PythonLanguage by the way). See: http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 10:58:17 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 11:58:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Guest list In-Reply-To: <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <3CDFA397.A2391866@onera.fr> <017c01c1fa73$04f78d40$598d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020516095817.GD18007@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I've asked if people knew of other _well-known_ guest people, some time ago > on this list. Therefor, let me know if there are other people as well! I'd also add Christian Tismer, except that he hasn't confirmed entirely yet in that he hasn't submitted an abstract. I'll mail him again. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 11:02:49 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:02:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: view on talks In-Reply-To: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020516100249.GA18184@vet.uu.nl> [snip silly worries] Hi there, I just realized the 'status' field is of course to determine what parts of the view should be public. So forget the previous note. :) Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 11:02:36 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:02:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE383BC.80208@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case > we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and > reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks > from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet; > if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the > info we have is correct. > > (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial > track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be > renamed to PythonLanguage by the way). > > See: > > http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view We're working on this. For now, please maintain the correct list of talks and details about the speakers on the wiki page. These pages are the reference we use, not the talks database which is there just to make querying things easier for visitors. We'll then give note when it's time to copy the data into the Talks database. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:54 AM Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks > Hi there, > > Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case > we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and > reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks > from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet; > if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the > info we have is correct. I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now. www.europython.org/sessions/talks (I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted it already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) ) It's not made public, yet! > (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial > track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be > renamed to PythonLanguage by the way). Forget about that name in the database, we leave it like that. We change the string of it in the view (see combo boxes) > See: > > http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 11:14:08 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:14:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] added the Python Apps talks Message-ID: <20020516101408.GA18201@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I've just added the Python Applications talks to the talk database: http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/ Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 11:16:25 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:16:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers Message-ID: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> After some private discussion among the most active people on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling and making sure that things move in the right direction. Since all of us are in this on a voluntary basis, we chose to form a three member committee which will play the role of decision maker and external contact for the conference. The three members are: * Denis Frere * Tom Deprez * Marc-Andre Lemburg This team is reachable via the central email address europython@p3b.org Hopefully this step will help make the conference a success. We should have taken this step much earlier in the process, but then you always know better in the end... Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 11:21:59 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:21:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martijn Faassen" > To: > Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 11:54 AM > Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks > > > >>Hi there, >> >>Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case >>we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and >>reasonably complete before we do that. I asked Shae to transfer the talks >>from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet; >>if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the >>info we have is correct. > > > I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now. > www.europython.org/sessions/talks > > (I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted it > already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) ) Please only use this database as service, not as method for storing vital data ! The wiki track pages should be maintained and updated to reflect the current truth and the data copied into the track database only after the dust has settled on the track organization. > It's not made public, yet! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From js@aixtraware.de Thu May 16 11:22:56 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:22:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <55980000.1021544576@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, --On Donnerstag, Mai 16, 2002 11:54:30 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20 wrote: > Hi there, > > Is the plan to create public views on the talks listed? In that case > we'd probably need to make sure that the database is correct and > reasonably complete before we do that. > I asked Shae to transfer the talks > from the Python Apps track onto the database, but it hasn't happened yet; > if this is going into serious production we'll have to make sure the > info we have is correct. We don't have to worry about that, since everything is stored in the ZODB,=20 its easely extendable. > > (I understand for instance that Alex's talk is moving into the tutorial > track, but it's still listed in the PythonHackers track, which should be > renamed to PythonLanguage by the way). It is very easy to do, just go to the editview of that task and change the=20 trackname. and push change. The name in the dropdown box are now the=20 offical ones. The keys in the database remain the same. > > See: > > http://europython.zope.nl/Talks/view > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 11:36:33 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:36:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com> References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020516103633.GA18445@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now. > >www.europython.org/sessions/talks > >(I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted > >it > >already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) ) Ooh, pretty nice. :) > Please only use this database as service, not as method for storing > vital data! > > The wiki track pages should be maintained and updated > to reflect the current truth and the data copied into the track database > only after the dust has settled on the track organization. The database is pretty convenient to assign time blocks to talks and so on eventually, so is the plan to make the track database the 'true' version eventually, instead of the wiki? Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 11:43:34 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 12:43:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers In-Reply-To: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > After some private discussion among the most active people > on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive > Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling > and making sure that things move in the right direction. As the person who initially kicked off the ball I'd like to say I support the managers. They were definitely better at keeping it rolling than I was recently. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 12:19:10 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:19:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE395AE.30100@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>After some private discussion among the most active people >>on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive >>Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling >>and making sure that things move in the right direction. > > > As the person who initially kicked off the ball > I'd like to say I support the managers. They were definitely > better at keeping it rolling than I was recently. Thank you for your backup, Martijn. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 16 12:21:55 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:21:55 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: <3CE383BC.80208@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > We'll then give note when it's time to copy the data into the > Talks database. Too late for me and the PythonInScienceAndIndustry track, the Talks database is already up to date, but the wiki page is not any more. The wiki has become such a mess I barely use it any more and I'm afraid I don't have much time to clean it myself :-/ -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 12:23:50 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:23:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: <20020516095430.GC18007@vet.uu.nl> <01c301c1fcc1$37dc59c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CE38847.7030401@lemburg.com> <20020516103633.GA18445@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE396C6.3000600@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>>I've finished a mockup, have still some things to do, but it is ok for now. >>>www.europython.org/sessions/talks >> > >>>(I don't know what I've to do to make people aware of this link, I posted >>>it >>>already 3 or 4 times on this list :-) ) >> > > Ooh, pretty nice. :) Indeed. >>Please only use this database as service, not as method for storing >>vital data! >> >>The wiki track pages should be maintained and updated >>to reflect the current truth and the data copied into the track database >>only after the dust has settled on the track organization. > > > The database is pretty convenient to assign time blocks to talks and so on > eventually, so is the plan to make the track database the 'true' version > eventually, instead of the wiki? I think that editing the wiki is much easier than updating the data in that database. The data will eventually have to end up there as well, but for managing the conference, we need only one official place to look at. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi, Ok, I wrapped some things up (still things to do like limiting the amount of seen talks, etc), but www.europython.org/sessions/talks shows now only the talks with status 'accepted'. You can filter then on day and track in any combination. If it's ok for everybody, let me know and I'll activate it. Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 12:36:07 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:36:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: Message-ID: <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >>We'll then give note when it's time to copy the data into the >>Talks database. > > > Too late for me and the PythonInScienceAndIndustry track, the Talks > database is already up to date, but the wiki page is not any more. > > The wiki has become such a mess I barely use it any more and I'm afraid > I don't have much time to clean it myself :-/ Please, everybody, do update the wiki pages for your tracks. We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff, so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text based wiki approach. Note that the wiki can also contain other meta-information which is not meant for the general public to see, e.g. status information. I do like the database, but the wiki's just much easier to find and maintain. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From pedroni@inf.ethz.ch Thu May 16 12:32:58 2002 From: pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:32:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython? Message-ID: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> I'm forwarding this for rendundancy, in case life traps someone again (me, or Martjin) regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: Samuele Pedroni To: Martijn Faassen Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 1:11 PM Subject: Re: talk about Jython? > > From: Martijn Faassen > > Samuele Pedroni wrote: > > > Honestly I don't know how many Jython users will be present, > > > anyway the talk about the future of Jython by Finn and the > > > fact that we will be both physically present should more or less > > > cover their needs. > > > > I mailed you because the organizers of the conference would *like* > > more of a focus on Jython. This because there is also a business track > > and business people may be very interested in Python/Java integration. > > > > What we/I can do is mail jython-users and ask whether someone > will be present at EuroPython and want to give a kind of > ("Executive") summary on Jython/their experience on Jython. > And that they should contact you. > From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 13:02:32 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:02:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython? References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> Samuele Pedroni wrote: > [possibility to ask jython-users for talks] Thanks. I think it's a good idea to ask people on jython-users for this. What I personally would be very interested in is experience (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published through J2EE, etc. My point of view here is that Jython would be an ideal vehicule to bridge between the Python world and the Java world (and not so much focus on Jython as scripting tool for Java programmers). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From andy@reportlab.com Thu May 16 13:05:27 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:05:27 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff, > so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the > PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text > based wiki approach. I have been totally out of the loop this week, but last week I spoke to Joachim and Tom and we agreed ReportLab would pull data from the Zope site and/or from any databases they have behind it. Joachim has demonstrated an xml-rpc database connection for getting at the Zope data. I would strongly prefer to get the data from Zope. We need structured input and the Wiki definitely is not that. As a track organiser who's got catching up to do, I really prefer to put my data into Zope. As soon as I have done it I will slim down tyhe track Wiki page to say 'talks X/Y/X accepted; look in Zope; any new suggestions or comments can go here." Thanks, Andy From andy@reportlab.com Thu May 16 13:07:27 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 13:07:27 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython? In-Reply-To: <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > What I personally would be very interested in is experience > (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython > to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published > through J2EE, etc. > > My point of view here is that Jython would be an ideal > vehicule to bridge between the Python world and the > Java world (and not so much focus on Jython as scripting > tool for Java programmers). The tutorial track is currently thin and if Python Language is getting busy (or even if not), how about a short talk on one of these topics? I would really like to see this done with a "teach how to do it" focus rather than "we're all Jython-heads, lets' dive into details" and that was my vision for the Tutorial track. - Andy From Tom Deprez" <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <029d01c1fcd2$ec162310$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Please, everybody, do update the wiki pages for your tracks. > > We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff, > so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the > PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text > based wiki approach. Andy already has a connection to the track database, so I think there is no problem at all with using the track database. That's why it is set up. Regards, Tom. From Samuele Pedroni" <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> From: M.-A. Lemburg > Samuele Pedroni wrote: > > [possibility to ask jython-users for talks] > > Thanks. I think it's a good idea to ask people on jython-users > for this. > > What I personally would be very interested in is experience > (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython > to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published > through J2EE, etc. > Should I just send something, or do you (the organizers) want to come up with something more focused on what you would like to have. regards. From guido@python.org Thu May 16 13:45:06 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:45:06 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled? Message-ID: <200205161245.g4GCj6Y31707@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> Because of the busy traffic I've removed myself from the EuroPython list again (I think you guys are on the right track). But I have a pressing question. When's my keynote scheduled? --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 13:55:24 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:55:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: Message-ID: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com> Andy Robinson wrote: >>We need this data to do broschures and other print stuff, >>so unless Andy gives his OK that ReportLab can generate the >>PDF from the track database, we'll have to stick to the text >>based wiki approach. > > > I have been totally out of the loop this week, but > last week I spoke to Joachim and Tom and we agreed > ReportLab would pull data from the Zope site and/or > from any databases they have behind it. > > Joachim has demonstrated an xml-rpc database connection > for getting at the Zope data. I would strongly prefer > to get the data from Zope. We need structured input > and the Wiki definitely is not that. > > As a track organiser who's got catching up to do, > I really prefer to put my data into Zope. As soon > as I have done it I will slim down tyhe track Wiki > page to say 'talks X/Y/X accepted; look in Zope; > any new suggestions or comments can go here." Fine. In that case let's go for the solution which Andy describes here. Please post a description of the steps it takes to move data into the Zope database either on the wiki or here. And to all track champions: after you have moved the data, please update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. add the direct reference to the talk database to the wiki page). Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 16 13:58:29 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 14:58:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > Please post a description of the steps it takes to move data into the > Zope database either on the wiki or here. Get to http://www.europython.org/Talks and click "Add a Talk" Describe your talk. Click "Add". Repeat. Go to htpp://www.europython.org/sessions/talks to check your talks are there. > And to all track champions: after you have moved the data, please > update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. add the direct reference to > the talk database to the wiki page). I used my personnal time machine for that. It was there before you asked for it :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <030601c1fcd9$ed6ed110$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Guido, We've decided that it would be nice to have you on day 1. This means the 26th of June 16:15-17:00. Is this ok for you? More info soon. Thanks for reminding us to notify you. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guido van Rossum" To: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:45 PM Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled? > Because of the busy traffic I've removed myself from the EuroPython > list again (I think you guys are on the right track). But I have a > pressing question. When's my keynote scheduled? > > --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 14:05:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:05:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: Message-ID: <3CE3AE82.6040002@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >>Please post a description of the steps it takes to move data into the >>Zope database either on the wiki or here. > > > Get to http://www.europython.org/Talks and click "Add a Talk" > > Describe your talk. Click "Add". > > Repeat. > > Go to htpp://www.europython.org/sessions/talks to check your talks are > there. Thank you. > >>And to all track champions: after you have moved the data, please >>update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. add the direct reference to >>the talk database to the wiki page). > > > I used my personnal time machine for that. It was there before you asked > for it :-) Figures ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Samuele Pedroni" <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users: (btw is the PS true???) Next month (26-28) there will be the first European Python and Zope Conference in Charleroi (Belgium) www.europython.org both Finn and me will be present. Finn will give a talk about the work/design toward Jython 2.2. If you would like to give a talk/tutorial, the organizers would be pleased to hear from you. Nice/possible topics could be real life examples about: - accessing or writing EJBs in Jython - J2EE development with Jython - interprocess comunication between Python and Jython programs ("Jython talking to Python") Please don't reply here, you can concact the organizers at europython@python.org regards, Samuele Pedroni. PS: people giving a talk don't have to pay the conference fee From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 14:19:32 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 15:19:32 +0200 Subject: draft for jython-users CFTalk (was: Re: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython?) References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <3CE3B1E4.6040203@lemburg.com> Samuele Pedroni wrote: > Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users: > (btw is the PS true???) It is :-) Sounds great. Please go ahead and post it. > Next month (26-28) there will be the first > European Python and Zope Conference > in Charleroi (Belgium) > > www.europython.org > > both Finn and me will be present. > Finn will give a talk about the work/design > toward Jython 2.2. > > If you would like to give a talk/tutorial, the organizers > would be pleased to hear from you. Nice/possible > topics could be real life examples about: > - accessing or writing EJBs in Jython > - J2EE development with Jython > - interprocess comunication between > Python and Jython programs ("Jython talking to Python") > > Please don't reply here, you can concact the organizers > at europython@python.org > > regards, Samuele Pedroni. > > PS: people giving a talk don't have to pay the conference > fee > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Samuele Pedroni" > > Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users: > > (btw is the PS true???) > > It is :-) > > Sounds great. Please go ahead and post it. > Done. From Tom Deprez" <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <03cb01c1fce0$bf5ef5f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Here is a draft of what I would send to Jython-users: > (btw is the PS true???) Sounds good. The PS is true. However this doesn't counts on the lightning talks!!! We can't give people who have a 10 min talk at the last day (lightning talks, BOFs), give a free entry. It's impossible to have this at the moment. > Next month (26-28) there will be the first > European Python and Zope Conference > in Charleroi (Belgium) > > www.europython.org > > both Finn and me will be present. > Finn will give a talk about the work/design > toward Jython 2.2. > > If you would like to give a talk/tutorial, the organizers > would be pleased to hear from you. Nice/possible > topics could be real life examples about: > - accessing or writing EJBs in Jython > - J2EE development with Jython > - interprocess comunication between > Python and Jython programs ("Jython talking to Python") > > Please don't reply here, you can concact the organizers > at europython@python.org > > regards, Samuele Pedroni. > PS: people giving a talk don't have to pay the conference > fee > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Samuele Pedroni" <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> <03cb01c1fce0$bf5ef5f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <023701c1fce1$205706e0$6d94fea9@newmexico> > The PS is true. However this doesn't counts on the lightning talks!!! We > can't give people who have a 10 min talk at the last day (lightning talks, > BOFs), give a free entry. It's impossible to have this at the moment. Never tought that, and I don't expect anybody in their right mind to expect that. The PS was part of the message I just sent, if you hink it is important I can send the fine points too. regards. From Tom Deprez" <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <018801c1fcda$ceb62c40$6d94fea9@newmexico> <03cb01c1fce0$bf5ef5f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <023701c1fce1$205706e0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <043f01c1fce3$03bc1c80$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > The PS is true. However this doesn't counts on the lightning talks!!! We > > can't give people who have a 10 min talk at the last day (lightning talks, > > BOFs), give a free entry. It's impossible to have this at the moment. > > Never tought that, and I don't expect anybody in their right mind > to expect that. > > The PS was part of the message I just sent, if you hink it is important I can send > the fine points too. Well, I guess that every reasonable person will know this by him/herself. So I don't think it's needed to resend the message. However, if you think you've unreasonable people in the Jython community :-) , go ahead and fine-tune it Regards, Tom. From guido@python.org Thu May 16 15:51:04 2002 From: guido@python.org (Guido van Rossum) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 10:51:04 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] When's my keynote scheduled? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 16 May 2002 15:02:26 +0200." <030601c1fcd9$ed6ed110$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <200205161245.g4GCj6Y31707@pcp742651pcs.reston01.va.comcast.net> <030601c1fcd9$ed6ed110$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <200205161451.g4GEp4R02310@odiug.zope.com> > We've decided that it would be nice to have you on day 1. This means the > 26th of June 16:15-17:00. Is this ok for you? Perfect. Thanks! --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 18:16:15 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:16:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython? In-Reply-To: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <20020516171615.GB19228@vet.uu.nl> Samuele Pedroni wrote: > I'm forwarding this for rendundancy, in case > life traps someone again (me, or Martjin) > > > What we/I can do is mail jython-users and ask whether someone > > will be present at EuroPython and want to give a kind of > > ("Executive") summary on Jython/their experience on Jython. > > And that they should contact you. Thanks! Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 18:18:04 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:18:04 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: References: <3CE399A7.5000305@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020516171804.GC19228@vet.uu.nl> Andy Robinson wrote: [snip] > As a track organiser who's got catching up to do, > I really prefer to put my data into Zope. As soon > as I have done it I will slim down tyhe track Wiki > page to say 'talks X/Y/X accepted; look in Zope; > any new suggestions or comments can go here." As another talk organizer I agree with this idea. The database actually does have a status field and such, and it's much easier to maintain than a wiki page. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 18:20:12 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:20:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython? In-Reply-To: References: <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020516172012.GD19228@vet.uu.nl> Andy Robinson wrote: > > What I personally would be very interested in is experience > > (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython > > to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published > > through J2EE, etc. > > > > My point of view here is that Jython would be an ideal > > vehicule to bridge between the Python world and the > > Java world (and not so much focus on Jython as scripting > > tool for Java programmers). > > The tutorial track is currently thin and if Python Language > is getting busy (or even if not), how about a short talk > on one of these topics? Python *Language* currently suffers from a lack of talks; there's not enough, so please don't draw anything from that into the tutorial track, or at least let's try to coordinate this. :) > I would really like to see this > done with a "teach how to do it" focus rather than "we're > all Jython-heads, lets' dive into details" and that was my > vision for the Tutorial track. I think the Python Language track can have some less high level talks if they pop up, but I don't want to compete with the tutorial track either. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 18:22:49 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:22:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: talk about Jython? In-Reply-To: <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> References: <008e01c1fccd$6e1bdea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <3CE39FD8.1050408@lemburg.com> <00fe01c1fcd5$a5886ea0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <20020516172249.GE19228@vet.uu.nl> Samuele Pedroni wrote: > From: M.-A. Lemburg > > > Samuele Pedroni wrote: > > > [possibility to ask jython-users for talks] > > > > Thanks. I think it's a good idea to ask people on jython-users > > for this. > > > > What I personally would be very interested in is experience > > (and maybe even real life examples) of how to hook up Jython > > to J2EE, use it to write JavaBeans which can be published > > through J2EE, etc. > > Should I just send something, or do you (the organizers) > want to come up with something more focused > on what you would like to have. For the Python Language track it should somehow complement the talk Finn is giving, perhaps more of an introduction to Jython. It's difficult though. The hooking up Jython to J2EE could also be a Python Apps talk, though it's sort of in between. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 16 18:29:01 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:29:01 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks In-Reply-To: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com> References: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020516172901.GF19228@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > And to all track champions: after you have moved the > data, please update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. > add the direct reference to the talk database to the > wiki page). Okay, I did that for the Python Language and Python Applications track. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" >>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<< Message-ID: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi, You were all waiting for it! Here it is! You can now register your tickets online! Have a visit to www.europython.org and let us know that you all are willing to come to europython! Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 16 18:33:17 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:33:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] view on talks References: <3CE3AC3C.9050502@lemburg.com> <20020516172901.GF19228@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE3ED5D.6020603@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>And to all track champions: after you have moved the >>data, please update the wiki pages accordingly (i.e. >>add the direct reference to the talk database to the >>wiki page). > > > Okay, I did that for the Python Language and Python Applications track. Great. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi all, The talks which are approved are now visible from the site (ie page is activated) Regards, Tom. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 16 18:43:01 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 19:43:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<< In-Reply-To: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > You were all waiting for it! Here it is! You can now register your > tickets online! Have a visit to www.europython.org and let us know > that you all are willing to come to europython! What is the difference between secure and non-secure payment (the answer is less obvious than it may sound ;-) ? Why are we providing both ? Is it on purpose that anyone can edit non-secure registrations ? Just trying to test and help :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" >>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<< References: Message-ID: <06c901c1fd02$0ca052c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Nicolas, Some people can't get over secure line (https), so they've an alternative. I could remove the non-secure link from the home page and only show it up= at the registration page Regards; Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<< > > You were all waiting for it! Here it is! You can now register your > > tickets online! Have a visit to www.europython.org and let us know > > that you all are willing to come to europython! > > What is the difference between secure and non-secure payment (the answe= r > is less obvious than it may sound ;-) ? Why are we providing both ? > > Is it on purpose that anyone can edit non-secure registrations ? > > Just trying to test and help :-) > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org Thu May 16 21:24:11 2002 From: nicolas.pettiaux@openbe.org (Nicolas Pettiaux) Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:24:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers In-Reply-To: <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl> References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 12:43, Martijn Faassen a =E9crit : > > After some private discussion among the most active people > > on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive > > Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling > > and making sure that things move in the right direction. > I can only support Martijn assertion and add: As one of the person who was initially active and acted to have the ball = to=20 get a first momentum, I want to thank the Managers and I would like to sa= y I=20 support this initiative. I will try to bring some energy back as soon as = I=20 can. Thanks again for the good work=20 Thanks to all the other who help too. Nicolas --=20 Nicolas Pettiaux Avenue du P=E9rou 29 B-1000 Brussels From Tom Deprez" I modified some things on the web, let me know if you have some problems. Regards, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Fri May 17 02:08:54 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 03:08:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<< In-Reply-To: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020517030854.C7754@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:33:46PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > Hi, > > You were all waiting for it! > Here it is! > You can now register your tickets online! Have a visit to > http://www.europython.org > and let us know that you all are willing to come to europython! Thanks to Tom and Joachim who made a very good work ! We already had subcriptions after a few minutes ... There are 347 places left, that's about the same number of people subscribed to the EuroZope mailing-list and we're 134 on this list : don't wait before acting (a 4000 addresses mailing will be sent next week in Belgium). I would prefer to see _you_ in Charleroi than 'non community members'. Rem: the exhibitors page is also online. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" >> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<< References: <06a501c1fcff$d5785e20$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020517030854.C7754@carolo.net> Message-ID: <023401c1fd42$0b386a40$c68c84d5@skullsplitter> We forgot to mention that several payment methods are possible. >From SWIFT transfert to creditcard. Fill in the form with your personal data and when this is ok, choose the payment method you want. Best Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denis Frère" To: Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] >>>>>>> ONLINE REGISTRATION <<<<<<<<< > Le Thu, May 16, 2002 at 07:33:46PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > Hi, > > > > You were all waiting for it! > > Here it is! > > You can now register your tickets online! Have a visit to > > http://www.europython.org > > and let us know that you all are willing to come to europython! > > Thanks to Tom and Joachim who made a very good work ! > > We already had subcriptions after a few minutes ... > There are 347 places left, that's about the same number of people > subscribed to the EuroZope mailing-list and we're 134 on this > list : don't wait before acting (a 4000 addresses mailing will be > sent next week in Belgium). > > I would prefer to see _you_ in Charleroi than 'non community members'. > > Rem: the exhibitors page is also online. > > Denis > > -- > Denis FRERE > P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org > OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org > Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri May 17 07:47:38 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:47:38 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Registration, fees, speakers Message-ID: <1021618058.3ce4a78a9baa2@webmail.in-berlin.de> Hi, just looked deeper into the registration pages. I vaguely remember a statement like "speakers don't have to pay", but I don't see such an option on these pages. Or is it more like "speaker will be reim- bursed"? Also, if people chose the SWIFT payment option, do they get a con- firmation by email or so when the money was received? Regards, Dinu From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 17 08:21:24 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:21:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page In-Reply-To: <5960000.1021471803@[10.2.1.1]> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> Hi both, I was very pleased to be able to pay my subscription to EuroPython... I have one remark and proposal : -At the end of the confirmation page, it is told that you should print the confirmation page which will be needed at the entry. This should be stated in red or bold at the begin of the page... I am afraid there are already people which did not print it. -It would be very nice to have a place where we can see how many people have already registered if it is possible. Thanks -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From dario@ita.chalmers.se Fri May 17 08:57:32 2002 From: dario@ita.chalmers.se (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 09:57:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <002f01c1fd78$80ccc1d0$4bdf1081@ita.chalmers.se> From: "M.-A. Lemburg" > After some private discussion among the most active people > on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive > Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling > and making sure that things move in the right direction. > Hello! I think this is an excellent decision and certainly a step in the right direction. It adds a well needed stability to the EuroPython efforts. Sincerely, /dario - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-Kästen, dario@ita.chalmers.se IT Systems & Services System Developer/System Administrator Chalmers University of Tech. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00af01c1fd7e$fc4520e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi, > > just looked deeper into the registration pages. I vaguely remember > a statement like "speakers don't have to pay", but I don't see such > an option on these pages. Or is it more like "speaker will be reim- > bursed"? Speakers don't have to register themself yet. We'll insert them in the database or let you entere it in somewhere else > Also, if people chose the SWIFT payment option, do they get a con- > firmation by email or so when the money was received? As explained on the website, they will receive a notification. If they don't, they must contact sales@p3b.org . Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 09:46:52 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:46:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers References: <3CE386F9.10007@lemburg.com> <20020516104334.GA18481@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE4C37C.4040403@lemburg.com> Nicolas Pettiaux wrote: > Le Jeudi 16 Mai 2002 12:43, Martijn Faassen a =E9crit : >=20 >>>After some private discussion among the most active people >>>on this list, it was decided to form a EuroPython Executive >>>Committee which will take care of keeing the ball rolling >>>and making sure that things move in the right direction. >> >=20 > I can only support Martijn assertion and add: >=20 > As one of the person who was initially active and acted to have the bal= l to=20 > get a first momentum, I want to thank the Managers and I would like to = say I=20 > support this initiative. I will try to bring some energy back as soon a= s I=20 > can. >=20 > Thanks again for the good work=20 Thanks for all your support. We need it ! > Thanks to all the other who help too. Of course, many thanks to the cast of hundreds out there too :-) --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 09:49:07 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:49:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CE4C403.9020505@lemburg.com> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Hi both, > > I was very pleased to be able to pay my subscription to EuroPython... Indeed. Tom and Joachim did a very good job here ! Cheers to them. > I have one remark and proposal : > > -At the end of the confirmation page, it is told that you should print > the confirmation page which will be needed at the entry. > This should be stated in red or bold at the begin of the page... I am > afraid there are already people which did not print it. Good point. > -It would be very nice to have a place where we can see how many people > have already registered if it is possible. I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the 250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <00ff01c1fd81$d61fc7a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi both, > > I was very pleased to be able to pay my subscription to EuroPython... Nice. > I have one remark and proposal : > > -At the end of the confirmation page, it is told that you should print the > confirmation page which will be needed at the entry. > This should be stated in red or bold at the begin of the page... I am > afraid there are already people which did not print it. Ok, I've put it bolder and red on the screen. Thanks for letting us know, it's better indeed > -It would be very nice to have a place where we can see how many people > have already registered if it is possible. This shouldn't be that a big technical problem, but perhaps a more 'private' problem. Would people want there name to be displayed on the screen? If nobody objects, I'll program it. Regards, Tom. From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 17 10:12:29 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:12:29 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page In-Reply-To: <3CE4C403.9020505@lemburg.com> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> At 10:49 17/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least >not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the >250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees. > >-- >Marc-Andre Lemburg >CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH I had done something which I just removed. Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register... I really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only want to consume the conference should at least support us by paying their fees. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <013f01c1fd84$aa532290$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I had done something which I just removed. Please, Godefroid be carefull with private data. Also to all other site managers, although I'm sure that I can trust you all and that you all know Zope very well, be carefull when you change something at the registration pages. Certainly work with versions to check everything. It's very dangerous, since people are paying and some pages may return a error when something wrong happens when editing. Eg if the confirmation page returns and error and a person has just payed, he won't be happy At best, I wouldn't change too much on these pages, you never know when Murphy comes along. Regards, Tom. From js@aixtraware.de Fri May 17 10:24:48 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:24:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <60510000.1021627488@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, I think we should a "register now" in the middle frame, or at least put=20 something like "Register now with:" above the buttons "secure payment"=20 "non-secure payment" --On Freitag, Mai 17, 2002 11:12:29 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle=20 wrote: > At 10:49 17/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least >> not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the >> 250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees. >> >> -- >> Marc-Andre Lemburg >> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > > I had done something which I just removed. > > Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register... I > really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only want > to consume the conference should at least support us by paying their = fees. +1 Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 17 10:39:34 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 11:39:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page In-Reply-To: <013f01c1fd84$aa532290$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be> At 11:24 17/05/2002, you wrote: > > I had done something which I just removed. > >Please, Godefroid be carefull with private data. I am completely prudent with data. I surely did not touch to Registration at all for the reasons that you state below. I had only added something to count registrants (written by Joachim) to the conference fees page >Also to all other site managers, although I'm sure that I can trust you all >and that you all >know Zope very well, be carefull when you change something at the >registration pages. >Certainly work with versions to check everything. > >It's very dangerous, since people are paying and some pages may return a >error when something wrong happens when editing. >Eg if the confirmation page returns and error and a person has just payed, >he won't be happy > >At best, I wouldn't change too much on these pages, you never know when >Murphy comes along. > >Regards, >Tom. Can you give your opinion about showing number of registrars ? Thanks -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Can you give your opinion about showing number of registrars ? I did, see another mail. I'm not sure if some people would like to see their name on a public page. I agree that if people see how many people come, there are more willing to come. However you've too look this also the other way around. If people first want to see how many people are comming, everybody is waiting on each other.... So, I would not post it right now. I wanted however, regulary announce how much people registered, eg like: reached 100, etc. Your proposal to show the number of registrars is also a good way, but I would wait a few days to install that Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <60510000.1021627488@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <01e001c1fd88$bb425270$1e71a8c0@u10136> At your service... :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Schmitz" To: "Godefroid Chapelle" ; "M.-A. Lemburg" Cc: ; Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page > Hi, > > I think we should a "register now" in the middle frame, or at least put > something like "Register now with:" above the buttons "secure payment" > "non-secure payment" > > > > --On Freitag, Mai 17, 2002 11:12:29 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle > wrote: > > > At 10:49 17/05/2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> I'd rather not make this information easily accessible. At least > >> not at this stage. It could become interesting when we reach the > >> 250 attendee figure, because we can at most accept 350 attendees. > >> > >> -- > >> Marc-Andre Lemburg > >> CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > > > > I had done something which I just removed. > > > > Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register..= . I > > really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only wa= nt > > to consume the conference should at least support us by paying their fees. > +1 > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 17 11:18:16 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:18:16 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Fw: Adding Localizer In-Reply-To: <3CE4D06E.9020309@nuxeo.com> References: <007d01c1f6dd$679444a0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDF8BE3.4000104@nuxeo.com> <00e501c1fa65$e6c36310$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDF9105.8040904@nuxeo.com> <013001c1fa69$250d4020$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDFAFF2.3020304@nuxeo.com> <01fe01c1fa7d$a7562060$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDFBABE.7020806@nuxeo.com> <026801c1fa87$58bdb080$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CE14138.9090809@nuxeo.com> <116101c1fb8b$d4ed1e20$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CE2994E.2000401@nuxeo.com> <00d801c1fd15$fa4e2390$c68c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517121503.02debb18@pop.swing.be> At 11:42 17/05/2002, you wrote: >Hi Tom and Godefroid, > > > >>>I've made the spanish translation of the home page, just to test it, and Have you forgotten to translate the sentence about sponsors ? >>added a selection box to change the language. >> >>This is nice! >>I'll ask Godefroid if he wants to translate it to french. Godefroid can= you >>look a the index_localiser in the home directory and translate it to= french? > >Yes, possible and easy, but also not a priority, I think. >Let's do a bit more in the internationalization task first. > > > >Done, I've renamed the monolingual "index_html" to "index_html.old", >the new "index_html" is the multilingual one now. I have added the french version >>>I'm sorry I can't go faster, I'm too busy :-( >> >>I know this feeling :-) > >:-) Well, the good news are that I expect to have internet connection >at home in a near future, I'll be able to do more then. How to you intend to localize the master_zpt ? >-- >J. David Ib=E1=F1ez, Nuxeo.com >Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org) > > -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From jdavid@nuxeo.com Fri May 17 11:16:35 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:16:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Fw: Adding Localizer References: <007d01c1f6dd$679444a0$8f8d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDF8BE3.4000104@nuxeo.com> <00e501c1fa65$e6c36310$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDF9105.8040904@nuxeo.com> <013001c1fa69$250d4020$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDFAFF2.3020304@nuxeo.com> <01fe01c1fa7d$a7562060$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CDFBABE.7020806@nuxeo.com> <026801c1fa87$58bdb080$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CE14138.9090809@nuxeo.com> <116101c1fb8b$d4ed1e20$598d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CE2994E.2000401@nuxeo.com> <00d801c1fd15$fa4e2390$c68c84d5@skullsplitter> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517121503.02debb18@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CE4D883.8060506@nuxeo.com> > > >>>> I've made the spanish translation of the home page, just to test >>>> it, and >>> > > Have you forgotten to translate the sentence about sponsors ? > Oh yes! thanks, it's done now. >> Done, I've renamed the monolingual "index_html" to "index_html.old", >> the new "index_html" is the multilingual one now. > > > I have added the french version > > Thanks! > How to you intend to localize the master_zpt ? > With a message catalog. -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org) From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 11:30:23 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:30:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be> <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CE4DBBF.4020203@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: >>Can you give your opinion about showing number of registrars ? > > > I did, see another mail. > > I'm not sure if some people would like to see their name on a public page. > I agree that if people see how many people come, there are more willing to > come. > However you've too look this also the other way around. If people first want > to see how > many people are comming, everybody is waiting on each other.... > So, I would not post it right now. > > I wanted however, regulary announce how much people registered, eg like: > reached 100, etc. I think this is a good idea: simply change the static number every few days -- in 100s intervals and later on to "50 tickets left" :-) > Your proposal to show the number of registrars is also a good way, but I > would wait a few days -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 11:59:49 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 12:59:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release Message-ID: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another round of press releases. For this, I think we should update the press release text a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming to the text. http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish (I've already added these to the English text) The next would then be to mail out the press release to as many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on the press release press page: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress We need a volunteer to manage this. If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please speak up today. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi, As you probably have noticed, people are working on making the website multilingual. If you would like to have the site in your language, step forward to translate the pages. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <02e901c1fd97$31f23350$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another > round of press releases. Correct! > For this, I think we should update the press release text > a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming > to the text. > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish > > (I've already added these to the English text) I would also add the announcement of Jim Fulton, the creator of Zope and that he himself is going to give a Zope3 (next release) tutorial! > The next would then be to mail out the press release to as > many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course > to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on > the press release press page: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress > > We need a volunteer to manage this. > > If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press > release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please > speak up today. > > Thanks, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <030d01c1fd98$904c7270$1e71a8c0@u10136> Ok, changed the text to add some points of Zope3 (should be interesting for most Zope developers) Remove them if you don't see they fit. Regard, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release > Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another > round of press releases. > > For this, I think we should update the press release text > a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming > to the text. > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish > > (I've already added these to the English text) > > The next would then be to mail out the press release to as > many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course > to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on > the press release press page: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress > > We need a volunteer to manage this. > > If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press > release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please > speak up today. > > Thanks, > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Samuele Pedroni" Hi, I have just registered myself, the confirmation page to be printed (btw with the registration id at the bottom), at least when printed from IE does not fit a A4 page - rather unpleasant. regards. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <032301c1fd9a$c8439df0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi, > > I have just registered myself, Thanks! > the confirmation page to be printed (btw with the registration id at the bottom), > at least when printed from IE does not fit a A4 page - rather unpleasant. Oops, thanks for the note. I've moved the whole part of this to above. Sorry for the inconviniences Regards, Tom From paul@zope.com Fri May 17 13:06:30 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 08:06:30 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> I'll volunteer for this. I had told Martijn last week that I would have something soon, so I'm way past deadline! I'll plan to have a draft together in the next three hours. --Paul M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another > round of press releases. > > For this, I think we should update the press release text > a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming > to the text. > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish > > (I've already added these to the English text) > > The next would then be to mail out the press release to as > many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course > to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on > the press release press page: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress > > We need a volunteer to manage this. > > If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press > release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please > speak up today. > > Thanks, From Tom Deprez" <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> Message-ID: <034601c1fd9d$0f673780$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I'll volunteer for this. I had told Martijn last week that I would have > something soon, so I'm way past deadline! I'll plan to have a draft > together in the next three hours. Thanks, Paul! You're doing tremendous work. Regards, Tom. > --Paul > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another > > round of press releases. > > > > For this, I think we should update the press release text > > a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming > > to the text. > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish > > > > (I've already added these to the English text) > > > > The next would then be to mail out the press release to as > > many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course > > to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on > > the press release press page: > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress > > > > We need a volunteer to manage this. > > > > If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press > > release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please > > speak up today. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 13:21:27 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:21:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> Message-ID: <3CE4F5C7.8000002@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > I'll volunteer for this. I had told Martijn last week that I would have > something soon, so I'm way past deadline! I'll plan to have a draft > together in the next three hours. Great ! So it's your job now :-) Note that I haven't yet scanned the mailing list pages on python.org. It would be great if you could gather a few more EU based mailing addresses and send the press release there (or have someone else do it). > --Paul > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >> Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another >> round of press releases. >> >> For this, I think we should update the press release text >> a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming >> to the text. >> >> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish >> >> (I've already added these to the English text) >> >> The next would then be to mail out the press release to as >> many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course >> to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on >> the press release press page: >> >> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress >> >> We need a volunteer to manage this. >> >> If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press >> release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please >> speak up today. >> >> Thanks, > > > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 13:21:52 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:21:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <030d01c1fd98$904c7270$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CE4F5E0.9050208@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > Ok, changed the text to add some points of Zope3 (should be interesting for > most Zope developers) > Remove them if you don't see they fit. Perfect. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Samuele Pedroni" <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> <3CE4F5C7.8000002@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <013b01c1fd9f$4ffb9640$6d94fea9@newmexico> > So it's your job now :-) > > Note that I haven't yet scanned the mailing list pages on python.org. > It would be great if you could gather a few more EU based mailing > addresses and send the press release there (or have someone else > do it). > Btw, it seems the first round didn't reach jython-users@lists.sf.net maybe this time we can do better :). regards. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 17 13:46:52 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 14:46:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release In-Reply-To: <3CE4F5C7.8000002@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > Paul Everitt wrote: > > > > I'll volunteer for this. I had told Martijn last week that I would have > > something soon, so I'm way past deadline! I'll plan to have a draft > > together in the next three hours. > > Great ! > > So it's your job now :-) > > Note that I haven't yet scanned the mailing list pages on python.org. > It would be great if you could gather a few more EU based mailing > addresses and send the press release there (or have someone else > do it). If needed, I can translate it to french and mail it to the french speaking addresses as I did in march. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be Fri May 17 15:32:07 2002 From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:32:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] [French] Re: EuroPython 200 2 : proposiion de =?iso-8859-15?q?pr=E9sentation?= In-Reply-To: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> Personellement, votre proposiion ( nombres AVEC unit=E9s de mesure )=20 m'int=E9resse beaucoup ! Patrick Carabin. Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20 http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/ Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20 http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20 =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB Dala=EF Lama. From Tom Deprez" <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> Message-ID: <044801c1fdb1$2821b160$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Patrick, Sorry, I'm not sure if I can follow you here. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Carabin" To: ; Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: [EuroPython] [French] Re: EuroPython 200 2 : proposiion de pr=E9sentation > Personellement, votre proposiion ( nombres AVEC unit=E9s de mesure ) > m'int=E9resse beaucoup ! > Patrick Carabin. > > Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique > http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/ > Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen > http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/ > > =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB > =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB > Dala=EF Lama. > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 17 15:46:30 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 16:46:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re:_=5BEuroPython=5D_=5BFrench=5D_Re:_EuroPython_200_2_:_p?= =?ISO-8859-15?Q?roposiion_de__pr=E9sentation?= In-Reply-To: <044801c1fdb1$2821b160$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi Patrick, > > Sorry, I'm not sure if I can follow you here. Don't worry, I answered that mail in private (and french :-). -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be Fri May 17 16:08:24 2002 From: Patrick.Carabin@NatuurWetenschappen.be (Patrick Carabin) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:08:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Comment payer ? In-Reply-To: <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> References: <20020517112802.27133.66116.Mailman@mail.python.org> <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> Message-ID: <02051717082405.01259@pc20_118> 1 ) On me demande d'imprimer l'=E9cran avant de l'envoyer ... il sort=20 *2* pages *VIERGES* de l'imprimante... 2 ) J'ai copi=E9 les donn=E9es suivantes : Amount: 200.00 EUR your registration-id: 021371646 Bank account: 068-2346382-76=20 mais je ne vois pas le NOM du titulaire du compte, NI son adresse.=20 Mon programme de virements me le demande. 2 a ) Quels sont le nom et l'adresse du titulaire du compte ? 2 b ) Que dois-je mettre en communication ? Merci d'avance, Patrick Carabin. Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique=20 http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/ Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen=20 http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/=20 =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB Dala=EF Lama. From Tom Deprez" <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> <02051717082405.01259@pc20_118> Message-ID: <048201c1fdb5$53c76950$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Patrick, I assume that you are trying to pay with SWIFT transfert correct? Normally, you should receive an email with all the details of the bank. Let me know if this happens, because otherwise there are some problem. I don't understand why you browser prints blanc pages.... Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patrick Carabin" To: ; ; Sent: Friday, May 17, 2002 5:08 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Comment payer ? > 1 ) On me demande d'imprimer l'=E9cran avant de l'envoyer ... il sort > *2* pages *VIERGES* de l'imprimante... > > 2 ) J'ai copi=E9 les donn=E9es suivantes : > > Amount: 200.00 EUR > your registration-id: 021371646 > Bank account: 068-2346382-76 > > mais je ne vois pas le NOM du titulaire du compte, NI son adresse. > Mon programme de virements me le demande. > 2 a ) Quels sont le nom et l'adresse du titulaire du compte ? > 2 b ) Que dois-je mettre en communication ? > > Merci d'avance, > Patrick Carabin. > > Institut Royal des Sciences Naturelles de Belgique > http://www.SciencesNaturelles.be/ > Koninklijk Belgisch Instituut voor Natuurwetenschappen > http://www.NatuurWetenschappen.be/ > > =ABHet geluk is niet op het einde van de weg, het geluk is de weg.=BB > =ABLe bonheur n'est pas au bout du chemin, le bonheur est le chemin.=BB > Dala=EF Lama. > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Fri May 17 16:11:46 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 17:11:46 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers In-Reply-To: <3CE4C37C.4040403@lemburg.com> Message-ID: Hi folks, currently I'm again too slow. Have now to read 133 mails... sigh... I support the idea of "The Managers". I'm in discussion with a person which has some organisational skills, but without any technical knowledge about programming, python, ZOPE, HTML etc. BUT she is bright, and would be very happy to help out and she has definitifly time left. Maybe some sort of assistance to "The Managers"? Are you interested? And: do you think you can give her clear, precise jobs she can do without having to code HTML or to build new ZOPE products ;-)? I think about: getting the press release out to all know contacts, calling possible sponsors and such things... I would love to help out personally, but currently there is a ++ Mio EU project in "heavy sea" and I need to focus on that. To discuss details: I can arrange a phone conference; or just call me under +49 228 9783660. Regards, Andrew From Tom Deprez" <02051716320703.01259@pc20_118> <02051717082405.01259@pc20_118> Message-ID: <04cf01c1fdba$0e14e7c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > 1 ) On me demande d'imprimer l'=E9cran avant de l'envoyer ... il sort > *2* pages *VIERGES* de l'imprimante... I'm afraid this is something with your browser > 2 ) J'ai copi=E9 les donn=E9es suivantes : > > Amount: 200.00 EUR > your registration-id: 021371646 > Bank account: 068-2346382-76 > > mais je ne vois pas le NOM du titulaire du compte, NI son adresse. > Mon programme de virements me le demande. > 2 a ) Quels sont le nom et l'adresse du titulaire du compte ? I don't know if it is needed for SWIFT payment, but here is more information. It is the special created EuroPython2002 account of P3B A member of P3B: Denis Fr=E8re, domicili=E9 rue de Colnet, 9 =E0 6040 Jum= et > 2 b ) Que dois-je mettre en communication ? Your registration-id. (See also on the email you've confirmed the swift payment) > Merci d'avance, > Patrick Carabin. Please, let us know if everything went ok! Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 17:03:39 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 18:03:39 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Introducing: The Managers References: Message-ID: <3CE529DB.3080604@lemburg.com> Andrew Smart wrote: > Hi folks, > > currently I'm again too slow. Have now to read 133 mails... sigh... > > I support the idea of "The Managers". I'm in discussion with a person which > has some organisational skills, but without any technical knowledge about > programming, python, ZOPE, HTML etc. BUT she is bright, and would be very > happy to help out and she has definitifly time left. Maybe some sort of > assistance to "The Managers"? Just give us an email address and I'm sure we'll find some work :-) (There's tons of it... e.g. Paul Everitt could probably need help with the press release). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Fri May 17 18:49:32 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 13:49:32 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release Message-ID: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the executive committee): http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease Some changes: o I added a tagline under the title ("Inaugural event...") as a way focus on the selling point o I tried to remove some extraneous stuff in the first few paragraphs, such as the background of the EuroZope foundation's formation. Instead, I tried to focus the lead-in on answering: "Why should I attend?" o The "dropping names" part was broken into bullets, so people that visually scan web pages can pick them out more easily. --Paul From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 17 19:12:10 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:12:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020517181210.GA22066@vet.uu.nl> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: [publish amount of people who registered] > Still, I think we should publish it to encourage people to register... I > really have the feeling that we should insist that people who only want to > consume the conference should at least support us by paying their fees. I think the news on the home page is an excellent way to do so; we can post regular updates on 'over people registered!' regularly. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 17 19:13:34 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:13:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Payment confirmation page In-Reply-To: <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517091527.00af60e0@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517111009.023af0d8@pop.swing.be> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517113541.022977f0@pop.swing.be> <01ce01c1fd88$83be9750$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020517181334.GB22066@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I wanted however, regulary announce how much people registered, eg like: > reached 100, etc. Oh, just what I posted, I agree, then. :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 17 19:18:00 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:18:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release In-Reply-To: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020517181759.GC22066@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Now that we have the payment page setup, it's time for another > round of press releases. Note that Paul was working on this, and I asked him yesterday already what's the status on it. He hasn't answered yet. :) > For this, I think we should update the press release text > a bit and e.g. include the reference to Eric Raymond's coming > to the text. > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleaseEnglish > > (I've already added these to the English text) > The next would then be to mail out the press release to as And some other nice names we may want to include as well. And definitely say registration is now open. :) > many newsgroups and mailing lists as possible and of course > to submit it to all the other fine press resources we have on > the press release press page: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/PressReleasePress > > We need a volunteer to manage this. I can submit it to some Python and also Zope channels. I'll also ask Guido whether I can post a note to python-dev this time, as he complained a Dutch core developer hadn't heard about it. Hm, perhaps a list to actually talk to for people who want to speak on the Python Language track. I will try that.. > If you think you can manage this and make sure that the press > release gets submitted by Wednesday next week, then please > speak up today. I can't commit to this myself unfortunately, but I'll help with some of the writing over the weekend. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 17 19:18:41 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:18:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Time for a new press release In-Reply-To: <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> References: <3CE4E2A5.5090102@lemburg.com> <3CE4F246.2000906@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020517181841.GD22066@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > I'll volunteer for this. I had told Martijn last week that I would have > something soon, so I'm way past deadline! I'll plan to have a draft > together in the next three hours. Reminder to self, please read entire thread before adding notes; I keep doing this recently! Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 17 19:33:23 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 20:33:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020517183322.GA22325@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the > executive committee): > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease Very nice; I like it a lot! Some comments: * Does Eric Raymond know yet he's going to give a keynote instead of just a talk? Would be good to let him know. :) * We need a decent text only version for the various announcement mailing lists. Regards, Martijn From bh@intevation.de Fri May 17 19:51:07 2002 From: bh@intevation.de (Bernhard Herzog) Date: 17 May 2002 20:51:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> Message-ID: <6q4rh6y5es.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> Paul Everitt writes: > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the > executive committee): > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where, when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant. Bernhard -- Intevation GmbH http://intevation.de/ Sketch http://sketch.sourceforge.net/ MapIt! http://www.mapit.de/ From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 17 20:16:32 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:16:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517211208.0236a750@pop.swing.be> At 19:49 17/05/2002, Paul Everitt wrote: >Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the >executive committee): > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease Hoping to avoid unuseful wars, I think that the people referenced in the end of the press release as being part of the EuroPython Team should be corrected... On one hand, we have almost not heard both Nicolas Pettiaux and Stefane Fermigier On the other hand, Tom Deprez is now part of the executive team and is not mentioned. My 2 EuroCents. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From gotcha@swing.be Fri May 17 20:22:57 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:22:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <6q4rh6y5es.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be> At 20:51 17/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote: >Paul Everitt writes: > > > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the > > executive committee): > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease > >Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where, >when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant. Sure... > Bernhard Should we also state better that there is a early-bird fee until May 31st ? -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 20:23:18 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:23:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020517211208.0236a750@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CE558A6.9020103@lemburg.com> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > At 19:49 17/05/2002, Paul Everitt wrote: > >> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by >> the executive committee): >> >> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease > > > > Hoping to avoid unuseful wars, I think that the people referenced in the > end of the press release as being part of the EuroPython Team should be > corrected... > > On one hand, we have almost not heard both Nicolas Pettiaux and Stefane > Fermigier > On the other hand, Tom Deprez is now part of the executive team and is > not mentioned. The names mentioned there are just contacts -- at least that's how I understand it. If Tom doesn't want to get called by the press, then I can understand why he doesn't want to be mentioned. If it's just a mistake, then Tom should add the info the press release. We should add the new generic contact address though (which I'll do just now). Good point, though. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 20:26:58 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:26:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > At 20:51 17/05/2002, Bernhard Herzog wrote: > >> Paul Everitt writes: >> >> > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by >> the >> > executive committee): >> > >> > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease >> >> Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where, >> when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant. > > > Sure... Agreed. Press releases are for journalists, not programmers ;-) >> Bernhard > > > Should we also state better that there is a early-bird fee until May 31st ? I think the sentence "Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged." does this. One note: the sentence "The authorities in Charleroi have generously pledged support for this meeting." is *not* true anymore -- we have to pay for CEME in full. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Fri May 17 20:28:14 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:28:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be> <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CE559CE.1070508@lemburg.com> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > > One note: the sentence "The authorities in Charleroi have generously > pledged support for this meeting." is *not* true anymore -- we have > to pay for CEME in full. I've removed that sentence from the press release now. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <3CE558A6.9020103@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <031c01c1fddb$6aae5680$0d8d84d5@skullsplitter> > The names mentioned there are just contacts -- at least that's how I understand it. Correct, I thought this was for press contacts. > If Tom doesn't want to get called by the press, then I can understand > why he doesn't want to be mentioned. If it's just a mistake, then > Tom should add the info the press release. Anyway, I added my information to the list, in case people want to contact me > We should add the new generic contact address though (which I'll do just now). Yup, that should be added. > > Good point, though. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From holger@trillke.net Fri May 17 21:30:20 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:30:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20020517212152.02e30ea0@pop.swing.be> <3CE55982.3050904@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020517203020.GB13621@trillke.net> [M.-A. Lemburg Fri, May 17, 2002 at 09:26:58PM +0200] > >>Paul Everitt writes: > >> > >>> Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by > >>the > >>> executive committee): > >>> > >>> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease > >> > >>Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where, > >>when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant. > > > > > >Sure... > > Agreed. Press releases are for journalists, not programmers ;-) be careful :-) regarding topics such as EuroPython i suspect that journalists are often programmers, too. i don't think that CNN will sent someone :-) holger From holger@trillke.net Fri May 17 21:49:24 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 22:49:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> [Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400] > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the > executive committee): > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic experience that some more information would be appreciated: - how many people in europe are *approximately* using python (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown? - how is the conference organized (collaboratively...) - maybe mention that this is the second big free software developer's event this year. (the other beeing FOSDEM with 500-1000 people in Bruxelles earlier this year). - give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning talks' btw, many computer journalists like this kind of statistical information as they usually don't care to research it :-) regards, holger From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 17 22:22:37 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 23:22:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> Message-ID: <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> holger@trillke.net wrote: > [Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400] > > Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the > > executive committee): > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease > > the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic > experience that some more information would be appreciated: > > - how many people in europe are *approximately* using python > (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown? We had some wild figures in an early version of the previous press release, but I took them out as I could not get anyone to give us actual information on this. I don't know actually who put them in. :) I don't think we should spend too much time on this. > - how is the conference organized (collaboratively...) This would be nice. > - maybe mention that this is the second big free software > developer's event this year. (the other beeing > FOSDEM with 500-1000 people in Bruxelles earlier this year). There are other events, like LinuxTag and so on, which should count for something (even though that is for the public it also attracts plenty of developers and side conferences etc). > - give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning > talks' This would be nice to do, and we can actually come up with an approximate figure. Though I think the track thing already helps there. Perhaps we should say something about the tracks being *parallel*. :) Regards, Martijn From denis@aragne.com Sat May 18 02:35:00 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 03:35:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Science specialist [babu@bessy.de: Question] Message-ID: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net> --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Nicolas will you take care of this mail ? Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com --ibTvN161/egqYuK8 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Received: from spirou.carolo.net (mail@spirou.carolo.net [172.17.2.2] (may be forged)) by colnet.carolo.net (8.12.1/8.12.1/Debian -2) with ESMTP id g4HGBDvw014290 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:11:13 +0200 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] ident=spirou) by spirou.carolo.net with esmtp (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 178kJk-0005oA-01 for ; Fri, 17 May 2002 18:10:56 +0200 Received: from p3b.org [212.68.204.88] by localhost with IMAP (fetchmail-5.9.11) for spirou@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 17 May 2002 18:10:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from tango1.exp.bessy.de ([193.149.14.28]) by myg.carolo.net with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 178cx3-00013c-00; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:19:01 +0200 Received: from solve2.psf.bessy.de (192.168.27.241) by tango2.exp.bessy.de (MX V5.2 AnBl) with ESMTP; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:19:59 +0200 Received: from localhost by solve2.psf.bessy.de (8.9.3/1.1.29.3/04Apr02-0505PM) id KAA0000065047; Fri, 17 May 2002 10:19:59 +0200 (CEST) X-Authentication-Warning: solve2.psf.bessy.de: babu owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 10:19:59 +0200 (CEST) From: Babu Manjasetti X-Sender: babu@solve2.psf.bessy.de To: sales@p3b.org CC: payment.europython@p3b.org Subject: Question In-Reply-To: <200205162137.g4GLbWV19449@stroopwafel.amaze.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, Thank you very much for the notification. Due to the structural genomics initiatives throughout the world and the integration of structural biology, information sciences and computational technology. As a biophysicist, I have started gaining the experience in computational technology. Right now I am engaged in database programming using Python as programming language and MySQL as database engine. The question is, I want to present my work during the conference either by poster or 10 minutes oral presentation. Do you have a time slot or poster session during the conference?. If so, please write back to me as early as possible. PS : Last year as a scientist my technical achievement has been recognised by American Crystallography Association, USA. Please, look at the web page. http://www.hwi.buffalo.edu/ACA/ACA01/abstracts/S0101.html Ref : W0162 Looking forward to hearing from you soon, Babu ################################################################### Dr. Babu A. Manjasetty Protein Structure Factory C/o Bessy GmbH Albert-Einstein-Str.15 12489 Berlin Germany Phone : +49 (0)30 6392 4920 Fax : +49 (0)30 6392 4975 e-mail : babu@bessy.de ################################################################## On Thu, 16 May 2002 payment.europython@p3b.org wrote: > Dear Dr. Babu Manjasetty, > > You receive this message because you shared us the knowledge > that you were interested in this event and wanted a > notification when the registration of the EuroPython2002 > congress would go online. > > Our apologizes for the delay, but finally it arrived, > ready to take your registrations. > > Go and visit www.europython.org > > Hopefully you are still interested in the event and may we welcome > you at the EuroPython2002 conference. > > For further questions concerning registration, contact sales@p3b.org > > Regards, > The EuroPython2002 team. > --ibTvN161/egqYuK8-- From itamar@zoteca.com Sat May 18 11:56:24 2002 From: itamar@zoteca.com (Itamar Shtull-Trauring) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:56:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website Message-ID: <3CE63358.1010002@zoteca.com> This page: http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks/ Is basically useless - the UI is silly, and I can't see talks other than the scientific ones and zope tutorials after I check everything off. The way it ought to work is that by default it shows all talks, and filtering lets you limit what you're seeing - that is, by default everything should be checked. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00cb01c1fe53$bc37f8d0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Go ahead and change it to your needs... Know that at the moment only Zope Tutorial and Science & Industry are in the database marked as 'visible'. So you're not able to see others.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:56 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website > This page: > > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks/ > > Is basically useless - the UI is silly, and I can't see talks other than > the scientific ones and zope tutorials after I check everything off. The > way it ought to work is that by default it shows all talks, and > filtering lets you limit what you're seeing - that is, by default > everything should be checked. > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <00cb01c1fe53$bc37f8d0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <00d901c1fe55$7da560b0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > Go ahead and change it to your needs... sorry, for this brunt message. I'm just not having my day. Since yesterday I've a really bad flu, so everything annoys me at the moment. Again, sorry for this message. I've changed it. Let me know if it's better now. > Know that at the moment only Zope Tutorial and Science & Industry are in the > database > marked as 'visible'. So you're not able to see others.... > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" > To: > Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:56 PM > Subject: [EuroPython] Issues with website > > > > This page: > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks/ > > > > Is basically useless - the UI is silly, and I can't see talks other than > > the scientific ones and zope tutorials after I check everything off. The > > way it ought to work is that by default it shows all talks, and > > filtering lets you limit what you're seeing - that is, by default > > everything should be checked. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Hi all, I would advice all track champions to make their decisions concerning the talks. Move them up to the track database. Set them to 'approved' if you know for sure the talk will be given. We can't to afford to wait longer. The longer we wait, the longer people will wait to register because they want to know who's giving a talk or not, etc. I would like to see most of the talks half this week at http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks Regards, Tom. From sdeibel@wingide.com Sat May 18 14:01:13 2002 From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 09:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Cost of having materials distributed to attendees? Message-ID: Hi, Since none of the Archaeopteryxians can make it to Europython in person, we've been tossing around ideas for either advertising and/or having a booth in absentia with someone outside of our company at the booth. The latter would be basically just a place to distribute demo CDs for our product, and maybe some leaflets. Another idea would be for us to ship the CDs (and leaflets, if any) to the site and have them distributed at registration, to each attendee. Somewhere I thought I saw discussion about this, but now don't see anything on the website. Is this an option? Is there an idea of the cost? Also, any idea of attendance levels expected (or at least registration so far)? Thanks, - Stephan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wing IDE for Python Archaeopteryx Software, Inc www.wingide.com Take Flight! From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 18 15:15:14 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 16:15:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Science specialist [babu@bessy.de: Question] In-Reply-To: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net> References: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020518141514.GA24226@vet.uu.nl> Denis Fr?re wrote: > Nicolas will you take care of this mail ? [snip talk proposal suggesting a lightning talk] We should schedule him for a lightning talk on the third day, perhaps? Note that he will have to pay the full amount for the conference in that case though. Regards, Martijn From lac@strakt.com Sat May 18 16:09:42 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 17:09:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] online registration Message-ID: <200205181509.g4IF9gE2024963@theraft.strakt.com> 2 small problems with the form: 1. Gender (Mr. Mrs.) - this is not gender - this is Title. Unmarried women, and people who like to use a different title -- e.g. Dr. are not addressed. 2. The country code is not perfectly sorted -- Chad comes after Switzerland and before Togo -- Sweden comes between Sudan and Singapore. I figure that this is because you are sorting by the 2 letter abbreviation ... where Sweden is .se, but it is still confusing. Laura Creighton From fcohen@pushtotest.com Sat May 18 16:31:59 2002 From: fcohen@pushtotest.com (Frank Cohen) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 08:31:59 -0700 Subject: [EuroPython] Python conference speakers Message-ID: Hi EuroPython: Samuele Pedroni posted news of the European Python conference. I am interested in attending the conference and possibly speaking. I can't make the conference next month but would like to learn about the next conference you have planned. I am planning to be at the Etre conference in Spain in October. I manage an open-source project called TestMaker, which is used as a framework to build intelligent test agents to check Web Services for functionality, scalability and performance. Details are at http://www.PushToTest.com. TestMaker embeds Jython as a scripting language to drive a library of test objects. -Frank -- Frank Cohen, CEO, PushToTest, www.pushtotest.com, phone: 408 374 7426 Come to PushToTest for free open-source Active Security solutions that test, monitor and automate Web Service systems for functionality, scalability and performance. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <018e01c1fe85$da728bd0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > 2 small problems with the form: > > 1. Gender (Mr. Mrs.) - this is not gender - this is Title. > Unmarried women, and people who like to use a different > title -- e.g. Dr. are not addressed. Zut, you're right. Thanks for letting us know. > 2. The country code is not perfectly sorted -- Chad comes after Switzerland > and before Togo -- Sweden comes between Sudan and Singapore. I figure > that this is because you are sorting by the 2 letter abbreviation ... > where Sweden is .se, but it is still confusing. I'll look that up, haven't checked it. But, I guess you're right concerning the sorting Tom. > Laura Creighton > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" ok, I've sorted the titles on the name of the country. Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd. Did I forgot some which are generally used in conferences? Regards, Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 18 17:46:36 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:46:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form In-Reply-To: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020518164636.GA24542@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I've sorted the titles on the name of the country. > > Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd. Are titles really necessary? I mean, I'd just like to register as my name without title if I had to register, and it's hard to get all the stuff right. And then people will get name tags saying Mr. Faassen? Or what? I mean, I'd prefer my first name to be on there instead. So we should be careful in how we use this, at least. It seems unfair to have 'Mrs' and 'Miss'; do we really need to know about marital status of women? Use the neutral 'Ms' instead. Regards, Martijn From lac@strakt.com Sat May 18 17:48:44 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 18:48:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" of "Sat, 18 May 2002 18:30:32 +0200." <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200205181648.g4IGmirW025797@theraft.strakt.com> > ok, > > I've sorted the titles on the name of the country. > > Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd. > > Did I forgot some which are generally used in conferences? Miss doesn't get a period. Ms. does, and is very common. I have never seen Phd used at all. Priests, Nuns, Judges, and elected officials sometimes want to use their titles. thanks very much Tom. Laura Creighton From Tom Deprez" <20020518164636.GA24542@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <01f901c1fe9c$c75eda00$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > I've sorted the titles on the name of the country. > > > > Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd. > > Are titles really necessary? I mean, I'd just like to register as > my name without title if I had to register, and it's hard to get all > the stuff right. And then people will get name tags saying Mr. Faassen? > Or what? I mean, I'd prefer my first name to be on there instead. So > we should be careful in how we use this, at least. No, but they are there now, and I don't want to fiddle too much on the registration form. I don't know why there is such a big fuss on this topic anyway... What does it matter.... I never use my titles, why should I? > It seems unfair to have 'Mrs' and 'Miss'; do we really need to know > about marital status of women? Use the neutral 'Ms' instead. Ok, I'll do that. > Regards, > > Martijn > From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 18 21:31:11 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 22:31:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form In-Reply-To: <01f901c1fe9c$c75eda00$058d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020518164636.GA24542@vet.uu.nl> <01f901c1fe9c$c75eda00$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020518203111.GA25350@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > I've sorted the titles on the name of the country. > > > > > > Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd. > > > > Are titles really necessary? I mean, I'd just like to register as > > my name without title if I had to register, and it's hard to get all > > the stuff right. And then people will get name tags saying Mr. Faassen? > > Or what? I mean, I'd prefer my first name to be on there instead. So > > we should be careful in how we use this, at least. > > No, but they are there now, and I don't want to fiddle too much on the > registration form. Okay, no problem whatsoever. :) > I don't know why there is such a big fuss on this topic anyway... > What does it matter.... I never use my titles, why should I? Not a big fuss from me, just wondering! Just a small fuss! Sorry! :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Sat May 18 22:08:58 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] fixed typoes Message-ID: <20020518210858.GA25437@vet.uu.nl> Hey, Just so you know what I'm up to, I just went through the EuroPython site and fixed some typoes. ('transfert' -> 'transfer' was a common one). I was inclined to edit some text but refrained; we want to retain that European charm. ;) Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <023701c1feb5$5ffb3980$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Thanks, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 11:08 PM Subject: [EuroPython] fixed typoes > Hey, > > Just so you know what I'm up to, I just went through the EuroPython > site and fixed some typoes. ('transfert' -> 'transfer' was a common one). > > I was inclined to edit some text but refrained; we want to retain that > European charm. ;) > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <002d01c1ff23$9bf72c50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Hi Stephan, > Hi, > > Since none of the Archaeopteryxians can make it to Europython in > person, That's too bad. It would have been great to have you on the congress. >we've been tossing around ideas for either advertising and/or having a >booth in absentia with someone outside of our company at the booth. >The latter would be basically just a place to distribute demo CDs for >our product, and maybe some leaflets. That's still possible, see prices at: http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring The prices for just a booth are really low. I don't think you'll find somewhere else a booth for such a low price. You only have to find a person willing to do for you. SideNote: Correct, this is the first congress in its row, but this doesn't mean that nobody has to support it by sponsership or hiring booths. If nobody supports it, well, then it will also be the last congress in its row. > Another idea would be for us to ship the CDs (and leaflets, if any) > to the site and have them distributed at registration, to each > attendee. That's one possibility as well and to tell you the truth, we haven't thought on this one. > Somewhere I thought I saw discussion about this, but now don't > see anything on the website. The only way at the moment for distibuting CD's/Leaflets is hiring a booth. http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors You could also hire a page in the leaflets which reportlab will make http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring > Is this an option? Yes, this is an option as well. Since we give every visitor a bag, we can include several things in there. > Is there an idea of the cost? We haven't thought on this, so we don't have a price ticket on this right now. But let met think, the only difference between this method and having a booth would be: 1) We've to do the work (somebody has to put it in the bags) 2) You reach every visitor, since its in his/her bag. Because this, I guess we can't go lower than the base price of the booths. Because of the above points, I would even go higher: 250 EUR? Of course, this is still open for discussion. > Also, any idea of attendance levels expected (or at least registration so far)? We've an idea of about 200-300 visitors. We can accompany 400-450 people and this is the level we want to reach. I think we can give an accurate registration amount after the press-release. > Thanks, > > - Stephan Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Sun May 19 12:26:20 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:26:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registration form References: <01b801c1fe89$583a8790$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <200205181648.g4IGmirW025797@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <3CE78BDC.7080609@lemburg.com> Laura Creighton wrote: >>ok, >> >>I've sorted the titles on the name of the country. >> >>Now following titles are possible: Mr.|Mrs.|Miss.|Dr.|Prof.|Phd. >> >>Did I forgot some which are generally used in conferences? > > > Miss doesn't get a period. Ms. does, and is very common. I have > never seen Phd used at all. Priests, Nuns, Judges, and elected > officials sometimes want to use their titles. I don't think we need titles in the database -- let's not make things complicated: Mr./Mrs./Ms. are enough to tell the gender which is what we're after here. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sun May 19 12:41:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:41:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Python conference speakers References: Message-ID: <3CE78F7F.5090505@lemburg.com> Frank Cohen wrote: > Hi EuroPython: Samuele Pedroni posted news of the European Python > conference. I am interested in attending the conference and possibly > speaking. I can't make the conference next month but would like to learn > about the next conference you have planned. I am planning to be at the Etre > conference in Spain in October. Provided this conference becomes a success, we plan to have EuroPython as annual event to complement the US based ones. > I manage an open-source project called TestMaker, which is used as a > framework to build intelligent test agents to check Web Services for > functionality, scalability and performance. Details are at > http://www.PushToTest.com. TestMaker embeds Jython as a scripting language > to drive a library of test objects. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Sun May 19 12:43:35 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:43:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] to _all_ track champions References: <010401c1fe58$5c7d57a0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CE78FE7.9060108@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi all, > > I would advice all track champions to make their decisions concerning the > talks. > Move them up to the track database. Set them to 'approved' if you know for > sure the talk will be given. Tim will move the business and web services talks from the wiki into the database early next week. For now, the wiki is the official resource for these two talks. > We can't to afford to wait longer. The longer we wait, the longer people > will wait to register > because they want to know who's giving a talk or not, etc. > > I would like to see most of the talks half this week at > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From sdeibel@wingide.com Mon May 20 01:26:35 2002 From: sdeibel@wingide.com (Stephan R.A. Deibel) Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 20:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [EuroPython] Cost of having materials distributed to attendees? In-Reply-To: <002d01c1ff23$9bf72c50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: On Sun, 19 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > We haven't thought on this, so we don't have a price ticket on this > right now. But let met think, the only difference between this method > and having a booth would be: > > 1) We've to do the work (somebody has to put it in the bags) > 2) You reach every visitor, since its in his/her bag. > > Because this, I guess we can't go lower than the base price of the > booths. Because of the above points, I would even go higher: 250 EUR? Something in that range would be quite acceptible for us. We'ld do that instead of hiring a booth, since it's much easier to arrange in absentia. > We've an idea of about 200-300 visitors. We can accompany 400-450 > people and this is the level we want to reach. I think we can give an > accurate registration amount after the press-release. That sounds good... quite impressive in fact, if you make it. We'ld need to know roughly the number about 2 weeks ahead of time, so it's not a big rush. By the way, your booth prices are indeed very good, and I think that's a *great* idea because it makes for a potentially much more lively exhibit at the conference. Python isn't a big money space at the moment, so I'm really happy to see you're scaling your conference accordingly. I hope you get lots of exhibitors. We'll definately be there for future conferences! - Stephan ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Wing IDE for Python Archaeopteryx Software, Inc www.wingide.com Take Flight! From Tom Deprez" Hi all, This is a reminder for the weekly Europython chat. Chat 15:00 UTC; (17:00 CET). (approx within an hour from now) At irc.openprojects.net (#europython) Following points are on the agenda: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/ChatLogMay20 If you've other points to discuss. Please let them know Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" From paul@zope.com Mon May 20 16:55:19 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:55:19 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <6q4rh6y5es.fsf@abnoba.intevation.de> Message-ID: <3CE91C67.4040705@zope.com> Bernhard Herzog wrote: > Paul Everitt writes: > > >>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the >>executive committee): >> >> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease > > > Is it necessary to start by repeating the same information (what, where, > when) three times? Seems a bit over-redundant. I think different formats for release will have parts of this removed (the lead-in, the HTML part, etc.) --Paul From paul@zope.com Mon May 20 17:10:42 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:10:42 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > holger@trillke.net wrote: > >>[Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400] >> >>>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the >>>executive committee): >>> >>> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease >> >>the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic >>experience that some more information would be appreciated: >> >>- how many people in europe are *approximately* using python >> (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown? > > > We had some wild figures in an early version of the previous > press release, but I took them out as I could not get anyone to > give us actual information on this. I don't know actually who put > them in. :) I don't think we should spend too much time on this. I agree with Martijn. If someone gives me a number, I'll include. Otherwise, I'm not going to be the one throwing a dart at the dartboard to guess a number. :^) >>- how is the conference organized (collaboratively...) > > > This would be nice. This was in a previous incarnation and I removed it. I'll add it back. >>- maybe mention that this is the second big free software >> developer's event this year. (the other beeing >> FOSDEM with 500-1000 people in Bruxelles earlier this year). > > > There are other events, like LinuxTag and so on, which should count > for something (even though that is for the public it also attracts > plenty of developers and side conferences etc). I'm trying to find the right place to tie this in. Perhaps with the point about how it was organized? Is it safe to say that FOSDEM and LinuxTag were also organized by developers? For instance: """ The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, which each attracted thousands of attendees. Like these conferences, EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source developers. """ >>- give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning >> talks' > > This would be nice to do, and we can actually come up with an approximate > figure. Though I think the track thing already helps there. Perhaps we > should say something about the tracks being *parallel*. :) I'll provide a number and mention parallel. I've updated: http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease --Paul From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon May 20 17:55:47 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 18:55:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] interviews? Message-ID: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open source news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with at least a part of our target audience (open source developers). So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts. If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of tracks we have (one and a half interview per track :). How does that sound? Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <023d01c20021$28f152e0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Good idea! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 6:55 PM Subject: [EuroPython] interviews? > Hi there, > > One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish > interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up > to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open source > news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with at > least a part of our target audience (open source developers). > > So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews > a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts. > > If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or > irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of tracks > we have (one and a half interview per track :). > > How does that sound? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From holger@trillke.net Mon May 20 18:42:51 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 19:42:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> [Paul Everitt Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:42PM -0400] > Martijn Faassen wrote: > >holger@trillke.net wrote: > > > >>[Paul Everitt Fri, May 17, 2002 at 01:49:32PM -0400] > >> > >>>Here is an updated version of the press release (reviewed earlier by the > >>>executive committee): > >>> > >>> http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease > >> > >>the press release sounds good, but let me note from my journalistic > >>experience that some more information would be appreciated: > >> > >>- how many people in europe are *approximately* using python > >> (10.000, 100.000 or ?). maybe it's completly unknown? > > > > > >We had some wild figures in an early version of the previous > >press release, but I took them out as I could not get anyone to > >give us actual information on this. I don't know actually who put > >them in. :) I don't think we should spend too much time on this. > > I agree with Martijn. If someone gives me a number, I'll include. > Otherwise, I'm not going to be the one throwing a dart at the dartboard > to guess a number. :^) of course not :-) Out of curiosity, shouldn't Zope Cooperation or other companies working with python products have some figures? Would be interesting after all. > >There are other events, like LinuxTag and so on, which should count > >for something (even though that is for the public it also attracts > >plenty of developers and side conferences etc). > > I'm trying to find the right place to tie this in. Perhaps with the > point about how it was organized? Is it safe to say that FOSDEM and > LinuxTag were also organized by developers? For instance: > > """ > The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open > source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, which > each attracted thousands of attendees. Like these conferences, > EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source > developers. > """ exactly what i would be looking for. What journalists *really* like about this paragraph is that you can copy it almost verbatim to your article :-) > >>- give a number like 'more than 100 tutorials/presentations/lightning > >> talks' > > > >This would be nice to do, and we can actually come up with an approximate > >figure. Though I think the track thing already helps there. Perhaps we > >should say something about the tracks being *parallel*. :) > > I'll provide a number and mention parallel. > > I've updated: > > http://europython.zope.nl/draftwiki/UpdatedPressRelease very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little: 'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7 tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track, summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts. Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and 'birds of a feather' sessions. ... it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-) greetings, holger From paul@zope.com Mon May 20 21:27:46 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:27:46 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> Message-ID: <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> holger@trillke.net wrote: > very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little: > > 'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7 > tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track, > summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts. > Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and > 'birds of a feather' sessions. ... > > it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-) Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true. I'm not a stickler for truth, though, when it comes to press releases. :^) --Paul From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon May 20 21:42:19 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:42:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > holger@trillke.net wrote: > > very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little: > > > > 'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7 > > tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track, > > summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts. > > Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and > > 'birds of a feather' sessions. ... > > > > it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-) > > Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true. I'm not a stickler for truth, > though, when it comes to press releases. :^) I wouldn't put in the 100; I think 30 talks with 7 tracks, and then on top of that lightning talks and BoFs, is impressive enough. Possibly saying something about the 3 parallel session program would be nice. Oh, and we didn't count the 2 keynotes in the 30+ figure, so I think we can reach 'more than 35' :) Regards, Martijn From paul@zope.com Mon May 20 21:52:25 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 16:52:25 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com> I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any last-minute critical corrections. I'm heading off for 7 days in France this Wednesday evening, and I'd like to get the process started for distributing the press release before I leave. NicolasC also needs time to make the last minute changes to the French version. Any other translators available? Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east coast U.S.) for comments. I'll begin distribution then. Thanks for all the input, everyone, especially Holger! --Paul Martijn Faassen wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > >>holger@trillke.net wrote: >> >>>very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little: >>> >>>'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7 >>>tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track, >>>summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts. >>>Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and >>>'birds of a feather' sessions. ... >>> >>>it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-) >> >>Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true. I'm not a stickler for truth, >>though, when it comes to press releases. :^) > > > I wouldn't put in the 100; I think 30 talks with 7 tracks, and then on > top of that lightning talks and BoFs, is impressive enough. > Possibly saying something about the 3 parallel session program would be > nice. > > Oh, and we didn't count the 2 keynotes in the 30+ figure, so I think we can > reach 'more than 35' :) > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com> Message-ID: <047a01c20045$4196cae0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Is ok for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "Martijn Faassen" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:52 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release > > I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any > last-minute critical corrections. > > I'm heading off for 7 days in France this Wednesday evening, and I'd > like to get the process started for distributing the press release > before I leave. NicolasC also needs time to make the last minute > changes to the French version. > > Any other translators available? > > Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east > coast U.S.) for comments. I'll begin distribution then. > > Thanks for all the input, everyone, especially Holger! > > --Paul > > Martijn Faassen wrote: > > Paul Everitt wrote: > > > >>holger@trillke.net wrote: > >> > >>>very nice now. Just one paragraph i'd change a little: > >>> > >>>'The conference program includes more than 100 events. There are 7 > >>>tracks, including a Zope, Science, Business, and Language track, > >>>summing up to 30 presentations from many well-known experts. > >>>Additionally there are tutorials, presentations, lightning talks and > >>>'birds of a feather' sessions. ... > >>> > >>>it's a matter of taste, anyway. But '100' is an eye catcher :-) > >> > >>Perhaps, but I don't believe it's true. I'm not a stickler for truth, > >>though, when it comes to press releases. :^) > > > > > > I wouldn't put in the 100; I think 30 talks with 7 tracks, and then on > > top of that lightning talks and BoFs, is impressive enough. > > Possibly saying something about the 3 parallel session program would be > > nice. > > > > Oh, and we didn't count the 2 keynotes in the 30+ figure, so I think we can > > reach 'more than 35' :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From paul@zope.com Mon May 20 22:28:16 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 17:28:16 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] interviews? References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com> I can get started on this. I think it will be important for a couple of other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly. --Paul Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish > interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up > to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open source > news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with at > least a part of our target audience (open source developers). > > So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews > a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts. > > If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or > irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of tracks > we have (one and a half interview per track :). > > How does that sound? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon May 20 22:34:52 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:34:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] interviews? In-Reply-To: <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com> References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020520213452.GA30678@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > I can get started on this. I think it will be important for a couple of > other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly. Okay, the Python Applications and Python Language track agree. :) I can interview some stuff for the Zope track: Stephan Richter (easy access), I can also easily get to Moshe/Itamar for the Twisted talk on the Python Apps track on irc, and obviously I can contact the others. And someone can interview me as well if they like. We should probably have an interview with Guido and ESR to draw in some hits. We can get them to say something so outrageous we can submit it to slashdot! ;) If we do, we should warn Amaze they can expect some hits though.. :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Mon May 20 22:35:49 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 23:35:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] FYI: Updated press release In-Reply-To: <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com> References: <3CE542AC.1070409@zope.com> <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com> Message-ID: <20020520213549.GB30678@vet.uu.nl> Paul Everitt wrote: > > I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any > last-minute critical corrections. > [snip] > Any other translators available? > > Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east > coast U.S.) for comments. I'll begin distribution then. Will we have a text only version then as well? I can send it off to some python channels and lwn, linuxtoday, newsforge and such. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com> <20020520213452.GA30678@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <04c301c20048$28421560$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > Paul Everitt wrote: > > I can get started on this. I think it will be important for a couple of > > other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly. > > Okay, the Python Applications and Python Language track agree. :) > > I can interview some stuff for the Zope track: Stephan Richter (easy access), > I can also easily get to Moshe/Itamar for the Twisted talk on the Python > Apps track on irc, and obviously I can contact the others. > > And someone can interview me as well if they like. We should probably have > an interview with Guido and ESR to draw in some hits. We can get them > to say something so outrageous we can submit it to slashdot! ;) If we do, > we should warn Amaze they can expect some hits though.. :) I think that all tracks will agree, don't see why not. Let's do it, do it, do it, do it. We _need_ advertisement Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <20020517204924.GC13621@trillke.net> <20020517212237.GA22733@vet.uu.nl> <3CE92002.8080501@zope.com> <20020520174251.GE32408@trillke.net> <3CE95C42.7050200@zope.com> <20020520204219.GA30285@vet.uu.nl> <3CE96209.3070209@zope.com> <20020520213549.GB30678@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <04c801c20048$2b3f9df0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > Paul Everitt wrote: > > > > I suggest that we are done with the press release, unless anyone has any > > last-minute critical corrections. > > > [snip] > > Any other translators available? > > > > Thus, I propose that tomorrow morning is the cutoff point (my time, east > > coast U.S.) for comments. I'll begin distribution then. > > Will we have a text only version then as well? We need as much as different version as possible. The press release should be send to every possible channel. > I can send it off to some python channels and lwn, linuxtoday, newsforge and such. I encourge, that once the final press-release is available (tomorrow morning), everybody uses his/her own resources/channels to attract as many people as possible > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From sf@fermigier.com Tue May 21 08:20:27 2002 From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:20:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] interviews? In-Reply-To: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl>; from faassen@vet.uu.nl on Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:55:47PM +0200 References: <20020520165547.GA29789@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <20020521092026.A58147@math.jussieu.fr> On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:55:47PM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, >=20 > One thing that FOSDEM did this year that I liked is to publish > interviews with some of the speakers in regular intervals leading up > to the conference. This gets picked up by quite a few of the open sourc= e > news sites, and it'd be *very* good publicity for the conference with a= t=20 > least a part of our target audience (open source developers). >=20 > So if we started doing this this week, at a rate of about 2 interviews > a week, we'd have about 10 interviews by the time the conference starts. >=20 > If the track champions take care of the interviews through email and/or > irc, we can I think reach this amount pretty easily with the amount of = tracks > we have (one and a half interview per track :). >=20 > How does that sound? Great idea. Plus interviews are of great value, even for those who won't be able to m= ake it to the conference. S. --=20 St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/ "Amazon: we patent the dot in .com" From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 10:02:52 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:02:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] interviews? In-Reply-To: <3CE96A70.7020301@zope.com> Message-ID: > I can get started on this. I think it will be important for a couple of > other tracks to agree for the idea to work correctly. I'll try to do that for the Python & Science track and will let the list know how it goes... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 10:17:33 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 11:17:33 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Python & Science specialist [babu@bessy.de: Question] In-Reply-To: <20020518033500.O7754@carolo.net> Message-ID: > Nicolas will you take care of this mail ? Done. I offered him to present a lightning talk. I already have a couple of them, I'll need to synchronize that with the other people that have some. Anyone here does ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 11:33:13 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Talks start time and duration. Message-ID: Hi, For the Python & Science track, I have planned on 30 mn talks (3 per session), but the form will not let me enter start times for talks that do not last 45 mn (i.e. there is 11am, then 11:45am, but no 11:30am). Could someone please fix that or let me know how to fix it ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 11:36:49 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:36:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Talks start time and duration. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Could someone please fix that or let me know how to fix it ? I just found how to fix it :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 11:44:32 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:44:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] interview procedure Message-ID: <20020521104432.GA31833@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, If we're indeed going ahead with interviews (we have the Python Language Track, Python Apss Track, Zope track and Science and Industry track in favor at the moment), then we need to make some plans on how we conduct, format and publish them. Publication won't be that hard if we format them right. Something very simple that a script can HTML-ize seems enough. Let's say: name: question name: answer with empty lines between question and answer segments. Name can be an abbreviation/first name if we have a segment on top explaining them. Perhaps we should call the person who asks the questions 'europython' so people don't miss what it is about. :) Interviews can be 'conducted' in email or on irc. Procedure would be for the interviewer to slightly edit the interview and send it back to the interviewee for approval, then if approval is in we can go ahead and publish it on the site. We need a small 'press release' type thing we can send off to the various news sites to announce the new interview. I imagine conducting it remotely will be the normal pattern; perhaps even the best that people don't interview people they know too well already, or they won't ask the right questions (making too many assumptions about stuff they know about already, perhaps), though at the same time they shouldn't be entirely new to the subject matter either, or they won't ask the right questions either. :) We should come up with some 'stock questions' we can use to get interviews started. We should look at other interviews for this. Anyone on the list have experience with conducting interviews? We definitely need interviews of Guido and ESR if at all possible. Next would be for various other people listed on the front page, and so on. Regards, Martijn From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 11:56:31 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 12:56:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Comment on timetable Message-ID: Hello, In order to organize the Python&Science track I had to read the timetable several times and my conclusion is that it would be nicer if we could remove the legend and put the names of the tracks directly in the chart, as it is for "Zope3 Tutorial". The way it is now, you always have to switch back and forth from the legend to the chart to figure out what is specific session is about. 6 different colors is too many for normal human beings to remember in one glance. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 12:08:52 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:08:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Comment on timetable References: Message-ID: <3CEA2AC4.9060107@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hello, > > In order to organize the Python&Science track I had to read the timetable > several times and my conclusion is that it would be nicer if we could > remove the legend and put the names of the tracks directly in the chart, > as it is for "Zope3 Tutorial". The way it is now, you always have to > switch back and forth from the legend to the chart to figure out what is > specific session is about. 6 different colors is too many for normal human > beings to remember in one glance. +1. I think Tom is already working on this, since we discussed this some meetings ago. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Hi, Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch? Regards, Tom. From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 13:15:24 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:15:24 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEA3A5C.4030509@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi, > > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch? It looks ok to me... if there's anything we forgot, we can have a reminder release to the mailing lists later on in June. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Tue May 21 13:17:07 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:17:07 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEA3AC3.2010209@zope.com> I had a deadline this morning (now) for final comments. So I think the answer is yes. We'll start in the next few hours to distribute it. --Paul Tom Deprez wrote: > Hi, > > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch? > > Regards, > Tom. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 13:28:13 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:28:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk In-Reply-To: <200205211200.g4LC0ulX001212@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 May 2002, Laura Creighton wrote: > Somebody at AB Strakt wants to give one on 'what we are doing at AB Strakt'. > Whom do we register with? > > Laura Hi Folks, Laura just sent me this note. So far, it appears that no one took care of LTalks [wait, Paul Everitt is listed as track champion]. Now that I'm almost done with the Python&Science track, I'm stepping forward and offering to take care of the LTalks. Is this OK with everyone ? Unless someone disagrees, I will help Paul take care of this and from now on be known as "The other Lightning Talks Track Champion" :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 13:41:17 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:41:17 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release In-Reply-To: <3CEA3AC3.2010209@zope.com> Message-ID: > I had a deadline this morning (now) for final comments. So I think the > answer is yes. We'll start in the next few hours to distribute it. I just edited it a tiny bit : * reordered keynoters (BDFL first) * removed contact names that were not active on the list recently (Nicolas Pettiaux, Stéfane Fermigier, Tim Couper). I suppose that if they don't have much time at the moment, getting calls regarding the organization will be a bother. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 13:49:41 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:49:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk References: Message-ID: <3CEA4265.1060504@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Laura Creighton wrote: > > >>Somebody at AB Strakt wants to give one on 'what we are doing at AB Strakt'. >>Whom do we register with? >> >>Laura > > > Hi Folks, > > Laura just sent me this note. So far, it appears that no one took care of > LTalks [wait, Paul Everitt is listed as track champion]. Now that I'm > almost done with the Python&Science track, I'm stepping forward and > offering to take care of the LTalks. > > Is this OK with everyone ? > > Unless someone disagrees, I will help Paul take care of this and from now > on be known as "The other Lightning Talks Track Champion" :-) +1 -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 13:56:23 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:56:23 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) Message-ID: Hi, I'm getting ready to send more information about the conference to the speakers of the Python&Science Track and since there isn't much about it in the wiki, I need answers to the following questions : > 2. What is the infrastrucure (PC,projector,flip-over...) ? For > example, is it possible to come with a PowerPoint file on a diskette ? > > 3. Do you plan to have proceedings ? I yes, I need guidelines about > paper formatting. > > 4. I have heard that speakers don't pay the entrance. Can I consider > that I am automatically enrolled, or is there a special registration > form to fill in ? My guesses are : 2. No. If you make it with PowerPoint, export it to PNG. Send it as soon as it is ready for us to prepare the CD (see below). We'll have a laptop connected to a beamer. If you send your material in advance, it will be waiting for you on the laptop. 3. Yes. A CD will be distributed to participants and a website will let people download content. 4. "non-lightning" speakers don't pay the entrance. You are automatically enrolled. No special form to fill in. Am I right ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From paul@zope.com Tue May 21 13:57:12 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 08:57:12 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk References: Message-ID: <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com> FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org. There is a page in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk speakers. Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the direction of giving lightning talks. --Paul Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Laura Creighton wrote: > > >>Somebody at AB Strakt wants to give one on 'what we are doing at AB Strakt'. >>Whom do we register with? >> >>Laura > > > Hi Folks, > > Laura just sent me this note. So far, it appears that no one took care of > LTalks [wait, Paul Everitt is listed as track champion]. Now that I'm > almost done with the Python&Science track, I'm stepping forward and > offering to take care of the LTalks. > > Is this OK with everyone ? > > Unless someone disagrees, I will help Paul take care of this and from now > on be known as "The other Lightning Talks Track Champion" :-) > From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 13:57:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:57:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete Message-ID: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing a few tracks: * Python Language * Python Tutorials * Python Applications We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes out ! To the track champions of those tracks: please add the talk information today. The URL for adding talks is: http://europython.zope.nl/Talks (login is required). -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 13:58:01 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk In-Reply-To: <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com> Message-ID: > FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list > and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org. There is a page > in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk speakers. I added some stuff there. > Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the direction of > giving lightning talks. Good, I've been doing the same. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 14:13:12 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:13:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3CEA47E8.4050908@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > I'm getting ready to send more information about the conference to the > speakers of the Python&Science Track and since there isn't much about it > in the wiki, I need answers to the following questions : > > >>2. What is the infrastrucure (PC,projector,flip-over...) ? For >>example, is it possible to come with a PowerPoint file on a diskette ? >> >>3. Do you plan to have proceedings ? I yes, I need guidelines about >>paper formatting. >> >>4. I have heard that speakers don't pay the entrance. Can I consider >>that I am automatically enrolled, or is there a special registration >>form to fill in ? > > > My guesses are : > > 2. No. If you make it with PowerPoint, export it to PNG. Send it as soon > as it is ready for us to prepare the CD (see below). We'll have a laptop > connected to a beamer. If you send your material in advance, it will be > waiting for you on the laptop. For the CD we'll need either HTML or PDF (the latter is much preferred). Assuming that the track champions can provide a notebook to use for the presentation, you can also bring along the PowerPoint file (make sure that that you include the fonts in that file). For the business track this will certainly be possible. > 3. Yes. A CD will be distributed to participants and a website will let > people download content. Note that it won't be distributed in the sense of "here's the CD". We'll provide an ISO image which you can download to burn the CD yourself. > 4. "non-lightning" speakers don't pay the entrance. You are automatically > enrolled. No special form to fill in. Right. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 14:24:59 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:24:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3CEA47E8.4050908@lemburg.com> Message-ID: I stored answers at http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceMaterial -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 14:41:21 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:41:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3CEA4E81.3090702@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > I stored answers at > > http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/ConferenceMaterial > I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From seb@jamkit.com Tue May 21 15:46:13 2002 From: seb@jamkit.com (seb bacon) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:46:13 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk References: <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com> Message-ID: <3CEA5DB5.3000100@jamkit.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list > and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org. There is a page > in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk speakers. > Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the direction of giving > lightning talks. > > --Paul Hi folks, Just surfacing having not had time to contribute anything lately. I could put together some Zope lightning talks. Ideas which spring to mind are 'making the CMF usable', 'building a business on Zope', 'Zope advocacy'... The only thing is, I'm not sure yet that I can make it to the conference..! Should I put my ideas on the Wiki? When would the deadline be for committing myself to coming (apart from 'as soon as possible')? seb From paul@zope.com Tue May 21 14:56:11 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 09:56:11 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk References: <3CEA4428.3000308@zope.com> <3CEA5DB5.3000100@jamkit.com> Message-ID: <3CEA51FB.2030501@zope.com> All of these topics are fair game for lightning talks. In my opinion, lightning talks shouldn't be planned to far in advance. I'd like to get about half the slots filled in the next few weeks, then reserve room for people that won't find out if they can attend until late in the process. --Paul seb bacon wrote: > Paul Everitt wrote: > >> >> FWIW, I sent out a lightning talk announcement to both the python list >> and zope-announce list, plus a news item on zope.org. There is a page >> in the wiki where I am accumulating interested lightning talk >> speakers. Tom and I are steering the rejected speakers in the >> direction of giving lightning talks. >> >> --Paul > > > Hi folks, > > Just surfacing having not had time to contribute anything lately. > > I could put together some Zope lightning talks. Ideas which spring to > mind are 'making the CMF usable', 'building a business on Zope', 'Zope > advocacy'... > > The only thing is, I'm not sure yet that I can make it to the conference..! > > Should I put my ideas on the Wiki? When would the deadline be for > committing myself to coming (apart from 'as soon as possible')? > > seb > From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 15:24:57 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:24:57 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Re: lightning talk In-Reply-To: <3CEA51FB.2030501@zope.com> Message-ID: > In my opinion, lightning talks shouldn't be planned to far in advance. > I'd like to get about half the slots filled in the next few weeks, then > reserve room for people that won't find out if they can attend until > late in the process. ok. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 16:02:03 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:02:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press-Release In-Reply-To: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020521150203.GA32534@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch? Again it is essential we contact ESR before we announce he'll give our keynote. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 16:06:44 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:06:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing > a few tracks: > > * Python Language > * Python Tutorials > * Python Applications > > We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes > out ! You mean you need the data to be public? I did not realize that this was the case. Is this a new requirement for the press release? (I thought online registration was the main thing holding us up) I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we haven't assigned specific times yet. Um, I'll try to accomplish this tonight.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 16:09:09 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:09:09 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020521150909.GC32534@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing > a few tracks: > > * Python Language > * Python Tutorials > * Python Applications > > We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes > out ! Looking at the public view at: http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks I see that various talks are actually not scheduled in yet, having a time of 00. I can easily publicize this information, except for one or two talks still in flux on the Python Language track which I can add later. Also the day information on the Python Language track will still not be done (either day 1 or 2, as it spans days). Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020521150203.GA32534@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <028601c200da$b5010a50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Denis, Have you contacted EST already on this topic? Or did he already knew that he was asked for a keynote. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:02 PM Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release > Tom Deprez wrote: > > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch? > > Again it is essential we contact ESR before we announce he'll give our > keynote. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 16:21:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:21:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing >>a few tracks: >> >>* Python Language >>* Python Tutorials >>* Python Applications >> >>We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes >>out ! > > > You mean you need the data to be public? I did not realize that this was > the case. Is this a new requirement for the press release? (I thought > online registration was the main thing holding us up) That too, but the talk descriptions is what people will look at to judge whether it's worth coming or not... > I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we > haven't assigned specific times yet. Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface. > Um, I'll try to accomplish this tonight.. Great. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 16:22:06 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:22:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020521152206.GD32534@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > http://europython.zope.nl/Talks (login is required). Argh, I seem to have the greatest difficulty actually getting to an overview where I can *edit* the talks today. I've always had trouble with this user interface, but today it seems to be completely obscure (I always had to be lucky to get there in some way I don't understand). The default add page doesn't have a link to the list, the link that appears at the bottom after I add a dummy track which *should* bring me back to the list just brings me to the add page, and I don't know what's going on.. Can someone help me? I can get 2 different overviews but none where I can edit. [mess around for 5 more minutes, shut down web browser, mess around more..] Um, *there* it is. I don't know how I actually go there, except that it is pretty weird. The Talks URL goes sometimes to the Add screen, but sometimes to the Edit screen. Bizarre. Regards, Martijn From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 16:24:16 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:24:16 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150909.GC32534@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CEA66A0.2000208@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>Looking at the track database, I find that it's still missing >>a few tracks: >> >>* Python Language >>* Python Tutorials >>* Python Applications >> >>We must have the data in the database *before* the press release goes >>out ! > > > Looking at the public view at: > > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks > > I see that various talks are actually not scheduled in yet, having a > time of 00. I can easily publicize this information, except for one or two > talks still in flux on the Python Language track which I can add later. > Also the day information on the Python Language track will still not > be done (either day 1 or 2, as it spans days). Well, both time and content are important, but if you only have content available, that's fine too. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 16:31:09 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:31:09 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <20020521152206.GD32534@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > http://europython.zope.nl/Talks (login is required). > > Argh, I seem to have the greatest difficulty actually getting to an > overview where I can *edit* the talks today. I've always had trouble > with this user interface, but today it seems to be completely > obscure (I always had to be lucky to get there in some way I don't > understand). The default add page doesn't have a link to the list, > the link that appears at the bottom after I add a dummy track which > *should* bring me back to the list just brings me to the add page, and > I don't know what's going on.. > > Can someone help me? I can get 2 different overviews but none where I can > edit. Try login in the ZMI first, then try editing the talks. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 16:41:19 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:41:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEA66A0.2000208@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150909.GC32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA66A0.2000208@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020521154119.GA417@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: [snip] > >I see that various talks are actually not scheduled in yet, having a > >time of 00. I can easily publicize this information, except for one or > >two talks still in flux on the Python Language track which I can add > >later. > >Also the day information on the Python Language track will still not > >be done (either day 1 or 2, as it spans days). > > Well, both time and content are important, but if you only have > content available, that's fine too. The times will happen later today. The day indication on the Python Language track is a bit in flux and I have a number of talks not confirmed yet due to the Alex Martelli/tutorial track issue. Shae and I will try to work this out tonight as well. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 16:49:41 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:49:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] blobs of text issue Message-ID: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I have various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either. Regards, Martijn From Samuele Pedroni" from the press release: "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language." with just 1 talk does this makes sense? regards. From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 17:21:36 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:21:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] wondering References: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <3CEA7410.6070205@lemburg.com> Samuele Pedroni wrote: > from the press release: > > "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, > the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language." > > with just 1 talk does this makes sense? Sure. (Even though two talks would be twice as good ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 18:25:08 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:25:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) In-Reply-To: <3CEA4E81.3090702@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the > standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ? I did that, but now I need help to hook it up to the rest of the site as I'm not used to Localizer... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 21 18:34:44 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 19:34:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 May 2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the > > standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ? > > I did that, but now I need help to hook it up to the rest of the > site as I'm not used to Localizer... Never mind, I eventually found out what piece of code had to be edited :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From lac@strakt.com Tue May 21 19:21:26 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 20:21:26 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release In-Reply-To: Message from "Tom Deprez" of "Tue, 21 May 2002 17:17:36 +0200." <028601c200da$b5010a50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <000d01c200c0$62054ab0$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <20020521150203.GA32534@vet.uu.nl> <028601c200da$b5010a50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <200205211821.g4LILQ34002638@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Denis, > > Have you contacted EST already on this topic? Or did he already knew that he > was asked for a keynote. > > Regards, > Tom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martijn Faassen" > To: "Tom Deprez" > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 5:02 PM > Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Press-Release > > > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Is the press-release ok? Ready to launch? > > > > Again it is essential we contact ESR before we announce he'll give our > > keynote. > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > _______________________________________________ > > Tom mailing list > > Tom@carolo.net > > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython I know that ESR knows that he is giving the keynote. And I don't know if he is home and reading email this week. Laura Creighton From Tom Deprez" <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Sorry, but it looks like all the mails were hold by the mail server... argh! > > I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we > > haven't assigned specific times yet. > > Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface. You've to set the talks status to 'accepted'! > > Um, I'll try to accomplish this tonight.. > > Great. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00b501c200f6$7da33d00$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Martijn, > Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not > display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I have > various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty > line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but > that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either. Go ahead and change it. You should be able to do it. You've access to the user interface. Tom > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Sorry for the email problems I'm having, I'm trying to fix them as soon as possible. Tom. From Tom Deprez" Can somebody try to send an email to tom@aragne.com and tell me what happens through tom.deprez@village.uunet.be? Thanks, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Hi all, Sorry for my mail troubles, I learned something new today :-) Now, were there mails specific directed to me in which you need my answer/help badly? Again, sorry for the trouble, Regards, Tom From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 20:29:03 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:29:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] wondering In-Reply-To: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico> References: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico> Message-ID: <20020521192903.GA995@vet.uu.nl> Samuele Pedroni wrote: > from the press release: > > "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, > the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language." > > with just 1 talk does this makes sense? Well, we still showcase it, but I agree two talks on Jython would've been better. Regards, Martijn From pedroni@inf.ethz.ch Tue May 21 20:39:16 2002 From: pedroni@inf.ethz.ch (Samuele Pedroni) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:39:16 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] wondering References: <00ad01c200e0$7ad74dc0$6d94fea9@newmexico> <20020521192903.GA995@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <03ae01c200ff$3197fd20$6d94fea9@newmexico> > Samuele Pedroni wrote: > > from the press release: > > > > "Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, > > the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language." > > > > with just 1 talk does this makes sense? > > Well, we still showcase it, but I agree two talks on Jython would've > been better. > I was just checking, I never asked for Europython to focus more on Jython. Tha's not an impulse coming from my part. So far it seems no Jython user is interested in giving a talk. On my part I continue not to see who would be the audience for a Jython introduction. regards. From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 20:57:36 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 21:57:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Questions about presentations (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3CEAA6B0.2030808@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > >>>I think it would be better to have a FAQ like page on the >>>standard web-site for these things. Could you create one ? >> >>I did that, but now I need help to hook it up to the rest of the >>site as I'm not used to Localizer... > > > Never mind, I eventually found out what piece of code had to be edited :-) Thanks. I wouldn't have known the answer anyway ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 21:02:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:02:06 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: >>>I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we >>>haven't assigned specific times yet. >> >>Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface. > > > You've to set the talks status to 'accepted'! Hmm, would be nice if this were documented on the interface page somewhere... BTW, I'd also like a way to edit existing entries -- haven't found that interface yet... -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, so it shouldn't be that easy :-)) Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it. If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-) Mmm, this should work : Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage and use your login information to get in. Go to the index_html page. Click on the view test tab Now you should have your interface. After you've logged in, this should work as well : http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: "Martijn Faassen" ; "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 10:02 PM Subject: Re: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete > Tom Deprez wrote: > >>>I added the data last week as one of the first people who did, but we > >>>haven't assigned specific times yet. > >> > >>Hmm, it doesn't show in the public interface. > > > > > > You've to set the talks status to 'accepted'! > > Hmm, would be nice if this were documented on the interface > page somewhere... > > BTW, I'd also like a way to edit existing entries -- haven't > found that interface yet... > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 21:51:27 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 22:51:27 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, so it > shouldn't be that easy :-)) > Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it. > If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-) > > Mmm, this should work : > > Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage > and use your login information to get in. > Go to the index_html page. Hmm, this gives me an error message: Error Type: Undefined Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header" > Click on the view test tab > Now you should have your interface. > > After you've logged in, this should work as well : > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html .... and this shows page where I can add new talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit link right next to it :-) (or at least some sort of page which lists the records together with edit and delete links) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <021d01c2010e$17804f50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > > The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, so it > > shouldn't be that easy :-)) > > Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it. > > If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-) > > > > Mmm, this should work : > > > > Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage > > and use your login information to get in. > > Go to the index_html page. > > Hmm, this gives me an error message: > Error Type: Undefined > Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header" > Mmm, there we've that problem again.... Which browser do you use? > > Click on the view test tab > > Now you should have your interface. > > > > After you've logged in, this should work as well : > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html > > .... and this shows page where I can add new > talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit > link right next to it :-) Well, the edit link should be there..... It's not there because you're not logged in.... Can you log in at www.europython.org/manage ? If so, log in like that and then enter the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html Tom. > (or at least some sort of page which lists the records > together with edit and delete links) The edit links will only appear if you've managed to log in into zope. That's kind of security... anonymous users only get to see the page without the edit/delete links. Tom. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 23:03:54 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:03:54 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020521220354.GA1697@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: [snip] > Hmm, would be nice if this were documented on the interface > page somewhere... > > BTW, I'd also like a way to edit existing entries -- haven't > found that interface yet... There is a way, but it's sort of magically hidden; the same URL sometimes does it, after you logged in, if you put a / after Talks. Or something. Not always. I don't really understand.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Tue May 21 23:07:08 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:07:08 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: [snip] > Hmm, this gives me an error message: > Error Type: Undefined > Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header" This is a bizarre Zope bug I've run into before. Quit your browser and try again. > >Click on the view test tab > >Now you should have your interface. > > > >After you've logged in, this should work as well : > >http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html > > .... and this shows page where I can add new > talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit > link right next to it :-) Right, the same url shows the other list sometimes, and sometimes this. It is extraordinarily obscure. :) > (or at least some sort of page which lists the records > together with edit and delete links) This page exists, it's just magic and appears and disappears... Try a slash after Talks/ and see if that helps. And log in into the Zope root first, so http://www.europython.org/manage I found that seemed to work for me.. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <030b01c20114$f156b380$058d84d5@skullsplitter> > > .... and this shows page where I can add new > > talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit > > link right next to it :-) > > Right, the same url shows the other list sometimes, and sometimes this. > It is extraordinarily obscure. :) nope, it only shows up when you're an authenticated user.... so if you access the page as anonymous user, then you don't see it. If you're logged in, then you should see it. > > (or at least some sort of page which lists the records > > together with edit and delete links) > > This page exists, it's just magic and appears and disappears... > > Try a slash after Talks/ and see if that helps. And log in into > the Zope root first, so http://www.europython.org/manage > I found that seemed to work for me.. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 21 23:19:27 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:19:27 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <021d01c2010e$17804f50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEAC7EF.6010302@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: >>>The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, >> > so it > >>>shouldn't be that easy :-)) >>>Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it. >>>If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-) >>> >>>Mmm, this should work : >>> >>>Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage >>>and use your login information to get in. >>>Go to the index_html page. >> >>Hmm, this gives me an error message: >>Error Type: Undefined >>Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header" >> > > > Mmm, there we've that problem again.... > Which browser do you use? Mozilla 1.0RC2 >>>Click on the view test tab >>>Now you should have your interface. >>> >>>After you've logged in, this should work as well : >>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html >> >>.... and this shows page where I can add new >>talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit >>link right next to it :-) > > > Well, the edit link should be there..... > It's not there because you're not logged in.... > Can you log in at www.europython.org/manage ? Yep. > If so, log in like that and then enter the url > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html I am logged in, but the page just lets me "add a talk", not select any from a list. > Tom. > >>(or at least some sort of page which lists the records >>together with edit and delete links) > > > The edit links will only appear if you've managed to log in into zope. > That's kind of security... anonymous users only get to see the page without > the edit/delete links. Hmm, could all this be related to using Mozilla ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <021d01c2010e$17804f50$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAC7EF.6010302@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <056e01c20116$9e47d050$058d84d5@skullsplitter> I've just tested this with Mozilla 1.0 Release Candidate 1 and it all works... What kind of wizardry is this? Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: "Martijn Faassen" ; "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:19 AM Subject: Re: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete > Tom Deprez wrote: > >>>The interface isn't good, we know, but this is for the track managers, > >> > > so it > > > >>>shouldn't be that easy :-)) > >>>Since it is temporary, we don't want to put too much time in it. > >>>If there is a next time, we'll improve it, not Joachim ? :-) > >>> > >>>Mmm, this should work : > >>> > >>>Go to the url http://www.europython.org/Talks/manage > >>>and use your login information to get in. > >>>Go to the index_html page. > >> > >>Hmm, this gives me an error message: > >>Error Type: Undefined > >>Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header" > >> > > > > > > Mmm, there we've that problem again.... > > Which browser do you use? > > Mozilla 1.0RC2 > > >>>Click on the view test tab > >>>Now you should have your interface. > >>> > >>>After you've logged in, this should work as well : > >>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html > >> > >>.... and this shows page where I can add new > >>talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit > >>link right next to it :-) > > > > > > Well, the edit link should be there..... > > It's not there because you're not logged in.... > > Can you log in at www.europython.org/manage ? > > Yep. > > > If so, log in like that and then enter the url > > > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html > > I am logged in, but the page just lets me "add a talk", > not select any from a list. > > > Tom. > > > >>(or at least some sort of page which lists the records > >>together with edit and delete links) > > > > > > The edit links will only appear if you've managed to log in into zope. > > That's kind of security... anonymous users only get to see the page without > > the edit/delete links. > > Hmm, could all this be related to using Mozilla ? > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" What happened last week (week 20)? * We created a new EuroPython2002 poster * We announced the Booths page http://europython.zope.nl/exhibitors There are two different booths available... have a look at it and decide. We think that everybody should be able to find something for his/her needs. * We announced the Sponsor page http://europython.zope.nl/sponsoring Yes, you can buy a page in the leaflet which will be created by ReportLab! * We announced the talks page, which should now contain most talks http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks * ESR (Day 2) and Guido Van Rossum (Day 1) keynotes are confirmed * Joachim and Tom launched the registration page. If you haven't registered yourself, then do it now! This is you chance to say: "Yes!, we want such a conference" https://secure.zope.nl/europython/Registration * Paul Everitt, created a press-release which will be released this week (week 21) * Godefroid and Juan-David started to make the website multilingual. * The main menu was cleaned up. Now you should find everything even better ;-) * To _all_ Again, spread the word! We need all the help we can get! Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Ok, Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now. http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule Regards, Tom. From itamar@zoteca.com Wed May 22 01:16:48 2002 From: itamar@zoteca.com (Itamar Shtull-Trauring) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 02:16:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful Message-ID: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> Is how close the different hotels are to the conference center. Also, maybe you could setup a wiki on the site? I'm sure people have all kinds of things they'd like to coordinate, e.g. sharing hotel rooms to save money, rides, questions, etc.. From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 08:14:58 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:14:58 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CEB4572.5060903@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > [snip] > >>Hmm, this gives me an error message: >>Error Type: Undefined >>Error Value: "manage_page_header" not found in "here/manage_page_header" > > > This is a bizarre Zope bug I've run into before. Quit your browser and > try again. > > >>>Click on the view test tab >>>Now you should have your interface. >>> >>>After you've logged in, this should work as well : >>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html >> >>.... and this shows page where I can add new >>talks. I would like a list of talks with an edit >>link right next to it :-) > > > Right, the same url shows the other list sometimes, and sometimes this. > It is extraordinarily obscure. :) > > >>(or at least some sort of page which lists the records >>together with edit and delete links) > > > This page exists, it's just magic and appears and disappears... > > Try a slash after Talks/ and see if that helps. And log in into > the Zope root first, so http://www.europython.org/manage > I found that seemed to work for me.. Interesting. This seems to work for me as well. Strange Zope world :-) Thanks Martijn, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 08:17:02 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:17:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables References: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEB45EE.1050407@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > Ok, > > Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now. > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule Much better ! Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 10:41:47 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:41:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful In-Reply-To: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> References: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> Message-ID: <20020522094147.GA2808@vet.uu.nl> Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote: > Is how close the different hotels are to the conference center. I'd like to know this as well, even though we already made reservations (Hotel Balladins). > Also, maybe you could setup a wiki on the site? I'm sure people have all > kinds of things they'd like to coordinate, e.g. sharing hotel rooms to > save money, rides, questions, etc.. Hm, another wiki would be a good idea. I'll look at adding one. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 10:43:40 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:43:40 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEB4572.5060903@lemburg.com> References: <3CEA444F.2000607@lemburg.com> <20020521150644.GB32534@vet.uu.nl> <3CEA65FA.1030709@lemburg.com> <00b401c200f6$7a57bb80$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAA7BE.5090801@lemburg.com> <01d001c20109$301a7950$058d84d5@skullsplitter> <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> <20020521220708.GB1697@vet.uu.nl> <3CEB4572.5060903@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020522094340.GB2808@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Interesting. This seems to work for me as well. > > Strange Zope world :-) This isn't a Zope issue (we use it; we know :) but special to this particular application. I mean, this 'add the slash thing' is really obscure and not commonly encountered in Zope. And even *that* didn't always seem to work for me.. Okay, enough bitching about the app for today! Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 10:49:18 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 11:49:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] early bird.. Message-ID: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. What do people think? Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <045101c20177$76464d50$1e71a8c0@u10136> +1 Regards, Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:49 AM Subject: [EuroPython] early bird.. > Hi there, > > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. > > What do people think? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 22 11:14:34 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:14:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] early bird.. In-Reply-To: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <51930000.1022062473@[10.2.1.1]> we shouldn't do it directly, but we can do the extension lets say on the=20 31. with another mail, that earlybird registration is extended for some=20 more days. --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 11:49:18 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20 wrote: > Hi there, > > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. > > What do people think? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <51930000.1022062473@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <049f01c2017d$7b475f50$1e71a8c0@u10136> correct, was my idea as well, but we must be sure to make it certain people will notice it, thus a new press release would be good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Schmitz" To: "Martijn Faassen" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] early bird.. > we shouldn't do it directly, but we can do the extension lets say on th= e > 31. with another mail, that earlybird registration is extended for some > more days. > > > --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 11:49:18 +0200 Martijn Faassen > wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out > > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perha= ps > > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. > > > > What do people think? > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 11:49:13 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:49:13 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] early bird.. References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. > > What do people think? -1 I'd rather have people hurry up than to give them even more time to think about attending or not. If we don't get enough registrations per May 31 then we'll have a serious budget problem. It's better to take action regarding this early than too late. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 11:50:28 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 12:50:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ? Message-ID: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com> Paul, could you give us a progress report about the new press release ? Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From paul@zope.com Wed May 22 11:55:32 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 06:55:32 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ? References: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com> This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out before leaving for 7 days. Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on getting it into a number of channels. I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got accomplished. --Paul M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Paul, could you give us a progress report about the new > press release ? > > Thanks, From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 22 12:41:58 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:41:58 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEAB34F.6030204@lemburg.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > After you've logged in, this should work as well : > > http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html > > .... and this shows page where I can add new talks. I would like a > list of talks with an edit link right next to it :-) Been there. You have to be _logged_in_ in order to get the interface you want. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 22 12:46:10 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 13:46:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables In-Reply-To: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: > Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now. > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule I like it much better. Thanks. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com> Message-ID: <051f01c20186$8633eab0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Everybody agreed on it, so I think you can safely send it to all possible channels. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Everitt" To: "M.-A. Lemburg" Cc: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ? > > This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out > before leaving for 7 days. Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on > getting it into a number of channels. > > I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got > accomplished. > > --Paul > > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > Paul, could you give us a progress report about the new > > press release ? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 22 13:00:21 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:00:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] early bird.. In-Reply-To: <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > > I know this is late in the day, but since we're only starting to send out > > the press release now and the deadline in in less than 10 days, perhaps > > a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. > > > > What do people think? > > -1 > > I'd rather have people hurry up than to give them even more time > to think about attending or not. > > If we don't get enough registrations per May 31 then we'll > have a serious budget problem. It's better to take action > regarding this early than too late. Same here. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 13:01:29 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:01:29 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: Message-ID: <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Tue, 21 May 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > > >>>After you've logged in, this should work as well : >>>http://www.europython.org/Talks/index_html >> >>.... and this shows page where I can add new talks. I would like a >>list of talks with an edit link right next to it :-) > > > Been there. You have to be _logged_in_ in order to get the interface you > want. I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in under http://www.europython.org/manage the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but if you log in at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't get to see the talks list under /Talks/; instead the add talk form shows. Nevermind, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 22 13:01:53 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:01:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ? In-Reply-To: <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002, Paul Everitt wrote: > This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out > before leaving for 7 days. Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on > getting it into a number of channels. > > I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got > accomplished. Tim Couper asked me to put his name back in. I'll do that right now. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 22 13:03:05 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:03:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations > and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in > under > > http://www.europython.org/manage > > the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but if you log in > at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't get to see the talks list > under /Talks/; instead the add talk form shows. Ok, I misunderstood you the first time. Then it could be because there is a special User_Folder in /Talks/ but I'm no Zope Guru... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <05a301c20189$cf37e790$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations > and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in > under > > http://www.europython.org/manage > > the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but > if you log in at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't > get to see the talks list under /Talks/; instead the > add talk form shows. _Last_ time I will mention this : Yes, the manager user interface has its flaws, but remember as well that Joachim has set it up in a few days, so.... : If you are logged in as manager: Then you can edit/delete the talks You can't enter the registration page itself. Well, you can enter the registration page as well, but then you shouldn't go to index_html, but to another page... If you are not logged in, thus anonymous: Then you can not edit/delete talks but you can enter the registration page Joachim made some adjustments but hasn't updated them yet. I hope that this is the _last_ time I've to say this again. Think on the fact that you at least _have_ these tools. Regards, Tom From denis@aragne.com Wed May 22 13:18:31 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:18:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful In-Reply-To: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> References: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> Message-ID: <20020522141831.A24619@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 22, 2002 at 02:16:48AM +0200, Itamar Shtull-Trauring pianota: > Is how close the different hotels are to the conference center. I fear none of them are close enough for going on foot (excepted if you like doing some sport in the morning). I already told to some of you that your best bet is to reserve in a hotel next to Charleroi center-town so that you can walk your way back to the hotel in the evening. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Wed May 22 13:23:59 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:23:59 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete In-Reply-To: <05a301c20189$cf37e790$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > Joachim made some adjustments but hasn't updated them yet. > > I hope that this is the _last_ time I've to say this again. > Think on the fact that you at least _have_ these tools. Tom and Joachim, I don't think anyone was trying to whine about the tools. IMHO, everyone here is very happy to have these tools and thankful for them. But at some point, you have to get work done, hence the questions about "How do I get it to work ?". -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 13:24:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:24:30 +0200 Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] Track database still incomplete References: <3CEB8899.6070703@lemburg.com> <05a301c20189$cf37e790$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CEB8DFE.9010400@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: >>I am logged in. It just happens that the two "databases" registrations >>and tracks are very touchy about *where* you log in. If you log in >>under >> >>http://www.europython.org/manage >> >>the /Talks/ page shows the list I was looking for, but >>if you log in at e.g. /Registration/manage then you don't >>get to see the talks list under /Talks/; instead the >>add talk form shows. > > > _Last_ time I will mention this : > > Yes, the manager user interface has its flaws, but remember as well that > Joachim has > set it up in a few days, so.... : > > If you are logged in as manager: > > Then you can edit/delete the talks > You can't enter the registration page itself. > Well, you can enter the registration page as well, but then you shouldn't go > to index_html, but to another page... > > If you are not logged in, thus anonymous: > > Then you can not edit/delete talks > but you can enter the registration page > > Joachim made some adjustments but hasn't updated them yet. > > I hope that this is the _last_ time I've to say this again. Tom, the point is not logged in vs. not logged in. It's about logged in at root level (/) or at a different level, e.g. /Registration/. (I am always talking about the logged in state.) That's what I found strange. > Think on the fact that you at least _have_ these tools. Anyway, thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 13:26:32 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:26:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Progress report on sending out the press release ? References: <3CEB77F4.3010405@lemburg.com> <3CEB7924.2010802@zope.com> Message-ID: <3CEB8E78.3090400@lemburg.com> Paul Everitt wrote: > > This morning (meaning, now) is the last chance for me to send it out > before leaving for 7 days. Martijn and I are planning to collaborate on > getting it into a number of channels. > > I'll send a report before I leave at 2PM eastern regarding what got > accomplished. Ok, thanks. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From denis@aragne.com Wed May 22 13:28:44 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:28:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] TimeTables In-Reply-To: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <059f01c2011b$05d86e10$058d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020522142843.B24619@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:58:25AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > Visual time tables are updated. Tell me if they are better now. > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule Nice, and they print alright. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From denis@aragne.com Wed May 22 13:45:08 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:45:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] early bird.. In-Reply-To: <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com> References: <20020522094918.GA2853@vet.uu.nl> <3CEB77A9.7020706@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020522144508.C24619@carolo.net> Le Wed, May 22, 2002 at 12:49:13PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > Martijn Faassen wrote: > >perhaps a week's extension to early bird wouldn't be a bad gesture. > > > >What do people think? > > -1 > > I'd rather have people hurry up than to give them even more time > to think about attending or not. > > If we don't get enough registrations per May 31 then we'll > have a serious budget problem. It's better to take action > regarding this early than too late. Agreed. Let's keep it like this up to the end of the month. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From twisted@itamarst.org Wed May 22 14:12:54 2002 From: twisted@itamarst.org (Itamar Shtull-Trauring) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:12:54 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] Some info I'd find useful References: <3CEAE370.80901@zoteca.com> <20020522141831.A24619@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CEB9956.3000704@itamarst.org> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > I already told to some of you that your best bet is to reserve in a > hotel next to Charleroi center-town so that you can walk your way back > to the hotel in the evening. Well, which hotels are those? And having the info on the website was what I meant, actually. From itamar@maximam.com Wed May 22 14:58:26 2002 From: itamar@maximam.com (Itamar Shtull-Trauring) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:58:26 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes Message-ID: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> These are quotes from a conversation: python conference ppl didnt have a miss field I think the message is "single girls not welcome here" which certinly exmpains a lot... I'm gonna write the europython list about that please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will flirt with me! So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." is not good. From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 15:08:25 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:08:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> Message-ID: <20020522140825.GA3728@vet.uu.nl> Itamar Shtull-Trauring wrote: > These are quotes from a conversation: > > python conference ppl didnt have a miss field > I think the message is "single girls not welcome here" > which certinly exmpains a lot... > I'm gonna write the europython list about that > please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will > flirt with me! > > So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." > is not good. +1 Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 15:12:40 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:12:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website? Message-ID: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I looked at the EuroPython site but I'm a bit unfamiliar with it; I am trying to update the press release on the europython.org website. It's all a bit multilingual and I'm not sure how to proceed. Do I make a new folder? How do I get it to be referred to on the homepage? Can somehow help here? Regards, Martijn From paul@zope.com Wed May 22 15:36:41 2002 From: paul@zope.com (Paul Everitt) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 10:36:41 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] UPDATE: Pushing out the press release Message-ID: <3CEBACF9.7000807@zope.com> FYI, Martijn and I have sent the press release to comp.lang.python and comp.lang.python.announce, zope-announce, LWN, LinuxToday, and NewsForge. Thanks go to Stephan Richter for the following: """ Sent to Software & Support Verlag (Nadja Rossmann - chief editor), publishers of the German magazines "Linux Enterprise" (for which I write a lot), "Java Magazine" and "Der Entwickler". """ When the URL gets up on europython.org, we'll make a second push. --Paul From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 15:39:58 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:39:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 Message-ID: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I just whipped up a very simple page with a cleaned up version of the HTML produced by the wiki, here: http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 It's only in English with very basic HTML, but it works. We're going to send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it or something). Regards, Martijn From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 22 15:35:50 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:35:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> Message-ID: <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 16:58:26 +0300 Itamar Shtull-Trauring=20 wrote: > These are quotes from a conversation: > > python conference ppl didnt have a miss field > I think the message is "single girls not welcome here" > which certinly exmpains a lot... > I'm gonna write the europython list about that > please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will > flirt with me! > > So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." > is not good. How do we refer to unmarried man then ? Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ? so -100 Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> Joachim, please, change Mrs. back to Ms. Like I did. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:58 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes > These are quotes from a conversation: > > python conference ppl didnt have a miss field > I think the message is "single girls not welcome here" > which certinly exmpains a lot... > I'm gonna write the europython list about that > please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will flirt > with me! > > So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." is > not good. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> Just make a new folder. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 4:12 PM Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website? > Hi there, > > I looked at the EuroPython site but I'm a bit unfamiliar with it; I > am trying to update the press release on the europython.org website. > It's all a bit multilingual and I'm not sure how to proceed. Do I make > a new folder? How do I get it to be referred to on the homepage? Can > somehow help here? > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> > How do we refer to unmarried man then ? Unmarried man are also referred with Mr. > Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ? It has nothing to do with mariage. Ms is a common used for Mrs and Miss w= hen you're not certain if the woman is single or married. Tom. > so -100 > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> I've moved it to the old press-release folder. The old press-release is still there, but not available on the site. Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it. Shouldn't be a problem, since it is now a simple HTML file. If you prefer an STX file, like before, let me know. (I liked it better) The Press-Release can be accessed under: http://www.europython.org/press_releases Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 > Hi there, > > I just whipped up a very simple page with a cleaned up version of > the HTML produced by the wiki, here: > > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 > > It's only in English with very basic HTML, but it works. We're going to > send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of > the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it > or something). > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 15:58:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:58:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com> Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem", nothing will happen. Let's please stop discussing these minor issues and get on with more important things like e.g. getting the word out. Tom Deprez wrote: >>How do we refer to unmarried man then ? >=20 >=20 > Unmarried man are also referred with Mr. >=20 >=20 >>Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ? >=20 >=20 > It has nothing to do with mariage. Ms is a common used for Mrs and Miss= when > you're not > certain if the woman is single or married. >=20 > Tom. >=20 >=20 >=20 >>so -100 >> >> >>Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen >>H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven >>Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 >>-------------------------------------------------------------------- >>Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 >>Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>EuroPython mailing list >>EuroPython@python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>_______________________________________________ >>Tom mailing list >>Tom@carolo.net >>http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 15:59:55 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:59:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CEBB26B.2040700@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > Hi there, > > I just whipped up a very simple page with a cleaned up version of > the HTML produced by the wiki, here: > > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 > > It's only in English with very basic HTML, but it works. We're going to > send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of > the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it > or something). Looks fine. One catch: some of the URLs have a trailing "." in them. You'd better convert these to "/" to avoid problems. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 16:00:40 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:00:40 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <20020522150040.GA3983@vet.uu.nl> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > >So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." > >is not good. > > How do we refer to unmarried man then ? 'Mr'. See the earlier thread we had on this already, where this was pointed out me, among other people. > Another problem, what if a Ms. converts into a Mrs. after registering ? > so -100 I do not think you understand. Like 'mr' is a title for a man, whether they're married or not, 'ms' is a title for a woman, whether they're married or not. If you insist on titles anyway, at *least* supply Mr. and Ms Possibly you don't want to argue on this if you don't understand the usages of these terms in English. That's okay, we're non-native speakers but we had this discussion before.. We won't have enough women showing up as it is, and we want to require they state their marital status? :) (which is what 'miss' and 'mrs' as only selections implies). I would be fine by ripping the whole selection out. If you care to know about the gender at all, put in a gender selection. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 16:07:49 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:07:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] updated press release on website? In-Reply-To: <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020522141240.GA3754@vet.uu.nl> <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020522150749.GB3983@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Just make a new folder. I already did :). Can you create a link on the homepage to it? I don't know if we want to preserve the previous press releases; their merit currently is that they have translated versions. I don't want to mess with the pretty homepage, so please link it in whatever way you decide is best. :) Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 16:14:08 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:14:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020522151408.GA4111@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem", > nothing will happen. I cannot solve the problem as I don't want to screw up the registration application I do not know anything about. I can try to explain matters to people who can change the registration application, but if they don't understand what's going on and actually change things *back* from the correct way it was before, what is one supposed to say? :) > Let's please stop discussing these minor issues and get on > with more important things like e.g. getting the word out. Sure, Paul and I have been working on that for the last couple of hours. That doesn't mean we should ignore PR issues like this completely either. This is presumably the *second* woman who complained already; do we want women to show up at our conference at all if we're going to discourage, say, 50% of those who would show up? :) In my mind this is not completely unimportant. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522150749.GB3983@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <00b901c201a3$b04d53f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> I've remade the press-release into STX (like the old one) This is easier for people to translate. Now it is the same as the previous one. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] updated press release on website? > Tom Deprez wrote: > > Just make a new folder. > > I already did :). Can you create a link on the homepage to it? > I don't know if we want to preserve the previous press releases; their > merit currently is that they have translated versions. > I don't want to mess with the pretty homepage, so please link it in whatever > way you decide is best. :) > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 16:25:46 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:25:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > I've moved it to the old press-release folder. The old press-release is > still there, but not available on the site. This link: > > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 is now broken. I did say the following: > > We're going to > > send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of > > the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it > > or something). trying to indicate please do not break this link. I will put it back... it seems to be gone so I'll have to reconstruct it from the HTML I have here. Okay, it's back: http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 gets you results again. It wasn't a big deal as we hadn't distributed it a lot yet. What is the URL we should be using for the rest of the world? This one? http://www.europython.org/press_releases Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 16:27:30 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:27:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <3CEBB26B.2040700@lemburg.com> References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <3CEBB26B.2040700@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020522152730.GC4111@vet.uu.nl> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > Looks fine. > > One catch: some of the URLs have a trailing "." in them. > You'd better convert these to "/" to avoid problems. Looks like an issue with the conversion out of the wiki. I corrected them. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <004501c2019f$b61ae940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522150749.GB3983@vet.uu.nl> <00b901c201a3$b04d53f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <00e401c201a5$c2b6d9b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Ok, now it's final. I've made myself a localised page of it. So people who want to translate can do now through localiser and not STX. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Deprez" To: "Martijn Faassen" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] updated press release on website? > I've remade the press-release into STX (like the old one) > This is easier for people to translate. > Now it is the same as the previous one. > > Regards, > Tom. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Martijn Faassen" > To: "Tom Deprez" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:07 PM > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] updated press release on website? > > > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Just make a new folder. > > > > I already did :). Can you create a link on the homepage to it? > > I don't know if we want to preserve the previous press releases; their > > merit currently is that they have translated versions. > > I don't want to mess with the pretty homepage, so please link it in > whatever > > way you decide is best. :) > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <010201c201a5$e9c293f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > What is the URL we should be using for the rest of the world? This one? > > http://www.europython.org/press_releases Yup.... See web-page as well. Tom From Tom Deprez" <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Yuck what a stupid link.... sorry for deleting it, I only thought that I was still quick enough to change it to the usual place. please use the one we used before : http://www.europython.org/press_releases which was created for this in the first place. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martijn Faassen" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 > Tom Deprez wrote: > > I've moved it to the old press-release folder. The old press-release is > > still there, but not available on the site. > > This link: > > > > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 > > is now broken. I did say the following: > > > > We're going to > > > send out this URL to the world, so for the internationalized version of > > > the press release be careful not to break this link (by changing it > > > or something). > > trying to indicate please do not break this link. > I will put it back... it seems to be gone so I'll have to reconstruct it > from the HTML I have here. > > Okay, it's back: > > http://www.europython.org/pressrelease020517 > > gets you results again. It wasn't a big deal as we hadn't distributed it a > lot yet. > > What is the URL we should be using for the rest of the world? This one? > > http://www.europython.org/press_releases > > Regards, > > Martijn > > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 22 16:39:44 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:39:44 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] blobs of text issue In-Reply-To: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl> References: <20020521154941.GA477@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <18040000.1022081983@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, I just checked this and it seams that Tom already changed the display so it = honors html-tags now. --On Dienstag, Mai 21, 2002 17:49:41 +0200 Martijn Faassen=20 wrote: > Hi there, > > Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not > display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I have > various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty > line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but > that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either. > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <18040000.1022081983@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <013501c201a7$bd9e9c90$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi, > > I just checked this and it seams that Tom already changed the display s= o it > honors html-tags now. mmm, I didn't do anything special on that page lately... Tom. > --On Dienstag, Mai 21, 2002 17:49:41 +0200 Martijn Faassen > wrote: > > > Hi there, > > > > Could we adapt the public view interface for the talks so it does not > > display paragraphs together as one huge blob of text? Right now I hav= e > > various abstracts and bios which separate paragraphs with an empty > > line, but they don't show up in the output. I tried using HTML, but > > that showed up quoted, so that didn't work either. > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 22 16:49:11 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:49:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]> sorry I mixed them up. I thought Mrs is Ms, I was confused ;-( It is changed now. to Mr. and Ms. --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 16:46:51 +0200 Tom Deprez =20 wrote: > Joachim, please, change Mrs. back to Ms. Like I did. > > Regards, > Tom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:58 PM > Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes > > >> These are quotes from a conversation: >> >> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field >> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here" >> which certinly exmpains a lot... >> I'm gonna write the europython list about that >> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody will > flirt >> with me! >> >> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only = "Mrs." > is >> not good. >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 16:54:23 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 17:54:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com> <20020522151408.GA4111@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <3CEBBF2F.6040302@lemburg.com> Martijn Faassen wrote: > M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > >>Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem", >>nothing will happen. > > > I cannot solve the problem as I don't want to screw up the registration > application I do not know anything about. > > I can try to explain matters to people who can change the > registration application, but if they don't understand what's going on and > actually change things *back* from the correct way it was before, what is > one supposed to say? :) FYI, I've changed the Forms to display "Mr." vs. "Mrs./Ms.". That shouldn't affect any database related sutff -- just the display of the data. If that's not correct, feel free to fix it. >>Let's please stop discussing these minor issues and get on >>with more important things like e.g. getting the word out. > > > Sure, Paul and I have been working on that for the last couple of hours. Great ! -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 17:02:10 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:02:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <20020522160210.GA4447@vet.uu.nl> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > sorry I mixed them up. I thought Mrs is Ms, I was confused ;-( > It is changed now. to Mr. and Ms. Thanks! I hope Marc-Andre's change a few minutes before yours didn't confuse things there.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 17:13:02 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:13:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020522161302.GB4447@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Yuck what a stupid link.... I had to make something to push the URL out. > sorry for deleting it, I only thought that I was still quick enough to > change it to the usual place. Not quite, though I think the only place it escaped is zope.org, so I can adjust it there. > please use the one we used before : http://www.europython.org/press_releases > which was created for this in the first place. I'll adjust the link on zope.org to that. Thanks, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <002301c2019f$8239a940$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20420000.1022082550@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <018701c201ac$7edc88a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Thanks Joachim! Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Schmitz" To: "Tom Deprez" ; "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" ; Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefix= es > sorry I mixed them up. I thought Mrs is Ms, I was confused ;-( > It is changed now. to Mr. and Ms. > > > > --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 16:46:51 +0200 Tom Deprez > wrote: > > > Joachim, please, change Mrs. back to Ms. Like I did. > > > > Regards, > > Tom. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Itamar Shtull-Trauring" > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 3:58 PM > > Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefix= es > > > > > >> These are quotes from a conversation: > >> > >> python conference ppl didnt have a miss field > >> I think the message is "single girls not welcome here" > >> which certinly exmpains a lot... > >> I'm gonna write the europython list about that > >> please do! and tell them I won't wear my nametag. Nobody wi= ll > > flirt > >> with me! > >> > >> So, please add "Ms." to the signup form now! Obviously having only "Mrs." > > is > >> not good. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> EuroPython mailing list > >> EuroPython@python.org > >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@carolo.net > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Joachim, I'll remove your test entries in the registration database. Ok? Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Marc-Andr=E9, I believe you send a mail about this. I wouldn't remove the doubles from = the registration database. This in case we need them to check things etc. (in case somebody also pay= ed twice, etc) Regards, Tom. From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 22 17:39:19 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 18:39:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Please update the register form with new prefixes In-Reply-To: <3CEBBF2F.6040302@lemburg.com> References: <3CEBA402.5030106@maximam.com> <13850000.1022078150@[10.2.1.1]> <004f01c201a0$0470c650$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CEBB216.6040008@lemburg.com> <20020522151408.GA4111@vet.uu.nl> <3CEBBF2F.6040302@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <12630000.1022085559@[10.2.1.1]> --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 17:54:23 +0200 "M.-A. Lemburg"=20 wrote: > Martijn Faassen wrote: >> M.-A. Lemburg wrote: >> >>> Unless someone is going to step up and solve the "problem", >>> nothing will happen. >> >> >> I cannot solve the problem as I don't want to screw up the registration >> application I do not know anything about. >> >> I can try to explain matters to people who can change the >> registration application, but if they don't understand what's going on >> and actually change things *back* from the correct way it was before, >> what is one supposed to say? :) > > FYI, I've changed the Forms to display "Mr." vs. "Mrs./Ms.". That > shouldn't affect any database related sutff -- just the display of the > data. If that's not correct, feel free to fix it. I finally changed it back to Mr.and Ms. since it is used all over in things = like: dear "gender" "title" "firstname" I also will update the existing records to contain the correct values. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522152545.GB4111@vet.uu.nl> <011901c201a6$b7d6ecf0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522161302.GB4447@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <010701c201cb$eeb58ea0$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Tom Deprez wrote: > > Yuck what a stupid link.... > > I had to make something to push the URL out. Yes, this is something problemtic during the day, I might not always be behind the computer. Thanks for taking initiative. > > sorry for deleting it, I only thought that I was still quick enough to > > change it to the usual place. > > Not quite, though I think the only place it escaped is zope.org, so I > can adjust it there. ok. > > please use the one we used before : http://www.europython.org/press_releases > > which was created for this in the first place. > > I'll adjust the link on zope.org to that. I fixed it already. Regards, Tom From js@aixtraware.de Wed May 22 21:13:39 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:13:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] tests In-Reply-To: <019b01c201ac$cf942370$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <019b01c201ac$cf942370$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <15210000.1022098419@[10.2.1.1]> Yes go ahead, you know how to do it ? --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 18:22:04 +0200 Tom Deprez =20 wrote: > Joachim, > > I'll remove your test entries in the registration database. Ok? > > Regards, > Tom. > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 22 21:20:12 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:20:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: Zope & Python webring Message-ID: Hi Christopher, I found your e-Mail as contact address on the python-and-zope webring http://www.pythonandzope.com/. Can you spread the word about EuroPython throu the mailing list of the webring, if you have such? The press release can be found under: http://www.europython.org/press_releases Regards, Andrew From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 22 21:24:14 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:24:14 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis) Message-ID: Hi, I just sent the link to the press release with a short german description to the following magazines: - C'T - iX - Telepolis I try to translate get the press release translated into german, but it may take a day or two. I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for attachment / insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but to send just the link. Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks aren't copied. Regards, Andrew From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 21:31:49 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:31:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis) References: Message-ID: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com> Andrew Smart wrote: > Hi, > > I just sent the link to the press release with a short german description to > the following magazines: > - C'T > - iX > - Telepolis > > I try to translate get the press release translated into german, but it may > take a day or two. > > I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for attachment / > insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but to send just > the link. > > Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks > aren't copied. Here you go: """ Subject: ANN: EuroPython 2002, June 26-28, Belgium For immediate release. European Python and Zope Conference 2002 Inaugural event for growing developer community in Europe Open source leaders to give keynotes June 26-28, 2002 Charleroi, Belgium http://www.europython.org CHARLEROI, MAY 22 - The EuroPython and Zope Conference 2002 announces the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe, held June 26-28 in Charleroi, Belgium. With keynote speeches that include an original leader of open source, the creator of Python, and the architect of Zope, as well as major developer activities, the conference promises to be a breakthrough event for open software in Europe. Hundreds of new and experienced developers attending the conference will see a full program, including: o Keynote by Guido van Rossum, creator of Python o Keynote by Eric Raymond, an originator of the open source movement and active Python developer o Tutorials and development sessions by Jim Fulton, architect of Zope and Chief Technology Officer at Zope Corporation o State of the Zope talk by Paul Everitt, co-founder of Zope Corporation The conference program has over 30 presentations and tutorials in 7 tracks, including Python Language, Zope, Python In Science and Industry, Python In Business, Python Applications, and Web Services. Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language. The program contains tutorials, presentations, lightning talks, and "birds of a feather" gatherings. Additional events include a "sprint" for building Zope 3, the next major version of Zope, as well as the first general member's meeting of the EuroZope Foundation and a meeting of the Python Business Forum. EuroPython 2002 will be held in Charleroi, Belgium, a city close to Brussels. Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged. Student discounts are available. The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, which each attracted thousands of attendees. Like these conferences, EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source developers. **About Python** Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT challenges. More information, including the Python source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org. **About Jython** Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java. More information, including the Jython source code and executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at http://www.jython.org. **About Zope** Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of which is written in Python. More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.zope.org. Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source fashion by an international community of programmers and companies. Contacts EuroPython Conference Team P3B c/o Aragne Boulevard General Michel 1E B-6000 Charleroi. Conference Organization: mailto:europython@p3b.org International Contacts * Belgium * Denis Frere, mailto:denis@aragne.com, tel: +32(0)479.651.442 * Tom Deprez, mailto:tom@aragne.com, tel: +32(0)2.479.63.88 * France * Nicolas Chauvat, mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr, tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12 * Germany * Marc-Andre Lemburg, mailto:mal@egenix.com, tel: +49(0)211.9304112 * Netherlands * Martijn Faassen, mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl, tel: +31(0)10.243.7051 * United Kingdom * Andy Robinson, mailto:andy@reportlab.com, tel: +44(0)7976.355742 * Tim Couper, mailto:tim@2wave.net, tel: +44 (0)1582 463120 """ If you need this as PDF, let me know. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From mal@lemburg.com Wed May 22 21:37:18 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:37:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis) References: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CEC017E.3090800@lemburg.com> > Andrew Smart wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I just sent the link to the press release with a short german >> description to >> the following magazines: >> - C'T >> - iX >> - Telepolis BTW, be sure to update the wiki page accordingly, so that the press release doesn't get sent too often to the same resources. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" <15210000.1022098419@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <01b801c201d1$a358e5a0$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> >Yes go ahead, >you know how to do it ? yup, no problem Tom. --On Mittwoch, Mai 22, 2002 18:22:04 +0200 Tom Deprez wrote: > Joachim, > > I'll remove your test entries in the registration database. Ok? > > Regards, > Tom. > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython Mit freundlichen Grüßen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurbüro für Internetanwendungen Hüsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython _______________________________________________ Tom mailing list Tom@aragne.com http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <01b901c201d1$a6b83d40$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> > I try to translate get the press release translated into german, but it may > take a day or two. Would be nice. Do you need an explenation of the localizer product? Or do you just send it up so that we include it? > I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for attachment / > insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but to send just > the link. > > Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks > aren't copied. Looks like Marc-Andre send you already one. There is an STX version available on the website as well. Thanks for all your efforts! Regards, Tom. From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 22 22:11:38 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:11:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] AW: Press Release: Zope & Python webring In-Reply-To: <1020522135911.209AAC/i.lozinski@maya> Message-ID: Hi Chris, thanks for the info. I think you mean that the Europython Conference website should join the web ring, right? I personally can not do it (no access to the zope server). Tom, Marc-Andre: can you help out? After I finished the website for my own company I'll contact you again, since I'm personally also a canidate for the webring... Regards, Andrew Smart > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: lozinski@jobmart.com [mailto:lozinski@jobmart.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2002 22:59 > An: Andrew Smart > Betreff: Re: Press Release: Zope & Python webring > > > Thank you for writing to me today. > > I was just about to send an email to the europython conference on > this matter. > > I invite you to join the python and zope banner exchange at > www.pythonandzope.com/BannerInfo > > In fact I have already added your banner to the banner exchange. > It is a one > for one banner exchange. Every time that you display a banner, > someone displays > your banner. > > Can I send you the html fragment to add to your web page? > Who created the banner. It looks wonderful. But it needs to be a > little larger > to be the standard size. > > Regards > Chris > > 1-510-795-6086 > lozinski@openstepnews.com > lozinski@jobmart.com > From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 22 22:17:10 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:17:10 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis) In-Reply-To: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com> Message-ID: Can I have one in HTML format? Some online magazines allow posting in HTML... Sorry for bothering you, but currently I focus on get the material out out out Andrew > -----Ursprungliche Nachricht----- > Von: M.-A. Lemburg [mailto:mal@lemburg.com] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 22. Mai 2002 22:32 > An: Andrew Smart > Cc: Europython > Betreff: Re: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise > Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis) > > > Andrew Smart wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just sent the link to the press release with a short german > description to > > the following magazines: > > - C'T > > - iX > > - Telepolis > > > > I try to translate get the press release translated into > german, but it may > > take a day or two. > > > > I need a pure-text or a pdf-version of the press release for > attachment / > > insertion into mail. I think its better to sent it directly but > to send just > > the link. > > > > Copying from the website doesn't work, the keynote speaker-text blocks > > aren't copied. > > Here you go: > """ > Subject: ANN: EuroPython 2002, June 26-28, Belgium > > For immediate release. > > > European Python and Zope Conference 2002 > Inaugural event for growing developer community in Europe > Open source leaders to give keynotes > > June 26-28, 2002 > Charleroi, Belgium > > http://www.europython.org > > CHARLEROI, MAY 22 - The EuroPython and Zope Conference 2002 announces > the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe, held June 26-28 > in Charleroi, Belgium. With keynote speeches that include an original > leader of open source, the creator of Python, and the architect of > Zope, as well as major developer activities, the conference promises > to be a breakthrough event for open software in Europe. > > Hundreds of new and experienced developers attending the conference > will see a full program, including: > > o Keynote by Guido van Rossum, creator of Python > > o Keynote by Eric Raymond, an originator of the open source movement > and active Python developer > > o Tutorials and development sessions by Jim Fulton, architect of Zope > and Chief Technology Officer at Zope Corporation > > o State of the Zope talk by Paul Everitt, co-founder of Zope > Corporation > > The conference program has over 30 presentations and tutorials in 7 > tracks, including Python Language, Zope, Python In Science and > Industry, Python In Business, Python Applications, and Web Services. > Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the 100% pure > Java implementation of the Python language. The program contains > tutorials, presentations, lightning talks, and "birds of a feather" > gatherings. Additional events include a "sprint" for building Zope 3, > the next major version of Zope, as well as the first general member's > meeting of the EuroZope Foundation and a meeting of the Python > Business Forum. > > EuroPython 2002 will be held in Charleroi, Belgium, a city close to > Brussels. Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the > EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged. Student > discounts are available. > > The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open > source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, > which each attracted thousands of attendees. Like these conferences, > EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source > developers. > > **About Python** > > Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language > that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity > in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application > design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT > challenges. > > More information, including the Python source code and binaries for > Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org. > > **About Jython** > > Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written > in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive > scriptability of Python to the world of Java. > > More information, including the Jython source code and executables for > all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at > http://www.jython.org. > > **About Zope** > > Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in > content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope > Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has > become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and > application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of > which is written in Python. > > More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for > Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.zope.org. > > Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source > fashion by an international community of programmers and companies. > > Contacts > > EuroPython Conference Team > P3B c/o Aragne > Boulevard General Michel 1E > B-6000 Charleroi. > > Conference Organization: mailto:europython@p3b.org > > International Contacts > > * Belgium > > * Denis Frere, mailto:denis@aragne.com, > tel: +32(0)479.651.442 > > * Tom Deprez, mailto:tom@aragne.com, > tel: +32(0)2.479.63.88 > > * France > > * Nicolas Chauvat, mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr, > tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12 > > * Germany > > * Marc-Andre Lemburg, mailto:mal@egenix.com, > tel: +49(0)211.9304112 > > * Netherlands > > * Martijn Faassen, mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl, > tel: +31(0)10.243.7051 > > * United Kingdom > > * Andy Robinson, mailto:andy@reportlab.com, > tel: +44(0)7976.355742 > > * Tim Couper, mailto:tim@2wave.net, > tel: +44 (0)1582 463120 > > """ > > If you need this as PDF, let me know. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > From gotcha@swing.be Wed May 22 22:46:05 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:46:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be> At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and >Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it. Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release... I have not translated the "about" part, hoping that someone can find an=20 french version of the previous PR. If someone has it, please transmit it to me... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -------------------------

CHARLEROI, 17 MAI 2002 - L'=E9quipe de la Conf=E9rence EuroPython annonce= =20 que la premi=E8re conf=E9rence majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se= tiendra=20 =E0 Charleroi, Belgique, du 26 au 28 juin 2002.

Annonce: Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne 2002 sur Python et= Zope
Premier =E9v=E9nement pour une communaut=E9 en croissance en= Europe
Des leaders du mouvement Open Source y donnent des expos=E9s.

Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne 2002 sur Python et Zope
(EuroPython 2002)

26 au 28 juin 2002
Charleroi, Belgique

http://www.europython.org

L'=E9quipe de la Conf=E9rence EuroPython annonce que la premi=E8re= conf=E9rence=20 majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se tiendra =E0 Charleroi, Belgique, du= =20 26 au 28 juin 2002. Avec des orateurs incluant un des leaders originels du= =20 mouvement open source, le cr=E9ateur de Python, et l'architecte de Zope, de m=EAme que des activit=E9s majeures pour d=E9veloppeurs, la= conf=E9rence=20 promet d'=EAtre un =E9v=E9nement marquant pour le logiciel libre en= Europe.

Les centaines de programmeurs jeunes ou exp=E9riment=E9s qui assisteront= =E0 la conf=E9rence auront droit =E0 un programme complet incluant:

  • Expos=E9 par Guido van Rossum, cr=E9ateur de Python

  • Expos=E9 par Eric Raymond, initiateur du mouvement Open Source et programmeur Python actif

  • Initiations et sessions de d=E9veloppement par Jim Fulton, architecte de Zope et Chief Technology Officer =E0 Zope Corporation

  • Expos=E9 sur l'=E9tat de Zope par Paul Everitt, co-fondateur de Zope Corporation

Le programme de la conf=E9rence contient plus de 30 pr=E9sentations et=20 initiations class=E9es en 7 s=E9ries, incluant "Langage Python", "Zope",=20 "Python dans les Sciences et Industrie", "Python pour les Affaires",=20 "Applications Python", et "Services Web". Sachez que la s=E9rie "Langage=20 Python" pr=E9sente Jython, l'impl=E9mentation 100% Java du langage Python.= Le=20 programme se compose d'initiations, de pr=E9sentations, de mini-expos=E9s et= de=20 r=E9unions de discussion ("birds of a feather" sessions). Des =E9v=E9nements= =20 additionnels auront lieu, dont un "sprint" pour le d=E9veloppement de Zope 3= =20 (la prochaine version majeure de Zope), une r=E9union du Python Business=20 Forum et la premi=E8re r=E9union g=E9n=E9ralede la fondation EuroZope.

EuroPython 2002 aura lieu =E0 Charleroi, Belgique, une ville proche de=20 Bruxelles. Les places sont compt=E9es, une inscription rapide au site web=20 d'EuroPython (http://www.europython.org) est=20 recommande=E9. Des tarifs =E9tudiants sont disponibles.

La conf=E9rence EuroPython 2002 prolonge cette ann=E9e la s=E9rie= d'=E9v=E9nements=20 Open Source en Europe, apr=E8s les FOSDEM et LinuxTag, qui ont d=E9j=E0= attir=E9s=20 des milliers de participants. Comme ces conf=E9rences, EuroPython 2002 est= =20 organis=E9e par un groupe b=E9n=E9vole de d=E9veloppeurs Open Source.

About Python

Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT challenges.

More information, including the Python source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org.

About Jython

Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java.

More information, including the Jython source code and executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at http://www.jython.org.

About Zope

Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of which is written in Python.

More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.zope.org.

Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source fashion by an international community of programmers and companies.

Contacts

Organisation de la Conf=E9rence

  • Equipe de la Conf=E9rence EuroPython
    P3B c/o Aragne
    Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E
    B-6000 Charleroi.

    mailto:europython@p3b.org

Contacts Internationaux

  • Belgique

    • Denis Fr=E8re, mailto:denis@aragne.com, t=E9l: +32= (479)=20 651 442

    • Tom Deprez, mailto:tom@aragne.com,= =20 t=E9l: +32 (2) 479 63 88

  • France

    • Nicolas Chauvat, mailto:nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr= ,=20 t=E9l: +33 (1) 45 32 03 12

  • Allemagne

    • Marc-Andr=E9 Lemburg, mailto:mal@egenix.com, t=E9l: +49 (211)= 930=20 41 12

  • Pays-Bas

    • Martijn Faassen, mailto:faassen@vet.uu.nl, t=E9l: +31= (10)=20 243 70 51

  • Royaume Uni

    • Andy Robinson, mailto:andy@reportlab.com, t=E9l: +44= =20 (7976) 355 742

    • Tim Couper, mailto:tim@2wave.net,=20 t=E9l: +44 (1582) 463 120

----------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From gotcha@swing.be Wed May 22 22:58:48 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:58:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be> References: <006301c201a1$01676170$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020522143958.GA3818@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522235750.01d1c168@pop.swing.be> At 23:46 22/05/2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: >At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >>Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and >>Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it. > > >Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release... > >I have not translated the "about" part, hoping that someone can find an >french version of the previous PR. > >If someone has it, please transmit it to me... I just made a Google search, found an old version and updated the website with french version.... -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Wed May 22 22:56:55 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 23:56:55 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release Message-ID: I spread the word a bit... and, yes, I updated the wiki... :-) The most interesting response will be the one from the Japan Python User Group... If we will see members of them in June? :-) Next days I hope to have a German version. BTW, I have no scruples to sent a translated version again to already contacted German press people. One have to shout to be heard... Any objections against this? Regards, Andrew From gotcha@swing.be Wed May 22 23:00:39 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:00:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Communiqu=E9_de_presse?= Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522235932.01d1f190@pop.swing.be> Pour faire savoir aux francophones qu'une version fran=E7aise du nouveau=20 communiqu=E9 de presse est disponible sur le site web. Elle est pr=EAte =E0 =EAtre diffus=E9e... Merci ;-) -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 23:15:56 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:15:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] update Message-ID: <20020522221556.GA5954@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, I've now more or less finalized the planning for the Python Language and Python Applications track, pending a few more possible changes. The speakers are informed about this in email. Shae, Paul and I have been preparing some interview questions; we hope to conduct our first interviews soon. If you can come up with good questions to ask people, please mention them here, or better yet, see the next entry. I've created a wiki at: http://www.europython.org/wiki This wiki is for *attendees* to talk amongst each other (of course that also includes us), not for official conference planning; we continue using the draftwiki for that. If people agree that this is a good idea we should add a link to this wiki from the homepage. You can add interview questions to the wiki, here: http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/InterviewQuestions Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Wed May 22 23:18:52 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 00:18:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release: sent to magazines of Heise Verlag (C'T, iX, Telepolis) In-Reply-To: References: <3CEC0035.302@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020522221852.GB5954@vet.uu.nl> --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Andrew Smart wrote: > > Can I have one in HTML format? Some online magazines allow posting in > HTML... > Sorry for bothering you, but currently I focus on get the material out out > out Sure, here's one, attached. Regards, Martijn --liOOAslEiF7prFVr Content-Type: text/html; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="UpdatedPressRelease.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by dgkm.vet.uu.nl id AAA10441 EuroPython Wiki:UpdatedPressRelease

For immediate release:

CHARLEROI, MAY 17th 2002 - the EuroPython Conference Team announces the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe to be held in Charleroi, Belgium on June 26-28, 2002.

Announcing: European Python and Zope Conference 2002
Inaugural event for growing developer community in Europe
Open source leaders to give keynotes

European Python and Zope Conference 2002
EuroPython 2002)

June 26-28, 2002
Charleroi, Belgium

http://www.europython.org

The EuroPython and Zope Conference 2002 announces the first major Python and Zope Conference in Europe, held June 26-28 in Charleroi, Belgium. With keynote speeches that include an original leader of open source, the creator of Python, and the architect of Zope, as well as major developer activities, the conference promises to be a breakthrough event for open software in Europe.

Hundreds of new and experienced developers attending the conference will see a full program, including:

  • Keynote by Guido van Rossum, creator of Python

  • Keynote by Eric Raymond, an originator of the open source movement and active Python developer

  • Tutorials and development sessions by Jim Fulton, architect of Zope and Chief Technology Officer at Zope Corporation

  • State of the Zope talk by Paul Everitt, co-founder of Zope Corporation

The conference program has over 30 presentations and tutorials in 7 tracks, including Python Language, Zope, Python In Science and Industry, Python In Business, Python Applications, and Web Services. Note that the Python Language track showcases Jython, the 100% pure Java implementation of the Python language. The program contains tutorials, presentations, lightning talks, and "birds of a feather" gatherings. Additional events include a "sprint" for building Zope 3, the next major version of Zope, as well as the first general member's meeting of the EuroZope Foundation and a meeting of the Python Business Forum.

EuroPython 2002 will be held in Charleroi, Belgium, a city close to Brussels. Space is filling quickly, so early registration at the EuroPython website (http://www.euro= python.org) is encouraged. Student discounts are available.

The EuroPython 2002 conference continues this year's series of open source developer events in Europe, including FOSDEM and LinuxTag, which each attracted thousands of attendees. Like these conferences, EuroPython 2002 is organized by a volunteer group of open source developers.

About Python

Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT challenges.

More information, including the Python source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org.

About Jython

Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java.

More information, including the Jython source code and executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at http://www.jython.org.

About Zope

Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of which is written in Python.

More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at = http://www.zope.org.

Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source fashion by an international community of programmers and companies.

Contacts

EuroPython Conference Team
P3B c/o Aragne
Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E
B-6000 Charleroi.

Conference Organization: mailto:= europython@p3b.org

International Contacts:

--liOOAslEiF7prFVr-- From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <020501c201e3$c3c02a30$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> > This wiki is for *attendees* to talk amongst each other (of course that > also includes us), not for official conference planning; we continue > using the draftwiki for that. If people agree that this is > a good idea we should add a link to this wiki from the homepage. Are you sure about using a wiki? Why not Slashdot? Or something like that? Regards, Tom. > You can add interview questions to the wiki, here: > > http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/InterviewQuestions > > Regards, > > Martijn > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <020601c201e3$c7089e70$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Thanks Godefroid! I fixed a small html typo. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Godefroid Chapelle" To: "Tom Deprez" ; ; "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2002 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and >Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it. Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release... I have not translated the "about" part, hoping that someone can find an french version of the previous PR. If someone has it, please transmit it to me... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------

CHARLEROI, 17 MAI 2002 - L'équipe de la Conférence EuroPython annonce que la première conférence majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se tiendra à Charleroi, Belgique, du 26 au 28 juin 2002.

Annonce: Conférence Européenne 2002 sur Python et Zope
Premier événement pour une communauté en croissance en Europe
Des leaders du mouvement Open Source y donnent des exposés.

Conférence Européenne 2002 sur Python et Zope
(EuroPython 2002)

26 au 28 juin 2002
Charleroi, Belgique

http://www.europython.org

L'équipe de la Conférence EuroPython annonce que la première conférence majeure en Europe sur Python et Zope se tiendra à Charleroi, Belgique, du 26 au 28 juin 2002. Avec des orateurs incluant un des leaders originels du mouvement open source, le créateur de Python, et l'architecte de Zope, de même que des activités majeures pour développeurs, la conférence promet d'être un événement marquant pour le logiciel libre en Europe.

Les centaines de programmeurs jeunes ou expérimentés qui assisteront à la conférence auront droit à un programme complet incluant:

  • Exposé par Guido van Rossum, créateur de Python

  • Exposé par Eric Raymond, initiateur du mouvement Open Source et programmeur Python actif

  • Initiations et sessions de développement par Jim Fulton, architecte de Zope et Chief Technology Officer à Zope Corporation

  • Exposé sur l'état de Zope par Paul Everitt, co-fondateur de Zope Corporation

Le programme de la conférence contient plus de 30 présentations et initiations classées en 7 séries, incluant "Langage Python", "Zope", "Python dans les Sciences et Industrie", "Python pour les Affaires", "Applications Python", et "Services Web". Sachez que la série "Langage Python" présente Jython, l'implémentation 100% Java du langage Python. Le programme se compose d'initiations, de présentations, de mini-exposés et de réunions de discussion ("birds of a feather" sessions). Des événements additionnels auront lieu, dont un "sprint" pour le développement de Zope 3 (la prochaine version majeure de Zope), une réunion du Python Business Forum et la première réunion généralede la fondation EuroZope.

EuroPython 2002 aura lieu à Charleroi, Belgique, une ville proche de Bruxelles. Les places sont comptées, une inscription rapide au site web d'EuroPython (http://www.europython.org) est recommandeé. Des tarifs étudiants sont disponibles.

La conférence EuroPython 2002 prolonge cette année la série d'événements Open Source en Europe, après les FOSDEM et LinuxTag, qui ont déjà attirés des milliers de participants. Comme ces conférences, EuroPython 2002 est organisée par un groupe bénévole de développeurs Open Source.

About Python

Python is a leading object-oriented open source programming language that runs on all modern platforms. By integrating ease-of-use, clarity in coding, enterprise application connectivity and rapid application design, Python is an ideal programming platform for todays IT challenges.

More information, including the Python source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.python.org.

About Jython

Jython is an implementation of the Python programming language written in 100% pure Java. It provides the flexibility and interactive scriptability of Python to the world of Java.

More information, including the Jython source code and executables for all major Java Virtual Machines, is available at http://www.jython.org.

About Zope

Zope is a leading open source application server, specializing in content management, portals, and custom applications. Since Zope Corporation introduced Zope as an open source product in 1998, it has become the platform of choice for content publishers, managers and application developers. Zope comes with complete source code, most of which is written in Python.

More information, including the Zope source code and binaries for Linux and Windows, are available at http://www.zope.org.

Python, Jython and Zope are maintained and enhanced in open source fashion by an international community of programmers and companies.

Contacts

Organisation de la Conférence

  • Equipe de la Conférence EuroPython
    P3B c/o Aragne
    Boulevard Général Michel 1E
    B-6000 Charleroi.

    mailto:europython@p3b.org

Contacts Internationaux

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------- -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 _______________________________________________ Tom mailing list Tom@aragne.com http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <021201c201e4$f08c6820$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> I'm not sure if it is appropriate to put a banner exchange on a conference website. But since you already added the EuroPython logo and I don't see a reason why not, I'll add the banner to the site. As long as I'm not shot by others on this list :-) [snip] > > Can I send you the html fragment to add to your web page? Yup, send it to me: tom@aragne.com > > Who created the banner. It looks wonderful. But it needs to be a > > little larger > > to be the standard size. It's Vincent Maton : http://users.skynet.be/vm/vm01.html Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <020501c201e3$c3c02a30$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <021f01c201e5$0a915370$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> > Are you sure about using a wiki? Why not Slashdot? Or something like that? I meant squishdot of course.. > Regards, > Tom. > > > You can add interview questions to the wiki, here: > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/wiki/InterviewQuestions > > > > Regards, > > > > Martijn > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython@python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > _______________________________________________ > > Tom mailing list > > Tom@aragne.com > > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 23 08:42:11 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:42:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Press Release References: Message-ID: <3CEC9D53.1030009@lemburg.com> Andrew Smart wrote: > I spread the word a bit... and, yes, I updated the wiki... :-) > > The most interesting response will be the one from the Japan Python User > Group... If we will see members of them in June? :-) > > Next days I hope to have a German version. BTW, I have no scruples to sent a > translated version again to already contacted German press people. One have > to shout to be heard... Any objections against this? No. Is someone looking at the list of local mailing lists I posted on the wiki page ? I think we should send the release to as many Python mailing lists as possible -- even if the language doesn't fit the list's language (in that case, with a short blurb telling why we are doing so). I already did this with the python-de German Python list. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Thu May 23 08:51:11 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 09:51:11 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release In-Reply-To: <3CEC9D53.1030009@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > > Is someone looking at the list of local mailing lists I > posted on the wiki page ? I think we should send the release > to as many Python mailing lists as possible -- even if the language > doesn't fit the list's language (in that case, with a short > blurb telling why we are doing so). I already did this with > the python-de German Python list. I did it to some (documented in the wiki) and I'll continue to do so... Problem: you have to join or you have to wait that the list admin accepts the "foreign" post. The python japan user group list admin rejected my posting... Andrew From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 23 09:25:17 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 10:25:17 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release References: Message-ID: <3CECA76D.4030501@lemburg.com> Andrew Smart wrote: >>Is someone looking at the list of local mailing lists I >>posted on the wiki page ? I think we should send the release >>to as many Python mailing lists as possible -- even if the language >>doesn't fit the list's language (in that case, with a short >>blurb telling why we are doing so). I already did this with >>the python-de German Python list. > > > I did it to some (documented in the wiki) and I'll continue to do so... Great ! > Problem: you have to join or you have to wait that the list admin accepts > the "foreign" post. True. Perhaps we should setup a special mail account which we could then use to sign up to these groups ?! Hmm, probably too complicated... > The python japan user group list admin rejected my posting... Oh dear. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 23 10:52:06 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:52:06 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 May 2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > At 16:57 22/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > >Since we're now working with the localizer product, I hope Godefroid and > >Juan-David can work on this immediately to localize it. > > > Please find hereunder the french version of the new press release... I'm afraid that's a loss of time. I did this translation on sunday, Denis and I reviewed it twice already, and it was announced several times on this list !!! -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From gotcha@swing.be Thu May 23 11:06:52 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:06:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020522233931.01d1f300@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be> At 11:52 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >I'm afraid that's a loss of time. I did this translation on sunday, Denis >and I reviewed it twice already, and it was announced several times on >this list !!! > >-- >Nicolas Chauvat That's a pity for me... I was out during weekend and surely read list to quickly. Can you please go to the press release page and replace with your version or correct mine ? Thanks. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 23 11:31:18 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:31:18 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: On Thu, 23 May 2002, Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > At 11:52 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > >I'm afraid that's a loss of time. I did this translation on sunday, Denis > >and I reviewed it twice already, and it was announced several times on > >this list !!! > > > >-- > >Nicolas Chauvat > > That's a pity for me... I was out during weekend and surely read list to > quickly. Sorry about that. > Can you please go to the press release page and replace with your version > or correct mine ? I just did it. BTW, I'd like to fix some spelling/translation errors in the french version of the left-side menu, but I can't find my way to the proper edit form. Could you help me out ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From denis@aragne.com Thu May 23 12:47:07 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:47:07 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team Message-ID: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> Tomorrow, I will see the CEME team (again). It will be a good moment to ask for question that would be left without answer (about the venue, I mean). I already have some about : - insurance - sound (ok in the auditorium, what about the multipurpose-room) - multi-purpose room organization (How many chairs, how to dispose them, ...) - material installation (screens, projectors, info-desk, ...) If you think I should add something to the list, please, ask for it now. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 23 13:01:05 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:01:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi Message-ID: <3CECDA01.8050407@lemburg.com> Just in case you are looking for a map of Charleroi, here's a link to one I found on expedia.com: http://msrvmaps.mappoint.net/isapi/MSMap.dll?ID=3kQaz.&C=50.413444,4.432572&L=EUR0407&CV=1&A=5&S=1024,1024&O=5.333333,0.000000&MS=0&P=|50.408444,4.434572|306| CEME is on Rue des Francais, BTW. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 23 13:08:24 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:08:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team In-Reply-To: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> Message-ID: > - material installation (screens, projectors, info-desk, ...) I wrote in the Speakers FAQ that Track Champion would have laptops connected to beamers/projectors. Having three projectors (one per concurrent session) is important. And maybe a fourth one in case something goes wrong ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Tomorrow, I will see the CEME team (again). > > It will be a good moment to ask for question that would be left without > answer (about the venue, I mean). > > I already have some about : > - insurance > - sound (ok in the auditorium, what about the multipurpose-room) > - multi-purpose room organization (How many chairs, how to dispose them, > ...) > - material installation (screens, projectors, info-desk, ...) > > If you think I should add something to the list, please, ask for it now. Yes: we must make the multipurpose rooms into 'auditorium' rooms. How far can we go? 1) How the multipurpose room can be split up in two (vertical or horizontal), so we can use this information in the floorplan. 2) If ramps, 'staircase' platforms exist which allow to set the chairs in such a position that everybody can follow the talk. Otherwise we've a problem..... since only the front people will be able to follow. 3) If there are projector screens available. (I hope big ones....) 4) sound system in multipurpose rooms. Will you hear the talks of the other tracks? Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <023601c20253$a3f44130$1e71a8c0@u10136> > I wrote in the Speakers FAQ that Track Champion would have laptops > connected to beamers/projectors. Having three projectors (one per > concurrent session) is important. And maybe a fourth one in case someth= ing > goes wrong ? Yup, this is taken care of in the budget Tom. > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <023c01c20253$d49dd5d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> People with a Palm OS (or compatible), can also download a map. It's placed on the website some weeks ago: http://europython.zope.nl/location/mappy Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:01 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi > Just in case you are looking for a map of Charleroi, here's > a link to one I found on expedia.com: > > http://msrvmaps.mappoint.net/isapi/MSMap.dll?ID=3kQaz.&C=50.413444,4.432572& L=EUR0407&CV=1&A=5&S=1024,1024&O=5.333333,0.000000&MS=0&P=|50.408444,4.43457 2|306| > > CEME is on Rue des Francais, BTW. > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 23 13:38:08 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:38:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi References: <3CECDA01.8050407@lemburg.com> <023c01c20253$d49dd5d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CECE2B0.10300@lemburg.com> Tom Deprez wrote: > People with a Palm OS (or compatible), can also download a map. > It's placed on the website some weeks ago: > > http://europython.zope.nl/location/mappy Is this map also available as GIF or JPG for use in Plucker or FireViewer ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From denis@aragne.com Thu May 23 13:40:34 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 14:40:34 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team In-Reply-To: <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020523144034.K32348@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 23, 2002 at 02:12:07PM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > Yes: we must make the multipurpose rooms into 'auditorium' rooms. > How far can we go? > > 1) How the multipurpose room can be split up in two (vertical or > horizontal), so we can use this information in the floorplan. There are several possibilities. We'll have to choose. > 2) If ramps, 'staircase' platforms exist which allow to set the chairs > in such a position that everybody can follow the talk. > Otherwise we've a problem..... since only the front people will be > able to follow. That's not a standard option. I personnally think it's not mandatory if the tracks attract a hundred people audience. The screen will have to be high enough, but steps shouldn't be really needed. The session with most attendance can use the auditorium. (Is there a way to know who will attend which track ?) > 3) If there are projector screens available. (I hope big ones....) At first, I didn't think to screens ... OK, good point too. > 4) sound system in multipurpose rooms. Will you hear the talks of the > other tracks? The 'walls' are about 10 cm thick and are supposed to cut sound diffusion. Appart during big applauses, it should be OK. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" <023c01c20253$d49dd5d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CECE2B0.10300@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <028b01c20259$456e8110$1e71a8c0@u10136> I'm afraid I don't know how Plucker or FireViewer work. Have a look at www.mappy.com it is from there we downloaded the files. I believe you can save the images as well, but I don't know if this are t= he files your looking for Go to Town Map and enter : Charleroi Address of CEME is: Rue des Fran=E7ais, 147 Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: "EuroPython Mailing List" Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Map of Charleroi > Tom Deprez wrote: > > People with a Palm OS (or compatible), can also download a map. > > It's placed on the website some weeks ago: > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/location/mappy > > Is this map also available as GIF or JPG for use in > Plucker or FireViewer ? > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From gotcha@swing.be Thu May 23 14:02:27 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:02:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 In-Reply-To: References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523120507.00af2608@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150207.02f03930@pop.swing.be> At 12:31 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >BTW, I'd like to fix some spelling/translation errors in the french >version of the left-side menu, but I can't find my way to the proper edit >form. Could you help me out ? http://europython.zope.nl/gettext/manage_workspace >-- >Nicolas Chauvat -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From gotcha@swing.be Thu May 23 14:15:25 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:15:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Request for help on website localization Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be> Hi all, Juan and I are working on localizing the EuroPython website. Juan is working on infrastructure and Spanish version. I am working on french version. Localization would be a sign that this is a very european conference (even if we won't propose simultaneous translation of the speeches ;-). I think I can say we are looking for help for translation to German and Italian at least. Dutch would be nice to have... even if we all know that Dutch speakers are usually good English-speakers. I hope lots of you will volunteer... -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020523144034.K32348@carolo.net> Message-ID: <02cc01c2025d$3d7f6b50$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > 1) How the multipurpose room can be split up in two (vertical or > > horizontal), so we can use this information in the floorplan. > > There are several possibilities. We'll have to choose. Of course, but have a look already what would be the best option: entrances, amount of people, light, ... > > 2) If ramps, 'staircase' platforms exist which allow to set the chairs > > in such a position that everybody can follow the talk. > > Otherwise we've a problem..... since only the front people will be > > able to follow. > > That's not a standard option. I personnally think it's not mandatory if > the tracks attract a hundred people audience. The screen will have to be > high enough, but steps shouldn't be really needed. > The session with most attendance can use the auditorium. Ok, but it's always welcome :-) > (Is there a way to know who will attend which track ?) Not that I know of, there is made no notion of to which track people would like to see. We should have thought on this before. I know I did long ago, but it slipped out of my mind. Tom. From Tom Deprez" <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150207.02f03930@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <02ad01c2025c$f079b4f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Go to the www.europython.org/home/pressrelease folder. open the index_html file click on the 'body' link now you'll see all the different language bodies. and you can change yours Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Godefroid Chapelle" To: "Nicolas Chauvat" Cc: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] press release on europython.org part 2 > At 12:31 23/05/2002, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > >BTW, I'd like to fix some spelling/translation errors in the french > >version of the left-side menu, but I can't find my way to the proper edit > >form. Could you help me out ? > > http://europython.zope.nl/gettext/manage_workspace > > >-- > >Nicolas Chauvat > > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From jdavid@nuxeo.com Thu May 23 14:27:10 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 15:27:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <3CECEE2E.9020904@nuxeo.com> Godefroid Chapelle wrote: > Hi all, > > Juan and I are working on localizing the EuroPython website. > Juan is working on infrastructure and Spanish version. eehh.. I only do some (few) spanish translations for testing purposes, somebody else should do the localization to spanish, and even revise the translations I've already done. > I am working on french version. > > Localization would be a sign that this is a very european conference > (even if we won't propose simultaneous translation of the speeches ;-). > > I think I can say we are looking for help for translation to German > and Italian at least. > Dutch would be nice to have... even if we all know that Dutch speakers > are usually good English-speakers. > > I hope lots of you will volunteer... > > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > > -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Python programmer (http://www.python.org) From denis@aragne.com Thu May 23 15:21:30 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis Frere) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:21:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Request for help on website localization In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20020523150934.02ece0e8@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <20020523162130.O32348@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 23, 2002 at 03:15:25PM +0200, Godefroid Chapelle pianota: > Hi all, >=20 > Juan and I are working on localizing the EuroPython website. > Juan is working on infrastructure and Spanish version. > I am working on french version. I've just posted the announce on the Python-Fr mailing list. You should ask for some help there too. > I hope lots of you will volunteer... Denis ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Lors d'une grande manifestation contre le manque d'emploi, une masse impressionnante de ch=F4meurs se retrouve sous les fen=EAtres du Minist=E8= re de l'emploi, brandissant leurs calicots et scandant le slogan :=20 "Nous voulons du travail, nous voulons du travail, ..." Le Ministre sort alors et, s'adressant au gars le plus bruyant du=20 premier rang, dit : "Bon, d'accord, j'ai du travail pour toi." A ce moment, le gars s'arr=EAte net de crier et r=E9pond : "Eh, pourquoi moi ? Il y en a des centaines d'autres derri=E8re !" ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Thu May 23 17:11:30 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:11:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Booths anyone ? Message-ID: <3CED14B2.5050203@lemburg.com> After all the discussions we had about how to provide booths, we are rather surprised that not a single booth was sold until today. Why is this ? http://europython.org/exhibitors/ We will need to know about booths by the first week of June. Otherwise it is uncertain whether we can guarantee a booth. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 23 17:42:05 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:42:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] french PR Message-ID: I sent a first round of french press releases to the contact listed at draftwiki/PressReleasePress Is everyone still marking contacts as done when PR are sent ? I did. I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From denis@aragne.com Thu May 23 18:05:57 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:05:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> Le Thu, May 23, 2002 at 06:42:05PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat pianota: > I sent a first round of french press releases to the contact listed at > draftwiki/PressReleasePress > > Is everyone still marking contacts as done when PR are sent ? I did. Bravo Nicolas. :-) > I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies. I would like to suggest to all professional members of the list to send as much invitation as possible to their clients (or potential clients). If you want to assure them that your work with Python/Zope is not a mere programmer's craze, you should tell them there are big conferences around your favorite tools, wether they would come or not. - It can be seen as valuable information for your clients (ask your marketing guy to introduce the invitation). - For you, it's a cheap add to remind your clients you still exist. - For the Python/Zope community, it's rewarding too. So, everyone could be happy. :-) Explicit is better than implicit. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 23 18:45:48 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:45:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] update In-Reply-To: <021f01c201e5$0a915370$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <20020522221556.GA5954@vet.uu.nl> <020501c201e3$c3c02a30$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> <021f01c201e5$0a915370$3d8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <20020523174548.GA8110@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > > Are you sure about using a wiki? Why not Slashdot? Or something like that? > > I meant squishdot of course.. Look at the wiki and see what it's being used for. I don't know how Squishdot is going to help there; we're not talking about news items. People need to add pages saying 'okay, I found so and so information about hotel this and this' or 'this is a good restaurant' or 'hey, want to share a hotel room?' and a wiki allows them to. Also a wiki organizes itself better than a Squishdot instance would. We already have news on the front page.. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Thu May 23 18:49:30 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 19:49:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting with the CEME venue team In-Reply-To: <02cc01c2025d$3d7f6b50$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020523134706.I32348@carolo.net> <021201c20253$0f04d030$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020523144034.K32348@carolo.net> <02cc01c2025d$3d7f6b50$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020523174930.GB8110@vet.uu.nl> Tom Deprez wrote: > Not that I know of, there is made no notion of to which track people would > like to see. > We should have thought on this before. I know I did long ago, but it slipped > out of my mind. I also expect many people will move around a lot, and not sit out any particular track. Perhaps there's a way to start somekind of informal poll, where people can state which track they're going to attend or something. Regards, Martijn From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Thu May 23 19:06:14 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 20:06:14 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> Message-ID: > > I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies. > > I would like to suggest to all professional members of the list to send > as much invitation as possible to their clients (or potential clients). Just sent over 60... that's not as big a list as your list of 4000, but it's precisely targeted on Python&Science :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From thomas@reulbach.com Thu May 23 20:00:37 2002 From: thomas@reulbach.com (Thomas Reulbach) Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:00:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020523205919.00abdb40@pop.puretec.de> I'd like to help with localizing to German if you want me to. Kind Regards Thomas Reulbach From lolita86@libero.it Thu May 23 18:30:04 2002 From: lolita86@libero.it (lolita) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 00.29.29 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Eros e soldi:guadagna con internet 0,08 euro a clic Message-ID: sono lolita=2C voglio presentarti il mio nuovo sito affiliazione gratuita con guadagni immediati=3A erotismo=2C chat=2Cloghi e sonerie etc=2C etc=2C l'unico sito che paga cos=EC tanto 0=2C08 euro a clic =2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Eguarda bene la pg di affiliazione=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2Ee buon divertimento=2E visita il sito=3A http=3A=2F=2Fmembers=2Exoom=2Eit=2Fmarym1976 http=3A=2F=2Fmembers=2Exoom=2Eit=2Fmarym1976 http=3A=2F=2Fmembers=2Exoom=2Eit=2Fmarym1976 From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 24 00:08:22 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 01:08:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] chat monday Message-ID: <20020523230822.GA9338@vet.uu.nl> Hi there, Before I forget: I won't be able to make it to the chat monday, unfortunately. Thanks, Martijn From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <002e01c202f8$cff85aa0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Great Thomas, Do you've knowledge of Localizer? Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Reulbach" To: Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2002 9:00 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Request for help on website localization > I'd like to help with localizing to German if you want me to. > > Kind Regards > > Thomas Reulbach > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 24 10:56:47 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 11:56:47 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) Message-ID: Hi List, I just received this question regarding the proceedings of the conference. I commented it with my opinion and would like yours. > I would like to clarify one point. In my mind, the proceeding paper > was not the same thing that the presentation material. I thought that > the proceedings was something quite formal with full english sentences > (e.g. the PDF I sent you), while the presentation was something > 'slide-like' (bullet-points,...). As I understand your message, there > is no difference between the two. I presume that what you mean is that > the bullet-points presentation is planned to be put as such on the > proceedings CD; so there is no more formal paper needed. Is it what > you have in mind ? Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I cannot ask every speaker to prepare a talk *and* write an article. > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could > choose between > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the > proceedings (the easy way) I agree with this. Opinions ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From sf@fermigier.com Fri May 24 11:07:42 2002 From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:07:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: ; from Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr on Thu, May 23, 2002 at 08:06:14PM +0200 References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> Message-ID: <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 08:06:14PM +0200, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > > I'll start sending invitations to the conference to companies. > >=20 > > I would like to suggest to all professional members of the list to se= nd > > as much invitation as possible to their clients (or potential clients= ). >=20 > Just sent over 60... that's not as big a list as your list of 4000, but > it's precisely targeted on Python&Science :-) I've sent the french PR, with several corrections (see below), to about 4= 00 french-speaking (including a few belgian speaking ones) journalists specializing in open source. And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the confer= ence (I believe they usually do) ? Regards, S. Annonce: Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne Python et Zope 2002=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Premier =E9v=E9nement d=E9di=E9 =E0 une communaut=E9 croissante de d=E9= veloppeurs europ=E9ens. Des figures du logiciel libre / open source ouvriront la conf=E9rence Conf=E9rence Europ=E9enne Python et Zope 2002 (EuroPython 2002) 26-28 Juin 2002, Charleroi, Belgique http://www.europython.org Le comit=E9 d'organisation de la conf=E9rence EuroPython annonce la tenue= de la premi=E8re Conf=E9rence Python et Zope d'envergure europ=E9enne =E0 Charl= eroi en Belgique du 26 au 28 juin 2002. Parmi les conf=E9renciers d'honneur, on compte le cr=E9ateur de Python, l'architecte de Zope et un des leaders du mouvement Open Source. Cette conf=E9rence, =E0 laquelle participeront les principaux d=E9veloppeurs du domaine, promet d'=EAtre un =E9v=E9nement ca= pital en Europe pour Python et le logiciel libre. Plusieurs centaines de d=E9veloppeurs assisteront =E0 cette conf=E9rence,= dont le programme inclut : o un discours d'ouverture de Guido van Rossum, le cr=E9ateur de Pytho= n o un discours d'ouverture d'Eric S. Raymond, un des fondateurs du mouvement Open Source et d=E9veloppeur Python actif o des tutoriels et des sessions de d=E9veloppement anim=E9es par Jim Fulton, architecte de Zope et directeur technique de Zope Corporation o un =E9tat de Zope pr=E9sent=E9 par Paul Everitt, co-fondateur de Zo= pe Corporation Le programme de la conf=E9rence comprend plus de trente pr=E9sentations organis=E9es en sept th=E8mes : le langage Python, Zope, Python pour les sciences et l'industrie, Python pour le commerce et les affaires, les applications Python, les services web. En particulier, le th=E8me sur le langage Python inclut une pr=E9sentation de Jython, une impl=E9mentation = 100% pur Java du langage Python. Le programme inclut aussi des tutoriels, des pr=E9sentations =E9clairs et des r=E9unions "qui se ressemble s'assemble". D'autres =E9v=E9nements auront lieu pendant la conf=E9rence, parmi lesque= ls un "sprint" pour aider =E0 b=E2tir Zope 3, la prochaine version majeure de = Zope, la premi=E8re assembl=E9e g=E9n=E9rale de la fondation EuroZope et une r=E9= union du Python Business Forum. EuroPython 2002 se tiendra =E0 Charleroi, en Belgique, une ville proche d= e Bruxelles. Nous recommandons de r=E9server rapidement sur le site d'EuroPython (http://www.europython.org), car le nombre de place restante= s d=E9cro=EEt rapidement. Des r=E9ductions sont accord=E9es aux =E9tudiants. La conf=E9rence EuroPython 2002 poursuit la liste d=E9j=E0 longue d'=E9v=E9= nements europ=E9ens consacr=E9s au logiciel libre cette ann=E9e, dont le FOSDEM e= t LinuxTag, qui ont attir=E9 plusieurs milliers de participants. A l'instar= de ces deux conf=E9rences, EuroPython est organis=E9 par un groupe de volont= aires. =C0 propos de Python ------------------ Python est un des principaux langages de programmation orient=E9s-objets = open source, et fonctionne sur toutes les plates-formes informatiques modernes. La clart=E9 du code source des programmes =E9crits en Python, combin=E9e = aux facilit=E9s d'utilisation, de connexion aux applications d'entreprise et = de d=E9veloppement rapide qu'offre Python, en fait l'outil id=E9al pour rele= ver les d=E9fis informatiques d'aujourd'hui. Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur http://www.python.org/, o=F9 vou= s trouverez aussi le code source de Python et des ex=E9cutables pour Linux, MacOS et Windows. =C0 propos de Jython ------------------ Jython est une impl=E9mentation du langage Python =E9crite en 100% pur Ja= va. Elle apporte la flexibilit=E9 et l'interactivit=E9 de Python au monde Jav= a. Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur http://www.jython.org/, o=F9 vou= s trouverez aussi le code source de Jython et des ex=E9cutables pour toutes les principales machines virtuelles Java. =C0 propos de Zope ---------------- Zope est un des leaders des serveurs d'applications open source, sp=E9cia= lis=E9 dans la gestion de contenu, les portails et le d=E9veloppement d'applicat= ions sp=E9cifiques. Depuis que Zope Corporation l'a publi=E9 sous forme de lo= giciel libre en 1998, Zope, qui est principalement =E9crit en Python, est devenu l'outil de choix pour de nombreux d=E9cideurs, d=E9veloppeurs et =E9diteu= rs de contenu. Plus d'informations sont disponibles sur http://www.zope.org/, o=F9 vous trouverez aussi le code source de Zope et des ex=E9cutables pour Linux et Windows. Python, Jython et Zope sont maintenus et d=E9velopp=E9s selon le mod=E8le= open source par une communaut=E9 internationale de soci=E9t=E9s et de programm= eurs individuels. Contacts -------- Comit=E9 d'organisation EuroPython P3B c/o Aragne Boulevard G=E9n=E9ral Michel 1E B-6000 Charleroi europython@p3b.org Contacts internationaux ----------------------- Belgique: Denis Fr=E8re, email: denis@aragne.com tel: +32(0)479.651.442 France: Nicolas Chauvat, email: nicolas.chauvat@logilab.fr tel: +33(0)1.45.32.03.12 St=E9fane Fermigier, email: sf@nuxeo.com tel: +33(0)6 63 04 12 77 Allemagne: Marc-Andr=E9 Lemburg, email: mal@lemburg.com tel: +49(0)211.9304112 Pays-Bas: Martijn Faassen, email: faassen@vet.uu.nl tel: +31(0)10.243.7051 Royaume-Uni: Andy Robinson, email: andy@reportlab.com tel: +44-7976-355742 --=20 St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/ "Amazon: we patent the dot in .com" From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 24 11:12:10 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:12:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the conference > (I believe they usually do) ? As long as they show up with a press id card. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri May 24 11:13:36 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:13:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de> Nicolas Chauvat : > Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I cannot ask every speaker to > prepare a talk *and* write an article. > > > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could > > choose between > > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings > > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the > > proceedings (the easy way) > > I agree with this. > > Opinions ? I can't speak for the others, but I had not in mind to prepare a prose paper in addition to a 'bulleted' presentation. At the start there was some talk about a paper submission process, but I be- lieve this was sort of silently abstracted away. Now it's pretty late for writing papers, I guess. I'm also not sure having just a few papers is good. I mean I like reading papers, but given the very informal approach of at least the first EPC event I'd feel very happy with just a collection of all presentations. Preferably in some portable data format, that doesn't require ex- ternal resources like images and looks and prints the same every- where with free software - well, PDF for short... Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe. Regards, Dinu From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 24 11:19:37 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) In-Reply-To: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: > ternal resources like images and looks and prints the same every- > where with free software - well, PDF for short... Sure, PDF is what is asked for in the speaker's FAQ. I'll state it even more clearly. > Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe. I'm not sure I got your conclusion. Are you saying you vote against letting speakers provide a paper with their presentation in case they'd want to ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Fri May 24 11:35:36 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:35:36 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1022236536.3cee17786e92e@webmail.in-berlin.de> Nicolas Chauvat : > > Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe. > > I'm not sure I got your conclusion. Are you saying you vote against > letting speakers provide a paper with their presentation in case > they'd want to ? No, I'm just questioning the benefit of having presentations from all speakers (10-20?) while only very few (maybe 2-4) "real" papers from just some speakers. For me it's about balance not papers as such. If people want to write papers, great. Some might be *required* to do so or their academic employers won't pay for the trip (I'm thinking of Konrad's funny stories...). Dinu From Tom Deprez" <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the conference > (I believe they usually do) ? We can only allow free access for journalists of big magazines, ie who have lot's of subscribers. They've to contact someone of us in front : europython@p3b.org Also, it would be nice that these magazines give a not of europython on their websites. Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from > > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the conference > > (I believe they usually do) ? > > As long as they show up with a press id card. And more important, we need to know of them in front that they are comming! So, they've to contact europython@p3b.org. We've to be really carefull, because with no sponsorship at the moment and the not so big amount of registrants, we aren't able to give everybody free entrance.... Sorry, this is the fact of life. If almost nobody supports it (sponsership, ...), or there are not that much people interested in it (# registrations), then we aren't able to do some things like these Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <017f01c20316$882d01d0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Correct, We don't need a written paper. If people want to do this, no problem, that would be really nice. However, all we ask is a 'bulleted' presentation: 1. To put on CD's. 2. To check/read by the trackmanagers before the congress starts. If all things go well (although some things have still to change then...), we can indeed look forward to EuroPython2003 and improve the organisation of it a lot. Take also in mind that we're only really working since a few months, so not everything can be perfect Regards, Tom. > > > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could > > > choose between > > > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings > > > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the > > > proceedings (the easy way) > > > > I agree with this. > > > > Opinions ? > > I can't speak for the others, but I had not in mind to prepare a > prose paper in addition to a 'bulleted' presentation. At the start > there was some talk about a paper submission process, but I be- > lieve this was sort of silently abstracted away. > > Now it's pretty late for writing papers, I guess. I'm also not sure > having just a few papers is good. I mean I like reading papers, but > given the very informal approach of at least the first EPC event > I'd feel very happy with just a collection of all presentations. > Preferably in some portable data format, that doesn't require ex- > ternal resources like images and looks and prints the same every- > where with free software - well, PDF for short... > > Next time we can have a more formal process then, maybe. > > Regards, > > Dinu > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 24 12:42:02 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:42:02 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: On Fri, 24 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > > > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply from > > > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the > conference > > > (I believe they usually do) ? > > > > As long as they show up with a press id card. > > And more important, we need to know of them in front that they are comming! > So, they've to contact europython@p3b.org. Oops, sorry, I thought we had settled on the former. > We've to be really carefull, because with no sponsorship at the moment > and the not so big amount of registrants, we aren't able to give > everybody free entrance.... Sorry, this is the fact of life. If almost > nobody supports it (sponsership, ...), or there are not that much > people interested in it (# registrations), then we aren't able to do > some things like these So that's the reason... bad news. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 24 14:10:11 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:10:11 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: References: <017901c20316$0a63c630$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020524131011.GA10516@vet.uu.nl> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > > We've to be really carefull, because with no sponsorship at the moment > > and the not so big amount of registrants, we aren't able to give > > everybody free entrance.... Sorry, this is the fact of life. If almost > > nobody supports it (sponsership, ...), or there are not that much > > people interested in it (# registrations), then we aren't able to do > > some things like these > > So that's the reason... bad news. I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the end of the month, then dip, and then pick up again until the conference itself. So I wouldn't get too worried yet. Though sponsorship in money would of course be nice, we've received a lot of sponsorship in time and effort. Regards, Martijn From faassen@vet.uu.nl Fri May 24 14:11:59 2002 From: faassen@vet.uu.nl (Martijn Faassen) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:11:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) In-Reply-To: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de> References: <1022235216.3cee125067a7c@webmail.in-berlin.de> Message-ID: <20020524131159.GB10516@vet.uu.nl> Dinu Gherman wrote: > Nicolas Chauvat : > > > Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I cannot ask every speaker to > > prepare a talk *and* write an article. > > > > > IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could > > > choose between > > > - providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings > > > - providing one presentation file that will be used also for the > > > proceedings (the easy way) > > > > I agree with this. > > > > Opinions ? > > I can't speak for the others, but I had not in mind to prepare a > prose paper in addition to a 'bulleted' presentation. At the start > there was some talk about a paper submission process, but I be- > lieve this was sort of silently abstracted away. Yes, in fact an explicit decision was made not to do this, this year at least. If people *want* to submit a paper then of course that's great and we can offer this for download, but it is not a requirement. Next time we may indeed be more formal. Regards, Martijn From Tom Deprez" <20020524131011.GA10516@vet.uu.nl> Message-ID: <006d01c20325$d1dd74e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > So that's the reason... bad news. > > I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information > that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant > amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the > end of the month, then dip, and then pick up again until the conference > itself. Correct, if we now in the next weeks (with all the help from all of you to publish the press release on different sources) don't get much registrants... then we've a problem. Also strange that the people who mailed that they 'intended' to come didn't register themself yet. But that's perhaps normal. > So I wouldn't get too worried yet. Though sponsorship in money would of > course be nice, we've received a lot of sponsorship in time and effort. Correct, it would have been nice to have some sponsorship in money. We have a few, but no major contributers from the Python, Zope world (or this changed recently without my knowings). And that's a pitty. If this was the case, then we didn't had to worry at the moment, now we have to be really stricked concerning the budget, since we've none in front. Well, let's wait and see. Hopefully we'll get our visitors and next year it will be better. Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00bd01c20327$d4fa5a60$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > > I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information > > > that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant > > > amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the > > I suppose we don't have 100 yet, as it would have been announced on the > website... how many people have registered this far ? I don't think you really don't want to know this :-(. Wait until beginning of next week. We shouldn't give to much of this news out. If lot's people will pick the bad newst up they will all want to wait to register. Tom. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Fri May 24 14:28:52 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:28:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <006d01c20325$d1dd74e0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > > I don't think the news is that bad; we've only sent out the information > > that registration is now open a few days ago, and we get a significant > > amount of registrants per day, and that'll only pick up until the I suppose we don't have 100 yet, as it would have been announced on the website... how many people have registered this far ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From lac@strakt.com Fri May 24 14:48:02 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:48:02 +0200 Subject: AW: [EuroPython] Press Release In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" of "Thu, 23 May 2002 10:25:17 +0200." <3CECA76D.4030501@lemburg.com> References: <3CECA76D.4030501@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <200205241348.g4ODm234014051@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > > Andrew Smart wrote: > > > The python japan user group list admin rejected my posting... > Is that Tamito Kajiyama's list? They like their information in Japanese -- did you translate it? Laura Creighton From thomas@reulbach.com Fri May 24 20:37:08 2002 From: thomas@reulbach.com (Thomas Reulbach) Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 21:37:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.1.20020524212236.00ab7410@pop.puretec.de> I translated index, header, footer and contact page to german as a beginning and will continue if nobody opposes. If you want to change it just give me a hint or change or undo if you don't like something. The Localizer product really made translation a lot easier for me than I was used to before. If you see another priority for the next translating steps just let me know. Kind Regards Thomas Reulbach From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00fd01c203d8$82b7d460$958c84d5@skullsplitter> Great Thomas! thanks a lot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Reulbach" To: Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:37 PM Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps > I translated index, header, footer and contact page to german as a > beginning and will continue if nobody opposes. > If you want to change it just give me a hint or change or undo if you don't > like something. > The Localizer product really made translation a lot easier for me than I > was used to before. > If you see another priority for the next translating steps just let me know. > > Kind Regards > > Thomas Reulbach > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Hi all, There is a new accomodation place available! It's nice and not that expensive, so have a look. We've also placed a map with all the hotels and the congress centre, so you can see the distances between them. Regards, Tom. From jdavid@nuxeo.com Sat May 25 18:04:20 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 19:04:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps References: <5.1.0.14.1.20020524212236.00ab7410@pop.puretec.de> <00fd01c203d8$82b7d460$958c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CEFC414.7050400@nuxeo.com> The "SESSIONS.Tracks" section is internationalized, ready to be localized. Tom Deprez wrote: >Great Thomas! > >thanks a lot >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Thomas Reulbach" >To: >Sent: Friday, May 24, 2002 9:37 PM >Subject: [EuroPython] website localization to german .. first steps > > >>I translated index, header, footer and contact page to german as a >>beginning and will continue if nobody opposes. >>If you want to change it just give me a hint or change or undo if you >> >don't > >>like something. >>The Localizer product really made translation a lot easier for me than I >>was used to before. >>If you see another priority for the next translating steps just let me >> >know. > >>Kind Regards >> >>Thomas Reulbach >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>EuroPython mailing list >>EuroPython@python.org >>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>_______________________________________________ >>Tom mailing list >>Tom@aragne.com >>http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom >> > > > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Python programmer (http://www.python.org) From jdavid@nuxeo.com Sun May 26 11:34:20 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 12:34:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] i18n/l10n status Message-ID: <3CF0BA2C.4080303@nuxeo.com> I've internationalized other two or three pages. The current status is: homepage en/es/fr/de SESSIONS.Tracks en SESSIONS.Talks -- SESSIONS.Timetable -- COMPANIES.Sponsorship en COMPANIES.Exhibitors -- INFORMATION.Fees en INFORMATION.Location en/de INFORMATION.Floorplan en/de INFORMATION.Travel en/fr INFORMATION.Accomodation en INFORMATION.Tips en INFORMATION.Materials -- SPEAKERS CORNER.FAQ en PRESS RELEASES en/fr CONTACT en/de NEWS -- REGISTRATION -- ("--" means that the page is not internationalized yet) -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org) From js@aixtraware.de Sun May 26 16:23:54 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:23:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Linuxtag participation Message-ID: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in=20 Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a=20 computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to promote=20 Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002. I will be there all four days, and I ask anybody, who has a little time to=20 join me there. best regards Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman) ---------------------------------------------------------- EuroZope e.V. H=FCsgenstr. 33a D-52457 Aldenhoven Germany phone: +49-2464-8851 fax : +49-2464-905163 ---------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 key server: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ From sf@fermigier.com Sun May 26 18:32:01 2002 From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 19:32:01 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136>; from tom@aragne.com on Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:24:20PM +0200 References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr> On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 01:24:20PM +0200, Tom Deprez wrote: > > And I got a question from one of them, for which I request a reply fr= om > > the finance department: can the journalists get free access to the > conference > > (I believe they usually do) ? >=20 > We can only allow free access for journalists of big magazines, ie who = have > lot's > of subscribers. They've to contact someone of us in front : > europython@p3b.org > Also, it would be nice that these magazines give a not of europython on > their > websites. The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't think it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers are, do they have decision power in their company, and so on. S. --=20 St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/ "Amazon: we patent the dot in .com" From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <009801c20509$7b705880$958c84d5@skullsplitter> Great work guys! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" To: Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 12:34 PM Subject: [EuroPython] i18n/l10n status I've internationalized other two or three pages. The current status is: homepage en/es/fr/de SESSIONS.Tracks en SESSIONS.Talks -- SESSIONS.Timetable -- COMPANIES.Sponsorship en COMPANIES.Exhibitors -- INFORMATION.Fees en INFORMATION.Location en/de INFORMATION.Floorplan en/de INFORMATION.Travel en/fr INFORMATION.Accomodation en INFORMATION.Tips en INFORMATION.Materials -- SPEAKERS CORNER.FAQ en PRESS RELEASES en/fr CONTACT en/de NEWS -- REGISTRATION -- ("--" means that the page is not internationalized yet) -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org) _______________________________________________ EuroPython mailing list EuroPython@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython _______________________________________________ Tom mailing list Tom@aragne.com http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de Mon May 27 00:15:50 2002 From: Andrew.Smart@smart-knowhow.de (Andrew Smart) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:15:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Next Chat on Zope? Message-ID: Hi folks, I just found out that there is a zope based chat implementation avaiable, called ZRTChat. a) Any experience with this? b) If it's good, maybe we can use this one instead of IRC? Then the folks working out of office and in restricted LANs can join the chats... Regards, Andrew From Tom Deprez" Hi all, We've updated the travel page with timeschedules of the train which you can take from Zaventem Airport to Charleroi. This could be handy for some of you. To the localizers: be warned that I changed the page :-) Regards, Tom. From jdavid@nuxeo.com Mon May 27 00:51:38 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 01:51:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi References: <014f01c2050e$2f039480$958c84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <3CF1750A.3020607@nuxeo.com> Tom Deprez wrote: >Hi all, > >We've updated the travel page with timeschedules of the train which you can >take from Zaventem Airport to Charleroi. >This could be handy for some of you. > >To the localizers: be warned that I changed the page :-) > Thanks!, this is important, there's not automatic mechanism (workflow, etc..) to keep of the changes and notify translators. So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing list to keep track. -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Python programmer (http://www.python.org) From js@aixtraware.de Mon May 27 07:37:15 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:37:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Label printing for the conference. (fwd) Message-ID: <46720000.1022481435@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, yesterday I already send this to europython@p3b.org, ist this the right=20 place for such things, or the general list ? ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Date: Sonntag, Mai 26, 2002 18:00:28 +0200 From: Joachim Schmitz To: EuroPython-2002 Org Team Subject: Label printing for the conference. Hi, since my brother in law is in the printers bussines, I could get hold of a special labelprinter, which we could use to print the badges for the conference. It has the advantage, that it can print a single label, and has a build in cutter, which is much more convenient especially for the onsite registration. We can get this printer for free. If you are interested, I will write the software, to print the labels from the registration = database. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- From tim@2wave.net Mon May 27 08:31:50 2002 From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 08:31:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <20020526160007.23307.40741.Mailman@mail.python.org> Message-ID: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Hi I've just tried to register my student daughter for the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but there's nowhere for me to put details other than the card details; I presume that you are authenticating against the attendee's name? What if people are paying on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? Thanks Tim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 09:23:35 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:23:35 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) References: Message-ID: <3CF1ED07.60601@lemburg.com> >>IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could >>choose between >>- providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings >>- providing one presentation file that will be used also for the >>proceedings (the easy way) > > > I agree with this. > > Opinions ? > +1 Note that we dropped the idea of refereed papers early on in the discussions due to the additional work load this requires. Speakers are, of course, free to submit either their slides and/or a paper for the proceedings. We'll put these files on the web-site and the CD some time after the conference. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From js@aixtraware.de Mon May 27 09:21:22 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:21:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 08:31:50 +0100 Tim Couper=20 wrote: > Hi > > I've just tried to register my student daughter for > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the > card details; I presume that you are authenticating > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying the = registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed and=20 send by email, after successful payment. Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr> Message-ID: <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136> > The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't think > it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers are, > do they have decision power in their company, and so on. Off course size is not the only important thing. I just meant that we can't give everybody a free ticket! We have at the moment around 49 registered people.... that's not good at all... Not even that much people who told they were intending to come... This means that we don't even have enough money to pay the building at the moment! I'm seriously thinking that europe just doesn't want a python/zope conference... well, at least we tried and for the people who will come.... it will be great! Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <011b01c2055b$16108760$1e71a8c0@u10136> Hi Joachim, Yup, it's the right list. But your message could also be place here. Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Schmitz" To: "europython" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Label printing for the conference. (fwd) > Hi, > > yesterday I already send this to europython@p3b.org, ist this the right > place for such things, or the general list ? > > > ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- > Date: Sonntag, Mai 26, 2002 18:00:28 +0200 > From: Joachim Schmitz > To: EuroPython-2002 Org Team > Subject: Label printing for the conference. > > Hi, > > since my brother in law is in the printers bussines, I could get hold o= f a > special labelprinter, which we could use to print the badges for the > conference. It has the advantage, that it can print a single label, and has > a build in cutter, which is much more convenient especially for the ons= ite > registration. We can get this printer for free. If you are interested, = I > will write the software, to print the labels from the registration database. > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > ---------- End Forwarded Message ---------- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <012d01c2055b$3efd84c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Joachim, Can you give information? Thanks, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Couper" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 9:31 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration > Hi > > I've just tried to register my student daughter for > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the > card details; I presume that you are authenticating > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? > > Thanks > > Tim > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" <3CF1ED07.60601@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <014701c2055b$d09feda0$1e71a8c0@u10136> +1 ----- Original Message ----- From: "M.-A. Lemburg" To: "Nicolas Chauvat" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] RE: EuroPython - Speakers information (fwd) > >>IMHO, the two concepts should be separated. Then each speaker could > >>choose between > >>- providing 2 files, one for the presentation, one for the proceedings > >>- providing one presentation file that will be used also for the proceedings (the easy way) From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 09:53:09 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:53:09 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Linuxtag participation References: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <3CF1F3F5.1090101@lemburg.com> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > Hi, > on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in > Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a > computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to > promote Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002. Great idea ! > I will be there all four days, and I ask anybody, who has a little time > to join me there. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From sf@fermigier.com Mon May 27 09:53:54 2002 From: sf@fermigier.com (Stefane Fermigier) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 10:53:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136>; from tom@aragne.com on Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:38:52AM +0200 References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr> <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020527105353.E84757@math.jussieu.fr> On Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:38:52AM +0200, Tom Deprez wrote: > > The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't think > > it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers are, > > do they have decision power in their company, and so on. >=20 > Off course size is not the only important thing. I just meant that we c= an't > give everybody a free ticket! > We have at the moment around 49 registered people.... that's not good a= t > all... > Not even that much people who told they were intending to come... Several people from my company will come. Just how many and exactly who, I can not tell today. (I guess we'll have to make a decision before the end of the week). > This means that we don't even have enough money to pay the building at = the > moment! I read on the press release: "Space is filling quickly, so early registra= tion at the EuroPython website (http://www.europython.org) is encouraged." > I'm seriously thinking that europe just doesn't want a python/zope > conference... > well, at least we tried and for the people who will come.... it will be > great! I'm sure it will. S. --=20 St=E9fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile). http://nuxeo.com/ & http://portalux.com/ & http://aful.org/ "Amazon: we patent the dot in .com" From Tom Deprez" <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> Joachim, But still, a person can't pay for someone else, since they can't give the name of the creditcard holder. Assume I want to pay for you. Then I should be able to put in your name in the registration form (=3DOK= ) And then I should be able to enter my credit card information (with my na= me) So, to be correct, the credit card payment page, should have an extra ent= ry which allows to enter the creditcards holder name. (Even if you don't use it, it makes the form clearer, since most people are used to such payment forms) Regards, Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Schmitz" To: ; Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:21 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration > Hi, > > --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 08:31:50 +0100 Tim Couper > wrote: > > > Hi > > > > I've just tried to register my student daughter for > > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but > > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the > > card details; I presume that you are authenticating > > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying > > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? > > That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying the > registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed a= nd > send by email, after successful payment. > Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database. > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" <3CF1F3F5.1090101@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <016901c2055c$b0812920$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > Hi, > > on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in > > Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a > > computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to > > promote Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002. Marvelous! Print some posters and flyers and take them with you Tom. From denis@aragne.com Mon May 27 10:16:20 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:16:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] french PR In-Reply-To: <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020523190557.D7729@carolo.net> <20020524120742.K18699@math.jussieu.fr> <017101c20315$8c64fba0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020526193201.C88402@math.jussieu.fr> <00be01c20559$eea2cc70$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <20020527111620.C22197@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 10:38:52AM +0200, Tom Deprez pianota: > > The magazine in case doesn't have many subscribers, but I don't > > think it' the only criterion. What's important is who the readers > > are, do they have decision power in their company, and so on. > > Off course size is not the only important thing. I just meant that > we can't give everybody a free ticket! What we mean with this is that we don't want someone to come saying : "I've a whole webpage on Python in my personal webzine, so, I'm a press guy and I want free access" or "Two years ago I wrote a paper about snakes in a nowaday dead magazine, so, I owe free access". If the press contact is really a press contact, then ok. (By the way, why didn't you tell us which magazine we're talking about ?) Anyway, we should try to obtain some return : 1. Ask them to advertise the event (if it's still possible) ; 2. Ask them if they promise a good (and long enough) article afterwards. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 10:20:23 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:20:23 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF1FA57.80607@lemburg.com> Tim Couper wrote: > Hi > > I've just tried to register my student daughter for > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the > card details; I presume that you are authenticating > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? Good point. Joachim, can we add a name entry field to the credit card form which is preset with the name entered on the registration form ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From js@aixtraware.de Mon May 27 10:16:02 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:16:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <64760000.1022490962@[10.2.1.1]> Tom, the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a payment,=20 at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for whoever you=20 want. --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 10:56:34 +0200 Tom Deprez wrote: > Joachim, > > But still, a person can't pay for someone else, since they can't give the > name of the creditcard holder. > > Assume I want to pay for you. > Then I should be able to put in your name in the registration form = (=3DOK) > And then I should be able to enter my credit card information (with my > name) So, to be correct, the credit card payment page, should have an > extra entry which allows to enter the > creditcards holder name. (Even if you don't use it, it makes the form > clearer, since most people are > used to such payment forms) > > Regards, > Tom. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joachim Schmitz" > To: ; > Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 10:21 AM > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration > > >> Hi, >> >> --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 08:31:50 +0100 Tim Couper >> wrote: >> >> > Hi >> > >> > I've just tried to register my student daughter for >> > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but >> > there's nowhere for me to put details other than the >> > card details; I presume that you are authenticating >> > against the attendee's name? What if people are paying >> > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? >> >> That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying > the >> registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed = and >> send by email, after successful payment. >> Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database. >> >> >> >> Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen >> H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven >> Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 >> Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython@python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> _______________________________________________ >> Tom mailing list >> Tom@aragne.com >> http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 27 10:27:22 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:27:22 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> References: <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527111839.01df33a0@pop.swing.be> At 10:21 27/05/2002, you wrote: >That should be no problem, we don't use the carddetails for identifying=20 >the registration, that is done by the registration_id, which is displayed= =20 >and send by email, after successful payment. >Also no creditcard numbers are stored in the database. I am afraid that with the current suite of screens it is not obvious for=20 the subscriber that he should fill the cardholder name in place of its own= =20 when beginning the registration. So we have two solutions : -or add a message in the first screen to state what I tell just above. -or add a field on the credit card screen with the cardholder name. IMHO, the first solution is a bad hack while waiting to apply the second. Actually, I would not feel very secure with a subscription process where I= =20 should put someoneelse's name even if I have his confidence and approval. I feel really bad about bothering you further, Joachim, when you already=20 made such a nice job ;-( If I can be of any help, please let me know. >Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 27 10:31:05 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:31:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Fees on website Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113009.01e083b8@pop.swing.be> I just added to the fees page that food is included. It had not be mentioned elsewhere than in the list. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 27 10:33:37 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:33:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <64760000.1022490962@[10.2.1.1]> References: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be> At 11:16 27/05/2002, you wrote: >Tom, > >the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a payment, >at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for whoever you want. So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so that people are not surprised...? PS Please forget my previous mail about payment. -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 27 10:34:13 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:34:13 +0200 Subject: Fwd: Re: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113409.00abd8f0@pop.swing.be> >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:30:04 +0200 >To: Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar >From: Godefroid Chapelle >Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi > >At 01:51 27/05/2002, you wrote: >>So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out >>of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing >>list to keep track. > >Done -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <024201c20561$af2fb0a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Good idea! Be sure to say it's sandwiches lunch, so that it's not a warm meal people may expect. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Godefroid Chapelle" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: [EuroPython] Fees on website > I just added to the fees page that food is included. It had not be > mentioned elsewhere than in the list. > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]> <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <025001c20561$ccb907c0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > >the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a payment, > >at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for whoever you want. > > So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so that > people are not surprised...? That would be nice Tom. From js@aixtraware.de Mon May 27 10:45:56 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:45:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be> References: <015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]><015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be> Message-ID: <69480000.1022492756@[10.2.1.1]> yes, shall I do it ? --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 11:33:37 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle=20 wrote: > At 11:16 27/05/2002, you wrote: >> Tom, >> >> the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a >> payment, at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay for >> whoever you want. > > So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so that > people are not surprised...? > > > PS Please forget my previous mail about payment. > > > -- > > Godefroid Chapelle > > BubbleNet sprl > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > Belgium > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > TVA 467 093 008 > RC Niv 49849 > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <20020527073150.65099.qmail@web14504.mail.yahoo.com> <53670000.1022487682@[10.2.1.1]><015a01c2055c$66eec790$1e71a8c0@u10136> <5.1.0.14.2.20020527113155.01d9e908@pop.swing.be> <69480000.1022492756@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <029a01c20564$54d9bee0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Yup, Go ahead. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joachim Schmitz" To: "Godefroid Chapelle" ; Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration > yes, > > shall I do it ? > > --On Montag, Mai 27, 2002 11:33:37 +0200 Godefroid Chapelle > wrote: > > > At 11:16 27/05/2002, you wrote: > >> Tom, > >> > >> the name of the creditcard owner is not necessary to authorise a > >> payment, at least not with the "authorizer" we use. So you can pay = for > >> whoever you want. > > > > So can we add a dummy cardholder field in the credit card screen so t= hat > > people are not surprised...? > > > > > > PS Please forget my previous mail about payment. > > > > > > -- > > > > Godefroid Chapelle > > > > BubbleNet sprl > > rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 > > 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve > > Belgium > > > > Tel + 32 (10) 459901 > > Mob + 32 (477) 363942 > > > > TVA 467 093 008 > > RC Niv 49849 > > > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 11:34:00 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:34:00 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Booths anyone ? References: <3CED14B2.5050203@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <3CF20B98.1010602@lemburg.com> Laura, Andy, all the other booth candidates, please register as soon as possible. > After all the discussions we had about how to provide booths, > we are rather surprised that not a single booth was sold until > today. > > Why is this ? > > http://europython.org/exhibitors/ > > We will need to know about booths by the first week of June. > Otherwise it is uncertain whether we can guarantee a booth. Thanks, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From andy@reportlab.com Mon May 27 12:30:17 2002 From: andy@reportlab.com (Andy Robinson) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 12:30:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab and Tutorials Message-ID: This is just a brief note to say that I am "recovering" from a 2 week death march project where I and ReportLab ignored all my emails relating to Europython, open source and so on. I expect to have the tutorial track fully organised later today (o.k., time zone deliberately not specified), and am briefing my staff on what we promised to do with printing timetables and badges. We'll get a functional but 'very ugly' prototype up on the web first, then start on the design itself, hopefully this week. In the meantime, sorry to be out of touch. Best Regards, Andy Robinson CEO and Chief Architect, ReportLab Inc. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <039701c20573$c57ac310$1e71a8c0@u10136> Thanks for letting us know Andy! Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Robinson" To: "Europython@Python. Org" Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 1:30 PM Subject: [EuroPython] ReportLab and Tutorials > This is just a brief note to say that I am "recovering" > from a 2 week death march project where I and ReportLab > ignored all my emails relating to Europython, open source > and so on. > > I expect to have the tutorial track fully organised later > today (o.k., time zone deliberately not specified), and am > briefing my staff on what we promised to do with printing > timetables and badges. We'll get a functional but 'very > ugly' prototype up on the web first, then start on the > design itself, hopefully this week. > > In the meantime, sorry to be out of touch. > > > Best Regards, > > > Andy Robinson > CEO and Chief Architect, ReportLab Inc. > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon May 27 13:11:15 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:11:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi In-Reply-To: <3CF1750A.3020607@nuxeo.com> Message-ID: > So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out > of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing > list to keep track. What about opening a page in the wiki ? lang version en fr es de session.talks 1 1 -- -- session.timetable 2 1 -- 1 ... which tells us that sessions timetable in "fr" and "de" have to be updated. [tipititap] done. it's at http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <040401c20577$f992cdb0$1e71a8c0@u10136> good idea. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar" Cc: "Tom Deprez" ; Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi > > So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out > > of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing > > list to keep track. > > What about opening a page in the wiki ? > > lang version en fr es de > session.talks 1 1 -- -- > session.timetable 2 1 -- 1 > .... > > which tells us that sessions timetable in "fr" and "de" have to be > updated. > > [tipititap] > > done. it's at > http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From jdavid@nuxeo.com Mon May 27 13:10:42 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:10:42 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Timeschedule Zaventem Airport to Charleroi References: Message-ID: <3CF22242.3040406@nuxeo.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >>So now the french translation of the "Travels" section is out >>of date. Please, when somebody fixes it, tell to the mailing >>list to keep track. >> > >What about opening a page in the wiki ? > >lang version en fr es de >session.talks 1 1 -- -- >session.timetable 2 1 -- 1 >... > >which tells us that sessions timetable in "fr" and "de" have to be >updated. > >[tipititap] > >done. it's at >http://www.europython.org/draftwiki/WebsiteInternationalisation > Great!! -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Libre Software zealot (http://www.fsf.org) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon May 27 13:59:01 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:59:01 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ? Message-ID: Is there an IRC chat planned today ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon May 27 14:04:40 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:04:40 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ? Message-ID: Dear All, I have a question for which I'd like your input. I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session. My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very last moment. Do you think: 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3 2. stop accepting LTalks 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with A. real talks B. lightning talks Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a large set a scientific activities :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <045c01c2057f$80c53af0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Yes. I'll try to be at the chat. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 2:59 PM Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ? > Is there an IRC chat planned today ? > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 14:09:06 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:09:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC chat today ? References: Message-ID: <3CF22FF2.1060506@lemburg.com> yes; see the wiki for the agenda Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Is there an IRC chat planned today ? > -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <046601c2057f$a6a0d9a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Let's discuss this at the chat. The Python track perhaps also needed an extra slot. And Zope perhaps as well... Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 3:04 PM Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ? > Dear All, > > I have a question for which I'd like your input. > > I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but > offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning > talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session. > > My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the v= ery > last moment. > > Do you think: > > 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3 > 2. stop accepting LTalks > 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with > A. real talks > B. lightning talks > > Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say > academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for > talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a > large set a scientific activities :-) > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 14:15:20 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:15:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ? References: Message-ID: <3CF23168.5010208@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Dear All, > > I have a question for which I'd like your input. > > I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but > offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning > talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session. > > My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very > last moment. Right -- that's the sole purpose of Lightning Talks. > Do you think: > > 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3 +1 > 2. stop accepting LTalks People should be able to register for them at the conference, so you should safe a few slots for on-site registration. > 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with > A. real talks > B. lightning talks You could use session 1 on day 1 (9:00-10:30) for the track as well, since it is not yet assigned. Sessions 3 and 4 on day 2 are still in discussion with Martijn for the Python track. > Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say > academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for > talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a > large set a scientific activities :-) We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Mon May 27 14:24:04 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 15:24:04 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ? In-Reply-To: <3CF23168.5010208@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > > My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very > > last moment. > > Right -- that's the sole purpose of Lightning Talks. ok. > > Do you think: > > > > 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3 > > +1 But a month before is not the "very last moment" is it ? It's only the "last moment" :-) > > 2. stop accepting LTalks > > People should be able to register for them at the conference, > so you should safe a few slots for on-site registration. ok. > > 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with > > A. real talks > > B. lightning talks > > You could use session 1 on day 1 (9:00-10:30) for the track as well, > since it is not yet assigned. Sessions 3 and 4 on day 2 are > still in discussion with Martijn for the Python track. I'll discuss this with Marc Poinot, but I might want to do that. > > Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say > > academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for > > talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a > > large set a scientific activities :-) > > We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-) :-) I'm sure we'll have even more talks for next year and more time to select the best ones. My opinion is that the more talks we have, the more people we may get {interested in, to come to, to talk about} the conference. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 16:09:17 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:09:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting is now... Message-ID: <3CF24C1D.8000808@lemburg.com> on irc.openprojects.net #europython -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From lac@strakt.com Mon May 27 16:11:18 2002 From: lac@strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:11:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Longer Science and Industry track ? In-Reply-To: Message from Nicolas Chauvat of "Mon, 27 May 2002 15:04:40 +0200." References: Message-ID: <200205271511.g4RFBI34028011@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> > Dear All, > > I have a question for which I'd like your input. > > I already closed the program for the Science and Industry Track, but > offers for talks keep arriving. I started to turn people to lightning > talks, but I'll soon have enough LTalks to fill up another session. > > My problem is that we wanted parts of the LTalks to be decided at the very > last moment. > > Do you think: > > 1. I should keep it this way and have LTalks on day 3 > 2. stop accepting LTalks > 3. ask for a fourth session on day 1 or day 2 and fill it with > A. real talks > B. lightning talks > > Python is a big hit in the scientific domain (i did not say > academic-only), to me that's no surprise that we get many offers for > talks. I expect more people will attend if we get this event to cover a > large set a scientific activities :-) > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat I am for maximizing attendence. Assuming that more people will come to give their own Lightning talk and listen to other science Lightning talks than want to come to attend other scientists' real talks -- use these rules. Will the people who have real talks come if we only let them give lightning talks and they have to pay? If YES then: If you can fill a fourth session with LTalks, do that elif you can fill a fourth session with LTalks and some RTalks, do that else fill with the Real Talks. UNLESS -- you really think that you can get more people to come hear the Real talks than give the Lightning Ones. Then do that. The tricky judgement call is when you think that a hot paper will not get presented unless you give it a full slot. Only you can tell how much of a problem that is. My 2 cents. Laura From Tom Deprez" Hi translators, I added a menu to the practical info Regards, Tom From tim@2wave.net Mon May 27 16:19:28 2002 From: tim@2wave.net (=?iso-8859-1?q?Tim=20Couper?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 16:19:28 +0100 (BST) Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration In-Reply-To: <3CF1FA57.80607@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020527151928.10177.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Joachim, Marc, Tom I think you need to add: If different form the person applying: * Name of card holder (preferably as shown on the card * Address to which the card is registered You might also want to add the optional e-address of card holder, so that you can send an email to them about the payment. Tim --- "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > Tim Couper wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've just tried to register my student daughter > for > > the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but > > there's nowhere for me to put details other than > the > > card details; I presume that you are > authenticating > > against the attendee's name? What if people are > paying > > on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? > > Good point. > > Joachim, can we add a name entry field to the credit > card form which is preset with the name entered > on the registration form ? > > -- > Marc-Andre Lemburg > CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH > ______________________________________________________________________ > Company & Consulting: > http://www.egenix.com/ > Python Software: > http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From gotcha@swing.be Mon May 27 16:50:49 2002 From: gotcha@swing.be (Godefroid Chapelle) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:50:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus In-Reply-To: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20020527175035.01cc5ce8@pop.swing.be> At 17:15 27/05/2002, Tom Deprez wrote: >Hi translators, > >I added a menu to the practical info Translated to french >Regards, >Tom > > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Godefroid Chapelle BubbleNet sprl rue Victor Horta, 18 / 202 1348 Louvain-la-Neuve Belgium Tel + 32 (10) 459901 Mob + 32 (477) 363942 TVA 467 093 008 RC Niv 49849 From jdavid@nuxeo.com Mon May 27 16:48:38 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:48:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com> Thanks Tom, I've added the new item to the wiki. However, I think this is going to be more difficult to internationalize because it's another product, ZWiki, which is not multilingual. I'll think about some workaround. Tom Deprez wrote: >Hi translators, > >I added a menu to the practical info > >Regards, >Tom > > > >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- J. David Ibáñez, Nuxeo.com Python programmer (http://www.python.org) From Tom Deprez" <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com> Message-ID: <059c01c20597$78b566b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Juan, I think you don't need to translate this. People need to talk which each other, etc, so they should use a common language. Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: "Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:48 PM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Update Menus > Thanks Tom, I've added the new item to the wiki. > > However, I think this is going to be more difficult to > internationalize because it's another product, ZWiki, > which is not multilingual. I'll think about some workaround. > > > Tom Deprez wrote: > > >Hi translators, > > > >I added a menu to the practical info > > > >Regards, > >Tom > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >EuroPython mailing list > >EuroPython@python.org > >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > -- > J. David Ib=E1=F1ez, Nuxeo.com > Python programmer (http://www.python.org) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From jdavid@nuxeo.com Mon May 27 16:56:45 2002 From: jdavid@nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Juan_David_Ib=E1=F1ez_Palomar?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 17:56:45 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com> <059c01c20597$78b566b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: <3CF2573D.1090300@nuxeo.com> Uff! thanks :-) Tom Deprez wrote: >Juan, > >I think you don't need to translate this. People need to talk which each >other, etc, so they should use a common language. > >Tom >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Juan David Ibáñez Palomar" >To: "Tom Deprez" >Cc: >Sent: Monday, May 27, 2002 5:48 PM >Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Update Menus > > >>Thanks Tom, I've added the new item to the wiki. >> >>However, I think this is going to be more difficult to >>internationalize because it's another product, ZWiki, >>which is not multilingual. I'll think about some workaround. >> >> >>Tom Deprez wrote: >> >>>Hi translators, >>> >>>I added a menu to the practical info >>> >>>Regards, >>>Tom >>> -- J. David Ib??ez, Nuxeo.com Python programmer (http://www.python.org) From eurozope-admin@comlounge.net Sun May 26 16:23:54 2002 From: eurozope-admin@comlounge.net (eurozope-admin@comlounge.net) Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:23:54 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] [ez] Linuxtag participation Message-ID: <24650000.1022426634@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, on last minute I could get a presence for EuroZope in the LinuxTag in=20 Karlsruhe from 6.6 - 9.6.2002, http://www.linuxtag.de. We only have a=20 computertable there, but I think we should use the opportunity to promote=20 Zope and especially the EuroPython 2002. I will be there all four days, and I ask anybody, who has a little time to=20 join me there. best regards Joachim Schmitz (1. chairman) ---------------------------------------------------------- EuroZope e.V. H=FCsgenstr. 33a D-52457 Aldenhoven Germany phone: +49-2464-8851 fax : +49-2464-905163 ---------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 key server: http://germany.keyserver.net/en/ _____________________________________________________ EuroZope mailing list http://www.eurozope.org EuroZope@comlounge.net https://admin.comlounge.net/mailman/listinfo/eurozope From denis@aragne.com Mon May 27 18:29:26 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 19:29:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Update Menus In-Reply-To: <3CF2573D.1090300@nuxeo.com> References: <054c01c20591$4b73eb00$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF25556.1090404@nuxeo.com> <059c01c20597$78b566b0$1e71a8c0@u10136> <3CF2573D.1090300@nuxeo.com> Message-ID: <20020527192926.E22197@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 05:56:45PM +0200, Juan David Ib=E1=F1ez Palomar p= ianota: >=20 > Uff! thanks :-) :-) But don't forget to translate the first wiki ... (no, I'm kidding). Thank you for your help, Juan David. I guess some people have discovered the magic your product can do. Denis --=20 Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org=20 Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From js@aixtraware.de Mon May 27 19:33:31 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 20:33:31 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people Message-ID: <106220000.1022524411@[10.2.1.1]> Hi, on top of the list of registered participants, there is now a selection=20 menu. It should be evident what is selected ;-) http://www.europython.org/Registration/Admin/ You have to be logged in. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From mal@lemburg.com Mon May 27 20:01:48 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:01:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Extended 4. sessions on day1 and day2 Message-ID: <3CF2829C.9040408@lemburg.com> To all track champions: We have decided to extend the fourth session on day1 and day2 to full sessions. These were previously only 45 minute sessions, now you can use the full 90 minutes giving you extra space for talks. The new schedule looks like this: Coffee: 08:30 - 09:00 Session 1: 09:00 - 10:30 Coffee: 10:30 - 11:00 Session 2: 11:00 - 12:30 Lunch: 12:30 - 13:30 Session 3: 13:30 - 15:00 Coffee: 15:00 - 15:30 Session 4: 15:30 - 17:00 Keynote: 17:15 - 18:00 The web-site will be updated ASAP. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From denis@aragne.com Mon May 27 21:23:17 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:23:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... Message-ID: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 03:15:20PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > [...] > We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-) I'll jump on Marc-Andre's last sentence to start this new thread. We should start speaking about EuroPython 2003. Let's remember we could have asked for European Communities support if we had done it early enough. I was told it could be possible for next year if we send them an application before June 14 2002. It's within 2 weeks and a chunk. So, what will we decide for next year ? We've learned a lot with this first organization, we've a multilingual website, a logo, much contacts, etc. With some time more we would have had much more advertisement and a lower entrance fee. Starting now can change a lot. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From Tom Deprez" New page added for companies http://europython.zope.nl/propaganda For 300 EUR you can distribute flyers / CD's / etc through the visitor bags. Translators: be warned :-) Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Timetable updated to reflect decisions of last chat: http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule Regards, Tom. From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> > We've learned a lot with this first organization, we've a multilingual > website, a logo, much contacts, etc. With some time more we would have > had much more advertisement and a lower entrance fee. Starting now can > change a lot. Correct! Let's start working on this one. Where will it take place? Perhaps it's good to have it once more in Charleroi? We've learned a lot here and could optimize everything, so the general things will be easier for the other years. Tom. From gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de Mon May 27 22:07:10 2002 From: gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman) Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 23:07:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <01ec01c205c0$9f048b10$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: <1022533630.3cf29ffe9643a@webmail.in-berlin.de> Tom Deprez : > Correct! Let's start working on this one. Where will it take place? > Perhaps it's good to have it once more in Charleroi? We've learned a > lot here and could optimize everything, so the general things will > be easier for the other years. Maybe also very important is *when*? Josette from O'Reilly UK told me she was unhappy with the date this year because it would collide with some UK Linux event. Of course, you can't please all, but spen- ding some significant time researching calendars with possibly com- peting events seems like a good idea to me. This makes me wonder, how about compiling a list of 10 (or 100?) most important problems and solutions learned from this year's EPC in order to ease the work of next year's equippe? Regards, Dinu From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 28 08:33:48 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:33:48 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Credit card payment for registration References: <20020527151928.10177.qmail@web14506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3CF332DC.5050606@lemburg.com> Tim Couper wrote: > Joachim, Marc, Tom > I think you need to add: > > If different form the person applying: > > * Name of card holder (preferably as shown on the card Joachim pointed out to us that the name on the card is not required by the payment provider. Still, there now is a field for the card holder name on the form, so you should be set now :-) > * Address to which the card is registered This is not needed. > You might also want to add the optional e-address of > card holder, so that you can send an email to them > about the payment. Not sure about this one. There might be a need for something like a receipt which we could send by email, but since noone has asked for this, I suppose we shouldn't bother. Still, we should probably note that VAT is not charged by P3B, the conference organizer. > Tim > > --- "M.-A. Lemburg" wrote: > Tim > Couper wrote: > >>>Hi >>> >>>I've just tried to register my student daughter >> >>for >> >>>the conference. I am wanting to pay by Visa, but >>>there's nowhere for me to put details other than >> >>the >> >>>card details; I presume that you are >> >>authenticating >> >>>against the attendee's name? What if people are >> >>paying >> >>>on company VISA's, or, like me, paying for her? >> >>Good point. >> >>Joachim, can we add a name entry field to the credit >>card form which is preset with the name entered >>on the registration form ? >> >>-- >>Marc-Andre Lemburg >>CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH >> > > ______________________________________________________________________ > >>Company & Consulting: >>http://www.egenix.com/ >>Python Software: >>http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ >> > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Everything you'll ever need on one web page > from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts > http://uk.my.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 08:43:32 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:43:32 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: <106220000.1022524411@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > Hi, > > on top of the list of registered participants, there is now a selection > menu. It should be evident what is selected ;-) It is, but it does not appear to work... -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 28 08:45:56 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:45:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> Message-ID: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> Denis Fr=E8re wrote: > Le Mon, May 27, 2002 at 03:15:20PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: >=20 >>[...] >>We'll need some talks for next year as well ;-) >=20 >=20 > I'll jump on Marc-Andre's last sentence to start this new thread. >=20 > We should start speaking about EuroPython 2003. >=20 > Let's remember we could have asked for European Communities support > if we had done it early enough. I was told it could be possible for nex= t > year if we send them an application before June 14 2002. It's within 2 > weeks and a chunk. >=20 > So, what will we decide for next year ? >=20 > We've learned a lot with this first organization, we've a multilingual > website, a logo, much contacts, etc. With some time more we would have > had much more advertisement and a lower entrance fee. Starting now can > change a lot. Indeed. I think the most important change to consider is getting a professional conference organizer to take care of the conference maintenance (location, food, hostesses, projectors, badges, etc.). That way we can focus more on the contents of the conference and getting the word out. It also helps in reducing the conflict levels a bit: there's really no point in losing good contacts on the grounds of organizing a conference. About the EU fund: what needs to be done for the application ? Can't we just send one in without adding too many details, like e.g. the where and when ? About the where: if we want to stick to the current level of entrance fees, then we should consider getting a cheaper location for the conference, e.g. use university facilities. The location should also be easily reachable by plane, trane and car. About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with some UK events and there's also the football world... so how about the first week of June ?! --=20 Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 08:56:16 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:56:16 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> Message-ID: > So, what will we decide for next year ? I'm in favor of taking the same people that did most of the work so far, as long as they are willing to, name them "EuroPython Conference Committee" and ask them to organize another event for next year. But this time, let's drop the "completely volunteer" stuff. This thing is *very* time consuming and I see no reason why the organizers would not get paid for their work. As we organized this year's event without getting paid and know what each person did, I'm sure we will now trust each other to do his part if he commits to it, or even more than his part if needs be. There is no need to get paid as much as for a standard contracting work, but at least you know that you get more than fame out of it, which is always important when running a business. Of course volunteers will always be welcome and have things to help out with. If we get a european grant, that would probably not increase the entrance fee. What do you think ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 08:59:15 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 09:59:15 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] page update In-Reply-To: <016301c205bd$e1751620$4b8d84d5@skullsplitter> Message-ID: On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > Timetable updated to reflect decisions of last chat: > > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule Oops, looks like Guido is not welcomed anymore, as ESR will give *two* (should I say all?) keynote speaches :-) -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From js@aixtraware.de Tue May 28 09:02:41 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:02:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <124920000.1022572961@[10.2.1.1]> Some good news, I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more=20 real entries. So we have more than 37 but less than 61. I work to find out why the real ones don't show up. --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 09:43:32 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20 wrote: > On Mon, 27 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> on top of the list of registered participants, there is now a selection >> menu. It should be evident what is selected ;-) > > It is, but it does not appear to work... > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris > (France) > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 09:07:30 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:07:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: <124920000.1022572961@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > Some good news, > > I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more > real entries. > So we have more than 37 but less than 61. > I work to find out why the real ones don't show up. I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twice, asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 09:09:00 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:09:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > I think the most important change to consider is getting a > professional conference organizer to take care of the conference > maintenance (location, food, hostesses, projectors, badges, etc.). Agreed. We should contract such a company to do the grunt work and focus on content and public relations. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 09:11:11 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:11:11 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people Message-ID: Hi, I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not pay. How am I supposed to (not) do this ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From js@aixtraware.de Tue May 28 09:45:45 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:45:45 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <127120000.1022575544@[10.2.1.1]> I am just writing an dtml-method, to send an email to those, which don't=20 have an registration date, apparently they had problems to confirm the=20 payment. When it is working, it can be invoked with a link. The mail will contain a link, to continue their registration. If you send emails in the meantime, could you bcc them to me ? --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 10:07:30 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20 wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > >> Some good news, >> >> I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more >> real entries. >> So we have more than 37 but less than 61. >> I work to find out why the real ones don't show up. > > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered = twice, > asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ? > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris > (France) > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From holger@trillke.net Tue May 28 09:54:17 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 10:54:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke> [Nicolas Chauvat Tue, May 28, 2002 at 10:09:00AM +0200] > > I think the most important change to consider is getting a > > professional conference organizer to take care of the conference > > maintenance (location, food, hostesses, projectors, badges, etc.). > > Agreed. We should contract such a company to do the grunt work and focus > on content and public relations. just my 2c... I visited the CCC-congress with ~800 people in berlin and the fosdem in Bruxelles with ~600 people. They both were well organized by volunteers and they were great events. They both weren't the first of their type, though! Have some patience ... The intended type of the event is especially important: Is it for developers/hackers or for business people? Trying to mix these types is *difficult* and needs special considerations and experiences. (regarding accomodation, prices, talks, mostly everything). And anyway, i believe that EuroPython will be a success! I have organized bigger events myself and there almost always is a great depression because of uncertainty. (btw, for the CCC-congress you can't even preregister!) Also there almost always is a misallocation of resources (caring for not-right-now-important-things too much). After the web-site has enough information (*) I suggest that everyone writes a *personal* inventation on their respective mailing lists (where they are personally known). Sending out press releases on developers mailing lists is not the right means if i dare say that. best regards, holger (*) IMO the information about 'who gives a talk about what' is the most important information. everything else from city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you decided you want to come!). From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <018e01c20627$ba51a800$1e71a8c0@u10136> go ahead. This will clear out things. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Joachim Schmitz" Cc: "europython" Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > > > Some good news, > > > > I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some m= ore > > real entries. > > So we have more than 37 but less than 61. > > I work to find out why the real ones don't show up. > > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twi= ce, > asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ? > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <017c01c20627$a0e245f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Arrghhh!!!! Sorry! I'll update it this evening. Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] page update > On Mon, 27 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > > > Timetable updated to reflect decisions of last chat: > > > > http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/timeschedule > > Oops, looks like Guido is not welcomed anymore, as ESR will give *two* > (should I say all?) keynote speaches :-) > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <019e01c20627$eaed59f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hi, > > I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not pay. Are they speakers, press people? >How am I supposed to (not) do this ? go to the admin folder in the registration folder. click on the view tab and there you can enter these persons Tom. From Tom Deprez" <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke> Message-ID: <01ca01c20628$72fe1d70$1e71a8c0@u10136> > (*) IMO the information about 'who gives a talk about what' > is the most important information. everything else from > city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you > decided you want to come!). Correct, that's why I urged (some time back) all the track managers to put the talks online. http://europython.zope.nl/sessions/talks Regards, Tom. From tismer@tismer.com Tue May 28 10:23:55 2002 From: tismer@tismer.com (Christian Tismer) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 02:23:55 -0700 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke> Message-ID: <3CF34CAB.7070109@tismer.com> holger@trillke.net wrote: ... > And anyway, i believe that EuroPython will be a success! sure it will. [p.s.] > (*) IMO the information about 'who gives a talk about what' > is the most important information. everything else from > city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you > decided you want to come!). Are you saying that I should do an announcement tomorrow on python-announce that I will talk again about well-known stack switching techniques for Python??? I'm not sure if it helps, but if you say so, I can shout out quite loud. Or do you believe it could even distract people? Then I would instead shut up, loudly :-) cheeerioh - chris -- Christian Tismer :^) Mission Impossible 5oftware : Have a break! Take a ride on Python's Johannes-Niemeyer-Weg 9a : *Starship* http://starship.python.net/ 14109 Berlin : PGP key -> http://wwwkeys.pgp.net/ work +49 30 89 09 53 34 home +49 30 802 86 56 pager +49 173 24 18 776 PGP 0x57F3BF04 9064 F4E1 D754 C2FF 1619 305B C09C 5A3B 57F3 BF04 whom do you want to sponsor today? http://www.stackless.com/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 10:27:56 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:27:56 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people In-Reply-To: <019e01c20627$eaed59f0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: On Tue, 28 May 2002, Tom Deprez wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not pay. > > Are they speakers, press people? Speakers. See above :-) > >How am I supposed to (not) do this ? > > go to the admin folder in the registration folder. click on the view > tab and there you can enter these persons But it asks me for payment method, right ? How are we supposed to know that a person will not pay then ? Won't this put us in trouble when calculating the budget ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 28 10:28:41 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:28:41 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people References: Message-ID: <3CF34DC9.9030700@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > On Tue, 28 May 2002, Joachim Schmitz wrote: > > >>Some good news, >> >>I checked the data again, there are some testentries, but also some more >>real entries. >>So we have more than 37 but less than 61. >>I work to find out why the real ones don't show up. > > > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twice, > asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ? That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than one ticket. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002: http://www.europython.org/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <031c01c2062a$49d62800$1e71a8c0@u10136> > > > Hi, > > > > > > I would like to register speakers to the conference, but they do not pay. > > > > Are they speakers, press people? > > Speakers. See above :-) oops. Again hard night :-) > > >How am I supposed to (not) do this ? > > > > go to the admin folder in the registration folder. click on the view > > tab and there you can enter these persons > > But it asks me for payment method, right ? How are we supposed to know > that a person will not pay then ? Won't this put us in trouble when > calculating the budget ? No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) And I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give a problem counting the budget Regards, Tom. From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 10:31:21 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:31:21 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke> Message-ID: > I visited the CCC-congress with ~800 people in berlin and > the fosdem in Bruxelles with ~600 people. They both were well > organized by volunteers and they were great events. > They both weren't the first of their type, though! Have some patience ... That's good news, but if we are to apply for EU funding, we'll need to write down a budget anyway, so let's plan on contracting someone else and do the work ourselves if we decide to. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 10:30:05 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:30:05 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: <3CF34DC9.9030700@lemburg.com> Message-ID: > > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered twice, > > asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ? > > That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people > who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than > one ticket. I postponed that until Joachim looks into it further. I sent him the info about what I did. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From oli@aragne.com Tue May 28 10:33:27 2002 From: oli@aragne.com (Olivier Laurent) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:33:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020528093327.GA1602@debian> On mar, 28 mai 2002, M.-A. Lemburg wrote: > About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with > some UK events and there's also the football world... so how > about the first week of June ?! It's near to impossible to choose a date that doesn't overlap with some other event. The problem with the beginning of June is the student exams. The end of June is not so bad. Nearly all students will have finished their exams. And most of the time, the weather is nice. Should we take into account a sport event ? I'm not a football fan so I can't tell. If June is to be reconsidered, I think the middle of September or March and April would be good candidates. I would probably exclude May (exams) and July and August (holidays). -- Olivier Laurent. P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 28 10:40:20 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:40:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... References: Message-ID: <3CF35084.7020908@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >>I visited the CCC-congress with ~800 people in berlin and >>the fosdem in Bruxelles with ~600 people. They both were well >>organized by volunteers and they were great events. >>They both weren't the first of their type, though! Have some patience ... > > > That's good news, but if we are to apply for EU funding, we'll need to > write down a budget anyway, so let's plan on contracting someone else and > do the work ourselves if we decide to. +1 -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002: http://www.europython.org/ From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 10:42:45 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 11:42:45 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people In-Reply-To: <031c01c2062a$49d62800$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) And > I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give a > problem counting the budget I keep getting errors : Error Type: TALESError Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has no attribute 'greaterThan' in "" :-( -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 28 11:04:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 12:04:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people References: Message-ID: <3CF35643.6070401@lemburg.com> Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >>No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) And >>I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give a >>problem counting the budget > > > I keep getting errors : > > Error Type: TALESError > Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has > no attribute 'greaterThan' in "" > > :-( > It seems you have to enter today's date in both date fields on the form (registered on... and payed on...). Works for me at least. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002: http://www.europython.org/ From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <03f501c20631$e2d72570$1e71a8c0@u10136> Have you entered 0. In the amount box? Tom. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nicolas Chauvat" To: "Tom Deprez" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registering non-paying people > > No, it normally just gives an input box, in which I type 0 (0 EUR) An= d > > I use the SWIFT Payment option. Knowing these two, it shouldn't give = a > > problem counting the budget > > I keep getting errors : > > Error Type: TALESError > Error Value: exceptions.AttributeError on 'None' object has > no attribute 'greaterThan' in "" > > :-( > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Pari= s (France) > > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From mwh@python.net Tue May 28 12:28:11 2002 From: mwh@python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: 28 May 2002 12:28:11 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: "M.-A. Lemburg"'s message of "Tue, 28 May 2002 09:45:56 +0200" References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net> "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with > some UK events Not sure which ones. There's a Linux Developers conference the week after... > and there's also the football world... so how about the first week > of June ?! Would be annoyingly early for many I suspect. It's still exam season here. Cheers, M. -- Need to Know is usually an interesting UK digest of things that happened last week or might happen next week. [...] This week, nothing happened, and we don't care. -- NTK Know, 2000-12-29, http://www.ntk.net/ From mal@lemburg.com Tue May 28 12:39:51 2002 From: mal@lemburg.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:39:51 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com> Michael Hudson wrote: > "M.-A. Lemburg" writes: > > >>About the when: Dinu already mentioned the conflicts with >>some UK events > > > Not sure which ones. There's a Linux Developers conference the week after... > > >>and there's also the football world... so how about the first week >>of June ?! > > > Would be annoyingly early for many I suspect. It's still exam season here. Hmm, it seems then that the last week in June is more attractive, then, right ? (just gathering ideas) -- Marc-Andre Lemburg CEO eGenix.com Software GmbH ______________________________________________________________________ Company & Consulting: http://www.egenix.com/ Python Software: http://www.egenix.com/files/python/ Meet us at EuroPython 2002: http://www.europython.org/ From Tom Deprez" <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net> <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <004501c2063d$a92fd090$1e71a8c0@u10136> > Hmm, it seems then that the last week in June is more attractive, > then, right ? > > (just gathering ideas) I think so, don't also forget that the football is each every 4 years... still, I'm not a person who wouldn't go to a congress because of a worldcup. Don't think there are much people who would. If so, they will probably also take days off. Regards, Tom. From denis@aragne.com Tue May 28 12:56:29 2002 From: denis@aragne.com (Denis =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fr=E8re?=) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 13:56:29 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com> References: <20020527222317.F22197@carolo.net> <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <2mn0ukv7ec.fsf@starship.python.net> <3CF36C87.1080906@lemburg.com> Message-ID: <20020528135629.R575@carolo.net> Le Tue, May 28, 2002 at 01:39:51PM +0200, M.-A. Lemburg pianota: > > Hmm, it seems then that the last week in June is more attractive, > then, right ? > > (just gathering ideas) I do think so. Denis -- Denis FRERE P3B : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org OS3B : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo http://www.os3b.org Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com From js@aixtraware.de Tue May 28 13:03:03 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:03:03 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <143160000.1022587383@[10.2.1.1]> I added several things, 1. there is now a remindmail link, which sends the following mail: dear Mr. Test, you or someone, who knows your emailaddress, have filled in the data below, for registering at the EuroPython 2002. But apparently you did not complete the whole process -- you did not specify a payment method. You can complete your registration by following this link http://www.europython.org/Registration/confirm?itemId=3D021431704 or please send a reply and inform us, what to do with this registration. The registration information: Registration-Id: 021431704 Name: Mr. Test E-mail: js@aixtraware.de T-shirt: XL ---- end of mail after sending it sets/appends to the attribute mails, 2002/05/28 11:29:38.095 GMT+2 remind 2. in the add/edit form - You can now choose between different paymentmethods, tell me if you want=20 more. - I add the mails field, enter a line, if you send an email manually. - the date-fields have now a value of 1.1.1970 for "None", this is a hack,=20 cause there is no "None" date-value I think you keep me informed about problems ;-) --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 11:30:05 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20 wrote: >> > I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered >> > twice, asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or not ? >> >> That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people >> who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than >> one ticket. > > I postponed that until Joachim looks into it further. I sent him the info > about what I did. > > -- > Nicolas Chauvat > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris > (France) > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <143160000.1022587383@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <00a901c20640$96b8c400$1e71a8c0@u10136> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR? This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't receive a message. Tom. Joachim Schmitz wrote: > I added several things, > > 1. there is now a remindmail link, which sends the following mail: > > dear Mr. Test, > > you or someone, who knows your emailaddress, have filled in the data > below, for registering at the EuroPython 2002. But apparently you did > not complete the whole process -- you did not specify a payment > method. > > You can complete your registration by following this link > > http://www.europython.org/Registration/confirm?itemId=3D021431704 > > or please send a reply and inform us, what to do with this > registration. > > > The registration information: > > Registration-Id: 021431704 > Name: Mr. Test > > > E-mail: js@aixtraware.de > T-shirt: XL > ---- end of mail > > after sending it sets/appends to the attribute mails, > > 2002/05/28 11:29:38.095 GMT+2 remind > > 2. in the add/edit form > > - You can now choose between different paymentmethods, tell me if you > want more. > > - I add the mails field, enter a line, if you send an email manually. > > - the date-fields have now a value of 1.1.1970 for "None", this is a > hack, cause there is no "None" date-value > > I think you keep me informed about problems ;-) > > > > > --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 11:30:05 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat > wrote: > >>>> I already sent two e-mails to people that appeared to be registered >>>> twice, asking if it was on purpose or not, should I continue or >>>> not ? >>> >>> That's a good thing to do, but you should only contact people >>> who have also payed twice -- could be that they needed more than >>> one ticket. >> >> I postponed that until Joachim looks into it further. I sent him the >> info about what I did. >> >> -- >> Nicolas Chauvat >> >> http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, >> Paris (France) >> > > > > Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmit= z > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen > H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven > Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 > Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 13:15:08 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:15:08 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: <00a901c20640$96b8c400$1e71a8c0@u10136> Message-ID: > Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR? > This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't receive a > message. I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that could take one of the following values ['speaker','press','attendee']. By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be modifiable, but when editing a form, an authenticated user (us) could select speaker or press. Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 13:18:53 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:18:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: Message-ID: BTW, where did the "delete" link go ? on the http://www.europython.org/Registration/Admin/ page ? -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From Tom Deprez" Message-ID: <00cd01c20641$cb610810$1e71a8c0@u10136> +1 Is better, if possible. Tom. Nicolas Chauvat wrote: >> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR? >> This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't >> receive a message. > > I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that could > take one of the following values ['speaker','press','attendee']. > > By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be modifiable, > but when editing a form, an authenticated user (us) could select > speaker or press. > > Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please? > > http://www.logilab.com - "Mais o=F9 est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, > Paris (France) > > _______________________________________________ > Tom mailing list > Tom@aragne.com > http://carolo.net/mailman/listinfo/tom From holger@trillke.net Tue May 28 14:01:08 2002 From: holger@trillke.net (holger@trillke.net) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:01:08 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <3CF34CAB.7070109@tismer.com> References: <3CF335B4.5020602@lemburg.com> <20020528085417.GF2845@devel.trillke> <3CF34CAB.7070109@tismer.com> Message-ID: <20020528130108.GG2845@devel.trillke> [Christian Tismer Tue, May 28, 2002 at 02:23:55AM -0700] > holger@trillke.net wrote: > ... > > >And anyway, i believe that EuroPython will be a success! > > sure it will. > > [p.s.] > > >(*) IMO the information about 'who gives a talk about what' > > is the most important information. everything else from > > city-maps, payment to accomodation comes *next* (after you > > decided you want to come!). > > Are you saying that I should do an announcement tomorrow > on python-announce that I will talk again about well-known > stack switching techniques for Python??? yes. Many people have only distantly heard about this mysterious cutting edge stackless (less what?) project where they keep talking about ALT and PAR statements, languages long forgotten and which manages to p*** off the BDFL from time to time :-) I am not saying that everybody should flood c.l.py with announcements, but for example i sometimes mention it to people when we are discussing issues ("are you by any change at europython next month? we can continue in depth ..."). > I'm not sure if it helps, but if you say so, I can shout > out quite loud. Or do you believe it could even distract > people? Then I would instead shut up, loudly :-) no doubt :-) cheers, holger From Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr Tue May 28 14:03:49 2002 From: Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:03:49 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [EuroPython] Some talks for next year ... In-Reply-To: <20020528130108.GG2845@devel.trillke> Message-ID: > people when we are discussing issues ("are you by any > change at europython next month? we can continue in depth ..."). Yes, that's a very nice way of doing it. I do that too and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Others, please publicise our conference this way as well. -- Nicolas Chauvat http://www.logilab.com - "Mais où est donc Ornicar ?" - LOGILAB, Paris (France) From js@aixtraware.de Tue May 28 14:33:25 2002 From: js@aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz) Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 15:33:25 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Seclection for the list of Registered people In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 14:15:08 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat=20 wrote: >> Do you take care of the people with 0 EUR? >> This are the press people I already entered. So they shouldn't receive a >> message. > > I think we need another field: audience_type or something, that could = take > one of the following values ['speaker','press','attendee']. > > By default the value would be 'attendee' and would not be modifiable, but > when editing a form, an authenticated user (us) could select speaker or > press. > > Joachim, may I ask you to add this feature, please? done ;-) The attribute was already there named "reg_type", it is empty for everybody = registered till now, so we take the empty value for "attendee". I also = added "staff" to the list, perhaps we also need something like "org team". We can = then also print the appropriate badges. Please fill also the field paymentmethod where appropriate. How do you like the new list layout ? BTW: the delete link is hidden, to avoid unwanted deletions, I think I put=20 it into the edit-form. Mit freundlichen Gr=FC=DFen Joachim Schmitz -------------------------------------------------------------------- AixtraWare Ingenieurb=FCro f=FCr Internetanwendungen H=FCsgenstr. 33a, D-52457 Aldenhoven Telefon: +49-2464-8851, FAX: +49-2464-905163 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint =3D DA10 CC82 62F8 1DBB 39A1 1EDC 725B 3317 A8D7 C3A6 Keyserver: http://www.keyserver.net/en/ From Tom Deprez" <148070000.1022592805@[10.2.1.1]> Message-ID: <019201c2064d$dd90d4a0$1e71a8c0@u10136> Joachim Schmitz wrote: > --On Dienstag, Mai 28, 2002 14:15:08 +0200 Nicolas Chauvat >