From lac at strakt.com  Mon Dec  6 09:50:25 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon Dec  6 13:24:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
Message-ID: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

When is it?

Laura
From jacob at strakt.com  Wed Dec  8 15:19:01 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed Dec  8 15:19:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Exact dates for Europython
Message-ID: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com>

Hello folks!

To begin with, I'd like to apologise for not calling to meetings. I have been 
extremely busy and unfortunately Europython items have had to stand back for 
a while. I now have some items for Europython at the top of my agenda.

I've listed some of them below. I would prefer to have a discussion on the 
mailing list to start with, and then we will make formal decisions in a 
meeting a little later.

One of them is to set down the exact dates for the conference itself. We have 
reconfirmed with SGS Veckobost?der that they have reserved their rooms for us 
from 26 June to 3 July.

SInce we would probably prefer to have the main sprint activities after the 
conference, rather than before, this suggests that we should do like last 
year and hold the conference Monday-Wednesday, setting the conference dates 
to 27-29 June.

I would also like to suggest that we keep the arrangements with a pub on the 
first night of the conference and a banquet on the second night. For the 
banquet, we are talking to a new chef who is hot on the idea of cooking for 
us. This should mean better food for the vegetarians. For the pub, I think 
last years arrangements were a success and we should be able to repeat that.

We also need to set the scene for keynotes. Last year we had Guido and Mark 
Shuttleworth. We were also late booking the big auditorium, which left 
Guido's keynote in the main conference venue. We should fix this by booking 
early.

The things we need to decide about keynotes are
a) is 2 keynotes enough, or do we want a third one? If so, when should we have 
it?
b) Steve Alexander has suggested asking Adele Goldberg to be keynote speaker. 
Personally, I think this sounds great. Should we ask her, or do people have 
other names they would rather prefer?
c) Do we ask Guido to hold a keynote again? I sort of assume yes, but I want 
to confirm that this is the general sentiment.
d) are people happy with having the keynotes at the end of day 1 and 2?

Next thing is conference rooms. By holding the conference after Mid-summer, we 
get a 50% discount on the rent for the rooms. This means that even with 
possibly increased prices, we should be able to increase the amount of space 
we have without increasing the conference fees. For instance, we could have 
the biggest room, 2 large ones and one small one. We could increase to 3 
large ones and no small ones, but if we improve the scheduling, I don't think 
that will be necessary.

In the feedback there were a lot of people asking that we serve breakfast. If 
we want to do this, I think it should be included in the conference fee. 
Otherwise we would probably have to take an economic risk by guaranteeing a 
certain amount of breakfast sales for the restaurant. My guess is that if we 
are conservative in the increase of conference space, we should be able to 
include breakfast with no rasie or only a modest raise in conference prices. 
So, please tell me what you think about serving breakfast.

This is all that comes to mind right now. I'm sure I'll be back with more 
soon.

Jacob
From mwh at python.net  Thu Dec  9 15:27:27 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu Dec  9 15:27:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Exact dates for Europython
In-Reply-To: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Wed, 8 Dec 2004 15:19:01
	+0100")
References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2msm6fpmwg.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob@strakt.com> writes:

> The things we need to decide about keynotes are
> a) is 2 keynotes enough, or do we want a third one? If so, when should we have 
> it?

Two is enough for me.

> b) Steve Alexander has suggested asking Adele Goldberg to be keynote speaker. 
> Personally, I think this sounds great. Should we ask her, or do people have 
> other names they would rather prefer?

She'd be great, IMHO.

> c) Do we ask Guido to hold a keynote again? I sort of assume yes, but I want 
> to confirm that this is the general sentiment.

Yes, assuming he wants to give it again :)

> d) are people happy with having the keynotes at the end of day 1 and 2?

I am.

> Next thing is conference rooms. By holding the conference after Mid-summer, we 
> get a 50% discount on the rent for the rooms. This means that even with 
> possibly increased prices, we should be able to increase the amount of space 
> we have without increasing the conference fees. For instance, we could have 
> the biggest room, 2 large ones and one small one. We could increase to 3 
> large ones and no small ones, but if we improve the scheduling, I don't think 
> that will be necessary.

We should definitely try to schedule better this time.

> In the feedback there were a lot of people asking that we serve breakfast. If 
> we want to do this, I think it should be included in the conference fee. 
> Otherwise we would probably have to take an economic risk by guaranteeing a 
> certain amount of breakfast sales for the restaurant. My guess is that if we 
> are conservative in the increase of conference space, we should be able to 
> include breakfast with no rasie or only a modest raise in conference prices. 
> So, please tell me what you think about serving breakfast.

What does "breakfast" mean?  If it means urns of coffee and piles of
pastries, that sounds like a good thing to me.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  This is the fixed point problem again; since all some implementors
  do is implement the compiler and libraries for compiler writing, the
  language becomes good at writing compilers and not much else!
                                 -- Brian Rogoff, comp.lang.functional
From lac at strakt.com  Thu Dec  9 15:40:31 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu Dec  9 15:40:40 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Exact dates for Europython 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> of "Thu,
	09 Dec 2004 14:27:27 GMT." <2msm6fpmwg.fsf@starship.python.net> 
References: <200412081519.01139.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2msm6fpmwg.fsf@starship.python.net> 
Message-ID: <200412091440.iB9EeVeh020569@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:27:27 GMT, Michael Hudson writes:
>What does "breakfast" mean?  If it means urns of coffee and piles of
>pastries, that sounds like a good thing to me.
>
>Cheers,
>mwh

I was thinking more along the line of a breakfast-ticket to go along with your
lunch-ticket, and then a larger selection of breakfast faire.  Comments?

Laura
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Dec  9 15:27:25 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu Dec  9 15:42:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:

>When is it?
>
>Laura
>  
>

I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and graphics) 
done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.

regards /JM
From lac at strakt.com  Thu Dec  9 15:47:23 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu Dec  9 15:47:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo@ita.chalmers.se> of "Thu,
	09 Dec 2004 15:27:25 +0100." <41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se> 
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:27:25 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes:
>Laura Creighton wrote:
>
>>When is it?
>>
>>Laura
>>  
>>
>
>I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and graphics) 
>done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.
>
>regards /JM

Fantastic!  Jacob and I will be in Saarbrucken Germany M-T-W.  How does
Thursday 17:00 work as a meeting for you?

Laura, who wants to know how Thursday 17:00 works for everybody else
as well.
From mwh at python.net  Thu Dec  9 15:52:55 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu Dec  9 15:52:57 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> (Laura
	Creighton's message of "Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:47:23 +0100")
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2moeh3plq0.fsf@starship.python.net>

Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:

> In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:27:25 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes:
>>Laura Creighton wrote:
>>
>>>When is it?
>>>
>>>Laura
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and graphics) 
>>done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.
>>
>>regards /JM
>
> Fantastic!  Jacob and I will be in Saarbrucken Germany M-T-W.  How does
> Thursday 17:00 work as a meeting for you?
>
> Laura, who wants to know how Thursday 17:00 works for everybody else
> as well.

1600 here, right?  I think that will work for me.

Cheers,
mwh
(who reserves the right to be outside climbing if the weather is decent).

-- 
  First time I've gotten a programming job that required a drug
  test.  I was worried they were going to say "you don't have
  enough LSD in your system to do Unix programming".   -- Paul Tomblin
               -- http://home.xnet.com/~raven/Sysadmin/ASR.Quotes.html
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Dec  9 15:42:12 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu Dec  9 15:57:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:

>In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:27:25 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes:
>  
>
>>Laura Creighton wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>When is it?
>>>
>>>Laura
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and graphics) 
>>done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.
>>
>>regards /JM
>>    
>>
>
>Fantastic!  Jacob and I will be in Saarbrucken Germany M-T-W.  How does
>Thursday 17:00 work as a meeting for you?
>
>Laura, who wants to know how Thursday 17:00 works for everybody else
>as well.
>  
>

Hi,

Thursday is not OK (there is a Christmas dinner). But Friday 17 (17.30 
for instance) should be fine - otherwise the week after maybe? I can in 
any way post a link to a demo site until then.

/JM

From lac at strakt.com  Thu Dec  9 16:06:22 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu Dec  9 16:06:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo@ita.chalmers.se> of "Thu,
	09 Dec 2004 15:42:12 +0100." <41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se> 
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200412091506.iB9F6MT0020714@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:42:12 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes:
>Laura Creighton wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Thursday is not OK (there is a Christmas dinner). But Friday 17 (17.30 
>for instance) should be fine - otherwise the week after maybe? I can in 
>any way post a link to a demo site until then.
>
>/JM

Friday is not going to work for Jacob nor me.  But it will be great to see the
demo site.

Ok, what times are good the week after?

Laura  -- busy 1400-1600 Monday, but who thinks is flexible all the rest.


From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Dec  9 16:13:51 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu Dec  9 16:14:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <200412091506.iB9F6MT0020714@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091506.iB9F6MT0020714@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <41B86BAF.6010407@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:

>In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:42:12 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes:
>  
>
>>Laura Creighton wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>Thursday is not OK (there is a Christmas dinner). But Friday 17 (17.30 
>>for instance) should be fine - otherwise the week after maybe? I can in 
>>any way post a link to a demo site until then.
>>
>>/JM
>>    
>>
>
>Friday is not going to work for Jacob nor me.  But it will be great to see the
>demo site.
>
>Ok, what times are good the week after?
>
>Laura  -- busy 1400-1600 Monday, but who thinks is flexible all the rest.
>  
>

just any time is OK the week after - I'll be on vacation then but I'll 
have access to internet.

I'll send a link next week anyway so you can have a look.

/JM
From tziade at nuxeo.com  Thu Dec  9 16:22:58 2004
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Thu Dec  9 16:23:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] conference manager tool
Message-ID: <41B86DD2.6030206@nuxeo.com>

Hi all,

I am still working on the conference tool for the other conference (RMLL) ,
I'll have a viewable tool by January running under CPS.

 It will be released next as a generic tool to manage conferences.

Project page : http://openconference.org (quite empty rigth now)

I'd be glad if we can share stuff :)

Tarek

From andy at reportlab.com  Fri Dec 10 07:27:18 2004
From: andy at reportlab.com (Andy Robinson)
Date: Fri Dec 10 07:27:20 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] UK Python Conference - 20-23 April 2005 - Call for
	papers
Message-ID: <OFEEIFGBPBMAIHKGNAJKMEHECEAA.andy@reportlab.com>

The UK Python Conference for 2005 will take place at
the Randolph Hotel, Oxford on 20-23 April 2005.

We hereby invite speakers to submit proposals for talks.

About the event
===============
This will once again be held as a track within the ACCU
conference.  The conference site is here, and more details
on the Python track will appear shortly.
   http://www.accu.org/conference/

The ACCU event is one of the foremost conferences for programmers,
attracting the inventors and/or leading proponents of C, C++,
Java, .NET and Python over the last few years.  Past Python speakers
have included Guido van Rossum, David Ascher, Alex Martelli, Armin Rigo,
Paul Everitt, Marc-Andre Lemburg and many others, and the
ACCU now treats Python as being fully on par with Java and C++.
The event is priced midway between commercial and community
events, at approx. ?100 per day, and is professionally managed.

It is located in a historic hotel in the centre of Oxford and is
ideal for anyone wanting to combine a holiday with a conference.


Conference Format
=================
The Python conference will span THREE days, with ONE track.
The first slot each morning is taken by the cross-conference
keynote. This was the overwhelming preference of those we polled
last year. (There will NOT be a separate Open Source track this
year; the "rotating special subject" is Security. As a result,
Python-related security talks would be of interest)

You may propose 90 minute or 45 minute talks. The
ACCU's general preference is for a small number of high
quality, well prepared talks on subjects of broad interest
to programmers, and the Python track will follow this.
There will also be space for less formal lunchtime talks,
evening BOFs and other events.

Speakers' compensation is yet to be confirmed, but in the
past those doing 90 mimutes (or 2x45 minute talks) will be
eligible for 4 days paid accomodation and admission to
the 4 day event; 45 minute speakers will gain 1 day's admission.
Where possible, we will attempt to allocate resources to ensure
that the best speakers are able to attend irrespective of
circumstances.


Submission Procedure
===================
Please send an email to pyuk2005_talks@reportlab.com
not later than 26th December, with the following information:
  Your Name
  Short Biography
  Talk Title
  Talk Synopsis

This is a simple mailbox; the committee will review and
acknowledge submissions a couple of times a week.
If this shows promise, you will be given a chance to refine
the details through a web based system later.


Committee
=========
A small committee will be formed to scrutinize talk proposals
including those whol volunteered last year. This includes
myself, Dr. Tim Couper and Dr. John Lee.  General discussion about
the event should be directed to the python-uk list
(python-uk@python.org)

ReportLab Europe Ltd. is managing parts of the event infrastructure
and will be providing some staff time to provide a guaranteed
point of contact.


---

Best Regards


Andy Robinson
CEO/Chief Architect
ReportLab Europe Ltd
tel +44-20-8544-8049

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Dec 10 09:58:01 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri Dec 10 09:58:08 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <41B96519.5060806@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> Laura, who wants to know how Thursday 17:00 works for everybody else
> as well.

Does not work for me unfortunatley, since I am on my way to picking up 
my son from by then. Later on thursdays, say around 19.00 CET works better.

Not that I exepect people to change schedules, but Mondays around 17.00 
work ok for me, as does wednesdays between 18.05 and 19.00.

In any event, as long as the mail-list activity is not totally replaced 
by irc meetings then I can cope with being offline. I.e it would be nice 
to have summaries and decisions posted on the list as well.

Cheers,

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
"...och klicka d?r? hm, nu m?ste jag g?ra kill -9 p? Word igen..." - b
From paul at zope-europe.org  Fri Dec 10 08:13:49 2004
From: paul at zope-europe.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Fri Dec 10 10:18:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting 
In-Reply-To: <200412091506.iB9F6MT0020714@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412091506.iB9F6MT0020714@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <0A324B44-4A7B-11D9-9998-000D932B6FF0@zope-europe.org>


On Dec 9, 2004, at 3:06 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:

> In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:42:12 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet 
> writes:
>> Laura Creighton wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Thursday is not OK (there is a Christmas dinner). But Friday 17 (17.30
>> for instance) should be fine - otherwise the week after maybe? I can 
>> in
>> any way post a link to a demo site until then.
>>
>> /JM
>
> Friday is not going to work for Jacob nor me.  But it will be great to 
> see the
> demo site.
>
> Ok, what times are good the week after?
>
> Laura  -- busy 1400-1600 Monday, but who thinks is flexible all the 
> rest.

I'm flexible all week.

--Paul

From tziade at nuxeo.com  Fri Dec 10 10:32:40 2004
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Fri Dec 10 10:32:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41B96D38.9030006@nuxeo.com>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> Laura Creighton wrote:
>
>> In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:27:25 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet 
>> writes:
>>  
>>
>>> Laura Creighton wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> When is it?
>>>>
>>>> Laura
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>
>>> I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and 
>>> graphics) done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.
>>>
>>> regards /JM
>>
Can we have a work meeting with people from the web site group to talk 
about the functionnalities part ?
We have started to talk about its implementation with Joachims and made 
some tests, and we can probably come up with something but it could be 
nice if someone who has previously participate could take a lead on this 
for migrating previous functionnalities

Tarek

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Dec 10 11:30:44 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri Dec 10 11:42:23 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <41B96D38.9030006@nuxeo.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>	<200412091447.iB9ElNNQ020624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B86444.1040502@ita.chalmers.se> <41B96D38.9030006@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <41B97AD4.8070407@ita.chalmers.se>

Tarek Ziad? wrote:

> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
>> Laura Creighton wrote:
>>
>>> In a message of Thu, 09 Dec 2004 15:27:25 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet 
>>> writes:
>>>  
>>>
>>>> Laura Creighton wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> When is it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Laura
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and 
>>>> graphics) done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.
>>>>
>>>> regards /JM
>>>
>>>
> Can we have a work meeting with people from the web site group to talk 
> about the functionnalities part ?
> We have started to talk about its implementation with Joachims and 
> made some tests, and we can probably come up with something but it 
> could be nice if someone who has previously participate could take a 
> lead on this for migrating previous functionnalities
>
> Tarek
>
Yes, any time is OK for me starting from 20 dec otherwise next week mon-tue

/JM

From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 18:20:18 2004
From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Fri Dec 10 18:20:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41B9DAD2.7010701@yahoo.com>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> Laura Creighton wrote:
> 
>> When is it?
>>
>> Laura
>>  
>>
> 
> I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and graphics) 
> done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.


One thing we really need is a better way for folks to find past 
presentation materials that were uploaded. Alex was trying to find a 
presentation he'd seen at EP2004 - he gave up. He's not even sure 
whether the presenter even uploaded a file or not.

That's something we need to be able to handle better in the future. Just 
bringing it up as a data point for things to think about on the website 
work.

Anna
(back to "the book" - deadline breathing down our necks...)
From tziade at nuxeo.com  Fri Dec 10 19:11:45 2004
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Fri Dec 10 19:11:54 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
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References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se>
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Laura Creighton wrote:

>Everbody is welcome to come by and talk and suggest things, but it is not
>clear where any integration remains to be done.  I don't know anything about
>your package, so I don't know whether it provides any functionality which we
>lack.  You are arriving awfully late to this project, much of which was done
>over the summer.  Do not waste any more time trying to integrate with anything from 
>Joachim, because the plan is to not use any of that stuff whatsoever.  
>
>Laura
>  
>
Oh ok,
that was from last meeting on irc we had about the web site
 last month,
we talked about this and we were talking about this integration
with Joachims, according to people that where present it seemed
we had to integrate such a thing within the new site.

I have explained then that I was doing the same work for another
 confererence using same technos so I could be interesting to compare
 and share stuff. I have proposed to give a hand on this aspect
 and everyone seemed ok,

Then we proposed that Joachim and I will work on this part of the website.

So if everything is already integrated this is pretty cool, congrats :)

cheers ,

Tarek

From lac at strakt.com  Fri Dec 10 22:45:23 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri Dec 10 22:45:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting 
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	of "Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:11:45 +0100." <41B9E6E1.2090706@nuxeo.com> 
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In a message of Fri, 10 Dec 2004 19:11:45 +0100, Tarek Ziad? writes:
>Laura Creighton wrote:
>
>>Everbody is welcome to come by and talk and suggest things, but it is no
>t
>>clear where any integration remains to be done.  I don't know anything a
>bout
>>your package, so I don't know whether it provides any functionality whic
>h we
>>lack.  You are arriving awfully late to this project, much of which was 
>done
>>over the summer.  Do not waste any more time trying to integrate with an
>ything from 
>>Joachim, because the plan is to not use any of that stuff whatsoever.  
>>
>>Laura
>>  
>>
>Oh ok,
>that was from last meeting on irc we had about the web site
> last month,
>we talked about this and we were talking about this integration
>with Joachims, according to people that where present it seemed
>we had to integrate such a thing within the new site.
>
>I have explained then that I was doing the same work for another
> confererence using same technos so I could be interesting to compare
> and share stuff. I have proposed to give a hand on this aspect
> and everyone seemed ok,
>
>Then we proposed that Joachim and I will work on this part of the website
>.
>
>So if everything is already integrated this is pretty cool, congrats :)
>
>cheers ,
>
>Tarek


Was I at that meeting?  I don't remember anything about this.

Laura
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Dec 10 23:02:58 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri Dec 10 23:06:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <41B9DAD2.7010701@yahoo.com>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se> <41B9DAD2.7010701@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <41BA1D12.1070509@ita.chalmers.se>

Anna Ravenscroft wrote:

> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
>> Laura Creighton wrote:
>>
>>> When is it?
>>>
>>> Laura
>>>  
>>>
>>
>> I don't know, but I can get a live site preview (layout and graphics) 
>> done by then if a date is set for next week for instance.
>
>
>
> One thing we really need is a better way for folks to find past 
> presentation materials that were uploaded. Alex was trying to find a 
> presentation he'd seen at EP2004 - he gave up. He's not even sure 
> whether the presenter even uploaded a file or not.
>
> That's something we need to be able to handle better in the future. 
> Just bringing it up as a data point for things to think about on the 
> website work.
>
> Anna
> (back to "the book" - deadline breathing down our necks...)


Hi, I seem to remember that the presentations were uploaded on the 
python.org site. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004Slides

It should be enough to let speakers publish their presentations in a 
given section of the site to make it easier for visitors to find them.

regards /JM
From nico at logilab.fr  Sat Dec 11 12:03:07 2004
From: nico at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Sat Dec 11 12:02:07 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next irc meeting
In-Reply-To: <41BA1D12.1070509@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <200412060850.iB68oPHF006289@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<41B860CD.1040708@ita.chalmers.se> <41B9DAD2.7010701@yahoo.com>
	<41BA1D12.1070509@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <20041211110307.GA2467@crater.logilab.fr>

On Fri, Dec 10, 2004 at 11:02:58PM +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> 
> Hi, I seem to remember that the presentations were uploaded on the 
> python.org site. http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004Slides
> 
> It should be enough to let speakers publish their presentations in a 
> given section of the site to make it easier for visitors to find them.

Agreed. That's what I did for the Science Track.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  
From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Dec 13 12:58:54 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon Dec 13 14:36:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where is the current EPC site?
Message-ID: <41BD83FE.9030802@ita.chalmers.se>



http://www.europython.org

seems to be dead.

/dario
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From mvm at brutele.be  Mon Dec 13 15:37:02 2004
From: mvm at brutele.be (vincent)
Date: Mon Dec 13 17:04:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>

Thank you Jean-Marc Orliaguet for your explanations,

then I make a model based on your samples and I hope
my proposition will interest all of EPC's peoples.

Tell me what you think about this proposition at this address:
http://www.cstorm.be/bincgi/jobsfolder/mvm/europython

Cordially,
Vincent.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean-Marc Orliaguet" <jmo@ita.chalmers.se>
To: "vincent" <mvm@brutele.be>
Cc: "Euro Python (pour ecrire)" <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] New Layouts

> Hi Vincent!
>
> there have been a few meetings on IRC. The site is going to be
> redesigned to better separate information meant for visitors from the CMS.
>
> The idea is to have a entrance page that shows recent information
> updates and that will act as a teaser for the conference with photos, etc.
> - this is layout 1 - http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/front.png
>
> - a second layout for the navigation, for finding information, browse
> the tracks, etc.
> layout 2: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/level2.png
>
> - a third layout that uses the whole page width that is meant to not
> distract the visitor from completing the registration process.
> layout 3: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/level2-no-menu.png
>
> - a fourth layout will be used in the back-office (the CMS) for creating
> and publishing information that is adapted for content management.
>
>
> PS: do you have the original logo in a vector-based format?
>
> regards /JM
>

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Dec 14 01:17:35 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue Dec 14 01:40:12 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
Message-ID: <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>

vincent wrote:

>Thank you Jean-Marc Orliaguet for your explanations,
>
>then I make a model based on your samples and I hope
>my proposition will interest all of EPC's peoples.
>
>Tell me what you think about this proposition at this address:
>http://www.cstorm.be/bincgi/jobsfolder/mvm/europython
>
>Cordially,
>Vincent.
>
>  
>

Hi!

* Here is a preview (half of the work was done already):
  http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/layout-2004-12-14.png

* and a live demo with rotating banners (not tested with IE yet, so view 
it with mozilla or firefox)
  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/

the themes are not finished yet (registration, search buttons missing, 
photos, etc)

* the back-office for creating / publishing content is viewable here:
  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/workspaces

the rendering times on the development server are of ~ 13req / second on 
the front page and 8-9 req/s on the others

would you like to fill in the pages with illustrations, or photos ?

regards /JM


From ivo at amaze.nl  Tue Dec 14 12:00:35 2004
From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Tue Dec 14 12:00:39 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41BEC7D3.4080203@amaze.nl>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> 
> * and a live demo with rotating banners (not tested with IE yet, so view 
> it with mozilla or firefox)
>  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/
> 
> the themes are not finished yet (registration, search buttons missing, 
> photos, etc)
> 
> * the back-office for creating / publishing content is viewable here:
>  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/workspaces
> 
> the rendering times on the development server are of ~ 13req / second on 
> the front page and 8-9 req/s on the others
> 

Hi,

As you may know, we (Amaze) are responsible for hosting europython. The fact 
that a Zope server was running on 'europython-develop.zope.nl' (esp port 8050) 
caught me by surprise - I thought we migrated all zope servers off this server 
to a new hosting server. (See 
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2004-August/004528.html for more info)

It seems you installed a Zope server on your own - that's not really part of the 
deal (though this is hard to prevent if you have shell access).

Do you want us to setup an 'official' development instance on the new hosting 
server? Any specific needs/requirements?

Regards,

	Ivo

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From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Dec 14 11:48:49 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue Dec 14 12:17:32 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <41BEC7D3.4080203@amaze.nl>
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se> <41BEC7D3.4080203@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <41BEC511.2090105@ita.chalmers.se>

Ivo van der Wijk wrote:

> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
>>
>> * and a live demo with rotating banners (not tested with IE yet, so 
>> view it with mozilla or firefox)
>>  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/
>>
>> the themes are not finished yet (registration, search buttons 
>> missing, photos, etc)
>>
>> * the back-office for creating / publishing content is viewable here:
>>  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/workspaces
>>
>> the rendering times on the development server are of ~ 13req / second 
>> on the front page and 8-9 req/s on the others
>>
>
> Hi,
>
> As you may know, we (Amaze) are responsible for hosting europython. 
> The fact that a Zope server was running on 
> 'europython-develop.zope.nl' (esp port 8050) caught me by surprise - I 
> thought we migrated all zope servers off this server to a new hosting 
> server. (See 
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2004-August/004528.html 
> for more info)
>
> It seems you installed a Zope server on your own - that's not really 
> part of the deal (though this is hard to prevent if you have shell 
> access).
>
> Do you want us to setup an 'official' development instance on the new 
> hosting server? Any specific needs/requirements?
>
> Regards,
>
>     Ivo
>

Hi,

yes if you can setup a server, this is fine - I wasn't sure about how 
port numbers are assigned... The required products are in 
~europy/zope-software and the instance is in ~europy/zope/

If there is any problem with setting up a server, we will host the 
development server here at Chalmers, we have all the required tools. ZEO 
servers, latest zope, etc....

regards /JM

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Dec 14 13:54:07 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue Dec 14 13:54:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Offers: Zope training during Spring 2005
Message-ID: <41BEE26F.4040907@ita.chalmers.se>

[This is a general call for offers to interested parties. Apologies for 
the cross-post]

Greetings,

my organisation needs to hold one or more sessions of Zope training to 
meet current and future development and deployment needs. We use Zope as 
one of several (Web-)Application frameworks, and we typically need to 
interface and cooperate with external data sources (for example, User 
Management with Kerberos and other external User Sources providing user 
data - meaning we cannot base our UserFolders' data on Zope alone).

We will have a group of 8-12 people, most - if not all - experienced 
developers who will need to learn how to develop Applications on Zope, 
CMF, Plone and CPS. Participants can be assumed to know how to develop 
in Python (we will make sure of that).

We also want to focus on efficient ways to make Zope talk to Oracle, 
LDAP and MySQL (in that order) in an efficient and speedy manner, and 
how to develop high-speed, clusterable (ZEO) solutions with Zope-based 
technology.

At the end of the course(s) we expect the participants to be able to 
have a thorough understanding of what kind of frameworks Zope, CMF, 
Plone and CPS are, what their differences and their similarities are.

We also expect participants to know how to customise, adapt and develop 
applications based on Zope, CMF, CPS and Plone, how to develop add-ons 
to the above and how to develop Products that work with all of CMF, CPS 
and Plone.

To clarify, we also expect participants to be tought development 
techniques with File System based tools - not only on the Product level 
but on a solution level (i.e. all customisations, etc, of a site should 
be script/FS based as well).

The course(s) are scheduled to be held in March-April and possibly May, 
at Chalmers University of technology, G?teborg, Sweden.

We are not exclusively looking for a single party to provide courses for 
all of Zope, CMF, CPS and Plone; for example, you are welcome to offer 
training that only covers Plone or CPS.

While many of our participants can read and write english very well, 
they may be untrained in communicating verbally in English. It is 
therefore a plus if trainers are fluent in Swedish - it is an absolute 
requirement that trainers have good English communicative skills.

Please send your initial proposals per mail to the following address:

zope-training@ita.chalmers.se

Please specify the following:

- Acceptable number of particiants
- What parts you are interested in
- A draft description of the training contents
- As estimate of the amount of work required from participants
- Your estiamte on how many sessions are needed
- Preliminary budget

If you have any questions regarding this offer, please contact me 
directly at dario@ita.chalmers.se.

Sincerely,

Dario Lopez-K?sten
IT Systems & Services
Chalmers University of Technology
G?teborg, Sweden

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From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Dec 14 16:37:46 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue Dec 14 16:39:56 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41BF08CA.8080705@ita.chalmers.se>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> vincent wrote:
>
>> Thank you Jean-Marc Orliaguet for your explanations,
>>
>> then I make a model based on your samples and I hope
>> my proposition will interest all of EPC's peoples.
>>
>> Tell me what you think about this proposition at this address:
>> http://www.cstorm.be/bincgi/jobsfolder/mvm/europython
>>
>> Cordially,
>> Vincent.
>>
>>  
>>
>
> Hi!
>
> * Here is a preview (half of the work was done already):
>  http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/layout-2004-12-14.png
>
> * and a live demo with rotating banners (not tested with IE yet, so 
> view it with mozilla or firefox)
>  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/
>
> the themes are not finished yet (registration, search buttons missing, 
> photos, etc)
>
> * the back-office for creating / publishing content is viewable here:
>  http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/workspaces
>
> the rendering times on the development server are of ~ 13req / second 
> on the front page and 8-9 req/s on the others
>
> would you like to fill in the pages with illustrations, or photos ?
>
> regards /JM
>
>

And here is an example of how to set in "Gold / Silver sponsors" (left 
column / bottom) - these are local clickable images that reside in some 
sections of the site only.

http://europython-develop.zope.nl:8050/ep2005/sections/news/the_europython_confe

/JM
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Wed Dec 15 16:44:44 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Wed Dec 15 17:00:26 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <41BF08CA.8080705@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>	<41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
	<41BF08CA.8080705@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41C05BEC.3050609@ita.chalmers.se>


Hi!
the devel site has been moved to the new server (biostabil.amaze.nl), 
here is the new address:

http://europython-develop.zope.nl

regards /JM
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Dec 16 00:04:49 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu Dec 16 00:25:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [Plone-developers] autocomplete for plone /
	copyright question
In-Reply-To: <cb2fabed0412121154490cb49b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <cb2fabed0412121154490cb49b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41C0C311.5050306@ita.chalmers.se>

Benjamin Saller wrote:

>I did a simple prototype impl. This doesn't use the google code, but
>rather code under the Apache License. This impl is very simple but
>ObjectRealms would be happy to enhance it if its something people really
>want.
>
>
>http://svn.objectrealms.net/view/public/livesearch/trunk/LiveSearch/
>
>svn co
>https://svn.objectrealms.net/svn/public/livesearch/trunk/LiveSearch
>
>
>-Ben
>
>  
>

really nice feature! congratulations - I did free-style portlet 
adaptation for the development EP2005 site ( 
http://europython-develop.zope.nl/ )
If you type 'conference' 3 or 4 published documents will show up.

I couldn't get the key down function to work though in order to navigate 
with the keyboard - I must have missed something - how is it done?

regard s/JM

From bcsaller at objectrealms.net  Thu Dec 16 00:34:30 2004
From: bcsaller at objectrealms.net (Benjamin Saller)
Date: Thu Dec 16 00:34:57 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [Plone-developers] autocomplete for plone /
	copyright question
In-Reply-To: <41C0C311.5050306@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <cb2fabed0412121154490cb49b@mail.gmail.com>
	<41C0C311.5050306@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <1103153670.12499.22.camel@bcsaller>

heh, it works, you didn't bind a style to #LSHighlite. If you press down
right now and hit return you will get the right doc, there is just no
visual indication


On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 00:04 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> Benjamin Saller wrote:
> 
> >I did a simple prototype impl. This doesn't use the google code, but
> >rather code under the Apache License. This impl is very simple but
> >ObjectRealms would be happy to enhance it if its something people really
> >want.
> >
> >
> >http://svn.objectrealms.net/view/public/livesearch/trunk/LiveSearch/
> >
> >svn co
> >https://svn.objectrealms.net/svn/public/livesearch/trunk/LiveSearch
> >
> >
> >-Ben
> >
> >  
> >
> 
> really nice feature! congratulations - I did free-style portlet 
> adaptation for the development EP2005 site ( 
> http://europython-develop.zope.nl/ )
> If you type 'conference' 3 or 4 published documents will show up.
> 
> I couldn't get the key down function to work though in order to navigate 
> with the keyboard - I must have missed something - how is it done?
> 
> regard s/JM
> 
> 
> 
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From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Dec 16 00:29:18 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu Dec 16 00:50:11 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: [Plone-developers] autocomplete for plone /
	copyright question
In-Reply-To: <1103153670.12499.22.camel@bcsaller>
References: <cb2fabed0412121154490cb49b@mail.gmail.com>	
	<41C0C311.5050306@ita.chalmers.se>
	<1103153670.12499.22.camel@bcsaller>
Message-ID: <41C0C8CE.6080509@ita.chalmers.se>

Benjamin Saller wrote:

>heh, it works, you didn't bind a style to #LSHighlite. If you press down
>right now and hit return you will get the right doc, there is just no
>visual indication
>
>  
>

OK thanks ;-) it was more obvious than I thought -- I'll see how I can 
fix it. /JM



>On Thu, 2004-12-16 at 00:04 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>  
>
>>Benjamin Saller wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>I did a simple prototype impl. This doesn't use the google code, but
>>>rather code under the Apache License. This impl is very simple but
>>>ObjectRealms would be happy to enhance it if its something people really
>>>want.
>>>
>>>
>>>http://svn.objectrealms.net/view/public/livesearch/trunk/LiveSearch/
>>>
>>>svn co
>>>https://svn.objectrealms.net/svn/public/livesearch/trunk/LiveSearch
>>>
>>>
>>>-Ben
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>really nice feature! congratulations - I did free-style portlet 
>>adaptation for the development EP2005 site ( 
>>http://europython-develop.zope.nl/ )
>>If you type 'conference' 3 or 4 published documents will show up.
>>
>>I couldn't get the key down function to work though in order to navigate 
>>with the keyboard - I must have missed something - how is it done?
>>
>>regard s/JM
>>
>>
>>
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From lac at strakt.com  Fri Dec 17 13:25:19 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri Dec 17 13:25:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet <jmo@ita.chalmers.se> 
	of "Tue, 14 Dec 2004 01:17:35 +0100." <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se> 
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

The Europython mailing list seems absolutely convinced I am a spammer,
and won't post any message I write.

See if it will let me post a reply.

I would like to have an IRC Meeting Monday 20 December at 1700.
I know this is terribly short notice, but all my posts before I went away
this week got _eaten_.

Laura

From mwh at python.net  Fri Dec 17 14:31:53 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri Dec 17 14:31:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> (Laura
	Creighton's message of "Fri, 17 Dec 2004 13:25:19 +0100")
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1> <41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2m3by5m4om.fsf@starship.python.net>

Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:

> The Europython mailing list seems absolutely convinced I am a spammer,
> and won't post any message I write.
>
> See if it will let me post a reply.

I really think you just want to witter on for longer.

> I would like to have an IRC Meeting Monday 20 December at 1700.
> I know this is terribly short notice, but all my posts before I went away
> this week got _eaten_.

Hmm.  Only one seems to have been held for moderation...

(I'm looking into updating the ham/spam corpora for this list, but
it's going slowly).

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  This song is for anyone ... fuck it.  Shut up and listen.
                         -- Eminem, "The Way I Am"
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Dec 17 16:17:43 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri Dec 17 17:02:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] New Layouts
In-Reply-To: <200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <003401c4d591$f30a9df0$deccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41AB08C6.5040905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<001301c4e121$35c8d0e0$08ccd5d5@gfx1>
	<41BE311F.80702@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200412171225.iBHCPJ8q019758@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <41C2F897.9050409@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:

>The Europython mailing list seems absolutely convinced I am a spammer,
>and won't post any message I write.
>
>See if it will let me post a reply.
>
>I would like to have an IRC Meeting Monday 20 December at 1700.
>I know this is terribly short notice, but all my posts before I went away
>this week got _eaten_.
>
>Laura
>
>  
>
It is fine for me: Monday 20 Dec 17.00.

cheers /JM
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Dec 20 18:50:55 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon Dec 20 18:52:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20
Message-ID: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se>


... is available at starting from 17:20:
http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/europython-irc-2004-12-20.html

- the main changes to the layout are that the navigation bar will be 
replaced by a drop-down menu as in:
http://www.stunicholls.myby.co.uk/menus/dropdown.html for easier site 
access.

- the site structure with the actual section names (level1 level2) which 
will appear in the menus is being finalized.

 /JM
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Dec 28 15:47:29 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue Dec 28 15:17:49 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20
In-Reply-To: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

>
> ... is available at starting from 17:20:
> http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/europython-irc-2004-12-20.html
>
> - the main changes to the layout are that the navigation bar will be 
> replaced by a drop-down menu as in:
> http://www.stunicholls.myby.co.uk/menus/dropdown.html for easier site 
> access.
>
> - the site structure with the actual section names (level1 level2) 
> which will appear in the menus is being finalized.
>
> /JM


Hi!
The dropdown menus are implemented (it works apparently well with IE6 / 
Mozilla / Firefox / Konqueror / Opera ) with another CSS method than the 
one cited above which does not use tables  
(cf.http://www.alistapart.com/articles/dropdowns/ )

The top-level items 'EVENTS' and 'SPRINTS' have sub-items which can be 
clicked on.
=> http://europython-develop.zope.nl/

PS: This is not the actual navigation structure.

/JM



From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Dec 30 14:04:45 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu Dec 30 14:04:48 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20
In-Reply-To: <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se> <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> => http://europython-develop.zope.nl/

This actually looks really good, especially the dropdowns (in Moz 1.7 
anyway ;-)

However, why are we wasting so much fo the front page with that big, 
pointless picture?

People want to read the stuff in the 3 columns below that, why make them 
scroll down to do so?!

cheers,

Chris - a picture paints a thousand words except when it just wastes a 
thousand pixels...

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
From andy at reportlab.com  Thu Dec 30 17:26:45 2004
From: andy at reportlab.com (andy@reportlab.com)
Date: Thu Dec 30 17:26:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] UK Python Conference - 20-23 April 2005 - Last Call
	for talks
Message-ID: <andyrobinson-0xcSvAkl+jes8HM/aXbDKV/sw+YlvIs@mailblocks.com>

The UK Python Conference for 2005 will take place at
the Randolph Hotel, Oxford on 20-23 April 2005.

This is the FINAL CALL for talks.  The original deadline
of 26th December has been extended to 6 January, to help
all those folks who were concentrating on the PyCon deadline
of 30th December.  Recycled PyCon talks are acceptable.


About the event
===============
This will once again be held as a track within the ACCU
conference.  The conference site is here:
   http://www.accu.org/conference/

Python track information will be reachable from here once
talk selection is complete:
 http://www.accu.org/conference/highlights.html#python


The ACCU event is one of the foremost conferences for programmers,
attracting the inventors and/or leading proponents of C, C++,
Java, .NET and Python over the last few years.  Past Python speakers
have included Guido van Rossum, David Ascher, Alex Martelli, Armin Rigo,
Paul Everitt, Marc-Andre Lemburg and many others, and the
ACCU now treats Python as being fully on par with Java and C++.
The event is priced midway between commercial and community
events, at approx. ?100 per day, and is professionally managed.

It is located in a historic hotel in the centre of Oxford and is
ideal for anyone wanting to combine a holiday with a conference.

We aim to hold a Python 'masterclass' the day before, and are working
to arrange a PyPy sprint the week after.


Conference Format
=================
The Python conference will span THREE days, with ONE track.
The first slot each morning is taken by the cross-conference
keynote. This was the overwhelming preference of those we polled
last year. (There will NOT be a separate Open Source track this
year; the "rotating special subject" is Security. As a result,
Python-related security talks would be of interest)

You may propose 90 minute or 45 minute talks. The
ACCU's general preference is for a small number of high
quality, well prepared talks on subjects of broad interest
to programmers, and the Python track will follow this.
There will also be space for less formal lunchtime talks,
evening BOFs and other events.

Speakers' compensation is yet to be confirmed, but in the
past those doing 90 minutes (or 2x45 minute talks) will be
eligible for 4 days paid accomodation and admission to
the 4 day event; 45 minute speakers will gain 1 day's admission.
Where possible, we will attempt to allocate resources to ensure
that the best speakers are able to attend irrespective of
circumstances.


Submission Procedure
===================
Please send an email to pyuk2005_talks at reportlab.com
not later than 6th January (this is the FINAL deadline!),
with the following information:
  Your Name
  Short Biography
  Talk Title
  Talk Synopsis

This is a simple mailbox; the committee will review and
acknowledge submissions next week.
If the talk is selected, you will be given a chance to refine
the details through a web based system in January.


Committee
=========
A small committee has been formed to scrutinize talk proposals
including those whol volunteered last year. This includes
myself, Dr. Tim Couper and Dr. John Lee.  General discussion about
the event should be directed to the python-uk list
(python-uk at python.org)

ReportLab Europe Ltd. is managing parts of the event infrastructure
and will be providing some staff time to provide a guaranteed
point of contact.

Andy Robinson
CEO/Chief Architect
ReportLab Europe Ltd.
tel +44 20 8544 8049
From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Dec 30 21:37:49 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Thu Dec 30 21:44:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting log 2004-12-20
In-Reply-To: <41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <41C710FF.20303@ita.chalmers.se> <41D17201.6000805@ita.chalmers.se>
	<41D3FCED.9050205@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <41D4671D.5010406@ita.chalmers.se>

Chris Withers wrote:

> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
>> => http://europython-develop.zope.nl/
>
>
> This actually looks really good, especially the dropdowns (in Moz 1.7 
> anyway ;-)
>
> However, why are we wasting so much fo the front page with that big, 
> pointless picture?
>
> People want to read the stuff in the 3 columns below that, why make 
> them scroll down to do so?!
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris - a picture paints a thousand words except when it just wastes a 
> thousand pixels...
>
Yes indeed, the picture may well be replaced with text or news articles 
with vignettes ... to make the whole thing more dynamic - there should 
be something graphical at least to make the front page attractive. I'd 
like to get a newspaper-like front page layout with title + image + 
intro text + link in small blocks...

Cheers /JM