From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jan 12 12:17:47 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jan 12 12:17:52 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
Message-ID: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>

Hi folks,

I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are pegged for 
getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold a meeting to hash 
out a number of things.

I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET. The 
forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to the list 
if you don't know how to access this.

Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems 
making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested parties, 
we may have to reschedule.

Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please add items 
to this list.

- Fixing of hours for the conference
- Preliminary selection of room sizes
- Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference
- Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs
- Talks and papers - how to register
- Refereed paper track
- Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment 
etc
- Registration for lodging - procedure, payment
- Lunch - ambition, cost
- Coffee - ambition, costs
- Conference dinner - ambition, costs
- Responsible person for catering
- Information for participants - when and how much
- Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design
- Marketing - press releases, forums
- Corporate participation, sponsorship
- Local volunteers

- Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done
- Budget

It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on subjects they 
feel strongly about, or feel they have important input on. That way we will 
be more efficient while on line. I will try to send input on a number of 
subjects myself.

Cheers

Jacob Hall?n


From mwh at python.net  Mon Jan 12 12:36:15 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon Jan 12 12:36:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
In-Reply-To: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:47
	+0100")
References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2md69pvzlc.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob@strakt.com> writes:

> Hi folks,
>
> I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are pegged for 
> getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold a meeting to hash 
> out a number of things.

I concur.

> I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET. The 
> forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to the list 
> if you don't know how to access this.
>
> Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems 
> making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested parties, 
> we may have to reschedule.

It's fine (even good!) for me.  I'll be there.

> Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please add items 
> to this list.
>
> - Fixing of hours for the conference
> - Preliminary selection of room sizes
> - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference
> - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs
> - Talks and papers - how to register
> - Refereed paper track
> - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment 
> etc
> - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment
> - Lunch - ambition, cost
> - Coffee - ambition, costs
> - Conference dinner - ambition, costs
> - Responsible person for catering
> - Information for participants - when and how much
> - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design
> - Marketing - press releases, forums
> - Corporate participation, sponsorship
> - Local volunteers
>
> - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done
> - Budget

Acommodation?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Exam invigilation - it doesn't come much harder than that, esp if
  the book you're reading turns out to be worse than expected.
                                  -- Dirk Bruere, sci.physics.research

From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jan 12 13:35:58 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jan 12 13:36:02 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Travel information
Message-ID: <200401121935.58416.jacob@strakt.com>

Here is some information for the website. I hope somebody will structure it 
and put it in. (I'm good at providing information, but not very good at web 
stuff.)

Jacob
_________________________________________________________________
Some of the websites below are in Swedish only, while others are in English or 
have a link to an English version.

Regular travel
Most major European airlines have flights to G?teborg. Information about the 
major airport, Landvetter and which companies fly there can be found at: 
http://www.lfv.se/site/airports/landvetter/eng/index.asp

If you fly from outside Europe, you will have to change flights somewhere. 
Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Munich, London, Amsterdam, Stockholm and Paris are 
common places to change at.

By boat you can travel from Kiel (http://www.steanaline.se), Newcastle 
(http://www.dfdsseaways.co.uk/), Kristiansand (http://www.dfdsseaways.co.uk/) 
and Fredrikshavn (http://www.steanaline.se).

G?teborg is 3 hours from Stockholm and Copenhagen by High Speed Train, and 
approximately as much from Oslo, with a regular train. Summer prices on the 
High Speed Trains are usually decent, while they are quite expensive the rest 
of the year.

Budget travel
Virgin Express flies from Brussels
http://www.virginexpress.com/
Ryanair flies from Stanstead, Glasgow and Frankfurt Hahn to G?teborg S?ve
http://www.ryanair.com/
Malmo Aviation flies from Nice in summer
http://www.malmoaviation.se/
Sterling flies from Milan, Oslo, Nice, Madeira and southern Spain. Rome, Crete 
and Barcelona are accessible through Copenhagen or Oslo. 
http://www.sterlingticket.com/

There are a number of charter operators flying between Sweden, southern 
Europe, Northern Africa, Turkey, Israel and Thailand. Some of them have spare 
seats for sale. It may be worth checking with these companies. If you want 
help locating such companies, please contact the Europython team with 
information on where you want to travel from.

For most of these, the earlier you book, the better prices you will get.

Bus is the abolutely cheapest alternative from some destinations.
Svenska buss (domestic only) 
http://www.svenskabuss.se/
S?fflebuss (domestic, Olso, Copenhagen, Hamburg, Berlin) 
http://www.safflebussen.se/
Swebus Express (domestic, Norway, Denmark) 
http://www.swebusexpress.se/

Notes for travellers from Eastern Europe
There are no low budget flights directly between Eastern Europe and 
G?teborg.Options to look for are flights to Oslo, Copenhagen or Stockholm, 
from where you have a reasonably short bus journey. There are ferries to 
Sockholm from Finland and Estonia and between Poland/Germany and southern 
Sweden.


From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jan 12 18:13:25 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jan 12 18:06:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <008d01c3d961$f6e73af0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Sorry,

I'm afraid I won't make it. I've some troubles fixes a nasty bug and
till now it doesn't look that it will be solved. I'm in a hurry to fix
is, since the customer has a deadline.

I'll try to be their, but as said, I'm not sure I'll make it.

Tom.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are
> pegged for getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold
> a meeting to hash out a number of things.
>
> I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00
> CET. The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode.
> Mail to the list if you don't know how to access this.
>
> Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have
> problems making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the
> interested parties, we may have to reschedule.
>
> Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please
> add items to this list.
>
> - Fixing of hours for the conference
> - Preliminary selection of room sizes
> - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference
> - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs
> - Talks and papers - how to register
> - Refereed paper track
> - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure,
> payment etc
> - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment
> - Lunch - ambition, cost
> - Coffee - ambition, costs
> - Conference dinner - ambition, costs
> - Responsible person for catering
> - Information for participants - when and how much
> - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design
> - Marketing - press releases, forums
> - Corporate participation, sponsorship
> - Local volunteers
>
> - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done
> - Budget
>
> It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on
> subjects they feel strongly about, or feel they have important input
> on. That way we will be more efficient while on line. I will try to
> send input on a number of subjects myself.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jacob Hall?n
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jan 12 18:25:20 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jan 12 18:16:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <009501c3d963$5ac70d10$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

okay,

nothing fancy, but the information is online and that is the most
important.

Regards,
tom.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are
> pegged for getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold
> a meeting to hash out a number of things.
>
> I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00
> CET. The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode.
> Mail to the list if you don't know how to access this.
>
> Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have
> problems making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the
> interested parties, we may have to reschedule.
>
> Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please
> add items to this list.
>
> - Fixing of hours for the conference
> - Preliminary selection of room sizes
> - Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference
> - Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs
> - Talks and papers - how to register
> - Refereed paper track
> - Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure,
> payment etc
> - Registration for lodging - procedure, payment
> - Lunch - ambition, cost
> - Coffee - ambition, costs
> - Conference dinner - ambition, costs
> - Responsible person for catering
> - Information for participants - when and how much
> - Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design
> - Marketing - press releases, forums
> - Corporate participation, sponsorship
> - Local volunteers
>
> - Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done
> - Budget
>
> It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on
> subjects they feel strongly about, or feel they have important input
> on. That way we will be more efficient while on line. I will try to
> send input on a number of subjects myself.
>
> Cheers
>
> Jacob Hall?n
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jan 12 20:10:53 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jan 12 20:11:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Thoughts on exhibitors
Message-ID: <200401130210.53896.jacob@strakt.com>

At our venue, we will have plenty of space for exhibitors.

I would like to propose that we make space available on the following 
conditions:

1. You can have a small space for free. This includes a desk, a chair and 2 
meters of wall space. You get one electric outlet (same standard as in 
Germany, the Netherlands etc) and access to the wireless network.
You are not insured by the conference. At least one member of your 
organisation must be attending the conference, but you may staff your booth 
with non attendees.

2. You are required to keep your booth manned during certain hours. I'd like 
to have 6 hours when we try to have a proper trade show. Lunch break, 
afternoon session and an hour or so after the end of the conference day of 
one day is what I have in mind. You can have your booth up manned or unmanned 
the rest of the time - it is up to each company to decide.

3. You can rent your own seminar room at 50 Euro per hour for demonstrations, 
private seminars, job interviews etc. (Evening hours cost more. Ask for an 
offer.)

4. You can rent more space and equipment on the show floor. Prices are close 
to "at cost". Contact Europython for an offer.

5. You can become a sponsor of the conference. The following options are 
available:

Gold sponsor - 2000 Euro
This gives you:
- Your name/link on the website
- An ad in the conference program
- A streamer in each conference room
- A streamer in the entrance
- A 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes

Sponsor - 500 Euro
This gives you:
- Your name/link on the website
- An ad in the conference program
- A streamer in each conference room

Advertiser - 100 Euro
This gives you:
- Your name/link on the website
- An ad in the conference program

Organising sponsor - At least 5 man days of work effort
- Your name/link on the website
- An ad in the conference program
- A streamer in the entrance
- A seminar room for 2 hours
- Double exhibition space for free

Special sponsor - Negotiable
If you have an offer which is of mutual benefit, we are ready to hear it. 
Please contact the Europython organisers.

6. If you want to put on a special event, please contact the Europython 
organisers.

7. For planning purposes we need your decision to participate no later than 1 
May 2004. Any participants joining after this date will be invoiced an 
administrative fee of 100 Euro, if they can be accomodated.


From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jan 12 20:40:41 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jan 12 20:40:47 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed paper track
Message-ID: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com>

I would like to propose that we have a short refereed paper track with the 
following parameters:

1. 6-8 papers maximum accepted. You can give a regular talk (subject to 
regular track chair approval) even if your paper isn't accepted in the 
refereed track.

2. According to Laura, Alex Martelli and Armin Rigo are interested in being 
selection comittee. More volunteers would be welcome.

3. We currently don't have a track chair for a refereed paper track. 
Volunteers happily accepted.

4. If we exceed budget on the income side, we set aside a portion of the 
additional funds to sponsor travel for authors of selected papers. Funds are 
made available to the selection comittee for distribution to what they 
consider most interesting/worthy causes.
(We know this could attract some very interesting speakers who would otherwise 
be unable to come.)

5. Travel subsidies have to be applied for with the paper abstract.

6. Schedule for submission to be decided by the selection comittee.

7. Refereed papers should be focused on core Python, Python modules, Python 
extensions or scientific applications of Python.


From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jan 12 20:49:16 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jan 12 20:49:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speakers
Message-ID: <200401130249.16221.jacob@strakt.com>

I suggest that we should have 2 keynote speakers, like previous years.

A couple of issues need to be determined:

1. Do we want to invite Guido? My guess is that the answer is yes, I just want 
to check?

2. Who else do we invite? Suggestions, please.

Perks for keynote speakers:
- Economy travel
- Lodging up to 4 nights for one person
- Full conference admittance, including conference dinner, lunches etc
- Conference T-shirt, if we make some


From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Tue Jan 13 05:45:44 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Tue Jan 13 05:45:59 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed paper track
In-Reply-To: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040113104544.GB4507@logilab.fr>

On Tue, Jan 13, 2004 at 02:40:41AM +0100, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> 2. According to Laura, Alex Martelli and Armin Rigo are interested in being 
> selection comittee. More volunteers would be welcome.
> 
> 7. Refereed papers should be focused on core Python, Python modules, Python 
> extensions or scientific applications of Python.

I'm volunteering.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From lac at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 07:31:48 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue Jan 13 07:31:59 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?= <jacob@strakt.com> 
	of "Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:47 +0100."
	<200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> 
References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com> 
Message-ID: <200401131231.i0DCVmdY006475@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:17:47 +0100, Jacob Hall?n writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>I hope you have all have had a nice holiday season and that you are pegge
>d for 
>getting Europython on the way. I think it is time to hold a meeting to ha
>sh 
>out a number of things.
>
>I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET
>. The 
>forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to the l
>ist 
>if you don't know how to access this.
>
>Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems 
>making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested part
>ies, 
>we may have to reschedule.

I will be there.

>
>Below is a list of things I would like to put on the agenda. Please add i
>tems 
>to this list.
>
>- Fixing of hours for the conference
>- Preliminary selection of room sizes
>- Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference
>- Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs
>- Talks and papers - how to register
>- Refereed paper track
>- Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, pay
>ment 
>etc
>- Registration for lodging - procedure, payment
>- Lunch - ambition, cost
>- Coffee - ambition, costs
>- Conference dinner - ambition, costs
>- Responsible person for catering

   I volunteer for that one.  Wanted -- aside from a vegetarian option,
   do we have any other major food constraints?

>- Information for participants - when and how much
>- Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design
>- Marketing - press releases, forums
>- Corporate participation, sponsorship
>- Local volunteers

- Tutorials -- do we want any? anybody want to give any, anybody want
  some topics covered?

- Sprints

- Accomodations

>
>- Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done
>- Budget
>
>It is good if people put together comments before the meeting on subjects
> they 
>feel strongly about, or feel they have important input on. That way we wi
>ll 
>be more efficient while on line. I will try to send input on a number of 
>subjects myself.
>
>Cheers
>
>Jacob Hall?n
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From lac at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 07:45:39 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue Jan 13 07:45:48 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed paper track 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?= <jacob@strakt.com> 
	of "Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:40:41 +0100."
	<200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> 
References: <200401130240.41759.jacob@strakt.com> 
Message-ID: <200401131245.i0DCjeTU006528@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


I had some more thoughts about this.

In a message of Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:40:41 +0100, Jacob Hall?n writes:
>I would like to propose that we have a short refereed paper track with th
>e 
>following parameters:
>
>1. 6-8 papers maximum accepted. You can give a regular talk (subject to 
>regular track chair approval) even if your paper isn't accepted in the 
>refereed track.

If we get a ton of submissions could we change this?  This is shaping
up into a day when we would like to hold all sessions in one auditorium
-- the refereed paper track am, and lightning talks pm.  But do we have
a large enough space to do that?  I don't think so ...

>
>2. According to Laura, Alex Martelli and Armin Rigo are interested in bei
>ng 
>selection comittee. More volunteers would be welcome.
>
>3. We currently don't have a track chair for a refereed paper track. 
>Volunteers happily accepted.
>
>4. If we exceed budget on the income side, we set aside a portion of the 
>additional funds to sponsor travel for authors of selected papers. Funds 
>are 
>made available to the selection comittee for distribution to what they 
>consider most interesting/worthy causes.
>(We know this could attract some very interesting speakers who would othe
>rwise 
>be unable to come.)
>
>5. Travel subsidies have to be applied for with the paper abstract.
>
>6. Schedule for submission to be decided by the selection comittee.
>
>7. Refereed papers should be focused on core Python, Python modules, Python 
>extensions or scientific applications of Python.

This may be too restrictive.


8. Anna Ravenscroft and I discussed holding 'paper writing tutorials'
   on-line where people could improve their paper writing skills, and
   people could get their English proof-read.
   All we would need is an irc-channel, and that shouldn't be hard.  It
   would disqualify us from being a reviewer, though.

9. In any case, and even if you aren't submitting a refereed paper, your
   paper goes better if you write it with some peers.  I think that this
   is a fine way to bring people together, as well.  So perhaps we should
   organise a 'peer-finding' service so that people who desire to work 
   this way can.

10. How long do we want these papers?

11. Do they need to be original for EP, or can papers previously submitted
    to other conferences apply?


Laura

From lac at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 07:52:14 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue Jan 13 07:52:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speakers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?= <jacob@strakt.com> 
	of "Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:49:16 +0100."
	<200401130249.16221.jacob@strakt.com> 
References: <200401130249.16221.jacob@strakt.com> 
Message-ID: <200401131252.i0DCqEg5006557@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Tue, 13 Jan 2004 02:49:16 +0100, Jacob Hall?n writes:
>I suggest that we should have 2 keynote speakers, like previous years.
>
>A couple of issues need to be determined:
>
>1. Do we want to invite Guido? My guess is that the answer is yes, I just
> want 
>to check?

It is not clear that he can make this; he says travelling with Orljin is
difficult.  On the other hand, Gbg does indeed have nice things to do
for non-techies.  He asked me to impress him.

This leads to -- do we want a 'family option'?  It might be nice to
organise things for people who bring their families here.  Just outlining
the non-conference attractions would be a good idea.

>
>2. Who else do we invite? Suggestions, please.

I'd like to invite Patrick Ball, the coder who caught Milosevic using
Python.  see: http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,51106,00.html

Right now I am not sure how you find Patrick Ball.

Tim Peters is another option.

>
>Perks for keynote speakers:
>- Economy travel
>- Lodging up to 4 nights for one person
>- Full conference admittance, including conference dinner, lunches etc
>- Conference T-shirt, if we make some
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 08:09:27 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jan 13 08:09:33 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting confirmed
Message-ID: <200401131409.27330.jacob@strakt.com>

Ok, we have enough positive replies that the IRC meeting will be held as 
announced, Thursday 15 January 2004, at 18.00 CET.

Forum: freenode channel: #europython

I will post an agenda before 16.00 CET on the day of the meeting.

Jacob Hall?n


From steve at z3u.com  Tue Jan 13 14:01:42 2004
From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Tue Jan 13 14:01:48 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
In-Reply-To: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040113190141.GM23710@fridge.pov.lt>

> I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at 18.00 CET.
> The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode. Mail to
> the list if you don't know how to access this.
> 
> Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems 
> making it.

I'll be there.

--
Steve Alexander

From magnus at thinkware.se  Tue Jan 13 15:34:14 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Tue Jan 13 15:34:20 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBLZXlub3RlIHNwZWFrZXJz?=
Message-ID: <think001_4004524740a29@webmail.thinkware.se>

> 2. Who else do we invite? Suggestions, please.

Mitch Kapor ?

Mark Shuttleworth ?

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com  Tue Jan 13 17:03:05 2004
From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Tue Jan 13 17:03:11 2004
Subject: Fwd: Re: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
Message-ID: <20040113220305.51067.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Steve Alexander <steve@z3u.com> wrote:
> Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2004 21:01:42 +0200
> From: Steve Alexander <steve@z3u.com>
> To: Jacob Hall?n <jacob@strakt.com>
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
> CC: europython@python.org
> 
> > I propose that we hold this meeting on Thursday (15 January) at
> 18.00 CET.
> > The forum is as before the #europython IRC channel on freenode.
> Mail to
> > the list if you don't know how to access this.
> > 
> > Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have
> problems 
> > making it.
> 
> I'll be there.

I expect to be there. 

Anna


From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 17:05:06 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jan 13 17:05:20 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Some transit information for
	=?iso-8859-1?q?G=F6teborg?=
Message-ID: <200401132305.06703.jacob@strakt.com>

Again, some information for the website

Glossary:
gata (definate article gatan) = street
v?g (v?gen) = road
Korsv?gen = Crossroads, name of a place where lots of traffic comes together
plats (platsen) - place, open area
torg (torget) - square

Arriving at S?ve - RyanAir
This is a small airport located in the middle of nowhere, about 30 minutes 
from the city centre. There is a transit bus that leaves the airport just 
after all the passengers have gotten their luggage. One way fare is SEK 40, 
which you need to have in Swedish money. I don't think there is an ATM at 
this airport, but there is an exchange machine that takes Euro and ?, giving 
SEK (probably at a lousy rate). If you miss the bus and are on a small 
budget, you can walk 400m down to the throughfare and take a public bus 
there. It runs every 30 minutes in daytime, and it only costs SEK 20 to get 
you to town.

Arriving at Landvetter Airport - All other airlines
Landvetter is situated about 20 minutes inland from G?teborg and it is a fair 
sized airport. It has ATMs and a Forex exchange office. Buses to G?teborg run 
every 15 minutes or every 30 minutes, depending on time and day. Bus fare is 
SEK 60, one way. You are most likely to want to get off at Korsv?gen, which 
is the first stop, or Nils Ericssonterminalen, which is the last one. More 
about that in the part about public transit.

Arriving at the Stena ferry terminal
There are 2 terminals, one for ferries from Kiel and one for ferries from 
Fredrikshavn in Denmark. To get to a tramline, you walk about 3 blocks 
inland, perpendicular to the docks. Take the first tram that goes in an 
up-river direction. They all go to the centre of town.

Public transit
All public transit runs on a single coupon system. You buy coupon cards for 
SEK 100 each at Pressbyr?n, Tidpunkten and other marked outlets. When you 
travel on the coupon cards, you put in the card in the machine on the vehicle 
and press the correct number of tickets. Unless travelling to far out 
suburbs, you will always stamp 2 coupons. This is valid for 1.5 hours of 
unlimited travel. When boarding a new vehicle within this period of time, you 
put in your card and press the white button marked "BYTE" (no, it is not an 
octet, it means change in Swedish). If your card runs out, you pay what is 
left in cash to the driver (or start a new card, if you have one). You can 
pay a full ticket in cash, but that costs SEK 20, as opposed to SEK 13.30 with 
the coupon card.
Owl service (after midnight) charges double rates.
Information on the local transit system, including bus and tram maps, can be 
found at 
http://www.vasttrafik.se/eng/

Getting to the tourist apartments at Utlandagatan
Take the 51 or 52 bus to Utlandagatan.  Walk along Utlandagatan until you 
have a large complex of red brick buildings on your left. The rooms are 
somwhere in this warren.

Getting to the conference venue
If you are staying at the tourist apartments at Utlandagatan, the best way is 
to walk. This takes about 20 minutes If you are staying further away, you 
take trams 6, 7, 8, 10, 13 or 14, or bus 58 to the stop "Chalmers". This is 
the main entrance of Chalmers. Walk through the entrance portal and continue 
150 meters straight ahead until you are at the conference venue

You will find a map of Chalmers at http://www.chalmers.se/HyperText/Maps.html.
The entrance to the conference venue is at the red arrow just below the word 
"Architecture".

More information in English about Chalmers can be found at 
http://www.chalmers.se/HyperText/KortInfo-E.html.

For tourist information in Swedish, English, French and German, please visit 
http://www.goteborg.com/.



From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 20:08:28 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jan 13 20:08:32 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Very rough budget
Message-ID: <200401140208.28026.jacob@strakt.com>

With the attached budget, which is based on a number of assumptions that may 
not hold perfectly true, since we will be making decisions about them on 
Thursday and at meetings after that, I would propose the following price 
structure:

Track chairs and people manning vital functions (front desk, tech support, 
general organisation)
Free

Keynote speakers
Free

Speakers
50 Euro(partial food cost)

Students, Early bird (cutoff 1 May?)
100 Euro

Early birds (cutoff 1 May?)
150 Euro

Students, preregistration (cutoff 3 June?)
150 Euro

Preregistration (cutoff 3 June?)
200 Euro

Students, at the door
200 Euro

At the door
250 Euro

The calculations are based on 200 paying attendees. I have no figures for 
distribution between the different categories, but I am assuming that on 
average we will get just a little more than what a regular early bird pays. 
This is probably overly pessimistic, but it gives some room for error in the 
calculations. If we get fewer participants, we can do some savings by 
reducing room sizes and by reducing catering ambitions a bit. If we get more 
participants, some money should go to subsidising interesting speakers and 
some money should be saved for next year.

On the scale of things, I have reduced all fees above student early bird by 50 
Euro, and added a student regular fee. I considered reducing the student 
fees, but I think that introduces a bit of risk in my calculations.


But again, these figures depend on decisions we make.
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From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jan 13 20:47:19 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jan 13 20:47:23 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Accomodation prices
Message-ID: <200401140247.19083.jacob@strakt.com>

I now have more specific information about the cost of accomodation at SGS 
Veckobost?der.

In essence, their pricing depends on how long you stay. Since we will be 
receiving booking and payment for this lodging, such a scheme will be too 
complex to handle.

I suggest that we require people to pay for a minimum of 3 nights and that we 
have a fixed price per night for 3-6 nights and a lower price for 7 nights 
and more (people staying for sprints or holidays)

Before group discounts have been negotiated, we would have the following 
pricing:

Bed in two bed room
3-6 nights SEK 242/night (26.50 Euro)
7+ nights SEK 172/night (19 Euro)

Bed in 4 bed room
3-6 nights SEK 141/night (15.50 Euro)
7+ nights SEK 104/night (11.50 Euro)

The prices assume that people stay in the same rooms and that we fill the 
rooms. My guess is that we can fill the cost of any gaps with the discounts 
negotiated.

We need to have a pretty good idea of our bookings one month before the 
conference and have all the bookings fixed 2 weeks in advance.

The one single room we have is almost twice as expensive as half a double.

We need to come up with a suitable scheme for how to accept reservations.
Some constraints:
- We want to prioritize sprinters, who will be staying for a longer period.
- We want to prioritize people on a shoestring budget.
- We want to accomodate people who want to share rooms as much as possible.
- It should be possible for a couple to reserve a whole 2 bed room and a 
family to reserve a whole 4 bed room (or for any constellation to reserve a 
whole room for that matter)

The standard of the rooms is as follows:
- Basic hotel standard furniture
- Bathroom in each room
- Bed linen and towels included - you make your own bed
- Access to kitchen where you can have breakfast and cook meals
- I think there is a small TV in each room, but who cares

Cheers

Jacob


From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed Jan 14 16:53:49 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed Jan 14 16:53:53 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBTb21lIHRyYW5zaXQgaW5mb3JtYXRpb24gZm9yIEf2dGVib3Jn?=
Message-ID: <think001_4005953ccac52@webmail.thinkware.se>

Fr?n: Jacob Hall?n <jacob@strakt.com>
> One way fare is SEK 40, 
> which you need to have in Swedish money. 

It might be worth pointing out that Sweden isn't in Euroland,
and that you need cash on all buses, but can always pay with 
credit cards in taxis. (I guess buses and vendor machines are
among the few places where you need cash...)

> Arriving at the Stena ferry terminal
> There are 2 terminals, one for ferries from Kiel and one for ferries from 
> Fredrikshavn in Denmark. To get to a tramline, you walk about 3 blocks 
> inland, perpendicular to the docks. Take the first tram that goes in an 
> up-river direction. They all go to the centre of town.

That means towards your left if you have the river behind you. I.e. cross 
the tracks before entering a tram. (Or you'll end up at Saltholmen, see
below.)
 
> Public transit
> All public transit runs on a single coupon system. You buy coupon cards for 
> SEK 100 each at Pressbyr?n, Tidpunkten and other marked outlets. When you 
> travel on the coupon cards, you put in the card in the machine on the vehicle 
> and press the correct number of tickets. Unless travelling to far out 
> suburbs, you will always stamp 2 coupons. 

Note that this (SEK 13.30 i.e. roughly Eur 1.5) is even valid on the local 
ferries. There are some ferries that just cross the river, and others that 
go from the bus/tram stop at Saltholmen to the southern archipelago. See 
(sorry for the long URL, I actually trimmed it down a bit...)
http://kartor.eniro.se/query?what=map&mop=p2&streetname=saltholmen&mapstate=4%3B1263531%3B6399615%3B0%3B1254922%3B6409030%3B1272182%3B6390220%3B&mapcomp=%3B%3B%3BSaltholmen%3B%3B%3B%3BG%F6teborg+kommun%3B%3B%3B%3B%3B1263531.0%3B6399615.0%3B0%3B0



-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From bea at webwitches.com  Thu Jan 15 02:13:32 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Thu Jan 15 02:13:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] IRC meeting
In-Reply-To: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200401121817.47054.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1074150811.25202.2.camel@ogg>

On Mon, 2004-01-12 at 18:17, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

[...]
> Please mail to the list if you plan to be there, or if you have problems 
> making it. If this time is impossible for too many of the interested parties, 
> we may have to reschedule.
[...]

I'll be there too.

-- 
Beatrice Fontaine <bea@webwitches.com>


From jacob at strakt.com  Thu Jan 15 09:57:39 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu Jan 15 09:57:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for IRC meeting
Message-ID: <200401151557.39717.jacob@strakt.com>

I'd like to run the IRC meeting in a way that is as time efficient as 
possible. For this purpose I would like to impose the following on the 
meetings that we have:
1. Fixed length.  For this meeting, I think it should stop at 19.30.
2. Agenda order
a. Introductions - briefly say who you are and what your interest/role in 
Europython is
b. Uncontroversial items that need formal deciding, or information needs to 
get spread.
c. Important items that need urgent discussions/decisions
d. Other items
3. Somebody writes a summary of what gets decided
4. We do not bring up any issues that are not on the agenda, unless they are 
urgent or we have time left over in the meeting
5. We follow the order of the agenda

For this meeting, I would like to reserve a 15 minute time slot at the end for 
discussions on the budget and what we should charge in participation fees, 
even though this falls in category b or c.

In the case that somebody wants to discuss an item that I have filed under 
category b, you just say so when the item comes up. In this case, we leave 
the item and come back to it later during the meeting, or postpone it until a 
later meeting.

AGENDA
A. Introductions (10 minutes)

B. Information/Decision items (10 minutes)
- Fixing of hours for the conference
- Preliminary selection of room sizes
- Local volunteers
- Responsible person for catering
- Perks for people giving talks/arranging conference
- Corporate participation, sponsorship

C. Urgent discussion items
- Website - responsibilites, division of labour, technology, design
- Reconfirmation of tracks and track chairs
- Talks and papers - how to register
- Refereed paper track
- Keynote speakers
- Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment 
etc
- Information for participants - when and how much
- Accomodation
- Registration for lodging - procedure, payment

D Other items (we reserve a minimum of 10 minutes)
- Marketing - press releases, forums
- Lunch - ambition, cost
- Coffee - ambition, costs
- Conference dinner - ambition, costs
- Tutorials
- Sprints

E. Urgent itmes, left until last (15 minutes)
- Budget
- Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done




From jacob at strakt.com  Thu Jan 15 14:29:07 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu Jan 15 14:29:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next meeting
Message-ID: <200401152029.07954.jacob@strakt.com>

We had a successful meeting today, though we only managed to do part of the 
agenda.

Next general meeting is set to Tuesday 20 January at 18.00 CET.

There is a web subcommittee meeting Friday 16 January at 17.00 on the 
#europython channel.

You can read more about times, who is doing things and a log of thw whole 
meeting at http://z3u.com/ep2004/. I'll soon be back with minutes of the 
decisions.

Jacob


From steve at z3u.com  Thu Jan 15 21:42:43 2004
From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Thu Jan 15 21:42:51 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers
Message-ID: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt>

Hi folks,

I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at
EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available.

I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote
speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark?
If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather
than later.

--
Steve Alexander


From lac at strakt.com  Thu Jan 15 21:57:36 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu Jan 15 21:57:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers 
In-Reply-To: Message from Steve Alexander <steve@z3u.com> of "Fri,
	16 Jan 2004 04:42:43 +0200." <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> 
References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> 
Message-ID: <200401160257.i0G2vaTT015217@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:42:43 +0200, Steve Alexander writes:
>Hi folks,
>
>I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at
>EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available.
>
>I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote
>speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark?
>If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather
>than later.
>
>--
>Steve Alexander
>

+1 on inviting Mark Shuttleworth.  Find out if he wants to attend a
Sprint as well as the con...

Laura

From mwh at python.net  Fri Jan 16 04:53:03 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri Jan 16 04:53:07 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers
In-Reply-To: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt> (Steve Alexander's
	message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2004 04:42:43 +0200")
References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt>
Message-ID: <2moet4rzi8.fsf@starship.python.net>

Steve Alexander <steve@z3u.com> writes:

> Hi folks,
>
> I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at
> EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available.
>
> I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote
> speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark?

Yes!

> If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather
> than later.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I have *both* hands clapping, but I'm still not sure it's a sound.
  When I tried deciding if it were a sound while clapping only one
  hand, I fell off my chair.
                         -- Peter Hansen, Zen master, comp.lang.python

From jacob at strakt.com  Fri Jan 16 10:01:39 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri Jan 16 10:01:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers
In-Reply-To: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt>
References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt>
Message-ID: <200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com>

On fredag 16 januari 2004 03.42, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I spoke to Tim Peters earlier today about being a keynote speaker at
> EuroPython this year. Unfortunately for us, he isn't available.
>
> I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote
> speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark?
> If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather
> than later.

I'm enthusiastic about getting Mark Shuttleworth. I'd personally like to hear 
what he has to say, and I hope he would attract other people to the 
conference. It could also help us get press coverage.

Jacob


From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com  Fri Jan 16 13:08:14 2004
From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Fri Jan 16 13:08:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested!
Message-ID: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>

The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting.
You can see the minutes of the meeting here: 
http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog

We are looking at some changes for the new site, but first, we'd like
your feedback on last year's site - contents, design, forms, etc. Think
about last year's site and come visit our wiki page and let us know how
you feel. Answer any or all of the following or any thing else you
think we need to know:
What worked? 
What didn't?
What was particularly helpful?
What was especially frustrating?
How easy was it to use?
How easy was it for you to update?
What kinds of questions or feedback have you heard from others?

YOU are the folks who've had to answer questions on the site and the
forms, who had to use it, who had update it. So, we need YOU to help us
make this year's site even better.Come talk to us at:
http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback

Feedback received by Sunday, 25 January, will have the most impact on
the new design. 

Thank you for your help!

From jacob at strakt.com  Fri Jan 16 13:20:53 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri Jan 16 13:20:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] About previous minutes and next agenda
Message-ID: <200401161920.53259.jacob@strakt.com>

I have put up minutes of the decisions on the wiki.

Below is a preliminary agenda with the items we didn't get through last time. 
Please post agenda items that you want to add.

AGENDA
A. Introductions (5 minutes)

B. Information/Decision items (10 minutes)

C. Urgent discussion items
- Refereed paper track
- Keynote speakers
- Participant registration - early bird, cutoff, on site - procedure, payment 
etc
- Accomodation
- Registration for lodging - procedure, payment
- Information for participants - when and how much
- Budget
- Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done

D Other items (we reserve a minimum of 10 minutes)
- Marketing - press releases, forums
- Lunch - ambition, cost
- Coffee - ambition, costs
- Conference dinner - ambition, costs
- Tutorials
- Sprints


From tom at aragne.com  Sat Jan 17 08:35:21 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat Jan 17 08:35:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
Message-ID: <008801c3dd00$219e8040$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

added some info to the current epc site:
http://www.europython.org/information/travel
http://www.europython.org/information/transit
http://www.europython.org/information/generalInfo



From lac at strakt.com  Sat Jan 17 09:14:33 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat Jan 17 09:14:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] do the web-group have their own mailing list?
Message-ID: <200401171414.i0HEEXPX019169@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


I want to report that on http://www.europython.org/information/transit
the bus fair from Landvetter to the city centre has now gone up to
70 SEK, not 60 as written.

Laura

From tom at aragne.com  Sat Jan 17 10:19:36 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sat Jan 17 10:10:15 2004
Subject: [Tom] [EuroPython] do the web-group have their own mailing list?
References: <200401171414.i0HEEXPX019169@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <012c01c3dd0d$575a60c0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

updated.


Laura Creighton wrote:
> I want to report that on http://www.europython.org/information/transit
> the bus fair from Landvetter to the city centre has now gone up to
> 70 SEK, not 60 as written.
>
> Laura
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From mwh at python.net  Sat Jan 17 10:45:09 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sat Jan 17 10:45:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested!
In-Reply-To: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com> (Anna
	Ravenscroft's message of "Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:08:14 -0800 (PST)")
References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2m8yk6shoa.fsf@starship.python.net>

Anna Ravenscroft <rev_anna_r@yahoo.com> writes:

> The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting.
> You can see the minutes of the meeting here: 
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog
>
> We are looking at some changes for the new site, but first, we'd like
> your feedback on last year's site - contents, design, forms, etc. Think
> about last year's site and come visit our wiki page and let us know how
> you feel. Answer any or all of the following or any thing else you
> think we need to know:
> What worked? 

Most stuff, didn't do all that much with it, though.

> What didn't?

The specific annoyance I had with last years site was the issue of
what formatting was allowed in the speaker and talk description
fields.  If it's feasible, I'd like to use ReST here.

> What was particularly helpful?

The talk matrix was funky.  Are reportlab willing to do the programme
generation stuff again?  Someone on the webwerkers (sic) group should
probably liase with them...

> What was especially frustrating?

The feeling that I wasn't quite sure how everything worked?

> How easy was it to use?

Twas OK.

> How easy was it for you to update?

Again, fine.  It's been a while though.  I seem to remember that It
Would Be Nice (tm) of one could get a more informative sumamry
overview of all the talks on your track -- I have memories of having
about 13 browser windows open and flicking back and forth between
them.  Unfortunately, I'm unlikely to be able to remember what
information I want on this overview until I have to do it again :-(
But if you think like a track chair and remember what it is track
chairs spend time doing -- trying to slot talks together, not have
people give two talks one after the other, keep similar talks
together, etc -- you can probably get close.



> YOU are the folks who've had to answer questions on the site and the
> forms, who had to use it, who had update it. So, we need YOU to help us
> make this year's site even better.Come talk to us at:
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback

Oh... do you want me to post this email to that page?

A final peanut gallery comment is that it would be nice if the site
looked different enough from previous year to be obviously a different
site.  Nothing drastic needed here, though.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Those who have deviant punctuation desires should take care of their
  own perverted needs.                  -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From denis at aragne.com  Sun Jan 18 00:35:45 2004
From: denis at aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Sun Jan 18 00:35:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today.
In-Reply-To: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net>

Le Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:08:54AM +0100, Laura Creighton pianota:
> 
> I'd be happy to see Africans at EuroPython.

Don't put too much expectation there in. You will receive a bunch of
mails like this one, but generally, those registrations are *very*
unsure. The same from Nigeria, Rwanda or China, Tibet, etc.

They just try to get a visa to leave their country. 

Season's greatings,

Denis
-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com

From denis at aragne.com  Sun Jan 18 02:30:36 2004
From: denis at aragne.com (Denis)
Date: Sun Jan 18 02:30:38 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Vote results
In-Reply-To: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20030903112930.GH5120@carolo.net>

Le Mon, Sep 01, 2003 at 05:30:48PM +0200, Jacob Hall?n pianota:
> I would like to thank you for the confidence you have shown in us and
> our ability to take the work of Denis, Tom and all the other people
> around Charleroi and build and even better Europython conference.
> We will do our very best to live up to and exceed your expectations.

We expect nothing less from you. :-)

The 'local Charleroi Team' wishes you all the best for the organization.
We feel like having a baby child who has grown up and leaves the family:
at the same time, a little bit sad, but also happy and proud that he
goes by his own. We are very confident in the future since we trust you
in doing a excellent job.

Greatings from Charleroi.

Denis

P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speaker
for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ?

-- 
Denis FRERE
P3B    : Club Python(-Zope) Belge --------- http://www.p3b.org
OS3B   : Club Open-Software(-Linux) Carolo  http://www.os3b.org 
Aragne : Python-Zope Solutions & Formations http://www.aragne.com

From etienne at cs.vu.nl  Sun Jan 18 03:12:21 2004
From: etienne at cs.vu.nl (Etienne Posthumus)
Date: Sun Jan 18 03:12:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today.
In-Reply-To: <20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net>
References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0401180909260.21476@flits.cs.vu.nl>

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Denis wrote:

> Le Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:08:54AM +0100, Laura Creighton pianota:
> >
> > I'd be happy to see Africans at EuroPython.
>
> Don't put too much expectation there in. You will receive a bunch of
> mails like this one, but generally, those registrations are *very*
> unsure. The same from Nigeria, Rwanda or China, Tibet, etc.
>
> They just try to get a visa to leave their country.

Sheesh, that is a bit of a blanket statement. There has been at least one
African (me) at two of the past Eurpythons (2003 & 2003) and he a had
really good time, learnt lots and made a lof of new contacts.

Please don't paint with too large a brush.

Etienne Posthumus
Programmer, IIDS - Intelligent Interactive Distributed Systems
http://www.iids.org/
Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
----------------------------

From etienne at cs.vu.nl  Sun Jan 18 03:13:53 2004
From: etienne at cs.vu.nl (Etienne Posthumus)
Date: Sun Jan 18 03:13:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today.
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0401180909260.21476@flits.cs.vu.nl>
References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0401180909260.21476@flits.cs.vu.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0401180913000.21476@flits.cs.vu.nl>

On Sun, 18 Jan 2004, Etienne Posthumus wrote:
> African (me) at two of the past Eurpythons (2003 & 2003) and he a had

(Oops, typo, should have been 2002 & 2003. I still need to wake up and
have some coffee)

From lac at strakt.com  Sun Jan 18 06:38:02 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sun Jan 18 06:38:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Got this in my mail today. 
In-Reply-To: Message from Etienne Posthumus <etienne@cs.vu.nl> of "Sun,
	18 Jan 2004 09:12:21 +0100."
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0401180909260.21476@flits.cs.vu.nl> 
References: <200312200908.hBK98sKp011684@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<20031221073538.GH4557@carolo.net>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0401180909260.21476@flits.cs.vu.nl> 
Message-ID: <200401181138.i0IBc2ef021465@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Sun, 18 Jan 2004 09:12:21 +0100, Etienne Posthumus writes:
>On Sun, 21 Dec 2003, Denis wrote:
>
>> Le Sat, Dec 20, 2003 at 10:08:54AM +0100, Laura Creighton pianota:
>> >
>> > I'd be happy to see Africans at EuroPython.
>>
>> Don't put too much expectation there in. You will receive a bunch of
>> mails like this one, but generally, those registrations are *very*
>> unsure. The same from Nigeria, Rwanda or China, Tibet, etc.
>>
>> They just try to get a visa to leave their country.
>
>Sheesh, that is a bit of a blanket statement. There has been at least one
>African (me) at two of the past Eurpythons (2003 & 2003) and he a had
>really good time, learnt lots and made a lof of new contacts.
>
>Please don't paint with too large a brush.
>
>Etienne Posthumus
>Programmer, IIDS - Intelligent Interactive Distributed Systems
>http://www.iids.org/
>Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam
>----------------------------

There was a very pleasant man running a small Zope company from
Tunisia there last year as well as a Nigerian (I think) now working in
Saudi Arabia, and of course if things go well, we will have Mark
Shuttleworth here to give the keynote ....

I'd like to make EuroPython _the_ international Python conference,
a project which is a lot easier now that the USA has made travel
so onerous.  Be warned now -- some Bulgarian friends of mine, living
in Canada (he is getting his Masters in csc at a university there)
have now discovered that they need US visas to board a plane that
lands in the USA to take on more passengers even though their final
destination is in Europe and noone is allowed to disembark.


On the other hand, that particular note, all in screaming upper case
smells like a scam to me.  (Which is why I made the joke about lower
case) Fortunately, I have a way to test this.  I sent a nice note back
saying 'can you please tell me how you use Python?'.  The originator
of that note never replied to that mail ...

Laura

From tom at aragne.com  Sun Jan 18 10:36:25 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Sun Jan 18 10:28:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested!
References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<2m8yk6shoa.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <005201c3ddd9$16306d20$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

> The talk matrix was funky.  Are reportlab willing to do the programme
> generation stuff again?  Someone on the webwerkers (sic) group should
> probably liase with them...

hehe, thanks, although reportlab had nothing to do with the talk matrix
on the website... :-)
(Reportlab was responsible for everything on pdf-related and I'm sure -I
hope- they are still willing to do this)

I created the website talk-matrix after Guido told that the presentation
of talks could be better ;-)

T.


From mwh at python.net  Sun Jan 18 11:36:54 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sun Jan 18 11:37:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested!
In-Reply-To: <005201c3ddd9$16306d20$897ba8c0@skullsplitter> (Tom Deprez's
	message of "Sun, 18 Jan 2004 16:36:25 +0100")
References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<2m8yk6shoa.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<005201c3ddd9$16306d20$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <2mhdytqkm1.fsf@starship.python.net>

"Tom Deprez" <tom@aragne.com> writes:

>> The talk matrix was funky.  Are reportlab willing to do the programme
>> generation stuff again?  Someone on the webwerkers (sic) group should
>> probably liase with them...
>
> hehe, thanks, although reportlab had nothing to do with the talk matrix
> on the website... :-)

Um, yes, I knew that.  I hope I didn't mislead anyone with that remark.

> (Reportlab was responsible for everything on pdf-related and I'm sure -I
> hope- they are still willing to do this)

Good, I thought so too.  But it would be nice to hear from them again
to be sure.

> I created the website talk-matrix after Guido told that the presentation
> of talks could be better ;-)

And there was much rejoicing!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
39. Re graphics:  A picture is worth 10K words - but only those
    to describe the picture.  Hardly any sets of 10K words can be
    adequately described with pictures.
  -- Alan Perlis, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html

From faassen at infrae.com  Mon Jan 19 10:59:48 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon Jan 19 11:00:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers
In-Reply-To: <200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt>
	<200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> On fredag 16 januari 2004 03.42, Steve Alexander wrote:
> > I also spoke to Mark Shuttleworth today. Mark has agreed to be a keynote
> > speaker, if we invite him to do so. Do we want to formally invite Mark?
> > If so, it would be good to get the dates into his diary earlier rather
> > than later.
> 
> I'm enthusiastic about getting Mark Shuttleworth. I'd personally like to hear 
> what he has to say, and I hope he would attract other people to the 
> conference. It could also help us get press coverage.

It has my vote as well, very cool.

Regards,

Martijn


From faassen at infrae.com  Mon Jan 19 11:04:52 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon Jan 19 11:05:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] website DNS stuff
Message-ID: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl>

Hi there,

I've seen Ivo at Amaze today floating around on irc asking who was responsible
for the EuroPython DNS entry. Ivo can be reached at ivo@amaze.nl, or
by talking to 'VladDrac' on irc.

That's Thomas Reulbach. I've given Ivo his email address, but don't know
whether Ivo will contact him. Thomas Reulbach's email address is:

thomas@reulbach.com

Ivo was claiming that if we don't change something technical mumble mumble
with the DNS it'll fail next week, and we'll find out.. This has to do
with some server transition at Amaze, presumably.

So, web people, we need to contact Thomas Reulbach and Ivo van der Wijk
about this...

Regards,

Martijn
 

From thomas at reulbach.com  Mon Jan 19 14:16:38 2004
From: thomas at reulbach.com (Thomas Reulbach)
Date: Mon Jan 19 13:45:47 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] website DNS stuff
In-Reply-To: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <6.0.0.22.1.20040119201223.02e21450@pop.kundenserver.de>

Hi,

I guesss that won't be a problem. I'll update records this week to the IP 
Ivo sent me.
Looking forward to Europython 2004.

Thomas



At 17:04 19.01.2004, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>Hi there,
>
>I've seen Ivo at Amaze today floating around on irc asking who was responsible
>for the EuroPython DNS entry. Ivo can be reached at ivo@amaze.nl, or
>by talking to 'VladDrac' on irc.
>
>...
>
>Ivo was claiming that if we don't change something technical mumble mumble
>with the DNS it'll fail next week, and we'll find out.. This has to do
>with some server transition at Amaze, presumably.
>
>So, web people, we need to contact Thomas Reulbach and Ivo van der Wijk
>about this...
>
>Regards,
>
>Martijn
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython



From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jan 19 14:45:21 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jan 19 14:44:20 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] website DNS stuff
References: <20040119160452.GB7146@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <013701c3dec5$f6ee1eb0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Ivo contacted me aswell, I've forwarded the request to Thomas.

T.

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I've seen Ivo at Amaze today floating around on irc asking who was
> responsible for the EuroPython DNS entry. Ivo can be reached at
> ivo@amaze.nl, or
> by talking to 'VladDrac' on irc.
>
> That's Thomas Reulbach. I've given Ivo his email address, but don't
> know whether Ivo will contact him. Thomas Reulbach's email address is:
>
> thomas@reulbach.com
>
> Ivo was claiming that if we don't change something technical mumble
> mumble with the DNS it'll fail next week, and we'll find out.. This
> has to do
> with some server transition at Amaze, presumably.
>
> So, web people, we need to contact Thomas Reulbach and Ivo van der
> Wijk
> about this...
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From steve at z3u.com  Mon Jan 19 17:04:50 2004
From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Mon Jan 19 17:04:54 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers
In-Reply-To: <20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl>
References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt>
	<200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com>
	<20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl>
Message-ID: <20040119220450.GH23143@fridge.pov.lt>


> I'm enthusiastic about getting Mark Shuttleworth. I'd personally like to hear 
> > what he has to say, and I hope he would attract other people to the 
> > conference. It could also help us get press coverage.
> 
> It has my vote as well, very cool.

Mark has agreed to come and be a keynote speaker.

I can be a point of contact for this, but I've also copied Jacob into
the arrangements.

--
Steve Alexander


From ghum at gmx.net  Tue Jan 20 01:52:41 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue Jan 20 01:45:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers
References: <20040116024243.GA23181@fridge.pov.lt><200401161601.39597.jacob@strakt.com><20040119155948.GA7146@vet.uu.nl>
	<20040119220450.GH23143@fridge.pov.lt>
Message-ID: <000e01c3df22$0377a280$642aa8c0@tog2>

> Mark has agreed to come and be a keynote speaker.

That is phantastic news! Thank you for sharing.

Harald

From ghum at gmx.net  Tue Jan 20 01:54:34 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue Jan 20 01:46:48 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] before and after
Message-ID: <002101c3df22$43e30760$642aa8c0@tog2>

I am prepared to book my flight.

What are the activities scheduled before 2004-06-07 and after 2004-06-09 ??

Or is "in time flight" enough?


Harald
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From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue Jan 20 02:34:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] before and after 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Harald Armin Massa" <ghum@gmx.net> of "Tue,
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>I am prepared to book my flight.
>
>What are the activities scheduled before 2004-06-07 and after 2004-06-09 
>=
>??
>
>Or is "in time flight" enough?
>
>
>Harald

Aside from Sprints, we haven't reached that level of scheduling yet.
But Gothenburg is a terrific place for a vacation, so there is no
shortage of interesting and fun things we could do before and after ...

Maybe we should start discussing them here.

But I am at COMDEX Scandinavia this week, so now is not the time for me....

Laura

From clean_actrepaying at wildmail.com  Tue Jan 20 18:33:59 2004
From: clean_actrepaying at wildmail.com (Equest)
Date: Tue Jan 20 08:32:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Don't get busted ! ! . . . . . . . . . aviary
Message-ID: <wugydibv.00844squwnb@Equestdwhunoodp>

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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Jan 20 10:58:38 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue Jan 20 10:58:49 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested!
In-Reply-To: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <400D502E.4020006@ita.chalmers.se>

Anna Ravenscroft wrote:
> The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting.
> You can see the minutes of the meeting here: 
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog

Sorry I couldn't make it to the IRC meetings - I have been caught up in 
work recently, so I have not had the opportunity to do anythin in 
particular since some time before chrismtas.

A quick question and reminder - I saw that there was a possibility of 
moving the site to plone. Are there any news on that yet?

the reminder is that there previously has been some work done on a Plone 
based site at this address:

http://europython-develop.zope.nl/epc/

Though not much has been done since the beginning of November on it.

Cheers,

/dario - catching up on europython

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From bea at webwitches.com  Tue Jan 20 11:08:27 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Tue Jan 20 11:08:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Website update - feedback requested!
In-Reply-To: <400D502E.4020006@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <20040116180814.49324.qmail@web60402.mail.yahoo.com>
	<400D502E.4020006@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <1074614907.22952.100.camel@ogg>

On Tue, 2004-01-20 at 16:58, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Anna Ravenscroft wrote:
> > The Europython webwerkers met today and had a very productive meeting.
> > You can see the minutes of the meeting here: 
> > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog
> 
> Sorry I couldn't make it to the IRC meetings - I have been caught up in 
> work recently, so I have not had the opportunity to do anythin in 
> particular since some time before chrismtas.

No worries, we've all been busy. You're more than welcome, anytime!

> A quick question and reminder - I saw that there was a possibility of 
> moving the site to plone. Are there any news on that yet?

Well, I'm the one who suggested it because I am not a Pythoneer and
Plone is by far better in my grasp since I work on it every day. Anna
also mentioned that she found the existing Europython site not very
easily accessible in terms of structure (if you're not a confirmed Zoper
at least) and I figured that Plone would probably be easier to come to
terms with. But I suggested to submit that decision to the whole group
tonight before we finalise that point.
> 
> the reminder is that there previously has been some work done on a Plone 
> based site at this address:
> 
> http://europython-develop.zope.nl/epc/

Oh cool! I had no idea! Thanks! Watcha think, Anna?
> 
> Though not much has been done since the beginning of November on it.

Well, that may change depending on what everyone has to say.

> Cheers,
> 
> /dario - catching up on europython

You can catch up on IRC at 6pm CET and the webwerkers will stay on a
little after that ;)

ciao

bea, drafted webwerker
-- 
Beatrice Fontaine <bea@webwitches.com>


From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jan 20 15:17:17 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jan 20 15:17:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Minutes done, next meeting set
Message-ID: <200401202117.17362.jacob@strakt.com>

The minutes from the general meeting today have been posted on the wiki: 
http://z3u.com/ep2004/

Next meeting was set to Tuesday 3 February 2004, 18.00 CET - 19.30 CET.
Feenode Irc-channel #europython.

The following agenda items still have to be dealt with. Post any other items 
you want to raise.

Please post ideas and whatever you know about sprints and tutorials.

AGENDA
A. Introductions (5 minutes)

B. Information/Decision items (10 minutes)

C. Urgent discussion items
- Budget
- Time planning - deadlines for when things have to be done
- Marketing - press releases, forums
- Tutorials
- Sprints

D Other items (we reserve a minimum of 10 minutes)


From magnus at thinkware.se  Tue Jan 20 16:57:49 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Tue Jan 20 16:57:55 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBiZWZvcmUgYW5kIGFmdGVy?=
Message-ID: <think001_400d9d398d7f1@webmail.thinkware.se>

> I am prepared to book my flight.
> 
> What are the activities scheduled before 2004-06-07 and after 2004-06-09 ??

When are the sprints?

I agree with Laura that you ought to stay a while and enjoy 
the city.

For those who like music, there is an outdoor Metallica concert
on May 30th. All 55 000 tickets were sold in two hours, but
I guess there will be some sold outside Ullevi (at a price...)
and they'll probably play loud enough for you to hear them
well outside the arena! You can bet that there will be a lot
of heavy metal music and a lot lot of people in G?teborg that 
weekend. (If you do plan to come that early, you should really
book now. I'm sure the Metallica fans will fill the budget
flights.)

For indoor music :), we have one of the world's best concert
halls, see www.gso.se. On June 3rd, the symphony orchestra plays
 Rossini, Rosenberg and Weber, and June 9th they play Mozart, 
Ravel and Debussy. On June 13th, they play outdoors (but not in 
a sports area--it's in a nice park). The outdoor concert is for
free, but I'm sure there are still tickets for the other concerts. ;)



-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From tom at aragne.com  Tue Jan 20 18:31:07 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Tue Jan 20 18:21:33 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Minutes done, next meeting set
References: <200401202117.17362.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c3dfad$7b67ead0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> The minutes from the general meeting today have been posted on the
> wiki: http://z3u.com/ep2004/
>
> Next meeting was set to Tuesday 3 February 2004, 18.00 CET - 19.30
> CET. Feenode Irc-channel #europython.

That's nice, but I won't be available on Tuesdays from 18.00 CET. I
don't have free time on tuesdays.
Is there a way to move the meetings to another day ?
If not possible (ie if it fits best for everybody else), no problem, but
then I won't be able to join.

Regards,
Tom.


From lac at strakt.com  Wed Jan 21 01:49:30 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed Jan 21 01:49:40 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] refereed paper track
Message-ID: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

If we pay the airfaire for people whose papers are accepted in the
refereed paper track, we need a policy for 'this paper has X authors'.

Laura

From bea at webwitches.com  Wed Jan 21 04:13:11 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Wed Jan 21 04:10:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Webwerkerslog updated
Message-ID: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost>

http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog

has been changed after yesterday's meeting.

The deadline for comments on the existing site is this upcoming Sunday,
January 25th.

http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback

The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that, but
not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom.

This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are
you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening?

Others are obviously also more than welcome to join.


bea



From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed Jan 21 05:03:19 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed Jan 21 05:03:30 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Webwerkerslog updated
In-Reply-To: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost>
References: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <400E4E67.4080408@ita.chalmers.se>

Beatrice Fontaine wrote:

> The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that, but
> not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom.
> 
> This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are
> you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening?
> 
> Others are obviously also more than welcome to join.

monday evenings is best for me, even though I maybe have to bounce off 
now and then to get kids to bed.

Other days are impossible for me and fridays I am usually too tired to 
think coherently :-)

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 21 09:13:15 2004
From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Wed Jan 21 09:13:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Webwerkerslog updated
In-Reply-To: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <20040121141315.51559.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Beatrice Fontaine <bea@webwitches.com> wrote:
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog
> 
> has been changed after yesterday's meeting.

Sorry I missed the meeting. I was stranded in Frankfurt Hahn by the
weather. 

> The deadline for comments on the existing site is this upcoming
> Sunday,
> January 25th.
> 
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback
> 
> The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that,
> but
> not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom.
> 
> This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are
> you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening?

I could possibly be available on Monday... I'm flying on Tuesday and
wouldn't give good odds on being available until Thursday... 

If folks can all meet a different day, then go for it!

Anna

From steve at z3u.com  Wed Jan 21 10:00:22 2004
From: steve at z3u.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Wed Jan 21 10:00:32 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] refereed paper track
In-Reply-To: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040121150019.GI23143@fridge.pov.lt>

lac@strakt.com
> If we pay the airfaire for people whose papers are accepted in the
> refereed paper track, we need a policy for 'this paper has X authors'.

What is the policy for regular papers that have more than one author?

Do all of the authors get the reduced registration fee?

--
Steve Alexander


From jacob at strakt.com  Wed Jan 21 10:36:42 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed Jan 21 10:36:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] refereed paper track
In-Reply-To: <20040121150019.GI23143@fridge.pov.lt>
References: <200401210649.i0L6nU4o028583@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<20040121150019.GI23143@fridge.pov.lt>
Message-ID: <200401211636.42031.jacob@strakt.com>

On onsdag 21 januari 2004 16.00, Steve Alexander wrote:
> lac@strakt.com
>
> > If we pay the airfaire for people whose papers are accepted in the
> > refereed paper track, we need a policy for 'this paper has X authors'.
>
> What is the policy for regular papers that have more than one author?
>
> Do all of the authors get the reduced registration fee?

I think the policy should be that one speaker can get travel and reduced fee 
for each presentation.

Jacob Hall?n


From jacob at strakt.com  Wed Jan 21 10:41:43 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed Jan 21 10:41:48 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration account details
Message-ID: <200401211641.43717.jacob@strakt.com>

I'd like to know a bit more about where the money that people pay to attend 
ends up.

My take on it is this:

People can pay by credit card, eurogiro or SWIFT transfer. All that money ends 
up in an account somewhere.

1. In who's name is this account registered?
2. Who has access to the money?
3. What fees are involved in the transfer of payments. We nned to factor this 
into the budget.

I'm grateful for an answer from whoever knows any of these details.

Jacob Hall?n


From jacob at strakt.com  Wed Jan 21 10:56:26 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed Jan 21 10:56:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation
Message-ID: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>

We need to form a formal organisation that has its own financials for 
Europython, so that we are separate from anyones private economy or any 
company financials. This is required to protect both Europython and the 
people involved.

It will also allow us to keep bank accounts and other infrastructure in the 
name of Europython.

I see 2 main possibilities:

1. We form a separate non-profit organisation.

2. We form a Special Interest Group under the Python Business forum.

Either way works for me. Alternative 2 involves less paper work, but creates a 
tie that may affect the way people view Europython.

I'd like to hold a vote on this issue at the next general meeting, and I'd 
like to have any debate over the matter happen before the meeting, so that we 
don't spend time that is needed for urgent issues on a matter that could be 
discussed for a very long time.

Since I am chairman of the PBF as well as head organiser for Europython, I 
have double interests. For this reason, I will not cast my vote in this 
matter.

Once the decision is made, I will immediately start the creation of the 
organisation, whichever form we decide on.

If we select alternative 1, I would suggest making it a non-profit society 
under Swedish law (like the PBF), as I have experience with doing this, have 
most of the templates to do the paperwork and it is a very quick process.
If somebody wants to suggest another alternative, I would like to hear about 
that as soon as possible.

Jacob Hall?n


From tom at aragne.com  Wed Jan 21 14:08:53 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed Jan 21 13:59:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re:  Registration account details
References: <200401211641.43717.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <006801c3e052$07a77160$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Hi Jacob,

This was how we did it:

1. OS3B had opened an account to which the SWIFT payments could be
deposited.
So, you could do the same? ie open an account for directly depositing
money?

2. Credit card payments arrived at an account of Joachim, because of the
online payment webservice he made.
He can bring it over or transfert it, that's something you better
discuss together.

Regards,
Tom.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> I'd like to know a bit more about where the money that people pay to
> attend ends up.
>
> My take on it is this:
>
> People can pay by credit card, eurogiro or SWIFT transfer. All that
> money ends up in an account somewhere.
>
> 1. In who's name is this account registered?
> 2. Who has access to the money?
> 3. What fees are involved in the transfer of payments. We nned to
> factor this into the budget.
>
> I'm grateful for an answer from whoever knows any of these details.
>
> Jacob Hall?n
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From tom at aragne.com  Wed Jan 21 14:10:38 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed Jan 21 14:03:37 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Webwerkerslog updated
References: <1074676391.2323.22.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <009d01c3e052$9e4a10a0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Beatrice Fontaine wrote:
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog
> 
> has been changed after yesterday's meeting.
> 
> The deadline for comments on the existing site is this upcoming
> Sunday, January 25th.
> 
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebsiteFeedback
> 
> The next meeting of the Webwerkers needs to happen right after that,
> but not on Tuesday evenings because we want Tom.
> 
> This currently counts for dario, joachim, bea, anna, and tom. How are
> you all set for next week Monday/Thursday/Friday evening?

Friday the best, then thursday, then wednesday, then monday.
I prefer 18:00h. For mondays, I rather prefer 18:30h

Regards,
Tom.


> Others are obviously also more than welcome to join.
> 
> 
> bea
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From tom at aragne.com  Wed Jan 21 14:31:38 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed Jan 21 14:22:02 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation
References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <00b301c3e055$31567ee0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Hi,

I know Denis was working on this too. It might be good if Denis could
give his status on this.

Regards,
Tom.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> We need to form a formal organisation that has its own financials for
> Europython, so that we are separate from anyones private economy or
> any company financials. This is required to protect both Europython
> and the people involved.
>
> It will also allow us to keep bank accounts and other infrastructure
> in the name of Europython.
>
> I see 2 main possibilities:
>
> 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation.
>
> 2. We form a Special Interest Group under the Python Business forum.
>
> Either way works for me. Alternative 2 involves less paper work, but
> creates a tie that may affect the way people view Europython.
>
> I'd like to hold a vote on this issue at the next general meeting,
> and I'd like to have any debate over the matter happen before the
> meeting, so that we don't spend time that is needed for urgent issues
> on a matter that could be discussed for a very long time.
>
> Since I am chairman of the PBF as well as head organiser for
> Europython, I have double interests. For this reason, I will not cast
> my vote in this matter.
>
> Once the decision is made, I will immediately start the creation of
> the organisation, whichever form we decide on.
>
> If we select alternative 1, I would suggest making it a non-profit
> society under Swedish law (like the PBF), as I have experience with
> doing this, have most of the templates to do the paperwork and it is
> a very quick process.
> If somebody wants to suggest another alternative, I would like to
> hear about that as soon as possible.
>
> Jacob Hall?n
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Jan 22 02:17:54 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu Jan 22 02:18:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation
In-Reply-To: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <400F7922.2050906@ita.chalmers.se>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> We need to form a formal organisation that has its own financials for 
> Europython, so that we are separate from anyones private economy or any 
> company financials. This is required to protect both Europython and the 
> people involved.
> 
> It will also allow us to keep bank accounts and other infrastructure in the 
> name of Europython.

I agree.

> 
> I see 2 main possibilities:
> 
> 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation.
> 
> 2. We form a Special Interest Group under the Python Business forum.
> 
> Either way works for me. Alternative 2 involves less paper work, but creates a 
> tie that may affect the way people view Europython.

My preference is for forming a separate non-profit organisation for the 
reasons Jacob state above and because I personally think that there is a 
value in EPC being formally independent from other organistions.

However, should the majority choose a SIG under EPBF, i can live with 
that too.

I also agree on forming the non-profit under Swedish law since, based on 
  what other people tell me is involved in forming non-profits in othere 
EU countries, I have the impression that it will keep the paper work to 
a minimum, while at the same time upholding the necessary legal aspects.

I too have had some experience with working and forming non-profits in 
Sweden and it is a rather painless process once you have all your papers 
in order.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From bea at webwitches.com  Thu Jan 22 02:52:07 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Thu Jan 22 02:49:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation
In-Reply-To: <400F7922.2050906@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>
	<400F7922.2050906@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <1074757927.2338.15.camel@localhost>

On Thu, 2004-01-22 at 08:17, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

[...snip...]
> 
> I also agree on forming the non-profit under Swedish law since, based on 
>   what other people tell me is involved in forming non-profits in othere 
> EU countries, I have the impression that it will keep the paper work to 
> a minimum, while at the same time upholding the necessary legal aspects.
> 
> I too have had some experience with working and forming non-profits in 
> Sweden and it is a rather painless process once you have all your papers 
> in order.


Sounds like that is the most expedient way to go then, anyhow. You guys
know how to do it, you know it's relatively painless, and the conference
is happening under your auspices, so I think that whatever you think is
best for your own good, is the way to go for the conference, honestly.

The only question I have is whether having the account in Sweden affects
the way the online payments are being processed. But I am sure that
Joachim will have an answer for that, won't he? Does it make any
difference whatsoever?

Cheers

bea



-- 
Beatrice Fontaine <bea@webwitches.com>


From bea at webwitches.com  Thu Jan 22 04:36:55 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Thu Jan 22 04:34:30 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] next Webwerkers' meetings: dates/times
Message-ID: <1074764215.2486.35.camel@localhost>

Hi all

>From what I have been able to gather, there are two options for next
week:

Monday, 26th January,  18.30 Dario, Bea, Tom, Anna, but Joachim can't
participate on Monday.

I would like to take that one anyhow, because we should a) see if there
are comments on the feedback page, 2) begin moving easy content from the
old one and 3) get a hold of the Plone site. I have manager access to it
(thanks to Dario) but I can't install new products yet - no access to
root folder. Without 3), there won't be a 1) and 2).
Nevertheless, that does not really require Joachim, right?

Monday ok?

Friday, 30th January, early evening (?) seems to be an alternative too,
but Dario is worried that his brain may not be available :) That could
be when we discuss the ins and outs of Plone vs. Zope pure as far as the
forms are concerned. That is where the online payment issue would come
up again, and Joachim said he could make it for Friday.

Friday ok? what time?

Other are welcome to join, as always!

bea



-- 
Beatrice Fontaine <bea@webwitches.com>


From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Thu Jan 22 06:59:26 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu Jan 22 06:59:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Formal organisation
In-Reply-To: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200401211656.26146.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040122115926.GB2372@logilab.fr>

On Wed, Jan 21, 2004 at 04:56:26PM +0100, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> 1. We form a separate non-profit organisation.

a few pointers :

http://europa.eu.int/scadplus/leg/en/lvb/l26017.htm
http://www.uia.org/legal/home.php
http://www.uia.org/legal/app413.php

and europython ML's archives :

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2002-February/000689.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2002-February/000662.html
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2003-July/003290.html

hope this helps.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From tom at aragne.com  Thu Jan 22 15:25:04 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu Jan 22 15:16:17 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: next Webwerkers' meetings: dates/times
References: <1074764215.2486.35.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <004401c3e125$df66c640$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

> Hi all
>
> >From what I have been able to gather, there are two options for next
> week:
>
> Monday, 26th January,  18.30 Dario, Bea, Tom, Anna, but Joachim can't
> participate on Monday.

okay.

> I would like to take that one anyhow, because we should a) see if
there
> are comments on the feedback page, 2) begin moving easy content from
the
> old one and 3) get a hold of the Plone site. I have manager access to
it
> (thanks to Dario) but I can't install new products yet - no access to
> root folder. Without 3), there won't be a 1) and 2).
> Nevertheless, that does not really require Joachim, right?

I've root access, so I can give a hand. Let me know.

> Monday ok?
>
> Friday, 30th January, early evening (?) seems to be an alternative
too,
> but Dario is worried that his brain may not be available :) That could
> be when we discuss the ins and outs of Plone vs. Zope pure as far as
the
> forms are concerned. That is where the online payment issue would come
> up again, and Joachim said he could make it for Friday.
>
> Friday ok? what time?

Nope, sorry can't do. I'm at a conference from friday till saterday.

Tom


> Other are welcome to join, as always!
>
> bea
>
>
>
> -- 
> Beatrice Fontaine <bea@webwitches.com>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From jacob at strakt.com  Fri Jan 23 08:58:21 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri Jan 23 08:58:26 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Statistics from last year
Message-ID: <200401231458.21979.jacob@strakt.com>

Do we have any statistics form last year for how many people who payed the 
different fees:

Speakers
Early bird
Normal prepaid
At the door
Students before the conference
Students at the door

Information about this would help my budgeting.

Jacob


From js at aixtraware.de  Sat Jan 24 08:08:34 2004
From: js at aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Sat Jan 24 08:17:04 2004
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[EuroPython]_Statistics_from_last_year?=
Message-ID: <20040124130834.D347A44C0FA@zope.aixtraware.de>


I think I can collect those next week. I am out of office till monday evening.


Joachim

> Do we have any statistics form last year for how many people who payed the 
> different fees:
> 
> Speakers
> Early bird
> Normal prepaid
> At the door
> Students before the conference
> Students at the door
> 
> Information about this would help my budgeting.
> 
> Jacob
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 




From magnus at thinkware.se  Sun Jan 25 18:11:14 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lyck=E5?=)
Date: Sun Jan 25 18:05:39 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker
In-Reply-To: <20030903112930.GH5120@carolo.net>
References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
	<200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se>

I just spotted the following in an old mail to the list.
Do we have the keynote speakers we need by now, or would
this be something to consider as well?

At 13:29 2003-09-03 +0200, Denis Frere wrote:
>P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speaker
>for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ?

--
Magnus Lycka (It's really Lyck&aring;), magnus@thinkware.se
Thinkware AB, Sweden, www.thinkware.se
I code Python ~ The Agile Programming Language 


From jacob at strakt.com  Sun Jan 25 19:17:26 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Sun Jan 25 19:17:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker
In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se>
References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <200401260117.26762.jacob@strakt.com>

On m?ndag 26 januari 2004 00.11, Magnus Lyck? wrote:
> I just spotted the following in an old mail to the list.
> Do we have the keynote speakers we need by now, or would
> this be something to consider as well?
>
> At 13:29 2003-09-03 +0200, Denis Frere wrote:
> >P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speaker
> >for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ?

My personal view is that Bruce Eckel is the right person for a keynote at a 
Java conference, while his Python style is too influenced by his Java 
expertise.

Jacob Hall?n


From lac at strakt.com  Sun Jan 25 19:25:19 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sun Jan 25 19:25:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker 
In-Reply-To: Message from Magnus =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lyck=E5?=
	<magnus@thinkware.se> of "Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:11:14 +0100."
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> 
References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
	<200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>
	<5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se> 
Message-ID: <200401260025.i0Q0PJYD008647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Mon, 26 Jan 2004 00:11:14 +0100, Magnus Lyck? writes:
>I just spotted the following in an old mail to the list.
>Do we have the keynote speakers we need by now, or would
>this be something to consider as well?
>
>At 13:29 2003-09-03 +0200, Denis Frere wrote:
>>P.S. I already had some contacts with Bruce Eckel to be a keynote speake
>r
>>for 2004. Would I direct him to you for further discussion ?
>
>--
>Magnus Lycka (It's really Lyck&aring;), magnus@thinkware.se
>Thinkware AB, Sweden, www.thinkware.se
>I code Python ~ The Agile Programming Language 
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

I think we are ok.  

Laura

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Jan 26 03:32:31 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon Jan 26 03:32:38 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote speaker
In-Reply-To: <200401260117.26762.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200309011531.h81FVObZ032470@theraft.strakt.com>	<5.2.1.1.0.20040126000758.02412e80@www.thinkware.se>
	<200401260117.26762.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <4014D09F.6010902@ita.chalmers.se>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> My personal view is that Bruce Eckel is the right person for a keynote at a 
> Java conference, while his Python style is too influenced by his Java 
> expertise.

otoh, this might be interesting for us folks who need to justify using 
python instead of java.

<rant>
Python, of course, being the unknown language nobody uses and nobody 
knows and for we can hire nobody as consultants, and java being the 
language of choice for any enterprise level system, where there are 
loads of people available that know java, even our students (the fact 
that it takes much more time to develop in java, is of course propaganda 
from the evil side - we can always hire consultants)
</rant>

(that was an attempt at being sarcastic, if you didn't knotice)

Then again, it might be outside of the scope of the conference...

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jan 26 10:42:55 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jan 26 10:43:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Addendum to travel pages
Message-ID: <200401261642.55557.jacob@strakt.com>

Under budget travel:

Two new low budget airlines fly Stockholm - G?teborg. They both use Arlanda 
Airport in Stockholm and Landvetter Airport in G?teborg.
http://www.flynordic.com
http://www.flyme.com


From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jan 26 16:56:28 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jan 26 16:46:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Addendum to travel pages
References: <200401261642.55557.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <008901c3e457$41185ff0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

updated.

--tom

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> Under budget travel:
>
> Two new low budget airlines fly Stockholm - G?teborg. They both use
> Arlanda Airport in Stockholm and Landvetter Airport in G?teborg.
> http://www.flynordic.com
> http://www.flyme.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From bea at webwitches.com  Fri Jan 30 06:52:39 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Fri Jan 30 06:51:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] WebWerkers update: log and meeting
Message-ID: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg>

http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog

Contains the upshot of the meeting Tom and Bea had last Monday evening
and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting:

If no one has forgotten, Joachim, Bea, Anna, Dario are supposed to be
meeting on #europython tonight. 17.00 CET ok? y'all there?

Needless to add: volunteers are always welcome.

ttyl

bea

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bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Jan 30 08:24:34 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri Jan 30 08:24:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] WebWerkers update: log and meeting
In-Reply-To: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg>
References: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg>
Message-ID: <401A5B12.30306@ita.chalmers.se>

Beatrice Fontaine wrote:

> http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog
> 
> Contains the upshot of the meeting Tom and Bea had last Monday evening
> and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting:
> 
> If no one has forgotten, Joachim, Bea, Anna, Dario are supposed to be
> meeting on #europython tonight. 17.00 CET ok? y'all there?
> 
> Needless to add: volunteers are always welcome.

Dario is not able to be there until 19.00 hours (the time when I get 
home on fridays)... is there an agenda I could comment on in advance?

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From bea at webwitches.com  Fri Jan 30 08:45:13 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Fri Jan 30 08:44:02 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] WebWerkers update: log and meeting
In-Reply-To: <401A5B12.30306@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg> <401A5B12.30306@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <1075470310.15676.135.camel@ogg>

On Fri, 2004-01-30 at 14:24, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Beatrice Fontaine wrote:
> 
> > http://z3u.com/ep2004/WebWerkersLog
> > 
> > Contains the upshot of the meeting Tom and Bea had last Monday evening
> > and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting:
> > 
> > If no one has forgotten, Joachim, Bea, Anna, Dario are supposed to be
> > meeting on #europython tonight. 17.00 CET ok? y'all there?
> > 
> > Needless to add: volunteers are always welcome.
> 
> Dario is not able to be there until 19.00 hours (the time when I get 
> home on fridays)... is there an agenda I could comment on in advance?

Agenda is at the bottom of the webwerkerslog and 19.00 is ok with me
too. We had not been specific on the time we agreed on and any old time
is fine with me. Joachim mentioned that he was easy about the schedule
as well. So if Anna doesn't scream out in protest, 19.00 is fine. We'll
keep it short, ok?

ciao

bea


-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Jan 30 09:01:11 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri Jan 30 09:01:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Somne comment on todays WebWerkers meeting
In-Reply-To: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg>
References: <1075463555.15607.126.camel@ogg>
Message-ID: <401A63A7.1090308@ita.chalmers.se>

Beatrice Fontaine wrote:
> and the mini-agenda for the upcoming meeting:

heh... missed that one :-)

Here are my comments:

Site structure:
---------------

The siter structure presne in the current development site is entirely 
made up by me, so no doubt it needs a total evalutaion and changes.

The idea behind the current structure, is to differntiate between 
*general info* on EPC, EPC members, EPC News,EPC Sponsors, and EPC 
Companies.

Then there is the "About EPC 2004" link that takes us directly to the 
2004 EPC conference in the "Conferences" folder.  I the "EPC 2004 
folder" there is an assorted amount of folders that sort of make sense - 
we have something to start discussing about.

Plone 2.0
---------
I suggest that, unless we have access to heavy PLone 2.0-savvy people, 
then we stick with Plone 1.0.5 for EPC 2004, and migrate to 2.0 after 
epc2004 is finished.

We could however document any css-changes, template changes, etc 
allready, in order to make it easier to migrate to 2.0.

Registration/Accomodation forms
--------------------------------

is joachim doing all the work or can we aouline what needs to be by 
when? Are we using CMFFormcontroller, archetypes, etc?

Unless we allready have it, we need

a) input from earlier and current organisers on what info on people is 
necessary to have
b) input on what information to supply to those registering.

we also need to decide if we are going to provide member access or not 
to the EPC site - this leads to another interesting question:

if we form a non-profit organisation, as per Jacob's proposal, should we 
invite people to register at the EPC site and become members, and then, 
as registered members, register themselves to the EPC conference?

/dario - will appear for 19.00

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From postmaster at mail.junik.lv  Fri Jan 30 11:17:20 2004
From: postmaster at mail.junik.lv (postmaster@mail.junik.lv)
Date: Fri Jan 30 11:18:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Inflex scan report [0130181716698]
Message-ID: <200401301617.i0UGHLiv016735@mail.junik.lv>

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