From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jul 1 04:38:45 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jul 1 04:37:29 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Veckobostader invoices? In-Reply-To: <200406291400.18959.jacob@strakt.com> References: <20040629114013.GQ23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl> <200406291400.18959.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <1088671125.21144.471.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 14:00, Jacob Hall?n wrote: [snip] > This means that it will take a month extra before I can get my money back > from my employer. I don't have to deal with this anymore because I am self-employed and hence footing my own bills, but even my bookkeeper accepts the printout of the registration confirmation as a cost, as he would with every other online purchase. Have you tried that? > Laura is ill and will get to receipts when she is well again. Uh-Oh. There is a vicious cold going around the north at the moment. The 3-week kind of summer flu. Did it make its way down south? > If you want professional organisers, you pay for them. Europython is a > volunteer effort, and an understaffed one. The way to make sure these things > are done in a professional way is to put in your own volunteer effort. I also believe that post-conference exhaustion is an acceptable explanation for sudden organiser absence. It is true that pulling off an international conference in one's "spare" time is quite an act of will, especially one that meets the expectations commonly associated with such events. Some of us volunteers had little time to work on their actual job in the 2-3 months preceding the conference, also the self-employed ones (like me). But it is also a lot of fun, so it's definitely worth it! I am absolutely thrilled I got to eat at that theatre, and that wasn't even part of the conference proper :) Reinoud: you are right, of course. The invoicing issue must be taken care of better next year. As Jacob said, it really does require more volunteers at many levels to make sure that all parts of the conference, including paper logistics, are taken care of without glitches. It requires the coordination of a team whose members may never have met before. Quite exciting, especially when it actually works ;) Anyhow, #europython on irc.freenode.net is alive and kicking, despite the summer holiday. You are all welcome to come and give your feedback or join the bunch! See you there? bea -- bea@webwitches.com "My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me. From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jul 1 05:22:12 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jul 1 05:20:34 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Photos from EuroPython In-Reply-To: <200406242206.i5OM6WQ18134@grisby.dyndns.org> References: <200406242206.i5OM6WQ18134@grisby.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <1088673732.21144.517.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> On Fri, 2004-06-25 at 00:06, Duncan Grisby wrote: > Hi, > > I have put a number of photos from EuroPython on my web site, here: > > http://www.grisby.org/Photos/225/ > > I've put captions on quite a few of them to say who they are, but if > you know the people in a photo and I haven't captioned it (or I've got > it wrong) please let me know. > > Hope you like them. My goodness, Duncan, you are one gifted photographer! and I am not only saying that 'coz I got a caption ;) Thanks! -- bea@webwitches.com "My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me. From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jul 1 05:28:37 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jul 1 05:26:59 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference proceedings Message-ID: <1088674117.21144.524.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> Hi Jacob et al. Talking about post-conference trauma: can I assume that the data from the feedback forms has not been processed yet? Jacob, if you stuff them into an envelope and send them to me, I can take care of it. I am trying to be on holiday. It'll give me something to do :) I think it is important to have a thank-you note from the head honcho, statistics, and links to photos and slides on the website. Thank-you note and feedback forms are currently at your end. Links to slides and photos make no sense if there is no official "conference is over" on the home page. Cheers bea -- bea@webwitches.com "My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me. From lac at strakt.com Thu Jul 1 07:45:48 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu Jul 1 07:45:58 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Veckobostader invoices? In-Reply-To: Message from Beatrice Fontaine of "Thu, 01 Jul 2004 10:38:45 +0200." <1088671125.21144.471.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> References: <20040629114013.GQ23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl> <200406291400.18959.jacob@strakt.com> <1088671125.21144.471.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> Message-ID: <200407011145.i61BjmT8008117@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> I think that everybody who wanted an SGS invoice has them now. let me know if I missed you. Laura From lac at strakt.com Thu Jul 1 07:55:56 2004 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu Jul 1 07:56:03 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference proceedings In-Reply-To: Message from Beatrice Fontaine of "Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:28:37 +0200." <1088674117.21144.524.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> References: <1088674117.21144.524.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> Message-ID: <200407011155.i61BtuIF008208@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:28:37 +0200, Beatrice Fontaine writes: >Hi Jacob et al. > >Talking about post-conference trauma: can I assume that the data from >the feedback forms has not been processed yet? Jacob, if you stuff them >into an envelope and send them to me, I can take care of it. I am trying >to be on holiday. It'll give me something to do :) No, thats all done. I just sent my half to Jacob. he needs to merge his half with my half, and then we can post it. Laura From bea at webwitches.com Thu Jul 1 08:55:30 2004 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Jul 1 08:53:53 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference proceedings In-Reply-To: <200407011155.i61BtuIF008208@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <1088674117.21144.524.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> <200407011155.i61BtuIF008208@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <1088686530.2091.52.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> On Thu, 2004-07-01 at 13:55, Laura Creighton wrote: > In a message of Thu, 01 Jul 2004 11:28:37 +0200, Beatrice Fontaine writes: > >Hi Jacob et al. > > > >Talking about post-conference trauma: can I assume that the data from > >the feedback forms has not been processed yet? Jacob, if you stuff them > >into an envelope and send them to me, I can take care of it. I am trying > >to be on holiday. It'll give me something to do :) > > No, thats all done. I just sent my half to Jacob. he needs to merge his > half with my half, and then we can post it. That's great to hear. I don't think there will be many surprises, but it will be interesting to see what suggestions people have to make the event even better next year - although I still maintain it will be difficult to improve on that dinner... can anyone tell I like good food? bea -- bea@webwitches.com "My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me. From jacob at strakt.com Thu Jul 1 13:42:08 2004 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Thu Jul 1 13:42:16 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] Feedback forms Message-ID: <200407011942.08839.jacob@strakt.com> Here is the raw data from the feedback forms. I hope somebody is interested in making an analysis. I hope John will be kind enough to post an online version of the form, so that I won't have to type in all the questions. In the attachment "comments" you have everything that was not a question of the poor/good/excellent, yes/no or SGS/Hotel/fiend sort. The attachment data contains the rest of the responses in the order the questions were posed. In poor/good/excellent, 1 = poor, 2 = good, 3 = excellent In yes/no, 1 = whatever the first stated alternative was. 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The university is remote with no shops.} improve={Tell people to bring Soap to SGS. Provide cookies and brownies with coffee. Better AV. More power outlets.} att={3 days full} loc={south of Europe} sleep={SGS} type{cpp} att={6-8} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} att={~10} loc={closer to western europe} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={the conference was very fine, only problem was the expense getting to Gbg from Paris.} worst={} improve={make it possible to register serveral persons at once.} att={20} loc={Göteborg, Vilnius (this from somebody from Vlinius, glad she was happy)} sleep={SGS} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={25} loc={rome,malta,moscow} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={internet access, I had no wireless,massive problems with projector in VF people should show up for testing or bring acetate slides} improve={more talks, also internet access for those as have no wireless, keep the website more up to date, more links to accomodations and other facilities in the area of the venue} att={10-20} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={20} loc={any cheaper european country (this from a person in malaysia} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={good food, good lunch} worst={too many talks needed prerequisites, should cater more to beginner, a beginner track} improve={need terminals for internet access} att={16} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={ppp, only a student, trying to be a consultant cpp} best={The keybotes were fantastic!!} worst={not enough signs the first day, especially to the where the bathroom was, but more signs} improve={if form had 'student'. I am a ppp here, but ..., more signs,make Guido give more talks!} att={10} loc={gbg again, and again, and again. I'm from denmark, this was great! can I say gbg 5 times for all the people from northern europe who loved it, but would feel bad saying 'Gbg' for a future location, since its a present one and we are funny literal people. Gbg Gbg Gbg!} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={Gbg} worst={Guido is boring, make him stand up.} improve={} att={8} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={more maps} att={all,in so far as possible} loc={germany is pretty central and has a lot of Open source activity, and an active zope user group} sleep={hotel, lorensberg, walking distance, excellent} type={ppp} best={the rooms! much better than charleroi} worst={talks that did not end on time} improve={} att={as many as I could} loc={portugal} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={mark shuttleworth's keynote, Sweden} worst={no avialable printout of talk summaries, not enough marketing} improve={more nice presentations for businesses, invite the press and business} att={10-13} loc={stay in Gbg} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={not only geek related content} worst={not enough time to see the beautiful town} improve={too many technical breaks -- missing batteries, not good enough laptops, not working beamers} att={as many as possible} loc={} sleep={freinds} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={approx 18} loc={eastern europe} sleep={sgs} type={ppp} best={man interestring people and talks} worst={some rooms were overcrowded} improve={not much to improve since it was so excellent} att={max number} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={using the whole time available} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={the spirit} worst={the spirit sometimes ??? } improve={I would have appreciated knowing about the WiFi beforehand} att={20} loc={helsinki} sleep={hotel} type={is, cpp} best={} worst={} improve={longer time for talks} att={25} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={ppp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={many, a lot} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={Göteborg, pretty nice city} worst={taste of food in general, short shopping hour in the city, why are stores closed on Sunday?} improve={upload session material, video, better tshirt design} att={12} loc={where we get volunteers} sleep={hotel type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={18} loc={Gbg is not central enough, move somewhere where the local community can do more to support the organisation} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={keeping in touch with development and community, socialising, and the dinner} worst={speakers wasting time configuring their laptops.} improve={imform the speakers of what they need for beamers before? or have on setup pc for each room?} att={17} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={some very good talks and a good range of talks to choose from} worst={not enough seats at some talks} improve={larger rooms than the smallest ones. a central board with information. a map with directions for lunch dinner keynotes, etc.} att={15} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp -- SCIENTIST} best={} worst={} improve={add scientist, researcher to form, add coffee to dinner} att={All} loc={riviera} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={interesting talks, interesrting people} worst={beamer troubles at talks} improve={more fixed computers and extra beamers for presentations, have presenters mail in talks.} att={about 25} loc={portugal} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={conference dinner} worst={changes in the schedule, and the changes in the rooms} improve={invite more business to the conference} att={~8} loc={Göteborg} sleep={other} type={is} best={} worst={some of the talks were bad} improve={previerw the talks beforehand} att={10} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={ppp} best={the community} worst={speakers not being able to get the projectors to work} improve={have a pc or mac in each room and __insist__ that the speakers use that. download their talks from memory sticks. The projector problems effected 30% of the talks I saw, and one was abandoned. people cannot get the projectors to work, so don't expect them to. standardise on a set of formats -- open office. pdf, powerppoint, whatever. } att={21} loc={} sleep={home} type={cpp} best={that the talks were 30 minutes long.} worst={projectors} improve={have default laptops with each presentation in each room.} att={28} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={} best={the community} worst={the city} improve={} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={talks, attendees, the food} worst={high costs of living in Sweden, and getting to Gbg} improve={Find a location with lower external costs} website={don't mix the accomodation and registration, restructure the wholething tomake it easier to access} att={10} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={nice location} worst={expensive, also to travel to Sweden} improve={make coffee avaialbe all day} att={almost all} loc={Boston, USA} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={the social track conflcited with the the Python optmization track and I wanted to attend all of them.} improve={the dinner food was great but the forum encouraged people to sit in once place. we needed tomore around more.} att={8-10} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={a few of the talks and mark shuttleworth's keytnote} worst={} improve={} att={12} loc={} sleep={home} type={} best={talks and meeting people} worst={overcrowding duing pypy, psycho and zope talks} improve={} att={10-15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={The conference dinner was a very good idea.} worst={} improve={Provide candy of cookies. Make coffee available at all times.} att={almost all} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={} worst={} improve={} att={4 a day} loc={Lund} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={lots of nice people, fun} worst={there should be a cafe on site} improve={better prepared speakers, more technical talks} att={all on monday and wednesday} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={3-4 a day} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={open genrous feeling. a lot of fun. excellent keynotes} worst={having to choose in overlapping tracks. hard to fix, i guess.} improve={more intereactive tutorials. a twisted tutorial. i understnad from my manger that handling multiplnne registrations was hard.} att={10} loc={} sleep={} type={ppp} best={dinner and keynote 2} worst={lack of power outlets} improve={} att={} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={people} worst={location. I really liekd Sweden but its hard to reach.} improve={try to attract more people} att={many} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={ppp} best={} worst={i couldn't finish my dinner by 1330. not enough free time to talk then} improve={more info about sprints. have lunch served in 2 sets 1200 and 1230 soless queueing. big board like wehad in belgium. and ??? misunderstood. } att={7} loc={eastern europe} sleep={home} type={ppp} best={dinner} worst={breaking projectors} improve={message board, have conference one more day, fewer tracks, make interactive game and demo room} att={10-12} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={meeting people with same interests/objectives} worst={starting at 0900 after drinking} improve={offer breakfast as well as lunch} att={25} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={sceintrific research python programmer} best={meet so many pyhtonistas, better than last year} worst={still somany pythonistas not attending} improve={make the slidesavailable before the talks} att={10} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={quality of some talks} worst={simulataneous interesting talks} improve={} att={25%} loc={Vilnius} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={fast internet, everything accessible by a short walk,} worst={infoavailabe very late before conference, poor wifi some spots} improve={irc nicknames on badges, list of participants with photos on the website} website{printer firendsly pages -- javascript broke my browser, talk slides available before conference, downloadable talk matrix for palm pdas} att={all Zope} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={zope programmer} best={} worst={finding the place on the first day} improve={} att={missed just 2 slots} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={} worst={} improve={more info about the venue, directions to the toilets} att={10-15} loc={southern europe} sleep={hotel} type={} best={dinner} worst={} improve={one fewer parellel track and 1 day more instead.} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={freindly people everywhere} worst={overlapping talks, chosing the wrong talk} improve={better, more unified talk descriptions} att={23} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={opportunity to meet people, collect new ideas} worst={coffee} improve={comment booking line on credit card bill not very clear} att={lots} loc={move around} sleep={sgs} type={ppp} best={blackboards} worst={better signs} improve={better wireless -- in talkrooms, better signs more info clear upfront} att={17} loc={spain, italy} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={dealing with late changes, joint time announcements} improve={keep website up todate with last minute changes, irc nick} att={} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={} best={} worst={some speakers were not well prepared} improve={} att={20} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={some stand out talks, including Mark's keynote. nice city} worst={poor map, directions to accomodation and dinner. spartan accomodation} improve={add a low/high price option for the accomodation} att={as many as possible} loc={} sleep={home} type={ppp} best={} worst={beamer problems, delayed talks due to technical problems} improve={} att={8} loc={anywhere} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={} loc={change it every year} sleep={hostel} type={} best={the people whoa re open and interested} worst={no computer rooms} improve={change location every year} att={} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={researcher pp} best={meeting freiends, big community} worst={} improve={better wireless converage. cooler tshirts. attract more people to scinece track. update accepted talks on the webpage more frequently} att={17} loc={where there is an organiser} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={good atmosphere} worst={lack of directions to events, sprints, keynotes, sgs} improve={netwpork access at accomodation, directions to all events in brochure} website={more maps, directions. needs to be a clearer mapping between what you enter on the forms and what appears in the brochure} att={19} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp and ppp} best={the mix} worst={technical troubles} improve={wxPython talk, better information -- more signs and so on} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={missing snacks in the breaks between the talks} improve={} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type=cpp{} best={everything was pretty good really, most impressive the number of talks, great conference guys} worst={} improve={mark the talks as targetted for advanced or novice} att={25-30} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={7} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={ppp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={full time} loc={} sleep={hotel type={cpp} best={shuttleworth keynote} worst={hangover wednesday morning} improve={very little needs improving. some speakers need microphones. 1st keynore in larger room, no password on wifi} att={14} loc={} sleep={with friends} type={teacher} best={Guido} worst={too much Zope and speakers not holding time limits} improve={either give 45 minutes for talks or ruthlessly cut off speakers not holding their time.} att={4-6 each day} loc={change every 2-3 years, keep it international with new locations} sleep={sgs} type={Zope Europe and development of overall business} best={} worst={} improve={for website, add statiustics of attendence to attract new profiles to EuroPython. example -- number of participants 2002 2003 2004 nationalities activity -- developer, user, integrator, public user (university)} att={lots} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={is, cpp} best={dinner was amazing} worst={web site sucked} improve={just polish} att={20} loc={France, Germany} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={meeting python and zope people.} worst={englihs ability of someof the presenters} improve={coffee in the morning when you arrive} att={12} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={program and lunches} worst={} improve={coffee at the start of the morning} att={22} loc={southern europe} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={smart people, awesome community} worst={no snack bar. speaking quality of spme speakers} improve={make a better website. plan more sprints. advertise more publicity} website={make the pdfs available even when not complete. make script so that it is generated dynamically. but clarify what is work in progress and what is settled. like conference tracks.} att={21} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={broad range of topics. easy to get to venue. great food} worst={rooms often too small. late arrivals disturbed those already there.} improve={the EuroPython website is what got me there, so it must be very good. My employers is just starting to use Zope. talks -- many were excellent, a few were not so good. Timekeeping was poor, talks overran, started late and allotted time != needed time. Zope room Monday was too small. Python room wednesday had severe problems. On wednesday manyt talks were cancelled. improvements -- a bookstall with relevant titles and a discount for attendees would be wonderful. detailed info on how to use the public transport. a few computers connected to the internet for attendees who could not bring laptops. infor about how to use the telephones, and how to find one, also how to find the post office. more tshirts.} att={as many as I could in 9-5} loc={Copenhagen} sleep={sgs} type={ppp} best={talks were very informative. Breaks were good for networking, but could have had more opportunites} worst={} improve={more socialactivities planned for evenings. wifi access where you don't have to login every time.} att={lots} loc={} sleep={home} type={cpp} best={} worst={tabs on website confusing.} improve={} att={24} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={the people} worst={parellel sessions that made the decision where to go very hard} improve={set up the lightningt talks in advance so they can post a schedule, available before the conference} att={lots} loc={Boden, Sweden} sleep={sgs} type={} best={meeting people} worst={overlapping talks I couldn't see} improve={more food. sell food in breaks. more people. pair programming demos. irc nicknames on padges} att={9} loc={cyprus} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={the people} worst={the schedule sheets, unfindable, unreadable} improve={do the same but in a medditeranean city} att={15 so far} loc={Göteborg} sleep={home} type={ppp, some commencial use, trying to increase that part} best={to get a lot of info and heads upon what's happening in the Python world.} worst={not enough time to switch rooms} improve={5 minute breaks between talks to allowe people to move to other rooms make the schedule work with lynx. I had a hard time finding what I was looking for on the website. Not sure what to do with that though.} att={as many as I could} loc={Amsterdam, or nearby} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={so many useful talks} worst={that I had to miss some talks} improve={the website - i didn't find when the talks started. The vote to come back to Gbg was unfair, because the people who didn't come because it was inconvenient didn't get to vote. But it seems that people want to do things for two years at a time, so that is ok.} att={as much as I could} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={great organization, free coffee, diverse speakers} worst={some talks could be better} improve={make the airlines fly cheaper} att={18} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={Shuttleworth keynote} worst={delays due to projector problems} improve={} att={every time slot} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={high quality talks} worst={talks that didn't work} improve={receive all the talks in advance and run them on a machine that works} att={21} loc={Umeĺ} sleep={hotel} type={hotel} best={} worst={speakers who ran on. talks that couldnot start on time due to equipment problems} improve={speakers should send their talks in advance and get them to run on local equipment} att={lots, >25} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={the attendants} worst={} improve={} att={all of one track.} loc={Stockholm} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={most lecutres had projector problems, must fix. probably bad cables. but track leaders should have the talks already on their laptops.} improve={wireless and power outlets in lecture halls} att={10} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={opportunities for improptu discussions} worst={queues at the toilets} improve={encourage feedback for specific talks, 30/60/90 minutes not optimal, consider 45 minutes} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={meeting people} worst={} improve={add irc nickname to registration badges} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={} best={} worst={} improve={} att={about 15} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={starkiller talk, also meeting other python programmers} worst={} improve={have more of them} att={} loc={} sleep={freinds} type={ppp} best={interesting talks, chance to see the python stars} worst={projector struggle} improve={skip or find a cheaper dinner, cut the registration fee} att={~30} loc={} sleep={with friends} type={cpp} best={Mark Shuttleworth's keynote} worst={website, advance information, submission of talks. need better feedback for talk submission. I always have overseenthe submit button} improve={better and easier to use website. better informationof time tables and changes} att={~10} loc={CERN, Geneva} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={cool and nice people} worst={} improve={} att={~10} loc={Vienna} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={sgs} worst={talk room too small} improve={go on like you did before EuroPython 2004} att={12} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={is} best={} worst={} improve={} att={~12} loc={cretep} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={combination of complete services, lunch, wifi} worst={VK room too small, hot crowded} improve={more local travel info, larger conference rooms} att={14} loc={} sleep={home} type={cpp} best={Mark Shuttleworth} worst={} improve={} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={talks, people, food} worst={} improve={} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={} loc={a more central place} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={internet access} worst={small conference rooms. No food. Poor drinks} improve={better comtexits(?), professional meeting organisation} att={15 + lightning} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={the navigation on the website was too hard. The cms was slow.} att={15} loc={central, south europe} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={} worst={} improve={} att={26} loc={St. Petersberg, Rome, Hawaii} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={Göteborg is too expensive. Need computer access, just for email, so only a few PCS needed} improve={more talks on how to use stuff, e.g. ODBC Databases, projectors that work, and make people submit slides ahead of time to a machine that works so they can be used in an emergency. website needs an automatic slide sumbission page, also better timekeeping, as people can not leave talks in the middle of sessions.} att={} loc={} sleep={at home} type={ppp} best={excellent keynotes} worst={} improve={} att={14} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={Vegetarian Food was very poor, same as the other's but without the meat!} improve={} att={} loc={location in central europe} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={} worst={the location} improve={location in central europe} att={20} loc={Göteborg} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={10+} loc={} sleep={} type={is,ppp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={talks, meeting people} worst={} improve={} att={15} loc={Holland, Germany} sleep={sgs} type={ppp} best={} worst={} improve={more interaction bdetween people} att={} loc={Baltic area, or southern Europe} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={meeting people} worst={high prices in Sweden} improve={more cable access, more power outlets} att={22} loc={Lithuania} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={excellent keynotes, good venue} worst={internet access} improve={} att={20} loc={Barcelona} sleep={hotel} type={ecucational Python scripter} best={} worst={} improve={} att={28 including lightning talks} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={Keynote of Mark Shuttleworth (very good speaker) and the friendly people of Gothenburg} worst={coffee} improve={} att={} loc={} sleep={} type={cpp} best={friendly reception} worst={unorganised registration, lack of information signs} improve={more pronted information, possibility to pay 1 day at a time} att={16} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={ppp} best={not easy to decide, so many nice talks, I guess that was it that there were soomany nice talks. and dinner was great, a great way to meet so many people} worst={} improve={} att={17} loc={Italy, Switzerland, France} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={talks getting to know people} worst={lightning talks programming, infor on changes in program} improve={make this feedback form online} att={~25} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={is} best={} worst={} improve={} att={all that possible} loc={} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={some very good talks} worst={some speakers were too quiet} improve={use microphones} att={10} loc={Duseldorf} sleep={hotel} type={cpp} best={meeting with colleagues and partners} worst={too many people using notebooks during presentations} improve={be more professional, there sould be more time between keynotes and evening events. after the conference its nice to shower and change and there wasn't enough time. a rules engine should be used to put speakers in slots. give a printed timetable to all attendees. the university food was excellent but the lunch break needs to be longer.} website={the suggestions for accomodations were excellent. Registration was not as straighforward as it could have been and Icouldnotedit my details after registering. apart from the programme, I did not make much use of the website. I had to ask for an invoice, this should be done from the website.} att={every session} loc={must be a place with good Python people locally} sleep={hotel} type={commercial visual basic programmer aspiring to be cpp} best={best was the combination of Mark Shuttleworth and Rigo's talk about Psyco. excellent at both ends of the scale from techy and users perspective, but absolutely compatiblecomplementary. inspirationaland pythonic} worst={when projectors didn't work} improve={can we have a country/regional meetup? I would like to have all the Swiss users in oneroom for 30 minutes. website had the necessary info but did not make me want to explore. } att={as many as I could} loc={} sleep={home} type={ppp} best={technical level, friendly people} worst={not enough time to talk tomore people} improve={more possibilities to socialise with people. Invite ComputerSweden next year? more media coverage. the media is too Stockholm centred, and Gbg desrves some attention as well.} att={} loc={} sleep={} type={} best={} worst={} improve={sprint sessions interspersed with talk sessions. bring your own project. brainstorwmingwith chalkboards in the hall. dinner first night for earlier networking. come-talk-to-me-about kind of messages on the baord.} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} att={15} loc={} sleep={sgs} type={cpp} best={} worst={} improve={} From Wayne at bag.python.org Fri Jul 16 11:10:38 2004 From: Wayne at bag.python.org (Wayne@bag.python.org) Date: Fri Jul 16 11:10:39 2004 Subject: [EuroPython] microsoft Office XP pro software sale 60$ Message-ID: <139110312.ab96@e-mailanywhere.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20040716/de03f204/attachment.htm