From tv at tv.debian.net  Tue Jun  1 01:14:26 2004
From: tv at tv.debian.net (Tommi Virtanen)
Date: Tue Jun  1 01:14:36 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython: Speaker biography requested
In-Reply-To: <200405242209.i4OM9jrm002193@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200405242209.i4OM9jrm002193@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BC10B2.9050600@tv.debian.net>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> Dear Europython speaker,
> 
> When we built the website for this years Europython, we missed the
> detail of making an entry field for speaker biographies. Since we
> are right in the middle of producing the programme for the conference
> we need to remedy this problem in a hurry.
> 
> Please go to http://www.strakt.com/~jacob/biography.html
> 
> Enter the email address to which this email is addressed
> (it is being used as they key to match your biography with your talk(s)).
> Then enter a short biography. About 3-8 lines of text is appropriate.

Oh crap. I made a bad cut-paste error. Could you please do an
s/1999/2001/ on my biography? My email address used was tv@havoc.fi.

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue Jun  1 04:46:20 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue Jun  1 04:46:20 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
Message-ID: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi Guys,

I suspect it'd be a good idea to set aside some time, preferably on the Zope 
track, to discuss the state of the Zope.org website.

Both Rob Page and Jim Fulton are going to be at the conference, along with loads 
of people who'd be interested in helping out and finding solutions to the problems.

What would be the appropriate way to go abotu scheduling this?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jun  1 05:34:01 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jun  1 05:34:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
In-Reply-To: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>

On tisdag 1 juni 2004 10.46, Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> I suspect it'd be a good idea to set aside some time, preferably on the
> Zope track, to discuss the state of the Zope.org website.
>
> Both Rob Page and Jim Fulton are going to be at the conference, along with
> loads of people who'd be interested in helping out and finding solutions to
> the problems.
>
> What would be the appropriate way to go abotu scheduling this?

Talk to huima to check if he has any cancellations. Otherwise you should 
arrange an evening BOF.

Jacob Hall?n

From lac at strakt.com  Tue Jun  1 06:35:24 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue Jun  1 06:35:34 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
Message-ID: <200406011035.i51AZOS7013209@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


------- Forwarded Message

Return-Path: Mihails.Strusovskis@lattelekom.lv
Delivery-Date: Tue Jun  1 09:51:49 2004

Dear Laura,

Our company Lattelekom SIA is going send 3 our employees to the
conference. There are registrations ID for them:
	P04147154540	Mr. Romans Dementjevs
	P04147154520	Mr. Eriks Sarguns
	P04147155315	Mr. Zigmars Vitols

To process the payment we need the official invoice formed in a standard
form. This is requirement of our finance department. Unfortunately I
could get a such form on the Web even in html.

We kindly ask you to provide us with invoices. To make us meet the
payment terms, please send the copies of invoices to the fax 
+371 7055309 (Contact person is Ms. Regina Rubina).

The invoice originals should be sent to: 
	Valentina Dmitrijeva, 
	Finance Department, 
	Lattelekom SIA, 
	Valnu street 30, 
	LV-1050, Latvia.

If you have any difficulties with sending invoice originals then it can
be transferred to Latvia by our attendees (see above).

For any questions and other issues, please contact me by phone or
e-mail.

Mihails Strusovskis
System Integration & CRM Solutions
Lattelekom, IT department
Phone: +371 7055573, Fax: +371 7057376, GSM: +371 9199513
e-mail: mihails.strusovskis@verdi.lv

------- End of Forwarded Message


From ivo at amaze.nl  Tue Jun  1 10:37:45 2004
From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Tue Jun  1 10:39:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
In-Reply-To: <200406011035.i51AZOS7013209@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200406011035.i51AZOS7013209@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BC94B9.5040802@amaze.nl>

Laura Creighton wrote:
(...)

In that case - can I have an invoice as well?

P04120143455

and

P04120145736.

Cheers

	Ivo

-- 
Drs. I.R. van der Wijk                                      -=-
Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12                                 Amaze
1017 RC Amsterdam, NL                                       -=-
T +31-20-4688336         F +31-20-4688337       Zope/Plone/Content Management
W http://www.amaze.nl    E info@amaze.nl           Open Source Solutions
W http://vanderwijk.info E ivo@amaze.nl                 Consultancy
PGP http://vanderwijk.info/pgp

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue Jun  1 11:18:41 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:18:47 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
In-Reply-To: <200406011035.i51AZOS7013209@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200406011035.i51AZOS7013209@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BC9E51.2030103@ita.chalmers.se>

uh.. how do I know what amount to write the invoice for? Or is Jacob 
taking care of this?

/dario


From magnus at thinkware.se  Tue Jun  1 11:57:04 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Tue Jun  1 11:57:13 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBtb3JlIGludm9pY2VzIG5lZWRlZA==?=
Message-ID: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>

I imagine many of us would make our auditors happy by having proper
invoices for this. I would (P04122231501), but is this a convenient
way to handle it? Wouldn't it be simpler to print out all the 
registrations on some kind of invoice form so that anybody who 
wishes might get his in G?teborg? (Or through the site.)

(No, I'm not doing this...I still have my second talk to prepare!
Actually, I do have an ugly script for making PDF invoices that I 
use for Thinkware, but with talks, house purchase, move, baby on 
the way etc, I won't have time to adapt that. I could donate my 
ugly script though. It uses ReportLab and has no interface what so
ever. So far, I've just made a copy of the script and changed the
specifications for each new invoice I make. Making it pass stuff 
in as parameters should not be a big deal though...I've just been 
too lazy...)


-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fr?n: Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario@ita.chalmers.se>
Skickat: 2004-06-01  17:18:41
Till: Laura Creighton
Kopia: europython@python.org
?mne: Re: [EuroPython] more invoices needed


> uh.. how do I know what amount to write the invoice for? Or is Jacob 
> taking care of this?
> 
> /dario
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 


-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net  Tue Jun  1 12:00:57 2004
From: reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Tue Jun  1 12:01:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
In-Reply-To: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>
References: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <20040601160057.GL23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>

On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 05:57:04PM +0200, Magnus Lycka wrote:
> I imagine many of us would make our auditors happy by having proper
> invoices for this. I would (P04122231501), but is this a convenient
> way to handle it? Wouldn't it be simpler to print out all the 
> registrations on some kind of invoice form so that anybody who 
> wishes might get his in G?teborg? (Or through the site.)

I was assuming I would receive my invoice at the registration desk...

-- 
__________________________________________________
"Nothing is as subjective as reality"
Reinoud van Leeuwen    reinoud.v@n.leeuwen.net
http://www.xs4all.nl/~reinoud
__________________________________________________

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Wed Jun  2 03:23:42 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed Jun  2 03:23:44 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
In-Reply-To: <20040601160057.GL23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
References: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>
	<20040601160057.GL23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <40BD807E.5090408@simplistix.co.uk>

Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote:

> 
> I was assuming I would receive my invoice at the registration desk...

Likewise, although I'm sure I "me too"'ed when someone else asked for an invoice 
earlier...

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed Jun  2 03:43:00 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed Jun  2 03:43:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
In-Reply-To: <200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
	<200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040602074300.GA22933@logilab.fr>

On Tue, Jun 01, 2004 at 11:34:01AM +0200, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> > What would be the appropriate way to go abotu scheduling this?
> 
> Talk to huima to check if he has any cancellations. Otherwise you should 
> arrange an evening BOF.

Traditionally, Zope BOF at EuroPython are organized on evening at beer-time.
I was told they had beer in Sweden, so there should be no problem for the
meeting :-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed Jun  2 04:57:59 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed Jun  2 04:58:11 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
In-Reply-To: <20040602074300.GA22933@logilab.fr>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>	<200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>
	<20040602074300.GA22933@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <40BD9697.5010707@ita.chalmers.se>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:

> 
> Traditionally, Zope BOF at EuroPython are organized on evening at beer-time.
> I was told they had beer in Sweden, so there should be no problem for the
> meeting :-)
> 

ah, no I am sorry to say you are mistaken. We have very few beers in Sweden.

Mostly, we have a bunch of mooses.


Beer:
   http://www.visit-sweden.com/gb/inspirationalArticle.asp?ArticleID=9278
Moose:
   http://www.halge.com/

/dario



From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed Jun  2 07:17:30 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed Jun  2 07:17:37 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBab3BlLm9yZyBEaXNjdXNzaW9u?=
Message-ID: <think001_40bdae00aac43@webmail.thinkware.se>

> Mostly, we have a bunch of mooses.

A M??se once bit my sister...



http://arago4.tn.utwente.nl/stonedead/movies/holy-grail/opening-credits.html


From jeroen at noterik.nl  Wed Jun  2 09:00:28 2004
From: jeroen at noterik.nl (Jeroen Vloothuis)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:00:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment
Message-ID: <D22F9760-B494-11D8-8943-000D93509D86@noterik.nl>

>

Because I was a bit late with payment the SWIFT option was closed. 
Therefore we tried the following:
Payed for Peter Maas in full (220 euro)
Put myself on staff (0 euro)
We payed with creditcard, I hope this will work out ok.
Regards,
	Jeroen Vloothuis



> Jeroen,
>
> The procedure I would like to use for your registration is the 
> following:
>
> 1. You register all your participants using the SWIFT alternative. Use 
> the
> "Normal student" alternative for registration type.
>
> 2. Deduct 50 Euro from each persons total. Pay this sum by SWIFT 
> transfer
> through your bank. Please use the IBAN number as indicated on the
> registration. You can pay for all your participants in one single
> transaction. Please remember to write the registration codes of your
> participants on the SWIFT transfer.
>
> 3. Mail me the names of the registered people, so I can manually go in 
> and
> modify the records in teh database.
>
> Unfortunately I don't currently know a working way of handling credit 
> card
> payments that don't go through the regular registration procedure, 
> which is
> why I need you to use the SWIFToption.
>
> Best regards
>
> Jacob Hall?n
> Europython head organiser


From bh at udev.org  Wed Jun  2 09:32:12 2004
From: bh at udev.org (Henrion Benjamin)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:31:51 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython2004: wifi enabled + ppp login?
Message-ID: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>

Just a question:

Will Europtyhon 2004 will be Wifi enabled?

Is there some sweedish guy that can give me a ppp login, password and
call number?

-- 
Benjamin Henrion <bh@udev.org>
http://bh.udev.org
<<< Push the Parliament democracy against Commission-Council Terrorism >>>
<<<   Promoting Abuses of the Patent System is Juridical Terrorism     >>>
<<<                         http://swpat.ffii.org                      >>>

From jeremiah at devmodul.com  Wed Jun  2 09:35:20 2004
From: jeremiah at devmodul.com (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:35:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython2004: wifi enabled + ppp login?
In-Reply-To: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
References: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
Message-ID: <2653.213.88.247.186.1086183320.squirrel@www.devmodul.com>

I wonder too about WiFi at the conference. So far I have found very little
WiFi networks available in G?teborg, and those that do exist require a
credit card. MacDonalds in the States has WiFi as do many coffee shops but
I guess that is not the case here in Sweden. Do people just not have WiFi
cards or do they use bluetooth and their telephones?

Jeremiah

<quote who="Henrion Benjamin">
> Just a question:
>
> Will Europtyhon 2004 will be Wifi enabled?
>
> Is there some sweedish guy that can give me a ppp login, password and
> call number?
>
> --
> Benjamin Henrion <bh@udev.org>
> http://bh.udev.org
> <<< Push the Parliament democracy against Commission-Council Terrorism >>>
> <<<   Promoting Abuses of the Patent System is Juridical Terrorism     >>>
> <<<                         http://swpat.ffii.org                      >>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From jacob at strakt.com  Wed Jun  2 09:38:07 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:38:12 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment
In-Reply-To: <D22F9760-B494-11D8-8943-000D93509D86@noterik.nl>
References: <D22F9760-B494-11D8-8943-000D93509D86@noterik.nl>
Message-ID: <200406021538.07415.jacob@strakt.com>

On onsdag 2 juni 2004 15.00, Jeroen Vloothuis wrote:
> Because I was a bit late with payment the SWIFT option was closed.
> Therefore we tried the following:
> Payed for Peter Maas in full (220 euro)
> Put myself on staff (0 euro)
> We payed with creditcard, I hope this will work out ok.
> Regards,
> 	Jeroen Vloothuis
>

Peter is registered, but you are not, as things are right now. I think this is 
because trying to pay 0 Euro by credit card does not work.

If you repeat the registration procedure, but use the "Special arrangements" 
payment method, things should work better. Please remember that you have to 
do one extra round of confirmation after finishing the registration forms.

Jacob Hall?n

From jacob at strakt.com  Wed Jun  2 09:40:11 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:40:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython2004: wifi enabled + ppp login?
In-Reply-To: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
References: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
Message-ID: <200406021540.11347.jacob@strakt.com>

On onsdag 2 juni 2004 15.32, Henrion Benjamin wrote:
> Just a question:
>
> Will Europtyhon 2004 will be Wifi enabled?
>
> Is there some sweedish guy that can give me a ppp login, password and
> call number?

The conference will be WiFi enabled. All details will be handed out at 
check-in.

Jacob Hall?n

From mwh at python.net  Wed Jun  2 09:42:12 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 09:42:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython2004: wifi enabled + ppp login?
In-Reply-To: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl> (Henrion Benjamin's
	message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:32:12 +0200")
References: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
Message-ID: <2mu0xuxeiz.fsf@starship.python.net>

Henrion Benjamin <bh@udev.org> writes:

> Just a question:
>
> Will Europtyhon 2004 will be Wifi enabled?

Yes.

> Is there some sweedish guy that can give me a ppp login, password and
> call number?

"call number"?

I imagine/hope details will be provided on registration...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Our lecture theatre has just crashed. It will currently only
  silently display an unexplained line-drawing of a large dog
  accompanied by spookily flickering lights.
     -- Dan Sheppard, ucam.chat (from Owen Dunn's summary of the year)

From bh at udev.org  Wed Jun  2 10:45:33 2004
From: bh at udev.org (Henrion Benjamin)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:45:10 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython2004: wifi enabled + ppp login?
In-Reply-To: <2mu0xuxeiz.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
	<2mu0xuxeiz.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20040602144533.GA28765@debina.ctnet.pl>

Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> [040602]:
> Henrion Benjamin <bh@udev.org> writes:
> 
> > Just a question:
> >
> > Will Europtyhon 2004 will be Wifi enabled?
> 
> Yes.
> 
> > Is there some sweedish guy that can give me a ppp login, password and
> > call number?
> 
> "call number"?

Like the plain old good days of dialup internet.

Just to have the opportunity to work at the hotel.

I've accounts on several dialup ISPs here in Belgium, but I have no
login for Sweden.

Do you still use this?

-- 
Benjamin Henrion <bh@udev.org>
http://bh.udev.org
<<< Push the Parliament democracy against Commission-Council Terrorism >>>
<<<   Promoting Abuses of the Patent System is Juridical Terrorism     >>>
<<<                         http://swpat.ffii.org                      >>>

From mwh at python.net  Wed Jun  2 10:48:00 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed Jun  2 10:48:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython2004: wifi enabled + ppp login?
In-Reply-To: <20040602144533.GA28765@debina.ctnet.pl> (Henrion Benjamin's
	message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:45:33 +0200")
References: <20040602133212.GA26581@debina.ctnet.pl>
	<2mu0xuxeiz.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<20040602144533.GA28765@debina.ctnet.pl>
Message-ID: <2mpt8ixbhb.fsf@starship.python.net>

Henrion Benjamin <bh@udev.org> writes:

> Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> [040602]:
>> Henrion Benjamin <bh@udev.org> writes:
>> 
>> > Just a question:
>> >
>> > Will Europtyhon 2004 will be Wifi enabled?
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>> > Is there some sweedish guy that can give me a ppp login, password and
>> > call number?
>> 
>> "call number"?
>
> Like the plain old good days of dialup internet.
>
> Just to have the opportunity to work at the hotel.
>
> I've accounts on several dialup ISPs here in Belgium, but I have no
> login for Sweden.
>
> Do you still use this?

Ah, I see what you mean.  I can't help you with that one myself...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  No.  In fact, my eyeballs fell out just from reading this question,
  so it's a good thing I can touch-type.
                                    -- John Baez, sci.physics.research

From faassen at infrae.com  Wed Jun  2 11:56:40 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:56:05 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
In-Reply-To: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>
References: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <40BDF8B8.2010900@infrae.com>

Magnus Lycka wrote:
> I imagine many of us would make our auditors happy by having proper
> invoices for this.

Agreed, our company is paying for 7 registrations (and then hotel), so 
we'd make our accountant happy too with a proper invoice.

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Wed Jun  2 11:57:52 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed Jun  2 11:57:20 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
In-Reply-To: <200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
	<200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BDF900.5010704@infrae.com>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> On tisdag 1 juni 2004 10.46, Chris Withers wrote:
> 
>>Hi Guys,
>>
>>I suspect it'd be a good idea to set aside some time, preferably on the
>>Zope track, to discuss the state of the Zope.org website.
>>
>>Both Rob Page and Jim Fulton are going to be at the conference, along with
>>loads of people who'd be interested in helping out and finding solutions to
>>the problems.
>>
>>What would be the appropriate way to go abotu scheduling this?
> 
> 
> Talk to huima to check if he has any cancellations. Otherwise you should 
> arrange an evening BOF.
> 

Or a BOF during the lightning talk session on day 2. Or a Zope lightning 
talk inviting people to such a BOF. Check with Huima.

Regards,

Martijn

From huima at iki.fi  Wed Jun  2 12:06:32 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:08:44 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject)
Message-ID: <opr8y5o6ifiddoij@huima-pentium4>


Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> On tisdag 1 juni 2004 10.46, Chris Withers wrote:
>
>> Hi Guys,
>>  I suspect it'd be a good idea to set aside some time, preferably on the
>> Zope track, to discuss the state of the Zope.org website.
>>  Both Rob Page and Jim Fulton are going to be at the conference, along  
>> with
>> loads of people who'd be interested in helping out and finding  
>> solutions to
>> the problems.
>>  What would be the appropriate way to go abotu scheduling this?

Well first of all Rob is present only during the first day - so IF we want  
to be able to get his views and thoughts -- then the only possible time to  
have it would be as evening program after the actual conference day at a  
restaurant or so. However I have no idea on what capasities local  
restaurants have or is it otherwise possible idea.

-- 
-huima


From lac at strakt.com  Wed Jun  2 12:12:33 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:12:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed 
In-Reply-To: Message from Martijn Faassen <faassen@infrae.com> 
	of "Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:56:40 +0200." <40BDF8B8.2010900@infrae.com> 
References: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>
	<40BDF8B8.2010900@infrae.com> 
Message-ID: <200406021612.i52GCXfg017591@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Wed, 02 Jun 2004 17:56:40 +0200, Martijn Faassen writes:
>Magnus Lycka wrote:
>> I imagine many of us would make our auditors happy by having proper
>> invoices for this.
>
>Agreed, our company is paying for 7 registrations (and then hotel), so 
>we'd make our accountant happy too with a proper invoice.
>
>Regards,
>
>Martijn

Don't worry.  We can make invoices.  But it is a real pain to have
to send people invoices _before_ the con, plus significant bill in
postage.  I only want to hear from the people who absoultely cannot
wait and get their invoice at the con, ok?  If you cannot come 
unless your company gets an invoice before, then I will make you
one.  Otherwise, can you hold off?  I am up to my neck in requests
from people whose things absolutely, cannot wait ...

Thanks very much,
Laura


From lac at strakt.com  Wed Jun  2 12:31:52 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed Jun  2 12:32:09 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject) 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Heimo Laukkanen" <huima@iki.fi> 
	of "Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:06:32 +0300." <opr8y5o6ifiddoij@huima-pentium4> 
References: <opr8y5o6ifiddoij@huima-pentium4> 
Message-ID: <200406021631.i52GVqGA017692@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:06:32 +0300, "Heimo Laukkanen" writes:
>
>Jacob Hall?n wrote:
>> On tisdag 1 juni 2004 10.46, Chris Withers wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Guys,
>>>  I suspect it'd be a good idea to set aside some time, preferably on t
>he
>>> Zope track, to discuss the state of the Zope.org website.
>>>  Both Rob Page and Jim Fulton are going to be at the conference, along
>  
>>> with
>>> loads of people who'd be interested in helping out and finding  
>>> solutions to
>>> the problems.
>>>  What would be the appropriate way to go abotu scheduling this?
>
>Well first of all Rob is present only during the first day - so IF we wan
>t  
>to be able to get his views and thoughts -- then the only possible time t
>o  
>have it would be as evening program after the actual conference day at a 
> 
>restaurant or so. However I have no idea on what capasities local  
>restaurants have or is it otherwise possible idea.
>
>-- 
>-huima

The University is holding a pub for us on the campus that night.
Lots of room, and beer.

Laura


From heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Jun  2 12:48:43 2004
From: heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Wed Jun  2 13:00:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Plone sprint and brainstorming at EuroPython
Message-ID: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org>

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Hi folks!

Suprisingly we (some plone developers) want to start a sprint, too.
Alexander Limi has put me in charge to organize a sprint. I know it's
late but I hope it's going to work because we have several people who
are eager to melt their brains for Plone.

To the guys at EuroPython
- -------------------------

We would need a room for about 8-11 people (maybe more) including
wifi/ether net. I would be *very* glad if you can get us a room.

To everyone who want to participate
- -----------------------------------

Mail me or /msg Tiran (that's me) on #plone/irc.freenode.net when I'm at
keyboard.

To the Zope 3 people
- --------------------

I know the Zope 3 sprint is after EuroPython but maybe some Zope 3 guys
are in town before EP. I would like to introduce some Zope 3 tech in the
upcoming Plone versions. Especially I like to use the new interfaces :)

date:

~  2004-06-05 to 06. (saturday to sunday)

topics:

~  Plone 2.1
~  Archetypes 1.3
~  plone.org website (especially the new products area)
~  Brainstorming about the future of Plone
~  social engineering (a trip through the pubs of Goethenborg :)

attendees: (planed)

~  Alexander Limi (limi)
~  Stefan Holek (lurker)
~  Philipp von Weiterhausen (philiKON)
~  Sasha Vincic (sashav)
~  Danny Bloemendaal (ender)
~  Christian Heimes (Tiran)
~  ..


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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Jun  3 02:07:39 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu Jun  3 02:07:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Extra rooms for sprinting - Maybe
In-Reply-To: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org>
References: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>

Hello,

I have a possible access to an entire, currently unused, floor at a 
location neraby the conference (basically it is the entire office floor 
above my own offices). This will cost us nothing. The problems is that 
there are some limitations:

* I am not sure if we can get WiFi or even net-access for free (as for 
the rest of the conference). THere is a standard fee that is about 500 
Euro for temporary allowing acces to a fiber - I will try to see if 
there is anything I can do about it.

* There are no chairs nor tables currently - I'll look into trying to 
borrow these for free if possible.

* We need to have volunteers on site that will help with

a) pre-sprints: setting the borrowed chairs and tables
b) post-sprints: dismantlign the chairs and tables
c) post-sprints: claning the entire floor

I am sorry that this has come so late, but i just received the mail 
myself only 5 mintues ago.

Is this soemthing we are insterested in using, or is it too late?

/dario

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 03:36:55 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu Jun  3 03:37:11 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
In-Reply-To: <20040602074300.GA22933@logilab.fr>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
	<200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>
	<20040602074300.GA22933@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <40BED517.9090502@simplistix.co.uk>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> 
> Traditionally, Zope BOF at EuroPython are organized on evening at beer-time.
> I was told they had beer in Sweden, so there should be no problem for the
> meeting :-)

I heard it was pretty expensive though :-(

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 03:38:17 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu Jun  3 03:38:23 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] more invoices needed
In-Reply-To: <200406021612.i52GCXfg017591@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <think001_40bca1b7426f6@webmail.thinkware.se>	<40BDF8B8.2010900@infrae.com>
	<200406021612.i52GCXfg017591@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BED569.3060600@simplistix.co.uk>

Laura Creighton wrote:

> postage.  I only want to hear from the people who absoultely cannot
> wait and get their invoice at the con, ok?  

No probs, I can wait :-)

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Jun  3 03:40:49 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu Jun  3 03:41:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <200406021631.i52GVqGA017692@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <opr8y5o6ifiddoij@huima-pentium4>
	<200406021631.i52GVqGA017692@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BED601.8080108@simplistix.co.uk>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> The University is holding a pub for us on the campus that night.
> Lots of room, and beer.

That could make for an interesting brawl ;-)

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Jun  3 03:55:09 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu Jun  3 03:55:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion
In-Reply-To: <40BED517.9090502@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>	<200406011134.01702.jacob@strakt.com>	<20040602074300.GA22933@logilab.fr>
	<40BED517.9090502@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40BED95D.2070501@ita.chalmers.se>

Chris Withers wrote:
> Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> 
>>
>> Traditionally, Zope BOF at EuroPython are organized on evening at 
>> beer-time.
>> I was told they had beer in Sweden, so there should be no problem for the
>> meeting :-)
> 
> 
> I heard it was pretty expensive though :-(
> 
> Chris

yeah, beer in traditional bars cost around 5 euros, so it is not 
inexpnesive. However, the studnet bar charges around 3 euros for a 
normal beer (I am told, anyway).

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Jun  3 03:58:03 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu Jun  3 03:58:07 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Extra rooms for sprinting - Maybe
In-Reply-To: <40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org> <40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <40BEDA0B.2010905@ita.chalmers.se>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have a possible access to an entire, currently unused, floor at a 
> location neraby the conference (basically it is the entire office floor 
> above my own offices). This will cost us nothing. The problems is that 
> there are some limitations:

Tested the wifi. It works. Turns out or own wifi-stuff has fairly good 
coverage on the top floor, I get signal strenghts ranging from -35 dB to 
  -20 dB or so...

We cannot get any cabled net-access though...

So... is this intersting? Should I start bugging people about chairs and 
tables?

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From lac at strakt.com  Thu Jun  3 04:34:23 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu Jun  3 04:34:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Extra rooms for sprinting - Maybe 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dario_Lopez-Kästen <dario@ita.chalmers.se> 
   of "Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:58:03 +0200." <40BEDA0B.2010905@ita.chalmers.se> 
References: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org> <40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>
	<40BEDA0B.2010905@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200406030834.i538YNX2019762@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:58:03 +0200, Dario_Lopez-K?sten writes:
>Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I have a possible access to an entire, currently unused, floor at a 
>> location neraby the conference (basically it is the entire office floor
> 
>> above my own offices). This will cost us nothing. The problems is that 
>> there are some limitations:
>
>Tested the wifi. It works. Turns out or own wifi-stuff has fairly good 
>coverage on the top floor, I get signal strenghts ranging from -35 dB to 
>  -20 dB or so...
>
>We cannot get any cabled net-access though...
>
>So... is this intersting? Should I start bugging people about chairs and 
>tables?
>
>/dario
>
>-- 
>-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
>
>_______________________________________________


Yes Please.  (Jacob is asleep, but I know he will be saying 'yes
please' when he wakes up, too.)

Thank you.

Laura


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Jun  3 04:52:21 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu Jun  3 04:52:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Extra rooms for sprinting - Maybe
In-Reply-To: <200406030834.i538YNX2019762@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org> <40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>
	<40BEDA0B.2010905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200406030834.i538YNX2019762@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BEE6C5.8030009@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:
>>So... is this intersting? Should I start bugging people about chairs and 
>>tables?
>>
> Yes Please.  (Jacob is asleep, but I know he will be saying 'yes
> please' when he wakes up, too.)
> 

Right - will do. We might need a Plan B regardgin chairs and tables...

Will try to speeds things up a bit.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From lac at strakt.com  Thu Jun  3 05:33:15 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu Jun  3 05:33:23 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] where did the wiki page go where people tried to set
	up roomsharing?
Message-ID: <200406030933.i539XFcU020162@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

The link has gone away.
Laura

From bea at webwitches.com  Thu Jun  3 05:44:00 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Thu Jun  3 05:40:02 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] where did the wiki page go where people tried to
	set up roomsharing?
In-Reply-To: <200406030933.i539XFcU020162@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200406030933.i539XFcU020162@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1086255839.24676.7.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:33, Laura Creighton wrote:
> The link has gone away.

The original deal was that the rooms would be allocated as empty the
moment the booking phase was over and people had not made arrangements,
so I took the page away to stop people from using it. There was only one
name on it at the time and that person knows that I took the page off.

Do you need it back or was that the info required?

bea
-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From jacob at strakt.com  Thu Jun  3 07:05:32 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu Jun  3 07:05:44 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] where did the wiki page go where people tried to set
	up roomsharing?
In-Reply-To: <1086255839.24676.7.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
References: <200406030933.i539XFcU020162@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<1086255839.24676.7.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
Message-ID: <200406031305.32874.jacob@strakt.com>

On torsdag 3 juni 2004 11.44, Beatrice Fontaine wrote:
> On Thu, 2004-06-03 at 11:33, Laura Creighton wrote:
> > The link has gone away.
>
> The original deal was that the rooms would be allocated as empty the
> moment the booking phase was over and people had not made arrangements,
> so I took the page away to stop people from using it. There was only one
> name on it at the time and that person knows that I took the page off.
>
> Do you need it back or was that the info required?

If you are making a roomsharing page, do it on the attendees wiki.

Jacob

From me at anthonyeden.com  Thu Jun  3 10:02:47 2004
From: me at anthonyeden.com (Anthony Eden)
Date: Thu Jun  3 10:02:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython - important attendee information
In-Reply-To: <200406031349.i53DnDm1018202@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031349.i53DnDm1018202@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BF2F87.4000309@anthonyeden.com>

Jacob,

Quick question: I stated during registration that I wanted to share a 
room, but I'm not sure if I actually am signed up.  Can you check and 
let me know if there is anything I need to do?

Sincerely,
Anthony Eden

From ivo at amaze.nl  Thu Jun  3 10:09:03 2004
From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Thu Jun  3 10:12:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython - important attendee information
In-Reply-To: <200406031348.i53DmIMB017785@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031348.i53DmIMB017785@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BF30FF.1000909@amaze.nl>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> The countdown for the Europython conference has begun.
> 
> PROGRAMME
> 
> Thanks to Reportlab, we have a configurable conference programme that
> you can generate and print yourself. Please note that we will not
> provide printed programmes at the conference. In order to save on
> costs we request that everyone brings their own copy.
> 
> Daily schedules will be available.
> 
> Instructions:
> 
> - Connect to
> http://server.reportlab.com/cgi-bin/epc2004.cgi
> and follow the instructions on the web page.
> You will get a downloadable PDF file generated.
> 

Very nice. Unfortunately, the wrong logo is used for Amaze - the low-res 'circle 
with A' only weblogo in stead of the specially made vectorized one with 'Amaze' 
and 'www.zopesolutions.com' which I sent to Jacob.

Can this be fixed?

Cheers

Ivo


-- 
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Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12                                 Amaze
1017 RC Amsterdam, NL                                       -=-
T +31-20-4688336         F +31-20-4688337       Zope/Plone/Content Management
W http://www.amaze.nl    E info@amaze.nl           Open Source Solutions
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From nick at notjustcc.com  Thu Jun  3 11:15:21 2004
From: nick at notjustcc.com (Nicola Paolucci)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:17:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: participation cancellation
In-Reply-To: <200406031347.i53DloQr017599@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031347.i53DloQr017599@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <14269.161.85.127.140.1086275721.squirrel@nocc.alfalayer.com>

Dear EuroPython,

I am the unluckiest of the Pythoneers.
Due to a Work Emergency I have been asked to cancel my partecipation at
the Conference at the last minute. I am pretty upset by that but have to
comply.

Is there a way to get a refund for the conference fee ?
I deeply apologyze for the inconvenience I might have caused.

Thanks,
Best regards,
    Nicola Paolucci

> The countdown for the Europython conference has begun.
>
> PROGRAMME
>
> Thanks to Reportlab, we have a configurable conference programme that
> you can generate and print yourself. Please note that we will not
> provide printed programmes at the conference. In order to save on
> costs we request that everyone brings their own copy.
>
> Daily schedules will be available.
>
> Instructions:
>
> - Connect to
> http://server.reportlab.com/cgi-bin/epc2004.cgi
> and follow the instructions on the web page.
> You will get a downloadable PDF file generated.
>
> MEETING UP SUNDAY
>
> I have been asked to nominate a place downtown for people to meet up
> on Sunday afternoon/evening. I have picked Gillestugan at Jarntorget.
> Trams 3, 6, 9, 11 go there. Close by is Linnegatan which is the main
> restaurant district in town and there are plenty of pubs in the area
> if the place gets filled up.
>
> ACCOMODATION
>
> If you have reserved accomodation through the conference registration,
> there are a few things you need to know:
>
> The reception is open the following hours:
> Saturday - Sunday 16.00 - 20.00
> Monday 15.00 - 19.00
> Tuesday - Friday 10.00 - 16.00
>
> If you arrive before the reception opens, you need to wait until it opens.
> If you need luggage lockers, the best place is the Central Station.
>
> If you are likely to arrive after opening hours, you need a code to access
> your room key. You get this code by talking to SGS Veckobostader
> Telephone: +46 31 708 13 30, Email: vb@sgsveckobostader.com. You need
> to tell them your name, that you are in the Europython reservation
> and when you are arriving.
> Bring the contact information in case you are delayed along the way.
>
> BREAKFAST FOR PEOPLE AT SGS
>
> There is a small shop just by SGS, where you can buy your own breakfast
> items. An expensive alternative is to buy breakfast at Hotel Panorama
> (very tall building 5 minutes walk away). There are also small eateries
> and bakeries between SGS and Chalmers that may be open in the early
> morning.
> School is out, so there is no breakfast available on campus.
>
> CONFERENCE START
>
> We will open the doors at 08.00. Please arrive early so you won't miss
> the beginning of the first talks. There is bound to be a queue.
>
> INVOICES
>
> If you need an invoice, we intend to have facilities to generate them at
> the conference.
>
>
>



From jacob at strakt.com  Thu Jun  3 11:32:27 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:32:34 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython - important attendee information
In-Reply-To: <40BF30FF.1000909@amaze.nl>
References: <200406031348.i53DmIMB017785@enzo.strakt.com>
	<40BF30FF.1000909@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <200406031732.27393.jacob@strakt.com>

On torsdag 3 juni 2004 16.09, Ivo van der Wijk wrote:
> Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> > The countdown for the Europython conference has begun.
> >
> > PROGRAMME
> >
> > Thanks to Reportlab, we have a configurable conference programme that
> > you can generate and print yourself. Please note that we will not
> > provide printed programmes at the conference. In order to save on
> > costs we request that everyone brings their own copy.
> >
> > Daily schedules will be available.
> >
> > Instructions:
> >
> > - Connect to
> > http://server.reportlab.com/cgi-bin/epc2004.cgi
> > and follow the instructions on the web page.
> > You will get a downloadable PDF file generated.
>
> Very nice. Unfortunately, the wrong logo is used for Amaze - the low-res
> 'circle with A' only weblogo in stead of the specially made vectorized one
> with 'Amaze' and 'www.zopesolutions.com' which I sent to Jacob.
>
> Can this be fixed?

I might be able to add a page with only your ad on it. Unfortunately I am not 
in control of the tools needed to rebuild the advertisment pages.

Jacob

From magnus at thinkware.se  Thu Jun  3 11:57:59 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Thu Jun  3 11:58:07 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBab3BlLm9yZyBEaXNjdXNzaW9u?=
Message-ID: <think001_40bf407d80820@webmail.thinkware.se>

> I heard [beer] was pretty expensive though :-(

Let's say that pub prices for good beer is an area where
we can't compete with Charleroi. Sorry. 

We still have high alcohol taxes and a sales monopoly on 
anything with more than 3.5% alcohol. Lately, a lot of foreign 
brewers have started to make 3.5% versions of their beer, so 
you can get Czeck beer or things like Bishops Finger in ordinary
stores if you don't mind that last %... But watch out for class 
I. That's almost alcohol free. It's as weak as american beer tastes!

The cheapest beer at the monopoly stores is about 1 euro for a 
half litre. These stores have a good selection, but the better
beer will cost more of course. See http://www.systembolaget.se/
Beer is "?l" in Swedish.

Beer prices (40 cl "real" beer) in G?teborg can bee seen at 
http://www2.aos.se/etc/barsbors/gbg.asp but I'm not sure it's
uptodate. The cheapest beer is at "John L's Pub" which is at 
Chalmers, although they close for the summer. Did I understand 
that they would be open for us? And I guess "the Summer Club" 
opens when John L's closes though. But only Tuesdays and 
Saturdays? I'm sure someone who hasn't been out of town since 
1997 can sort this out...

Something you can conclude from the pub beer price list above
is that you should avoid the main street "Avenyn" if you want
to drink (or eat) without spending so much money (although
some places seem to have relatively cheap beer until 10 pm).

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From michele.simionato at partecs.com  Thu Jun  3 12:20:22 2004
From: michele.simionato at partecs.com (Michele Simionato)
Date: Thu Jun  3 12:21:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython - important attendee information
In-Reply-To: <200406031348.i53DmxEY018131@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031348.i53DmxEY018131@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40BF4FC6.6090405@partecs.com>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:

>The countdown for the Europython conference has begun.
>
>PROGRAMME
>
>Thanks to Reportlab, we have a configurable conference programme that
>you can generate and print yourself. Please note that we will not
>provide printed programmes at the conference. In order to save on
>costs we request that everyone brings their own copy.
>
>Daily schedules will be available.
>
>Instructions:
>
>- Connect to
>http://server.reportlab.com/cgi-bin/epc2004.cgi
>and follow the instructions on the web page.
>You will get a downloadable PDF file generated.
>
>MEETING UP SUNDAY
>
>I have been asked to nominate a place downtown for people to meet up
>on Sunday afternoon/evening. I have picked Gillestugan at Jarntorget.
>Trams 3, 6, 9, 11 go there. Close by is Linnegatan which is the main
>restaurant district in town and there are plenty of pubs in the area
>if the place gets filled up.
>
>ACCOMODATION
>
>If you have reserved accomodation through the conference registration,
>there are a few things you need to know:
>
>The reception is open the following hours:
>Saturday - Sunday 16.00 - 20.00
>Monday 15.00 - 19.00
>Tuesday - Friday 10.00 - 16.00
>
>If you arrive before the reception opens, you need to wait until it opens.
>If you need luggage lockers, the best place is the Central Station.
>
>If you are likely to arrive after opening hours, you need a code to access
>your room key. You get this code by talking to SGS Veckobostader
>Telephone: +46 31 708 13 30, Email: vb@sgsveckobostader.com. You need
>to tell them your name, that you are in the Europython reservation
>and when you are arriving.
>Bring the contact information in case you are delayed along the way.
>
>BREAKFAST FOR PEOPLE AT SGS
>
>There is a small shop just by SGS, where you can buy your own breakfast
>items. An expensive alternative is to buy breakfast at Hotel Panorama
>(very tall building 5 minutes walk away). There are also small eateries
>and bakeries between SGS and Chalmers that may be open in the early morning.
>School is out, so there is no breakfast available on campus.
>
>CONFERENCE START
>
>We will open the doors at 08.00. Please arrive early so you won't miss
>the beginning of the first talks. There is bound to be a queue.
>
>INVOICES
>
>If you need an invoice, we intend to have facilities to generate them at
>the conference.
>  
>

You could at least have removed me from the mailing list.

       Michele Simionato

From russf at topia.com  Thu Jun  3 15:21:44 2004
From: russf at topia.com (Russ Ferriday)
Date: Thu Jun  3 15:22:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython - important attendee information
In-Reply-To: <200406031349.i53DnXbH018395@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031349.i53DnXbH018395@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <3FE5704F-B593-11D8-8137-000A95A54FFC@topia.com>

A quick Thank You, for the notes.
Best wishes,
--r.

?????????????????????
Russ Ferriday
iTec Solutions
(+1) (805) 748 1552
http://www.topia.com
On Jun 3, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> The countdown for the Europython conference has begun.
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From faassen at infrae.com  Fri Jun  4 04:09:00 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri Jun  4 04:09:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Extra rooms for sprinting - Maybe
In-Reply-To: <200406030834.i538YNX2019762@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org>
	<40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>	<40BEDA0B.2010905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200406030834.i538YNX2019762@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
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Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Thu, 03 Jun 2004 09:58:03 +0200, Dario_Lopez-K?sten writes:
> 
>>Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I have a possible access to an entire, currently unused, floor at a 
>>>location neraby the conference (basically it is the entire office floor
>>
>>>above my own offices). This will cost us nothing. The problems is that 
>>>there are some limitations:
>>
>>Tested the wifi. It works. Turns out or own wifi-stuff has fairly good 
>>coverage on the top floor, I get signal strenghts ranging from -35 dB to 
>> -20 dB or so...
>>
>>We cannot get any cabled net-access though...
>>

Though there will be for the speakers, right? It'd be fairly easy to 
place at least a few hubs there. Alternatively I assume the wireless 
access points also have a few ethernet exit points, which might be 
cabled together with a hub somewhere.

Regards,

Martijn

From stuart at stuartbishop.net  Fri Jun  4 04:13:00 2004
From: stuart at stuartbishop.net (Stuart Bishop)
Date: Fri Jun  4 04:13:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython - important attendee information
In-Reply-To: <200406031346.i53DkjZC017223@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031346.i53DkjZC017223@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <FEB6A981-B5FE-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>

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On 03/06/2004, at 3:46 PM, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> The countdown for the Europython conference has begun.
>
> PROGRAMME
>
> Thanks to Reportlab, we have a configurable conference programme that
> you can generate and print yourself. Please note that we will not
> provide printed programmes at the conference. In order to save on
> costs we request that everyone brings their own copy.

If someone has the capacity to bring along a few extra copies of
the full program, I'd appreciate one (and there might be some others
who arrived yeterday in G?teborg without access to a printer).

- --  
Stuart Bishop <stuart@stuartbishop.net>
http://www.stuartbishop.net/
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Jun  4 04:58:16 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri Jun  4 04:58:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Extra rooms for sprinting - Maybe
In-Reply-To: <40C02E1C.2080805@infrae.com>
References: <c9l0au$fn4$5@sea.gmane.org>
	<40BEC02B.5020808@ita.chalmers.se>	<40BEDA0B.2010905@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200406030834.i538YNX2019762@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<40C02E1C.2080805@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <40C039A8.1060208@ita.chalmers.se>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Though there will be for the speakers, right? It'd be fairly easy to 
> place at least a few hubs there. Alternatively I assume the wireless 
> access points also have a few ethernet exit points, which might be 
> cabled together with a hub somewhere.

Right, just to be *VERY* clear. The conference area is one thing, the 
sprint areas (plural) are another.

Thrughout Chalmers there is WiFi access i selected areas where there are 
Access Points. This WiFi net is called NOMAD and is accessible to the 
conference attendees with a login and password that will be delivered to 
them at the registration desk.

Each attendee will have to login to the network before they can access 
the Internet in general. This is done thru a special login-page.

In the rooms that are available for the conference, there will be 1 
(one) cabled access to the NOMAD network. NOMAD works with both Wireless 
and Cabled connection.

So we have, for generel public, authenticated acess to the Internet thru 
wireless and, for the speakers mostly, likwise access but with cable in 
the session rooms.

There will be no support for bringing "a couple of hubs and a wireless 
access point" to get ad-hoc connectivity. This is frowned upon and will 
*NOT* work with NOMAD-enabled Ethernet wallmounted sockets. There are 
some issues related to potential technical problems that will affect the 
Network

This is the service that is avaialbe for free and that works thoughout 
Chalmers.

If anyone for any reason wnats to have access to the internet through 
the Local Netwotk in a particualr building, we have to ask the faculty 
in charge of the IT-systems for tha building if it is possible for us to 
do so. Usually, this will lead to them asking us to use the NOMAD 
network because it is the simplest and easiset way to get access.

Now, what I was talkning about is the fact that I have managed to borrow 
an entire office floor for sprinters and other folks. This floor is 
empty and is situated above my own offices. The NOMAD network we use in 
our own offices leak through our roof up to this floor, and I have also 
asked if it would be possible to borrow an Access Point to enhance the 
NOMAD network further. This floor will *NOT* have cabled internet access 
- if anyone doesn't have a wireless card, we will probably have a few to 
lend to people.

So we have a nice and cosy floor for post-conference lounging and 
sprinters. I have just finished carrying 30 chairs and 15 tables so that 
we may have something to do sprinting on :-)

If there are any more questions regarding net Access, feel fre to ask them.

There is one item which is, as far as I know, not resolved. Streaming 
the Zope-track.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From tismer at stackless.com  Fri Jun  4 06:56:13 2004
From: tismer at stackless.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Fri Jun  4 06:54:34 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] I probably can't come
Message-ID: <40C0554D.5090401@stackless.com>

Hi friends,

due to personal problems, there is a 95 percent chance that
I cannot come to Gothenburg at all. I will know more in the
evening.

very sorry and sad - chris
-- 
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From erwin at andreasen.org  Fri Jun  4 09:16:14 2004
From: erwin at andreasen.org (Erwin S. Andreasen)
Date: Fri Jun  4 09:16:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Social event / dinner?
In-Reply-To: <200406031349.i53DnsCB018491@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031349.i53DnsCB018491@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0406041505290.1218@serenity.andreasen.org>

On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

Hi,

(I wonder if I'll be able to post to the EP list without subscription;
I'll CC Jacob just-in-case)

I'm wondering about Tuesday's social event / dinner. Is it a pre-paid
deal or just some place we'll go to? ?

I'm travelling to G?teborg with my girlfriend who will not be attending
the conference itself and I'm not sure I'll be able to come to the dinner
unless I can bring her along (naturally against some additional payment,
if the dinner cost was included in the conference fee).

-- 
===============================================================
<erwin@andreasen.org>                           Herlev, Denmark
<URL:http://www.andreasen.org/>                             <*>
===============================================================

From stuart at stuartbishop.net  Fri Jun  4 09:22:52 2004
From: stuart at stuartbishop.net (Stuart Bishop)
Date: Fri Jun  4 09:23:09 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] So where is everyone?
Message-ID: <48809E64-B62A-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>

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Any other early arrivals around?

There appears to be beer drinking on tomorrow, but I don't know
what time 'evening' is in a country with 18 hours of daylight or
who to look out for, not that I would recognize them if I did ;)

- --  
Stuart Bishop <stuart@stuartbishop.net>
http://www.stuartbishop.net/
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From bea at webwitches.com  Fri Jun  4 09:34:04 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Fri Jun  4 09:29:56 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] So where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <48809E64-B62A-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>
References: <48809E64-B62A-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>
Message-ID: <1086356044.26454.46.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 15:22, Stuart Bishop wrote:
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> Any other early arrivals around?
> 
> There appears to be beer drinking on tomorrow, but I don't know
> what time 'evening' is in a country with 18 hours of daylight or
> who to look out for, not that I would recognize them if I did ;)

heheh. Sorry, that was me... actually we have 24 hours of daylight
currently, at least up here (80 km from the Arctic Circle). So the
"normal" beer time is after 22:00...

They have food at the Dubliner, so one may want to meet for dinner,
really...

I'll add a time. Let's say 20.00 as a ballpark?

Cheers

bea

-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From lac at strakt.com  Fri Jun  4 09:47:27 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri Jun  4 09:47:34 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Social event / dinner? 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Erwin S. Andreasen" <erwin@andreasen.org> of "Fri,
	04 Jun 2004 15:16:14 +0200."
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0406041505290.1218@serenity.andreasen.org> 
References: <200406031349.i53DnsCB018491@enzo.strakt.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0406041505290.1218@serenity.andreasen.org> 
Message-ID: <200406041347.i54DlRoi025069@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Fri, 04 Jun 2004 15:16:14 +0200, "Erwin S. Andreasen" writes:
>On Thu, 3 Jun 2004, Jacob Hall?n wrote:
>
>Hi,
>
>(I wonder if I'll be able to post to the EP list without subscription;
>I'll CC Jacob just-in-case)
>
>I'm wondering about Tuesday's social event / dinner. Is it a pre-paid
>deal or just some place we'll go to? ?
>
>I'm travelling to G?teborg with my girlfriend who will not be attending
>the conference itself and I'm not sure I'll be able to come to the dinner
>unless I can bring her along (naturally against some additional payment,
>if the dinner cost was included in the conference fee).

It is pre-paid, but _of course_ we would like you to bring your
girlfriend along.  On day 1 I will be making a list of those people
who have extra people to bring.  

Looking forward to meeting you both,
Laura Creighton


From stuart at stuartbishop.net  Fri Jun  4 10:05:15 2004
From: stuart at stuartbishop.net (Stuart Bishop)
Date: Fri Jun  4 10:05:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] So where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <1086356044.26454.46.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
References: <48809E64-B62A-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>
	<1086356044.26454.46.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
Message-ID: <341C6B26-B630-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>

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On 04/06/2004, at 3:34 PM, Beatrice Fontaine wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-06-04 at 15:22, Stuart Bishop wrote:
>>
>> Any other early arrivals around?
>>
>> There appears to be beer drinking on tomorrow, but I don't know
>> what time 'evening' is in a country with 18 hours of daylight or
>> who to look out for, not that I would recognize them if I did ;)
>
> heheh. Sorry, that was me... actually we have 24 hours of daylight
> currently, at least up here (80 km from the Arctic Circle). So the
> "normal" beer time is after 22:00...
>
> They have food at the Dubliner, so one may want to meet for dinner,
> really...
>
> I'll add a time. Let's say 20.00 as a ballpark?

Sounds good. I'm the 5'10" unshaven Australian with the long pigtail
and short wife.

I might go and see a M??se tomorrow at the Slottskogen if the good
weather I ordered comes through in time (and I get some work done
tonight... ), and people are welcome to come bank on my door
before 10:30 if they want to tag along (137-31 SGS Vekob?stader).

- --  
Stuart Bishop <stuart@stuartbishop.net>
http://www.stuartbishop.net/
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From tismer at stackless.com  Fri Jun  4 11:11:25 2004
From: tismer at stackless.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Fri Jun  4 11:09:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: I probably can't come
In-Reply-To: <40C0554D.5090401@stackless.com>
References: <40C0554D.5090401@stackless.com>
Message-ID: <40C0911D.6040204@stackless.com>

Christian Tismer wrote:

> Hi friends,
> 
> due to personal problems, there is a 95 percent chance that
> I cannot come to Gothenburg at all. I will know more in the
> evening.

Now, it is 100 percent. I'm unhappy.

Have fun, all the best -- chris

-- 
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From fotios.basagiannis at jrc.it  Fri Jun  4 11:23:47 2004
From: fotios.basagiannis at jrc.it (Fotios Basagiannis)
Date: Fri Jun  4 11:23:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython conference 2004 lightning talk cancellation
Message-ID: <006f01c44a47$ee831d00$382abf8b@cs.jrc.it>

Hi there,

I regret to inform you that I will not be attending the conference as a very
urgent project that just came up requires my presence here. This becomes an
issue as I am also a lightning talk speaker.

I am trully sorry for any administrative burden this may cause.

Many thanks and apologies,

Fotios

-- 
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Cybersecurity Sector
Joint Research Center
European Commission 

phone:   0039 033278 9415 (Italy)  
e-mail:  fotios.basagiannis@jrc.it  
pgp key: http://fotios.cc/fotios_jrc.asc  


From nicodietrich at web.de  Fri Jun  4 12:36:56 2004
From: nicodietrich at web.de (Nico Dietrich)
Date: Fri Jun  4 12:37:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] accomodation
Message-ID: <40C0A528.3020608@web.de>

hej hej,

does anybody know if it's still possible to get into rooms in 
veckobost?der at the time of the conference?

are there free beds in existing 4-bed-rooms? (from sunday on)

thanks for an answer,
nico


-- 
Nicolas Dietrich
Sernanders V?g 6:335
75261 Uppsala
Sweden

Tel: 018-462986
nicodietrich@web.de
http://home.student.uu.se/nidi9661


From lac at strakt.com  Fri Jun  4 12:53:51 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri Jun  4 12:53:57 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] accomodation 
In-Reply-To: Message from Nico Dietrich <nicodietrich@web.de> 
	of "Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:36:56 +0200." <40C0A528.3020608@web.de> 
References: <40C0A528.3020608@web.de> 
Message-ID: <200406041653.i54GrpiU025839@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Fri, 04 Jun 2004 18:36:56 +0200, Nico Dietrich writes:
>hej hej,
>
>does anybody know if it's still possible to get into rooms in 
>veckobost?der at the time of the conference?
>
>are there free beds in existing 4-bed-rooms? (from sunday on)
>
>thanks for an answer,
>nico
>
>
>-- 
>Nicolas Dietrich
>Sernanders V?g 6:335
>75261 Uppsala
>Sweden
>
>Tel: 018-462986
>nicodietrich@web.de
>http://home.student.uu.se/nidi9661

No.  Everybody is full.  Sorry about that.  All of SGS is full too.

Laura

From magnus at thinkware.se  Fri Jun  4 13:11:26 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Fri Jun  4 13:11:34 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBhY2NvbW9kYXRpb24g?=
Message-ID: <think001_40c0aad3abce4@webmail.thinkware.se>

> >does anybody know if it's still possible to get into rooms in 
> >veckobost?der at the time of the conference?
> 
> No.  Everybody is full.  Sorry about that.  All of SGS is full too.

Maybe the best budget option now is to check youth hostels like the 
ones at Vegagatan, http://www.slottsskogenvh.se/ or 
http://www.vandrarhemmet-linne.com/ but you're really late...

Other options are http://www.minihotel.se/ or
http://www.mastenvandrarhem.com/

Phone them at once! (And don't forget to bring bed linen.)

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de  Sat Jun  5 05:18:27 2004
From: heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Sat Jun  5 05:20:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: So where is everyone?
In-Reply-To: <48809E64-B62A-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>
References: <48809E64-B62A-11D8-A37F-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>
Message-ID: <c9s38h$aq5$2@sea.gmane.org>

Stuart Bishop wrote:
> Any other early arrivals around?

Yeah I've arrived yesterday evening. I know that some more zope/plone 
people will arrive today.

> There appears to be beer drinking on tomorrow, but I don't know
> what time 'evening' is in a country with 18 hours of daylight or
> who to look out for, not that I would recognize them if I did ;)

Dario want's to organize a informal 'beer' meeting today with the early 
zope/plone people and the pypy's.

I'll try to get him on phone later and I'm going to ask him to post some 
informations for the people that don't know this lovly city.

You can email me (we have wifi in our hotel rooms) or call me: 
http://www.alltomgoteborg.tv4.se/E/V/GBGSE/0000/28/52/ room 634.

Christian


From faassen at infrae.com  Sat Jun  5 06:40:39 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat Jun  5 06:41:08 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: I probably can't come
In-Reply-To: <40C0911D.6040204@stackless.com>
References: <40C0554D.5090401@stackless.com> <40C0911D.6040204@stackless.com>
Message-ID: <40C1A327.70307@infrae.com>

Christian Tismer wrote:
> Christian Tismer wrote:
> 
>> Hi friends,
>>
>> due to personal problems, there is a 95 percent chance that
>> I cannot come to Gothenburg at all. I will know more in the
>> evening.
> 
> 
> Now, it is 100 percent. I'm unhappy.
> 
> Have fun, all the best -- chris
> 

Too bad, Christian.. Good luck!

Regards,

Martijn

From jim at zope.com  Sat Jun  5 13:59:08 2004
From: jim at zope.com (Jim Fulton)
Date: Sat Jun  5 13:59:12 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope 3 sprint page got wiped out
Message-ID: <40C209EC.9020601@zope.com>


And isn't editable.

Could someone add a link to:

http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/EuroPython2004ZopeSprint

Jim

-- 
Jim Fulton           mailto:jim@zope.com       Python Powered!
CTO                  (540) 361-1714            http://www.python.org
Zope Corporation     http://www.zope.com       http://www.zope.org


From lac at strakt.com  Sat Jun  5 14:50:28 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat Jun  5 14:50:32 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope 3 sprint page got wiped out 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> 
	of "Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:59:08 EDT." <40C209EC.9020601@zope.com> 
References: <40C209EC.9020601@zope.com> 
Message-ID: <200406051850.i55IoTIF029344@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:59:08 EDT, Jim Fulton writes:
>
>And isn't editable.
>
>Could someone add a link to:
>
>http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/EuroPython2004ZopeSprint
>
>Jim
>
>-- 
>Jim Fulton           mailto:jim@zope.com       Python Powered!
>CTO                  (540) 361-1714            http://www.python.org
>Zope Corporation     http://www.zope.com       http://www.zope.org
>

I made this here:
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004

which is what you should get to when you type the top tab of
Wiki on http://www.europython.org/

is this what you want? or should I do something else?

Laura Creighton, the wiki-impared

From jim at zope.com  Sat Jun  5 16:39:39 2004
From: jim at zope.com (Jim Fulton)
Date: Sat Jun  5 16:40:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope 3 sprint page got wiped out
In-Reply-To: <200406051850.i55IoTIF029344@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <40C209EC.9020601@zope.com>
	<200406051850.i55IoTIF029344@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40C22F8B.7030206@zope.com>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:59:08 EDT, Jim Fulton writes:
> 
>>And isn't editable.
>>
>>Could someone add a link to:
>>
>>http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/EuroPython2004ZopeSprint
>>
>>Jim
>>
>>-- 
>>Jim Fulton           mailto:jim@zope.com       Python Powered!
>>CTO                  (540) 361-1714            http://www.python.org
>>Zope Corporation     http://www.zope.com       http://www.zope.org
>>
> 
> 
> I made this here:
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004
> 
> which is what you should get to when you type the top tab of
> Wiki on http://www.europython.org/

Right. When I go there, the page shows up
as immutable. If I click the edit icon, I'm tols I'm not
allowed to edit it.

> is this what you want? or should I do something else?

That's great.

Thanks.

Jim

-- 
Jim Fulton           mailto:jim@zope.com       Python Powered!
CTO                  (540) 361-1714            http://www.python.org
Zope Corporation     http://www.zope.com       http://www.zope.org


From lac at strakt.com  Sat Jun  5 17:08:26 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat Jun  5 17:08:37 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope 3 sprint page got wiped out 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> 
	of "Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:39:39 EDT." <40C22F8B.7030206@zope.com> 
References: <40C209EC.9020601@zope.com>
	<200406051850.i55IoTIF029344@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<40C22F8B.7030206@zope.com> 
Message-ID: <200406052108.i55L8QTo029633@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Sat, 05 Jun 2004 16:39:39 EDT, Jim Fulton writes:
>Laura Creighton wrote:
>> In a message of Sat, 05 Jun 2004 13:59:08 EDT, Jim Fulton writes:
>> 
>>>And isn't editable.
>>>
>>>Could someone add a link to:
>>>
>>>http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/EuroPython2004ZopeSprint
>>>
>>>Jim
>>>
>>>-- 
>>>Jim Fulton           mailto:jim@zope.com       Python Powered!
>>>CTO                  (540) 361-1714            http://www.python.org
>>>Zope Corporation     http://www.zope.com       http://www.zope.org
>>>
>> 
>> 
>> I made this here:
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004
>> 
>> which is what you should get to when you type the top tab of
>> Wiki on http://www.europython.org/
>
>Right. When I go there, the page shows up
>as immutable. If I click the edit icon, I'm tols I'm not
>allowed to edit it.
>
>> is this what you want? or should I do something else?
>
>That's great.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Jim
>

I'll bet your problem is that in the top right, over the little
icons, you get something like 'UserPreferences' rather than
your name.  If your name is not there, you need to login before
you can edit the page.

Click on 'UserPreferences' and fill out the form, as per the
instructions on top.  At any rate, that is all that I did, and
now I can edit this page all I like.  

Hoping this works for you,
Laura -- no special Godess on python.org, just simple wiki user ...


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Sat Jun  5 18:19:39 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Sat Jun  5 18:19:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Zope.org Discussion - Monday, Room 2, 14:30?
In-Reply-To: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <40C246FB.1000200@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi Guys,

Finally started getting things sorted for going to Sweden, I noticed my 
UserFolders talk has got a whole hour blocked out.
I can probably squeeze the talk into half an hour or so...

That would leave the rest of the slot open for a discussion about my 
favourite(!) topic right now, Zope.org.

So that's what I'd like to do unless anyone has any violent objections.

Better still, Rob Page is going to be around on Monday and would be an important 
part of any Zope.org discussions...

That all said, how's best to advertise this discussion so we can get as many of 
the relevent people involved as possible?

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From ivo at amaze.nl  Sat Jun  5 18:30:21 2004
From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Sat Jun  5 18:28:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Dropping off stuff on sunday
Message-ID: <40C2497D.2010808@amaze.nl>

Hi all

One last quick question before we'll be leaving tomorrow: Is it possible to 
bring the promotional/tradeshow stuff on sunday? Monday morning when europython 
starts might be a bit late

	Ivo
-- 
Drs. I.R. van der Wijk                                      -=-
Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12                     Amaze Internet Services V.O.F.
1017 RC Amsterdam, NL                                       -=-
T +31-20-4688336         F +31-20-4688337       Zope/Plone/Content Management
W http://www.amaze.nl    E info@amaze.nl           Open Source Solutions
W http://vanderwijk.info E ivo@amaze.nl                 Consultancy
PGP http://vanderwijk.info/pgp

From huima at iki.fi  Sun Jun  6 01:49:51 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Sun Jun  6 01:51:44 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Zope.org Discussion - Monday, Room 2, 14:30?
In-Reply-To: <40C246FB.1000200@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
	<40C246FB.1000200@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <opr85rtd06iddoij@huima-pentium4>

On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:39 +0100, Chris Withers <chris@simplistix.co.uk>  
wrote:

> So that's what I'd like to do unless anyone has any violent objections.

No violent objections atleast from me ,-)

> That all said, how's best to advertise this discussion so we can get as  
> many of the relevent people involved as possible?

I think the best we can do is to talk about it dhroughout the day before  
your talk.

-- 
-huima


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Jun  6 03:58:09 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun Jun  6 03:58:17 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Dropping off stuff on sunday
In-Reply-To: <40C2497D.2010808@amaze.nl>
References: <40C2497D.2010808@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <40C2CE91.6050604@ita.chalmers.se>

Ivo van der Wijk wrote:

> Hi all
> 
> One last quick question before we'll be leaving tomorrow: Is it possible 
> to bring the promotional/tradeshow stuff on sunday? Monday morning when 
> europython starts might be a bit late
> 
>     Ivo

Yes, this can be arranged in a nearby building. I'd need to know what 
times you are thinking of (because I'll be a bit occupied from around 12 
to 16.00).

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From ivo at amaze.nl  Sun Jun  6 04:18:06 2004
From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Sun Jun  6 04:16:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Dropping off stuff on sunday
In-Reply-To: <40C2CE91.6050604@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <40C2497D.2010808@amaze.nl> <40C2CE91.6050604@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <40C2D33E.7030505@amaze.nl>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Ivo van der Wijk wrote:
> 
>> Hi all
>>
>> One last quick question before we'll be leaving tomorrow: Is it 
>> possible to bring the promotional/tradeshow stuff on sunday? Monday 
>> morning when europython starts might be a bit late
>>
>>     Ivo
> 
> 
> Yes, this can be arranged in a nearby building. I'd need to know what 
> times you are thinking of (because I'll be a bit occupied from around 12 
> to 16.00).
> 

I'll arrive at the airport at 17.30, so it won't be until 19.00 I think (and 
it's probably smart to go past Veckobost?der first as they close at 20.00)

What suits you between 1900-2100?


Cheers

	Ivo



> /dario
> 


-- 
Drs. I.R. van der Wijk                                      -=-
Korte Leidsedwarsstraat 12                     Amaze Internet Services V.O.F.
1017 RC Amsterdam, NL                                       -=-
T +31-20-4688336         F +31-20-4688337       Zope/Plone/Content Management
W http://www.amaze.nl    E info@amaze.nl           Open Source Solutions
W http://vanderwijk.info E ivo@amaze.nl                 Consultancy
PGP http://vanderwijk.info/pgp

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Jun  6 04:23:27 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun Jun  6 04:23:38 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Dropping off stuff on sunday
In-Reply-To: <40C2D33E.7030505@amaze.nl>
References: <40C2497D.2010808@amaze.nl> <40C2CE91.6050604@ita.chalmers.se>
	<40C2D33E.7030505@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <40C2D47F.6090706@ita.chalmers.se>

> 
> What suits you between 1900-2100?

give me a call at +46 31 772 8674.

I live quite close to both SGS and Chalmers, so we can arrange to meet 
within an 20 minutes or so.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From rob.page at zope.com  Sun Jun  6 07:58:44 2004
From: rob.page at zope.com (Rob Page)
Date: Sun Jun  6 07:58:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Zope.org Discussion - Monday, Room 2, 14:30?
In-Reply-To: <opr85rtd06iddoij@huima-pentium4>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
	<40C246FB.1000200@simplistix.co.uk>
	<opr85rtd06iddoij@huima-pentium4>
Message-ID: <DC7DB29D-B7B0-11D8-B020-000393D58818@zope.com>

No violence from me either.  :^)

On Jun 6, 2004, at 1:49 AM, Heimo Laukkanen wrote:

> On Sat, 05 Jun 2004 23:19:39 +0100, Chris Withers 
> <chris@simplistix.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> So that's what I'd like to do unless anyone has any violent 
>> objections.
>
> No violent objections atleast from me ,-)
>
>> That all said, how's best to advertise this discussion so we can get 
>> as many of the relevent people involved as possible?
>
> I think the best we can do is to talk about it dhroughout the day 
> before your talk.
>
> -- 
> -huima
>
>
-- 

Rob Page                V: 540.361.1710
Zope Corporation        F: 703.995.0412


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Sun Jun  6 08:57:43 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun Jun  6 08:58:09 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Zope.org Discussion - Monday, Room 2, 14:30?
In-Reply-To: <DC7DB29D-B7B0-11D8-B020-000393D58818@zope.com>
References: <40BC425C.4060206@simplistix.co.uk>
	<40C246FB.1000200@simplistix.co.uk>
	<opr85rtd06iddoij@huima-pentium4>
	<DC7DB29D-B7B0-11D8-B020-000393D58818@zope.com>
Message-ID: <40C314C7.3070004@simplistix.co.uk>

Rob Page wrote:
> No violence from me either.  :^)

Cool. Any chance of a plug in your morning talk?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Jun  6 10:14:00 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun Jun  6 10:14:07 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Spontanious BBQ at EPC tonight
Message-ID: <40C326A8.4040105@ita.chalmers.se>

hi folks,

a bunch of us is going to have an ad-hoc BBQ party tonight, at the park 
"Kemig?rden", (in between the Library Building, the Physics & 
Engineering Physics building and the Chemical and Biologixal Engineering 
buding).

We are planning on starting it at 19.30.

Anybody is welcome to join us - if so you'll have to bring your own food 
and drinks, or let us know you want to come, before 17.00 today, so that 
we can buy stuff for you.

Hope to see you there!

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.


From Laurie at awaytogetadate.com  Sun Jun  6 19:59:59 2004
From: Laurie at awaytogetadate.com (Blind Date Invitation)
Date: Sun Jun  6 19:02:36 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] An invitation has been sent to you.
Message-ID: <PDQXRBJDWGPZHKNPILGDNUPH@msn.com>

Gray skies are just clouds passing over.
Divorce is the sacrament of adultery.
You can't aim a duck to death.
We give advice, but we cannot give the wisdom to profit by it.
There were many times my pants were so thin I could sit on a dime and tell if it was heads or tails.
Fun can be the dessert of our lives but never its main course.
An actor is a guy who, if you ain't talking about him, he ain't listening.
You can't aim a duck to death.
The great actors are the luminous ones. They are the great conductors of the stage.
The only correct actions are those that demand no explanation and no apology.
I was born at the age of twelve on a Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer lot.
There are perhaps no days of our childhood we lived so fully as those we spent with a favorite book.
If I wasn't an actor, I'd be a secret agent.
How can you dare teach a man to read until you've taught him everything else first?
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From jeroen at vloothuis.net  Mon Jun  7 03:11:48 2004
From: jeroen at vloothuis.net (Jeroen Vloothuis)
Date: Mon Jun  7 03:11:52 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Live stream
Message-ID: <20040607071148.GA18244@o2w.nl>

The live stream for the Zope track is located at:
rtsp://docs.noterik.com:554/europython.sdp

It can be viewed using Quicktime.

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed Jun  9 08:36:22 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed Jun  9 08:36:33 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
Message-ID: <40C70446.5060501@ita.chalmers.se>


Hello fellow EuroPythoneers,

I was taken a bit by surprise by Jacobs informal poll about where to
host next year's EuroPython Conference - we had been preparing a
suggestion to host it at CERN in Geneve, and were not expecting to
present this until after the conference was over.

However, since almost 80% or more of the crowd yesterday voted for
G?teborg (yay! :-), we'd like to present CERN as a candidate for EPC 2006.

There has allready been some initial contacts with CERN and there is
some unofficial support for this. I quote:

     """
     okay - there is a real chance to get it organised. I found a
     lot of supporters. And I will have a second meeting with other
     people later this afternoon.
     """

and later on

     """
     The meeting yesterday afternoon was quite promising. Of course there
     is nothing official but after only two days of hard work I am quite
     impressed :-D
     """

CERN uses python quite a lot and a python conference in Geneve at the
very biggest research institute of europe is quite good for python
publicity.

What say you folks?

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.



From lac at strakt.com  Wed Jun  9 08:56:40 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed Jun  9 08:56:49 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dario_Lopez-Kästen <dario@ita.chalmers.se> 
   of "Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:36:22 +0200." <40C70446.5060501@ita.chalmers.se> 
References: <40C70446.5060501@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200406091256.i59Cue1P007558@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

I think that, for the future, it would be a good idea if people who
want to host a future EuroPython made their intention known
before the current EuroPython.  First of all, people might not
have been as enthusiastic about G?teborg if thye knew they
had Geneva as an alternative.  Second of all, EuroPython is
_the place to find the organisiers you want for your conference_.
You want to start building your team at the conference, not between
times.  

Laura, exhausted but happy

From ghum at gmx.net  Wed Jun  9 14:48:28 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed Jun  9 14:48:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] thanks and gratulation to all organizers & partizipans
Message-ID: <40C75B7C.7060702@gmx.net>

hello,

just arrived home ... and I'm really happy about all of Europython. It 
was a really great and well organized conference, I enjoyed being there!

And it was a very good experience to give talks at Europython, the 
audience was friendly and helpfull; I really liked to talk.

So: thanks to everyone; and especially to all the organizers!!!!

Harald

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From jeremiah at devmodul.com  Wed Jun  9 16:33:21 2004
From: jeremiah at devmodul.com (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Wed Jun  9 16:33:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] thanks and gratulation to all organizers &
	partizipans
In-Reply-To: <40C75B7C.7060702@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406091332200.13920-100000@devmodul.com>


I agree, it was a very good conference, Mark Shuttleworth was worth the 
entrance price alone. The dinner was excellent and the facilities were 
very good as well.

Jeremiah

On Wed, 9 Jun 2004, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> hello,
> 
> just arrived home ... and I'm really happy about all of Europython. It 
> was a really great and well organized conference, I enjoyed being there!
> 
> And it was a very good experience to give talks at Europython, the 
> audience was friendly and helpfull; I really liked to talk.
> 
> So: thanks to everyone; and especially to all the organizers!!!!
> 
> Harald
> 
> 


From huima at iki.fi  Wed Jun  9 17:21:11 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Wed Jun  9 17:21:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006 
In-Reply-To: <200406091603.i59G35L5018876@jokotaas.iki.fi>
References: <200406091603.i59G35L5018876@jokotaas.iki.fi>
Message-ID: <opr9cixlewiddoij@huima-pentium4>

> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2004 14:56:40 +0200
> From: Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com>
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006To: Dario_Lopez-K?sten  
> <dario@ita.chalmers.se>
>
> I think that, for the future, it would be a good idea if people who
> want to host a future EuroPython made their intention known
> before the current EuroPython.  First of all, people might not
> have been as enthusiastic about G?teborg if thye knew they
> had Geneva as an alternative.  Second of all, EuroPython is

One downside naturally to Geneva is the fact that it will be expensive for  
participants, unless there will be a campus accomodation or such. In any  
case I was extremely positively suprised about how well everything went at  
Chalmers and how much better the conference venue was compared to  
Charleroi even in simple things as acoustics.

For organizers I believe it is a good thing to allow them to do it again -  
and then switch. Atleast for me - if I would be a head organizer and host  
EP at Helsinki, I would definitely want to have the opportunity to improve  
everything after the first try.

If we keep the maximum of consecutive conferences in one location in two,  
everyone should be happy. Howvere as a fun thing we could during next EP  
have an official election/vote for next location of EP. It would be like  
in the olympic spirit that commitees from each willing team would pitch  
their town and participants to EP could give their vote on the subject.

For the pitch it would be nice if we figure out certain specifications  
that every candidate has to produce: arrangements for accomodation,  
approximated traveling costs for average participant, how much much people  
have to spend on public transportation, food etc. Size of the venue,  
description of the conference rooms, catering, what else the city has to  
offer for participants etc. All these issues are major contributors on how  
succesfull the conference will be, though for a single participant the  
total costs might be the single most important issue in choosing the  
location - if we exclude the program.

... oh. And thanks to every single person who managed things on location  
at G?teborg. It was truly a pleasure to see that mostly everything worked  
without any glitches, accomodation was excellent and what is most  
important -- participants liked it! You guys did an excellent job and I  
will be extremely happy to come again to G?teborg!

-- 
-huima


From heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de  Wed Jun  9 17:38:39 2004
From: heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Wed Jun  9 17:40:49 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <200406091256.i59Cue1P007558@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <40C70446.5060501@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200406091256.i59Cue1P007558@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <ca804n$spd$2@sea.gmane.org>

Laura Creighton wrote:
> I think that, for the future, it would be a good idea if people who
> want to host a future EuroPython made their intention known
> before the current EuroPython.  First of all, people might not
> have been as enthusiastic about G?teborg if thye knew they
> had Geneva as an alternative.  Second of all, EuroPython is
> _the place to find the organisiers you want for your conference_.
> You want to start building your team at the conference, not between
> times.  

Blame it on me :)
I got the idea on Saturday evening while having a beer with Dario and 
some other guys. We had a brain storming about the future of EP and I 
remembered that a friend of mine has told me about the usage of python 
at CERN.

I had a little conversation with him over ICQ. He is studying at the 
same university as I but he is at the CERN right now doing some 
research. He started asking some people very inofficially and we got 
positive results at the beginning of this week.
We decided not to make it public over all because we didn't had a yes 
from either the EP team nor the official CERN staff.

On the other hand it's very good that you didn't announced it at the 
last key note. Having the EP 2005 at CERN won't be easily possible 
because the time is too short but EP 2006 is likely possible.

I'm going th join the Plone sprint tomorrow and AFAIK Dario will be 
there, too. So if you want to talk about EP@CERN come to get me. I'm the 
  guy with long hair and glasses.

Christian


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Wed Jun  9 19:26:25 2004
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Wed Jun  9 19:29:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EPC 2005 and 2006
Message-ID: <6CE667E3-BA6C-11D8-8911-000A956649BC@cern.ch>

On 09.06.2004, at 23:38, Christian Heimes wrote:

> Laura Creighton wrote:
>> I think that, for the future, it would be a good idea if people who
>> want to host a future EuroPython made their intention known
>> before the current EuroPython.  First of all, people might not
>> have been as enthusiastic about G?teborg if thye knew they
>> had Geneva as an alternative.  Second of all, EuroPython is
>> _the place to find the organisiers you want for your conference_.
>> You want to start building your team at the conference, not between
>> times.
>
> Blame it on me :)
> I got the idea on Saturday evening while having a beer with Dario and  
> some other guys. We had a brain storming about the future of EP and I  
> remembered that a friend of mine has told me about the usage of python  
> at CERN.
>
> I had a little conversation with him over ICQ. He is studying at the  
> same university as I but he is at the CERN right now doing some  
> research.
Christian - a short update for you: I am not a student any more... :-)

> He started asking some people very inofficially and we got positive  
> results at the beginning of this week.
> We decided not to make it public over all because we didn't had a yes  
> from either the EP team nor the official CERN staff.
> On the other hand it's very good that you didn't announced it at the  
> last key note. Having the EP 2005 at CERN won't be easily possible  
> because the time is too short but EP 2006 is likely possible.

Just to give you some information about the possibilities at CERN:

Accomodation:
There are two on site hostel buildings:  
http://housing-service.web.cern.ch/housing-service/hotelrates.html and  
CERN gets special rates for several hotels. But I don't know anything  
about this special rates. The on site hostels are in principle only for  
students and scientific/academic staff. Maybe we can arrange something.

Conference Rooms:
Our idea would be to have the conference in this building:  
http://atlas.web.cern.ch/Atlas/GROUPS/MUON/Logistics/photos/ 
build40.jpg. This is the main building for the experiments ATLAS and  
CMS (no - definitly not what the plone people would think).
There are four rooms for parallel sessions with equipment for video  
conferences and several smaller meeting rooms (20 or 40 people). All  
rooms have at least one beamer (don't ask why you need more than one).

Computer infrastructure:
Every room has network outlets for 100MBit or sometimes 1GBit. Of  
course there is WLAN in the hole area around.

Public transport:
 From Geneva main station it takes 25 minutes by bus to get to CERN  
(about 2,30 SFr). From airport you need about 30 - 35 minutes.

Social activities:
You have the possibility to go to Geneva or to enjoy the countryside  
around. The Jura Mountains are not far away. For sports we have one  
football and one rugby field available at CERN.

CERN specials:
We can arrange special introductions for you to learn more about high  
energy physics and the role of cern in this business.

I found many important people supporting the idea of conferencing at  
CERN. There are more and more things here python is used for. For  
example grid computing tools or hiding C++ code from users which can  
easily access C++ libraries via a python interface (  
http://seal.web.cern.ch/seal/snapshot/work-packages/scripting/ 
index.html ).
Nevertheless it is still very unofficial since this idea is not that  
old (it raised four days ago) and in such a huge organisation things  
can take some time. But if the official people agree I have no doubt  
that we get everything I listed above.

As Dario already pointed out in his email a conference at CERN would be  
good publicity for python!

Ciao
Benedikt



From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 10 04:40:08 2004
From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Thu Jun 10 04:40:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006 
In-Reply-To: <200406091256.i59Cue1P007558@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> wrote:
> I think that, for the future, it would be a good idea if people who
> want to host a future EuroPython made their intention known
> before the current EuroPython.  First of all, people might not
> have been as enthusiastic about Göteborg if thye knew they
> had Geneva as an alternative.  Second of all, EuroPython is
> _the place to find the organisiers you want for your conference_.
> You want to start building your team at the conference, not between
> times.  

An idea that works in SF fandom is for folks who want to do the next
convention to host a booth and/or party to let folks know who they are
and what they're thinking of doing. I think encouraging this would be a
good thing. Set it up as an official part of the Con each year - and
then have a bidding party on the 3rd morning so it can be announced at
closing ceremonies - which brings me to closing ceremonies. I think
that it would be a good thing to have an official closing ceremony (at,
say, 1600) so folks all have a chance to get back together and feel
that things are officially *done*.

So - in short, add to the Con an official, formal encouragement of:

*  bidding parties/booths
*  closing ceremonies
*  formal vote and announcement of next year's con committee

cordially,
Anna

From jeremiah at devmodul.com  Thu Jun 10 06:45:58 2004
From: jeremiah at devmodul.com (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Thu Jun 10 06:47:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006 
In-Reply-To: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0406100343500.10219-100000@devmodul.com>

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004, Anna Ravenscroft wrote:
> closing ceremonies - which brings me to closing ceremonies. I think
> that it would be a good thing to have an official closing ceremony (at,
> say, 1600) so folks all have a chance to get back together and feel
> that things are officially *done*.

I agree, the conference just seemed to melt into the evening yesterday. 
I missed some people I had hoped to say good bye to.

I think a short farewelll would be suitable.

Best Regards,  

Jeremiah 


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu Jun 10 06:58:41 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu Jun 10 06:58:52 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>

Anna Ravenscroft wrote:
> 
> So - in short, add to the Con an official, formal encouragement of:
> 
> *  bidding parties/booths
> *  closing ceremonies
> *  formal vote and announcement of next year's con committee

hi, i've been having som emore contact with CERN regarding this matter.

While, I agree with Anna's proposal and think it is a great idea, it 
turns out that in this specific case, it is very hard for CERN to have 
this way of action.

Due to the nature of the administration of an isntitute the size of 
CERN, they need to be preparing the EPC 2006 from just about now to be 
able to organise it. There was a slight possiblity that having it in 
2005 would have been possible, but having it in 2006 is definitely a 
possibility.

They are very interested in hosting the EPC, but they need the certainty 
of having it.

So I propose that for this special case, we decide that EPC 2006 is to 
be held in CERN, and that we from there on go with Anna's proposal.

Regards,

/dario

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From JGSandMDS at aol.com  Thu Jun 10 16:09:29 2004
From: JGSandMDS at aol.com (JGSandMDS@aol.com)
Date: Thu Jun 10 16:09:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] An invitation has been sent to you.
Message-ID: <1c8.1a6b35d9.2dfa19f9@aol.com>

Hi got the invitation but couldnt access it. is this for  real?
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Jun 11 06:52:20 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri Jun 11 06:52:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Society bank account?
Message-ID: <40C98EE4.1050000@ita.chalmers.se>

Hello,

I received a report from a conference attendee that his payment to the 
EuroPython bank account bounced, and the reason for this was that the 
bank account was "closed".

Can anyone with sufficient insight look into this?

Thanks,

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri Jun 11 07:01:40 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri Jun 11 07:01:49 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Society bank account?
In-Reply-To: <40C98EE4.1050000@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <40C98EE4.1050000@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <40C99114.3090301@ita.chalmers.se>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I received a report from a conference attendee that his payment to the 
> EuroPython bank account bounced, and the reason for this was that the 
> bank account was "closed".
> 
> Can anyone with sufficient insight look into this?
> 
> Thanks,

Ouch! that didn't sound exactly right. This mail was supposed to go to 
Jacob and Laura in private.

*Never* install software and send mail at the same time :-P

Anyway, I am just wondering if it was the transfer that went wrong, if 
their bank that did something wrong and if we have any means of doing 
some research on our end.

And yes, I did send a new mail :-)

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From jacob at strakt.com  Fri Jun 11 09:29:45 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri Jun 11 09:29:51 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Society bank account?
In-Reply-To: <40C98EE4.1050000@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <40C98EE4.1050000@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200406111529.45306.jacob@strakt.com>

On fredag 11 juni 2004 12.52, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I received a report from a conference attendee that his payment to the
> EuroPython bank account bounced, and the reason for this was that the
> bank account was "closed".
>
> Can anyone with sufficient insight look into this?

The bank decided to close our Euro account and open a new one when they 
registered our organisation number. Apparently their routines required this. 
I have the papers at the office, and I'll mail out the new number early next 
week.

Jacob

From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 11 09:34:51 2004
From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft)
Date: Fri Jun 11 09:34:54 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <20040611133451.39627.qmail@web60403.mail.yahoo.com>


--- Dario_Lopez-Kästen <dario@ita.chalmers.se> wrote:
> Anna Ravenscroft wrote:
> > 
> > So - in short, add to the Con an official, formal encouragement of:
> > 
> > *  bidding parties/booths
> > *  closing ceremonies
> > *  formal vote and announcement of next year's con committee
> 
> hi, i've been having som emore contact with CERN regarding this
> matter.
> 
> While, I agree with Anna's proposal and think it is a great idea, it 
> turns out that in this specific case, it is very hard for CERN to
> have 
> this way of action.
> 
> Due to the nature of the administration of an isntitute the size of 
> CERN, they need to be preparing the EPC 2006 from just about now to
> be 
> able to organise it. There was a slight possiblity that having it in 
> 2005 would have been possible, but having it in 2006 is definitely a 
> possibility.
> 
> They are very interested in hosting the EPC, but they need the
> certainty 
> of having it.
> 
> So I propose that for this special case, we decide that EPC 2006 is
> to 
> be held in CERN, and that we from there on go with Anna's proposal.

Better yet, use the fact that we know ahead of time to give time for
folks to work up their proposals for 2007. They can host a proposal
party/hospitality suite/booth at EP 2005, and have plenty of time to
prep. 

Something else that works well, in fandom, is the idea that you have
"heads" of areas and "subheads" who are kind of willing to step up and
be in charge of particular areas. subheads basically have a chance to
see how the heads did it and learn from them. (kinda like pair
programming between an experienced and inexperienced programmer) 

It may be worth considering. 

Anna

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun Jun 13 05:01:51 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun Jun 13 05:04:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>
	<40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <40CC17FF.1010306@infrae.com>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
[snip snip]
> They are very interested in hosting the EPC, but they need the certainty 
> of having it.
> 
> So I propose that for this special case, we decide that EPC 2006 is to 
> be held in CERN, and that we from there on go with Anna's proposal.

Sounds good to me. CERN would be great! Goteborg worked out really well 
and I wouldn't mind it happening there again next year. After that it 
has got to move though.

Let's give it a month before we commit to CERN 2006 (or even Goteborg 
2005) though. This way people have the time to respond with other 
suggestions.

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun Jun 13 05:18:45 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun Jun 13 05:21:08 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
Message-ID: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>

Hi there,

I really enjoyed the conference a lot. There was a mix of very 
interesting people, plenty of interesting talks, good facilities. 
Attendee count is still rising. Overall it's in the steady line of 
improvement EuroPython has seen from the beginning. Price of 
accomodation was nice and low and it was a lot of fun having lots of 
people staying in the same complex. The conference dinner was impressive.

The post conference sprint area was wonderful; I really enjoyed thursday 
and friday.

It's however difficult to talk about the things that went well very 
long, so while it's still fresh in my mind, I'll complain about some 
things that could be improved. Please take it as constructive criticism; 
I think the conference was a resounding success but we can make it even 
better.

   * room reservation needs to be made more flexible somehow. I think 
many people had to extend their stay forward or backwards into time, and 
handling this caused a lot of overhead for the organizers as well.

   * rooms should have had clear numbers from the beginning. The 
letter->number mapping is bad usability, and a bug in it sent me off to 
the wrong room. I didn't understand why room numbers got shuffled again 
after day 1. Is this because the program would otherwise unfairly 
allocate the larger rooms to the same track multiple times? If so, we 
need to make sure the program does the right shuffling itself.

   * lunch break was too short/crowded. Especially on day 1 when nobody 
knew what to do yet, there was an enormous queue. On later days we 
avoided this mostly by leaving for lunch early or later, but we didn't 
know this in advance. As a track chair I had trouble making it in time 
on day 1 as I just came out of a talk and had to go into the talk after 
lunch directly after. People were trickling back 10 minutes after the 
talks had officially already started. I appreciated lunch being so 
nearby, but we need to figure out a better way to manage these for next 
year. Perhaps a simple warning would've done the trick.

   * we didn't really mind standing up, but some rooms didn't have 
enough chairs available to host a panel discussion.

   * I do not know what can be done, but the beamers were extremely 
fickle, even more so than usual. I tested a presentation monday morning 
on the beamer, saw it worked, and then when the time came my laptop was 
needed for the actual presentation the resolution was all off. At two 
instances during my track alone the beamer could basically not be made 
to work at all. I witnessed several other talks with beamer problems.

   * Due to a bizarre mistake, I got a baby pink conference tshirt for 
some reason. I think next year we need more quality control over tshirt 
colors. :)

Regards,

Martijn

From nico at logilab.fr  Sun Jun 13 05:45:48 2004
From: nico at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Sun Jun 13 05:46:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
In-Reply-To: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
References: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <20040613094548.GA4429@crater.logilab.fr>

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 11:18:45AM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:

> after day 1. Is this because the program would otherwise unfairly 
> allocate the larger rooms to the same track multiple times? If so, we 
> need to make sure the program does the right shuffling itself.
> 
>   * we didn't really mind standing up, but some rooms didn't have 
> enough chairs available to host a panel discussion.

It would be nice to have an on-line poll on the website for next year
to try figure out in advance what tracks/talks people intend to attend to.

In the Science Track, some talks had up to four or five times as much people
when compared to the less attended ones. For most of the Zope talks I attented
I had to stand for the room was full. Having some numbers ahead of time could
let us decide on what rooms to affect to what track, or how to order the talks
in the planning.

If interest for tracks/talks are made part of the user profile, I'll
volunteer to write a script that makes sense out of the data.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From lac at strakt.com  Sun Jun 13 06:09:15 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sun Jun 13 06:11:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh 
In-Reply-To: Message from Martijn Faassen <faassen@infrae.com> 
	of "Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:18:45 +0200." <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com> 
References: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com> 
Message-ID: <200406131009.i5DA9FxJ017981@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:18:45 +0200, Martijn Faassen writes:
>Hi there,
>
>I really enjoyed the conference a lot. There was a mix of very 
>interesting people, plenty of interesting talks, good facilities. 
>Attendee count is still rising. Overall it's in the steady line of 
>improvement EuroPython has seen from the beginning. Price of 
>accomodation was nice and low and it was a lot of fun having lots of 
>people staying in the same complex. The conference dinner was impressive.
>
>The post conference sprint area was wonderful; I really enjoyed thursday 
>and friday.
>
>It's however difficult to talk about the things that went well very 
>long, so while it's still fresh in my mind, I'll complain about some 
>things that could be improved. Please take it as constructive criticism; 
>I think the conference was a resounding success but we can make it even 
>better.
>
>   * room reservation needs to be made more flexible somehow. I think 
>many people had to extend their stay forward or backwards into time, and 
>handling this caused a lot of overhead for the organizers as well.

I got the bulk of this problem, and I already have a solution in the works.

>
>   * rooms should have had clear numbers from the beginning. The 
>letter->number mapping is bad usability, and a bug in it sent me off to 
>the wrong room. I didn't understand why room numbers got shuffled again 
>after day 1. Is this because the program would otherwise unfairly 
>allocate the larger rooms to the same track multiple times? If so, we 
>need to make sure the program does the right shuffling itself.

This we can only do if we can collect info on where people are going to
attend before they get to the conference.  Our problem was that we
were _wrong_ when we guessed which tracks were to be the most popular,
and we needed to give the poor crowded Zope people a larger room.
We still had crowding problems.

>
>   * lunch break was too short/crowded. Especially on day 1 when nobody 
>knew what to do yet, there was an enormous queue. On later days we 
>avoided this mostly by leaving for lunch early or later, but we didn't 
>know this in advance. As a track chair I had trouble making it in time 
>on day 1 as I just came out of a talk and had to go into the talk after 
>lunch directly after. People were trickling back 10 minutes after the 
>talks had officially already started. I appreciated lunch being so 
>nearby, but we need to figure out a better way to manage these for next 
>year. Perhaps a simple warning would've done the trick.

Maybe.  Expecting 2 or 3 walk-ins, as happened in Charleroi, and getting
25 or so on Monday also stressed the system.

>
>   * we didn't really mind standing up, but some rooms didn't have 
>enough chairs available to host a panel discussion.

There were chairs you could have used all over the closed restaurant downstairs.
Maybe we need to do something so that track chairs and others know that they
are encouraged to make such alterations?

>
>   * I do not know what can be done, but the beamers were extremely 
>fickle, even more so than usual. I tested a presentation monday morning 
>on the beamer, saw it worked, and then when the time came my laptop was 
>needed for the actual presentation the resolution was all off. At two 
>instances during my track alone the beamer could basically not be made 
>to work at all. I witnessed several other talks with beamer problems.

Yes.  This was, I think the greatest failing ...

>
>   * Due to a bizarre mistake, I got a baby pink conference tshirt for 
>some reason. I think next year we need more quality control over tshirt 
>colors. :)

hee hee.

>
>Regards,
>
>Martijn


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Jun 13 06:46:48 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun Jun 13 06:46:57 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
In-Reply-To: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
References: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <40CC3098.9000509@ita.chalmers.se>

Martijn Faassen wrote:

>   * Due to a bizarre mistake, I got a baby pink conference tshirt for 
> some reason. I think next year we need more quality control over tshirt 
> colors. :)

hm... I am pretty sure you wanted a pink one... must have been on one of 
the IRC meetings ;-)

/dario

-- 
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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Jun 13 06:51:27 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun Jun 13 06:51:33 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
In-Reply-To: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
References: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <40CC31AF.5080902@ita.chalmers.se>

Martijn Faassen wrote:

>   * I do not know what can be done, but the beamers were extremely 
> fickle, even more so than usual. I tested a presentation monday morning 
> on the beamer, saw it worked, and then when the time came my laptop was 
> needed for the actual presentation the resolution was all off. At two 
> instances during my track alone the beamer could basically not be made 
> to work at all. I witnessed several other talks with beamer problems.

I was not aware of this issue until i heard about it on the third day,so 
I could not do anything about it. I have never experinced anything like 
that myself (and one of the beamers is one I use regularly), but I was 
told it might have been something with the settings on the beamers 
themselves.

It would help to get some sort of stats regarding what machines and what 
OS'es people used to try to nail it down. That is, if it's possible.

/dario


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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun Jun 13 08:47:15 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun Jun 13 08:51:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
In-Reply-To: <20040613094548.GA4429@crater.logilab.fr>
References: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com>
	<20040613094548.GA4429@crater.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <40CC4CD3.2030803@infrae.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 11:18:45AM +0200, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> 
>>after day 1. Is this because the program would otherwise unfairly 
>>allocate the larger rooms to the same track multiple times? If so, we 
>>need to make sure the program does the right shuffling itself.
>>
>>  * we didn't really mind standing up, but some rooms didn't have 
>>enough chairs available to host a panel discussion.
> 
> 
> It would be nice to have an on-line poll on the website for next year
> to try figure out in advance what tracks/talks people intend to attend to.

This had nothing to do with the *people* not having a seat (though it 
was overfull in many places anyway). This was just the panel not being 
able to sit down.

> In the Science Track, some talks had up to four or five times as much people
> when compared to the less attended ones. For most of the Zope talks I attented
> I had to stand for the room was full. Having some numbers ahead of time could
> let us decide on what rooms to affect to what track, or how to order the talks
> in the planning.

I've also seen Python language track talks being overfull several times.

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun Jun 13 08:51:42 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun Jun 13 08:54:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
In-Reply-To: <200406131009.i5DA9FxJ017981@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
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Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Sun, 13 Jun 2004 11:18:45 +0200, Martijn Faassen writes:

>>  * lunch break was too short/crowded. Especially on day 1 when nobody 
>>knew what to do yet, there was an enormous queue. On later days we 
>>avoided this mostly by leaving for lunch early or later, but we didn't 
>>know this in advance. As a track chair I had trouble making it in time 
>>on day 1 as I just came out of a talk and had to go into the talk after 
>>lunch directly after. People were trickling back 10 minutes after the 
>>talks had officially already started. I appreciated lunch being so 
>>nearby, but we need to figure out a better way to manage these for next 
>>year. Perhaps a simple warning would've done the trick.
> 
> 
> Maybe.  Expecting 2 or 3 walk-ins, as happened in Charleroi, and getting
> 25 or so on Monday also stressed the system.

Well, next time perhaps people can be informed of this possible 
crowding. A brief track chair meeting on monday before the start 
could've helped clear up quite a few points.

>>  * we didn't really mind standing up, but some rooms didn't have 
>>enough chairs available to host a panel discussion.

> There were chairs you could have used all over the closed restaurant downstairs.
> Maybe we need to do something so that track chairs and others know that they
> are encouraged to make such alterations?

At the morning of day 1 I had no idea that there was a closed restaurant 
available to get chairs from, let alone that I was encouraged to make 
alterations. :)

Regards,

Martijn

From tom at aragne.com  Sun Jun 13 11:28:19 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (tom)
Date: Sun Jun 13 11:28:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] while it's fresh
References: <40CC1BF5.2010907@infrae.com> <40CC31AF.5080902@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <02ca01c4515b$0f412d60$6e7ba8c0@simkin>

>   * I do not know what can be done, but the beamers were extremely
> fickle, even more so than usual. I tested a presentation monday morning
> on the beamer, saw it worked, and then when the time came my laptop was
> needed for the actual presentation the resolution was all off. At two
> instances during my track alone the beamer could basically not be made
> to work at all. I witnessed several other talks with beamer problems.

I was not aware of this issue until i heard about it on the third day,so
I could not do anything about it. I have never experinced anything like
that myself (and one of the beamers is one I use regularly), but I was
told it might have been something with the settings on the beamers
themselves.

It would help to get some sort of stats regarding what machines and what
OS'es people used to try to nail it down. That is, if it's possible.

[Tom:]
Yes, this was something bad that happened (ie projector probles) at the
conference, which was -besides some other minor issues- great (conference
dinner, nice auditoria, ...) . I don't know if we had these problems in
Chareleroi as well (I was mostly not able to attend the tracks). At
Chareleroi we had hired a professional person for the projectors, which can
help more (but is also more costly).

What I propose is the following:

1. Drop a switchbox next to the projector and place a default pc which is
tested beforehand. Now, with the switchbox, people can use their own pc for
a presentation, but if things go wrong, people can just take the default pc
(they do need to have their presentation dropped on the network, usb or cd
beforehand)

2. Use eg kingston locks for locking the default pc and projector, so the
projectors and default pc's don't have to be moved during evenings, noon,
etc

Thursday, I started on a document writing some things down which could be
used as a checklist for other conference organisers. This document just is
way to pass experience from previous conferences to others.

Regards,
Tom.


From tom at aragne.com  Sun Jun 13 11:38:50 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (tom)
Date: Sun Jun 13 11:38:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
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Hi,

CERN would be nice indeed, but I wouldn't -right now- decide to move to CERN
next year. At the last keynote, people have voted to have the conference
again one year in G?teborg.

I think it was a very nice idea of Anna(?), to let future organisers set up
a boot at the conference to make people warm about their places. In the past
we didn't had much volunteers to organise EuroPython, now it seems more
people are interested in organising a congress (I spoke several people
interested in organising EP). And it is nice to have an idea what the future
organisers have to offer.

Some ideas I have:

1. It is allowed to have EP organised two successive years. But then it
should move to another country (if other people are interested...). I think
we all still agree on this point (ie that the intention is to let the
conference move). But I also agree on the fact to let the conference stay
for 2 years at the same place (if the people are still willing to organise
:-))
2. It might be good (if possible) that when the conference moves, it moves
to a cheaper or expensiver country. This way the less fortunate people can
at least get to the conference in min every 2 years.

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martijn Faassen" <faassen@infrae.com>
To: "Dario Lopez-K?sten" <dario@ita.chalmers.se>
Cc: <Benedikt.hegner@cern.ch>; "Anna Ravenscroft" <rev_anna_r@yahoo.com>;
<europython@python.org>; "Laura Creighton" <lac@strakt.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 11:01 AM
Subject: [Tom] Re: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006


> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> [snip snip]
> > They are very interested in hosting the EPC, but they need the certainty
> > of having it.
> >
> > So I propose that for this special case, we decide that EPC 2006 is to
> > be held in CERN, and that we from there on go with Anna's proposal.
>
> Sounds good to me. CERN would be great! Goteborg worked out really well
> and I wouldn't mind it happening there again next year. After that it
> has got to move though.
>
> Let's give it a month before we commit to CERN 2006 (or even Goteborg
> 2005) though. This way people have the time to respond with other
> suggestions.
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun Jun 13 17:02:09 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun Jun 13 17:02:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <02d801c4515c$86f6f870$6e7ba8c0@simkin>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
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tom wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> CERN would be nice indeed, but I wouldn't -right now- decide to move to CERN
> next year. At the last keynote, people have voted to have the conference
> again one year in G?teborg.

The proposal is not for CERN next year, it is for CERN 2006.

Cheers,

/dario

-- 
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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jun 14 06:04:27 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jun 14 06:04:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
	<40CC17FF.1010306@infrae.com>
	<02d801c4515c$86f6f870$6e7ba8c0@simkin>
	<40CCC0D1.1080306@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <003401c451f7$03bce6e0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>

Hi,

Yes, I know, but I still think other groups are allowed to offer their
initiatives too. It doesn't mean that a group needs to prepare a
conference from more than a year in advance, that they are immediatelly
selected as the organisers voor 2006. Other groups should still get a
change.

This is solely my opninion of course, the EPC members and the community
have their opinion too.

There are two options:

1) Because CERN needs to organise a conference 1.5 years ahead, we can
decide now to allow them to organise it in 2006

2) We allow other groups to offer their initiative for 2006. If not CERN
is selected, then CERN can offer their initiative in 2006, so they can
organise it in 2007 or 2008.

I just mean that we don't have to take immediate decisions, because of
some external factors

Tom.

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> tom wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> CERN would be nice indeed, but I wouldn't -right now- decide to move
>> to CERN next year. At the last keynote, people have voted to have
>> the conference again one year in G?teborg.
>
> The proposal is not for CERN next year, it is for CERN 2006.
>
> Cheers,
>
> /dario


From heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Jun 14 06:16:51 2004
From: heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Mon Jun 14 06:15:37 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <003401c451f7$03bce6e0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>
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Tom Deprez wrote:
| 1) Because CERN needs to organise a conference 1.5 years ahead, we can
| decide now to allow them to organise it in 2006
|
| 2) We allow other groups to offer their initiative for 2006. If not CERN
| is selected, then CERN can offer their initiative in 2006, so they can
| organise it in 2007 or 2008.

Negative Houston!

Right now 2006 is the only change to get CERN for the next few years.
It's not the CERN that is offering the hosting of EP it's a few people
that are trying to convince some important people at the CERN to host
the EP 2006.

The good news: Right now it looks very good for us.

The bad news: If we don't grab the chance it may get lost.

Christian
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Jun 14 06:22:30 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon Jun 14 06:22:41 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <003401c451f7$03bce6e0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
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Tom Deprez wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Yes, I know, but I still think other groups are allowed to offer their
> initiatives too. It doesn't mean that a group needs to prepare a
> conference from more than a year in advance, that they are immediatelly
> selected as the organisers voor 2006. Other groups should still get a
> change.
> 

Tom, please. CERN 2006 is a PROPOSAL. It is not decided yet. I propagate 
for CERN because 2006 I think it would be a boost for the Python 
Community and because I want "Particle Accelerators: The Guided Tour" if 
there is such a thing.

Any other people that have a PROPOSAL are welcome to enter theirs. So 
far, there is G?teborg for 2005, and CERN for 2006. None other, unless 
of course, you or someone else is preparing one.

What exactly gave you the impression that things have been unulateraly 
decided? I do believe the community has learnt their lesson from last 
year...

 > There are two options:
 >
 > 1) Because CERN needs to organise a conference 1.5 years ahead, we can
 > decide now to allow them to organise it in 2006
 >
 > 2) We allow other groups to offer their initiative for 2006. If not
 > CERN is selected, then CERN can offer their initiative in 2006, so
 > they can organise it in 2007 or 2008.
 >
 > I just mean that we don't have to take immediate decisions, because of
 > some external factors

Actually, because of the people wanting to organise it are there now, 
2007 and 2008 might not be possible to organise at CERN, because they 
may no be there then. Also, CERN has stated that they themselves would 
need som time ahead to be able to organsie everything, beacause of them 
being such a large organisation.

So yes, there are some external factors that may come into play. 
However, let's not assume that there are problems a priori. Let's face 
them when we actually see them coming.

In the meantime, I encourage those that have actual proposals (or at 
least a suggestion) to step forward and announce their willingness to 
host EPC in 2005 and 2006 (or 2007, 2008... :)

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jun 14 06:40:32 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jun 14 06:42:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>
	<40CC17FF.1010306@infrae.com>
	<02d801c4515c$86f6f870$6e7ba8c0@simkin>
	<40CCC0D1.1080306@ita.chalmers.se>
	<003401c451f7$03bce6e0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>
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Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Yes, I know, but I still think other groups are allowed to offer
>> their initiatives too. It doesn't mean that a group needs to prepare
>> a conference from more than a year in advance, that they are
>> immediatelly selected as the organisers voor 2006. Other groups
>> should still get a change.
>>
>
> Tom, please. CERN 2006 is a PROPOSAL. It is not decided yet. I
> propagate for CERN because 2006 I think it would be a boost for the
> Python Community and because I want "Particle Accelerators: The
> Guided Tour" if there is such a thing.
>
> Any other people that have a PROPOSAL are welcome to enter theirs. So
> far, there is G?teborg for 2005, and CERN for 2006. None other, unless
> of course, you or someone else is preparing one.

We aren't preparing one :-).
I only heard other peoples at the conference stressing out they were
interesting in organising one. Of course, if these people don't react,
then CERN it will be. The only thing is that it seems that CERN needs to
be quickly decided which will give the others no time to prepare a
proposal. It would also mean four succesive conferences in the more rich
countries of Europe (which might leave some people -who are not able to
come- out of the running for some years)

> What exactly gave you the impression that things have been unulateraly
> decided? I do believe the community has learnt their lesson from last
> year...

Uehm, nothing yet. It's just that it seems to be decided very soon,
which gives me the idea of
I just gave my ideas on the subject. No impression at all. I don't think
my mails give this impression (if they do, be sure to know, I didn't
want to give that impression), I just want to discuss on the subject
like other people do too.


>
>  > There are two options:
>  >
>  > 1) Because CERN needs to organise a conference 1.5 years ahead, we
>  can > decide now to allow them to organise it in 2006
>  >
>  > 2) We allow other groups to offer their initiative for 2006. If not
>  > CERN is selected, then CERN can offer their initiative in 2006, so
>  > they can organise it in 2007 or 2008.
>  >
>  > I just mean that we don't have to take immediate decisions,
>  because of > some external factors
>
> Actually, because of the people wanting to organise it are there now,
> 2007 and 2008 might not be possible to organise at CERN, because they
> may no be there then. Also, CERN has stated that they themselves would
> need som time ahead to be able to organsie everything, beacause of
> them being such a large organisation.
>
> So yes, there are some external factors that may come into play.
> However, let's not assume that there are problems a priori. Let's face
> them when we actually see them coming.
>
> In the meantime, I encourage those that have actual proposals (or at
> least a suggestion) to step forward and announce their willingness to
> host EPC in 2005 and 2006 (or 2007, 2008... :)

Yup,yup.

tom.


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon Jun 14 06:52:33 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon Jun 14 06:52:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <006601c451fc$4cea52d0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>	<40CC17FF.1010306@infrae.com>	<02d801c4515c$86f6f870$6e7ba8c0@simkin>	<40CCC0D1.1080306@ita.chalmers.se>	<003401c451f7$03bce6e0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>	<40CD7C66.8030402@ita.chalmers.se>
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Tom Deprez wrote:

> I only heard other peoples at the conference stressing out they were
> interesting in organising one. Of course, if these people don't react,
> then CERN it will be. The only thing is that it seems that CERN needs to
> be quickly decided which will give the others no time to prepare a
> proposal. It would also mean four succesive conferences in the more rich
> countries of Europe (which might leave some people -who are not able to
> come- out of the running for some years)

but that is a problem for everyone - the longer away from one's own 
country the conference is held, the more expensive it gets.

As a comparison, I believe that Belgium was quite expensive too (or am I 
mistaken?).

But yes, Switserland (sp?) and Genea are epxensive towns (dunno about he 
hotels though).

let's just hope someone steps forward to organise the conference in a 
less expensive country, if there are still such countries in europe by 
2005/2006 :-)

/dario

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From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jun 14 07:51:04 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jun 14 07:51:11 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
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References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>
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On m?ndag 14 juni 2004 12.52, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Tom Deprez wrote:
> > I only heard other peoples at the conference stressing out they were
> > interesting in organising one. Of course, if these people don't react,
> > then CERN it will be. The only thing is that it seems that CERN needs to
> > be quickly decided which will give the others no time to prepare a
> > proposal. It would also mean four succesive conferences in the more rich
> > countries of Europe (which might leave some people -who are not able to
> > come- out of the running for some years)
>
> but that is a problem for everyone - the longer away from one's own
> country the conference is held, the more expensive it gets.
>
> As a comparison, I believe that Belgium was quite expensive too (or am I
> mistaken?).
>
> But yes, Switserland (sp?) and Genea are epxensive towns (dunno about he
> hotels though).
>
> let's just hope someone steps forward to organise the conference in a
> less expensive country, if there are still such countries in europe by
> 2005/2006 :-)
>
> /dario

To be able to evaluate the different factors of arranging a conference in a 
certain location, we need to have a proposal - much like the one I prepared 
last fall for the G?teborg bid.

It needs to contain the following information:

- Planning team
Who are the people on-site who will work on setting up the conference?

- Conference venue
How many rooms, room sizes, room quality, equipment, network access

- Sprints
Space availability for sprints before and after the conference

- Food
Quality, costs

- Accomodation
Quality, costs

- Travel
Availability, budget alternatives

- Attendance costs
An estimate of total costs to attend for someone from out of town

- Other factors and arrangements
Sightseeing, special arrangements, factors speaking for the location, 
limitations, ideas for improving Europython.

Without a proposal document, I don't think we should decide on any location. 
It would leave too many factors to chance. Please note that the proposal 
doesn't have to have all the things ready, but there should at least be a 
plan for how to handle each factor and an estimate of the costs and amount of 
work involved.

Cheers

Jacob

From magnus at thinkware.se  Mon Jun 14 09:38:21 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Mon Jun 14 09:38:28 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBFUEMgMjAwNSBhbmQgMjAwNg==?=
Message-ID: <think001_40cda6e134c14@webmail.thinkware.se>

Tom wrote:
> It would also mean four succesive conferences in the more rich
> countries of Europe (which might leave some people -who are not able to
> come- out of the running for some years)

No Tom, the CERN plan is for 2006, so it'll be 3 or 5 years in "rich" 
countries depending on where EPC 2005 will be located...

As Jacob wrote, a proper proposal is required, regardless of whether we
will be in CERN or somewhere else.

Anyway, this is starting to become such a big arrangement that it seems
that proposals to be considered for arranging EPC 20XX should be presented
no later than at EPC 20XX-1. 

-- 
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From tom at aragne.com  Mon Jun 14 09:55:15 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon Jun 14 09:55:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
References: <think001_40cda6e134c14@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <001d01c45217$39c454b0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>

Magnus Lycka wrote:
> As Jacob wrote, a proper proposal is required, regardless of whether
> we will be in CERN or somewhere else.

I'm all up to the ideas concerning 'proposals'. Thats the thing I wanted
to say. ie we can't decide without proper proposals, even if exernal
factors would rather ask for quick decisions. Jacob is much better in
explaining.

> Anyway, this is starting to become such a big arrangement that it
> seems that proposals to be considered for arranging EPC 20XX should
> be presented no later than at EPC 20XX-1.

yupyup, this is only because EP is getting better and better and getting
more successive, which is nice to see happen :-)

Regards,
Tom.


From faassen at infrae.com  Mon Jun 14 14:12:16 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon Jun 14 14:15:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <40CD7C66.8030402@ita.chalmers.se>
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Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> What exactly gave you the impression that things have been unulateraly 
> decided? I do believe the community has learnt their lesson from last 
> year...

I think Tom was doing his best to avoid giving such an impression. :)

Regards,

Martijn


From magnus at thinkware.se  Mon Jun 14 14:18:25 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Mon Jun 14 14:18:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where did people come from?
Message-ID: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>

I'm curious about a presentation of how many visitors we had
from different countries, like we got after last years EPC.

Did we loose a lot of people from the Benelux region, and
from SW Europe since they got a longer trip? Did we gain
a lot of Scandinavians? What else happened? (Does anyone 
have last years figures at hand?)


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From faassen at infrae.com  Mon Jun 14 14:15:50 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon Jun 14 14:18:36 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <200406141351.04961.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com>	<006601c451fc$4cea52d0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>	<40CD8371.4020306@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200406141351.04961.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40CDEB56.3050001@infrae.com>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> Without a proposal document, I don't think we should decide on any location. 
> It would leave too many factors to chance. Please note that the proposal 
> doesn't have to have all the things ready, but there should at least be a 
> plan for how to handle each factor and an estimate of the costs and amount of 
> work involved.

Agreed; I think we need some form of structured proposal before we 
decide on locations. So, CERN is in a hurry, this is a once in a 
lifetime opportunity, CERN is soo cool. I don't disagree that this is 
the case. But, while this is all well and dandy, we need to do this 
properly.

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Mon Jun 14 14:18:33 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon Jun 14 14:22:56 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where did people come from?
In-Reply-To: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>
References: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <40CDEBF9.4000402@infrae.com>

Magnus Lycka wrote:
> I'm curious about a presentation of how many visitors we had
> from different countries, like we got after last years EPC.
> 
> Did we loose a lot of people from the Benelux region, and
> from SW Europe since they got a longer trip? Did we gain
> a lot of Scandinavians? What else happened? (Does anyone 
> have last years figures at hand?)

This information would definitely be interesting!

 From my impression and complete guess, we had more scandinavians than 
in last years. I don't think we lost many dutch people, say, though. I 
imagine we had somewhat less people from Germany, though there were many 
around still. I think we might've had a few more Americans this year.

Regards,

Martijn

From heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de  Mon Jun 14 14:49:41 2004
From: heimes at faho.rwth-aachen.de (Christian Heimes)
Date: Mon Jun 14 14:48:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Where did people come from?
In-Reply-To: <40CDEBF9.4000402@infrae.com>
References: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>
	<40CDEBF9.4000402@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <cakrtg$gu1$4@sea.gmane.org>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
 >  From my impression and complete guess, we had more scandinavians than
 > in last years. I don't think we lost many dutch people, say, though. I
 > imagine we had somewhat less people from Germany, though there were many
 > around still. I think we might've had a few more Americans this year.

We had even three people from Austrilia (not Austria *g*) at EP! Stuard
Bishop + his wife that were on a longer trip through Europe and another
guy (forgot his name) that was from Australia and also some longer time
in Europe.

Christian


From jacob at strakt.com  Mon Jun 14 15:43:29 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon Jun 14 15:43:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where did people come from?
In-Reply-To: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>
References: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <200406142143.29888.jacob@strakt.com>

On m?ndag 14 juni 2004 20.18, Magnus Lycka wrote:
> I'm curious about a presentation of how many visitors we had
> from different countries, like we got after last years EPC.
>
> Did we loose a lot of people from the Benelux region, and
> from SW Europe since they got a longer trip? Did we gain
> a lot of Scandinavians? What else happened? (Does anyone
> have last years figures at hand?)

Once I have handled the on-site registrations, I will give you a pickle of all 
the registrants that you can run all sorts of analysis on. It may take me a 
week or two before I get around to this though. 

Jacob

From richard at iopen.net  Tue Jun 15 05:55:22 2004
From: richard at iopen.net (Richard Waid)
Date: Tue Jun 15 05:57:41 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Where did people come from?
In-Reply-To: <cakrtg$gu1$4@sea.gmane.org>
References: <think001_40cde67f89a9f@webmail.thinkware.se>	<40CDEBF9.4000402@infrae.com>
	<cakrtg$gu1$4@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <40CEC78A.2020407@iopen.net>

Christian Heimes wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>  >  From my impression and complete guess, we had more scandinavians than
>  > in last years. I don't think we lost many dutch people, say, though. I
>  > imagine we had somewhat less people from Germany, though there were many
>  > around still. I think we might've had a few more Americans this year.
> 
> We had even three people from Austrilia (not Austria *g*) at EP! Stuard
> Bishop + his wife that were on a longer trip through Europe and another
> guy (forgot his name) that was from Australia and also some longer time
> in Europe.

I don't know about a third person from Australia, but I'll assume you 
meant me or my business partner, who travelled from New Zealand. I think 
trans-tasman relations are good enough to let that one slide :)

--
Richard Waid
Network/Software Engineer
http://iopen.net
A foundation member of the Effusion Group: http://effusiongroup.com

From mathias.foehr at actuarcalc.lu  Wed Jun 16 19:42:46 2004
From: mathias.foehr at actuarcalc.lu (mathias.foehr@actuarcalc.lu)
Date: Thu Jun 17 06:12:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where are the slides ? :-)
In-Reply-To: <200406031348.i53Dm937017705@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200406031348.i53Dm937017705@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <6.1.1.1.0.20040616163955.02351310@www.actuarcalc.lu>

First of all, many thanks for this splendid organization of EuroPython 2004.

I am trying to find the slides in your web sites and I only found the 
slides of the scientific track. Are the others available and if yes where.

Kind regards

mathias foehr


From mwh at python.net  Thu Jun 17 06:33:51 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu Jun 17 06:33:57 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where are the slides ? :-)
In-Reply-To: <6.1.1.1.0.20040616163955.02351310@www.actuarcalc.lu> (mathias
	foehr's message of "Wed, 16 Jun 2004 16:42:46 -0700")
References: <200406031348.i53Dm937017705@enzo.strakt.com>
	<6.1.1.1.0.20040616163955.02351310@www.actuarcalc.lu>
Message-ID: <2mekoe8ods.fsf@starship.python.net>

mathias.foehr@actuarcalc.lu writes:

> First of all, many thanks for this splendid organization of EuroPython 2004.
>
> I am trying to find the slides in your web sites and I only found the
> slides of the scientific track. Are the others available and if yes
> where.

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004Slides

should be the answer to your question.  This should be either linked
to or transferred to the site somehow, yes.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  MARVIN:  Oh dear, I think you'll find reality's on the blink again.
                   -- The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Episode 12

From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Fri Jun 18 12:57:24 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Fri Jun 18 13:56:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where are the slides ? :-)
In-Reply-To: <2mekoe8ods.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200406031348.i53Dm937017705@enzo.strakt.com>
	<6.1.1.1.0.20040616163955.02351310@www.actuarcalc.lu>
	<2mekoe8ods.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <20040618165724.GF20818@logilab.fr>

On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 11:33:51AM +0100, Michael Hudson wrote:
> mathias.foehr@actuarcalc.lu writes:
> 
> > First of all, many thanks for this splendid organization of EuroPython 2004.
> >
> > I am trying to find the slides in your web sites and I only found the
> > slides of the scientific track. Are the others available and if yes
> > where.
> 
> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004Slides
> 
> should be the answer to your question.  This should be either linked
> to or transferred to the site somehow, yes.

I did some site updating to help people find this more easily.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From mwh at python.net  Sat Jun 19 06:35:48 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon Jun 21 00:32:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Where are the slides ? :-)
In-Reply-To: <20040618165724.GF20818@logilab.fr> (Nicolas Chauvat's message
	of "Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:57:24 +0200")
References: <200406031348.i53Dm937017705@enzo.strakt.com>
	<6.1.1.1.0.20040616163955.02351310@www.actuarcalc.lu>
	<2mekoe8ods.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<20040618165724.GF20818@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <2mwu237s3f.fsf@starship.python.net>

"Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> writes:

> On Thu, Jun 17, 2004 at 11:33:51AM +0100, Michael Hudson wrote:
>> mathias.foehr@actuarcalc.lu writes:
>> 
>> > First of all, many thanks for this splendid organization of EuroPython 2004.
>> >
>> > I am trying to find the slides in your web sites and I only found the
>> > slides of the scientific track. Are the others available and if yes
>> > where.
>> 
>> http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004Slides
>> 
>> should be the answer to your question.  This should be either linked
>> to or transferred to the site somehow, yes.
>
> I did some site updating to help people find this more easily.

Thanks!

The site could use a little post-con gardening, but, well, *I* don't
have the energy for it...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit.
                                                -- W. Somerset Maugham

From magnus at thinkware.se  Sun Jun 20 19:31:43 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus =?iso-8859-1?Q?Lyck=E5?=)
Date: Mon Jun 21 01:14:32 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Material from my EPC presentations on DB programming
 and testing available.
Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.0.20040621012721.0272fc28@www.thinkware.se>

My presentations from the Europython Conference and
some example code is now on-line. It can be reached from
http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/moinmoin/EuroPython2004Slides


/Magnus


--
Magnus Lycka (It's really Lyck&aring;), magnus@thinkware.se
Thinkware AB, Sweden, www.thinkware.se
I code Python ~ The Agile Programming Language 


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu Jun 24 13:58:37 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu Jun 24 14:24:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2005 and 2006
In-Reply-To: <40CD8371.4020306@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <20040610084008.73599.qmail@web60404.mail.yahoo.com><40C83EE1.60200@ita.chalmers.se>	<40CC17FF.1010306@infrae.com>	<02d801c4515c$86f6f870$6e7ba8c0@simkin>	<40CCC0D1.1080306@ita.chalmers.se>	<003401c451f7$03bce6e0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>	<40CD7C66.8030402@ita.chalmers.se>	<006601c451fc$4cea52d0$807ba8c0@SIMKIN>
	<40CD8371.4020306@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <40DB164D.2030008@simplistix.co.uk>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> let's just hope someone steps forward to organise the conference in a 
> less expensive country, if there are still such countries in europe by 
> 2005/2006 :-)

Well, I'd vote for Sweden again next year ('cos the Swedish guys did a pretty 
mazing job from ym p.o.v., particularly with the conference dinner, which I 
thought was amazing :-) and CERN for 2006, because CERN is way way cool, but 
after that, how about Hungary?

Much less expensive and a very very nice country. Dunno if there are any 
Hungarian python or Zope people though :-S

Chris ;-)

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From duncan at grisby.org  Thu Jun 24 18:06:32 2004
From: duncan at grisby.org (Duncan Grisby)
Date: Thu Jun 24 18:06:39 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Photos from EuroPython
Message-ID: <200406242206.i5OM6WQ18134@grisby.dyndns.org>

Hi,

I have put a number of photos from EuroPython on my web site, here:

  http://www.grisby.org/Photos/225/

I've put captions on quite a few of them to say who they are, but if
you know the people in a photo and I haven't captioned it (or I've got
it wrong) please let me know.

Hope you like them.

Duncan.

-- 
 -- Duncan Grisby         --
  -- duncan@grisby.org     --
   -- http://www.grisby.org --

From juan at guenstiger.de  Tue Jun 29 07:34:43 2004
From: juan at guenstiger.de (guenstiger.de Juan Jose Dardon)
Date: Tue Jun 29 07:28:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsor of the EPC
Message-ID: <041c01c45dcd$1417cf00$7c7aa8c0@hsid.de>

Dear Sir or Madam, 

would like to know what the conditions are, in order to become a EPC Sponsor.
I know that the conference is over, but we also would like to sponsor the future conferences. 
We are interested in adding a link either below the main frame where actually there is  "Cofman Holiday Homes - Stugor - Feriehus"
listed. Or in the main sponsor frame with a logo. 

We offer our service www.guenstiger.de as a price search engine in Germany.
We are one of the most visited free price search engines in Germany for consumer electronics. 

I'd be really thankful if you could send us the terms and prices for starting the sponsor program. 

Best regards,  

Juan Jose Dardon
Produktmanager EDV/Telekommunikation
E-Mail: juan@guenstiger.de 
 
HSID Verlagsgesellschaft mbH
guenstiger.de
Vorsetzen 53
20459 Hamburg
 
Tel.: +49.40.31.97.96.0
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From reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net  Tue Jun 29 07:40:13 2004
From: reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Tue Jun 29 07:40:17 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Veckobostader invoices? 
Message-ID: <20040629114013.GQ23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>

Hi,

Did anyone already receive an invoice for the Veckbostader 'hotel'? I was 
promised one by Laura at the conference, but she seems not to be 
responding to mail anymore for the last two weeks! :-(

This means that it will take a month extra before I can get my money back 
from my employer.

Next year I hope that this kind of details will be organized in a more 
professional way. I at least will never give anyone money without a 
receit.

-- 
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"Nothing is as subjective as reality"
Reinoud van Leeuwen    reinoud.v@n.leeuwen.net
http://www.xs4all.nl/~reinoud
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From jacob at strakt.com  Tue Jun 29 08:00:18 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue Jun 29 08:00:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Veckobostader invoices?
In-Reply-To: <20040629114013.GQ23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
References: <20040629114013.GQ23232@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <200406291400.18959.jacob@strakt.com>

On tisdag 29 juni 2004 13.40, Reinoud van Leeuwen wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Did anyone already receive an invoice for the Veckbostader 'hotel'? I was
> promised one by Laura at the conference, but she seems not to be
> responding to mail anymore for the last two weeks! :-(
>
> This means that it will take a month extra before I can get my money back
> from my employer.
>
> Next year I hope that this kind of details will be organized in a more
> professional way. I at least will never give anyone money without a
> receit.

Laura is ill and will get to receipts when she is well again.

If you want professional organisers, you pay for them. Europython is a 
volunteer effort, and an understaffed one. The way to make sure these things 
are done in a professional way is to put in your own volunteer effort.

Jacob Hall?n