From bea at webwitches.com  Sat May  1 07:29:46 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Sat May  1 07:29:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird countdown
In-Reply-To: <409296B8.3030205@fermigier.com>
References: <1083334011.3496.59.camel@ogg>  <409296B8.3030205@fermigier.com>
Message-ID: <1083410986.2867.30.camel@ogg>

On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 20:11, Stefane Fermigier wrote:

[snip]

> 
> We're still waiting for our talks to be accepted or not.
> 
> 	S.

Hi!

>From what I got as a search result, you submitted talks to Heimo
Laukkanen's track, right? so I am cc'ing this to him to be sure. 

Because today is the last day for early bird registrations, my
non-organiser recommendation is the following: register at the speaker
fee level anyhow, because you should have known before the end of the
early bird deadline if your talk has been accepted or not. If there is
anything wrong with that assessment, it can always be corrected later.
How's that? It makes sense to me, anyhow.

regards

bea



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From nquhszk at wiesbaden-online.de  Sat May  1 17:04:19 2004
From: nquhszk at wiesbaden-online.de (Valerie Stapleton)
Date: Sat May  1 16:07:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] university diplomas
Message-ID: <QAWIPLQUKIXKGXJOXXTLNUQC@post.jimu.nagoya-u.ac.jp>

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From lac at strakt.com  Sat May  1 23:08:26 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat May  1 23:08:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Sent to me personally, while I was on the road
Message-ID: <200405020308.i4238RRQ018624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

I am still on the road.  Did this person get registered ok?

Laura
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Return-Path: Sandor.Kopanyi@essnet.se
Delivery-Date: Tue Apr 20 14:29:29 2004
Return-Path: <Sandor.Kopanyi@essnet.se>
To: "'lac@strakt.com'" <lac@strakt.com>
Subject: RE: EuroPython conference 2004 payment/registration
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:29:13 +0200

Dear Laura,

Our accounting department needs some further information for the
direct bank transfer, please send them to me:

- - the name of your bank
- - the SWIFT code (or this is the same as the IBAN code below?)

Best regards,
Sandor


> -----Original Message-----
> From: epc@europython.org [mailto:epc@europython.org]
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 12:29 PM
> To: sandor.kopanyi@essnet.se
> Subject: EuroPython conference 2004 payment/registration
> 
> 
> Dear Mr. Sandor Kopanyi 
> 
> Registration information EuroPython 2004
> ========================================
> 
> Thank you for your registration, your registration ID is P04110122653.
> We hope you'll enjoy EuroPython 2004 and look forward to 
> meeting you. Below 
> you'll find your registration and some important information. 
> Please read it 
> carefully and contact us immediately if you find a mistake. 
> If you have questions
> regarding registration issues, please contact Laura Creighton 
> lac@strakt.com.
> 
> Thanks and see you soon,
> EuroPython team.
> 
> Important: if you want to register for a sprint, use the 
> Sprint Page http://z3u.com/ep2004/SprintPage
> 
> For any other issues, please contact Laura Creighton lac@strakt.com.
> 
> 
> An account has been created for you on the EuroPython website, with
> username sandor_kopanyi and password 122920.  
> 
> Clicking 
> http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/people/P041
> 10122653/portal_form/ploco_person_view?__ac_name=sandor_kopany
> i&__ac_password=122920&disable_cookie_login__=1 
> will log in automatically and view your registration details.
> 
> 
> 
> registration ID: P04110122653
> 
> Person:
> 
> Mr. Sandor Kopanyi
> 
> 
> You have chosen to transfer the money to our account.
> Please give your registration-id: P04110122653 when
> transfering the total amount of 175.00 EUR
> to our account:
> 
>   Bank account holder: Europython Society
>   Bank account: 037 676 534-3  (non-Swedish residents)
>                 983 415 181-4  (Swedish residents)
>   
>   IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343 
>   BIC :  SWEDESS
>   
>   Address:
>   c/o AB Strakt
>   Norra gatan 10
>   SE-416 64 G???teborg
>   Sweden
> 
> 
> Address:
> 
> Tolgyfa u. 28
> hu 1027
> Budapest
> 
> Registered Goods:
> 
> Conference T-Shirt: XL, 15 EUR
> 
> Registered Services:
> Sandor Kopanyi paid for 
> Early bird fee: 160 EUR EUR
> 
> 
> Registration Amount:  175.00 EUR
> Accomodation Amount:    0.00 EUR
> Paid by: swift
> 
> Important Info/Advice:
> ======================
> 
> * Please, bring this paper along to the entrance of the 
> conference. It will ease and improve the speed of 
> dispatching at the registration/info desk.
> 
> * If you are a student, don't forget to bring your student 
> card along.
> 
> * If you are a speaker, it would be handy to bring the 
> confirmation of your talk(s) by your trackchairman with you.
> 
> * The special conference T-shirts will be available at the 
> EuroPython2004
> registration/info desk. Please, bring this paper with you 
> when collecting your T-shirt.
>  
> * Soon you will be able to download the time tables of the 
> talks from our website in PDF format. We advise you to 
> print them out at your office and bring them with you to 
> the conference. The EuroPython2004 conference itself is 
> unable to provide them to you at the conference.
>   
> --
> 



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From bea at webwitches.com  Sun May  2 06:31:15 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Sun May  2 06:31:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Sent to me personally, while I was on the road
In-Reply-To: <200405020308.i4238RRQ018624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200405020308.i4238RRQ018624@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1083493875.3097.11.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 05:08, Laura Creighton wrote:
> I am still on the road.  Did this person get registered ok?
> 
> Laura
> ------- Forwarded Message
> 
> Return-Path: Sandor.Kopanyi@essnet.se
> Delivery-Date: Tue Apr 20 14:29:29 2004
> Return-Path: <Sandor.Kopanyi@essnet.se>
> To: "'lac@strakt.com'" <lac@strakt.com>
> Subject: RE: EuroPython conference 2004 payment/registration
> Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 14:29:13 +0200
> 
> Dear Laura,
> 
> Our accounting department needs some further information for the
> direct bank transfer, please send them to me:
> 
> - - the name of your bank
> - - the SWIFT code (or this is the same as the IBAN code below?)
> 
> Best regards,
> Sandor

Dear Sandor

The bank is called F?reningssparbanken (the name should not be necessary
anymore since it is contained in the SWIFT code, and the account holding
branch in the IBAN).

SWIFT = BIC (SWEDSESS - there was an error in the original confirmation,
sorry!)

IBAN = International Bank Account Number (contains country, bank, branch
and account number in one piece)

Hope that helps! Let us know if you need any more help.

Regards

bea





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"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From lac at strakt.com  Sun May  2 07:10:44 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sun May  2 07:10:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] send to me personally
Message-ID: <200405021110.i42BAiFj020606@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

can you check that this one's registration is ok?  I am still
on the road.

Laura
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Return-Path: michele.marcionelli@math.ethz.ch
Delivery-Date: Fri Apr 30 10:36:16 2004
To: lac@strakt.com
From: Michele Marcionelli <michele.marcionelli@math.ethz.ch>
Subject: [EPC 2004] Mistake in the registration
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 10:36:11 +0200

Dear Mrs. Creighton,

I just registered to the conference some minutes ago an I noticed that 
some special characters are not correctly displayed on the result page. 
So here I send you my address again:

	Mr. Michele Marcionelli
	Department of Mathematics
	ETH Zentrum - HG G 14
	Raemistrasse 101
	CH-8092 Zurich
	Switzerland

	E-Mail: michele@math.ethz.ch
	Mobile: 0041 79 708 1949

Can you confirm me if everything is good? I thank you in advance!

Regards, Michele Marcionelli

- -- 
Michele Marcionelli - webmaster@math - Phone: +41 1 632 6193
Address: HG G 14 - R?mistrasse 101 - 8092 Z?rich - Switzerland
http://www.math.ethz.ch/~michele

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From lac at strakt.com  Sun May  2 07:15:25 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sun May  2 07:15:30 2004
Subject: URGENT: Re: [EuroPython] Zope 3 Sprint After EP 2004 
In-Reply-To: Message from Jim Fulton <jim@zope.com> 
	of "Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:12:12 EDT." <4092267C.30705@zope.com> 
References: <40901AEC.1000001@zope.com> <4090D8CA.1070108@infrae.com>
	<40910AD4.3060106@zope.com> <4092267C.30705@zope.com> 
Message-ID: <200405021115.i42BFPM7020669@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


If what dario plans does not work out, we can almost certainly move
to CD, the computer society building.  It's a longer walk, that's all.

Laura

In a message of Fri, 30 Apr 2004 06:12:12 EDT, Jim Fulton writes:
>
>I need confirmation that I can hold a Zope sprint
>June 10-12. I need EP to provide the facilities.
>
>Can I please get a yes or no answer ASAP?
>
>I currently have 5 people, other than myself, who have expressed interest
>in sprinting these 3 days.  I need confirmation so that I can finalize
>my travel plans and so that I can announce the sprint more widely, with
>specific dates, so that other people can make travel plans far enough
>out so that travel is affordable.
>
>Jim
>
>P.S, I don't have Dario's email address.  If he's not on the EP list,
>      could someone please forward this to him?
>
>Jim Fulton wrote:
>> Martijn Faassen wrote:
>> 
>>> Jim Fulton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I recently decided to attend EP 2004 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Great!
>>>
>>>> and would like to lead a
>>>> sprint after the conference.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> What do I need to do?
>>>>
>>>> How many sprint days are available after the
>>>> conference?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think currently there are some people doing a post-conference sprint
> 
>>> on the PyPy team (though not necessarily anything PyPy related). Don't
> 
>>> know how long they'll be there.
>>>
>>> There are my vague plans for a 1.5 days mini-sprint (until friday when
> 
>>> I have to leave) on a possible C implementation of ZPT, and then 
>>> there's likely going to be some work on Kupu by GuidoW and Philipp.
>>>
>>> Dario is in charge of organizing sprint facilities and trying to make 
>>> it all come together, he should know more.
>> 
>> 
>> I need to make travel arrangements. A number of people have expressed 
>> interest
>> in sprinting through the 12th.  I propose then to sprint the 10th 
>> through the 12th.
>> That's three days after the conference.  Is that OK? Will there be 
>> facilities?
>> 
>> Note that I'm combining this trip with a trip to the International Free
> 
>> Software
>> Forum in Brazil the 2nd to the 5th, so my travel plans are going to be 
>> rather tricky,
>> so I need to get going on them asap.
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> 
>
>
>-- 
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>
>
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun May  2 07:36:01 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun May  2 07:36:12 2004
Subject: URGENT: Re: [EuroPython] Zope 3 Sprint After EP 2004
In-Reply-To: <200405021115.i42BFPM7020669@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <40901AEC.1000001@zope.com>
	<4090D8CA.1070108@infrae.com>	<40910AD4.3060106@zope.com>
	<4092267C.30705@zope.com>
	<200405021115.i42BFPM7020669@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <4094DD21.2070204@ita.chalmers.se>

Laura Creighton wrote:

> If what dario plans does not work out, we can almost certainly move
> to CD, the computer society building.  It's a longer walk, that's all.
> 
> Laura
>

Do you have a contact with them? Jacob truied and got no response.

I have the name of one of the sysadmins there, but CD seems to be 
somewhat dormant...

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun May  2 07:53:15 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun May  2 07:53:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
Message-ID: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se>

Hi,

here is a bunch of things I'd like us to start discussing - perhaps it 
might be a good idea to have some of these items in tomorrows agenda?

- attendee count

- speakers count

- What to do is track chairs do not on talk submissions

- Absolute deadline for when a talk shoudl be accepted or not
   - there have been several inquiries to the list and off list
     from prospective speakers asking when they will know if their
     talk has been accepted or not

- Programme for the conference - when declare it public?
   - depends on the two items above

- Summary of known sprints.
   - which ones
   - contact persons

- summary of known sponsors
   - which ones
   - their contribution

- Summary of known exibitiors (if any) and other people.

- budget
   - what does the conference budget llok like
   - are there any issues that are worrysome?

- Logistics
   - Dates when the various people involved in the organisation
     will arrive
     - Track chairs
     - Sprint organisers
     - sponsors/exhibitors
     - EPC folks

   - Practical things
     - visitor reception
     - track chairs needing help?
       - I know that some track chairs are taking care of this
         themselves, but I'd like a summary from them anyway
     - Security
       - do we need any? I so of what kind? Can we skip it altogether?
     - assign one or two poeple the overall organiser
     - make sure that everyone has the opportunity to be abelt
       to do more than just be an organiser (ie. attend sessions, etc)
     - sponsor/exibitor reception

    - Catering/food status

    - Items that need to be taken care of RSN but that none has been
     able to attend to yet.

Thanks,

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun May  2 08:38:39 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun May  2 08:38:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <4094EBCF.20507@ita.chalmers.se>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> 
> - What to do is track chairs do not on talk submissions

uh... even if i didn't write it, what I thought of and meant is:
"What to do if track chairs don not acto on talk submissions", ie how to 
deal with in-active track chairs.

sorry for the confusion

/dario


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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun May  2 08:44:34 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun May  2 08:44:36 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <4094ED32.9090509@infrae.com>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> here is a bunch of things I'd like us to start discussing - perhaps it 
> might be a good idea to have some of these items in tomorrows agenda?

I thought we had the meeting on tuesday, or is that dedicated to track 
chairs and we have another meeting tomorrow (monday)?

Groeten,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun May  2 09:07:58 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun May  2 09:08:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird countdown
In-Reply-To: <1083410986.2867.30.camel@ogg>
References: <1083334011.3496.59.camel@ogg> <409296B8.3030205@fermigier.com>
	<1083410986.2867.30.camel@ogg>
Message-ID: <4094F2AE.9090005@infrae.com>

Beatrice Fontaine wrote:
> On Fri, 2004-04-30 at 20:11, Stefane Fermigier wrote:
> 
> [snip]
> 
> 
>>We're still waiting for our talks to be accepted or not.
>>
>>	S.
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
>>From what I got as a search result, you submitted talks to Heimo
> Laukkanen's track, right? so I am cc'ing this to him to be sure. 
> 
> Because today is the last day for early bird registrations, my
> non-organiser recommendation is the following: register at the speaker
> fee level anyhow, because you should have known before the end of the
> early bird deadline if your talk has been accepted or not. If there is
> anything wrong with that assessment, it can always be corrected later.
> How's that? It makes sense to me, anyhow.

This is good; of course it shouldn't be that people miss early bird 
registration because they submitted a talk.

If the talks don't get accepted after all, we'll make sure it doesn't 
cost you money because you missed early bird deadline.

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Sun May  2 09:09:31 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun May  2 09:09:34 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] RE: Europython Update April 30
In-Reply-To: <E7A0B91DC0CEE742BBD436ABF11D676C037FAE@drdre.amplexor.com>
References: <E7A0B91DC0CEE742BBD436ABF11D676C037FAE@drdre.amplexor.com>
Message-ID: <4094F30B.7090507@infrae.com>

Paul Hermans wrote:
> Nothing on Chandler (OSAF)?

Not that I know of (nobody submitted a talk about this), though I may be 
forgetting something.

But we do have stuff on schooltool (www.schooltool.org). :)

Regards,

Martijn

From bea at webwitches.com  Sun May  2 12:59:39 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Sun May  2 12:59:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] send to me personally
In-Reply-To: <200405021110.i42BAiFj020606@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200405021110.i42BAiFj020606@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1083517179.7190.5.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Sun, 2004-05-02 at 13:10, Laura Creighton wrote:
> can you check that this one's registration is ok?  I am still
> on the road.

Hello!

Looks fine from here. Welcome to the Europython conference!

Best regards

bea

-- 
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"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon May  3 06:57:54 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon May  3 06:58:05 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <4094ED32.9090509@infrae.com>
References: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se> <4094ED32.9090509@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <409625B2.8050201@ita.chalmers.se>

Martijn Faassen wrote:

> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>> here is a bunch of things I'd like us to start discussing - perhaps it 
>> might be a good idea to have some of these items in tomorrows agenda?
> 
> I thought we had the meeting on tuesday, or is that dedicated to track 
> chairs and we have another meeting tomorrow (monday)?

Jup, tuesday - too bad since I can't on tuesdays.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From bea at webwitches.com  Mon May  3 07:07:17 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Mon May  3 07:07:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <409625B2.8050201@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se> <4094ED32.9090509@infrae.com>
	<409625B2.8050201@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <1083582436.20532.87.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:57, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:
> 
> > Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> >> here is a bunch of things I'd like us to start discussing - perhaps it 
> >> might be a good idea to have some of these items in tomorrows agenda?
> > 
> > I thought we had the meeting on tuesday, or is that dedicated to track 
> > chairs and we have another meeting tomorrow (monday)?
> 
> Jup, tuesday - too bad since I can't on tuesdays.

I would suggest we have a pre-talk sometime today then, because I have a
meeting tomorrow night, too.

bea


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Tel + 46 921 150 45 - GSM + 46 70 640 2773
E-mail : bea@webwitches.com - URL: www.webwitches.com


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon May  3 07:14:12 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon May  3 07:14:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <1083582436.20532.87.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
References: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se> <4094ED32.9090509@infrae.com>	
	<409625B2.8050201@ita.chalmers.se>
	<1083582436.20532.87.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
Message-ID: <40962984.3010405@ita.chalmers.se>

Beatrice Fontaine wrote:

> On Mon, 2004-05-03 at 12:57, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> 
>>Jup, tuesday - too bad since I can't on tuesdays.
> 
> I would suggest we have a pre-talk sometime today then, because I have a
> meeting tomorrow night, too.

sounds like a good idea - also: several of the things I laid put can 
succesfully be discussed on the list.

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From tom at aragne.com  Mon May  3 17:46:29 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon May  3 17:47:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Agenda for tomorrow?
References: <4094E12B.6030609@ita.chalmers.se> <4094ED32.9090509@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <05aa01c43158$42a59f10$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> here is a bunch of things I'd like us to start discussing - perhaps
>> it might be a good idea to have some of these items in tomorrows
>> agenda?
>
> I thought we had the meeting on tuesday, or is that dedicated to track
> chairs and we have another meeting tomorrow (monday)?

Oops, that I didn't knew as well.
Sorry, I won't be able to make it for tuesday. Enjoy and see you all in
Sweden.

Regards,
Tom.


From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May  4 13:53:47 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May  4 13:53:52 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting about logistics Wednesday 5 May
Message-ID: <200405041953.47533.jacob@strakt.com>

We will have a meeting focusing on event logistics tomorrow at 18.00 CET.

I will send out information about todays meeting and an agenda for tomorrow 
during the day tomorrow. The agenda will be based on Dar?o's list and the 
list of things I had made off line while travelling.

Jacob


From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May  4 13:59:50 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue May  4 13:59:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] possible interview targets
Message-ID: <4097DA16.2040308@infrae.com>

Hi there,

Possible interview targets; things we're investigating.

Tom Deprez is interviewing Jacob.

I'm in contact with SteveA about interviewing Mark Shuttleworth.

I'll also look into interviewing the effbot.

We should interview Armin Rigo and Holger Krekel. I can look into these 
if nobody else will.

Shapr will look into interviewing Bram Cohen.

We have some interesting track chairs to interview that we haven't 
before, such as Bea, Anna, John Pinner, Huima.

The Zope track needs interviews. There are tons of good candidates, such 
as Rob Page, Chris Withers, and (hey, what an idea!) my business 
partner, Kit Blake. :)

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May  4 14:06:15 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue May  4 14:05:41 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Updating the sprints page
Message-ID: <4097DB97.30805@infrae.com>

Hi there,

This page:

http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sprints/index_html

is pretty vague right now.

I think by now we have firm dates for the PyPy sprint, the non-PyPy post 
sprint and the Zope 3 sprint. I do not know what these dates are, but 
Dario does. In addition there's my 'hang out for 1.5 days' micro sprint 
for thursday and friday after the conference but that doesn't need to be 
on the page. I'll hang out with the non-PyP post sprinters and Zope 3 
people.

Regards,

Martijn


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May  5 02:14:40 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed May  5 02:14:47 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting about logistics Wednesday 5 May
In-Reply-To: <200405041953.47533.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405041953.47533.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40988650.3000906@ita.chalmers.se>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> We will have a meeting focusing on event logistics tomorrow at 18.00 CET.
> 
> I will send out information about todays meeting and an agenda for tomorrow 
> during the day tomorrow. The agenda will be based on Dar?o's list and the 
> list of things I had made off line while travelling.
> 
> Jacob
> 

I can't wednesdays, unless it is after 21.30 CET or later - but I guess 
no one is confortable with that hour.

Sorry,

/dario



-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May  5 02:18:22 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed May  5 02:18:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Updating the sprints page
In-Reply-To: <4097DB97.30805@infrae.com>
References: <4097DB97.30805@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <4098872E.50906@ita.chalmers.se>

Martijn Faassen wrote:

> Hi there,
> 
> This page:
> 
> http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sprints/index_html
> 
> is pretty vague right now.
> 
> I think by now we have firm dates for the PyPy sprint, the non-PyPy post 
> sprint and the Zope 3 sprint. I do not know what these dates are, but 
> Dario does. In addition there's my 'hang out for 1.5 days' micro sprint 
> for thursday and friday after the conference but that doesn't need to be 
> on the page. I'll hang out with the non-PyP post sprinters and Zope 3 
> people.
> 

I am not 100% sure about the dates either, here is what I have:

* PyPy sprint, from Monday 31/5 to Friday 4/6
* Zope3 sprint, from Thursday 10/6 to Saturday 12/6
* Martin's micro-sprint, from Thursday 10/6 to Friday 11.5/6

I have not heard about a non-Pypy post sprint.

I have confirmed rooms for the Zope3 sprint - I am working on the rest.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.

From bea at webwitches.com  Wed May  5 02:25:59 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Wed May  5 02:25:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting about logistics Wednesday 5 May
In-Reply-To: <200405041953.47533.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405041953.47533.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1083738337.6803.10.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Tue, 2004-05-04 at 19:53, Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> We will have a meeting focusing on event logistics tomorrow at 18.00 CET.
> 
> I will send out information about todays meeting and an agenda for tomorrow 
> during the day tomorrow. The agenda will be based on Dar?o's list and the 
> list of things I had made off line while travelling.

I have a meeting at 19.00 and can therefore only attend for 45 minutes,
sorry about that. But I will be there on IRC from long before 18.00.

Regards

bea

-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From lac at strakt.com  Wed May  5 04:33:06 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed May  5 04:33:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Updating the sprints page 
In-Reply-To: Message from Dario_Lopez-Kästen <dario@ita.chalmers.se> 
   of "Wed, 05 May 2004 08:18:22 +0200." <4098872E.50906@ita.chalmers.se> 
References: <4097DB97.30805@infrae.com> <4098872E.50906@ita.chalmers.se> 
Message-ID: <200405050833.i458X69I028799@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Wed, 05 May 2004 08:18:22 +0200, Dario_Lopez-K?sten writes:
>Martijn Faassen wrote:
>
>> Hi there,
>> 
>> This page:
>> 
>> http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sprints/index_html
>> 
>> is pretty vague right now.
>> 
>> I think by now we have firm dates for the PyPy sprint, the non-PyPy pos
>t 
>> sprint and the Zope 3 sprint. I do not know what these dates are, but 
>> Dario does. In addition there's my 'hang out for 1.5 days' micro sprint
> 
>> for thursday and friday after the conference but that doesn't need to b
>e 
>> on the page. I'll hang out with the non-PyP post sprinters and Zope 3 
>> people.
>> 
>
>I am not 100% sure about the dates either, here is what I have:
>
>* PyPy sprint, from Monday 31/5 to Friday 4/6

   no 31/5 until 10/6.  But we will take some time off to be tourists, too.
   
>* Zope3 sprint, from Thursday 10/6 to Saturday 12/6
>* Martin's micro-sprint, from Thursday 10/6 to Friday 11.5/6
>
>I have not heard about a non-Pypy post sprint.

   it is probably a good idea to have some space for some 'ad hoc hacking for
   people who come up with ideas at the con'.  Also, if there are no
   non-pypy sprinting happening after the con, then that can happen at Strakt.
   I realise that these two items are in conflict .... just being complete.

>
>I have confirmed rooms for the Zope3 sprint - I am working on the rest.
>
>/dario

Thanks, Dario.

>
>-- 
>-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
>Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
>

From pim at think-wize.com  Wed May  5 05:14:44 2004
From: pim at think-wize.com (pim@think-wize.com)
Date: Wed May  5 05:14:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Adveritser EuroPython
Message-ID: <4098B084.8030602@think-wize.com>

Dear Europython organisers,

I have been trying to contact Europython since Think Wize wants to 
become an advertiser for the upcoming Europython conference. 
Unfortunately I was unable to get a response, probably because I used a 
wrong contact.

I know that by now we missed the deadline but if you could make an 
exception for us I would really appreciate it. If not I can understand 
your position.

Please indicate which material you need from us (I suppose a logo and 
some material for the conference program), and how we can pay for the 
advertisement.

Best regards,

Pim.

-- 
   Dr. Pim Van Heuven
   www.ThinkWize.com
Research and Development


From jacob at strakt.com  Wed May  5 10:35:03 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed May  5 10:35:09 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Summary from yesterdays meeting and agenda for todays
	meeting
Message-ID: <200405051635.03107.jacob@strakt.com>

We focused on getting a block schedule together, and I have now sent a letter 
to all the track chairs asking them to fill thier blocks with talks. We will 
be running 4 tracks in parallell almost throughout the whole conference.

The allocation is available at http://z3u.com/ep2004/TimetableSketch.

At the meeting on Monday, we will fix the schedule and sort out any problems 
that have been found in the process of allocation.

On the subject of registration, we have 101 early bird and 14 early bird 
students registered. 33 speakers have registered so far, which is a fairly 
small fraction of the ones we know are coming. Please urge your speakers to 
register as soon as possible.

The situation with the registration is that now we need about 70 more full 
paying registrants to make the budget to break even. Since Europython is only 
a month away, and it would be good for my nerves to know that we make the 
budget, please help us get the message out in your own communities.

Jacob


This is not a real agenda, it is the list of notes that I and Dar?o have made, 
in more or less random order. We will pick things off the list in order of 
urgency.
______________________________________________________________ 
Front desk

Sign-in process
T-shirt distribution

Badges
- design
	Name, organisation, email, country code
- printing
- holders

Signage

Daily schedule plus map
Interesting things on reverse of daily schedule

Sponsors - to approach
- Active State
- Zope Corp
- Oak Hill
- Wing
- O'Reilly
- Pythonlabs
- Datorbokhandeln
- Star Office
- HP
- IBM
- Hogia
- SPCS
- ICS, IFS, Intentia
- Chalmers Innovation

Contact existing sponsors and those who have mailed about becoming sponsors

T-shirt manufacturing

Video projectors

Front desk staff
Technical staff

Networking for attendes
Networking for speakers

Photography

Attendees wiki

Sponsor support
- get somebody to co-ordinate
______________________________________________________________________
Personal invitations
Press release to Swedish papers/magazines
Signage at Chalmers
Conference brochure
Sprint co-ordination
Get all sponsors up on the web
Write feedback forms

Print your own name tags?
Barcode scanner?

________________________________________________________________________
- attendee count

- speakers count

- What to do is track chairs do not on talk submissions

- Absolute deadline for when a talk shoudl be accepted or not
   - there have been several inquiries to the list and off list
     from prospective speakers asking when they will know if their
     talk has been accepted or not

- Programme for the conference - when declare it public?
   - depends on the two items above

- Summary of known sprints.
   - which ones
   - contact persons

- summary of known sponsors
   - which ones
   - their contribution

- Summary of known exibitiors (if any) and other people.

- budget
   - what does the conference budget llok like
   - are there any issues that are worrysome?

- Logistics
   - Dates when the various people involved in the organisation
     will arrive
     - Track chairs
     - Sprint organisers
     - sponsors/exhibitors
     - EPC folks

   - Practical things
     - visitor reception
     - track chairs needing help?
       - I know that some track chairs are taking care of this
         themselves, but I'd like a summary from them anyway
     - Security
       - do we need any? I so of what kind? Can we skip it altogether?
     - assign one or two poeple the overall organiser
     - make sure that everyone has the opportunity to be abelt
       to do more than just be an organiser (ie. attend sessions, etc)
     - sponsor/exibitor reception

    - Catering/food status

    - Items that need to be taken care of RSN but that none has been
     able to attend to yet.


From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May  5 13:45:56 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May  5 13:46:06 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBTdW1tYXJ5IGZyb20geWVzdGVyZGF5cyBtZWV0aW5nIGFuZCBhZ2VuZGEgZm9yIHRvZGF5cyBtZWV0aW5n?=
Message-ID: <think001_40992141e501b@webmail.thinkware.se>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> Sponsors - to approach
> - Pythonlabs
You mean WM-Data? I suspect no Secret Labs person has a
marketing budget any longer, but on the other hand, if
they have the right connections in WM-Data, they might
have indirect access to a much bigger pile of money...

> - Datorbokhandeln
Bankrupt last summer I think... On the other hand,
www.datorbokhandeln.se is now basically a placeholder
for a newsletter from http://www.xpseminarie.nu/ which
is a Plone site! I'll send an email to this Erik Lundh
guy, to see if he's interested in EPC in some way.

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From jacob at strakt.com  Wed May  5 13:57:57 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed May  5 13:58:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsoring Europython
In-Reply-To: <40920B70.6090305@struktur.de>
References: <40920B70.6090305@struktur.de>
Message-ID: <200405051957.57814.jacob@strakt.com>

Dear Niels, 

I have been on a months worth of trip to the USA, which is why responding has 
taken a bit of time.

We are very happy that you want to sponsor Europython.

- Please send us the form that you would like your link to have a soon as 
possible. We will put it on the website within a day of receiving it.

- Send us your advert for the conference programme within the next week. We 
are in the process of preparing the materials for the programme right now.

- Bring your banners/streamer/splackards to the conference, where we will 
assist you in posting them in the conference halls. We will have 4 tracks in 
parallell and if you want your materials in the keynote theatre, you will 
need an extra set for that. The maximum size for your banners in each room is 
2 square meters.

- I will send you an invoice for the sponsoring fee about 1 week before the 
conference.

If you have any questions, or issues you would like to bring up, please mail 
me directly.

Best regards

Jacob Hall?n
Europython head organiser

On fredag 30 april 2004 10.16, Niels Mache, struktur AG wrote:
> Dear Europython Team,
>
> the attached information was distributed on 22 April.
>
> I would be very pleased to sponsor the Europython Conference.
>
> As I would like to proceed and your contribution is appreciated please
> kindly send me your reply during the next week.
>
> Thank you very much for your continous co-operation.
>
> Niels Mache
>
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Sponsoring Europython
> Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 13:20:53 +0200
> From: Niels Mache, struktur AG <mache@struktur.de>
> Organization: struktur AG
> To: europython@python.org
>
> Hi there,
>
> we like to sponsor the Europython conference as "Sponsor".
> How can we transfer the sponoring fee to you? What information do you
> require from us? logos, links, etc.?
>
> Warm regards,
> Niels Mache
>
> > Sponsor - 500 Euro
> > This gives you:
> >
> >     * Your name/link on the website
> >     * An ad in the conference program
> >     * A streamer in each conference room
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From tom.deprez at village.uunet.be  Wed May  5 14:07:24 2004
From: tom.deprez at village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed May  5 14:08:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] possible interview targets
References: <4097DA16.2040308@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c432cb$f0987650$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> Possible interview targets; things we're investigating.
>
> Tom Deprez is interviewing Jacob.
>
> I'm in contact with SteveA about interviewing Mark Shuttleworth.

mmm, I thought I contacted him, but I can't find any info on that...
must have done something wrong.

> I'll also look into interviewing the effbot.
>
> We should interview Armin Rigo and Holger Krekel. I can look into
> these if nobody else will.

I have contacted Armin some time ago and we discussed about an
interview. I've send him questions, but haven't received response since
then. I'll see if I can look into it.

> Shapr will look into interviewing Bram Cohen.
>
> We have some interesting track chairs to interview that we haven't
> before, such as Bea, Anna, John Pinner, Huima.

I still have an interview from Anna (last year) here which needs some
changes and could then go alive. I haven't received a response from her
dough on a question concerning to finish the interview.

> The Zope track needs interviews. There are tons of good candidates,
> such as Rob Page, Chris Withers, and (hey, what an idea!) my business
> partner, Kit Blake. :)

I've also send a question list to Andy Robinson, but haven't received
the answers back

Regards,
Tom.


From tom.deprez at village.uunet.be  Wed May  5 14:08:11 2004
From: tom.deprez at village.uunet.be (Tom Deprez)
Date: Wed May  5 14:08:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting about logistics Wednesday 5 May
References: <200405041953.47533.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <00a701c432cb$f3d79bc0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Oops, sorry, just read this mail and I notice I'm too late.
Sorry!

Tom.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> We will have a meeting focusing on event logistics tomorrow at 18.00
> CET.
>
> I will send out information about todays meeting and an agenda for
> tomorrow during the day tomorrow. The agenda will be based on Dar?o's
> list and the list of things I had made off line while travelling.
>
> Jacob
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From ghum at gmx.net  Wed May  5 15:08:07 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed May  5 15:07:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython / No of attendees
In-Reply-To: <200405051635.03107.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405051635.03107.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40993B97.9030200@gmx.net>

Hello Jacob,

the number of allready registered attendees is quite impressive - 
especially since there were not even talks annnounced, less a detailed 
schedule.

I suggest that these numbers of allready registered participants should 
be posted to the usual channels, with the idea: people go where people go.


Harald

From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May  5 16:11:01 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May  5 16:11:09 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Selling EPC on http://www.europython.org
Message-ID: <think001_40992e860d516@webmail.thinkware.se>

Right now, when Jacob's mail made me think that it would be
really good to try to convince some people to attend EPC,
I start to think about www.europython.org in a different
light... Does it "sell" EPC to visitors? What sells EPC?

I think Mark Shuttleworth, rich as a troll on his Python
programming, traveller to space and sponsor of education
in Africa etc is a selling name.

For Pythonistas, I think Guido van Rossum is a selling name.

The front page doesn't mention either of them. I think
it should. Can someone please make the names of the guest
speakers clearly visible on the front page? (As in previous
years...)

I also think they should be mentioned in the list of
approved talks (they are, aren't they? ;) and on the
http://www.europython.org/current/ page which supposedly
tells people everything they need to know about the event.

If we need more sponsors, I also think it should be clearly
visible on the front page that sponsors are welcome, with
clear and simple instructions of what to do. I know I've 
seen it somewhere, and after some browsing I found
http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sponsors/
but it wasn't as easy as I would have liked. I think we
want a link to that page from the front page as well.

If we want more sponsors, I guess we should change "no 
later than 1 May 2004" to something like "as soon as
possible"... Rather than to mention an admin fee, we
might want to raise all prices 100 eur now. May 1 has
passed.

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May  5 16:36:24 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May  5 16:36:31 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBFdXJvcHl0aG9uIC8gTm8gb2YgYXR0ZW5kZWVz?=
Message-ID: <think001_4099470e1ed5b@webmail.thinkware.se>

Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> the number of allready registered attendees is quite impressive - 
> especially since there were not even talks annnounced, less a detailed 
> schedule.

On the other hand, the number of *additional* people who needs to register 
to make this break even is roughly as impressive, and June 7 is racing
towards us rapidly...

As you suggested, properly announced talks and a detailed schedule will
make it much easier to convince people to attend, and I assume we'll see 
that very soon now.

On the other hand, over 60 talks and (I think) over 50 talkers have been 
listed as approved already. This is really impressing. There are also more 
talks that are as far as I understand approved in practice. 

Compare this with 50 talks at PyCon and 12 (!) talks at the Python 12 (!)
conference.

I'm assuming that EPC will be the largest Python conference to date, measured
both in numbers of talks and in number of talkers. I hope it will also be a 
success measured in the number of visitors. It would be really strange if 
it wasn't, if we just manage to get the message out. This will be a great
Python and Zope conference!

I will at least mail a handful of people who might be interested in EPC,
but might not be aware of it (or might have forgotten about it). If we all
do that, it might help things a bit...

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From faassen at infrae.com  Wed May  5 16:47:54 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed May  5 16:47:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] possible interview targets
In-Reply-To: <00a401c432cb$f0987650$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
References: <4097DA16.2040308@infrae.com>
	<00a401c432cb$f0987650$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <409952FA.5000207@infrae.com>

Tom Deprez wrote:
> Martijn Faassen wrote:

>>Possible interview targets; things we're investigating.
>>
>>Tom Deprez is interviewing Jacob.
>>
>>I'm in contact with SteveA about interviewing Mark Shuttleworth.
> 
> mmm, I thought I contacted him, but I can't find any info on that...
> must have done something wrong.

Did you contact Mark directly or just Steve? I'll proceed with this one 
now if you don't mind?

>>I'll also look into interviewing the effbot.
>>
>>We should interview Armin Rigo and Holger Krekel. I can look into
>>these if nobody else will.

> I have contacted Armin some time ago and we discussed about an
> interview. I've send him questions, but haven't received response since
> then. I'll see if I can look into it.

Note that I'm likely able to come up with some questions for them if you 
are having trouble, Tom. I've been following the PyPy project and 
various other projects from the sidelines for a while. So let me know if 
you need help.

>>Shapr will look into interviewing Bram Cohen.
>>
>>We have some interesting track chairs to interview that we haven't
>>before, such as Bea, Anna, John Pinner, Huima.
>  
> I still have an interview from Anna (last year) here which needs some
> changes and could then go alive. I haven't received a response from her
> dough on a question concerning to finish the interview.

I think we should update this with more questions. Perhaps something 
about "what is Alex Martelli *really* like" :). Okay, cheeky question. 
But she has a talk this year about how to teach Python to your friends 
and family, so I think we should add a question or two about this.

>>The Zope track needs interviews. There are tons of good candidates,
>>such as Rob Page, Chris Withers, and (hey, what an idea!) my business
>>partner, Kit Blake. :)
> 
> 
> I've also send a question list to Andy Robinson, but haven't received
> the answers back.

And are there any volunteers for zope track interviews? Please?

Regards,

Martijn




From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu May  6 02:04:39 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?UTF-8?B?RGFyaW8gTG9wZXotS8Okc3Rlbg==?=)
Date: Thu May  6 02:04:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EPC Material in Swedish
In-Reply-To: <409952FA.5000207@infrae.com>
References: <4097DA16.2040308@infrae.com>	<00a401c432cb$f0987650$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
	<409952FA.5000207@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <4099D577.3080505@ita.chalmers.se>

Hello,

has anyone done any translation of the EPC material and pressreleases in 
Swedish?

I am trying to avoid doing the translation myself here :-)

Also, is there a repository of material, "officially" approved,  that we 
want to use?

Thanx,

/dario


From mwh at python.net  Thu May  6 07:29:59 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu May  6 07:30:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Selling EPC on http://www.europython.org
In-Reply-To: <think001_40992e860d516@webmail.thinkware.se> (Magnus Lycka's
	message of "Wed,  5 May 2004 22:11:01 +0200")
References: <think001_40992e860d516@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <2moep1pzd4.fsf@starship.python.net>

Do you do IRC?

Magnus Lycka <magnus@thinkware.se> writes:

> Right now, when Jacob's mail made me think that it would be
> really good to try to convince some people to attend EPC,
> I start to think about www.europython.org in a different
> light... Does it "sell" EPC to visitors? What sells EPC?

Probably not.  The website has suffered from a fair amount of
"bottom-up" design, now it needs a refactoring (or something :-).

> I think Mark Shuttleworth, rich as a troll on his Python
> programming, traveller to space and sponsor of education
> in Africa etc is a selling name.
>
> For Pythonistas, I think Guido van Rossum is a selling name.
>
> The front page doesn't mention either of them. I think
> it should. Can someone please make the names of the guest
> speakers clearly visible on the front page? (As in previous
> years...)

It does now.

> I also think they should be mentioned in the list of
> approved talks (they are, aren't they? ;)

Hmm.  This might not be totally trivial, as their talks aren't in the
talk database in the way others are.  I can fake it, I guess :-)

> and on the http://www.europython.org/current/ page which supposedly
> tells people everything they need to know about the event.

I always forget about that page...

> If we need more sponsors, I also think it should be clearly
> visible on the front page that sponsors are welcome, with
> clear and simple instructions of what to do. I know I've 
> seen it somewhere, and after some browsing I found
> http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/sponsors/
> but it wasn't as easy as I would have liked. I think we
> want a link to that page from the front page as well.

I've added a link under the sponsors' logos.  Seem like a good place
to you?

> If we want more sponsors, I guess we should change "no 
> later than 1 May 2004" to something like "as soon as
> possible"... Rather than to mention an admin fee, we
> might want to raise all prices 100 eur now. May 1 has
> passed.

These are probably questions for Jacob...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Any form of evilness that can be detected without *too* much effort
  is worth it...  I have no idea what kind of evil we're looking for
  here or how to detect is, so I can't answer yes or no.
                                       -- Guido Van Rossum, python-dev

From mwh at python.net  Thu May  6 07:39:39 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu May  6 07:39:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Selling EPC on http://www.europython.org
In-Reply-To: <2moep1pzd4.fsf@starship.python.net> (Michael Hudson's message
	of "Thu, 06 May 2004 12:29:59 +0100")
References: <think001_40992e860d516@webmail.thinkware.se>
	<2moep1pzd4.fsf@starship.python.net>
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Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> writes:

[keynotes]

>> I also think they should be mentioned in the list of
>> approved talks (they are, aren't they? ;)
>
> Hmm.  This might not be totally trivial, as their talks aren't in the
> talk database in the way others are.  I can fake it, I guess :-)

Though not having titles for either of the talks makes even that hard!
Does anyone know what Mark or Guido will be talking about?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I never realized it before, but having looked that over I'm certain
  I'd rather have my eyes burned out by zombies with flaming dung
  sticks than work on a conscientious Unicode regex engine.
                                             -- Tim Peters, 3 Dec 1998

From lac at strakt.com  Thu May  6 11:13:23 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu May  6 11:13:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Guido's keynote
Message-ID: <200405061513.i46FDNhf004024@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

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Delivery-Date: Thu May  6 16:13:07 2004
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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 07:13:02 -0700
Sender: guido@python.org

> Does your keynote have a tentative title?

How about "Guido's Keynote"?  :-)

- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/)

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Ask a silly person ...

Laura

From AVYRGVROAGQCBY at dip.go.th  Wed May  5 12:11:09 2004
From: AVYRGVROAGQCBY at dip.go.th (Dena Corley)
Date: Thu May  6 12:17:08 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] get the better job * buy a university degree today
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From magnus at thinkware.se  Thu May  6 13:00:54 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Thu May  6 13:01:00 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBTZWxsaW5nIEVQQyBvbiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LmV1cm9weXRob24ub3Jn?=
Message-ID: <think001_409a6dbd0d1e0@webmail.thinkware.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Do you do IRC?

Monday to Thursday I'm limited to a corporate computer where I'm
not allowed to install anything (they eventually gave a time
limited permission for Python), and I'm thoroughly firewalled.
Can't even telnet any longer. :(

Otherwise I would have had real trouble staying away from it
I think...

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From magnus at thinkware.se  Thu May  6 13:19:09 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Thu May  6 13:19:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Biggest Python Conference Ever?
Message-ID: <think001_409a707bc445a@webmail.thinkware.se>

I realize we aren't quite there yet, but it seems to me that
this will be the biggest Python conference to take place so
far. (By biggest I mean by counting talks, track days or 
speakers.) Can anyone confirm (or disprove) this?

I know that Python 10 was four days, but it only ran four 
tracks during two days, and one track the first and last day.
That's 10 track days.

Four tracks for three full days is 12 track days. I don't
know exactly what "stuff" in the time table is, but even if
we exclude that, we have 11 full track days.

It seems this will be a memorable event...

-- 
Magnus Lycka, Thinkware AB
Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From faassen at infrae.com  Thu May  6 14:12:45 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu May  6 14:11:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Biggest Python Conference Ever?
In-Reply-To: <think001_409a707bc445a@webmail.thinkware.se>
References: <think001_409a707bc445a@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <409A801D.7050603@infrae.com>

Magnus Lycka wrote:
> Four tracks for three full days is 12 track days. I don't
> know exactly what "stuff" in the time table is, but even if
> we exclude that, we have 11 full track days.

Stuff is Birds of a Feather sessions (people get together to talk 
informally about topics, this can be announced very quickly in advance) 
and other such events.

The idea of the lightning talks is that it's a big plenary session 
though with many people there, and a set of many small quick talks. It's 
a lot of fun.

Regards,

Martijn


From tom at aragne.com  Thu May  6 14:13:17 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Thu May  6 14:13:17 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] possible interview targets
References: <4097DA16.2040308@infrae.com><00a401c432cb$f0987650$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
	<409952FA.5000207@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <007801c43395$d0528870$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

> Did you contact Mark directly or just Steve? I'll proceed with this
one
> now if you don't mind?

I thought I contacted him directly, but I might be wrong in this. It has
been so hectic lately. Go ahead to contact him.

> >>I'll also look into interviewing the effbot.
> >>
> >>We should interview Armin Rigo and Holger Krekel. I can look into
> >>these if nobody else will.
>
> > I have contacted Armin some time ago and we discussed about an
> > interview. I've send him questions, but haven't received response
since
> > then. I'll see if I can look into it.
>
> Note that I'm likely able to come up with some questions for them if
you
> are having trouble, Tom. I've been following the PyPy project and
> various other projects from the sidelines for a while. So let me know
if
> you need help.

Okay.

> >>Shapr will look into interviewing Bram Cohen.
> >>
> >>We have some interesting track chairs to interview that we haven't
> >>before, such as Bea, Anna, John Pinner, Huima.
> >
> > I still have an interview from Anna (last year) here which needs
some
> > changes and could then go alive. I haven't received a response from
her
> > dough on a question concerning to finish the interview.
>
> I think we should update this with more questions. Perhaps something
> about "what is Alex Martelli *really* like" :). Okay, cheeky question.
> But she has a talk this year about how to teach Python to your friends
> and family, so I think we should add a question or two about this.
>
> >>The Zope track needs interviews. There are tons of good candidates,
> >>such as Rob Page, Chris Withers, and (hey, what an idea!) my
business
> >>partner, Kit Blake. :)
> >
> >
> > I've also send a question list to Andy Robinson, but haven't
received
> > the answers back.
>
> And are there any volunteers for zope track interviews? Please?
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From faassen at infrae.com  Fri May  7 04:08:39 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri May  7 04:08:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Needed: People who conduct interviews
Message-ID: <409B4407.3040304@infrae.com>

Hi there,

Would all volunteers who want to conduct interviews please report to the 
list? We especially need volunteers to conduct interviews to the Zope 
track, but more interviewers for the other tracks are welcome too of course.

We don't need more interview candidates. We have plenty. We just don't 
have interviewers. If you insist someone gets interviewed, become an 
interviewer! As an interviewer, you can practically set your own 
candidates, as long as these people at least show up at EuroPython (them 
speaking or running a track would be nice but isn't even required).

An interview is just a bunch of emails back and forth, and/or an irc 
conversation. You can ask others for help if you have trouble coming up 
with questions. Then you format it, and place it at the EuroPython site at:

http://www.europython.org/interviews

Interviews are a GREAT way of building up excitement about the 
conference and attracting more people to attend. That is, if we do the 
interviews now and start announcing them regularly to the world.

I'm sure 15 interviewers will now stand up and start conducting 
interviews straight away! Thank you all!

Regards,

Martijn

From m.badescu at bucarest.finsiel.ro  Fri May  7 08:07:49 2004
From: m.badescu at bucarest.finsiel.ro (Miruna Badescu)
Date: Fri May  7 08:05:33 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Becoming and advertiser at Europython 2004
Message-ID: <!~!UENERkVCMDkAAQACAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABgAAAAAAAAA56vLcCvOmEOBZfZZ9wcA28KAAAAQAAAANya/z0H1J0qrbpfsFWg3/AEAAAAA@bucarest.finsiel.ro>


Hi EP team,

My company - Finsiel Romania - is sending someone at the Europython 2004 and
we'd like to have an ad published on the conference program. Is this still
possible? If so, I would appreciate details on how to submit the text, how
many words, pictures, any prefered format, etc.

Thank you,
Miruna


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Cu stima / Kind regards, Miruna Badescu
Project Manager, Finsiel ROMANIA
44A, Ficusului St. - 71544 Bucharest
Tel: +40 21 2320193
Fax: +40 21 2329807
URL: http://www.finsiel.ro
mail: m.badescu@bucarest.finsiel.ro
Jabber: miruna@jabber.finsiel.ro




From jacob at strakt.com  Fri May  7 10:52:47 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri May  7 10:52:51 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Progress update
Message-ID: <200405071652.47255.jacob@strakt.com>

Folks,

we are moving into a phase when we need to communicate what we have done more 
frequently than at the meetings, so please send mails to the list when things 
are happening.

(No, putting it in the wiki is not a solution. It requires everyone to poll 
all the possible places where information could show up.)

Anyway, here is my progress report:

- I have talked to the Chalmers Restaurang AB people. We will have a pub right 
after the Monday keynote. They ask us to garantee a SEK 2000 turnover for the 
night, which is no problem. They will have some sort of food, either their 
regular bar menu or a buff?. 

They will also tell us if we can use the kitchen at the caf? on Monday, and I 
will get prices for their options for coffee and lunches.

- I have sent emails to ActiveState, O'Reilly and Computer Press about 
sponsorship and book sales. ActiveState will sponsor us as an advertiser and 
will probably send some promotional materials as well.

No response so far from O'Reilly, but then it has only been a day.

Computer Press which is a Swedish bookstore/small publisher says that they are 
too far away to get any economy in selling books at the conference. They 
offer an alternative where they send sample books and people can get them by 
mail order. I think this is an inverior solution and I will approach 
Akademibokhandeln (which is local) next.

- I am up to date and communicating with everyone who has shown an interest in 
sponsoring.

- I have started communicating with the people who will stream the Zope track. 
I need a procedure for handling their payment.

Jacob

From jacob at strakt.com  Fri May  7 11:25:20 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri May  7 11:25:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Need paths to the admin side of things
Message-ID: <200405071725.20412.jacob@strakt.com>

I haven't been doing anything through the shell account and through the plone 
editing facilities while being away. Thus, I have managed to forget
- URL to the plone management
- Machine name, account name and password for the shell account

Could someone please mail these details to me?

Jacob

From sajsttc at ku.ac.th  Sat May  8 01:47:57 2004
From: sajsttc at ku.ac.th (Abel Sprague)
Date: Sat May  8 00:57:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] 11| surveys = cash
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From: hamster at dds.nl (hamster@dds.nl)
Date: Sat May  8 15:08:30 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython, How do they sa-ck those c0c.k-s?
In-Reply-To: <3810BJ020IK1KG6C@python.org>
References: <3810BJ020IK1KG6C@python.org>
Message-ID: <64FBF60IL4DB4A35@dds.nl>

Looks like you've come to a real Z00 here! Yeap! We have goats, we have horses,
sheep, snakes, even dogs!

e have lots of @n1m@ls here and we also have lots of g1r|s who just love
to have some s. e -x with these creatures? How do they do it?


http://zoo-action.com/av/val/?DyJkW


How do they sa-ck those c0c.k-s?

How do they f@kk with snakes? Snakes don't have c0c.k-s!!! 

Guys! Our g1r|s can do it with every creature they want! 
They are ready for it! They are tired from men!

They do realize that wild @n1m@ls are f@kking like no man would ever f@kk them.
Cause they are animals and they f@kk just like everybody did thousands 
and millions years ago!



http://zoo-action.com/av/val/?qWMgE


Stunning 1ma-.ges, v1de0s, art series, lots of @n1m@ls, y0.u-n.g horny g1r|s 
spre@d1ng their legs and s@kking c0c-k.s!

This is a first ever -X-.-X-.-X- zoo where every g1r| can f@kk the creature she wants!

LOOK AT THIS NOW!



ZNhrHNJY

PeWaRqPvI


From jeremiannika at comcast.net  Sat May  8 17:53:05 2004
From: jeremiannika at comcast.net (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Sat May  8 17:53:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Needed: People who conduct interviews
Message-ID: <409D56C1.8050209@comcast.net>

Martijn,

I would be happy to interview someone for the EuroPython convention. I 
would love to interview Guido or Alex, but I am happy to interview 
whomever you wish me to interview. I would probably be more effective 
focusing on somewhat higher level concepts in Python, but more technical 
issues would be fine as well.

Let me know how I should approach this.

Best,

Jeremiah

From jacob at strakt.com  Sun May  9 11:05:03 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Sun May  9 11:05:10 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How do I query talks and attendee database?
Message-ID: <200405091705.04005.jacob@strakt.com>

I have grown very tired from trying to query the databse from the web.
There must be an interface where we can write simple Python scripts that can 
be run from the shell account to extract the information from the database.

Hopefully, it is just as simple to write scripts that modify the database.

Apart from an example of how to do this, I would need a schema of the database 
as well. I assume that extracting one is a piece of cake, if you know how.

Jacob

From john at clocksoft.com  Sun May  9 16:20:46 2004
From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner)
Date: Sun May  9 16:21:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Putting your talks in the schedule
In-Reply-To: <200405071812.30951.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405071812.30951.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <409E929E.3070204@clocksoft.com>

Jacob,

I have attempted to put talks into the schedule for the Business Track, 
a clunky job it is too!

Of 6 talks I set up as instructed, only two show on the schedule.

I wanted to put in a 15 minute 'Intro to the Business Track' but could 
not - presumably because submissions have closed. My fault.

I have reduced the time allocated to the panel discussions and this has 
reduced the Business track to 3 blocks from 4, you will be glad to know.

The schedule I tried to enter was:

Day 1:

13:30  Introduction to Business Track
13:45  How Python has helped us to convince prospective customers
14:15  10 reasons why you should give a Sh*t about Zope

15:30  How to write large-scale applications with Python
16:15  Licensing your Python Apps - Panel


Day 2:

13:30  EMC Vehicle Testing with Python
14:15  Software Patents and DRM - Panel


best wishes,

John
-- 


intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com)


From faassen at infrae.com  Sun May  9 17:13:54 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sun May  9 17:14:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Needed: People who conduct interviews
In-Reply-To: <409D56C1.8050209@comcast.net>
References: <409D56C1.8050209@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <409E9F12.2060501@infrae.com>

Jeremiah Foster wrote:
> I would be happy to interview someone for the EuroPython convention. I 
> would love to interview Guido or Alex, but I am happy to interview 
> whomever you wish me to interview. I would probably be more effective 
> focusing on somewhat higher level concepts in Python, but more technical 
> issues would be fine as well.
> 
> Let me know how I should approach this.

Ah, great, thanks! We've interviewed both Guido and Alex before, so you 
have to come up with new questions. Take a look at the existing 
interviews if you haven't already:

http://www.europython.org/interviews

Try to get some questions related to EuroPython snuck in here (what 
they're going to talk about, for instance). I'm interested in personally 
what Guido is actually *doing* at his new job, and I suspect I'm not the 
only one. Feel free to share the interviews-in-progress with me and Tom 
Deprez (or other volunteers who want to help, if only with coming up 
with good questions); keep it in private email as we don't want to give 
away the answers when we're not done with it yet. :)

We'd like to interview new people too though; people we haven't 
interviewed in previous years. Guido has been interviewed a million 
times before, but what about, say, Armin Rigo? Look at the talk page and 
see if anything strikes your fancy. My earlier post also listed some 
good candidates.

Let the list know who you're interviewing so we don't overburden people 
with multiple interviews. :)

Regards,

Martijn

From huima at iki.fi  Sun May  9 17:32:58 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Sun May  9 17:32:45 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>
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On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:16:25 +0200, Stefane Fermigier <sf@nuxeo.com> wrote:

Stefane Fermigier contacted me about not accepted talks and had his  
opinion on if my calls were fair.

I'm sending this also to europython-list to make sure that people  
understand basis for my decisions as the track chair - and if there are a  
lot of different opinions, we can open discussion on how to develope the  
acceptance process to be something that would make the conference better.

> | Not accepted talks were:
> | ------------------------
> | ArchGenXML: model driven content type development in a few minutes
> | CPS Schemas and Directories
> | Creating PDF Templates with RML in Zope
> | Dynamic graphical menu generation using icoya ButtonMagick
> | Extended XLink Website with Parsed XML
> | Flexible website menu generation with CMFMenuFolder
> | Proxies, workflows and events within CPS3
> | Python on a Java platform: High-Performance Text Indexing with Lucene
> | union.cms: a new mix
>
> I find a bit strange that 2 talks (60 minutes each!) were accepted about
> Archetype but none about CPSSchemas.
>
> Same for the balance between Plone and CPS.
>
> This is unfair, IMHO.

Yes, you can say that it is unfair and I do understand your view.

However I wish you understand that I make the calls based on perception on  
what people want to see and hear, and what will be good for the  
conference. This is not yet a democratic process - though it would be an  
interesting idea to have a slot where talks would be selected based on how  
registered participants ( mainly earlybirds ) vote.

Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is very  
popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with questions. To  
have the possibility to get the main architect and person who has  
contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do talks is about  
creating good conference program, not about being unfair.

Looking at Zope track there are four talks that mention Plone in their  
subject:

Ship intranet applications with Plone
Past, present and future of Plone.
Link management in Zope/Plone.
Organizing Zope and Plone.

Two of those talks are not Plone-specific ( link management and Organizing  
zope & plone ) - but have something also relating to Plone. Christian  
Theune's talk about link management in Zope/Plone - will cover issues of  
threading etc. that they had to solve during development of  
CMFLinkChecker. And naturally Paul will be spinning some organisational  
opensource magic into the crowd - and use Plone as an example.

At the same time there are also three CPS-specific talks:

PyPackage.org and the EDOS project
CPSSkins
CPS: past, present, future (II)

There are three talks that will cover/view Zope 3, two talks about Zope  
Corp and their project showcase, only one Silva talk and few miscellaneous  
technical talks. I really can't say that the program would be too much or  
even at all biased towards Plone. My opinion is that the Zope track has  
now a well balanced program that should give participants something that  
they can use now and something for tomorrow.

Perhaps next year we should have paraller to other Zope-talks either a  
Plone specific block - or even a Plone-track as fifth paraller track.  
Plone team has already proved that Plone can gather groups large enough  
for just Plone specific conference.

Please do tell us your views and opinions on how to improve Europython.

-- 
-huima


From sf at nuxeo.com  Sun May  9 18:04:38 2004
From: sf at nuxeo.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Sun May  9 18:05:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
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| On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:16:25 +0200, Stefane Fermigier <sf@nuxeo.com> wrote:
|
| Stefane Fermigier contacted me about not accepted talks and had his
| opinion on if my calls were fair.
|
| I'm sending this also to europython-list to make sure that people
| understand basis for my decisions as the track chair - and if there are
| a  lot of different opinions, we can open discussion on how to develope
| the  acceptance process to be something that would make the conference
| better.
|
|> | Not accepted talks were:
|> | ------------------------
|> | ArchGenXML: model driven content type development in a few minutes
|> | CPS Schemas and Directories
|> | Creating PDF Templates with RML in Zope
|> | Dynamic graphical menu generation using icoya ButtonMagick
|> | Extended XLink Website with Parsed XML
|> | Flexible website menu generation with CMFMenuFolder
|> | Proxies, workflows and events within CPS3
|> | Python on a Java platform: High-Performance Text Indexing with Lucene
|> | union.cms: a new mix
|>
|> I find a bit strange that 2 talks (60 minutes each!) were accepted about
|> Archetype but none about CPSSchemas.
|>
|> Same for the balance between Plone and CPS.
|>
|> This is unfair, IMHO.
|
|
| Yes, you can say that it is unfair and I do understand your view.
|
| However I wish you understand that I make the calls based on perception
| on  what people want to see and hear, and what will be good for the
| conference. This is not yet a democratic process - though it would be
| an  interesting idea to have a slot where talks would be selected based
| on how  registered participants ( mainly earlybirds ) vote.
|
| Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is very
| popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with questions.
| To  have the possibility to get the main architect and person who has
| contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do talks is about
| creating good conference program, not about being unfair.
|
| Looking at Zope track there are four talks that mention Plone in their
| subject:
|
| Ship intranet applications with Plone
| Past, present and future of Plone.
| Link management in Zope/Plone.
| Organizing Zope and Plone.
|
| Two of those talks are not Plone-specific ( link management and
| Organizing  zope & plone ) - but have something also relating to Plone.
| Christian  Theune's talk about link management in Zope/Plone - will
| cover issues of  threading etc. that they had to solve during
| development of  CMFLinkChecker. And naturally Paul will be spinning some
| organisational  opensource magic into the crowd - and use Plone as an
| example.
|
| At the same time there are also three CPS-specific talks:
|
| PyPackage.org and the EDOS project

As I have told you and Martijn, this talk is only very remotely related to Zope
and CPS, and it should go in the testing/qa track. But if there is no other
option, I'd much rather keep it for another conference and leave some room to
Florent and Julien who have more interesting things to tell.

	S.

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From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Sun May  9 18:32:31 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Sun May  9 18:37:59 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
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Heimo Laukkanen wrote:

> On Sun, 09 May 2004 22:16:25 +0200, Stefane Fermigier <sf@nuxeo.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Stefane Fermigier contacted me about not accepted talks and had his  
> opinion on if my calls were fair.
>
> I'm sending this also to europython-list to make sure that people  
> understand basis for my decisions as the track chair - and if there 
> are a  lot of different opinions, we can open discussion on how to 
> develope the  acceptance process to be something that would make the 
> conference better.
>
>> | Not accepted talks were:
>> | ------------------------
>> | ArchGenXML: model driven content type development in a few minutes
>> | CPS Schemas and Directories
>> | Creating PDF Templates with RML in Zope
>> | Dynamic graphical menu generation using icoya ButtonMagick
>> | Extended XLink Website with Parsed XML
>> | Flexible website menu generation with CMFMenuFolder
>> | Proxies, workflows and events within CPS3
>> | Python on a Java platform: High-Performance Text Indexing with Lucene
>> | union.cms: a new mix
>>
>> I find a bit strange that 2 talks (60 minutes each!) were accepted about
>> Archetype but none about CPSSchemas.
>>
>> Same for the balance between Plone and CPS.
>>
>> This is unfair, IMHO.
>
>
> Yes, you can say that it is unfair and I do understand your view.
>
> However I wish you understand that I make the calls based on 
> perception on  what people want to see and hear, and what will be good 
> for the  conference. This is not yet a democratic process - though it 
> would be an  interesting idea to have a slot where talks would be 
> selected based on how  registered participants ( mainly earlybirds ) 
> vote.
>
> Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is 
> very  popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with 
> questions. To  have the possibility to get the main architect and 
> person who has  contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do 
> talks is about  creating good conference program, not about being unfair.
>
> Looking at Zope track there are four talks that mention Plone in 
> their  subject:
>
> Ship intranet applications with Plone
> Past, present and future of Plone.
> Link management in Zope/Plone.
> Organizing Zope and Plone.
>
> Two of those talks are not Plone-specific ( link management and 
> Organizing  zope & plone ) - but have something also relating to 
> Plone. Christian  Theune's talk about link management in Zope/Plone - 
> will cover issues of  threading etc. that they had to solve during 
> development of  CMFLinkChecker. And naturally Paul will be spinning 
> some organisational  opensource magic into the crowd - and use Plone 
> as an example.
>
> At the same time there are also three CPS-specific talks:
>
> PyPackage.org and the EDOS project
> CPSSkins
> CPS: past, present, future (II)
>
> There are three talks that will cover/view Zope 3, two talks about 
> Zope  Corp and their project showcase, only one Silva talk and few 
> miscellaneous  technical talks. I really can't say that the program 
> would be too much or  even at all biased towards Plone. My opinion is 
> that the Zope track has  now a well balanced program that should give 
> participants something that  they can use now and something for tomorrow.
>
> Perhaps next year we should have paraller to other Zope-talks either 
> a  Plone specific block - or even a Plone-track as fifth paraller 
> track.  Plone team has already proved that Plone can gather groups 
> large enough  for just Plone specific conference.
>
> Please do tell us your views and opinions on how to improve Europython.
>
Hi! here is my view on it.

CPSSchemas does the same thing as Archetypes but in a different way. I 
found the TTW design possibilities that CPSSchemas offers very valuable 
for rapidly developing new portal types, with a very clear separation 
between schemas / layouts / form control / portal types . It would be 
interesting for conference attendees to see the differences between the 
two approaches (filesystem vs TTW), especially when both products are 
targeted towards CMF

now considering the recent thread about the future of CMF ( 
http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-cmf/2004-March/020363.html ) I would 
like to hear both approaches presented by those who have developed and 
designed the products to compare the design philosophies, at least for 
the sake of opening a discussion...

PS: CPSSkins is CPS-related as opposed to being CPS-specific.

Regards /JM



From jacob at strakt.com  Sun May  9 21:01:17 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Sun May  9 21:01:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
Message-ID: <200405100301.17137.jacob@strakt.com>

I have fixed some problems in the schedule. Please check extra carefully that 
you have put in the right data. Two people already managed to get things 
wrong. They still have done much better than the 3 people who haven't 
submitted anything.

I have mailed all the big IT companies in the region that I can think of about 
participation and sponsorship.

I have mailed our local newspaper and the IT-focused magazines in Sweden, as 
well as a few others that I consider to be unlikely but possible 
contributors.

Jacob

From ivo at amaze.nl  Mon May 10 04:02:55 2004
From: ivo at amaze.nl (Ivo van der Wijk)
Date: Mon May 10 04:03:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] sponsor requirements
Message-ID: <409F372F.1030704@amaze.nl>

Hi,

I understand we (Amaze) are an 'organizing sponsor' - we sponsor hosting/support 
of live and development site for europython.

Does anyone require anything specific from me? Logo, texts, whatever? I'm not 
100% sure what to expect from this sponsor ship, and what we should deliver for 
it to use it effectively.

Cheers

	Ivo

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From ja at nuxeo.com  Mon May 10 04:05:33 2004
From: ja at nuxeo.com (Julien Anguenot)
Date: Mon May 10 04:06:05 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com> <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
Message-ID: <409F37CD.7000607@nuxeo.com>

Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
> 
> However I wish you understand that I make the calls based on perception 
> on  what people want to see and hear, and what will be good for the  
> conference. 

right...

> Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is very  
> popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with questions. 
> To  have the possibility to get the main architect and person who has  
> contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do talks is about  
> creating good conference program, not about being unfair.
> 

Same thing for a lot of zope based projects.

> Looking at Zope track there are four talks that mention Plone in their  
> subject:
> 
> Ship intranet applications with Plone
> Past, present and future of Plone.
> Link management in Zope/Plone.
> Organizing Zope and Plone.
> 
> Two of those talks are not Plone-specific ( link management and 
> Organizing  zope & plone ) - but have something also relating to Plone. 
> Christian  Theune's talk about link management in Zope/Plone - will 
> cover issues of  threading etc. that they had to solve during 
> development of  CMFLinkChecker. And naturally Paul will be spinning some 
> organisational  opensource magic into the crowd - and use Plone as an 
> example.
> 
> At the same time there are also three CPS-specific talks:
> 
> PyPackage.org and the EDOS project
> CPSSkins
> CPS: past, present, future (II)
> 

This is 3 CPS *RELATED* talks.

but... this is zero (0) CPS (specific) technical talk.

Especially, this year CPS changed a lot and a lot of work has been done 
around it with a major release of CPS (3).  We really thought it was a 
good occasion to present the work done to the community.

Regards,

	J.
-- 
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Mail : anguenot@nuxeo.com ; Mobile : +33 (0) 6 72 57 57 66


From mwh at python.net  Mon May 10 04:31:38 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon May 10 04:31:47 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Putting your talks in the schedule
In-Reply-To: <409E929E.3070204@clocksoft.com> (John Pinner's message of
	"Sun, 09 May 2004 21:20:46 +0100")
References: <200405071812.30951.jacob@strakt.com>
	<409E929E.3070204@clocksoft.com>
Message-ID: <2moeowof85.fsf@starship.python.net>

John Pinner <john@clocksoft.com> writes:

> Jacob,
>
> I have attempted to put talks into the schedule for the Business
> Track, a clunky job it is too!

Yes.

> Of 6 talks I set up as instructed, only two show on the schedule.
>
> I wanted to put in a 15 minute 'Intro to the Business Track' but could
> not - presumably because submissions have closed. My fault.

You should still, as manager, be allowed to add talks.  I think the
tab you are looking for is "add talk" :-)

> I have reduced the time allocated to the panel discussions and this
> has reduced the Business track to 3 blocks from 4, you will be glad to
> know.

I'm not sure what difference knowing this *now* makes... I guess we'll
sort things out in the meeting tonight.

> The schedule I tried to enter was:
>
> Day 1:
>
> 13:30  Introduction to Business Track
> 13:45  How Python has helped us to convince prospective customers
> 14:15  10 reasons why you should give a Sh*t about Zope

Well, this isn't going to work with the talkMatrix as is, because that
currently only considers talks which lie on 30 minute boundaries.

I also thought we had an agreement at one point to all schedule talks
on the same boundaries in each block to make moving between tracks
easier.

That said, I can probably fix the talkMatrix to cope with this without
ridiculous amounts of pain.

> 15:30  How to write large-scale applications with Python
> 16:15  Licensing your Python Apps - Panel
>
>
> Day 2:
>
> 13:30  EMC Vehicle Testing with Python
> 14:15  Software Patents and DRM - Panel

45 minute talks again!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
 Have you considered downgrading your arrogance to a reasonable level?
        -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp, to yet another C++-using troll

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 10 05:31:21 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon May 10 05:31:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Putting your talks in the schedule
In-Reply-To: <2moeowof85.fsf@starship.python.net> (Michael Hudson's message
	of "Mon, 10 May 2004 09:31:38 +0100")
References: <200405071812.30951.jacob@strakt.com>
	<409E929E.3070204@clocksoft.com> <2moeowof85.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <2mk6zkocgm.fsf@starship.python.net>

Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> writes:

> John Pinner <john@clocksoft.com> writes:
>
>> 15:30  How to write large-scale applications with Python
>> 16:15  Licensing your Python Apps - Panel

We also seem to be in danger of getting Marc-Andr? to need to be in
two places at once...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  ... but I guess there are some things that are so gross you just have
  to forget, or it'll destroy something within you.  perl is the first
  such thing I have known.              -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Mon May 10 07:54:04 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon May 10 07:54:22 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How do I query talks and attendee database?
In-Reply-To: <200405091705.04005.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405091705.04005.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <409F6D5C.7010103@simplistix.co.uk>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> I have grown very tired from trying to query the databse from the web.
> There must be an interface where we can write simple Python scripts that can 
> be run from the shell account to extract the information from the database.
> 
> Hopefully, it is just as simple to write scripts that modify the database.
> 
> Apart from an example of how to do this, I would need a schema of the database 
> as well. I assume that extracting one is a piece of cake, if you know how.

xmlrpclib is your friend....

Chris

-- 
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            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon May 10 10:59:28 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon May 10 10:59:38 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com> <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
Message-ID: <409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>

Heimo Laukkanen wrote:

> Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is very  
> popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with questions. 
> To  have the possibility to get the main architect and person who has  
> contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do talks is about  
> creating good conference program, not about being unfair.

I think that it would be very interesting for the Archetypes community
to hear about CPS schemas. AFAIK there is an on-going discussion in the
CMF community about possible ways of having them interact.

I think it would be *very* interesting for the Zope community at large 
to make this happen.

> CPSSkins

This product is *not* CPS centric. Thought it originally grew around the 
need to make CPS look nice, it has since then grown to be not only 
compatible with Plone, but also the only product that can skin 
CPS/CMF/Plone sites in WYSIWYG way.

It is like Indesign/PageMaker for CMF sites. This should be interesting 
for all skinners of Plone, CMF and CPS sites.

/dario


-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.



From paul at zope-europe.org  Mon May 10 11:20:49 2004
From: paul at zope-europe.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon May 10 11:21:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com> <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>
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BTW, there is a place in the schedule for a panel discussion.  This is 
planned to be a "CMS for Zope: Implementors" where the architects 
implementing CMS systems for Zope tackle common issues.

Heimo and I have one more issue to tackle before I can promote this (we 
might have a similar panel for integrators, to define what is needed).  
However, I think this will be:

a) very useful and,

b) very popular.

--Paul

On May 10, 2004, at 4:59 PM, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
>
>> Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is 
>> very  popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with 
>> questions. To  have the possibility to get the main architect and 
>> person who has  contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do 
>> talks is about  creating good conference program, not about being 
>> unfair.
>
> I think that it would be very interesting for the Archetypes community
> to hear about CPS schemas. AFAIK there is an on-going discussion in the
> CMF community about possible ways of having them interact.
>
> I think it would be *very* interesting for the Zope community at large 
> to make this happen.
>
>> CPSSkins
>
> This product is *not* CPS centric. Thought it originally grew around 
> the need to make CPS look nice, it has since then grown to be not only 
> compatible with Plone, but also the only product that can skin 
> CPS/CMF/Plone sites in WYSIWYG way.
>
> It is like Indesign/PageMaker for CMF sites. This should be 
> interesting for all skinners of Plone, CMF and CPS sites.
>
> /dario
>
>
> -- 
> -- -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
>
>


From sf at nuxeo.com  Mon May 10 11:38:30 2004
From: sf at nuxeo.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Mon May 10 11:38:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>
	<9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>
Message-ID: <409FA1F6.9030605@nuxeo.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> BTW, there is a place in the schedule for a panel discussion.  This is 
> planned to be a "CMS for Zope: Implementors" where the architects 
> implementing CMS systems for Zope tackle common issues.

This sounds nice.

I doesn't address the issue, though, that there won't be a detailed (or 
even semi-detailed) presentation of CPSSchemas and of the 
Repository/Proxy/Event framework in CPS3, so this discussion will be 
completely abstract in the case of CPS.

	S.

-- 
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From faassen at infrae.com  Mon May 10 12:15:36 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon May 10 12:14:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <409EAAF6.6060609@nuxeo.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409EAAF6.6060609@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <409FAAA8.9070905@infrae.com>

Stefane Fermigier wrote:

> As I have told you and Martijn, this talk is only very remotely
> related to Zope and CPS, and it should go in the testing/qa track.
> But if there is no other option, I'd much rather keep it for another
> conference and leave some room to Florent and Julien who have more
> interesting things to tell.

Okay, I hadn't realized I should be taking this one over (somehow), 
sorry, and already time-planned the testing track so this is pretty 
tight. I may be able to shift things around but it all fits neatly in 2 
blocks now. And the Python Frameworks track doesn't have free space 
left... Hm..

Regards,

Martijn


From faassen at infrae.com  Mon May 10 13:45:36 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon May 10 13:44:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>
	<9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>
Message-ID: <409FBFC0.1050105@infrae.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> 
> BTW, there is a place in the schedule for a panel discussion.  This is 
> planned to be a "CMS for Zope: Implementors" where the architects 
> implementing CMS systems for Zope tackle common issues.
> 
> Heimo and I have one more issue to tackle before I can promote this (we 
> might have a similar panel for integrators, to define what is needed).  
> However, I think this will be:
> 
> a) very useful and,
> 
> b) very popular.

I'd like that panel discussion. Can't perhaps some of the CPS talks 
turned into Zope lightning talks, and then swapped out for other (more 
technical) CPS talks?

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Mon May 10 13:51:28 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon May 10 13:50:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com> <opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
Message-ID: <409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>

Heimo Laukkanen wrote:

> Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is very  
> popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with questions. 
> To  have the possibility to get the main architect and person who has  
> contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do talks is about  
> creating good conference program, not about being unfair.

Speaking as a fellow track chair:

60 minutes is a LONG time for a talk. Personally I already find 45 
minutes rather long to keep focused sometimes.

I've kept all the talks on my track to 30 minutes for that reason (and 
before I needed the space). I've found speakers are quite amenable to 
this. You could ask one of your archetypes speakers to cut it down by 30 
minutes, perhaps. Perhaps this, and/or a talk swap for another CPS 
related talk you could make people happier.

I'm interested in hearing about stuff I haven't heard about before, 
personally. :)

Regards,

Martijn

From tom at aragne.com  Mon May 10 15:12:57 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon May 10 15:13:10 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <01ab01c436c2$d8af29d0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

I agree with Martijn here.

60 Minute talks are indeed long. It asks a lot from the public to keep
focused for 60min on the same object.
With talks of 60min, there is a big chance some parts are completely
missed by the public, so it is better to have some change in subjects,
which keep the public more focused. That's why I prefer talks lesser
than 45min (my opinion)
You could reduce them to 30min or 45min. If you do the last, you already
have one extra slot of 30 min available.

Regards,
Tom

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
>
>> Yes there are two 60 minute Archetypes talks since that project is
>> very popular, interesting and at the same time also filled with
>> questions. To  have the possibility to get the main architect and
>> person who has contributed a lot of new features to the HEAD to do
>> talks is about creating good conference program, not about being
>> unfair.
>
> Speaking as a fellow track chair:
>
> 60 minutes is a LONG time for a talk. Personally I already find 45
> minutes rather long to keep focused sometimes.
>
> I've kept all the talks on my track to 30 minutes for that reason (and
> before I needed the space). I've found speakers are quite amenable to
> this. You could ask one of your archetypes speakers to cut it down by
> 30 minutes, perhaps. Perhaps this, and/or a talk swap for another CPS
> related talk you could make people happier.
>
> I'm interested in hearing about stuff I haven't heard about before,
> personally. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon May 10 15:21:44 2004
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon May 10 15:33:43 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <01ab01c436c2$d8af29d0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>
	<01ab01c436c2$d8af29d0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
Message-ID: <409FD648.302@ita.chalmers.se>

Tom Deprez wrote:

>I agree with Martijn here.
>
>60 Minute talks are indeed long. It asks a lot from the public to keep
>focused for 60min on the same object.
>With talks of 60min, there is a big chance some parts are completely
>missed by the public, so it is better to have some change in subjects,
>which keep the public more focused. That's why I prefer talks lesser
>than 45min (my opinion)
>You could reduce them to 30min or 45min. If you do the last, you already
>have one extra slot of 30 min available.
>
>Regards,
>Tom
>
>  
>

I agree, for the sake of getting another perspective on schemas 
implementations if the CPSSchemas talk could be fitted after one of the 
Archetypes talks, it would make the whole thing even more interesting. 
Zope3 has yet another implementation so obvioulsy there is more than one 
way to do schemas.

Regard /JM

From huima at iki.fi  Mon May 10 16:56:57 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Mon May 10 16:56:40 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <409FD648.302@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>
	<01ab01c436c2$d8af29d0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>
	<409FD648.302@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <opr7sxs7q7iddoij@smtp.welho.com>

On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:21:44 +0200, Jean-Marc Orliaguet  
<jmo@ita.chalmers.se> wrote:


> I agree, for the sake of getting another perspective on schemas  
> implementations if the CPSSchemas talk could be fitted after one of the  
> Archetypes talks, it would make the whole thing even more interesting.  
> Zope3 has yet another implementation so obvioulsy there is more than one  
> way to do schemas.

Very good points indeed from all of you. I sent messages to spekers and  
see how they respond.

-- 
-huima


From huima at iki.fi  Tue May 11 01:27:03 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Tue May 11 01:27:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <409FA1F6.9030605@nuxeo.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>
	<9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>
	<409FA1F6.9030605@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <40A06427.2030309@iki.fi>

Hi all,

I just got replies from both Andreas Jung and Benjamin Saller and they 
were ok to cut down their talks by 15 minutes each. This way we have got 
atleast 30 minute slot in the program to present the CPSSchemas for 
participants.

I will update track schedule later on today and beat some drum about how 
interesting meeting this will be for anyone doing work with either of 
the tools.

-huima

From sf at nuxeo.com  Tue May 11 04:39:20 2004
From: sf at nuxeo.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Tue May 11 04:39:30 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <40A06427.2030309@iki.fi>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>	<9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>	<409FA1F6.9030605@nuxeo.com>
	<40A06427.2030309@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <40A09138.60803@nuxeo.com>

Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just got replies from both Andreas Jung and Benjamin Saller and they 
> were ok to cut down their talks by 15 minutes each. This way we have got 
> atleast 30 minute slot in the program to present the CPSSchemas for 
> participants.
> 
> I will update track schedule later on today and beat some drum about how 
> interesting meeting this will be for anyone doing work with either of 
> the tools.

OK, thanks to them.

As I suggested earlier, I'm willing to move my EDOS talk to the 
lightning track so as to make room for Julien who has the second half of 
the technical CPS talk, without which the presentation would not be 
complete (CPS3 is more than juste Schemas and Documents).

Is that possible ?

	S.

PS: in case someone has not noticed, CPS 3.1.0 has been released 
yesterday on zope.org (http://zope.org/Members/nuxeo/news/cps310release) 
with exciting new features. This is a devel release, but it should be 
fairly stable (the core modules don't change a lot anymore, and 
functionalities are added in new products). We hope to do a 3.2.0 
(stable) by EuroPython, though we're a little bit late on the schedule.

-- 
St?fane Fermigier, Tel: +33 (0)6 63 04 12 77 (mobile).
Nuxeo Collaborative Portal Server: http://www.nuxeo.com/cps
Gestion de contenu web / portail collaboratif / groupware / open source!


From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May 11 05:01:49 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue May 11 05:02:03 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <40A0967D.1040702@infrae.com>

Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Speaking as a fellow track chair:
> 
> 60 minutes is a LONG time for a talk. Personally I already find 45 
> minutes rather long to keep focused sometimes.
> 
> I've kept all the talks on my track to 30 minutes for that reason (and 
> before I needed the space).

I meant to say *because* I needed the space.

Regards,

Martijn


From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May 11 05:03:31 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue May 11 05:03:41 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <40A06427.2030309@iki.fi>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>	<9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>	<409FA1F6.9030605@nuxeo.com>
	<40A06427.2030309@iki.fi>
Message-ID: <40A096E3.5010306@infrae.com>

Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
> I just got replies from both Andreas Jung and Benjamin Saller and they 
> were ok to cut down their talks by 15 minutes each. This way we have got 
> atleast 30 minute slot in the program to present the CPSSchemas for 
> participants.

Note that this will make for a rather messy scheduling problem. We've 
deliberately kept all talk lengths at intervals of 30 minutes this year, 
so that people can actually shift between tracks without missing 15 
minutes at one end of the talk or another.

> I will update track schedule later on today and beat some drum about how 
> interesting meeting this will be for anyone doing work with either of 
> the tools.

Does the track schedule support 45 minute talks?

Regards,

Martijn


From mwh at python.net  Tue May 11 05:57:58 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue May 11 05:58:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <40A096E3.5010306@infrae.com> (Martijn Faassen's message of
	"Tue, 11 May 2004 11:03:31 +0200")
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>
	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com> <409F98D0.8020605@ita.chalmers.se>
	<9E6F07A0-A295-11D8-B4C8-000393C2939A@zope-europe.org>
	<409FA1F6.9030605@nuxeo.com> <40A06427.2030309@iki.fi>
	<40A096E3.5010306@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <2m4qqnnv4p.fsf@starship.python.net>

Martijn Faassen <faassen@infrae.com> writes:

> Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
>> I just got replies from both Andreas Jung and Benjamin Saller and
>> they were ok to cut down their talks by 15 minutes each. This way we
>> have got atleast 30 minute slot in the program to present the
>> CPSSchemas for participants.
>
> Note that this will make for a rather messy scheduling problem. We've
> deliberately kept all talk lengths at intervals of 30 minutes this
> year, so that people can actually shift between tracks without missing
> 15 minutes at one end of the talk or another.
>
>> I will update track schedule later on today and beat some drum about
>> how interesting meeting this will be for anyone doing work with
>> either of the tools.
>
> Does the track schedule support 45 minute talks?

Yes (if you mean the talkMatrix).

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Not only does the English Language borrow words from other
  languages, it sometimes chases them down dark alleys, hits
  them over the head, and goes through their pockets.   -- Eddy Peters

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 11 07:03:16 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May 11 07:03:26 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] sponsor requirements
In-Reply-To: <409F372F.1030704@amaze.nl>
References: <409F372F.1030704@amaze.nl>
Message-ID: <200405111303.17126.jacob@strakt.com>

On m?ndag 10 maj 2004 10.02, Ivo van der Wijk wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I understand we (Amaze) are an 'organizing sponsor' - we sponsor
> hosting/support of live and development site for europython.
>
> Does anyone require anything specific from me? Logo, texts, whatever? I'm
> not 100% sure what to expect from this sponsor ship, and what we should
> deliver for it to use it effectively.

- If you plan to have a booth, you need to tell me.

- If you want your banner/streamer/plackard in the entrance, you need to bring 
it and put it up in the allocated space.

- If you want to use a seminar room, I need to know in the next few days.

- If you want an advertisment in the programme, we need it before 20 May. Size 
is 125 x 90 mm portrait format. Pdf, jpeg, png or gif.

Best regards

Jacob

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 11 07:52:57 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May 11 07:53:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Problems making sponsor image visible
Message-ID: <200405111352.57051.jacob@strakt.com>

I'm trying to add the png that Thinkwise has submitted to me to the fron page 
of the website, but for some reason it fails. It seems as if the URL to the 
image is invalid for some reason that I can't figure out.

Could someone please have a look at it?

Jacob

From bea at webwitches.com  Tue May 11 08:12:42 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Tue May 11 08:11:26 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Problems making sponsor image visible
In-Reply-To: <200405111352.57051.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405111352.57051.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1084277562.10445.57.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Tue, 2004-05-11 at 13:52, Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> I'm trying to add the png that Thinkwise has submitted to me to the fron page 
> of the website, but for some reason it fails. It seems as if the URL to the 
> image is invalid for some reason that I can't figure out.
> 
> Could someone please have a look at it?
> 
done. The logo name was spelt with S instead of Z in wiZe.

bea

-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 11 16:22:46 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May 11 16:22:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote problem
Message-ID: <200405112222.46791.jacob@strakt.com>

I discovered today that we did not have the big keynote hall reserved for our 
keynotes. While Tuesday is not a problem; the hall is available from 17.00, 
the hall is booked all of Monday, until 20.00. It is also booked all 
Wednesday, so moving the keynote is not an option.

I see the following alternatives:

1. Hold the keynote in our largest room. It holds 202 people (plus sime in the 
aisles.

2. Rent the largest thing available on campus apart from "Runan" (the big 
lecture hall). This has a slightly higher capacity (225 or something like 
that).

3. Rent the main restaurant of the Student Union for the keynote.
It will have more than enough capacity, but is not set up with beamer and 
stuff.

4. Move the keynote to a totally different location, with a higher capacity.

1. is the most convenient alternative.

2. requires a little walk (and I'm not 100% sure it isn't booked.

3. may be a tad expensive, but should still be within budget.

4. requires a bit of work, and will be a hassle with transports.

Jacob

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 11 17:20:32 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May 11 17:20:38 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
Message-ID: <200405112320.32908.jacob@strakt.com>

I have spent the day at Chalmers today.

I put up small posters about the conference in srategic places.

I made contact with the people in charge of booking the lecture halls. I got 
the limits for when we need to decide how much space we want and the size of 
the lecture halls. This determines how much they cost.

I talked to several people about sprint space. I ended up getting one failrly 
large room that can hold more than one sprint (if people are reasonably 
quiet). Current Chalmers policy does not allow anyone to get centrally booked 
space without paying, so while this room has a few drawbacks, like not having 
windows, it is furnished and it will have internet access.

I found out about the Keynote problem when talking to the lecture hall 
reservation people. They are no longer in charge of booking the keynote hall, 
so I found the people who handle that (it is the same people who have the 
cafe and are in charge of the pub).

Jacob

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 11 17:26:47 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May 11 17:26:56 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Next meeting is on Thursday
Message-ID: <200405112326.47669.jacob@strakt.com>

We have moved the meetings to Thursdays, since I have other things to do 
Monday evenings, and I think I need to be present.

The time is 18.00 CET, the place #europython on the freenode IRC network, as 
usual. We will be dealing with issues that crop up and the details of how to 
create the conference programme. Volunteers to work on the programme are very 
much wanted.

Jacob

From faassen at infrae.com  Wed May 12 00:27:50 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed May 12 00:27:59 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote problem
In-Reply-To: <200405112222.46791.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405112222.46791.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40A1A7C6.8070306@infrae.com>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> I discovered today that we did not have the big keynote hall reserved for our 
> keynotes. While Tuesday is not a problem; the hall is available from 17.00, 
> the hall is booked all of Monday, until 20.00. It is also booked all 
> Wednesday, so moving the keynote is not an option.
> 
> I see the following alternatives:
> 
> 1. Hold the keynote in our largest room. It holds 202 people (plus sime in the 
> aisles.
> 
> 2. Rent the largest thing available on campus apart from "Runan" (the big 
> lecture hall). This has a slightly higher capacity (225 or something like 
> that).
> 
> 3. Rent the main restaurant of the Student Union for the keynote.
> It will have more than enough capacity, but is not set up with beamer and 
> stuff.
> 
> 4. Move the keynote to a totally different location, with a higher capacity.
> 
> 1. is the most convenient alternative.
> 
> 2. requires a little walk (and I'm not 100% sure it isn't booked.
> 
> 3. may be a tad expensive, but should still be within budget.
> 
> 4. requires a bit of work, and will be a hassle with transports.

I guess it all depends on the amount of people we expect to show up at 
the conference, and thus likely for the keynote.

If we have 300 people showing up, we may have to go for the restaurant 
option.

Can we make any guesstimates based on the current registrations and rate 
of registration of the amount of people that'll show?

Regards,

Martijn



From faassen at infrae.com  Wed May 12 00:30:33 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed May 12 00:30:41 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
In-Reply-To: <200405112320.32908.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405112320.32908.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40A1A869.90404@infrae.com>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> I have spent the day at Chalmers today.
> 
> I put up small posters about the conference in srategic places.
> 
> I made contact with the people in charge of booking the lecture halls. I got 
> the limits for when we need to decide how much space we want and the size of 
> the lecture halls. This determines how much they cost.
> 
> I talked to several people about sprint space. I ended up getting one failrly 
> large room that can hold more than one sprint (if people are reasonably 
> quiet).

Do we have to be quiet for reasons of people outside the sprint? A 
sprint will naturally also have periods of presentation and group 
discussion, so I hope we only need to be quiet so as not to disrupt 
other sprinters, not anyone else.

If the weather is nice and some wireless access can be arranged, and 
there's a nice seat outside of the room, we could have groups of people 
hacking outside for some periods as well. We can't count on the weather 
being nice of course, but it's something that may be helpful.

Regards,

Martijn

From stefano at pragma2000.com  Wed May 12 02:47:02 2004
From: stefano at pragma2000.com (Stefano Masini)
Date: Wed May 12 02:47:05 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] PDF with talk matrix online for download
Message-ID: <40A1C866.2010007@pragma2000.com>

Hello europython,

I was wondering if anybody was doing something about this yet.
Since producing pdfs is my job, I was thinking I could help.

If I'm provided with some files containing the info, I can write a 
program that produces a nice pdf with Adobe InDesign. Of course, every 
time there is a change, someone has to send me the updated files, and 
I'll send back the pdf.

So, if something hasn't been set up yet, and you think this could be an 
acceptable solution, let me know, and I'll be glad to help.

cheers,
stefano


From ghum at gmx.net  Wed May 12 03:36:10 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed May 12 03:35:40 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Impressive talk matrix
Message-ID: <40A1D3EA.5080601@gmx.net>

I looked at the scheduled talks, and it really looks very impressive! It 
really shows a lot of dedicated work, and made me feel proud to be at EP.

May I suggest:

- that the "open slots" on the third day should be filled with 
"lightning talk" (as scheduled), to avoid that people plan to leave early

- that after that improvement links to the talk matrix are distributed 
to the usual suspects and ususal newsgroups?


Harald

From sf at nuxeo.com  Wed May 12 04:36:34 2004
From: sf at nuxeo.com (Stefane Fermigier)
Date: Wed May 12 04:36:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <opr7sxs7q7iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
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Heimo Laukkanen wrote:
> On Mon, 10 May 2004 21:21:44 +0200, Jean-Marc Orliaguet  
> <jmo@ita.chalmers.se> wrote:
> 
> 
>> I agree, for the sake of getting another perspective on schemas  
>> implementations if the CPSSchemas talk could be fitted after one of 
>> the  Archetypes talks, it would make the whole thing even more 
>> interesting.  Zope3 has yet another implementation so obvioulsy there 
>> is more than one  way to do schemas.
> 
> 
> Very good points indeed from all of you. I sent messages to spekers and  
> see how they respond.
> 

As I have suggested earlier, is it possible to replace my EDOS / 
PyPackage talk by Julien's talk (Proxies and Events in CPS3, IIRC).

	S.

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From mwh at python.net  Wed May 12 05:08:56 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed May 12 05:09:06 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote problem
In-Reply-To: <200405112222.46791.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Tue, 11 May 2004 22:22:46
	+0200")
References: <200405112222.46791.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mzn8em2qf.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob@strakt.com> writes:

> I discovered today that we did not have the big keynote hall reserved for our 
> keynotes. While Tuesday is not a problem; the hall is available from 17.00, 
> the hall is booked all of Monday, until 20.00. It is also booked all 
> Wednesday, so moving the keynote is not an option.
>
> I see the following alternatives:
>
> 1. Hold the keynote in our largest room. It holds 202 people (plus sime in the 
> aisles.
>
> 2. Rent the largest thing available on campus apart from "Runan" (the big 
> lecture hall). This has a slightly higher capacity (225 or something like 
> that).
>
> 3. Rent the main restaurant of the Student Union for the keynote.
> It will have more than enough capacity, but is not set up with beamer and 
> stuff.
>
> 4. Move the keynote to a totally different location, with a higher capacity.
>
> 1. is the most convenient alternative.
>
> 2. requires a little walk (and I'm not 100% sure it isn't booked.
>
> 3. may be a tad expensive, but should still be within budget.
>
> 4. requires a bit of work, and will be a hassle with transports.

2 sounds slightly pointless, and 4 sounds impractical.

As Martijn says, it all depends on the numbers.  How soon do we have
to decide?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  For their next act, they'll no doubt be buying a firewall 
  running under NT, which makes about as much sense as 
  building a prison out of meringue.                     -- -:Tanuki:-
               -- http://home.xnet.com/~raven/Sysadmin/ASR.Quotes.html

From mwh at python.net  Wed May 12 05:12:08 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed May 12 05:12:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Impressive talk matrix
In-Reply-To: <40A1D3EA.5080601@gmx.net> (Harald Armin Massa's message of
	"Wed, 12 May 2004 09:36:10 +0200")
References: <40A1D3EA.5080601@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <2mvfj2m2l3.fsf@starship.python.net>

Harald Armin Massa <ghum@gmx.net> writes:

> I looked at the scheduled talks, and it really looks very impressive!
> It really shows a lot of dedicated work, and made me feel proud to be
> at EP.

Good!  I think it looks pretty amazing, too.

> May I suggest:
>
> - that the "open slots" on the third day should be filled with
>   "lightning talk" (as scheduled), to avoid that people plan to leave
>   early

Yeah, I've been thinking about how to arrange this...

BTW, it's now set up so that if the lightning talks that are accepted
are scheduled, they'll appear.

> - that after that improvement links to the talk matrix are distributed
>   to the usual suspects and ususal newsgroups?

Yes!  I've already put a link on www.python.org, but an announcement
or two can hardly hurt.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I'm a keen cyclist and I stop at red lights.  Those who don't need
  hitting with a great big slapping machine.
                                           -- Colin Davidson, cam.misc

From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May 12 05:15:33 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May 12 05:15:43 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBJbXByZXNzaXZlIHRhbGsgbWF0cml4?=
Message-ID: <think001_40a1eaa854df4@webmail.thinkware.se>

> Harald Armin Massa <ghum@gmx.net> writes:
> > May I suggest:
> >
> > - that the "open slots" on the third day should be filled with
> >   "lightning talk" (as scheduled), to avoid that people plan to leave
> >   early

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Yeah, I've been thinking about how to arrange this...

It would be good to state clearly on the web pages that the
talk matrix (as well as the talk list) is a draft, and not
in its final state.

-- 
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phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From mwh at python.net  Wed May 12 05:23:47 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed May 12 05:23:56 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] PDF with talk matrix online for download
In-Reply-To: <40A1C866.2010007@pragma2000.com> (Stefano Masini's message of
	"Wed, 12 May 2004 08:47:02 +0200")
References: <40A1C866.2010007@pragma2000.com>
Message-ID: <2mr7tqm21o.fsf@starship.python.net>

Stefano Masini <stefano@pragma2000.com> writes:

> Hello europython,
>
> I was wondering if anybody was doing something about this yet.
> Since producing pdfs is my job, I was thinking I could help.

Well, I wrote the talkMatrix, and I haven't thought about it...

> If I'm provided with some files containing the info, I can write a
> program that produces a nice pdf with Adobe InDesign. Of course, every
> time there is a change, someone has to send me the updated files, and
> I'll send back the pdf.

I believe you can get the data via XML-RPC, but have no idea how.

I'm not sure how valuable the code for the talkMatrix would be, as
it's pretty specific to the way HTML tables work... if InDesign works
the same way, then maybe :-) It's also fairly tied to ZPTs.

> So, if something hasn't been set up yet, and you think this could be
> an acceptable solution, let me know, and I'll be glad to help.

Well, reportlab have done the program for the last two EPs and have
been assumed to be doing this one's, but I'm not sure what the current
status is...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit.
                                                -- W. Somerset Maugham

From mwh at python.net  Wed May 12 05:33:29 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed May 12 05:33:36 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Impressive talk matrix
In-Reply-To: <think001_40a1eaa854df4@webmail.thinkware.se> (Magnus Lycka's
	message of "Wed, 12 May 2004 11:15:33 +0200")
References: <think001_40a1eaa854df4@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <2mn04em1li.fsf@starship.python.net>

Magnus Lycka <magnus@thinkware.se> writes:

>> Harald Armin Massa <ghum@gmx.net> writes:
>> > May I suggest:
>> >
>> > - that the "open slots" on the third day should be filled with
>> >   "lightning talk" (as scheduled), to avoid that people plan to leave
>> >   early
>
> Michael Hudson wrote:
>> Yeah, I've been thinking about how to arrange this...
>
> It would be good to state clearly on the web pages that the
> talk matrix (as well as the talk list) is a draft, and not
> in its final state.

While you're probably right, part of me grates at writing 'draft' on a
conference programme, as no conference programme is ever fixed in
stone...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Counting lines is probably a good idea if you want to print it out
  and are short on paper, but I fail to see the purpose otherwise.
                                        -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May 12 05:46:55 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May 12 05:47:03 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBJbXByZXNzaXZlIHRhbGsgbWF0cml4?=
Message-ID: <think001_40a1f11b91ea1@webmail.thinkware.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> While you're probably right, part of me grates at writing 'draft' on a
> conference programme, as no conference programme is ever fixed in
> stone...

I was going to say that the matrix is obviously still work in
progress, but it contains a lot more now than it did when I
looked at it last night, so I guess the current note is enough
now...

-- 
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Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
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From huima at iki.fi  Wed May 12 05:50:11 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Wed May 12 05:50:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <40A1E212.7030501@nuxeo.com>
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On Wed, 12 May 2004 10:36:34 +0200, Stefane Fermigier <sf@nuxeo.com> wrote:

> As I have suggested earlier, is it possible to replace my EDOS /
> PyPackage talk by Julien's talk (Proxies and Events in CPS3, IIRC).

Ok. I'll do the change.

-- 
-huima


From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed May 12 06:25:23 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed May 12 06:25:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] science track
Message-ID: <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr>

Hi Folks,

Just a short message to let you know I am back in my office and fill fix a 
few things concerning the Science track today. I saw you guys scheduled my
talks for me, thanks. I have others coming though, so we'll have to see how
to add them. I think there is at least a slot available before the ones I
already have. Could I get it ?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From eml at renre.com  Wed May 12 06:49:48 2004
From: eml at renre.com (Lawless, Ellie)
Date: Wed May 12 06:49:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Conference
Message-ID: <BBCABA8110FC9347A41F1AD7AC0D7B409CB0CD@dub-mail01.renre.com>

I am writing with regard to the conference on the 7th of June, I am
trying to book three members of staff on to the conference however your
web site does not accept American Express, Is there another form of
payment I can make or do you have a phone number I can call... 

 

I would like to get the booking made this morning, if you could come
back to me as soon as possible.

 

Regards

 

Ellie Lawless

 

Office Administrator. 

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From mwh at python.net  Wed May 12 06:57:58 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed May 12 06:58:02 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] science track
In-Reply-To: <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr> (Nicolas Chauvat's message
	of "Wed, 12 May 2004 12:25:23 +0200")
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"Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> writes:

> Hi Folks,

You're back!  Hurrah!

> Just a short message to let you know I am back in my office and fill fix a 
> few things concerning the Science track today. I saw you guys scheduled my
> talks for me, thanks.

In an entirely random order: shuffle if needed.

> I have others coming though, so we'll have to see how to add them. 

Hmm...

> I think there is at least a slot available before the ones I already
> have. Could I get it ?

I think so, but it's sort of got Bea's name on it at the
moment... otherwise it's looking pretty tight.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  There's a difference between random people with stripy jumpers, 
  and a respected scientist with a reputation.
                                            -- Steve Kitson, ucam.chat

From lac at strakt.com  Wed May 12 07:09:49 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed May 12 07:10:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] science track 
In-Reply-To: Message from "Nicolas Chauvat" <Nicolas.Chauvat@logilab.fr> 
	of "Wed,
	12 May 2004 12:25:23 +0200." <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr> 
References: <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr> 
Message-ID: <200405121109.i4CB9nLX023258@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Wed, 12 May 2004 12:25:23 +0200, "Nicolas Chauvat" writes:
>Hi Folks,
>
>Just a short message to let you know I am back in my office and fill fix 
>a 
>few things concerning the Science track today. I saw you guys scheduled m
>y
>talks for me, thanks. I have others coming though, so we'll have to see h
>ow
>to add them. I think there is at least a slot available before the ones I
>already have. Could I get it ?
>
>-- 
>Nicolas Chauvat
>
>logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances 

There's none available, we are _really_ _full_ _up_ and still are getting 
good, interesting talks.  Better come to the irc meeting on Thursday.

Laura


From bea at webwitches.com  Wed May 12 08:01:45 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Wed May 12 08:00:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] science track
In-Reply-To: <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr>
References: <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <1084363305.3517.10.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Wed, 2004-05-12 at 12:25, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hi Folks,
> 
> Just a short message to let you know I am back in my office and fill fix a 
> few things concerning the Science track today. I saw you guys scheduled my
> talks for me, thanks. I have others coming though, so we'll have to see how
> to add them. I think there is at least a slot available before the ones I
> already have. Could I get it ?

Yes Nicolas, I am glad that you are taking it, because my last speaker
can't come, after all. This way the time will be put to good use ;)

bea


-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed May 12 08:19:45 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed May 12 08:19:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] science track
In-Reply-To: <1084363305.3517.10.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
References: <20040512102523.GA5559@logilab.fr>
	<1084363305.3517.10.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>
Message-ID: <20040512121945.GD5559@logilab.fr>

On Wed, May 12, 2004 at 02:01:45PM +0200, Beatrice Fontaine wrote:

> Yes Nicolas, I am glad that you are taking it, because my last speaker
> can't come, after all. This way the time will be put to good use ;)

Thanks. Please note this one is *mine* you track chairs ! >:-)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed May 12 12:01:37 2004
From: Nicolas.Chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed May 12 12:01:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] still space left in the program ?
Message-ID: <20040512160137.GP5559@logilab.fr>

Hello,

I wish I had some more time/space... looking at the website right now, it looks
like Room 4 is available day 1 from 9:00 to 10:30 and room 3 is available
day 2 from 12:00 to 12:30 and 15:30 to 17:00.

Could I reserve room 4 on day 1 for a tutorial (or room 3 on day 2) ?

Or on day 2 could we switch Social skills from room 1 in the morning to room 3
in the afternoon and Business from room 3 to room 1 ? That way I'd get two
more slots for Science in room 1.

I'll be there on thursday to discuss things anyway.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From huima at iki.fi  Wed May 12 13:05:34 2004
From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen)
Date: Wed May 12 13:05:36 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How to get an article / news to the europython site?
Message-ID: <opr7wcfkr8iddoij@smtp.welho.com>


Paul Everitt has been cooking up something nice for the Zope Track would  
like to announce it on the Europython site as an article / news. Who is  
the right person to put it up to the site after Paul has written a  
properly hyped up newsitem for it?

-- 
-huima


From jacob at strakt.com  Wed May 12 15:56:51 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed May 12 15:56:57 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] still space left in the program ?
In-Reply-To: <20040512160137.GP5559@logilab.fr>
References: <20040512160137.GP5559@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <200405122156.52094.jacob@strakt.com>

On onsdag 12 maj 2004 18.01, Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wish I had some more time/space... looking at the website right now, it
> looks like Room 4 is available day 1 from 9:00 to 10:30 and room 3 is
> available day 2 from 12:00 to 12:30 and 15:30 to 17:00.
>
> Could I reserve room 4 on day 1 for a tutorial (or room 3 on day 2) ?
>
> Or on day 2 could we switch Social skills from room 1 in the morning to
> room 3 in the afternoon and Business from room 3 to room 1 ? That way I'd
> get two more slots for Science in room 1.
>
> I'll be there on thursday to discuss things anyway.

No, this is already booked for Jef Raskins talk, though it doesn't show in the 
schedule yet.

Jacob

From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May 12 19:35:35 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May 12 19:35:41 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBzdGlsbCBzcGFjZSBsZWZ0IGluIHRoZSBwcm9ncmFtID8=?=
Message-ID: <think001_40a29eada2a99@webmail.thinkware.se>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> No, this is already booked for Jef Raskins talk, though it doesn't show in the 
> schedule yet.

Jef "Humane Interface" Raskin is coming? Cool! Got to bring my book to get 
it signed then! :)

I didn't know that he was involved in Python. (Are all the old Mac developers 
wxPython hackers now? ;)

I'm not quite sure what "this" meant, since Nicolas provided several 
alternatives, but with my usual luck, you've scheduled him against me. :(



-- 
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Alvans vag 99, SE-907 50 UMEA, SWEDEN
phone: int+46 70 582 80 65, fax: int+46 70 612 80 65
http://www.thinkware.se/  mailto:magnus@thinkware.se

From faassen at infrae.com  Thu May 13 01:20:40 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu May 13 01:20:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] still space left in the program ?
In-Reply-To: <20040512160137.GP5559@logilab.fr>
References: <20040512160137.GP5559@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <40A305A8.7090401@infrae.com>

Nicolas Chauvat wrote:
> I wish I had some more time/space... looking at the website right now, it looks
> like Room 4 is available day 1 from 9:00 to 10:30 and room 3 is available
> day 2 from 12:00 to 12:30 and 15:30 to 17:00.
> 
> Could I reserve room 4 on day 1 for a tutorial (or room 3 on day 2) ?
> 
> Or on day 2 could we switch Social skills from room 1 in the morning to room 3
> in the afternoon and Business from room 3 to room 1 ? That way I'd get two
> more slots for Science in room 1.
> 
> I'll be there on thursday to discuss things anyway.
> 

This is rather late to discuss such changes. It's rather late to start 
swapping around stuff *again*. We should be out of these discussions by 
now, and there we suddenly hear from you.

Regards,

Martijn

From faassen at infrae.com  Thu May 13 01:24:42 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu May 13 01:24:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Accepted talks on Europython ( Zope-track )
In-Reply-To: <40A1E212.7030501@nuxeo.com>
References: <opr7qxyfdriddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E8D7B.2090509@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q0o6o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com><409E9199.20700@nuxeo.com>	<opr7q4s8o1iddoij@smtp.welho.com>	<409FC120.5000200@infrae.com>	<01ab01c436c2$d8af29d0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>	<409FD648.302@ita.chalmers.se>	<opr7sxs7q7iddoij@smtp.welho.com>
	<40A1E212.7030501@nuxeo.com>
Message-ID: <40A3069A.9020905@infrae.com>

Stefane Fermigier wrote:

> As I have suggested earlier, is it possible to replace my EDOS / 
> PyPackage talk by Julien's talk (Proxies and Events in CPS3, IIRC).

Stefane, I hope you can attend the testing panel discussion that closes 
the 'testing track' on day 1. Perhaps we can fit in a few minutes where 
you chat about this project as far as it is relevant to testing. If you 
can say something controversial inviting animated debate all the better. :)

Regards,

Martijn

From ghum at gmx.net  Thu May 13 03:05:07 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu May 13 03:05:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk list - different sorting
Message-ID: <40A31E23.30604@gmx.net>

Actually the talk list within

http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/talks/acceptedTalksOverview

starts with

Python Language 
<http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/talks/python_language>
Masquerading and Adaptation Design Patterns in P... 
<http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/talks/python_language/aleaxit01> 
	Al


a talk that is for

target audience:
technical, advanced

and I am really, really sure that it will be very interesting for 
everybody who has the brain to understand it. And having experienced the 
very high quality of Alex Martellis work, it will also be on a really 
profound level.

That said ... I imagined one of my customers reading the talks sheet, 
people from business. (Assuming they knew enough English) they would 
stop immediately ater "Design Patterns", if not at "Adaptation".; 
classifying the conference as "absolutely geeky" and assuming "I will 
not understand 3 words if I go there".

So I suggest that we do just a resort in the presentation:

put 2 out of (Business, Education, Science, Social Skills , Tutorials) 
on top
put 2 others out of (Business, Education, Science, Social Skills , 
Tutorials) on bottom

Reading psychologie suggest that "casual readers" and especially 
scanners (which will be the majority on the internet) "read" the top and 
the bottom. Within one of the mentioned the probability that they 
recoginze more than 4 words is bigger.

Geeks anyway will dig deeper and find the more sophisticated talks in 
the middle of the list.

AGAIN! I am not suggesting any rescheduling or priorization. I am only 
suggesting a more "common knowledge friendly sort order"

Harald





From lac at strakt.com  Thu May 13 03:58:04 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu May 13 03:59:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] talk matrix
Message-ID: <200405130758.i4D7w4Qo025647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

Mine looks much better under konqueror, where the titles 'such as Python Applications'
stay on one line, and the calendar, which we don't need on every page is stuffed out
to the far right.  Under Mozilla Firebird, we get things like:

Business
Software 
Patents and DRM
Panel-Led 
Discussion 

Which doesn't make it clear that BUSINESS is the track title, and not part of the
Panel discussion.  Can we get a space between the track title, and the beginning of 
the first talk title?  If not, can we get a colon after the Track Title?  Perhaps
moving the timestamp to be opposite the talk, and not the Track Title will help.

Laura

From mwh at python.net  Thu May 13 05:19:51 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu May 13 05:19:59 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] talk matrix
In-Reply-To: <200405130758.i4D7w4Qo025647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> (Laura
	Creighton's message of "Thu, 13 May 2004 09:58:04 +0200")
References: <200405130758.i4D7w4Qo025647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mu0yklm4o.fsf@starship.python.net>

Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:

> Mine looks much better under konqueror, where the titles 'such as Python Applications'
> stay on one line, and the calendar, which we don't need on every page is stuffed out
> to the far right.  Under Mozilla Firebird, we get things like:
>
> Business
> Software 
> Patents and DRM
> Panel-Led 
> Discussion 
>
> Which doesn't make it clear that BUSINESS is the track title, and not part of the
> Panel discussion.  Can we get a space between the track title, and the beginning of 
> the first talk title?  

What do you mean?  Vertical space?

> If not, can we get a colon after the Track Title?

This would be easy.

> Perhaps moving the timestamp to be opposite the talk, and not the
> Track Title will help.

If you mean what I think you mean here, this wouldn't be easy.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  C++ is a siren song.  It *looks* like a HLL in which you ought to
  be able to write an application, but it really isn't.
                                       -- Alain Picard, comp.lang.lisp

From lac at strakt.com  Thu May 13 05:58:31 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu May 13 05:59:08 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] talk matrix 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> of "Thu,
	13 May 2004 10:19:51 BST." <2mu0yklm4o.fsf@starship.python.net> 
References: <200405130758.i4D7w4Qo025647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<2mu0yklm4o.fsf@starship.python.net> 
Message-ID: <200405130958.i4D9wVuw026050@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:51 BST, Michael Hudson writes:
>Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:
>
>> Mine looks much better under konqueror, where the titles 'such as Pytho
>n Applications'
>> stay on one line, and the calendar, which we don't need on every page i
>s stuffed out
>> to the far right.  Under Mozilla Firebird, we get things like:
>>
>> Business
>> Software 
>> Patents and DRM
>> Panel-Led 
>> Discussion 
>>
>> Which doesn't make it clear that BUSINESS is the track title, and not p
>art of the
>> Panel discussion.  Can we get a space between the track title, and the 
>beginning of 
>> the first talk title?  
>
>What do you mean?  Vertical space?

I would like:

Business:

Software
Patents and DRM
Panel-Led
Discussion

Actually, I don't think we need to repeat the track title before _every_ talk.
Just once at the top would be plenty.  But if this is hard to do, don't bother.

>
>> If not, can we get a colon after the Track Title?
>
>This would be easy.
>
>> Perhaps moving the timestamp to be opposite the talk, and not the
>> Track Title will help.
>
>If you mean what I think you mean here, this wouldn't be easy.

Too bad.  It's not worth it, then.

>
>Cheers,
>mwh
>


Laura


From mwh at python.net  Thu May 13 06:13:47 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu May 13 06:13:54 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] talk matrix
In-Reply-To: <200405130958.i4D9wVuw026050@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> (Laura
	Creighton's message of "Thu, 13 May 2004 11:58:31 +0200")
References: <200405130758.i4D7w4Qo025647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<2mu0yklm4o.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200405130958.i4D9wVuw026050@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mlljwljms.fsf@starship.python.net>

Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:

> In a message of Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:51 BST, Michael Hudson writes:
>>Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:
>>
>>> Mine looks much better under konqueror, where the titles 'such as Pytho
>>n Applications'
>>> stay on one line, and the calendar, which we don't need on every page i
>>s stuffed out
>>> to the far right.  Under Mozilla Firebird, we get things like:
>>>
>>> Business
>>> Software 
>>> Patents and DRM
>>> Panel-Led 
>>> Discussion 
>>>
>>> Which doesn't make it clear that BUSINESS is the track title, and not p
>>art of the
>>> Panel discussion.  Can we get a space between the track title, and the 
>>beginning of 
>>> the first talk title?  
>>
>>What do you mean?  Vertical space?
>
> I would like:
>
> Business:
>
> Software
> Patents and DRM
> Panel-Led
> Discussion

Hmm.  I tried this, and I think it looks bad, at least with a full
height gap.  A small gap might work... hmm.  Take a look now.

> Actually, I don't think we need to repeat the track title before _every_ talk.
> Just once at the top would be plenty.  But if this is hard to do, don't bother.

This would be tricky, yes, and I also think it would look strange.
I'd prefer each cell to stand on it's own.

>>
>>> If not, can we get a colon after the Track Title?
>>
>>This would be easy.

I've done this much.

>>> Perhaps moving the timestamp to be opposite the talk, and not the
>>> Track Title will help.
>>
>>If you mean what I think you mean here, this wouldn't be easy.
>
> Too bad.  It's not worth it, then.

I found a way to fudge this, and also think it looks strange :-)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Important data should not be entrusted to Pinstripe, as it may
  eat it and make loud belching noises.
   -- from the announcement of the beta of "Pinstripe" aka. Redhat 7.0

From lac at strakt.com  Thu May 13 06:30:49 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu May 13 06:31:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] talk matrix 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> of "Thu,
	13 May 2004 11:13:47 BST." <2mlljwljms.fsf@starship.python.net> 
References: <200405130758.i4D7w4Qo025647@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<2mu0yklm4o.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200405130958.i4D9wVuw026050@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<2mlljwljms.fsf@starship.python.net> 
Message-ID: <200405131030.i4DAUngt026329@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Thu, 13 May 2004 11:13:47 BST, Michael Hudson writes:
>Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:
>
>> In a message of Thu, 13 May 2004 10:19:51 BST, Michael Hudson writes:
>>>Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> Mine looks much better under konqueror, where the titles 'such as Pyt
>ho
>>>n Applications'
>>>> stay on one line, and the calendar, which we don't need on every page
> i
>>>s stuffed out
>>>> to the far right.  Under Mozilla Firebird, we get things like:
>>>>
>>>> Business
>>>> Software 
>>>> Patents and DRM
>>>> Panel-Led 
>>>> Discussion 
>>>>
>>>> Which doesn't make it clear that BUSINESS is the track title, and not
> p
>>>art of the
>>>> Panel discussion.  Can we get a space between the track title, and th
>e 
>>>beginning of 
>>>> the first talk title?  
>>>
>>>What do you mean?  Vertical space?
>>
>> I would like:
>>
>> Business:
>>
>> Software
>> Patents and DRM
>> Panel-Led
>> Discussion
>
>Hmm.  I tried this, and I think it looks bad, at least with a full
>height gap.  A small gap might work... hmm.  Take a look now.

I like it.  Thank you Michael.

Laura

From mwh at python.net  Thu May 13 06:31:18 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu May 13 06:31:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk list - different sorting
In-Reply-To: <40A31E23.30604@gmx.net> (Harald Armin Massa's message of "Thu,
	13 May 2004 09:05:07 +0200")
References: <40A31E23.30604@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <2mhduklitl.fsf@starship.python.net>

Harald Armin Massa <ghum@gmx.net> writes:

> That said ... I imagined one of my customers reading the talks sheet,
> people from business. (Assuming they knew enough English) they would
> stop immediately ater "Design Patterns", if not at "Adaptation".;
> classifying the conference as "absolutely geeky" and assuming "I will
> not understand 3 words if I go there".
>
> So I suggest that we do just a resort in the presentation:

That sentence would read better if it didn't have "just" in it :-)

The tracks are in the order they come out of the tracks folder.

> put 2 out of (Business, Education, Science, Social Skills , Tutorials)
> on top
> put 2 others out of (Business, Education, Science, Social Skills ,
> Tutorials) on bottom
>
> Reading psychologie suggest that "casual readers" and especially
> scanners (which will be the majority on the internet) "read" the top
> and the bottom. Within one of the mentioned the probability that they
> recoginze more than 4 words is bigger.

I can sort the list alphabetically easily enough :-) Would that work?

Take a look now.

> Geeks anyway will dig deeper and find the more sophisticated talks in
> the middle of the list.
>
> AGAIN! I am not suggesting any rescheduling or priorization. I am only
> suggesting a more "common knowledge friendly sort order"

Thank you for even thinking about it!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I'm about to search Google for contract assassins to go to Iomega
  and HP's programming groups and kill everyone there with some kind
  of electrically charged rusty barbed thing.
                -- http://bofhcam.org/journal/journal.html, 2002-01-08

From ghum at gmx.net  Thu May 13 07:03:30 2004
From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu May 13 07:03:38 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Additional Information REALLY neaded!
Message-ID: <40A35602.6010709@gmx.net>

After resorting the talks ... the first talk is:

"how to create the ploneConference with archetypes 
<http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/talks/applications/T04063231321>"

http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/talks/applications/T04063231321

Detailled information gives us:

talk title:
how to create the ploneConference with archetypes
Abstract (max. 200 words):
How the ploneConference product was created with archetypes.

that is not enough. More direct: that is really frustratring for the 
"occasional scanning person"


Especially because this is the FIRST entry on the talks list. People get 
curios "what might ploneConference be??? and, what the * are archetypes?"

They click on the link.

and they see: ploneConference is a product (what kind of product? what 
does it cost? who does need it? what does it provide? where can I buy 
it? Why should I care?)

they do not learn: what are Archetypes? Is child labour needed to get 
Archetypes? Are any animals harmed? Can we grow our own Archetypes? Do 
archetypes contain genetically engeneered raw material?

what is ploneConference?

It leaves people frustrated - and gives an impression of an 
insider-conference. People who know something seem to talk to other 
people who know the same secret code. Better not go there, they may see 
that I do not belong.

Please, please, especially on the first two and the last two of the 
talks in the list, ADD information explaining EVERY "special word" (like 
"plone", "Archetype", "CMS", "Application Framework" "bullshit bingo"...


Harald





From stephanie at svl.co.uk  Thu May 13 11:39:52 2004
From: stephanie at svl.co.uk (stephanie@svl.co.uk)
Date: Thu May 13 11:40:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Apress books at EuroPython Conference?
Message-ID: <E5314AC95F0ED511A4C100508BB4527AE9A993@UKBAGE06>

13th May 2004

Dear EuroPython Conference organisers,

Hello, I am really interested in finding out about sponsorship of your
event. I realise that it is already past the May 1st deadline, but would you
consider allowing me to pay to insert some postcards with information about
our books into your delegate bags, or to be circulated to delegates another
way?  Books that I think will interest your visitors include: Practical
Python by Magnus Lie Hetland (for beginners), Dive into Python by Mark
Pilgrim (intermediate), Foundations of Python Network Planning by John
Goerzen (intermediate to advanced), The Definitive Guide to Plone by Andy
McKay (beginner to advanced) and Zope 3: Building Dynamic Websites by Michel
Pelletier (intermediate to advanced).  

All these books are published by Apress, who are fast becoming recognized in
Open Source book publishing.  You can read about Apress here@ www.apress.com

I can send you further details about these books if you think there is an
opportunity for us to work together.  I would also like to donate some
copies of our published Python book, Practical Python, to you for give away
at the event.  How many delegates are you expecting?  Would you like 10
copies to give away?

I look forward to hearing from you,
With best wishes,

Stephanie Parker
Marketing and Publicity Coordinator for Apress.	
www.apress.com
Apress is distributed by Springer.
-----------------------------
Springer-Verlag London Ltd.
Sweetapple House / Catteshall Road / Godalming / GU7  3DJ / UK
+44 (0) 1483 414113    +44 (0) 1483 415151   stephanie@svl.co.uk   
-----------------------------
FREEPHONE Customer Services: 00800 7774 6437
www.springeronline.com


From faassen at infrae.com  Thu May 13 13:08:34 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Thu May 13 13:08:48 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] roomsharing wiki on z3u is gone
Message-ID: <40A3AB92.6060102@infrae.com>

Hi there,

The roomsharing wiki on z3u seems to be down or gone. This is linked 
from our homepage, so urgent action needs to be taken.

Regards,

Martijn

From jacob at strakt.com  Sun May 16 19:42:01 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Sun May 16 19:42:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Deleting records and other things
Message-ID: <200405170142.01736.jacob@strakt.com>

How do I delete records in the registration database that are obviously bogus?

I would like to mark the swift payment-type records that I have received 
payment for as paid. Is there a way for me to do that?

I would like to be able to manually add a payed status to failed or 
un-executed credit card records, if the person pays by Swift or some other 
means. Can I do this?

We don't seem to have biographies for the speakers. I think we should. Can we 
add a simple page, where speakers can enter their biographies, and these 
automatically get tied to their spakers records in the database?

I entered a talk for Jef Raskins. This resulted in me getting a record saying 
that I am a speaker. Similarily, John Pinner is supposed to give 13 talks, 
poor man. How do we correct this, so we actually get one record per real 
speaker, and it correctly reflects the number of talks given? I think it is 
important to do so, in order to make a check that all speakers have 
registered possible.

The page http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/people_all_fields 
now dumps all records in the database that contain a lastname. This hides of 
most of the bogus records, but not all of them.

Jacob

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 17 04:23:02 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon May 17 04:23:11 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Deleting records and other things
In-Reply-To: <200405170142.01736.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Mon, 17 May 2004 01:42:01
	+0200")
References: <200405170142.01736.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mekpjjwd5.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob@strakt.com> writes:

> How do I delete records in the registration database that are obviously bogus?

By hand, or automatically?  By hand, I'd have thought "switch to
content view" in the plone interface would work, and downright certain
that you can delete them in the ZMI.

> I would like to mark the swift payment-type records that I have received 
> payment for as paid. Is there a way for me to do that?

Joachim!

> I would like to be able to manually add a payed status to failed or 
> un-executed credit card records, if the person pays by Swift or some other 
> means. Can I do this?

Ditto.

> We don't seem to have biographies for the speakers. I think we should. Can we 
> add a simple page, where speakers can enter their biographies, and these 
> automatically get tied to their spakers records in the database?

As I understand it, there isn't really a 'Speaker' object in the
product.  So it's unclear where this should go.  Of course, all
speakers are in principle registered, so something could be attached
to their entry in ../info/people/.  Hmm.

> I entered a talk for Jef Raskins. This resulted in me getting a record saying 
> that I am a speaker. Similarily, John Pinner is supposed to give 13 talks, 
> poor man. 

How did you detect this?  Each talk has a 'submitter' property and an
'authorname' property.  The latter is definitive...

> How do we correct this, so we actually get one record per real
> speaker, and it correctly reflects the number of talks given? I
> think it is important to do so, in order to make a check that all
> speakers have registered possible.

Hmm, yes.  I'm not sure.

> The page http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/people_all_fields 
> now dumps all records in the database that contain a lastname. This hides of 
> most of the bogus records, but not all of them.

So my cryptic hints on how to do things like that were of some use?  Good!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  > Well, as an American citizen I hope that the EU tells the MPAA 
  > and RIAA to shove it where the Sun don't shine.
  Actually they already did. Only first they bent over and dropped
  their trousers.      -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz & Toni Lassila, asr

From jacob at strakt.com  Mon May 17 08:46:46 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon May 17 08:46:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirt colour
Message-ID: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>

I need your votes on what colour the T-shirt should be, since I may have to 
place the order very quickly, in order to get the t-shirts delivered in time 
for the conference.

The most likely supplier has colour alternatives under the T-shirts & tops 
entry on http://www.newwave.se/se/sortiment.asp.

Depending of printing costs, we will use one of the 3 first alternatives for 
t-shirt quality, so make a colour selection in each category.

I will count the votes and make a decision based on the input I get at the 
time I need to place the order.

Jacob

From bea at webwitches.com  Mon May 17 08:52:14 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Mon May 17 08:50:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirt colour
In-Reply-To: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1084798333.16396.14.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 14:46, Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> I need your votes on what colour the T-shirt should be, since I may have to 
> place the order very quickly, in order to get the t-shirts delivered in time 

grey


-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From jacob at strakt.com  Mon May 17 11:34:56 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon May 17 11:35:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
Message-ID: <200405171734.56231.jacob@strakt.com>

I have managed to get the Swedish Fair to sell me badge holders. They are 
large, simple and cheap (1.25 SEK as opposed to 3-8 SEK for inferior ones).

I have price information for T-shirts now. The Clique Classic T is the best 
quality that fits in our budget, so now you can refer to a colour number when 
picking your favourite. I need to place orders on Monday 24 May to get things 
in time for the conference. I need to submit the picture on Wednesday to get 
the process of making the print started.

Jacob

From qvyivasxdplpjp at shirakami.or.jp  Mon May 17 13:03:14 2004
From: qvyivasxdplpjp at shirakami.or.jp (Genevieve Hopkins)
Date: Mon May 17 12:11:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] 64. Big corporations will pay for your opinion
Message-ID: <JBYMHSZMFZVPMSOCJIBGKJK@rose.rokkodai.kobe-u.ac.jp>

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From lac at strakt.com  Mon May 17 13:26:19 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon May 17 13:26:37 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Python is mispelled Pyhton in the Jef Raskin talk
Message-ID: <200405171726.i4HHQJIp005810@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

I cannot get a hold of that text to edit it -- can somebody fix it please.

Thanks,
Laura

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 17 13:31:59 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon May 17 13:32:04 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Python is mispelled Pyhton in the Jef Raskin talk
In-Reply-To: <200405171726.i4HHQJIp005810@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> (Laura
	Creighton's message of "Mon, 17 May 2004 19:26:19 +0200")
References: <200405171726.i4HHQJIp005810@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2m3c5zj6y8.fsf@starship.python.net>

Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:

> I cannot get a hold of that text to edit it -- can somebody fix it please.

Done, and fixed what was making this hard.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  #ifndef P_tmpdir
  printf( "Go buy a better computer" );
  exit( ETHESKYISFALLINGANDIWANTMYMAMA );
                         -- Dimitri Maziuk on writing secure code, asr

From tom at aragne.com  Mon May 17 13:36:29 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon May 17 13:36:29 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Update
References: <200405171734.56231.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <00a401c43c35$81adc9c0$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

10, 12, 13, 572, 94

Please count a t-shirt for me when ordering (XXL). (I haven't ordered
one through the web).

Regards,
Tom.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jacob Hall?n" <jacob@strakt.com>
To: <europython@python.org>
Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 5:34 PM
Subject: [Tom] [EuroPython] Update


> I have managed to get the Swedish Fair to sell me badge holders. They
are
> large, simple and cheap (1.25 SEK as opposed to 3-8 SEK for inferior
ones).
>
> I have price information for T-shirts now. The Clique Classic T is the
best
> quality that fits in our budget, so now you can refer to a colour
number when
> picking your favourite. I need to place orders on Monday 24 May to get
things
> in time for the conference. I need to submit the picture on Wednesday
to get
> the process of making the print started.
>
> Jacob
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From lac at strakt.com  Mon May 17 14:13:43 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon May 17 14:14:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Python is mispelled Pyhton in the Jef Raskin talk 
In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Hudson <mwh@python.net> of "Mon,
	17 May 2004 18:31:59 BST." <2m3c5zj6y8.fsf@starship.python.net> 
References: <200405171726.i4HHQJIp005810@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<2m3c5zj6y8.fsf@starship.python.net> 
Message-ID: <200405171813.i4HIDhq2005891@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Mon, 17 May 2004 18:31:59 BST, Michael Hudson writes:
>Laura Creighton <lac@strakt.com> writes:
>
>> I cannot get a hold of that text to edit it -- can somebody fix it plea
>se.
>
>Done, and fixed what was making this hard.
>
>Cheers,
>mwh


Thanks, Michael

Laura


From tom at aragne.com  Mon May 17 15:30:10 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (Tom Deprez)
Date: Mon May 17 15:34:17 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython's first interviews in 2004!
References: <200405171726.i4HHQJIp005810@ratthing-b246.strakt.com><2m3c5zj6y8.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200405171813.i4HIDhq2005891@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <019401c43c45$f5658e60$897ba8c0@skullsplitter>

Hi all,

Like the  previous two years, several EuroPython members are preparing
some nice interviews for the community. The first two of this year are
now being published:

Interview with Jacob Hall?n by Tom Deprez

http://www.europython.org/interviews/2004_jacob_hallen

Interview with Holger Krekel by Michael Hudson

http://www.europython.org/interviews/2004_holger_Krekel


Pass the information further...

Have fun,
Regards,
Tom.


From jeremiannika at comcast.net  Mon May 17 22:11:40 2004
From: jeremiannika at comcast.net (Jeremiah Foster)
Date: Mon May 17 22:11:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirt colour
In-Reply-To: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <B322D9C8-A870-11D8-A0EB-000393CCA64C@comcast.net>

On May 17, 2004, at 8:46 AM, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> I need your votes on what colour the T-shirt should be, since I may 
> have to
> place the order very quickly, in order to get the t-shirts delivered 
> in time
>

blue

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 18 10:45:11 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue May 18 10:45:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
In-Reply-To: <40A1A869.90404@infrae.com>
References: <200405112320.32908.jacob@strakt.com> <40A1A869.90404@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <200405181645.11461.jacob@strakt.com>

On onsdag 12 maj 2004 06.30, Martijn Faassen wrote:
> Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> > I have spent the day at Chalmers today.
> >
> > I put up small posters about the conference in srategic places.
> >
> > I made contact with the people in charge of booking the lecture halls. I
> > got the limits for when we need to decide how much space we want and the
> > size of the lecture halls. This determines how much they cost.
> >
> > I talked to several people about sprint space. I ended up getting one
> > failrly large room that can hold more than one sprint (if people are
> > reasonably quiet).
>
> Do we have to be quiet for reasons of people outside the sprint? A
> sprint will naturally also have periods of presentation and group
> discussion, so I hope we only need to be quiet so as not to disrupt
> other sprinters, not anyone else.

The room is placed so we will not disturb anyone except other sprinters in the 
room.

> If the weather is nice and some wireless access can be arranged, and
> there's a nice seat outside of the room, we could have groups of people
> hacking outside for some periods as well. We can't count on the weather
> being nice of course, but it's something that may be helpful.

I hope Dar?o manages to get wireless accounts on the campus net for all 
attendees. Then people can go sprint in a number of nice places.

Jacob

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue May 18 10:53:57 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue May 18 10:54:07 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirt colour
In-Reply-To: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40AA2385.9090401@simplistix.co.uk>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> 
> Depending of printing costs, we will use one of the 3 first alternatives for 
> t-shirt quality, so make a colour selection in each category.

Dark blue or black please :-)

Chris

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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 18 11:18:55 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue May 18 11:19:10 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Update
In-Reply-To: <200405181645.11461.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405112320.32908.jacob@strakt.com> <40A1A869.90404@infrae.com>
	<200405181645.11461.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40AA295F.3090509@ita.chalmers.se>

Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> I hope Dar?o manages to get wireless accounts on the campus net for all 
> attendees. Then people can go sprint in a number of nice places.
> 

This will happen. One to two weeks in advance I will nee
d to get a list of peopls that will be attending so that we can generate 
the accounts.

/dario

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From lac at strakt.com  Tue May 18 11:30:54 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue May 18 11:31:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How do we let this man pay?
Message-ID: <200405181530.i4IFUstb008516@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


Laura

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From: Fredrik Aronsson <d98aron@dtek.chalmers.se>
User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.5) Gecko/20031007
Subject: Payment

Hi!

My name is Fredrik Aronsson and I have filled in an registration for 
EPC2004 but have not payed (because my organisation will pay for me), 
but I can't see any way for them to get to the payment page.

Registration ID:
P04139135144

What should we do? Let them register me again or can you provide some 
advice on how to let them pay.

Regards
/Fredrik



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From lac at strakt.com  Tue May 18 11:33:17 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue May 18 11:33:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] can we make invoices yet?
Message-ID: <200405181533.i4IFXH72008561@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


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Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 14:17:34 +0200
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Dear Laura Creighton,
we wish to have as soon as  possible the invoice concerning the payment 
for the partecipation of Mr. Oskar Stuffer (registration ID is 
P04135102233) to the EuroPython conference.
We give you the datas regarding the company in reference to wich we 
kindly demand the invoice.
Thank you

Servizi S.T. S.r.l.
Corso Italia 13/N
codice fiscale (fiscal code) 01156500181
partita iva 09955600151
39100 Bolzano (Italy)

Tel +0039 0471 450211
Fax +0039 0471 450253

tel:0471/450211
fax:0471/450253



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From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May 18 11:38:18 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue May 18 11:35:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How do we let this man pay?
In-Reply-To: <200405181530.i4IFUstb008516@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200405181530.i4IFUstb008516@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40AA2DEA.2070300@infrae.com>

Hoi,

A similar problem exists with the room reservation part; you cannot do 
this in two steps either.

Probably simplest is to do another registration with the same details 
for the name and such. I don't think we count registrations that aren't 
paid as 'proper registrations' anyway (unless it is by conference staff).

Regards,

Martijn

From js at aixtraware.de  Tue May 18 11:58:12 2004
From: js at aixtraware.de (Joachim Schmitz)
Date: Tue May 18 11:57:40 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How do we let this man pay?
In-Reply-To: <40AA2DEA.2070300@infrae.com>
References: <200405181530.i4IFUstb008516@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<40AA2DEA.2070300@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <40AA3294.4090102@aixtraware.de>

That is not totally correct, I sent the link in a private mail.

Martijn Faassen schrieb:
> Hoi,
> 
> A similar problem exists with the room reservation part; you cannot do 
> this in two steps either.
> 
> Probably simplest is to do another registration with the same details 
> for the name and such. I don't think we count registrations that aren't 
> paid as 'proper registrations' anyway (unless it is by conference staff).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Martijn
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython@python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


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From stuart at stuartbishop.net  Tue May 18 16:04:34 2004
From: stuart at stuartbishop.net (Stuart Bishop)
Date: Tue May 18 16:04:52 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirt colour
In-Reply-To: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405171446.47005.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <94E88B5C-A906-11D8-9A86-000A95A06FC6@stuartbishop.net>

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On 17/05/2004, at 1:46 PM, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> I need your votes on what colour the T-shirt should be, since I may 
> have to
> place the order very quickly, in order to get the t-shirts delivered 
> in time
> for the conference.

I think that depends on the design. We once got some rather odd Zope3
sprint T-shirts because nobody picked up that the black design
would not work well on the shade of blue selected for the shirts.

(So I vote white if the design is similar to the website logo)

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http://www.stuartbishop.net/
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From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May 18 16:58:32 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue May 18 16:58:47 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] How do we let this man pay?
In-Reply-To: <40AA3294.4090102@aixtraware.de>
References: <200405181530.i4IFUstb008516@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>	<40AA2DEA.2070300@infrae.com>
	<40AA3294.4090102@aixtraware.de>
Message-ID: <40AA78F8.7050009@infrae.com>

Joachim Schmitz wrote:
> That is not totally correct, I sent the link in a private mail.

My apologies. Could you describe what is wrong on the list so I and 
others couldn't inadvertantly give the wrong advice?

Regards,

Martijn

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May 19 02:14:55 2004
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed May 19 02:15:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] can we make invoices yet?
In-Reply-To: <200405181533.i4IFXH72008561@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
References: <200405181533.i4IFXH72008561@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40AAFB5F.9000100@ita.chalmers.se>


I suppose so, we have an account, and all the necessary data.

What would be needed to design an invocie and just fill in the blanks?

Which reminds me - being the treasurer and all for EP Society, where can 
I get hold of all the data for the society? Bank account, F-skattenumber 
etc?

/dario

-- 
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From WYZWXLCJQV at oninet.pt  Tue May 18 06:20:21 2004
From: WYZWXLCJQV at oninet.pt (Alfonzo Stuart)
Date: Wed May 19 04:00:53 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] what could you accomplish with a degree?
Message-ID: <EJIQHIOANJVIAERLSHRRS@lycos.de>

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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Wed May 19 04:16:13 2004
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed May 19 04:16:30 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] can we make invoices yet?
In-Reply-To: <40AAFB5F.9000100@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <200405181533.i4IFXH72008561@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>
	<40AAFB5F.9000100@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <40AB17CD.4050903@simplistix.co.uk>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> 
> I suppose so, we have an account, and all the necessary data.

Cool. If so, how do I sign up for an invoice? Do you guys charge EU VAT or anything?

Chris

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From magnus at thinkware.se  Wed May 19 14:37:45 2004
From: magnus at thinkware.se (Magnus Lycka)
Date: Wed May 19 14:37:56 2004
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IFtFdXJvUHl0aG9uXSBjYW4gd2UgbWFrZSBpbnZvaWNlcyB5ZXQ/?=
Message-ID: <think001_40aba7e4a7594@webmail.thinkware.se>

> Which reminds me - being the treasurer and all for EP Society, where can 
> I get hold of all the data for the society? Bank account, F-skattenumber 
> etc?

Is the EP Society registered to pay "F-skatt" (corporate taxes)?
Really?

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From jacob at strakt.com  Wed May 19 16:11:35 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed May 19 16:11:39 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] can we make invoices yet?
In-Reply-To: <think001_40aba7e4a7594@webmail.thinkware.se>
References: <think001_40aba7e4a7594@webmail.thinkware.se>
Message-ID: <200405192211.35241.jacob@strakt.com>

On onsdag 19 maj 2004 20.37, Magnus Lycka wrote:
> > Which reminds me - being the treasurer and all for EP Society, where can
> > I get hold of all the data for the society? Bank account, F-skattenumber
> > etc?
>
> Is the EP Society registered to pay "F-skatt" (corporate taxes)?
> Really?

Europython is a non-profit organisation, and as long as we are not doing 
business with a purpose of making a profit, we do not need to register for 
paying taxes or making tax returns. Indeed, we are not required to keep 
accounting by the tax authorities.

We are not allowed to charge VAT, and we are not allowed to deduct VAT that we 
pay to companies that supply goods and services.

This is what I have understood to be the case after reading the special 
brochure that the tax office has made:

"Skatteregler f?r ideella f?reingar och stiftelser"

This can be downloaded from the website of the tax office. Unfortunately it is 
only availabe in Swedish (as far as I know).

Jacob

From MQESVLSCMGLHT at askic.kic.ritsumei.ac.jp  Tue May 18 14:54:22 2004
From: MQESVLSCMGLHT at askic.kic.ritsumei.ac.jp (Francesca Call)
Date: Thu May 20 02:15:30 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] i had no idea it was this cheap to get a program
	designed
Message-ID: <UQSCTPLHKIAQYKBVYIPJSHH@compulink.gr>

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From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu May 20 11:39:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Tonights meeting & update
Message-ID: <200405201739.22438.jacob@strakt.com>

I mostly have details that need to get brought up today.

Some issues that need to get resolved:

- All staff, track chairs and speakers need to register
I will pester staff, while track chairs will be assigned to pester speakers.

- Do we want speaker biographies in the programme? if so, we need to collect 
the information from the speakers.

- There is a limited possibility of housing more people at SGS. SHould we open 
this option and if so, how do we handle it?

- There is a need to handle out-of-band payments. How can we do this?

UPDATE:

I have been working on various things, and most of them are well under 
control.

- For T-shirts, we need the picture in a different format (it is in Shockwave, 
the store wants Adobe Illustrator or EPS). Laura has mailed Vincent about 
this. I haven't decided on colour yet, so you can still put in for your 
favourite one. What you say will affect my choice.

- Mwh started making Python scripts for exporting talk data. I have added to 
this and made a script for exporting people data as well.

- I have gotten an introduction to how the Reportlab conference kit works. We 
will start adding data as soon as possible, so that we can see what the 
programme will look like.

- I'm in contact with our potential sponsors. Activestate has submitted their 
materials. Astra-Zeneca and Wing are still not landed, but can be expected 
to.

- I have entered payment information for all SWIFT payments that I have 
received into the database. I put a code 'M' in the PayResult field (M for 
Manual), I enter payment amount and I enter the date the payment was received 
by the bank. It seems as if the editing forms have a little bug that drops 
the 'Year' field when you do the manual editing. I hope there are no other 
bugs like that, but I can't really tell.
 

- I have built a script that looks at failed registrations. It looks like a 
few of them may be genuine registrations and the persons making them may not 
be aware that that they have failed. We should check that these people don't 
have a registration that has gone through, and otherwise send them an email.

- I have built a script to analyse the registration data. This is what it 
currently says:

 noregistration  11 people x   0 Euro =     0 Euro
         normal  15 people x 220 Euro =  3300 Euro
          early  99 people x 160 Euro = 15840 Euro
        speaker  37 people x  70 Euro =  2590 Euro
  normalstudent   2 people x 160 Euro =   320 Euro
   earlystudent  13 people x 100 Euro =  1300 Euro
          staff   3 people x   0 Euro =     0 Euro
TOTAL: 23350 Euro

- This brings us to economy. I have updated my budget, and currently it looks 
like we need about 17 full paying people more to break even. This is because 
we have good control over exactly how much we will pay for the conference 
space. The budget is for 2 of the biggest and 2 of the smaller theatre layout 
lecture halls.

- We have received a go-ahead for the conference dinner. Laura and I will meet 
the person handling the event next week.

- For lunches, the enthusiasm from restaurants has not been as big as we 
expected. However, we have 2 options that we know will work. One is to use 
the restaurant of the Student Union, with a tray lunch. The other one is to 
have cold cuts and stuff from an outside caterer. We will try the Student 
Union next week, to see if they provide decent quality. If so, it would be 
the best option for us.

- Badge holders are somewhat delayed, but should not pose a problem.

- I will make a design for badges and tickets and hand off to ReportLab, in 
order to make PDF template that will take participant data.

Budget and scripts for downloading data are enclosed. The people.py script 
needs your Europython user name and password to work properly.

Jacob
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From jacob at strakt.com  Thu May 20 14:22:12 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu May 20 14:22:19 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Feedback forms
Message-ID: <200405202022.12546.jacob@strakt.com>

John Pinner has kindly volunteered to make a feedback form for Europython. He 
needs input on what questions to ask, so I have st up a wiki page for this:

http://z3u.com/ep2004/FeedbackFormDraft

Please help us make a good feedback form.

Jacob

From faassen at infrae.com  Fri May 21 17:38:05 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri May 21 17:38:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Tonights meeting & update
In-Reply-To: <200405201739.22438.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405201739.22438.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40AE76BD.9000001@infrae.com>

Hoi,

[for some reason my email from this morning didn't arrive on the list, 
trying again]

Argh, I did straight forget about the meeting yesterday (it being a
holiday here too). Sorry.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> - I have built a script to analyse the registration data. This is what it 
> currently says:
> 
>  noregistration  11 people x   0 Euro =     0 Euro
>          normal  15 people x 220 Euro =  3300 Euro
>           early  99 people x 160 Euro = 15840 Euro
>         speaker  37 people x  70 Euro =  2590 Euro
>   normalstudent   2 people x 160 Euro =   320 Euro
>    earlystudent  13 people x 100 Euro =  1300 Euro
>           staff   3 people x   0 Euro =     0 Euro
> TOTAL: 23350 Euro

Where is my tshirt registration? I registered as staff, but paying for a
tshirt. I don't see my registration. I think others registered that way
as well.

Note that this looks like we need about a 100 more registrations to make
this as big as last years EuroPython. How many speakers have not
registered yet?

Regards,

Martijn


From faassen at infrae.com  Fri May 21 06:19:31 2004
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat May 22 04:00:51 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Tonights meeting & update
In-Reply-To: <200405201739.22438.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405201739.22438.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <40ADD7B3.3050707@infrae.com>

Hoi,

Argh, I did straight forget about the meeting yesterday (it being a 
holiday here too). Sorry.

Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> - I have built a script to analyse the registration data. This is what it 
> currently says:
> 
>  noregistration  11 people x   0 Euro =     0 Euro
>          normal  15 people x 220 Euro =  3300 Euro
>           early  99 people x 160 Euro = 15840 Euro
>         speaker  37 people x  70 Euro =  2590 Euro
>   normalstudent   2 people x 160 Euro =   320 Euro
>    earlystudent  13 people x 100 Euro =  1300 Euro
>           staff   3 people x   0 Euro =     0 Euro
> TOTAL: 23350 Euro

Where is my tshirt registration? I registered as staff, but paying for a 
tshirt. I don't see my registration. I think others registered that way 
as well.

Note that this looks like we need about a 100 more registrations to make 
this as big as last years EuroPython. How many speakers have not 
registered yet?

Regards,

Martijn

From OQSQU at m.u-tokyo.ac.jp  Fri May 21 10:07:27 2004
From: OQSQU at m.u-tokyo.ac.jp (Bobbi Delarosa)
Date: Sat May 22 07:40:15 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] instant degree
Message-ID: <CZVMKDKSDKZPCFJFCUSAIG@dpunkt.de>

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From lac at strakt.com  Fri May 21 09:02:34 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat May 22 08:01:24 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] bogus registration apologised for. real ones coming
	next week.
Message-ID: <200405211302.i4LD2YHX019034@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


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Subject: Re: EuroPython conference 2004 payment/registration
From: Jeremy Speller <j.speller@ucl.ac.uk>
To: <lac@strakt.com>

My apologies - I did not intend to complete registration.  I was trying to
work out payment methods etc for a couple of staff here who want to come.
Please could you kindly disregard this registration - others will follow
from UCL next week.

Many thanks

*|| Jeremy Speller
||* Head of Web Services
*|| University College London
||*
*|| t: +44 (0)20 7679 5779 (internal ext 45779)
||* m: 07710 752312
*|| e: j.speller@ucl.ac.uk
||* w: http://www.ucl.ac.uk/


> Dear Mr. Jeremy Speller
> 
> Registration information EuroPython 2004
> ========================================
> 
> Thank you for your registration, your registration ID is P04142125208.
> We hope you'll enjoy EuroPython 2004 and look forward to meeting you. Below
> you'll find your registration and some important information. Please read it
> carefully and contact us immediately if you find a mistake. If you have
> questions
> regarding registration issues, please contact Laura Creighton lac@strakt.com.
> 
> Thanks and see you soon,
> EuroPython team.
> 
> Important: if you want to register for a sprint, use the Sprint Page
> http://z3u.com/ep2004/SprintPage
> 
> For any other issues, please contact Laura Creighton lac@strakt.com.
> 
> 
> An account has been created for you on the EuroPython website, with
> username j_speller and password 125414.
> 
> Clicking 
> http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/people/P04142125208/portal_
> form/ploco_person_view?__ac_name=j_speller&__ac_password=125414&disable_cookie
> _login__=1 
> will log in automatically and view your registration details.
> 
> 
> 
> registration ID: P04142125208
> 
> Person:
> 
> Mr. Jeremy Speller
> 
> 
> You have chosen to transfer the money to our account.
> Please give your registration-id: P04142125208 when
> transfering the total amount of 220.00 EUR
> to our account:
> 
> Bank account holder: Europython Society
> Bank account: 037 676 534-3  (non-Swedish residents)
>               983 415 181-4  (Swedish residents)
> 
> IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> 
> Address:
> c/o AB Strakt
> Norra ?gatan 10
> SE-416 64 G?teborg
> Sweden
> 
> 
> Address:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Registered Goods:
> 
> Conference T-Shirt: no
> 
> Registered Services:
> Jeremy Speller paid for
> Normal fee: 220 EUR EUR
> 
> 
> Registration Amount:  220.00 EUR
> Accomodation Amount:    0.00 EUR
> Paid by: swift
> 
> Important Info/Advice:
> ======================
> 
> * Please, bring this paper along to the entrance of the
> conference. It will ease and improve the speed of
> dispatching at the registration/info desk.
> 
> * If you are a student, don't forget to bring your student
> card along.
> 
> * If you are a speaker, it would be handy to bring the
> confirmation of your talk(s) by your trackchairman with you.
> 
> * The special conference T-shirts will be available at the EuroPython2004
> registration/info desk. Please, bring this paper with you
> when collecting your T-shirt.
> 
> * Soon you will be able to download the time tables of the
> talks from our website in PDF format. We advise you to
> print them out at your office and bring them with you to
> the conference. The EuroPython2004 conference itself is
> unable to provide them to you at the conference.
> 
> --
> 

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From Elva at placestolove.com  Sun May 23 12:56:29 2004
From: Elva at placestolove.com (Blind Date Invitation)
Date: Sun May 23 11:57:35 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Surprise Invitation.
Message-ID: <DDBXFPJGYZXJTGDHDCMFE@msn.com>

For what is the best choice, for each individual is the highest it is possible for him to achieve.
I just stopped playing bitches on wheels and peoples' mothers. I have only a few more years to kick up my heels!
The minute you settle for less than you deserve, you get even less than you settled for.
The person born with a talent they are meant to use will find their greatest happiness in using it.
For the dead there are no more toils.
The absent are never without fault. Nor the present without excuse.
Before you can do something you must first be something.
Let us move from the era of confrontation to the era of negotiation.
Cats and monkeys monkeys and cats all human life is there.
You name it and I've done it. I'd like to say I did it my way. But that line, I'm afraid, belongs to someone else.
If we cannot end our differences at least we can make the world safe for diversity.
No great intellectual thing was ever done by great effort.
Experience does not err. Only your judgments err by expecting from her what is not in her power.
I know of no more encouraging fact than the unquestionable ability of man to elevate his life by conscious endeavor.
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From john at clocksoft.com  Sun May 23 12:59:44 2004
From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner)
Date: Sun May 23 13:00:34 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Feedback Form
Message-ID: <1085331584.4234.1.camel@pike.clocksoft.dom>

Dear All,

I have put some notes on the Feedback Form at

http://z3u.com/ep2004/DraftFeedbackFormNotes.

Please add your comments by Sunday 30th May.

Thanks,

John
-- 
John Pinner.
john@clocksoft.com
Clockwork Software Systems         'Systems to stand the test of time'
Bridge House, 17a Maybrook Road
Sutton Coldfield, B76 1AL. UK
Tel: +44 121 313 3850.  Fax: +44 121 313 3860




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From michel.debar at fundp.ac.be  Mon May 24 03:29:00 2004
From: michel.debar at fundp.ac.be (Michel Debar)
Date: Mon May 24 03:32:05 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Please amend my conference registration
Message-ID: <6.0.3.0.2.20040524092649.031acec0@pop.fundp.ac.be>

Due to unfortunate circumstances - my wife will have to undergo surgery very soon - I will not be able to attend Europython this year. I have asked a colleague to replace me at the conference :

S?bastien Verbois 
sebastien.verbois@fundp.ac.be

all other particulars are the same.

Could you thus substitute his name for mine. He will have with him a copy of the registration confirmation you had sent me.

Yours truly,

Michel Debar

P.S.   
I was unable to send e-mail to epc@europython.org : 
... 
References: <200404141300.i3ED0pR18374@stroopwafel.amaze.nl> 
... 
----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- 
<epc@europython.org> 
(reason: 550 5.1.1 <epc@europython.org>... User unknown)


At 15:00 14/04/2004, you wrote:
>Dear Mr. Michel Debar 
>
>Registration information EuroPython 2004
>========================================
>
>Thank you for your registration, your registration ID is P04105145803.
>We hope you'll enjoy EuroPython 2004 and look forward to meeting you. Below 
>you'll find your registration and some important information. Please read it 
>carefully and contact us immediately if you find a mistake. If you have questions
>regarding registration issues, please contact Laura Creighton lac@strakt.com.
>
>Thanks and see you soon,
>EuroPython team.
>
>Important: if you want to register for a sprint, use the Sprint Page http://z3u.com/ep2004/SprintPage
>
>For any other issues, please contact Laura Creighton lac@strakt.com.
>
>
>An account has been created for you on the EuroPython website, with
>username michel_debar and password 150046.  
>
>Clicking http://www.europython.org/conferences/epc2004/info/people/P04105145803/portal_form/ploco_person_view?__ac_name=michel_debar&__ac_password=150046&disable_cookie_login__=1 
>will log in automatically and view your registration details.
>
>
>
>registration ID: P04105145803
>
>Person:
>
>Mr. Michel Debar
>
>
>
>Address:
>
>Rue Grandgagnage, 21
>be 5000
>Namur
>
>Registered Goods:
>
>Conference T-Shirt: L, 15 EUR
>
>Registered Services:
>Michel Debar paid for 
>Early bird fee: 160 EUR EUR
>
>
>Registration Amount:  175.00 EUR
>Accomodation Amount:    0.00 EUR
>Paid by: Visa
>
>Important Info/Advice:
>======================
>
>* Please, bring this paper along to the entrance of the 
>conference. It will ease and improve the speed of 
>dispatching at the registration/info desk.
>
>* If you are a student, don't forget to bring your student 
>card along.
>
>* If you are a speaker, it would be handy to bring the 
>confirmation of your talk(s) by your trackchairman with you.
>
>* The special conference T-shirts will be available at the EuroPython2004
>registration/info desk. Please, bring this paper with you 
>when collecting your T-shirt.
> 
>* Soon you will be able to download the time tables of the 
>talks from our website in PDF format. We advise you to 
>print them out at your office and bring them with you to 
>the conference. The EuroPython2004 conference itself is 
>unable to provide them to you at the conference.
>  
>--


Michel DEBAR  -  Directeur Technique
FUNDP University computing service (SIU)
21, rue Grandgagnage 
B-5000 Namur
Belgium 

t?l.     +32 (81) 72 50 16          T?l. secr?tariat  +32 (81) 72 50 07          fax.     +32 (81) 72 50 23

Michel.Debar@fundp.ac.be         
http://www.fundp.ac.be
http://infosiu.fundp.ac.be
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From jacob at strakt.com  Mon May 24 05:47:51 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon May 24 05:48:00 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Please amend my conference registration
In-Reply-To: <6.0.3.0.2.20040524092649.031acec0@pop.fundp.ac.be>
References: <6.0.3.0.2.20040524092649.031acec0@pop.fundp.ac.be>
Message-ID: <200405241147.51028.jacob@strakt.com>

On m?ndag 24 maj 2004 09.29, Michel Debar wrote:
> Due to unfortunate circumstances - my wife will have to undergo surgery
> very soon - I will not be able to attend Europython this year. I have asked
> a colleague to replace me at the conference :
>
> S?bastien Verbois
> sebastien.verbois@fundp.ac.be
>
> all other particulars are the same.
>
> Could you thus substitute his name for mine. He will have with him a copy
> of the registration confirmation you had sent me.

Dear Michel,

I hope everything goes well with your wifes surgery. We are sorry we won't see 
you this year, but hope you will have the opportunity to come to Europython 
next year.

I have changed your registration to go to S?bastien, as requested.

Jacob Hall?n
Europython head organiser

From msalib at MIT.EDU  Mon May 24 18:54:03 2004
From: msalib at MIT.EDU (Michael Salib)
Date: Mon May 24 18:55:28 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython: Speaker biography requested
In-Reply-To: <200405242210.i4OMApGY002659@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200405242210.i4OMApGY002659@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1085439243.3776.4.camel@place-where-no-shadows-fall>

Hi,

My paper has been accepted under the refereed papers track.
Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend since I lack the funds needed
to travel. Moreover, because I have been sick and struggling to finish a
thesis, I have not been able to get any significant amount of work done
beyond what I had presented at Pycon in Washington this past March. I
can submit the same paper I submitted for Pycon, but I cannot submit
anything more than that. 

Alternatively, if you prefer to have only original submissions, I can
withdraw my proposal. 

Please let me know what you would prefer.

Many thanks,
Mike Salib


On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 18:10, Jacob HallXn wrote:
> Dear Europython speaker,
> 
> When we built the website for this years Europython, we missed the
> detail of making an entry field for speaker biographies. Since we
> are right in the middle of producing the programme for the conference
> we need to remedy this problem in a hurry.
> 
> Please go to http://www.strakt.com/~jacob/biography.html
> 
> Enter the email address to which this email is addressed
> (it is being used as they key to match your biography with your talk(s)).
> Then enter a short biography. About 3-8 lines of text is appropriate.
> 
> I would also be very grateful if you could do this before the end
> of Thursday 27 May.
> 
> Best regards
> 
> Jacob Halln
> Europython head organiser


From dalke at dalkescientific.com  Tue May 25 01:39:00 2004
From: dalke at dalkescientific.com (Andrew Dalke)
Date: Tue May 25 01:39:05 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] need volunteer help?
Message-ID: <D33D9ECD-AE0D-11D8-9035-000A956826C8@dalkescientific.com>

Hi,

    Do you all need on-site volunteer help for EuroPython?

   I will be arriving on the Saturday evening before the conference
and will be there the full time.

					Andrew
					dalke@dalkescientific.com


From andreas at andreas-jung.com  Tue May 25 15:17:33 2004
From: andreas at andreas-jung.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Tue May 25 15:17:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Subject: Nachricht von Europython team
	(europython@python.org)
In-Reply-To: <20040524222108.D910E200029@service-web.de>
References: <20040524222108.D910E200029@service-web.de>
Message-ID: <596B739BF4EEB911DFBF7CC8@[192.168.0.105]>


Sorry about that. I fixed the address.

Andreas
--On Dienstag, 25. Mai 2004 0:21 Uhr +0200 contact@zopyx.com wrote:

> Email europython@python.org
> Subject: Subject: Nachricht von Europython team (europython@python.org)
>
> You have a non-working address registered with your Europython talk. We
> need to be able to get in contact with our speakers!
>
> You also have a very irritaing form that requires a bunch of fields when
> I just want to send a simple message.





From postmaster at nmail.forbis.lt  Wed May 26 06:18:11 2004
From: postmaster at nmail.forbis.lt (postmaster@nmail.forbis.lt)
Date: Wed May 26 06:18:26 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] VIRUS IN YOUR MAIL
Message-ID: <200405261018.i4QAIBua017318@nmail.forbis.lt>

                           V I R U S  A L E R T

Our viruschecker found the

	W32/Netsky.b@MM

virus(es) in your email to the following recipient(s):

-> 200305060832.28510.b.maryniuk@forbis.lt

Please check your system for viruses, or ask your system administrator
to do so.

For your reference, here are the headers from your email:

------------------------- BEGIN HEADERS -----------------------------
Return-Path: <europython@python.org>
Received: from forbis.lt ([195.62.143.197])
	by nmail.forbis.lt (8.12.11/8.12.11av) with SMTP id i4QAI2Lv017296
	for <200305060832.28510.b.maryniuk@forbis.lt>; Wed, 26 May 2004 13:18:02 +0300 (EEST)
	(envelope-from europython@python.org)
From: europython@python.org
Message-Id: <200405261018.i4QAI2Lv017296@nmail.forbis.lt>
To: 200305060832.28510.b.maryniuk@forbis.lt
Subject: information
Date: Wed, 26 May 2004 13:18:15 +0300
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="12534357"
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=4.9 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no 
	version=2.63
X-Spam-Level: **
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From jacob at strakt.com  Wed May 26 07:13:40 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed May 26 07:13:46 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki
Message-ID: <200405261313.40287.jacob@strakt.com>

I have set up and made a wiki skeleton on python.org.

I'd like to have a tab for the wiki at the top of www.europython.org. I don't 
know how to do such things though, so I hope someone else will take care of 
that.

Feel free to build on the wiki.

Jacob

From bea at webwitches.com  Wed May 26 07:30:01 2004
From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine)
Date: Wed May 26 07:27:18 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Wiki
In-Reply-To: <200405261313.40287.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200405261313.40287.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <1085571001.29824.14.camel@ogg.webwitches.com>

On Wed, 2004-05-26 at 13:13, Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> I have set up and made a wiki skeleton on python.org.
> 
> I'd like to have a tab for the wiki at the top of www.europython.org. I don't 
> know how to do such things though, so I hope someone else will take care of 
> that.

done

bea

-- 
bea@webwitches.com
"My agenda is so hidden that I can't find it myself". Me.


From mgedmin at b4net.lt  Wed May 26 10:22:37 2004
From: mgedmin at b4net.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Wed May 26 10:22:50 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython: Speaker biography requested
In-Reply-To: <200405242209.i4OM9odx002224@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200405242209.i4OM9odx002224@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <20040526142236.GB15478@perlas>

I just wanted you to know that your emails arrive ill-formed -- they
contain non-ASCII characters, but have no Content-Type headers with
charset information.  Also, headers containing non-ascii characters are
not encoded according to RFC-2047.

Marius Gedminas
-- 
The death rate on Earth is: .... (computing) .... One per person.
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From aleaxit at yahoo.com  Thu May 27 05:28:45 2004
From: aleaxit at yahoo.com (Alex Martelli)
Date: Thu May 27 05:28:55 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython: Speaker biography requested
In-Reply-To: <200405242210.i4OMASeu002475@enzo.strakt.com>
References: <200405242210.i4OMASeu002475@enzo.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <4039A883-AFC0-11D8-B41B-000A95EFAE9E@yahoo.com>


On 2004 May 25, at 00:10, Jacob Hall?n wrote:

> Dear Europython speaker,

Hi Jacob,

> go to http://www.strakt.com/~jacob/biography.html
>
> Enter the email address to which this email is addressed
> (it is being used as they key to match your biography with your 
> talk(s)).
> Then enter a short biography. About 3-8 lines of text is appropriate.
>
> I would also be very grateful if you could do this before the end
> of Thursday 27 May.

Done, and I received the strange response screen:

['1', '2', '3', '4', '5', '6', '7', '8', '9', '10', '11', '12', '13', 
'14', '15', '16', '17', '18', '19', '20', '21', '22', '23', '24', '25', 
'26', '27']
Thank you for your help

from resulting location http://www.strakt.com/~jacob/cgi-bin/bio.cgi -- 
I hope it's all right...!


Alex


From lac at strakt.com  Thu May 27 08:23:12 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu May 27 08:23:16 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Sprint Payment check
Message-ID: <200405271223.i4RCNCV6005202@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>


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From: Audun Vaaler <audun.vaaler@hiof.no>
Subject: EuroPython 2004 registration
Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:11:26 +0200
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Hello,

Could you please confirm whether or not you have received payment for 
registration and accomodation at EuroPython 2004? I have paid using 
money transfer, and want to be sure that the payment actually has come 
through.

My registration IDs are

   * P04119141700 (conference registration)
   * P04120135938 (accomodation)

Sincerely,
- - --
Audun Vaaler
Computer Engineer, Ostfold College, Norway
http://www.hiof.no/~audunv
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From mwh at python.net  Thu May 27 13:32:09 2004
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu May 27 13:32:13 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] Re: Europython: Speaker biography requested
In-Reply-To: <1085439243.3776.4.camel@place-where-no-shadows-fall> (Michael
	Salib's message of "Mon, 24 May 2004 18:54:03 -0400")
References: <200405242210.i4OMApGY002659@enzo.strakt.com>
	<1085439243.3776.4.camel@place-where-no-shadows-fall>
Message-ID: <2moeo922ue.fsf@starship.python.net>

Michael Salib <msalib@MIT.EDU> writes:

> My paper has been accepted under the refereed papers track.
> Unfortunately, I won't be able to attend since I lack the funds
> needed to travel.

For those following along at home: the problems have been sorted out
:-)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I have a cat, so I know that when she digs her very sharp claws into
  my chest or stomach it's really a sign of affection, but I don't see
  any reason for programming languages to show affection with pain.
                                        -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From tom at aragne.com  Thu May 27 14:49:51 2004
From: tom at aragne.com (tom)
Date: Thu May 27 14:49:27 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] An interview with Armin Rigo
Message-ID: <00b401c4441b$65661090$897ba8c0@simkin>

Hi all,

In EuroPython's third interview, we speak with Armin Rigo. Interested? Have a look at: 

http://www.europython.org/interviews/2004_armin_rigo/view

Enjoy!

Regards,
tom.
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From Farzad.Faramarzi at astrazeneca.com  Fri May 28 07:39:05 2004
From: Farzad.Faramarzi at astrazeneca.com (Farzad.Faramarzi@astrazeneca.com)
Date: Fri May 28 07:40:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] =?iso-8859-1?q?r=E4kning_till_EuroPython_Conference?=
Message-ID: <ABAEB493FC25D611BEE20002A5FB530AC89FFF@semldsntmsx204.seml.astrazeneca.net>

Hej 
Vi ?r 2 personer from astrazeneca som vill komma till EuroPython Conference.
men vi kan inte registrera oss genom Registrering sidan
kan ni skicka r?kningen till 

Farzad Faramarzi
Astrazeneca R&D M?lndal
43183 M?lndal

MVH
Farzad Faramarzi

From lac at strakt.com  Fri May 28 08:27:23 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri May 28 08:28:21 2004
Subject: [EuroPython]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?r=E4kning_till_EuroPython_Conference?= 
In-Reply-To: Message from Farzad.Faramarzi@astrazeneca.com of "Fri,
	28 May 2004 13:39:05 +0200."
	<ABAEB493FC25D611BEE20002A5FB530AC89FFF@semldsntmsx204.seml.astrazeneca.net>
References: <ABAEB493FC25D611BEE20002A5FB530AC89FFF@semldsntmsx204.seml.astrazeneca.net>
Message-ID: <200405281227.i4SCRNtk008896@ratthing-b246.strakt.com>

In a message of Fri, 28 May 2004 13:39:05 +0200, Farzad.Faramarzi@astrazeneca.c
om writes:
>Hej 
>Vi ?r 2 personer from astrazeneca som vill komma till EuroPython Conferenc
>e.
>men vi kan inte registrera oss genom Registrering sidan
>kan ni skicka r?kningen till 

Translation -- we are 2 people from AstraZeneca who want to come
to the conference, but we cannot register.  They wanted us to do
this manually ...

>
>Farzad Faramarzi
>Astrazeneca R&D M?lndal
>43183 M?lndal
>
>MVH
>Farzad Faramarzi

Can you mail us what happens when you try to register?  Do you
have coookies disabled or something?  Registering should still
work ...

Laura


>
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython@python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From jacob at strakt.com  Fri May 28 08:33:11 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri May 28 08:33:14 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] =?iso-8859-1?q?r=E4kning_till_EuroPython?= Conference
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Message-ID: <200405281433.11040.jacob@strakt.com>

On fredag 28 maj 2004 13.39, Farzad.Faramarzi@astrazeneca.com wrote:
> Hej
> Vi ?r 2 personer from astrazeneca som vill komma till EuroPython
> Conference. men vi kan inte registrera oss genom Registrering sidan
> kan ni skicka r?kningen till
>
> Farzad Faramarzi
> Astrazeneca R&D M?lndal
> 43183 M?lndal

Handled.

Jacob

From TEDTJIMPU at tpts1.seed.net.tw  Fri May 28 14:26:23 2004
From: TEDTJIMPU at tpts1.seed.net.tw (Doug Rossi)
Date: Fri May 28 13:28:25 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] real, certifiable university degrees for sale
Message-ID: <D5115E4C3CB42.BD2A2@TEDTJIMPU@tpts1.seed.net.tw>

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From michele.simionato at partecs.com  Sat May 29 09:21:51 2004
From: michele.simionato at partecs.com (Michele Simionato)
Date: Sat May 29 09:23:58 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] canceling reservation
Message-ID: <40B88E6F.5030306@partecs.com>

Hi to all Europython organizers!

Some time ago I registered to come to EuroPython in June and I payed the 
registration fee.
Unfortunately I cannot make it. I am too busy with work in that period :-(
So, I would like to know how the refound works.

I am really sad I couldn't make it this year, but there is always next 
year, isn't it?

Best regards and have a nice happening,


       Michele Simionato

From jacob at strakt.com  Sat May 29 11:33:19 2004
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Sat May 29 11:33:26 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] canceling reservation
In-Reply-To: <40B88E6F.5030306@partecs.com>
References: <40B88E6F.5030306@partecs.com>
Message-ID: <200405291733.19243.jacob@strakt.com>

On l?rdag 29 maj 2004 15.21, Michele Simionato wrote:
> Hi to all Europython organizers!
>
> Some time ago I registered to come to EuroPython in June and I payed the
> registration fee.
> Unfortunately I cannot make it. I am too busy with work in that period :-(
> So, I would like to know how the refound works.
>
> I am really sad I couldn't make it this year, but there is always next
> year, isn't it?
>
> Best regards and have a nice happening,
>
>
>        Michele Simionato

I'll handle this.

Jacob

From fsfvgkokjjtlb at juelich.de  Sat May 29 16:15:50 2004
From: fsfvgkokjjtlb at juelich.de (Victoria Ransom)
Date: Sat May 29 15:25:01 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] 14* Your opinions are worth money
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From FNQWAWDQAXTN at pc-plus.de  Mon May 31 02:00:38 2004
From: FNQWAWDQAXTN at pc-plus.de (Corrine Connors)
Date: Mon May 31 01:05:42 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] no need to lie on your application,
	we can sell you a verifiable university degree
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From lac at strakt.com  Mon May 31 04:20:23 2004
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon May 31 04:20:31 2004
Subject: [EuroPython] wants invoice
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