[EuroPython] EPC 2005: where and when?
dario at ita.chalmers.se
Thu Oct 7 08:16:55 CEST 2004
Magnus Lycka wrote:
>>Laura Creighton wrote:
>>>But I think that everybody who worked on the conference
>>>last year is aware of how thoroughly unhappy and frustrated I was with Plone,
>>>and the Plonish way of doing things, which is why I want to provide an alternative.
> Dario replied:
>>sure, though I think the problem with that stance is that many others
>>were not unhappy.
> I am so far unimpressed by Plone. I think I just realized why, and
> also why there is this big gap in opinons about it. It seems to me
> that Plone is designed to make web site designers and administrators
> happy, and it seems that this happens at the expense of the visitors
> of the web site. Most Plone sites I see look reasonably good (although
> rather similar after a while) but provide poor navigation, often expose
> flaws (like links or searches leading to pages that doesn't seem to be
> intended for site visitors) and expose things on the pages that are
> irrelevant to normal site visitors and thus increase the cognitive load
> without adding value.
> I think it's important that things that are irrelevant to normal site
> visitors are not shown to normal site visitors. Is that possible with
> Plone? (I.e. hide the log in and join links for normal users, make sure
> that .)
I am not going into a dicussion of whether Plone is aporpiate or not - I
am totally uninterested in that. Suffice it to say that Plone has been
successfully used all over the world, and that I myself have coded an
application to manage Kerberos passwords using Oracle as the Catalog
Most of the complaints are about VISUAL LAYOUT of the site, but that is
*so* much an opinion and
> I also got the feeling that he site designers tried to use features
> of Plone that weren't at all ideal (or even intended) for the use it
> got. The main example was to use the login and editing features that
> are intended for Plone content providers for registration of conference
> attendees and speakers. To me it's really surprising (and poor design)
> to mix web site data with conference business data, but the foremost
> problem was that registration was a lot more confusing than it ought to
> be. Plone developement reminds me of application development in MS Excel,
> and that is not in Plones favour...
Well, like I said - see above... The onoy positive thing related to the
website issue so far is that we are actually talking about it NOW and
not 2 weeks before the conference.
It seems quite obvious that most people that have complaints about the
site do not know plone or zope at all; I have also com tu udnerstand
that using Zope-based software is, to my utter amazement, a politically
controversial issue in the non-zope python world.
I wonder how much of the Plone issues people have are b ased on that.
Nevertheless, I applause any effort to improve the website, and I think
this dicussion is an utterly pointless one. If Strakt has an alternative
solution, then by all means use that.
I have no comments for the rest of this letter, other than what I
allready have said above.
/dario - withdrawing.
Dario Lopez-Kästen, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
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