From jacob at strakt.com Tue Feb 1 21:51:26 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Tue Feb 1 21:58:09 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Troble working with the website Message-ID: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> Hi! I have been trying to add some of our old contents to the new site, and I have a few problems. 1. I can't add to the general structure. I probably don't have privileges enough. Do I need to make any modifications to the general structire or will jmo and others handle that? 2. When I make a "Flexible Document", and try to make it lik to an Image, in the same directory, it doesn't. I know you can have an image as a part of the document, but that has its own problems. You can only have a few text/image sections in one document, and I ran out. Is this because my images are not published, or due to some other problem? 3. What is the planned workflow of the site? Do I write things in my own directory and then publish them? If so, will others be able to modify my writings? This is necessary, for things to work smoothly. All the core organsiers should be able to edit anything on the site. Jacob From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Tue Feb 1 21:57:38 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Tue Feb 1 22:11:12 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Troble working with the website In-Reply-To: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <41FFED42.6000409@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: >Hi! > > > Hi! >I have been trying to add some of our old contents to the new site, and I have >a few problems. > >1. I can't add to the general structure. I probably don't have privileges >enough. Do I need to make any modifications to the general structire or will >jmo and others handle that? > > > I've create an 'EP' user group (with users that have already registered) and assigned the 'Section Manager' role to it, so now you can modify the general structure. >2. When I make a "Flexible Document", and try to make it lik to an Image, in >the same directory, it doesn't. I know you can have an image as a part of the >document, but that has its own problems. You can only have a few text/image >sections in one document, and I ran out. Is this because my images are not >published, or due to some other problem? > > That's right, the number can be increased from 3 to anything, 20 should be enough? The same goes with maximum file sizes. it can be increased from 3MB to anothing. >3. What is the planned workflow of the site? Do I write things in my own >directory and then publish them? If so, will others be able to modify my >writings? This is necessary, for things to work smoothly. All the core >organsiers should be able to edit anything on the site. > >Jacob > > You can put personal documents in your home folder and all other shared documents in the 'EP group' workspace. If you expect a document to be shared with others then put it directly in the 'EP group' so that others in the group can modified. Otherwise you can of course move already published documents from your home folder to the group folder and vice versa without affecting the published document. regards /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 2 00:52:53 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Feb 2 01:10:00 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] front page In-Reply-To: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <42001655.1010809@ita.chalmers.se> Hi! I've removed the large picture from the front page, replaced it with boxes with dummy content until there is something to show. Basically there could be any information in them (latest news, events, updates, tracks....., direct links to pages, images, etc...) - I think it can be seen as a pinboard. see: http://europython-develop.zope.nl/ (front) http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/board.png (backstage) /JM From chris at simplistix.co.uk Wed Feb 2 10:50:29 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Wed Feb 2 10:50:32 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] front page In-Reply-To: <42001655.1010809@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> <42001655.1010809@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4200A265.1090503@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > I've removed the large picture from the front page, replaced it with > boxes with dummy content until there is something to show. Basically > there could be any information in them (latest news, events, updates, > tracks....., direct links to pages, images, etc...) - I think it can be > seen as a pinboard. Thanks, better, but can we please get the "what, who, why" to be at the same vertical alignment? I'd suggest booting "image of the day" below "upcoming events"and have shortcuts be two columns wide but the same height as "latest site updates"... Anyone else agree? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 2 11:12:35 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Feb 2 11:13:43 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] front page In-Reply-To: <4200A265.1090503@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> <42001655.1010809@ita.chalmers.se> <4200A265.1090503@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <4200A793.8040505@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> I've removed the large picture from the front page, replaced it with >> boxes with dummy content until there is something to show. Basically >> there could be any information in them (latest news, events, >> updates, tracks....., direct links to pages, images, etc...) - I >> think it can be seen as a pinboard. > > > Thanks, better, but can we please get the "what, who, why" to be at > the same vertical alignment? I'd suggest booting "image of the day" > below "upcoming events"and have shortcuts be two columns wide but the > same height as "latest site updates"... > > Anyone else agree? > Hi! > cheers, > > Chris > do you mean like this:? http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/ep-front-layout.png (slots view) http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/ep-front-layout2.png (portlets view) I've added a theme switcher so it's now easy to add / remove portlets on the front page. But the main grid structure should not be modified. So it is more a matter of agreeing on the grid structure than on its actual contents that can be changed afterwards. there is now : ---------------------- | box1 | box2 | box3 | ---------------------- | box4 | box5 | ---------------------- vertical lengths for boxes inside a same slot are dependent on their contents and it's almost impossible to control it in a simple way, but having two rows make it possible to realign the boxes somewhere at the middle of the page (latest site updates, shortcuts). /JM From jacob at strakt.com Tue Feb 1 22:01:48 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Wed Feb 2 11:51:10 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure Message-ID: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> It looks like this email got caught in a network ffailure at our site. I'm resending, so in case you see 2, you know why. Here is the menu structure that I would like to have for the website. I think it fairly well reflects the way people think when they view the site. Jacob Registration issues Registration information Registration Location About the conference venue General information about G?teborg and Sweden Getting to G?teborg Transit information Getting around the G?teborg area Accomodation Europython special accomodation Youth Hostels B&B Cheap Hotels Medium price Hotels Expensive Hotels Tracks and talks Propose a talk Track overview Schedule day 1 Schedule day 2 Schedule day 3 Print your own programme Events Keynotes Pub Conference dinner Breakfast Lunch Sprints and wiki Propose a sprint Sprint times and locations Proposed sprints Attendee wiki From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 2 15:31:26 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Feb 2 15:35:09 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: >It looks like this email got caught in a network ffailure at our site. I'm >resending, so in case you see 2, you know why. > >Here is the menu structure that I would like to have for the website. >I think it fairly well reflects the way people think when they view the site. > >Jacob > > Hi, thanks! the structure is now online. I had to make some of the level 1 item titles shorter. There are some more adjustments to be made in the left navigation portlet. But it will be easier to see what changes to do when content has been published. /JM From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Feb 3 08:59:25 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu Feb 3 08:59:28 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] front page In-Reply-To: <4200A793.8040505@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> <42001655.1010809@ita.chalmers.se> <4200A265.1090503@simplistix.co.uk> <4200A793.8040505@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4201D9DD.5070609@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/ep-front-layout2.png > (portlets view) That looks absolutely perfect :-) > vertical lengths for boxes inside a same slot are dependent on their > contents and it's almost impossible to control it in a simple way, Well, only if you're really hard nosed about how you build it. This IS tabular data, and as such, you COULD use a table ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Feb 3 09:03:25 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu Feb 3 09:03:43 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > the structure is now online. I had to make some of the level 1 item > titles shorter. > There are some more adjustments to be made in the left navigation > portlet. But it will be easier to see what changes to do when content > has been published. Just to say, the website is starting to look REALLY good :-) Little niggles: 1. Was really slow to load when I just went there 2. Can we drop the unlabelled and somewhat non - descript search box floating about the top bar down into a box with a blue-bar header of "Search" that appears under "Image of the day"? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 10:56:00 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:04:26 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> the structure is now online. I had to make some of the level 1 item >> titles shorter. >> There are some more adjustments to be made in the left navigation >> portlet. But it will be easier to see what changes to do when content >> has been published. > > > Just to say, the website is starting to look REALLY good :-) > > Little niggles: > > 1. Was really slow to load when I just went there > I noticed that too. The first loading of the page takes quite some until all objects are in the cache (and there are quite a lot of objects on a single page). Could have something to do with the zope object cache settings? The server is Zope-2.7.2 maybe it should upgraded to the latest 2.7.4? > 2. Can we drop the unlabelled and somewhat non - descript search box > floating about the top bar down into a box with a blue-bar header of > "Search" that appears under "Image of the day"? > yes I will do that. /JM > cheers, > > Chris > From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 11:16:38 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:25:17 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <4201FA06.5090101@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > 1. Was really slow to load when I just went there > another thing: the server has 4 processors but the zope processes do not seem to be bound to any of them. is there the equivalent of 'taskset' command on debian? /JM From magnus at thinkware.se Thu Feb 3 11:31:14 2005 From: magnus at thinkware.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_Lyck=E5?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:31:27 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <4201FD72.2000406@thinkware.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: >Here is the menu structure that I would like to have for the website. >I think it fairly well reflects the way people think when they view the site. > > I'm missing a place in the menu structure for speaker presentations/interviews. Should we have that? >Registration issues > Registration information > Registration >Location > About the conference venue > General information about G?teborg and Sweden > Getting to G?teborg > Transit information > Getting around the G?teborg area >Accomodation > Europython special accomodation > Youth Hostels > B&B > Cheap Hotels > Medium price Hotels > Expensive Hotels >Tracks and talks > Propose a talk > Track overview > Schedule day 1 > Schedule day 2 > Schedule day 3 > Print your own programme >Events > Keynotes > Pub > Conference dinner > Breakfast > Lunch >Sprints and wiki > Propose a sprint > Sprint times and locations > Proposed sprints > Attendee wiki > > From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 11:37:27 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 3 11:46:19 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <4201FD72.2000406@thinkware.se> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4201FD72.2000406@thinkware.se> Message-ID: <4201FEE7.1070900@ita.chalmers.se> Magnus Lyck? wrote: > Jacob Hall?n wrote: > >> Here is the menu structure that I would like to have for the website. >> I think it fairly well reflects the way people think when they view >> the site. >> >> > I'm missing a place in the menu structure for speaker > presentations/interviews. Should we have that? > probably yes. somehow related to this, what about a list of content types for such documents? Such things as interviews, presentations should preferably have the same presentation layout and data structure.. - Speaker presentations (a photo, background info, text, related links, ...) - Interviews (photo, text) - Track info - ... new types can be created in 2 minutes with CPSTypeMaker (which is already installed), but it is good to know in advance how many of them there will be and what they should contain. /JM From dario at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 13:31:20 2005 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 13:31:36 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser Message-ID: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Hello people, now that EPC 2005 is rolling and all sorts of practical details are being taken care of, I would like draw your attention to EPC 2006. Yes, that's next years EPC. There is a proposal discussed off and on the list, that EPC 2006 be hosted by CERN. There is a bunch of enthusiasts at CERN that are very, very interested in hosting a EuroPython Conference, and 2006 is the best candidate year for them. It turns out that CERN uses Python a *lot* in its research facilities so they actually like the idea of having loads of Python folks coming to visit them. For the EPC and the European Python Community, this is a potentially huge opportunity to promote Python and its usage, and for companies doing business with Python it a way of further "legitimising" Python as an enterprise level Application development component. The would-be organisers at CERN have researched and lobbied for this at CERN since ECP 2004 and they are now ready to formally announce and work for EPC 2006. With regard to logistics, we can get good prices for hotels. There is a list of Hotels that offer special prices for CERN visitors and the prices range from 100 CHF for one person and 135 CHF for two, up to around 300 CHF for two persons, depending on the hotel (several of the hotels, even the cheaper ones, offer breakfast included). 1 CHF ~ 0.5 Euros. I have a set of scanned images for those who would like to examine the prices more carefully. Rooms for sprints and meetings will be available as needed and traveling to Genevea should not be a big problem, since at least Eayjet fly to geneva, and I assume that traveling by train is possible too at humane prices. What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and they need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). *Therefore, I would like request that those who support this reply to the list as soon as possible.* This is a great opportunity to get even more great publicity for Python, not to mention that I think it would be really really cool and nice to go to CERN to attend EPC 2006. Please respond ASAP to the list with your thoughts. Sincerely, /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 14:20:15 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 3 14:30:50 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] mirroring europython.org Message-ID: <4202250F.4060104@ita.chalmers.se> Hi! what about mirroring the europython site on a server at Chalmers? fetching the front page from here (Sweden) to the Netherlands takes 0.45s on the localhost (zope.nl) the front page gets loaded in 0.18s which means that almost 0.3s get lost in the transfer between the server in the Netherlands and Chalmers. We could set up a Squid locally at the university that people during the conferene could use as a mirror of the main site. /JM From mwh at python.net Thu Feb 3 15:13:05 2005 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:13:07 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> ( =?iso-8859-1?q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten's_message_of?= "Thu, 03 Feb 2005 13:31:20 +0100") References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> Dario Lopez-K?sten writes: > > With regard to logistics, we can get good prices for hotels. There is > a list of Hotels that offer special prices for CERN visitors and the > prices range from 100 CHF for one person and 135 CHF for two, up to > around 300 CHF for two persons, depending on the hotel (several of the > hotels, even the cheaper ones, offer breakfast included). 1 CHF ~ 0.5 > Euros. I have a set of scanned images for those who would like to > examine the prices more carefully. That doesn't sounds *amazingly* cheap, but I guess it is .ch... > What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and > they need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). Well, I think it's a good idea. I also think I've said this before now... Cheers, mwh -- You owe The Oracle a TV with an 'intelligence' control - I've tried 'brightness' but that didn't work. -- Internet Oracularity #1192-01 From Alexandre.Fayolle at logilab.fr Thu Feb 3 15:22:42 2005 From: Alexandre.Fayolle at logilab.fr (Alexandre) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:22:54 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <20050203142242.GQ11831@crater.logilab.fr> On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:31:20PM +0100, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and they > need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). Speaking on behalf of Logilab, I say +1 for EPC2006@CERN. We work with several research centers in Grenoble, France, where some people would like to attend EPC, but feel that Sweden is a bit remote. Going to Geneva, on the other hand is quite feasable for them. And since I personnaly live 50km away from Geneva, well... ;-) -- Alexandre Fayolle LOGILAB, Paris (France). http://www.logilab.com http://www.logilab.fr http://www.logilab.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20050203/4d6aed68/attachment.pgp From dario at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 15:23:46 2005 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:24:01 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <420233F2.6020408@ita.chalmers.se> Michael Hudson wrote: > Dario Lopez-K?sten writes: >>What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and >>they need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). > > Well, I think it's a good idea. I also think I've said this before now... yes, you have. You were also the only one to comment it last time when I mailed to the EPC board... I was just thinking that more than two votes in favor (mine included) would be nice ;-) On the other hand no-one has objected yet... /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx From steve at canonical.com Thu Feb 3 15:30:43 2005 From: steve at canonical.com (Steve Alexander) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:30:49 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <420233F2.6020408@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <420233F2.6020408@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <42023593.6080802@canonical.com> > yes, you have. You were also the only one to comment it last time when I > mailed to the EPC board... I was just thinking that more than two votes > in favor (mine included) would be nice ;-) > > On the other hand no-one has objected yet... Am I on the board? I think it is a good idea. -- Steve Alexander From faassen at infrae.com Thu Feb 3 15:31:07 2005 From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:30:50 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <420235AB.3020401@infrae.com> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and they > need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). +1 from me Regards, Martijn From aiste at pov.lt Thu Feb 3 15:46:39 2005 From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite) Date: Thu Feb 3 15:46:43 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4202394F.3090904@pov.lt> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 +1 from POV, the only cconcern is hotel prices. (as we usually travel in bulk :)) - -- Aiste Kesminaite Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius Phone: +370 6563 6462 Email: aiste@pov.lt Web: www.pov.lt -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFCAjlOfK7m+cZVdY0RAuzQAKCe2LECYcv9BFZ4sey/VRqPTpYt3wCeLmLM 4NY9MheMSTwz0IXQEKX6vms= =qrUX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From bea at webwitches.com Thu Feb 3 16:10:46 2005 From: bea at webwitches.com (Beatrice Fontaine) Date: Thu Feb 3 16:10:51 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <420233F2.6020408@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <420233F2.6020408@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <1107443446.26779.357.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 15:23, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > yes, you have. You were also the only one to comment it last time when I > mailed to the EPC board... I was just thinking that more than two votes > in favor (mine included) would be nice ;-) > > On the other hand no-one has objected yet... I don't think it is the role of the EPC board to decide on that. I am a member of the board purely because the conference was organised in Sweden and a non-profit organisation (with a board) was required to act as the bank account holder in the country, so I volunteered to put my name down for last year's event. That doesn't make me into decision-maker on where to move the conference. Technically we should have a yearly board meeting soon anyway, at which any member of the EPC board may withdraw or be kicked out, anyhow. If you want to make it a board decision, there would have to be a board meeting. i.m.h.o. the location for 2006 should be a community decision. I believe it was quite clear last year that the general plan was to move town after 2 years in the same town, currently G?teborg. I think CERN is a nice next step. That's me talking, not the still-board member. bea -- bea@webwitches.com "I will, as we say in rock 'n' roll, run until the wheels come off, because I love what I do." -- David Crosby From dario at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 16:25:53 2005 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 16:26:08 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <1107443446.26779.357.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <420233F2.6020408@ita.chalmers.se> <1107443446.26779.357.camel@ogg.webwitches.com> Message-ID: <42024281.80203@ita.chalmers.se> Beatrice Fontaine wrote: > On Thu, 2005-02-03 at 15:23, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > I don't think it is the role of the EPC board to decide on that. ... > > i.m.h.o. the location for 2006 should be a community decision. correct, that is why no decision was made then and the reason I now sent the question to the mailling list (the community channel) for approval/denial. > I think CERN is a > nice next step. That's me talking, not the still-board member. Thanks, /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx From mal at egenix.com Thu Feb 3 16:28:15 2005 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu Feb 3 16:28:18 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4202430F.5030609@egenix.com> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > Hello people, > > now that EPC 2005 is rolling and all sorts of practical details are > being taken care of, I would like draw your attention to EPC 2006. Yes, > that's next years EPC. > > There is a proposal discussed off and on the list, that EPC 2006 be > hosted by CERN. There is a bunch of enthusiasts at CERN that are very, > very interested in hosting a EuroPython Conference, and 2006 is the best > candidate year for them. > > ... > > What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and they > need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). Go! ... (That was it ? ... I wish everything would be that easy ;-) > *Therefore, I would like request that those who support this reply to > the list as soon as possible.* > > This is a great opportunity to get even more great publicity for Python, > not to mention that I think it would be really really cool and nice to > go to CERN to attend EPC 2006. > > Please respond ASAP to the list with your thoughts. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Feb 03 2005) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,FreeBSD for free ! :::: From arigo at tunes.org Thu Feb 3 16:29:59 2005 From: arigo at tunes.org (Armin Rigo) Date: Thu Feb 3 16:42:56 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <20050203152959.GB10047@vicky.ecs.soton.ac.uk> Hi, EuroPython 2006 at the CERN looks like a good idea to me too. On Thu, Feb 03, 2005 at 01:31:20PM +0100, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > 1 CHF ~ 0.5 Euros. Actually, it's rather 3 CHF ~ 2 Euros. Switzerland is not cheap... Armin From jacob at strakt.com Thu Feb 3 17:06:52 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 17:07:04 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502031706.52997.jacob@strakt.com> I'm all for this, and I'm willing to help the new organisation committee to get started. Jacob From john at clocksoft.com Thu Feb 3 18:52:46 2005 From: john at clocksoft.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu Feb 3 18:52:57 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <200502031706.52997.jacob@strakt.com> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <200502031706.52997.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <420264EE.7020307@clocksoft.com> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > I'm all for this, and I'm willing to help the new organisation committee to > get started. > > Jacob Sounds good! +1 John -- intY has scanned this email for all known viruses (www.inty.com) From lac at strakt.com Thu Feb 3 19:19:07 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:19:17 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: Message from Chris Withers of "Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:03:25 GMT." <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <200502031819.j13IJ7Aj003317@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> In a message of Thu, 03 Feb 2005 08:03:25 GMT, Chris Withers writes: >Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: >> the structure is now online. I had to make some of the level 1 item >> titles shorter. >> There are some more adjustments to be made in the left navigation >> portlet. But it will be easier to see what changes to do when content >> has been published. > >Just to say, the website is starting to look REALLY good :-) > >Little niggles: > >1. Was really slow to load when I just went there > >2. Can we drop the unlabelled and somewhat non - descript search box >floating about the top bar down into a box with a blue-bar header of >"Search" that appears under "Image of the day"? > >cheers, > >Chris > >-- >Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting > - http://www.simplistix.co.uk >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython search boxes belong at the top. people who only come to the site to search it hate to have to scroll to the bottom in order to get to work. Laura From lac at strakt.com Thu Feb 3 19:57:42 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu Feb 3 19:57:46 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] mirroring europython.org In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet of "Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:20:15 +0100." <4202250F.4060104@ita.chalmers.se> References: <4202250F.4060104@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502031857.j13IvgRW003798@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Sounds good to me. Laura In a message of Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:20:15 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: >Hi! > >what about mirroring the europython site on a server at Chalmers? > >fetching the front page from here (Sweden) to the Netherlands takes 0.45s > >on the localhost (zope.nl) the front page gets loaded in 0.18s which >means that almost 0.3s get lost in the transfer between the server in >the Netherlands and Chalmers. > >We could set up a Squid locally at the university that people during the >conferene could use as a mirror of the main site. > >/JM >_______________________________________________ >EuroPython mailing list >EuroPython@python.org >http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From lac at strakt.com Thu Feb 3 20:07:48 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Thu Feb 3 20:07:52 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Hudson of "Thu, 03 Feb 2005 14:13:05 GMT." <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <200502031907.j13J7m15004496@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> While Switzerland is a wonderful place to visit, and CERN is really cool, I would be a lot happier if I knew exactly who the people who would be organising things in Switzerland are, and why we should believe they are capable of running conferences. Can we get something more formal in the way of a proposal? Laura From jacob at strakt.com Thu Feb 3 20:21:52 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 20:21:56 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Trouble working with the website In-Reply-To: <41FFED42.6000409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> <41FFED42.6000409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502032021.52541.jacob@strakt.com> On tisdag 1 februari 2005 21.57, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > Jacob Hall?n wrote: > >Hi! > > Hi! > > >I have been trying to add some of our old contents to the new site, and I > > have a few problems. > > > >1. I can't add to the general structure. I probably don't have privileges > >enough. Do I need to make any modifications to the general structire or > > will jmo and others handle that? > > I've create an 'EP' user group (with users that have already registered) > and assigned the 'Section Manager' role to it, so now you can modify the > general structure. > > >2. When I make a "Flexible Document", and try to make it lik to an Image, > > in the same directory, it doesn't. I know you can have an image as a part > > of the document, but that has its own problems. You can only have a few > > text/image sections in one document, and I ran out. Is this because my > > images are not published, or due to some other problem? > > That's right, the number can be increased from 3 to anything, 20 should > be enough? The same goes with maximum file sizes. it can be increased > from 3MB to anothing. Ok, I'll check and see if the accomplishes the desired result. Why can't I link directly to pictures in the same folder? Can I put in full URL:s? > > >3. What is the planned workflow of the site? Do I write things in my own > >directory and then publish them? If so, will others be able to modify my > >writings? This is necessary, for things to work smoothly. All the core > >organsiers should be able to edit anything on the site. > > > >Jacob > > You can put personal documents in your home folder and all other shared > documents in the 'EP group' workspace. > > If you expect a document to be shared with others then put it directly > in the 'EP group' so that others in the group can modified. Otherwise > you can of course move already published documents from your home folder > to the group folder and vice versa without affecting the published > document. I tried coying stuff from my folders to the common workspace, but I can't seem to find a way to do this. Do I have to build the objects from scratch again? I managed to make links to the objects in my workspace, but then it looks as if you can't edit the object through the link, which is not what I wanted. Another thing I don't quite understand is where material goes, and how it should be named. I had assumed that in the "Accomodation folder, we would put an Object called "Europython special accomodation". Now there is a folder called "Europython special accomodation", so my guess is that we put something inside that folder. However, I don't know what type of object that should be or what it should be called. My third problem is that I can't find where the texts for the first page are located. I intended to make a stab at replacing the fake texts with some real text. Jacob From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 20:31:47 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 3 20:43:13 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Trouble working with the website In-Reply-To: <200502032021.52541.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> <41FFED42.6000409@ita.chalmers.se> <200502032021.52541.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <42027C23.90009@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > >I tried coying stuff from my folders to the common workspace, but I can't seem >to find a way to do this. Do I have to build the objects from scratch again? >I managed to make links to the objects in my workspace, but then it looks as >if you can't edit the object through the link, which is not what I wanted. > > > hi what you do is that you publish them under /sections/location or whatever .. by doing copy and paste (as it seems you've done already in http://europython-develop.zope.nl/sections/location/about_the_conference/ ) this is the equivalent of publishing them all at the same time. The documents are then in the published state. then you can move the work document from your home folder to the common workspace. By doing cut and paste.- ( if you do copy and paste you will create *new* copies -- which is not what you want.) So do cut them before pasting them. I've changed the default folder view to show 'folder contents' >Another thing I don't quite understand is where material goes, and how it >should be named. I had assumed that in the "Accomodation folder, we would put >an Object called "Europython special accomodation". Now there is a folder >called "Europython special accomodation", so my guess is that we put >something inside that folder. However, I don't know what type of object that >should be or what it should be called. > > folders make sense if there is more than one document in them. Otherwise publishing a document in the parent folder is simpler way of achieving the same thing. There is no equivalent of the "folder" where you add an "index_html" as in Plone. It could be than some folders are redundant. We can remove them afterwards. >My third problem is that I can't find where the texts for the first page are >located. I intended to make a stab at replacing the fake texts with some real >text. > >Jacob > > These are portlets, so you have to use the portlet editor. If you've got the text that should go in them I can replace them now, regards /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 22:41:56 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 3 22:54:55 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Trouble working with the website In-Reply-To: <200502032021.52541.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502012151.26494.jacob@strakt.com> <41FFED42.6000409@ita.chalmers.se> <200502032021.52541.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <42029AA4.1040804@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: > >I tried coying stuff from my folders to the common workspace, but I can't seem >to find a way to do this. Do I have to build the objects from scratch again? >I managed to make links to the objects in my workspace, but then it looks as >if you can't edit the object through the link, which is not what I wanted. > > Hi, here is how to do it: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/move-to-ep-group.html (again do a 'cut' & 'paste' if the documents are already published otherwise what you will put in the common workspace will be a copy of the original documents (unpublished)) when it comes to images inside documents, the only way to do it cleanly is to actually include the images in the document otherwise it will be impossible to move the documents or publish them in different places and there might be permission issues, wrong URLs to images, etc. (it only works if you do in-place publication as on a classic webserver or as in Plone). So basically just add simple photos to documents, without text.(there is now a fourth option to add 'photos') see: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/photos.html And this is what you get without all the links problems http://europython-develop.zope.nl/sections/location/about_the_conference/venue PS: the copy-and-paste way of publishing documents into sections does not seem to work (it is filed as bug #429 http://bugs.nuxeo.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429) so the only way of publishing documents right now is to click on the 'submit' action regards /JM. > >Jacob > > From dario at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 3 23:18:33 2005 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Thu Feb 3 23:18:49 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <200502031907.j13J7m15004496@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <200502031907.j13J7m15004496@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <4202A339.90600@ita.chalmers.se> Laura Creighton wrote: > While Switzerland is a wonderful place to visit, and CERN is really cool, > I would be a lot happier if I knew exactly who the people who would be > organising things in Switzerland are, and why we should believe they > are capable of running conferences. Can we get something more formal > in the way of a proposal? Hi, I am sure that intention of this letter is not so harsh and confrontational as it sounds, and a presentation is certainly in order (it needn't be a full-blown professional presentation ;-). In the meanwhile, to somewhat statisfy Laura's and other's desire for background, I refer to a post on the list back in June 2004: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2004-June/004475.html For a full description of the organising team, I'll leave it up to Benedict, since I am only an intermediary in this matter. At least this time it is more organised than the debate we had about organising EPC 2004 :-) http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2003-July/thread.html For a good reference, see Jacob's original Draft proposal for hosting EPC 2004: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2003-August/003419.html Something similar to this would be nice. Cheers, /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Feb 4 07:24:37 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri Feb 4 07:24:41 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <200502031819.j13IJ7Aj003317@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <200502031819.j13IJ7Aj003317@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: <42031525.2090504@simplistix.co.uk> Laura Creighton wrote: > > search boxes belong at the top. people who only come to the site to search > it hate to have to scroll to the bottom in order to get to work. Yes, but if you don't know it's a search box, it's useless. Given your comments, I agree it'd make more sense for the box to appear above the "image of the day" cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Feb 4 07:30:24 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri Feb 4 07:30:26 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <42031680.8030103@simplistix.co.uk> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > What they now need is a "Go!" decision from the EPC Community, and they > need it this week (I know, 2 days to go). I bit late in my response, but +1 anyway :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Feb 4 10:40:30 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri Feb 4 10:40:33 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > I noticed that too. The first loading of the page takes quite some until > all objects are in the cache (and there are quite a lot of objects on a > single page). Could have something to do with the zope object cache > settings? The server is Zope-2.7.2 maybe it should upgraded to the > latest 2.7.4? I don't think 2.7.2 to 2.7.4 will make much of a difference. I was hoping this was just a once off, but it was slow to load again this morning. I don't have many ideas about this, but someone needs to analyse what's going on :-( > yes I will do that. Perfect :-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Fri Feb 4 10:46:11 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Fri Feb 4 10:58:18 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> I noticed that too. The first loading of the page takes quite some >> until all objects are in the cache (and there are quite a lot of >> objects on a single page). Could have something to do with the zope >> object cache settings? The server is Zope-2.7.2 maybe it should >> upgraded to the latest 2.7.4? > > > I don't think 2.7.2 to 2.7.4 will make much of a difference. I was > hoping this was just a once off, but it was slow to load again this > morning. > > I don't have many ideas about this, but someone needs to analyse > what's going on :-( > I've increased the size of the 'main_db' cache to 10000 objects, but it doesn't help when the cache is empty. Zope-2.7.2 has two severe memory leaks, transciense issues, see http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.4/CHANGES.txt - so I don't think it's a good choice, but this is not my choice. If you want to do some monitoring there is a heartbeat DTML document (http://europython-develop.zope.nl/heartbeat) which is 1 object in zope and you should measure how much time it takes to wake it up (it took 3 seconds last time I tried which is a bit high in my opininon..). The entire front page has about 500 objects. but if we put a squid in front of it, there won't be any problem. /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Fri Feb 4 11:20:21 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Fri Feb 4 11:33:04 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] decorating folders Message-ID: <42034C65.7000104@ita.chalmers.se> Hi Then when it comes to folders containing published documents, they should be decorated and not simply list folder contents since this function is already fulfilled by the navigation menu on the left and because when you navigate on a website you don't want to see folder listings as on your hard drive or as on an ftp server.. right now we have a site structure with 25 sections with a title and a description for each of them, what is missing is the text describing the content of each folder. this animation shows how to add some text. but you can also add photos, etc. http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/decorate-folders.html the whole idea is to move from a document repository to a website that is easy to navigate. So the rule of the thumb is: if you are creating a page that contains other pages, create a sections (blue tabs) and publish documents in them, then decorate them ('edit') and the menu on the left will fulfill the "folder listing" function. If the page that you are creating contains no other sub-pages then just publish it in a section. /JM From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch Sat Feb 5 20:44:43 2005 From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner) Date: Sat Feb 5 20:44:56 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <4202A339.90600@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <200502031907.j13J7m15004496@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <4202A339.90600@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <39d60f0a8f88d1f3971e55ad668162e8@cern.ch> Hi, to answer Laura?s question I will give you two names of the team. - Michael Doran is responsible for Technology Transfer, Strategy & Planning. He is responsible for or involved in most of the conferences held at CERN. The last bigger one was: http://rsis.web.cern.ch/rsis/ . In his mind europython is a relatively small and easy to organize conference - For several years Andreas Pfeiffer was member of the organizing committee of the CERN School of Computing. There are a lot more people supporting us which are quite experienced in organizing conferences and bigger events. And what about myself? I was responsible for several smaller interdisciplinary conferences and seminars in Germany with up to 100 people. So the size of europython is new for me. Since I have all our meeting notes in my office I couldn't prepare an extensive proposal which covers all points. Here is a short list of the most important points. A real proposal will follow if there is interest. Please let me know. Cheers Benedikt Conference Rooms ================== The conference will be mainly in CERN Bldg. 40 4 auditoriums for parallel sessions 1 auditorium for plenary sessions several meeting rooms for 20-40 people each room has at least one beamer auditoriums equipped for videoconferencing Computer infrastructure ======================== Every room has network outlets for 100MBit and sometimes 1GBit. WLAN in the hole area Conference printers Helpdesk Support from local IT division (equipment) Local transportation ========================= Geneve main station <-> CERN: 25 minutes by bus (about 2,30 SFr) Airport <-> CERN: about 30 - 35 minutes by bus. There is the idea to arrange a shuttle service from some hotels to CERN Social activities =============== You have the possibility to go to Geneva or to enjoy the countryside around. The Jura Mountains are not far away. For sports we have one football and one rugby field available at CERN. Sprint space ============ We will have sprint space available from one week before the conference. CERN Specials =============== Visit one of the biggest research institutes in the world and _the_ institute for high energy physics We will arrange special introductions for you to learn more about high energy physics and the role of CERN in this business Excursions to experiment areas Accomodation ================== There is a list of Hotels that offer special prices for CERN visitors and the prices range from 100 CHF for one person and 135 CHF for two, up to around 300 CHF for two persons, depending on the hotel (several of the hotels, even the cheaper ones, offer breakfast included). For students/ academic staff there are hostels on CERN area: 55 CHF/ night . Maybe we can arrange something for non students. From jacob at strakt.com Sat Feb 5 20:58:16 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Sat Feb 5 20:58:19 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <39d60f0a8f88d1f3971e55ad668162e8@cern.ch> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <4202A339.90600@ita.chalmers.se> <39d60f0a8f88d1f3971e55ad668162e8@cern.ch> Message-ID: <200502052058.16322.jacob@strakt.com> Thanks Benedikt, this is really useful and promising information. I personally look forward to attending Europython at CERN. Jacob On l?rdag 5 februari 2005 20.44, Benedikt Hegner wrote: > Hi, > > to answer Laura?s question I will give you two names of the team. > > - Michael Doran is responsible for Technology Transfer, Strategy & > Planning. He is responsible for or involved in most of the conferences > held at CERN. The last bigger one was: http://rsis.web.cern.ch/rsis/ . > In his mind europython is a relatively small and easy to organize > conference > - For several years Andreas Pfeiffer was member of the organizing > committee of the CERN School of Computing. > > There are a lot more people supporting us which are quite experienced > in organizing conferences and bigger events. And what about myself? I > was responsible for several smaller interdisciplinary conferences and > seminars in Germany with up to 100 people. So the size of europython is > new for me. > > Since I have all our meeting notes in my office I couldn't prepare an > extensive proposal which covers all points. Here is a short list of the > most important points. A real proposal will follow if there is > interest. Please let me know. > > Cheers > Benedikt > > > Conference Rooms > ================== > The conference will be mainly in CERN Bldg. 40 > 4 auditoriums for parallel sessions > 1 auditorium for plenary sessions > several meeting rooms for 20-40 people > > each room has at least one beamer > auditoriums equipped for videoconferencing > > > Computer infrastructure > ======================== > Every room has network outlets for 100MBit and sometimes 1GBit. > WLAN in the hole area > Conference printers > Helpdesk > Support from local IT division (equipment) > > > Local transportation > ========================= > Geneve main station <-> CERN: 25 minutes by bus (about 2,30 SFr) > Airport <-> CERN: about 30 - 35 minutes by bus. > There is the idea to arrange a shuttle service from some hotels to CERN > > > Social activities > =============== > You have the possibility to go to Geneva or to enjoy the countryside > around. The Jura Mountains are not far away. For sports we have one > football and one rugby field available at CERN. > > > Sprint space > ============ > We will have sprint space available from one week before the conference. > > > CERN Specials > =============== > Visit one of the biggest research institutes in the world and _the_ > institute for high energy physics > We will arrange special introductions for you to learn more about high > energy physics and the role of CERN in this business > Excursions to experiment areas > > > Accomodation > ================== > There is a list of Hotels that offer special prices for CERN visitors > and the prices range from 100 CHF for one person and 135 CHF for two, > up to around 300 CHF for two persons, depending on the hotel (several > of the hotels, even the cheaper ones, offer breakfast included). > For students/ academic staff there are hostels on CERN area: 55 CHF/ > night . Maybe we can arrange something for non students. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From ghum at gmx.net Sat Feb 5 21:00:43 2005 From: ghum at gmx.net (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Sat Feb 5 21:01:04 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <39d60f0a8f88d1f3971e55ad668162e8@cern.ch> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <200502031907.j13J7m15004496@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <4202A339.90600@ita.chalmers.se> <39d60f0a8f88d1f3971e55ad668162e8@cern.ch> Message-ID: <420525EB.6000605@gmx.net> Benedikt, that sound more than cool! I hope a good delegation of CERN will be to Goetheborg and present this! I am more than sure that that will give a more than positive impression and attrackt even more people. For myself ... 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(Unless, like PyCon you schedule your conference just before Easter :-) ) People who meet at the conference decide they want to Sprint afterwards. I still think that it would be useful to provide some sort of preliminary budget. But it sure looks promising. Laura Creighton From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch Sat Feb 5 22:01:25 2005 From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner) Date: Sat Feb 5 22:01:42 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] [Please read and respond!] We have an EPC 2006 host and organiser In-Reply-To: <200502052032.j15KWirt011972@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> References: <42021998.3020409@ita.chalmers.se> <2mpszh7mvi.fsf@starship.python.net> <200502031907.j13J7m15004496@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> <4202A339.90600@ita.chalmers.se> <39d60f0a8f88d1f3971e55ad668162e8@cern.ch> <200502052032.j15KWirt011972@ratthing-b246.strakt.com> Message-ID: Hello Laura, thanks for this information about sprints. This can easily be changed if people want this. Regarding the budget - what do you want to know? I suggest an offlist discussion together with Dario. Benedikt On 05.02.2005, at 21:32, Laura Creighton wrote: > > This is looking really good, though experience has shown that Sprints > are better _after_ and not _before_ the conference. (Unless, like > PyCon you schedule your conference just before Easter :-) ) People > who meet at the conference decide they want to Sprint afterwards. > I still think that it would be useful to provide some sort of > preliminary budget. But it sure looks promising. > > Laura Creighton > From jacob at strakt.com Sun Feb 6 02:08:30 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Sun Feb 6 02:08:34 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Website to review Message-ID: <200502060208.31024.jacob@strakt.com> Please go to http://europython-develop.zope.nl/ and check out the website. This is a quick transplantation of last years contents, with some new information. In particular, I would like help with the following: - Check that there isn't any information that pertains to last year. - If you are a track chair, review the information about your track, and send me a revised text. I have simply dropped in last years text in most cases. (Track chairs will get a personal letter about this, since I'm not sure all track chairs are subscribed to the list.) - Consider if there is any more information thst should go in. The talk registration pages have bugs. This is a known problem. We will work on these in the beginning of next week. Jacob From jacob at strakt.com Sun Feb 6 02:11:53 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Sun Feb 6 02:11:55 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] A few more web details to solve Message-ID: <200502060211.53344.jacob@strakt.com> 1. On the venue page, my pictures get scaled to itty-bitty size. How do I get to keep them at original size? 2. I'd like my registration forms, which are not part of the CMS to look similar to the rest of the site. I don't know anything about CSS and stuff. How do I get a CSS that provides the necessary look&feel? Jacob From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sun Feb 6 12:22:52 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sun Feb 6 12:43:42 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Website to review In-Reply-To: <200502060208.31024.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502060208.31024.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <4205FE0C.9010801@ita.chalmers.se> Hi, Just a note for section managers (Jacob, Laura, and I) about the workflow: * copying documents from the workspaces to the sections won't work, i.e. documents will be present in the section folders, but they won't have followed any transition and be in the 'published' state. It is a half-implemented feature - maybe it should be removed. So the correct way of publishing documents is to go to the workspaces and click on the 'submit' action. Users that are not section managers cannot do copy and paste so the problem occurs only if you are section manager. this is filed as bug #429 ( http://bugs.nuxeo.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=429 ) * if as a section manager you just do an 'edit' on a published document you will create a newer version of the document but the document in the workspace will still be in the older version, and other members will not have access to the latest version. So basically don't modify a document directly with 'edit' unless you are prepared to have it replaced by an older version later on by accident. this is filed as bug #443 ( http://bugs.nuxeo.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=443 ) basically section managers have too high privileges and some features should be disabled. To sum it up: create documents in the workspaces (in the "EP group") and publish them into the sections with 'submit'. Everything else is likely to leave the site in an relatively unmanageable state. thanks /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sun Feb 6 13:26:33 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sun Feb 6 13:48:01 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: A few more web details to solve In-Reply-To: <200502060211.53344.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502060211.53344.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <42060CF9.60302@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: Hi! >1. On the venue page, my pictures get scaled to itty-bitty size. How do I get >to keep them at original size? > > > Actually the resizing is done in HTML (not on the actual pictures), so I think that I can remove it from the HTML code and the pictures will be shown as-is. >2. I'd like my registration forms, which are not part of the CMS to look >similar to the rest of the site. I don't know anything about CSS and stuff. >How do I get a CSS that provides the necessary look&feel? > > > the CSS file for the EP site can be downloaded from http://europython-develop.zope.nl/portal_themes/EP/renderCSS but the class names must be the same otherwise it won't work. I will take a look at the forms and see how to set the correct markup so that you'll be able to link to the CSS file directly and get the same page style: PS: I will soon add a text-only accessible view of the site for users that want a fancy-free fast access to the information. see for ex. http://europython-develop.zope.nl/?page=text /JM >Jacob > > From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sun Feb 6 14:06:32 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sun Feb 6 14:06:40 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: A few more web details to solve In-Reply-To: <42060CF9.60302@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502060211.53344.jacob@strakt.com> <42060CF9.60302@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <42061658.7050106@ita.chalmers.se> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > > PS: I will soon add a text-only accessible view of the site for users > that want a fancy-free fast access to the information. see for ex. > http://europython-develop.zope.nl/?page=text > > /JM fancyless .. :-) /JM From dario at ita.chalmers.se Sun Feb 6 16:26:39 2005 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Sun Feb 6 16:26:15 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: A few more web details to solve In-Reply-To: <42061658.7050106@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502060211.53344.jacob@strakt.com> <42060CF9.60302@ita.chalmers.se> <42061658.7050106@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4206372F.1030401@ita.chalmers.se> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> >> PS: I will soon add a text-only accessible view of the site for users >> that want a fancy-free fast access to the information. see for ex. >> http://europython-develop.zope.nl/?page=text >> >> /JM > > > fancyless .. :-) eh... actually I find myself liking the minimalistic design the fancyless page has more than the purplish design the real site has :-) /dario PS: can we remove the purple background or is it too late in the process? If yes, go please do, if no, then no matter :) -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Sun Feb 6 19:27:09 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Sun Feb 6 19:29:02 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Re: A few more web details to solve In-Reply-To: <4206372F.1030401@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502060211.53344.jacob@strakt.com> <42060CF9.60302@ita.chalmers.se> <42061658.7050106@ita.chalmers.se> <4206372F.1030401@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4206617D.5010209@ita.chalmers.se> Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: >> >>> >>> PS: I will soon add a text-only accessible view of the site for >>> users that want a fancy-free fast access to the information. see >>> for ex. http://europython-develop.zope.nl/?page=text >>> >>> /JM >> >> >> >> fancyless .. :-) > > > eh... actually I find myself liking the minimalistic design the > fancyless page has more than the purplish design the real site has :-) > > /dario > > PS: can we remove the purple background or is it too late in the > process? If yes, go please do, if no, then no matter :) > Well, this is what the fancyless page is made for... :-) /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 7 00:15:33 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 7 00:20:42 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] site updates Message-ID: <4206A515.3050703@ita.chalmers.se> Hi! * a stripped down version of the EP site is available by clicking on the "Text-only version" link (cookies must be allowed) click on "Graphic version" to get back to the default page. Now comes the question of rotating banners. * I've rewritten the code so that the rotation is now done on the server's side instead of having a client-side rotation in javascript. This is to avoid cluttering the html code if there is going to be a lot more banners. Additional 468x60 banners can be added easily. (see the 'custom_rotating_banner.py' script). The text of the banners could also be shown in text version of the site (as they do for instance on Google - http://www.google.se/search?q=zope ) * Otherwise the image format for online ad images (non-rotating in the left column) is approx. 180-200px wide. /JM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: custom_rotating_banner.py Type: text/x-python Size: 680 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20050207/1db65bf2/custom_rotating_banner.py From stefano at pragma2000.com Mon Feb 7 10:26:30 2005 From: stefano at pragma2000.com (Stefano Masini) Date: Mon Feb 7 10:28:31 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Banners and Google Message-ID: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> Hello dear Europython organizers, thanks for your job. I just want to spend a few words about banners. Wouldn't it be usefull to have a "Links" section, where all the banners of all the sponsors are shown? This way we would give Google a better chance to correctly index the europython website, I think. I'm not sure whether server-side rotating banners present a fair view to Google. It probably is limited to the banner that is shown when the spidering happens. Personally I liked last year's solution where all the sporsors where listed in the home page. That gave terrific feedback to google, and since europython.org was ranked 8/10, I think sponsors must have been happy too. But I do realize that this year's website is *a lot* better looking, and listing all the sponsors in the home page would probably not be appropriate. That's my 2 cents... ciao stefano From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 7 10:33:32 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 7 10:42:32 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Banners and Google In-Reply-To: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> References: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> Message-ID: <420735EC.6090302@ita.chalmers.se> Stefano Masini wrote: > > Hello dear Europython organizers, thanks for your job. > > I just want to spend a few words about banners. > > Wouldn't it be usefull to have a "Links" section, where all the > banners of all the sponsors are shown? > > This way we would give Google a better chance to correctly index the > europython website, I think. I'm not sure whether server-side rotating > banners present a fair view to Google. It probably is limited to the > banner that is shown when the spidering happens. > > Personally I liked last year's solution where all the sporsors where > listed in the home page. That gave terrific feedback to google, and > since europython.org was ranked 8/10, I think sponsors must have been > happy too. > > But I do realize that this year's website is *a lot* better looking, > and listing all the sponsors in the home page would probably not be > appropriate. > > That's my 2 cents... > > ciao > stefano > Hi! Would it make sense for Google to index image ads throughout the site instead of having all of them gathered on a same page? The top banner is rotating indeed, but there is also a space reserved under "Sponsors:" (left-column -bottom) for local banners, that are not rotating and that are different depending on the page that visitors are looking at. So you can have Sponsor1 in "Tracks", Sponsor2 and Sponsor3 in "Events", Sponsor4 in "Events keynotes", etc.... These are just portlets located in different folders and at any place you can choose to override those located "above" in the site structure. There can be 1 or 10 ads per page or whatever. It is also possible to gather all image ads on a same page but their visibility will be higher if they are spread across the entire site I guess.. Also it makes it possible to associate ads to a context. regards /JM From chris at simplistix.co.uk Mon Feb 7 11:18:48 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Mon Feb 7 11:19:25 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <42074088.7050208@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > I've increased the size of the 'main_db' cache to 10000 objects, but it > doesn't help when the cache is empty. > Zope-2.7.2 has two severe memory leaks, transciense issues, see > http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.4/CHANGES.txt - so I don't think it's > a good choice, but this is not my choice. Okay, well, an upgrade should be pretty easy right? > but if we put a squid in front of it, there won't be any problem. That is NOT the right solution to this problem... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 7 11:21:52 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 7 11:31:20 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <42074088.7050208@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> <42074088.7050208@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <42074140.2080403@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> I've increased the size of the 'main_db' cache to 10000 objects, but >> it doesn't help when the cache is empty. >> Zope-2.7.2 has two severe memory leaks, transciense issues, see >> http://zope.org/Products/Zope/2.7.4/CHANGES.txt - so I don't think >> it's a good choice, but this is not my choice. > > > Okay, well, an upgrade should be pretty easy right? > Yes, it is easy, but can someone at amaze.nl upgrade to Zope.2.7.4? I did some optimization in the theme renderer and the response time seems quite good. >> but if we put a squid in front of it, there won't be any problem. > > > That is NOT the right solution to this problem... > > Chris > this is right, Squid won't work either since the site is using cookies and the authenticated pages have the same addresses as the anonymous pages. However I am convinced that some sort of mirroring with ZEO would speed up the access for conference attendees. /JM From mwh at python.net Mon Feb 7 13:58:26 2005 From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson) Date: Mon Feb 7 13:58:28 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <42074140.2080403@ita.chalmers.se> (Jean-Marc Orliaguet's message of "Mon, 07 Feb 2005 11:21:52 +0100") References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> <42074088.7050208@simplistix.co.uk> <42074140.2080403@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <2mfz087ci5.fsf@starship.python.net> Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: > this is right, Squid won't work either since the site is using cookies > and the authenticated pages have the same addresses as the anonymous > pages. However I am convinced that some sort of mirroring with ZEO > would speed up the access for conference attendees. It seems fine to me now... Cheers, mwh -- faassen: anyway, if nothing else flapping your arms running around will at least give an impression of activity. :) From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 7 15:45:22 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 7 15:58:38 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <2mfz087ci5.fsf@starship.python.net> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> <42074088.7050208@simplistix.co.uk> <42074140.2080403@ita.chalmers.se> <2mfz087ci5.fsf@starship.python.net> Message-ID: <42077F02.2030101@ita.chalmers.se> Michael Hudson wrote: >Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: > > > >>this is right, Squid won't work either since the site is using cookies >>and the authenticated pages have the same addresses as the anonymous >>pages. However I am convinced that some sort of mirroring with ZEO >>would speed up the access for conference attendees. >> >> > >It seems fine to me now... > >Cheers, >mwh > > > Hi! Well, the site got another speed boost since almost everything except the main document is now cached in RAM. especially the menu on the left that was the part that took the most time to render. see: http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ep2005/ep-cache.png so maybe it will be enough with server-side caching. /JM From chris at simplistix.co.uk Tue Feb 8 11:00:43 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Tue Feb 8 11:00:46 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Menu structure In-Reply-To: <42074140.2080403@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502012201.48755.jacob@strakt.com> <4200E43E.2090207@ita.chalmers.se> <4201DACD.9090307@simplistix.co.uk> <4201F530.4030209@ita.chalmers.se> <4203430E.70407@simplistix.co.uk> <42034463.1010406@ita.chalmers.se> <42074088.7050208@simplistix.co.uk> <42074140.2080403@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <42088DCB.1000701@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > this is right, Squid won't work either since the site is using cookies > and the authenticated pages have the same addresses as the anonymous > pages. However I am convinced that some sort of mirroring with ZEO would > speed up the access for conference attendees. My point is that this site is simple enough that it should not need caching. We're not talking about thousands of logged-in users and gigabytes of content... Probably a good idea to find out whether it's memory shortage or processor hogging that's causing the delay. In either case, find out what's taking up so much resource ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From stefano at pragma2000.com Tue Feb 8 16:12:51 2005 From: stefano at pragma2000.com (Stefano Masini) Date: Tue Feb 8 16:14:55 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Banners and Google In-Reply-To: <420735EC.6090302@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> <420735EC.6090302@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4208D6F3.9010106@pragma2000.com> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > Stefano Masini wrote: > >> Wouldn't it be usefull to have a "Links" section, where all the >> banners of all the sponsors are shown? >> >> This way we would give Google a better chance to correctly index the >> europython website, I think. I'm not sure whether server-side rotating >> banners present a fair view to Google. It probably is limited to the >> banner that is shown when the spidering happens. [...] > Would it make sense for Google to index image ads throughout the site > instead of having all of them gathered on a same page? The top banner is > rotating indeed, but there is also a space reserved under "Sponsors:" > (left-column -bottom) for local banners, that are not rotating and that > are different depending on the page that visitors are looking at. > > So you can have Sponsor1 in "Tracks", Sponsor2 and Sponsor3 in "Events", > Sponsor4 in "Events keynotes", etc.... These are just portlets located > in different folders and at any place you can choose to override those > located "above" in the site structure. There can be 1 or 10 ads per page > or whatever. > > It is also possible to gather all image ads on a same page but their > visibility will be higher if they are spread across the entire site I > guess.. Also it makes it possible to associate ads to a context. Hello Jean-Marc, unfortunately Google does not work this way. It is true that the spider takes into consideration all the pages of the web site, but then each one gets ranked differently. For example, the home page of Europython 2004 is ranked 8/10 (which is a remarkable ranking, I should point out), but the "Attending" section is 7/10 and the talkMatrix, weird enough, is not even ranked. Therefore, if we want to give proper credit to the sponsors, they should all be listed in the home page, so that their websites are linked from a rank 8 web *page* (not site). Google seems to like this kind of links very much. I propose to leave the site the way it is, and simply adding a portlet in the homepage. Something like this: Sponsors: www.foo.com, bla bla www.bar.com, how nice www.my.com, this web site www.web.com, is so nice www.site.com, you see ... Maybe even as the very last of the portlets. It doesn not have to be for humans, but for robots. It only needs to present a list of links, together with a 2 or 3 words payoff. I think this is important for effective sponsoring. After all, search engine ranking is what matters in marketing nowadays. Let me know what you guys think/know about it. ciao, stefano From lac at strakt.com Wed Feb 9 15:40:46 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed Feb 9 15:40:50 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] I want to make track overview clickable Message-ID: <200502091440.j19EekM5014157@theraft.strakt.com> I want to make all of these things: * Business * Education * Lightning talks * Python Frameworks * Python Language * Refereed papers * Science * Social skills/General topics * Tutorials/Neopythes * Zope Lightning talks * Zope/Plone Link to their own section in 'Propose a talk'. How do I do that? If somebody could do that for just one of them, then I could do it for the rest. Thanks very much, Laura Creighton From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 9 16:44:16 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Feb 9 16:52:38 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] I want to make track overview clickable In-Reply-To: <200502091440.j19EekM5014157@theraft.strakt.com> References: <200502091440.j19EekM5014157@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <420A2FD0.5020504@ita.chalmers.se> Laura Creighton wrote: >I want to make all of these things: > * Business > * Education > * Lightning talks > * Python Frameworks > * Python Language > * Refereed papers > * Science > * Social skills/General topics > * Tutorials/Neopythes > * Zope Lightning talks > * Zope/Plone > >Link to their own section in 'Propose a talk'. > >How do I do that? If somebody could do that for just one of them, then I could >do it for the rest. > >Thanks very much, >Laura Creighton > > Hi, look at the example, I've added a list at the top.
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    regards /JM From lac at strakt.com Wed Feb 9 17:20:50 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed Feb 9 17:20:55 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] I want to make track overview clickable In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet of "Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:44:16 +0100." <420A2FD0.5020504@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502091440.j19EekM5014157@theraft.strakt.com> <420A2FD0.5020504@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502091620.j19GKo25029586@theraft.strakt.com> Thanks very much. Laura In a message of Wed, 09 Feb 2005 16:44:16 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: >Laura Creighton wrote: > >>I want to make all of these things: >> * Business >> * Education >> * Lightning talks >> * Python Frameworks >> * Python Language >> * Refereed papers >> * Science >> * Social skills/General topics >> * Tutorials/Neopythes >> * Zope Lightning talks >> * Zope/Plone >> >>Link to their own section in 'Propose a talk'. >> >>How do I do that? If somebody could do that for just one of them, then >I could >>do it for the rest. >> >>Thanks very much, >>Laura Creighton >> >> > >Hi, look at the example, I've added a list at the top. > >
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    > > >regards >/JM From lac at strakt.com Wed Feb 9 22:47:48 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed Feb 9 22:47:50 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? Message-ID: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> I would like the pulldown for 'Sprints and Wikis' to go directly to the Wiki. If you look at 'Propose a Sprint' you will see the problem -- I don't want to go to http://europython-develop.zope.nl/sections/sprints_and_wiki/propose_a_sprint but to http://www.python.org/moin/EuroPython2005 direct. How do I do that? Thanks very much, Laura From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 9 23:10:48 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Feb 9 23:23:07 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> Laura Creighton wrote: >I would like the pulldown for 'Sprints and Wikis' to go directly to the Wiki. >If you look at >'Propose a Sprint' you will see the problem -- I don't want to go to >http://europython-develop.zope.nl/sections/sprints_and_wiki/propose_a_sprint >but to http://www.python.org/moin/EuroPython2005 direct. > >How do I do that? > >Thanks very much, >Laura > > Hi Laura, the pulldown shown the site structure, i.e. a tree structure. Since the wiki lies outside the tree structure it does not appear as a link but it is possible to set an inline javascript redirection on the page to get redirected to the wiki. as for instance: I have set the timeout to 2seconds (2000) to test it - but I can be reduced to one second or half a second. Press 'Esc' to stop the countdown.... PS: now that the main site structure which is there, you can start publishing documents into it Documents, like events, news, etc appear on the front page as opposed to the site structure folders which are static. regards /JM From lac at strakt.com Wed Feb 9 23:33:31 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed Feb 9 23:33:36 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet of "Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:10:48 +0100." <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> Ah, this works, but now showing the document portlet also makes it redirect to that page, which means I cannot edit it ... Is this a framework bug? Laura In a message of Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:10:48 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: >Laura Creighton wrote: > >>I would like the pulldown for 'Sprints and Wikis' to go directly to the >Wiki. >>If you look at >>'Propose a Sprint' you will see the problem -- I don't want to go to >>http://europython-develop.zope.nl/sections/sprints_and_wiki/propose_a_sp >rint >>but to http://www.python.org/moin/EuroPython2005 direct. >> >>How do I do that? >> >>Thanks very much, >>Laura >> >> > >Hi Laura, > >the pulldown shown the site structure, i.e. a tree structure. Since the >wiki lies outside the tree structure it does not appear as a link but it >is possible to set an inline javascript redirection on the page to get >redirected to the wiki. > >as for instance: > > > >I have set the timeout to 2seconds (2000) to test it - but I can be >reduced to one second or half a second. Press 'Esc' to stop the >countdown.... > >PS: now that the main site structure which is there, you can start >publishing documents into it >Documents, like events, news, etc appear on the front page as opposed to >the site structure folders which are static. > >regards > >/JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 9 23:35:32 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Wed Feb 9 23:48:06 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> Laura Creighton wrote: >Ah, this works, but now showing the document portlet also makes it redirect to >that page, which means I cannot edit it ... Is this a framework bug? > >Laura > > > I have removed it, so it should work now.. Just click on 'edit' and change the timeout to '10' for instance... in: setTimeout("redirect_to_wiki()", 2000); maybe we should open a new window instead since the back button from python.org won't work. /JM From lac at strakt.com Wed Feb 9 23:52:57 2005 From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton) Date: Wed Feb 9 23:53:00 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet of "Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:35:32 +0100." <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> I don't want to make any pages that I cannot edit. I cannot trust me to get it right the first time, since I have no idea what I want until I try things a bit. Is what i want impossible? Laura (who also doesn't know the javascript for 'open this on a new page' and why that is any different from the command you already sent me). In a message of Wed, 09 Feb 2005 23:35:32 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: >Laura Creighton wrote: > >>Ah, this works, but now showing the document portlet also makes it redir >ect to >>that page, which means I cannot edit it ... Is this a framework bug? >> >>Laura >> >> >> >I have removed it, so it should work now.. Just click on 'edit' and >change the timeout to '10' for instance... > >in: > >setTimeout("redirect_to_wiki()", 2000); > >maybe we should open a new window instead since the back button from >python.org won't work. > >/JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Wed Feb 9 23:48:23 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 10 00:01:06 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> Message-ID: <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> Laura Creighton wrote: >I don't want to make any pages that I cannot edit. I cannot trust me to get >it right the first time, since I have no idea what I want until I try things >a bit. Is what i want impossible? > > > as I said earlier the pulldown menu shows documents *inside* the site. The Wiki page lies outside the site. So either put a link and trust the ability of users to click on the link. Or use some javascript to do the redirection. If you'd create a document that links directly to the wiki you wouldn't be able to edit it anyway since clicking on it would take you to the wiki ... >Laura (who also doesn't know the javascript for 'open this on a new page' and why >that is any different from the command you already sent me). > > > this one opens a new window: From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 10 00:59:32 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 10 01:00:41 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Banners and Google In-Reply-To: <4208D6F3.9010106@pragma2000.com> References: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> <420735EC.6090302@ita.chalmers.se> <4208D6F3.9010106@pragma2000.com> Message-ID: <420AA3E4.9030702@ita.chalmers.se> Stefano Masini wrote: > > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> Stefano Masini wrote: >> >>> Wouldn't it be usefull to have a "Links" section, where all the >>> banners of all the sponsors are shown? >>> >>> This way we would give Google a better chance to correctly index the >>> europython website, I think. I'm not sure whether server-side >>> rotating banners present a fair view to Google. It probably is >>> limited to the banner that is shown when the spidering happens. >> > > [...] > >> Would it make sense for Google to index image ads throughout the site >> instead of having all of them gathered on a same page? The top banner >> is rotating indeed, but there is also a space reserved under >> "Sponsors:" (left-column -bottom) for local banners, that are not >> rotating and that are different depending on the page that visitors >> are looking at. >> >> So you can have Sponsor1 in "Tracks", Sponsor2 and Sponsor3 in >> "Events", Sponsor4 in "Events keynotes", etc.... These are just >> portlets located in different folders and at any place you can choose >> to override those located "above" in the site structure. There can be >> 1 or 10 ads per page or whatever. >> >> It is also possible to gather all image ads on a same page but their >> visibility will be higher if they are spread across the entire site I >> guess.. Also it makes it possible to associate ads to a context. > > > Hello Jean-Marc, > > unfortunately Google does not work this way. It is true that the > spider takes into consideration all the pages of the web site, but > then each one gets ranked differently. For example, the home page of > Europython 2004 is ranked 8/10 (which is a remarkable ranking, I > should point out), but the "Attending" section is 7/10 and the > talkMatrix, weird enough, is not even ranked. > > Therefore, if we want to give proper credit to the sponsors, they > should all be listed in the home page, so that their websites are > linked from a rank 8 web *page* (not site). Google seems to like this > kind of links very much. > > I propose to leave the site the way it is, and simply adding a portlet > in the homepage. Something like this: > > Sponsors: > www.foo.com, bla bla > www.bar.com, how nice > www.my.com, this web site > www.web.com, is so nice > www.site.com, you see > ... > > Maybe even as the very last of the portlets. It doesn not have to be > for humans, but for robots. It only needs to present a list of links, > together with a 2 or 3 words payoff. > > I think this is important for effective sponsoring. After all, search > engine ranking is what matters in marketing nowadays. > > Let me know what you guys think/know about it. > > ciao, > stefano > Hi! it is possible to add the links on the front-page and hide them with some CSS markup which won't make any difference for robots. But when it comes to humans, having links at the bottom of a page all gathered in a same area is not as good an idea as for robots. I think that I totally ignored the links on EP 2004 because I had no reason to scroll down the page. Had the image ads been shown individually at different places on the site I probably would have noticed them. So I can agree that linking from a 8/10 ranking page is important -- it means more incoming traffic -- at least if the visitors actually see the links. Then maybe a page that does not get ranked at google will generate a lot of traffic inside the site, so it is a matter of balance. Where can you see the rank of a page/site on Google? /JM From stefano at pragma2000.com Thu Feb 10 09:04:06 2005 From: stefano at pragma2000.com (Stefano Masini) Date: Thu Feb 10 09:06:11 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Banners and Google In-Reply-To: <420AA3E4.9030702@ita.chalmers.se> References: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> <420735EC.6090302@ita.chalmers.se> <4208D6F3.9010106@pragma2000.com> <420AA3E4.9030702@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <420B1576.4010404@pragma2000.com> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > it is possible to add the links on the front-page and hide them with > some CSS markup which won't make any difference for robots. Yes, that is surely a good idea. It looks like a good solution. Let's just make sure that the html contains both the links and the payoffs, so that the robots will be able to index properly. Something like: > But when it comes to humans, having links at the bottom of a page all > gathered in a same area is not as good an idea as for robots. I think > that I totally ignored the links on EP 2004 because I had no reason to > scroll down the page. Had the image ads been shown individually at > different places on the site I probably would have noticed them. I agree. The look of EP 2005 website is *a lot* better. > So I can agree that linking from a 8/10 ranking page is important -- it > means more incoming traffic -- at least if the visitors actually see the > links. Then maybe a page that does not get ranked at google will > generate a lot of traffic inside the site, so it is a matter of balance. Having a link to website B from a highly ranked website A is a good thing not only because all the many visitors of A will see the link to B, but mainly because Google will decide that B is important too. It's the way Google works. If a highly ranked web page links to another page, then the ranking of the linked page will increase. And being highly ranked is good because when you search something on Google, the highest ranked pages are shown earlier. That's why when you search "python europe" you get europython.org as the first result: because it's an impressive rank 8/10 (associated of course with the keywords "python" and "europe"). If it was a 4/10 it would have probably been on the second page... > Where can you see the rank of a page/site on Google? There are browser plugins that query google for ranking and show it to you. The protocol is not documented, and Google itself distributes a plugin for Internet Explorer. But some folks reverse engineered the protocol and wrote a plugin for Firefox. Internet Explorer: Google Toolbar, http://toolbar.google.com/ Mozilla Firefox Extension: Search Status v1.2 https://addons.update.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&numpg=10&id=321 From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Feb 10 10:06:37 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu Feb 10 10:07:07 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > as I said earlier the pulldown menu shows documents *inside* the site. > The Wiki page lies outside the site. So either put a link and trust the > ability of users to click on the link. Or use some javascript to do the > redirection. Can you not rustle up a "link" content object which, when you go to it directly (ie: /folder/mylink) returns a response.redirect to the value of the object's 'link' field? When you go to mylink/link_view you get a normal view of the content object, likewise with edit? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 10 10:18:15 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 10 10:21:00 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> as I said earlier the pulldown menu shows documents *inside* the >> site. The Wiki page lies outside the site. So either put a link and >> trust the ability of users to click on the link. Or use some >> javascript to do the redirection. > > > Can you not rustle up a "link" content object which, when you go to it > directly (ie: /folder/mylink) returns a response.redirect to the value > of the object's 'link' field? > > When you go to mylink/link_view you get a normal view of the content > object, likewise with edit? > > cheers, > > Chris Yes, indeed, it's easy but the thing is that the link widget is used on other pages, so I'd have to create a new type of widget just f?r that... But anyway, since the document portlet that showed rendered pages has been removed from the editing pages, the code can now be edited without the earlier redirection problem.. So the problem is solved already: - put the javascript code (redirection / open a new page) in the edit field of the "Propose a track" folder. - save the changes * to modify the inline script: - go to the folder - edit the folder - modify the javascript code - save the changes. the only problem with the redirection is that the 'back' button won't work once one has left the site, but it should be easy to fix. So the question is : redirection or new window? Otherwise I don't understand why Laura says that it's impossible? is the problem the javascript code itself or the annoying redirection issue? because for visitors it looks very much possible :-). regards /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Thu Feb 10 11:17:46 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Thu Feb 10 11:20:44 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Banners and Google In-Reply-To: <420B1576.4010404@pragma2000.com> References: <42073446.9030401@pragma2000.com> <420735EC.6090302@ita.chalmers.se> <4208D6F3.9010106@pragma2000.com> <420AA3E4.9030702@ita.chalmers.se> <420B1576.4010404@pragma2000.com> Message-ID: <420B34CA.4080303@ita.chalmers.se> Stefano Masini wrote: > > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> it is possible to add the links on the front-page and hide them with >> some CSS markup which won't make any difference for robots. > > > Yes, that is surely a good idea. It looks like a good solution. > Let's just make sure that the html contains both the links and the > payoffs, so that the robots will be able to index properly. > Something like: > > > Hi, thanks for the info I've reorganized the scripts a bit. I've put all sponsors in a list (custom_get_sponsors.py set in Zope's ram cache) and there is also an invisible portlet on the front page under "contact information" that shows the content of http://europython-develop.zope.nl/custom_list_sponsors (do a "View source" for instance) /JM -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: custom_get_sponsors.py Type: text/x-python Size: 498 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/attachments/20050210/3bc3930e/custom_get_sponsors.py -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: Message from Jean-Marc Orliaguet of "Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:18:15 +0100." <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <200502101400.j1AE091J031626@theraft.strakt.com> In a message of Thu, 10 Feb 2005 10:18:15 +0100, Jean-Marc Orliaguet writes: > >But anyway, since the document portlet that showed rendered pages has >been removed from the editing pages, the code can now be edited without >the earlier redirection problem.. That was the problem that I had, when the rendered page was shown, I got the redirect, which meant that I couldn't edit the page to make the redirect go someplace else. Thanks very much, Laura From chris at simplistix.co.uk Fri Feb 11 09:09:33 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Fri Feb 11 09:09:37 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <420C683D.40702@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > the only problem with the redirection is that the 'back' button won't > work once one has left the site, but it should be easy to fix. So the > question is : redirection or new window? *shrugs* I'm just allergic to meta-refresh redirect javascript nonesense ;-) Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Fri Feb 11 09:38:54 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Fri Feb 11 09:48:46 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <420C683D.40702@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> <420C683D.40702@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <420C6F1E.1010204@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> the only problem with the redirection is that the 'back' button won't >> work once one has left the site, but it should be easy to fix. So >> the question is : redirection or new window? > > > *shrugs* > > I'm just allergic to meta-refresh redirect javascript nonesense ;-) > > Chris > The whole thing is about fixing a UI weirdness. A navigation menu is not designed in the first place to redirect the user to another site without warning - it makes the interaction with the site unpredictable - so I believe that it is a good thing that the current menu doesn't allow those kinds of links. For that functionality you should use a box marked as "External links"... or integrate the wiki inside the site. /JM From chris at simplistix.co.uk Mon Feb 14 11:49:02 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Mon Feb 14 11:49:32 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <420C6F1E.1010204@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> <420C683D.40702@simplistix.co.uk> <420C6F1E.1010204@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <4210821E.6010605@simplistix.co.uk> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > The whole thing is about fixing a UI weirdness. A navigation menu is not > designed in the first place to redirect the user to another site without > warning - it makes the interaction with the site unpredictable - so I > believe that it is a good thing that the current menu doesn't allow > those kinds of links. For that functionality you should use a box marked > as "External links"... or integrate the wiki inside the site. *shrugs* I can empathise with this point of view but I don't agree with it. A navigation menu is for navigating. If some of the resources are not at the current domain name, then they need an "external link". Can it be that hard to do something like: tal:attributes="href python:test(getattr(item,'external',none),item.url,item.absolute_url())" Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 14 13:26:22 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 14 13:27:11 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How do you make links go from the pulldown menus directly off the site? In-Reply-To: <4210821E.6010605@simplistix.co.uk> References: <200502092147.j19LlmW3008832@theraft.strakt.com> <420A8A68.2070201@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092233.j19MXVlc015005@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9034.8000508@ita.chalmers.se> <200502092252.j19MqvIo017456@theraft.strakt.com> <420A9337.6060604@ita.chalmers.se> <420B241D.9040601@simplistix.co.uk> <420B26D7.9030202@ita.chalmers.se> <420C683D.40702@simplistix.co.uk> <420C6F1E.1010204@ita.chalmers.se> <4210821E.6010605@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <421098EE.1020206@ita.chalmers.se> Chris Withers wrote: > Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > >> The whole thing is about fixing a UI weirdness. A navigation menu is >> not designed in the first place to redirect the user to another site >> without warning - it makes the interaction with the site >> unpredictable - so I believe that it is a good thing that the current >> menu doesn't allow those kinds of links. For that functionality you >> should use a box marked as "External links"... or integrate the wiki >> inside the site. > > > *shrugs* I can empathise with this point of view but I don't agree > with it. > > A navigation menu is for navigating. If some of the resources are not > at the current domain name, then they need an "external link". Can it > be that hard to do something like: > > tal:attributes="href > python:test(getattr(item,'external',none),item.url,item.absolute_url())" > > Chris > Hi Chris, this is not very effective in terms of performance. test(condition, A, B) evaluates all three values no matter the result of the test, i.e. - getattr(item,'external',none) - item.url - item.absolute_url() so even if 'getattr(item,'external',none)' is false, item.url will be evaluate which will cause an AttributeError exception. then getattr(item, 'external', none) is not acquisition-safe so there is a risk that you will get an attribute of the container object. the current implementation instead fetches the menu items directly from the tree cache without getting to the items themselves, which is much more efficient. the url rewrite should be placed in the Apache configuration instead. /JM From dulce_hdkwe8 at yahoo.com.br Wed Feb 16 05:44:35 2005 From: dulce_hdkwe8 at yahoo.com.br (dulce) Date: Wed Feb 16 04:49:36 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Listas de e-mails: http://www.gueb.de/segmails Message-ID: Listas de e-mails selecionadas: Visite agora: http://www.gueb.de/segmails Cadastros de e-mails para mala direta, divulga˙FFFFE7˙FFFFE3o de sites, listas de e-mails,mailing list,listagem,cadastros,listas de e-mail,marketing direto,mmv,publicidade,divulga˙FFFFE7˙FFFFE3o,mp3,e-mails segmentados,home page,bulk mail,playboy,propaganda,maladireta,maling list,sexo bulk mail,mailing list,e-maling,listas,cadastros,email,emaiu,emeiu,emaiu,emaius E-mails para Mala Direta/Marketing Direto gen˙FFFFE9ricos ou segmentados por ramo de atividade,sexo,idade,cidade,estado Visite agora: http://www.gueb.de/segmails From KWF6 at ITS-5 Wed Feb 16 10:46:40 2005 From: KWF6 at ITS-5 (KWF6@ITS-5) Date: Wed Feb 16 16:02:13 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] KWF delivery failure notification Message-ID: KWF was unable to deliver message. Remote server's reply: 550 This message contains a virus or other harmful content (Worm.SomeFool.P) Message headers follow: From: europython@python.org To: elen@suhminvod.ru Subject: Re: Order Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 10:44:51 +0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016----=_NextPart_000_0016" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal From CathleenB at concord.etransmail4.com Wed Feb 16 19:36:57 2005 From: CathleenB at concord.etransmail4.com (Cathleen Baer) Date: Wed Feb 16 17:18:35 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How new Check 21 legislation is affecting you... Message-ID: <26498578.1108570681756.JavaMail.customerService@etransmail4.com> Good Afternoon! Recenty intrdocuced legislation requires business and home users to print personal and business checks with security blank check stock and magnetic ink. Please find qualified suppliers at Google by clicking on the followingl link. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en&q=blank+check+paper%2C+magnetic+ink+for+inkjets Thank you very much. Cathleen Baer Marketing & Relationship Representative Globalzon Consulting Group From tau_bernstorff_lehmann at post.tele.dk Thu Feb 17 00:40:18 2005 From: tau_bernstorff_lehmann at post.tele.dk (tau_bernstorff_lehmann@post.tele.dk) Date: Thu Feb 17 00:40:20 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2005 dates is week 23 or 27/6 - 1/7? Message-ID: <20050216234018.12F6C47FE1C@pfepa.post.tele.dk> The dates on Europyton.org is incoherent. I am hoping for week 23 (6/6 - 10/6) instead of week 26 (27/6 - 1/7). Could you please corect the error (and maybe send a reply with the correct dates) Thank You and hope to see you in june Anders Lehmann From huima at iki.fi Wed Feb 23 10:01:19 2005 From: huima at iki.fi (Heimo Laukkanen) Date: Wed Feb 23 10:02:15 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks Message-ID: Hi ya all, I just had a talk with Paul Everitt about the call for papers and making sure that the quality of the presentations will be high. We would like to do following on the Zope-track and ask comments/thoughts from others. Marketing: - start spreading the word about dates as soon as possible - contact some individuals and companies personally to get their commitment on participation and possible talks - publish some ideas about schedule structure: - ie. talks on 3 CMS:ses ( Plone, Silva, CPS ) - some off scheduletime activity and networking - get as fixed schedule / talklist out as soon as possible Talk acceptance: - have a fixed quite early due time for proposed talks ( end of April? ) - require the actual presentation to be submitted ( we've been very flexible with this previously ) - revise and improve presentations with authors when/if needed This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour before the presentation. However the presenters have the possibility to evolve and develope the talks before the conference, as long as they have a good talk and structure ready by the deadlines. Any comments? -- -huima From CathleenB at concord.etransmail4.com Wed Feb 23 22:59:06 2005 From: CathleenB at concord.etransmail4.com (Cathleen Baer) Date: Wed Feb 23 22:59:38 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] How new Check 21 legislation is affecting you... Message-ID: <6316772.1109195946572.JavaMail.customerService@etransmail4.com> Good Afternoon! Recenty intrdocuced legislation requires business and home users to print personal and business checks with security blank check stock and magnetic ink. Please find qualified suppliers at Google by clicking on the followingl link. http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLC,GGLC:1969-53,GGLC:en&q=blank+check+paper%2C+magnetic+ink+for+inkjets Thank you very much. Cathleen Baer Marketing & Relationship Representative Globalzon Consulting Group From chris at simplistix.co.uk Thu Feb 24 10:53:14 2005 From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers) Date: Thu Feb 24 10:53:31 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> Heimo Laukkanen wrote: > Talk acceptance: > - require the actual presentation to be submitted ( we've been very > flexible with this previously ) Why is this a requirement? > This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on > what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour > before the presentation. This doesn't feel too valid to me. I didn't experience this with any of the presentations given last year, do other people feel that this was a problem? I have 2 issues with it: 1. Often the most appropriate time to write talks is the 8-10 hrs it takes to commute to the conference. 2. Events often overtake things that are written months before. We work in a particularly dynamic environment, requiring a presentation to be set in stone months before the conference seems like putting an artificial block on how relevent a presentation is... Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 11:18:36 2005 From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa) Date: Thu Feb 24 11:18:40 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks In-Reply-To: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> References: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <7be3f35d05022402181ff9e50f@mail.gmail.com> Let me second Chris, > > This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on > > what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour > > before the presentation. > > This doesn't feel too valid to me. I didn't experience this with any of > the presentations given last year, do other people feel that this was a > problem? Just to give some date: I did two presentations on Europython 2004. "Quixote. Pythonic. Web" and "Selling Pyhtoneers" "Selling Pyhtoneers" was more than 2 hours; the slides were created on the two evenings before. At least 30% of "Selling Pythoneers" was created on the fly in response to the participants. I remember that physically small and mentally more than great Zope guy, he did a presentation with well prepared slides which he did not really use - his presentation was exceptionally joyfull because he presented with the people and not for the sake of slides. Jesus did not have Powerpoint(TM) at all, and still people are talking about his preaching on the mountains. Mark Shuttleworth had some funny and some impressive slides; the earth from above and him in cosmonautic gear was great - BUT: I am more than sure if he did the same presentation without beamer at a fireplace, the reduction in joy would be no more than .3% I for myself would rather forbid people to use slides than force them to deploy them early. We use a language without static typing; why should we force people to use static presentations? (shameless plug: I offer consulting for presentation techniques, better call it "presentation mindset") Harald -- GHUM Harald Massa - holistic presentation methods -. Harald Armin Massa Reinsburgstra?e 202b 70197 Stuttgart 0173/9409607 From johan at lavasystems.se Sat Feb 26 06:14:52 2005 From: johan at lavasystems.se (Johan Nilsson) Date: Sat Feb 26 06:14:59 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Speaker in Stockholm, late April Message-ID: <422005CC.80107@lavasystems.se> Hello, I am writing on behalf of EurOpen.SE. We will arrange a Swedish version of the Danish Linux Forum conferance together with SNUS (Swedish Network Users' Society). It will be held on a Saturday and Sunday in late April in Stockholm, Sweden. The conferance will run in two tracks with mixed subjects. The registration fee will be in parity with the Danish Linux Forum, 20-30 EUR. We are looking for a Swedish speaker for a 45-60min session about Python. Can you recommend speakers for this? Any help would be much appreciated. Regards Johan Nilsson -- -- ---------------------------------------------------- Johan Nilsson Email: johan@lavasystems.se Lava Systems AB Phone: +46 8 448 10 74 Pl?jarv?gen 62 Mobile: +46 708 17 31 76 SE-137 40 V?sterhaninge M. Fax: +46 708 17 41 76 ---------------------------------------------------- From paul at zope-europe.org Sun Feb 27 12:31:39 2005 From: paul at zope-europe.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:31:45 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks In-Reply-To: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> References: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: On Feb 24, 2005, at 9:53 AM, Chris Withers wrote: > Heimo Laukkanen wrote: >> Talk acceptance: >> - require the actual presentation to be submitted ( we've been very >> flexible with this previously ) > > Why is this a requirement? During the Plone Con in Vienna, I noticed lots of people sitting outside. I asked a few what were the reasons. The main one was, they liked to socialize. :^) However, some folks also seemed disappointed with the quality of some presentations. I'm interested in ways to address. One choice is, as we've suggested, ask people to prepare in advance. Benefits: people don't throw something together at the last minute, we attract people that are naturally more prepared, and we have time to interact via a review process. This is pretty well understood, for anyone that has done a refereed paper. Downsides: as Harald noted, we might scare off people that are good presenters, presentation material isn't nearly as important as the speaker (they should be minimal, in fact), and it increases the work on Paul/Heimo. If anybody has some better suggestions on how we can improve the presentation quality, let us know. Equally, if people feel that improving the quality isn't a needed goal, speak up on that too. > > This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on > > what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour > > before the presentation. > > This doesn't feel too valid to me. I didn't experience this with any > of the presentations given last year, do other people feel that this > was a problem? > > I have 2 issues with it: > > 1. Often the most appropriate time to write talks is the 8-10 hrs it > takes to commute to the conference. We plan to reserve huge chunks of time, perhaps each afternoon after the break, for lightning talks. Personally, I think it is unfair to the 90 people in the audience that paid good money to travel, to suffer through someone that waited 8-10 hours in advance to work on their presentation. In some cases, the speaker can pull it off. In many cases, the presentation could have used some refinement and practice. Thus, give some arguments from the point of view of the 80, not the 1. How can we make this better for the audience? > 2. Events often overtake things that are written months before. We > work in a particularly dynamic environment, requiring a presentation > to be set in stone months before the conference seems like putting an > artificial block on how relevent a presentation is... We *have* to choose the presentations in advance. We can't wait until the last moment to choose presentations. Last year, we were asked to move up the deadline so chosen speakers could book tickets at a lower fare. In some cases, the speakers have to get their organizations to book the tickets and that takes a while. Quite obviously, we can't make an informed choice on a presentation with a title and 50 word description, unless we know the person. That becomes unfair to the new people who haven't presented. --Paul From paul at zope-europe.org Sun Feb 27 12:35:46 2005 From: paul at zope-europe.org (Paul Everitt) Date: Sun Feb 27 12:35:43 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d05022402181ff9e50f@mail.gmail.com> References: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> <7be3f35d05022402181ff9e50f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7a4b52c5c647d07d77ce0cf28448cbb7@zope-europe.org> I totally agree with you, that presentation material is overrated and should be subservient to the presenter. And yes, this fact is mostly missed by terrified speakers that recite their bulleted lists to the audience. :^) Still, we need *some* kind of metric on which to base talk selection. Your recipe below works when the speaker is good. Not all speakers are good. We could ask people, in their talk proposals, to indicate whether or not they are good speakers, but I don't think that will help. :^) Again, should we try to improve the quality? If there isn't a strong opinion that this needs attention, Heimo and I will drop it. If it is worth looking into, though, how can we achieve it? --Paul On Feb 24, 2005, at 10:18 AM, Harald Armin Massa wrote: > Let me second Chris, > >>> This is just to make sure that people don't feel too comfortable on >>> what they already know and try to scrap up the presentations an hour >>> before the presentation. >> >> This doesn't feel too valid to me. I didn't experience this with any >> of >> the presentations given last year, do other people feel that this was >> a >> problem? > > Just to give some date: I did two presentations on Europython 2004. > "Quixote. Pythonic. Web" and "Selling Pyhtoneers" > > "Selling Pyhtoneers" was more than 2 hours; the slides were created on > the two evenings before. At least 30% of "Selling Pythoneers" was > created on the fly in response to the participants. > > I remember that physically small and mentally more than great Zope > guy, he did a presentation with well prepared slides which he did not > really use - his presentation was exceptionally joyfull because he > presented with the people and not for the sake of slides. > > Jesus did not have Powerpoint(TM) at all, and still people are talking > about his preaching on the mountains. > > Mark Shuttleworth had some funny and some impressive slides; the earth > from above and him in cosmonautic gear was great - BUT: I am more than > sure if he did the same presentation without beamer at a fireplace, > the reduction in joy would be no more than .3% > > I for myself would rather forbid people to use slides than force them > to deploy them early. We use a language without static typing; why > should we force people to use static presentations? > > (shameless plug: I offer consulting for presentation techniques, > better call it "presentation mindset") > > Harald > > > > -- > GHUM Harald Massa > - holistic presentation methods -. > Harald Armin Massa > Reinsburgstra?e 202b > 70197 Stuttgart > 0173/9409607 From nico at logilab.fr Sun Feb 27 21:25:34 2005 From: nico at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Sun Feb 27 21:25:36 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Scheduling call for papers and acceptance of talks In-Reply-To: References: <421DA40A.8060602@simplistix.co.uk> Message-ID: <20050227202534.GA28128@crater.logilab.fr> On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 11:31:39AM +0000, Paul Everitt wrote: > liked to socialize. :^) However, some folks also seemed disappointed > with the quality of some presentations. > > ask people to prepare in advance. Benefits: people don't throw > something together at the last minute, we attract people that are > naturally more prepared, and we have time to interact via a review > process. > > This is pretty well understood, for anyone that has done a refereed > paper. +1 > We plan to reserve huge chunks of time, perhaps each afternoon after > the break, for lightning talks. +1 > Personally, I think it is unfair to the 90 people in the audience that > paid good money to travel, to suffer through someone that waited 8-10 > hours in advance to work on their presentation. In some cases, the > speaker can pull it off. In many cases, the presentation could have > used some refinement and practice. > > Thus, give some arguments from the point of view of the 80, not the 1. +1 > We *have* to choose the presentations in advance. We can't wait until > the last moment to choose presentations. Last year, we were asked to > move up the deadline so chosen speakers could book tickets at a lower > fare. In some cases, the speakers have to get their organizations to > book the tickets and that takes a while. > > Quite obviously, we can't make an informed choice on a presentation > with a title and 50 word description, unless we know the person. That > becomes unfair to the new people who haven't presented. +1 If we quit dreaming about the "we're lonesome coder kings and we're also so good at presenting things that we don't need to get prepared" theme, which is IMHO a pure lie, we might get a chance to improve the quality of europython. Never wondered why scientific conferences had a review process ? Because it actually helps forcing wannabe nobel-prize winners into doing their homework *before* the conference and come with arguments that can stand 5 min under public scrutiny. Well-run confrences, at least. Being good at saying things in public does not mean you say interesting things and I would bet that people travelling to sweden have theaters with funny shows and plays closer to where they live. Let's focus on valuable well-prepared python content for talks, open up space for tons of lightning presentations and if need be open a "I can entertain you all with python jokes and poor content" track. BTW, I've been trying to get slides well ahead of time for the Science Track and the more interesting talks I had where almost always the one that got ready first (and helping authors with questions and remarks often increased quality too). -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances From dario at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 28 12:31:26 2005 From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=) Date: Mon Feb 28 12:31:57 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] EPC 2006 at CERN Update Message-ID: <4223010E.8060801@ita.chalmers.se> Hello list and Benedikt, FYI: after the discussion on the list about EPC 2006, and per Benedikts suggestion, I sent a letter to CERN, inviting them to host EPC 2006. I am happy to report that I today have received a positive reply from CERN stating that they support the organisation of EPC 2006 in CERN. Hopefully this will be as big a success as previous EPC have been and as this years' EPC is turning out to be. Sincerely, /dario -- -- ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech. "...and click? damn, I need to kill -9 Word again..." - b using macosx From rev_anna_r at yahoo.com Mon Feb 28 00:40:25 2005 From: rev_anna_r at yahoo.com (Anna Ravenscroft) Date: Mon Feb 28 15:38:33 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] RIP Jeff Raskin Message-ID: <862687f2f8251efeb0c9202bb61eae50@yahoo.com> Just thought folks might want to know: Jeff Raskin, who spoke at EuroPython last year, has died of cancer at age 61. http://www.differentdistrict.com/more.php?id=2359_0_25_0_M From jacob at strakt.com Mon Feb 28 20:02:13 2005 From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:02:15 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Things that need doing Message-ID: <200502282002.13298.jacob@strakt.com> Hi! This is a list of things that are getting rather high on the urgency agenda. I'd like to send out the announcement that we are accepting talks befiore Friday: 1. All track chairmen need to review and update their entries on the website. Some of you haven't. You know who you are. Please do it now. We are waiting for you! 2. Fix the last bug in the talks registration. I'm working on this. Should be done in a day or two. 3. Get some real sponsor banners in place instead of the fake ones. I'll try to find/make a Strakt one. I assume that getting a Chalmers one should be easy (jmo or dario?). Other sponsors will be put in as soon as they have their materials ready. 4. Publish the website. jmo. Do we know how this is done? Where does the old site go? Can we link to it? 5. Publish that we are accepting talks. Volunteers? After this urgent phase is over, we need to do some more things: - Finish the registration forms. This is my job. I'm learning how right now. - Make credit card payments work. joakimS? - Make a new design for a T-shirt Last years T-shirt picture had many colours and had to be made as a transfer. I would prefer to have a 2-colour print (or possibly 3-colour one). This way we can use a screen printing process, which produces a nicer surface (IMHO). Volunteer to talk to Vincent? - Instruct track chairmen in the use of the registration system You can use the system to do a bunch of cool things. You can use the system to track email conversations with the speakers. You can handle presentations. You can deal with speaker biographies (and track if the speakers have registered for the conference). Best regards Jacob From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 28 20:05:18 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:19:57 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Things that need doing In-Reply-To: <200502282002.13298.jacob@strakt.com> References: <200502282002.13298.jacob@strakt.com> Message-ID: <42236B6E.5040208@ita.chalmers.se> Jacob Hall?n wrote: >Hi! > > > Hi! >This is a list of things that are getting rather high on the urgency agenda. >I'd like to send out the announcement that we are accepting talks befiore >Friday: > >1. All track chairmen need to review and update their entries on the website. > >Some of you haven't. You know who you are. Please do it now. We are waiting >for you! > >2. Fix the last bug in the talks registration. > >I'm working on this. Should be done in a day or two. > >3. Get some real sponsor banners in place instead of the fake ones. > >I'll try to find/make a Strakt one. I assume that getting a Chalmers one >should be easy (jmo or dario?). Other sponsors will be put in as soon as they >have their materials ready. > > yes, that's great. the banner format by the way is the standard 468x60 pixels. - this is important. and possibly a half-skyscraper (160 x 320 Pixels) in the left column of the site (under 'sponsors') (I'll put one of these on a page so that people get an idea) file sizes should not exceed 20 Kbytes if possible what is also required is a URL, a title and a very short description of the sponsor. >4. Publish the website. > >jmo. Do we know how this is done? Where does the old site go? Can we link to >it? > > I believe that the webmasters at amaze.nl will do this, the old site should get a new name though so that we can link to it. PS: - I have switched to a tableless renderer for the layout - if there are problems with some browsers I can switch back to tables.. - There is a glitch in the navigation menu under IE in second-level pages (and not on the front-page for some reason) which I'm going to fix. - The Structured Text renderer that shows documents will be replaced by a ReStructuredText renderer since the content from the Plone site seems to have been written in ReST. cheers /JM From jmo at ita.chalmers.se Mon Feb 28 20:27:17 2005 From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet) Date: Mon Feb 28 20:42:09 2005 Subject: [EuroPython] Things that need doing In-Reply-To: <42236B6E.5040208@ita.chalmers.se> References: <200502282002.13298.jacob@strakt.com> <42236B6E.5040208@ita.chalmers.se> Message-ID: <42237095.9050107@ita.chalmers.se> Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote: > Jacob Hall?n wrote: > >> >> 3. Get some real sponsor banners in place instead of the fake ones. >> >> I'll try to find/make a Strakt one. I assume that getting a Chalmers >> one should be easy (jmo or dario?). Other sponsors will be put in as >> soon as they have their materials ready. >> >> > > .... > and possibly a half-skyscraper (160 x 320 Pixels) in the left column > of the site (under 'sponsors') > (I'll put one of these on a page so that people get an idea) > > file sizes should not exceed 20 Kbytes if possible > > what is also required is a URL, a title and a very short description > of the sponsor. > Hi, as an illustration: here is an example of a 160x320 pixel banner (simply an Image portlet with a link and a caption). http://europython-develop.zope.nl/sections/accomodation/medium_price_hotels it is shown in all subfolders, and it is possible to have it overriden with another banner from any folder below it in the site structure. /JM