From bea at changemaker.nu  Mon May  1 06:57:52 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 06:57:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynotes?
Message-ID: <44559550.3060202@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

My name is Beatrice D?ring, I am co-chairing the Agile track with Holger 
Krekel, Aiste Kesminaite and Bea Fontaine.

We have discussed in our group, together with Michael Hudson about 
keynotes. We have discussed the idea to invite Helen Sharp of the Open 
University to keynote the Agile track. She is well-known in the Agile 
community and keynotes their larger conferences.(H.C.Sharp at open.ac.uk)

She was a keynote at the ACCU  - title "Software Development -- a social 
activity with technical aspects".

So our questions are:

- have there been any decisions made regarding keynotes for the entire 
conference?
- could we have one or say one per day? Some discussions about inviting 
Alan Kay for example (again Michael...) - and then maybe also Helen Sharp?
- could a single track have a keynote - say Helen if she is not a 
keynote for the entire conference?
- do we have any system regarding reimbursments for keynotes (travels, 
accommodation???)

These questions need some rough answering before we can proceed to 
invite her - even if only for the agile track....

Cheers

Bea

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May  1 13:58:24 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 13:58:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd:  keynoters!
In-Reply-To: <4455F2BB.3030801@changemaker.nu>
References: <2mlktrfal2.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<7be3f35d0605010138r246c9eb0o9dfe3fedc9dcae0b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4455F2BB.3030801@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605010458i589a329eyad8a8217217e888d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bea,

I have no absolute facts, because I never was integrated into the billing
and payment process.

To my knowledge die reimbursement policy for keynoters is that EP is
supposed to pay their travel costs (i.e. plane tickets & hotel costs). And I
know that some keynoters did not take this money (to my knowledge Mark
Shuttleworth for example did not charge his flight).

This policy is of course for "main keynoters", as "track keynoters" are a
very new phenomenom for EuroPyhon.

I CCd the list, so if my information is incorrect, others can cry out.

Best wishes,

Harald



On 5/1/06, Beatrice During <bea at changemaker.nu> wrote:
>
> Hi there
>
> Then the main question is still wether there are reimbursements, I
> talked to Michael about this on the 28th and he still couldnt answer....
>
> Do you know anything about this?
>
> Cheers
>
> Bea
>
> Harald Armin Massa skrev:
> > Hello Bea,
> >
> > forwarding you Michaels mail from 2006-04-27:
> >
> > best wishes
> >
> > Harald
> >
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: *Michael Hudson * <mwh at python.net <mailto:mwh at python.net>>
> > Date: Apr 27, 2006 2:48 PM
> > Subject: [EuroPython] keynoters!
> > To: europython at python.org <mailto:europython at python.org>
> >
> > It gives me great pleasure to announce that the keynote speakers at
> > this year's EuroPython conference will be Guido van Rossum and Alan
> > Kay.
> >
> > If you don't know who Alan Kay is (a) for shame (b) Wikipedia has a
> > page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay> .
> >
> > If you don't know who Guido is, well, what are you doing here?  He's
> > even promised to do a different talk than "the state of the Python
> > universe" this time :)
> >
> > It would be cool if people could blog about this!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > mwh
> >
> > --
> > "Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) applies to Usenet."
> > "Nothing guarantees that the 10% isn't crap, too."
> >                 -- Gene Spafford's Axiom #2 of Usenet, and a corollary
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> > <http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > GHUM Harald Massa
> > persuadere et programmare
> > Harald Armin Massa
> > Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> > 70197 Stuttgart
> > 0173/9409607
> > -
> > PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold
>



--
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From bea at changemaker.nu  Mon May  1 22:33:20 2006
From: bea at changemaker.nu (Beatrice During)
Date: Mon, 01 May 2006 22:33:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd:  keynoters!
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605010458i589a329eyad8a8217217e888d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2mlktrfal2.fsf@starship.python.net>	
	<7be3f35d0605010138r246c9eb0o9dfe3fedc9dcae0b@mail.gmail.com>	
	<4455F2BB.3030801@changemaker.nu>
	<7be3f35d0605010458i589a329eyad8a8217217e888d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <44567090.80308@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

Ok - thanks for the answer Harald!

Cheers

Bea

Harald Armin Massa skrev:
> Hi Bea,
> 
> I have no absolute facts, because I never was integrated into the 
> billing and payment process.
> 
> To my knowledge die reimbursement policy for keynoters is that EP is 
> supposed to pay their travel costs ( i.e. plane tickets & hotel costs). 
> And I know that some keynoters did not take this money (to my knowledge 
> Mark Shuttleworth for example did not charge his flight).
> 
> This policy is of course for "main keynoters", as "track keynoters" are 
> a very new phenomenom for EuroPyhon.
> 
> I CCd the list, so if my information is incorrect, others can cry out.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Harald
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/1/06, *Beatrice During* < bea at changemaker.nu 
> <mailto:bea at changemaker.nu>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi there
> 
>     Then the main question is still wether there are reimbursements, I
>     talked to Michael about this on the 28th and he still couldnt answer....
> 
>     Do you know anything about this?
> 
>     Cheers
> 
>     Bea
> 
>     Harald Armin Massa skrev:
>      > Hello Bea,
>      >
>      > forwarding you Michaels mail from 2006-04-27:
>      >
>      > best wishes
>      >
>      > Harald
>      >
>      >
>      > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>      > From: *Michael Hudson * < mwh at python.net <mailto:mwh at python.net>
>     <mailto:mwh at python.net <mailto:mwh at python.net>>>
>      > Date: Apr 27, 2006 2:48 PM
>      > Subject: [EuroPython] keynoters!
>      > To: europython at python.org <mailto:europython at python.org>
>     <mailto:europython at python.org <mailto:europython at python.org>>
>      >
>      > It gives me great pleasure to announce that the keynote speakers at
>      > this year's EuroPython conference will be Guido van Rossum and Alan
>      > Kay.
>      >
>      > If you don't know who Alan Kay is (a) for shame (b) Wikipedia has a
>      > page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
>      > < http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay> .
>      >
>      > If you don't know who Guido is, well, what are you doing here?  He's
>      > even promised to do a different talk than "the state of the Python
>      > universe" this time :)
>      >
>      > It would be cool if people could blog about this!
>      >
>      > Cheers,
>      > mwh
>      >
>      > --
>      > "Sturgeon's Law (90% of everything is crap) applies to Usenet."
>      > "Nothing guarantees that the 10% isn't crap, too."
>      >                 -- Gene Spafford's Axiom #2 of Usenet, and a
>     corollary
>      > _______________________________________________
>      > EuroPython mailing list
>      > EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>
>     <mailto:EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>>
>      > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>      > < http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython>
>      >
>      >
>      >
>      > --
>      > GHUM Harald Massa
>      > persuadere et programmare
>      > Harald Armin Massa
>      > Reinsburgstra?e 202b
>      > 70197 Stuttgart
>      > 0173/9409607
>      > -
>      > PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> 70197 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
> -
> PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold

From bea at webwitches.com  Tue May  2 11:47:33 2006
From: bea at webwitches.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E9atrice?= Fontaine)
Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 11:47:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynotes?
In-Reply-To: <44559550.3060202@changemaker.nu>
References: <44559550.3060202@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <1146563253.6425.5.camel@c-66b1e253.014-109-626f6410.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se>

On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 06:57 +0200, Beatrice During wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> My name is Beatrice D?ring, I am co-chairing the Agile track with Holger 
> Krekel, Aiste Kesminaite and Bea Fontaine.

Hi there

I mentioned a while ago that I couldn't be involved in track
preparations this year. At this stage it has become clear that I won't
be able to participate at all. Too many other things happening at the
same time. All good, btw - but it means that I'll have to do without EPC
this year...

Best of luck!
bea

-- 
B?atrice Fontaine <bea at webwitches.com>


From mwh at python.net  Tue May  9 11:53:44 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:53:44 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] last and next meeting
In-Reply-To: <2mhd4ff9pg.fsf@starship.python.net> (Michael Hudson's message
	of "Thu, 27 Apr 2006 14:07:39 +0100")
References: <2mhd4ff9pg.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <2m3bfjfrrr.fsf@starship.python.net>

Michael Hudson <mwh at python.net> writes:

> We talked about registration issues.  There are apparently some
> political issues at CERN about this:( Joachim and Benedikt are the
> people here.  Benedikt has been unwell, but is now better (hooray!)
> and they both have some time in the next few days to work on this.
> Michael proposed a deadline of May 15 for getting registration open.

This is now six days away.  What's happening?

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Slim Shady is fed up with your shit, and he's going to kill you.
                         -- Eminem, "Public Service Announcement 2000"

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue May  9 11:59:53 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 10:59:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
Message-ID: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi All,

Not wishing to seem alarmist, but is EuroPython actually going to happen 
this year?

We're under two months away and everything seems to be very quiet :-S

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely as 
busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know if I 
should take it out of my diary?

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From mwh at python.net  Tue May  9 12:14:20 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 11:14:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk> (Chris Withers's message of
	"Tue, 09 May 2006 10:59:53 +0100")
References: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2my7xbec8z.fsf@starship.python.net>

Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:

> Hi All,
>
> Not wishing to seem alarmist, but is EuroPython actually going to happen 
> this year?

I really hope so.

> We're under two months away and everything seems to be very quiet :-S

Yes.

> Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely
> as busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know
> if I should take it out of my diary?

Not yet.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Our lecture theatre has just crashed. It will currently only
  silently display an unexplained line-drawing of a large dog
  accompanied by spookily flickering lights.
     -- Dan Sheppard, ucam.chat (from Owen Dunn's summary of the year)

From david at boddie.org.uk  Wed May 10 01:04:38 2006
From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 01:04:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
Message-ID: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>

On Tue May 9 12:14:20 CEST 2006, Michael Hudson wrote:
  
> Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:
>
> > Not wishing to seem alarmist, but is EuroPython actually going to happen
> > this year?

[...]

> > Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely
> > as busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know
> > if I should take it out of my diary?
>
> Not yet.

This offer might seem like it's a bit late coming but, if you need help in
making this happen, I'm willing to spend some time helping out, particularly
if this involves writing content or drafting documents. Even if you just
need proofreaders to sanity check content, I'd be willing to help.

Maybe the whole organisation of the event is going smoothly beneath the
surface, though it's hard to tell just from reading this list. With the
event less than two months away, it would be good to know sooner rather
than later if the organisers feel that they need assistance, even if it's
just a case of helping out with some of the more tedious tasks. :-)

David

From Audun.Ostrem.Nordal at cern.ch  Wed May 10 17:43:22 2006
From: Audun.Ostrem.Nordal at cern.ch (Audun Ostrem Nordal)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 17:43:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Access to europython.org?
Message-ID: <4C5890AC4162B84F9661BEFE14762A0A5E9D7A@cernxchg04.cern.ch>

Hello,

Benedict asked me to contribute some in the info pages on
europython.org, so I suppose I need to be granted some kind of write
access?  I understand one gets this by requesting it on this list.  My
public key is at http://audun.home.cern.ch/audun/id_dsa.pub .  I guess I
also need a crash course in editing there if someone has the time.

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,

__ 
Audun Ostrem Nordal     tel: +41.22.76.74427
CERN IT/IS
1211 Geneve 23
Switzerland

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May 10 18:29:06 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:29:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Access to europython.org?
In-Reply-To: <4C5890AC4162B84F9661BEFE14762A0A5E9D7A@cernxchg04.cern.ch>
References: <4C5890AC4162B84F9661BEFE14762A0A5E9D7A@cernxchg04.cern.ch>
Message-ID: <446214D2.4090600@ita.chalmers.se>

Audun Ostrem Nordal wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Benedict asked me to contribute some in the info pages on
> europython.org, so I suppose I need to be granted some kind of write
> access?  I understand one gets this by requesting it on this list.  My
> public key is at http://audun.home.cern.ch/audun/id_dsa.pub .  I guess I
> also need a crash course in editing there if someone has the time.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Best regards,
>
>
>   

Hi, check your mail, you ought to have received a "reset password" 
request message. You can follow the link in the mail and change your 
password under "Preferences" > Edit

documents are created under workspaces > EP 2006 and they are published 
under "sitemap" with the "submit" button.

Regards
/JM

From mal at egenix.com  Fri May 12 10:37:44 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2my7xbec8z.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk>
	<2my7xbec8z.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <44644958.3090704@egenix.com>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:
> 
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Not wishing to seem alarmist, but is EuroPython actually going to happen 
>> this year?
> 
> I really hope so.
> 
>> We're under two months away and everything seems to be very quiet :-S
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely
>> as busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know
>> if I should take it out of my diary?
> 
> Not yet.

I would like to book hotel and flight soonish, if possible.

Could you at least give a hint as to when you know whether EPC 2006
is going to happen or not ?

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
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From mwh at python.net  Fri May 12 10:40:52 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 09:40:52 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk> (David Boddie's
	message of "Wed, 10 May 2006 01:04:38 +0200")
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>

David Boddie <david at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On Tue May 9 12:14:20 CEST 2006, Michael Hudson wrote:
>   
>> Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:
>>
>> > Not wishing to seem alarmist, but is EuroPython actually going to happen
>> > this year?
>
> [...]
>
>> > Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely
>> > as busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know
>> > if I should take it out of my diary?
>>
>> Not yet.
>
> This offer might seem like it's a bit late coming but, if you need help in
> making this happen, I'm willing to spend some time helping out, particularly
> if this involves writing content or drafting documents. Even if you just
> need proofreaders to sanity check content, I'd be willing to help.

I think the website needs some editorial love.  Are you familiar with
Zope/CPS?

> Maybe the whole organisation of the event is going smoothly beneath the
> surface, though it's hard to tell just from reading this list. With the
> event less than two months away, it would be good to know sooner rather
> than later if the organisers feel that they need assistance, even if it's
> just a case of helping out with some of the more tedious tasks. :-)

The impression I get is that the most useful thing right now would be
a kick to the backside of various management types at CERN, but
there's not much we can do about that :/

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  TRSDOS: Friendly old lizard. Or, at least, content to sit there
  eating flies.            -- Jim's pedigree of operating systems, asr

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri May 12 11:03:04 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:03:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>

>> Maybe the whole organisation of the event is going smoothly  
>> beneath the
>> surface, though it's hard to tell just from reading this list.  
>> With the
>> event less than two months away, it would be good to know sooner  
>> rather
>> than later if the organisers feel that they need assistance, even  
>> if it's
>> just a case of helping out with some of the more tedious tasks. :-)
>
> The impression I get is that the most useful thing right now would be
> a kick to the backside of various management types at CERN, but
> there's not much we can do about that :/
The problem Michael mentions is related to our payment module we have  
in the software. It was some kind of political issue what the people  
here want to have stored on their server. But the registration will  
be opened soon.

The other things are more or less running smoothly. As long as we get  
enough people coming here it will be a very nice conference!

By the way - what the current status for the track chairs?

Cheers
Benedikt


From mateusz.soltysek at coig.katowice.pl  Fri May 12 11:13:30 2006
From: mateusz.soltysek at coig.katowice.pl (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Mateusz_So=B3tysek?=)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 11:13:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Question about registration page.
Message-ID: <446451BA.9070207@coig.katowice.pl>

Hi!

How can I register 3 persons for EuroPython 2006 conference if the 
registration page is disabled? There is other posibility? Where exacly 
can I fond information about costs of conference?

Regards
Mateusz Soltysek

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 12 17:08:02 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:08:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605120808s2ce88c96o656aa441f3139db0@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Benedikt,

I for one did input 3 talks of myself; and on track chair hat I contacted:

Thomas Waldmann of Moin Moin  (promissed attendance and talk, considered
sprinting)

J. Hughes of Neuberger & Hughes (Exchange for Linux, written in Python)
(promissed attendence and talk, considered sponsorship)

Thomas Arendsen Heim of Mercurial (distributed rcs in Python) (declined
attendence cause of employer, promised to look for another presenter of
Mercurial)


I froze my sales as closing was impossible, because they could not register.
I tend to persuade people to immediately register and submit; because "they
will not do it sometime", for all values of "sometime <> now()"

Really, really looking forward to EP and to registration opening!

Harald


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri May 12 18:05:37 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:05:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200605121805.37728.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 12 May 2006 10:40, Michael Hudson wrote:
>
> I think the website needs some editorial love.  Are you familiar with
> Zope/CPS?

Like Dave, I'd be willing to volunteer for various activities, although it 
really depends what you need doing as to whether I would be of any help. ;-) 
Sadly, CPS isn't something I've used before, but it can't be hard to edit 
pages, right?

> The impression I get is that the most useful thing right now would be
> a kick to the backside of various management types at CERN, but
> there's not much we can do about that :/

I'm not sure about the "right now" part: some people might assert that it's 
the most useful thing to do "at any given point in time". :-)

Paul

From mwh at python.net  Fri May 12 18:10:03 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 17:10:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605121805.37728.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Fri, 12 May 2006 18:05:37 +0200")
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200605121805.37728.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2m3bffcjhg.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On Friday 12 May 2006 10:40, Michael Hudson wrote:
>>
>> I think the website needs some editorial love.  Are you familiar with
>> Zope/CPS?
>
> Like Dave, I'd be willing to volunteer for various activities, although it 
> really depends what you need doing as to whether I would be of any help. ;-) 
> Sadly, CPS isn't something I've used before, but it can't be hard to edit 
> pages, right?

Nah, it's OK.  Something that would be really handy would be to finish
off the sponsorship page, for example.  I guess we ought to decide
what to promise the sponsors first though...

Jean-Marc, can you do the magic?

>> The impression I get is that the most useful thing right now would be
>> a kick to the backside of various management types at CERN, but
>> there's not much we can do about that :/
>
> I'm not sure about the "right now" part: some people might assert that it's 
> the most useful thing to do "at any given point in time". :-)

:)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
 "Well, the old ones go Mmmmmbbbbzzzzttteeeeeep as they start up and
  the new ones go whupwhupwhupwhooopwhooooopwhooooooommmmmmmmmm."
                         -- Graham Reed explains subway engines on asr

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 12 18:45:31 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:45:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2m3bffcjhg.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200605121805.37728.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2m3bffcjhg.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <4464BBAB.1070107@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
>
>   
>> On Friday 12 May 2006 10:40, Michael Hudson wrote:
>>     
>>> I think the website needs some editorial love.  Are you familiar with
>>> Zope/CPS?
>>>       
>> Like Dave, I'd be willing to volunteer for various activities, although it 
>> really depends what you need doing as to whether I would be of any help. ;-) 
>> Sadly, CPS isn't something I've used before, but it can't be hard to edit 
>> pages, right?
>>     
>
> Nah, it's OK.  Something that would be really handy would be to finish
> off the sponsorship page, for example.  I guess we ought to decide
> what to promise the sponsors first though...
>
> Jean-Marc, can you do the magic?
>   

Hi,
do you mean fixing the sponsoring banners or opening an account for 
Paul? both can be fixed :-)

I'm sending the login information to Paul to start with.

/JM

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 12 18:56:30 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:56:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <445BA4D8-EA8C-4D65-AED2-73297C9B5EC8@python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200605121805.37728.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2m3bffcjhg.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<4464BBAB.1070107@ita.chalmers.se>
	<445BA4D8-EA8C-4D65-AED2-73297C9B5EC8@python.net>
Message-ID: <4464BE3E.7080302@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> do you mean fixing the sponsoring banners or opening an account for 
>> Paul? both can be fixed :-)
>
> I meant the latter, but both would be great :)
>
> Though the site seems to be down right now?


I saw it. I can't ssh to it either - right now... I get a connection 
refused. maybe someone from amaze.nl knows?

/JM

From mwh at python.net  Fri May 12 19:09:43 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 18:09:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <4464BBAB.1070107@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>	<200605121805.37728.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2m3bffcjhg.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<4464BBAB.1070107@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <445BA4D8-EA8C-4D65-AED2-73297C9B5EC8@python.net>


On 12 May 2006, at 17:45, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:

> Michael Hudson wrote:
>> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
>>
>>
>>> On Friday 12 May 2006 10:40, Michael Hudson wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the website needs some editorial love.  Are you familiar  
>>>> with
>>>> Zope/CPS?
>>>>
>>> Like Dave, I'd be willing to volunteer for various activities,  
>>> although it really depends what you need doing as to whether I  
>>> would be of any help. ;-) Sadly, CPS isn't something I've used  
>>> before, but it can't be hard to edit pages, right?
>>>
>>
>> Nah, it's OK.  Something that would be really handy would be to  
>> finish
>> off the sponsorship page, for example.  I guess we ought to decide
>> what to promise the sponsors first though...
>>
>> Jean-Marc, can you do the magic?
>>
>
> Hi,
> do you mean fixing the sponsoring banners or opening an account for  
> Paul? both can be fixed :-)

I meant the latter, but both would be great :)

Though the site seems to be down right now?

> I'm sending the login information to Paul to start with.

Cool, thanks.

Cheers,
mwh

From ms at cerenity.org  Fri May 12 20:53:33 2006
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 19:53:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605121953.33713.ms@cerenity.org>

On Friday 12 May 2006 10:03, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> By the way - what the current status for the track chairs?

How can I seriously ask people to propose talks when the organisers don't seem 
to understand the following: (after you've resolved the difficult part of 
finding a venue)

   * You make it easy for people to submit talks
   * You make it easy for people to register & pay

By "organisers" here I mean the people who stood up and said "we would like to 
host/run Europython", not the people pushing you to do it. I've simply had no 
time recently to push for asking for talks, and quite frankly at the moment I 
have NO confidence that the current organisers can deliver what they offered.

Also, I remember you, Benedikt, boasting loudly that you would want proposals 
in 6 months before the conference, and the same going for registration. I had 
high hopes that CERN could do this, given your long history.

It now appears that you cannot get these 2 basic steps right.

If you have internal politics, that is destroying the opportunity for this 
years Europython, we cannot solve it. I'm not saying I could do better, I'm 
just not sure I could do worse.

The complete lack of communication from yourselves (Benedikt specifically) has 
been astonishing.

On the off chance I've missed something: is it now possible to register and 
pay for registration? After all, I note I've only got 7 days to get early 
bird registration now!!!! cf:
   http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-January/005555.html

On a more serious note, can we find an alternate venue quickly ? I have zero 
confidence that this is happening.

:-(


Michael.

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Fri May 12 23:55:36 2006
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:55:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <f89206d80605121455j30c85eb4v15e3d5ff2766bdfa@mail.gmail.com>

2006/5/12, Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch>:

> > The impression I get is that the most useful thing right now would be
> > a kick to the backside of various management types at CERN, but
> > there's not much we can do about that :/

> The problem Michael mentions is related to our payment module we have
> in the software. It was some kind of political issue what the people
> here want to have stored on their server. But the registration will
> be opened soon.

could you please be more precise and let us know what " some kind of
political issue"" means and when will "soon" be ?

> The other things are more or less running smoothly.

Please let us know what are these "other things that run smoothly" as,
as some people let know on this list, some of us begin to wonder if
the conference can really take place.

> As long as we get
> enough people coming here it will be a very nice conference!

How come the people could come if they can hardly register ... and
pay. Maybe the payment issue could be defered and we let the people
register without payment, the CERN taking the risk to host a
conference with some people not paying.

Thank you,

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Sat May 13 12:46:24 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 12:46:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80605121455j30c85eb4v15e3d5ff2766bdfa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
	<f89206d80605121455j30c85eb4v15e3d5ff2766bdfa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A6A6D10-B4A6-4D4A-B670-D15DE56DD7A7@cern.ch>

Hi all,

> 2006/5/12, Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch>:
>
>> > The impression I get is that the most useful thing right now  
>> would be
>> > a kick to the backside of various management types at CERN, but
>> > there's not much we can do about that :/
>
>> The problem Michael mentions is related to our payment module we have
>> in the software. It was some kind of political issue what the people
>> here want to have stored on their server. But the registration will
>> be opened soon.
>
> could you please be more precise and let us know what " some kind of
> political issue"" means and when will "soon" be ?
Political issue means in detail the following:
There is the indico server for all the conferences (including  
europython) where you can register. Up to now there was no payment  
module inside the registration. Since the server is used for other  
things as well, they didn't want to make quick hacks inside the code.  
Instead they started developing a full blown payment module. Since  
they couldn't give a timeline for that there was a parallel solution  
to use an interface to store the info inside the registrant database  
without changing indico itself. Based on the very good information  
given by Joachim one guy here developed the interface. The only  
problem was that now having the things in hand we weren't allowed to  
access the database for reasons I still don't understand. This is the  
political issue.
But now the official module is ready. What does "soon" mean? I am  
_right now_ sitting in my office and writing the missing europython  
specific parts.


>> The other things are more or less running smoothly.
>
> Please let us know what are these "other things that run smoothly" as,
> as some people let know on this list, some of us begin to wonder if
> the conference can really take place.
okay. This are still the same things as mentioned a long time ago.
Rooms - we have rooms with the needed equipment. But not all of them  
have video conferencing. Is is a problem? The idea is to store  
possibly interesting talks. Do we have a good possibility to store  
them somewhere at CERN?
CERN visit - we have a CERN tour for 100 people.  Open issue here -  
is it possibly to organize a second tour for more people?
Dinner - I don't have the list here what will be served but I think I  
brought it up in one of the irc meetings some months ago
Network equipment for sprints - waiting in our IT division to be  
picked up
People helping with on site tasks - already enough volunteers.
Hostel rooms - prebooked and waiting.

Open points we will address during the next two weeks:
- discussion about the registration issue and consequences.
  - we have to ask our print service about our conference poster again.
- our CERN Restaurant will be partially closed for renovation. So  
what does it mean for us? Will we all go to Restaurant II?
- will we have the possibility to get the sports field next to CERN  
during one of the sprint days?
- How many CERN gifts (T-Shirts and so) are in stock and do we have  
to ask them for have some more there?
- CERN shuttle service. Should we or should we not use it?

That about the status here at CERN. If you think there is some  
information missing - please ask. And one proposal for the people who  
are more interested in local tasks and want to help - should we make  
a videoconference on vrvs.org for you?

>
>> As long as we get
>> enough people coming here it will be a very nice conference!
>
> How come the people could come if they can hardly register ... and
> pay. Maybe the payment issue could be defered and we let the people
> register without payment, the CERN taking the risk to host a
> conference with some people not paying.
You are right. No registration - no participants. That's all the  
discussion here is about.

for questions and discussions - I propose an irc meeting Monday  
afternoon 17:00.

Cheers
Benedikt


From mwh at python.net  Sat May 13 16:13:36 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:13:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605121953.33713.ms@cerenity.org> (Michael's message of
	"Fri, 12 May 2006 19:53:33 +0100")
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
	<200605121953.33713.ms@cerenity.org>
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Michael <ms at cerenity.org> writes:

> On Friday 12 May 2006 10:03, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>> By the way - what the current status for the track chairs?
>
> How can I seriously ask people to propose talks when the organisers
> don't seem to understand the following: (after you've resolved the
> difficult part of finding a venue)
>
>    * You make it easy for people to submit talks

Well, *this* is done, and was done weeks & weeks ago.

>    * You make it easy for people to register & pay

And this is nearly done.

> By "organisers" here I mean the people who stood up and said "we
> would like to host/run Europython", not the people pushing you to do
> it. I've simply had no time recently to push for asking for talks,
> and quite frankly at the moment I have NO confidence that the
> current organisers can deliver what they offered.

We'll get there in the end, we always do...

> Also, I remember you, Benedikt, boasting loudly that you would want
> proposals in 6 months before the conference, and the same going for
> registration. I had high hopes that CERN could do this, given your
> long history.

I'm a bit gutted at how this has turned out too.  But I think such a
strong attack is unjustified and unhelpful.

> On the off chance I've missed something: is it now possible to register and 
> pay for registration? After all, I note I've only got 7 days to get early 
> bird registration now!!!! cf:
>    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-January/005555.html

Well, the other dates on that mail have slipped past as well.

> On a more serious note, can we find an alternate venue quickly ? I
> have zero confidence that this is happening.

If you think finding another venue in this timescale is even vaguely
realistic, I'd like some of what you're smoking.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  The ultimate laziness is not using Perl.  That saves you so much
  work you wouldn't believe it if you had never tried it.
                                        -- Erik Naggum, comp.lang.lisp

From mwh at python.net  Sat May 13 16:16:17 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:16:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <0A6A6D10-B4A6-4D4A-B670-D15DE56DD7A7@cern.ch> (Benedikt
	Hegner's message of "Sat, 13 May 2006 12:46:24 +0200")
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
	<f89206d80605121455j30c85eb4v15e3d5ff2766bdfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A6A6D10-B4A6-4D4A-B670-D15DE56DD7A7@cern.ch>
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Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:

> for questions and discussions - I propose an irc meeting Monday  
> afternoon 17:00.

Works for me.

Cheers,
mwh
(hmm, appropriate sig)

-- 
  faassen: anyway, if nothing else flapping your arms running around 
           will at least give an impression of activity. :)

From ms at cerenity.org  Sat May 13 16:54:56 2006
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 15:54:56 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2mu07uau7j.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<200605121953.33713.ms@cerenity.org>
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Message-ID: <200605131554.56856.ms@cerenity.org>

On Saturday 13 May 2006 15:13, Michael Hudson wrote:
> I'm a bit gutted at how this has turned out too. ?But I think such a
> strong attack is unjustified and unhelpful.

Apologies.


Michael.

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat May 13 17:37:33 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:37:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2mu07uau7j.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<200605121953.33713.ms@cerenity.org>
	<2mu07uau7j.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200605131737.33488.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Saturday 13 May 2006 16:13, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Michael <ms at cerenity.org> writes:
> >
> > By "organisers" here I mean the people who stood up and said "we
> > would like to host/run Europython", not the people pushing you to do
> > it. I've simply had no time recently to push for asking for talks,
> > and quite frankly at the moment I have NO confidence that the
> > current organisers can deliver what they offered.
>
> We'll get there in the end, we always do...

I think that while it's tempting to point the finger, things like EuroPython 
along with all its "assets" (Web site, materials from previous occasions, 
procedures, and so on) should be considered as ongoing, year-round 
activities. Imagine if the IOC left their Web site up with patchy information 
about the last Olympic games. Concepts like "current organisers" are 
misleading: there should always be more to the organisation of the event than 
just the people managing the stuff on the ground. And to bring up the IOC 
metaphor again, you don't generally have the previous hosts 'phoning up the 
next hosts saying, "We've got the torch here - when are you coming to collect 
it?"

> > Also, I remember you, Benedikt, boasting loudly that you would want
> > proposals in 6 months before the conference, and the same going for
> > registration. I had high hopes that CERN could do this, given your
> > long history.
>
> I'm a bit gutted at how this has turned out too.  But I think such a
> strong attack is unjustified and unhelpful.

Really, there should be nothing stopping the EuroPython organisation accepting 
talks for next year's conference right now. Sure, you won't have many people 
submitting talks now because it's way over everyone's horizon, but these 
issues don't change significantly on the basis of where the conference is 
held.

> > On the off chance I've missed something: is it now possible to register
> > and pay for registration? After all, I note I've only got 7 days to get
> > early bird registration now!!!! cf:
> >    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-January/005555.html
>
> Well, the other dates on that mail have slipped past as well.

Where we've fallen shortest may be in the promotion and the continuous 
reminding of people that the conference is happening: things one would 
normally brush aside as "hype" in popular culture. If people reading this 
list are in any doubt about the conference, it should be wondered what 
everyone else is thinking.

> > On a more serious note, can we find an alternate venue quickly ? I
> > have zero confidence that this is happening.
>
> If you think finding another venue in this timescale is even vaguely
> realistic, I'd like some of what you're smoking.

Having the conference in Amsterdam would satisfy both needs here, I think. ;-)

Paul

From paul at zope-europe.org  Sat May 13 17:14:15 2006
From: paul at zope-europe.org (paul at zope-europe.org)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:14:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
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References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>
	<f89206d80605121455j30c85eb4v15e3d5ff2766bdfa@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A6A6D10-B4A6-4D4A-B670-D15DE56DD7A7@cern.ch>
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On May 13, 4:16 pm Michael Hudson <mwh at python.net> wrote:
> Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>
> >  for questions and discussions - I propose an irc meeting Monday
> >  afternoon 17:00.
>
> Works for me.

Me too.

--Paul


From mwh at python.net  Sat May 13 18:00:01 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:00:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605131737.33488.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Sat, 13 May 2006 17:37:33 +0200")
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<200605121953.33713.ms@cerenity.org>
	<2mu07uau7j.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200605131737.33488.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2miro9c3um.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On Saturday 13 May 2006 16:13, Michael Hudson wrote:
>> Michael <ms at cerenity.org> writes:
>> >
>> > By "organisers" here I mean the people who stood up and said "we
>> > would like to host/run Europython", not the people pushing you to do
>> > it. I've simply had no time recently to push for asking for talks,
>> > and quite frankly at the moment I have NO confidence that the
>> > current organisers can deliver what they offered.
>>
>> We'll get there in the end, we always do...
>
> I think that while it's tempting to point the finger, things like
> EuroPython along with all its "assets" (Web site, materials from
> previous occasions, procedures, and so on) should be considered as
> ongoing, year-round activities.

In this vein it would be nice to not throw out the website this year,
for a change.  I'm reasonably happy with indico, though I'm not sure
we want to host it at CERN again.  More look and feel integration with
ep.org would be nice.

Also, I feel pretty confident that I'm am not going to be in the mood
to have anything to do with EuroPython organization for a good couple
of months after this year's event.  Are you volunteering? :)

> Imagine if the IOC left their Web site up with patchy information
> about the last Olympic games. Concepts like "current organisers" are
> misleading: there should always be more to the organisation of the
> event than just the people managing the stuff on the ground. And to
> bring up the IOC metaphor again, you don't generally have the
> previous hosts 'phoning up the next hosts saying, "We've got the
> torch here - when are you coming to collect it?"

That's hardly an accurate analogy to what has happened this year...

> Really, there should be nothing stopping the EuroPython organisation
> accepting talks for next year's conference right now. Sure, you
> won't have many people submitting talks now because it's way over
> everyone's horizon, but these issues don't change significantly on
> the basis of where the conference is held.

I think they do, a bit.  But yeah (also see comments about not
trashing the website).

> Where we've fallen shortest may be in the promotion and the continuous 
> reminding of people that the conference is happening: things one would 
> normally brush aside as "hype" in popular culture.

Well, this isn't rocket science, and also isn't entirely the fault of
'the organizers'.  I've tried myself, a bit.

> If people reading this list are in any doubt about the conference,
> it should be wondered what everyone else is thinking.

Some of them probably think the same magic pixies who organized last
year's event are happily working on this year's...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  If you have too much free time and can't think of a better way to
  spend it than reading Slashdot, you need a hobby, a job, or both.
     -- http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/slashdot.html#faq

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat May 13 18:28:01 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 18:28:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <2miro9c3um.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<200605131737.33488.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2miro9c3um.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200605131828.01221.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Saturday 13 May 2006 18:00, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
> >
> > I think that while it's tempting to point the finger, things like
> > EuroPython along with all its "assets" (Web site, materials from
> > previous occasions, procedures, and so on) should be considered as
> > ongoing, year-round activities.
>
> In this vein it would be nice to not throw out the website this year,
> for a change.  I'm reasonably happy with indico, though I'm not sure
> we want to host it at CERN again.  More look and feel integration with
> ep.org would be nice.

I guess so. That said, I haven't looked at Indico very much, although I did 
download the code.

> Also, I feel pretty confident that I'm am not going to be in the mood
> to have anything to do with EuroPython organization for a good couple
> of months after this year's event.  Are you volunteering? :)

It's surely a matter of keeping things up-to-date and making sure things don't 
decay. If I still have the same amount of "free time" after the conference, 
I'll gladly keep myself involved. The issue with volunteering is often making 
people feel able to volunteer and to contribute.

We should learn from PyCon, too. For example, it seems like obtaining 
recordings has been very difficult, and this seems to be an area Benedikt has 
been sorting out in advance. Getting permission from speakers and making the 
recordings available should be something that EuroPython gets right.

> > Imagine if the IOC left their Web site up with patchy information
> > about the last Olympic games. Concepts like "current organisers" are
> > misleading: there should always be more to the organisation of the
> > event than just the people managing the stuff on the ground. And to
> > bring up the IOC metaphor again, you don't generally have the
> > previous hosts 'phoning up the next hosts saying, "We've got the
> > torch here - when are you coming to collect it?"
>
> That's hardly an accurate analogy to what has happened this year...

I exaggerate to make a point, of course, and I having read and heard all about 
conference organisation, I don't underestimate the hassles involved. But my 
point was that it can be easier to sustain an existing process than to shut 
it down, only to have to start it up again later.

> > Really, there should be nothing stopping the EuroPython organisation
> > accepting talks for next year's conference right now. Sure, you
> > won't have many people submitting talks now because it's way over
> > everyone's horizon, but these issues don't change significantly on
> > the basis of where the conference is held.
>
> I think they do, a bit.  But yeah (also see comments about not
> trashing the website).

The processes have variables, but the fundamentals appear to be the same: an 
observation that presumably led to the creation of the Indico software.

> > Where we've fallen shortest may be in the promotion and the continuous
> > reminding of people that the conference is happening: things one would
> > normally brush aside as "hype" in popular culture.
>
> Well, this isn't rocket science, and also isn't entirely the fault of
> 'the organizers'.  I've tried myself, a bit.

One problem is that "traversing" the various milestones - talk submission 
opening, registration opening, early-bird registration closing, talk schedule 
announced, registration closing, and so on - gives good excuses to promote 
the conference. We've not really been able to stick to the schedule, as far 
as I can tell. Indeed, we don't seem to have clear schedule/deadline 
information published prominently - something I'm about to rectify on the 
ep.org site.

Paul

From lac at strakt.com  Sat May 13 19:56:51 2006
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 19:56:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: Message from "M.-A. Lemburg" <mal@egenix.com> 
	of "Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:44 +0200." <44644958.3090704@egenix.com> 
References: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk>
	<2my7xbec8z.fsf@starship.python.net> <44644958.3090704@egenix.com> 
Message-ID: <200605131756.k4DHupKh024487@theraft.strakt.com>

In a message of Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:44 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg" writes:
>Michael Hudson wrote:
>> Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:
>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Not wishing to seem alarmist, but is EuroPython actually going to happ
>en 
>>> this year?
>> 
>> I really hope so.
>> 
>>> We're under two months away and everything seems to be very quiet :-S
>> 
>> Yes.
>> 
>>> Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely
>>> as busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know
>>> if I should take it out of my diary?
>> 
>> Not yet.
>
>I would like to book hotel and flight soonish, if possible.
>
>Could you at least give a hint as to when you know whether EPC 2006
>is going to happen or not ?
>
>Thanks,
>-- 
>Marc-Andre Lemburg
>eGenix.com
>
>Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, May 12 2006)
>>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>::: Try mxODBC.Zope.DA for Windows,Linux,Solaris,FreeBSD for free ! ::::
>_______________________________________________
>EuroPython mailing list
>EuroPython at python.org
>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

Marc-Andre I perfectly understand your frustration.

I chair the education track this year, and my track is full.  There
are 9 great talks here registered and 4 iffy. Plus 4 more which
will be great if we see them.

The problem is not with the talks, it is with the registration.

The people at CERN wanted to use their own registration system,
one developed at CERN, but so far so little.  Some time next week
I will say 'to hell with everybody' and reinstall the payment and
registration system that we used last year.  But this is (un)happily a
most busy time for our company  -- i am sure we can get regestration
to work, but not  whether we can get it to use swiss franks as opposed to
swedish kronor.  

And now to read 100 messages as makes this one obsolete, see the
above about time, an d I am replying saturday night vs your
post on friday morning.

Laura

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Sat May 13 20:51:54 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 20:51:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython will happen this year. And the years to come
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605131151u79cf85bcg49350cd9416f1e9b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I just had a telephone conversation with Benedikt, especially concerning to
registration.

He is very confident that the payment process will be working on monday.

and ... if there will be no working payment processing, registration shall
be opened anyway. It would be CERNs responsibility to track payments between
t0(=registration is opened) and t1(payment is working).

On the bright side: the stuff like badges, rooms, food, ... is all clear.

Best wishes

Harald



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From aiste at pov.lt  Sat May 13 22:00:18 2006
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 23:00:18 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <45d4ea457df289f8c3fb1190eef1717a@zope-europe.org>
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>	<2md5ejd4a3.fsf@starship.python.net>	<51CBA3AB-0E1B-45EC-934B-2E5993041F1F@cern.ch>	<f89206d80605121455j30c85eb4v15e3d5ff2766bdfa@mail.gmail.com>	<0A6A6D10-B4A6-4D4A-B670-D15DE56DD7A7@cern.ch>	<2mpsiiau32.fsf@starship.python.net>
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paul at zope-europe.org wrote:
> On May 13, 4:16 pm Michael Hudson <mwh at python.net> wrote:
>> Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>>
>>>  for questions and discussions - I propose an irc meeting Monday
>>>  afternoon 17:00.
>> Works for me.
> 
> Me too.

Count me in as well.
One question -- 17:00 of which timezone?

-- 
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Email: aiste at pov.lt
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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Sun May 14 09:29:14 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 09:29:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
Message-ID: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>

Hi,

there was a lot of traffic on the list the last days about status and  
if the preparations are going well.

I think one reason for the discussion is that there was no visible  
activity going on. Well, it is in parts related to the fact that I  
was off sick and not able to work at all. And so I couldn't  
communicate what was still going on here without me. I made a big  
mistake not to delegate and find someone else to do my jobs when I  
was ill and in hospitals. I honostly apologize for that.
It looks like I can be ill and away again at any time. Now I made  
some preparations that there are people here to help out with my  
tasks - just in case. Audun, who works at CERN as well, can take care  
then and he already helps a lot. But not only in Geneva helping  
people are needed.

I think Paul Everitt mentioned that he can take care of the PR. Paul  
- is it still true? We need a PR text for the registration opening.  
And maybe translations in different languages. Do you think you can  
find people helping you with that?

For ep.org I have two points below which should be put there. David  
and Paul - do you can take care of this?

Ciao
Benedikt

---------
Fees:

Early Bird     Normal      On the door
Speakers    120            120       please no :)
Students     65            100         150
Normal      120            190         240

---------
Sponsorship:

Trade show and becoming a sponsor

     1. You can have a small space for free. This includes a desk, a
chair and 2 meters of wall space. You get one electric outlet and
access to the wireless network. You are not insured by the conference.
At least one member of your organisation must be attending the
conference, but you may staff your booth with non attendees.

     2. You are required to keep your booth manned during the "trade
show". This will take place for a period of 6 hours. Lunch break,
afternoon session and an hour or so after the end of the conference day
on Tuesday 8 June is what is preliminarily planned. You can have your
booth up manned or unmanned the rest of the time - it is up to each
company to decide.

     3. You can become a sponsor of the conference. The following  
options
are available:

            * Gold sponsor - 2000 Euro
              This gives you:
                  o Your name/link on the website
                  o An ad in the conference program
                  o A streamer in each conference room
                  o A streamer in the entrance
                  o A 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes

            * Sponsor - 500 Euro
              This gives you:
                  o Your name/link on the website
                  o An ad in the conference program
                  o A streamer in each conference room

            * Advertiser - 100 Euro
              This gives you:
                  o Your name/link on the website
                  o An ad in the conference program

            * Organising sponsor - At least 5 man days of work effort
                  o Your name/link on the website
                  o An ad in the conference program
                  o A streamer in the entrance
                  o Double exhibition space for free

            * Special sponsor - Negotiable
              If you have an offer which is of mutual benefit, we are
ready to hear it. Please contact the Europython organisers.

     4. If you want to put on a special event, please contact the
Europython organizers.



From mwh at python.net  Sun May 14 14:25:07 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 13:25:07 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605131828.01221.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Sat, 13 May 2006 18:28:01 +0200")
References: <200605100104.38322.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<200605131737.33488.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2miro9c3um.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200605131828.01221.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2m1wuwbxp8.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On Saturday 13 May 2006 18:00, Michael Hudson wrote:
>> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
>> >
>> > I think that while it's tempting to point the finger, things like
>> > EuroPython along with all its "assets" (Web site, materials from
>> > previous occasions, procedures, and so on) should be considered as
>> > ongoing, year-round activities.
>>
>> In this vein it would be nice to not throw out the website this year,
>> for a change.  I'm reasonably happy with indico, though I'm not sure
>> we want to host it at CERN again.  More look and feel integration with
>> ep.org would be nice.
>
> I guess so. That said, I haven't looked at Indico very much, although I did 
> download the code.

I even tried to install it, but didn't succeed (didn't try very hard,
mind).  The thing that bothers me about indico is that while it's open
source in the legal sense (it's GPL) it doesn't really seem to be open
source in the sense of having a community around it (but maybe I just
haven't found it yet).

>> Also, I feel pretty confident that I'm am not going to be in the mood
>> to have anything to do with EuroPython organization for a good couple
>> of months after this year's event.  Are you volunteering? :)
>
> It's surely a matter of keeping things up-to-date and making sure
> things don't decay. If I still have the same amount of "free time"
> after the conference, I'll gladly keep myself involved. The issue
> with volunteering is often making people feel able to volunteer and
> to contribute.

Yes, but it's also having people who say "can I do something useful"
actually *do* something.  I'm not accusing anyone of active deception
here, but it's a fact that almost everyone I know in the Python
community is way over-subscribed for time (including me, of course).

Also, I seem to have become de facto volunteer coordinator for the
conference, which isn't something I've done before and I'm probably
not doing it optimally.  I'm trying to learn!

>> > Imagine if the IOC left their Web site up with patchy information
>> > about the last Olympic games. Concepts like "current organisers" are
>> > misleading: there should always be more to the organisation of the
>> > event than just the people managing the stuff on the ground. And to
>> > bring up the IOC metaphor again, you don't generally have the
>> > previous hosts 'phoning up the next hosts saying, "We've got the
>> > torch here - when are you coming to collect it?"
>>
>> That's hardly an accurate analogy to what has happened this year...
>
> I exaggerate to make a point, 

Well, I think it's more than just exaggeration, but never mind.

> of course, and I having read and heard all about conference
> organisation, I don't underestimate the hassles involved. But my
> point was that it can be easier to sustain an existing process than
> to shut it down, only to have to start it up again later.

Amen.  However, a part of this is not to completely burn out the
organizers by the time the event comes around.  Maybe I'm being
pessimistic, but I'm kind of expecting I'm going to need to sleep for
at least a week after the conference.

>> > Where we've fallen shortest may be in the promotion and the continuous
>> > reminding of people that the conference is happening: things one would
>> > normally brush aside as "hype" in popular culture.
>>
>> Well, this isn't rocket science, and also isn't entirely the fault of
>> 'the organizers'.  I've tried myself, a bit.
>
> One problem is that "traversing" the various milestones - talk
> submission opening, registration opening, early-bird registration
> closing, talk schedule announced, registration closing, and so on -
> gives good excuses to promote the conference. We've not really been
> able to stick to the schedule, as far as I can tell. 

Indeed :(

> Indeed, we don't seem to have clear schedule/deadline information
> published prominently - something I'm about to rectify on the ep.org
> site.

Great!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  TRSDOS: Friendly old lizard. Or, at least, content to sit there
  eating flies.            -- Jim's pedigree of operating systems, asr

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sun May 14 15:06:32 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:06:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605141506.33020.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Sunday 14 May 2006 09:29, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>
> there was a lot of traffic on the list the last days about status and
> if the preparations are going well.

Great! Sorry to hear that you haven't been well, though. I hope EuroPython's 
burden of stress isn't responsible.

[...]

> For ep.org I have two points below which should be put there. David
> and Paul - do you can take care of this?

I'll add the details to ep.org right now. Meanwhile, I was wondering about 
things like deadlines: the May 31st talk deadline, along with other 
abstract-related deadlines seem to be set in stone, but I wonder about the 
various registration deadlines - have these changed from whatever was agreed 
before? Prominent deadline information helps people to understand/prepare for 
the conference, I think.

Paul

From ms at cerenity.org  Sun May 14 16:17:55 2006
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:17:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605141517.55630.ms@cerenity.org>

On Sunday 14 May 2006 08:29, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>  in hospitals.

Oh my.... :-(

I'm truly sorry for not understanding - I had no idea that was going on for 
you :-(

No matter what, your health is always the most important thing, and I for one 
would far rather a cock up that causes (any) conference to be delayed/etc 
than for someone's health, especially yours, to suffer...

I hope you're sufficiently better now, but your comment - can you tell me what 
I can do to help you? (Unfortunately I can't help with translation... )-:

best wishes,


Michael.

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sun May 14 15:58:57 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 15:58:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <200605141506.33020.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
	<200605141506.33020.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <200605141558.58001.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Sunday 14 May 2006 15:06, Paul Boddie wrote:
>
> I'll add the details to ep.org right now.

Right. I've added fee information to the registration page, and I managed to 
track down where the sponsorship information was hiding, replacing it with 
the proposed text. What was interesting was that last year, I'm sure similar 
sponsorship terms were in play, but I don't really remember things like 15 
minute pre-keynote talks - I guess no-one forces anyone to give such talks.

On the subject of deadlines, I happened to find something like what I had in 
mind:

http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/EventCalendar

Paul

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Sun May 14 18:03:20 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:03:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <200605141558.58001.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
	<200605141506.33020.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<200605141558.58001.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <606BD98A-F681-4A45-901A-68EA4C5471B6@cern.ch>

Hi Paul,

thanks for putting the things on the web. About the final deadlines  
we will discuss tomorrow in our irc meeting I think.

Cheers
Benedikt



On May 14, 2006, at 3:58 PM, Paul Boddie wrote:

> On Sunday 14 May 2006 15:06, Paul Boddie wrote:
>>
>> I'll add the details to ep.org right now.
>
> Right. I've added fee information to the registration page, and I  
> managed to
> track down where the sponsorship information was hiding, replacing  
> it with
> the proposed text. What was interesting was that last year, I'm  
> sure similar
> sponsorship terms were in play, but I don't really remember things  
> like 15
> minute pre-keynote talks - I guess no-one forces anyone to give  
> such talks.
>
> On the subject of deadlines, I happened to find something like what  
> I had in
> mind:
>
> http://us.pycon.org/TX2007/EventCalendar
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Sun May 14 18:30:39 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 18:30:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <200605141517.55630.ms@cerenity.org>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
	<200605141517.55630.ms@cerenity.org>
Message-ID: <3376F69E-F1C7-4BE1-B5BA-A7DAA2059D15@cern.ch>

Hi Michael,

of course you couldn't know. So don't mind.
For help. Thanks for offering. Maybe you could just follow the  
discussions tomorrow. The things will be a little clearer then.

Cheers
Benedikt


On May 14, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Michael wrote:

> On Sunday 14 May 2006 08:29, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>>  in hospitals.
>
> Oh my.... :-(
>
> I'm truly sorry for not understanding - I had no idea that was  
> going on for
> you :-(
>
> No matter what, your health is always the most important thing, and  
> I for one
> would far rather a cock up that causes (any) conference to be  
> delayed/etc
> than for someone's health, especially yours, to suffer...
>
> I hope you're sufficiently better now, but your comment - can you  
> tell me what
> I can do to help you? (Unfortunately I can't help with  
> translation... )-:
>
> best wishes,
>
>
> Michael.


From paul at zeapartners.org  Sun May 14 20:36:18 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:36:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>


On May 14, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Benedikt Hegner wrote:

> I think Paul Everitt mentioned that he can take care of the PR. Paul

I had previously volunteered to help Holger.  I can help someone  
else, but I'm not planning to manage PR.

--Paul

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Sun May 14 22:37:32 2006
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 22:37:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
	<DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>
Message-ID: <f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>

2006/5/14, Paul Everitt <paul at zeapartners.org>:

> I can help someone else, but I'm not planning to manage PR.

The same goes for me. What is expected in term of PR ?

Some ideas of possible todos:

1/ writing of articles / info about the next EP conference ? the
previous EP conferences ?
2/ communication to python / zope related mailing lists and sites ?
3/ communication to Geneva and other local newspapers / TVs / radio stations ?
(by the way, could the PR department of CERN help or not ? If not,
could it only help us by providing such lists and contact informations
? And could we have its coordonates : name of people working there,
telephone, email addresses )
4/ invitation of local authorities ? (by the way, have any official of
CERN been officially invited, maybe to do some introduction or closing
speech). If yes, who ? If not, who could/should we invite ?
5/ contact with local LUGs (Linux users groups) who could help ? (as
any such contact been already taken ? GULL in Geneva at
www.linux-gull.ch/portail.html

By the way, I don't know if the information is known on this list, but
the Canton de Gen?ve has been released fo Windows / GNU/linux and
Macs, is available freely on the web from
http://etat.geneve.ch/getax/04/art.jsp?id=6512 and has been sent to
all taxpayers aroud Geneva on a cdrom that also contained Mozilla
*and* OpenOffice. This was a very active action made by a public
authority favouring free software. They just considered that there was
some free space on the cdrom and decided to add free software ... but
no propriatary software !

I (npettiaux) volunteer for 5 and some other actions together with
other people ... provided we can work that subject together on the
wiki ... where I actually started : see
http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006PR

Regards,

Nicolas
-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From asouzaleite at gmx.de  Mon May 15 00:01:38 2006
From: asouzaleite at gmx.de (Aroldo Souza-Leite)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 00:01:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605131756.k4DHupKh024487@theraft.strakt.com>
References: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk>	<2my7xbec8z.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<44644958.3090704@egenix.com>
	<200605131756.k4DHupKh024487@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <4467A8C2.4010204@gmx.de>

Laura Creighton schrieb:

>I chair the education track this year, and my track is full.  There
>are 9 great talks here registered and 4 iffy. Plus 4 more which
>will be great if we see them.
>
>  
>
Hi Laura,

can you use me as an assistant track chair (Teaching) ? Sorry I was a 
bit confused and didn't know what to do for europython in the past few 
weeks. Thanks for taking care of the education track. Thanks also to 
Benedikt for enduring it all and coming back to us, and to Mike H. for 
standing in the middle of the storm.


Cheers.

Aroldo.

From paul at zeapartners.org  Mon May 15 09:06:19 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 09:06:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
	<DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>
	<f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8E66250-CA27-4E20-A177-A9ABFE0E81DC@zeapartners.org>


I will get together with Godefroid to spam the Zope, Plone, and other  
Python web framework communities.

--Paul

On May 14, 2006, at 10:37 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

> 2006/5/14, Paul Everitt <paul at zeapartners.org>:
>
>> I can help someone else, but I'm not planning to manage PR.
>
> The same goes for me. What is expected in term of PR ?
>
> Some ideas of possible todos:
>
> 1/ writing of articles / info about the next EP conference ? the
> previous EP conferences ?
> 2/ communication to python / zope related mailing lists and sites ?
> 3/ communication to Geneva and other local newspapers / TVs / radio  
> stations ?
> (by the way, could the PR department of CERN help or not ? If not,
> could it only help us by providing such lists and contact informations
> ? And could we have its coordonates : name of people working there,
> telephone, email addresses )
> 4/ invitation of local authorities ? (by the way, have any official of
> CERN been officially invited, maybe to do some introduction or closing
> speech). If yes, who ? If not, who could/should we invite ?
> 5/ contact with local LUGs (Linux users groups) who could help ? (as
> any such contact been already taken ? GULL in Geneva at
> www.linux-gull.ch/portail.html
>
> By the way, I don't know if the information is known on this list, but
> the Canton de Gen?ve has been released fo Windows / GNU/linux and
> Macs, is available freely on the web from
> http://etat.geneve.ch/getax/04/art.jsp?id=6512 and has been sent to
> all taxpayers aroud Geneva on a cdrom that also contained Mozilla
> *and* OpenOffice. This was a very active action made by a public
> authority favouring free software. They just considered that there was
> some free space on the cdrom and decided to add free software ... but
> no propriatary software !
>
> I (npettiaux) volunteer for 5 and some other actions together with
> other people ... provided we can work that subject together on the
> wiki ... where I actually started : see
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006PR
>
> Regards,
>
> Nicolas
> -- 
> Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be
>


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Mon May 15 10:55:43 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:55:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>
	<DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>
	<f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96FA8B67-C0FC-469F-8C4A-93A182819D96@cern.ch>

Hi Nicolas,

> 1/ writing of articles / info about the next EP conference ? the
> previous EP conferences ?
There was one in the CERN courier.
> 2/ communication to python / zope related mailing lists and sites ?
> 3/ communication to Geneva and other local newspapers / TVs / radio  
> stations ?
> (by the way, could the PR department of CERN help or not ? If not,
> could it only help us by providing such lists and contact informations
> ? And could we have its coordonates : name of people working there,
> telephone, email addresses )
No idea. I will try to contact them tomorrow.

> 4/ invitation of local authorities ? (by the way, have any official of
> CERN been officially invited, maybe to do some introduction or closing
> speech). If yes, who ? If not, who could/should we invite ?
It's not yet clear who exactly of CERN. But there will be one.

> 5/ contact with local LUGs (Linux users groups) who could help ? (as
> any such contact been already taken ? GULL in Geneva at
> www.linux-gull.ch/portail.html
I have no contact at all to the LUG here. My french isn't good enough  
for that. Is here someone else with contact to them? Or should I ask  
the linux gurus on site?

> By the way, I don't know if the information is known on this list, but
> the Canton de Gen?ve has been released fo Windows / GNU/linux and
> Macs, is available freely on the web from
> http://etat.geneve.ch/getax/04/art.jsp?id=6512 and has been sent to
> all taxpayers aroud Geneva on a cdrom that also contained Mozilla
> *and* OpenOffice. This was a very active action made by a public
> authority favouring free software. They just considered that there was
> some free space on the cdrom and decided to add free software ... but
> no propriatary software !
Cool! I missed that one. But I life just across the border in France.

> I (npettiaux) volunteer for 5 and some other actions together with
> other people ... provided we can work that subject together on the
> wiki ... where I actually started : see
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006PR

Thanks for all your ideas! :-)

Cheers
Benedikt

From tziade at nuxeo.com  Mon May 15 10:39:53 2006
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:39:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <C8E66250-CA27-4E20-A177-A9ABFE0E81DC@zeapartners.org>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>	<DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>	<f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8E66250-CA27-4E20-A177-A9ABFE0E81DC@zeapartners.org>
Message-ID: <44683E59.1000708@nuxeo.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:

>I will get together with Godefroid to spam the Zope, Plone, and other  
>Python web framework communities.
>  
>
I can do the same for french Zope / Python groups, as long as the
annoucments to be made are 
sent to this mailing. Maybe a dedicated mailing list for PR would  be
useful ?

Tarek



From mwh at python.net  Mon May 15 11:18:30 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 10:18:30 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] additional mailing list moderator?
Message-ID: <2m4pzrabo9.fsf@starship.python.net>

It would be nice if someone could help me moderate this mailing list.

Almost everything that gets stuck in the moderation queue is spam, but
not quite.  It's only about 3 minutes work a day, so long as it gets
done every day.  Email me if you're willing/able to help.

Cheers.
mwh

-- 
  The gripping hand is really that there are morons everywhere, it's
  just that the Americon morons are funnier than average.
                              -- Pim van Riezen, alt.sysadmin.recovery

From mal at egenix.com  Mon May 15 11:21:54 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 11:21:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Is EuroPython happening this year?
In-Reply-To: <200605131756.k4DHupKh024487@theraft.strakt.com>
References: <44606819.4060008@simplistix.co.uk>	<2my7xbec8z.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<44644958.3090704@egenix.com>
	<200605131756.k4DHupKh024487@theraft.strakt.com>
Message-ID: <44684832.1080909@egenix.com>

Hi Laura,

Laura Creighton wrote:
> In a message of Fri, 12 May 2006 10:37:44 +0200, "M.-A. Lemburg" writes:
>> Michael Hudson wrote:
>>> Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:
>>>> Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining and I know I'm likely
>>>> as busy as everyone else who can't help out, but I just want to know
>>>> if I should take it out of my diary?
>>> Not yet.
>> I would like to book hotel and flight soonish, if possible.
>>
>> Could you at least give a hint as to when you know whether EPC 2006
>> is going to happen or not ?
>
> Marc-Andre I perfectly understand your frustration.

Hmm, I'm not sure you're replying to the right posting here :-)

Chris brought up the question and I have a similar need: in general
I need to plan things a bit beforehand and would therefore like
to book my flight and hotel this week.

Now, of course, I'd like to know whether I'll be attending
a conference (which I hope) or spend 4 days sitting in
cafes in Geneva ;-)

> I chair the education track this year, and my track is full.  There
> are 9 great talks here registered and 4 iffy. Plus 4 more which
> will be great if we see them.

That's good to know. I tried looking for the registered
talks on the web-site, but couldn't find them. All I could do
is look at my own registered talk.

> The problem is not with the talks, it is with the registration.

I think the problem is a bit of both: people who sign up for
a conference will usually know what talks will be held. At
present, the timetable doesn't show any specific talk at
all.

It would be helpful, to at least get an idea of what to
expect at EPC (apart from meeting the usual suspects ;-).

> The people at CERN wanted to use their own registration system,
> one developed at CERN, but so far so little.  Some time next week
> I will say 'to hell with everybody' and reinstall the payment and
> registration system that we used last year.  But this is (un)happily a
> most busy time for our company  -- i am sure we can get regestration
> to work, but not  whether we can get it to use swiss franks as opposed to
> swedish kronor.  
>
> And now to read 100 messages as makes this one obsolete, see the
> above about time, an d I am replying saturday night vs your
> post on friday morning.

Regards,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Mon May 15 13:02:34 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:02:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
Message-ID: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>

Hi,

I had a look at the website. It is a little bit confusing.
I have the following idea for Tracks&Talks to make it a little bit  
more structered:

Is it possible to reduce this part by one Level? The information on  
"Call for Proposals" could be put directly on Tracks&Talks or the  
link renamed . "Call for Abstracts" should be deleted completely.
What about a more direct link to the programme once it is fixed. One  
click and you are there. At the moment you have to follow too many  
links. :-(
And maybe a link like "Propose a talk" should be on top of the  
Tracks&Talks page.

Any comments and ideas?

Cheers
Benedikt Hegner





From faassen at infrae.com  Mon May 15 12:40:33 2006
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 12:40:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] help needed!
In-Reply-To: <C8E66250-CA27-4E20-A177-A9ABFE0E81DC@zeapartners.org>
References: <9D4D6B69-2FD4-48B4-A342-0B190CB2C8C9@cern.ch>	<DCB533DD-2E80-433B-8C08-C38E72FB6F04@zeapartners.org>	<f89206d80605141337r79fcfd62u5cf75f5f1fa418d@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8E66250-CA27-4E20-A177-A9ABFE0E81DC@zeapartners.org>
Message-ID: <44685AA1.8090100@infrae.com>

Paul Everitt wrote:
> I will get together with Godefroid to spam the Zope, Plone, and other  
> Python web framework communities.

get it on the python homepage as well. PyCON gets to be there, so should 
EuroPython. And spam python-announce. And get it on the lwn.net event 
calendar.

Regards,

Martijn

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Mon May 15 13:09:46 2006
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:09:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <f89206d80605150409u49657436v4e50f18fa6e7cce@mail.gmail.com>

2006/5/15, Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch>:

I find it very confusing that some info are on the EP web site and
other (about the submission, and planning of talks) on a CERN server
that are closely related and that they do not have the same layout.

Could this be arrange, maybe by putting everything on the EP site ?

Thanks,

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 15 13:57:47 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:57:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605151357.47757.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 15 May 2006 13:02, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>
> I had a look at the website. It is a little bit confusing.
> I have the following idea for Tracks&Talks to make it a little bit
> more structered:
>
> Is it possible to reduce this part by one Level? The information on
> "Call for Proposals" could be put directly on Tracks&Talks or the
> link renamed . "Call for Abstracts" should be deleted completely.

I tried to make a bit more sense out of this page during the weekend, but Dave 
mentioned that the call for abstracts did seem to take the user on a tour of 
many different pages, and I personally don't like the terms "proposal" and 
"abstract": you're either submitting a paper or a talk, although it's a bit 
late for the former, now.

> What about a more direct link to the programme once it is fixed.

If you follow the "conference timetable" you get to see the talk slots, but 
perhaps "conference programme" confuses this.

> One click and you are there. At the moment you have to follow too many
> links. :-(
> And maybe a link like "Propose a talk" should be on top of the
> Tracks&Talks page.
>
> Any comments and ideas?

I propose...

  * Removing the "Call for Abstracts" link (and section?).
  * Adding some text about proposing talks at the top of the page,
    linking to the "Call for Proposals" section but not necessarily
    using that label: "Propose a talk" is better. When talk
    submission is closed, we can change this section to mention
    this.
  * Changing the "conference programme" link to refer to "tracks"
    or "topics". Since the track descriptions are on the proposals/
    talks page, we could link to that instead of the Indico version.
  * Changing the last part to be about the conference timetable,
    noting that this isn't finalised yet.

It would be nice to have the date for the selection of talks in that list of 
deadlines, too.

Paul

P.S. If no-one has any objections, I'll make the above changes in a short 
while - I have some other errands to run first. :-)

P.P.S. If there's a way of pushing out published changes to the site via RSS, 
that would be interesting to know about. And when registration opens, we 
really want a comp.lang.python.announce message to be sent out, too.

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 15 14:02:40 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 13:02:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <200605151357.47757.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Mon, 15 May 2006 13:57:47 +0200")
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
	<200605151357.47757.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2mves78pi7.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On Monday 15 May 2006 13:02, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>>
>> I had a look at the website. It is a little bit confusing.
>> I have the following idea for Tracks&Talks to make it a little bit
>> more structered:
>>
>> Is it possible to reduce this part by one Level? The information on
>> "Call for Proposals" could be put directly on Tracks&Talks or the
>> link renamed . "Call for Abstracts" should be deleted completely.
>
> I tried to make a bit more sense out of this page during the weekend, but Dave 
> mentioned that the call for abstracts did seem to take the user on a tour of 
> many different pages, and I personally don't like the terms "proposal" and 
> "abstract": you're either submitting a paper or a talk, although it's a bit 
> late for the former, now.
>
>> What about a more direct link to the programme once it is fixed.
>
> If you follow the "conference timetable" you get to see the talk slots, but 
> perhaps "conference programme" confuses this.
>
>> One click and you are there. At the moment you have to follow too many
>> links. :-(
>> And maybe a link like "Propose a talk" should be on top of the
>> Tracks&Talks page.
>>
>> Any comments and ideas?
>
> I propose...
>
>   * Removing the "Call for Abstracts" link (and section?).
>   * Adding some text about proposing talks at the top of the page,
>     linking to the "Call for Proposals" section but not necessarily
>     using that label: "Propose a talk" is better. When talk
>     submission is closed, we can change this section to mention
>     this.
>   * Changing the "conference programme" link to refer to "tracks"
>     or "topics". Since the track descriptions are on the proposals/
>     talks page, we could link to that instead of the Indico version.
>   * Changing the last part to be about the conference timetable,
>     noting that this isn't finalised yet.

This all sounds good.

> It would be nice to have the date for the selection of talks in that list of 
> deadlines, too.

I'd like to have the list of accepted talks ready very very soon after
the deadline for submissions passes -- like by the third of June, say.
I hope the track chairs are ready for this :)

> Paul
>
> P.S. If no-one has any objections, I'll make the above changes in a short 
> while - I have some other errands to run first. :-)

Sounds good!

> P.P.S. If there's a way of pushing out published changes to the site
> via RSS, that would be interesting to know about.

Well, there's 

feed://www.europython.org/.cps_portlets/portlet_950133473?export=rss_2_0&path=None

but I'm not entirely sure what determines when things end up in there.

> And when
> registration opens, we really want a comp.lang.python.announce
> message to be sent out, too.

Oh my yes.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  <Acapnotic> jemfinch: What's to parse?  A numeric code, perhaps a
              chicken, and some arguments
                                                -- from Twisted.Quotes

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Mon May 15 14:37:08 2006
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:37:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <2mves78pi7.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>	<200605151357.47757.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2mves78pi7.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <446875F4.4040704@ita.chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
>
>   
>> P.P.S. If there's a way of pushing out published changes to the site
>> via RSS, that would be interesting to know about.
>>     
>
> Well, there's 
>
> feed://www.europython.org/.cps_portlets/portlet_950133473?export=rss_2_0&path=None
>
> but I'm not entirely sure what determines when things end up in there.
>   

it's possible to export all site changes in RSS / ATOM for other site to 
relay them. The ones on the front-page are somehow categorized.
I can set up such an export page if there's interest.
cheers
/JM

From jmo at chalmers.se  Mon May 15 14:51:11 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 14:51:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <446875F4.4040704@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>	<200605151357.47757.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<2mves78pi7.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<446875F4.4040704@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <4468793F.9010605@chalmers.se>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> Michael Hudson wrote:
>   
>> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> P.P.S. If there's a way of pushing out published changes to the site
>>> via RSS, that would be interesting to know about.
>>>     
>>>       
>> Well, there's 
>>
>> feed://www.europython.org/.cps_portlets/portlet_950133473?export=rss_2_0&path=None
>>
>> but I'm not entirely sure what determines when things end up in there.
>>   
>>     
>
> it's possible to export all site changes in RSS / ATOM for other site to 
> relay them. The ones on the front-page are somehow categorized.
> I can set up such an export page if there's interest.
> cheers
> /JM
>   

or more simply, the "site updates" box now shows all site changes.
this feed should do:
http://www.europython.org/.cps_portlets/portlet_950133473?export=rss_2_0

best
/JM


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 15 16:37:50 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:37:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <4468793F.9010605@chalmers.se>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
	<446875F4.4040704@ita.chalmers.se> <4468793F.9010605@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 15 May 2006 14:51, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
> or more simply, the "site updates" box now shows all site changes.
> this feed should do:
> http://www.europython.org/.cps_portlets/portlet_950133473?export=rss_2_0

Yes, this seems to show the edits. I've now "unpublished" the call for 
abstracts and have updated the "Tracks & talks" page to make a bit more 
sense. Comments and suggestions are welcome! (I'm almost getting the hang of 
this CPS stuff...)

Paul

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Mon May 15 16:44:39 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:44:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
	<446875F4.4040704@ita.chalmers.se> <4468793F.9010605@chalmers.se>
	<200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>

Hi Paul,

looks much better now! :-)
Is it possible to get rid of the two items "call for proposals" and  
"refereed paper track" at the bottom of the page?

Thanks
Benedikt

On May 15, 2006, at 4:37 PM, Paul Boddie wrote:

> On Monday 15 May 2006 14:51, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>>
>> or more simply, the "site updates" box now shows all site changes.
>> this feed should do:
>> http://www.europython.org/.cps_portlets/portlet_950133473? 
>> export=rss_2_0
>
> Yes, this seems to show the edits. I've now "unpublished" the call for
> abstracts and have updated the "Tracks & talks" page to make a bit  
> more
> sense. Comments and suggestions are welcome! (I'm almost getting  
> the hang of
> this CPS stuff...)
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 15 16:59:32 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 16:59:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
	<200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605151659.32524.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 15 May 2006 16:44, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>
> looks much better now! :-)
> Is it possible to get rid of the two items "call for proposals" and
> "refereed paper track" at the bottom of the page?

I think I can do something with the sitemap navigation there. Expert advice 
may be required, however. ;-)

Paul

From jmo at chalmers.se  Mon May 15 17:07:34 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 17:07:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <200605151659.32524.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>	<200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>
	<200605151659.32524.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <44689936.2020404@chalmers.se>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Monday 15 May 2006 16:44, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>   
>> looks much better now! :-)
>> Is it possible to get rid of the two items "call for proposals" and
>> "refereed paper track" at the bottom of the page?
>>     
>
> I think I can do something with the sitemap navigation there. Expert advice 
> may be required, however. ;-)
>
> Paul
>   

the documents are in the Tracks folder, that's why they're listed at the 
bottom of the page. they can be published elsewhere for instance.

cheers/JM

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May 15 18:55:50 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 18:55:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from meeting 2005-05-15 1700 CEST
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605150955r1a009c39yc0b88b8a5a29a7fe@mail.gmail.com>

    minutes of meeting 2005-05-15:1700-1840 cest
    agenda points
    1) payment
    2) website
    3) money and access to the account
    4) deadlines
    5) other stuff
    6) PR

1) payment

registration will open now (=t0). Payment via world pay will be possible
soon (=t1).  Payment of persons registering between t0 and t1 have to pay
with other means; that is not different from people who do not want to pay
via world pay.

    <Bene>    but that's true anyway for people deciding not to pay via
worldpay
    <Bene>    no. They will get an email with SWIFT information


    <Bene>    question: one week early bird?
    decision: early bird up to 2006-05-26, 23:59 CEST

decision made in knowledge that people have to register early bird without
full knowledge of talks. That "risk" is rewarded with discount.

    <Bene>    A list of approved talks would be better than nothing
    <mwh>    i'll email all the track chairs soon, anyway
    <pboddie>    I think the talks need to be known soon after the end of
early bird. The problem last year was even normal registrants didn't know
what they were being served.

    <mwh>    well, i'd like to have A schedule by the 4th of June
    <mwh>    maybe not THE schedule

    <apf>    yes. and any schedule is better than none. even if it's
labelled preliminary.


    <Bene>    I just got information that Wolfgang von Rueden from CERN
wants to give the welcome talk.
    <GHUM_>    Bene: before the Keynote
    <GHUM_>    in the morning is impossible
    <mwh>    before the keynote probably makes more sense indeed


    <GHUM_>    starting event: it must be something more informal
    <GHUM_>    lets distribute coffee. or champagne or something
    <mwh>    i can say a few words, i guess
    <pboddie>    Just some kind of coffee and pastries would be nice.


2) website
pboddie has done quite a lot the last days. thanks for that!

<pboddie>    I want to remove those links at the bottom, but Jean-Marc seems
to suggest that you have to move the documents out of that folder to get the
effect. Which has its own side-effects, I imagine.
<Bene>    okay, so a technical problem?
<Bene>    okay. the following
<Bene>    rename propose a talk to call for pater announcement
<Bene>    and add go to talk sumbission

<pboddie>    Right, refer to the announcement, but give a link to the
submission. I think that the submission has a list of tracks anyway.
<Bene>    what means:
http://indico.cern.ch/abstractSubmission.py?confId=44#interest
<Bene>    skip the #interest


3) money -> became food

R1 is closed, offer from R2, R for restaurant. The things is. We have a new
offer and the only things is that I need a yes from some people. cost
doesn't change

<GHUM_>    Bene: either we take R2 or we take nothing :) ... So I vote to
take R2 :)
<pboddie>    +1
<Bene>    the payment I will make with dario then
<mwh>    +1
<Bene>    okay then.


topic 4) deadlines

<pboddie>    I propose removing the comment about it being "some time after
30th May". People may panic!
<Bene>    good point
<pboddie>    Closure is probably a logistical thing. If someone names a date
at some point, I or they can put it up. Otherwise, let's not mention it,
then?
<mwh>    when is the latest we can practically close registration?
<Bene>    we need to know some things in advance. so one week before
conference would nice.

<pboddie>    Monday 26th June?
<apf>    as there will be a rush after the closing date, maybe we go a bit
earlier for the announcement ?
<mwh>    yeah, that's what i was thinking
<apf>    what about june 15 as "official" closing ?


<pboddie>    4th June (talk schedule released),
                   15th June ("registration will close"),
                    26th June (registration closes)?
It'd be good to have the "timetable of hype" so that people can gear up for
the event.

all agreed.

<pboddie>    Might we make the 4th June deadline sort-of official/public in
order to tease people during early bird registration? ;-)

6) PR

a) collect a list of pushing points on the mailinglist
    (pushing point: WHO has access to WHICH networks / press / magazine with
WHICH confidence

b) zopepaul is willing to draft a press release under the condition that
people will spread it
c) translate the press release to the languages available
d) push the translated press release to the pushing points collected by step
a)

GHUM    will list his pushing points to EPML tonight, and ask averybody to
list his contacts

<mwh>    my contacts are mainly within the python crowd though, who mostly
know about europython already
<apf>    one obvious other place is the CERN web home page, mainly the one
for the "Users" :-), but probably also the one for the "Public"
<pboddie>    I added an entry to the python.org Wiki page, and it was
suggested that python.org pick the event up for the front page.
<pboddie>    Whoever is doing a press release might want to consider
publications like Linux Journal - they've covered PyCon before now, at least
online.

<GHUM_>    which is "the wiki" ?
<pboddie>    We've got http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython as the main
http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006
and the organisers' page is http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2006 -
note the subtle differences!

Okay. We will ask people to put their names and ideas on the PR list. Paul
will prepare a text and we will spread it out - even to the back side of the
moon


Next meeting Tuesday 23rd May at 6pm (UTC+2) is fine.


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
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70197 Stuttgart
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 15 19:00:43 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 19:00:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from meeting 2005-05-15 1700 CEST
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605150955r1a009c39yc0b88b8a5a29a7fe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605150955r1a009c39yc0b88b8a5a29a7fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605151900.43428.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 15 May 2006 18:55, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> <pboddie>    4th June (talk schedule released),
>                    15th June ("registration will close"),
>                     26th June (registration closes)?
> It'd be good to have the "timetable of hype" so that people can gear up for
> the event.

I think we eventually went for...

4th June, 18th June, 26th June

Note that the 15th/18th is just the date for announcing the closure of 
registration, not the actual end of registration.

Thanks for the summary, Harald!

Paul

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May 15 22:08:29 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 22:08:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] PR: state your connections
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605151308w4b29b4b8g76a748f7203e98f9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello EP!

Paul of Zope is willing to create a press release for our favourite Mid-July
Conference. And before that we have to prepare the distribution of the
message.

I suggest that we primarely push the message to people we allready know who
distribute it in networks.
For an effective routing, we have to collect the networks we can reach:


so, I can reach:

confidence 100%
- WJD (Wirtschaftsjunioren Deutschland), a chamber of Junior Chamber
International; WJD is a Germany-spanning businnes network
- German Python Forum / Mailinglist
- Mercurial community
- PostgreSQL community
- moin moin community

confidence 75%
- BNI (a business network, guess worldwide)
- Linux Solution Group (a Baden W?rttemberg Initiative Proposing Open Source
Solutions for Business)
- Linuxtag e.V. (one of Europes biggest Linux conferences)



No I ask EACH READER of this list to state the networks / magazines /
newspapers he knows well enough to give them the message with trust that
they pass it on.

Harald



-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
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From mwh at python.net  Mon May 15 22:16:35 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 21:16:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] PR: state your connections
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605151308w4b29b4b8g76a748f7203e98f9@mail.gmail.com>
	(Harald
	Armin Massa's message of "Mon, 15 May 2006 22:08:29 +0200")
References: <7be3f35d0605151308w4b29b4b8g76a748f7203e98f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2mmzdj82n0.fsf@starship.python.net>

"Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com> writes:

> Hello EP!
>
> Paul of Zope is willing to create a press release for our favourite
> Mid-July Conference. And before that we have to prepare the distribution
> of the message.
>
> I suggest that we p rimarely push the message to people we allready know
> who distribute it in networks.
> For an effective routing, we have to collect the networks we can reach:
>
> so, I can reach:
>
> confidence 100%

I can reach the Python community, up to and including getting a link
to it onto python.org.

> confidence 75%

I can email lwn, but I don't know with what probability they'll do
anything with it...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Finding a needle in a haystack is a lot easier if you burn down
  the haystack and scan the ashes with a metal detector.
      -- the Silicon Valley Tarot (another one nicked from David Rush)

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 15 23:28:00 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 23:28:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Web site additions
Message-ID: <200605152328.00877.paul@boddie.org.uk>

Hello,

The more inquisitive among you will have noticed that, thanks to the technical 
wizardry of Jean-Marc Orliaguet, we now have a "calendar" tab on the 
EuroPython front page, inspired by the PyCon "event calendar" but without the 
same friendly greeting ("The days in the following table are wrong; we need 
to update them.") Since this challenged the space occupied by the 
"accommodation" tab, that particular label has been changed to "places to 
stay".

In the "tracks and talks" section, I've removed the announcement pages, 
placing them in a new section ("announcements"), and then hiding that section 
in order to remove those links at the bottom of the "tracks and talks" page. 
Sorry if there was an easier way, but I did check to see if anyone known to 
Google was deep-linking to those pages: my sensors detect that no-one was.

Comments are welcome, as always, and special attention should be paid to the 
dates listed in the calendar as this was the focus of much of the IRC 
discussion.

Paul

From simon at arrowtheory.com  Tue May 16 03:52:55 2006
From: simon at arrowtheory.com (Simon Burton)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:52:55 +1000
Subject: [EuroPython] Refereed Paper Track
Message-ID: <20060516115255.790bccaa.simon@arrowtheory.com>


While this is horribly late, I would still like to submit this abstract for
consideration in the Refereed Paper Track:


==========================================================================

PyJIT: dynamic code generation from runtime data

Pyjit uses llvm to create executable code at runtime.
It handles conversion to SSA form, and has a parser that accepts
a small subset of the python AST, including basic control flow.
Pyjit provides significant speed-ups versus compiled code, 
by reducing memory bandwidth use and simplifying the executable code.
We demonstrate applications in: array processing and matrix free methods, 
tree structures for machine learning, and optimization techniques using
interval arithmetic.

==========================================================================


Simon Burton
National ICT Australia
http://nicta.com.au/


-- 
Simon Burton, B.Sc.
Licensed PO Box 8066
ANU Canberra 2601
Australia
Ph. 61 02 6249 6940
http://arrowtheory.com 

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Tue May 16 10:52:01 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:52:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Web site additions
In-Reply-To: <200605152328.00877.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200605152328.00877.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <A2941A7C-9ECC-4B24-9EE0-375EE5E6EE54@cern.ch>

Hi Paul,

do you can add the information about the early bird deadline to
http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues

Thanks
Benedikt


On May 15, 2006, at 11:28 PM, Paul Boddie wrote:

> Hello,
>
> The more inquisitive among you will have noticed that, thanks to  
> the technical
> wizardry of Jean-Marc Orliaguet, we now have a "calendar" tab on the
> EuroPython front page, inspired by the PyCon "event calendar" but  
> without the
> same friendly greeting ("The days in the following table are wrong;  
> we need
> to update them.") Since this challenged the space occupied by the
> "accommodation" tab, that particular label has been changed to  
> "places to
> stay".
>
> In the "tracks and talks" section, I've removed the announcement  
> pages,
> placing them in a new section ("announcements"), and then hiding  
> that section
> in order to remove those links at the bottom of the "tracks and  
> talks" page.
> Sorry if there was an easier way, but I did check to see if anyone  
> known to
> Google was deep-linking to those pages: my sensors detect that no- 
> one was.
>
> Comments are welcome, as always, and special attention should be  
> paid to the
> dates listed in the calendar as this was the focus of much of the IRC
> discussion.
>
> Paul
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Tue May 16 10:56:10 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:56:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
Message-ID: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>

Hi all,

should we put photos of Alan Kay and Guido on the website?

Cheers
Benedikt


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue May 16 11:02:00 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:02:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605160202x41ed7793m9f54af880c8f44d6@mail.gmail.com>

Why not?. But both are, different from Heidi Klum, rather prominent for
their works then for their looks. Maybe additional links to the wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_rossum

are even more helpfull, too?


Harald
On 5/16/06, Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> should we put photos of Alan Kay and Guido on the website?
>
> Cheers
> Benedikt
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>


-- 
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persuadere et programmare
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From mwh at python.net  Tue May 16 11:20:33 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 10:20:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch> (Benedikt
	Hegner's message of "Tue, 16 May 2006 10:56:10 +0200")
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <2m7j4m8gwu.fsf@starship.python.net>

Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:

> Hi all,
>
> should we put photos of Alan Kay and Guido on the website?

I tried, and ran in to what looked like CPS bugs but I didn't really
dig.  It's a good idea :)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  For every complex problem, there is a solution that is simple,
  neat, and wrong.                                    -- H. L. Mencken

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Tue May 16 11:21:01 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:21:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605160202x41ed7793m9f54af880c8f44d6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<7be3f35d0605160202x41ed7793m9f54af880c8f44d6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <908F7C6C-2E39-487B-8269-FC3FDBB9BFCE@cern.ch>


> Why not?. But both are, different from Heidi Klum, rather prominent  
> for their works then for their looks. Maybe additional links to the  
> wikipedia
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_rossum
>
> are even more helpfull, too?

Good idea.

I have another idea about the site. Why is the "Sprints & Wiki page"  
not just called "Sprints"? It is only about sprints and the sprint  
wiki. So where is the attendee wiki part in the links on http:// 
www.europython.org/sections/sprints_and_wiki ?
And here again (like in Tracks&Talks) the structure could be changed.  
"Sprint times and loc" + "propose a sprint" on one page with a  
structure like:
- What is a sprint
- Propose a sprint
- Get information about planned sprints
(even if point 1 and 2 would link to the same page)

Benedikt
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From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 16 11:48:34 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 11:48:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <2m7j4m8gwu.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<2m7j4m8gwu.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <44699FF2.30500@chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Benedikt Hegner <benedikt.hegner at cern.ch> writes:
>
>   
>> Hi all,
>>
>> should we put photos of Alan Kay and Guido on the website?
>>     
>
> I tried, and ran in to what looked like CPS bugs but I didn't really
> dig.  It's a good idea :)
>
> Cheers,
> mwh
>
>   
gee, I'm upgrading to CPS3-4 final
cheers
/JM


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 16 12:31:02 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:31:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <908F7C6C-2E39-487B-8269-FC3FDBB9BFCE@cern.ch>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<7be3f35d0605160202x41ed7793m9f54af880c8f44d6@mail.gmail.com>
	<908F7C6C-2E39-487B-8269-FC3FDBB9BFCE@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 11:21, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_rossum
> >
> > are even more helpfull, too?

I'll add the text Michael proposed for Alan Kay, and will try and track down 
decent photos.

> I have another idea about the site. Why is the "Sprints & Wiki page"
> not just called "Sprints"? It is only about sprints and the sprint
> wiki. So where is the attendee wiki part in the links on http://
> www.europython.org/sections/sprints_and_wiki ?
> And here again (like in Tracks&Talks) the structure could be changed.
> "Sprint times and loc" + "propose a sprint" on one page with a
> structure like:
> - What is a sprint
> - Propose a sprint
> - Get information about planned sprints
> (even if point 1 and 2 would link to the same page)

I've simplified this, even finding out how to hide the original "propose a 
sprint" and "sprint times" pages, although it may be useful to delete those 
in order to remove them from the menu.

In addition, I've put attendee Wiki information on the registration page, 
because I imagine that once people register they might be inclined to look at 
the Wiki a bit more, possibly announcing their attendance or adding some 
questions.

Paul

From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 16 12:36:37 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:36:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>	<7be3f35d0605160202x41ed7793m9f54af880c8f44d6@mail.gmail.com>	<908F7C6C-2E39-487B-8269-FC3FDBB9BFCE@cern.ch>
	<200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4469AB35.6040702@chalmers.se>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 11:21, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>   
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Kay
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guido_van_rossum
>>>
>>> are even more helpfull, too?
>>>       
>
> I'll add the text Michael proposed for Alan Kay, and will try and track down 
> decent photos.
>
>   

I've upgraded - photos can be added now:
http://www.europython.org/sections/events/keynotes/keynote-speakers

create a "web document" instead of an "event" if you want several 
pictures / text combos in the document layout.

Cheers
/JM

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue May 16 13:06:46 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:06:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update registration information
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605160406n654dc44epd8cd5cb0ee92e4e@mail.gmail.com>

*


Registration opening day:* 12 January 2006  *Registration deadline:* 30 May
2006
Please also change the "registration will open soon", and the dates on
indico... registration opened on 2005-05-16, not 2006-01-12

on calendar we have

   - 26th June: Online registration closes

http://www.europython.org/sections/calendar

Please synchronize data :)

Harald

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 16 13:23:13 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:23:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605160402l311979ey31e8aefe6083a097@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<7be3f35d0605160402l311979ey31e8aefe6083a097@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605161323.13142.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On the subject of keynotes, which one will happen first? Guido or Alan? Or is 
this to be discussed further. I intend to replicate the form of the PyCon 
keynotes page...

http://us.pycon.org/zope/original/pycon/pastevents/dc2005/talks/keynote

...but with the more detailed biography text that Michael provided.

Paul

P.S. I also noticed that the sponsorship information (seemingly dating back to 
2004) mentions the opportunity for sponsors to have pre-keynote 
presentations. Is this still feasible?

From amelbye at trolltech.com  Tue May 16 12:50:18 2006
From: amelbye at trolltech.com (Anders Melbye)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 12:50:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship at Europython 2006
Message-ID: <OF475BDF9F.F0E1EE65-ONC1257170.003948C6-C1257170.003CCC15@trolltech.com>


Hi,

Trolltech in collaboration with 2 partners are working together on the
marketing of 'Agile Application Development with Python and Qt'. The PyQt
extension is language is a crucial part of this RAD approach.

We are thinking of sponsoring your event, but first I need to resolve a few
issues. I would appreciate if you could get back to me as soon as possible
with answers to my questions below:

- Can we be an exhibitor without sponsoring the event, or do we have to
sponsor the event in order to exhibit?
- In your 'Important Dates' section, the deadline for submitting
abstracts/talk proposals it's not entirely clear: Is it May 15 or May 31?
- Is it too late to submit a refereed abstract (even though the deadline
was May 5)?
- How many words should the abstracts/talk proposals have (is it 200 words
for "ordinary" abstracts as well)?
- Are there any other sponsors per today?
- How many attended the Europython 2005?
- Could you send me more information about the conference (brochures etc)
- Do sponsors get access to registration lists?

Looking forward to your response.

Thanks,
Anders

Anders Melbye | amelbye at trolltech.com
Partner Marketing Manager | +47 2160 2739
Trolltech AS | http://www.trolltech.com/



From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 16 13:55:06 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:55:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship at Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <OF475BDF9F.F0E1EE65-ONC1257170.003948C6-C1257170.003CCC15@trolltech.com>
References: <OF475BDF9F.F0E1EE65-ONC1257170.003948C6-C1257170.003CCC15@trolltech.com>
Message-ID: <4469BD9A.4010201@ita.chalmers.se>

Anders Melbye said the following on 05/16/2006 12:50 PM:
> Hi,
> 
> Trolltech in collaboration with 2 partners are working together on the
> marketing of 'Agile Application Development with Python and Qt'. The PyQt
> extension is language is a crucial part of this RAD approach.
> 
> We are thinking of sponsoring your event, but first I need to resolve a few
> issues. I would appreciate if you could get back to me as soon as possible
> with answers to my questions below:

Hello, and thank you for your interest in participating as a sponsor for 
the EPC 2006.

This mail is to acknowledge that we have received your request and will 
get back to you shortly with answers to your questions.

Sincerely,

Dario Lopez-K?sten
for the EPC

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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From mwh at python.net  Tue May 16 14:04:41 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:04:41 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <200605161323.13142.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Tue, 16 May 2006 13:23:13 +0200")
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<7be3f35d0605160402l311979ey31e8aefe6083a097@mail.gmail.com>
	<200605161323.13142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2m3bfa89ba.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On the subject of keynotes, which one will happen first? Guido or
> Alan? 

Alan.

> Or is this to be discussed further. I intend to replicate the
> form of the PyCon keynotes page...
>
> http://us.pycon.org/zope/original/pycon/pastevents/dc2005/talks/keynote
>
> ...but with the more detailed biography text that Michael provided.

Looks fine.

> Paul
>
> P.S. I also noticed that the sponsorship information (seemingly
> dating back to 2004) mentions the opportunity for sponsors to have
> pre-keynote presentations. Is this still feasible?

Probably not.  Depends how much they want to pay, let's leave it as
one of the 'special favours' you can negotiate for.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  I have *both* hands clapping, but I'm still not sure it's a sound.
  When I tried deciding if it were a sound while clapping only one
  hand, I fell off my chair.
                         -- Peter Hansen, Zen master, comp.lang.python

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 16 13:47:16 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 13:47:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <200605161323.13142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>	<200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<7be3f35d0605160402l311979ey31e8aefe6083a097@mail.gmail.com>
	<200605161323.13142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4469BBC4.7020706@ita.chalmers.se>

Paul Boddie said the following on 05/16/2006 01:23 PM:

> 
> P.S. I also noticed that the sponsorship information (seemingly dating back to 
> 2004) mentions the opportunity for sponsors to have pre-keynote 
> presentations. Is this still feasible?


I believe it was pretty much what we had last year, but there wereno 
gold sponsors that I remember.

Only Gold sponsors get a 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes, 
effectively limiting us to a maximum of 2 Gold Sponsors.

It then is just a matter of scheduling.

/dario

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Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From tziade at nuxeo.com  Tue May 16 14:16:07 2006
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?UTF-8?B?VGFyZWsgWmlhZMOp?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:16:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] PR: state your connections
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605151308w4b29b4b8g76a748f7203e98f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605151308w4b29b4b8g76a748f7203e98f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4469C287.8090008@nuxeo.com>

Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> Hello EP!
>
> Paul of Zope is willing to create a press release for our favourite
> Mid-July Conference. And before that we have to prepare the
> distribution of the message.
>
> I suggest that we p rimarely push the message to people we allready
> know who distribute it in networks.
> For an effective routing, we have to collect the networks we can reach:
>
>
> so, I can reach:
>
> confidence 100%
> - WJD (Wirtschaftsjunioren Deutschland), a chamber of Junior Chamber
> International; WJD is a Germany-spanning businnes network
> - German Python Forum / Mailinglist
> - Mercurial community
> - PostgreSQL community
> - moin moin community
>
> confidence 75%
> - BNI (a business network, guess worldwide)
> - Linux Solution Group (a Baden W?rttemberg Initiative Proposing Open
> Source Solutions for Business)
> - Linuxtag e.V. (one of Europes biggest Linux conferences)
>
>
>

I can spread the news in:

confidence 100%:

- afpy (french/zope python user group)       <- i can add a europython feed here
- linuxfr (the 'french slashdot' for linux, in some way)

confidence 75%:

many french magazine, but it is getting very late if we want it to
appear in June issues,  I think we need to hurry up
to get the press release ready.


Tarek



From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 16 14:43:22 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 14:43:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <4469BBC4.7020706@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>	<200605161231.02955.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<7be3f35d0605160402l311979ey31e8aefe6083a097@mail.gmail.com>
	<200605161323.13142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4469BBC4.7020706@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <4469C8EA.3070206@ita.chalmers.se>

Dario Lopez-K?sten said the following on 05/16/2006 01:47 PM:

> Only Gold sponsors get a 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes, 
> effectively limiting us to a maximum of 2 Gold Sponsors.
> 

FYI:
I am preparing a sliglty corrected version of the sponsorship page, 
where I have remved this 15-mintue talk thing.

/dario

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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Tue May 16 18:24:16 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 18:24:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Usage observations while registering
Message-ID: <1vdybb231km8l$.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>

Hi,

I just registered myself as a participant and noted the following "bugs":

 * The field "institution" seems to be mandantory while I think that not
all people will come to EP in the name of a company

 * Address is not mandantory, city is, though.

 * Why can I choose 9 CERN visits and multiple conference dinners? Would I
have to pay them? If yes, how expensive would that be?

 * Finally, the arival date time span is incorrect, at least the
pre-sprints begin earlier, don't they?

Kind regards,
Alexander


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 16 19:02:49 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:02:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <4469C8EA.3070206@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<4469BBC4.7020706@ita.chalmers.se>
	<4469C8EA.3070206@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605161902.49190.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 14:43, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Dario Lopez-K?sten said the following on 05/16/2006 01:47 PM:
> > Only Gold sponsors get a 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes,
> > effectively limiting us to a maximum of 2 Gold Sponsors.
>
> FYI:
> I am preparing a sliglty corrected version of the sponsorship page,
> where I have remved this 15-mintue talk thing.

I swear I saw an edited version of the page with various other adjustments, 
too, such as the removal of the "organising sponsor" option. I can't find any 
sign of this now in the update history. Have I gone mad?!

Paul

From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 16 19:28:35 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 19:28:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] keynote speakers on ep.org
In-Reply-To: <200605161902.49190.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>	<4469BBC4.7020706@ita.chalmers.se>	<4469C8EA.3070206@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200605161902.49190.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <446A0BC3.3000406@chalmers.se>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 14:43, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>   
>> Dario Lopez-K?sten said the following on 05/16/2006 01:47 PM:
>>     
>>> Only Gold sponsors get a 15 minute talk before one of the keynotes,
>>> effectively limiting us to a maximum of 2 Gold Sponsors.
>>>       
>> FYI:
>> I am preparing a sliglty corrected version of the sponsorship page,
>> where I have remved this 15-mintue talk thing.
>>     
>
> I swear I saw an edited version of the page with various other adjustments, 
> too, such as the removal of the "organising sponsor" option. I can't find any 
> sign of this now in the update history. Have I gone mad?!
>
> Paul
>   

The thing is that the original document was created in your personal 
home folder and the published version was edited afterwards directly 
without being republished. So we did a copy of it and put it back in the 
shared workspaces. I don't know how far Dario got with the newer version.

The 'edit' option in published sections is a user interface bug that 
only managers can trigger. I ought to be removed since it only causes 
documents to get out of sync.

Best
/JM


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 16 20:01:53 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:01:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship contact address (was Re: keynote speakers
	on ep.org)
In-Reply-To: <446A0BC3.3000406@chalmers.se>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<200605161902.49190.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<446A0BC3.3000406@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605162001.53383.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:28, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
> The thing is that the original document was created in your personal
> home folder and the published version was edited afterwards directly
> without being republished. So we did a copy of it and put it back in the
> shared workspaces. I don't know how far Dario got with the newer version.

Well, I hope I haven't messed things up for Dario. :-/

> The 'edit' option in published sections is a user interface bug that
> only managers can trigger. I ought to be removed since it only causes
> documents to get out of sync.

I guess you have to locate the original document and go through the publishing 
workflow, or something like that.

Anyway, I've changed the e-mail addresses on the sponsorship page to refer to 
a private list set up for the purposes of fielding sponsorship enquiries: 
europython-sponsorship at python.org. My apologies if I've inadvertently 
reverted some changes in the process of doing this.

Paul

From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 16 20:31:55 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 16 May 2006 20:31:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship contact address (was Re: keynote
 speakers on ep.org)
In-Reply-To: <200605162001.53383.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>	<200605161902.49190.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<446A0BC3.3000406@chalmers.se>
	<200605162001.53383.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <446A1A9B.702@chalmers.se>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Tuesday 16 May 2006 19:28, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>   
>> The thing is that the original document was created in your personal
>> home folder and the published version was edited afterwards directly
>> without being republished. So we did a copy of it and put it back in the
>> shared workspaces. I don't know how far Dario got with the newer version.
>>     
>
> Well, I hope I haven't messed things up for Dario. :-/
>
>   
>> The 'edit' option in published sections is a user interface bug that
>> only managers can trigger. I ought to be removed since it only causes
>> documents to get out of sync.
>>     
>
> I guess you have to locate the original document and go through the publishing 
> workflow, or something like that.
>
>   

yes, this is what we did but the version in the workspace was older than 
the one that was published. that's why.

anyway we put all the published documents under workspaces/EP2006 to 
make it easier to find them.

Cheers
/JM

From mal at egenix.com  Wed May 17 11:19:28 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:19:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <44689936.2020404@chalmers.se>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>	<200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>	<200605151659.32524.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<44689936.2020404@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <446AEAA0.1020305@egenix.com>

Now that it's apparent that EPC will indeed happen (horray !), here's
another suggestion:

Change the frontpage text to read "EuroPython 2006 is going to happen at
CERN, near Geneva in Switzerland." and remove the other "planned"
references.

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

Professional Python Services directly from the Source  (#1, May 17 2006)
>>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ...        http://www.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ...             http://zope.egenix.com/
>>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ...        http://python.egenix.com/
________________________________________________________________________
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 17 11:24:36 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:24:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <446AEAA0.1020305@egenix.com>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>
	<200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>
	<200605151659.32524.paul@boddie.org.uk> <44689936.2020404@chalmers.se>
	<446AEAA0.1020305@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605170224n1d81114ai711673cceaff984b@mail.gmail.com>

I second Marc-Andres recommendation!

And, I may humble add, please also add to the box with " See you in 2006 in
CERN <http://www.cern.ch/>, Switzerland!" in prominent letters:
"registration is open ... early bird up to 2006-05-23 ... register now..."

And again a reminder to all EPs:
Please, state your network connections for distributing the Press release


Harald

>
> Change the frontpage text to read "EuroPython 2006 is going to happen at
> CERN, near Geneva in Switzerland." and remove the other "planned"
> references.
>


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From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:29:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
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	<44689936.2020404@chalmers.se>	<446AEAA0.1020305@egenix.com>
	<7be3f35d0605170224n1d81114ai711673cceaff984b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446AED16.8010804@chalmers.se>

Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> I second Marc-Andres recommendation!
>
> And, I may humble add, please also add to the box with " See you in 
> 2006 in CERN <http://www.cern.ch/>, Switzerland!" in prominent 
> letters: "registration is open ... early bird up to 2006-05-23 ... 
> register now..."
>
> And again a reminder to all EPs:
> Please, state your network connections for distributing the Press release
>

done, please send adjustments if needed..

/JM

From mal at egenix.com  Wed May 17 11:34:25 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 11:34:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proposals for the webpage
In-Reply-To: <446AED16.8010804@chalmers.se>
References: <4AEA8F86-1508-4674-B824-310C4267B290@cern.ch>	<200605151637.50920.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<3DC6134B-ADCF-4D3E-A97D-90ED94D70A83@cern.ch>	<200605151659.32524.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<44689936.2020404@chalmers.se>	<446AEAA0.1020305@egenix.com>	<7be3f35d0605170224n1d81114ai711673cceaff984b@mail.gmail.com>
	<446AED16.8010804@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <446AEE21.9070105@egenix.com>

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>> I second Marc-Andres recommendation!
>>
>> And, I may humble add, please also add to the box with " See you in 
>> 2006 in CERN <http://www.cern.ch/>, Switzerland!" in prominent 
>> letters: "registration is open ... early bird up to 2006-05-23 ... 
>> register now..."
>>
>> And again a reminder to all EPs:
>> Please, state your network connections for distributing the Press release
>>
> 
> done, please send adjustments if needed..

Thanks ! That was a fast turn-around :-)

-- 
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 17 17:02:01 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 17:02:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder! State your connections!
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605170802l1e44b60er6be8ba5a52d16611@mail.gmail.com>

Hello dear fellow EuroPythonistas!

BIG THANK YOU to all who published their connections and networks to this
list!

We need more!

Especially:

Austria
Sweden   -- Laura! Jacob!
Belgium
Luxembourg
Italy
Spain
Poland
Turkey
Israel
New Zealand
Estonia
Lithuania
Belarus
Hungary
Bulgary
Kroatia
Serbia
Greece
Finland
Denmark

North Pole (or whatever it is called where Bea lives)

Please, state the places you can push our soon-to-have press release!
Now that registration is open we can, should and have to push it!

Thank you!!

Harald


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From lac at strakt.com  Wed May 17 18:11:24 2006
From: lac at strakt.com (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:11:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reminder! State your connections!
In-Reply-To: Message from "Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa@gmail.com> 
	of "Wed, 17 May 2006 17:02:01 +0200."
	<7be3f35d0605170802l1e44b60er6be8ba5a52d16611@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <7be3f35d0605170802l1e44b60er6be8ba5a52d16611@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200605171611.k4HGBOpc026611@theraft.strakt.com>


I can read your mail, in that my mail reader is smart enough
to decode this, but when I try to reply it comes back like this:

can you send what you want in text, pls?


I can send whatever you want done to wherever you want in 
Sweden, but i cannot talk to you like this in mail if
you send your messages encoded.

Laura

In a message of Wed, 17 May 2006 17:02:01 +0200, "Harald Armin Massa" writes:
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 17 18:22:15 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:22:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] testmail
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605170922p4e7e9d83v83f4dd3bfacedc3f@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry Foks,

I have no idea how I did manage to get my messages encoded in base64
as the get to the message list;
and I agree that that is rather .. disturbing. So, this is a
testmessage to see if gmail is still able to send plain text...

Harald

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Harald Armin Massa
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70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Wed May 17 18:26:52 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Wed, 17 May 2006 18:26:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship contact address (was Re: keynote
	speakers on ep.org)
In-Reply-To: <446A1A9B.702@chalmers.se>
References: <C48D7067-9172-4373-923E-36ED8782FBF1@cern.ch>
	<200605162001.53383.paul@boddie.org.uk> <446A1A9B.702@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605171826.52921.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 16 May 2006 20:31, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
>
> yes, this is what we did but the version in the workspace was older than
> the one that was published. that's why.

Well, when Dario is happy with the revised document, he can probably submit 
it, I guess. I changed the e-mails on the version in the workspace, too.

> anyway we put all the published documents under workspaces/EP2006 to
> make it easier to find them.

Probably a good idea. If I understand you, anything that's published should be 
edited there and then re-submitted.

Paul

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu May 18 07:56:21 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:56:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] testmail
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605170922p4e7e9d83v83f4dd3bfacedc3f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605170922p4e7e9d83v83f4dd3bfacedc3f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446C0C85.4080400@ita.chalmers.se>

Harald Armin Massa said the following on 05/17/2006 06:22 PM:
> Sorry Foks,
> 
> I have no idea how I did manage to get my messages encoded in base64
> as the get to the message list;
> and I agree that that is rather .. disturbing. So, this is a
> testmessage to see if gmail is still able to send plain text...
> 
> Harald
> 

HTML mode perhaps? Most of your other mails have been in non-monospace 
format :-). Anyway, for the record, your mails decode just fine on 
Thunderbird (on linux at least), even the non-text ones.

/dario

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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu May 18 08:16:48 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 07:16:48 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Am I registered?
Message-ID: <446C1150.60109@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi All,

Dunno who to ask so asking the list, hoping the right person will be 
reading ;-)

I _think_ I'm registered for the conference, dinner and CERN tour as 
well as submitting a talk.

Can someone confirm that I have succeeded for all of the above and tell 
me what I need to do and when? (I still haven't paid, which worries me a 
little...)

cheers,

Chris

-- 
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            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From mwh at python.net  Thu May 18 09:39:32 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 08:39:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Am I registered?
In-Reply-To: <446C1150.60109@simplistix.co.uk> (Chris Withers's message of
	"Thu, 18 May 2006 07:16:48 +0100")
References: <446C1150.60109@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2mbqtv7pe3.fsf@starship.python.net>

Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:

> Hi All,
>
> Dunno who to ask so asking the list, hoping the right person will be 
> reading ;-)
>
> I _think_ I'm registered for the conference, dinner and CERN tour as 
> well as submitting a talk.

Yep.

> Can someone confirm that I have succeeded for all of the above and tell 
> me what I need to do and when? (I still haven't paid, which worries me a 
> little...)

Well, you *should* get an email from someone at CERN explaining how
you can pay any day now...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  : exploding like a turd
  Never had that happen to me, I have to admit.  They do that
  often in your world?              -- Eric The Read & Dave Brown, asr

From paul at zeapartners.org  Thu May 18 10:37:35 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:37:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Mechanisms for organizing the tracks
Message-ID: <9A598ABE-F968-42F0-96F7-DB20517F5C8B@zeapartners.org>


Hi all.  Godefroid and I are making progress on organizing the web  
frameworks track.  Some questions:

1) The Indico system shows the timetable:

   http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceTimeTable.py?confId=44

a. Is this authoritative?

b. Does the web frameworks track one of the three parallel sessions  
for all 3 days, or does it share time with others?  (Basically we're  
trying to figure out how many slots to fill.)

c. Does it matter how we break up each 1.5 hour slot?

2) Next, for actually assigning talks to dates and times (as people  
already want to know what day they will get):

a. Does Indico have a facility for managing this?

b. If not, and Godefroid and I produce our own talk->slot results,  
how/where do we publish that?

My apologies if this has been covered before!

--Paul

From mwh at python.net  Thu May 18 10:51:08 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 09:51:08 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Mechanisms for organizing the tracks
In-Reply-To: <9A598ABE-F968-42F0-96F7-DB20517F5C8B@zeapartners.org> (Paul
	Everitt's message of "Thu, 18 May 2006 10:37:35 +0200")
References: <9A598ABE-F968-42F0-96F7-DB20517F5C8B@zeapartners.org>
Message-ID: <2m7j4j7m2r.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Everitt <paul at zeapartners.org> writes:

> Hi all.  Godefroid and I are making progress on organizing the web  
> frameworks track.  Some questions:
>
> 1) The Indico system shows the timetable:
>
>    http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceTimeTable.py?confId=44
>
> a. Is this authoritative?

No.

> b. Does the web frameworks track one of the three parallel sessions  
> for all 3 days, or does it share time with others?  (Basically we're  
> trying to figure out how many slots to fill.)

This is usually the result of a ding-dong between the various track
chairs after the submission deadline... hoy many slots can you fill?
:)

> c. Does it matter how we break up each 1.5 hour slot?

Well, we usually aim for 30-30-30 splits or 60-30 splits and not 45-45
splits

> 2) Next, for actually assigning talks to dates and times (as people  
> already want to know what day they will get):
>
> a. Does Indico have a facility for managing this?

Yes, but I don't know if you have to be a manager to see/use it.

> b. If not, and Godefroid and I produce our own talk->slot results,  
> how/where do we publish that?

Email to me?

> My apologies if this has been covered before!

No, we need to start sorting this out!

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  BUGS   Never use this function.  This function modifies its first
         argument.   The  identity  of  the delimiting character is
         lost.  This function cannot be used on constant strings.
                                    -- the glibc manpage for strtok(3)

From arigo at tunes.org  Thu May 18 10:55:01 2006
From: arigo at tunes.org (Armin Rigo)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:55:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship at Europython 2006
In-Reply-To: <OF475BDF9F.F0E1EE65-ONC1257170.003948C6-C1257170.003CCC15@trolltech.com>
References: <OF475BDF9F.F0E1EE65-ONC1257170.003948C6-C1257170.003CCC15@trolltech.com>
Message-ID: <20060518085501.GA24165@code0.codespeak.net>

Hi,

On Tue, May 16, 2006 at 12:50:18PM +0200, Anders Melbye wrote:
> - Is it too late to submit a refereed abstract (even though the deadline
> was May 5)?

Independently of the deadline, I would not necessarily recommend the
Refereed papers track for this; I am sure that you would meet a more
interested public in more than one other track.  Refereed is more
focused on very technical research-y topics.


A bientot,

Armin

From paul at zeapartners.org  Thu May 18 10:59:16 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 10:59:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Mechanisms for organizing the tracks
In-Reply-To: <2m7j4j7m2r.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <9A598ABE-F968-42F0-96F7-DB20517F5C8B@zeapartners.org>
	<2m7j4j7m2r.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <68E15CE4-FEB4-4DCE-8882-AD3696C689CB@zeapartners.org>


Thanks for the fast answers!  We'll stick to the 30-30-30 or 60-30  
slots as you've described.

--Paul

On May 18, 2006, at 10:51 AM, Michael Hudson wrote:

> Paul Everitt <paul at zeapartners.org> writes:
>
>> Hi all.  Godefroid and I are making progress on organizing the web
>> frameworks track.  Some questions:
>>
>> 1) The Indico system shows the timetable:
>>
>>    http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceTimeTable.py?confId=44
>>
>> a. Is this authoritative?
>
> No.
>
>> b. Does the web frameworks track one of the three parallel sessions
>> for all 3 days, or does it share time with others?  (Basically we're
>> trying to figure out how many slots to fill.)
>
> This is usually the result of a ding-dong between the various track
> chairs after the submission deadline... hoy many slots can you fill?
> :)
>
>> c. Does it matter how we break up each 1.5 hour slot?
>
> Well, we usually aim for 30-30-30 splits or 60-30 splits and not 45-45
> splits
>
>> 2) Next, for actually assigning talks to dates and times (as people
>> already want to know what day they will get):
>>
>> a. Does Indico have a facility for managing this?
>
> Yes, but I don't know if you have to be a manager to see/use it.
>
>> b. If not, and Godefroid and I produce our own talk->slot results,
>> how/where do we publish that?
>
> Email to me?
>
>> My apologies if this has been covered before!
>
> No, we need to start sorting this out!
>
> Cheers,
> mwh
>
> -- 
>   BUGS   Never use this function.  This function modifies its first
>          argument.   The  identity  of  the delimiting character is
>          lost.  This function cannot be used on constant strings.
>                                     -- the glibc manpage for strtok(3)
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 18 12:07:23 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:07:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] we need more routers for our PR
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605180307s7f463c1bufba33bdc8b54fef6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello fellow Europyhtonistas,

the good news first:
distribution of our Press Release for Sweden is solved. So there are only left:

Austria -- kennt jemand Gerold Penz?
Belgium  -- Amaze?
Luxembourg
Italy -- Mr. Simonato?
Spain  ???
Poland
Turkey
Israel
New Zealand
Estonia
Lithuania
Belarus
Hungary
Bulgary
Kroatia
Serbia
Greece
Finland
Denmark

North Pole (or whatever it is called where Bea lives)

Please, post your routing information to the list!

Thanks,

Harald

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Harald Armin Massa
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70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
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From asouzaleite at gmx.de  Thu May 18 12:38:46 2006
From: asouzaleite at gmx.de (Aroldo Souza-Leite)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:38:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] any tasks left?
Message-ID: <446C4EB6.2060709@gmx.de>

Dear europys,

a vague feeling of happiness tells me that I'm probably registered as a 
participant now (I'll pay in cash, check or card as soon as I'm allowed 
to). Only the list of tracks on the confirmation e-mail came out all 
marked with "no" from top to bottom, but I'm confident that, by doing 
so, that friendly computer is just granting me the absolute freedom to 
hop from one track to the next as I feel like.

And behind the technical clouds I envisage a flock of heroic pixies 
making this conference happen. Thanks!

In spite of my unexcusable paralysis hitherto, I want to be in the 
number when all the saints go marching in:

I'm arriving in Geneva on  Sat, July 1st and could:
- help Benedikt and colleagues in reception, telephone or paper-pushing 
jobs (proficiently in German/English/Portuguese) or furniture-carrying 
in various languages human and animal, before, during and after the 
conference.
- help anyone coordinate a track (Education/Teaching is my favourite, 
but it could be something else)
- bus coffee and biscuits around the place
- etc

I'd also be happy to do anything I am able to do now, in the foreground 
of the conference, if the technical abilities required are mild. I'll be 
reading this mailinglist to see where I can jump in, but if anyone has 
an idea, please just ask.


Cheers.

Aroldo.  








From gotcha at bubblenet.be  Thu May 18 12:46:21 2006
From: gotcha at bubblenet.be (Godefroid Chapelle)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:46:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Report [EuroPython 2006 Call for Papers,
	Deadline May 31]
Message-ID: <446C507D.6020707@bubblenet.be>

Hi,

Find hereunder the text sent to web-SIG, zope-announce, plone-announce 
and to various framework head developers to ask for more talks.

We'll submit a news item on plone.org as well.

--
Godefroid


> EuroPython 2006 (http://europython.org) is coming up soon, and this year 
> we have a special twist.  To promote sharing and learning between Python 
> web frameworks, and to flat out have more fun, the Zope track was merged 
> into a larger Python web frameworks track.
> 
> Highlights so far for the track:
> 
>   o Keynote by Kevin Dangoor, creator of TurboGears, on the state of 
> sharing in
>   Python web frameworks
> 
>   o Talks on Zope, Django, TurboGears, MoinMoin, and more
> 
>   o Initial planning on a Python web framework "bakeoff" session
> 
> Want to submit a talk?  We'd love to hear from you.  If you're 
> interested, visit the talk proposal page before May 31 :
> 
> http://www.europython.org/sections/tracks_and_talks
> 
> Remember, the better you write your abstract, the more likely you'll get 
> selected.
> 
> -- 
> Paul Everitt - Zea Partners http://zeapartners.org
> Godefroid Chapelle - BubbleNet  http://bubblenet.be
> 




From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 18 13:04:16 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:04:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] any tasks left?
In-Reply-To: <446C4EB6.2060709@gmx.de>
References: <446C4EB6.2060709@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605180404g70f08db8j5ab20b6b1ceb81f@mail.gmail.com>

Aroldo,

do you have any network connections to Portugal, so you can
communicate our Press Release to Portugal?

besides Portugal we are additionally missing connections to:

Austria
Belgium
Luxembourg
Italy
Spain
Poland
Turkey
Israel
New Zealand
Estonia
Lithuania
Belarus
Hungary
Bulgary
Kroatia
Serbia
Greece
Finland
Denmark

do you know Pythonistas there?

Thank you very much for your offer to help,

best wishes

Harald


-- 
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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
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From david at boddie.org.uk  Thu May 18 13:20:56 2006
From: david at boddie.org.uk (david at boddie.org.uk)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 13:20:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Registration page
Message-ID: <200605181320.56749.david@boddie.org.uk>

There's a problem with the Registration page on the Indico server at CERN:

   http://indico.cern.ch/confRegistrationFormDisplay.py?confId=44

There's a link to the Registration form on this page that's a bit broken (it
has a space in it). I guess that people who have already registered arrived
at the form via another route.

Should I send corrections like these to the indico-support address or
to someone in particular?

David

From mwh at python.net  Thu May 18 13:48:05 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 12:48:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Registration page
In-Reply-To: <200605181320.56749.david@boddie.org.uk> (david@boddie.org.uk's
	message of "Thu, 18 May 2006 13:20:56 +0200")
References: <200605181320.56749.david@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2m3bf77dvu.fsf@starship.python.net>

david at boddie.org.uk writes:

> There's a problem with the Registration page on the Indico server at CERN:
>
>    http://indico.cern.ch/confRegistrationFormDisplay.py?confId=44
>
> There's a link to the Registration form on this page that's a bit broken (it
> has a space in it). I guess that people who have already registered arrived
> at the form via another route.

Looks alright to me?

> Should I send corrections like these to the indico-support address or
> to someone in particular?

Here is as good as anywhere, I think.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  US elections
  For those of you fearing that the rest of the world might be 
  making fun of the US because of this: Rest assured, we are.
         -- http://www.advogato.org/person/jameson/diary.html?start=12

From morten at nidelven-it.no  Thu May 18 16:27:15 2006
From: morten at nidelven-it.no (Morten W. Petersen)
Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 16:27:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Advertising sponsor
Message-ID: <446C8443.7020406@nidelven-it.no>

Hi,

we would like to be an advertising sponsor for Europython (100 Euros).
How should we proceed to become one?

Regards,

Morten

From asouzaleite at gmx.de  Fri May 19 13:35:41 2006
From: asouzaleite at gmx.de (Aroldo Souza-Leite)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:35:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] any tasks left?
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605180404g70f08db8j5ab20b6b1ceb81f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446C4EB6.2060709@gmx.de>
	<7be3f35d0605180404g70f08db8j5ab20b6b1ceb81f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446DAD8D.8020106@gmx.de>

Hi Harald,

Last year in G?teborg the Education track enjoyed also Brazilian 
contributions and  a few other Brasizilians had made their way to Sweden 
for Sprints and such.  I'll be gathering a list of Brazilian and 
Portuguese addresses this weekend.

Cheers.

Aroldo.

Harald Armin Massa schrieb:

> Aroldo,
>
> do you have any network connections to Portugal, so you can
> communicate our Press Release to Portugal?
>
> besides Portugal we are additionally missing connections to:
>
> Austria
> Belgium
> Luxembourg
> Italy
> Spain
> Poland
> Turkey
> Israel
> New Zealand
> Estonia
> Lithuania
> Belarus
> Hungary
> Bulgary
> Kroatia
> Serbia
> Greece
> Finland
> Denmark
>
> do you know Pythonistas there?
>
> Thank you very much for your offer to help,
>
> best wishes
>
> Harald
>
>


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 19 13:40:29 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:40:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] any tasks left?
In-Reply-To: <446DAD8D.8020106@gmx.de>
References: <446C4EB6.2060709@gmx.de>
	<7be3f35d0605180404g70f08db8j5ab20b6b1ceb81f@mail.gmail.com>
	<446DAD8D.8020106@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605190440y7ae03d9bp5a3e4cfd9f1503dd@mail.gmail.com>

Aroldo,

that is great news, thank you! I think EuroPython has an "travelling
advantage" for Worldinhabitants less USA, because of the less
stressfull immegration procedure.

But Switzerland can be challenging, too....

Harald

-- 
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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Fri May 19 13:42:07 2006
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 13:42:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] any tasks left?
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605180404g70f08db8j5ab20b6b1ceb81f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <446C4EB6.2060709@gmx.de>
	<7be3f35d0605180404g70f08db8j5ab20b6b1ceb81f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f89206d80605190442x260f4d1cwe038a8bb5cab2352@mail.gmail.com>

2006/5/18, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
> Aroldo,
>
> do you have any network connections to Portugal, so you can
> communicate our Press Release to Portugal?
>
> besides Portugal we are additionally missing connections to:
>
> Belgium

I can take care for French speaking Belgium included Brussels

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From david at boddie.org.uk  Fri May 19 15:47:50 2006
From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 15:47:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-conference sprints and accommodation requests
Message-ID: <200605191547.50378.david@boddie.org.uk>

As seen on the PythonInfo Wiki (http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2006):

> Hmm, the pre-conference sprint doesn't seem to be backed by the hostel - I
> could not book my room because there were just contigents for the
> conference time frame. Will there be pre-conference sprints at all?
> -- AlexanderSchremmer 2006-05-19 08:25:09   

Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about pre-conference
accommodation and sprints?

David

From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Fri May 19 16:46:22 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 16:46:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-conference sprints and accommodation requests
References: <200605191547.50378.david@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2whdvtp7c3ft.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>

On Fri, 19 May 2006 15:47:50 +0200, David Boddie wrote:

>[I wrote:]

>> Hmm, the pre-conference sprint doesn't seem to be backed by the hostel

> Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about pre-conference
> accommodation and sprints?

I sent a mail to Benedikt, let's see if he has an answer ;-)

Kind regards,
Alexander


From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Fri May 19 17:02:40 2006
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:02:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-conference sprints and accommodation requests
In-Reply-To: <2whdvtp7c3ft.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
References: <200605191547.50378.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2whdvtp7c3ft.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
Message-ID: <f89206d80605190802p299dc7eblcf81ea79058d93ad@mail.gmail.com>

2006/5/19, Alexander Schremmer <2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de>:

> > Does anyone have any suggestions or advice about pre-conference
> > accommodation and sprints?
>
> I sent a mail to Benedikt, let's see if he has an answer ;-)

In order to book a room in the CERN hotel, I have last week sent
request for info and prices at the recommended email address at CERN
but I have so far received no answer and I am a little worried.

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri May 19 17:09:45 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 17:09:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Pre-conference sprints and accommodation requests
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80605190802p299dc7eblcf81ea79058d93ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200605191547.50378.david@boddie.org.uk>
	<2whdvtp7c3ft.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
	<f89206d80605190802p299dc7eblcf81ea79058d93ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605191709.45899.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 19 May 2006 17:02, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
>
> In order to book a room in the CERN hotel, I have last week sent
> request for info and prices at the recommended email address at CERN
> but I have so far received no answer and I am a little worried.

This is the site for the CERN Housing Service (as you probably know):

http://housing-service.web.cern.ch/housing-service/

The mail address for the reception (cern.hostel at cern.ch) should put you in 
contact with them.

I was planning on just trying to extend my stay by a day once I got there, 
since the range of dates listed on the form doesn't cover my departure, but 
obviously an early arrival demands some action in advance.

Paul

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 19 22:22:03 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 19 May 2006 22:22:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] All those copy-pasted students from Macedonia
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605191322v4a04b4b7s1346a4daaf10cf00@mail.gmail.com>

Hello List,

I took the liberty to simply reject and delete all the proposals in
Business Track from Mr Copy & Paste of Macedonia.

They do not propose a talk, just why it is important for them to come
to Switzerland and which Hotel they want to stay at.

I recommend doing the same within science / refered paper.

Best wishes

Harald


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Sun May 21 01:12:51 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:12:51 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] All those copy-pasted students from Macedonia
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605191322v4a04b4b7s1346a4daaf10cf00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605191322v4a04b4b7s1346a4daaf10cf00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <446FA273.6060303@simplistix.co.uk>

Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> I took the liberty to simply reject and delete all the proposals in
> Business Track from Mr Copy & Paste of Macedonia.
> 
> They do not propose a talk, just why it is important for them to come
> to Switzerland and which Hotel they want to stay at.
> 
> I recommend doing the same within science / refered paper.

I've been doing the same with mailing list posts...

*sigh*

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Mon May 22 08:18:03 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:18:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] May not be able to attend todays meeting...
Message-ID: <4471579B.2010307@ita.chalmers.se>

hi,

it is very likely that i will not be able to atend today's meeting; my 
normal means of transportation is at home with a non-functioning brake, 
so I am forced to take the bus, which means that I will 100% not be able 
to make it home in time for the meeting.

I will still move forward with the sponsorship tasks, we have one 
sponsor that I will invoice today and another that has expressed 
interest in exhibiting.

I will send out letters today and tomorrow to the companies that we have 
had contact with previously, and will report back to the list.

The sponsorship page needs minor updating, that I will try to finish 
during the day today.

Sincerely,

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch  Mon May 22 08:31:58 2006
From: andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch (Andreas Pfeiffer)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:31:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] May not be able to attend todays meeting...
In-Reply-To: <4471579B.2010307@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4471579B.2010307@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <FB2A1DA4-0428-409B-B386-71411E155B05@cern.ch>

Hi Dario and all,

    hmm ... my calender claims this weeks meeting will be _tomorrow_
(Tue, May 23) at 1700 (CEST) ... did I miss something ?

	cheers,  andreas

On May 22, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:

> hi,
>
> it is very likely that i will not be able to atend today's meeting; my
> normal means of transportation is at home with a non-functioning  
> brake,
> so I am forced to take the bus, which means that I will 100% not be  
> able
> to make it home in time for the meeting.
>
> I will still move forward with the sponsorship tasks, we have one
> sponsor that I will invoice today and another that has expressed
> interest in exhibiting.
>
> I will send out letters today and tomorrow to the companies that we  
> have
> had contact with previously, and will report back to the list.
>
> The sponsorship page needs minor updating, that I will try to finish
> during the day today.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> /dario
>
> -- 
> -- -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
> Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
> "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From paul at zeapartners.org  Mon May 22 08:50:31 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 08:50:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] May not be able to attend todays meeting...
In-Reply-To: <FB2A1DA4-0428-409B-B386-71411E155B05@cern.ch>
References: <4471579B.2010307@ita.chalmers.se>
	<FB2A1DA4-0428-409B-B386-71411E155B05@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <40A12103-AA8E-4B98-B5AE-52B35DC193B6@zeapartners.org>


I believe you're correct.   Also, I will be traveling at that time so  
I won't make it.

--Paul

On May 22, 2006, at 8:31 AM, Andreas Pfeiffer wrote:

> Hi Dario and all,
>
>     hmm ... my calender claims this weeks meeting will be _tomorrow_
> (Tue, May 23) at 1700 (CEST) ... did I miss something ?
>
> 	cheers,  andreas
>
> On May 22, 2006, at 8:18 AM, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> it is very likely that i will not be able to atend today's  
>> meeting; my
>> normal means of transportation is at home with a non-functioning
>> brake,
>> so I am forced to take the bus, which means that I will 100% not be
>> able
>> to make it home in time for the meeting.
>>
>> I will still move forward with the sponsorship tasks, we have one
>> sponsor that I will invoice today and another that has expressed
>> interest in exhibiting.
>>
>> I will send out letters today and tomorrow to the companies that we
>> have
>> had contact with previously, and will report back to the list.
>>
>> The sponsorship page needs minor updating, that I will try to finish
>> during the day today.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> /dario
>>
>> -- 
>> --  
>> -------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of  
>> Tech.
>> Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
>> "emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b.  
>> marley
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From asouzaleite at gmx.de  Mon May 22 10:54:08 2006
From: asouzaleite at gmx.de (Aroldo Souza-Leite)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 10:54:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] searching for "europ"
Message-ID: <44717C30.8060805@gmx.de>

Hi list,

an announcement like this one (www.python.org)

----------</snip>----------------------------------
EuroPython open for registration and proposal submission
EuroPython is now open for registration and will be accepting proposals 
for talks until May 31. Early bird registration ends on the 26th of May.
----------</snap>----------------------------------

and announcements like this one
------------
http://plone.org/news/europython-2006-call-for-papers-deadline-may-31
--------------

should, in my opinion, be easily found by pressing ctrl-F and filling 
the  search field at the bottom of the mozilla-firefox window  with the 
search string "europ"  on the following sites:

ww.zope.org
www.planetpython.org
www.cps-project.org
www.zeapartners.org
www.zopera.org (French)
www.zope.de (German, Germany)
www.zope.ch (German, Switzerland)
http://www.zope.de/rzug/oesterreich (German, Austria)
www.heise.de (German, Germany)
www.gildot.org (Portuguese, Portugal )
softwarelivre.citiap.gov.pt (Portuguese, Portugal)
www.pythonbrasil.com.br (Portuguese, Brazil)
www.tchezope.org (Portuguese, Brazil)
www.vivaolinux.com.br (Portuguese, Brazil)

I'll see if I find a way to poke on some of the Portuguese language 
sites today.

Cheers.

Aroldo.


















From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May 22 12:45:52 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:45:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all Track Chairs
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605220345u3a7899a3x34418eead922939b@mail.gmail.com>

A humble requerst to all track chairs,

to have a look at their "manage my track" within indico; to reject
spams and delete them, and also to accept talks they really want.

I think it would be fair towards the speakers; and helpfull to
acquiring more participants (as of today are 55)

without even our press relase written (*wink*) or distributed ...

Harald

-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold

From paul at zeapartners.org  Mon May 22 12:57:42 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:57:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all Track Chairs
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605220345u3a7899a3x34418eead922939b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605220345u3a7899a3x34418eead922939b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD180096-5479-4367-8EB1-BA338BB1F1C7@zeapartners.org>


I'm not sure we can really accept talks at this point:

1) There are still more days left before the deadline.

2) We don't yet know how many slots to fill.

--Paul

On May 22, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> A humble requerst to all track chairs,
>
> to have a look at their "manage my track" within indico; to reject
> spams and delete them, and also to accept talks they really want.
>
> I think it would be fair towards the speakers; and helpfull to
> acquiring more participants (as of today are 55)
>
> without even our press relase written (*wink*) or distributed ...
>
> Harald
>
> -- 
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> 70197 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
> -
> PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May 22 13:02:02 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:02:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] To all Track Chairs
In-Reply-To: <DD180096-5479-4367-8EB1-BA338BB1F1C7@zeapartners.org>
References: <7be3f35d0605220345u3a7899a3x34418eead922939b@mail.gmail.com>
	<DD180096-5479-4367-8EB1-BA338BB1F1C7@zeapartners.org>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605220402u71395044ja6b1cae95ed63e37@mail.gmail.com>

Paul,

I agree that we cannot accept all submissions. But, if there are
absolute takers, like Bill Gates promissing to talk about Python as
the central management language for Windows Vista; or Linus Torwalds
about Linux 2.8 being rewritten using PyPy, (or even slightly less
absolute), we could accept these talks, and arrange the slots fitting
:)

Harald


On 5/22/06, Paul Everitt <paul at zeapartners.org> wrote:
>
> I'm not sure we can really accept talks at this point:
>
> 1) There are still more days left before the deadline.
>
> 2) We don't yet know how many slots to fill.
>
> --Paul
>
> On May 22, 2006, at 12:45 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>
> > A humble requerst to all track chairs,
> >
> > to have a look at their "manage my track" within indico; to reject
> > spams and delete them, and also to accept talks they really want.
> >
> > I think it would be fair towards the speakers; and helpfull to
> > acquiring more participants (as of today are 55)
> >
> > without even our press relase written (*wink*) or distributed ...
> >
> > Harald
> >
> > --
> > GHUM Harald Massa
> > persuadere et programmare
> > Harald Armin Massa
> > Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> > 70197 Stuttgart
> > 0173/9409607
> > -
> > PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
>
>


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Mon May 22 13:47:32 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 12:47:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006
In-Reply-To: <44479630.5000802@egenix.com>
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>
	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk>

Hi Marc-Andre,

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> 3. whether the accommodation section is going to be fleshed out, and
> 
> I've found the list of hotels on this page useful:
> 
> http://housing-service.web.cern.ch/housing-service/listhotel.html
> 
> Unfortunately that page doesn't say whether the hotels
> are within walking distance of CERN or not.
> 
> Here's a link to a map site that at least lists a few of
> the hotels on the above page:
> 
> http://link2.map24.com/?street0=Route%20Niels%20Bohr&zip0=1217&city0=Meyrin&state0=&country0=ch&name0=&lid=3d5d7d90&ol=de-de
> 
> This one is close, but also rather expensive:
> 
> http://www.nh-hotels.com/portal/page?_pageid=9,346878&_dad=porweb&_schema=PORTAL30&purl=/pls/porweb/url/page/toplevelpages/home_EN/my_corporate_nh_EN/DETALLE_HOTEL_CORP_SIN_EN&p1=nemo&p2=GENEVA&p3=p_idioma&p4=EN&nhagentid=10006&nhsubagentid=100060000000
> 
> It is listed as offering special prices for CERN visitors.

Well, I'm going to have another go at booking flights and hotels today 
or tomorrow.

Did you find a suitable hotel? Anyone else on this list find one?
(If the hotel offers discounts for CERN visitors, what do they accept as 
proof that we're visiting CERN?)

Just to recap, ideally looking for a hotel that's:

- within walking distance on the venue
- has broadband internet connectivity

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From mal at egenix.com  Mon May 22 13:58:43 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 13:58:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006
In-Reply-To: <4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com>
	<4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4471A773.9090107@egenix.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> Hi Marc-Andre,
> 
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> 3. whether the accommodation section is going to be fleshed out, and
>>
>> I've found the list of hotels on this page useful:
>>
>> http://housing-service.web.cern.ch/housing-service/listhotel.html
>>
>> Unfortunately that page doesn't say whether the hotels
>> are within walking distance of CERN or not.
>>
>> Here's a link to a map site that at least lists a few of
>> the hotels on the above page:
>>
>> http://link2.map24.com/?street0=Route%20Niels%20Bohr&zip0=1217&city0=Meyrin&state0=&country0=ch&name0=&lid=3d5d7d90&ol=de-de
>>
>>
>> This one is close, but also rather expensive:
>>
>> http://www.nh-hotels.com/portal/page?_pageid=9,346878&_dad=porweb&_schema=PORTAL30&purl=/pls/porweb/url/page/toplevelpages/home_EN/my_corporate_nh_EN/DETALLE_HOTEL_CORP_SIN_EN&p1=nemo&p2=GENEVA&p3=p_idioma&p4=EN&nhagentid=10006&nhsubagentid=100060000000
>>
>>
>> It is listed as offering special prices for CERN visitors.
> 
> Well, I'm going to have another go at booking flights and hotels today
> or tomorrow.
> 
> Did you find a suitable hotel? Anyone else on this list find one?
> (If the hotel offers discounts for CERN visitors, what do they accept as
> proof that we're visiting CERN?)

I booked the NH Geneva Airport Hotel which seems to be reasonably
close to CERN.

I've tried to contact the CERN Hostel Registration
who, according to the above page, should be the ones to ask for
the list of hotels with special prices, but they don't answer
their emails.

> Just to recap, ideally looking for a hotel that's:
> 
> - within walking distance on the venue
> - has broadband internet connectivity

Regards,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
eGenix.com

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From tug at wilson.co.uk  Mon May 22 15:14:41 2006
From: tug at wilson.co.uk (John Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:14:41 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
Message-ID: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>

Hi!

I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the  
hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)

How am I going to pay?

Cheers

	John Wilson


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 22 17:24:28 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 17:24:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
Message-ID: <200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 22 May 2006 15:14, John Wilson wrote:
>
> I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the
> hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)
>
> How am I going to pay?

My experience in the distant past involved paying afterwards at the hostel 
reception in cash. In other words, a quick trip to the ATM at the on-site 
bank and a handover of notes was performed. They may have entered the 21st 
century with support for credit card payments, but you'd have to check this 
out with them.

Paul

From aiste at pov.lt  Mon May 22 17:44:09 2006
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:44:09 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt>


> On Monday 22 May 2006 15:14, John Wilson wrote:
>> I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the
>> hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)
>>
>> How am I going to pay?

I think the reason is the following -- you only registered for the
conference and noted what kind of accommodation you would like. You
should send an email to the CERN hostel in order to book accommodation
and provide credit card details and so on directly to them.

-- 
Aiste Kesminaite
Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius
Phone: +370 6563 6462
Email: aiste at pov.lt
Web: www.pov.lt

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 22 18:05:56 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:05:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt>
Message-ID: <200605221805.56600.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 22 May 2006 17:44, Aiste Kesminaite wrote:
> > On Monday 22 May 2006 15:14, John Wilson wrote:
> >> I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the
> >> hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)
> >>
> >> How am I going to pay?
>
> I think the reason is the following -- you only registered for the
> conference and noted what kind of accommodation you would like. You
> should send an email to the CERN hostel in order to book accommodation
> and provide credit card details and so on directly to them.

My impression was that if you selected the CERN Hostel in the registration 
form, the registration would be forwarded on - otherwise, what's the idea 
with the indicator of how many places are left? If I'm wrong, then I guess 
I'll be chasing up my own reservations, but in any case this would explain 
why the hostel staff aren't replying to mails: they've been deluged with 
people trying to make a booking via e-mail, possibly when those people don't 
actually need to do so.

Paul

From aiste at pov.lt  Mon May 22 18:34:23 2006
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:34:23 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <200605221805.56600.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt> <200605221805.56600.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4471E80F.4000607@pov.lt>

> My impression was that if you selected the CERN Hostel in the registration 
> form, the registration would be forwarded on - otherwise, what's the idea 
> with the indicator of how many places are left? If I'm wrong, then I guess 
> I'll be chasing up my own reservations, but in any case this would explain 
> why the hostel staff aren't replying to mails: they've been deluged with 
> people trying to make a booking via e-mail, possibly when those people don't 
> actually need to do so.

Um... I got very prompt replies and successfully booked a room...

-- 
Aiste Kesminaite
Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius
Phone: +370 6563 6462
Email: aiste at pov.lt
Web: www.pov.lt

From tug at wilson.co.uk  Mon May 22 19:19:43 2006
From: tug at wilson.co.uk (John Wilson)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:19:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel (was: Paying
	for the conference)
In-Reply-To: <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt> <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
Message-ID: <B2E85BD0-DDDA-467B-95D3-A1B73632F408@wilson.co.uk>


On 22 May 2006, at 18:15, Steve Alexander wrote:

> Aiste Kesminaite wrote:
>>> On Monday 22 May 2006 15:14, John Wilson wrote:
>>>> I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the
>>>> hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)
>>>>
>>>> How am I going to pay?
>>
>> I think the reason is the following -- you only registered for the
>> conference and noted what kind of accommodation you would like. You
>> should send an email to the CERN hostel in order to book  
>> accommodation
>> and provide credit card details and so on directly to them.
>
> This is *insane*.
>
> When I signed up on the site, it looked a lot like I was reserving  
> a room.
>
> Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should email
> them and clear this up.  Otherwise, there will be a lot of people  
> coming
> to EuroPython, and expecting to stay at the CERN hostel, who do not  
> have
> rooms.

I have emailed the CERN Hostel folks to see if I have actually  
registered a room. I'll email an update when I have sorted this out.

John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
web http://www.wilson.co.uk
blog http://eek.ook.org



From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 22 19:19:42 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:19:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Booking rooms - important! (was Re: Paying for the
	conference)
In-Reply-To: <4471E80F.4000607@pov.lt>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<200605221805.56600.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4471E80F.4000607@pov.lt>
Message-ID: <200605221919.42217.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 22 May 2006 18:34, Aiste Kesminaite wrote:
> > My impression was that if you selected the CERN Hostel in the
> > registration form, the registration would be forwarded on - otherwise,
> > what's the idea with the indicator of how many places are left? If I'm
> > wrong, then I guess I'll be chasing up my own reservations, but in any
> > case this would explain why the hostel staff aren't replying to mails:
> > they've been deluged with people trying to make a booking via e-mail,
> > possibly when those people don't actually need to do so.
>
> Um... I got very prompt replies and successfully booked a room...

Well, I had a conversation with the hostel and clarified the following points:

* The conference did reserve a block of rooms, but there isn't any
  kind of "integration" between conference registration and room
  booking (that they know of). That counter saying that there are 2
  places left is probably just saying that n-2 people have expressed
  their intention to stay in the hostel.

* If you want to stay in the hostel, you need to actually send a mail
  (cern.hostel at cern.ch) saying that you're part of the EuroPython
  conference and that you want to book a room. Indicate your arrival
  and departure dates, and it probably helps to say if you're arriving
  after the hostel reception has closed.

* Outside the conference block of rooms, I believe they're totally
  booked up.

* Most people attending the conference have booked rooms from 2nd July
  to 6th July. Thus, there's more availability in the period afterwards
  - useful to know if you're intensively sprinting, or something.

It's a shame that some of this isn't totally explicit on the registration 
form, but I've managed to make a booking in the last few minutes, confirming 
that it can be done.

Paul

P.S. About CERN rates in local hotels, you apparently need some kind of 
official letter from your university or institution saying that you are 
visiting CERN as proof that you qualify for special rates. Apparently, the 
housing service don't get mixed up with writing to (or otherwise 
communicating with) hotels on such matters.

From steve at canonical.com  Mon May 22 19:15:51 2006
From: steve at canonical.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:15:51 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel (was: Paying for
	the conference)
In-Reply-To: <4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt>
Message-ID: <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>

Aiste Kesminaite wrote:
>> On Monday 22 May 2006 15:14, John Wilson wrote:
>>> I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the
>>> hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)
>>>
>>> How am I going to pay?
> 
> I think the reason is the following -- you only registered for the
> conference and noted what kind of accommodation you would like. You
> should send an email to the CERN hostel in order to book accommodation
> and provide credit card details and so on directly to them.

This is *insane*.

When I signed up on the site, it looked a lot like I was reserving a room.

Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should email
them and clear this up.  Otherwise, there will be a lot of people coming
to EuroPython, and expecting to stay at the CERN hostel, who do not have
rooms.

-- 
Steve Alexander

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 22 19:53:47 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 18:53:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com> (Steve Alexander's message of
	"Mon, 22 May 2006 20:15:51 +0300")
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt>
	<4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
Message-ID: <2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>

Steve Alexander <steve at canonical.com> writes:

> Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should email
> them and clear this up.

FWIW, this is extremely easy to do with Indico.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  Considering that this thread is completely on-topic in the way only
  c.l.py threads can be, I think I can say that you should replace
  "Oblivion" with "Gravity", and increase your Radiohead quotient.
                                      -- Ben Wolfson, comp.lang.python

From jacob at strakt.com  Mon May 22 20:05:23 2006
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:05:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
	<2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200605222005.26393.jacob@strakt.com>

On Monday 22 May 2006 19:53, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Steve Alexander <steve at canonical.com> writes:
> > Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should email
> > them and clear this up.
>
> FWIW, this is extremely easy to do with Indico.

Talking about emailing, shouldn't there be information emails going out to all 
of last years attendees. I can send a list of email addresses to whoever is 
responsible for this form of PR.

Jacob

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Mon May 22 20:10:20 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 20:10:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
	<2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200605222010.20466.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Monday 22 May 2006 19:53, Michael Hudson wrote:
> Steve Alexander <steve at canonical.com> writes:
> > Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should email
> > them and clear this up.
>
> FWIW, this is extremely easy to do with Indico.

Can whoever has the power of Indico sort this out? The hostel people regarded 
reservations as a matter of the attendees themselves making their bookings 
directly, mentioning EuroPython in order to get into the conference block of 
rooms. I specifically asked them whether the intention is (or had been) for 
them to get (or be sent) a list of attendees from the conference registration 
system, and the answer was a negative one.

For what it's worth, I've updated europython.org with clarifications on this 
matter because I found that my expectations were somewhat inconsistent with 
the actual situation.

Paul

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 22 20:15:06 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 19:15:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <200605222005.26393.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Mon, 22 May 2006 20:05:23
	+0200")
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com> <2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200605222005.26393.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mvery3p05.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:

> On Monday 22 May 2006 19:53, Michael Hudson wrote:
>> Steve Alexander <steve at canonical.com> writes:
>> > Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should email
>> > them and clear this up.
>>
>> FWIW, this is extremely easy to do with Indico.
>
> Talking about emailing, shouldn't there be information emails going out to all 
> of last years attendees.

Yes, probably.

> I can send a list of email addresses to whoever is responsible for
> this form of PR.

Well, Paul Everitt promised to write a press release I think...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
6. Symmetry is a complexity-reducing concept (co-routines include
   subroutines); seek it everywhere.
  -- Alan Perlis, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html

From brian at sweetapp.com  Tue May 23 11:21:52 2006
From: brian at sweetapp.com (Brian Quinlan)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 11:21:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Hostel + Payment
Message-ID: <4472D430.5060100@sweetapp.com>

Hi,

I registered yesterday (Brian Quinlan). I have a few questions:

I specified that I was staying in the hostel. Does that mean that a room 
has been reserved for me? Or do I have to contact the hostel myself? 
Can I choose whether I want a single room or one with two beds or are 
they all single rooms? Also, how do I pay?

Cheers,
Brian

From steve at canonical.com  Tue May 23 12:04:55 2006
From: steve at canonical.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:04:55 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <B2E85BD0-DDDA-467B-95D3-A1B73632F408@wilson.co.uk>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt> <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
	<B2E85BD0-DDDA-467B-95D3-A1B73632F408@wilson.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4472DE47.8000000@canonical.com>

John Wilson wrote:
> 
> I have emailed the CERN Hostel folks to see if I have actually
> registered a room. I'll email an update when I have sorted this out.

I too emailed the CERN Hostel yesterday.  No response yet.

-- 
Steve Alexander


From faassen at infrae.com  Tue May 23 13:35:49 2006
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 13:35:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4472F395.9060705@infrae.com>

John Wilson wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I registered for the conference and booked accommodation in the  
> hostel. However i wasn't asked for credit card details:)
> 
> How am I going to pay?

I see a whole discussion about paying for the hostel (which indeed 
should be made significantly more clear), but does anyone know what we 
need to do to pay for the conference proper?

Regards,

Martijn

From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 23 15:08:46 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:08:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] early bird registration?
Message-ID: <4473095E.5050000@chalmers.se>

for info, according to the calendar early bird registration closes on 
the 26th of May.
I updated the information front page box.

/JM


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 23 15:45:50 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 15:45:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <4472F395.9060705@infrae.com>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4472F395.9060705@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <200605231545.50774.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 23 May 2006 13:35, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>
> I see a whole discussion about paying for the hostel (which indeed
> should be made significantly more clear), but does anyone know what we
> need to do to pay for the conference proper?

On this topic, I think I might to be able to answer correctly first time. For 
those not paying via WorldPay, which may be everyone up to this point, they 
are supposed to be getting an e-mail with payment details, specifically bank 
transfer information. I don't know when this will be sent out.

Paul

From steve at canonical.com  Tue May 23 15:51:55 2006
From: steve at canonical.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:51:55 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <4472DE47.8000000@canonical.com>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt> <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
	<B2E85BD0-DDDA-467B-95D3-A1B73632F408@wilson.co.uk>
	<4472DE47.8000000@canonical.com>
Message-ID: <4473137B.9080404@canonical.com>

Steve Alexander wrote:
> John Wilson wrote:
>> I have emailed the CERN Hostel folks to see if I have actually
>> registered a room. I'll email an update when I have sorted this out.
> 
> I too emailed the CERN Hostel yesterday.  No response yet.

I just phoned the CERN Hostel.  They received my email and will reply to
 it soon with confirmation and details of how I can pay.

-- 
Steve Alexander



From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Tue May 23 16:03:56 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 16:03:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Paying for the conference
In-Reply-To: <200605231545.50774.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4472F395.9060705@infrae.com>
	<200605231545.50774.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <50F8F2C9-51D2-4368-9090-5B446AF525D7@cern.ch>

On May 23, 2006, at 3:45 PM, Paul Boddie wrote:

> On Tuesday 23 May 2006 13:35, Martijn Faassen wrote:
>>
>> I see a whole discussion about paying for the hostel (which indeed
>> should be made significantly more clear), but does anyone know  
>> what we
>> need to do to pay for the conference proper?
>
> On this topic, I think I might to be able to answer correctly first  
> time. For
> those not paying via WorldPay, which may be everyone up to this  
> point, they
> are supposed to be getting an e-mail with payment details,  
> specifically bank
> transfer information. I don't know when this will be sent out.
the information to the registered participants will go out tomorrow.  
Then I have time to check every single one.

Cheers
Benedikt

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 23 17:30:00 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:30:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <4473137B.9080404@canonical.com>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4472DE47.8000000@canonical.com> <4473137B.9080404@canonical.com>
Message-ID: <200605231730.00717.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 23 May 2006 15:51, Steve Alexander wrote:
>
> I just phoned the CERN Hostel.  They received my email and will reply to
>  it soon with confirmation and details of how I can pay.

In the confirmation I received, it mentioned that I had to provide a credit 
card number in order to absolutely confirm the reservation, although since 
I'm arriving late (ie. after the reception closes on Sunday 2nd July), it 
*may* have been possible to avoid providing card details until after arrival.

The helpful hostel reception took my card details over the telephone - I'm 
somewhat wary of giving that kind of information out over the Internet in 
unencrypted form (and I don't know what CERN's encrypted e-mail support is 
like).

Given that this procedure isn't totally obvious, I'm inclined to mention it on 
the europython.org site, for those yet to complete their booking process.

Paul

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Tue May 23 17:35:46 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 17:35:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update of sponsorship page done
Message-ID: <44732BD2.2030609@ita.chalmers.se>

could someone please do a quick check and then publish it? I am not 
familiar with teh porper way just yet.

The non-published page I am referring to is at 
http://www.europython.org/workspaces/ep-2006/sponsorship

Thanks,

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 23 18:25:33 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:25:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update of sponsorship page done
In-Reply-To: <44732BD2.2030609@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <44732BD2.2030609@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605231825.33259.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 23 May 2006 17:35, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> could someone please do a quick check and then publish it? I am not
> familiar with teh porper way just yet.
>
> The non-published page I am referring to is at
> http://www.europython.org/workspaces/ep-2006/sponsorship

I've published it now, unpublishing the previous revision, and I've made the 
sponsorship section appear in the sitemap because I believe the only way to 
get to the sponsorship page otherwise was via the banner which now leads 
visitors to an existing sponsor. That said, it's still pretty hard to find 
the sponsorship page even if the section is now visible. Perhaps a front page 
adjustment is in order...

Paul

From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 23 18:31:09 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 18:31:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Update of sponsorship page done
In-Reply-To: <200605231825.33259.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <44732BD2.2030609@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200605231825.33259.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <447338CD.4030908@chalmers.se>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Tuesday 23 May 2006 17:35, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>   
>> could someone please do a quick check and then publish it? I am not
>> familiar with teh porper way just yet.
>>
>> The non-published page I am referring to is at
>> http://www.europython.org/workspaces/ep-2006/sponsorship
>>     
>
> I've published it now, unpublishing the previous revision, and I've made the 
> sponsorship section appear in the sitemap because I believe the only way to 
> get to the sponsorship page otherwise was via the banner which now leads 
> visitors to an existing sponsor. That said, it's still pretty hard to find 
> the sponsorship page even if the section is now visible. Perhaps a front page 
> adjustment is in order...
>
> Paul


actually it still rotates, so you'll get the sponsorship banner every 
now and then.

also I've added a link from the front page under "highlights".

/JM

From jacob at strakt.com  Tue May 23 20:03:09 2006
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:03:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration of track chairs
Message-ID: <200605232003.10139.jacob@strakt.com>

On belfalf of Laura, whi is ill, and Samuele, who is on vacation, I would like 
to ask about how Track Chairs are supposed to register.

These people will be interested in going on the CERN tour, registering for the 
hostel and attending the banquet. According to mwh, there is not yet a formal 
decision about the fee for track chairs. I think this need to be made quite 
urgently.

Jacob Hall?n

From ms at cerenity.org  Tue May 23 23:54:03 2006
From: ms at cerenity.org (Michael)
Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 22:54:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration of track chairs
In-Reply-To: <200605232003.10139.jacob@strakt.com>
References: <200605232003.10139.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <200605232254.03565.ms@cerenity.org>

I've also been trying to figure out how to see what talks have been registered 
for the Games & Entertainment track without success so far...


Michael Sparks.
--

On Tuesday 23 May 2006 19:03, Jacob Hall?n wrote:
> On belfalf of Laura, whi is ill, and Samuele, who is on vacation, I would
> like to ask about how Track Chairs are supposed to register.
>
> These people will be interested in going on the CERN tour, registering for
> the hostel and attending the banquet. According to mwh, there is not yet a
> formal decision about the fee for track chairs. I think this need to be
> made quite urgently.
>
> Jacob Hall?n
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From asouzaleite at gmx.de  Wed May 24 08:39:29 2006
From: asouzaleite at gmx.de (Aroldo Souza-Leite)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:39:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] CERN hostel: only two nights
Message-ID: <4473FFA1.6020808@gmx.de>

Hi list,

I got an email answer from the CERN hostel granting me a bed only for 
two nights (arrival July 3rd, departure July 5th). I had checked 7 
nights as I registered for the conference and then mailed the hostel 
confirming it, but got only two nights.

Regards.

Aroldo.

From paul at zeapartners.org  Wed May 24 08:18:49 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:18:49 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <2mvery3p05.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>
	<4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
	<2mzmha3pzo.fsf@starship.python.net>
	<200605222005.26393.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mvery3p05.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <9164F634-48A3-47BC-882A-E5E03D4C8D98@zeapartners.org>


On May 22, 2006, at 7:15 PM, Michael Hudson wrote:

> Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:
>
>> On Monday 22 May 2006 19:53, Michael Hudson wrote:
>>> Steve Alexander <steve at canonical.com> writes:
>>>> Whoever has the list of people who have checked that box should  
>>>> email
>>>> them and clear this up.
>>>
>>> FWIW, this is extremely easy to do with Indico.
>>
>> Talking about emailing, shouldn't there be information emails  
>> going out to all
>> of last years attendees.
>
> Yes, probably.
>
>> I can send a list of email addresses to whoever is responsible for
>> this form of PR.
>
> Well, Paul Everitt promised to write a press release I think...

Yup, sorry for the delay.  I have two speeches in the UK this week.   
I'll work on it at the hotel this afternoon.

Note that people can still spam their networks about the papers  
deadline.  Godefroid did a good job on this last week on the web side.

--Paul

From andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch  Wed May 24 09:15:25 2006
From: andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch (Andreas Pfeiffer)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:15:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] CERN hostel: only two nights
In-Reply-To: <4473FFA1.6020808@gmx.de>
References: <4473FFA1.6020808@gmx.de>
Message-ID: <FFF941F8-CF62-440B-B43A-F9467A7CB8F7@cern.ch>

Hi Arloldo,

    this is strange, we'll look into this and get back to you.

Did you explicitely specify that you're coming for the
EuroPython conference ?

	cheers,  andreas

On May 24, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Aroldo Souza-Leite wrote:

> Hi list,
>
> I got an email answer from the CERN hostel granting me a bed only for
> two nights (arrival July 3rd, departure July 5th). I had checked 7
> nights as I registered for the conference and then mailed the hostel
> confirming it, but got only two nights.
>
> Regards.
>
> Aroldo.
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 24 09:47:14 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:47:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please move sponsership up one level
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605240047l42ff8fcfy769b9a87f06f91d2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I really love the sponsorship page on

http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship/sponsorship

but I do not like the extra link on

http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship

Can somebody with access and cps-knowledge please move it up one level?

Thanks in advance,

Harald


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From mwh at python.net  Wed May 24 11:01:53 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 10:01:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration of track chairs
In-Reply-To: <200605232254.03565.ms@cerenity.org> (Michael's message of
	"Tue, 23 May 2006 22:54:03 +0100")
References: <200605232003.10139.jacob@strakt.com>
	<200605232254.03565.ms@cerenity.org>
Message-ID: <2mr72j4wzi.fsf@starship.python.net>

Michael <ms at cerenity.org> writes:

> I've also been trying to figure out how to see what talks have been registered 
> for the Games & Entertainment track without success so far...

You should be able to see now.

Cheers,
mwh

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            TOILET WILL BE YOUR UNDOING         -- from Twisted.Quotes

From andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch  Wed May 24 11:57:28 2006
From: andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch (Andreas Pfeiffer)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:57:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] CERN hostel: only two nights
In-Reply-To: <FFF941F8-CF62-440B-B43A-F9467A7CB8F7@cern.ch>
References: <4473FFA1.6020808@gmx.de>
	<FFF941F8-CF62-440B-B43A-F9467A7CB8F7@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <374BA0B6-40E3-48CA-97BD-0B8EDA78234F@cern.ch>

Hi Aroldo,

     we've checked and confirm that your registration is
for the 7 nights of the conference. The reason was that
your mail didn't clearly state that you were coming for
the conference, hence the confusion.

	cheers,  andreas

On May 24, 2006, at 9:15 AM, Andreas Pfeiffer wrote:

> Hi Aroldo,
>
>    this is strange, we'll look into this and get back to you.
>
> Did you explicitely specify that you're coming for the
> EuroPython conference ?
>
> 	cheers,  andreas
>
> On May 24, 2006, at 8:39 AM, Aroldo Souza-Leite wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> I got an email answer from the CERN hostel granting me a bed only for
>> two nights (arrival July 3rd, departure July 5th). I had checked 7
>> nights as I registered for the conference and then mailed the hostel
>> confirming it, but got only two nights.
>>
>> Regards.
>>
>> Aroldo.
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From tug at wilson.co.uk  Wed May 24 12:20:01 2006
From: tug at wilson.co.uk (John Wilson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 11:20:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Reserving a room at the CERN hostel
In-Reply-To: <4473137B.9080404@canonical.com>
References: <C5E8A49C-AD9C-49C2-95FB-D99A208A525E@wilson.co.uk>	<200605221724.29029.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4471DC49.5090704@pov.lt> <4471F1C7.8080409@canonical.com>
	<B2E85BD0-DDDA-467B-95D3-A1B73632F408@wilson.co.uk>
	<4472DE47.8000000@canonical.com> <4473137B.9080404@canonical.com>
Message-ID: <5ED9E157-E112-4BB3-9F95-7ABEB5E85DA0@wilson.co.uk>


On 23 May 2006, at 14:51, Steve Alexander wrote:

> Steve Alexander wrote:
>> John Wilson wrote:
>>> I have emailed the CERN Hostel folks to see if I have actually
>>> registered a room. I'll email an update when I have sorted this out.
>>
>> I too emailed the CERN Hostel yesterday.  No response yet.
>
> I just phoned the CERN Hostel.  They received my email and will  
> reply to
>  it soon with confirmation and details of how I can pay.

I have just  had confirmation of the reservation.

I think it would be wise to change the registration process to make  
it clear that you have to contact the CERN hostel as well as filling  
in the registration form.

I think it would also be wise to email everybody who has registered  
so far and selected the hostel option to tell them what they have to do.

See you at CERN!

	John Wilson

From tziade at nuxeo.com  Wed May 24 13:58:18 2006
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:58:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] banners ?
Message-ID: <44744A5A.8010408@nuxeo.com>

Hello,

Is there any banners somewhere I can use to promote EP on my websites ?
(besides a rip of the front page one)

Cheers

Tarek

From mal at egenix.com  Wed May 24 14:33:40 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:33:40 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
Message-ID: <447452A4.1020507@egenix.com>

Just got this email...

There are some obvious bits of information missing without which
you cannot do a money transfer:

* name of the recipient
* name of the bank
* what to put into the note field

Could someone please add this information to the emails and/or
put them on the web ?!

BTW: How will we get invoices for the registration fee ?

Thanks.

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: EuroPython payment
Date: 24 May 2006 14:10:52 +0200
From: Euro-Loc.Secretariat at cern.ch
To: mal at egenix.com

Dear Mr. Marc-Andre Lemburg,

thank you for registering for EuroPython 2006. To pay the registration
fee please use the following information:

IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm

For your convenience, we include the following information:
The fees are listed at:
http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues

In case you discover problems or have any questions, please don't hesitate
to send a mail to:  europython at python.org

Best regards,

The EuroPython Organizers

-- 
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From l.oluyede at gmail.com  Wed May 24 14:35:48 2006
From: l.oluyede at gmail.com (Lawrence Oluyede)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:35:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] bank account
Message-ID: <9eebf5740605240535u27a6b6e4idf40ccab7a170def@mail.gmail.com>

I've received the europython 2006 payment information but I need the
name of the bank and legal name of the organization which receive my
payment to do an online money transfer.

Thank you in advance

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Wed May 24 14:38:55 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 13:38:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
Message-ID: <447453DF.8080704@simplistix.co.uk>

How much do I pay?

How do I pay by credit card?

Chris

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Wed May 24 14:38:57 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:38:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please move sponsership up one level
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605240047l42ff8fcfy769b9a87f06f91d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605240047l42ff8fcfy769b9a87f06f91d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200605241438.57760.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Wednesday 24 May 2006 09:47, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I really love the sponsorship page on
>
> http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship/sponsorship
>
> but I do not like the extra link on
>
> http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship
>
> Can somebody with access and cps-knowledge please move it up one level?

I think it's at that level because the sponsorship information has to be 
published within a specific section, although I guess we could publish it 
within the sitemap section instead. That might also require a change to the 
banner adverts in order to ensure that the correct document is shown for the 
"Your name here? Sponsor EuroPython" banner.

The latter change isn't something I can figure out, but I see your point.

Paul

From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed May 24 14:26:25 2006
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:26:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <CERNFE02bDFMHdhFpAx00001b48@cernfe02.cern.ch>
References: <CERNFE02bDFMHdhFpAx00001b48@cernfe02.cern.ch>
Message-ID: <447450F1.8050308@waldmann-edv.de>

Dear Organizers,
> thank you for registering for EuroPython 2006. To pay the registration fee please use the following information:
>
> IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm
>   
Is it somehow possible to pay with credit card?

Foreign bank transfer used to be a bit expensive last time I tried (from 
germany).

Thanks,

Thomas Waldmann


From tw at waldmann-edv.de  Wed May 24 15:24:42 2006
From: tw at waldmann-edv.de (Thomas Waldmann)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:24:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <CERNFE02bDFMHdhFpAx00001b48@cernfe02.cern.ch>
References: <CERNFE02bDFMHdhFpAx00001b48@cernfe02.cern.ch>
Message-ID: <44745E9A.4010003@waldmann-edv.de>

Moin,
> thank you for registering for EuroPython 2006. To pay the registration fee please use the following information:
>   
Please ignore my last mail regarding credit card payment.

German banks are offering a "EU Standard?berweisung" now with decent 
costs. And it even works to Sweden.

What's missing in your bank data is "who" is receiving the payment 
(owner of that bank account). I put "Europython 2006 conference" there 
and hope it will be ok.

Cheers,

Thomas Waldmann


From mwh at python.net  Wed May 24 15:37:56 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:37:56 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Please move sponsership up one level
In-Reply-To: <200605241438.57760.paul@boddie.org.uk> (Paul Boddie's message
	of "Wed, 24 May 2006 14:38:57 +0200")
References: <7be3f35d0605240047l42ff8fcfy769b9a87f06f91d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<200605241438.57760.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <2mirnv4k7f.fsf@starship.python.net>

Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:

> On Wednesday 24 May 2006 09:47, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I really love the sponsorship page on
>>
>> http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship/sponsorship
>>
>> but I do not like the extra link on
>>
>> http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship
>>
>> Can somebody with access and cps-knowledge please move it up one level?
>
> I think it's at that level because the sponsorship information has to be 
> published within a specific section, although I guess we could publish it 
> within the sitemap section instead. That might also require a change to the 
> banner adverts in order to ensure that the correct document is shown for the 
> "Your name here? Sponsor EuroPython" banner.
>
> The latter change isn't something I can figure out, but I see your point.

That bit requires poking in the ZMI, I think.  I or Jean-Marc can do
that if you can't...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  But since your post didn't lay out your assumptions, your goals,
  or how you view language characteristics as fitting in with 
  either, you're not a *natural* candidate for embracing Design by 
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From jmo at chalmers.se  Wed May 24 15:46:50 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:46:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Please move sponsership up one level
In-Reply-To: <2mirnv4k7f.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <7be3f35d0605240047l42ff8fcfy769b9a87f06f91d2@mail.gmail.com>	<200605241438.57760.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<2mirnv4k7f.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <447463CA.9070209@chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> writes:
>
>   
>> On Wednesday 24 May 2006 09:47, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>>     
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I really love the sponsorship page on
>>>
>>> http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship/sponsorship
>>>
>>> but I do not like the extra link on
>>>
>>> http://www.europython.org/sections/sponsorship
>>>
>>> Can somebody with access and cps-knowledge please move it up one level?
>>>       
>> I think it's at that level because the sponsorship information has to be 
>> published within a specific section, although I guess we could publish it 
>> within the sitemap section instead. That might also require a change to the 
>> banner adverts in order to ensure that the correct document is shown for the 
>> "Your name here? Sponsor EuroPython" banner.
>>
>> The latter change isn't something I can figure out, but I see your point.
>>     
>
> That bit requires poking in the ZMI, I think.  I or Jean-Marc can do
> that if you can't...
>
> Cheers,
> mwh
>
>   

The thing is that publishing directly under Sitemap won't make the 
document appear anywhere. Couldn't it be published under "news" or 
something similar?

then the banner info can be updated in the ZMI.

cheers
/JM

From moshez at divmod.com  Wed May 24 17:05:48 2006
From: moshez at divmod.com (moshez at divmod.com)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:48 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd: EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: 0
Message-ID: <20060524150548.28682.1205187125.divmod.quotient.4739@ohm>

>thank you for registering for EuroPython 2006. To pay the registration fee please use the following information:
>
>IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
>BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
>Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm

It would be nice if the e-mail explicitly listed the amount (I assume 120Eu?).
Also, giving exact details on how to pay via CC or PayPal or some way which
does not require me to pay exorbitant fees for int'l money transfer would
be appreciated.

I would be happy to get such information :)

Thanks in advance,
Moshe Z

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Wed May 24 19:05:43 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:05:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
Message-ID: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>

Hello,

I've just consulted with various people and can now provide more comprehensive 
payment details for those making bank transfers to settle their registration 
payments.

As stated in the e-mails sent out to registrants, the following information is 
to be used when making payments:

IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm

In addition, to satisfy the payment systems of certain banks, the following 
details may also be required:

Bank Country: Sweden
Bank Name: Swedbank
Recipient Name: Europython Society
Recipient Address: c/o AB Strakt, Norra ?gatan 10, SE-416 64 G?teborg, Sweden

Don't forget to assign the transaction fees to the sender, and it might be 
useful to specify your registrant identifier ("Registrant ID" on your 
completed registration form) in the payment message for tidier administration 
for the organisers.

Hope this helps,

Paul

P.S. Some banks can work some of the details out: mine provides the bank name 
and address but doesn't figure out the country, even though it's obvious.

P.P.S. Some banks in the EU (and EEA) can provide less expensive bank 
transfers in Euros where the IBAN is used. This may be related to the EU 
directive 2560/2001; see here for more:

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/03/140

From mike_traynar at credence.com  Wed May 24 14:55:45 2006
From: mike_traynar at credence.com (Mike Traynar)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 14:55:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
Message-ID: <447457D1.5000503@credence.com>

Hi,

I registered for EuroPython 2006 on Fri, 19 May 2006 10:54.

I have just received the attached email concerning payment. 
Unfortunately I won't be able to do anything about this until Monday 
29th May. It's a bank holiday in France tomorrow, and I won't be around 
on Friday (je ferai "le pont"). 

Since the "early bird" registration deadline is Friday 26th May, could 
you confirm that I will still be eligible for the "early bird" fee of 
?120 even though payment is kicked off on 29th May?

Thanks in advance

Mike Traynar

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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Wed May 24 20:03:50 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 19:03:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Fwd: EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <20060524150548.28682.1205187125.divmod.quotient.4739@ohm>
References: <20060524150548.28682.1205187125.divmod.quotient.4739@ohm>
Message-ID: <4474A006.8060802@simplistix.co.uk>

moshez at divmod.com wrote:
> It would be nice if the e-mail explicitly listed the amount (I assume 120Eu?).

Is this the speaker rate? What about the banquet?

> Also, giving exact details on how to pay via CC or PayPal or some way which
> does not require me to pay exorbitant fees for int'l money transfer would
> be appreciated.

Yes, I certainly don't intend to pay by international money transfer...

If PayPal or CC can't be arranged, I'm gonna have to think about whether 
or not to attend the conference.

Can someone PLEASE sort this out urgently, I'd really like to book 
flights and hotels _tonight_ if I do end up going...

Chris

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From 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de  Thu May 25 02:13:55 2006
From: 2005a at usenet.alexanderweb.de (Alexander Schremmer)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 02:13:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1cq98j3q7jubj.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>

On Wed, 24 May 2006 19:05:43 +0200, Paul Boddie wrote:

> Don't forget to assign the transaction fees to the sender

This is not good if you want to pick up this idea:

> P.P.S. Some banks in the EU (and EEA) can provide less expensive bank 
> transfers in Euros where the IBAN is used. This may be related to the EU 
> directive 2560/2001; see here for more:

In order to benefit from this free transfer, you have to set the fee
"strategy" to SHARE. Then it should be completly free for both parties.

Kind regards,
Alexander


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 25 09:24:35 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:24:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] HELP Reaching all 2005 participants
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605250024o36fbf060qac59f74cf47e75ed@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I got the email-list of last years attendees, and Jacobs offer to make
a Python Script to email them all.

That Python Script is the smaller part of this problem: since I
outsourced all my email purposes to GMAIL, I do not have an SMTP where
I can send via script.

I am preparing the text of the mailing, I can dot the mail script; can
anybody provide an SMTP-server to run on?

Thank you very much,

Harald

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From mwh at python.net  Thu May 25 09:58:41 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:58:41 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] HELP Reaching all 2005 participants
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605250024o36fbf060qac59f74cf47e75ed@mail.gmail.com>
	(Harald
	Armin Massa's message of "Thu, 25 May 2006 09:24:35 +0200")
References: <7be3f35d0605250024o36fbf060qac59f74cf47e75ed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2m64ju4jta.fsf@starship.python.net>

"Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com> writes:

> Hello!
>
> I got the email-list of last years attendees, and Jacobs offer to make
> a Python Script to email them all.
>
> That Python Script is the smaller part of this problem: since I
> outsourced all my email purposes to GMAIL, I do not have an SMTP where
> I can send via script.

You can send via gmail (smtp.gmail.com)!  But it has to be encrypted,
I think, I don't think Python's smtplib module supports that.

> I am preparing the text of the mailing, I can dot the mail script; can
> anybody provide an SMTP-server to run on?

I can give you an account on a machine capable of running the script;
catch me on IRC.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
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    it. Geniuses remove it.
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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu May 25 09:40:21 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 08:40:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <44755F65.7030209@simplistix.co.uk>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> As stated in the e-mails sent out to registrants, the following information is 
> to be used when making payments:
> 
> IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm

I guess I'll ask again... how do I pay by credit card or PayPal?

cheers,

Chris

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            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Thu May 25 10:37:14 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:37:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <44755F65.7030209@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<44755F65.7030209@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9@cern.ch>

Hi Chris,

if it is so urgent please register again and we will delete the old  
registration afterwards. Now you are able to pay via credit card  
during registration process.
Sorry for this workaround solution.

Cheers
Benedikt



On May 25, 2006, at 9:40 AM, Chris Withers wrote:

> Paul Boddie wrote:
>> As stated in the e-mails sent out to registrants, the following  
>> information is
>> to be used when making payments:
>>
>> IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
>> BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
>> Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm
>
> I guess I'll ask again... how do I pay by credit card or PayPal?
>
> cheers,
>
> Chris
>
> -- 
> Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
>             - http://www.simplistix.co.uk
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu May 25 10:51:18 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 09:51:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9@cern.ch>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<44755F65.7030209@simplistix.co.uk>
	<3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <44757006.3070407@simplistix.co.uk>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> Hi Chris,
> 
> if it is so urgent please register again and we will delete the old  
> registration afterwards.

I tried, it won't let me because chris at simplistix.co.uk is already in use...

Is there a PayPal account I could just send money to?

Honestly, I've never had so much trouble actually trying to _give_ money 
to people...

Chris

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            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Thu May 25 11:23:22 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:23:22 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <44757006.3070407@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>	<44755F65.7030209@simplistix.co.uk>	<3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9@cern.ch>
	<44757006.3070407@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4475778A.4060002@simplistix.co.uk>

Chris Withers wrote:
>> if it is so urgent please register again and we will delete the old  
>> registration afterwards.
> 
> I tried, it won't let me because chris at simplistix.co.uk is already in use...
> 
> Is there a PayPal account I could just send money to?
> 
> Honestly, I've never had so much trouble actually trying to _give_ money 
> to people...

Scrap this, is anyone gonna have a problem if I just turn up and pay 120 
euros in cash at registration?

cheers,

Chris

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            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Thu May 25 11:50:37 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:50:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: Re:  Registration payment details]
Message-ID: <44757DED.2020704@ita.chalmers.se>

Sorry, sent this accidentlally to Chris only, but it was ment for the list.

/dario

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:49:38 +0200
From: Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se>
To: Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul at boddie.org.uk>
<44755F65.7030209 at simplistix.co.uk>
<3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9 at cern.ch>
<44757006.3070407 at simplistix.co.uk>

How did people do this last year?

Why are we having such problems suddenly?

/dario

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From jacob at strakt.com  Thu May 25 13:14:30 2006
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 13:14:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: Re:  Registration payment details]
In-Reply-To: <44757DED.2020704@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <44757DED.2020704@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605251314.31048.jacob@strakt.com>

torsdag 25 maj 2006 11:50 skrev Dario Lopez-K?sten:
> Sorry, sent this accidentlally to Chris only, but it was ment for the list.
>
> /dario
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:49:38 +0200
> From: Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se>
> To: Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>
> References: <200605241905.43605.paul at boddie.org.uk>
> <44755F65.7030209 at simplistix.co.uk>
> <3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9 at cern.ch>
> <44757006.3070407 at simplistix.co.uk>
>
> How did people do this last year?
>
> Why are we having such problems suddenly?

Because people did not want to use my working solution from last year. This 
solution was built with the mistakes from previous years in mind and it 
needed some debugging along the way.

Now, all the mistakes have to be repeated.

I forsee problems generating and distributing invoices, since this is not part 
of the registration procedure in Indico.

If there is no tested solution for generating badges, this may be a headache.

I haven't seen any listings of presentations yet and I don't know to what 
extent Indico supports planning and publication of a schedule and the 
creation of a printable programme. I don't know what the plans are for 
allowing speakers to upload their presentations and the attendees to download 
them.

I also don't know what the support for on-site registration is.

There is also a problem with the information available. There are no clear 
instructions in the registration procedure for what you do once you have said 
that you want to stay at the CERN Hostel (turns out you have to contact 
them). Also, deadline for early-bird registration is either tomorrow or was 2 
days ago. And we don't even have the courtesy of mailing last years attendees 
before the end of the early-bird deadline.

Unfortunately I don't have the time to help, because it is plain to see that 
help is needed.

Having said that, I'm not all that worried about there being a conference. You 
can make do without the badges and you can have a hand written schedule on 
the wall when people arrive. The rooms are there and the cafeteria will be 
serving food. It's just not quite what I think people expect.

Jacob Hall?n


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 25 14:14:34 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:14:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Multiple registrations
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605250514g12f280celf20db5f57b5d7229@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I took the liberty to ask registrants with more than one registration:

Dead XXXX

we received at least 4 registrations by you. Do you really plan to
arrive 4 times at the conference?

Please be informed, that you have to pay for each of your copies a
separate conference fee.

If you did not inted to register 4 times, please let us know asap
which email is your "realone"


Best wishes,

Harald

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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 25 15:09:00 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:09:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Inviting last years Attendees
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605250609s1e625296j88452b2280e2298a@mail.gmail.com>

Dear EPList,

I sent out invitation mail to the list of last years participants. I
used the BCC trick and Thunderbird, so that nobody should see the
other receipants.

I got positive feedback from 2 persons allready; and around 4 "non
deliverable" messages. As nearly all of you where in Goetheborg 2005,
you all should have received my message.

It would be very kind of you to let me know if my mail really made it
through to you.

Best wishes,

Harald



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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Thu May 25 15:18:41 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:18:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Inviting last years Attendees
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605250609s1e625296j88452b2280e2298a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605250609s1e625296j88452b2280e2298a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A23D6CBA-DD55-444B-BDAE-D794E56129D1@cern.ch>

Hi Harald,

thanks for writing the email. Really a great text! :-)
(besides the Illuminati part ;-) )

Cheers,
Benedikt


On May 25, 2006, at 3:09 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> Dear EPList,
>
> I sent out invitation mail to the list of last years participants. I
> used the BCC trick and Thunderbird, so that nobody should see the
> other receipants.
>
> I got positive feedback from 2 persons allready; and around 4 "non
> deliverable" messages. As nearly all of you where in Goetheborg 2005,
> you all should have received my message.
>
> It would be very kind of you to let me know if my mail really made it
> through to you.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Harald
>
>
>
> -- 
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> 70197 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
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> PostgreSQL - supported by a community that does not put you on hold
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu May 25 15:20:38 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:20:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <1cq98j3q7jubj.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<1cq98j3q7jubj.dlg@usenet.alexanderweb.de>
Message-ID: <200605251520.39131.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Thursday 25 May 2006 02:13, Alexander Schremmer wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2006 19:05:43 +0200, Paul Boddie wrote:
> > Don't forget to assign the transaction fees to the sender
>
> This is not good if you want to pick up this idea:
> > P.P.S. Some banks in the EU (and EEA) can provide less expensive bank
> > transfers in Euros where the IBAN is used. This may be related to the EU
> > directive 2560/2001; see here for more:
>
> In order to benefit from this free transfer, you have to set the fee
> "strategy" to SHARE. Then it should be completly free for both parties.

You're probably right about this, but whether it's completely free is another 
matter. My bank's fee structure mentions zero cost handling in a footnote 
which applies to transfers from other countries, but at the same time it 
still lists various prices for transfers to other countries. I'm sure my bank 
will add on charges creatively, anyway.

Given the lack of any advice about how fees should be distributed, I just gave 
the usual advice that prevents a somewhat lesser amount arriving at the 
EuroPython end. I apologise if anyone (starting with myself) gets charged 
higher fees because of that.

Paul

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 25 19:40:34 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:40:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration question
In-Reply-To: <94bdd2610605251019pe66bcd2j129d0e213dfa6c38@mail.gmail.com>
References: <94bdd2610605251019pe66bcd2j129d0e213dfa6c38@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605251040i46a4adccq54377e26ab9eb920@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Tarek,

thank you for your talk submissions and your question concerning registration.

Early Bird gives a discount. This discount is justified by two arguments:

a) the organizers can make more safe assumptions about the number of
participants
b) the participant has to make his commitment without being sure about
the talks.

So she takes the risk that he dislikes the talks and in exchange gets
a discount of around 37% for "normal payers" and 40% for students.

> I have submited some talks, and might not be able to come
> if none is accepted.

In that case you are on the sunny side: speakers pay 120? (normal fee
assumed), no matter if early bird or not. So they still get a discount
of 37%. This was especially made so that speakers who only can attend
as speakers still get the benefit of early birding.

Please also consider: Within those fees is no profit. This can happen
because the EuroPython Society is a not-for-profit organization; with
volunteers organizing this conference.

Looking forward to see you in CERN in July!

Best wishes,

Harald


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From mal at egenix.com  Thu May 25 19:49:02 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 19:49:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4475EE0E.1060709@egenix.com>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've just consulted with various people and can now provide more comprehensive 
> payment details for those making bank transfers to settle their registration 
> payments.
> 
> As stated in the e-mails sent out to registrants, the following information is 
> to be used when making payments:
> 
> IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm
> 
> In addition, to satisfy the payment systems of certain banks, the following 
> details may also be required:
> 
> Bank Country: Sweden
> Bank Name: Swedbank
> Recipient Name: Europython Society
> Recipient Address: c/o AB Strakt, Norra ?gatan 10, SE-416 64 G?teborg, Sweden

Thanks for the details. Looks like the same account as last year
is used.

Could you please add these details to the payment emails and also
put them on the web-site ?

> Don't forget to assign the transaction fees to the sender, and it might be
> useful to specify your registrant identifier ("Registrant ID" on your 
> completed registration form) in the payment message for tidier administration 
> for the organisers.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Paul
> 
> P.S. Some banks can work some of the details out: mine provides the bank name 
> and address but doesn't figure out the country, even though it's obvious.
> 
> P.P.S. Some banks in the EU (and EEA) can provide less expensive bank 
> transfers in Euros where the IBAN is used. This may be related to the EU 
> directive 2560/2001; see here for more:
> 
> http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/03/140

Actually, all Euro bank transfers in the EU which use IBAN and
BIC/SWIFT must adhere to the above directive, meaning that the
costs for the transfer may not be higher than what you pay
when you do a transfer to another bank account in the same
country. Note that these EU-transfer have to be done using
the SHARE fee option.

Since these are usually free of charge, these transfers
should be free of charge as well. If they're not, you can
complain to your bank, mentioning the above directive.

Thanks,
-- 
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From tziade at nuxeo.com  Thu May 25 20:06:57 2006
From: tziade at nuxeo.com (=?windows-1252?Q?Tarek_Ziad=E9?=)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:06:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration question
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605251040i46a4adccq54377e26ab9eb920@mail.gmail.com>
References: <94bdd2610605251019pe66bcd2j129d0e213dfa6c38@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0605251040i46a4adccq54377e26ab9eb920@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4475F241.9050603@nuxeo.com>

Harald Armin Massa wrote:

>Hello Tarek,
>
>thank you for your talk submissions and your question concerning registration.
>
>Early Bird gives a discount. This discount is justified by two arguments:
>
>a) the organizers can make more safe assumptions about the number of
>participants
>b) the participant has to make his commitment without being sure about
>the talks.
>
>So she takes the risk that he dislikes the talks and in exchange gets
>a discount of around 37% for "normal payers" and 40% for students.
>
>  
>
>>I have submited some talks, and might not be able to come
>>if none is accepted.
>>    
>>
>
>In that case you are on the sunny side: speakers pay 120? (normal fee
>assumed), no matter if early bird or not. So they still get a discount
>of 37%. This was especially made so that speakers who only can attend
>as speakers still get the benefit of early birding.
>  
>
Yes I have misread the price grid, oups :)

Regards,

tarek

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu May 25 20:28:22 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:28:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <4475EE0E.1060709@egenix.com>
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4475EE0E.1060709@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <200605252028.22954.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Thursday 25 May 2006 19:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> Paul Boddie wrote:
> >
> > IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> > BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> > Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm
> > Bank Country: Sweden
> > Bank Name: Swedbank
> > Recipient Name: Europython Society
> > Recipient Address: c/o AB Strakt, Norra ?gatan 10, SE-416 64 G?teborg,
> > Sweden
>
> Thanks for the details. Looks like the same account as last year
> is used.

I believe so.

> Could you please add these details to the payment emails and also
> put them on the web-site ?

I don't have control over the e-mails, sadly, but I will add the details to 
the site.

> Actually, all Euro bank transfers in the EU which use IBAN and
> BIC/SWIFT must adhere to the above directive, meaning that the
> costs for the transfer may not be higher than what you pay
> when you do a transfer to another bank account in the same
> country. Note that these EU-transfer have to be done using
> the SHARE fee option.

I read all about the fee-sharing after the fact, sadly, meaning that my bank 
will probably use the opportunity to "stiff me" over the fees. (They mention 
their "low price" payment option for IBAN transfers, but don't specify the 
precise criteria for 2560/2001 in the help text - all that is on some other 
part of their site.) You'd think that accepting all fees yourself, when the 
general idea is that there are none for the recipient upon performing such a 
transaction, would prevent any additional charges, but I imagine I'll find 
out tomorrow when the bank computers are back from their holiday.

> Since these are usually free of charge, these transfers
> should be free of charge as well. If they're not, you can
> complain to your bank, mentioning the above directive.

Perhaps I should get round to "upgrading" my bank, anyway: complaining to the 
bigger Norwegian banks is generally a futile process, and this is just the 
tip of an iceberg of dissatisfaction.

Paul

From mwh at python.net  Thu May 25 21:19:29 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:19:29 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
In-Reply-To: <4475EE0E.1060709@egenix.com> (M.'s message of "Thu, 25 May
	2006 19:49:02 +0200")
References: <200605241905.43605.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4475EE0E.1060709@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <2mvert3oam.fsf@starship.python.net>

"M.-A. Lemburg" <mal at egenix.com> writes:

> Could you please add these details to the payment emails and also
> put them on the web-site ?

If you get a registration email now, you will get the new details.  We
are planning to send an email to all the people who registered before
the details were available ASAP, but I've had a stupidly busy day...

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
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  -- Alan Perlis, http://www.cs.yale.edu/homes/perlis-alan/quotes.html

From b.buehlmann at 4teamwork.ch  Thu May 25 20:59:37 2006
From: b.buehlmann at 4teamwork.ch (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Bernhard_B=FChlmann?=)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 20:59:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Misspelled firstname
Message-ID: <4475FE99.7060502@4teamwork.ch>

Dear all

I have missspelled my firstname upon registration.

My coorect fristname is Bernhard (instead of Benrhard...)

Thanx for the correction!

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From riccardo at sideralis.org  Fri May 26 01:18:57 2006
From: riccardo at sideralis.org (Riccardo Galli)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 01:18:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Various questions (as "Am I registered?")
Message-ID: <44763B61.1010501@sideralis.org>

Hi,
me and my brother (Federico Galli) tried to register to EuroPython.
Actually, he surely registered (he filled the first form with all the 
data needed and pressed the confirm button) and he got 2 mails, one 
about his info and one about how to pay.
I filled the first form and in the second page I didn't confirm (we had 
reasons to go back and register my brother first). So I result as 
registered in the first form, and can't see the second page where I 
should confirm my registration.
I have received just one mail (the one about my info, and not the second 
mail about the payment), so I'm not so sure about being registered. Am I 
registered?

Can we do just one bank payment (and be sure you know the payment is for 
both of us) ?

Do we need some certification about being students or you simply trust 
people?

Last thing, I found the phrase
"""Registration will take place at the main reception in Building 33 
<http://building.web.cern.ch/map/building?bno=33> on Monday, July 3rd 
from 8:00 am until 9:00 am."
Is it intended as a "on site" registration for people who didn't 
registered earlier, or must we be there in that hour?

Thank you for patience and clarifications,
Riccardo and Federico Galli


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 26 08:40:50 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 08:40:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Various questions (as "Am I registered?")
In-Reply-To: <44763B61.1010501@sideralis.org>
References: <44763B61.1010501@sideralis.org>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605252340v689ad4b1jda7bba74b37614c5@mail.gmail.com>

Riccardo,

> me and my brother (Federico Galli) tried to register to EuroPython.
and you both succeeded! Thank you, and looking forward to see you in CERN!

> I have received just one mail (the one about my info, and not the second
> mail about the payment), so I'm not so sure about being registered. Am
> registered?
You are reigstered. That with "no payment mail" is strange; but can
happen. For the record: you have to pay to the same account the same
amount as your brother; please use your registration ID (c44r143) as a
reference. Your brothers Registration ID is cr44144.

> Can we do just one bank payment (and be sure you know the
> payment is for both of us) ?
I am not really sure about this, someone who handels these bookings
will give you information. But please make sure to add the
registration ID to every payment.

> Do we need some certification about being students or you simply trust
> people?
German students have something called "Studentenausweis", it's like a
Identity Card of the University. Is there something similiar in Italy?

> Is it intended as a "on site" registration for people who didn't
> registered earlier, or must we be there in that hour?

You need to get your badges. You need to get access passwords for WLAN
Access. We all need to say hello! It needs to be checked if those you
claim you are are registered ... it is more a "check in", like in
Hotels.

Looking forward to see you in CERN,

best wishes

Harald

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70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 26 09:05:29 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:05:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006 from 3rd to 5th of July in CERN,
	Switzerland
In-Reply-To: <44761EBF.4090902@pp.inet.fi>
References: <44761EBF.4090902@pp.inet.fi>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605260005k44013d23x7909ba6c3e753ad9@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Leonard,

thank you for replying to my mail with invitation to register!

> Asking people to register before knowing
> what talks will be given is unreasonable,

Yes, it is quite a challenging thing to do, registering to a
conference with only hoping it will be good, only knowing the
keynoters and that there will be a conference dinner.

On the other hand:

Early Bird gives a discount. This discount is justified by two arguments:

a) the organizers can make more safe assumptions about the number of
participants
b) the participant has to make his commitment without being sure about
the talks.

So she takes the risk that she dislikes the talks and in exchange gets
a discount of around 37% for "normal payers" and 40% for students.

All who need the security of knowing the talks, the schedule and all
still can register to a very reasonable price of 190? per full payer -
thats around 63? per day, or 7,9? per hour.

Those fees are not calculated for profit. This is possible only
because the EuroPython Society is a not-for-profit organization; with
volunteers organizing this conference.

>which is probably being
>reflected in the number of registrations you may have seen so far.

Actually we have allready "Current registrants (136)". We are very
thankfull that people honour our work with that much trust. I
personally feel this is a very nice reward for all that unpaid work.

I would really be happy if you too can decide to be with us at
EuroPython 2006 - early birded or regular (from a point of cost, with
booking regular you even contribute more!)

Best wishes,

Harald

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70197 Stuttgart
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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri May 26 09:24:25 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:24:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Misspelled firstname
In-Reply-To: <4475FE99.7060502@4teamwork.ch>
References: <4475FE99.7060502@4teamwork.ch>
Message-ID: <4CB3A57C-9EAE-4B1F-85CE-5FB591D3F923@cern.ch>

Dear Mr. B?hlmann,

your name has been corrected. Thanks for registration!

Regards,
Benedikt Hegner

On May 25, 2006, at 8:59 PM, Bernhard B?hlmann wrote:

> Dear all
>
> I have missspelled my firstname upon registration.
>
> My coorect fristname is Bernhard (instead of Benrhard...)
>
> Thanx for the correction!
>
>   --
> Mit freundlichen Gr?ssen - B. B?hlmann
> ------------------------------------------------------------
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> Bernhard B?hlmann                   b.buehlmann at 4teamwork.ch
> Informatiker Dr. phil. nat.            Fon: +41 31 305 90 24
> Engehaldenstrasse 53                Mobile: +41 79 442 33 08
> 3012 Bern, Switzerland                 Fax: +41 31 305 90 25
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>
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> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 26 10:30:30 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:30:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Administratrivia: Mail addresses for europython
	functions
Message-ID: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>

hello,

I have registered an account at PayPal for EuroPython and I am about to
register another account at a svedish payment service called payson
(www.payson.se) which is similar to paypal.

However, we need to figure out how to manage emailaddresse for
functional needs.

Ie. it is inapproiate that the registraton and contact address for both
papal and payson be my own or europython at python.org.

Specifically for payson, i'd like to have a payment at europython.org or
similar address, and for both services generic addresses at europython.org
that do not go to the list, but to specific persons that are incharge of
the economy, etc.

Is this possible to arrange? Suggestions?

/dario

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-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 26 10:31:16 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:31:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Are we still hosted with amaze-nl ?
Message-ID: <4476BCD4.2040508@ita.chalmers.se>

hi,

are we still hosting the epc site with Amaze.nl ?

If so, I need to put up some sponsor banners for them.

Thanks,

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From mwh at python.net  Fri May 26 10:39:28 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:39:28 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Are we still hosted with amaze-nl ?
In-Reply-To: <4476BCD4.2040508@ita.chalmers.se> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten's_message_of?= "Fri, 26 May 2006
	10:31:16 +0200")
References: <4476BCD4.2040508@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2mirnt2n9b.fsf@starship.python.net>

Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se> writes:

> hi,
>
> are we still hosting the epc site with Amaze.nl ?

Yep, pretty sure.

> If so, I need to put up some sponsor banners for them.

Good idea :)

Cheers,
mwh

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  Indeed, when I design my killer language, the identifiers "foo" and
  "bar" will be reserved words, never used, and not even mentioned in
  the reference manual. Any program using one will simply dump core
  without comment. Multitudes will rejoice. -- Tim Peters, 29 Apr 1998

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 26 10:41:06 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:41:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Administratrivia: Mail addresses for europython
	functions
In-Reply-To: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605260141g3d0d24dqb596f9ffef94b1fe@mail.gmail.com>

I support the idea. I have no idea who can administer the mail server for this.

Harald

> Ie. it is inapproiate that the registraton and contact address for both
> papal and payson be my own or europython at python.org.
> Specifically for payson, i'd like to have a payment at europython.org or
> similar address, and for both services generic addresses at europython.org
> that do not go to the list, but to specific persons that are incharge of
> the economy, etc.


-- 
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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
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From mwh at python.net  Fri May 26 10:43:52 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:43:52 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Administratrivia: Mail addresses for europython
 functions
In-Reply-To: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten's_message_of?= "Fri, 26 May 2006
	10:30:30 +0200")
References: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <2mejyh2n1z.fsf@starship.python.net>

Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se> writes:

> hello,
>
> I have registered an account at PayPal for EuroPython and I am about to
> register another account at a svedish payment service called payson
> (www.payson.se) which is similar to paypal.
>
> However, we need to figure out how to manage emailaddresse for
> functional needs.
>
> Ie. it is inapproiate that the registraton and contact address for both
> papal and payson be my own or europython at python.org.
>
> Specifically for payson, i'd like to have a payment at europython.org or
> similar address, and for both services generic addresses at europython.org
> that do not go to the list, but to specific persons that are incharge of
> the economy, etc.
>
> Is this possible to arrange? Suggestions?

This requires getting the attention of someone at Amaze -- have you
tried support at amaze.nl ?

If it's hard for amaze to provide this kind of flexibility, we could
set up some other machine like python.net as the MX for the
europython.org domain, though this would require me flexing more admin
muscles than I currently have :)

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  If design space weren't so vast, and the good solutions so small a
  portion of it, programming would be a lot easier.
                                            -- maney, comp.lang.python

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri May 26 10:45:31 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:45:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Administratrivia: Mail addresses for europython
	functions
In-Reply-To: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <CEFB7C73-C503-4134-86D3-14F9F3B37895@cern.ch>

>
> Specifically for payson, i'd like to have a payment at europython.org or
> similar address, and for both services generic  
> addresses at europython.org
> that do not go to the list, but to specific persons that are  
> incharge of
> the economy, etc.
>
> Is this possible to arrange? Suggestions?

What about sending the registration notifications to this payment  
list as well?

Cheers
Benedikt


From mwh at python.net  Fri May 26 10:51:49 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:51:49 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: Re:  Registration payment details]
In-Reply-To: <200605251314.31048.jacob@strakt.com> (
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Jacob_Hall=E9n's_message_of?= "Thu, 25 May 2006 13:14:30
	+0200")
References: <44757DED.2020704@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200605251314.31048.jacob@strakt.com>
Message-ID: <2mac952moq.fsf@starship.python.net>

Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:

> torsdag 25 maj 2006 11:50 skrev Dario Lopez-K?sten:
>> Sorry, sent this accidentlally to Chris only, but it was ment for the list.
>>
>> /dario
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
>> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:49:38 +0200
>> From: Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se>
>> To: Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>
>> References: <200605241905.43605.paul at boddie.org.uk>
>> <44755F65.7030209 at simplistix.co.uk>
>> <3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9 at cern.ch>
>> <44757006.3070407 at simplistix.co.uk>
>>
>> How did people do this last year?
>>
>> Why are we having such problems suddenly?
>
> Because people did not want to use my working solution from last year. This 
> solution was built with the mistakes from previous years in mind and it 
> needed some debugging along the way.

Sad to say, I don't know how much better your system, without you,
would have been than what we've had this year.

> Now, all the mistakes have to be repeated.
>
> I forsee problems generating and distributing invoices, since this
> is not part of the registration procedure in Indico.
>
> If there is no tested solution for generating badges, this may be a
> headache.

Indico supports a csv export of all the registrant info, so building
our own solutions for this sort of thing should not be hard.  Has to
be done, of course.  Is your invoice and badge solution sufficiently
independent that we could reuse it?

> I haven't seen any listings of presentations yet and I don't know to what 
> extent Indico supports planning and publication of a schedule and the 
> creation of a printable programme.

It has some support.

> I don't know what the plans are for allowing speakers to upload
> their presentations and the attendees to download them.

If necessary, I can do this in the same way it got done for the 2004
conference.

> I also don't know what the support for on-site registration is.

A question for the CERN locals, I guess.

> There is also a problem with the information available. There are no
> clear instructions in the registration procedure for what you do
> once you have said that you want to stay at the CERN Hostel (turns
> out you have to contact them). Also, deadline for early-bird
> registration is either tomorrow or was 2 days ago. And we don't even
> have the courtesy of mailing last years attendees before the end of
> the early-bird deadline.

Fortunately, none of these things is quite true.

> Unfortunately I don't have the time to help, because it is plain to see that 
> help is needed.

What would help is if you could answer Dario's emails about the
EuroPython Society bank account.

Cheers,
mwh

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          and -march-pentium4-800Mhz and I am sure that the MOUSE
          CURSOR is moving 5 % FASTER!
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From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Fri May 26 10:53:15 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:53:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Administratrivia: Mail addresses for europython
 functions
In-Reply-To: <CEFB7C73-C503-4134-86D3-14F9F3B37895@cern.ch>
References: <4476BCA6.40508@ita.chalmers.se>
	<CEFB7C73-C503-4134-86D3-14F9F3B37895@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <4476C1FB.3040109@ita.chalmers.se>

Benedikt Hegner said the following on 05/26/2006 10:45 AM:
>>
>> Specifically for payson, i'd like to have a payment at europython.org or
>> similar address, and for both services generic  addresses at europython.org
>> that do not go to the list, but to specific persons that are  incharge of
>> the economy, etc.
>>
>> Is this possible to arrange? Suggestions?
> 
> 
> What about sending the registration notifications to this payment  list
> as well?
> 
> Cheers
> Benedikt
> 

we only have two addresses aviailable europython at python.org and
europython-sponsorship at python.org

They are both mailman lists. I feel it is inappropiate to use any of
them, the general europython at python.org address because it is too
general and public, and the sponsorshipaddress, becuase it will make
things harder to manage.

/dario

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-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
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Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From hpk at trillke.net  Fri May 26 10:48:24 2006
From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 10:48:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] network access timing
Message-ID: <20060526084824.GX12245@solar.trillke>

Hi, 

i heart that the arrival/depart dates on the registration
form are particularly important for the network access. 
I didn't initially understand why it is required to supply
them and used 3-6th, but actually will likely arrive earlier
or stay longer. 

If possible, i suggest to make network access uniformly available
from 29th-10th for all people that registered their MAC address, 
irrespective of their arrival/depart date. 

best, 

    holger

-- 
merlinux GmbH       Steinbergstr. 42    31139 Hildesheim   
http://merlinux.de  tel +49 5121 20800 75 (fax 77) 

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri May 26 11:19:42 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:19:42 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] network access timing
In-Reply-To: <20060526084824.GX12245@solar.trillke>
References: <20060526084824.GX12245@solar.trillke>
Message-ID: <DD06B605-8039-4289-AF5A-A00864B0E735@cern.ch>

Hi Holger,

I think you got a wrong information. The registration should be vaild  
from start of the sprints until end of the sprints.

Cheers
Benedikt


On May 26, 2006, at 10:48 AM, holger krekel wrote:

> Hi,
>
> i heart that the arrival/depart dates on the registration
> form are particularly important for the network access.
> I didn't initially understand why it is required to supply
> them and used 3-6th, but actually will likely arrive earlier
> or stay longer.
>
> If possible, i suggest to make network access uniformly available
> from 29th-10th for all people that registered their MAC address,
> irrespective of their arrival/depart date.
>
> best,
>
>     holger
>
> -- 
> merlinux GmbH       Steinbergstr. 42    31139 Hildesheim
> http://merlinux.de  tel +49 5121 20800 75 (fax 77)
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From gintas at pov.lt  Thu May 25 23:45:30 2006
From: gintas at pov.lt (Gintautas Miliauskas)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 00:45:30 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Multiple registrations
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605250514g12f280celf20db5f57b5d7229@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605250514g12f280celf20db5f57b5d7229@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060526004530.7d8d1d65@localhost.localdomain>

Hello,

> I took the liberty to ask registrants with more than one registration:
> 
> Dead XXXX
> 
> ...

Hmm, that does not look like a very nice way to greet a person even if
s/he really has filed duplicate registrations ;)

-- 
Gintautas Miliauskas
http://gintasm.blogspot.com
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri May 26 11:24:56 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:24:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Problems with payments and whatever
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605260224u6001272eia327b2c6534f6304@mail.gmail.com>

Guys,

I think it's a very wrong time to discuss about software choices.

I really ask you all to focus on solving the challenge we face now, of
which are most not even remotely related to software choices:

a) how do we check if payments are legitimate? We have a rather large
fraction from Kongo and Nigeria; and some did pay via Credit Card or
Wold Pay

b) We have to make sure that CERN has access to account statements of
the EP society account; because they are the one who have to check
against the registrants. Is it given that CERN has online access to
the account?

c) we still need to get translators and "maevens" = distributors for
our Press Release to various countries, including Italy, Spain,
Luxembourg, Austria, Hungary, Turkey, Greece, Belarus, Ukraine,
Kasachstan, Usbekistan, China, Japan, New Zealand, Australia

d) we still need some talk proposals

e) we still need the Press Release for c)

f) what can we do about all those Nigerian registrations? How can we
judge if they are for real or just a scam?

g) fighting about time slots track by track

best wishes,


Harald


-- 
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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
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From jmo at chalmers.se  Fri May 26 12:46:57 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:46:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Are we still hosted with amaze-nl ?
In-Reply-To: <2mirnt2n9b.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <4476BCD4.2040508@ita.chalmers.se>
	<2mirnt2n9b.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <4476DCA1.106@chalmers.se>

Michael Hudson wrote:
> Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se> writes:
>
>   
>> hi,
>>
>> are we still hosting the epc site with Amaze.nl ?
>>     
>
> Yep, pretty sure.
>
>   
>> If so, I need to put up some sponsor banners for them.
>>     
>
> Good idea :)
>
> Cheers,
> mwh
>   


Done.

/JM


From pbossut at osafoundation.org  Fri May 26 02:26:06 2006
From: pbossut at osafoundation.org (Philippe Bossut)
Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:26:06 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
Message-ID: <44764B1E.5020307@osafoundation.org>

Is that a legit request (see forwarded message)? Or did someone hacked 
in the EuroPython list of attendees and trying to make money? How can I 
know who's hiding behind this IBAN number?
Regards,
- Philippe Bossut
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From jmo at chalmers.se  Fri May 26 13:40:51 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 13:40:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
In-Reply-To: <44764B1E.5020307@osafoundation.org>
References: <44764B1E.5020307@osafoundation.org>
Message-ID: <4476E943.9060800@chalmers.se>

Philippe Bossut wrote:
> Is that a legit request (see forwarded message)? Or did someone hacked 
> in the EuroPython list of attendees and trying to make money? How can 
> I know who's hiding behind this IBAN number?
> Regards,
> - Philippe Bossut

it is the same information that you'll find on the payment information 
page described in the link:
http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/registration-details/payment-information

so I guess it's OK (unless someone hacked into the site too:-)

regards
/JM


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri May 26 14:38:14 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 14:38:14 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
In-Reply-To: <4476E943.9060800@chalmers.se>
References: <44764B1E.5020307@osafoundation.org> <4476E943.9060800@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <200605261438.14572.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 26 May 2006 13:40, Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> Philippe Bossut wrote:
> > Is that a legit request (see forwarded message)? Or did someone hacked
> > in the EuroPython list of attendees and trying to make money? How can
> > I know who's hiding behind this IBAN number?

A legitimate question, but it's just the Europython Society.

> it is the same information that you'll find on the payment information
> page described in the link:
> http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/registration-details
>/payment-information
>
> so I guess it's OK (unless someone hacked into the site too:-)

I added the information to the site, as promised earlier.

Paul

From faassen at infrae.com  Fri May 26 17:36:46 2006
From: faassen at infrae.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:36:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] network access timing
In-Reply-To: <DD06B605-8039-4289-AF5A-A00864B0E735@cern.ch>
References: <20060526084824.GX12245@solar.trillke>
	<DD06B605-8039-4289-AF5A-A00864B0E735@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <4477208E.6010801@infrae.com>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> Hi Holger,
> 
> I think you got a wrong information. The registration should be vaild  
> from start of the sprints until end of the sprints.

To clarify what I think Holger meant: the form asking for your MAC 
address also asks for a date range you need access in, and this date 
range is not long enough to cover the sprint times. Perhaps this could 
be adjusted so people don't ask this question anymore?

Regards,

Martijn

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri May 26 17:39:00 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 17:39:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] network access timing
In-Reply-To: <4477208E.6010801@infrae.com>
References: <20060526084824.GX12245@solar.trillke>
	<DD06B605-8039-4289-AF5A-A00864B0E735@cern.ch>
	<4477208E.6010801@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <05D8DE1C-F784-42B7-8681-7FE66AAD918C@cern.ch>

Hi Martijn,

thanks for clarifying. I will check that form.

Ciao
Benedikt


On May 26, 2006, at 5:36 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote:

> Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>> Hi Holger,
>> I think you got a wrong information. The registration should be  
>> vaild  from start of the sprints until end of the sprints.
>
> To clarify what I think Holger meant: the form asking for your MAC  
> address also asks for a date range you need access in, and this  
> date range is not long enough to cover the sprint times. Perhaps  
> this could be adjusted so people don't ask this question anymore?
>
> Regards,
>
> Martijn


From jacob at strakt.com  Fri May 26 19:30:41 2006
From: jacob at strakt.com (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 19:30:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: Re:  Registration payment details]
In-Reply-To: <2mac952moq.fsf@starship.python.net>
References: <44757DED.2020704@ita.chalmers.se>
	<200605251314.31048.jacob@strakt.com>
	<2mac952moq.fsf@starship.python.net>
Message-ID: <200605261930.42128.jacob@strakt.com>

fredag 26 maj 2006 10:51 skrev Michael Hudson:
> Jacob Hall?n <jacob at strakt.com> writes:
> > torsdag 25 maj 2006 11:50 skrev Dario Lopez-K?sten:
> >> Sorry, sent this accidentlally to Chris only, but it was ment for the
> >> list.
> >>
> >> /dario
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------
> >> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] Registration payment details
> >> Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 11:49:38 +0200
> >> From: Dario Lopez-K?sten <dario at ita.chalmers.se>
> >> To: Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk>
> >> References: <200605241905.43605.paul at boddie.org.uk>
> >> <44755F65.7030209 at simplistix.co.uk>
> >> <3B8EDD98-AA10-4357-BB7C-C8D821CAF6E9 at cern.ch>
> >> <44757006.3070407 at simplistix.co.uk>
> >>
> >> How did people do this last year?
> >>
> >> Why are we having such problems suddenly?
> >
> > Because people did not want to use my working solution from last year.
> > This solution was built with the mistakes from previous years in mind and
> > it needed some debugging along the way.
>
> Sad to say, I don't know how much better your system, without you,
> would have been than what we've had this year.

My offer was to make sure it ran and was available, so it would not have to be 
without me. However, there are people who should have no problems working 
with it. Samuele Pedroni has written large parts of the application and there 
are several people at Strakt who could have given a hand. Other people could 
also rather easily get to understand the inner workings. Personally, I think 
the learning curve is a lot less steep than with the Zope/Archetypes solution 
we ran 2 years ago.

> > Now, all the mistakes have to be repeated.
> >
> > I forsee problems generating and distributing invoices, since this
> > is not part of the registration procedure in Indico.
> >
> > If there is no tested solution for generating badges, this may be a
> > headache.
>
> Indico supports a csv export of all the registrant info, so building
> our own solutions for this sort of thing should not be hard.  Has to
> be done, of course.  Is your invoice and badge solution sufficiently
> independent that we could reuse it?

The invoice solution is intergrated with my application, with invoices 
generated in HTML. If it is of any help, the invoice template for nevow is 
enclosed.

The badges were built using Reportlabs rml2pdf-tool, which is not opensource. 
I don't think Andy will mind giving you a copy though. The sourcefiles needed 
to generate the badges are enclosed.
>
> > I haven't seen any listings of presentations yet and I don't know to what
> > extent Indico supports planning and publication of a schedule and the
> > creation of a printable programme.
>
> It has some support.
>
> > I don't know what the plans are for allowing speakers to upload
> > their presentations and the attendees to download them.
>
> If necessary, I can do this in the same way it got done for the 2004
> conference.

Which was a makeshift solution that I was ashamed of.

> > I also don't know what the support for on-site registration is.
>
> A question for the CERN locals, I guess.
>
> > There is also a problem with the information available. There are no
> > clear instructions in the registration procedure for what you do
> > once you have said that you want to stay at the CERN Hostel (turns
> > out you have to contact them). Also, deadline for early-bird
> > registration is either tomorrow or was 2 days ago. And we don't even
> > have the courtesy of mailing last years attendees before the end of
> > the early-bird deadline.
>
> Fortunately, none of these things is quite true.

Good. They were true at the time of writing. I admire the efforts you, Paul, 
Harald and some other people are making to save the situation. However that 
does not change the fact that there are lessons to remember for next year.
>
> > Unfortunately I don't have the time to help, because it is plain to see
> > that help is needed.
>
> What would help is if you could answer Dario's emails about the
> EuroPython Society bank account.

Done. To make sure nobody interprets this as me having Dario wait for 
information, I sent the response within 30 hours of receiving his email. It 
took some time to gather the necessary information.

Jacob Hall?n
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From pbossut at osafoundation.org  Fri May 26 20:19:28 2006
From: pbossut at osafoundation.org (Philippe Bossut)
Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 11:19:28 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] [Fwd: EuroPython payment]
In-Reply-To: <4476E943.9060800@chalmers.se>
References: <44764B1E.5020307@osafoundation.org> <4476E943.9060800@chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <447746B0.10504@osafoundation.org>

Thanks for putting that on a web page and thank you for the tips for 
reducing the transfer rate.
I'll take care of this when I'm back at the office Tuesday (Monday is a 
holiday here in the US).
Regards,
- Philippe Bossut

Jean-Marc Orliaguet wrote:
> Philippe Bossut wrote:
>> Is that a legit request (see forwarded message)? Or did someone 
>> hacked in the EuroPython list of attendees and trying to make money? 
>> How can I know who's hiding behind this IBAN number?
>> Regards,
>> - Philippe Bossut
>
> it is the same information that you'll find on the payment information 
> page described in the link:
> http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/registration-details/payment-information 
>
>
> so I guess it's OK (unless someone hacked into the site too:-)
>
> regards
> /JM
>

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Sun May 28 11:22:58 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 11:22:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] About ep email addresse
Message-ID: <44796BF2.6000303@ita.chalmers.se>

hi, fyi: I have contacted maurice at amaze asking for options of having
EP staff managed mailaddresses. My hope is that we solve this issue now
and for future conferences.

I'll report progress at it happens.

/dario

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"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From paul at zeapartners.org  Mon May 29 14:19:07 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:19:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] INPUT: Draft of press release
Message-ID: <FD6E3469-4D75-4423-8901-21EE2C43AD35@zeapartners.org>


Below is a first draft of a press release, with review so far by  
Benedikt, Harald, and Michael.

FYI: Due to an unavoidable scheduling conflict, I won't actually be  
at EuroPython this year. :^(  However, Godefroid and I are making  
sure that the "track host" role gets covered.

On to the text...

"""
Software developers from around the world will gather July 3-5 in  
Geneva, Switzerland for EuroPython 2006, the fifth annual conference  
for the Python programming language .  The event is hosted this year  
at CERN, the birthplace of the Web, and promises an exciting slate of  
keynotes and talks.

"Python keeps growing each year, and EuroPython keeps getting better  
as well," says Benedikt Hegner, host and one of the lead organizers  
for EuroPython 2006. "This year saw Guido van Rossum, Python's  
creator, moving to Google with other key Python developers.  Hosting  
EuroPython at CERN is a prestigious step for EuroPython as well.

EuroPython 2006 will be keynoted both by Mr. van Rossum as well as  
Dr. Alan Kay, creator of object-oriented programming and pioneer of  
graphical computing.  The schedule has 3 days of talks in 8 tracks  
covering agile development, business, teaching, games, an expanded  
web frameworks track, and more.  The organizers have followed the  
success of earlier years by providing lightning talks, development  
sprints, and "birds-of-a-feather" gatherings, three attendee- 
favorites for fast-paced discussion and social networking.

For half a decade, EuroPython has established itself as the premier  
event for Python users and developers in Europe and beyond.  The low- 
cost conference is organized by the Python community, for the Python  
community.  To register for the event, submit a proposal for a talk,  
or get more information on the conference, please visit the  
EuroPython website at http://www.europython.org/.
"""

--Paul

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May 29 14:31:24 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:31:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] INPUT: Draft of press release
In-Reply-To: <FD6E3469-4D75-4423-8901-21EE2C43AD35@zeapartners.org>
References: <FD6E3469-4D75-4423-8901-21EE2C43AD35@zeapartners.org>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605290531y4cf13929ge45b92d452d9be02@mail.gmail.com>

I like this press release. I recommend that we juice in our fees and
what is covered by them, because the prices are quite reasonable even
for a community conference of 3 days.

>the low-cost conference is organized by the Python community, for the Python
>community.  To register for the event, submit a proposal for a talk,

That would exchange the "low-cost".

We also should exchange "submit a proposal for a talk" to nothing,
because at time of distribution of our press release the submitting
time will be over.

Best wishes

Harald
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Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
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on different matter:
did you ever dream of visiting CERN? The place where the antimatter
for exploding Vatican is created? To eat in cantinas
with the worlds highest propability to stand in queue with future or
past Nobel Prize Winners? To talk about Web 2.5 at the place where Web
0.1 up to Web 1.0 were developed? register at www.europython.org!

From anto.cuni at gmail.com  Mon May 29 14:34:54 2006
From: anto.cuni at gmail.com (Antonio Cuni)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 14:34:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment issue
Message-ID: <447AEA6E.3000508@gmail.com>

Hello,
I have a question about the payment for the europython conference fees: 
I've done the bank transfer today, do I have to communicate the details 
of the transfer to someone so that he/she can keep track of which people 
has payed and which not?

Greetings
Antonio

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 29 14:45:19 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 13:45:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Payment issue
In-Reply-To: <447AEA6E.3000508@gmail.com> (Antonio Cuni's message of "Mon,
	29 May 2006 14:34:54 +0200")
References: <447AEA6E.3000508@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2mr72dxan4.fsf@starship.python.net>

Antonio Cuni <anto.cuni at gmail.com> writes:

> Hello,
> I have a question about the payment for the europython conference fees: 
> I've done the bank transfer today, do I have to communicate the details 
> of the transfer to someone so that he/she can keep track of which people 
> has payed and which not?

Did you quote your registrant ID in the 'details' field?  If so, you
should be fine.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
     ARTHUR:  Why are there three of you?
  LINTILLAS:  Why is there only one of you?
     ARTHUR:  Er... Could I have notice of that question?
                   -- The Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy, Episode 11

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon May 29 17:28:55 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:28:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Information and Questions - please read and vote!
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605290828v1758d9w6fed536578b6d0dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hello dear EuroPythonistas!

while doing the mass-email I also worked some with indico, and had
also lots of questions answered by Benedikt.

The good news is: most stuff that Jacob could not yet see is allready
present in indico or with applications outside:

1) timetable: total management is included, and printout possibilite
exists, is just hidden in the upper right corner

2) book of abstracts: that's what we called "conference brochure"
before. Actual challenge: integrate sponsor adds. Bene was willing to
find a way to integrate them. As a backup: Andy Robinson donated this
"make a conference brochure out of a database" before; and all the
abstracts can be exported as CSV.

3) badges: together with the WEB, some elemental particels the CERN
also developed a software to create badges. As a reminder: First Name
BIG, last name SMALL, bonus for "Track Chair", "Speaker", "Sponsor",
"Failure"

4) bills.
a) At the moment there is no integrated solution.
 - Bene is checking to integrate some templating.
- As a backup: it is possible to export the registrants via CSV, use
that CSV as an OpenOffice / MS Word Mail Merge database and have the
bills done via OpenOffice
b) Niels Mache of Struktur AG is willing to sponsor electronic signing
of the bills. That would give them a valid signature and make them
"real"

c) WHO exactly is the one billing (legally, not operative)? My warm
guess is the Europython Society, so, I guess the legal data like
"registration number", "tax number" and that games of EP Society
should be passed on to Bene.

5) registrations: We had quite a rush untill the end of early bird.
Now it got slow. My proposol to get another rush: to add some "way
before deadline" discount. That would make it possible for people to
sign up for 150? regular or 85? student up to 1 week after publishing
of talks, that would be 2006-05-11. In a first rough calculation Bene
guessed that it will be financable; he will recalculate and confirm.

So I ask the following todos:

a) Point 5: vote: shall we do it or not? (all)
b) Point 4: who is the legal entity which is doing the bills, please
pass on to Bene (Dario, Jacob)
c) I still need translators and mavens for the Press Release. Finland!
Israel! Hungary! Turkey! Luxembourg! Italy! Spain! Greece! please,
contact me.

Best wishes,

Harald




-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
on different matter:
did you ever dream of visiting CERN? The place where the antimatter
for exploding Vatican is created? To eat in cantinas
with the worlds highest propability to stand in queue with future or
past Nobel Prize Winners? To talk about Web 2.5 at the place where Web
0.1 up to Web 1.0 were developed? register at www.europython.org!

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 29 18:01:25 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:01:25 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Last chance to speak at EuroPython!
Message-ID: <2mirnoyg4q.fsf@starship.python.net>

2006-05-29

The deadline for abstract submission for EuroPython 2006 is just
two days away.

If you've been planning to submit a talk but haven't gotten
around to it yet, now's the time to do it.  On the other hand, if
you haven't considered speaking yet, maybe you should think about
it.  The audience at EuroPython is well-informed, interested and
friendly -- there's no finer place to talk about your research,
experience or project.

In either case, get yourself to:

    http://indico.cern.ch/abstractSubmission.py?confId=44

before midnight (CEST) on the 31st of May.

For more information, see the original announcement:

    http://www.europython.org/sections/tracks_and_talks/announcements/call-for-proposals

or the EuroPython 2006 website at http://www.europython.org/.

Cheers,
mwh
(EuroPython 2006 Program Chair)

-- 
  Academic politics is the most vicious and bitter form of politics,
  because the stakes are so low.                      -- Wallace Sayre

From mwh at python.net  Mon May 29 18:47:17 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 17:47:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Information and Questions - please read and vote!
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605290828v1758d9w6fed536578b6d0dc@mail.gmail.com>
	(Harald
	Armin Massa's message of "Mon, 29 May 2006 17:28:55 +0200")
References: <7be3f35d0605290828v1758d9w6fed536578b6d0dc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2mmzd0wzfu.fsf@starship.python.net>

"Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com> writes:

> a) Point 5: vote: shall we do it or not? (all)

Yes please.

> b) Point 4: who is the legal entity which is doing the bills, please
> pass on to Bene (Dario, Jacob)

The EuroPython society, indeed.  I think Dario has all the informatino
now.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
  > Why are we talking about bricks and concrete in a lisp newsgroup?
  After long experiment it was found preferable to talking about why
  Lisp is slower than C++...
                        -- Duane Rettig & Tim Bradshaw, comp.lang.lisp

From paul at zeapartners.org  Mon May 29 20:05:20 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:05:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] INPUT: Draft of press release
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605290531y4cf13929ge45b92d452d9be02@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FD6E3469-4D75-4423-8901-21EE2C43AD35@zeapartners.org>
	<7be3f35d0605290531y4cf13929ge45b92d452d9be02@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14B58DD7-FE0D-40FF-BF7D-5D861655865D@zeapartners.org>


On May 29, 2006, at 2:31 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> I like this press release. I recommend that we juice in our fees and
> what is covered by them, because the prices are quite reasonable even
> for a community conference of 3 days.
>
>> the low-cost conference is organized by the Python community, for  
>> the Python
>> community.  To register for the event, submit a proposal for a talk,
>
> That would exchange the "low-cost".
>
> We also should exchange "submit a proposal for a talk" to nothing,
> because at time of distribution of our press release the submitting
> time will be over.

In a draft I'm about to circulate, I add in the 190 euro advance  
registration fee.  I don't go into further details.  I removed the  
"submit a talk" part.

--Paul

From paul at zeapartners.org  Mon May 29 20:07:22 2006
From: paul at zeapartners.org (Paul Everitt)
Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 20:07:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Final draft of press release
Message-ID: <E9B47E7B-89CD-4ACE-9B8C-57B0D3B02C42@zeapartners.org>


Based on one public comment and one private comment, here is a last  
revision of the press release.  The distribution folks can take it  
from here.

"""
Software developers from around the world will gather July 3-5 in  
Geneva, Switzerland for EuroPython 2006, the fifth annual conference  
for the Python programming language .  The event is hosted this year  
at CERN, the birthplace of the Web, and promises an exciting slate of  
keynotes and talks.

"Python keeps growing each year, and EuroPython keeps getting better  
as well," says Benedikt Hegner, host and one of the lead organizers  
for EuroPython 2006. "This year saw Guido van Rossum, Python's  
creator, moving to Google with other key Python developers.  Hosting  
EuroPython at CERN is a prestigious step for EuroPython as well.

EuroPython 2006 will be keynoted both by Mr. van Rossum as well as  
Dr. Alan Kay, an originator of object-oriented programming and  
pioneer of graphical computing.  The schedule has 3 days of talks in  
8 tracks covering agile development, business, teaching, games, an  
expanded web frameworks track, and more.  The organizers have  
followed the success of earlier years by providing lightning talks,  
development sprints, and "birds-of-a-feather" gatherings, three  
attendee-favorites for fast-paced discussion and social networking.

For half a decade, EuroPython has established itself as the premier  
event for Python users and developers in Europe and beyond.  With a  
low registration cost of 190 euros, the conference is organized by  
the Python community, for the Python community.  To register for the  
conference or get more information, please visit the EuroPython  
website at http://www.europython.org/.
"""

--Paul

From jmo at chalmers.se  Tue May 30 09:11:10 2006
From: jmo at chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:11:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] info: hidden folders
Message-ID: <447BF00E.8000606@chalmers.se>

Hi Michael, list, ...

just for information:

in custom_get_dropdown_items.py I've replaced:

    # begin hideous mwh hack
    if item['object']['title_or_id'].find('onsorship') >= 0:
         continue
    # end hideous mwh hack

with:

    if item['object']['hidden_folder']:
         continue

Dario needed a hidden section under www.europython.org/sections/society/ 
hidden from the front page's main menu.

there is already an option on sections called "hide this folder from the 
navigation"
the hidden folders are shown in the sitemap though. The sponsorship page 
is now marked as "hidden".

Cheers
/JM

From Benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Tue May 30 18:19:03 2006
From: Benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 18:19:03 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payments
Message-ID: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>

Hi,

Dario prepared a paypal account under the address epc at europython.org  
for those people not liking bank transfers.
Maybe someone can put this information on the website.

And for new registrants - now it is possible to pay directly via  
paypal at registration.

Cheers,
Benedikt




From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue May 30 18:25:37 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:25:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payments
In-Reply-To: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
References: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <447C7201.5090606@simplistix.co.uk>

Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> And for new registrants - now it is possible to pay directly via  
> paypal at registration.

OK, If I'm paying from a $US paypal account, how much do I send for an 
earlybird speaker?

(does the one payment include the meal, CERN trip and anything else?)

cheers,

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue May 30 22:22:37 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 21:22:37 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006
In-Reply-To: <4471A773.9090107@egenix.com>
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com>
	<4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk> <4471A773.9090107@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>

M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> I booked the NH Geneva Airport Hotel which seems to be reasonably
> close to CERN.
> 

I've now booked here too and will be arriving very late Sunday 2nd July 
and leaving on the afternoon of Thursday 6th July.

So, hopefully the CERN tour will be early in the morning! :-D

Seeyall there, if anyone else is staying this this hotel, please let me 
know for taxi sharing purposes!

cheers,

Chris

PS: The paypal option does indeed work, I understand mwh is now drinking 
EUR120 worth of booze at my expense ;-)

PPS: More seriously, how do I now get an invoice for my EUR120?

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From mal at egenix.com  Tue May 30 22:42:04 2006
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:42:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006
In-Reply-To: <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com>
	<4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk>	<4471A773.9090107@egenix.com>
	<447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <447CAE1C.5010903@egenix.com>

Chris Withers wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> I booked the NH Geneva Airport Hotel which seems to be reasonably
>> close to CERN.
>>
> 
> I've now booked here too and will be arriving very late Sunday 2nd July
> and leaving on the afternoon of Thursday 6th July.

Same here, though I expect the times to be different (wouldn't
call Sunday 19:00 very late ;-).

> So, hopefully the CERN tour will be early in the morning! :-D
> 
> Seeyall there, if anyone else is staying this this hotel, please let me
> know for taxi sharing purposes!

AFAICT, bus line 9 provides a nice shuttle service between the hotel
and CERN (3km distance).

> cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> PS: The paypal option does indeed work, I understand mwh is now drinking
> EUR120 worth of booze at my expense ;-)
> 
> PPS: More seriously, how do I now get an invoice for my EUR120?

I suppose you could simply fake one using last years invoice
as template ;-)

-- 
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 30 22:54:50 2006
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 22:54:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payments
In-Reply-To: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
References: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <200605302254.50753.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 30 May 2006 18:19, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
>
> Dario prepared a paypal account under the address epc at europython.org
> for those people not liking bank transfers.
> Maybe someone can put this information on the website.
>
> And for new registrants - now it is possible to pay directly via
> paypal at registration.

I've added this information to the site. Apologies if I've missed any IRC 
meetings of late - I suppose most of the pressing issues over which I could 
have any influence are now well under control. ;-)

Paul

From reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net  Tue May 30 23:23:29 2006
From: reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:23:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payments
In-Reply-To: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
References: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <20060530212329.GT34390@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>

On Tue, May 30, 2006 at 06:19:03PM +0200, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Dario prepared a paypal account under the address epc at europython.org  
> for those people not liking bank transfers.
> Maybe someone can put this information on the website.

Be warned: I used this last summer for another congress where I was part 
of the organisation. At one moment Paypal decided that they had a reason 
to close our paypal account. 
>From that moment on we tried to contact *somebody* at paypal. There is no 
email address you can send mail to (only a webform with very little 
space). There is no phone number, no street address. Our laywer spent 
several days unsuccessfully trying to reach somebody to find out what 
paypal *thought* the problem was.

Basically our conclusion was that it is a totally unreliable service for 
anything serious.
If you keep on using it, be very sure to get all your money out of it on a 
daily basis and put it on a real bank account.

-- 
__________________________________________________
"Nothing is as subjective as reality"
Reinoud van Leeuwen    reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net
http://www.xs4all.nl/~reinoud
__________________________________________________

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May 31 09:44:54 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:44:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payments
In-Reply-To: <20060530212329.GT34390@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
References: <1CD09081-749A-43B4-9210-8BAFDD01B98F@cern.ch>
	<20060530212329.GT34390@spoetnik.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <447D4976.6060701@ita.chalmers.se>

Reinoud van Leeuwen said the following on 05/30/2006 11:23 PM:
> 
> Basically our conclusion was that it is a totally unreliable service for 
> anything serious.
> If you keep on using it, be very sure to get all your money out of it on a 
> daily basis and put it on a real bank account.
> 

It seems to be working for a vast number of other people, and is kind of
an ad-hoc standard way of doing business on the net nowadays.
Nevertheless we will be moving the amounts of cash that drop in to a
bank account.

In any event, Thanks for the heads up - never assume anything about any
service on the Net :-)

/dario


-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From mwh at python.net  Wed May 31 10:05:43 2006
From: mwh at python.net (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 09:05:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006
In-Reply-To: <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk> (Chris Withers's message of
	"Tue, 30 May 2006 21:22:37 +0100")
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>
	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com> <4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk>
	<4471A773.9090107@egenix.com> <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <2m7j42wre0.fsf@starship.python.net>

Chris Withers <chris at simplistix.co.uk> writes:

> PPS: More seriously, how do I now get an invoice for my EUR120?

You'll get one at the conference.

Cheers,
mwh

-- 
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         remarks on irc                         -- from Twisted.Quotes

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May 31 10:07:39 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:07:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Invoices
In-Reply-To: <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com>	<4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk>
	<4471A773.9090107@egenix.com> <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <447D4ECB.20407@ita.chalmers.se>

Chris Withers said the following on 05/30/2006 10:22 PM:
	
> PPS: More seriously, how do I now get an invoice for my EUR120?
> 

Invoices will be sent out to all that have payed and to all that have
not payed so that they can pay. I will create and send a PDF as quickly
as I can manage.

If you need a paper copy or have other questions re payment and
invoices, send email to finance at europython.org (please use this
email-address, it will allow us to filter messages).

Use the epc at europython.org address for *payments only*.

Thanks,

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Wed May 31 10:11:44 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 10:11:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2006
In-Reply-To: <447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
References: <7896F0A1-89DD-44C9-A795-94172E04552D@commonground.com.au>	<44479630.5000802@egenix.com>
	<4471A4D4.30502@simplistix.co.uk> <4471A773.9090107@egenix.com>
	<447CA98D.3060203@simplistix.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7685CA98-7A5B-44E4-8ECE-B0491D66A43D@cern.ch>


On May 30, 2006, at 10:22 PM, Chris Withers wrote:

> M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> I booked the NH Geneva Airport Hotel which seems to be reasonably
>> close to CERN.
>>
>
> I've now booked here too and will be arriving very late Sunday 2nd  
> July
> and leaving on the afternoon of Thursday 6th July.
>
> So, hopefully the CERN tour will be early in the morning! :-D
It will be from 9 am till 12 am.  So you are lucky :-)

Cheers
Benedikt


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 31 11:23:10 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:23:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] For review and distribution. German Assimilation of
	Final draft of press release
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605310223q22fddeadm2b2e05ba0d1ac646@mail.gmail.com>

Liebe des deutschen m?chtige Listenmitglieder,

ich habe Pauls PresseErkl?rung ins Deutsch ?bertragen, und bitte um
Kommentare und weitergabe!

####

Vom 3. bis 5. Juli 2006 werden sich Softwareentwickler aus der ganzen
Welt in Genf treffen: dort findet die 5. EuroPython statt. EuroPython
ist eine j?hrliche Konferenz der Entwickler und Nutzer der
Programmiersprache Python.

"Python w?chst von Jahr zu Jahr; und auch die EuroPython steigert sich
mehr und mehr" - so die Worte von Benedikt Hegner, Gastgeber und einer
der Hauptorganisatoren der EuroPython 2006. "Dieses Jahr zog Guido van
Rossum, der Erfinder von Python zusammen mit einigen anderen wichtigen
Python-Entwicklern gen Google. Ein weiterer historischer Meilenstein
ist die EuroPython bei CERN, der Geburtsst?tte des Web"

Sowohl Guido van Rossum als auch Dr. Alan Kay; ein Pionier der
graphischen Datenverarbeitung und Gewinner des Turing Awards f?r seine
Beitr?ge zur Objektorientierten Programmierung werden als Hauptredner
auftreten.
Auf dem Programm stehen 3 Tage mit Seminaren und Vortr?gen in den
Bereichen Agile Development, Business, Teaching, Games, ein
erweiterter Track zum Thema Webframeworks und vieles mehr.

In den Konfernzen der Vorjahre waren Development Sprints, die
besonders lebhaften Lightning Talks ebenso beliebt wie der Austausch
mit gleichgesinnten - und auch auf der EuroPython 2006 sind dies
Kernkomponenten.

?ber ein halbes Jahrzehnt hat sich EuroPython als die wichtigste
Konferenz f?r Python Nutzer und Entwickler von Python in Europa
etabliert; und mehr und mehr Teilnehmer aus der Ganzen Welt finden
hinzu.
Die Konferenz wird von der Gemeinschaft der Python-Nutzer f?r die
Gemeinschaft organisiert - so sind die moderaten Konferenzgeb?hren von
190 Euro m?glich.

F?r mehr Informationen und zum Anmelden - bitte besuchen Sie die
Website auf ttp://www.europython.org/.

###

Gru? Harald


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
-
on different matter:
did you ever dream of visiting CERN? The place where the antimatter
for exploding Vatican is created? To eat in cantinas
with the worlds highest propability to stand in queue with future or
past Nobel Prize Winners? To talk about Web 2.5 at the place where Web
0.1 up to Web 1.0 were developed? register at www.europython.org!

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Wed May 31 11:38:51 2006
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:38:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] For review and distribution. German Assimilation
	of Final draft of press release
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605310223q22fddeadm2b2e05ba0d1ac646@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0605310223q22fddeadm2b2e05ba0d1ac646@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <05F48EEB-B982-4AB8-8EED-B5E3C995AC79@cern.ch>

The not german speaking folks - just ignore this email :-)

Danke Harald!

On May 31, 2006, at 11:23 AM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> Liebe des deutschen m?chtige Listenmitglieder,
>
> ich habe Pauls PresseErkl?rung ins Deutsch ?bertragen, und bitte um
> Kommentare und weitergabe!
>
> ####
>
> Vom 3. bis 5. Juli 2006 werden sich Softwareentwickler aus der ganzen
> Welt in Genf treffen: dort findet die 5. EuroPython statt. EuroPython
> ist eine j?hrliche Konferenz der Entwickler und Nutzer der
> Programmiersprache Python.
>
> "Python w?chst von Jahr zu Jahr; und auch die EuroPython steigert sich
> mehr und mehr" - so die Worte von Benedikt Hegner, Gastgeber und einer
> der Hauptorganisatoren der EuroPython 2006. "Dieses Jahr zog Guido van
> Rossum, der Erfinder von Python zusammen mit einigen anderen wichtigen
> Python-Entwicklern gen Google. Ein weiterer historischer Meilenstein
> ist die EuroPython bei CERN, der Geburtsst?tte des Web"
>
> Sowohl Guido van Rossum als auch Dr. Alan Kay; ein Pionier der
> graphischen Datenverarbeitung und Gewinner des Turing Awards f?r seine
> Beitr?ge zur Objektorientierten Programmierung werden als Hauptredner
> auftreten.
Zeichensetzung:
Sowohl Guido van Rossum als auch Dr. Alan Kay, ein Pionier der
graphischen Datenverarbeitung und Gewinner des Turing Awards f?r seine
Beitr?ge zur Objektorientierten Programmierung, werden als Hauptredner
auftreten.


> Auf dem Programm stehen 3 Tage mit Seminaren und Vortr?gen in den
> Bereichen Agile Development, Business, Teaching, Games, ein
> erweiterter Track zum Thema Webframeworks und vieles mehr.
"drei Tage" statt "3 Tage"
>
> In den Konfernzen der Vorjahre waren Development Sprints, die
> besonders lebhaften Lightning Talks ebenso beliebt wie der Austausch
> mit gleichgesinnten - und auch auf der EuroPython 2006 sind dies
> Kernkomponenten.
Konferenzen
Development Sprints _und_ die besonders lebhaften...
  und "zentrale

> ?ber ein halbes Jahrzehnt hat sich EuroPython als die wichtigste
> Konferenz f?r Python Nutzer und Entwickler von Python in Europa
> etabliert; und mehr und mehr Teilnehmer aus der Ganzen Welt finden
> hinzu.
Python-Nutzer (wie unten verwendet) und -Entwickler
_g_anzen Welt

> Die Konferenz wird von der Gemeinschaft der Python-Nutzer f?r die
> Gemeinschaft organisiert - so sind die moderaten Konferenzgeb?hren von
> 190 Euro m?glich.
koennte man nicht Community stehen lassen?

>
> F?r mehr Informationen und zum Anmelden - bitte besuchen Sie die
> Website auf ttp://www.europython.org/.
http://www.europython.org/


Ciao
Benedikt

From tug at wilson.co.uk  Wed May 31 12:08:01 2006
From: tug at wilson.co.uk (John Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 11:08:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <CERNFE02SzSnXOVGozK00001b4a@cernfe02.cern.ch>
References: <CERNFE02SzSnXOVGozK00001b4a@cernfe02.cern.ch>
Message-ID: <CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>


On 24 May 2006, at 13:10, Euro-Loc.Secretariat at cern.ch wrote:

> Dear Mr. John Wilson,
>
> thank you for registering for EuroPython 2006. To pay the  
> registration fee please use the following information:
>
> IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm
>
> For your convenience, we include the following information:
> The fees are listed at:
> http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues
>
> In case you discover problems or have any questions, please don't  
> hesitate
> to send a mail to:  europython at python.org
>
> Best regards,
>
> The EuroPython Organizers


Hi!

Would it be possible to pay for this some other way than by bank  
transfer? It is a very costly way of paying small amounts (My back  
estimates it would cost ?30 to make the transfer.


John Wilson
The Wilson Partnership
web http://www.wilson.co.uk
blog http://eek.ook.org



From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 31 13:05:01 2006
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:05:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>
References: <CERNFE02SzSnXOVGozK00001b4a@cernfe02.cern.ch>
	<CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0605310405t3f5089bch7050397aba6206b1@mail.gmail.com>

John,

please have a look at

http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/registration-details/payment-information

according to the European regulation (EU regulation 2560/2001):

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAction.do?reference=MEMO/03/140

it is illegal for your bank to charge that high costs anymore.

The short version is: bank transfers from EU-country to EU-country =
same as within country, for you an addition of Pound2Euro costs.

There are still payment options via World Pay or PayPal which somebody
else will explain.

best wishes,

Harald


On 5/31/06, John Wilson <tug at wilson.co.uk> wrote:
>
> On 24 May 2006, at 13:10, Euro-Loc.Secretariat at cern.ch wrote:
>
> > Dear Mr. John Wilson,
> >
> > thank you for registering for EuroPython 2006. To pay the
> > registration fee please use the following information:
> >
> > IBAN : SE76 8000 0810 5903 7676 5343
> > BIC/SWIFT :  SWEDSESS
> > Bank Address: 105 34 Stockholm
> >
> > For your convenience, we include the following information:
> > The fees are listed at:
> > http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues
> >
> > In case you discover problems or have any questions, please don't
> > hesitate
> > to send a mail to:  europython at python.org
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > The EuroPython Organizers
>
>
> Hi!
>
> Would it be possible to pay for this some other way than by bank
> transfer? It is a very costly way of paying small amounts (My back
> estimates it would cost ?30 to make the transfer.
>
>
> John Wilson
> The Wilson Partnership
> web http://www.wilson.co.uk
> blog http://eek.ook.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>


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Harald Armin Massa
Reinsburgstra?e 202b
70197 Stuttgart
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on different matter:
did you ever dream of visiting CERN? The place where the antimatter
for exploding Vatican is created? To eat in cantinas
with the worlds highest propability to stand in queue with future or
past Nobel Prize Winners? To talk about Web 2.5 at the place where Web
0.1 up to Web 1.0 were developed? register at www.europython.org!

From dario at ita.chalmers.se  Wed May 31 13:05:57 2006
From: dario at ita.chalmers.se (=?windows-1252?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 13:05:57 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>
References: <CERNFE02SzSnXOVGozK00001b4a@cernfe02.cern.ch>
	<CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>
Message-ID: <447D7895.2080908@ita.chalmers.se>

John Wilson said the following on 05/31/2006 12:08 PM:
> 
> Hi!
> 
> Would it be possible to pay for this some other way than by bank  
> transfer? It is a very costly way of paying small amounts (My back  
> estimates it would cost ?30 to make the transfer.
> 

Yor bank may be lying to you. See this page:
http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/registration-details/payment-information

"""It has been recommended that to take advantage of low-cost
international payments (EU regulation 2560/2001), the costs of the
transaction be specified as "shared""""

You may also use PayPal to pay. In that case use epc at europython.org as
the address.

/dario

-- 
-- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Dario Lopez-K?sten, IT Systems & Services Chalmers University of Tech.
Lyrics applied to programming & application design:
"emancipate yourself from mental slavery" - redemption song, b. marley


From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Wed May 31 16:40:24 2006
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 15:40:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <447D7895.2080908@ita.chalmers.se>
References: <CERNFE02SzSnXOVGozK00001b4a@cernfe02.cern.ch>	<CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>
	<447D7895.2080908@ita.chalmers.se>
Message-ID: <447DAAD8.8020608@simplistix.co.uk>

Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> Yor bank may be lying to you. See this page:
> http://www.europython.org/sections/registration_issues/registration-details/payment-information
> 
> """It has been recommended that to take advantage of low-cost
> international payments (EU regulation 2560/2001), the costs of the
> transaction be specified as "shared""""

You can spot people who haven't dealt with UK banks a mile off ;-)

Chris

-- 
Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting
            - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

From andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch  Wed May 31 16:47:44 2006
From: andreas.pfeiffer at cern.ch (Andreas Pfeiffer)
Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 16:47:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython payment
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0605310405t3f5089bch7050397aba6206b1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CERNFE02SzSnXOVGozK00001b4a@cernfe02.cern.ch>
	<CAF1A47F-B30C-401B-A20D-027679404F69@wilson.co.uk>
	<7be3f35d0605310405t3f5089bch7050397aba6206b1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3C1CAE09-266C-47F7-95EA-338FF970BC20@cern.ch>

Hi all,

> The short version is: bank transfers from EU-country to EU-country =
> same as within country, for you an addition of Pound2Euro costs.

... please correct me if I'm wrong, but IIRC this statement is only  
correct
if it would read "EUR-country" instead of "EU-country", i.e., only  
countries
in which the EURO is the default currency participate in this.

All other (even EU) countries which do not have the EURO as their  
currency
do not follow this rule. Which includes GB amongst some of the  
newcomers :-)
Of course you might find a bank which is willing to do this, but as  
this would
cost money to the bank ... (if you do find one, let me know :-))

	cheers, andreas