From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu Mar  1 09:45:54 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 09:45:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward -- IRC meeting 7th March?
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Hello Bea, Michael and all EuroPythonistas!

>
> As such, we think we should have a meeting in #europython on freenode on
> Wednesday the 7th of March at 18:00 central european time.


I will not be able to attend that meeting, as I will be within a very
firewalled and portblocked and webfiltered environment (no, it's not prison,
but a very nice and friendly customer)


> People shouldn't wait until then to say that they are interested in
> chairing a track though :-)  Getting some kind of discussion going here
> would hardly be a bad thing... for instance, what tracks should we have this
> year?


Eagerly I volunteer to be the *Conf?rencier* for Ligthning talks and
everything that needs somebody with a loud and clear voice and the
willingness to be a clown if necessary :)

If needed, I am willing to serve as a a trackchair.

Harald

sidenote: google mail picked out the meeting text from mwhs mail and
offerend me to add that meeting to my calender ... I AM SHOCKED. Who does
work on the semantic web anymore...
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From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Mon Mar  5 22:17:58 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:17:58 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward -- IRC meeting 7th March?
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2007/2/28, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk>:

> I think we really need to establish and publish a timeline.

yes, this is necessary, as soon as possible.

Based on last year version of the wiki, I have worked on

http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2007

and

http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007 for the organizers.

There you'll find other pages to help prepare the ircmeetings and
other points. I haven't so far had time to work on a timeline (that I
wanted to copy and adapt from last year) also because the
wiki has a very slow response time). Does anyone knows what could
happen and who to contact to let the problem be known and checked ?
(the problem could be on my side, but I do not have any other problem
with Internet)

> As was noted last
> year, there's a lot of stuff which can happily go on in parallel with the
> organisation of the local details, and people need help in deciding whether
> they're going to be doing a talk, how long they have to prepare for it, how
> long they can hold off before registering, and so on (hoping that we don't
> get a lot of warmed up talks from PyCon, incidentally).
>
> > As such, we think we should have a meeting in #europython on freenode on
> > Wednesday the 7th of March at 18:00 central european time.
>
> That wouldn't fit in with my schedule, but I'd gladly volunteer to be a
> general Web monkey like last year, especially if it dampens down the debate
> about which Web publishing solution gets used.

As I wrote, I proposed to switch from CPS (that I do not know) to
Plone (that I know enough to work with, as wrote another person from
the list too). I won't debate on that further than to let know that I
can help if EP uses Plone and would not if it does not. And I think
that if we change now, before too much new content goes into the new
site, it should not be very difficult.

Thanks,

Nicolas
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From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Mon Mar  5 22:25:15 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:25:15 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] The Python Papers and EuroPython 2007
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2007/2/20, Tennessee Leeuwenburg <tennessee at tennessee.id.au>:

> I am the editor-in-chief of The Python Papers (http://pythonpapers.org), a
> Python magazine created by a noncommercial group of enthusiasts. I am
> currently contacting various conference organisers about the possibilities
> of collaboration. Our next edition is due out in May, which is a little
> before EuroPython 2007 is scheduled for.

thank you for your interest and for the contact.

> I thought you might like to contribute an article covering the event to let
> people know more about it. It would also be good to include any information
> about last years' event, some selected photos etc.

Much of the material can still be found about the talks on the
europython.org site and on the related cern site.

THere were, if I remember, some report that I'll loof fr and
eventually adapt to send you.  I do not have any picture though. Maybe
some other have or the web somewhere.

>  Additionally, in our next edition we will be including a review of python
> papers and articles published in the last year. Where we have access to
> conference proceedings, we will try to select a few articles for inclusion
> in this effort. Going forward, it would be great to have people nominate and
> vote for favourite articles. I was unable to find the proceedings of
> EuroPython 2006. Would it be possible to have access to this?

there were no official proceedings as I know of, but most papers and
slides are posted.

> The PyCon committee has also graciously sponsored some bag inserts
> advertising the Python Papers to attendees. Would something similar be
> possible for EuroPython 2007?

I suppose this could be possible, but the comitee must decide.

Thanks again for your interest,

Nicolas
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue Mar  6 00:00:42 2007
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 00:00:42 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward -- IRC meeting 7th March?
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On Monday 05 March 2007 22:17, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
>
> Based on last year version of the wiki, I have worked on
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2007
>
> and
>
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007 for the organizers.
>
> There you'll find other pages to help prepare the ircmeetings and
> other points. I haven't so far had time to work on a timeline (that I
> wanted to copy and adapt from last year) also because the
> wiki has a very slow response time). Does anyone knows what could
> happen and who to contact to let the problem be known and checked ?
> (the problem could be on my side, but I do not have any other problem
> with Internet)

The Wiki can be quite slow. However, I copied last year's timeline into the 
Wiki, and I think it's about time to start keeping pace with last year's 
developments, especially as the non-local stuff didn't pick up pace until 
quite late on. See here for more:

http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2007/ProposedTimeline

> As I wrote, I proposed to switch from CPS (that I do not know) to
> Plone (that I know enough to work with, as wrote another person from
> the list too). I won't debate on that further than to let know that I
> can help if EP uses Plone and would not if it does not. And I think
> that if we change now, before too much new content goes into the new
> site, it should not be very difficult.

Either way, we need to have a site live in the next two weeks, in my opinion. 
Firstly, because people thinking ahead need something to relate to. Secondly, 
because we had the site up in an unfinished state by mid-March last year. And 
last year we also got ourselves into a situation where people were 
registering for something about which they knew potentially very little, so 
it's best not to regard last year's timeline as particularly strict.

The advantage this year is that the site is already live, but it needs 
updating. I've volunteered to help out, but I can't sanity check things about 
Vilnius like I could about Geneva and CERN. I will work with more or less any 
of the proposed technologies, though, but CPS will be fine unless someone 
wants lots of fancy features (and presumably to replace Indico as well) and 
thinks that this will enrich the conference participants' lifestyles in some 
way. (If so, they should have started doing so last year, however, so I would 
advise against it.)

Just for fun, in the timeline I also brought in some comparisons with PyCon 
because it can be quite fascinating to speculate about what they've done 
right. Certainly, the longer registration period can't have done much harm, 
despite the observation that there aren't always many early takers, and 
having a published schedule before registration opens is also likely to be 
persuasive. I suppose having a conference in February focuses people on 
getting as much done before Christmas holidays begin - two months or more 
before it opens.

If we were to plan deadlines according to PyCon "rules", but not leave a gap 
between talk acceptances and opening registration (although the schedule may 
have been published later), things would look like this:

Talk submission start: 25th February
Talk submission end: 12th April
Schedule announced, registration opens: 27th April
Registration ends: 29th June

I look forward to reading the summary from Wednesday's IRC meeting. :-)

Paul

From aiste at pov.lt  Tue Mar  6 08:12:49 2007
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 09:12:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward -- IRC meeting 7th March?
In-Reply-To: <200703060000.42679.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <aa0dfd860702280839s377275bfn60c5eece3a945f11@mail.gmail.com>
	<200702282042.29826.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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	<200703060000.42679.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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> updating. I've volunteered to help out, but I can't sanity check things about 
> Vilnius like I could about Geneva and CERN. I will work with more or less any 

You can sanity check them anytime against me :)
or simply send me the links or whatever, where the relevant info should
go -- I will fill it in.

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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 11:54:24 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 11:54:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward -- IRC meeting 7th March?
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Nicolas,

As I wrote, I proposed to switch from CPS (that I do not know) to
> Plone (that I know enough to work with, as wrote another person from
> the list too). I won't debate on that further than to let know that I
> can help if EP uses Plone and would not if it does not.


As I counted the votes, there was absolute agreement: change to whatever
fits your needs.

My understanding was that the "switch to Plone" was decided, as nobody
contradicted.  It was also decided to try to use ZEO below that Zope which
is below that Plone.

What else has to happen? Who can make that "else" happen so you can start
using Plone?

Harald

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From david at boddie.org.uk  Tue Mar  6 02:46:21 2007
From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:46:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] The Python Papers and EuroPython 2007
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On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:55:06 +1100, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote: 

> I am the editor-in-chief of The Python Papers (http://pythonpapers.org), a
> Python magazine created by a noncommercial group of enthusiasts. I am
> currently contacting various conference organisers about the possibilities
> of collaboration. Our next edition is due out in May, which is a little
> before EuroPython 2007 is scheduled for.
>
> I thought you might like to contribute an article covering the event to let
> people know more about it. It would also be good to include any information
> about last years' event, some selected photos etc.

It might be interesting to take a look at the photos on Flickr and contact
the photographers whose photos you like to ask for their permission to use
them:

http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=tags
http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=text

Assuming you're successful, some of these photos should complement quite
nicely what Nicolas is proposing to write.

> Additionally, in our next edition we will be including a review of python
> papers and articles published in the last year. Where we have access to
> conference proceedings, we will try to select a few articles for inclusion
> in this effort. Going forward, it would be great to have people nominate
> and vote for favourite articles. I was unable to find the proceedings of
> EuroPython 2006. Would it be possible to have access to this?

The CERN conference site is available for anyone to access:

http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=44

The timetable and speaker list pages available from that page are
particularly useful.

David

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Tue Mar  6 18:41:00 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 18:41:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] moving forward -- IRC meeting 7th March?
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2007/3/6, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
> As I counted the votes, there was absolute agreement: change to whatever
> fits your needs.
>
> My understanding was that the "switch to Plone" was decided, as nobody
> contradicted.  It was also decided to try to use ZEO below that Zope which
> is below that Plone.

yes, but I do not have the time *and* all the needed competencies
personnally to go alone in that direction (aka install and feed
plone), and I have written to the hoster who were supposed to provide
ZEO but I haven't got any answer so far. So I cannot do anything.

I could offer a plone site on my personnal plone but this does not
have ZEO behind.

> What else has to happen? Who can make that "else" happen so you can start
> using Plone?

anyone who can provide an effective contact where I can install plone
on zope with zeo and provide some technical help.

Otherwise, I'll go on putting stuff in the wiki and let other people
who can cope with CPS, like Paul, do that work. This is OK for me but
a little time comsuming as 2 people are needed to publish nes material
and content.

Thanks,

Nicolas
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From matt at bulls.mine.nu  Tue Mar  6 20:09:35 2007
From: matt at bulls.mine.nu (Matthew Bull)
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 19:09:35 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] website hosting / moving forward...
Message-ID: <1173208175.5878.34.camel@quicksilver.telemedicsystems.local>

Hi Nicholas / List,

There are a couple of specialist zope / plone companies you could
approach or we (TeleMedic Systems) have a spare server we could let
europython use in return for a sponsor credit... the advantage to the
later is I would have 24/7 physical access to the box and we would have
a complete server to play with.... I've done plone installs in the past
(we use plone fairly heavily internally) but have never used ZEO so may
need a little advice on that (seeing as how europython seems to be part
eurozope these days surely there is someone with some experience of this
to advise, when I get stuck ;-) the only outstanding issue is
integration with Indico (if thats whats being used this year) and the
payment system...

My apologies but I can't make the IRC meet tomorrow (I'll be on a plane)
and will be off the grid for the next week (all bar my mobile) but I'll
touch base with you all when I get back...

Hoping we can help take this forward.

Matt

(sorry if your getting this twice nicholas, python.org doesn't seem to
like out SMTP server!!)

On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 18:41 +0100, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> 2007/3/6, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
> > As I counted the votes, there was absolute agreement: change to
whatever
> > fits your needs.
> >
> > My understanding was that the "switch to Plone" was decided, as
nobody
> > contradicted.  It was also decided to try to use ZEO below that Zope
which
> > is below that Plone.
> 
> yes, but I do not have the time *and* all the needed competencies
> personnally to go alone in that direction (aka install and feed
> plone), and I have written to the hoster who were supposed to provide
> ZEO but I haven't got any answer so far. So I cannot do anything.
> 
> I could offer a plone site on my personnal plone but this does not
> have ZEO behind.
> 
> > What else has to happen? Who can make that "else" happen so you can
start
> > using Plone?
> 
> anyone who can provide an effective contact where I can install plone
> on zope with zeo and provide some technical help.
> 
> Otherwise, I'll go on putting stuff in the wiki and let other people
> who can cope with CPS, like Paul, do that work. This is OK for me but
> a little time comsuming as 2 people are needed to publish nes material
> and content.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Nicolas
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue Mar  6 21:13:29 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 21:13:29 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website hosting / moving forward...
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Matt,

for my eyes this looks beautifull.

>
> There are a couple of specialist zope / plone companies you could
> approach or we (TeleMedic Systems) have a spare server we could let
> europython use in return for a sponsor credit... the advantage to the
> later is I would have 24/7 physical access to the box and we would have
> a complete server to play with....


that's especially nice since we also need to install Indico on that server.

Did I understand correctly, that for sponsor credit TeleMedic will "lent"
that server & connection to EuroPython, and you can take care of installing
the Z-app-stack and Plone, so Nicolas is able to put everything upwards to
live?

So, I vote for that solution with everything I can vote for :)

Harald



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From reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net  Tue Mar  6 22:08:21 2007
From: reinoud.v at n.leeuwen.net (Reinoud van Leeuwen)
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:08:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website hosting / moving forward...
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References: <1173208175.5878.34.camel@quicksilver.telemedicsystems.local>
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On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 07:09:35PM +0000, Matthew Bull wrote:
> Hi Nicholas / List,
> 
> There are a couple of specialist zope / plone companies you could
> approach or we (TeleMedic Systems) have a spare server we could let
> europython use in return for a sponsor credit... the advantage to the
> later is I would have 24/7 physical access to the box and we would have
> a complete server to play with.... I've done plone installs in the past

Is that neccessary? Most servers I manage (about 400) I've never seen IRL. 
As long as you have a consoleserver and a powerswitch, physical access is 
only needed in case of hardware faillure


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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Wed Mar  7 01:07:02 2007
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 01:07:02 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website hosting / moving forward...
In-Reply-To: <1173208175.5878.34.camel@quicksilver.telemedicsystems.local>
References: <1173208175.5878.34.camel@quicksilver.telemedicsystems.local>
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On Tuesday 06 March 2007 20:09, Matthew Bull wrote:
> Hi Nicholas / List,
>
> There are a couple of specialist zope / plone companies you could
> approach or we (TeleMedic Systems) have a spare server we could let
> europython use in return for a sponsor credit... the advantage to the
> later is I would have 24/7 physical access to the box and we would have
> a complete server to play with....

This is a generous offer, and I'll leave it to the official organisers to 
decide whether a switch to Plone and to such an environment is desirable. 
However, I stand by what I wrote before about having the site ready very soon 
- such a switch may be a delaying factor, and I don't really think we have 
very long before the visibility of the conference has to be increased, talk 
submissions solicited, and so on.

> I've done plone installs in the past 
> (we use plone fairly heavily internally) but have never used ZEO so may
> need a little advice on that (seeing as how europython seems to be part
> eurozope these days surely there is someone with some experience of this
> to advise, when I get stuck ;-) the only outstanding issue is
> integration with Indico (if thats whats being used this year) and the
> payment system...

Note that Indico does "E-Payment" in the registration now (see the 3rd August 
2006 update):

http://cdsware.cern.ch/indico/news.html

I see that EuroPython has to use its own Indico server this time around:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-August/006119.html

And I suppose the details of the 2006 conference will remain where they are 
for the foreseeable future. I guess the details of previous conferences are 
archived somewhere.

> My apologies but I can't make the IRC meet tomorrow (I'll be on a plane)
> and will be off the grid for the next week (all bar my mobile) but I'll
> touch base with you all when I get back...
>
> Hoping we can help take this forward.

Within my own time constraints (which are hopefully fairly slack) I'm happy to 
work on either CPS or Plone, and I can do this more or less immediately. I 
would like to know what the concrete reasons for a switch are, however. Are 
we actually planning more functionality or do people just dislike CPS? Will 
the current hosting go away? Are the people wanting to switch actually going 
to work on content? If people have "PyCon envy" (nice schedule pop-ups which 
has me chasing them around in one of my browsers before they disappear) it's 
arguably getting quite late to think about developing fancy conference 
software even though it's all supposedly so easy in Python.

A perusal of this thread may be instructive:

http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-January/005562.html

Remember that this discussion took place a bit earlier last year and ended up 
settling on using the same software again (in an uneasy silence).

Paul

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Wed Mar  7 08:44:08 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 08:44:08 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Use of pictures for The Python Papers and EuroPython
	2007
Message-ID: <f89206d80703062344o2d73b428j9a07f2bb06002aac@mail.gmail.com>

I forward herewith a positive answer from Host Jens about the use of
pictures of EP2006 he made and posted to flickr.

Thanks to him and for the ideas to use them to Paul.

I'll start using some of them and some others text to build a short
presentation text that could be used in Python Papers to speak about
EP2007; please come and check in the wiki at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2007/ArticleForPythonPapers

Nicolas

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Horst JENS <horst.jens at chello.at>
Date: 7 mars 2007 06:10
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] The Python Papers and EuroPython 2007
To: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be


Hi,
you can use all my pictures i uploaded on flickr. (Horstjens).
I also wrote some posting with personal impressions from the
Europython2006 ... it is in german, i can do you a translation if you
find it interesting.

http://www.python-forum.de/topic-6445.html


My picture should be on flickr too or take the picture from the
attachment.

This email has nothing to do with the email i wrote about
"please review my python from kids tutorial videos at www.showmedo.com",
right ?


If you cover Europython2006, please try to contact Gregor Lindl (also on
some flickr photos) who did an amazing presentation of his xturtle
module and his "Python f?r Kids" Book.
http://ada.rg16.asn-wien.ac.at/~python/literatur.html


greetings,
        -Horst


On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 21:01 +0100, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> Dear,
>
> Could we use your picture to illustrate the Europython website as well
> as some articles about previous edition (eg 2006) about EP in
> pythonpapers as Paul Boddie suggests here below ?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Nicolas
>
> 2007/3/6, David Boddie <david at boddie.org.uk>:
> > On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:55:06 +1100, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
> >
> > > I am the editor-in-chief of The Python Papers (http://pythonpapers.org), a
> > > Python magazine created by a noncommercial group of enthusiasts. I am
> > > currently contacting various conference organisers about the possibilities
> > > of collaboration. Our next edition is due out in May, which is a little
> > > before EuroPython 2007 is scheduled for.
> > >
> > > I thought you might like to contribute an article covering the event to let
> > > people know more about it. It would also be good to include any information
> > > about last years' event, some selected photos etc.
> >
> > It might be interesting to take a look at the photos on Flickr and contact
> > the photographers whose photos you like to ask for their permission to use
> > them:
> >
> > http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=tags
> > http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=text
> >
> > Assuming you're successful, some of these photos should complement quite
> > nicely what Nicolas is proposing to write.
> >
> > > Additionally, in our next edition we will be including a review of python
> > > papers and articles published in the last year. Where we have access to
> > > conference proceedings, we will try to select a few articles for inclusion
> > > in this effort. Going forward, it would be great to have people nominate
> > > and vote for favourite articles. I was unable to find the proceedings of
> > > EuroPython 2006. Would it be possible to have access to this?
> >
> > The CERN conference site is available for anyone to access:
> >
> > http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=44
> >
> > The timetable and speaker list pages available from that page are
> > particularly useful.
> >
> > David
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
>
>



-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Wed Mar  7 09:03:24 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 09:03:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website hosting / moving forward...
In-Reply-To: <200703070107.03142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <1173208175.5878.34.camel@quicksilver.telemedicsystems.local>
	<200703070107.03142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <f89206d80703070003v3732bd3cj7b1b2b93b007ff63@mail.gmail.com>

2007/3/7, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk>:

> This is a generous offer,

thanks indeed

> and I'll leave it to the official organisers to
> decide whether a switch to Plone and to such an environment is desirable.

yes.

> However, I stand by what I wrote before about having the site ready very soon
> - such a switch may be a delaying factor, and I don't really think we have
> very long before the visibility of the conference has to be increased, talk
> submissions solicited, and so on.

I completely agree with Paul. We need to have a visible website with
comptemporary content asap.

Maybe my previous posts were not clear. I restate them.

I proposed a switch to Plone *some time ago* because I wanted the same
as Paul, but I considered that I could not work in CPS (even with a
login, I could hardly find my way in the editing pages, do any actual
editing and realize there how the pages that I edit would look like).
So, *for me*, CPS was more a blocking point. And furthermore, I
consider that advertizing CPS as we do now on EP makes little sense.
But this is not important *now*.

If Paul knows CPS and can help, and can put the content, perhaps help
me a little to get to understand how to work (only the basics) with
CPS, and we can have rapidly a working site for EP2007, then let's go
now with CPS.

I would suggest that we keep somewhere a copy of the EP2006 site as it
was, as a reference and archive of the previous editions.

For now on, I'll keep on working in the wiki, and try to work if I can
and find the time, also in the site that Paull will be working on.

Thanks Paul for your help.

> Note that Indico does "E-Payment" in the registration now (see the 3rd August
> 2006 update):
>
> http://cdsware.cern.ch/indico/news.html
>
> I see that EuroPython has to use its own Indico server this time around:
>
> http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-August/006119.html

indeed.

So we need to find asap a machine of our own, not the one of CERN,
where we (the people working on EP2007 orgainisation, but who could
help with this job ?) could install
indico for our own use.

> And I suppose the details of the 2006 conference will remain where they are
> for the foreseeable future. I guess the details of previous conferences are
> archived somewhere.

I would like to be sure of this, but this should no block us now.

> Within my own time constraints (which are hopefully fairly slack) I'm happy to
> work on either CPS or Plone, and I can do this more or less immediately.

thanks Paul

> I
> would like to know what the concrete reasons for a switch are, however.

I hope my reasons are now clear enough. With you on board, there is no
very good reason anymore.

> Are the people wanting to switch actually going
> to work on content?

that was my main point. For now, I propose to work on the content in
the wiki and start learning the basics of CPS with you for example, if
needed.

> arguably getting quite late to think about developing fancy conference
> software even though it's all supposedly so easy in Python.

completely true.

Let's go on today (aka this year) with CPS and we'll reconsider the
switch next year.

Nicolas

PS I am afraid that it will be difficult for me to be online on irc
later today as I have to attend another, physical and professionnal,
meeting.

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From jmo at ita.chalmers.se  Wed Mar  7 10:35:25 2007
From: jmo at ita.chalmers.se (Jean-Marc Orliaguet)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 10:35:25 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] website hosting / moving forward...
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80703070003v3732bd3cj7b1b2b93b007ff63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1173208175.5878.34.camel@quicksilver.telemedicsystems.local>	<200703070107.03142.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<f89206d80703070003v3732bd3cj7b1b2b93b007ff63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EE875D.9040606@ita.chalmers.se>

Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> 2007/3/7, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk>:
>
>   
>> This is a generous offer,
>>     
>
> thanks indeed
>
>   
>> and I'll leave it to the official organisers to
>> decide whether a switch to Plone and to such an environment is desirable.
>>     
>
> yes.
>
>   
>> However, I stand by what I wrote before about having the site ready very soon
>> - such a switch may be a delaying factor, and I don't really think we have
>> very long before the visibility of the conference has to be increased, talk
>> submissions solicited, and so on.
>>     
>
> I completely agree with Paul. We need to have a visible website with
> comptemporary content asap.
>
> Maybe my previous posts were not clear. I restate them.
>
> I proposed a switch to Plone *some time ago* because I wanted the same
> as Paul, but I considered that I could not work in CPS (even with a
> login, I could hardly find my way in the editing pages, do any actual
> editing and realize there how the pages that I edit would look like).
> So, *for me*, CPS was more a blocking point. And furthermore, I
> consider that advertizing CPS as we do now on EP makes little sense.
> But this is not important *now*.
>
> If Paul knows CPS and can help, and can put the content, perhaps help
> me a little to get to understand how to work (only the basics) with
> CPS, and we can have rapidly a working site for EP2007, then let's go
> now with CPS.
>
> I would suggest that we keep somewhere a copy of the EP2006 site as it
> was, as a reference and archive of the previous editions.
>
> For now on, I'll keep on working in the wiki, and try to work if I can
> and find the time, also in the site that Paull will be working on.
>   

But, if you need help just ask. I think you gave up too quickly on the 
existing site and focused instead on promoting plone, while expecting 
others to do the job for you.
Honestly, I think that redoing the entire site is more complicated than 
learning how to get started with using CPS.

I won't be able to spend too much time with the site this year, but we 
are talking about updating and republishing existing documents right 
now, not about writing code in python for CPS, maybe changing the 
banners, that's easy.

As far as CPS goes, it is still officially supported for 2-3 years to 
come. Since no new features are being added and only bugs are being 
fixed, it is really getting more and more stable, so apart from the "PR" 
problem you are facing, I don't see a problem really with the current 
solution.

when it comes to ZEO, I'm not sure why it matters at all.

/JM

From cs at comlounge.net  Wed Mar  7 11:53:06 2007
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:53:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Use of pictures for The Python Papers and
 EuroPython 2007
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80703062344o2d73b428j9a07f2bb06002aac@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f89206d80703062344o2d73b428j9a07f2bb06002aac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <45EE9992.7010606@comlounge.net>

Hi!

Just as note: If it fits, feel also free to use any of mine photos.
They can be found here:

http://flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/sets/72157594184370918/

and here are those from 2005:

http://flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/sets/502414/

cheers,

Christian


Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> I forward herewith a positive answer from Host Jens about the use of
> pictures of EP2006 he made and posted to flickr.
> 
> Thanks to him and for the ideas to use them to Paul.
> 
> I'll start using some of them and some others text to build a short
> presentation text that could be used in Python Papers to speak about
> EP2007; please come and check in the wiki at
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2007/ArticleForPythonPapers
> 
> Nicolas
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Horst JENS <horst.jens at chello.at>
> Date: 7 mars 2007 06:10
> Subject: Re: [EuroPython] The Python Papers and EuroPython 2007
> To: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be
> 
> 
> Hi,
> you can use all my pictures i uploaded on flickr. (Horstjens).
> I also wrote some posting with personal impressions from the
> Europython2006 ... it is in german, i can do you a translation if you
> find it interesting.
> 
> http://www.python-forum.de/topic-6445.html
> 
> 
> My picture should be on flickr too or take the picture from the
> attachment.
> 
> This email has nothing to do with the email i wrote about
> "please review my python from kids tutorial videos at www.showmedo.com",
> right ?
> 
> 
> If you cover Europython2006, please try to contact Gregor Lindl (also on
> some flickr photos) who did an amazing presentation of his xturtle
> module and his "Python f?r Kids" Book.
> http://ada.rg16.asn-wien.ac.at/~python/literatur.html
> 
> 
> greetings,
>         -Horst
> 
> 
> On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 21:01 +0100, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
>> Dear,
>>
>> Could we use your picture to illustrate the Europython website as well
>> as some articles about previous edition (eg 2006) about EP in
>> pythonpapers as Paul Boddie suggests here below ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Nicolas
>>
>> 2007/3/6, David Boddie <david at boddie.org.uk>:
>>> On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:55:06 +1100, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am the editor-in-chief of The Python Papers (http://pythonpapers.org), a
>>>> Python magazine created by a noncommercial group of enthusiasts. I am
>>>> currently contacting various conference organisers about the possibilities
>>>> of collaboration. Our next edition is due out in May, which is a little
>>>> before EuroPython 2007 is scheduled for.
>>>>
>>>> I thought you might like to contribute an article covering the event to let
>>>> people know more about it. It would also be good to include any information
>>>> about last years' event, some selected photos etc.
>>> It might be interesting to take a look at the photos on Flickr and contact
>>> the photographers whose photos you like to ask for their permission to use
>>> them:
>>>
>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=tags
>>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=text
>>>
>>> Assuming you're successful, some of these photos should complement quite
>>> nicely what Nicolas is proposing to write.
>>>
>>>> Additionally, in our next edition we will be including a review of python
>>>> papers and articles published in the last year. Where we have access to
>>>> conference proceedings, we will try to select a few articles for inclusion
>>>> in this effort. Going forward, it would be great to have people nominate
>>>> and vote for favourite articles. I was unable to find the proceedings of
>>>> EuroPython 2006. Would it be possible to have access to this?
>>> The CERN conference site is available for anyone to access:
>>>
>>> http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=44
>>>
>>> The timetable and speaker list pages available from that page are
>>> particularly useful.
>>>
>>> David
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>> EuroPython at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>>
>>
> 
> 
> 


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From micahel at gmail.com  Thu Mar  8 15:26:13 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2007 14:26:13 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from the meeting
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the notes that Bea took and I edited from the meeting yesterday.

You can also see them online at
http://codespeak.net/svn/user/mwh/ep2007/meeting-notes-2007-03-08.html

All interested people are invited to read over what we discussed, and
in particular suggestions of keynote speaker would be welcome.

Planning session Europython 2007
================================

:When: 18:00 CET 2007-03-08
:Where: #europython on freenode.net
:Who: mwh, Aiste, SteveA, arigo, pedronis, thisfred, bea

Nick->Real Name Key :)
----------------------

+---------+--------------------------+
|mwh      |Michael Hudson            |
+---------+--------------------------+
|Aiste    |Aiste Kesminaite          |
+---------+--------------------------+
|SteveA   |Steve Alexander           |
+---------+--------------------------+
|arigo    |Armin Rigo                |
+---------+--------------------------+
|pedronis |Samuele Pedroni           |
+---------+--------------------------+
|thisfred |Eric Casteleijn           |
+---------+--------------------------+
|bea      |Bea During                |
+---------+--------------------------+

Agenda
------

1. **Discuss and decide on tracks to offer (trackchairs) (so far:
   education track, lightning talk):**

   Decision: three main tracks: lang+lib/web/science+refereed
   Also an parallel Open Space track where we will encourage
   agile, games, educ and such to enter.

   Trackchairs:

   - lang+lib: pedronis (but he needs a co-chair - Bea will try to recruit one)
   - science+refereed: benedicte (XXX Michael - is this his name??) and arigo
   - web: no track chair yet - mwh will try to recruit
   - open space: bea + need to recruit co-chairs (nicolas for the education
     parts that could go here?, others?)
   - lightning talks: Harald

   This fits the facilities in Vilnius: we will have 1 large room and 3
   "smaller" rooms

2. **Discuss and decide on timeline suggested:**

   Decision::

     9th of March         Track chairs and conference organization
(roles) decided upon.
     16th of March        Call for proposals out
                          Website updated and "up and running"
     16th of April        Keynotes announced
     1st of May           Registration opens
     18th of May          Call for proposals closed
     25th of May          Launch of schedule (talk abstracts accepted
and notified)
     31st of May          Early bird registration closes
     25th of June         Normal registration closes
     2nd of July          Online registration closes
     9-11th of July       Conference starts
     12-14th of July      Post sprints

   Decisions:

   - mwh and Bea will work on the call for proposals early next week
     (12-14th of March)

   - mwh will talk to Nicolas and Paul regarding if they can make the
     deadline (16th of March) for updating website (note that they
     only need to validate the date - they can sort out infrastructure
     needed)

   - keynotes: Guido have accepted, ideas for more keynotes were
     discussed (SteveA had several ideas and will check these, mwh and
     Bea will also check) - this needs to be discussed on the
     mailinglist - trawling for good ideas.

3. **Organization/roles:**

   - local organizer: Aiste
   - program chair: mwh
   - conferencier/lightning talks: Harald
   - webwork: Paul, Nicolas
   - registration/budget: ? (mwh and Aiste will check)
   - track chairs: pedronis, arigo, benedicte, bea, nicolas,
   - helping out/misc work: thisfred, John Pinner

4. **Next meeting:** one week from now: 14th of March/18:00 #europython

Cheers,
mwh

From david at boddie.org.uk  Thu Mar  8 22:37:23 2007
From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie)
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 22:37:23 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Use of pictures for The Python Papers and
 EuroPython 2007
In-Reply-To: <mailman.37.1173351610.5350.europython@python.org>
References: <mailman.37.1173351610.5350.europython@python.org>
Message-ID: <200703082237.25219.david@boddie.org.uk>

On Wed, 07 Mar 2007 11:53:06 +0100, Christian Scholz wrote:

> Just as note: If it fits, feel also free to use any of mine photos.
> They can be found here:
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/sets/72157594184370918/
>
> and here are those from 2005:
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/sets/502414/

I've seen quite a few of your EuroPython photos before and have been most
impressed by their quality and composition, so thanks for making such a
generous offer!

Of course, it's up to Tennessee whether he uses any of them. :-)

David

From hpk at trillke.net  Fri Mar  9 09:31:34 2007
From: hpk at trillke.net (holger krekel)
Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 09:31:34 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from the meeting
In-Reply-To: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070309083134.GF1954@solar.trillke>

Hi folks, 

thanks for doing the meeting! 

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 14:26 +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
>    Trackchairs:
> 
>    - lang+lib: pedronis (but he needs a co-chair - Bea will try to recruit one)

i'd like to help Samuele, maybe with a focus on testing and tools - 
i suppose the "lib" part is meant to cover that, right?
On the other hand, I am not sure yet if i'll be around europe 
early July. 

holger


>    - science+refereed: benedicte (XXX Michael - is this his name??) and arigo
>    - web: no track chair yet - mwh will try to recruit
>    - open space: bea + need to recruit co-chairs (nicolas for the education
>      parts that could go here?, others?)
>    - lightning talks: Harald
> 
>    This fits the facilities in Vilnius: we will have 1 large room and 3
>    "smaller" rooms
> 
> 2. **Discuss and decide on timeline suggested:**
> 
>    Decision::
> 
>      9th of March         Track chairs and conference organization
> (roles) decided upon.
>      16th of March        Call for proposals out
>                           Website updated and "up and running"
>      16th of April        Keynotes announced
>      1st of May           Registration opens
>      18th of May          Call for proposals closed
>      25th of May          Launch of schedule (talk abstracts accepted
> and notified)
>      31st of May          Early bird registration closes
>      25th of June         Normal registration closes
>      2nd of July          Online registration closes
>      9-11th of July       Conference starts
>      12-14th of July      Post sprints
> 
>    Decisions:
> 
>    - mwh and Bea will work on the call for proposals early next week
>      (12-14th of March)
> 
>    - mwh will talk to Nicolas and Paul regarding if they can make the
>      deadline (16th of March) for updating website (note that they
>      only need to validate the date - they can sort out infrastructure
>      needed)
> 
>    - keynotes: Guido have accepted, ideas for more keynotes were
>      discussed (SteveA had several ideas and will check these, mwh and
>      Bea will also check) - this needs to be discussed on the
>      mailinglist - trawling for good ideas.
> 
> 3. **Organization/roles:**
> 
>    - local organizer: Aiste
>    - program chair: mwh
>    - conferencier/lightning talks: Harald
>    - webwork: Paul, Nicolas
>    - registration/budget: ? (mwh and Aiste will check)
>    - track chairs: pedronis, arigo, benedicte, bea, nicolas,
>    - helping out/misc work: thisfred, John Pinner
> 
> 4. **Next meeting:** one week from now: 14th of March/18:00 #europython
> 
> Cheers,
> mwh
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 

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From bea at changemaker.nu  Fri Mar  9 23:39:43 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:39:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from the meeting
In-Reply-To: <20070309083134.GF1954@solar.trillke>
References: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070309083134.GF1954@solar.trillke>
Message-ID: <45F1E22F.1070804@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

holger krekel skrev:
> Hi folks, 
>
> thanks for doing the meeting! 
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 14:26 +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
>   
>>    Trackchairs:
>>
>>    - lang+lib: pedronis (but he needs a co-chair - Bea will try to recruit one)
>>     
>
> i'd like to help Samuele, maybe with a focus on testing and tools - 
> i suppose the "lib" part is meant to cover that, right?
> On the other hand, I am not sure yet if i'll be around europe 
> early July. 
>
> holger
>
>   
I think it would be great if you could help out with this track - much 
of the work is pre-conference and thus
pre early July. Maybe we could have one co-chair for prep work and one 
co-chair
to Samuele during the conference ;-)

Samuele - your call.

Cheers

Bea
>   
>>    - science+refereed: benedicte (XXX Michael - is this his name??) and arigo
>>    - web: no track chair yet - mwh will try to recruit
>>    - open space: bea + need to recruit co-chairs (nicolas for the education
>>      parts that could go here?, others?)
>>    - lightning talks: Harald
>>
>>    This fits the facilities in Vilnius: we will have 1 large room and 3
>>    "smaller" rooms
>>
>> 2. **Discuss and decide on timeline suggested:**
>>
>>    Decision::
>>
>>      9th of March         Track chairs and conference organization
>> (roles) decided upon.
>>      16th of March        Call for proposals out
>>                           Website updated and "up and running"
>>      16th of April        Keynotes announced
>>      1st of May           Registration opens
>>      18th of May          Call for proposals closed
>>      25th of May          Launch of schedule (talk abstracts accepted
>> and notified)
>>      31st of May          Early bird registration closes
>>      25th of June         Normal registration closes
>>      2nd of July          Online registration closes
>>      9-11th of July       Conference starts
>>      12-14th of July      Post sprints
>>
>>    Decisions:
>>
>>    - mwh and Bea will work on the call for proposals early next week
>>      (12-14th of March)
>>
>>    - mwh will talk to Nicolas and Paul regarding if they can make the
>>      deadline (16th of March) for updating website (note that they
>>      only need to validate the date - they can sort out infrastructure
>>      needed)
>>
>>    - keynotes: Guido have accepted, ideas for more keynotes were
>>      discussed (SteveA had several ideas and will check these, mwh and
>>      Bea will also check) - this needs to be discussed on the
>>      mailinglist - trawling for good ideas.
>>
>> 3. **Organization/roles:**
>>
>>    - local organizer: Aiste
>>    - program chair: mwh
>>    - conferencier/lightning talks: Harald
>>    - webwork: Paul, Nicolas
>>    - registration/budget: ? (mwh and Aiste will check)
>>    - track chairs: pedronis, arigo, benedicte, bea, nicolas,
>>    - helping out/misc work: thisfred, John Pinner
>>
>> 4. **Next meeting:** one week from now: 14th of March/18:00 #europython
>>
>> Cheers,
>> mwh
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>>     
>
>   


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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat Mar 10 03:04:35 2007
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 03:04:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Web Site Updates
Message-ID: <200703100304.35688.paul@boddie.org.uk>

Hello,

I finally managed to work out my password to europython.org (sorry to 
Jean-Marc for filling up the authentication logs with bad password 
attempts!), and I've removed some out-of-date information from the 2006 
conference (archiving it for later perusal).

A few things we should decide upon (if not already decided) or that I would 
like to know for the Web site:

  * The fee structure for 2007. (I suppose this will be known on Wednesday.)
  * The difference between the end of normal registration and the end of
    online registration - is "normal" the "normal bird" thing we cooked up
    last year?
  * Some details about the location: travel to Vilnius, nice details about the
    location. I've done some research but some sanity checking would be great!
  * The accommodation section is not yet updated but some details would look
    great on the updated site. ;-)

There are some minor Web site things I haven't worked out such as removing 
various pages (CERN, Geneva) and hiding others (Keynotes) from the sitemap 
menu and the top menu, although hiding the folders concerned has helped in 
some ways. More CPS magic is required!

Finally, the Indico situation needs to be resolved so that we can point to the 
programme served up by a EuroPython-specific instance of the software. I 
don't know who is best to deal with that kind of infrastructure issue, but I 
might try and get some Indico experience over the weekend, as well as going 
through other pages on the site and getting them into shape for this year's 
conference.

Paul

From tennessee at tennessee.id.au  Wed Mar 14 00:47:03 2007
From: tennessee at tennessee.id.au (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:47:03 +1100
Subject: [EuroPython] Use of pictures for The Python Papers and
	EuroPython 2007
In-Reply-To: <45EE9992.7010606@comlounge.net>
References: <f89206d80703062344o2d73b428j9a07f2bb06002aac@mail.gmail.com>
	<45EE9992.7010606@comlounge.net>
Message-ID: <43c8685c0703131647v2e0668b2w402d67e139c74f3d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Tennessee from The Python Papers here. I had a quick look at your wiki page.
It's really great to see this early start. Thanks to those who have offered
the use of their photographs.

Horst, as you correctly identified, this is not related to the email I sent
you regarding your Python for Kids videos. We will cover these separately.

Thanks,
-Tennessee

On 3/7/07, Christian Scholz <cs at comlounge.net> wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> Just as note: If it fits, feel also free to use any of mine photos.
> They can be found here:
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/sets/72157594184370918/
>
> and here are those from 2005:
>
> http://flickr.com/photos/mrtopf/sets/502414/
>
> cheers,
>
> Christian
>
>
> Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> > I forward herewith a positive answer from Host Jens about the use of
> > pictures of EP2006 he made and posted to flickr.
> >
> > Thanks to him and for the ideas to use them to Paul.
> >
> > I'll start using some of them and some others text to build a short
> > presentation text that could be used in Python Papers to speak about
> > EP2007; please come and check in the wiki at
> > http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2007/ArticleForPythonPapers
> >
> > Nicolas
> >
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From: Horst JENS <horst.jens at chello.at>
> > Date: 7 mars 2007 06:10
> > Subject: Re: [EuroPython] The Python Papers and EuroPython 2007
> > To: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> > you can use all my pictures i uploaded on flickr. (Horstjens).
> > I also wrote some posting with personal impressions from the
> > Europython2006 ... it is in german, i can do you a translation if you
> > find it interesting.
> >
> > http://www.python-forum.de/topic-6445.html
> >
> >
> > My picture should be on flickr too or take the picture from the
> > attachment.
> >
> > This email has nothing to do with the email i wrote about
> > "please review my python from kids tutorial videos at www.showmedo.com",
> > right ?
> >
> >
> > If you cover Europython2006, please try to contact Gregor Lindl (also on
> > some flickr photos) who did an amazing presentation of his xturtle
> > module and his "Python f?r Kids" Book.
> > http://ada.rg16.asn-wien.ac.at/~python/literatur.html
> >
> >
> > greetings,
> >         -Horst
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2007-03-06 at 21:01 +0100, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:
> >> Dear,
> >>
> >> Could we use your picture to illustrate the Europython website as well
> >> as some articles about previous edition (eg 2006) about EP in
> >> pythonpapers as Paul Boddie suggests here below ?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Nicolas
> >>
> >> 2007/3/6, David Boddie <david at boddie.org.uk>:
> >>> On Tuesday 20 February 2007 15:55:06 +1100, Tennessee Leeuwenburg
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> I am the editor-in-chief of The Python Papers (
> http://pythonpapers.org), a
> >>>> Python magazine created by a noncommercial group of enthusiasts. I am
> >>>> currently contacting various conference organisers about the
> possibilities
> >>>> of collaboration. Our next edition is due out in May, which is a
> little
> >>>> before EuroPython 2007 is scheduled for.
> >>>>
> >>>> I thought you might like to contribute an article covering the event
> to let
> >>>> people know more about it. It would also be good to include any
> information
> >>>> about last years' event, some selected photos etc.
> >>> It might be interesting to take a look at the photos on Flickr and
> contact
> >>> the photographers whose photos you like to ask for their permission to
> use
> >>> them:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=tags
> >>> http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=europython+2006&m=text
> >>>
> >>> Assuming you're successful, some of these photos should complement
> quite
> >>> nicely what Nicolas is proposing to write.
> >>>
> >>>> Additionally, in our next edition we will be including a review of
> python
> >>>> papers and articles published in the last year. Where we have access
> to
> >>>> conference proceedings, we will try to select a few articles for
> inclusion
> >>>> in this effort. Going forward, it would be great to have people
> nominate
> >>>> and vote for favourite articles. I was unable to find the proceedings
> of
> >>>> EuroPython 2006. Would it be possible to have access to this?
> >>> The CERN conference site is available for anyone to access:
> >>>
> >>> http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceDisplay.py?confId=44
> >>>
> >>> The timetable and speaker list pages available from that page are
> >>> particularly useful.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> EuroPython mailing list
> >>> EuroPython at python.org
> >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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From tennessee at tennessee.id.au  Wed Mar 14 01:06:59 2007
From: tennessee at tennessee.id.au (Tennessee Leeuwenburg)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:06:59 +1100
Subject: [EuroPython] Paper recommendations from last conference
Message-ID: <43c8685c0703131706o35b9c5cdr675979917ee17aa6@mail.gmail.com>

To whom it may concern,

Tennessee here. I am the Editor-In-Chief of The Python Papers, a free online
journal covering Python topics.

As you may recall my having mentioned, Maurice Ling <mauriceling at acm.org> is
currently performing a review of Python-related papers published in the last
year from major conferences and other publications. As none of the people
involved with The Python Papers were present at EuroPython, we are not
familiar with what was published and are not able to review every paper
submitted during the conference. In order to assist him in his work, it
would be great if anyone involved with last year's EuroPython could
recommend 1 to 3 papers for him to review.

Thanks,
-Tennessee
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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Wed Mar 14 01:48:04 2007
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 01:48:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Paper recommendations from last conference
In-Reply-To: <43c8685c0703131706o35b9c5cdr675979917ee17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <43c8685c0703131706o35b9c5cdr675979917ee17aa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200703140148.04310.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Wednesday 14 March 2007 01:06, Tennessee Leeuwenburg wrote:
>
> In order to assist him in his work, it would be great if anyone involved
> with last year's EuroPython could recommend 1 to 3 papers for him to review.

You can see last year's schedule here:

http://indico.cern.ch/conferenceTimeTable.py?confId=44&detailLevel=contribution&viewMode=room

I don't believe that refereed papers received as much emphasis as had 
originally been intended when the conference was planned, but you can 
certainly find papers from the schedule itself.

Paul

From micahel at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 11:18:34 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:18:34 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] draft agenda for meeting today
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703140318w2bfb205bscf1c5788f6135ae6@mail.gmail.com>

This can also be seen here:

http://codespeak.net/svn/user/mwh/ep2007/meeting-agenda-2007-03-15.html

Hope to see lots of people along!

==============================
EuroPython planning meeting #2
==============================

:When: 18:00 CET 2007-03-15
:Where: #europython on freenode.net

Agenda
------

- **call for proposals** (feedback on draft, deadline for track descriptions)

  Hopefully there will be a draft by the time of meeting :)

  Last year's is here, for reference:

    http://mail.python.org/pipermail/europython/2006-April/005715.html

- **registration fee** (early, normal, online)

  Last year's price structure was::

    Participant (normal)      190.00
    Participant (normal bird) 150.00
    Participant (early bird)  120.00
    Student (normal)          100.00
    Student (normal bird)      85.00
    Student (early bird)       65.00
    Speaker                   120.00
    Speaker (student)          65.00

  which is a bit insane.  At least let's *plan* to be simpler this time?

- **keynotes** (status)

  Guido for sure.  And this just in, from #europython:

    SteveA: hi folks.  david axmark replied about the keynote.  he's
    currently moving house, is interested, wants to talk about it in
    two weeks' time.

- **next meeting**

  Suggest in a week's time.

Cheers,
mwh

From micahel at gmail.com  Wed Mar 14 11:24:03 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 10:24:03 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] draft agenda for meeting today
In-Reply-To: <aa0dfd860703140318w2bfb205bscf1c5788f6135ae6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703140318w2bfb205bscf1c5788f6135ae6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703140324r6a17e4fkca26eed836bda876@mail.gmail.com>

Argh, the meeting is today, which is the 14th.  Try here instead:

http://codespeak.net/svn/user/mwh/ep2007/meeting-agenda-2007-03-14.html

Cheers&sorry,
mwh

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed Mar 14 18:15:40 2007
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:15:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from the meeting
In-Reply-To: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070314171540.GH12190@crater.logilab.fr>

Hi,

I could not attend to the meeting.

On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:26:13PM +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
>    - science+refereed: benedicte (XXX Michael - is this his name??) and arigo

I have been taking care of the science track since the creation of
EP. I offered several times to do it for EP2007. Benedikt from CERN
participated last year in the organisation of that track. Is there any
reason my name did not get listed here?

Of course, I could step down if people have something to say against
the work I have done so far...

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Wed Mar 14 18:38:50 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:38:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from the meeting
In-Reply-To: <20070314171540.GH12190@crater.logilab.fr>
References: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070314171540.GH12190@crater.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <f89206d80703141038t39f6b0dew8d095e174451f439@mail.gmail.com>

I am sorry. Due to a problem with internet then the care I have to
have for my children, I could not attend the meeting today.

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From bea at changemaker.nu  Wed Mar 14 18:43:26 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 18:43:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] minutes from the meeting
In-Reply-To: <20070314171540.GH12190@crater.logilab.fr>
References: <aa0dfd860703080626m5b2abe25x6eb18d474d31b2ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070314171540.GH12190@crater.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <45F8343E.50003@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

Nicolas Chauvat skrev:
> Hi,
>
> I could not attend to the meeting.
>
> On Thu, Mar 08, 2007 at 02:26:13PM +0000, Michael Hudson wrote:
>   
>>    - science+refereed: benedicte (XXX Michael - is this his name??) and arigo
>>     
>
> I have been taking care of the science track since the creation of
> EP. I offered several times to do it for EP2007. Benedikt from CERN
> participated last year in the organisation of that track. Is there any
> reason my name did not get listed here?
>
> Of course, I could step down if people have something to say against
> the work I have done so far...
>
>   
The only reason your name was not mentioned there was that:
1. you were not at the meeting and so did not speak up
2. I (and the others) must have missed that you have posted on this

Of course we want you to continue this tradition - please feel free to 
join the ongoing
meeting on #europython....

Cheers

Bea

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From bea at changemaker.nu  Wed Mar 14 21:06:34 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:06:34 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Themes" instead of tracks - please feedback?
Message-ID: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

After todays EP2007 meeting on #europython Laura, Michael and I 
discussed the
track situation for the upcoming conference.
The following dilemmas were identified:

- last year had lots of great talks - but maybe too many talks and no 
room for
socializing and discussing - the idea was to have an Open Space to mend this
- we are still missing track chairs for the web track and need co-chair 
help with the language/lib track
- if we want to have proposals for education/methodology/social
and separate tracks for science and refereed papers then we would have
again the risk of too many tracks and the difficulty of handling talks 
that land "in between" tracks
- PyCon does not have tracks - rather rooms that proposed talks were 
grouped into sessions
(very much what happened at last years EuroPython)

So - after some discussions we cooked up the following idea:

- we do not announce tracks, instead we choose and describe a selection of
"themes" that we describe in the Call for Proposal
("themes" could be mixes of science/language-lib/web framworks/
games/education/methodology)

- the "themes" would have the purpose of inspiring and guiding submissions
and would make selection of proposals easier than having no guideline at all

- we can then form a "program group" where people interested in helping out
with reviewing talks join in - sharing the "chairing", groups sessions 
based on accepted
proposals and work out who hosts the different
sessions when the conference is underway

We would very much like to have your feedback on this - ok/not ok and if 
so why?

Cheers

bea&mwh

-- 

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Change Maker
J?rntorget 3		
413 04 Gothenburg
www.changemaker.nu
email: bea at changemaker.nu
Phone: +46 31 7750940
Cellphone: +46 734 22 89 06
PyPy: www.pypy.org


From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Wed Mar 14 23:15:43 2007
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 23:15:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Themes" instead of tracks - please feedback?
In-Reply-To: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
References: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <DA411777-E74D-4548-992C-FB1669DCF730@cern.ch>

Hi all,


> Hi there
>
> After todays EP2007 meeting on #europython Laura, Michael and I
> discussed the
> track situation for the upcoming conference.
> The following dilemmas were identified:
>
> - last year had lots of great talks - but maybe too many talks and no
> room for
> socializing and discussing - the idea was to have an Open Space to  
> mend this
> - we are still missing track chairs for the web track and need co- 
> chair
> help with the language/lib track
> - if we want to have proposals for education/methodology/social
> and separate tracks for science and refereed papers then we would have
> again the risk of too many tracks and the difficulty of handling talks
> that land "in between" tracks
> - PyCon does not have tracks - rather rooms that proposed talks were
> grouped into sessions
> (very much what happened at last years EuroPython)
>
> So - after some discussions we cooked up the following idea:
>
> - we do not announce tracks, instead we choose and describe a  
> selection of
> "themes" that we describe in the Call for Proposal
> ("themes" could be mixes of science/language-lib/web framworks/
> games/education/methodology)
>
> - the "themes" would have the purpose of inspiring and guiding  
> submissions
> and would make selection of proposals easier than having no  
> guideline at all
The change indicates officially that the breakup into  
"themes"/"tracks" isn't too strict. I like that :)

To sum up how I understand it: in the registration we give a list of  
topics/themes and the speaker can select the closest one to his talk.  
This would help us to assign those talks to people reviewing them.  
After finding out about "topic clusters" we group them into sessions  
with (hopefully) meaningful names.

And completely independent from that above one can say if one wants  
to have it refereed or not, right?

> - we can then form a "program group" where people interested in  
> helping out
> with reviewing talks join in - sharing the "chairing", groups sessions
> based on accepted
> proposals and work out who hosts the different
> sessions when the conference is underway
Do we still want to give contacts separated by "themes" (the ones in  
the call for papers) on the webpage?

+1 to the idea by bea and mwh

Ciao,
Benedikt



From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Thu Mar 15 15:33:59 2007
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 15:33:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Themes" instead of tracks - please feedback?
In-Reply-To: <DA411777-E74D-4548-992C-FB1669DCF730@cern.ch>
References: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
	<DA411777-E74D-4548-992C-FB1669DCF730@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <20070315143359.GD31883@crater.logilab.fr>

On Wed, Mar 14, 2007 at 11:15:43PM +0100, Benedikt Hegner wrote:
> To sum up how I understand it: in the registration we give a list of  
> topics/themes and the speaker can select the closest one to his talk.  
> This would help us to assign those talks to people reviewing them.  
> After finding out about "topic clusters" we group them into sessions  
> with (hopefully) meaningful names.
> 
> And completely independent from that above one can say if one wants  
> to have it refereed or not, right?

Fine by me.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique avanc?e et gestion de connaissances  

From aiste at pov.lt  Thu Mar 15 15:59:18 2007
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:59:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Themes" instead of tracks - please feedback?
In-Reply-To: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
References: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <20070315145918.GD24074@lucky>

> - we do not announce tracks, instead we choose and describe a selection of
> "themes" that we describe in the Call for Proposal
> ("themes" could be mixes of science/language-lib/web framworks/
> games/education/methodology)
> 
> - the "themes" would have the purpose of inspiring and guiding submissions
> and would make selection of proposals easier than having no guideline at all
> 
> - we can then form a "program group" where people interested in helping out
> with reviewing talks join in - sharing the "chairing", groups sessions 
> based on accepted
> proposals and work out who hosts the different
> sessions when the conference is underway

I think that's a good idea seeing how it eliminates the problem of
fitting talks into tracks and having to have misfits track and so on.

-- 
Aiste Kesminaite
Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius
Phone: +370 6563 6462
Email: aiste at pov.lt
Web: www.pov.lt

From bea at changemaker.nu  Thu Mar 15 18:42:08 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:42:08 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Themes" instead of tracks - please feedback?
In-Reply-To: <DA411777-E74D-4548-992C-FB1669DCF730@cern.ch>
References: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
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Hi there

Benedikt Hegner skrev:
> Hi all,
>
>
>> Hi there
>>
>> After todays EP2007 meeting on #europython Laura, Michael and I
>> discussed the
>> track situation for the upcoming conference.
>> The following dilemmas were identified:
>>
>> - last year had lots of great talks - but maybe too many talks and no
>> room for
>> socializing and discussing - the idea was to have an Open Space to 
>> mend this
>> - we are still missing track chairs for the web track and need co-chair
>> help with the language/lib track
>> - if we want to have proposals for education/methodology/social
>> and separate tracks for science and refereed papers then we would have
>> again the risk of too many tracks and the difficulty of handling talks
>> that land "in between" tracks
>> - PyCon does not have tracks - rather rooms that proposed talks were
>> grouped into sessions
>> (very much what happened at last years EuroPython)
>>
>> So - after some discussions we cooked up the following idea:
>>
>> - we do not announce tracks, instead we choose and describe a 
>> selection of
>> "themes" that we describe in the Call for Proposal
>> ("themes" could be mixes of science/language-lib/web framworks/
>> games/education/methodology)
>>
>> - the "themes" would have the purpose of inspiring and guiding 
>> submissions
>> and would make selection of proposals easier than having no guideline 
>> at all
> The change indicates officially that the breakup into 
> "themes"/"tracks" isn't too strict. I like that :)
>
> To sum up how I understand it: in the registration we give a list of 
> topics/themes and the speaker can select the closest one to his talk. 
> This would help us to assign those talks to people reviewing them. 
> After finding out about "topic clusters" we group them into sessions 
> with (hopefully) meaningful names.
>
> And completely independent from that above one can say if one wants to 
> have it refereed or not, right?
>
That wasnt stated but I would be prepared to referee papers in 
methodology/agile/social areas.
>> - we can then form a "program group" where people interested in 
>> helping out
>> with reviewing talks join in - sharing the "chairing", groups sessions
>> based on accepted
>> proposals and work out who hosts the different
>> sessions when the conference is underway
> Do we still want to give contacts separated by "themes" (the ones in 
> the call for papers) on the webpage?
>
Hmm - I think we should create a group mail or such: 
programgroup at europython.org or something
were people who agree to help out reviewing etc join. They would then 
act as contacts if there are questions....

Just my 2cents on this question.

Also - thanks for feedbacking on this!

Cheers

Bea
> +1 to the idea by bea and mwh
>
> Ciao,
> Benedikt
>
>


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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 08:28:59 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 08:28:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] "Themes" instead of tracks - please feedback?
In-Reply-To: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
References: <45F855CA.4000804@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0703160028x6e79e13cn3f59fc7dd321aea6@mail.gmail.com>

I like the themes idea.

what in my eyes needs to be added is the "initialising the stampede"
function of the track chair. From my duties as track chair I know that
it takes some pushing to get the submissions running ... mails to
single persons, specialized mailinglistmails, some phone calls.

So I expect that also the "themes" need that pushing. In the proposal
I could see a "programm committee", which is fine to select the talks;
but committees are not initialisers.

Ways to integrate the firestarters?

Harald


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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Fri Mar 16 13:31:07 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:31:07 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] this mail out of c.l.p. needs to be linked somewhere
	on our pages :)
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0703160531j7b88ccf9sf19c14174a2488d8@mail.gmail.com>

http://groups.google.de/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/e06a1ff246a6e59b/dc794f21ad29472e?hl=de#dc794f21ad29472e


"""yet I see many vacancies
for Python developers"""

harald

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-
Python: the only language with more web frameworks than keywords.

From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Fri Mar 16 13:50:55 2007
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 13:50:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] this mail out of c.l.p. needs to be linked
	somewhere on our pages :)
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0703160531j7b88ccf9sf19c14174a2488d8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0703160531j7b88ccf9sf19c14174a2488d8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA52DE89-6987-4F73-9476-B1F845EBB25F@cern.ch>

Harald,

*lol* He states that for every other language as well. E.g.:
Hi ,Im a BSc4 Maths/Computer Science student.Unfortunately my
curriculum did not include Java programming yet I see many vacancies
for Java developers.I studied programming Pascal,C++ and Delphi.So I
need to catch up quickly and master Java programming.How do you
suggest that I achieve this goal?What is the best way?And how long
would it take before I can make Java applications?What websites can
you recommend?

He posted almost the same question to different c.l.* and up to now  
c.l.p is the only list being clever enough not to answer :)

Cheers,
     Benedikt

On Mar 16, 2007, at 1:31 PM, Harald Armin Massa wrote:

> http://groups.google.de/group/comp.lang.python/browse_thread/thread/ 
> e06a1ff246a6e59b/dc794f21ad29472e?hl=de#dc794f21ad29472e
>
>
> """yet I see many vacancies
> for Python developers"""
>
> harald
>
> -- 
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Reinsburgstra?e 202b
> 70197 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
> fx 01212-5-13695179
> -
> Python: the only language with more web frameworks than keywords.
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From wpurser at suddenlink.net  Mon Mar 19 03:04:46 2007
From: wpurser at suddenlink.net (bill purser)
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2007 22:04:46 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython]  why is the website so slow?
Message-ID: <000501c769ca$f86b99a0$a43f6e4b@yourf78bf48ce2>

it takes google home page ,couple minutes yo appear
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From micahel at gmail.com  Wed Mar 21 10:17:00 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 09:17:00 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] meeting #3 today
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703210217n7e0678a3xf0a4c01e1d2388a9@mail.gmail.com>

In #europython on freenode at 6pm as usual.  Paul kindly wrote up a
draft agenda on the wiki:
http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007/IrcMeetings/IrcMeeting3 .
If you have anything to add, please post here, or just edit the wiki.

See you there!

Cheers,
mwh

From lac at openend.se  Thu Mar 22 19:19:21 2007
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 19:19:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
Message-ID: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>

Europython has long had a tradition of having a few sponsored invited
speakers.  They are generally people who live outside of Europe and are
doing interesting things.  Its cheaper to fly them in to discuss things
than for all of us to go visiting.  Are there any people out there
you would be particularly interested in  inviting?

Floor's yours:
Laura

From stefano.masini at pragma2000.com  Fri Mar 23 10:32:14 2007
From: stefano.masini at pragma2000.com (Stefano Masini)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:32:14 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <1bdedd7a0703230232o3f7cb122meb93b7c86eb4446d@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/22/07, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> than for all of us to go visiting.  Are there any people out there
> you would be particularly interested in  inviting?

How about Martin Fowler on agile development ?

cheers
Stefano

From bea at changemaker.nu  Fri Mar 23 10:53:43 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:53:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <1bdedd7a0703230232o3f7cb122meb93b7c86eb4446d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
	<1bdedd7a0703230232o3f7cb122meb93b7c86eb4446d@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi there

Stefano Masini skrev:
> On 3/22/07, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
>   
>> than for all of us to go visiting.  Are there any people out there
>> you would be particularly interested in  inviting?
>>     
>
> How about Martin Fowler on agile development ?
>
> cheers
> Stefano
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>   
I am currently checking around in the agile community for potential 
speakers to
be invited. Great to hear that you are interested in this an Martin 
Fowler is a good idea- my
main worry was if there a very few others that would be interested in 
this area.

So please speak up people - if we have three invited speakers, would you
be interested in having one of them being someone from the agile community?

Cheers

Bea

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From micahel at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 11:45:33 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 10:45:33 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <4603A3A7.3070607@changemaker.nu>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
	<1bdedd7a0703230232o3f7cb122meb93b7c86eb4446d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4603A3A7.3070607@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703230345k51f71a0nf5203207f614f3a8@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/03/07, Beatrice D?ring <bea at changemaker.nu> wrote:
> Hi there
>
> Stefano Masini skrev:
> > On 3/22/07, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> >
> >> than for all of us to go visiting.  Are there any people out there
> >> you would be particularly interested in  inviting?
> >>
> >
> > How about Martin Fowler on agile development ?
> >
> > cheers
> > Stefano
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
> I am currently checking around in the agile community for potential
> speakers to
> be invited. Great to hear that you are interested in this an Martin
> Fowler is a good idea- my
> main worry was if there a very few others that would be interested in
> this area.
>
> So please speak up people - if we have three invited speakers, would you
> be interested in having one of them being someone from the agile community?

I think you know I would be by now :)

Martin Fowler would be extremely cool, he has enough "brand
recognition" to get the interest of people who don't know that much
about the agile community already, which is the only problem I've had
with some of your other suggestions -- keynotes are advertising,
really.

Does anyone have a contact?

Cheers,
mwh

From micahel at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 12:25:36 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:25:36 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] notes from 3rd irc meeting (2007-03-21)
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703230425s21f43eb7jc3999b490de1a38a@mail.gmail.com>

Here are the notes from the meeting two nights back.

Also online at http://codespeak.net/svn/user/mwh/ep2007/meeting-notes-2007-03-21.html

Some of the notes are a little out of date already, but I'll address
that in a followup.

Cheers,
mwh

EuroPython planning meeting #3
==================================

:When: 18:00, 2007-03-21
:Where: #europython
:Who: arigo, mwh, bea, pedronis, lac (aiste sent her apologies; she was ill)

The agenda was at
http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007/IrcMeetings/IrcMeeting3

1. State of Call for Proposals:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- adjusted version ready on the wiki, using the "themes" as was
  discussed on the mailinglist

- needs some "shrinking" so it is less wordy, hacking done after the
  meeting (move text of lightning taks and open space to separate
  pages)

- send out on friday after some more indico work has been done by mwh

- also people signed up for the program at europython.org, the group
  sharing responsibility for all talks and sessions. Current people
  are people that have expressed an interest in track chairing or
  partly track chair.  mwh will set up the list and email the people
  we felt had signed up for this.

2. Fees:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- because Aiste could not participate in this meeting no costs for
  catering, eastern europe information regarding grants was reported.
  This point is postponed until after 14-15th of April (deadline for
  opening registration is 1st of May) which is when the RuPy
  conference takes place.  We will look at their fall out and pricing
  and by that time we should also have a clear picture of all costs.

- we will however publish the 100 euro normal registration fee on the
  website so that people will have some reference information.

3. Keynotes:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- people are still "trawling" for keynotes: Bea within the agile
  community.
- lac, bea and mwh discussed after the meeting various
  ideas of people.
- lac said she'd ask the list for ideas.

4. Sponsors:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- we are seeking a person responsible for the sponsor work (contacting
  and recruiting sponsors) (mwh to ask Paul Everitt and ZEA partners
  if they can help out or know people that could help out)

- is Google interested in sponsoring this year as well? mwh to ask
  Bene to check this out.

- bea will check with Steve Holden if he has any ideas of sponsors or
  people helping with sponsor contacts

5. PSF offer to help Europython
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- mwh recieved mail from PSF asking what kind of help the PSF could
  offer EP2007

- some ideas was discussed in the meeting:
  - financial backing
  - sharing of sponsor details
  - grants and support for flight tickets and such for people wanting
to join from the US
  - represent/participate at EP 2007 with a booth

- mwh to summarize these ideas and email back to them - asking if they
  want to continue the dialogue on the PSF mailinglist

6. Next meeting:
------------------------------------------------------------------------

- this was provisionally decided for "same time next week",
  i.e. 2007-03-28 18:00

- but we will try to ask on the mailinglist for a better time when
  Harald, Nicolas and others might be able to participate

- in an attempt to be more organized, there's a placeholder page for
  an agenda here:
  http://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython/2007/IrcMeetings/IrcMeeting4

From Achim.Domma at syynx.de  Fri Mar 23 12:26:31 2007
From: Achim.Domma at syynx.de (Achim Domma, SyynX Solutions GmbH)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:26:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <mailman.33.1174647609.14507.europython@python.org>
References: <mailman.33.1174647609.14507.europython@python.org>
Message-ID: <23F2D26C5295F4488BF6A7DDFD44E1121A95E2@vmsyynx9.syynx.local>

> So please speak up people - if we have three invited speakers, would
> you
> be interested in having one of them being someone from the agile
> community?

Yes! Martin Fowler would be great!

regards,
Achim

From micahel at gmail.com  Fri Mar 23 13:07:21 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 12:07:21 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] notes from 3rd irc meeting (2007-03-21)
In-Reply-To: <aa0dfd860703230425s21f43eb7jc3999b490de1a38a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703230425s21f43eb7jc3999b490de1a38a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703230507g192a5a6fkdc9c783fe8edce5b@mail.gmail.com>

On 23/03/07, Michael Hudson <micahel at gmail.com> wrote:

> - needs some "shrinking" so it is less wordy, hacking done after the
>   meeting (move text of lightning taks and open space to separate
>   pages)

This still hasn't happened, oops.  Will try to fit it in in between
other bits of work today.

> - send out on friday after some more indico work has been done by mwh

I think the relevant parts of the indico site are good enough now.
Would appreciate people with access checking for me (if you want
access, ask).

> - also people signed up for the program at europython.org, the group
>   sharing responsibility for all talks and sessions. Current people
>   are people that have expressed an interest in track chairing or
>   partly track chair.  mwh will set up the list and email the people
>   we felt had signed up for this.

Have set up the list now, need to add all the right people to it.

Currently, my somewhat guessed list of people looks something like this:

Me.
Laura Creighton
Nicolas Pettiaux
Nicolas Chauvat
Holger Krekel
Bea D?ring
Benedikt Hegner
Tim Parkin
Duncan McGreggor
Samuele Pedroni
Armin Rigo

If any of these people **don't** want to be on the list, I recommend
shouting, fairly soon.  I'm expecting that this list will:

a) get notifications whenever an abstract is submitted
b) be used to argue about which proposals we accept

and not much more.

Cheers,
mwh

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Fri Mar 23 13:32:20 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 13:32:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <f89206d80703230532n220a8898m43cedbd349099db8@mail.gmail.com>

A first idea.

Python lies at the center of the OLPC laptop project (http://laptop.org)
both for its technical and its educational capabilities.

What about inviting somone who is responsible in this OLPC project to
talk about "OLPC project and python" ? (or an update of Alan Kay
lecture of lact year about squeak and python)

Nicolas

-- 
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From stefano.masini at pragma2000.com  Fri Mar 23 14:39:25 2007
From: stefano.masini at pragma2000.com (Stefano Masini)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 14:39:25 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80703230532n220a8898m43cedbd349099db8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
	<f89206d80703230532n220a8898m43cedbd349099db8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1bdedd7a0703230639t244aee35o284361104b7f1d2c@mail.gmail.com>

On 3/23/07, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be> wrote:
> What about inviting somone who is responsible in this OLPC project to
> talk about "OLPC project and python" ? (or an update of Alan Kay
> lecture of lact year about squeak and python)

Thinking back to past Europython conferences I remember Alan Kay,
Steven Pemberton, Mark Shuttleworth... they all talked about widely
different topics.
Wouldn't OLPC sound like a sort of repetition with what Alan Kay
talked about? As the broad argument I mean...

my 2 cents
stefano

From bea at changemaker.nu  Fri Mar 23 16:06:43 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:06:43 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <f89206d80703230532n220a8898m43cedbd349099db8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
	<f89206d80703230532n220a8898m43cedbd349099db8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4603ED03.7040405@changemaker.nu>

Hi there
Nicolas Pettiaux skrev:
> A first idea.
>
> Python lies at the center of the OLPC laptop project (http://laptop.org)
> both for its technical and its educational capabilities.
>
> What about inviting somone who is responsible in this OLPC project to
> talk about "OLPC project and python" ? (or an update of Alan Kay
> lecture of lact year about squeak and python)
>
> Nicolas
>
>   
OLPC people keynoted at this years PyCon and FOSDEM.
Might be a bit too much OLPC - although, because I did
not go to those conferences I would love to hear them and
to hear more in detail the technical progress and their interest in Python.

Cheers

Bea

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From ct at gocept.com  Fri Mar 23 15:48:27 2007
From: ct at gocept.com (Christian Theune)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:48:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <4603A3A7.3070607@changemaker.nu>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
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	<4603A3A7.3070607@changemaker.nu>
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Yay!

Am Freitag, den 23.03.2007, 10:53 +0100 schrieb Beatrice D?ring:
> Hi there
> 
> Stefano Masini skrev:
> > On 3/22/07, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> >   
> >> than for all of us to go visiting.  Are there any people out there
> >> you would be particularly interested in  inviting?
> >>     
> >
> > How about Martin Fowler on agile development ?

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From gnotari at linkgroup.it  Fri Mar 23 16:28:00 2007
From: gnotari at linkgroup.it (Guido Notari)
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 16:28:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
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I would really love to hear from some of the Django folks.
A definite yes to Fowler, too.

ciao
Guido


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat Mar 24 18:30:04 2007
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 18:30:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
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References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>
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On Friday 23 March 2007 14:39, Stefano Masini wrote:
> On 3/23/07, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be> wrote:
> > What about inviting somone who is responsible in this OLPC project to
> > talk about "OLPC project and python" ? (or an update of Alan Kay
> > lecture of lact year about squeak and python)
>
> Thinking back to past Europython conferences I remember Alan Kay,
> Steven Pemberton, Mark Shuttleworth... they all talked about widely
> different topics.

Steven Pemberton's talk managed to be highly entertaining and yet be only 
tangentially related to Python, although he did demonstrate some ABC code if 
I remember correctly. I suppose this shows that people don't have to talk 
about Python, but they do need to have some level of association with it.

> Wouldn't OLPC sound like a sort of repetition with what Alan Kay
> talked about? As the broad argument I mean...

Alan Kay supposedly has an agenda of his own, as is often discussed on the 
edu-sig mailing list, but the level of OLPC content was relatively low 
compared to talks actually about that project. Still, the wider themes are 
similar, although Jim Gettys' FOSDEM talk [1], for example, was more about 
the technology and less about the applications - something which may be 
drifting away from the interests shared by that project and parts of the 
anticipated audience.

Paul

P.S. Reviews of Ivan Krsti?'s OLPC talk were wildly positive, but I haven't 
seen any recordings of it yet. Were any audio/video recordings made available 
for last year's EuroPython? I've given up on seeing any for recent PyCons.

[1] http://www.fosdem.org/2007/media/video

From cs at comlounge.net  Sat Mar 24 19:24:12 2007
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2007 19:24:12 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Whom would you like to see at Europython
In-Reply-To: <4603A3A7.3070607@changemaker.nu>
References: <200703221819.l2MIJL6Q032378@theraft.openend.se>	<1bdedd7a0703230232o3f7cb122meb93b7c86eb4446d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4603A3A7.3070607@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <46056CCC.9070200@comlounge.net>

Hi!

Beatrice D?ring wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> Stefano Masini skrev:
>> On 3/22/07, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
>>   
>>> than for all of us to go visiting.  Are there any people out there
>>> you would be particularly interested in  inviting?
>>>     
>> How about Martin Fowler on agile development ?

Martin Fowler would be great for me, too :-)

cheers,
   Christian

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From micahel at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 00:37:18 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:37:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>

Book Monday 9th July to Wednesday 11th July 2007 in your calendar!
EuroPython 2007, the European Python and Zope Conference, will be held in
Vilnius, Lithuania.  Last year's conference was a great success, featuring
a variety of tracks, amazing lightning talks and inspiring keynotes.  With
your participation, we want to make EuroPython 2007, the sixth EuroPython,
even more successful than the previous five.

Talks, Papers and Themes
------------------------

This year we have decided to borrow a few good ideas from PyCon, one of
which is to move away from the 'track' structure.  Instead, speakers are
invited to submit presentations about anything they have done that they
think would be of interest to the Python community.  We will then arrange
them into related groups and schedule them in the space available.  In the
past, EuroPython participants have found the following themes to be of
interest:

 * Science
 * Python Language and Libraries
 * Web Related Technologies
 * Education
 * Games
 * Agile Methodologies and Testing
 * Social Skills

In addition to talks, we will also accept full paper submissions about any
of the above themes.  The Call for Refereed Papers will be posted shortly.

The deadline for talk proposals is Friday 18th May at midnight (24:00
CEST, Central European Summer Time, UTC+2).

Other ways to participate
-------------------------

Apart from giving talks, there are plenty of other ways to participate in
the conference.  Just attending and talking to people you find here can be
satisfying enough, but there are three other kinds of activity you may wish
to plan for: Lightning Talks, Open Space and Sprints.  Lightning Talks are
very short talks that give you just enough time to introduce a topic or
project, Open Space is an area reserved for informal discussions, and
Sprints are focused gatherings for developers interested in particular
projects.  For more information please see the following pages:

 * Lightning Talks: http://www.europython.org/sections/events/lightning_talks
 * Open Space: http://www.europython.org/sections/events/open_space
 * Sprints: http://www.europython.org/sections/sprints_and_wiki

Your Contribution
-----------------

To propose a talk or a paper, go to...

 * http://www.europython.org/submit

For more general information on the conference, please visit...

 * http://www.europython.org/

Looking forward to seeing what you fine folk have been up to,

The EuroPython Team

From micahel at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 00:47:18 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2007 23:47:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com>

On 25/03/07, Michael Hudson <micahel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Book Monday 9th July to Wednesday 11th July 2007 in your calendar!
> EuroPython 2007, the European Python and Zope Conference, will be held in
> Vilnius, Lithuania.  Last year's conference was a great success, featuring
> a variety of tracks, amazing lightning talks and inspiring keynotes.  With
> your participation, we want to make EuroPython 2007, the sixth EuroPython,
> even more successful than the previous five.

By the way, does anyone have a nice list of email addresses to send
things like this to?  So far it's gone to this list, python-list,
python-announce-list and lwn.  I'll get a mention up onto python.org
later today or early tomorrow.

Cheers,
mwh

From lac at openend.se  Mon Mar 26 03:25:18 2007
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 03:25:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: Message from "Michael Hudson" <micahel@gmail.com> of "Sun,
	25 Mar 2007 23:47:18 BST."
	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200703260125.l2Q1PITl020745@theraft.openend.se>

http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups (European Section)

Laura

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 09:28:07 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:28:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
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References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

in the list of:

 * Science
 * Python Language and Libraries
 * Web Related Technologies
 * Education
 * Games
 * Agile Methodologies and Testing
 * Social Skills

I miss business, i.e. "how we use Python to make more money". was it dropped
by accident, or forcefully?

Best wishes,

Harald


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From micahel at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 10:00:32 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:00:32 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703260100w2b2efd37t8b741ee6bbc90607@mail.gmail.com>

On 26/03/07, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> in the list of:
>
>  * Science
>  * Python Language and Libraries
>  * Web Related Technologies
>  * Education
>  * Games
>  * Agile Methodologies and Testing
>  * Social Skills
>
> I miss business, i.e. "how we use Python to make more money". was it dropped
> by accident, or forcefully?

Well, by accident mostly I guess.  There was this idea to severely
reduce the number of "themes" but then each old track had someone
stand up for it as a new "theme"...

Cheers,
mwh

From steve at canonical.com  Mon Mar 26 10:21:20 2007
From: steve at canonical.com (Steve Alexander)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:21:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
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Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> Michael,
> 
> in the list of:
> 
>  * Science
>  * Python Language and Libraries
>  * Web Related Technologies
>  * Education
>  * Games
>  * Agile Methodologies and Testing
>  * Social Skills
> 
> I miss business, i.e. "how we use Python to make more money".

People make money using Python in all of the above areas.


-- 
Steve Alexander


From micahel at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 11:10:21 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 10:10:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: <200703260125.l2Q1PITl020745@theraft.openend.se>
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<micahel@gmail.com>
	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703260125.l2Q1PITl020745@theraft.openend.se>
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On 26/03/07, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
> http://wiki.python.org/moin/LocalUserGroups (European Section)

I've posted to the python-uk and pythonireland lists now.  Does
someone want to whack the cfp into German and post some German
speaking lists, at the very least?  Ditto French, Russian, Swedish,
Finnish, Spanish, Italian, ...

Cheers,
mwh

From lac at openend.se  Mon Mar 26 17:36:05 2007
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 17:36:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: Message from "Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa@gmail.com> 
	of "Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:28:07 +0200."
	<7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
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By accident, my fault.

Laura

In a message of Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:28:07 +0200, "Harald Armin Massa" writes:
>Michael,
>
>in the list of:
>
> * Science
> * Python Language and Libraries
> * Web Related Technologies
> * Education
> * Games
> * Agile Methodologies and Testing
> * Social Skills
>
>I miss business, i.e. "how we use Python to make more money". was it drop
>pe=
>d
>by accident, or forcefully?
>
>Best wishes,
>
>Harald
>
>
>--=20
>GHUM Harald Massa
>persuadere et programmare
>Harald Armin Massa
>Reinsburgstra=DFe 202b
>70197 Stuttgart
>0173/9409607
>fx 01212-5-13695179
>-
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>La=
>nguage and Libraries<br>&nbsp;* Web Related Technologies<br>&nbsp;* Educa
>ti=
>on<br>&nbsp;* Games<br>&nbsp;* Agile Methodologies and Testing<br>&nbsp;*
> S=
>ocial Skills<br><br>I miss business,=20
>i.e. &quot;how we use Python to make more money&quot;. was it dropped by 
>ac=
>cident, or forcefully?<br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>Harald<br><br><br>-- <b
>r>=
>GHUM Harald Massa<br>persuadere et programmare<br>Harald Armin Massa<br>
>Reinsburgstra=DFe 202b<br>70197 Stuttgart<br>0173/9409607<br>fx 01212-5-1
>36=
>95179 <br>-<br>Python: the only language with more web frameworks than ke
>yw=
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>
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From benedikt.hegner at cern.ch  Mon Mar 26 18:14:19 2007
From: benedikt.hegner at cern.ch (Benedikt Hegner)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:14:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: <200703261536.l2QFa5qR028384@theraft.openend.se>
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703261536.l2QFa5qR028384@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <071A1042-428C-4E8E-AA14-7687B65CCE55@cern.ch>

Hi,

if there are no objections I can silently add business to the  
submission page on indico.

Ciao
     Benedikt

On Mar 26, 2007, at 5:36 PM, Laura Creighton wrote:

>
> By accident, my fault.
>
> Laura
>
> In a message of Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:28:07 +0200, "Harald Armin  
> Massa" writes:
>> Michael,
>>
>> in the list of:
>>
>> * Science
>> * Python Language and Libraries
>> * Web Related Technologies
>> * Education
>> * Games
>> * Agile Methodologies and Testing
>> * Social Skills
>>
>> I miss business, i.e. "how we use Python to make more money". was  
>> it drop
>> pe=
>> d
>> by accident, or forcefully?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Harald
>>
>>
>> --=20
>> GHUM Harald Massa
>> persuadere et programmare
>> Harald Armin Massa
>> Reinsburgstra=DFe 202b
>> 70197 Stuttgart
>> 0173/9409607
>> fx 01212-5-13695179
>> -
>> Python: the only language with more web frameworks than keywords.
>>
>> ------=_Part_280958_3481398.1174894087911
>> Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>> Content-Disposition: inline
>>
>> Michael,<br><br>in the list of:<br><br>&nbsp;* Science<br>&nbsp;*  
>> Python
>> La=
>> nguage and Libraries<br>&nbsp;* Web Related  
>> Technologies<br>&nbsp;* Educa
>> ti=
>> on<br>&nbsp;* Games<br>&nbsp;* Agile Methodologies and  
>> Testing<br>&nbsp;*
>> S=
>> ocial Skills<br><br>I miss business,=20
>> i.e. &quot;how we use Python to make more money&quot;. was it  
>> dropped by
>> ac=
>> cident, or forcefully?<br><br>Best  
>> wishes,<br><br>Harald<br><br><br>-- <b
>> r>=
>> GHUM Harald Massa<br>persuadere et programmare<br>Harald Armin  
>> Massa<br>
>> Reinsburgstra=DFe 202b<br>70197 Stuttgart<br>0173/9409607<br>fx  
>> 01212-5-1
>> 36=
>> 95179 <br>-<br>Python: the only language with more web frameworks  
>> than ke
>> yw=
>> ords.
>>
>> ------=_Part_280958_3481398.1174894087911--
>>
>> --===============1411213829==
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>> MIME-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> Content-Disposition: inline
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>> --===============1411213829==--
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Mon Mar 26 18:20:00 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2007 18:20:00 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2007: Call for Proposals
In-Reply-To: <071A1042-428C-4E8E-AA14-7687B65CCE55@cern.ch>
References: <aa0dfd860703251537u10aecd49lf6d31dbaaf377b9a@mail.gmail.com>
	<aa0dfd860703251547o2c60c1f2t8dccfa2942c5f4c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0703260028g35d837cid4ca0d980213eee0@mail.gmail.com>
	<200703261536.l2QFa5qR028384@theraft.openend.se>
	<071A1042-428C-4E8E-AA14-7687B65CCE55@cern.ch>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0703260920s7e8bd257u9bfceb1216b56106@mail.gmail.com>

Bene,

>I can silently add business to the ...

Great idea. I would also silently add it to the german translation of the
proposal before distributing it :)

(why am I crying out for business theme? My belly tells me it could be
helpfull in negotiations with sponsors)

Harald

-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
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From bea at changemaker.nu  Wed Mar 28 16:18:54 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:18:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
Message-ID: <460A794E.5010007@changemaker.nu>

Hi there

As discussed at last weeks EP2007 meeting:

These last weeks we have met every Wednesday at 18:00 at #europython.
Some people have announced that this time does not fit well with their
schedules so we are asking:

- is there a better time for short meetings on a weekly basis to 
coordinate work?

Please suggest here....

Cheers

Bea



From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed Mar 28 20:01:30 2007
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 20:01:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
In-Reply-To: <460A794E.5010007@changemaker.nu>
References: <460A794E.5010007@changemaker.nu>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0703281101j332dec76v5a00fa51f164d643@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I vote for Monday evenings,

Harald

On 3/28/07, Beatrice D?ring <bea at changemaker.nu> wrote:
>
> Hi there
>
> As discussed at last weeks EP2007 meeting:
>
> These last weeks we have met every Wednesday at 18:00 at #europython.
> Some people have announced that this time does not fit well with their
> schedules so we are asking:
>
> - is there a better time for short meetings on a weekly basis to
> coordinate work?
>
> Please suggest here....
>
> Cheers
>
> Bea
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>


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persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
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From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Thu Mar 29 11:41:31 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:41:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0703281101j332dec76v5a00fa51f164d643@mail.gmail.com>
References: <460A794E.5010007@changemaker.nu>
	<7be3f35d0703281101j332dec76v5a00fa51f164d643@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f89206d80703290241x6258ea1aqf36a197c6159ad43@mail.gmail.com>

2007/3/28, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:

> I vote for Monday evenings,

much better for me than Wednesday.

THanks,

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From fabio.pliger at siavr.it  Wed Mar 28 14:20:30 2007
From: fabio.pliger at siavr.it (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:20:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2008 candidacy
Message-ID: <460A5D8E.1080800@siavr.it>

Would any candidacy for hosting Europython 2008 be considered? My 
company has some projects with the University of Verona , Italy and 
seems that they have some interest in  bidding  to host EP 2008.

We know that Verona is not a "prime " location as other larger and 
cosmopolitan cities, but
if you'll consider this idea we'll be glad to propose a candidacy. Let 
me know what do you think...
Many Thanks

Fabio

From micahel at gmail.com  Thu Mar 29 17:23:17 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 16:23:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
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On 29/03/07, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be> wrote:
> 2007/3/28, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
>
> > I vote for Monday evenings,
>
> much better for me than Wednesday.

Fine with me too -- how about the people who can make Wednesdays at
the moment?  The next Monday is pretty soon, but as we didn't say much
last night perhaps that's not a bad thing.  The monday after that is
Easter Monday, a holiday at least here in the UK, but I don't know if
that will be an issue either.

Cheers,
mwh

From bea at changemaker.nu  Fri Mar 30 09:35:01 2007
From: bea at changemaker.nu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beatrice_D=FCring?=)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:35:01 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
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Hi there


Michael Hudson skrev:
> On 29/03/07, Nicolas Pettiaux <nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be> wrote:
>   
>> 2007/3/28, Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
>>
>>     
>>> I vote for Monday evenings,
>>>       
>> much better for me than Wednesday.
>>     
>
> Fine with me too -- how about the people who can make Wednesdays at
> the moment?  The next Monday is pretty soon, but as we didn't say much
> last night perhaps that's not a bad thing.  The monday after that is
> Easter Monday, a holiday at least here in the UK, but I don't know if
> that will be an issue either.
>
> Cheers,
> mwh
>   
Mondays are OK with me, 18:00.

I can meet on Easter Monday as well....

Cheers

Bea

From aiste at pov.lt  Fri Mar 30 09:53:22 2007
From: aiste at pov.lt (Aiste Kesminaite)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 10:53:22 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
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Hi,

> > Fine with me too -- how about the people who can make Wednesdays at
> > the moment?  The next Monday is pretty soon, but as we didn't say much
> > last night perhaps that's not a bad thing.  The monday after that is
> > Easter Monday, a holiday at least here in the UK, but I don't know if
> > that will be an issue either.

Monday evenings work for me as well.
not sure about the Easter Monday, but others are fine.

-- 
Aiste Kesminaite
Managing director, Programmers of Vilnius
Phone: +370 6563 6462
Email: aiste at pov.lt
Web: www.pov.lt

From lac at openend.se  Fri Mar 30 16:09:15 2007
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:09:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2008 candidacy
In-Reply-To: Message from Fabio Pliger <fabio.pliger@siavr.it> 
	of "Wed, 28 Mar 2007 14:20:30 +0200." <460A5D8E.1080800@siavr.it> 
References: <460A5D8E.1080800@siavr.it> 
Message-ID: <200703301409.l2UE9FTT017782@theraft.openend.se>

Verona's a nice place.  I'd be happy to have Europython there.
Good luck with your bid; I am looking forward to seeing it.

Laura Creighton


From lac at openend.se  Fri Mar 30 16:14:21 2007
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 16:14:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
In-Reply-To: Message from "Michael Hudson" <micahel@gmail.com> of "Thu,
	29 Mar 2007 16:23:17 BST."
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Monday is fine with me.

Laura

From nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be  Sat Mar 31 04:33:28 2007
From: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be (Nicolas Pettiaux)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 04:33:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Meeting time?
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Exceptionnally I won't be available this Monday as I'll be hiking with
my family (we begin 2 weeks of Easter holidays today)

I'll read with interest the report of the meeting as soon as I can

Nicolas

-- 
Nicolas Pettiaux - email: nicolas.pettiaux at ael.be

From micahel at gmail.com  Sat Mar 31 23:41:53 2007
From: micahel at gmail.com (Michael Hudson)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:41:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython 2008 candidacy
In-Reply-To: <460A5D8E.1080800@siavr.it>
References: <460A5D8E.1080800@siavr.it>
Message-ID: <aa0dfd860703311441t676a0e10y352e3a33baa4a6ee@mail.gmail.com>

On 28/03/07, Fabio Pliger <fabio.pliger at siavr.it> wrote:
> Would any candidacy for hosting Europython 2008 be considered? My
> company has some projects with the University of Verona , Italy and
> seems that they have some interest in  bidding  to host EP 2008.
>
> We know that Verona is not a "prime " location as other larger and
> cosmopolitan cities, but
> if you'll consider this idea we'll be glad to propose a candidacy. Let
> me know what do you think...

I guess one should say that it's traditional (as much as EuroPython
has traditions already) to hold the conference in the same place two
years running, if the organizers want to, so if Aiste and co want to
have EuroPython 2008 in Vilnius again, they should probably be able to
-- but I don't know if they do.  And even if they do, there's 2009 :)
Heading south in Europe would be good, from some points of view.

Cheers,
mwh