From gherman at darwin.in-berlin.de  Tue Apr  1 23:12:54 2008
From: gherman at darwin.in-berlin.de (Dinu Gherman)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 23:12:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
In-Reply-To: <47F0B6C0.1030700@egenix.com>
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M.-A. Lemburg:

> The comments on talk length are interesting... 30 minutes were
> considered too short. I found 30 minutes a bit short as well
> last time I did a talk in Vilnius. If you want to have discussions
> and more time switching between talks, then 45 minutes are a lot
> better, IMHO: 30 minutes talk, 10 minutes discussion, 5 minutes break
> and switching.
>
> What do others think ?


I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
average talks.

If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:

   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans Rosling)
   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans Rosling)
   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte Taylor)
   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford Stoll)

Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.

David Boddie:

> For simplicity, we decided that we should keep the 30 vs. 60 minute  
> slots and
> make 45 minute sessions fill the rest of the time with discussion.  
> The idea
> being that in-depth talks could run to around 45 minutes with 15  
> minutes for
> questions and demos - the longer the talk, the more time you have to  
> leave
> for questions. That's the theory, at least.

For EuroPython I think this is the best compromise and the easiest
to schedule.

Regards,

Dinu

From lac at openend.se  Tue Apr  1 23:50:32 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:50:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
In-Reply-To: Message from Dinu Gherman <gherman@darwin.in-berlin.de> of "Tue,
	01 Apr 2008 23:12:54 +0200."
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In a message of Tue, 01 Apr 2008 23:12:54 +0200, Dinu Gherman writes:
>I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
>average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
>average talks.
>
>If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
>utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:
>
>   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans Rosling)
>   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans Rosling)
>   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte Taylor)
>   http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford Stoll)
>
>Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.

Glad you liked them.  It may, alas, take an exceptional person to
make an exceptional talk at 20 minutes.

see: 
    "I have made this [letter] longer, because I have not had the time
    to make it shorter."  Blaise Pascal, "Lettres Provinciales", letter
    16, 1657

Laura


From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 02:13:48 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:13:48 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Videography
Message-ID: <f604188c0804011713g701f0b31ga23cf6ba5c557857@mail.gmail.com>

Just wanted to say I really appreciate the effort that
was put in to getting these Chicago Pycon talks
archived to digital media in that high bandwidth file
format we call MPEG, MOV, WMV or whatever we
call it.  A typical 30 minute talk yields a file of over
7 gigabytes on this hotel venue's equipment.

I know this added dimension is a huge logistical
undertaking, and having experienced Vilnius on
the ground (loved it) would have to say POV has
a lot on its plate already, so why not contract with
a professional videography company (VOV?).

Not saying that's in the budget, just saying it takes
a lot of equipment and labor and isn't something for
just volunteers, even if you get volunteers to help.
Or maybe I'm wrong.  If enough people bring their
own video cameras and tripods, it could all happen
spontaneously?  Let's just say I'm skeptical.

Here's another idea though:  if video is impractical,
go for good audio uptake, which you need anyway
if you have big rooms and want decent projection,
i.e. you'll need a mic anyway, so definitely grab
the audio.  Then let individual speakers take their
voice tracks and go back to add video themselves,
using whatever open (or closed) source magic.

Given geek talks so often involve diagrams, source
code, flow charts, comical interjections, it's not
really a distance shot of the podium, some speaker
pacing back and forth, that's most informative anyway.
That being said, sometimes the physical delivery
*is* a big part of it, so don't let my bias in favor of
"cartoons" overly interfere (I call where I live "Toon-
Town" and consider cartoons a primary medium).

I'm very appreciative of the Pycon2008 channel
on YouTube and the opportunity it affords me to
(a) develop a larger audience for my own talk
(session 53) and (b) catch up on talks that I
missed, many of which had content of great
interest to me, but I could only get to so many
in such a viciously parallel environment (someday
we should try a conference with only one track
-- only keynotes -- everything else Open Space
ala BarCamp (self-organizing -- or not).

Anyway, I'm selfishly interested in Vilnius getting
media coverage, simply because I'm an avid fan
of EuroPythonistas and their multifarious (nefarious?)
activities.  Vicarious Vilnius is better than no Vilnius.

Plus even if I'm there, I like seeing the experience
shared with a wider audience.  We talk a lot about
wanting a more diverse group of attenders, gender-
wise, agewise or whatever.  Well, chances are a lot
of wouldbes and/or wannabes will make up their
minds based on what's on YouTube or whatever,
just as they do re other "tourist destinations".  For
this reason, it's good to have all that Flickr fallout
after every event.  Those savvy enough to follow in
this way are among those we'd like to recruit as
new Pythoneers, why not.

Just today I discovered the holdenweb lookback
at the 2007 Pycon in Texas, which I missed, and
found myself admiring what a difference videography
might make, when it comes to attracting more people
to open source in general, not just Python.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MbGQfQFbPjw

Also, I've been chatting with Julie at O'Reilly about
a subscriber service that'd help geeks with their
home office screencasting (mathcasting a subtype).
Why reinvent the same wheels over and over?
Think clipart.

Kirby

From renesd at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 02:42:07 2008
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:42:07 +1100
Subject: [EuroPython] review of hostel I stayed at last year - please review
	yours.
Message-ID: <64ddb72c0804011742m39d9287djd9f16aefa13c1365@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I put a review of the hostel I stayed at last year in the wiki...
http://www.europython.org/community/Accommodation_Suggestions

It'd be nice if you could also review where you stayed too :)


cheers,

From renesd at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 02:42:07 2008
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 11:42:07 +1100
Subject: [EuroPython] review of hostel I stayed at last year - please review
	yours.
Message-ID: <64ddb72c0804011742m39d9287djd9f16aefa13c1365@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I put a review of the hostel I stayed at last year in the wiki...
http://www.europython.org/community/Accommodation_Suggestions

It'd be nice if you could also review where you stayed too :)


cheers,

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From regebro at gmail.com  Thu Apr 10 19:20:37 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:20:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Quick question:
Message-ID: <319e029f0804101020q5f470243xba2b381314bdc93a@mail.gmail.com>

How many came to Vilnius 2007? I can't find the numbers anywhere...

-- 
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From marius at pov.lt  Thu Apr 10 19:32:11 2008
From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:32:11 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Quick question:
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0804101020q5f470243xba2b381314bdc93a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319e029f0804101020q5f470243xba2b381314bdc93a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080410173211.GE19588@fridge.pov.lt>

On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 07:20:37PM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> How many came to Vilnius 2007? I can't find the numbers anywhere...

IIRC around 225.

http://europython.org/community/Planning/Projections says 215.

Marius Gedminas
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From mal at egenix.com  Sat Apr 12 00:59:47 2008
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 00:59:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
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On 2008-04-01 23:12, Dinu Gherman wrote:
> M.-A. Lemburg:
> 
>> The comments on talk length are interesting... 30 minutes were
>> considered too short. I found 30 minutes a bit short as well
>> last time I did a talk in Vilnius. If you want to have discussions
>> and more time switching between talks, then 45 minutes are a lot
>> better, IMHO: 30 minutes talk, 10 minutes discussion, 5 minutes break
>> and switching.
>>
>> What do others think ?
> 
> 
> I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
> average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
> average talks.
> 
> If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
> utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:
> 
>    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans Rosling)
>    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans Rosling)
>    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte Taylor)
>    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford Stoll)
> 
> Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.

Thanks, I like those TED talks as well, but their scope is different.

If you stick to the 30/60 schedule, please at least tell the speakers
(and the track managers) to leave 5 minutes at the end for switching.

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From faassen at startifact.com  Sat Apr 12 11:59:11 2008
From: faassen at startifact.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:59:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] blog entry on EuroPython and local PyCons
Message-ID: <ftq15g$jrj$1@ger.gmane.org>

Hi there,

I just felt prompted to write a blog entry about the country-specific 
PyCons we've started to see and their relationship to EuroPython. 
Perhaps of interest to people here:

http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2008/04/12/0

Regards,

Martijn


From regebro at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 09:02:34 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:02:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Hans Rosling: Preliminary yes.
Message-ID: <319e029f0804150002w77399731r1dea1bf37e5499ca@mail.gmail.com>

Hans Rosling has preliminary said yes to do the keynote, on Monday or
Tuesday. He'll confirm next week.

So. What now? :)

-- 
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 12:27:47 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:27:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
In-Reply-To: <47FFED63.6000707@egenix.com>
References: <47F0B6C0.1030700@egenix.com>
	<ECA05CDD-E9C8-49B6-9966-A5065BB4D608@darwin.in-berlin.de>
	<47FFED63.6000707@egenix.com>
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On 11/04/2008, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> On 2008-04-01 23:12, Dinu Gherman wrote:
>  > M.-A. Lemburg:
>  >
>  >> The comments on talk length are interesting... 30 minutes were
>  >> considered too short. I found 30 minutes a bit short as well
>  >> last time I did a talk in Vilnius. If you want to have discussions
>  >> and more time switching between talks, then 45 minutes are a lot
>  >> better, IMHO: 30 minutes talk, 10 minutes discussion, 5 minutes break
>  >> and switching.
>  >>
>  >> What do others think ?
>  >
>  >
>  > I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
>  > average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
>  > average talks.
>  >
>  > If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
>  > utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:
>  >
>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans Rosling)
>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans Rosling)
>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte Taylor)
>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford Stoll)
>  >
>  > Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.
>
>
> Thanks, I like those TED talks as well, but their scope is different.
>
>  If you stick to the 30/60 schedule, please at least tell the speakers
>  (and the track managers) to leave 5 minutes at the end for switching.

Yes, we really must start enforcing this.

And there should be no problem scheduling a mix of 30, 45 and 60 minutes talks.

John
--

From peter.bulychev at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 13:00:21 2008
From: peter.bulychev at gmail.com (Peter Bulychev)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:00:21 +0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
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References: <47F0B6C0.1030700@egenix.com>
	<ECA05CDD-E9C8-49B6-9966-A5065BB4D608@darwin.in-berlin.de>
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I think that we should make the schedule more flexible. Of course, every
speaker knows, how long is his presentation, but he doesn't know how many
questions there will be.

I've seen the following situation on several conferences: in the high point
of the discussion the chairman said: "Ok, let's stop, it's time for another
presentation" :)

I think, that the power of the conferences like EuroPython is in their
informality:
if the topic is really interesting, it should be discussed.

2008/4/15 John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:

> On 11/04/2008, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> > On 2008-04-01 23:12, Dinu Gherman wrote:
> >  > M.-A. Lemburg:
> >  >
> >  >> The comments on talk length are interesting... 30 minutes were
> >  >> considered too short. I found 30 minutes a bit short as well
> >  >> last time I did a talk in Vilnius. If you want to have discussions
> >  >> and more time switching between talks, then 45 minutes are a lot
> >  >> better, IMHO: 30 minutes talk, 10 minutes discussion, 5 minutes
> break
> >  >> and switching.
> >  >>
> >  >> What do others think ?
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
> >  > average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
> >  > average talks.
> >  >
> >  > If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
> >  > utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:
> >  >
> >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans Rosling)
> >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans Rosling)
> >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte Taylor)
> >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford Stoll)
> >  >
> >  > Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.
> >
> >
> > Thanks, I like those TED talks as well, but their scope is different.
> >
> >  If you stick to the 30/60 schedule, please at least tell the speakers
> >  (and the track managers) to leave 5 minutes at the end for switching.
>
> Yes, we really must start enforcing this.
>
> And there should be no problem scheduling a mix of 30, 45 and 60 minutes
> talks.
>
> John
> --
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>



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From cs at comlounge.net  Tue Apr 15 13:20:50 2008
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:20:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
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Hi!

Peter Bulychev wrote:
> I think that we should make the schedule more flexible. Of course, every
> speaker knows, how long is his presentation, but he doesn't know how many
> questions there will be.
> 
> I've seen the following situation on several conferences: in the high point
> of the discussion the chairman said: "Ok, let's stop, it's time for another
> presentation" :)
> 
> I think, that the power of the conferences like EuroPython is in their
> informality:
> if the topic is really interesting, it should be discussed.

I wonder if this might be good for a barcamp like part, just schedule a 
discussion for that and discuss things further. I am also wondering if 
some conference makes sense where hald a day is normal presentations and 
half a day it's unconference like. Then there would be time in the 
afternoon to catch up on topics.

Or simply provide 2 rooms or so additionally for barcamp style sessions 
during the conference.

As for length I'd go with 30 or 60 mins so that people know that e.g. 
every full hour there will be a new talk. 45 mins makes it more 
complicated to remember when the next slot will start.
As for Barcamp Ruhr we also made the experience that 30 mins has been 
too short usually for sessions (it was said afterwards though that 
people of course could have reserved two slots if they think they need 
longer). It was changed back to 60 mins then the next day.

-- Christian


> 
> 2008/4/15 John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
> 
>> On 11/04/2008, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
>>> On 2008-04-01 23:12, Dinu Gherman wrote:
>>>  > M.-A. Lemburg:
>>>  >
>>>  >> The comments on talk length are interesting... 30 minutes were
>>>  >> considered too short. I found 30 minutes a bit short as well
>>>  >> last time I did a talk in Vilnius. If you want to have discussions
>>>  >> and more time switching between talks, then 45 minutes are a lot
>>>  >> better, IMHO: 30 minutes talk, 10 minutes discussion, 5 minutes
>> break
>>>  >> and switching.
>>>  >>
>>>  >> What do others think ?
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
>>>  > average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
>>>  > average talks.
>>>  >
>>>  > If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
>>>  > utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:
>>>  >
>>>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans Rosling)
>>>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans Rosling)
>>>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte Taylor)
>>>  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford Stoll)
>>>  >
>>>  > Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, I like those TED talks as well, but their scope is different.
>>>
>>>  If you stick to the 30/60 schedule, please at least tell the speakers
>>>  (and the track managers) to leave 5 minutes at the end for switching.
>> Yes, we really must start enforcing this.
>>
>> And there should be no problem scheduling a mix of 30, 45 and 60 minutes
>> talks.
>>
>> John
>> --
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 13:52:26 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 12:52:26 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk lengths
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On 15/04/2008, Peter Bulychev <peter.bulychev at gmail.com> wrote:
> I think that we should make the schedule more flexible.

Unfortunately this does not work in a multi-track conference. It is
very frustrating for delegates who want to go to talks in different
tracks when they don't run precisely to schedule.

If you want flexibility, you run an unconference or barcamp, or, in
EuroPython, use Open Space.

> Of course, every
> speaker knows, how long is his presentation, but he doesn't know how many
> questions there will be.
>
> I've seen the following situation on several conferences: in the high point
> of the discussion the chairman said: "Ok, let's stop, it's time for another
> presentation" :)
>
> I think, that the power of the conferences like EuroPython is in their
> informality:
> if the topic is really interesting, it should be discussed.

That's why we have Open Space.

John
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> 2008/4/15 John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 11/04/2008, M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com> wrote:
> > > On 2008-04-01 23:12, Dinu Gherman wrote:
> > >  > M.-A. Lemburg:
> > >  >
> > >  >> The comments on talk length are interesting... 30 minutes were
> > >  >> considered too short. I found 30 minutes a bit short as well
> > >  >> last time I did a talk in Vilnius. If you want to have discussions
> > >  >> and more time switching between talks, then 45 minutes are a lot
> > >  >> better, IMHO: 30 minutes talk, 10 minutes discussion, 5 minutes
> break
> > >  >> and switching.
> > >  >>
> > >  >> What do others think ?
> > >  >
> > >  >
> > >  > I assume, the average speaker likes to give longer talks and the
> > >  > average listener likes to consume shorter talks - a least for
> > >  > average talks.
> > >  >
> > >  > If you need prove that exceptional talks can be less than 20 min-
> > >  > utes have a look at ted.com, maybe starting here:
> > >  >
> > >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/92  (Hans
> Rosling)
> > >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/140 (Hans
> Rosling)
> > >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/229 (Jill Bolte
> Taylor)
> > >  >    http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/237 (Clifford
> Stoll)
> > >  >
> > >  > Thanks to Laura for pointing me to Hans Rosling's videos.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks, I like those TED talks as well, but their scope is different.
> > >
> > >  If you stick to the 30/60 schedule, please at least tell the speakers
> > >  (and the track managers) to leave 5 minutes at the end for switching.
> >
> > Yes, we really must start enforcing this.
> >
> > And there should be no problem scheduling a mix of 30, 45 and 60 minutes
> talks.
> >
> > John
> > --
> >
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>
>
>
> --
> Best regards,
>  Peter Bulychev.

From fabio.pliger at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 22:54:44 2008
From: fabio.pliger at gmail.com (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:54:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Local Teams
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Hi All,

I'm one member of the Pycon Italy organization team. It's been a while since
I've been discussing about european integration of local national python
organization and few days ago i've read this post (
http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2008/04/12/0 ).The great thing
about this post is that it tryies to focus a big problem ( not only ): how
to improve europython and how to manage with local conferences (bad?)
influence.

Thus, i've talked with Laura about it and exposed her my opinion: Why can't
local teams and europython work together? Why not having local teams of
motivated people that work for their conference and also for europython?
They should have the right ambitious purpose, some experience organizing
social event and.. they (should ;)  ) love python! So.. my idea is  to have
Europython national team ( or representatives or whatever you want to call
them ) that work inside their community ( and their conference )help to let
people know about EP, about how it works, about how to get there ( maybe
with other national pythonistas ), about anything you want...

I, by myself, propose myself to run this ( with any other Python Italy that
believes it's a good idea ;) ) for Italy and also to propose myself as
regional-groups-coordinator, as Laura suggested. I hope this will be a good
initiative for both Europython and local teams. If someone have any opinion
or want to offer their help as local helpers feel free to give a shout! ;)

Fabio Pliger
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From bayokrapht at googlemail.com  Thu Apr 24 03:47:49 2008
From: bayokrapht at googlemail.com (bayo)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:47:49 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] attend europython2008 conference
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I would very much love to attend the europython2008.
However lithuania does not seem to have an embassy in my country (Nigeria).
I have read the docs on getting a visa and will proceed accordingly.
Sounds like loads of fun.
(just joined the mailling list, which explains this gratuitous posting :))

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From lac at openend.se  Sat Apr 26 04:56:21 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:56:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] attend europython2008 conference
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In a message of Thu, 24 Apr 2008 02:47:49 BST, bayo writes:
>I would very much love to attend the europython2008.
>However lithuania does not seem to have an embassy in my country (Nigeria
>).
>I have read the docs on getting a visa and will proceed accordingly.
>Sounds like loads of fun.
>(just joined the mailling list, which explains this gratuitous posting :)
>)

Welcome to the list.
What are you currently using Python for?

Laura Creighton



From info at thegrantinstitute.com  Tue Apr 29 10:11:11 2008
From: info at thegrantinstitute.com (Anthony Jones)
Date: 29 Apr 2008 01:11:11 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Professional Grant Proposal Writing Workshop (May
	2008: University of Ottawa, Ontario)
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