From mal at egenix.com  Mon Jun  2 11:54:23 2008
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:54:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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On 2008-05-31 16:55, Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Saturday 31 May 2008 15:20:04 Laura Creighton wrote:
>> I don't find a section about 'how to get from the trainstation
>> or the airport to the conference venue'.  Are we missing this?
> 
> Yes. I'd like to know what the locals recommend and what people found out last 
> year. The taxi ride from the airport was "exciting", but I heard that the bus 
> is actually quite convenient. Anyone?

We took the taxi last year. It's not really all that expensive,
but you do need to watch out that you don't get ripped off it
seems.

Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
to the hotel, than the other way around.

Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a no-brainer
and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).

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From mal at egenix.com  Mon Jun  2 11:57:51 2008
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 11:57:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk acceptance date ?
Message-ID: <4843C41F.40603@egenix.com>

I had a look on the calendar but it doesn't mention when to expect
the accept/decline emails from the EPC talk management team.

Would be great if you could get those out by the end of this week,
so that speakers can start working on the talks.

Thanks,
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From marius at pov.lt  Mon Jun  2 17:27:14 2008
From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2008 18:27:14 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20080602152714.GB9888@fridge.pov.lt>

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 04:55:45PM +0200, Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Saturday 31 May 2008 15:20:04 Laura Creighton wrote:
> > I don't find a section about 'how to get from the trainstation
> > or the airport to the conference venue'.  Are we missing this?
> 
> Yes. I'd like to know what the locals recommend and what people found out last 
> year. The taxi ride from the airport was "exciting", but I heard that the bus 
> is actually quite convenient. Anyone?

I don't know about excitement, but I've heard that the taxis tend to
overcharge a lot.  There's a big stand showing the official prices next
to the taxi stop, but it is a few meters to the side from the exit, and
people usually don't notice it.

    Once I was feeling rather ill, didn't care about the price, and went
    straight to a waiting taxi at the airport.  The driver warned me
    that it will be very expensive, no really very expensive, and almost
    insisted that I should instead call a taxi on my cellphone.  So
    that's what I did.

Here's what the airport has to say:
http://www.vilnius-airport.lt/en/airport_guide/communication/index.php

Here's a site for looking up bus routes in Vilnius:
http://www.marsrutai.info/vilnius/?a=p.routes&transport_id=search&t=xhtml&l=en

The bus stop at the airport is called "Oro uostas", the bus stop closest
to the Reval Hotel is "Europos aik?t?" ("Europos aikste" works too).
There's a direct bus going between them (bus number 2), but sadly the
AJAX-y site has no bookmarkable URLs to show the route.  There are
between 2 and 4 buses per hour, so expect a 20/30-minute wait:
http://www.marsrutai.info/vilnius/?a=p.frameset&schedule_id=248&t=xhtml&l=en

There are ATMs in the arrival's hall of the airport for getting local
currency (litas), and there's a newsstand that sells bus tickets
(1.10 Lt for a single ticket).  You can also buy tickets directly on the
bus, but the price is higher (1.40 Lt).

    There are also 1 day, 3 day, and 10 day tickets, costing 6, 14 and
    27 Lt respectively.  There are only four places in the city where
    you can get buy them, and the airport is not one of them.  For
    reference, this page tells you where you can get them, but it is
    only available in Lithuanian:
    http://www.vilniustransport.lt/lt/pages/view/?id=53

Marius Gedminas
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From aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 08:31:02 2008
From: aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-13?Q?Aist=EB_Kesminait=EB?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 09:31:02 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
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References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
> to the hotel, than the other way around.
>
> Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a no-brainer
> and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
> to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).
>

It's not a systematic problem, but the way the charging works, you pay
double price per km (or about that) if you get a taxi from the street rather
than calling it and it's an official charging scheme, not a ripoff. The
hotel calls you a taxi thus you end up paying less per km.

-- 
Aist? Kesminait?

Managing director
Programmers of Vilnius
+37065636462
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From renesd at gmail.com  Tue Jun  3 08:36:06 2008
From: renesd at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Dudfield?=)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 16:36:06 +1000
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>
	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64ddb72c0806022336j573b65f5kbbccc92a82c6ff77@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

If you arrive late, you'll need to catch a taxi.  Since the bus stops
fairly early (not sure when exactly... maybe 10pm... I can't
remember).  So check the timetable if you're arriving late.

But the bus is fine to catch, and cheap :)  However you'll need some
coin Litas - which are hard to get outside of Lithuania.

cu,

From mal at egenix.com  Tue Jun  3 11:23:25 2008
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:23:25 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>
	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48450D8D.8010909@egenix.com>

On 2008-06-03 08:31, Aiste. Kesminaite. wrote:
>>
>> Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
>> to the hotel, than the other way around.
>>
>> Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a no-brainer
>> and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
>> to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).
>>
> 
> It's not a systematic problem, but the way the charging works, you pay
> double price per km (or about that) if you get a taxi from the street rather
> than calling it and it's an official charging scheme, not a ripoff. The
> hotel calls you a taxi thus you end up paying less per km.

Good to know and probably worth putting up on the web-site.

-- 
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From lac at openend.se  Tue Jun  3 11:54:15 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2008 11:54:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: Message from "=?ISO-8859-13?Q?Aist=EB_Kesminait=EB?="
	<aiste.kesminaite@gmail.com> of "Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:31:02 +0300."
	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>
	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200806030954.m539sFCh025470@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Tue, 03 Jun 2008 09:31:02 +0300, "=?ISO-8859-13?Q?Aist=EB_Kesmi
nait=EB?=" writes:



     Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
     to the hotel, than the other way around.
     Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a
     no-brainer
     and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
     to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).

   It's not a systematic problem, but the way the charging works, you pay
   double price per km (or about that) if you get a taxi from the street
   rather than calling it and it's an official charging scheme, not a
   ripoff. The hotel calls you a taxi thus you end up paying less per km.

   --
   Aist? Kesminait?
   Managing director
   Programmers of Vilnius
   +37065636462
   www.pov.lt

Put that up on the conference page, because everybody needs to know
that.  Also what are the buses that take you to the conference hotel.

Thank you,
Laura


From marius at pov.lt  Tue Jun  3 14:35:29 2008
From: marius at pov.lt (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2008 15:35:29 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <20080602152714.GB9888@fridge.pov.lt>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<20080602152714.GB9888@fridge.pov.lt>
Message-ID: <20080603123529.GA7596@fridge.pov.lt>

On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 06:27:14PM +0300, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> Here's a site for looking up bus routes in Vilnius:
> http://www.marsrutai.info/vilnius/?a=p.routes&transport_id=search&t=xhtml&l=en

Actually, http://www.marsrutai.lt seems to be a bit prettier.  Here's
the route:
http://www.marsrutai.lt/vilnius/#Search/Oro%20uostas,Europos%20aikste,2008-06-03,15%3A34,0,;-1;3;500;3,1,.

Marius Gedminas
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From info at thegrantinstitute.com  Sat Jun  7 07:24:56 2008
From: info at thegrantinstitute.com (Anthony Jones)
Date: 06 Jun 2008 22:24:56 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Professional Grant Proposal Writing Workshop (August
	2008: Ann Arbor, Michigan - University of Phoenix Campus)
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From ts.vijayan at nokia.com  Tue Jun 10 07:21:18 2008
From: ts.vijayan at nokia.com (ts.vijayan at nokia.com)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:51:18 +0530
Subject: [EuroPython] Invitation Letter
Message-ID: <5FCD79F4074D8B4E81D4D5FA6C81BAEC765A6F@ndebe102.NOE.Nokia.com>

Hi,

I am Vijayan working for Nokia private limited, India. I would like to
attend EuroPython 2008 conference. Please let me know How do I get the
Invitation letter for this conference so that I can apply for Visa.

Regards,
Vijayan 
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From gslusarek at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 13:40:50 2008
From: gslusarek at gmail.com (Grzegorz Slusarek)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:40:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Invoice for Europython 2008
Message-ID: <5340a0e60806100440w61b3aee9k3996e2d4685f8c81@mail.gmail.com>

hello
By the end of the may I registered to europython 2008. Till that moment I
didn't get any invoce and my accountant going to be angry.
The question is that invoce which I expect to get, will by sent with a may
date (in that case I need that invoice very soon) or will be sent with june
date?  (in that case I can wait).
Best Wishes
Grzegorz ?lusarek
<http://www.dict.pl/dict?word=accountant&lang=PL>
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 14:09:01 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:09:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Invoice for Europython 2008
In-Reply-To: <5340a0e60806100440w61b3aee9k3996e2d4685f8c81@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5340a0e60806100440w61b3aee9k3996e2d4685f8c81@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0806100509v13d297adj6abda89b21f4e247@mail.gmail.com>

To the EP list:

I am replying to Grzegorz offlist. No further action is needed.

Thanks,

John
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2008/6/10 Grzegorz Slusarek <gslusarek at gmail.com>:
> hello
> By the end of the may I registered to europython 2008. Till that moment I
> didn't get any invoce and my accountant going to be angry.
> The question is that invoce which I expect to get, will by sent with a may
> date (in that case I need that invoice very soon) or will be sent with june
> date?  (in that case I can wait).
> Best Wishes
> Grzegorz ?lusarek
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>

From lac at openend.se  Tue Jun 10 18:15:53 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:15:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Invoice for Europython 2008
In-Reply-To: Message from "Grzegorz Slusarek" <gslusarek@gmail.com> of "Tue,
	10 Jun 2008 13:40:50 +0200."
	<5340a0e60806100440w61b3aee9k3996e2d4685f8c81@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <5340a0e60806100440w61b3aee9k3996e2d4685f8c81@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200806101615.m5AGFrYP000839@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Tue, 10 Jun 2008 13:40:50 +0200, "Grzegorz Slusarek" writes:

hello
   By the end of the may I registered to europython 2008. Till that
   moment I didn't get any invoce and my accountant going to be angry.
   The question is that invoce which I expect to get, will by sent with a
   may date (in that case I need that invoice very soon) or will be sent
   with june date?  (in that case I can wait).
   Best Wishes
   Grzegorz ?lusarek
----------------

Normally we send out the invoices after the conference.  This means
that we can send them all out at one time, including ones for
people who register at the door.  Will this be acceptable?

Laura Creighton

From x at bartskowron.com  Wed Jun 11 17:07:18 2008
From: x at bartskowron.com (Bartosz SKOWRON)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 17:07:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payment
Message-ID: <20080611170718.178f31e1@banan>

Hi,

I would like to pay via PayPal. can anyone provide europython paypal
address?

bart.

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 00:30:16 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 23:30:16 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] paypal payment
In-Reply-To: <20080611170718.178f31e1@banan>
References: <20080611170718.178f31e1@banan>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0806111530i5384fa7cre47673ab9ad491f2@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bart,

2008/6/11 Bartosz SKOWRON <x at bartskowron.com>:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to pay via PayPal. can anyone provide europython paypal
> address?

>From the registration system shopping cart you select Pay by Credit or
Debit Card using PayPal, then you will be able to pay by Credit Card
*or* PayPal if you have a PayPal account.

Best wishes,

John
--

From agnieszka at grono.net  Fri Jun 13 13:20:02 2008
From: agnieszka at grono.net (Agnieszka Wojtysiak)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 13:20:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] invoice
Message-ID: <742061D28B477B4BB35400E9128FE56C8DC2E5@dakota.nemo.pl>

Desr Sir/Madam,

 

Can I please ask to send me an invoice for Mr. Patryk Majewski, who was registered today for Europython2008 from Grono.net S.A.?

I also registered Mr Pawel Kowalczyk (order RC3256957) and Mr Mariusz Nowak (order RC3256980), for which I printed the invoices. 

Unfortunately, I forgot to print also the invoice for Mr. Majewski

Could you please be so kind and send me the above mentioned invoice for Mr Majewski?

Kind regards,

Agnieszka Wojtysiak
CEO Assistant
Tel: +48 (22) 607 25 50 
Email: a.wojtysiak at grono.net

 

Grono.net S.A.
ul. Szturmowa 2a, 02-678 Warszawa
S?d Rejonowy dla m.st. Warszawy, XIII Wydzia? Gospodarczy; 
KRS 0000292169, NIP: 9291739015  Regon:141197097 Kapita? zak?adowy w ca?o?ci op?acony: 550.000,00 z?
http://grono.net

Tre?? tej wiadomo?ci jest poufna i prawnie chroniona. Odbiorca mo?e by? jedynie jej adresat z wy??czeniem dost?pu os?b trzecich. Je?eli nie jeste? adresatem niniejszej wiadomo?ci, jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dzia?anie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i mo?e by karalne. Je?eli wiadomo?? ta trafi?a do Ciebie omy?kowo, uprzejmie prosimy o odes?anie jej na adres nadawcy i usuni?cie.

 

 

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From cs at comlounge.net  Thu Jun 12 13:23:47 2008
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2008 13:23:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Volunteers needed for video streaming!
Message-ID: <48510743.6090104@comlounge.net>

Hello everybody!

This year our goal is to provide a much better video coverage for the 
EuroPython conference. This means we want to stream the talks and record 
them automatically while streaming. As EuroPython is a community driven 
conference I hope to find people who can help me with that task!

So here is what we need:

- Camcorders with Firewire-Connection (please tell which types of
   connections it has)
- Laptops with Firewire-Connections (PC or Mac) and mic-in.
- Tripods
- Firewire-Cables (which fits cameras and laptops
- People who control cameras (best would be more than 1 person per room
   so people are free to maybe attend different talks)
- optional: DV-Tapes if you want to record it as well
- optional: People who edit the footage afterwards (as this takes a lot
   of time it's unlikely that one person will do this on it's own in it's
   sparetime).

I hope that we can get sound from the soundsystem at the hotel. If not 
it would also be great to have some wireless microphones but as they are 
expensive I doubt that somebody has a bunch around?

If you have something like that and would be able to provide this for 
streaming purposes (means staying in one room) then please tell me. The 
more the better and the better will be the result in the end. You can 
ask questions on the list or reply to me at cs at comlounge.net.

I hope to hear from many of you guys and that we tigether can make EP 
2008 a success! :-)

-- Christian

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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 12:57:21 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 12:57:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] stuff of ep 2005, 2006 and 2007
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0806150357i491f1b15h8ff3ec64c9151ea1@mail.gmail.com>

I think I read somewhere that it was archived. Where?

harald

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EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sun Jun 15 15:30:23 2008
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:30:23 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] stuff of ep 2005, 2006 and 2007
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0806150357i491f1b15h8ff3ec64c9151ea1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7be3f35d0806150357i491f1b15h8ff3ec64c9151ea1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200806151530.23715.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Sunday 15 June 2008 12:57:21 Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> I think I read somewhere that it was archived. Where?

Start here:

http://www.europython.org/About%20EuroPython

Earlier stuff (especially for 2002 and 2003) isn't adequately archived, 
unfortunately.

Paul

From cs at comlounge.net  Sun Jun 15 15:31:44 2008
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2008 15:31:44 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] stuff of ep 2005, 2006 and 2007
In-Reply-To: <200806151530.23715.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <7be3f35d0806150357i491f1b15h8ff3ec64c9151ea1@mail.gmail.com>
	<200806151530.23715.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <485519C0.3080709@comlounge.net>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Sunday 15 June 2008 12:57:21 Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>> I think I read somewhere that it was archived. Where?
> 
> Start here:
> 
> http://www.europython.org/About%20EuroPython
> 
> Earlier stuff (especially for 2002 and 2003) isn't adequately archived, 
> unfortunately.

But maybe here: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://europython.org

-- Christian


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From lac at openend.se  Mon Jun 16 16:51:11 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:51:11 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] 2 Europython speakers with a non-working email
	addresses
Message-ID: <200806161451.m5GEpBEl017233@theraft.openend.se>


Anybody know how to reach Michael Meinel or
Stefan Pielicke?

Laura

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        fwierzbicki at gmail.com, spielicke at gmail.com, holger at merlinux.de,
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cc: europython-improve at python.org
Subject: Nag Nag Nag
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:30:16 +0200
From: Laura Creighton <lac at theraft.openend.se>

Hello Europython Speakers.  All of you are receiving this mail
because we have no record of you registering for Europython.  I
realise that some of you have been waiting to find out if your
travel stipend has been approved, and one of you has been waiting
for the invitation letter necessary for your visa.  Some of you
may have been waiting to find out if you get the speaker's rate
or not.  But I hope that all of this is settled now, so could you please
come register?  This will greatly lesson the anxieties of the
organising committee, who fear that Europython may have a
hole where 21 talks should be.

Thanks very much for understanding,
Laura Creighton




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From funthyme at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 17:04:10 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:04:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] 2 Europython speakers with a non-working email
	addresses
In-Reply-To: <200806161451.m5GEpBEl017233@theraft.openend.se>
References: <200806161451.m5GEpBEl017233@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0806160804s23275939v728717d4569675b1@mail.gmail.com>

2008/6/16 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
>
> Anybody know how to reach Michael Meinel or
> Stefan Pielicke?

We seem to have some transposition errors, which I will correct:

They should be:

spielicke at gmx.net and michael.meinel at dlr.de  (that is DLR not DIR)

John
--


> Laura
>
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> <<< 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please
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>        fwierzbicki at gmail.com, spielicke at gmail.com, holger at merlinux.de,
>        honza.kral at gmail.com, jackdied at gmail.com, lucio.torre at gmail.com,
>        fijall at gmail.com, michael.meinel at dir.de, nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr,
>        peter.bulychev at gmail.com, ricardoquesada at gmail.com,
>        spe.stani.be at gmail.com, Ted.Leung at Sun.com, Tobias.Schlauch at dlr.de
> cc: europython-improve at python.org
> Subject: Nag Nag Nag
> Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:30:16 +0200
> From: Laura Creighton <lac at theraft.openend.se>
>
> Hello Europython Speakers.  All of you are receiving this mail
> because we have no record of you registering for Europython.  I
> realise that some of you have been waiting to find out if your
> travel stipend has been approved, and one of you has been waiting
> for the invitation letter necessary for your visa.  Some of you
> may have been waiting to find out if you get the speaker's rate
> or not.  But I hope that all of this is settled now, so could you please
> come register?  This will greatly lesson the anxieties of the
> organising committee, who fear that Europython may have a
> hole where 21 talks should be.
>
> Thanks very much for understanding,
> Laura Creighton
>
>
>
>
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>
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> _______________________________________________
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From lac at openend.se  Mon Jun 16 17:12:02 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:12:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] 2 Europython speakers with a non-working email
	addresses
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Pinner" <funthyme@gmail.com> of "Mon,
	16 Jun 2008 16:04:10 BST."
	<ff8a32f0806160804s23275939v728717d4569675b1@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <200806161451.m5GEpBEl017233@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0806160804s23275939v728717d4569675b1@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200806161512.m5GFC2vF020668@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:04:10 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>2008/6/16 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
>>
>> Anybody know how to reach Michael Meinel or
>> Stefan Pielicke?
>
>We seem to have some transposition errors, which I will correct:
>
>They should be:
>
>spielicke at gmx.net and michael.meinel at dlr.de  (that is DLR not DIR)
>
>John

Thanks John, I will re-nag those two separately.

Laura

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 00:45:53 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:45:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>
	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0806181545m5c3c7ae4j1efbeab378b31f56@mail.gmail.com>

2008/6/3 Aist? Kesminait? <aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
>> to the hotel, than the other way around.
>>
>> Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a no-brainer
>> and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
>> to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).
>
> It's not a systematic problem, but the way the charging works, you pay
> double price per km (or about that) if you get a taxi from the street rather
> than calling it and it's an official charging scheme, not a ripoff. The
> hotel calls you a taxi thus you end up paying less per km.

So, if one arrives at the airport, is there a number one should call,
or could you even call the hotel to arrange a taxi?

John
--

From dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 07:37:39 2008
From: dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com (Dalius Dobravolskas)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:37:39 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0806181545m5c3c7ae4j1efbeab378b31f56@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0806181545m5c3c7ae4j1efbeab378b31f56@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4859F0A3.4060502@gmail.com>

John Pinner wrote:
 > 2008/6/3 Aist? Kesminait? <aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com>:
 >>> Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
 >>> to the hotel, than the other way around.
 >>>
 >>> Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a no-brainer
 >>> and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
 >>> to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).
 >> It's not a systematic problem, but the way the charging works, you pay
 >> double price per km (or about that) if you get a taxi from the 
street rather
 >> than calling it and it's an official charging scheme, not a ripoff. The
 >> hotel calls you a taxi thus you end up paying less per km.
 >
 > So, if one arrives at the airport, is there a number one should call,
 > or could you even call the hotel to arrange a taxi?

Every taxi firm has its own number. Here are prices and numbers for some 
of taxi firms:
http://www.etaksi.lt/en/default.aspx?page=prices&companyweb=14

It is half english site so here is rough translation:

Vienkartinis mokestis u? ?s?dim? - Payment for sitting into taxi
U? nuva?iuoto kelio 1km mieste - price for 1 km in the town/city
U? nuva?iuoto kelio 1km u?miestyje - price for 1 km in the rural area
Be i?kvietimo telefonu 1km - price for 1 km if you just sit into taxi

I have not much experience with taxi in Vilnius but one my colleague 
from India had no problem using "Martono taksi" (short mobile number 
1422). "Merselita" rings a bell as well for me (phone 1444). Technically 
you can use any 14xx combination and you will call taxi but I don't 
promise that you will call Taxi that is in Vilnius ;-) Here is list of 
14xx serie - check numbers marked with TAXI 
http://wiki.partner.biteplius.lt/doku.php/lt:takenshortnumberslt

I will add soon some photos and information about micro-buses (that 
might be good and cheap choice as well).

HTH,
Dalius

From aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 09:44:03 2008
From: aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Aist=C4=97_Kesminait=C4=97?=)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 10:44:03 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <4859F0A3.4060502@gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk> <4843C34F.2060701@egenix.com>
	<2d1f92950806022331q260f2991m970f89b585e163cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0806181545m5c3c7ae4j1efbeab378b31f56@mail.gmail.com>
	<4859F0A3.4060502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d1f92950806190044l1205fda1rd02f6c9261245bc2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/6/19 Dalius Dobravolskas <dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com>:

> John Pinner wrote:
> > 2008/6/3 Aist? Kesminait? <aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com>:
> >>> Last year we payed twice as much for the way from the airport
> >>> to the hotel, than the other way around.
> >>>
> >>> Compared to what you'll have to pay in Birmingham, it's a no-brainer
> >>> and I got ripped off there as well, again going from the airport
> >>> to the hotel - looks like a systematic problem :-).
> >> It's not a systematic problem, but the way the charging works, you pay
> >> double price per km (or about that) if you get a taxi from the street
> rather
> >> than calling it and it's an official charging scheme, not a ripoff. The
> >> hotel calls you a taxi thus you end up paying less per km.
> >
> > So, if one arrives at the airport, is there a number one should call,
> > or could you even call the hotel to arrange a taxi?
>
> Every taxi firm has its own number. Here are prices and numbers for some of
> taxi firms:
> http://www.etaksi.lt/en/default.aspx?page=prices&companyweb=14
>
> It is half english site so here is rough translation:
>
> Vienkartinis mokestis u? ?s?dim? - Payment for sitting into taxi
> U? nuva?iuoto kelio 1km mieste - price for 1 km in the town/city
> U? nuva?iuoto kelio 1km u?miestyje - price for 1 km in the rural area
> Be i?kvietimo telefonu 1km - price for 1 km if you just sit into taxi

    without booking it

>
>
> I have not much experience with taxi in Vilnius but one my colleague from
> India had no problem using "Martono taksi" (short mobile number 1422).
> "Merselita" rings a bell as well for me (phone 1444). Technically you can
> use any 14xx combination and you will call taxi but I don't promise that you
> will call Taxi that is in Vilnius ;-) Here is list of 14xx serie - check
> numbers marked with TAXI
> http://wiki.partner.biteplius.lt/doku.php/lt:takenshortnumberslt
>
> I will add soon some photos and information about micro-buses (that might
> be good and cheap choice as well).
>
> HTH,
> Dalius
>
> _______________________________________________
> Europython-improve mailing list
> Europython-improve at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython-improve
>



-- 
Aist? Kesminait?

Managing director
Programmers of Vilnius
+37065636462
www.pov.lt
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From: tundesoye at yahoo.com (b a)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:47:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] order ref: RC3284498 ADESOYE BABATUNDE PAUL NEED
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hi/sir,
        Greeting to you overthere i am ADESOYE BABATUNDE PAUL with order ref: RC3284498,i want to attend the europython event pls i have be to the embassy of lithuania i was told that i need an invitation letter aproved from the home office to get visa and other  conference document,i we be happy if i can get aprover from the home office to get the visa so that i can attend the event,look forward to hear from you thanks 

       
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From pepitovadecurt at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 17:20:46 2008
From: pepitovadecurt at gmail.com (pepitovadecurt)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:20:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Connect to AS400
Message-ID: <g3dtgg$8l6$2@ger.gmane.org>

Hi, I have a Windows ODBC connection to a AS400 server.
Is posible to connect with python (with ODBC or directly)?


From lac at openend.se  Thu Jun 19 18:51:47 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:51:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] order ref: RC3284498 ADESOYE BABATUNDE PAUL NEED
	ATTENTION
In-Reply-To: Message from b a <tundesoye@yahoo.com> of "Thu,
	19 Jun 2008 04:47:45 PDT."
	<690902.21147.qm@web57911.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
References: <690902.21147.qm@web57911.mail.re3.yahoo.com> 
Message-ID: <200806191651.m5JGplp4006405@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:47:45 PDT, b a writes:
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>hi/sir,
>        Greeting to you overthere i am ADESOYE BABATUNDE PAUL with order 
>ref: RC3284498,i want to attend the europython event pls i have be to the
> embassy of lithuania i was told that i need an invitation letter aproved
> from the home office to get visa and other  conference document,i we be 
>happy if i can get aprover from the home office to get the visa so that i
> can attend the event,look forward to hear from you thanks 

What do you use python for?

Laura Creighton


From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu Jun 19 21:29:21 2008
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:29:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Connect to AS400
In-Reply-To: <g3dtgg$8l6$2@ger.gmane.org>
References: <g3dtgg$8l6$2@ger.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <200806192129.21885.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Thursday 19 June 2008 17:20:46 pepitovadecurt wrote:
> Hi, I have a Windows ODBC connection to a AS400 server.
> Is posible to connect with python (with ODBC or directly)?

It might be, but you should ask this question on the DB-SIG mailing list. Take 
a look at this page for details:

http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/db-sig

Paul

From dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 12:21:37 2008
From: dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com (Dalius Dobravolskas)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:21:37 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <484171BB.3060103@gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<319e029f0805310811u241e7cabib19f0e8d9d6e7d19@mail.gmail.com>
	<484171BB.3060103@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4860CAB1.9050202@gmail.com>

Hello, All,

As I have promised her is a little bit information about micro-buses.

Here is how they look like 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24565656 at N07/2606518079/

And here is number 15 you can catch at air port:
* http://www.flickr.com/photos/24565656 at N07/2607347182/

On the side of it is written ORO UOSTAS - SANTARI?K?S (Air port - 
Santari?k?s). Santari?k?s is part of Vilnius.

Price 3 Litas per person.

They stop only when you ask. Drivers understand Lithuanian and Russian 
but shouting STOP HERE should work as well. Number 15 will take almost 
you to place. You should get out of it either just before the river near 
the White Bridge. In this case you cross White Bridge and Reval hotel is 
in front of you. You can't miss it. Other possibility is to climb out of 
microbus after crossing The Green Bridge with soviet-era sculptures on 
it. In that case you should cross the street and go towards Reval Hotel 
by climbing stairs and going forward (fast way) or by going by the river 
(a little bit slower).

Should I add this information to wiki?

Regards,
Dalius

From thomas at apestaart.org  Wed Jun 25 12:09:24 2008
From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 12:09:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] proof of registration payment
In-Reply-To: <1188255915.30794.4.camel@ana.amantes>
References: <1187007574.25763.29.camel@level.fluendo.lan>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD2464DB309C@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
	<1188255915.30794.4.camel@ana.amantes>
Message-ID: <1214388564.8512.140.camel@ana.amantes>

Hi,

I still haven't received a proof of payment for last year at Europython,
which I need to get reimbursed by my company.

I would like to come again this year, but really I would need some
confirmation first that I'm going to get my proof of payment.

Can you let me know please ?

Thanks
Thomas


On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 01:05 +0200, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> any news on this ? 
> 
> Thanks,
> Thomas
> 
> On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 17:39 +0200, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> > Thomas Vander Stichele <> scribbled on Monday, August 13, 2007 2:20 PM:
> > 
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > I registered at Europython itself and was told that I could request a
> > > document showing I paid the registration cash.  How do I get this
> > > document ?
> > 
> > I will send it to you. What is your registration ID?
> > 
> > Many thanks,
> > 
> > /dario
> > 
> 

-- 
Put something real to me
--
savon - Saving your work to svn
https://apestaart.org/thomas/trac/



From funthyme at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 14:07:06 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 13:07:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] proof of registration payment
In-Reply-To: <1214388564.8512.140.camel@ana.amantes>
References: <1187007574.25763.29.camel@level.fluendo.lan>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD2464DB309C@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
	<1188255915.30794.4.camel@ana.amantes>
	<1214388564.8512.140.camel@ana.amantes>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0806250507q49d0fe43k6c65aa7c3294b948@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Thomas,

2008/6/25 Thomas Vander Stichele <thomas at apestaart.org>:
> Hi,
>
> I still haven't received a proof of payment for last year at Europython,
> which I need to get reimbursed by my company.

I'm sorry to hear this. Dario is no longer able tp play an active part
in EP, so I'll chase up your receipt for last year with Laura.

> I would like to come again this year, but really I would need some
> confirmation first that I'm going to get my proof of payment.

> Can you let me know please ?

With this year's registration system, if you pay via the website using
your credit/debit card or PayPal, you will be able to print a receipt
immediately.  If you want to pay by cash at registration, we can sign
the receipt on the spot.

I hope that's OK, and look forward to seeing you in Vilnius.

best wishes,

John
--
John Pinner

> Thanks
> Thomas
>
>
> On Tue, 2007-08-28 at 01:05 +0200, Thomas Vander Stichele wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> any news on this ?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Thomas
>>
>> On Mon, 2007-08-13 at 17:39 +0200, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
>> > Thomas Vander Stichele <> scribbled on Monday, August 13, 2007 2:20 PM:
>> >
>> > > Hi,
>> > >
>> > > I registered at Europython itself and was told that I could request a
>> > > document showing I paid the registration cash.  How do I get this
>> > > document ?
>> >
>> > I will send it to you. What is your registration ID?
>> >
>> > Many thanks,
>> >
>> > /dario
>> >
>>
>
> --
> Put something real to me
> --
> savon - Saving your work to svn
> https://apestaart.org/thomas/trac/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From thomas at apestaart.org  Wed Jun 25 14:17:38 2008
From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:17:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fixed! RE:  proof of registration payment
In-Reply-To: <04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD246402DF7007@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
References: <1187007574.25763.29.camel@level.fluendo.lan>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD2464DB309C@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
	<1188255915.30794.4.camel@ana.amantes>
	<1214388564.8512.140.camel@ana.amantes>
	<ff8a32f0806250507q49d0fe43k6c65aa7c3294b948@mail.gmail.com>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD246402DF7007@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
Message-ID: <1214396258.8512.199.camel@ana.amantes>

Thanks a lot everyone!

See you at ep2008

Thomas

On Wed, 2008-06-25 at 14:11 +0200, Dario Lopez-K?sten wrote:
> John Pinner <mailto:funthyme at gmail.com> scribbled on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:07 PM:
> 
> > Hello Thomas,
> > 
> > 2008/6/25 Thomas Vander Stichele <thomas at apestaart.org>:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I still haven't received a proof of payment for last year at
> >> Europython, which I need to get reimbursed by my company.
> > 
> > I'm sorry to hear this. Dario is no longer able tp play an active part
> > in EP, so I'll chase up your receipt for last year with Laura.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Even while I am not active in EP I've taken care of this :-)
> 
> I found the emails that he, Laura and I exchanged last year and it was totally my fault that I missed the sending out of the receipt.
> 
> Anyway, I was able to boot my homebrew system I used for last year's invoincing and produced a proper receipt for him that I have sent attached as PDF by email.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> /dario
> 

-- 
Take my hands between your knees
Once inside
I'll only take the things that shine
You always said those things were mine
--
MOAP - Maintaining your projects since 2006
https://apestaart.org/moap/trac/



From Dario.Lopez-Kasten at jeppesen.com  Wed Jun 25 14:11:55 2008
From: Dario.Lopez-Kasten at jeppesen.com (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:11:55 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fixed! RE:  proof of registration payment
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0806250507q49d0fe43k6c65aa7c3294b948@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1187007574.25763.29.camel@level.fluendo.lan>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD2464DB309C@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
	<1188255915.30794.4.camel@ana.amantes>
	<1214388564.8512.140.camel@ana.amantes>
	<ff8a32f0806250507q49d0fe43k6c65aa7c3294b948@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD246402DF7007@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>

John Pinner <mailto:funthyme at gmail.com> scribbled on Wednesday, June 25, 2008 2:07 PM:

> Hello Thomas,
> 
> 2008/6/25 Thomas Vander Stichele <thomas at apestaart.org>:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I still haven't received a proof of payment for last year at
>> Europython, which I need to get reimbursed by my company.
> 
> I'm sorry to hear this. Dario is no longer able tp play an active part
> in EP, so I'll chase up your receipt for last year with Laura.

Hello,

Even while I am not active in EP I've taken care of this :-)

I found the emails that he, Laura and I exchanged last year and it was totally my fault that I missed the sending out of the receipt.

Anyway, I was able to boot my homebrew system I used for last year's invoincing and produced a proper receipt for him that I have sent attached as PDF by email.

Sincerely,

/dario

-- 
-- --------------------------------------------------------------------
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phone: +46 31 722 62 29   mob: +46 739 018 229    fax: +46 31 720 81 20
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From lac at openend.se  Wed Jun 25 17:15:41 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:15:41 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Fixed! RE: proof of registration payment
In-Reply-To: Message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dario_Lopez-K=E4sten?=
	<Dario.Lopez-Kasten@jeppesen.com> of "Wed,
	25 Jun 2008 14:11:55 +0200."
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD246402DF7007@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
References: <1187007574.25763.29.camel@level.fluendo.lan>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD2464DB309C@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
	<1188255915.30794.4.camel@ana.amantes>
	<1214388564.8512.140.camel@ana.amantes>
	<ff8a32f0806250507q49d0fe43k6c65aa7c3294b948@mail.gmail.com>
	<04E1C94CF483BA47BA3C34E2A1AD246402DF7007@GOTMAIL1.jeppesensystems.com>
Message-ID: <200806251515.m5PFFf7B010771@theraft.openend.se>

Tack Dario.

Laura


From jackdied at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 19:55:19 2008
From: jackdied at gmail.com (Jack diederich)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 13:55:19 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Language Advice for Speakers?
Message-ID: <b8e622740806281055j33f9d59bm42ac4f1b793401ad@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have good links or tips for language?  The rule for
speakers in general, even when presenting to native speakers, is to
keep it simple.  How much further should I take "keep it simple" for
the EuroPython audience?

The US PyCon has many English as a second language (ESL) speakers but
they are all very fluent. It is a self-selecting group that goes to
the US, after all.  How much of that can I assume for EuroPython?

Maybe a concrete example would help.  In my PyCon talk a couple years
ago the biggest laugh-line was a slide titled "Oh The Huge Manatee."
I'm guessing that is out of bounds.

-Jack

PS, I've listened to 20 hours of "Teach yourself Lithuanian" CDs.  Not
too bad (because it is latinate), and much easier than my last attempt
(Icelandic).

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 20:19:40 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 11:19:40 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Language Advice for Speakers?
In-Reply-To: <b8e622740806281055j33f9d59bm42ac4f1b793401ad@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8e622740806281055j33f9d59bm42ac4f1b793401ad@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0806281119w574d9088t626d1de9a66bc435@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jack --

Having attended EuroPython last year as a USA "English" speaker, I'd
have to say Euros are quite good at English, used as a compromise, but
that native speakers have this nasty habit of speaking as quickly as
possible, especially during lightning talks, which is disrespectful
and/or insensitive and/or unskillful.

I think geeks in general like to rattle off at high speed, part of how
they built a reputation as geeks, a lot of 'em, i.e. "fast talk" is a
tool of the trade, but in an international conference I'd say the
number one rule of thumb would be to *slow down* -- especially if
you're from the UK as I have a hard time understanding those heavy
accents :-D

As a former resident of Manatee County, FL, I confess not
understanding your "Oh the huge Manatee" allusion, though I bet Google
would help me out there, if it's a joke others know.

Also, I wouldn't say "ESL" as that implies "second" whereas POV's
Aist? Kesminait?, a Lithuanian, speaks fluent Polish, German, French
and I forget what else besides English, no idea in what order she
learned them.

It's mainly Americans who are mono-lingual, and so come across as
semi-retarded in Europe, but we compensate in other ways, such as by
being extra loud. ;-D

Here're some blog posts re Vilnius from last year, if you want some
tourism ideas (I recommend the TV tower, which I walked to, but don't
expect to take pictures (no photos allowed from the rotating beer
joint)):

http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/07/europython-hqs.html
http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/glass-ship.html
http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/vilnius.html
http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2007/07/sunday-in-vilnius.html
http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/slow-food-nation.html

You'll note in that last post how I went into culture shock, not
having been outside the US for awhile:  one forgets how we take
obesity for granted in the USA.  I gave up beer for a whole year as a
result, not wanting to be as fat as that guy in the picture (me).

Kirby Urner
Portland, Oregon



On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Jack diederich <jackdied at gmail.com> wrote:
> Does anyone have good links or tips for language?  The rule for
> speakers in general, even when presenting to native speakers, is to
> keep it simple.  How much further should I take "keep it simple" for
> the EuroPython audience?
>
> The US PyCon has many English as a second language (ESL) speakers but
> they are all very fluent. It is a self-selecting group that goes to
> the US, after all.  How much of that can I assume for EuroPython?
>
> Maybe a concrete example would help.  In my PyCon talk a couple years
> ago the biggest laugh-line was a slide titled "Oh The Huge Manatee."
> I'm guessing that is out of bounds.
>
> -Jack
>
> PS, I've listened to 20 hours of "Teach yourself Lithuanian" CDs.  Not
> too bad (because it is latinate), and much easier than my last attempt
> (Icelandic).
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From marius at gedmin.as  Sat Jun 28 22:11:47 2008
From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 23:11:47 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Language Advice for Speakers?
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0806281119w574d9088t626d1de9a66bc435@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b8e622740806281055j33f9d59bm42ac4f1b793401ad@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0806281119w574d9088t626d1de9a66bc435@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080628201147.GB10906@platonas>

On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:19:40AM -0700, kirby urner wrote:
> Having attended EuroPython last year as a USA "English" speaker, I'd
> have to say Euros are quite good at English, used as a compromise, but
> that native speakers have this nasty habit of speaking as quickly as
> possible, especially during lightning talks, which is disrespectful
> and/or insensitive and/or unskillful.
> 
> I think geeks in general like to rattle off at high speed, part of how
> they built a reputation as geeks, a lot of 'em, i.e. "fast talk" is a
> tool of the trade, but in an international conference I'd say the
> number one rule of thumb would be to *slow down* -- especially if
> you're from the UK as I have a hard time understanding those heavy
> accents :-D

Agreed, the first tip is "speak slowly and clearly".  The first two tips
are...  I'll come in again.

I personally believe the high-speed rattling comes from suppressed panic
("if I stop to think that I'm talking to a room full of people, I won't
be able to start again!") rather than a desire to show off.

> As a former resident of Manatee County, FL, I confess not
> understanding your "Oh the huge Manatee" allusion, though I bet Google
> would help me out there, if it's a joke others know.

Google tells me this is a meme of some kind of which I was entirely unaware.

> Also, I wouldn't say "ESL" as that implies "second" whereas POV's
> Aist? Kesminait?, a Lithuanian, speaks fluent Polish, German, French
> and I forget what else besides English, no idea in what order she
> learned them.
> 
> It's mainly Americans who are mono-lingual, and so come across as
> semi-retarded in Europe, but we compensate in other ways, such as by
> being extra loud. ;-D

People from England are also often surprised others can speak more than
one language.  I'm often surprised at their surprise.  Doesn't everyone?
:-)

> Here're some blog posts re Vilnius from last year, if you want some
> tourism ideas (I recommend the TV tower, which I walked to, but don't
> expect to take pictures (no photos allowed from the rotating beer
> joint)):
> 
> http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/07/europython-hqs.html
> http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/glass-ship.html
> http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/vilnius.html
> http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2007/07/sunday-in-vilnius.html
> http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/slow-food-nation.html
> 
> You'll note in that last post how I went into culture shock, not
> having been outside the US for awhile:  one forgets how we take
> obesity for granted in the USA.  I gave up beer for a whole year as a
> result, not wanting to be as fat as that guy in the picture (me).

When I was in Boston I noticed that the servings in all the restaurants
seemed to be about 50% too large for me.

Marius Gedminas
-- 
It's possible to describe anything in mathematical notation. I recall seeing
some paper once in which someone had created a mathematical description of C.
(I forget whether or not this included the preprocessor.) As an achievement,
this is somewhat like building a full-size model of the Eiffel Tower out of
tongue depressors. It's clearly not the act of a talentless man, but you have
to wonder what he said when he applied for his grant.
                -- Mencius Moldbug
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From jackdied at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 23:40:15 2008
From: jackdied at gmail.com (Jack diederich)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:40:15 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Language Advice for Speakers?
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[thanks to Kirby for pointing out I didn't hit the "reply all" button]

2008/6/28 kirby urner <kirby.urner at gmail.com>:
> Hi Jack --
>
> Having attended EuroPython last year as a USA "English" speaker, I'd
> have to say Euros are quite good at English, used as a compromise, but
> that native speakers have this nasty habit of speaking as quickly as
> possible, especially during lightning talks, which is disrespectful
> and/or insensitive and/or unskillful.

Thanks, that does encourage me to put more of the talk on slides
and less of it in spoken word. The opposite of general wisdom.

> I think geeks in general like to rattle off at high speed, part of how
> they built a reputation as geeks, a lot of 'em, i.e. "fast talk" is a
> tool of the trade, but in an international conference I'd say the
> number one rule of thumb would be to *slow down* -- especially if
> you're from the UK as I have a hard time understanding those heavy
> accents :-D

I think "fast talk" is a personal style or cultural thing and isn't related
to geekiness.  To cite two non-native English speakers (and
python geeks) Christian Tismer is mile-a-minute and Alex Martelli never
uses two words when one would do.  The same spread applies to
American speakers: Glyph Lefkowitz will talk you to death
whereas Tim Peters (Buddhist author of "import this") would simply stab
you and walk away.

> As a former resident of Manatee County, FL, I confess not
> understanding your "Oh the huge Manatee" allusion, though I bet Google
> would help me out there, if it's a joke others know.

It is a cliche popular on the internets (fark.com in particular). The slide
was a confusing mash of C and the title translated as "Oh, The Humanity!"

> Also, I wouldn't say "ESL" as that implies "second" whereas POV's
> Aist? Kesminait?, a Lithuanian, speaks fluent Polish, German, French
> and I forget what else besides English, no idea in what order she
> learned them.
>
> It's mainly Americans who are mono-lingual, and so come across as
> semi-retarded in Europe, but we compensate in other ways, such as by
> being extra loud. ;-D

Yes yes, as the joke goes "What do you call someone who speaks three
languages? Trilingual.  What do you call someone who speaks two languages?
bilingual. What do you call someone who speaks one language?  American."

Theoretically I speak four languages but in reality I can just read menus and
signs in a couple foreign ones (it would be three but there aren't any signs
in Latin, that I know of).

> Here're some blog posts re Vilnius from last year, if you want some
> tourism ideas (I recommend the TV tower, which I walked to, but don't
> expect to take pictures (no photos allowed from the rotating beer
> joint)):
>
> http://mybizmo.blogspot.com/2007/07/europython-hqs.html
> http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/glass-ship.html
> http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/vilnius.html
> http://controlroom.blogspot.com/2007/07/sunday-in-vilnius.html
> http://worldgame.blogspot.com/2007/07/slow-food-nation.html

Much appreciated,

-Jack

From tismer at stackless.com  Sun Jun 29 18:31:59 2008
From: tismer at stackless.com (Christian Tismer)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 18:31:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Language Advice for Speakers?
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Jack diederich wrote:
...

> I think "fast talk" is a personal style or cultural thing and isn't related
> to geekiness.  To cite two non-native English speakers (and
> python geeks) Christian Tismer is mile-a-minute and Alex Martelli never
> uses two words when one would do.  The same spread applies to
> American speakers: Glyph Lefkowitz will talk you to death
> whereas Tim Peters (Buddhist author of "import this") would simply stab
> you and walk away.

Mile-a-minute -- does that mean something fast, like that
fast-growing wheat?
While searching for a translation, I stumbled over this one :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJHIACidds0

I never thought to be fast talking. Maybe I do it because I want
to hide that I'm no native speaker. Bad fault. Will try the
opposite at EuroPython, talking so slowly that I wake up from
the audience's snoring :-)

cheers - chris

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From jackdied at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 02:07:47 2008
From: jackdied at gmail.com (Jack diederich)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2008 20:07:47 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Language Advice for Speakers?
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> When I was in Boston I noticed that the servings in all the restaurants
> seemed to be about 50% too large for me.

That is one of the free market side-effects (If you've read the
pop-economics book "freakanomics" you'll know what I mean).    The
cost of a restaurant meal isn't on your plate; it is in the mortgage
for the building, the paid labor, the labor taxes, the property taxes,
the social security taxes, and the city taxes (I live in Boston and
while the city rate is technically zero they get kickbacks from the
state.  It isn't nicknamed "Taxachussetts" for nothing).  So the
amount of food on your plate has nothing to do with the cost of food.
Instead it is a cultural thing: the amount of food is sized big enough
that no one will complain.  Gluttons will clean the plate and go away
happy, and lean people will smile and put down their fork halfway
through - because restaurants will box up the rest in a to-go bag (and
for free!).

So, long story short, it is a cultural difference enhanced by market economics.

-Jack

From magnus at lyckaa.se  Mon Jun 30 14:54:02 2008
From: magnus at lyckaa.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Magnus_Lyck=E5?=)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 15:54:02 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Forgot to bring my registration printout
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I'm already in Lithuania on vacation and forgot to bring
the printout from my registration to the conference. Is it
enough to show up on Monday, and say "Here I am, I've
registered", or should I ask my colleagues at home to
fax the paper over so I can bring it on Monday?

From marius at gedmin.as  Mon Jun 30 18:29:21 2008
From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 19:29:21 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Forgot to bring my registration printout
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On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 03:54:02PM +0300, Magnus Lyck? wrote:
> I'm already in Lithuania on vacation and forgot to bring
> the printout from my registration to the conference. Is it
> enough to show up on Monday, and say "Here I am, I've
> registered", or should I ask my colleagues at home to
> fax the paper over so I can bring it on Monday?

Last year the organisers had a list of people who hadn't paid (and a
separate box for their badges).  I'm sure showing up without a piece of
paper won't be a problem.

Marius Gedminas
-- 
Five words to strike fear into the heart of any software developer: 'How long
will it take?'
		-- Sean McGrath
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