From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Wed Jul  1 00:45:56 2009
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:45:56 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote recordings
In-Reply-To: <A95006CB-B174-40C0-BEE2-9F6882822D5E@gmail.com>
References: <6B4C380C-3D0A-4515-806A-E9EA94CE96E9@bcu.ac.uk>
	<ff8a32f0906301422sf70ec16p26e8bba4ac1875cd@mail.gmail.com>
	<A95006CB-B174-40C0-BEE2-9F6882822D5E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3e4e51a80906301545m677c2d42u831c178e0f783345@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm the "Audio Guy" and yes, I am confident we have a recording of
Cory's talk. Check back at the end of the conference, there will be a
wiki page with as many as we can get. Also keep an eye on the mailing
list.

Ciar?n

From funthyme at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 00:56:38 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:56:38 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gallery
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0906301556g529e894boa0b7147bc09f3ba8@mail.gmail.com>

Now up at http://europython.eu/gallery/ linked to from europython.eu home
page.

Thanks to Steve Hawkes.

Upload your pix, best photograph capturing the spirit of EuroPython 2009
wins a prize.

John
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From steve at hawkz.com  Wed Jul  1 01:18:12 2009
From: steve at hawkz.com (Stephen Hawkes)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:18:12 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gallery
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0906301556g529e894boa0b7147bc09f3ba8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0906301556g529e894boa0b7147bc09f3ba8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1544b226fb71aafa8343848c4bac9da7@127.0.0.1>

Hi,

Only possible with lots of help Alex from team Hawkz. Although I have to
say we've followed Simon Willison's 'launch-it-now-panic-later' Django
approach ;)

Shout if you spot a bug..

--

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number 06201206.

From stef.mientki at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 14:05:50 2009
From: stef.mientki at gmail.com (Stef Mientki)
Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:05:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Computer Simulations
In-Reply-To: <a422b72d0906301106j26a5ddecyd7fefc4d65451b01@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a422b72d0906300815s7f009996mf055b60f5036640a@mail.gmail.com>	<9faf42330906300921rf3e406dl10f2a5cff4b94cbc@mail.gmail.com>
	<a422b72d0906301106j26a5ddecyd7fefc4d65451b01@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A4B511E.7040406@gmail.com>

cool-RR wrote:
> We're gonna have an open space discussion. I wrote it on the board for 
> 15:30, July 1st.
>  
> Niko: The site http://garlicsim.com <http://garlicsim.com/> just 
> redirects to the GitHub page. It seems to be working now.
looks like a very cool project,
so I just downloaded, ran it on different machines, but unfortunately
winXP + P2.5 : "inf" not definied
fedora 11 + P2.6 : pictures not found
I would love to see a movie or animation of the project.
(as I'm involved in something similar: 
http://mientki.ruhosting.nl/data_www/pylab_works/pw_animations_screenshots.html)

cheers and have fun,
Stef Mientki
>
>  
> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Niko Wilbert <mail at nikowilbert.de 
> <mailto:mail at nikowilbert.de>> wrote:
>
>     I am very interested in this. Actually I just said in my talk how I
>     miss such a system :-)
>     The GarlicSim webpage seems to be currently down, I would really like
>     to learn more about it.
>
>     Cheers,
>     Niko Wilbert
>
>
>
>     On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM, cool-RR<cool-rr at cool-rr.com
>     <mailto:cool-rr at cool-rr.com>> wrote:
>     > Are there any people here who have an interest in any kind of
>     computer
>     > simulations? If so, I am interested in showing you my project,
>     GarlicSim,
>     > which is a platform for writing, running and analyzing simulations.
>     > (Simulations of any kind: Physics, or economics, or game theory, or
>     > whatever.)
>     > I'm not sure whether I will do a lightning talk on my project,
>     so in any
>     > case I'd like to meet you and show it to you, in the hopes that
>     you would
>     > want to use it for your simulations, and/or want to participate
>     in its
>     > development.
>     >
>     > So if anyone is interested, give me a mail.
>     >
>     > Ram Rachum.
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > EuroPython mailing list
>     > EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>
>     > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>     >
>     >
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Sincerely,
> Ram Rachum
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>   


From chef at ghum.de  Wed Jul  1 12:13:50 2009
From: chef at ghum.de (Massa, Harald Armin)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:13:50 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] actual list of submitted lightning talks
Message-ID: <e3e180dc0907010313m1de03864x3468808d00ef0b47@mail.gmail.com>

is available at

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rdo-GNxgaN0eYhsUHUq6vsA&output=html

best wishes,

Harald

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From sparks.m at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 08:48:20 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:48:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote recordings
In-Reply-To: <6B4C380C-3D0A-4515-806A-E9EA94CE96E9@bcu.ac.uk>
References: <6B4C380C-3D0A-4515-806A-E9EA94CE96E9@bcu.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <20e5c9660906302348hab61f0eiea6ba3c290dd78b0@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Jamie Bullock<james.bullock at bcu.ac.uk> wrote:
> Do you know if the keynotes are being recorded (audio or video) and if they
> will be made available at all? I'm particularly interested in the Cory
> Doctorow one which I missed today.

I'm doing videos of the talks I'm in, so Cory's keynote was recorded,
and the other
keynotes will be too. The videos will start being available either
just before the end
of the conference or just after.

Regards,


Michael
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http://twitter.com/kamaelian
http://www.kamaelia.org/Home

From russel.winder at concertant.com  Thu Jul  2 09:11:11 2009
From: russel.winder at concertant.com (Russel Winder)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:11:11 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Collaborating on Pythyonic parallelism
Message-ID: <1246518671.5649.16.camel@launcelot.russel.org.uk>

After my session on Tuesday and my comments in David Jones' session
yesterday some people have come up to me to indicate that there is a
feeling that a collaborative effort to extend and improve Python's
support for parallelism would be a good thing.

There are already a couple of libraries presenting CSP, a package or two
doing Actor model and one or two addressing dataflow.  Add to this the
multiprocessing package already in Python, and Parallel Python.  And, of
course, SciPy and NumPy.

I have basically agreed with people to see if an effort can be made to
really drive this on so that Python is front and centre and not left
behind in the brave new world of endemic parallelism.

If you want to get involved please either catch me today at EuroPython
and give me a card or piece of paper with your contact details, or email
me.

Thanks.

-- 
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From gregor.lingl at aon.at  Thu Jul  2 09:37:35 2009
From: gregor.lingl at aon.at (Gregor Lingl)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 09:37:35 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] turtle module - mailbox problem
Message-ID: <4A4C63BF.8040006@aon.at>

Hi,

At the end of my talk on the turtle module yesterday I asked those
interested in communicating about the turtle module to send me an
email to glingl at aon.at.

Unfortunately just at that time my email box turned out
to be full - so you probably got a "quota exceeded"
error. Embarassing! I've fixed this now.

So you can send emails again to the address above or
to my other email-address just by replying to this posting.

Thanks, sorry for the inconvenience,

Gregor

From cdent at peermore.com  Thu Jul  2 10:58:28 2009
From: cdent at peermore.com (Chris Dent)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:58:28 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Additional TiddlyWeb Information
Message-ID: <728EA215-A4D2-4E0A-8C31-3A71EA388CF6@peermore.com>


Sorry for the spam but: I've been told that my lack of slides in  
yesterday's lightning talk for TiddlyWeb meant I failed to deliver its  
unique selling point or secret sauce so it's been suggested that I  
point to the slides:

     http://tws5.peermore.com/wiki/recipes/do/tiddlers.s5

Those are the slides I was going to show. There are additional (very  
rough draft) slides at:

     http://tws5.peermore.com/wiki/

which cover some of the history, philosophy and technical details of  
the system.

Those slides are delivered from TiddlyWeb using the selling point,  
which are something called recipes which dynamically select stuff.

Please don't respond to this list if you have questions about all this  
stuff, contact me directly or go to the tiddlyweb google group.

Thanks.

From marius at gedmin.as  Thu Jul  2 11:14:05 2009
From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:14:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Sprint venue
Message-ID: <20090702091405.GA24081@platonas>

http://wiki.europython.eu/Sprints currently says this about the sprint
venue:

  "After the Conference, Friday 3rd July for two days, at the CBSO
  Centre, Berkley Street - 7 minutes walk from the Conservatoire and 3
  minutes from the Premier Inn. "

I've heard rumours that the plans have changed and the sprints were
moved to the Conservatoire (since the Internet connection at CBSO is too
puny or something like that).

Can somebody confirm and update the sprint page?  (I tried to do that,
got a "bad TextCha, tried to login with a username/password from some
previous year, was rejected, gave up.)

Marius Gedminas
-- 
If you are angry with someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes... then
you'll be a mile away from them, and you'll have their shoes.
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From fsm at spikelab.org  Thu Jul  2 14:36:46 2009
From: fsm at spikelab.org (Spike)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:36:46 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Kamaelia Open Space?
In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660906301306o7cec3be8sd8b05f557d5a9bf8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20e5c9660906301306o7cec3be8sd8b05f557d5a9bf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090702123646.GA18682@fatdrop.co.uk>

Heya,

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:06:52PM +0100, Michael Sparks wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I've had a few people mention that wished they'd been able to make the
> tutorial on sunday, but weren't arriving until later, and want to
> gauge if there's interest from anyone in attending an open space
> session on kamaelia, cherry picking parts of the tutorial?
> Walkthrough, discussion or people interested in cannibalising it for
> other stuff ? (Not the full tutorial obviously, though, that'd be
> crazy :-)
> 
> If there is any, I'll put a session up.

there's a lot here. 


thanks

Spike

--
"Behind a great man there's always a great backpack" - B.

From lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl  Thu Jul  2 15:20:39 2009
From: lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Langa?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:20:39 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gallery
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0906301556g529e894boa0b7147bc09f3ba8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0906301556g529e894boa0b7147bc09f3ba8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9A7BC84-8D0D-4834-A04D-BC3791C7E5A3@stxnext.pl>


Wiadomo?? napisana w dniu 2009-06-30, o godz. 23:56, przez John  
Pinner:

> Upload your pix, best photograph capturing the spirit of EuroPython  
> 2009 wins a prize.
>


How do you determine the author? :>

-- 
Best regards,
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Senior Developer



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From cs at comlounge.net  Thu Jul  2 15:47:18 2009
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 14:47:18 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gallery
In-Reply-To: <E9A7BC84-8D0D-4834-A04D-BC3791C7E5A3@stxnext.pl>
References: <ff8a32f0906301556g529e894boa0b7147bc09f3ba8@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9A7BC84-8D0D-4834-A04D-BC3791C7E5A3@stxnext.pl>
Message-ID: <4A4CBA66.5060500@comlounge.net>

?ukasz Langa wrote:
> 
> Wiadomo?? napisana w dniu 2009-06-30, o godz. 23:56, przez John Pinner:
> 
>> Upload your pix, best photograph capturing the spirit of EuroPython
>> 2009 wins a prize.

May I also remind people not to forget to upload their photos on flickr
and/or facebook (or any other additional site). This is where the world
will see them and they help to publicize Python and it's community.

There are only 107 photos on flickr tagged with europython from this
event. You surely can do better? :-)

There are also only 5 slideshows right now on slideshare (this is again
where more people will see them, even if accidently). Please upload them
there to share them with the world (and e.g. RobotFramework already got
more then 340 views there).

You later will also be able to add the recorded audio to make it a
narrated slideshow, might be the next best thing after video.

So please help to spread the word!

-- Christian

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From marius at gedmin.as  Thu Jul  2 16:22:48 2009
From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:22:48 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Making the sllides available
Message-ID: <20090702142248.GA27901@platonas>

John keeps saying that this is a community conference and if we're
missing something, it's because we haven't done it.

What do I need to do to make talk slides downloadable from the conference
timetable page?

Marius Gedminas
-- 
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From marius at gedmin.as  Thu Jul  2 16:29:50 2009
From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:29:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Sprint venue
In-Reply-To: <20090702091405.GA24081@platonas>
References: <20090702091405.GA24081@platonas>
Message-ID: <20090702142950.GA28026@platonas>

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 10:14:05AM +0100, Marius Gedminas wrote:
> http://wiki.europython.eu/Sprints currently says this about the sprint
> venue:
> 
>   "After the Conference, Friday 3rd July for two days, at the CBSO
>   Centre, Berkley Street - 7 minutes walk from the Conservatoire and 3
>   minutes from the Premier Inn. "
> 
> I've heard rumours that the plans have changed and the sprints were
> moved to the Conservatoire (since the Internet connection at CBSO is too
> puny or something like that).
> 
> Can somebody confirm and update the sprint page?  (I tried to do that,
> got a "bad TextCha, tried to login with a username/password from some
> previous year, was rejected, gave up.)

Laura Creighton and Alex Willmer both confirmed the information and I
updated the wiki page (after re-creating a wiki account and noticing the
well-hidden text captcha on the edit pages).

Marius Gedminas
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From ralph.heinkel at web.de  Thu Jul  2 16:35:12 2009
From: ralph.heinkel at web.de (Ralph Heinkel)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 16:35:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Help need with little c++/swig problem
Message-ID: <4A4CC5A0.9080602@web.de>

Hi there,

is there anybody around today/tomorrow with a little bit more insight 
into swig than I have?

I have an abstract c++ class, wrapped into swig. I get an subclass of 
it in python, make an instance of it, and pass it to another c++ 
function (also wrapped in swig) which accepts instances of the 
abstract original c++ class as an argument. But here swig barfs at it. 
I have a little example with me, some 20 lines of code. If anybody 
could help me with this this would be great.

Thanks,

Ralph

From chambon.pascal at gmail.com  Thu Jul  2 17:44:52 2009
From: chambon.pascal at gmail.com (Pascal Chambon)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:44:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Help need with little c++/swig problem
In-Reply-To: <4A4CC5A0.9080602@web.de>
References: <4A4CC5A0.9080602@web.de>
Message-ID: <4A4CD5F4.5010604@gmail.com>

It sounds to me like a problem with C++->python polymorphism, i.e you 
need to use Swig's "director" feature.
I'm available this evening and tomorrow, if help needed ; shall we meet 
in the open-spacfe (band room) after teh clusing of teh conference ?

++
Pascal

Ralph Heinkel a ?crit :
> Hi there,
>
> is there anybody around today/tomorrow with a little bit more insight 
> into swig than I have?
>
> I have an abstract c++ class, wrapped into swig. I get an subclass of 
> it in python, make an instance of it, and pass it to another c++ 
> function (also wrapped in swig) which accepts instances of the 
> abstract original c++ class as an argument. But here swig barfs at it. 
> I have a little example with me, some 20 lines of code. If anybody 
> could help me with this this would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ralph
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>


From luke.leighton at googlemail.com  Thu Jul  2 18:28:19 2009
From: luke.leighton at googlemail.com (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:19 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] pyjamas-desktop now working with hulahop (XUL / gecko)
Message-ID: <ced5f0f60907020928w116b6739tee9aee6e1041b4b9@mail.gmail.com>

folks, hi,
as promised i've managed to get pyjamas-desktop to work with
python-hulahop as well as pywebkitgtk.  the reasons for this are quite
simple: apple's intransigence over accepting the glib/gobject bindings
to webkit are holding everything up.  now, you can do "apt-get install
hulahop python-xpcom" and go.
i have to add support for XMLHttpRequest event listeners (AJAX) and
then i reckon it's pretty much done.  i was very surprised at how
quickly it was possible to port to XULrunner.
if anyone would like to try running the examples or their application
as a desktop app then you simply install python-xpcom and hulahop, and
then do ../../bin/pyjdrun <myapp>.html and that's it, it should start
as a pure python application (not a javascript app in the browser).
any issues come and get me, i'm down in the open area near the musical
instruments in the cabinets (the area where wireless doesn't work) or
just round the corner from there, in the corridor.
l.

From orestis at orestis.gr  Thu Jul  2 19:18:15 2009
From: orestis at orestis.gr (Orestis Markou)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:18:15 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Pub tonight?
Message-ID: <8156B3C1-E4F8-4D95-98A1-732F6734D928@orestis.gr>

I'm wondering if people who will stay around fo the sprints have any  
plans for drinks/food/hacking tonight?

Orestis
--
orestis.gr

From Achim.Domma at syynx.de  Thu Jul  2 19:15:15 2009
From: Achim.Domma at syynx.de (Domma, Achim)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:15:15 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] Bletchley Park
Message-ID: <71D1E56DE414B5448EA89A6FA52FF9DCAC69DFCD@syynx83.collexis.local>

Hi,

as we stay at Birmingham until Sunday morning, we will have a trip to Bletchley Park tomorrow. Anybody interested in joining us?

cheers,
Achim

From fiona at myrmidonprocess.com  Fri Jul  3 00:26:06 2009
From: fiona at myrmidonprocess.com (Fiona Burrows)
Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:26:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Information about my pygame-fenix library.
Message-ID: <4A4D33FE.1010701@myrmidonprocess.com>

Hey all,

I gave a lightning talk about my game library called pygame-fenix. 
However I neglected to tell people how to get to it. (do'h)
A few people had approached me asking where they could find it. So since 
I'm not at the sprints this weekend I'll leave info here for anyone else 
who didn't get chance to ask me.

The project does not have an official website (yet) and purely exists as 
a repository on github at this time. There are a few basic examples and 
a short explanation. The library itself has sporadic docstrings and I 
plan on having a sprint of myself in the near future to fix this 
situation as it did seem that I'm not ethe only one who may have a use 
for it.

The repository lives at http://www.github.com/Fiona/pygame-fenix/

If anyone wants to contact me anymore about it then feel free to e-mail 
me so as to not clog this list.

Fiona

(By the way I am completely aware that this is going well over my 
allotted 5 minutes - but I'm a born rebel!)

From alan at xhaus.com  Fri Jul  3 02:10:42 2009
From: alan at xhaus.com (Alan Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:10:42 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Underpass warning.
Message-ID: <4a951aa00907021710h5db4979fk24ad1b8cec9b3338@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm staying at the Etap hotel, and have walked through the underpass
(i.e. tunnel under the road) in front of the hotel each evening on the
way home from the Europython venue.

This evening, about 10 minutes after I arrived back at the hotel, some
poor man was assaulted in the same underpass as I had just walked
through 10 mins previously. He was on his way home from a club (not
Europython), and five "yoofs" attacked him, punched him in the face,
and broke a bottle over his head. I heard this from the one of the
people at the Etap, who was explaining to us why an ambulance had
turned up at the hotel.

The advice he gave was "Do NOT walk through the underpasses after 7pm,
it's just not safe. After 7pm, stay overground: there's better
visibility and monitoring".

I thought it was important to relay this advice to ye all: don't walk
through the underpasses alone: if you must use them, do so in groups.

Regards,

Alan.

From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Fri Jul  3 11:47:54 2009
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:47:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Making the sllides available
In-Reply-To: <20090702142248.GA27901@platonas>
References: <20090702142248.GA27901@platonas>
Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907030247x3116cd5ctc4292e20e674b2fb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

> What do I need to do to make talk slides downloadable from the conference
> timetable page?

For a start you could upload your talk to the wiki, with a sensible name.

http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials

Then you are best contacting Zeth as he seems to be the "web guy"
usually. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

The next alternative is to create a wiki table on the wiki, with
internal links to the slides already uploaded.

Ciar?n

From drj at pobox.com  Fri Jul  3 12:39:10 2009
From: drj at pobox.com (David Jones)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:39:10 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tony Hoare's slides
Message-ID: <946bff870907030339y615a6f7em561cddfccb48abcb@mail.gmail.com>

I know these appeared on a stick in the hands on a conference
organiser at some point, is it possible to put those slides on the
wiki please?

Great conference, good work all round.

Cheers,
 drj

From sparks.m at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 13:02:47 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:02:47 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Videos of talks now being transcoded
Message-ID: <20e5c9660907030402u4360e4b5tb1057ddcce9aeb29@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


Just a note for those interested, I've set my transcoding stuff off,
and will be putting them up as soon as that's done - from the view of
release early, release often. Or as r0ml Lefkowitz puts it "get the
crap out there, and then refine" :-)

My estimation is that it will take a day or 2 (solid) to transcode the
whole lot. (looking at the rate of transcode)

This means it'll be uneditted, etc. The talks & tutorials I've got as
videos are as follows:

    Be Afraid
    Bletchley Park Keynote
    Bruce Eckel Keynote
    Collaborations In Healthcare
    Cory Doctorow Keynote
    Distributed Version Control Systems
    Django "not cows doing space travel"
    Django widget for large selections
    Europython - Guido
    Europython Kamaelia Tutorial
    Europython test
    Europython Welcome
    Euro Sci Py
    Filterpype (session)
    Filterpype (lightning talk)
    gSculpt 3d modeller
    Guido keynote nearly
    Hack like an evil overlord
    Help tiddly web unintentional web data store
    Internet surveillance and censorship
    Jacob Hallen political activism
    Making money with python
    Nagare Web Framework
    Not crashing a car
    Psyco v2 lightning talk
    PyCharm intellij plugin
    Pygtk tutorial
    Pytest tutorial
    Python and Excel
    Python and Java
    Python and Nuke
    Python app at CWI
    Python as a platform for teaching maths
    Python Community Germany
    Python for numerical science
    Python system information
    QCake 3d game maker and python
    Reducing database load by fifty percent
    Reimplementating the google app engine
    RJDJ realitymorph
    Self Services Terminals
    Steve Holden After Dinner Talk (v shakeycam, probably just use the audio)
    Steve Holden PSF and Us Keynote
    The Cloud in Five
    Tony Hoare Keynote
    TPS reports in django
    Turbo Gears meets cubic web
    Turtles in cairo
    Twotp Twisted OTP Erlang from python
    Using python to make 50 million per year
    Visualising egg dependencies
    Windmill testing
    Writing games pygame-fenix
    Writing usb drivers using python
    Xapian

They're originally captured at 720p30 for those curious, at a rate of
4GB per 54-57 minutes.

Tools used for this are, for those interested in doing it themselves:
    * A small HD camcorder that records to SD cards, borrowed from BBC
Backstage. (Ian F and I share an office) (Model for the curious: Sanyo
XACTI, VPC-HD 1000EX BK)
    * My laptop (couple of years old)
    * External 500GB HD
    * 3x 4GB SD Cards, which needed switching often (many of the talks above
       are in multiple files)
    * 4way gang socket (to keep everything powered)
    * A second hand tripod.
    * I *didn't* use the microphone I had with me due to a horrible
hum it introduced.

Aside from the camera, everything else is just personal stuff, so if
you're wondering "can I do this?", you probably can, especially given
it's all consumer rather than pro kit. (Also, I was on foot/public
transport - never learnt to drive, so if you're wondering "Can I carry
all that stuff around", the answer is certainly yes. Help from anyone
would be appreciated though next time)

Regarding Steve Holden's after dinner talk, I will probably ditch the
video part of that and leave it as just audio, simply because the
video is _so_ shakey. (I left the tripod behind)

Anyway, talks will start going up as soon as they're transcoded. Once
there's more than a handful there, I'll post a link, and there'll be a
link here as well:

Would love to be at the sprints, but I'm back at work...

Anyway, just thought an update might be appreciated :-)


Michael

From r.taylor at bcs.org.uk  Fri Jul  3 14:17:03 2009
From: r.taylor at bcs.org.uk (Richard Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:17:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tell us about your blog.
Message-ID: <4d176b4c0907030517k3f370204td2be4b57c8d8e402@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

If you are blogging about EuroPython 2009 please add a link on
http://wiki.europython.eu/After

Thanks

Richard
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 14:13:54 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:13:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tony Hoare's slides
In-Reply-To: <946bff870907030339y615a6f7em561cddfccb48abcb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <946bff870907030339y615a6f7em561cddfccb48abcb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0907030513p516bc5efx3ef72cb4b0124dbc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

2009/7/3 David Jones <drj at pobox.com>

> I know these appeared on a stick in the hands on a conference
> organiser at some point, is it possible to put those slides on the
> wiki please?
>

The slides should be on the DVD, maybe you could put them on the wiki if you
have the disk and no one else has done it yet?

>
> Great conference, good work all round.
>

Thanks, and thanks for all your contributions.

John
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From r.taylor at bcs.org.uk  Fri Jul  3 14:19:02 2009
From: r.taylor at bcs.org.uk (Richard Taylor)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:19:02 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Don't forget your photographs
Message-ID: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

And don't forget to upload your photographs to
http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/

Thanks

Richard
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From drj at pobox.com  Fri Jul  3 15:19:23 2009
From: drj at pobox.com (David Jones)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:19:23 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Tony Hoare's slides
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0907030513p516bc5efx3ef72cb4b0124dbc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <946bff870907030339y615a6f7em561cddfccb48abcb@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0907030513p516bc5efx3ef72cb4b0124dbc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <946bff870907030619m3f4861f7pafdf9b3e9d377c34@mail.gmail.com>

2009/7/3 John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
> Hi,
>
> 2009/7/3 David Jones <drj at pobox.com>
>>
>> I know these appeared on a stick in the hands on a conference
>> organiser at some point, is it possible to put those slides on the
>> wiki please?
>
> The slides should be on the DVD, maybe you could put them on the wiki if you
> have the disk and no one else has done it yet?

Ah.  What a clueless noob I am.  Didn't think of looking on the DVD.

Have uploaded Tony Hoare's powerpoint to the wiki now.

Cheers,
 drj

From holger at merlinux.eu  Fri Jul  3 16:19:10 2009
From: holger at merlinux.eu (holger krekel)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:19:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] electronic music in birmingham?
Message-ID: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net>

Hi, 

i'd like to go with a few people tonight (friday) 
to a dancing / club place.  Does anyone have an idea 
on possible places?  Or how to find them? 

current meeting point is 9pm at the Wellington 
(the "real ale" place). 

thanks,
holger

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From holger at merlinux.eu  Fri Jul  3 17:20:06 2009
From: holger at merlinux.eu (holger krekel)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:20:06 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] electronic music in birmingham?
In-Reply-To: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net>
References: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net>
Message-ID: <20090703152006.GH7437@trillke.net>

On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 16:19 +0200, holger krekel wrote:
> i'd like to go with a few people tonight (friday) 
> to a dancing / club place.  Does anyone have an idea 
> on possible places?  Or how to find them? 
> 
> current meeting point is 9pm at the Wellington 
> (the "real ale" place). 

FYI so far i think there is 

http://www.woib.co.uk/event.php?eventid=10006960&dateid=8401489
http://www.woib.co.uk/event.php?eventid=10006872&dateid=8401279

that i find interesting.  

holger
 
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From michael.brunton-spall at guardian.co.uk  Fri Jul  3 17:22:21 2009
From: michael.brunton-spall at guardian.co.uk (Michael Brunton-Spall)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:22:21 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Bletchley Park
In-Reply-To: <71D1E56DE414B5448EA89A6FA52FF9DCAC69DFCD@syynx83.collexis.local>
References: <71D1E56DE414B5448EA89A6FA52FF9DCAC69DFCD@syynx83.collexis.local>
Message-ID: <a9d1bce10907030822q1102a9a5u273c2b68a3e7d6ad@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

It's worth pointing out for those of you who are still in the UK in a
few weeks, that on upcoming there is a Big Geek Day Out at Bletchley
Park. (http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2912229/)
A chance to go visit Bletchley park and meet up with some various
other geeks in a totally unorganised way.

Michael Brunton-Spall
guardian.co.uk

2009/7/2 Domma, Achim <Achim.Domma at syynx.de>:
> Hi,
>
> as we stay at Birmingham until Sunday morning, we will have a trip to Bletchley Park tomorrow. Anybody interested in joining us?
>
> cheers,
> Achim
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From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com  Fri Jul  3 22:07:30 2009
From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 22:07:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] electronic music in birmingham?
In-Reply-To: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net>
References: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net>
Message-ID: <94cd06880907031307kae781a9ic568769824003d5f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Holger,
On Wednesday we went to Rococo @ Broad St. . It's not playing electronic
music but had nice atmosphere, nice people dancing and having fun, nice
girls ( if my wife is reading... honey, i really didn't want to go!! But the
guys forced me and it was really boring! *LOL* ). Music range was more or
less from R&B and HipHop to Dance Bits ( some Old M.Jackson songs and and
some house music too... )..  wich is a little bit far from electronic but in
case you don't find anything else..
Anyway, hope u guys have fun tonight!

cheers

Fabio


2009/7/3 holger krekel <holger at merlinux.eu>

> Hi,
>
> i'd like to go with a few people tonight (friday)
> to a dancing / club place.  Does anyone have an idea
> on possible places?  Or how to find them?
>
> current meeting point is 9pm at the Wellington
> (the "real ale" place).
>
> thanks,
> holger
>
> --
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> Python, PyPy, pytest contracting: http://merlinux.eu
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From kitblake at infrae.com  Sat Jul  4 10:01:33 2009
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:01:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks for a great EuroPython 2009
Message-ID: <A168C965-19EA-4A7A-813E-520ED5972849@infrae.com>

To all the organizers,
Thanks for your dedicated and tireless toil. You produced a great  
conference!

Kit et al from Infrae

-- 
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From greatred at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 10:16:24 2009
From: greatred at gmail.com (John Beisley)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:16:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks for a great EuroPython 2009
In-Reply-To: <A168C965-19EA-4A7A-813E-520ED5972849@infrae.com>
References: <A168C965-19EA-4A7A-813E-520ED5972849@infrae.com>
Message-ID: <8781a3d50907040116v535a276fl580ab573857bd250@mail.gmail.com>

Seconded, well done on a smoothly run conference. I can't begin to
imagine how much invisible work must go on behind the scenes that we
don't see or appreciate!

- John

2009/7/4 Kit BLAKE <kitblake at infrae.com>:
> To all the organizers,
> Thanks for your dedicated and tireless toil. You produced a great
> conference!
>
> Kit et al from Infrae
>
> --
> Kit BLAKE ? Infrae ? http://infrae.com/ + 31 10 243 7051
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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From luke.leighton at googlemail.com  Sat Jul  4 16:59:20 2009
From: luke.leighton at googlemail.com (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:59:20 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] help requested with mozilla dev team: pyjamas-desktop
	(python-xpcom) blocked by JS advocates
Message-ID: <ced5f0f60907040759t131bf3bay8d189688a0e0133@mail.gmail.com>

folks, hi, at the europython sprint, i made this patch to 2D Canvas in
xulrunner today:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502234

the background is that this is the last piece of the puzzle so that
pyjamas-desktop's examples can all work, properly.  the last piece is
getting SVG 2D Canvas to be accessible so that you can use python to
write SVG 2D Canvas desktop applications.

basically, i encountered an issue - a design flaw - in the python
bindings (with optional arguments).  the flaw - the assumption - is
that the functions will always be called from javascript, and so the
function call arguments (which can in javascript be of arbitrary
length) are all accessible inside XUL.

by patching XUL, i've made it possible for python-xpcom to gain access
to the three most popular (and necessary) arguments of drawImage.

already as you can see, one of the mozilla developers has made it
clear that he believes that, although the patch may be necessary for
pyjamas-desktop and necessary for all python-xpcom applications, they
just don't care: Javascript is all that they care about.

this would be a bad precedent to let the mozilla developers get away
with such arbitrary decision-making, which, taken at face value,
basically turns mozilla into a closed proprietary platform.

please therefore can i ask people to register on bugzilla.mozilla.org
and voice their concerns on the bugreport in some way, so that the
python-xpcom technology not be left out, here, by arbitrary and
"closed shop" decision making.

if you do not voice your concerns, and the patch is not accepted, then
you will need to patch xulrunner yourselves in order to utilise python
bindings to SVG 2D Canvas, which, i am sure, you would find much more
burdensome than just being able to install pre-compiled packages as
provided direct from the mozilla dev team.

many thanks,

l.

From tobixen at gmail.com  Sat Jul  4 21:28:31 2009
From: tobixen at gmail.com (Tobias Brox)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:28:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Museum trip Sunday
Message-ID: <ef2af3100907041228j2f03a0acscdc2846e22e75e67@mail.gmail.com>

For those of you still hanging around in Birmingham, czarny is sort of
trying to coordinate a museum trip tomorrow.  Meet up around 11:10
outside "gas hall" (somewhere on Chamberlain Square / Eden, close to
the conference venue).  See also http://wiki.europython2009.eu/Socials

From adewale at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 10:34:44 2009
From: adewale at gmail.com (Adewale Oshineye)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:34:44 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Don't forget your photographs
In-Reply-To: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3509dd160907050134p660349d5p19e67b6de992eb4d@mail.gmail.com>

There is also a EuroPython group on Flickr:
http://www.flickr.com/groups/europython/

2009/7/3 Richard Taylor <r.taylor at bcs.org.uk>:
> Hi
>
> And don't forget to upload your photographs to
> http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>

From tobixen at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 10:58:45 2009
From: tobixen at gmail.com (Tobias Brox)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:58:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] First aid?
In-Reply-To: <4A45F2B5.2070002@linux.com>
References: <4A452C50.5020901@btopenworld.com> <4A45F2B5.2070002@linux.com>
Message-ID: <ef2af3100907050158k60f7e5d4i2d7adc5992f3e321@mail.gmail.com>

> I think the major risk here is
> going to be alcohol poisoning rather than an accident at the university
> itself! In the event of an accident, it falls upon the "Disaster
> Management" team, which Zeth and I have volunteered for, to handle it,
> whether it be a projector dying on us to someone falling over and
> breaking their leg (I really hope that doesn't happen)!

So what are the stats?  How many broken legs and how many serious
cases of alcohol poisoning did we end up with?

From lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl  Sun Jul  5 11:44:06 2009
From: lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Langa?=)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:44:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] First aid?
In-Reply-To: <ef2af3100907050158k60f7e5d4i2d7adc5992f3e321@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A452C50.5020901@btopenworld.com> <4A45F2B5.2070002@linux.com>
	<ef2af3100907050158k60f7e5d4i2d7adc5992f3e321@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D2E359AB-4171-4097-A669-F4A969092CAE@stxnext.pl>


Tobias Brox wrote:

> how many serious
> cases of alcohol poisoning did we end up with?

We don't remember.

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Senior Developer



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From gregor.lingl at aon.at  Mon Jul  6 08:34:39 2009
From: gregor.lingl at aon.at (Gregor Lingl)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 08:34:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Don't forget your photographs
In-Reply-To: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A519AFF.5040609@aon.at>



Richard Taylor schrieb:
> Hi
>
> And don't forget to upload your photographs to 
> http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/
Done! (109 photos)

Best regards,
Gregor
>
> Thanks
>
> Richard
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com  Mon Jul  6 11:16:50 2009
From: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com (Alex Kavanagh)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:16:50 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
Message-ID: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>

Hi

I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a 
medium it is remarkably small!  I think it may be a female medium t-shirt.

Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts left, 
send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt?

Cheers
Alex.

-- 
Alex Kavanagh



From fiona at myrmidonprocess.com  Mon Jul  6 13:51:19 2009
From: fiona at myrmidonprocess.com (Fiona Burrows)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:51:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
In-Reply-To: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
Message-ID: <4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com>

Alex Kavanagh wrote:
> Hi
>
> I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a 
> medium it is remarkably small!  I think it may be a female medium 
> t-shirt.
>
> Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts 
> left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt?
>
> Cheers
> Alex.
>
Whoops, I replied to this off list by accident.

For everyone elses benefit:

YES

I have a male t-shirt and it's too big for me - I could not get a female 
t-shirt in the end because they had gone.

E-mail me off list and I'd be happy to swap!

From tobixen at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 13:58:16 2009
From: tobixen at gmail.com (Tobias Brox)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:58:16 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
In-Reply-To: <4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com>
References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
	<4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com>
Message-ID: <ef2af3100907060458g7f7204d6rb7338aaf3f5c2487@mail.gmail.com>

I'm partly to blame for this situation - the ladies shirts got mixed
up with the mens shirts, and we only discovered this when most of the
shirts had been distributed.

From aiste at pov.lt  Mon Jul  6 14:01:15 2009
From: aiste at pov.lt (=?UTF-8?B?QWlzdMSXIEtlc21pbmFpdMSX?=)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:01:15 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
In-Reply-To: <ef2af3100907060458g7f7204d6rb7338aaf3f5c2487@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
	<4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com>
	<ef2af3100907060458g7f7204d6rb7338aaf3f5c2487@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d1f92950907060501q3930fa50p954c00b688778fa3@mail.gmail.com>

I've never received mine at all, as I did not want a male one -- too big for
me....

2009/7/6 Tobias Brox <tobixen at gmail.com>

> I'm partly to blame for this situation - the ladies shirts got mixed
> up with the mens shirts, and we only discovered this when most of the
> shirts had been distributed.
> _______________________________________________
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> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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From bigfishinnet at googlemail.com  Mon Jul  6 14:35:55 2009
From: bigfishinnet at googlemail.com (Stephen Welch)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:35:55 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
In-Reply-To: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
Message-ID: <4A51EFAB.8010107@googlemail.com>

Alex Kavanagh wrote:
> Hi
>
> I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a
> medium it is remarkably small!  I think it may be a female medium
> t-shirt.
>
> Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts
> left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt?
>
> Cheers
> Alex.
>
I always go for the larger size and opt to shrink in the wash :-)

Stephen

From funthyme at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 17:15:58 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:15:58 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
In-Reply-To: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0907060815h407282e0sc2f77456bfbaad00@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

2009/7/6 Alex Kavanagh <alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com>

> Hi
>
> I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a
> medium it is remarkably small!  I think it may be a female medium t-shirt.
>
> Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts left,
> send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt?
>

We have a few shirts left, so if anyone is short of one please let me know
in the next week and we'll send you one if we have the right size.

Best wishes,

John
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From alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com  Mon Jul  6 17:26:36 2009
From: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com (Alex Kavanagh)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:26:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender?
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0907060815h407282e0sc2f77456bfbaad00@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com>
	<ff8a32f0907060815h407282e0sc2f77456bfbaad00@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5217AC.5040108@tinwood.com>

Hi John

John Pinner wrote, On 06/07/09 16:15:
> Hello,
>
> 2009/7/6 Alex Kavanagh <alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com 
> <mailto:alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com>>
>
>     Hi
>
>     I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and
>     for a medium it is remarkably small!  I think it may be a female
>     medium t-shirt.
>
>     Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts
>     left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt?
>
>
> We have a few shirts left, so if anyone is short of one please let me 
> know in the next week and we'll send you one if we have the right size.
Presently, if Fiona wants it, I'm sending mine female black t-shirt to 
her.  If she has a male back medium t-shirt then I'll have hers.  If no, 
do you have any male black medium t-shirts (actually, they are probably 
polo shirts, but I can't remember if they do or don't have a collar ...)

Cheers
Alex.

>
> Best wishes,
>
> John
> --
>

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From q at clocksoft.com  Mon Jul  6 18:02:14 2009
From: q at clocksoft.com (Quentin Wright)
Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:02:14 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Post Conference blog entry with Zope emphasis
Message-ID: <4A522006.5040101@clocksoft.com>

http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/7/2/zope-mindshare-at-europython

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Mon Jul  6 18:00:17 2009
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:00:17 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
Message-ID: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>

Hello,

http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat
is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so
to my browser.

How can I change this?

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From funthyme at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 18:29:05 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:29:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
In-Reply-To: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>
References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>

> Hello,
>
>
> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat
> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so
> to my browser.
>
> How can I change this?
>

I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another
with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now.
(I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the
authoritative answer.)

We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to
be marked-up text which we'll convert to html.

Thanks for your support again this year!

Best wishes,

John
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From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Mon Jul  6 19:09:37 2009
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:09:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>
	<ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090706170937.GD16824@volans.logilab.fr>

On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 05:29:05PM +0100, John Pinner wrote:
> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another
> with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now.
> (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the
> authoritative answer.)
> 
> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to
> be marked-up text which we'll convert to html.

rst2html will convert to html. I used rst2s5, but it needs the style
sheet. Why not link to
http://www.logilab.fr/publications/europython2009-cubicweb ?

> Thanks for your support again this year!

I already thank you there http://www.logilab.org/blogentry/9579 but
can do it again here: thanks to the organisation team! :)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de  Mon Jul  6 19:09:15 2009
From: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de (Reimar Bauer)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:09:15 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>
	<ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de>

Hi

you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin
version used to get the mimetype.

There are some more with a missing extension.

attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote
attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER
attachment:MOAI Server
attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian
attachment:Real world App Engine
attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat
attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code

May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later.

cheers
Reimar



John Pinner schrieb:
> Hello,
>
> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr<mailto:nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>>
> Hello,
>
> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat
> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so
> to my browser.
>
> How can I change this?
>
> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.)
>
> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html.
>
> Thanks for your support again this year!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> John
> --
>


--
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Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1)
Forschungszentrum Juelich
email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de


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From kellrott at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 21:43:54 2009
From: kellrott at gmail.com (Kyle Ellrott)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:43:54 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
In-Reply-To: <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de>
References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>
	<ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de>
Message-ID: <bb02be080907061243h6678d522je93446cfa433503d@mail.gmail.com>

I've uploaded Cluster Programming with PIPPER.pdf, to fix the missing
extension and update to the version actually used in the presentation.
 Don't see a 'delete' button to remove the previous copy.

Kyle

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Reimar Bauer<R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de> wrote:
> Hi
>
> you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin
> version used to get the mimetype.
>
> There are some more with a missing extension.
>
> attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote
> attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER
> attachment:MOAI Server
> attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian
> attachment:Real world App Engine
> attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat
> attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code
>
> May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later.
>
> cheers
> Reimar
>
>
>
> John Pinner schrieb:
>> Hello,
>>
>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr<mailto:nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat
>> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so
>> to my browser.
>>
>> How can I change this?
>>
>> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.)
>>
>> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html.
>>
>> Thanks for your support again this year!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> John
>> --
>>
>
>
> --
> Reimar Bauer
>
> Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1)
> Forschungszentrum Juelich
> email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH
> 52425 Juelich
> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich
> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498
> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe
> Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender),
> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt,
> Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
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> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de  Tue Jul  7 00:04:38 2009
From: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de (Reimar Bauer)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:04:38 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
In-Reply-To: <bb02be080907061243h6678d522je93446cfa433503d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr>	<ff8a32f0907060929s171685ffo1c975e74e9bad332@mail.gmail.com>	<4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de>
	<bb02be080907061243h6678d522je93446cfa433503d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5274F6.9000203@fz-juelich.de>



Kyle Ellrott schrieb:
> I've uploaded Cluster Programming with PIPPER.pdf, to fix the missing
> extension and update to the version actually used in the presentation.
>  Don't see a 'delete' button to remove the previous copy.

well you need to login. If you log in you are allowed to rename the
attachment or to delete one. I have removed the duplicated one.

cheers
Reimar


> 
> Kyle
> 
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Reimar Bauer<R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin
>> version used to get the mimetype.
>>
>> There are some more with a missing extension.
>>
>> attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote
>> attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER
>> attachment:MOAI Server
>> attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian
>> attachment:Real world App Engine
>> attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat
>> attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code
>>
>> May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later.
>>
>> cheers
>> Reimar
>>
>>
>>
>> John Pinner schrieb:
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr<mailto:nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat
>>> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so
>>> to my browser.
>>>
>>> How can I change this?
>>>
>>> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.)
>>>
>>> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your support again this year!
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> John
>>> --
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Reimar Bauer
>>
>> Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1)
>> Forschungszentrum Juelich
>> email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH
>> 52425 Juelich
>> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich
>> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498
>> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe
>> Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender),
>> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt,
>> Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From jml at canonical.com  Tue Jul  7 06:39:23 2009
From: jml at canonical.com (Jonathan Lange)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:39:23 +1000
Subject: [EuroPython] Bazaar sprint report (was Fwd: Birmingham sprint
	report)
Message-ID: <d06a5cd30907062139v4d44bb84kdf4d34cf264d4194@mail.gmail.com>

I just sent this sprint report to the Bazaar mailing list. Forwarded
here for your reading pleasure.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Jonathan Lange <jml at mumak.net>
Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM
Subject: Birmingham sprint report
To: Bazaar <bazaar at lists.canonical.com>


The first ever Bazaar sprint in the first ever Birmingham is well and truly
over. Here's the low-down.

Attendees:
?Jonathan Lange (jml)
?Wouter van Heyst (LarstiQ)
?Andy Kilner (gnublade)
?Russel Winder (russel)
?Stephen Emslie (semslie)
?Szilveszter Farkas (phanatic)

The sprint went ran on the Friday and Saturday after EuroPython 2009.

As you might remember, the goal of the sprint was to work on cool UI stuff:
bling, papercuts, little annoying fixes, simple obvious missing features etc.

We stuck pretty well to this goal. Here's roughly what got done:

?* Fixed #217031, "bzr launchpad-login -v MYNAME" gives no feedback (jml)

?* Fixed a tilde -> %7E URL translation glitch (gnublade)

?* Released 1.16.1 for OS X & documented how to do it. (szi)

?* Fixed up supported Python version info in bzr (russel)

?* Provided a patch for bug #213185, tag conflicts do not change exit code.
? ?(gnublade)

?* Fixed ugly exception being raised on network error in bug #247958 (jml)

?* Submitted patch for #84659, it's been rejected but the bug has moved
? ?forward. (jml)

?* Updated subvertpy ppa. (LarstiQ)


And here are some things that we need your help with, still:

?* Submitted RFC patch for LP API support. Still waiting on replies. (jml)

?* Submitted RFC patch for fixing the URL that remote smart servers suggest
? ?for break-lock. The patch has had replies, but is still waiting on
? ?_something_ -- a firm "yes" perhaps? (LarstiQ)

?* Worked on bug #308472, getting 'info' to show the server version. Not sure
? ?what state the bug is in now, I'm pretty sure Stephen sent a patch.
? ?(gnublade, semslie)

?* I have "#183089 (gnublade)" but I have no idea what that means.

Apologies if I've missed anyone or anything. Please correct me if I have!

I also cheated a little and submitted a patch to Launchpad which will make the
public API way more useful for Bazaar.

Some other things:

?* It was particularly exciting for me to see Andy & Stephen dig into the
? ?details of Bazaar and get all the way to submitting patches.

?* It would have been nice to have an easier way of finding easy bugs to fix.
? ?I sent an email to list about it, and I think it's been resolved (when
? ?tagging with 'easy', always explain how to fix the bug).

?* I was a little surprised to notice that people are running Bazaar 1.13 by
? ?default, since that's the version of Bazaar that ships with Jaunty.

?* At the EuroPython conference, Geoff Bache asked me about a patch of his
? ?that has been languishing without review. I couldn't find this patch on
? ?Launchpad or BundleBuggy, but then stumbled across bug 183831. There are
? ?38 bugs that have patches[1].

?* We had quite a few interruptions from people at other sprints who were
? ?interested in Bazaar or Launchpad.

?* I regularly mispronounced Wouter's name as "Jelmer". I'm an idiot.

?* ?The coffee was terrible and the beer was very tasty.


I had a lot of fun. Thanks to the attendees and to the EuroPython organizers.

jml

[1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.has_patch.used=&field.has_patch=on

From kitblake at infrae.com  Tue Jul  7 07:49:36 2009
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:49:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki
In-Reply-To: <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de>
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On 6 Jul 2009, at 19:09, Reimar Bauer wrote:

> Hi
>
> you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin
> version used to get the mimetype.
>
> There are some more with a missing extension.
>
> attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote
> attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER
> attachment:MOAI Server

Reimar, thanks for the login tip. I renamed MOAIServer and added the  
extension.

Kit


> attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian
> attachment:Real world App Engine
> attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat
> attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code
>
> May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later.
>
> cheers
> Reimar
>
>
>
> John Pinner schrieb:
>> Hello,
>>
>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr<mailto:nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr 
>> >>
>> Hello,
>>
>> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat
>> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says  
>> so
>> to my browser.
>>
>> How can I change this?
>>
>> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to  
>> another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all  
>> seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be  
>> able to give us the authoritative answer.)
>>
>> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible:  
>> yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html.
>>
>> Thanks for your support again this year!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> John
>> --
>>
>
>
> --
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Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:12 +0100
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From andreas.kaempf at soundience.com  Tue Jul  7 11:29:24 2009
From: andreas.kaempf at soundience.com (Andreas Kaempf)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:29:24 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Bazaar sprint report (was Fwd: Birmingham sprint
 report)
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Thanks for circulating the report, very interesting! It gives some
sense of what happens on a sprint, which I've always wondered. I'd
like to participate on one in future.

Well done all, and best regards,

Andreas


On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:39:23 +1000 Jonathan Lange <jml at canonical.com>
wrote:

> I just sent this sprint report to the Bazaar mailing list. Forwarded
> here for your reading pleasure.
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Jonathan Lange <jml at mumak.net>
> Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM
> Subject: Birmingham sprint report
> To: Bazaar <bazaar at lists.canonical.com>
> 
> 
> The first ever Bazaar sprint in the first ever Birmingham is well and truly
> over. Here's the low-down.
> 
> Attendees:
> ?Jonathan Lange (jml)
> ?Wouter van Heyst (LarstiQ)
> ?Andy Kilner (gnublade)
> ?Russel Winder (russel)
> ?Stephen Emslie (semslie)
> ?Szilveszter Farkas (phanatic)
> 
> The sprint went ran on the Friday and Saturday after EuroPython 2009.
> 
> As you might remember, the goal of the sprint was to work on cool UI stuff:
> bling, papercuts, little annoying fixes, simple obvious missing features etc.
> 
> We stuck pretty well to this goal. Here's roughly what got done:
> 
> ?* Fixed #217031, "bzr launchpad-login -v MYNAME" gives no feedback (jml)
> 
> ?* Fixed a tilde -> %7E URL translation glitch (gnublade)
> 
> ?* Released 1.16.1 for OS X & documented how to do it. (szi)
> 
> ?* Fixed up supported Python version info in bzr (russel)
> 
> ?* Provided a patch for bug #213185, tag conflicts do not change exit code.
> ? ?(gnublade)
> 
> ?* Fixed ugly exception being raised on network error in bug #247958 (jml)
> 
> ?* Submitted patch for #84659, it's been rejected but the bug has moved
> ? ?forward. (jml)
> 
> ?* Updated subvertpy ppa. (LarstiQ)
> 
> 
> And here are some things that we need your help with, still:
> 
> ?* Submitted RFC patch for LP API support. Still waiting on replies. (jml)
> 
> ?* Submitted RFC patch for fixing the URL that remote smart servers suggest
> ? ?for break-lock. The patch has had replies, but is still waiting on
> ? ?_something_ -- a firm "yes" perhaps? (LarstiQ)
> 
> ?* Worked on bug #308472, getting 'info' to show the server version. Not sure
> ? ?what state the bug is in now, I'm pretty sure Stephen sent a patch.
> ? ?(gnublade, semslie)
> 
> ?* I have "#183089 (gnublade)" but I have no idea what that means.
> 
> Apologies if I've missed anyone or anything. Please correct me if I have!
> 
> I also cheated a little and submitted a patch to Launchpad which will make the
> public API way more useful for Bazaar.
> 
> Some other things:
> 
> ?* It was particularly exciting for me to see Andy & Stephen dig into the
> ? ?details of Bazaar and get all the way to submitting patches.
> 
> ?* It would have been nice to have an easier way of finding easy bugs to fix.
> ? ?I sent an email to list about it, and I think it's been resolved (when
> ? ?tagging with 'easy', always explain how to fix the bug).
> 
> ?* I was a little surprised to notice that people are running Bazaar 1.13 by
> ? ?default, since that's the version of Bazaar that ships with Jaunty.
> 
> ?* At the EuroPython conference, Geoff Bache asked me about a patch of his
> ? ?that has been languishing without review. I couldn't find this patch on
> ? ?Launchpad or BundleBuggy, but then stumbled across bug 183831. There are
> ? ?38 bugs that have patches[1].
> 
> ?* We had quite a few interruptions from people at other sprints who were
> ? ?interested in Bazaar or Launchpad.
> 
> ?* I regularly mispronounced Wouter's name as "Jelmer". I'm an idiot.
> 
> ?* ?The coffee was terrible and the beer was very tasty.
> 
> 
> I had a lot of fun. Thanks to the attendees and to the EuroPython organizers.
> 
> jml
> 
> [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.has_patch.used=&field.has_patch=on
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From steve at holdenweb.com  Tue Jul  7 12:51:42 2009
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:51:42 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :)
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Jeff Rush wrote:
> A.M. Kuchling wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 07:13:20AM -0400, Catherine Devlin wrote:
>>> On the general topic of helping conferences and speakers find each
>>> other, that's the intent of this wiki page:
>>>
>>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeakers
>>>
>>> ... which, granted, hasn't really achieved critical mass yet.  I'd
>>> planned to spam all this year's PyCon speakers with invitations to
>>> sign themselves up, but... uh.
> 
> I'm not sure I'd say that.  Being a speaker at PyCon doesn't mean you
> are looking for future gigs or that you speak professionally.  I
> wouldn't expect everyone who spoke at any Python event to sign up as a
> speaker.
> 
> 
>> Before doing that -- is a wiki the right place for this info?  Would
>> it be better to use some service that would provide tagging and
>> geographical searching?  But I have no idea what service would be
>> suitable; neither LinkedIn nor Facebook seem right or offer the right
>> features.
> 
> A wiki is not ideal but no one has found a site with the features or
> legal rules (there are sites for A-class professional speakers) we need.
>  There have been at least two efforts to sprint on it to create one,
> using the Google AppEngine.  Both  failed to sustain momentum, similar
> to how the Python Jobs App died.  If anyone tackles this, get the notes
> from me.
> 
> The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue
> to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic
> needs of the community go unmet?  "People are busy" while accurate seems
> a poor response.
> 
I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a
rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due
to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on

  http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials

I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets
filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-)

regards
 Steve
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From nickjohnson at google.com  Tue Jul  7 13:04:16 2009
From: nickjohnson at google.com (Nick Johnson)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:04:16 +0100
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Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending
'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you?

-Nick Johnson

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>
>
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From marius at gedmin.as  Tue Jul  7 17:40:45 2009
From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:40:45 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] unsubscribe
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On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:04:16PM +0100, Nick Johnson wrote:
> Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending
> 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you?

I think Mailman has an option to intercept and handle administrative
commands sent to the list address.

Marius Gedminas
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From chris at simplistix.co.uk  Tue Jul  7 18:12:44 2009
From: chris at simplistix.co.uk (Chris Withers)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 17:12:44 +0100
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Marius Gedminas wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:04:16PM +0100, Nick Johnson wrote:
>> Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending
>> 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you?
> 
> I think Mailman has an option to intercept and handle administrative
> commands sent to the list address.

Does it implements this:

http://bash.org/?4281

Chris :-)

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From paul at boddie.org.uk  Wed Jul  8 00:03:39 2009
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:03:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :)
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Message-ID: <200907080003.39268.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 07 July 2009 12:51:42 Steve Holden wrote:
> Jeff Rush wrote:
> >
> > The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue
> > to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic
> > needs of the community go unmet?  "People are busy" while accurate seems
> > a poor response.

The saying about the cobbler is something I'd expect Steve to say. :-)

> I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a
> rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due
> to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on
>
>   http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials
>
> I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets
> filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-)

I was going to have a few words with you about this at EuroPython, Steve, 
especially after your talk, but I didn't manage to track you down at the 
right point.

The problem with all these Web-related activities is that people approach them 
from a "Soviet" perspective and after having wiped the slate clean (or pushed 
all the toys off the table - choose a metaphor!), the result is usually a 
top-down solution with very few engaged participants. Meanwhile, a bunch of 
other people are usually plotting to replace the existing solution with 
another developed in much the same fashion. The result is a large number of 
dissatisfied people complaining about everything and anything, in my 
experience, even if the solution is actually usable and not actively detested 
by most people.

As far as python.org is concerned, there is already a solution that involves a 
fair number of people: the wiki.python.org part of the site. Just as we see 
with the EuroPython site, that's where most of the action is, and the 
sensible thing would be to emphasize it instead of pretending that it isn't 
a "proper site" and then developing a custom solution that won't be properly 
maintained. I've recently helped another organisation already using MoinMoin 
with the behind-the-scenes theme code and useful extensions, and the 
EuroPython Wiki theme developer has already offered his work for python.org 
use, so the pieces are already there to use.

If Bruce Eckel sees the point of using a Wiki instead of the combination of 
Sphinx and a version control system [1] - arguably a "developer mindset" take 
on what some would call a "proper site" - surely there's some merit in going 
in the direction already shown by wiki.python.org after all.

Paul

[1] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930

From steve at holdenweb.com  Wed Jul  8 00:22:39 2009
From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden)
Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:22:39 -0400
Subject: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :)
In-Reply-To: <200907080003.39268.paul@boddie.org.uk>
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Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Tuesday 07 July 2009 12:51:42 Steve Holden wrote:
>> Jeff Rush wrote:
>>> The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue
>>> to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic
>>> needs of the community go unmet?  "People are busy" while accurate seems
>>> a poor response.
> 
> The saying about the cobbler is something I'd expect Steve to say. :-)
> 
>> I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a
>> rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due
>> to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on
>>
>>   http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials
>>
>> I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets
>> filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-)
> 
> I was going to have a few words with you about this at EuroPython, Steve, 
> especially after your talk, but I didn't manage to track you down at the 
> right point.
> 
> The problem with all these Web-related activities is that people approach them 
> from a "Soviet" perspective and after having wiped the slate clean (or pushed 
> all the toys off the table - choose a metaphor!), the result is usually a 
> top-down solution with very few engaged participants. Meanwhile, a bunch of 
> other people are usually plotting to replace the existing solution with 
> another developed in much the same fashion. The result is a large number of 
> dissatisfied people complaining about everything and anything, in my 
> experience, even if the solution is actually usable and not actively detested 
> by most people.
> 
> As far as python.org is concerned, there is already a solution that involves a 
> fair number of people: the wiki.python.org part of the site. Just as we see 
> with the EuroPython site, that's where most of the action is, and the 
> sensible thing would be to emphasize it instead of pretending that it isn't 
> a "proper site" and then developing a custom solution that won't be properly 
> maintained. I've recently helped another organisation already using MoinMoin 
> with the behind-the-scenes theme code and useful extensions, and the 
> EuroPython Wiki theme developer has already offered his work for python.org 
> use, so the pieces are already there to use.
> 
> If Bruce Eckel sees the point of using a Wiki instead of the combination of 
> Sphinx and a version control system [1] - arguably a "developer mindset" take 
> on what some would call a "proper site" - surely there's some merit in going 
> in the direction already shown by wiki.python.org after all.
> 
> Paul
> 
> [1] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930
> 
> 
> 
Paul:

Yes, EuroPython was a blast but it went by far too fast! I agree there's
a lot to be said for maintaining Wiki content as a group, and much of
the Wiki content is successfully being so managed.

But if we want to make the web site a portal, then we can't *just* use a
wiki. The intent, though, is the same: democratize the web content and
try to open up the maintenance task to a wider group.

None of this gainsays the work of the existing volunteers, and I am sure
that many of them will also have ideas about how the site can be
incrementally improved to include dynamic content and much more linkage
to community-based and project-based activities not necessarily directly
related to core Python development, but nevertheless relevant to the
PSF's mission.

regards
 Steve
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From gour at gour-nitai.com  Wed Jul  8 16:54:46 2009
From: gour at gour-nitai.com (Gour)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:54:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] audio recordings & slides
Message-ID: <87my7frzrd.fsf@mail.wservices.ch>

Hi!

I'm interested if audio recordings from Europython '09 are available for
download somewhere?

I'm primarily interested to see & hear Pyjamas-related stuff?


Sincerely,
Gour

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From fiona at myrmidonprocess.com  Wed Jul  8 17:04:56 2009
From: fiona at myrmidonprocess.com (Fiona Burrows)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:04:56 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] audio recordings & slides
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Gour wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm interested if audio recordings from Europython '09 are available for
> download somewhere?
>
> I'm primarily interested to see & hear Pyjamas-related stuff?
>
>
>   
The current list is here: http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks

From funthyme at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 18:26:53 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 17:26:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Don't forget your photographs
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References: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi,

2009/7/5 Adewale Oshineye <adewale at gmail.com>

> There is also a EuroPython group on Flickr:
> http://www.flickr.com/groups/europython/


Trouble is, it does not appear that anyone has used a EuroPython 2009 tag,
so 2008 and 2009 are muddled up together.

John
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> 2009/7/3 Richard Taylor <r.taylor at bcs.org.uk>:
> > Hi
> >
> > And don't forget to upload your photographs to
> > http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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> >
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From cs at comlounge.net  Wed Jul  8 19:32:12 2009
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 19:32:12 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Don't forget your photographs
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Hi!

> 2009/7/5 Adewale Oshineye <adewale at gmail.com <mailto:adewale at gmail.com>>
> 
>     There is also a EuroPython group on Flickr:
>     http://www.flickr.com/groups/europython/
> 
>  
> Trouble is, it does not appear that anyone has used a EuroPython 2009
> tag, so 2008 and 2009 are muddled up together.

Maybe people on this list can retag their photos or (if allowed) can add
the europython2009 tag to other peoples photos where you think you know
it's from this year (should be clear through the date).

I also would like to volunteer to give a little social media intro in
next year's welcome talk to tell people which tag to use and what they
can do to spread the word about this cool event.

And while I am on it, I also would like to thank all organizers for the
great conference! :-)

(and maybe sometime this week I might even find some time to blog about
EuroPython and the futuremusiccamp I attended afterwards)

-- Christian


> 
> John
> --
> 
> 
>     2009/7/3 Richard Taylor <r.taylor at bcs.org.uk
>     <mailto:r.taylor at bcs.org.uk>>:
>     > Hi
>     >
>     > And don't forget to upload your photographs to
>     > http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/
>     >
>     > Thanks
>     >
>     > Richard
>     >
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > EuroPython mailing list
>     > EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>
>     > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>     >
>     >
>     _______________________________________________
>     EuroPython mailing list
>     EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


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From kitblake at infrae.com  Fri Jul 10 07:17:37 2009
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:17:37 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Cory Doctorow story serialized on Tor.com
Message-ID: <9660BDF4-49F3-4333-ABA8-CCE052EA69AB@infrae.com>

For Cory Doctorow readers, his publisher "...will be serializing  
Makers, Cory Doctorow?s upcoming novel, which goes on sale from Tor  
Books in November. We?ll be serializing the entirety of the novel,  
with a new installment every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday."

http://is.gd/1t9p1

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From stephenemslie at gmail.com  Fri Jul 10 11:51:36 2009
From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:51:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night
Message-ID: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com>

Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in regular
London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all of our minds,
lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank of England pub on Fleet
Street next Wednesday.

Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope Simon
Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more official London
Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, etc. so the intention
here is to provide a relaxed and informal regular meet to drink ale and
discuss Python (drinking of ale is optional).

Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm
Venue: Old Bank of England Pub:
http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/

In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll display the
usual can of spam to make us identifiable.

Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner
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From tartley at tartley.com  Fri Jul 10 14:19:53 2009
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:19:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night
In-Reply-To: <14982605.1247219581279.JavaMail.root@n17>
References: <14982605.1247219581279.JavaMail.root@n17>
Message-ID: <4A5731E9.9050102@tartley.com>

I have a single copy of Michael Foord's smashing 'IronPython in Action' 
book to give away at this London Python meet, for any attendees that 
have an interest in this marriage of Python with .NET.

I promised Michael and his publisher that I'd find a worthy home for one 
of my two copies. Assuming more than one person is interested, I'll 
choose some amusing method for deciding who gets the book. If nobody is 
into .NET, then I'll just have to take it along to the... /London .NET 
user group meet/! (boo! hiss!)

The only condition is that the lucky winner has to write a blog post 
about it after they read it. (Yes Michael, my own review will be posted 
within hours!) :-)

    Jonathan


Stephen Emslie wrote:
> Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in 
> regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all of 
> our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank of 
> England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday.
>
> Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope Simon 
> Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more official 
> London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, etc. so 
> the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal regular meet 
> to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is optional).
>
> Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm
> Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: 
> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/
>
> In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll 
> display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable.
>
> Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>   

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tartley at tartley.com   +44 7737 062 225   twitter/skype: tartley



From me at byron.me.uk  Fri Jul 10 18:11:17 2009
From: me at byron.me.uk (Byron Schlemmer)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:11:17 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos?
In-Reply-To: <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com>
References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17>
	<4A420863.6070106@tartley.com>
Message-ID: <71888cb20907100911q6c9512cfr9295c8c8c6dae729@mail.gmail.com>

2009/6/24 Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com>:
> Hi Byron,
>
> We will not be videoing talks, simply because we have not had anybody with
> time, knowledge and equipment who has volunteered to do it.
>
> We do, however, have someone who is able to make audio recordings, and they
> have whipped up a handful of eager helpers to cover the multiple rooms, so
> we will be doing that. The audio files will need rudimentary editing and
> uploading, and hopefully will be up soon after the conference, for FREE!

Hi,

Audio from the talks up yet? I appreciate this is dependent on someone
free time. Just checking I didn't miss the link to them off the site.

-- 

    byron

From kitblake at infrae.com  Fri Jul 10 19:03:19 2009
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:03:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos?
In-Reply-To: <71888cb20907100911q6c9512cfr9295c8c8c6dae729@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17>
	<4A420863.6070106@tartley.com>
	<71888cb20907100911q6c9512cfr9295c8c8c6dae729@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D31E1D9-ECFC-4381-88B9-97053F547173@infrae.com>

On 10 Jul 2009, at 18:11, Byron Schlemmer wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Audio from the talks up yet? I appreciate this is dependent on someone
> free time. Just checking I didn't miss the link to them off the site.

The current list is here: http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks

Kit


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From cmsdew at googlemail.com  Sat Jul 11 20:02:31 2009
From: cmsdew at googlemail.com (Chris Dew)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:02:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos?
In-Reply-To: <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com>
References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17>
	<4A420863.6070106@tartley.com>
Message-ID: <e6a690760907111102tbac6545xacc0678b7e049bd8@mail.gmail.com>

I noticed someone setting up a little (SD card?) video recorder on a tripod,
just in front of the speaker, at several talks during EuroPython 2009.

Does anyone know who this was, and whether the talk videos will be made
public?

Thanks,

Chris.

2009/6/24 Jonathan Hartley <tartley at tartley.com>

> Hi Byron,
>
> We will not be videoing talks, simply because we have not had anybody with
> time, knowledge and equipment who has volunteered to do it.
>
> We do, however, havesomeone who is able to make audio recordings, and they
> have whipped up a handful of eager helpers to cover the multiple rooms, so
> we will be doing that. The audio files will need rudimentary editing and
> uploading, and hopefully will be up soon after the conference, for FREE!
>
>   Jonathan
>
> Byron Schlemmer wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Will any videos be taken of EuroPython 2009, specifically the
>> keynotes? Will they be made available online, for a nominal fee
>> perhaps?
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Jonathan Hartley      Made of meat.      http://tartley.com
> tartley at tartley.com   +44 7737 062 225   twitter/skype: tartley
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>



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From sparks.m at gmail.com  Sat Jul 11 20:32:33 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos?
In-Reply-To: <e6a690760907111102tbac6545xacc0678b7e049bd8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17>
	<4A420863.6070106@tartley.com>
	<e6a690760907111102tbac6545xacc0678b7e049bd8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20e5c9660907111132q4d34f17do1441f14b823ae0e2@mail.gmail.com>

On Saturday 11 July 2009 19:02:31 Chris Dew wrote:
> I noticed someone setting up a little (SD card?) video recorder on a
> tripod, just in front of the speaker, at several talks during EuroPython
> 2009.
>
> Does anyone know who this was, and whether the talk videos will be made
> public?

It was me, and I'll post a message to the list when they're all
transcoded, up and visible - to avoid spamming the list repeatedly.
I'm  about halfway through, and unsorted at present, and here:

   * http://europython09.blip.tv/

My favourite is this one:
   * http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338579/

The reason it's taking time is because the files generated are
generally 4GB in size, and blip.tv only accepts files up to 1GB in
size.

You can find out more details on my blog here:
   * http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1246925071

Though I've had to change that script slightly (one line) due to
discovering that ffmpeg can create broken files as far as the rest of
the world is concerned. That script is however a nice example also of
how concurrency can make your life easier rather than harder if you
use an appropriate model. (That script maxes out my machine very
happily, even though it's written in python, and I'm using a dual core
machine)

Transcode is happening overnight, and upload is happening when I'm at
work. (ie transcode when I'm not using the CPU, and upload at a place
with an upload speed 10x faster than home)

In case you're wondering why I'm not serving the raw original video -
I don't have the space (on a server) or bandwidth to host >80GB of
files.

Regards,


Michael.
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From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 13 11:34:45 2009
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:34:45 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks!
Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907130234q537cbe9bk1d74ac9c36de8c5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I have just uploaded 5 more talks to the RecordedTalks page of the wiki

http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks

Currently 19 talks are up, and we're still processing the rest.

Ciar?n

From funthyme at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 11:53:33 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:53:33 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks!
In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907130234q537cbe9bk1d74ac9c36de8c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e4e51a80907130234q537cbe9bk1d74ac9c36de8c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0907130253j7ab85ca3q56981e6efe2ff185@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Ciar?n :-)

John
--


2009/7/13 Ciar?n Mooney <general.mooney at googlemail.com>

> Hi,
>
> I have just uploaded 5 more talks to the RecordedTalks page of the wiki
>
> http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks
>
> Currently 19 talks are up, and we're still processing the rest.
>
> Ciar?n
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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From sparks.m at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 19:00:14 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:00:14 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] All Europython Videos now available! :-)
Message-ID: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


Just dropping a note to say that all the talks I videoed are now available
here:
    * http://europython09.blip.tv/

As a caveat, I'm going to re-encode the tutorials due to an issue with ffmpeg
creating invalid data streams (causing a loss of a/v sync for some of the
tutorials, which is a little disconcerting).

For those curious, the full list is this:

Key Notes
=========

    Europython Welcome
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338504

    Bletchley Park
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338379
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338500
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338498

    Bruce Eckel
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338437
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338433

    Cory Doctorow
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338470
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338501

    Guido Keynote *nearly* ;-) :-)
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338552

    Steve Holden - PSF and Us keynote
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351630

    Steve Holden - After Dinner Talk (shakeycam)
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351567

    Tony Hoare
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338828
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338824


Other Talks
===========

    gSculpt 3d Modeller
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338555

    Windmill Testing
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351628

    Making Money with Python
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351505

    Python and Java
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338630

    Python and Nuke
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338673

    rc-filterpype
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338751

    RJDJ Reality Morph
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338742
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338749
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338789

    QCake 3d Game Maker and Python
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338671

    Xapian
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338867


Tutorials
=========

    py.test Tutorial
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329746
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329747
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329778
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329806
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329876
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329908

    PyGTK Tutorial (not as "photogenic" as others, due to its nature)
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329140
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329669
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329711
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329749
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329748

    Europython Kamaelia Tutorial
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2323925
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2327817
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2328583
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2328810

Lightning Talks
===============

    "Be Afraid"
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2322638

    Collaborations in Healthcare
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351370

    Distributed Version Control Systems
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338583

    Django Widget for Large Selections
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338907

    Django - not Cows Doing Space Travel
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351369

    EuroSciPy
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338580

    FilterPype
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351368

    Hack like an Evil Overlord
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338581
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338579

    Help Tiddly Web - Unintentional Web Data Store
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351416

    Internet Surveillance and Censorship
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351411

    Jacob Hallen - Political Activism
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351402

    Nagare Web Framework
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338589

    Not Crashing a Car
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351409

    Psyco v2 Talk
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351407

    PyCharm intelli-j Plugin
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351406

    Python and Excel
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351413

    Python as Platform for Teaching Maths
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338582

    Python at CWI
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351408

    Python Community Germany
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351415

    Python for Numerical Science
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351403

    Python System Information
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351404

    Reducing Database Load by Fifty Percent
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338588

    Reimplementating (part of) the Google App Engine
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351410

    Self Services Terminals
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351446

    Service Station
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351442

    Using Python to make 50 million per year
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338908

    The Cloud In Five
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351444

    TPS Reports in Django
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351443

    Turbo Gears Meets Cubic Web
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338586

    Turtles In Cairo
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351451

    TwOTPp Twisted OTP Erlang From Python
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351445

    Visualising Egg Dependencies
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351452

    Writing Games - Pygame Fenix
         http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351447

    Writing USB Drivers using Python
          http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338584

Regards,


Michael.
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http://twitter.com/kamaelian
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From stephenemslie at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 19:19:46 2009
From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:19:46 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] All Europython Videos now available! :-)
In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51f97e530907131019hb68f8ebtb2453b32596a1bb1@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks so much Michael.

This is a great Archive of the event, and now I can seee all those
talks I missed.

From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Mon Jul 13 20:49:01 2009
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:49:01 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks + Cory Doctorow
Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907131149g53b80217n7322b30dc97a443d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A lot of people would probably like to listen to Cory Doctorow's talk.

It is now up on the Recorded Talks wiki page.

http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks

Ciar?n

From sparks.m at gmail.com  Mon Jul 13 21:14:48 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:14:48 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] All Europython Videos now available! :-)
In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20e5c9660907131214i20056012k434edf56c4b42fe3@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,


This list is slowly getting smaller as some people come forward and
say "sorry, I really don't want a permanent record of my talk". Now,
whilst there can be lots of views on this matter[1], I'm taking the
view that honouring people's wishes (ie their feelings) matters more.
I do view it as sad, but I view people being upset as sadder. ( It's
generally lightning talks fwiw - most speakers knew we were recording
talks, since the proposal form explicitly asked for permission )

[1] My personal one is if you don't want people to report something
you have to say which is interesting don't get up, stand in front of
400-500 people and say it.... :-)

I would ask though, if you're thinking about asking this, please think
twice. I cringe hideously  whenever I hear a presentation I've given
or see a video of one I've given (I have no idea I talk that fast in
that context!). I think we all cringe when we see/hear ourselves.

However, I know from seeing other people's presentations that make
/them/ cringe are really useful and interesting and provide a
different view on the subject than something on slideshare or a blog
ever can so that they're worth keeping visible.

However, I also understand that some people feel different, and would
rather people feel comfortable speaking again at a future point in
time, rather than have anyone left upset who contributed by getting up
and sharing something they were interested in! :-)

As a side note, if you ever don't want a talk recorded, just say,
no-one will be offended.

If anyone has any q's please do contact me.

Regards,


Michael.
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From david at boddie.org.uk  Mon Jul 13 22:48:05 2009
From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie)
Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:48:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.25.1247479203.18203.europython@python.org>
References: <mailman.25.1247479203.18203.europython@python.org>
Message-ID: <200907132248.06078.david@boddie.org.uk>

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:34:45 +0100, Ciar?n Mooney wrote:

> I have just uploaded 5 more talks to the RecordedTalks page of the wiki
>
> http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks
>
> Currently 19 talks are up, and we're still processing the rest.

Thanks for doing this. Now I can catch up on all those talks I couldn't
attend in person. :-)

David

From horst.jens at chello.at  Tue Jul 14 08:30:59 2009
From: horst.jens at chello.at (Horst JENS)
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:30:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] python coder for browsergame project wanted (German)
Message-ID: <1247553059.3569.6.camel@BigBoss>

A friend of me is looking for an python coder to help him with his
browser game: www.stellar-legends.de

More about the project can be found in this posting:
http://www.python-forum.de/topic-19510.html (German)

about payment: the project is not yet gone commercial so payment will
only come if the project itself make money ... risky and can take a
while.
The project is already developed by an international community of
coders, and in need of a second python coder.

for questions, please contact profion at live.de 

greetings,
 -Horst


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From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed Jul 15 19:05:24 2009
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:05:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings
Message-ID: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>

Hi,

This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first
1:40 min 

http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338586/

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From sparks.m at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 21:13:03 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:13:03 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings
In-Reply-To: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>
References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Nicolas
Chauvat<nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first
> 1:40 min

You are welcome to provide an editted version, or to provide me with
editting tools :-)

Otherwise, thank you for the bug report, when I have the appropriate
tools I'll apply this suggested fix ;-)

Regards,


Michael.

From aafshar at gmail.com  Wed Jul 15 22:43:46 2009
From: aafshar at gmail.com (Ali Afshar)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:43:46 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings
In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>
	<20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com>

Michael Sparks wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Nicolas
> Chauvat<nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first
>> 1:40 min
>>     
>
> You are welcome to provide an editted version, or to provide me with
> editting tools :-)
>
> Otherwise, thank you for the bug report, when I have the appropriate
> tools I'll apply this suggested fix ;-)
>   
Buy a Mac!

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Wed Jul 15 23:36:47 2009
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:36:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings
In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>
	<20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090715213647.GA19518@volans.logilab.fr>

Hi,

On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:13:03PM +0100, Michael Sparks wrote:
> > This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first
> > 1:40 min
> 
> You are welcome to provide an editted version, or to provide me with
> editting tools :-)

http://www.logilab.fr/publications/tbcubic.flv

apt-get install avidemux

http://avidemux.org/

I know close to nothing to video. That tool worked for me, but I
suppose someone more knowledgeable could recommend a better one.

Hope this helps,

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Thu Jul 16 01:27:02 2009
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:27:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings
In-Reply-To: <4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com>
References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>
	<20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200907160127.02382.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Wednesday 15 July 2009 22:43:46 Ali Afshar wrote:
>
> Buy a Mac!

We have our first volunteer for the EuroPython 2009 "green screen" (or, 
rather, "blue screen") challenge:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/23176450 at N08/3698795189/

I look forward to seeing your work. ;-)

Paul

From aafshar at gmail.com  Thu Jul 16 02:59:20 2009
From: aafshar at gmail.com (Ali Afshar)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:59:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings
In-Reply-To: <200907160127.02382.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr>	<20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com>	<4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com>
	<200907160127.02382.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4A5E7B68.9070604@gmail.com>

Paul Boddie wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 July 2009 22:43:46 Ali Afshar wrote:
>   
>> Buy a Mac!
>>     
>
> We have our first volunteer for the EuroPython 2009 "green screen" (or, 
> rather, "blue screen") challenge:
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/23176450 at N08/3698795189/
>
> I look forward to seeing your work. ;-)
>
>   
  Of course, I meant to say "Buy me a Mac!".

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Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 10:28:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009: Making 50 Mio. EUR per year using
	Python
Message-ID: <4A5EE492.6010506@egenix.com>

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From ntoll at ntoll.org  Thu Jul 16 14:56:04 2009
From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:56:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night
In-Reply-To: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com>
References: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <708E8EA2-0B8F-4E1E-A8F7-04E849B93B5E@ntoll.org>

Guys,

It was good to meet up last night. One of the topics that often came  
up was "we should make this a more regular event". Jonathan also  
mentioned organising a "Code Dojo" - I'll let him explain what that'd  
involve.

So, while the iron is hot: how about a time and place for August..?

Say 7pm, 20th August, starting with a "Code Dojo" / lightning talks  
followed by the pub at the offices of Fry-IT? (Thanks Peter and Marcus  
for volunteering these premises for free):

503 Enterprise House
1/2 Hatfields
London SE1 9PG

Comments, suggestions, confirmations..?

Nicholas.

On 10 Jul 2009, at 10:51, Stephen Emslie wrote:

> Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in  
> regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all  
> of our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank  
> of England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday.
>
> Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope  
> Simon Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more  
> official London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza,  
> etc. so the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal  
> regular meet to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is  
> optional).
>
> Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm
> Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/
>
> In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll  
> display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable.
>
> Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From tartley at tartley.com  Thu Jul 16 15:34:57 2009
From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley)
Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:34:57 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night
In-Reply-To: <24134853.1247749072197.JavaMail.root@n17>
References: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com>
	<24134853.1247749072197.JavaMail.root@n17>
Message-ID: <4A5F2C81.3030606@tartley.com>

Sounds like a fantastic idea, thanks for the prod Nicholas.

Does it make sense to migrate the discussion to the Python UK mailing list?
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk

I'm not well qualified to explain Dojos, but I'll give it a shot. More 
from me on python-uk, later today...


Nicholas Tollervey wrote:
> Guys,
>
> It was good to meet up last night. One of the topics that often came 
> up was "we should make this a more regular event". Jonathan also 
> mentioned organising a "Code Dojo" - I'll let him explain what that'd 
> involve.
>
> So, while the iron is hot: how about a time and place for August..?
>
> Say 7pm, 20th August, starting with a "Code Dojo" / lightning talks 
> followed by the pub at the offices of Fry-IT? (Thanks Peter and Marcus 
> for volunteering these premises for free):
>
> 503 Enterprise House
> 1/2 Hatfields
> London SE1 9PG
>
> Comments, suggestions, confirmations..?
>
> Nicholas.
>
> On 10 Jul 2009, at 10:51, Stephen Emslie wrote:
>
>> Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in 
>> regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all of 
>> our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank of 
>> England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday.
>>
>> Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope 
>> Simon Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more 
>> official London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, 
>> etc. so the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal 
>> regular meet to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is 
>> optional).
>>
>> Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm
>> Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: 
>> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/
>>
>> In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll 
>> display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable.
>>
>> Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 13:10:38 2009
From: sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com (Sorin Sbarnea)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:10:38 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups?
Message-ID: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>

I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to
move the mailing list to Google Groups.

It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the
nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function).

I know, it's not open source, .....
--
/sorin
http://nusunt.eu

From alex at moreati.org.uk  Fri Jul 17 13:31:36 2009
From: alex at moreati.org.uk (Alex Willmer)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:31:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google
	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com>

2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea <sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com>:
> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to
> move the mailing list to Google Groups.

python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups
because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not
sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps
the same could be done.

> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the
> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function).

Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more
newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you
subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some
of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups.

Alex
--
Alex Willmer <alex at moreati.org.uk>
http://moreati.org.uk/blog

From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Fri Jul 17 13:33:04 2009
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:33:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to
	Google	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk>

Alex Willmer wrote:
> 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea <sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com>:
>   
>> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to
>> move the mailing list to Google Groups.
>>     
>
>   

A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more 
spam. The online UI is much nicer though.

Michael
> python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups
> because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not
> sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps
> the same could be done.
>
>   
>> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the
>> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function).
>>     
>
> Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more
> newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you
> subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some
> of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups.
>
> Alex
> --
> Alex Willmer <alex at moreati.org.uk>
> http://moreati.org.uk/blog
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>   


-- 
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From sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 13:39:54 2009
From: sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com (Sorin Sbarnea)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:39:54 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google
	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com> 
	<425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com> 
	<4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk>
Message-ID: <d77cce480907170439t76c9d447r419918b0768b07dd@mail.gmail.com>

I have several mailing-lists under Google Groups and they have two
very nice features:
* protect your email address from spiders
* administrators can moderate every first message from new members -
this does catch all the spam using a little effort from the
administrators, is not a big deal the the first message is not
delivered instantly.
--
/sorin
http://nusunt.eu



On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Michael Foord<michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
> Alex Willmer wrote:
>>
>> 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea <sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com>:
>>
>>>
>>> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to
>>> move the mailing list to Google Groups.
>>>
>>
>>
>
> A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more
> spam. The online UI is much nicer though.
>
> Michael
>>
>> python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups
>> because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not
>> sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps
>> the same could be done.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the
>>> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function).
>>>
>>
>> Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more
>> newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you
>> subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some
>> of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups.
>>
>> Alex
>> --
>> Alex Willmer <alex at moreati.org.uk>
>> http://moreati.org.uk/blog
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>
>
> --
> http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/
>
>

From cs at comlounge.net  Fri Jul 17 14:21:46 2009
From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:21:46 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to
	Google	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <d77cce480907170439t76c9d447r419918b0768b07dd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk>
	<d77cce480907170439t76c9d447r419918b0768b07dd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A606CDA.5000508@comlounge.net>

Hi!

As for newsgroup like reading there is of course gmane.org which can
provide you with an NNTP interface and for a forum frontend there is
nabble.com which works on existing lists as well.

IMHO this usually gives most users one method which should work for them.

Sorin Sbarnea wrote:
> I have several mailing-lists under Google Groups and they have two
> very nice features:
> * protect your email address from spiders
> * administrators can moderate every first message from new members -
> this does catch all the spam using a little effort from the
> administrators, is not a big deal the the first message is not
> delivered instantly.

I don't care that much about it unless I can read and reply to the list
with my normal email address. So far I have not found out how to
actually do this. If somebody can tell me, this would be much
appreciated though. (not though that my normal email address is now
attached to an Google Apps account for my company which seems to add
another layer of confusion to the whole Google authorization system. To
me at least.)

In general I am more for synchronizing different frontends though than
to move the whole thing.

-- Christian

> --
> /sorin
> http://nusunt.eu
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Michael Foord<michael at voidspace.org.uk> wrote:
>> Alex Willmer wrote:
>>> 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea <sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to
>>>> move the mailing list to Google Groups.
>>>>
>>>
>> A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more
>> spam. The online UI is much nicer though.
>>
>> Michael
>>> python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups
>>> because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not
>>> sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps
>>> the same could be done.
>>>
>>>
>>>> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the
>>>> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function).
>>>>
>>> Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more
>>> newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you
>>> subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some
>>> of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups.
>>>
>>> Alex
>>> --
>>> Alex Willmer <alex at moreati.org.uk>
>>> http://moreati.org.uk/blog
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>> EuroPython at python.org
>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


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From sparks.m at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 18:13:20 2009
From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:13:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google
	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com>

On Friday 17 July 2009 12:33:04 Michael Foord wrote:
> A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more
> spam. The online UI is much nicer though.
>
> Michael

You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though.
You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post without
moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. You can
also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is moderated,
and finally you can also delete spam.

If that happened, I'd suggest that a small collection of volunteers
were in place to do the moderation. We do this on the kamaelia list,
which is people don't tend to see spam there.

I also think spammers tend to target lists that post spam, AFAICT.

That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google
groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made
sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-)

Also, unlike python.org, google groups doesn't reject my normal mailer
(kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying attention to
the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to python.org,
since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.)

That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea.

Regards,


Michael.
-- 
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http://twitter.com/kamaelian
http://www.kamaelia.org/Home

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Fri Jul 17 21:48:32 2009
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:48:32 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google
	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Friday 17 July 2009 18:13:20 Michael Sparks wrote:
>
> You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though.
> You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post without
> moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. You can
> also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is moderated,
> and finally you can also delete spam.

I administer a Google group in this fashion, but it took a while for Google to 
implement what I would call an optimal solution: someone joins and tries to 
spam; I have a button labelled "spam" that I can press and it not only 
deletes the message but also bans the person.

> That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google
> groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made
> sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-)

I use Google Groups to read newsgroups and, well, Google discussion groups. 
However, I like the Mailman stuff, and the Web archives are very clean and 
readable with only slight problems with non-plain text or non-standard 
messages that appear once in a while. Also, anyone can download the archives 
for this and other lists from python.org which might be a problem for some 
people with regard to spam, but it gives a degree of flexibility and data 
portability that I don't think you get with Google.

> Also, unlike python.org, google groups doesn't reject my normal mailer
> (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying attention to
> the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to python.org,
> since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.)

Is this some kind of blacklisting or greylisting going on? I had problems with 
python.org addresses until it was pointed out that my mail provider wasn't 
following good practices around Internet mail (and my clueless ISP was 
getting itself repeatedly blacklisted). After switching providers I haven't 
had a problem since.

> That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea.

For me it's a -1. They had people in the Openmoko community asking for forums 
and most people were able to live with a Nabble front-end to the list once 
that was set up. I agree with Christian: people can easily set up a front-end 
for python.org lists if they want.

Paul

P.S. Forums can be the absolute worst if searching for stuff on the Internet 
is any indication, often dredging up content-free exchanges accompanied by 
countless animated "avatars" repeated all the way down the page, usually 
portraying some Japanese cartoon hero/heroine, while the participants seem to 
compete on how many animated smileys/emoticons they can include in their 
typically meaningless messages. Let us hope that discussions around 
EuroPython never reach that level!

From bruceteckel at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 21:46:54 2009
From: bruceteckel at gmail.com (Bruce Eckel)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:54 -0600
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google
	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <14e7a2380907171246h7f416b91vad87a7ae142ffa6@mail.gmail.com>

Well, the discussion has gone meta so I'd like to get off the list. If it
was a Google Group I'd know how, but apparently there's some uncertainty as
to whether

Unsubscribe

Works or not.

-- Bruce Eckel



On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:

> On Friday 17 July 2009 18:13:20 Michael Sparks wrote:
> >
> > You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though.
> > You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post without
> > moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. You can
> > also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is moderated,
> > and finally you can also delete spam.
>
> I administer a Google group in this fashion, but it took a while for Google
> to
> implement what I would call an optimal solution: someone joins and tries to
> spam; I have a button labelled "spam" that I can press and it not only
> deletes the message but also bans the person.
>
> > That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google
> > groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made
> > sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-)
>
> I use Google Groups to read newsgroups and, well, Google discussion groups.
> However, I like the Mailman stuff, and the Web archives are very clean and
> readable with only slight problems with non-plain text or non-standard
> messages that appear once in a while. Also, anyone can download the
> archives
> for this and other lists from python.org which might be a problem for some
> people with regard to spam, but it gives a degree of flexibility and data
> portability that I don't think you get with Google.
>
> > Also, unlike python.org, google groups doesn't reject my normal mailer
> > (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying attention to
> > the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to python.org,
> > since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.)
>
> Is this some kind of blacklisting or greylisting going on? I had problems
> with
> python.org addresses until it was pointed out that my mail provider wasn't
> following good practices around Internet mail (and my clueless ISP was
> getting itself repeatedly blacklisted). After switching providers I haven't
> had a problem since.
>
> > That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea.
>
> For me it's a -1. They had people in the Openmoko community asking for
> forums
> and most people were able to live with a Nabble front-end to the list once
> that was set up. I agree with Christian: people can easily set up a
> front-end
> for python.org lists if they want.
>
> Paul
>
> P.S. Forums can be the absolute worst if searching for stuff on the
> Internet
> is any indication, often dredging up content-free exchanges accompanied by
> countless animated "avatars" repeated all the way down the page, usually
> portraying some Japanese cartoon hero/heroine, while the participants seem
> to
> compete on how many animated smileys/emoticons they can include in their
> typically meaningless messages. Let us hope that discussions around
> EuroPython never reach that level!
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
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From michael at voidspace.org.uk  Fri Jul 17 21:48:51 2009
From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:48:51 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to
	Google	Groups?
In-Reply-To: <14e7a2380907171246h7f416b91vad87a7ae142ffa6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d77cce480907170410j1c160fal4be1a06fcd9d5f8c@mail.gmail.com>	<20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com>	<200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<14e7a2380907171246h7f416b91vad87a7ae142ffa6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A60D5A3.1060502@voidspace.org.uk>

Bruce Eckel wrote:
> Well, the discussion has gone meta so I'd like to get off the list. If 
> it was a Google Group I'd know how, but apparently there's some 
> uncertainty as to whether
>
> Unsubscribe
>
> Works or not.
>

It doesn't - but following the link at the bottom of the email should 
allow you to unsubscribe.

Michael

> -- Bruce Eckel
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk 
> <mailto:paul at boddie.org.uk>> wrote:
>
>     On Friday 17 July 2009 18:13:20 Michael Sparks wrote:
>     >
>     > You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though.
>     > You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post
>     without
>     > moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated.
>     You can
>     > also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is
>     moderated,
>     > and finally you can also delete spam.
>
>     I administer a Google group in this fashion, but it took a while
>     for Google to
>     implement what I would call an optimal solution: someone joins and
>     tries to
>     spam; I have a button labelled "spam" that I can press and it not only
>     deletes the message but also bans the person.
>
>     > That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google
>     > groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made
>     > sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-)
>
>     I use Google Groups to read newsgroups and, well, Google
>     discussion groups.
>     However, I like the Mailman stuff, and the Web archives are very
>     clean and
>     readable with only slight problems with non-plain text or non-standard
>     messages that appear once in a while. Also, anyone can download
>     the archives
>     for this and other lists from python.org <http://python.org> which
>     might be a problem for some
>     people with regard to spam, but it gives a degree of flexibility
>     and data
>     portability that I don't think you get with Google.
>
>     > Also, unlike python.org <http://python.org>, google groups
>     doesn't reject my normal mailer
>     > (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying
>     attention to
>     > the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to
>     python.org <http://python.org>,
>     > since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.)
>
>     Is this some kind of blacklisting or greylisting going on? I had
>     problems with
>     python.org <http://python.org> addresses until it was pointed out
>     that my mail provider wasn't
>     following good practices around Internet mail (and my clueless ISP was
>     getting itself repeatedly blacklisted). After switching providers
>     I haven't
>     had a problem since.
>
>     > That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea.
>
>     For me it's a -1. They had people in the Openmoko community asking
>     for forums
>     and most people were able to live with a Nabble front-end to the
>     list once
>     that was set up. I agree with Christian: people can easily set up
>     a front-end
>     for python.org <http://python.org> lists if they want.
>
>     Paul
>
>     P.S. Forums can be the absolute worst if searching for stuff on
>     the Internet
>     is any indication, often dredging up content-free exchanges
>     accompanied by
>     countless animated "avatars" repeated all the way down the page,
>     usually
>     portraying some Japanese cartoon hero/heroine, while the
>     participants seem to
>     compete on how many animated smileys/emoticons they can include in
>     their
>     typically meaningless messages. Let us hope that discussions around
>     EuroPython never reach that level!
>     _______________________________________________
>     EuroPython mailing list
>     EuroPython at python.org <mailto:EuroPython at python.org>
>     http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>   


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http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog



From general.mooney at googlemail.com  Sun Jul 19 12:07:51 2009
From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:07:51 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up!
Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

All the keynotes are now available to download from the wiki

http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks

There are some more recordings from other talks up too.

I haven't yet started on the Lightening Talks yet. I will be trying to
get the scheduled talks up first, and then come back to them.

Ciar?n

From funthyme at gmail.com  Sun Jul 19 12:10:49 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:10:49 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up!
In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0907190310n963654bm23537bb9385d1482@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Ciar?n

John
--


2009/7/19 Ciar?n Mooney <general.mooney at googlemail.com>

> Hi,
>
> All the keynotes are now available to download from the wiki
>
> http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks
>
> There are some more recordings from other talks up too.
>
> I haven't yet started on the Lightening Talks yet. I will be trying to
> get the scheduled talks up first, and then come back to them.
>
> Ciar?n
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
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From kitblake at infrae.com  Sun Jul 19 12:11:33 2009
From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:11:33 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up!
In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7EA7FAC7-A447-4F17-8378-1B59C5C826F5@infrae.com>

Great work, thanks!

Kit


On 19 Jul 2009, at 12:07, Ciar?n Mooney wrote:

> Hi,
>
> All the keynotes are now available to download from the wiki
>
> http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks
>
> There are some more recordings from other talks up too.
>
> I haven't yet started on the Lightening Talks yet. I will be trying to
> get the scheduled talks up first, and then come back to them.
>
> Ciar?n
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From christopher.swift at linux.com  Tue Jul 21 06:02:04 2009
From: christopher.swift at linux.com (Christopher Swift)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:02:04 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up!
In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <223466ab0907202102xacb40das2ea0857f184e9a76@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ciar?n, I've been looking forward to these!

Diolch,
Chris

From aljosa.mohorovic at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 01:03:56 2009
From: aljosa.mohorovic at gmail.com (Aljosa Mohorovic)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] conf videos
Message-ID: <87d364ab0907211603u49062c65u34ff2f5883a99195@mail.gmail.com>

are all videos that will be available from conference uploaded at
http://europython09.blip.tv/ or will there be more videos uploaded?
thanks

Aljosa Mohorovic

From mal at egenix.com  Wed Jul 22 11:45:20 2009
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:45:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011
Message-ID: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>

I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals
for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this
and it looks really professional:

http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process

Here's the proposal document for Budapest:

http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view

Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ?

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From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com  Thu Jul 23 10:10:20 2009
From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:10:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011
In-Reply-To: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>
References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <94cd06880907230110p441f94cbjcf9a03414f46fdeb@mail.gmail.com>

2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com>

> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals
> for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this
> and it looks really professional:
>
>
> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process
>
> Here's the proposal document for Budapest:
>
>
> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view
>
> Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ?
>


As i'm preparing the proposal for Italy for EP2011 I can talk, at least, for
my team. This was already the idea emerged from the Open Space we had at
Europython this year between all the potential teams and the EP
organizers... I don't know it the examination will be the same as for the
Plone conference, but IMHO it's suitable.. but I think also that the final
work should go to the Europython society itself as the have the legal the
legal responsability for the event.
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 12:16:53 2009
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:16:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011
In-Reply-To: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>
References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0907230316n40108ddfv79c4cd173755498e@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com>

> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals
> for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this
> and it looks really professional:
>
>
> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process
>
> Here's the proposal document for Budapest:
>
>
> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view
>
> Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ?


It would indeed. We had a session at EP 2009 with groups interested in
holding EP2011/2012 and in fact we'll be following something similar to the
above, although I think it needs to be formalised.

Things that came out of the meeting were

* Any group proposing to hold EP must have helped with the previous
conference at least (ie what was decided at Vilnius 2007),
* Organising a successful local conference would be good start before
running EP,
* We may need to consider how big EP should be and whether it should be
capped in size.

Best wishes,

john
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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Jul 23 12:44:27 2009
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:44:27 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0907230316n40108ddfv79c4cd173755498e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>
	<ff8a32f0907230316n40108ddfv79c4cd173755498e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A683F0B.6060404@egenix.com>

John Pinner wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com>
> 
>> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals
>> for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this
>> and it looks really professional:
>>
>>
>> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process
>>
>> Here's the proposal document for Budapest:
>>
>>
>> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view
>>
>> Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ?
> 
> 
> It would indeed. We had a session at EP 2009 with groups interested in
> holding EP2011/2012 and in fact we'll be following something similar to the
> above, although I think it needs to be formalised.
> 
> Things that came out of the meeting were
> 
> * Any group proposing to hold EP must have helped with the previous
> conference at least (ie what was decided at Vilnius 2007),
> * Organising a successful local conference would be good start before
> running EP,
> * We may need to consider how big EP should be and whether it should be
> capped in size.

I think that the concept you used for EuroPython 2009/2010
really worked out well: that of running a EuroPython instead of
(or in addition to) the regular local event a group organizes.

Anyway, just wanted to point to the Plone proposal papers, since I
found them really well done.

Regards,
-- 
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From mal at egenix.com  Thu Jul 23 12:54:26 2009
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:54:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011
In-Reply-To: <94cd06880907230110p441f94cbjcf9a03414f46fdeb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com>
	<94cd06880907230110p441f94cbjcf9a03414f46fdeb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A684162.5080005@egenix.com>

Fabio Pliger wrote:
> 2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg <mal at egenix.com>
> 
>> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals
>> for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this
>> and it looks really professional:
>>
>>
>> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process
>>
>> Here's the proposal document for Budapest:
>>
>>
>> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view
>>
>> Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ?
>>
> 
> 
> As i'm preparing the proposal for Italy for EP2011 I can talk, at least, for
> my team. This was already the idea emerged from the Open Space we had at
> Europython this year between all the potential teams and the EP
> organizers... I don't know it the examination will be the same as for the
> Plone conference, but IMHO it's suitable.. but I think also that the final
> work should go to the Europython society itself as the have the legal the
> legal responsability for the event.

Sure.

I'd love to attend a EuroPython in Italy one day :-)

>From my own experience with organizing EuroPython 2002 I can just
say that it's important to have a well thought-out concept
written up *before* starting with the organization.

At the time, we didn't have such a concept and as a result
a lot of unnecessary tension built up.

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