From general.mooney at googlemail.com Wed Jul 1 00:45:56 2009 From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:45:56 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote recordings In-Reply-To: References: <6B4C380C-3D0A-4515-806A-E9EA94CE96E9@bcu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3e4e51a80906301545m677c2d42u831c178e0f783345@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'm the "Audio Guy" and yes, I am confident we have a recording of Cory's talk. Check back at the end of the conference, there will be a wiki page with as many as we can get. Also keep an eye on the mailing list. Ciar?n From funthyme at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 00:56:38 2009 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:56:38 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gallery Message-ID: Now up at http://europython.eu/gallery/ linked to from europython.eu home page. Thanks to Steve Hawkes. Upload your pix, best photograph capturing the spirit of EuroPython 2009 wins a prize. 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From stef.mientki at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 14:05:50 2009 From: stef.mientki at gmail.com (Stef Mientki) Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:05:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Computer Simulations In-Reply-To: References: <9faf42330906300921rf3e406dl10f2a5cff4b94cbc@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A4B511E.7040406@gmail.com> cool-RR wrote: > We're gonna have an open space discussion. I wrote it on the board for > 15:30, July 1st. > > Niko: The site http://garlicsim.com just > redirects to the GitHub page. It seems to be working now. looks like a very cool project, so I just downloaded, ran it on different machines, but unfortunately winXP + P2.5 : "inf" not definied fedora 11 + P2.6 : pictures not found I would love to see a movie or animation of the project. (as I'm involved in something similar: http://mientki.ruhosting.nl/data_www/pylab_works/pw_animations_screenshots.html) cheers and have fun, Stef Mientki > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Niko Wilbert > wrote: > > I am very interested in this. Actually I just said in my talk how I > miss such a system :-) > The GarlicSim webpage seems to be currently down, I would really like > to learn more about it. > > Cheers, > Niko Wilbert > > > > On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM, cool-RR > wrote: > > Are there any people here who have an interest in any kind of > computer > > simulations? If so, I am interested in showing you my project, > GarlicSim, > > which is a platform for writing, running and analyzing simulations. > > (Simulations of any kind: Physics, or economics, or game theory, or > > whatever.) > > I'm not sure whether I will do a lightning talk on my project, > so in any > > case I'd like to meet you and show it to you, in the hopes that > you would > > want to use it for your simulations, and/or want to participate > in its > > development. > > > > So if anyone is interested, give me a mail. > > > > Ram Rachum. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > > > > > -- > Sincerely, > Ram Rachum > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From chef at ghum.de Wed Jul 1 12:13:50 2009 From: chef at ghum.de (Massa, Harald Armin) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 12:13:50 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] actual list of submitted lightning talks Message-ID: is available at http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rdo-GNxgaN0eYhsUHUq6vsA&output=html best wishes, Harald -- GHUM Harald Massa persuadere et programmare Harald Armin Massa Spielberger Stra?e 49 70435 Stuttgart 0173/9409607 no fx, no carrier pigeon - LASIK good, steroids bad? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparks.m at gmail.com Wed Jul 1 08:48:20 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 07:48:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Keynote recordings In-Reply-To: <6B4C380C-3D0A-4515-806A-E9EA94CE96E9@bcu.ac.uk> References: <6B4C380C-3D0A-4515-806A-E9EA94CE96E9@bcu.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20e5c9660906302348hab61f0eiea6ba3c290dd78b0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Jamie Bullock wrote: > Do you know if the keynotes are being recorded (audio or video) and if they > will be made available at all? I'm particularly interested in the Cory > Doctorow one which I missed today. I'm doing videos of the talks I'm in, so Cory's keynote was recorded, and the other keynotes will be too. The videos will start being available either just before the end of the conference or just after. Regards, Michael -- http://yeoldeclue.com/blog http://twitter.com/kamaelian http://www.kamaelia.org/Home From russel.winder at concertant.com Thu Jul 2 09:11:11 2009 From: russel.winder at concertant.com (Russel Winder) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 08:11:11 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Collaborating on Pythyonic parallelism Message-ID: <1246518671.5649.16.camel@launcelot.russel.org.uk> After my session on Tuesday and my comments in David Jones' session yesterday some people have come up to me to indicate that there is a feeling that a collaborative effort to extend and improve Python's support for parallelism would be a good thing. There are already a couple of libraries presenting CSP, a package or two doing Actor model and one or two addressing dataflow. Add to this the multiprocessing package already in Python, and Parallel Python. And, of course, SciPy and NumPy. I have basically agreed with people to see if an effort can be made to really drive this on so that Python is front and centre and not left behind in the brave new world of endemic parallelism. If you want to get involved please either catch me today at EuroPython and give me a card or piece of paper with your contact details, or email me. Thanks. -- Russel. ============================================================================= Dr Russel Winder Partner xmpp: russel at russel.org.uk Concertant LLP t: +44 20 7585 2200, +44 20 7193 9203 41 Buckmaster Road, f: +44 8700 516 084 voip: sip:russel.winder at ekiga.net London SW11 1EN, UK m: +44 7770 465 077 skype: russel_winder -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, sorry for the inconvenience, Gregor From cdent at peermore.com Thu Jul 2 10:58:28 2009 From: cdent at peermore.com (Chris Dent) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 09:58:28 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Additional TiddlyWeb Information Message-ID: <728EA215-A4D2-4E0A-8C31-3A71EA388CF6@peermore.com> Sorry for the spam but: I've been told that my lack of slides in yesterday's lightning talk for TiddlyWeb meant I failed to deliver its unique selling point or secret sauce so it's been suggested that I point to the slides: http://tws5.peermore.com/wiki/recipes/do/tiddlers.s5 Those are the slides I was going to show. There are additional (very rough draft) slides at: http://tws5.peermore.com/wiki/ which cover some of the history, philosophy and technical details of the system. Those slides are delivered from TiddlyWeb using the selling point, which are something called recipes which dynamically select stuff. Please don't respond to this list if you have questions about all this stuff, contact me directly or go to the tiddlyweb google group. Thanks. From marius at gedmin.as Thu Jul 2 11:14:05 2009 From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 10:14:05 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Sprint venue Message-ID: <20090702091405.GA24081@platonas> http://wiki.europython.eu/Sprints currently says this about the sprint venue: "After the Conference, Friday 3rd July for two days, at the CBSO Centre, Berkley Street - 7 minutes walk from the Conservatoire and 3 minutes from the Premier Inn. " I've heard rumours that the plans have changed and the sprints were moved to the Conservatoire (since the Internet connection at CBSO is too puny or something like that). Can somebody confirm and update the sprint page? (I tried to do that, got a "bad TextCha, tried to login with a username/password from some previous year, was rejected, gave up.) 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In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660906301306o7cec3be8sd8b05f557d5a9bf8@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e5c9660906301306o7cec3be8sd8b05f557d5a9bf8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090702123646.GA18682@fatdrop.co.uk> Heya, On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 09:06:52PM +0100, Michael Sparks wrote: > Hi, > > > I've had a few people mention that wished they'd been able to make the > tutorial on sunday, but weren't arriving until later, and want to > gauge if there's interest from anyone in attending an open space > session on kamaelia, cherry picking parts of the tutorial? > Walkthrough, discussion or people interested in cannibalising it for > other stuff ? (Not the full tutorial obviously, though, that'd be > crazy :-) > > If there is any, I'll put a session up. there's a lot here. thanks Spike -- "Behind a great man there's always a great backpack" - B. From lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl Thu Jul 2 15:20:39 2009 From: lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Langa?=) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 14:20:39 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython Gallery In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Wiadomo?? napisana w dniu 2009-06-30, o godz. 23:56, przez John Pinner: > Upload your pix, best photograph capturing the spirit of EuroPython > 2009 wins a prize. > How do you determine the author? :> -- Best regards, ?ukasz Langa Senior Developer tel: +48 791 080 144 skype: lukaszlanga -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Please upload them there to share them with the world (and e.g. RobotFramework already got more then 340 views there). You later will also be able to add the recorded audio to make it a narrated slideshow, might be the next best thing after video. So please help to spread the word! -- Christian -- Christian Scholz Homepage: http://comlounge.net COM.lounge GmbH blog: http://mrtopf.de/blog Hanbrucher Str. 33 Skype: HerrTopf 52064 Aachen Video Blog: http://comlounge.tv Tel: +49 241 400 730 0 E-Mail cs at comlounge.net Fax: +49 241 979 00 850 IRC: MrTopf, Tao_T neuer Podcast: Der OpenWeb-Podcast (http://openwebpodcast.de) new podcast: Data Without Borders (http://datawithoutborders.net) From marius at gedmin.as Thu Jul 2 16:22:48 2009 From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 15:22:48 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Making the sllides available Message-ID: <20090702142248.GA27901@platonas> John keeps saying that this is a community conference and if we're missing something, it's because we haven't done it. What do I need to do to make talk slides downloadable from the conference timetable page? 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" > > I've heard rumours that the plans have changed and the sprints were > moved to the Conservatoire (since the Internet connection at CBSO is too > puny or something like that). > > Can somebody confirm and update the sprint page? (I tried to do that, > got a "bad TextCha, tried to login with a username/password from some > previous year, was rejected, gave up.) Laura Creighton and Alex Willmer both confirmed the information and I updated the wiki page (after re-creating a wiki account and noticing the well-hidden text captcha on the edit pages). Marius Gedminas -- Despite all appearances, your boss is a thinking, feeling, human being. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Thanks, Ralph From chambon.pascal at gmail.com Thu Jul 2 17:44:52 2009 From: chambon.pascal at gmail.com (Pascal Chambon) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:44:52 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Help need with little c++/swig problem In-Reply-To: <4A4CC5A0.9080602@web.de> References: <4A4CC5A0.9080602@web.de> Message-ID: <4A4CD5F4.5010604@gmail.com> It sounds to me like a problem with C++->python polymorphism, i.e you need to use Swig's "director" feature. I'm available this evening and tomorrow, if help needed ; shall we meet in the open-spacfe (band room) after teh clusing of teh conference ? ++ Pascal Ralph Heinkel a ?crit : > Hi there, > > is there anybody around today/tomorrow with a little bit more insight > into swig than I have? > > I have an abstract c++ class, wrapped into swig. I get an subclass of > it in python, make an instance of it, and pass it to another c++ > function (also wrapped in swig) which accepts instances of the > abstract original c++ class as an argument. But here swig barfs at it. > I have a little example with me, some 20 lines of code. If anybody > could help me with this this would be great. > > Thanks, > > Ralph > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From luke.leighton at googlemail.com Thu Jul 2 18:28:19 2009 From: luke.leighton at googlemail.com (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:28:19 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] pyjamas-desktop now working with hulahop (XUL / gecko) Message-ID: folks, hi, as promised i've managed to get pyjamas-desktop to work with python-hulahop as well as pywebkitgtk. the reasons for this are quite simple: apple's intransigence over accepting the glib/gobject bindings to webkit are holding everything up. now, you can do "apt-get install hulahop python-xpcom" and go. i have to add support for XMLHttpRequest event listeners (AJAX) and then i reckon it's pretty much done. i was very surprised at how quickly it was possible to port to XULrunner. if anyone would like to try running the examples or their application as a desktop app then you simply install python-xpcom and hulahop, and then do ../../bin/pyjdrun .html and that's it, it should start as a pure python application (not a javascript app in the browser). any issues come and get me, i'm down in the open area near the musical instruments in the cabinets (the area where wireless doesn't work) or just round the corner from there, in the corridor. l. From orestis at orestis.gr Thu Jul 2 19:18:15 2009 From: orestis at orestis.gr (Orestis Markou) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 18:18:15 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Pub tonight? Message-ID: <8156B3C1-E4F8-4D95-98A1-732F6734D928@orestis.gr> I'm wondering if people who will stay around fo the sprints have any plans for drinks/food/hacking tonight? Orestis -- orestis.gr From Achim.Domma at syynx.de Thu Jul 2 19:15:15 2009 From: Achim.Domma at syynx.de (Domma, Achim) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:15:15 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Bletchley Park Message-ID: <71D1E56DE414B5448EA89A6FA52FF9DCAC69DFCD@syynx83.collexis.local> Hi, as we stay at Birmingham until Sunday morning, we will have a trip to Bletchley Park tomorrow. Anybody interested in joining us? cheers, Achim From fiona at myrmidonprocess.com Fri Jul 3 00:26:06 2009 From: fiona at myrmidonprocess.com (Fiona Burrows) Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2009 23:26:06 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Information about my pygame-fenix library. Message-ID: <4A4D33FE.1010701@myrmidonprocess.com> Hey all, I gave a lightning talk about my game library called pygame-fenix. However I neglected to tell people how to get to it. (do'h) A few people had approached me asking where they could find it. So since I'm not at the sprints this weekend I'll leave info here for anyone else who didn't get chance to ask me. The project does not have an official website (yet) and purely exists as a repository on github at this time. There are a few basic examples and a short explanation. The library itself has sporadic docstrings and I plan on having a sprint of myself in the near future to fix this situation as it did seem that I'm not ethe only one who may have a use for it. The repository lives at http://www.github.com/Fiona/pygame-fenix/ If anyone wants to contact me anymore about it then feel free to e-mail me so as to not clog this list. Fiona (By the way I am completely aware that this is going well over my allotted 5 minutes - but I'm a born rebel!) From alan at xhaus.com Fri Jul 3 02:10:42 2009 From: alan at xhaus.com (Alan Kennedy) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 01:10:42 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Underpass warning. Message-ID: <4a951aa00907021710h5db4979fk24ad1b8cec9b3338@mail.gmail.com> Hi all, I'm staying at the Etap hotel, and have walked through the underpass (i.e. tunnel under the road) in front of the hotel each evening on the way home from the Europython venue. This evening, about 10 minutes after I arrived back at the hotel, some poor man was assaulted in the same underpass as I had just walked through 10 mins previously. He was on his way home from a club (not Europython), and five "yoofs" attacked him, punched him in the face, and broke a bottle over his head. I heard this from the one of the people at the Etap, who was explaining to us why an ambulance had turned up at the hotel. The advice he gave was "Do NOT walk through the underpasses after 7pm, it's just not safe. After 7pm, stay overground: there's better visibility and monitoring". I thought it was important to relay this advice to ye all: don't walk through the underpasses alone: if you must use them, do so in groups. Regards, Alan. From general.mooney at googlemail.com Fri Jul 3 11:47:54 2009 From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 10:47:54 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Making the sllides available In-Reply-To: <20090702142248.GA27901@platonas> References: <20090702142248.GA27901@platonas> Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907030247x3116cd5ctc4292e20e674b2fb@mail.gmail.com> Hi, > What do I need to do to make talk slides downloadable from the conference > timetable page? For a start you could upload your talk to the wiki, with a sensible name. http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials Then you are best contacting Zeth as he seems to be the "web guy" usually. I'm sure someone will correct me if I am wrong. The next alternative is to create a wiki table on the wiki, with internal links to the slides already uploaded. Ciar?n From drj at pobox.com Fri Jul 3 12:39:10 2009 From: drj at pobox.com (David Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 11:39:10 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tony Hoare's slides Message-ID: <946bff870907030339y615a6f7em561cddfccb48abcb@mail.gmail.com> I know these appeared on a stick in the hands on a conference organiser at some point, is it possible to put those slides on the wiki please? Great conference, good work all round. Cheers, drj From sparks.m at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 13:02:47 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 12:02:47 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Videos of talks now being transcoded Message-ID: <20e5c9660907030402u4360e4b5tb1057ddcce9aeb29@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Just a note for those interested, I've set my transcoding stuff off, and will be putting them up as soon as that's done - from the view of release early, release often. Or as r0ml Lefkowitz puts it "get the crap out there, and then refine" :-) My estimation is that it will take a day or 2 (solid) to transcode the whole lot. (looking at the rate of transcode) This means it'll be uneditted, etc. The talks & tutorials I've got as videos are as follows: Be Afraid Bletchley Park Keynote Bruce Eckel Keynote Collaborations In Healthcare Cory Doctorow Keynote Distributed Version Control Systems Django "not cows doing space travel" Django widget for large selections Europython - Guido Europython Kamaelia Tutorial Europython test Europython Welcome Euro Sci Py Filterpype (session) Filterpype (lightning talk) gSculpt 3d modeller Guido keynote nearly Hack like an evil overlord Help tiddly web unintentional web data store Internet surveillance and censorship Jacob Hallen political activism Making money with python Nagare Web Framework Not crashing a car Psyco v2 lightning talk PyCharm intellij plugin Pygtk tutorial Pytest tutorial Python and Excel Python and Java Python and Nuke Python app at CWI Python as a platform for teaching maths Python Community Germany Python for numerical science Python system information QCake 3d game maker and python Reducing database load by fifty percent Reimplementating the google app engine RJDJ realitymorph Self Services Terminals Steve Holden After Dinner Talk (v shakeycam, probably just use the audio) Steve Holden PSF and Us Keynote The Cloud in Five Tony Hoare Keynote TPS reports in django Turbo Gears meets cubic web Turtles in cairo Twotp Twisted OTP Erlang from python Using python to make 50 million per year Visualising egg dependencies Windmill testing Writing games pygame-fenix Writing usb drivers using python Xapian They're originally captured at 720p30 for those curious, at a rate of 4GB per 54-57 minutes. Tools used for this are, for those interested in doing it themselves: * A small HD camcorder that records to SD cards, borrowed from BBC Backstage. (Ian F and I share an office) (Model for the curious: Sanyo XACTI, VPC-HD 1000EX BK) * My laptop (couple of years old) * External 500GB HD * 3x 4GB SD Cards, which needed switching often (many of the talks above are in multiple files) * 4way gang socket (to keep everything powered) * A second hand tripod. * I *didn't* use the microphone I had with me due to a horrible hum it introduced. Aside from the camera, everything else is just personal stuff, so if you're wondering "can I do this?", you probably can, especially given it's all consumer rather than pro kit. (Also, I was on foot/public transport - never learnt to drive, so if you're wondering "Can I carry all that stuff around", the answer is certainly yes. Help from anyone would be appreciated though next time) Regarding Steve Holden's after dinner talk, I will probably ditch the video part of that and leave it as just audio, simply because the video is _so_ shakey. (I left the tripod behind) Anyway, talks will start going up as soon as they're transcoded. Once there's more than a handful there, I'll post a link, and there'll be a link here as well: Would love to be at the sprints, but I'm back at work... Anyway, just thought an update might be appreciated :-) Michael From r.taylor at bcs.org.uk Fri Jul 3 14:17:03 2009 From: r.taylor at bcs.org.uk (Richard Taylor) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 13:17:03 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tell us about your blog. Message-ID: <4d176b4c0907030517k3f370204td2be4b57c8d8e402@mail.gmail.com> Hi If you are blogging about EuroPython 2009 please add a link on http://wiki.europython.eu/After Thanks Richard -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From drj at pobox.com Fri Jul 3 15:19:23 2009 From: drj at pobox.com (David Jones) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 14:19:23 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Tony Hoare's slides In-Reply-To: References: <946bff870907030339y615a6f7em561cddfccb48abcb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <946bff870907030619m3f4861f7pafdf9b3e9d377c34@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/3 John Pinner : > Hi, > > 2009/7/3 David Jones >> >> I know these appeared on a stick in the hands on a conference >> organiser at some point, is it possible to put those slides on the >> wiki please? > > The slides should be on the DVD, maybe you could put them on the wiki if you > have the disk and no one else has done it yet? Ah. What a clueless noob I am. Didn't think of looking on the DVD. Have uploaded Tony Hoare's powerpoint to the wiki now. Cheers, drj From holger at merlinux.eu Fri Jul 3 16:19:10 2009 From: holger at merlinux.eu (holger krekel) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:19:10 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] electronic music in birmingham? Message-ID: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net> Hi, i'd like to go with a few people tonight (friday) to a dancing / club place. Does anyone have an idea on possible places? Or how to find them? current meeting point is 9pm at the Wellington (the "real ale" place). thanks, holger -- Metaprogramming, Python, Testing: http://tetamap.wordpress.com Python, PyPy, pytest contracting: http://merlinux.eu From holger at merlinux.eu Fri Jul 3 17:20:06 2009 From: holger at merlinux.eu (holger krekel) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 17:20:06 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] electronic music in birmingham? In-Reply-To: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net> References: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net> Message-ID: <20090703152006.GH7437@trillke.net> On Fri, Jul 03, 2009 at 16:19 +0200, holger krekel wrote: > i'd like to go with a few people tonight (friday) > to a dancing / club place. Does anyone have an idea > on possible places? Or how to find them? > > current meeting point is 9pm at the Wellington > (the "real ale" place). FYI so far i think there is http://www.woib.co.uk/event.php?eventid=10006960&dateid=8401489 http://www.woib.co.uk/event.php?eventid=10006872&dateid=8401279 that i find interesting. holger > -- > Metaprogramming, Python, Testing: http://tetamap.wordpress.com > Python, PyPy, pytest contracting: http://merlinux.eu > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- Metaprogramming, Python, Testing: http://tetamap.wordpress.com Python, PyPy, pytest contracting: http://merlinux.eu From michael.brunton-spall at guardian.co.uk Fri Jul 3 17:22:21 2009 From: michael.brunton-spall at guardian.co.uk (Michael Brunton-Spall) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 16:22:21 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Bletchley Park In-Reply-To: <71D1E56DE414B5448EA89A6FA52FF9DCAC69DFCD@syynx83.collexis.local> References: <71D1E56DE414B5448EA89A6FA52FF9DCAC69DFCD@syynx83.collexis.local> Message-ID: Hey all, It's worth pointing out for those of you who are still in the UK in a few weeks, that on upcoming there is a Big Geek Day Out at Bletchley Park. (http://upcoming.yahoo.com/event/2912229/) A chance to go visit Bletchley park and meet up with some various other geeks in a totally unorganised way. Michael Brunton-Spall guardian.co.uk 2009/7/2 Domma, Achim : > Hi, > > as we stay at Birmingham until Sunday morning, we will have a trip to Bletchley Park tomorrow. Anybody interested in joining us? > > cheers, > Achim > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > Please consider the environment before printing this email. ------------------------------------------------------------------ Visit guardian.co.uk - the UK's most popular newspaper website http://guardian.co.uk http://observer.co.uk To save up to 33% when you subscribe to the Guardian and the Observer visit http://www.guardian.co.uk/subscriber The Guardian Public Services Awards 2009, in partnership with Hays Specialist Recruitment, recognise and reward outstanding performance from public, private and voluntary sector teams. To find out more and to nominate a deserving team or individual, visit http://guardian.co.uk/publicservicesawards. 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In-Reply-To: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net> References: <20090703141910.GG7437@trillke.net> Message-ID: <94cd06880907031307kae781a9ic568769824003d5f@mail.gmail.com> Hi Holger, On Wednesday we went to Rococo @ Broad St. . It's not playing electronic music but had nice atmosphere, nice people dancing and having fun, nice girls ( if my wife is reading... honey, i really didn't want to go!! But the guys forced me and it was really boring! *LOL* ). Music range was more or less from R&B and HipHop to Dance Bits ( some Old M.Jackson songs and and some house music too... ).. wich is a little bit far from electronic but in case you don't find anything else.. Anyway, hope u guys have fun tonight! cheers Fabio 2009/7/3 holger krekel > Hi, > > i'd like to go with a few people tonight (friday) > to a dancing / club place. Does anyone have an idea > on possible places? Or how to find them? > > current meeting point is 9pm at the Wellington > (the "real ale" place). > > thanks, > holger > > -- > Metaprogramming, Python, Testing: http://tetamap.wordpress.com > Python, PyPy, pytest contracting: http://merlinux.eu > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kitblake at infrae.com Sat Jul 4 10:01:33 2009 From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:01:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks for a great EuroPython 2009 Message-ID: To all the organizers, Thanks for your dedicated and tireless toil. You produced a great conference! Kit et al from Infrae -- Kit BLAKE ? Infrae ? http://infrae.com/ + 31 10 243 7051 From greatred at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 10:16:24 2009 From: greatred at gmail.com (John Beisley) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:16:24 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Thanks for a great EuroPython 2009 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8781a3d50907040116v535a276fl580ab573857bd250@mail.gmail.com> Seconded, well done on a smoothly run conference. I can't begin to imagine how much invisible work must go on behind the scenes that we don't see or appreciate! - John 2009/7/4 Kit BLAKE : > To all the organizers, > Thanks for your dedicated and tireless toil. You produced a great > conference! > > Kit et al from Infrae > > -- > Kit BLAKE ? Infrae ? http://infrae.com/ + 31 10 243 7051 > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- http://greatred.pengus.net/ MSN: greatred at gmail.com Skype: greatred1980 Jabber: greatred at gmail.com, greatred at jabber.org Yahoo: greatred ICQ: 3625931 AIM: greatred1980 "Look to windward" From luke.leighton at googlemail.com Sat Jul 4 16:59:20 2009 From: luke.leighton at googlemail.com (Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:59:20 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] help requested with mozilla dev team: pyjamas-desktop (python-xpcom) blocked by JS advocates Message-ID: folks, hi, at the europython sprint, i made this patch to 2D Canvas in xulrunner today: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=502234 the background is that this is the last piece of the puzzle so that pyjamas-desktop's examples can all work, properly. the last piece is getting SVG 2D Canvas to be accessible so that you can use python to write SVG 2D Canvas desktop applications. basically, i encountered an issue - a design flaw - in the python bindings (with optional arguments). the flaw - the assumption - is that the functions will always be called from javascript, and so the function call arguments (which can in javascript be of arbitrary length) are all accessible inside XUL. by patching XUL, i've made it possible for python-xpcom to gain access to the three most popular (and necessary) arguments of drawImage. already as you can see, one of the mozilla developers has made it clear that he believes that, although the patch may be necessary for pyjamas-desktop and necessary for all python-xpcom applications, they just don't care: Javascript is all that they care about. this would be a bad precedent to let the mozilla developers get away with such arbitrary decision-making, which, taken at face value, basically turns mozilla into a closed proprietary platform. please therefore can i ask people to register on bugzilla.mozilla.org and voice their concerns on the bugreport in some way, so that the python-xpcom technology not be left out, here, by arbitrary and "closed shop" decision making. if you do not voice your concerns, and the patch is not accepted, then you will need to patch xulrunner yourselves in order to utilise python bindings to SVG 2D Canvas, which, i am sure, you would find much more burdensome than just being able to install pre-compiled packages as provided direct from the mozilla dev team. many thanks, l. From tobixen at gmail.com Sat Jul 4 21:28:31 2009 From: tobixen at gmail.com (Tobias Brox) Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 20:28:31 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Museum trip Sunday Message-ID: For those of you still hanging around in Birmingham, czarny is sort of trying to coordinate a museum trip tomorrow. Meet up around 11:10 outside "gas hall" (somewhere on Chamberlain Square / Eden, close to the conference venue). See also http://wiki.europython2009.eu/Socials From adewale at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 10:34:44 2009 From: adewale at gmail.com (Adewale Oshineye) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:34:44 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Don't forget your photographs In-Reply-To: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com> References: <4d176b4c0907030519t23cb1am5ff2c13d8b819b46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3509dd160907050134p660349d5p19e67b6de992eb4d@mail.gmail.com> There is also a EuroPython group on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/groups/europython/ 2009/7/3 Richard Taylor : > Hi > > And don't forget to upload your photographs to > http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/ > > Thanks > > Richard > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > From tobixen at gmail.com Sun Jul 5 10:58:45 2009 From: tobixen at gmail.com (Tobias Brox) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 09:58:45 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] First aid? In-Reply-To: <4A45F2B5.2070002@linux.com> References: <4A452C50.5020901@btopenworld.com> <4A45F2B5.2070002@linux.com> Message-ID: > I think the major risk here is > going to be alcohol poisoning rather than an accident at the university > itself! In the event of an accident, it falls upon the "Disaster > Management" team, which Zeth and I have volunteered for, to handle it, > whether it be a projector dying on us to someone falling over and > breaking their leg (I really hope that doesn't happen)! So what are the stats? How many broken legs and how many serious cases of alcohol poisoning did we end up with? From lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl Sun Jul 5 11:44:06 2009 From: lukasz.langa at stxnext.pl (=?UTF-8?Q?=C5=81ukasz_Langa?=) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 10:44:06 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] First aid? In-Reply-To: References: <4A452C50.5020901@btopenworld.com> <4A45F2B5.2070002@linux.com> Message-ID: Tobias Brox wrote: > how many serious > cases of alcohol poisoning did we end up with? 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(109 photos) Best regards, Gregor > > Thanks > > Richard > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com Mon Jul 6 11:16:50 2009 From: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com (Alex Kavanagh) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 10:16:50 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? Message-ID: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> Hi I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a medium it is remarkably small! I think it may be a female medium t-shirt. Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt? Cheers Alex. -- Alex Kavanagh From fiona at myrmidonprocess.com Mon Jul 6 13:51:19 2009 From: fiona at myrmidonprocess.com (Fiona Burrows) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 12:51:19 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? In-Reply-To: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> Message-ID: <4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com> Alex Kavanagh wrote: > Hi > > I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a > medium it is remarkably small! I think it may be a female medium > t-shirt. > > Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts > left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt? > > Cheers > Alex. > Whoops, I replied to this off list by accident. For everyone elses benefit: YES I have a male t-shirt and it's too big for me - I could not get a female t-shirt in the end because they had gone. E-mail me off list and I'd be happy to swap! From tobixen at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 13:58:16 2009 From: tobixen at gmail.com (Tobias Brox) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:58:16 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? In-Reply-To: <4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com> References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> <4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com> Message-ID: I'm partly to blame for this situation - the ladies shirts got mixed up with the mens shirts, and we only discovered this when most of the shirts had been distributed. From aiste at pov.lt Mon Jul 6 14:01:15 2009 From: aiste at pov.lt (=?UTF-8?B?QWlzdMSXIEtlc21pbmFpdMSX?=) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 15:01:15 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? In-Reply-To: References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> <4A51E537.5070900@myrmidonprocess.com> Message-ID: <2d1f92950907060501q3930fa50p954c00b688778fa3@mail.gmail.com> I've never received mine at all, as I did not want a male one -- too big for me.... 2009/7/6 Tobias Brox > I'm partly to blame for this situation - the ladies shirts got mixed > up with the mens shirts, and we only discovered this when most of the > shirts had been distributed. > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- Aist? Kesminait? Sales and Marketing Programmers of Vilnius +37065636462 www.pov.lt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bigfishinnet at googlemail.com Mon Jul 6 14:35:55 2009 From: bigfishinnet at googlemail.com (Stephen Welch) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 13:35:55 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? In-Reply-To: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> Message-ID: <4A51EFAB.8010107@googlemail.com> Alex Kavanagh wrote: > Hi > > I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a > medium it is remarkably small! I think it may be a female medium > t-shirt. > > Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts > left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt? > > Cheers > Alex. > I always go for the larger size and opt to shrink in the wash :-) Stephen From funthyme at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 17:15:58 2009 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 16:15:58 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? In-Reply-To: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> Message-ID: Hello, 2009/7/6 Alex Kavanagh > Hi > > I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and for a > medium it is remarkably small! I think it may be a female medium t-shirt. > > Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts left, > send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt? > We have a few shirts left, so if anyone is short of one please let me know in the next week and we'll send you one if we have the right size. Best wishes, John -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com Mon Jul 6 17:26:36 2009 From: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com (Alex Kavanagh) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 16:26:36 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] T-shirts - may have got the wrong gender? In-Reply-To: References: <4A51C102.3090009@tinwood.com> Message-ID: <4A5217AC.5040108@tinwood.com> Hi John John Pinner wrote, On 06/07/09 16:15: > Hello, > > 2009/7/6 Alex Kavanagh > > > Hi > > I finally got around to looking at my t-shirt this weekend, and > for a medium it is remarkably small! I think it may be a female > medium t-shirt. > > Can I exchange it, or failing there being no male medium t-shirts > left, send it to someone who wants a female t-shirt? > > > We have a few shirts left, so if anyone is short of one please let me > know in the next week and we'll send you one if we have the right size. Presently, if Fiona wants it, I'm sending mine female black t-shirt to her. If she has a male back medium t-shirt then I'll have hers. If no, do you have any male black medium t-shirts (actually, they are probably polo shirts, but I can't remember if they do or don't have a collar ...) Cheers Alex. > > Best wishes, > > John > -- > -- Alex Kavanagh Tinwood Ltd -- Open Source Information & Communications Solutions Delivering Freedom, Creating Value w: www.tinwood.com e: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com a: 20 Sefton Ave, NE6 5QR, Company No: 5233914 (Eng & Wales), VAT No: GB 874 8669 54 Sorry if you got this by mistake - please accept our apologies; please let us know that this message has gone astray so we don't do it again. Thanks. From q at clocksoft.com Mon Jul 6 18:02:14 2009 From: q at clocksoft.com (Quentin Wright) Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2009 17:02:14 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Post Conference blog entry with Zope emphasis Message-ID: <4A522006.5040101@clocksoft.com> http://www.netsight.co.uk/blog/2009/7/2/zope-mindshare-at-europython From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr Mon Jul 6 18:00:17 2009 From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 18:00:17 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki Message-ID: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> Hello, http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so to my browser. How can I change this? -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances From funthyme at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 18:29:05 2009 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 17:29:05 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki In-Reply-To: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> Message-ID: Hello, 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat > Hello, > > > http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat > is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so > to my browser. > > How can I change this? > I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.) 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URL: From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr Mon Jul 6 19:09:37 2009 From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:09:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki In-Reply-To: References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> Message-ID: <20090706170937.GD16824@volans.logilab.fr> On Mon, Jul 06, 2009 at 05:29:05PM +0100, John Pinner wrote: > I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another > with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. > (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the > authoritative answer.) > > We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to > be marked-up text which we'll convert to html. rst2html will convert to html. I used rst2s5, but it needs the style sheet. Why not link to http://www.logilab.fr/publications/europython2009-cubicweb ? > Thanks for your support again this year! I already thank you there http://www.logilab.org/blogentry/9579 but can do it again here: thanks to the organisation team! :) -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances From R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de Mon Jul 6 19:09:15 2009 From: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de (Reimar Bauer) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:09:15 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki In-Reply-To: References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> Message-ID: <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de> Hi you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin version used to get the mimetype. There are some more with a missing extension. attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER attachment:MOAI Server attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian attachment:Real world App Engine attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later. cheers Reimar John Pinner schrieb: > Hello, > > 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat > > Hello, > > http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat > is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so > to my browser. > > How can I change this? > > I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.) > > We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html. > > Thanks for your support again this year! > > Best wishes, > > John > -- > -- Reimar Bauer Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1) Forschungszentrum Juelich email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH 52425 Juelich Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From kellrott at gmail.com Mon Jul 6 21:43:54 2009 From: kellrott at gmail.com (Kyle Ellrott) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 12:43:54 -0700 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki In-Reply-To: <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de> References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de> Message-ID: I've uploaded Cluster Programming with PIPPER.pdf, to fix the missing extension and update to the version actually used in the presentation. Don't see a 'delete' button to remove the previous copy. Kyle On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Reimar Bauer wrote: > Hi > > you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin > version used to get the mimetype. > > There are some more with a missing extension. > > attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote > attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER > attachment:MOAI Server > attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian > attachment:Real world App Engine > attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat > attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code > > May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later. > > cheers > Reimar > > > > John Pinner schrieb: >> Hello, >> >> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat > >> Hello, >> >> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat >> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so >> to my browser. >> >> How can I change this? >> >> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.) >> >> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html. >> >> Thanks for your support again this year! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> John >> -- >> > > > -- > Reimar Bauer > > Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1) > Forschungszentrum Juelich > email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH > 52425 Juelich > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich > Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 > Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe > Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), > Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, > Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de Tue Jul 7 00:04:38 2009 From: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de (Reimar Bauer) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 00:04:38 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki In-Reply-To: References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de> Message-ID: <4A5274F6.9000203@fz-juelich.de> Kyle Ellrott schrieb: > I've uploaded Cluster Programming with PIPPER.pdf, to fix the missing > extension and update to the version actually used in the presentation. > Don't see a 'delete' button to remove the previous copy. well you need to login. If you log in you are allowed to rename the attachment or to delete one. I have removed the duplicated one. cheers Reimar > > Kyle > > On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Reimar Bauer wrote: >> Hi >> >> you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin >> version used to get the mimetype. >> >> There are some more with a missing extension. >> >> attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote >> attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER >> attachment:MOAI Server >> attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian >> attachment:Real world App Engine >> attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat >> attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code >> >> May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later. >> >> cheers >> Reimar >> >> >> >> John Pinner schrieb: >>> Hello, >>> >>> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat > >>> Hello, >>> >>> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat >>> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says so >>> to my browser. >>> >>> How can I change this? >>> >>> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be able to give us the authoritative answer.) >>> >>> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html. >>> >>> Thanks for your support again this year! >>> >>> Best wishes, >>> >>> John >>> -- >>> >> >> -- >> Reimar Bauer >> >> Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1) >> Forschungszentrum Juelich >> email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH >> 52425 Juelich >> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich >> Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 >> Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe >> Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), >> Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, >> Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From jml at canonical.com Tue Jul 7 06:39:23 2009 From: jml at canonical.com (Jonathan Lange) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:39:23 +1000 Subject: [EuroPython] Bazaar sprint report (was Fwd: Birmingham sprint report) Message-ID: I just sent this sprint report to the Bazaar mailing list. Forwarded here for your reading pleasure. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jonathan Lange Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM Subject: Birmingham sprint report To: Bazaar The first ever Bazaar sprint in the first ever Birmingham is well and truly over. Here's the low-down. Attendees: ?Jonathan Lange (jml) ?Wouter van Heyst (LarstiQ) ?Andy Kilner (gnublade) ?Russel Winder (russel) ?Stephen Emslie (semslie) ?Szilveszter Farkas (phanatic) The sprint went ran on the Friday and Saturday after EuroPython 2009. As you might remember, the goal of the sprint was to work on cool UI stuff: bling, papercuts, little annoying fixes, simple obvious missing features etc. We stuck pretty well to this goal. Here's roughly what got done: ?* Fixed #217031, "bzr launchpad-login -v MYNAME" gives no feedback (jml) ?* Fixed a tilde -> %7E URL translation glitch (gnublade) ?* Released 1.16.1 for OS X & documented how to do it. (szi) ?* Fixed up supported Python version info in bzr (russel) ?* Provided a patch for bug #213185, tag conflicts do not change exit code. ? ?(gnublade) ?* Fixed ugly exception being raised on network error in bug #247958 (jml) ?* Submitted patch for #84659, it's been rejected but the bug has moved ? ?forward. (jml) ?* Updated subvertpy ppa. (LarstiQ) And here are some things that we need your help with, still: ?* Submitted RFC patch for LP API support. Still waiting on replies. (jml) ?* Submitted RFC patch for fixing the URL that remote smart servers suggest ? ?for break-lock. The patch has had replies, but is still waiting on ? ?_something_ -- a firm "yes" perhaps? (LarstiQ) ?* Worked on bug #308472, getting 'info' to show the server version. Not sure ? ?what state the bug is in now, I'm pretty sure Stephen sent a patch. ? ?(gnublade, semslie) ?* I have "#183089 (gnublade)" but I have no idea what that means. Apologies if I've missed anyone or anything. Please correct me if I have! I also cheated a little and submitted a patch to Launchpad which will make the public API way more useful for Bazaar. Some other things: ?* It was particularly exciting for me to see Andy & Stephen dig into the ? ?details of Bazaar and get all the way to submitting patches. ?* It would have been nice to have an easier way of finding easy bugs to fix. ? ?I sent an email to list about it, and I think it's been resolved (when ? ?tagging with 'easy', always explain how to fix the bug). ?* I was a little surprised to notice that people are running Bazaar 1.13 by ? ?default, since that's the version of Bazaar that ships with Jaunty. ?* At the EuroPython conference, Geoff Bache asked me about a patch of his ? ?that has been languishing without review. I couldn't find this patch on ? ?Launchpad or BundleBuggy, but then stumbled across bug 183831. There are ? ?38 bugs that have patches[1]. ?* We had quite a few interruptions from people at other sprints who were ? ?interested in Bazaar or Launchpad. ?* I regularly mispronounced Wouter's name as "Jelmer". I'm an idiot. ?* ?The coffee was terrible and the beer was very tasty. I had a lot of fun. Thanks to the attendees and to the EuroPython organizers. jml [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.has_patch.used=&field.has_patch=on From kitblake at infrae.com Tue Jul 7 07:49:36 2009 From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 07:49:36 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] changing mime type of attachments in wiki In-Reply-To: <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de> References: <20090706160017.GA14926@volans.logilab.fr> <4A522FBB.8000904@fz-juelich.de> Message-ID: <1AF90DBB-356D-4DD5-80D8-D01DD700FAC5@infrae.com> On 6 Jul 2009, at 19:09, Reimar Bauer wrote: > Hi > > you need to supply always an extension. That is in the current moin > version used to get the mimetype. > > There are some more with a missing extension. > > attachment:Bruce Eckel Keynote > attachment:Cluster Programming with PIPPER > attachment:MOAI Server Reimar, thanks for the login tip. I renamed MOAIServer and added the extension. Kit > attachment:Mashing Up The Guardian > attachment:Real world App Engine > attachment:Semantic Apps CubicWeb - Nicolas Chauvat > attachment:coders dojo prepared kata minesweeper finished code > > May be just add the extension and we can rename the files later. > > cheers > Reimar > > > > John Pinner schrieb: >> Hello, >> >> 2009/7/6 Nicolas Chauvat > >> >> Hello, >> >> http://wiki.europython.eu/TalkMaterials?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=Semantic+Apps+CubicWeb+-+Nicolas+Chauvat >> is a text file, but the wiki thinks it is unreadable binary or says >> so >> to my browser. >> >> How can I change this? >> >> I'm not sure of what you *should* do, but I've copied the file to >> another with a .txt extension - semantic_chauvat.txt - and it all >> seems happy now. (I've bcc'd this to a moin developer who may be >> able to give us the authoritative answer.) >> >> We did ask for slides to be in pdf or html format if possible: >> yours seem to be marked-up text which we'll convert to html. >> >> Thanks for your support again this year! >> >> Best wishes, >> >> John >> -- >> > > > -- > Reimar Bauer > > Institut fuer Stratosphaerische Chemie (ICG-1) > Forschungszentrum Juelich > email: R.Bauer at fz-juelich.de > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Forschungszentrum Juelich GmbH > 52425 Juelich > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Juelich > Eingetragen im Handelsregister des Amtsgerichts Dueren Nr. HR B 3498 > Vorsitzende des Aufsichtsrats: MinDir'in Baerbel Brumme-Bothe > Geschaeftsfuehrung: Prof. Dr. Achim Bachem (Vorsitzender), > Dr. Ulrich Krafft (stellv. Vorsitzender), Prof. Dr.-Ing. Harald Bolt, > Prof. Dr. Sebastian M. Schmidt > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From dave at abilisoft.com Mon Jul 6 20:48:12 2009 From: dave at abilisoft.com (David Charles) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 19:48:12 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] unsubscribe Message-ID: <2559EA69B5F24090B758FE83A708493A@dcharlesxppro> David Charles CTO Abilisoft Ltd www.abilisoft.com (T) +44 (0)1525 721 700 (M) +44 (0)7920 582 654 (F) +44 (0)0871 266 4230 From andreas.kaempf at soundience.com Tue Jul 7 11:29:24 2009 From: andreas.kaempf at soundience.com (Andreas Kaempf) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 09:29:24 +0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Bazaar sprint report (was Fwd: Birmingham sprint report) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090707092924.77fddbe1.andreas.kaempf@soundience.com> Thanks for circulating the report, very interesting! It gives some sense of what happens on a sprint, which I've always wondered. I'd like to participate on one in future. Well done all, and best regards, Andreas On Tue, 7 Jul 2009 14:39:23 +1000 Jonathan Lange wrote: > I just sent this sprint report to the Bazaar mailing list. Forwarded > here for your reading pleasure. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jonathan Lange > Date: Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:44 PM > Subject: Birmingham sprint report > To: Bazaar > > > The first ever Bazaar sprint in the first ever Birmingham is well and truly > over. Here's the low-down. > > Attendees: > ?Jonathan Lange (jml) > ?Wouter van Heyst (LarstiQ) > ?Andy Kilner (gnublade) > ?Russel Winder (russel) > ?Stephen Emslie (semslie) > ?Szilveszter Farkas (phanatic) > > The sprint went ran on the Friday and Saturday after EuroPython 2009. > > As you might remember, the goal of the sprint was to work on cool UI stuff: > bling, papercuts, little annoying fixes, simple obvious missing features etc. > > We stuck pretty well to this goal. Here's roughly what got done: > > ?* Fixed #217031, "bzr launchpad-login -v MYNAME" gives no feedback (jml) > > ?* Fixed a tilde -> %7E URL translation glitch (gnublade) > > ?* Released 1.16.1 for OS X & documented how to do it. (szi) > > ?* Fixed up supported Python version info in bzr (russel) > > ?* Provided a patch for bug #213185, tag conflicts do not change exit code. > ? ?(gnublade) > > ?* Fixed ugly exception being raised on network error in bug #247958 (jml) > > ?* Submitted patch for #84659, it's been rejected but the bug has moved > ? ?forward. (jml) > > ?* Updated subvertpy ppa. (LarstiQ) > > > And here are some things that we need your help with, still: > > ?* Submitted RFC patch for LP API support. Still waiting on replies. (jml) > > ?* Submitted RFC patch for fixing the URL that remote smart servers suggest > ? ?for break-lock. The patch has had replies, but is still waiting on > ? ?_something_ -- a firm "yes" perhaps? (LarstiQ) > > ?* Worked on bug #308472, getting 'info' to show the server version. Not sure > ? ?what state the bug is in now, I'm pretty sure Stephen sent a patch. > ? ?(gnublade, semslie) > > ?* I have "#183089 (gnublade)" but I have no idea what that means. > > Apologies if I've missed anyone or anything. Please correct me if I have! > > I also cheated a little and submitted a patch to Launchpad which will make the > public API way more useful for Bazaar. > > Some other things: > > ?* It was particularly exciting for me to see Andy & Stephen dig into the > ? ?details of Bazaar and get all the way to submitting patches. > > ?* It would have been nice to have an easier way of finding easy bugs to fix. > ? ?I sent an email to list about it, and I think it's been resolved (when > ? ?tagging with 'easy', always explain how to fix the bug). > > ?* I was a little surprised to notice that people are running Bazaar 1.13 by > ? ?default, since that's the version of Bazaar that ships with Jaunty. > > ?* At the EuroPython conference, Geoff Bache asked me about a patch of his > ? ?that has been languishing without review. I couldn't find this patch on > ? ?Launchpad or BundleBuggy, but then stumbled across bug 183831. There are > ? ?38 bugs that have patches[1]. > > ?* We had quite a few interruptions from people at other sprints who were > ? ?interested in Bazaar or Launchpad. > > ?* I regularly mispronounced Wouter's name as "Jelmer". I'm an idiot. > > ?* ?The coffee was terrible and the beer was very tasty. > > > I had a lot of fun. Thanks to the attendees and to the EuroPython organizers. > > jml > > [1] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+bugs?field.has_patch.used=&field.has_patch=on > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython ----- www.Soundience.com -- Making sense of complexity From steve at holdenweb.com Tue Jul 7 12:51:42 2009 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 06:51:42 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :) In-Reply-To: <4A52DDE9.3060903@taupro.com> References: <1246306321.6319.183.camel@filipk-desktop> <6523e39a0906300413w17c937cocaef05f9ec3d46ee@mail.gmail.com> <20090701171937.GA16102@amk-desktop.matrixgroup.net> <4A52DDE9.3060903@taupro.com> Message-ID: <4A5328BE.80209@holdenweb.com> Jeff Rush wrote: > A.M. Kuchling wrote: >> On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 07:13:20AM -0400, Catherine Devlin wrote: >>> On the general topic of helping conferences and speakers find each >>> other, that's the intent of this wiki page: >>> >>> http://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonSpeakers >>> >>> ... which, granted, hasn't really achieved critical mass yet. I'd >>> planned to spam all this year's PyCon speakers with invitations to >>> sign themselves up, but... uh. > > I'm not sure I'd say that. Being a speaker at PyCon doesn't mean you > are looking for future gigs or that you speak professionally. I > wouldn't expect everyone who spoke at any Python event to sign up as a > speaker. > > >> Before doing that -- is a wiki the right place for this info? Would >> it be better to use some service that would provide tagging and >> geographical searching? But I have no idea what service would be >> suitable; neither LinkedIn nor Facebook seem right or offer the right >> features. > > A wiki is not ideal but no one has found a site with the features or > legal rules (there are sites for A-class professional speakers) we need. > There have been at least two efforts to sprint on it to create one, > using the Google AppEngine. Both failed to sustain momentum, similar > to how the Python Jobs App died. If anyone tackles this, get the notes > from me. > > The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue > to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic > needs of the community go unmet? "People are busy" while accurate seems > a poor response. > I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-) regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Watch PyCon on video now! http://pycon.blip.tv/ From nickjohnson at google.com Tue Jul 7 13:04:16 2009 From: nickjohnson at google.com (Nick Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 12:04:16 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <2559EA69B5F24090B758FE83A708493A@dcharlesxppro> References: <2559EA69B5F24090B758FE83A708493A@dcharlesxppro> Message-ID: <2cf97a280907070404q5be89d98g9de38d4a434e707e@mail.gmail.com> Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you? -Nick Johnson On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 7:48 PM, David Charles wrote: > > > David Charles > CTO Abilisoft Ltd > www.abilisoft.com > (T) +44 (0)1525 721 700 > (M) +44 (0)7920 582 654 > (F) +44 (0)0871 266 4230 > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- Nick Johnson, App Engine Developer Programs Engineer Google Ireland Ltd. :: Registered in Dublin, Ireland, Registration Number: 368047 From marius at gedmin.as Tue Jul 7 17:40:45 2009 From: marius at gedmin.as (Marius Gedminas) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 18:40:45 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <2cf97a280907070404q5be89d98g9de38d4a434e707e@mail.gmail.com> References: <2559EA69B5F24090B758FE83A708493A@dcharlesxppro> <2cf97a280907070404q5be89d98g9de38d4a434e707e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090707154045.GB9147@platonas> On Tue, Jul 07, 2009 at 12:04:16PM +0100, Nick Johnson wrote: > Is there any mailing list software anywhere where sending > 'unsubscribe' to the _list_ address will unsubscribe you? I think Mailman has an option to intercept and handle administrative commands sent to the list address. Marius Gedminas -- Undergraduates owe their happiness chiefly to the fact that they are no longer at school...The nonsense which was knocked out of them at school is all gently put back at Oxford or Cambridge -- Sir Max Beerbohm (1872-1956) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Does it implements this: http://bash.org/?4281 Chris :-) -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope & Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk From paul at boddie.org.uk Wed Jul 8 00:03:39 2009 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 00:03:39 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :) In-Reply-To: <4A5328BE.80209@holdenweb.com> References: <1246306321.6319.183.camel@filipk-desktop> <4A52DDE9.3060903@taupro.com> <4A5328BE.80209@holdenweb.com> Message-ID: <200907080003.39268.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Tuesday 07 July 2009 12:51:42 Steve Holden wrote: > Jeff Rush wrote: > > > > The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue > > to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic > > needs of the community go unmet? "People are busy" while accurate seems > > a poor response. The saying about the cobbler is something I'd expect Steve to say. :-) > I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a > rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due > to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on > > http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials > > I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets > filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-) I was going to have a few words with you about this at EuroPython, Steve, especially after your talk, but I didn't manage to track you down at the right point. The problem with all these Web-related activities is that people approach them from a "Soviet" perspective and after having wiped the slate clean (or pushed all the toys off the table - choose a metaphor!), the result is usually a top-down solution with very few engaged participants. Meanwhile, a bunch of other people are usually plotting to replace the existing solution with another developed in much the same fashion. The result is a large number of dissatisfied people complaining about everything and anything, in my experience, even if the solution is actually usable and not actively detested by most people. As far as python.org is concerned, there is already a solution that involves a fair number of people: the wiki.python.org part of the site. Just as we see with the EuroPython site, that's where most of the action is, and the sensible thing would be to emphasize it instead of pretending that it isn't a "proper site" and then developing a custom solution that won't be properly maintained. I've recently helped another organisation already using MoinMoin with the behind-the-scenes theme code and useful extensions, and the EuroPython Wiki theme developer has already offered his work for python.org use, so the pieces are already there to use. If Bruce Eckel sees the point of using a Wiki instead of the combination of Sphinx and a version control system [1] - arguably a "developer mindset" take on what some would call a "proper site" - surely there's some merit in going in the direction already shown by wiki.python.org after all. Paul [1] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930 From steve at holdenweb.com Wed Jul 8 00:22:39 2009 From: steve at holdenweb.com (Steve Holden) Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2009 18:22:39 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] [PyCon-Organizers] Speaker wanted! :) In-Reply-To: <200907080003.39268.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <1246306321.6319.183.camel@filipk-desktop> <4A52DDE9.3060903@taupro.com> <4A5328BE.80209@holdenweb.com> <200907080003.39268.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <4A53CAAF.5070802@holdenweb.com> Paul Boddie wrote: > On Tuesday 07 July 2009 12:51:42 Steve Holden wrote: >> Jeff Rush wrote: >>> The children of the cobbler continue to go without shoes, and I continue >>> to have people ask me why if Python is so cool for webapps do the basic >>> needs of the community go unmet? "People are busy" while accurate seems >>> a poor response. > > The saying about the cobbler is something I'd expect Steve to say. :-) > >> I asked much the same question at both PyCon and EuroPython (with a >> rather more positive response at the latter, I might add, possibly due >> to the talk being a plenary). See "ThePSFAndUs.pdf" on >> >> http://wiki.europython2009.eu/TalkMaterials >> >> I believe it's up to the PSF to advertise this need until it gets >> filled. If necessary I'll threaten to have PHP programmers do it ;-) > > I was going to have a few words with you about this at EuroPython, Steve, > especially after your talk, but I didn't manage to track you down at the > right point. > > The problem with all these Web-related activities is that people approach them > from a "Soviet" perspective and after having wiped the slate clean (or pushed > all the toys off the table - choose a metaphor!), the result is usually a > top-down solution with very few engaged participants. Meanwhile, a bunch of > other people are usually plotting to replace the existing solution with > another developed in much the same fashion. The result is a large number of > dissatisfied people complaining about everything and anything, in my > experience, even if the solution is actually usable and not actively detested > by most people. > > As far as python.org is concerned, there is already a solution that involves a > fair number of people: the wiki.python.org part of the site. Just as we see > with the EuroPython site, that's where most of the action is, and the > sensible thing would be to emphasize it instead of pretending that it isn't > a "proper site" and then developing a custom solution that won't be properly > maintained. I've recently helped another organisation already using MoinMoin > with the behind-the-scenes theme code and useful extensions, and the > EuroPython Wiki theme developer has already offered his work for python.org > use, so the pieces are already there to use. > > If Bruce Eckel sees the point of using a Wiki instead of the combination of > Sphinx and a version control system [1] - arguably a "developer mindset" take > on what some would call a "proper site" - surely there's some merit in going > in the direction already shown by wiki.python.org after all. > > Paul > > [1] http://www.artima.com/weblogs/viewpost.jsp?thread=261930 > > > Paul: Yes, EuroPython was a blast but it went by far too fast! I agree there's a lot to be said for maintaining Wiki content as a group, and much of the Wiki content is successfully being so managed. But if we want to make the web site a portal, then we can't *just* use a wiki. The intent, though, is the same: democratize the web content and try to open up the maintenance task to a wider group. None of this gainsays the work of the existing volunteers, and I am sure that many of them will also have ideas about how the site can be incrementally improved to include dynamic content and much more linkage to community-based and project-based activities not necessarily directly related to core Python development, but nevertheless relevant to the PSF's mission. regards Steve -- Steve Holden +1 571 484 6266 +1 800 494 3119 Holden Web LLC http://www.holdenweb.com/ Watch PyCon on video now! http://pycon.blip.tv/ From gour at gour-nitai.com Wed Jul 8 16:54:46 2009 From: gour at gour-nitai.com (Gour) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 16:54:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] audio recordings & slides Message-ID: <87my7frzrd.fsf@mail.wservices.ch> Hi! I'm interested if audio recordings from Europython '09 are available for download somewhere? 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John -- > 2009/7/3 Richard Taylor : > > Hi > > > > And don't forget to upload your photographs to > > http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/ > > > > Thanks > > > > Richard > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also would like to volunteer to give a little social media intro in next year's welcome talk to tell people which tag to use and what they can do to spread the word about this cool event. And while I am on it, I also would like to thank all organizers for the great conference! :-) (and maybe sometime this week I might even find some time to blog about EuroPython and the futuremusiccamp I attended afterwards) -- Christian > > John > -- > > > 2009/7/3 Richard Taylor >: > > Hi > > > > And don't forget to upload your photographs to > > http://www.europython.eu/gallery/europython-2009/ > > > > Thanks > > > > Richard > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > EuroPython mailing list > > EuroPython at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Christian Scholz Homepage: http://comlounge.net COM.lounge GmbH blog: http://mrtopf.de/blog Hanbrucher Str. 33 Skype: HerrTopf 52064 Aachen Video Blog: http://comlounge.tv Tel: +49 241 400 730 0 E-Mail cs at comlounge.net Fax: +49 241 979 00 850 IRC: MrTopf, Tao_T neuer Podcast: Der OpenWeb-Podcast (http://openwebpodcast.de) new podcast: Data Without Borders (http://datawithoutborders.net) From kitblake at infrae.com Fri Jul 10 07:17:37 2009 From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:17:37 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Cory Doctorow story serialized on Tor.com Message-ID: <9660BDF4-49F3-4333-ABA8-CCE052EA69AB@infrae.com> For Cory Doctorow readers, his publisher "...will be serializing Makers, Cory Doctorow?s upcoming novel, which goes on sale from Tor Books in November. We?ll be serializing the entirety of the novel, with a new installment every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday." http://is.gd/1t9p1 -- Kit BLAKE ? Infrae ? http://infrae.com/ + 31 10 243 7051 From stephenemslie at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 11:51:36 2009 From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:51:36 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night Message-ID: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com> Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all of our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank of England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday. Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope Simon Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more official London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, etc. so the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal regular meet to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is optional). Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/ In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable. Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tartley at tartley.com Fri Jul 10 14:19:53 2009 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 13:19:53 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night In-Reply-To: <14982605.1247219581279.JavaMail.root@n17> References: <14982605.1247219581279.JavaMail.root@n17> Message-ID: <4A5731E9.9050102@tartley.com> I have a single copy of Michael Foord's smashing 'IronPython in Action' book to give away at this London Python meet, for any attendees that have an interest in this marriage of Python with .NET. I promised Michael and his publisher that I'd find a worthy home for one of my two copies. Assuming more than one person is interested, I'll choose some amusing method for deciding who gets the book. If nobody is into .NET, then I'll just have to take it along to the... /London .NET user group meet/! (boo! hiss!) The only condition is that the lucky winner has to write a blog post about it after they read it. (Yes Michael, my own review will be posted within hours!) :-) Jonathan Stephen Emslie wrote: > Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in > regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all of > our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank of > England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday. > > Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope Simon > Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more official > London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, etc. so > the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal regular meet > to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is optional). > > Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm > Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: > http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/ > > In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll > display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable. > > Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- Jonathan Hartley Made of meat. http://tartley.com tartley at tartley.com +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley From me at byron.me.uk Fri Jul 10 18:11:17 2009 From: me at byron.me.uk (Byron Schlemmer) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:11:17 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos? In-Reply-To: <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com> References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17> <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com> Message-ID: <71888cb20907100911q6c9512cfr9295c8c8c6dae729@mail.gmail.com> 2009/6/24 Jonathan Hartley : > Hi Byron, > > We will not be videoing talks, simply because we have not had anybody with > time, knowledge and equipment who has volunteered to do it. > > We do, however, have someone who is able to make audio recordings, and they > have whipped up a handful of eager helpers to cover the multiple rooms, so > we will be doing that. The audio files will need rudimentary editing and > uploading, and hopefully will be up soon after the conference, for FREE! Hi, Audio from the talks up yet? I appreciate this is dependent on someone free time. Just checking I didn't miss the link to them off the site. -- byron From kitblake at infrae.com Fri Jul 10 19:03:19 2009 From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:03:19 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos? In-Reply-To: <71888cb20907100911q6c9512cfr9295c8c8c6dae729@mail.gmail.com> References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17> <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com> <71888cb20907100911q6c9512cfr9295c8c8c6dae729@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D31E1D9-ECFC-4381-88B9-97053F547173@infrae.com> On 10 Jul 2009, at 18:11, Byron Schlemmer wrote: > Hi, > > Audio from the talks up yet? I appreciate this is dependent on someone > free time. Just checking I didn't miss the link to them off the site. The current list is here: http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks Kit -- Kit BLAKE ? Infrae ? http://infrae.com/ + 31 10 243 7051 From cmsdew at googlemail.com Sat Jul 11 20:02:31 2009 From: cmsdew at googlemail.com (Chris Dew) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:02:31 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos? In-Reply-To: <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com> References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17> <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com> Message-ID: I noticed someone setting up a little (SD card?) video recorder on a tripod, just in front of the speaker, at several talks during EuroPython 2009. Does anyone know who this was, and whether the talk videos will be made public? Thanks, Chris. 2009/6/24 Jonathan Hartley > Hi Byron, > > We will not be videoing talks, simply because we have not had anybody with > time, knowledge and equipment who has volunteered to do it. > > We do, however, havesomeone who is able to make audio recordings, and they > have whipped up a handful of eager helpers to cover the multiple rooms, so > we will be doing that. The audio files will need rudimentary editing and > uploading, and hopefully will be up soon after the conference, for FREE! > > Jonathan > > Byron Schlemmer wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Will any videos be taken of EuroPython 2009, specifically the >> keynotes? Will they be made available online, for a nominal fee >> perhaps? >> >> >> > > -- > Jonathan Hartley Made of meat. http://tartley.com > tartley at tartley.com +44 7737 062 225 twitter/skype: tartley > > > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- http://www.finalcog.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparks.m at gmail.com Sat Jul 11 20:32:33 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2009 19:32:33 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 videos? In-Reply-To: References: <30008954.1245840517102.JavaMail.root@n17> <4A420863.6070106@tartley.com> Message-ID: <20e5c9660907111132q4d34f17do1441f14b823ae0e2@mail.gmail.com> On Saturday 11 July 2009 19:02:31 Chris Dew wrote: > I noticed someone setting up a little (SD card?) video recorder on a > tripod, just in front of the speaker, at several talks during EuroPython > 2009. > > Does anyone know who this was, and whether the talk videos will be made > public? It was me, and I'll post a message to the list when they're all transcoded, up and visible - to avoid spamming the list repeatedly. I'm about halfway through, and unsorted at present, and here: * http://europython09.blip.tv/ My favourite is this one: * http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338579/ The reason it's taking time is because the files generated are generally 4GB in size, and blip.tv only accepts files up to 1GB in size. You can find out more details on my blog here: * http://yeoldeclue.com/cgi-bin/blog/blog.cgi?rm=viewpost&nodeid=1246925071 Though I've had to change that script slightly (one line) due to discovering that ffmpeg can create broken files as far as the rest of the world is concerned. That script is however a nice example also of how concurrency can make your life easier rather than harder if you use an appropriate model. (That script maxes out my machine very happily, even though it's written in python, and I'm using a dual core machine) Transcode is happening overnight, and upload is happening when I'm at work. (ie transcode when I'm not using the CPU, and upload at a place with an upload speed 10x faster than home) In case you're wondering why I'm not serving the raw original video - I don't have the space (on a server) or bandwidth to host >80GB of files. Regards, Michael. -- http://yeoldeclue.com/blog http://twitter.com/kamaelian http://www.kamaelia.org/Home From general.mooney at googlemail.com Mon Jul 13 11:34:45 2009 From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:34:45 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks! Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907130234q537cbe9bk1d74ac9c36de8c5@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I have just uploaded 5 more talks to the RecordedTalks page of the wiki http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks Currently 19 talks are up, and we're still processing the rest. Ciar?n From funthyme at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 11:53:33 2009 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:53:33 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks! 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URL: From sparks.m at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 19:00:14 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:00:14 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] All Europython Videos now available! :-) Message-ID: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Just dropping a note to say that all the talks I videoed are now available here: * http://europython09.blip.tv/ As a caveat, I'm going to re-encode the tutorials due to an issue with ffmpeg creating invalid data streams (causing a loss of a/v sync for some of the tutorials, which is a little disconcerting). For those curious, the full list is this: Key Notes ========= Europython Welcome http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338504 Bletchley Park http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338379 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338500 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338498 Bruce Eckel http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338437 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338433 Cory Doctorow http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338470 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338501 Guido Keynote *nearly* ;-) :-) http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338552 Steve Holden - PSF and Us keynote http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351630 Steve Holden - After Dinner Talk (shakeycam) http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351567 Tony Hoare http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338828 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338824 Other Talks =========== gSculpt 3d Modeller http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338555 Windmill Testing http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351628 Making Money with Python http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351505 Python and Java http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338630 Python and Nuke http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338673 rc-filterpype http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338751 RJDJ Reality Morph http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338742 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338749 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338789 QCake 3d Game Maker and Python http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338671 Xapian http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338867 Tutorials ========= py.test Tutorial http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329746 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329747 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329778 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329806 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329876 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329908 PyGTK Tutorial (not as "photogenic" as others, due to its nature) http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329140 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329669 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329711 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329749 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2329748 Europython Kamaelia Tutorial http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2323925 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2327817 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2328583 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2328810 Lightning Talks =============== "Be Afraid" http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2322638 Collaborations in Healthcare http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351370 Distributed Version Control Systems http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338583 Django Widget for Large Selections http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338907 Django - not Cows Doing Space Travel http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351369 EuroSciPy http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338580 FilterPype http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351368 Hack like an Evil Overlord http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338581 http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338579 Help Tiddly Web - Unintentional Web Data Store http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351416 Internet Surveillance and Censorship http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351411 Jacob Hallen - Political Activism http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351402 Nagare Web Framework http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338589 Not Crashing a Car http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351409 Psyco v2 Talk http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351407 PyCharm intelli-j Plugin http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351406 Python and Excel http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351413 Python as Platform for Teaching Maths http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338582 Python at CWI http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351408 Python Community Germany http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351415 Python for Numerical Science http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351403 Python System Information http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351404 Reducing Database Load by Fifty Percent http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338588 Reimplementating (part of) the Google App Engine http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351410 Self Services Terminals http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351446 Service Station http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351442 Using Python to make 50 million per year http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338908 The Cloud In Five http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351444 TPS Reports in Django http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351443 Turbo Gears Meets Cubic Web http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338586 Turtles In Cairo http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351451 TwOTPp Twisted OTP Erlang From Python http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351445 Visualising Egg Dependencies http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351452 Writing Games - Pygame Fenix http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2351447 Writing USB Drivers using Python http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338584 Regards, Michael. -- http://yeoldeclue.com/blog http://twitter.com/kamaelian http://www.kamaelia.org/Home From stephenemslie at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 19:19:46 2009 From: stephenemslie at gmail.com (Stephen Emslie) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 18:19:46 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] All Europython Videos now available! :-) In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <51f97e530907131019hb68f8ebtb2453b32596a1bb1@mail.gmail.com> Thanks so much Michael. This is a great Archive of the event, and now I can seee all those talks I missed. From general.mooney at googlemail.com Mon Jul 13 20:49:01 2009 From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:49:01 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks + Cory Doctorow Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907131149g53b80217n7322b30dc97a443d@mail.gmail.com> Hi, A lot of people would probably like to listen to Cory Doctorow's talk. It is now up on the Recorded Talks wiki page. http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks Ciar?n From sparks.m at gmail.com Mon Jul 13 21:14:48 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:14:48 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] All Europython Videos now available! :-) In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e5c9660907131000i2ddf1659w79aab1b0590e11ce@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20e5c9660907131214i20056012k434edf56c4b42fe3@mail.gmail.com> Hi, This list is slowly getting smaller as some people come forward and say "sorry, I really don't want a permanent record of my talk". Now, whilst there can be lots of views on this matter[1], I'm taking the view that honouring people's wishes (ie their feelings) matters more. I do view it as sad, but I view people being upset as sadder. ( It's generally lightning talks fwiw - most speakers knew we were recording talks, since the proposal form explicitly asked for permission ) [1] My personal one is if you don't want people to report something you have to say which is interesting don't get up, stand in front of 400-500 people and say it.... :-) I would ask though, if you're thinking about asking this, please think twice. I cringe hideously whenever I hear a presentation I've given or see a video of one I've given (I have no idea I talk that fast in that context!). I think we all cringe when we see/hear ourselves. However, I know from seeing other people's presentations that make /them/ cringe are really useful and interesting and provide a different view on the subject than something on slideshare or a blog ever can so that they're worth keeping visible. However, I also understand that some people feel different, and would rather people feel comfortable speaking again at a future point in time, rather than have anyone left upset who contributed by getting up and sharing something they were interested in! :-) As a side note, if you ever don't want a talk recorded, just say, no-one will be offended. If anyone has any q's please do contact me. Regards, Michael. -- http://yeoldeclue.com/blog http://twitter.com/kamaelian http://www.kamaelia.org/Home From david at boddie.org.uk Mon Jul 13 22:48:05 2009 From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:48:05 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] More Talks! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200907132248.06078.david@boddie.org.uk> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:34:45 +0100, Ciar?n Mooney wrote: > I have just uploaded 5 more talks to the RecordedTalks page of the wiki > > http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks > > Currently 19 talks are up, and we're still processing the rest. Thanks for doing this. Now I can catch up on all those talks I couldn't attend in person. :-) David From horst.jens at chello.at Tue Jul 14 08:30:59 2009 From: horst.jens at chello.at (Horst JENS) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 08:30:59 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] python coder for browsergame project wanted (German) Message-ID: <1247553059.3569.6.camel@BigBoss> A friend of me is looking for an python coder to help him with his browser game: www.stellar-legends.de More about the project can be found in this posting: http://www.python-forum.de/topic-19510.html (German) about payment: the project is not yet gone commercial so payment will only come if the project itself make money ... risky and can take a while. The project is already developed by an international community of coders, and in need of a second python coder. for questions, please contact profion at live.de greetings, -Horst -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I suggest to cut out the first 1:40 min http://europython09.blip.tv/file/2338586/ -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances From sparks.m at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 21:13:03 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:13:03 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings In-Reply-To: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr> References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr> Message-ID: <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Nicolas Chauvat wrote: > Hi, > > This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first > 1:40 min You are welcome to provide an editted version, or to provide me with editting tools :-) Otherwise, thank you for the bug report, when I have the appropriate tools I'll apply this suggested fix ;-) Regards, Michael. From aafshar at gmail.com Wed Jul 15 22:43:46 2009 From: aafshar at gmail.com (Ali Afshar) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:43:46 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr> <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com> Michael Sparks wrote: > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 6:05 PM, Nicolas > Chauvat wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first >> 1:40 min >> > > You are welcome to provide an editted version, or to provide me with > editting tools :-) > > Otherwise, thank you for the bug report, when I have the appropriate > tools I'll apply this suggested fix ;-) > Buy a Mac! From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr Wed Jul 15 23:36:47 2009 From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat) Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 23:36:47 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr> <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090715213647.GA19518@volans.logilab.fr> Hi, On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 08:13:03PM +0100, Michael Sparks wrote: > > This talk starts long after the video. I suggest to cut out the first > > 1:40 min > > You are welcome to provide an editted version, or to provide me with > editting tools :-) http://www.logilab.fr/publications/tbcubic.flv apt-get install avidemux http://avidemux.org/ I know close to nothing to video. That tool worked for me, but I suppose someone more knowledgeable could recommend a better one. Hope this helps, -- Nicolas Chauvat logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances From paul at boddie.org.uk Thu Jul 16 01:27:02 2009 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:27:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings In-Reply-To: <4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com> References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr> <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> <4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907160127.02382.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Wednesday 15 July 2009 22:43:46 Ali Afshar wrote: > > Buy a Mac! We have our first volunteer for the EuroPython 2009 "green screen" (or, rather, "blue screen") challenge: http://www.flickr.com/photos/23176450 at N08/3698795189/ I look forward to seeing your work. ;-) Paul From aafshar at gmail.com Thu Jul 16 02:59:20 2009 From: aafshar at gmail.com (Ali Afshar) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 01:59:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] video recordings In-Reply-To: <200907160127.02382.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <20090715170524.GB13231@volans.logilab.fr> <20e5c9660907151213h5a785efesb16b6b3ac233e074@mail.gmail.com> <4A5E3F82.3000001@gmail.com> <200907160127.02382.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <4A5E7B68.9070604@gmail.com> Paul Boddie wrote: > On Wednesday 15 July 2009 22:43:46 Ali Afshar wrote: > >> Buy a Mac! >> > > We have our first volunteer for the EuroPython 2009 "green screen" (or, > rather, "blue screen") challenge: > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/23176450 at N08/3698795189/ > > I look forward to seeing your work. ;-) > > Of course, I meant to say "Buy me a Mac!". 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Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From ntoll at ntoll.org Thu Jul 16 14:56:04 2009 From: ntoll at ntoll.org (Nicholas Tollervey) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 13:56:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night In-Reply-To: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com> References: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <708E8EA2-0B8F-4E1E-A8F7-04E849B93B5E@ntoll.org> Guys, It was good to meet up last night. One of the topics that often came up was "we should make this a more regular event". Jonathan also mentioned organising a "Code Dojo" - I'll let him explain what that'd involve. So, while the iron is hot: how about a time and place for August..? Say 7pm, 20th August, starting with a "Code Dojo" / lightning talks followed by the pub at the offices of Fry-IT? (Thanks Peter and Marcus for volunteering these premises for free): 503 Enterprise House 1/2 Hatfields London SE1 9PG Comments, suggestions, confirmations..? Nicholas. On 10 Jul 2009, at 10:51, Stephen Emslie wrote: > Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in > regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all > of our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank > of England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday. > > Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope > Simon Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more > official London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, > etc. so the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal > regular meet to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is > optional). > > Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm > Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/ > > In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll > display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable. > > Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From tartley at tartley.com Thu Jul 16 15:34:57 2009 From: tartley at tartley.com (Jonathan Hartley) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 14:34:57 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] London Python Pub Night In-Reply-To: <24134853.1247749072197.JavaMail.root@n17> References: <51f97e530907100251m3cd070aqbe7d1274e468c093@mail.gmail.com> <24134853.1247749072197.JavaMail.root@n17> Message-ID: <4A5F2C81.3030606@tartley.com> Sounds like a fantastic idea, thanks for the prod Nicholas. Does it make sense to migrate the discussion to the Python UK mailing list? http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-uk I'm not well qualified to explain Dojos, but I'll give it a shot. More from me on python-uk, later today... Nicholas Tollervey wrote: > Guys, > > It was good to meet up last night. One of the topics that often came > up was "we should make this a more regular event". Jonathan also > mentioned organising a "Code Dojo" - I'll let him explain what that'd > involve. > > So, while the iron is hot: how about a time and place for August..? > > Say 7pm, 20th August, starting with a "Code Dojo" / lightning talks > followed by the pub at the offices of Fry-IT? (Thanks Peter and Marcus > for volunteering these premises for free): > > 503 Enterprise House > 1/2 Hatfields > London SE1 9PG > > Comments, suggestions, confirmations..? > > Nicholas. > > On 10 Jul 2009, at 10:51, Stephen Emslie wrote: > >> Those at EuroPython in Birmingham showed quite a bit of interest in >> regular London Python meetups. So while it's is still fresh in all of >> our minds, lets do a post-convention debriefing at the Old Bank of >> England pub on Fleet Street next Wednesday. >> >> Ideally, we would like to make this a regular event. We all hope >> Simon Brunning (or someone else) finds the time to reboot the more >> official London Python meetups, with talks + sponsored beer & pizza, >> etc. so the intention here is to provide a relaxed and informal >> regular meet to drink ale and discuss Python (drinking of ale is >> optional). >> >> Time: Wednesday 15 July, from 7pm >> Venue: Old Bank of England Pub: >> http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/66/660/ >> >> In case you weren't at EuroPython but would like to come, we'll >> display the usual can of spam to make us identifiable. >> >> Stephen Emslie & Andy Kilner >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > From sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 13:10:38 2009 From: sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com (Sorin Sbarnea) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:10:38 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? Message-ID: I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to move the mailing list to Google Groups. It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function). I know, it's not open source, ..... -- /sorin http://nusunt.eu From alex at moreati.org.uk Fri Jul 17 13:31:36 2009 From: alex at moreati.org.uk (Alex Willmer) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:31:36 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea : > I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to > move the mailing list to Google Groups. python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps the same could be done. > It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the > nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function). Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups. Alex -- Alex Willmer http://moreati.org.uk/blog From michael at voidspace.org.uk Fri Jul 17 13:33:04 2009 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:33:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com> References: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk> Alex Willmer wrote: > 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea : > >> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to >> move the mailing list to Google Groups. >> > > A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more spam. The online UI is much nicer though. Michael > python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups > because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not > sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps > the same could be done. > > >> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the >> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function). >> > > Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more > newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you > subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some > of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups. > > Alex > -- > Alex Willmer > http://moreati.org.uk/blog > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ From sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 13:39:54 2009 From: sorin.sbarnea at gmail.com (Sorin Sbarnea) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:39:54 +0300 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: <4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk> References: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com> <4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: I have several mailing-lists under Google Groups and they have two very nice features: * protect your email address from spiders * administrators can moderate every first message from new members - this does catch all the spam using a little effort from the administrators, is not a big deal the the first message is not delivered instantly. -- /sorin http://nusunt.eu On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Michael Foord wrote: > Alex Willmer wrote: >> >> 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea : >> >>> >>> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to >>> move the mailing list to Google Groups. >>> >> >> > > A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more > spam. The online UI is much nicer though. > > Michael >> >> python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups >> because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not >> sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps >> the same could be done. >> >> >>> >>> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the >>> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function). >>> >> >> Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more >> newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you >> subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some >> of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups. >> >> Alex >> -- >> Alex Willmer >> http://moreati.org.uk/blog >> _______________________________________________ >> EuroPython mailing list >> EuroPython at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >> > > > -- > http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ > > From cs at comlounge.net Fri Jul 17 14:21:46 2009 From: cs at comlounge.net (Christian Scholz) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:21:46 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: References: <425e93af0907170431g4691f94dxa2ea46d54e47ce6d@mail.gmail.com> <4A606170.2090509@voidspace.org.uk> Message-ID: <4A606CDA.5000508@comlounge.net> Hi! As for newsgroup like reading there is of course gmane.org which can provide you with an NNTP interface and for a forum frontend there is nabble.com which works on existing lists as well. IMHO this usually gives most users one method which should work for them. Sorin Sbarnea wrote: > I have several mailing-lists under Google Groups and they have two > very nice features: > * protect your email address from spiders > * administrators can moderate every first message from new members - > this does catch all the spam using a little effort from the > administrators, is not a big deal the the first message is not > delivered instantly. I don't care that much about it unless I can read and reply to the list with my normal email address. So far I have not found out how to actually do this. If somebody can tell me, this would be much appreciated though. (not though that my normal email address is now attached to an Google Apps account for my company which seems to add another layer of confusion to the whole Google authorization system. To me at least.) In general I am more for synchronizing different frontends though than to move the whole thing. -- Christian > -- > /sorin > http://nusunt.eu > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 2:33 PM, Michael Foord wrote: >> Alex Willmer wrote: >>> 2009/7/17 Sorin Sbarnea : >>> >>>> I don't want to start a flame but I think it would be a good idea to >>>> move the mailing list to Google Groups. >>>> >>> >> A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more >> spam. The online UI is much nicer though. >> >> Michael >>> python-list (the main python mailing list) appears in Groogle Groups >>> because it is reflected as the comp.lang.python newsgroup. I'm not >>> sure how you would request this for the europython list, but perhaps >>> the same could be done. >>> >>> >>>> It's easier to read, has different subscription options and has the >>>> nice feature that you can follow a thread (star function). >>>> >>> Agreed. I understand why it happened, but I wish we had more >>> newsgroups and fewer web forums/mailing lists. As a fall back, if you >>> subscribe to these mailing lists using a Gmail account, you get some >>> of same benefits as if they were available in Google Groups. >>> >>> Alex >>> -- >>> Alex Willmer >>> http://moreati.org.uk/blog >>> _______________________________________________ >>> EuroPython mailing list >>> EuroPython at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython >>> >> >> -- >> http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ >> >> > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Christian Scholz Homepage: http://comlounge.net COM.lounge GmbH blog: http://mrtopf.de/blog Hanbrucher Str. 33 Skype: HerrTopf 52064 Aachen Video Blog: http://comlounge.tv Tel: +49 241 400 730 0 E-Mail cs at comlounge.net Fax: +49 241 979 00 850 IRC: MrTopf, Tao_T neuer Podcast: Der OpenWeb-Podcast (http://openwebpodcast.de) new podcast: Data Without Borders (http://datawithoutborders.net) From sparks.m at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 18:13:20 2009 From: sparks.m at gmail.com (Michael Sparks) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:13:20 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com> On Friday 17 July 2009 12:33:04 Michael Foord wrote: > A downside of google groups is that they suffer from substantially more > spam. The online UI is much nicer though. > > Michael You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though. You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post without moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. You can also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is moderated, and finally you can also delete spam. If that happened, I'd suggest that a small collection of volunteers were in place to do the moderation. We do this on the kamaelia list, which is people don't tend to see spam there. I also think spammers tend to target lists that post spam, AFAICT. That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-) Also, unlike python.org, google groups doesn't reject my normal mailer (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying attention to the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to python.org, since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.) That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea. Regards, Michael. -- http://yeoldeclue.com/blog http://twitter.com/kamaelian http://www.kamaelia.org/Home From paul at boddie.org.uk Fri Jul 17 21:48:32 2009 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:48:32 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Friday 17 July 2009 18:13:20 Michael Sparks wrote: > > You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though. > You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post without > moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. You can > also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is moderated, > and finally you can also delete spam. I administer a Google group in this fashion, but it took a while for Google to implement what I would call an optimal solution: someone joins and tries to spam; I have a button labelled "spam" that I can press and it not only deletes the message but also bans the person. > That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google > groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made > sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-) I use Google Groups to read newsgroups and, well, Google discussion groups. However, I like the Mailman stuff, and the Web archives are very clean and readable with only slight problems with non-plain text or non-standard messages that appear once in a while. Also, anyone can download the archives for this and other lists from python.org which might be a problem for some people with regard to spam, but it gives a degree of flexibility and data portability that I don't think you get with Google. > Also, unlike python.org, google groups doesn't reject my normal mailer > (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying attention to > the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to python.org, > since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.) Is this some kind of blacklisting or greylisting going on? I had problems with python.org addresses until it was pointed out that my mail provider wasn't following good practices around Internet mail (and my clueless ISP was getting itself repeatedly blacklisted). After switching providers I haven't had a problem since. > That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea. For me it's a -1. They had people in the Openmoko community asking for forums and most people were able to live with a Nabble front-end to the list once that was set up. I agree with Christian: people can easily set up a front-end for python.org lists if they want. Paul P.S. Forums can be the absolute worst if searching for stuff on the Internet is any indication, often dredging up content-free exchanges accompanied by countless animated "avatars" repeated all the way down the page, usually portraying some Japanese cartoon hero/heroine, while the participants seem to compete on how many animated smileys/emoticons they can include in their typically meaningless messages. Let us hope that discussions around EuroPython never reach that level! From bruceteckel at gmail.com Fri Jul 17 21:46:54 2009 From: bruceteckel at gmail.com (Bruce Eckel) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:46:54 -0600 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: <200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk> References: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com> <200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk> Message-ID: <14e7a2380907171246h7f416b91vad87a7ae142ffa6@mail.gmail.com> Well, the discussion has gone meta so I'd like to get off the list. If it was a Google Group I'd know how, but apparently there's some uncertainty as to whether Unsubscribe Works or not. -- Bruce Eckel On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Paul Boddie wrote: > On Friday 17 July 2009 18:13:20 Michael Sparks wrote: > > > > You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though. > > You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post without > > moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. You can > > also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is moderated, > > and finally you can also delete spam. > > I administer a Google group in this fashion, but it took a while for Google > to > implement what I would call an optimal solution: someone joins and tries to > spam; I have a button labelled "spam" that I can press and it not only > deletes the message but also bans the person. > > > That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google > > groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made > > sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-) > > I use Google Groups to read newsgroups and, well, Google discussion groups. > However, I like the Mailman stuff, and the Web archives are very clean and > readable with only slight problems with non-plain text or non-standard > messages that appear once in a while. Also, anyone can download the > archives > for this and other lists from python.org which might be a problem for some > people with regard to spam, but it gives a degree of flexibility and data > portability that I don't think you get with Google. > > > Also, unlike python.org, google groups doesn't reject my normal mailer > > (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying attention to > > the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to python.org, > > since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.) > > Is this some kind of blacklisting or greylisting going on? I had problems > with > python.org addresses until it was pointed out that my mail provider wasn't > following good practices around Internet mail (and my clueless ISP was > getting itself repeatedly blacklisted). After switching providers I haven't > had a problem since. > > > That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea. > > For me it's a -1. They had people in the Openmoko community asking for > forums > and most people were able to live with a Nabble front-end to the list once > that was set up. I agree with Christian: people can easily set up a > front-end > for python.org lists if they want. > > Paul > > P.S. Forums can be the absolute worst if searching for stuff on the > Internet > is any indication, often dredging up content-free exchanges accompanied by > countless animated "avatars" repeated all the way down the page, usually > portraying some Japanese cartoon hero/heroine, while the participants seem > to > compete on how many animated smileys/emoticons they can include in their > typically meaningless messages. Let us hope that discussions around > EuroPython never reach that level! > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael at voidspace.org.uk Fri Jul 17 21:48:51 2009 From: michael at voidspace.org.uk (Michael Foord) Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 20:48:51 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] How about to move the mailing list to Google Groups? In-Reply-To: <14e7a2380907171246h7f416b91vad87a7ae142ffa6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20e5c9660907170913h39786f94h9254c73514055b4f@mail.gmail.com> <200907172148.32322.paul@boddie.org.uk> <14e7a2380907171246h7f416b91vad87a7ae142ffa6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A60D5A3.1060502@voidspace.org.uk> Bruce Eckel wrote: > Well, the discussion has gone meta so I'd like to get off the list. If > it was a Google Group I'd know how, but apparently there's some > uncertainty as to whether > > Unsubscribe > > Works or not. > It doesn't - but following the link at the bottom of the email should allow you to unsubscribe. Michael > -- Bruce Eckel > > > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:48 PM, Paul Boddie > wrote: > > On Friday 17 July 2009 18:13:20 Michael Sparks wrote: > > > > You can use google groups in way that suffers from less spam though. > > You can set it such that anyone subcribed to the list can post > without > > moderation and that people outside can post but is moderated. > You can > > also set it such that anyone's *first* post to the list is > moderated, > > and finally you can also delete spam. > > I administer a Google group in this fashion, but it took a while > for Google to > implement what I would call an optimal solution: someone joins and > tries to > spam; I have a button labelled "spam" that I can press and it not only > deletes the message but also bans the person. > > > That said, there are some people apparently who don't like google > > groups for reasons I've not heard well articulated, which never made > > sense to me so I'll leave it to them to articulate :-) > > I use Google Groups to read newsgroups and, well, Google > discussion groups. > However, I like the Mailman stuff, and the Web archives are very > clean and > readable with only slight problems with non-plain text or non-standard > messages that appear once in a while. Also, anyone can download > the archives > for this and other lists from python.org which > might be a problem for some > people with regard to spam, but it gives a degree of flexibility > and data > portability that I don't think you get with Google. > > > Also, unlike python.org , google groups > doesn't reject my normal mailer > > (kmail+exim, etc). (This is the reason I'm really paying > attention to > > the concurrency sig since it was decided to move it to > python.org , > > since it's a PITA to have to use a web mail system to post to it.) > > Is this some kind of blacklisting or greylisting going on? I had > problems with > python.org addresses until it was pointed out > that my mail provider wasn't > following good practices around Internet mail (and my clueless ISP was > getting itself repeatedly blacklisted). After switching providers > I haven't > had a problem since. > > > That said, personally I'm +1 on the idea. > > For me it's a -1. They had people in the Openmoko community asking > for forums > and most people were able to live with a Nabble front-end to the > list once > that was set up. I agree with Christian: people can easily set up > a front-end > for python.org lists if they want. > > Paul > > P.S. Forums can be the absolute worst if searching for stuff on > the Internet > is any indication, often dredging up content-free exchanges > accompanied by > countless animated "avatars" repeated all the way down the page, > usually > portraying some Japanese cartoon hero/heroine, while the > participants seem to > compete on how many animated smileys/emoticons they can include in > their > typically meaningless messages. Let us hope that discussions around > EuroPython never reach that level! > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- http://www.ironpythoninaction.com/ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/blog From general.mooney at googlemail.com Sun Jul 19 12:07:51 2009 From: general.mooney at googlemail.com (=?UTF-8?Q?Ciar=C3=A1n_Mooney?=) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:07:51 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up! Message-ID: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> Hi, All the keynotes are now available to download from the wiki http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks There are some more recordings from other talks up too. I haven't yet started on the Lightening Talks yet. I will be trying to get the scheduled talks up first, and then come back to them. Ciar?n From funthyme at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 12:10:49 2009 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 11:10:49 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up! In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Ciar?n John -- 2009/7/19 Ciar?n Mooney > Hi, > > All the keynotes are now available to download from the wiki > > http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks > > There are some more recordings from other talks up too. > > I haven't yet started on the Lightening Talks yet. I will be trying to > get the scheduled talks up first, and then come back to them. > > Ciar?n > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kitblake at infrae.com Sun Jul 19 12:11:33 2009 From: kitblake at infrae.com (Kit BLAKE) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:11:33 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up! In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7EA7FAC7-A447-4F17-8378-1B59C5C826F5@infrae.com> Great work, thanks! Kit On 19 Jul 2009, at 12:07, Ciar?n Mooney wrote: > Hi, > > All the keynotes are now available to download from the wiki > > http://wiki.europython.eu/RecordedTalks > > There are some more recordings from other talks up too. > > I haven't yet started on the Lightening Talks yet. I will be trying to > get the scheduled talks up first, and then come back to them. > > Ciar?n > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython From christopher.swift at linux.com Tue Jul 21 06:02:04 2009 From: christopher.swift at linux.com (Christopher Swift) Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 05:02:04 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk Recordings : All Keynotes are up! In-Reply-To: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3e4e51a80907190307x48374952n1d062f77427e07a2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <223466ab0907202102xacb40das2ea0857f184e9a76@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Ciar?n, I've been looking forward to these! Diolch, Chris From aljosa.mohorovic at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 01:03:56 2009 From: aljosa.mohorovic at gmail.com (Aljosa Mohorovic) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 01:03:56 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] conf videos Message-ID: <87d364ab0907211603u49062c65u34ff2f5883a99195@mail.gmail.com> are all videos that will be available from conference uploaded at http://europython09.blip.tv/ or will there be more videos uploaded? thanks Aljosa Mohorovic From mal at egenix.com Wed Jul 22 11:45:20 2009 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2009 11:45:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011 Message-ID: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this and it looks really professional: http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process Here's the proposal document for Budapest: http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ? -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 22 2009) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com Thu Jul 23 10:10:20 2009 From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:10:20 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011 In-Reply-To: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> Message-ID: <94cd06880907230110p441f94cbjcf9a03414f46fdeb@mail.gmail.com> 2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg > I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals > for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this > and it looks really professional: > > > http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process > > Here's the proposal document for Budapest: > > > http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view > > Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ? > As i'm preparing the proposal for Italy for EP2011 I can talk, at least, for my team. This was already the idea emerged from the Open Space we had at Europython this year between all the potential teams and the EP organizers... I don't know it the examination will be the same as for the Plone conference, but IMHO it's suitable.. but I think also that the final work should go to the Europython society itself as the have the legal the legal responsability for the event. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From funthyme at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 12:16:53 2009 From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 11:16:53 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011 In-Reply-To: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> Message-ID: Hello, 2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg > I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals > for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this > and it looks really professional: > > > http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process > > Here's the proposal document for Budapest: > > > http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view > > Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ? It would indeed. We had a session at EP 2009 with groups interested in holding EP2011/2012 and in fact we'll be following something similar to the above, although I think it needs to be formalised. Things that came out of the meeting were * Any group proposing to hold EP must have helped with the previous conference at least (ie what was decided at Vilnius 2007), * Organising a successful local conference would be good start before running EP, * We may need to consider how big EP should be and whether it should be capped in size. Best wishes, john -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mal at egenix.com Thu Jul 23 12:44:27 2009 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:44:27 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> Message-ID: <4A683F0B.6060404@egenix.com> John Pinner wrote: > Hello, > > 2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg > >> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals >> for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this >> and it looks really professional: >> >> >> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process >> >> Here's the proposal document for Budapest: >> >> >> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view >> >> Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ? > > > It would indeed. We had a session at EP 2009 with groups interested in > holding EP2011/2012 and in fact we'll be following something similar to the > above, although I think it needs to be formalised. > > Things that came out of the meeting were > > * Any group proposing to hold EP must have helped with the previous > conference at least (ie what was decided at Vilnius 2007), > * Organising a successful local conference would be good start before > running EP, > * We may need to consider how big EP should be and whether it should be > capped in size. I think that the concept you used for EuroPython 2009/2010 really worked out well: that of running a EuroPython instead of (or in addition to) the regular local event a group organizes. Anyway, just wanted to point to the Plone proposal papers, since I found them really well done. Regards, -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 23 2009) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/ From mal at egenix.com Thu Jul 23 12:54:26 2009 From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:54:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Conference Proposals for 2011 In-Reply-To: <94cd06880907230110p441f94cbjcf9a03414f46fdeb@mail.gmail.com> References: <4A66DFB0.6030100@egenix.com> <94cd06880907230110p441f94cbjcf9a03414f46fdeb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4A684162.5080005@egenix.com> Fabio Pliger wrote: > 2009/7/22 M.-A. Lemburg > >> I've just come across an interesting way of getting new proposals >> for conference locations. This is how the Plone folks are doing this >> and it looks really professional: >> >> >> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/plone-conference-2009-selection-process >> >> Here's the proposal document for Budapest: >> >> >> http://plone.org/events/conferences/2009/Plone_conference_2009_Budapest.pdf/view >> >> Would this be a suitable way to find a new location for 2011 ? >> > > > As i'm preparing the proposal for Italy for EP2011 I can talk, at least, for > my team. This was already the idea emerged from the Open Space we had at > Europython this year between all the potential teams and the EP > organizers... I don't know it the examination will be the same as for the > Plone conference, but IMHO it's suitable.. but I think also that the final > work should go to the Europython society itself as the have the legal the > legal responsability for the event. Sure. I'd love to attend a EuroPython in Italy one day :-) >From my own experience with organizing EuroPython 2002 I can just say that it's important to have a well thought-out concept written up *before* starting with the organization. At the time, we didn't have such a concept and as a result a lot of unnecessary tension built up. -- Marc-Andre Lemburg eGenix.com Professional Python Services directly from the Source (#1, Jul 23 2009) >>> Python/Zope Consulting and Support ... http://www.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC.Zope.Database.Adapter ... http://zope.egenix.com/ >>> mxODBC, mxDateTime, mxTextTools ... http://python.egenix.com/ ________________________________________________________________________ ::: Try our new mxODBC.Connect Python Database Interface for free ! :::: eGenix.com Software, Skills and Services GmbH Pastor-Loeh-Str.48 D-40764 Langenfeld, Germany. CEO Dipl.-Math. Marc-Andre Lemburg Registered at Amtsgericht Duesseldorf: HRB 46611 http://www.egenix.com/company/contact/