From dorn at lovelysystems.com Tue Apr 5 11:52:49 2011 From: dorn at lovelysystems.com (Bernd Dorn) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 11:52:49 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Paper is ending! Please spread the word! In-Reply-To: <20110331155904.15070.21376@python.it> References: <20110331155904.15070.21376@python.it> Message-ID: <845588C8-14CC-4350-BA9E-E47B15B8D2DE@lovelysystems.com> hi all is there any way to view the already submitted talks, just to have insight on what is already there? we'd like to give a talk, but want to make sure that the topic is not already covered by some other talk. thx in advance, bernd On Mar 31, 2011, at 5:59 PM, info at pycon.it wrote: > Europython end of Call for Presentations is April 6th. We'd like to ask to you to forward this post to anyone that you feel may be interested. > > We're looking for proposals on every aspects of Python: programming from novice to advanced levels, applications and frameworks, or how you have been involved in introducing Python into your organisation. > > First-time speakers are especially welcome; EuroPython is a community conference and we are eager to hear about your experience. If you have friends or colleagues who have something valuable to contribute, twist their arms to tell us about it! > > Presenting at EuroPython > > We will accept a broad range of presentations, from reports on academic and commercial projects to tutorials and case studies. As long as the presentation is interesting and potentially useful to the Python community, it will be considered for inclusion in the programme. > > Can you show the conference-goers something new and useful? > Can you show attendees how to: use a module? > Explore a Python language feature? > Package an application? > Submit a talk > > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 20-26 > http://ep2011.europython.eu/ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -- Bernd Dorn, CTO Lovely Systems GmbH Telefon +43 5572 908060, Fax +43 5572 908060-77 Schmelzh?tterstra?e 26a, 6850 Dornbirn, Austria Sitz: Dornbirn, FB: Landesgericht Feldkirch, FN: 208859x, UID: ATU51736705 Gesch?ftsf?hrer: Manfred Schwendinger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rasky at develer.com Tue Apr 5 12:47:58 2011 From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 12:47:58 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Paper is ending! Please spread the word! In-Reply-To: <845588C8-14CC-4350-BA9E-E47B15B8D2DE@lovelysystems.com> References: <20110331155904.15070.21376@python.it> <845588C8-14CC-4350-BA9E-E47B15B8D2DE@lovelysystems.com> Message-ID: <1302000478.2490.100.camel@lilax> On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 11:52 +0200, Bernd Dorn wrote: > hi all > > > is there any way to view the already submitted talks, just to have > insight on what is already there? we'd like to give a talk, but want > to make sure that the topic is not already covered by some other talk. Hi Bernd, you should not worry about duplicate subjects; they can be filtered out during the community voting and/or if both talks get high scores it might even make sense to schedule both. So feel free to go ahead and do your submission. Thanks! -- Giovanni Bajo From chef at ghum.de Tue Apr 5 16:25:02 2011 From: chef at ghum.de (Massa, Harald Armin) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 16:25:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] lenght of talks... Message-ID: Hello, I submitted a talk with duration 45 minutes, but on overview it is 60 minute ... is that room changes & bathroom breaks included time? Harald -- GHUM GmbH Harald Armin Massa Spielberger Stra?e 49 70435 Stuttgart 0173/9409607 Amtsgericht Stuttgart, HRB 734971 - persuadere. et programmare From rasky at develer.com Tue Apr 5 17:06:30 2011 From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo) Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2011 17:06:30 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] lenght of talks... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1302015990.2490.539.camel@lilax> On Tue, 2011-04-05 at 16:25 +0200, Massa, Harald Armin wrote: > Hello, > > I submitted a talk with duration 45 minutes, but on overview it is 60 > minute ... is that room changes & bathroom breaks included time? Yes. The design idea is that the submission form shows the net duration (as explained in the popup), while the overview page will become public and non-speaking delegates only know about the talk slots in the schedule. -- Giovanni Bajo From info at pycon.it Thu Apr 7 00:03:01 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:03:01 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Papers 2011 is closed! Message-ID: <20110406220301.11829.80643@python.it> ## You can take part in the selection process now! The selection of the proposals will be made through [community voting][1], starting next Monday (April 11th) and ending on Sunday 17th. Access to the voting system will be granted to anyone who bought a ticket. If you bought several tickets for friends and colleagues, remember to assign them from the [ticket page][2], so that they can get access to the voting. It should be noted that in addition to these voted talks, the schedule will also contain sponsored talks made by our sponsors (screened by organizers to avoid commercial or advertisement talks) and featured talks given by important international speakers, directly invited by the organizers. So, hurry up, [ grab a ticket][3] if you have not already, and get ready for the voting... **EuroPython 2011 is in your hands!** [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/p3/tickets/ [3]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/p3/cart/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.mchristensen at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 03:34:26 2011 From: mark.mchristensen at gmail.com (Mark Ramm) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 21:34:26 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Missed the deadline? Message-ID: Hi I'm Mark Ramm. I'm BDFL of TurboGears, Pyramid developer, and was the lead developer of the new python based SourceForge tools, which we released at PyConUS. I tried to submit two proposals, one on Allura (the new sf.net code) and one on Pyramid and working together on the web this evening, and apparently I missed the deadline. I'm sure I missed it because I didn't see a time zone in the proposal deadline e-mail and didn't think about it ending early on the 6th for me. We had some major leadership changes at work, and I was waiting on confirmation from work for the EuroPython trip, which didn't come until today. If there's any way that I can still get a proposal in, I'd be super grateful. And if not I totally understand. -- Mark Ramm-Christensen email: mark at compoundthinking dot com blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog From nate at djangozoom.com Thu Apr 7 05:54:43 2011 From: nate at djangozoom.com (Nate Aune) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 23:54:43 -0400 Subject: [EuroPython] Missed the deadline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have the same request. I thought that I had until the end of the day on April 6th to get a talk submitted, so I was surprised to receive the email earlier today announcing that the call for papers was closed. I would like to submit a talk proposal of a case study in building a Python-based backend API for a mobile app, and another proposal about using Python to deploy and scale web applications in the cloud. Is there any chance I can get an extension to submit these proposals? I'd be very happy to have the opportunity to be considered for a speaking slot. thanks, Nate On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Mark Ramm wrote: > Hi I'm Mark Ramm. > > I'm BDFL of TurboGears, Pyramid developer, and was the lead developer > of the new python based SourceForge tools, which we released at > PyConUS. I tried to submit two proposals, one on Allura (the new > sf.net code) and one on Pyramid and working together on the web this > evening, and apparently I missed the deadline. > > I'm sure I missed it because I didn't see a time zone in the proposal > deadline e-mail and didn't think about it ending early on the 6th for > me. We had some major leadership changes at work, and I was waiting > on confirmation from work for the EuroPython trip, which didn't come > until today. > > If there's any way that I can still get a proposal in, I'd be super > grateful. And if not I totally understand. > > -- > Mark Ramm-Christensen > email: mark at compoundthinking dot com > blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 20-26 > http://ep2011.europython.eu/ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com Thu Apr 7 07:21:18 2011 From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 07:21:18 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Missed the deadline? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark and Nate, Please send me the abstracts directly. Best wishes Fabio Il giorno 07/apr/2011 03.34, "Mark Ramm" ha scritto: > Hi I'm Mark Ramm. > > I'm BDFL of TurboGears, Pyramid developer, and was the lead developer > of the new python based SourceForge tools, which we released at > PyConUS. I tried to submit two proposals, one on Allura (the new > sf.net code) and one on Pyramid and working together on the web this > evening, and apparently I missed the deadline. > > I'm sure I missed it because I didn't see a time zone in the proposal > deadline e-mail and didn't think about it ending early on the 6th for > me. We had some major leadership changes at work, and I was waiting > on confirmation from work for the EuroPython trip, which didn't come > until today. > > If there's any way that I can still get a proposal in, I'd be super > grateful. And if not I totally understand. > > -- > Mark Ramm-Christensen > email: mark at compoundthinking dot com > blog: www.compoundthinking.com/blog > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 20-26 > http://ep2011.europython.eu/ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at pycon.it Fri Apr 8 15:47:11 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:47:11 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Call for Papers "last shot" extension Message-ID: <20110408134711.28421.32113@python.it> This is an important message for all those speakers that missed the CFP deadline. No more excuses!! No more "argh, this year I had this best talk ever but didn't manage to propose the abstract in time"! The Europython team is giving you the very last chance to raise your hand and propose your talk! We'll reopen the talks submission during **tomorrow, Saturday 9th** (the whole day: 00:00:00 to 23:59:59 CEST). See you soon and... **submit!** PS: remember to subscribe our [ blog feed][1], [twitter stream][2] or [ mailing-list][3] to make sure you don't miss important news! [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/blog/feeds/latest/ [2]: http://twitter.com/europython [3]: http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sschwarzer at sschwarzer.net Sat Apr 9 15:22:13 2011 From: sschwarzer at sschwarzer.net (Stefan Schwarzer) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:22:13 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site Message-ID: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Hi everyone :-) On the talk submission form [1] there are required fields for the date of birth and the mobile phone number of the speaker. A bit down is an - also required - checkbox titled "I agree to let you publish my data on the web site." Does that actually mean I can only submit a talk if I agree to have my date of birth and mobile phone number published on the website? [1] http://ep2011.europython.eu/conference/paper-submission/ Stefan From alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com Sat Apr 9 15:37:22 2011 From: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com (Alex Kavanagh) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 14:37:22 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Message-ID: Um, more to the point, why do they *need* your date of birth? Surely, if it's just to make sure you're 18 or over, there can be a tick box saying 'please tick to indicate you're over 18'? Or is there some strange law I'm not aware of? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Stefan Schwarzer wrote: > Hi everyone :-) > > On the talk submission form [1] there are required fields > for the date of birth and the mobile phone number of the > speaker. > > A bit down is an - also required - checkbox titled "I agree > to let you publish my data on the web site." Does that > actually mean I can only submit a talk if I agree to have my > date of birth and mobile phone number published on the > website? > > [1] http://ep2011.europython.eu/conference/paper-submission/ > > Stefan > _______________________________________________ > EuroPython 2011 - Florence June 20-26 > http://ep2011.europython.eu/ > EuroPython mailing list > EuroPython at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython > -- Alex Kavanagh Tinwood Ltd -- Open Source Information & Communications Solutions Delivering Freedom, Creating Value w: www.tinwood.com e: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com a: 20 Sefton Ave, NE6 5QR, Company No: 5233914 (Eng & Wales), VAT No: GB 874 8669 54 Sorry if you got this by mistake - please accept our apologies; please let us know that this message has gone astray so we don't do it again. Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From charlie.clark at clark-consulting.eu Sat Apr 9 15:48:02 2011 From: charlie.clark at clark-consulting.eu (Charlie Clark) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:48:02 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Message-ID: Am 09.04.2011, 15:22 Uhr, schrieb Stefan Schwarzer : > Hi everyone > On the talk submission form [1] there are required fields > for the date of birth and the mobile phone number of the > speaker. > A bit down is an - also required - checkbox titled "I agree > to let you publish my data on the web site." Does that > actually mean I can only submit a talk if I agree to have my > date of birth and mobile phone number published on the > website? Good call, Stefan. seems in blatant disregard of the site's privacy policy, but then the site is also using Google Analytics which also breaches this and it's also not sure which data is handed over to Janrain for the single sign-on: their website doesn't really inspire trust that personal data will be treated as such. I'm more than a little intrigued to see cookies for the site for a conference in 2011 set to expire in 2021. It's worth noting the EU directive on data protection, privacy which 2009/136/EC is supposed to go into force in May. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 D?sseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 From rasky at develer.com Sat Apr 9 15:52:57 2011 From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:52:57 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Message-ID: <1302357177.2117.46.camel@ozzu> On sab, 2011-04-09 at 15:22 +0200, Stefan Schwarzer wrote: > Hi everyone :-) > > On the talk submission form [1] there are required fields > for the date of birth and the mobile phone number of the > speaker. > > A bit down is an - also required - checkbox titled "I agree > to let you publish my data on the web site." Does that > actually mean I can only submit a talk if I agree to have my > date of birth and mobile phone number published on the > website? It's clearly written in the help popup of both fields *and* the checkbox that mobile number e date of birth will not be published. Did you read the popup? Or maybe it didn't display on your browser for some reason? -- Giovanni Bajo From rasky at develer.com Sat Apr 9 15:57:12 2011 From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:57:12 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Message-ID: <1302357432.2117.51.camel@ozzu> On sab, 2011-04-09 at 14:37 +0100, Alex Kavanagh wrote: > Um, more to the point, why do they *need* your date of birth? Surely, > if it's just to make sure you're 18 or over, there can be a tick box > saying 'please tick to indicate you're over 18'? Or is there some > strange law I'm not aware of? It's written in the help popup of the field. Italian laws require us to do behave differently if we are dealing with minors that are between 14 and 18, and below 14. Plus you would need to explain whether you mean "over 14/18 today" or "over 14/18 at the conference". It seemed easier to us just to ask for a date field, in case *other* laws come up later in the game. It's clearly written that we will not publish this information. In fact, we have *striven* to require as little personal information as legally possible, throughout the whole website, both in the ticket purchase procedure and the speaker talk submission. -- Giovanni Bajo From rasky at develer.com Sat Apr 9 16:10:28 2011 From: rasky at develer.com (Giovanni Bajo) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 16:10:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Message-ID: <1302358228.2117.64.camel@ozzu> On sab, 2011-04-09 at 15:48 +0200, Charlie Clark wrote: > Am 09.04.2011, 15:22 Uhr, schrieb Stefan Schwarzer > : > > > Hi everyone > > On the talk submission form [1] there are required fields > > for the date of birth and the mobile phone number of the > > speaker. > > A bit down is an - also required - checkbox titled "I agree > > to let you publish my data on the web site." Does that > > actually mean I can only submit a talk if I agree to have my > > date of birth and mobile phone number published on the > > website? > > Good call, Stefan. > > seems in blatant disregard of the site's privacy policy, I disagree. The form linked above clearly explains what it is going to be published and what it is not. Moreover, if you submit the form once, you are brought to the exact page that *will* become public, but still in a private form; you can review everything and amend at any time. > but then the site > is also using Google Analytics which also breaches this Again, I disagree. We don't send Google Analytics any private data that we are aware of. If you mind to elaborate on where our privacy policy seems to disallow Google Analytics usage, we can amend the text to allow it (and/or explicitly mention that it is being used). Plus, it's possible to globally opt out from GA as you might know. > and it's also not > sure which data is handed over to Janrain for the single sign-on: their > website doesn't really inspire trust that personal data will be treated as > such. We don't hand anything to Janrain; it's exactly the other way round, because Janrain gives us the personal information extracted from the website used for login. You can read more about Janrain privacy policy on their website. Plus, you are not required to use it, you can go through a standard form if you prefer. > I'm more than a little intrigued to see cookies for the site for a > conference in 2011 set to expire in 2021. This can be something that we overlooked. I'll get back to you. BTW, I didn't appreciate your tone. We are volunteers working in our spare time to service the community. We surely do mistakes like anybody else, especially on complex legal matters, but you will not help the event or its partecipants just by citing EU directive numbers or naming violations without providing details nor proposing solutions. -- Giovanni Bajo From alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com Sat Apr 9 16:14:13 2011 From: alex.kavanagh at tinwood.com (Alex Kavanagh) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 15:14:13 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: <1302357432.2117.51.camel@ozzu> References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> <1302357432.2117.51.camel@ozzu> Message-ID: On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Giovanni Bajo wrote: > On sab, 2011-04-09 at 14:37 +0100, Alex Kavanagh wrote: > > Um, more to the point, why do they *need* your date of birth? Surely, > > if it's just to make sure you're 18 or over, there can be a tick box > > saying 'please tick to indicate you're over 18'? Or is there some > > strange law I'm not aware of? > > It's written in the help popup of the field. > > Italian laws require us to do behave differently if we are dealing with > minors that are between 14 and 18, and below 14. Plus you would need to > explain whether you mean "over 14/18 today" or "over 14/18 at the > conference". It seemed easier to us just to ask for a date field, in > case *other* laws come up later in the game. > > It's clearly written that we will not publish this information. In fact, > we have *striven* to require as little personal information as legally > possible, throughout the whole website, both in the ticket purchase > procedure and the speaker talk submission. > Ah, sounds good. Sorry for the noise. I guess it pushed my 'privacy button'. Apologies for over-reacting! Alex. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To be honest, as the form is not secure neither statement is of any great relevance from a data protection perspective: all public data is being transferred in the clear. Would it be possible to have the forms secured? >> but then the site >> is also using Google Analytics which also breaches this > Again, I disagree. We don't send Google Analytics any private data that > we are aware of. If you mind to elaborate on where our privacy policy > seems to disallow Google Analytics usage, we can amend the text to allow > it (and/or explicitly mention that it is being used). Plus, it's > possible to globally opt out from GA as you might know. IP addresses are considered as personal information. In general, in Europe, only opting-in to the collection of personal data is permissible and, as such, the US preference for opting-out is not sufficient. >> and it's also not >> sure which data is handed over to Janrain for the single sign-on: their >> website doesn't really inspire trust that personal data will be treated >> as >> such. > We don't hand anything to Janrain; it's exactly the other way round, > because Janrain gives us the personal information extracted from the > website used for login. You can read more about Janrain privacy policy > on their website. Plus, you are not required to use it, you can go > through a standard form if you prefer. As with Google Analytics the details of the service should be in the privacy statement. >> I'm more than a little intrigued to see cookies for the site for a >> conference in 2011 set to expire in 2021. > This can be something that we overlooked. I'll get back to you. > BTW, I didn't appreciate your tone. We are volunteers working in our > spare time to service the community. We surely do mistakes like anybody > else, especially on complex legal matters, but you will not help the > event or its partecipants just by citing EU directive numbers or naming > violations without providing details nor proposing solutions. Sorry if you don't like my tone. I'm only trying to raise awareness of the current legal situation. As you are aware neither your status as a volunteer nor ignorance of the law is not likely to be much of the defence in the, admittedly very unlikely event, of a legal challenge. The EU directive was not particularly well-drafted and explicitly forbids the use of cookies on a website without the explicit consent of the user in advance. Cookies that "are essential for the technical provision of a service" may be exempted from this. Although the law is supposed to enter into force by 25th May 2011 it must be implemented in each individual nation state and the EU Commission normally gives countries at least three years before initiating procedures. However, the jurisdiction on this is not clear for such a patently international process: what happens when the law is in force in country X and not in country Y. Because the law is so poorly drafted it is likely to open the door at least to test cases and at worst to serial injunctions leaving it up to the courts to decide exactly how to interpret it. I hope this helps clarify my comments. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 D?sseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 From mfoord at python.org Sat Apr 9 17:20:40 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 16:20:40 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> <1302358228.2117.64.camel@ozzu> Message-ID: <4DA07948.3080203@python.org> On 09/04/2011 15:46, Charlie Clark wrote: > [snip...] > > The EU directive was not particularly well-drafted and explicitly > forbids the use of cookies on a website without the explicit consent > of the user in advance. Cookies that "are essential for the technical > provision of a service" may be exempted from this. Although the law is > supposed to enter into force by 25th May 2011 it must be implemented > in each individual nation state and the EU Commission normally gives > countries at least three years before initiating procedures. However, > the jurisdiction on this is not clear for such a patently > international process: what happens when the law is in force in > country X and not in country Y. Because the law is so poorly drafted > it is likely to open the door at least to test cases and at worst to > serial injunctions leaving it up to the courts to decide exactly how > to interpret it. > > > I hope this helps clarify my comments. It's normally the case however (certainly my understanding) that EU directives have no direct legal validity until passed into law in member states. (Member states can be prosecuted for not passing them into law - but nationals aren't bound by them until this happens.) So the EU directive is not relevant unless and until it is passed into Italian law. All the best, Michael Foord > > Charlie -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From mfoord at python.org Sat Apr 9 17:26:43 2011 From: mfoord at python.org (Michael Foord) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 16:26:43 +0100 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: <4DA07948.3080203@python.org> References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> <1302358228.2117.64.camel@ozzu> <4DA07948.3080203@python.org> Message-ID: <4DA07AB3.4010903@python.org> On 09/04/2011 16:20, Michael Foord wrote: > On 09/04/2011 15:46, Charlie Clark wrote: >> [snip...] >> >> The EU directive was not particularly well-drafted and explicitly >> forbids the use of cookies on a website without the explicit consent >> of the user in advance. Cookies that "are essential for the technical >> provision of a service" may be exempted from this. Although the law >> is supposed to enter into force by 25th May 2011 it must be >> implemented in each individual nation state and the EU Commission >> normally gives countries at least three years before initiating >> procedures. However, the jurisdiction on this is not clear for such a >> patently international process: what happens when the law is in force >> in country X and not in country Y. Because the law is so poorly >> drafted it is likely to open the door at least to test cases and at >> worst to serial injunctions leaving it up to the courts to decide >> exactly how to interpret it. >> >> >> I hope this helps clarify my comments. > > It's normally the case however (certainly my understanding) that EU > directives have no direct legal validity until passed into law in > member states. (Member states can be prosecuted for not passing them > into law - but nationals aren't bound by them until this happens.) So > the EU directive is not relevant unless and until it is passed into > Italian law. And as an additional note, if my assertion is correct, the EU directive *still* won't be directly relevant as the law that will apply will be the *specific* law passed by the Italians. Yes member states *do* cede some sovereignty to the EU, but not usually in a direct law making capacity, more as in controlling what laws they are *able* to pass. Factortame [1] in the UK in the seventies is the UK landmark case that decided laws in contravention of EU regulations are not valid, but still doesn't apply give the regulations direct legal force - except where there are national laws expressly making that the case. Don't take legal advice from *any* programmers though. ;-) All the best, Michael Foord [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factortame_litigation > All the best, > > Michael Foord > >> >> Charlie > > -- http://www.voidspace.org.uk/ May you do good and not evil May you find forgiveness for yourself and forgive others May you share freely, never taking more than you give. -- the sqlite blessing http://www.sqlite.org/different.html From sschwarzer at sschwarzer.net Sat Apr 9 18:26:26 2011 From: sschwarzer at sschwarzer.net (Stefan Schwarzer) Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 18:26:26 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: <1302357177.2117.46.camel@ozzu> References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> <1302357177.2117.46.camel@ozzu> Message-ID: <4DA088B2.7030408@sschwarzer.net> Hello Giovanni, On 2011-04-09 15:52, Giovanni Bajo wrote: > On sab, 2011-04-09 at 15:22 +0200, Stefan Schwarzer wrote: > It's clearly written in the help popup of both fields *and* the checkbox > that mobile number e date of birth will not be published. Thanks for the clarification. > Did you read the popup? Or maybe it didn't display on your browser for > some reason? Yes, the reason is that I usually use the NoScript extension for Firefox and had only allowed the sites that seemed necessary. (For example, I didn't allow neither microsoft.com nor facebook.net.) On the talk submission page I now notice olark.com which I think hadn't been in NoScript's menu before I got to the form. Maybe that's the one responsible for the popups you mention. So, some things may not be as clear as it might seem at first sight. :-) Stefan From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com Sat Apr 9 18:48:53 2011 From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 18:48:53 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> <1302358228.2117.64.camel@ozzu> Message-ID: 2011/4/9 Charlie Clark > Am 09.04.2011, 16:10 Uhr, schrieb Giovanni Bajo :Sorry > if you don't like my tone. I'm only trying to raise awareness of the current > legal situation. As you are aware neither your status as a volunteer nor > ignorance of the law is not likely to be much of the defence in the, > admittedly very unlikely event, of a legal challenge. > > > The EU directive was not particularly well-drafted and explicitly forbids > the use of cookies on a website without the explicit consent of the user in > advance. Cookies that "are essential for the technical provision of a > service" may be exempted from this. Although the law is supposed to enter > into force by 25th May 2011 it must be implemented in each individual nation > state and the EU Commission normally gives countries at least three years > before initiating procedures. However, the jurisdiction on this is not clear > for such a patently international process: what happens when the law is in > force in country X and not in country Y. Because the law is so poorly > drafted it is likely to open the door at least to test cases and at worst to > serial injunctions leaving it up to the courts to decide exactly how to > interpret it. > > > I hope this helps clarify my comments. > > Giovanni and Micheal already pointed my tought. I just want to add that we are all programmers and geeks, not lawyers. For legal issues we do have advisors as a non-profit association. You have all your rights to ask any doubt or need and we'll answer and fix if the issue needs fixing. Still, for legal issues we'll always check with our legal consultant first. I didn't like your tone either. You should ask before blaming. And if you think we are not doing things right you can propose fixes or propose yourself to do it as a volunteer ( just like every organizers this years and in the past years ). As organizers we do a really hard hard hard work to make things go for the best and fit everybody needs. We don't have any evil intentions about using your personal in any way we are just trying to make the website easier to the user respecting italian laws. I hope i'm wrong on your intentions because if I'm not wrong I think you deeply misunderstood the Europython conference ideals and goals. Said that we'll check your recommendations. all the best Fabio -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at boddie.org.uk Sat Apr 9 19:51:21 2011 From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:51:21 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Publication of speakers' data on the web site In-Reply-To: References: <4DA05D85.7030505@sschwarzer.net> Message-ID: <201104091951.22209.paul@boddie.org.uk> On Saturday 09 April 2011 18:48:53 Fabio Pliger wrote: > > I didn't like your tone either. You should ask before blaming. And if you > think we are not doing things right you can propose fixes or propose > yourself to do it as a volunteer ( just like every organizers this years > and in the past years ). As organizers we do a really hard hard hard work > to make things go for the best and fit everybody needs. We don't have any > evil intentions about using your personal in any way we are just trying to > make the website easier to the user respecting italian laws. I hope i'm > wrong on your intentions because if I'm not wrong I think you deeply > misunderstood the Europython conference ideals and goals. And before anyone makes any point about volunteers not having any excuses if they really care about what they're doing, or other nonsense that I've heard before, people should bear in mind that the volunteers often have quite full schedules apart from the work they are doing to make the conference happen. I seem to remember having to slot in conference-related work and correspondence in the small hours, past any sensible bedtime, just to try and keep everything going smoothly and anxious conference attendees happy. I'm sure other people have similar experiences. However, it is important to get feedback about what people do and don't like, and I think the biggest obstacle lies in translating that into activity which fixes or prevents any problems without overloading the people who are doing the work already. Last year, I was advocating some kind of consolidation of knowledge around putting conferences together based on our experiences with EuroPython, but I haven't had the time or energy to pursue this. Maybe interested parties can focus their energy in a positive way towards such a goal, starting at EuroPython 2011 itself, perhaps. Although people who are only generally interested in attending EuroPython might feel a bit uncomfortable with such "behind the scenes" matters - thinking that this message goes out on a general mailing list - one thing I tried to stress last year (and something that Laura tried to communicate a few years before) is that there is no real barrier between "us" and "them" - attendees and organisers, or the other way around, depending on your perspective - at EuroPython. Attendees don't have to work their way up some hierarchy before being allowed to volunteer, and people shouldn't worry about not necessarily being a big Python user or a well-known Python developer. Thus, I would encourage people to step forward and give feedback on what they like (all too rare, unfortunately) and what they don't like, but also to consider offering their time to make sure that something gets done if that thing is important enough to them. Paul From info at pycon.it Mon Apr 11 12:07:43 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 10:07:43 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk voting Message-ID: <20110411100743.3275.91573@python.it> **Everybody will have a right of voting will be given to everyone who buy a ticket within April 17th** (that's in the middle of Early Bird period, therefore at a reduced price). So, if you're sure to attend the conference and want to help us to make this event a further success, please buy a ticket and **tell us your opinion about the talks you want on the schedule**. [Cast your vote now!][1] **We believe that public talk voting is really important** to achieve the best possible schedule. As Europython organizers, we will take part in the voting just like everyone else, with [no special privileges][2]; we reserve the right to manually adjust the final scheduling only to improve diversity and balance of different topics. [![][3]][1] [1]: http://www.europython.eu/conference/voting/ [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting [3]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/media/versions/uploads/schermata_medium.png -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at pycon.it Fri Apr 15 16:25:41 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2011 14:25:41 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Partner Program released! Message-ID: <20110415142541.9091.39067@python.it> Ladies and gentlemen, now you can join our Non-Python Partner Program! We've prepared a specific page dedicated to the program with [guided tours and visits to museums at cheap rates][1]! **The Program is open to everybody**, whether you have bought a ticket to the conference, or not. Conference delegates can of course buy tickets for the partner program for their partner/family/friends, and join themselves if they want to escape from the conference to sightsee Florence and the Tuscany countryside. ## The Program You will find two different kind of events in the program: outdoor and city Outdoor events include a nice bike tour in Florence, and will teach you wonderful things about Tuscany food and wines, leading you from a guided tasting of wines to an entire day in the Chianti-shire. City events are dedicated to Florence as "art city", taking you to visit the Uffizi, the Duomo, Michelangelo's works, the districts of Santa Maria Novella and the craftsmen in Florence. **The program will be active from Saturday 18th**, specifically so that delegates that want to attend the conference might consider booking the flight so to arrive in Florence **the weekend before**, and join at least a couple of tours before the conference begins. [Book your tour now!][1] ## Booking Info All tours are organized by a tour operator; the Python Italia association does not have any margin on the tickets, and is just organizing and coordinating the program to improve your staying in Florence. We need a booking advance of 30? per person, that you can pay directly within our website; the balance will be due directly to the tour operator at the conference desk, before the tour begins. After you have bought one or more tickets, you will be able to fill in the name of the exact person that will be attending the tour. Don't forget to do it! We really hope that you will enjoy the program and your staying in Florence! ## Shameless plug [Talk voting][2] closes on Sunday! Make sure to [grab a ticket][3] vote the talks and help deciding the schedule! Follow us on [Twitter][4] (@europython) and subscribe to our [RSS feed][5] to be always updated on EuroPython. [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/partner-program/ [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/talk-voting/ [3]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/registration/ [4]: http://twitter.com/europython [5]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/blog/feeds/latest/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at pycon.it Mon Apr 18 01:11:13 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 23:11:13 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk voting is now closed Message-ID: <20110417231113.31415.48034@python.it> Less than a hour ago, we have closed the talk voting system. Many thanks to the 75 users that took part in it, casting a grand total of **6767 votes** on the 158 talk proposals. Before sharing the final ranking, we will review the votes and the algorithm one more time, to make sure there was no mistake in the process. Then, we will start working on the [schedule][1] that we are planning to publish next Friday. The schedule will follow the voting as closely as possible, so that talks higher in the final ranking will be given the best time slots and larger rooms, to reflect a higher interest from attendees. Stay tuned! ### While you are waiting... It's a great time to explore the just-released [partner program][2] We have worked hard to offer many different tours for your partners and friends who do not share your love for Python. Let us know if you like the program and how we can improve it. [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/schedule [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/partner-program -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at pycon.it Tue Apr 19 15:34:01 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 13:34:01 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Talk voting results Message-ID: <20110419133401.16057.28281@python.it> After one week of voting, we are eager to present you the results of the talk voting: The [full ranking is now available][1] for public consumption and we expect the [schedule][2] to be ready on Friday We are specifically happy about the diversity of the subjects in the highest positions of the ranking: if you watch closely, you can find talks about web, desktop, optimizations, advanced graphics, third-party library, testing. This shows how large and variated the Python community is, and how Python is really a tool for many tasks. In addition to the talks that have been submitted and voted, we will also integrate and announce some **talks on invitation and keynotes** that we have selected during the past weeks, and a few **sponsored talks** delivered by our sponsors, that we have carefully reviewed not to be commercial advertisements but real technical talks (also, they will not be given any prominent scheduling, so you don't have to follow them if you don't care about the subject). ### Working on the schedule The published ranking does not differentiate between talks and trainings, nor between the Italian track and the rest of the conference. Instead, while working on the scheduling, we will extract three different rankings from the main one for those categories (talk eng, talk ita, training). The main guidelines that we will follow are: * We will fill the schedule in the ranking order, and will stop when there are no more available slots in the schedule . * We will follow speaker's availability (eg: if a speaker is not available on some days, we will try to match his/her constraint). * We will schedule talks that are higher in the ranking in larger rooms, to reflect the expectation of a bigger audience. * We will try and follow speaker's indication on the preferred time slot, but this will not always be possible. We will contact speakers separately about this. Since we have not decided yet how many slots to allocate for each track/day, we still do not know exactly how many talks will be featured at EuroPython. Just to give an idea, we expect to have room for about 100 talks (beyond keynotes, lighting talks, [recruiting session][3], and other events). ### The geek's corner: how the ranking was made We used the [Shulze method][4], through its implementation in the [Python voting engine library][5]. The Schulze method is a [Condorcet method][6] that has been already used in the FLOSS community during elections (most notably by Debian and KDE). We will briefly describe how we treated the data and massaged them to be useful for Shulze, but please refer to Wikipedia for more information on how the method actually works and which [criteria it satisfies][7]. Votes expressed by each voter were used to create a personal ranking of talks, including ties. This pass is necessary because Schulze really cares only about relative preference of talks (that is, it needs an answer to queries like "does voter X prefer talk A or talk B?"), so the magnitude of the vote does not really matter. Talks that were not voted by each voter are always tricky to rank, but after some discussion we ended up giving them a default vote of 5, which we believe it is a good match between voters expectation and how the algorithm works. These personal rankings were then fed to the Shulze methods as input ballots. As final tie-breaker, we opted to use the relative order of submission during the CFP (talks submitted earlier are preferred to talk submitted later, in case of a tie). The tie-breaker obviously does not matter much as we have enough diverse inputs; in fact, it slightly affects the results (eg: changes of 2-3 positions). Complete anonymised voting data is [available for download][8]. The format of the file is the one expected by Vote Engine, so you can just feed this file through it and see the same results. The first part is where the talks IDs are declared, together with the tie breaker; the following comment section shows what talk really is behind each ID. Then, there the large part of the file is the ballots: each line is the personal ranking of a random voter, using the ">" sign to express preferences and the "=" sign to express ties. [1]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/voting-results [2]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/schedule [3]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/work-python [4]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method [5]: http://vote.sourceforge.net/ [6]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method [7]: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schulze_method#Satisfied_and_failed_criteria [8]: http://ep2011.europython.eu/media/uploads/ep2011-voteengine-input.txt -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at pycon.it Fri Apr 22 16:01:45 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 14:01:45 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Schedule publication delayed Message-ID: <20110422140145.18931.10101@python.it> We are sorry to announce that we are unable to publish the conference schedule today, as previously announced in the calendar. We plan to go online with it on Wednesday 27th. Getting the schedule ready has turned out to be more complex than expected. We have been working on it around the clock, but it is simply not done yet. We expect it to be finished by the weekend, but we need to pass it through the review of the speakers first, and some families of ours are particularly demanding on Easter... Moreover, given that there are day passes available this year, we want to be absolutely sure that the schedule will be fixed once published. We generally dislike schedule changes, but I am sure you understand that people buying a day pass might specifically not appreciate them. As much as we treat our deadlines seriously, we cannot help but admit that we need a few more days to finalize it. I am sure many people are really eager to see it, but I hope Easter will kind of distract you with good, sweet, eggy arguments :) Happy Easter! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From info at pycon.it Thu Apr 28 01:08:42 2011 From: info at pycon.it (info at pycon.it) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 23:08:42 -0000 Subject: [EuroPython] Schedule is now online Message-ID: <20110427230842.1490.51962@python.it> The subject says it all! Start [browsing the schedule][1] now and see what talks have made it thanks to the community voting. ## Schedule Browser 0.1 alpha EuroPython is a big conference, with many different tracks going on at the same time. Providing a way to guide delegates through the conference and help them not miss any event they like is our top priority. This is why we have worked around the clock to provide an **interactive schedule browsing** experience. We did not manage to complete everything for today, but we will keep working on it and release more browsing features in the next days. Thanks to a fixed navigation panel, you will be able to do **full-text searches in talks and abstracts** to find talks that you would like to attend; the abstracts appears in an overlay popup so that you will not get confused when you get back to schedule browsing; you can turn on/off tracks that you are interested into (like the Italian track if you don't _parli italiano molto bene_); after a login, you will have the **like/dislike** buttons at your disposal to quickly filter the talks, and a **"my schedule" view** that only show the talks that you like. Did you join the talk voting? If so, your vote will appear next to each talk, to makes it even easier to find what you like most. It's all a bit in beta right now, but rest assured that we will keep working on it in the next few days. If you find bugs, report them directly in the chat or by [e-mail][2]. We really hope that you will like our schedule browser! ## Special guests We are proud to reveal the special guests that we have invited to this year's EuroPython: * [Alex Martelli][3]: PSF member, Python Italia founder, "Python in a Nutshell" writer, worldwide Python guru... and truly, deeply **Italian**. Does we need to add more? Yes, he is a _wonderful_ speaker. You really need to watch one of his talks at least once in a lifetime! * [Anna Ravenscroft][4]: can you be a Pythonista, a mom, a geek, and a student at the same time? Of course you do, if your name is Anna Ravenscroft! Anna will be delivering a keynote on diversity within technical communities (like Python's), a topic which is really close to our heart. Don't miss it! * [Raymond Hettinger][5]: member of the PSF and very well-regarded and old- timer core Python developer, Raymond is so in love with Italy to fly over every year for Python Italia... and we are in love with him too! His competence really fascinates his audiences. Make sure to listen to him at least once during the week! * [Simon Willison][6]: Simon is probably best known in the Python community as a co-creator of Django, but he is a also a high profile public speaker and an entrepreneur (his current startup is the raising [layndr.com][7]). If you are looking for the very last secret of Django, write down his name and look for him in the schedule, you won't be disappointed! * [Spotify:][8] do you know that Swedish company that is world-famous for its revolutionary approach to paid music distribution? Did you know that they use _lots_ of Python in their backend? Well, we did, and we invited them to share some secrets with us! They will be giving both a keynote and a technical talk on their backend architecture. Save the date! * [Yann Le Du][9]: Yann is a professor at the ?cole nationale superieure de chimie de Paris. Together with his staff, he lately published a terrific paper on exploiting Python and CUDA on gamer's PC for empowering the HPU4Science Cluster. We are looking forward to hearing more details about this in his talk! ## What's missing We need another week or so to sort out the final details on: * Sprints: we will concentrate on organizing the sprints starting tomorrow. For people that need to know their exact schedule for travel arrangements, we plan to have sprints during the whole Saturday and Sunday, starting at 9:00 and ending at 19:00. More details to follow next week. * Evening events: don't believe the schedule that says "Finish" at 19:30, we will have **great** evening events even later in the evening, for those who can't really miss a single drop of EuroPython! 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URL: From proppy at google.com Thu Apr 28 09:53:28 2011 From: proppy at google.com (Johan Euphrosine) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 09:53:28 +0200 Subject: [EuroPython] Cloud Service API Mashups in a Python Web Application Message-ID: Hi, Thanks for accepting my talk for Europython 2011, Could you confirm me that it is scheduled as a "training/workshop", and not as a regular "talk" ? Thanks in advance. -- Johan Euphrosine (proppy) Developer Programs Engineer Google Developer Relations