[EuroPython] Some general thoughts about EP2014 and future of EP

[Filip Kłębczyk]

W dniu 11.02.2014 14:19, John Pinner pisze:
> Ladies and Gentlemen,
>
> <snipped pointless bike-shedding>
>
> Please can we stop this destructive thread ?

This thread is not destructive it is meant to make future EP better. 
Let's discuss things in the open.

> Let us just accept that the 2014 organisers submitted an excellent
> proposal, and that they are doing a cracking good job in fulfilling
> that proposal.

Please, don't let me remind how the process of call of proposals for 
EP2014/EP2015 looked like. EPS said that such process will start on 
Autumn 2012, and it started in May 2013 (after multiply delays and some 
of teams that wanted to submit proposals, resigned after half a year of 
asking when the call will start and how can they help). Then suddenly 
Python Verband appeared out of nowhere (where it was on Autumn?) and one 
of it's members was deciding in EPS board where to host next EP. 
Moreover till this day proposals weren't shown. Public doesn't know why 
Germany had better proposal than Belgium, what was in proposal etc. The 
whole process is very unclear.

> For all sorts of reasons, geography, size of venue,
> relative cost of living etc, they cannot meet everyone's perceived
> requirements but are doing the best they can.

I won't judge if they are doing best or not, because it's also very 
relative. I guess many or most of organizer are doing their best job, 
but we already seen calling other people "childish" or other rather 
aggressive reactions to normal (probably expected when organizing any 
conference) critic.

> If this year's EP does not meet your requirements, you can
>
> * Put forward your own proposal for a future EP, or
> * Go to another European Python event ( like PyCon { IE, UK, DE,
> FR,...} ) there will be one to suit you somewhere.

Of course, but we have right to express our likes or dislikes for 
certain things connected with EP2014. It's for the better experience of 
EP2015 and future editions.

Regards,
Filip