From ep at zopyx.com  Thu May  1 08:54:28 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 08:54:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
Message-ID: <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>

Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
 
-aj

Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:

> Hello all,
> 
> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
> 
>    https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
> 
> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
> adding some additional travel information to the page.
> 
> Cheers,
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> Director
> EuroPython Society
> http://www.europython-society.org/
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May  1 17:09:27 2014
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2014 16:09:27 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
 <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-vKOTrTH_DJ1MFDzmOgq91fA4HNS35JoJnsY99v6-dpyUeMw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On 1 May 2014 07:54, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.

Yes, and that's up to the official website maintainers.

You're missing the point, Andreas. Delegates can add and share
information on the wiki : information which may not be known by, or
important to, the organisers.

All the best,

John
--

>
> -aj
>
> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
>> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
>>
>>    https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
>>
>> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
>> adding some additional travel information to the page.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>> Director
>> EuroPython Society
>> http://www.europython-society.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From ep at zopyx.com  Fri May  2 06:39:34 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 06:39:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAB-vKOTrTH_DJ1MFDzmOgq91fA4HNS35JoJnsY99v6-dpyUeMw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
 <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
 <CAB-vKOTrTH_DJ1MFDzmOgq91fA4HNS35JoJnsY99v6-dpyUeMw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02344CC6-3A45-4BDF-BD7B-3E57A852670C@zopyx.com>

@John: do you volunteer to incorporate the related info over time 
the EP website?

Andreas

Am 01.05.2014 um 17:09 schrieb John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> 
> On 1 May 2014 07:54, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
> 
> Yes, and that's up to the official website maintainers.
> 
> You're missing the point, Andreas. Delegates can add and share
> information on the wiki : information which may not be known by, or
> important to, the organisers.
> 
> All the best,
> 
> John
> --
> 
>> 
>> -aj
>> 
>> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:
>> 
>>> Hello all,
>>> 
>>> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
>>> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
>>> 
>>>   https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
>>> 
>>> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
>>> adding some additional travel information to the page.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> --
>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>> Director
>>> EuroPython Society
>>> http://www.europython-society.org/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>> EuroPython at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From mal at europython.eu  Fri May  2 09:49:04 2014
From: mal at europython.eu (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 09:49:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
 <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>

On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote:
> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.

Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website.

-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
EuroPython Society
http://www.europython-society.org/

> -aj
> 
> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:
> 
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
>> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
>>
>>    https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
>>
>> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
>> adding some additional travel information to the page.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -- 
>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>> Director
>> EuroPython Society
>> http://www.europython-society.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 


From horst at zerokspot.com  Fri May  2 10:02:05 2014
From: horst at zerokspot.com (Horst Gutmann)
Date: Fri, 02 May 2014 10:02:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
 <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
 <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>
Message-ID: <C1FEF37C-C6DD-41B4-AFA6-BD30A58347AB@zerokspot.com>

IMHO we should use this wiki page as kind of a staging ground from which 
we then pick the in the orgas eyes most important info and incorporate 
them into the website. There is room for everyone and the official 
website shouldn't have a monopoly on information related to the 
conference ;-) Otherwise we would have to also implement a photo and 
video hosting solution...

Just my 2c

On 2 May 2014, at 9:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:

> On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote:
>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP 
>> website.
>
> Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website.
>
> -- 
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> Director
> EuroPython Society
> http://www.europython-society.org/
>
>> -aj
>>
>> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to 
>>> collect
>>> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
>>>
>>>  https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
>>>
>>> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've 
>>> started
>>> adding some additional travel information to the page.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -- 
>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>> Director
>>> EuroPython Society
>>> http://www.europython-society.org/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>> EuroPython at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
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From hvdklauw at gmail.com  Fri May  2 10:09:09 2014
From: hvdklauw at gmail.com (Harro van der Klauw)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 10:09:09 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <C1FEF37C-C6DD-41B4-AFA6-BD30A58347AB@zerokspot.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
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 <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>
 <C1FEF37C-C6DD-41B4-AFA6-BD30A58347AB@zerokspot.com>
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I remember the wiki from DjangoCon in Berlin a few years back.
It offered all kinds of useful information about the city itself; where to
go to get some drinks or dinner, the options for mobile internet etc.

Which have nothing to do with the conference itself but really helped me
(and I think other people) getting around Berlin without walking around
aimlessly and having a shitty evening. ;-)

Harro



On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Horst Gutmann <horst at zerokspot.com> wrote:

> IMHO we should use this wiki page as kind of a staging ground from which
> we then pick the in the orgas eyes most important info and incorporate them
> into the website. There is room for everyone and the official website
> shouldn't have a monopoly on information related to the conference ;-)
> Otherwise we would have to also implement a photo and video hosting
> solution...
>
> Just my 2c
>
> On 2 May 2014, at 9:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>
> On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote:
>
> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
>
> Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website.
>
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> Director
> EuroPython Society
> http://www.europython-society.org/
>
> -aj
>
> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg mal at europython.eu:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
>
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
>
> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
> adding some additional travel information to the page.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> Director
> EuroPython Society
> http://www.europython-society.org/
> ------------------------------
>
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> ------------------------------
>
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Fri May  2 10:40:52 2014
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 09:40:52 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <02344CC6-3A45-4BDF-BD7B-3E57A852670C@zopyx.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
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 <CAB-vKOTrTH_DJ1MFDzmOgq91fA4HNS35JoJnsY99v6-dpyUeMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02344CC6-3A45-4BDF-BD7B-3E57A852670C@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CAB-vKORLfHAivosaetjxG3b=g5KaokSSQuF_G6x11bX3gyFhsQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

On 2 May 2014 05:39, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> @John: do you volunteer to incorporate the related info over time
> the EP website?

Ordinarily, I would.

However, yesterday I received some bad news, and I have to go into
hospital next week for a major operation, with a recovery time of
several weeks. So all plans are now subject to change, now even my
attendance at EP in Berlin is doubtful.

Sorry.

All the best,

John
--
>
> Andreas
>
> Am 01.05.2014 um 17:09 schrieb John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On 1 May 2014 07:54, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
>>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
>>
>> Yes, and that's up to the official website maintainers.
>>
>> You're missing the point, Andreas. Delegates can add and share
>> information on the wiki : information which may not be known by, or
>> important to, the organisers.
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> John
>> --
>>
>>>
>>> -aj
>>>
>>> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
>>>> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
>>>>
>>>>   https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
>>>>
>>>> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
>>>> adding some additional travel information to the page.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --
>>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
>>>> Director
>>>> EuroPython Society
>>>> http://www.europython-society.org/
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>>> EuroPython at python.org
>>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>>> EuroPython mailing list
>>> EuroPython at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From holger at merlinux.eu  Fri May  2 10:56:13 2014
From: holger at merlinux.eu (holger krekel)
Date: Fri, 2 May 2014 08:56:13 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAB-vKORLfHAivosaetjxG3b=g5KaokSSQuF_G6x11bX3gyFhsQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>
 <62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
 <CAB-vKOTrTH_DJ1MFDzmOgq91fA4HNS35JoJnsY99v6-dpyUeMw@mail.gmail.com>
 <02344CC6-3A45-4BDF-BD7B-3E57A852670C@zopyx.com>
 <CAB-vKORLfHAivosaetjxG3b=g5KaokSSQuF_G6x11bX3gyFhsQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140502085613.GC1151@merlinux.eu>

hi John,

On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 09:40 +0100, John Pinner wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> On 2 May 2014 05:39, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> > @John: do you volunteer to incorporate the related info over time
> > the EP website?
> 
> Ordinarily, I would.
> 
> However, yesterday I received some bad news, and I have to go into
> hospital next week for a major operation, with a recovery time of
> several weeks. So all plans are now subject to change, now even my
> attendance at EP in Berlin is doubtful.
>
> Sorry.

Oh dear. Wish you the very best and a good recovery!

holger

> All the best,
> 
> John
> --
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> > Am 01.05.2014 um 17:09 schrieb John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On 1 May 2014 07:54, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> >>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
> >>
> >> Yes, and that's up to the official website maintainers.
> >>
> >> You're missing the point, Andreas. Delegates can add and share
> >> information on the wiki : information which may not be known by, or
> >> important to, the organisers.
> >>
> >> All the best,
> >>
> >> John
> >> --
> >>
> >>>
> >>> -aj
> >>>
> >>> Am 30.04.2014 um 15:57 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at europython.eu>:
> >>>
> >>>> Hello all,
> >>>>
> >>>> I've created a EuroPython 2014 wiki which attendees can use to collect
> >>>> useful information or organize themselves at or for the event:
> >>>>
> >>>>   https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
> >>>>
> >>>> Feel free to add information to the page as you see fit. I've started
> >>>> adding some additional travel information to the page.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> --
> >>>> Marc-Andre Lemburg
> >>>> Director
> >>>> EuroPython Society
> >>>> http://www.europython-society.org/
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> >>>> EuroPython mailing list
> >>>> EuroPython at python.org
> >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> >>> EuroPython mailing list
> >>> EuroPython at python.org
> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 

From mal at europython.eu  Sat May  3 12:21:16 2014
From: mal at europython.eu (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 12:21:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <CAH_q4PVDdQgSJGB1JPYfY2cvBPSoc1f8DL-Ge7pqXMv1FmGJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>	<62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>	<53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>	<C1FEF37C-C6DD-41B4-AFA6-BD30A58347AB@zerokspot.com>
 <CAH_q4PVDdQgSJGB1JPYfY2cvBPSoc1f8DL-Ge7pqXMv1FmGJ6A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5364C31C.5040005@europython.eu>

Hello Harro,

On 02.05.2014 10:09, Harro van der Klauw wrote:
> I remember the wiki from DjangoCon in Berlin a few years back.
> It offered all kinds of useful information about the city itself; where to
> go to get some drinks or dinner, the options for mobile internet etc.

Could you perhaps add some of that information to the EPC 2014 wiki
as well, or reference the DjangoCon wiki on the page ?

> Which have nothing to do with the conference itself but really helped me
> (and I think other people) getting around Berlin without walking around
> aimlessly and having a shitty evening. ;-)

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
EuroPython Society
http://www.europython-society.org/

From mal at python.org  Sat May  3 12:59:30 2014
From: mal at python.org (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Sat, 03 May 2014 12:59:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>	<62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
 <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu>
Message-ID: <5364CC12.5000809@python.org>

On 02.05.2014 09:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
> On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote:
>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
> 
> Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website.

Could you perhaps give me edit rights or add a reference to the attendee
wiki to the EP 2014 website ?

https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014

Thanks,
-- 
Marc-Andre Lemburg
Director
Python Software Foundation
http://www.python.org/psf/

From ep at zopyx.com  Mon May  5 08:04:18 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 08:04:18 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <5364CC12.5000809@python.org>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>	<62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
 <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu> <5364CC12.5000809@python.org>
Message-ID: <25AFC3CC-00A0-40A4-A52A-8020EE20EAA7@zopyx.com>


Am 03.05.2014 um 12:59 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org>:

> On 02.05.2014 09:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>> On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote:
>>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
>> 
>> Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website.
> 
> Could you perhaps give me edit rights or add a reference to the attendee
> wiki to the EP 2014 website ?
> 
> https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014


Sorry for answering late but I have been extremely busy over the last few days.

Of course we will grant access to the CMS for volunteers supporting us
with content management etc. I was just surprised seeing uncoordinated
and not communicated efforts regarding the Wiki.

Andreas

From ep at zopyx.com  Mon May  5 18:51:28 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Mon, 5 May 2014 18:51:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 wiki
In-Reply-To: <25AFC3CC-00A0-40A4-A52A-8020EE20EAA7@zopyx.com>
References: <53610135.8000600@europython.eu>	<62E5A906-8391-42FC-B925-AA932F722CAC@zopyx.com>
 <53634DF0.8090001@europython.eu> <5364CC12.5000809@python.org>
 <25AFC3CC-00A0-40A4-A52A-8020EE20EAA7@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CD37B39A-03A8-4F23-9224-7568ADDDC155@zopyx.com>

Hello Marc-Andr?,


Am 05.05.2014 um 08:04 schrieb Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com>:

> 
> Am 03.05.2014 um 12:59 schrieb M.-A. Lemburg <mal at python.org>:
> 
>> On 02.05.2014 09:49, M.-A. Lemburg wrote:
>>> On 01.05.2014 08:54, Andreas Jung wrote:
>>>> Useful information should be incorporated into the official EP website.
>>> 
>>> Sure, but I don't have access to the EP 2014 website.
>> 
>> Could you perhaps give me edit rights or add a reference to the attendee
>> wiki to the EP 2014 website ?
>> 
>> https://wiki.python.org/moin/EuroPython2014
> 
> 
> Sorry for answering late but I have been extremely busy over the last few days.
> 
> Of course we will grant access to the CMS for volunteers supporting us
> with content management etc. I was just surprised seeing uncoordinated
> and not communicated efforts regarding the Wiki.


we would appreciate if you could contribute to the EP organization by taking over
some responsibility for the related areas of the website where people contribute
links and insight through the wiki. The information should be verified and consolidated
into our CMS. Just mail your account name and I will grant you the necessary
rights in the CMS.

Regards
Andreas

From ep at zopyx.com  Tue May  6 10:05:16 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Tue, 6 May 2014 10:05:16 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2014 partner programme survey
Message-ID: <5224628E-307A-4923-BDEB-3960035E818C@zopyx.com>

Hi there,

we have a short survey related related to the partner programme for attendees
coming with their better half or family to Berlin. Please give us some input
about what you may want to see in Berlin or how we can improve your Berlin 
experience.

https://de.surveymonkey.com/s/YWQQNM8

Regards
Andreas

From ep at zopyx.com  Wed May  7 13:22:52 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Wed, 7 May 2014 13:22:52 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Talks and trainings available
Message-ID: <3F9E5E42-09FC-4CEF-AC4D-E463423CD927@zopyx.com>

http://blog.europython.eu/post/85012934882/trainings-and-talks-available

From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu May 15 13:49:19 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svakSha)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:19:19 +0530
Subject: [EuroPython] "Pro rata" ?
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG9bWZVGKSyKuFJ859TiLs0+D0FpD6LcvXcqhkGET0PDWw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

There was a Pyladies email regarding the FA and I was in the middle of
writing the application and realised I didnt quite understand what
this sentence means.
From, https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/financial-assistance/,
"Get a standard ticket for free and we will cover the travel and
accommodation costs pro rata, depending on what you are applying for."

Sorry about the last minute query but can someone explain what the
"pro rata" in this sentence means? AFAIK, a standard dictionary
meaning states that the costs are not fully covered, so would it mean
that partial grants are given? - a bummer for folks from third world
countries like mine. I'm from India and the Rupee-Euro exchange rates
make travel and accommodation costs frightfully expensive, so from one
volunteer to another, I'd rather not waste another volunteers time by
making them read my application and then have to return the
prorata/partial funding at the last minute if I am unable to find a
sponsor for the remaining difference. Have I misunderstood what pro
rata means?

Thanks. - Svaksha  ?  http://about.me/svaksha  ?

From ep at zopyx.com  Thu May 15 14:58:36 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:58:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] "Pro rata" ?
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG9bWZVGKSyKuFJ859TiLs0+D0FpD6LcvXcqhkGET0PDWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN9ztG9bWZVGKSyKuFJ859TiLs0+D0FpD6LcvXcqhkGET0PDWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9A3CBE20-5D69-45A8-8F92-0899649AC936@zopyx.com>

Hi Svaksha,

See 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_rata

It basically means that the financial aid committee has the freedom
to decide how much financial support can be given for travel and 
housing depending on the application, level of volunteering and so on.
Since the budget for financial assistance is not infinite the committee
has to make decisions in order to spread money in a reasonable way the 
across elegible applicats. The decision for the final round will be made
after the deadline  which ends tonight.


Regards
Andreas Jung

Am 15.05.2014 um 13:49 schrieb svakSha <svaksha at gmail.com>:

> Hi,
> 
> There was a Pyladies email regarding the FA and I was in the middle of
> writing the application and realised I didnt quite understand what
> this sentence means.
> From, https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/financial-assistance/,
> "Get a standard ticket for free and we will cover the travel and
> accommodation costs pro rata, depending on what you are applying for."
> 
> Sorry about the last minute query but can someone explain what the
> "pro rata" in this sentence means? AFAIK, a standard dictionary
> meaning states that the costs are not fully covered, so would it mean
> that partial grants are given? - a bummer for folks from third world
> countries like mine. I'm from India and the Rupee-Euro exchange rates
> make travel and accommodation costs frightfully expensive, so from one
> volunteer to another, I'd rather not waste another volunteers time by
> making them read my application and then have to return the
> prorata/partial funding at the last minute if I am unable to find a
> sponsor for the remaining difference. Have I misunderstood what pro
> rata means?
> 
> Thanks. - Svaksha  ?  http://about.me/svaksha  ?
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu May 15 15:45:10 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svakSha)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 19:15:10 +0530
Subject: [EuroPython] "Pro rata" ?
In-Reply-To: <9A3CBE20-5D69-45A8-8F92-0899649AC936@zopyx.com>
References: <CAN9ztG9bWZVGKSyKuFJ859TiLs0+D0FpD6LcvXcqhkGET0PDWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9A3CBE20-5D69-45A8-8F92-0899649AC936@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG80nWmJ=HnOhm_SQuCakoLBXm0Ky2OFaZnkwotLW6KDog@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> Hi Svaksha,
>
> See
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_rata
>
> It basically means that the financial aid committee has the freedom
> to decide how much financial support can be given for travel and
> housing depending on the application, level of volunteering and so on.
> Since the budget for financial assistance is not infinite the committee
> has to make decisions in order to spread money in a reasonable way the
> across elegible applicats. The decision for the final round will be made
> after the deadline  which ends tonight.

Thanks for the reply Andreas. I agree with your observation that
budgets are always limited. Basically, I'm trying to understand how FA
is disbursed because in the past, I've never quite managed to bridge
the (huge) gap between the grant and the actual amount required for
travel costs, accommodation costs, etc..

To explain, for example, Pycon grants are fixed amounts distributed
between travel, ticket, hotel, tutorial, conf, etc.. This break-up
means I cannot find a sponsor for travel and use that grant amount to
offset the accommodation costs.  So, four years in a row, I have had
to return the FA received from Pycon (USA) at the last minute, as its
harder to find sponsors for multiple things as opposed to requesting
they fund either "travel" or "hotel" for 'N' amount. This means I
increase the work for the volunteer who will then have to re-allocate
the grant amount or worse, I blocked someone else who could have
attended easily in that grant amount.

This was the information I was looking for as pro rata seemed similar
to the above and I wanted to avoid giving extra work to everyone
involved. Hope that explains.
Thanks,- SVAKSHA  ?  http://about.me/svaksha  ?

From Carina.Haupt at dlr.de  Thu May 15 16:09:51 2014
From: Carina.Haupt at dlr.de (Carina.Haupt at dlr.de)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 14:09:51 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] "Pro rata" ?
In-Reply-To: <CAN9ztG80nWmJ=HnOhm_SQuCakoLBXm0Ky2OFaZnkwotLW6KDog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN9ztG9bWZVGKSyKuFJ859TiLs0+D0FpD6LcvXcqhkGET0PDWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9A3CBE20-5D69-45A8-8F92-0899649AC936@zopyx.com>
 <CAN9ztG80nWmJ=HnOhm_SQuCakoLBXm0Ky2OFaZnkwotLW6KDog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BE6416408C0A1B46AD4027222AD4FE491651D96F@dlrexmbx02.intra.dlr.de>

Hi Svaksha,

there is no rule if somebody gets a full coverage of the cost or just a partial. It depends on the amount of the costs, the fulfilled requirements, and some other attributes, also including the country of origin. Regarding your specific request: If category 3 is granted part wise, it does not mean you get a specific percentage of your costs, but that either you get a specific amount of money to spend as you like or we offer you a pays abed in a hostel i.e.. We always try to figure out a way which fits best for the person applying, so just state your situation in your application and if you get considered for a grant, we will try to find a solution.

Best regards
Carina

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: EuroPython [mailto:europython-
> bounces+carina.haupt=dlr.de at python.org] Im Auftrag von svakSha
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 15. Mai 2014 15:45
> An: europython at python.org
> Betreff: Re: [EuroPython] "Pro rata" ?
> 
> On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 6:28 PM, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> > Hi Svaksha,
> >
> > See
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_rata
> >
> > It basically means that the financial aid committee has the freedom to
> > decide how much financial support can be given for travel and housing
> > depending on the application, level of volunteering and so on.
> > Since the budget for financial assistance is not infinite the
> > committee has to make decisions in order to spread money in a
> > reasonable way the across elegible applicats. The decision for the
> > final round will be made after the deadline  which ends tonight.
> 
> Thanks for the reply Andreas. I agree with your observation that budgets are
> always limited. Basically, I'm trying to understand how FA is disbursed
> because in the past, I've never quite managed to bridge the (huge) gap
> between the grant and the actual amount required for travel costs,
> accommodation costs, etc..
> 
> To explain, for example, Pycon grants are fixed amounts distributed
> between travel, ticket, hotel, tutorial, conf, etc.. This break-up means I
> cannot find a sponsor for travel and use that grant amount to offset the
> accommodation costs.  So, four years in a row, I have had to return the FA
> received from Pycon (USA) at the last minute, as its harder to find sponsors
> for multiple things as opposed to requesting they fund either "travel" or
> "hotel" for 'N' amount. This means I increase the work for the volunteer who
> will then have to re-allocate the grant amount or worse, I blocked someone
> else who could have attended easily in that grant amount.
> 
> This was the information I was looking for as pro rata seemed similar to the
> above and I wanted to avoid giving extra work to everyone involved. Hope
> that explains.
> Thanks,- SVAKSHA  ?  http://about.me/svaksha  ?
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From svaksha at gmail.com  Thu May 15 22:37:54 2014
From: svaksha at gmail.com (svakSha)
Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 02:07:54 +0530
Subject: [EuroPython] "Pro rata" ?
In-Reply-To: <BE6416408C0A1B46AD4027222AD4FE491651D96F@dlrexmbx02.intra.dlr.de>
References: <CAN9ztG9bWZVGKSyKuFJ859TiLs0+D0FpD6LcvXcqhkGET0PDWw@mail.gmail.com>
 <9A3CBE20-5D69-45A8-8F92-0899649AC936@zopyx.com>
 <CAN9ztG80nWmJ=HnOhm_SQuCakoLBXm0Ky2OFaZnkwotLW6KDog@mail.gmail.com>
 <BE6416408C0A1B46AD4027222AD4FE491651D96F@dlrexmbx02.intra.dlr.de>
Message-ID: <CAN9ztG-wPbOR=RENVp1D+kvX+yT_FmY+p=z3Ck3tbr-Myq0bJA@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 15, 2014 at 7:39 PM,  <Carina.Haupt at dlr.de> wrote:
> Hi Svaksha,
>
> there is no rule if somebody gets a full coverage of the cost or just a partial. It depends on the amount of the costs, the fulfilled requirements, and some other attributes, also including the country of origin. Regarding your specific request: If category 3 is granted part wise, it does not mean you get a specific percentage of your costs, but that either you get a specific amount of money to spend as you like or we offer you a pays abed in a hostel i.e.. We always try to figure out a way which fits best for the person applying, so just state your situation in your application and if you get considered for a grant, we will try to find a solution.
>
> Best regards
> Carina

Hi Carina,
Thanks for the clarification. Its nice to know that EP is flexible
about the FA and the applicant can customize it as per her needs.
Best,
Svaksha.

From roberto.polli at babel.it  Tue May 20 19:02:58 2014
From: roberto.polli at babel.it (Roberto Polli)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2014 19:02:58 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Speaker: editing talk/training description.
Message-ID: <1635539.Ya8vOXNQJy@rpolli>

Hi @all,

the original talk/training description I used  was quite long: the aim was to 
to give enough information to the reviewers.

Is it possible to edit them?


I suppose that they are:
 * too long to be printed on a paper schedule/program;
 * too detailed (I'll provide a draft of the slides before the conference so 
that interested people can still get all the required infos.).

Thx + Peace,
R. 
-- 
Roberto Polli
Community Manager
Babel - a business unit of Par-Tec S.p.A. - http://www.babel.it 
T: +39.06.9826.9651 M: +39.340.652.2736 F: +39.06.9826.9680
P.zza S.Benedetto da Norcia, 33 - 00040 Pomezia (Roma)

CONFIDENZIALE: Questo messaggio ed i suoi allegati sono di carattere 
confidenziale per i destinatari in indirizzo.
E' vietato l'inoltro non autorizzato a destinatari diversi da quelli indicati 
nel messaggio originale.
Se ricevuto per errore, l'uso del contenuto e' proibito; si prega di 
comunicarlo al mittente e cancellarlo immediatamente.

From Carina.Haupt at dlr.de  Wed May 21 18:43:51 2014
From: Carina.Haupt at dlr.de (Carina.Haupt at dlr.de)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2014 16:43:51 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Europython Speaker: editing talk/training
 description.
In-Reply-To: <1635539.Ya8vOXNQJy@rpolli>
References: <1635539.Ya8vOXNQJy@rpolli>
Message-ID: <BE6416408C0A1B46AD4027222AD4FE49165294A4@dlrexmbx02.intra.dlr.de>

Hi,

please send a mail to our helpdesk (helpdesk at europython.eu) for issues of this kind.

Best regards
Carina

> -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: EuroPython [mailto:europython-
> bounces+carina.haupt=dlr.de at python.org] Im Auftrag von Roberto Polli
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 20. Mai 2014 19:03
> An: europython at python.org
> Betreff: [EuroPython] Europython Speaker: editing talk/training description.
> 
> Hi @all,
> 
> the original talk/training description I used  was quite long: the aim was to to
> give enough information to the reviewers.
> 
> Is it possible to edit them?
> 
> 
> I suppose that they are:
>  * too long to be printed on a paper schedule/program;
>  * too detailed (I'll provide a draft of the slides before the conference so that
> interested people can still get all the required infos.).
> 
> Thx + Peace,
> R.
> --
> Roberto Polli
> Community Manager
> Babel - a business unit of Par-Tec S.p.A. - http://www.babel.it
> T: +39.06.9826.9651 M: +39.340.652.2736 F: +39.06.9826.9680 P.zza
> S.Benedetto da Norcia, 33 - 00040 Pomezia (Roma)
> 
> CONFIDENZIALE: Questo messaggio ed i suoi allegati sono di carattere
> confidenziale per i destinatari in indirizzo.
> E' vietato l'inoltro non autorizzato a destinatari diversi da quelli indicati nel
> messaggio originale.
> Se ricevuto per errore, l'uso del contenuto e' proibito; si prega di comunicarlo
> al mittente e cancellarlo immediatamente.
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com  Fri May 23 12:28:20 2014
From: oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com (Oisin Mulvihill)
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 11:28:20 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
Message-ID: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi There,

Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two
"early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid
EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on
receipt of payment.

Is anyone interested?

Thanks,

Oisin
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From ep at zopyx.com  Mon May 26 17:45:48 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 17:45:48 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>

Hello Osin

early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons
based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of the ticket
price.

https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf

Regards
Andreas Jung


Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:

> Hi There,
> 
> Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment. 
> 
> Is anyone interested? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Oisin
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:42:31 2014
From: oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com (Oisin Mulvihill)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 17:42:31 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF_5-+Mn0-QcCXBjjNwbnSrhMTp5BUo01gh5urjfCd55ZEHdw@mail.gmail.com>

I thought you could assign it to anyone on the system. I could assign it
without selling it?

That seems a bit unfair, particularly since they will sell again for full
price. I've no problem donating to python, but this doesn't exactly fit
with the spirit of europython's I know. Its seem unusually money grabbing.

I guess rules must be followed...


On 26 May 2014 16:45, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:

> Hello Osin
>
> early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons
> based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of
> the ticket
> price.
>
>
> https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf
>
> Regards
> Andreas Jung
>
>
> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com
> >:
>
> > Hi There,
> >
> > Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two
> "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid
> EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on
> receipt of payment.
> >
> > Is anyone interested?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Oisin
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
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From oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:52:08 2014
From: oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com (Oisin Mulvihill)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 17:52:08 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CA+=+wqDPvsbe-r2feqF-ECn+dvGpOK2=yLdCZRe4SPP4q8P2TQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
 <CA+=+wqDPvsbe-r2feqF-ECn+dvGpOK2=yLdCZRe4SPP4q8P2TQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF_5-JLb+paSH7=x14We803B_b2mD2iOiCxD0Q_hZK9gRPDsA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Petr,

The terms and conditions do seem to read as if I can do this. This was my
original reason for trying to give someone else the benefit and face value.

All the best,

Oisin


On 26 May 2014 17:46, Petr Viktorin <encukou at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
> Can anyone point me to where in the Terms & Conditions this is stated?
> In section 4 it says "Alternatively, another participant may be named
> as a substitute, at no extra cost", and I can't find an exception for
> early bird tickets.
>
> On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> > Hello Osin
> >
> > early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other
> persons
> > based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of
> the ticket
> > price.
> >
> >
> https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf
> >
> > Regards
> > Andreas Jung
> >
> >
> > Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <
> oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> Hi There,
> >>
> >> Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two
> "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid
> EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on
> receipt of payment.
> >>
> >> Is anyone interested?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Oisin
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> >> EuroPython mailing list
> >> EuroPython at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
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From encukou at gmail.com  Mon May 26 18:46:02 2014
From: encukou at gmail.com (Petr Viktorin)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 18:46:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CA+=+wqDPvsbe-r2feqF-ECn+dvGpOK2=yLdCZRe4SPP4q8P2TQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
Can anyone point me to where in the Terms & Conditions this is stated?
In section 4 it says "Alternatively, another participant may be named
as a substitute, at no extra cost", and I can't find an exception for
early bird tickets.

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> Hello Osin
>
> early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons
> based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of the ticket
> price.
>
> https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf
>
> Regards
> Andreas Jung
>
>
> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
>
>> Hi There,
>>
>> Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment.
>>
>> Is anyone interested?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Oisin
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From ep at zopyx.com  Mon May 26 19:56:51 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 19:56:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CAOF_5-+Mn0-QcCXBjjNwbnSrhMTp5BUo01gh5urjfCd55ZEHdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
 <CAOF_5-+Mn0-QcCXBjjNwbnSrhMTp5BUo01gh5urjfCd55ZEHdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EDB11CE5-9ECE-47BF-AF10-FB48D900794C@zopyx.com>

Hello,

https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/ticket-sale/

states

???

Discounts

Discounts are available for

	? Speakers: 25%

	? Trainers and keynote speakers: 100%

Discounts will be reimbursed at a later time after the scheduling has been completed.

Early Bird tickets can not be transferred to other persons.
??"

This clause exists in order to avoid people buying lots of early bird tickets in batches
in order to resell them later. This is the reason why early bird tickets can not be transferred.

Regards
Andreas


Am 26.05.2014 um 18:42 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:

> I thought you could assign it to anyone on the system. I could assign it without selling it? 
> 
> That seems a bit unfair, particularly since they will sell again for full price. I've no problem donating to python, but this doesn't exactly fit with the spirit of europython's I know. Its seem unusually money grabbing. 
> 
> I guess rules must be followed...
> 
> 
> On 26 May 2014 16:45, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> Hello Osin
> 
> early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons
> based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of the ticket
> price.
> 
> https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf
> 
> Regards
> Andreas Jung
> 
> 
> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
> 
> > Hi There,
> >
> > Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment.
> >
> > Is anyone interested?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Oisin
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> 
> 


From encukou at gmail.com  Mon May 26 20:11:54 2014
From: encukou at gmail.com (Petr Viktorin)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 20:11:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <EDB11CE5-9ECE-47BF-AF10-FB48D900794C@zopyx.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
 <CAOF_5-+Mn0-QcCXBjjNwbnSrhMTp5BUo01gh5urjfCd55ZEHdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <EDB11CE5-9ECE-47BF-AF10-FB48D900794C@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CA+=+wqBkixLrC5w1nSrfD_EF4Ni1KUpd2Y97Zt_J6QA2Y0k_Yg@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/ticket-sale/
>
> states
>
> ???
>
> Discounts
>
> Discounts are available for
>
>         ? Speakers: 25%
>
>         ? Trainers and keynote speakers: 100%
>
> Discounts will be reimbursed at a later time after the scheduling has been completed.
>
> Early Bird tickets can not be transferred to other persons.
> ??"
>
> This clause exists in order to avoid people buying lots of early bird tickets in batches
> in order to resell them later. This is the reason why early bird tickets can not be transferred.
>
> Regards
> Andreas

I see. Thanks for making that clear!

> Am 26.05.2014 um 18:42 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
>
>> I thought you could assign it to anyone on the system. I could assign it without selling it?
>>
>> That seems a bit unfair, particularly since they will sell again for full price. I've no problem donating to python, but this doesn't exactly fit with the spirit of europython's I know. Its seem unusually money grabbing.
>>
>> I guess rules must be followed...
>>
>>
>> On 26 May 2014 16:45, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
>> Hello Osin
>>
>> early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other persons
>> based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of the ticket
>> price.
>>
>> https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf
>>
>> Regards
>> Andreas Jung
>>
>>
>> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
>>
>> > Hi There,
>> >
>> > Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment.
>> >
>> > Is anyone interested?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Oisin
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> > EuroPython mailing list
>> > EuroPython at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From rob.collins at pythonpro.co.uk  Mon May 26 23:04:36 2014
From: rob.collins at pythonpro.co.uk (Rob Collins)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2014 22:04:36 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CA+=+wqBkixLrC5w1nSrfD_EF4Ni1KUpd2Y97Zt_J6QA2Y0k_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
 <CAOF_5-+Mn0-QcCXBjjNwbnSrhMTp5BUo01gh5urjfCd55ZEHdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <EDB11CE5-9ECE-47BF-AF10-FB48D900794C@zopyx.com>
 <CA+=+wqBkixLrC5w1nSrfD_EF4Ni1KUpd2Y97Zt_J6QA2Y0k_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFXQrbpT9h+L-cu0Hj0=BnuAwxmRsknKbRBOwBHf0ZszwBDe=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andreas

I too, read the terms and conditions, when I realised that I would be
unable to attend EuroPython 2014. As instructed, I sent an email to the
help desk on 1 May 2014.


> * HelloUnfortunately, for family health and other reasons, I will not be
> able to attend EuroPython in Berlin this year. *


>
> *I bought an early bird ticket. Is there a way that I can legitimately
> resell this, or can I get a refund on it, so you can resell it as a
> full-price ticket? Thanks,Rob Collins*


To date, I have had no reply, from the help desk or anybody else.

> This clause exists in order to avoid people buying lots of early bird
tickets in batches
> in order to resell them later.

I understand that you want to stop people profiteering by buying lots of
early bird tickets, and reselling them later. But I am one person, wanting
to sell one business ticket at face value. As Petr pointed out, nothing in
the General Terms & Conditions for participation in the EuroPython 2014
conference says that I can't do this, and indeed states that "another
participant may be named as a substitute, at no extra cost".

My ticket page under "Your tickets" confirms that a transfer is expected,
asking me to assign the ticket to a user.


> *Early Bird Business: Rob CollinsThis ticket is not assigned to a specific
> user account. Hence we will only print the name and organization given
> during the purchase process of the ticket on the badge. For more
> flexibility and more information on the badge, please assign the ticket to
> a user. This may require the intended owner to sign-up if no account has
> been creat*ed before.


All you need to do to stop profiteering on discounts, is to say that
tickets may only be transferred at face value, and put a number limit on
that to avoid bulk reselling.

Yet you are saying that for a ?450 early bird ticket to be refunded (rather
than sold at the same price) I must pay a ?90 administration fee. And that
is only if the help desk actually replies to me before your deadline in
June. It makes bank charges look cheap!

Please sort this out...

Best wishes

Rob Collins


On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:11 PM, Petr Viktorin <encukou at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, May 26, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/registration/ticket-sale/
> >
> > states
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Discounts
> >
> > Discounts are available for
> >
> >         ? Speakers: 25%
> >
> >         ? Trainers and keynote speakers: 100%
> >
> > Discounts will be reimbursed at a later time after the scheduling has
> been completed.
> >
> > Early Bird tickets can not be transferred to other persons.
> > ??"
> >
> > This clause exists in order to avoid people buying lots of early bird
> tickets in batches
> > in order to resell them later. This is the reason why early bird tickets
> can not be transferred.
> >
> > Regards
> > Andreas
>
> I see. Thanks for making that clear!
>
> > Am 26.05.2014 um 18:42 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <
> oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
> >
> >> I thought you could assign it to anyone on the system. I could assign
> it without selling it?
> >>
> >> That seems a bit unfair, particularly since they will sell again for
> full price. I've no problem donating to python, but this doesn't exactly
> fit with the spirit of europython's I know. Its seem unusually money
> grabbing.
> >>
> >> I guess rules must be followed...
> >>
> >>
> >> On 26 May 2014 16:45, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
> >> Hello Osin
> >>
> >> early bird personal tickets can not be transferred or sold to other
> persons
> >> based on our terms and conditions but you can apply for a 80% refund of
> the ticket
> >> price.
> >>
> >>
> https://media.ep14.org/site_media/filer_public/92/aa/92aa7941-c0ee-481f-bb7f-30e58897cc8d/europython2014_gtc_v11_20140205_17-03-00en.pdf
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Andreas Jung
> >>
> >>
> >> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <
> oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:
> >>
> >> > Hi There,
> >> >
> >> > Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two
> "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid
> EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on
> receipt of payment.
> >> >
> >> > Is anyone interested?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> >
> >> > Oisin
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> >> > EuroPython mailing list
> >> > EuroPython at python.org
> >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> >>
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
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From ep at zopyx.com  Tue May 27 06:46:13 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 06:46:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CAFXQrbpT9h+L-cu0Hj0=BnuAwxmRsknKbRBOwBHf0ZszwBDe=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <31E7F259-B985-4116-AD3D-C87030FAF7BD@zopyx.com>
 <CAOF_5-+Mn0-QcCXBjjNwbnSrhMTp5BUo01gh5urjfCd55ZEHdw@mail.gmail.com>
 <EDB11CE5-9ECE-47BF-AF10-FB48D900794C@zopyx.com>
 <CA+=+wqBkixLrC5w1nSrfD_EF4Ni1KUpd2Y97Zt_J6QA2Y0k_Yg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hello Rob,

Am 26.05.2014 um 23:04 schrieb Rob Collins <rob.collins at pythonpro.co.uk>:

> Hi Andreas
> 
> I too, read the terms and conditions, when I realised that I would be unable to attend EuroPython 2014. As instructed, I sent an email to the help desk on 1 May 2014.
> 
> Hello
> Unfortunately, for family health and other reasons, I will not be able to attend EuroPython in Berlin this year.  
> I bought an early bird ticket. Is there a way that I can legitimately resell this, or can I get a refund on it, so you can resell it as a full-price ticket?
> Thanks,
> Rob Collins
> 
> To date, I have had no reply, from the help desk or anybody else.


according to our tracker we replied on 06/05/2014 by email:

"??
Dear Rob,
as of our GTC you have two options:
	? You can name another person for your ticket at no costs.
	? You can cancel your Application. Participation fees already paid will
be returned in the amount of 80% of the ticket price of our invoice EP14-00165 within 30 days.
Best regards, Daniel

"??

Andreas

From ep at zopyx.com  Tue May 27 11:36:29 2014
From: ep at zopyx.com (Andreas Jung)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 11:36:29 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67CB3CC5-649C-40AD-83E2-D4714F944EFE@zopyx.com>

Hello Oisin,

we decided that you can go forward and transfer your tickets to other persons
through 

https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/tickets/mine/

(you need to specify the usernames of the target persons).

I hope this solves your problem.

Regards
Andreas

Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com>:

> Hi There,
> 
> Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on receipt of payment. 
> 
> Is anyone interested? 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Oisin
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython


From oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com  Tue May 27 12:15:09 2014
From: oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com (Oisin Mulvihill)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2014 11:15:09 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <67CB3CC5-649C-40AD-83E2-D4714F944EFE@zopyx.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <67CB3CC5-649C-40AD-83E2-D4714F944EFE@zopyx.com>
Message-ID: <CAOF_5-+r0+4jXXBPXWfPiPVFAb3A_A9kGDDg1mMad6HcqL-mfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you Andreas.


On 27 May 2014 10:36, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:

> Hello Oisin,
>
> we decided that you can go forward and transfer your tickets to other
> persons
> through
>
> https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/tickets/mine/
>
> (you need to specify the usernames of the target persons).
>
> I hope this solves your problem.
>
> Regards
> Andreas
>
> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com
> >:
>
> > Hi There,
> >
> > Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two
> "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid
> EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on
> receipt of payment.
> >
> > Is anyone interested?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Oisin
> > _______________________________________________
> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> > EuroPython mailing list
> > EuroPython at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>
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From rob.collins at foldingsoftware.com  Wed May 28 13:30:24 2014
From: rob.collins at foldingsoftware.com (Rob Collins)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2014 12:30:24 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] two tickets for europython up for grabs anyone
	interested?
In-Reply-To: <CAOF_5-+r0+4jXXBPXWfPiPVFAb3A_A9kGDDg1mMad6HcqL-mfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOF_5-KNhGUBaAZsvfDejf-3OX-eA-hkSrJR=v07zV4pCtnHaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <67CB3CC5-649C-40AD-83E2-D4714F944EFE@zopyx.com>
 <CAOF_5-+r0+4jXXBPXWfPiPVFAb3A_A9kGDDg1mMad6HcqL-mfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPOH6L6FztER8qFnHL91XaS7PY85P6kV_fdrkf1qtEBGq7YbYg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andreas

Thank you for the clarification.

Best wishes
Rob Collins


On 27 May 2014 11:15, Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you Andreas.
>
>
> On 27 May 2014 10:36, Andreas Jung <ep at zopyx.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Oisin,
>>
>> we decided that you can go forward and transfer your tickets to other
>> persons
>> through
>>
>> https://ep2014.europython.eu/en/tickets/mine/
>>
>> (you need to specify the usernames of the target persons).
>>
>> I hope this solves your problem.
>>
>> Regards
>> Andreas
>>
>> Am 23.05.2014 um 12:28 schrieb Oisin Mulvihill <oisin.mulvihill at gmail.com
>> >:
>>
>> > Hi There,
>> >
>> > Regretfully I cannot now attend EuroPython 2014 in Berlin. I have two
>> "early bird personal tickets" which I can sell for face value. I paid
>> EUR300 per ticket in my case. I can assign the tickets to each person on
>> receipt of payment.
>> >
>> > Is anyone interested?
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Oisin
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
>> > EuroPython mailing list
>> > EuroPython at python.org
>> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython 2014 - July 21th-27th in Berlin
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
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