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<h2>New Developer Info</h2>
If you have coded a neat IDLEfork patch to close a bug, or improve an undesireable feature, or for any other purpose, thanks a lot! 8^) You can contribute your patch through IDLEfork's <a href="http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=9579">SourceForge Patch Manager</a>.<p>
If you want to make an ongoing contribution to IDLEfork you can ask to become a developer on the project. If you think you'd like to become an IDLEfork developer, please follow the steps outlined in the next few paragraphs.<p>
First check out the IDLEfork / IDLE "<a href="mission.html">Mission Statement</a>", to see if your ideas for contributing to IDLEfork fit in with the overall aims of the project.<p>
If so, and if you haven't done so already, now would be a good time to check out a CVS copy of IDLEfork, or at least <a href="http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/idlefork/">browse the CVS tree at SourceForge</a> to get a better feel for whether the IDLEfork codebase is something you'd feel happy working on.<p>
Lastly you should have a look at IDLEfork's <a href="tasks.php">Current Tasks</a> list, to see which of the items on there, that aren't currently assigned to anyone, you'd like to volunteer for. Of course If you'd like to volunteer your time to bring a whole new task or subtask into IDLEfork, we'd like to hear about that too.<p>
If you made it this far and you're still interested in hacking on IDLEfork (and who wouldn't be?:), then <a href="http://www.python.org/mailman/listinfo/idle-dev">join the idle-dev mailing list</a> and float your ideas there, or email the project coordinator <a href="mailto:elguavas@users.sourceforge.net">Stephen M. Gava <elguavas@users.sourceforge.net></a>. All help welcome!
<h2><br>Developer Resources</h2>
For pointers on working on a cooperative development project at SourceForge, there are a couple of good information sources.<p>
Python's own CVS tree is now located at SourceForge, and the <a href="http://python.sourceforge.net">Python at SourceForge</a> page contains a great <a href="http://python.sourceforge.net/sf-faq.html">FAQ</a> they have compiled which answers most of the questions you might have about working with a shared CVS codebase in the SourceForge environment. Most of the info in this FAQ is transferable to working on IDLEfork.<p>
Another useful source of info on these topics is of course SourceForge's own <a href="http://sourceforge.net/docman/?group_id=1">Project Documentation Pages</a>, which are fairly exhaustive and cover many of the topics a developer on a project at the site might have questions about.<p>
If your questions aren't answered in either of these places of course you can always ask one of the other developers on IDLEfork about his stuff too!
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<h2>Introduction</h2>
The IDLEfork project is an official experimental development fork of
<a href="http://www.python.org">Python</a>'s
small, light, 'bundled' integrated development environment, IDLE. Changes
to this version that are approved by Python's benevolent dictator
for life (python's creator, Guido van Rossum) will go back into the stable distribution version.<p>
The IDLEfork project is hosted by <a href="http://sourceforge.net">SourceForge</a> and its project page can be found at: <a href="http://sourceforge.net/projects/idlefork">http://sourceforge.net/projects/idlefork</a> .<p>
<a href="http://www.python.org">Python</a> is an open source, general purpose, object oriented computer programming language. Python's power, flexibility, clarity, ease of use and ease of maintenance sees it currently being used by a large and rapidly increasing number of individuals, and organisations large and small, commercial and non-commercial, around the world. It is in use for open and closed source projects ranging in scope from trivial to immensely complex. Python code is automatically byte-compiled to run efficiently in it's interpreter, without change on a wide variety of platforms.<p>
<h2><br>How To Contribute</h2>
Everyone interested in IDLE is invited to contribute to the IDLEfork by
means of <b>discussion</b>, <b>bug reports</b> and coding nifty <b>patches</b>. If you want to contribute code to IDLEfork regularly, you can become a developer by mailing the project coordinator, <a href="mailto:elguavas@users.sourceforge.net">Stephen M. Gava</a>. See the <a href="developer.html">Developer Info</a> page first.<br>
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<dd><p>Discussion of development for IDLE is carried out on the
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<a href="http://www.python.org">Python Language Website</a>.
Subscription information for idle-dev can be found at:
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<dt><b>Bug Reports</b>
<dd><p>IDLEfork uses the Bug Tracking facility provided by SourceForge. It
can be found at:
<a href="http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=9579">http://sourceforge.net/bugs/?group_id=9579</a>.<p>
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<dd><p>To submit patches, the Patch Manager at SourceForge is used. This can be found at:
<a href="http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=9579">http://sourceforge.net/patch/?group_id=9579</a>.
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<h2>The IDLE / IDLEfork Mission Statment</h2>
In late June 2001 there was a lot of discussion on the idle-dev mailing list about what the aims of IDLE (and therefore IDLEfork) are. As a result of these discussions, and the imprimatur of Guido van Rossum, the IDLEfork project was reborn in its currrent form, and a general set of guidelines on what IDLE is and should be were nutted out. What follows is an attempt to distill these ideas into point form as a general 'statement of purpose' for IDLE / IDLEfork, useful as a guide to anyone who is interested in the why and wherefore of IDLE.<p>
These points are borrowed from the input of many who participated in the above discussion and are presented here in no particular order. Thanks to all who contributed to this clarification of IDLE's raison d'etre.<p>
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<li>IDLE aims to be nothing more or less than a small, light, integrated development environment that is bundled by default in the standard Python distribution, with a major emphasis on being simple to use for beginners in Python programming. It should (and does) contain a debugger, editor and interactive shell window that understand the Python syntax and environment and share features such as syntax highlighting. Because of its inclusion with Python it is available to first time, casual, and resource limited users for free.<br>
<li>IDLE should remain under the ultimate control of GvR, just like the rest of Python. Neither of them would be as good as they are now if weren't for his work and stewardship.<br>
<li>IDLE's UI is written in Tkinter, and will stay in Tkinter, because it is the default Python GUI toolkit and is bundled with most python versions and is portable to many of the platforms Python runs on.<br>
<li>IDLE itself provides an extended, non-trivial example of Python and Tkinter programming.<br>
<li>IDLE should remain at roughly its current (apparent) level of complexity (or less), to avoid harming its usability by beginning / intermediate programmers.<br>
<li>IDLE development should not get tied in knots trying to be all things to all people or attempting to be completely compatible with every other Python IDE out there. When it comes to IDEs, there is obviously more than one way to do it, but Guido has shown us the IDLE way and development should continue along these lines.<br>
<li>IDLE's current stability and useability will be improved steadily and incrementally by the merging of proven new features developed in the experimental IDLEfork.<br>
<li>There's no reason to have just one Python IDE (indeed there are already many available, commercial and non-commercial, and with various approaches to the task, and there are even more in development), however, it is arguable that there should be one basic IDE that ships standard with Python under the same license agreement. IDLE fills this niche.<br>
<li>As for everyone, everywhere standardising on some same "right" IDE for their Python development work: it's never going to happen, nor should it. IDLE should merely fulfil its own role as outlined above. That role doesn't include being "the" Python IDE, even if it is the one that ships by default, as part of the standard distro.<p>
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<dt><b>24th July 2001</b>
<dd><p>New IDLEfork project web pages now online.<p>
<dt><b>21st July 2001</b>
<dd><p>Release 0.8.1 of IDLEfork made. This is an alpha release to mark the finish of the merge of the stable IDLE (now post 0.8) cvs changes, and the beginning of a new phase of development. See the SourceForge
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<dt><b>23rd June 2001</b>
<dd><p>As a result of a lively discussion on idle-dev about the future of IDLE, the IDLEfork project is 'reborn', at the behest of GvR, under a new coordinator, Stephen M. Gava. First cab off the rank in an ambitious list of potential improvements is to bring IDLEfork up to date with the changes made in stable IDLE cvs over the last year.<p>
<dt><b>15th August 2000</b>
<dd><p>Release 0.7.1 of IDLEfork made. This release was based on a merging of stable IDLE version 0.5 and the VPython idle fork, with additional coding by David Scherer, Peter Schneider-Kamp, and Nicholas Riley.<p>
<dt><b>10th August 2000</b>
<dd><p>IDLE fork project is initially set up by Peter Schneider-Kamp, at GvR's suggestion, to encourage further development of IDLE without disturbing stable IDLE.<p>
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IDLEfork - Current Tasks
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CVS Maintenance
Weekly (approx.) merges from stable IDLE. Kurt B. Kaiser
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Documentation
New Section of Python Standard Documentation Stephen M. Gava
on IDLE. For reference and use as in-program
help.
IDLEfork website. Stephen M. Gava
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Separate Process Execution
for programs being developed in IDLE
(to be worked on in a branch)
Compare / evaluate David Scherer (currently ?
in IDLEfork) v. GvR code for this and
implement best solution.
Solve rpc security problems. ?
(evaluate xml rpc?) ?
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Stabilisation
Finish initial merge cleanup / fixup to ?
stable state. Get debugging working!
Bug fixing. Everyone
Testing. Everyone
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Edit/Shell/Output window interaction
Output window from run to be shell window ?
(as done in TeachScheme) so that globals
etc. can be examined interactively.
Fix shell environment reset for each run ?
/ delimit and scroll for each run.
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User Configuration / UI Improvements
Overhaul configuration file handling. Stephen M. Gava
Key binding configuration. Stephen M. Gava
Font configuration. Stephen M. Gava
Colour configuration. Stephen M. Gava
General look and feel issues Stephen M. Gava
(appearance / consistency /
uniform help access, etc.).
About box. Stephen M. Gava
Context sensitive language/library help ?
(by python documentation lookup).
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Program Startup
Rationalise multiple startup methods/files. Stephen M. Gava
Re-implement command line handling sanely. Stephen M. Gava
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Release manager. Stephen M. Gava
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The table below shows the main top level tasks and subtasks that are in the current scope of the IDLEfork project, and who, if anyone, is the main developer these tasks are currently asssigned to.<p>
Some of these tasks are ongoing, but as other subtasks and tasks on this list get satifactorily completed, new items will be moved in to take their places according to a mixture of developer consensus and executive decision by GvR. Please remember that all the developers on IDLEfork are donating their time and effort to the project, so don't expect any miracles overnight. ;-)<p>
If you'd like to see a new task or subtask move into the project's current scope, please see the <a href="developer.html">Developer Info</a> page and consider donating the effort along with the idea!<p>
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