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Bruce Sherwood Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu
Sun Aug 24 23:37:45 CEST 2008

Thanks for the advertising!

Indeed, VPython is very far from a cross-platform GUI (or 3D) framework 
that is very much needed. A year ago I went through much pain trying to 
use GTK2 for VPython on Windows, Mac, and Linux. You might be interested 
in my essay about the daunting problems. See the "For developers" 
section of vpython.org.

Bruce Sherwood

Scott David Daniels wrote:
> Bruce Sherwood wrote:
>> Scott David Daniels wrote:
>>> ....  I have for some time had the sneaky suspicion that there is 
>>> something small inside these GUI monsters crying to get
>>> out, but I've felt that way since 1980, and I've never read anything 
>>> that makes me think,
>>>     "Ahh, _that_ is how you do it simply and clearly."
>>> So, perhaps I won't ever see that simplicity....
>> I'll mention that there exists an easy to use module for Python that 
>> creates navigable 3D animations, and simple GUI's, with remarkably 
>> little effort. See vpython.org; upon installation there are lots of 
>> example programs you can run (most easily from IDLE).
> Bruce is absolutely right, VPython does a great job of making a
> complicated GUI environment simple.  I guess I mean that I think
> there is a simple underlying model of _all_ GUI interfaces that is
> not yet well-expressed or available.  I think PostScript comes as
> close as we've got to 2-D image description (at least for diagrams),
> but it has a _very_ operational, rather than declarative feel, and
> does not seem like a set of clear simple primitives.
> VPython does a great job of picking a problem area and getting to a
> clear simple interface.  Its primitives are clear, concise, and
> effective.  I recommend VPython to anyone I meet looking to try 3-D,
> to the point I sometimes worry I sound like a broken record.  I had
> great success using it to help me explore analysis of a strange
> 72-dimensional data set.  However, it does not seem to be a core 3-D
> model that could be used for "everything" -- architecture through
> chip design and heat analysis -- that is the thing I'm looking for,
> an abstract framework into which VPython fits as an instance.
> -Scott David Daniels
> Scott.Daniels at Acm.Org
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