[Idle-dev] IDLE 2.6.4 crashes constantly

Bruce Sherwood Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu
Sun Apr 4 21:24:30 CEST 2010

I'm not sure whether Guilherme Polo is still following this list, so 
I've forwarded your note to him for comment, Tal.

Bruce Sherwood

On 4/4/2010 2:43 PM, Tal Einat wrote:
> Hi guys, nice to see some traffic here again :)
> VIDLE sounds quite like my IDLE-Spoon fork of IDLE, at least from the 
> "features" list on its page (http://vpython.org/vidle/index.html). Is 
> VIDLE is compatible with Python 3.x? IDLE-Spoon is not (yet).
> IDLE-Spoon:
> http://bitbucket.org/taleinat/idle-spoon/wiki/Home
> I haven't done any work on IDLE-Spoon lately due to lack of perceived 
> interest. If there is some interest, I'd gladly help in merging 
> VIDLE's changes with those in IDLE-Spoon and porting these to Python 
> 2.7 and 3.x.
> I also have some experience getting changes to IDLE into the 
> mainstream version, which usually mostly involves getting the 
> attention of whoever is currently the official IDLE maintainer (this 
> used to be Kurt B. Kaiser, a.k.a. KBK for quite a few years).
> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Bruce Sherwood 
> <Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu <mailto:Bruce_Sherwood at ncsu.edu>> wrote:
>     Martin Löwis was a co-mentor with me on Polo's project, and Löwis,
>     who is one of the Python developers, said he would make sure that
>     Polo's improvements would go into Python. However, I'll emphasize
>     that I know absolutely nothing about how Python politics works,
>     and absolutely nothing about a possible schedule for the needed
>     update to happen. So the simple answer to your question is no, I
>     have no idea how to work with the Python developers to make this
>     happen, beyond my involvement with last summer's project.
>     I should say that the improvements to IDLE were triggered by David
>     Scherer, who found that in recent years some important aspects of
>     the big changes he made to IDLE in the year 2000 had gotten lost
>     or diluted, and he addressed some of the most serious issues some
>     months before Guilherme Polo began work on IDLE last summer. Polo
>     built on this work and did an excellent job of addressing some
>     other issues as well, Scherer, Polo, and I agreed to call the
>     improved version VIDLE to make it clear that it is "unofficial"
>     and different, but we all hope fervently that VIDLE turns into
>     regular IDLE.
>     My own involvement in this was due to the use of IDLE by thousands
>     of college freshmen who use VPython for computational modeling in
>     the context of the Matter & Interactions physics curriculum
>     developed by Ruth Chabay and me (matterandinteractions.org
>     <http://matterandinteractions.org>). Problems with IDLE were
>     getting in the way of our instructional goals.
>     Bruce Sherwood
>     On 4/1/2010 12:41 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote:
>         On 1 Apr, 2010, at 18:18, Bruce Sherwood wrote:
>             Last summer in the context of the Google Summer of Code a
>             Brazilian student named Guilherme Polo fixed a large
>             number of problems with IDLE. Supposedly this will some
>             day end up in the standard Python release.
>         Are you (as one of the vpython maintainers) working with the
>         python developers to make this happen?
>         Ronald
>             In the meantime, you can get this version, called VIDLE
>             for now, at vpython.org <http://vpython.org>. Perhaps it
>             will solve your problems.
>             Bruce Sherwood
>             On 3/9/2010 7:25 AM, Steffen Møller-Larsen wrote:
>                 Hi, all
>                 I have recently downloaded and installed IDLE 2.6.4
>                 via an Activepython distribution. I find that IDLE
>                 crashes over and over again causing it to freeze
>                 completely. It is a real pain if the work has not been
>                 saved. I am running it on a fairly new iMac running
>                 OSX 10.6.2. Is this a common problem for this version?
>                 Thank you in advance.
>                 Respectfully
>                 Steffen Møller-Larsen
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