[Idle-dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library
tjreedy at udel.edu
Sun Jul 11 03:33:28 CEST 2010
On 7/10/2010 7:05 PM, Tal Einat wrote:
> I would like to propose removing IDLE from the standard library.
-1 I use it daily. On Windows, it works better in many ways than the
awful interactive command window, which I almost never use. I would
rather the latter be replaced.
> I have been using IDLE since 2002 and have been doing my best to help
> maintain and further develop IDLE since 2005.
> In recent years IDLE has received negligible interest and attention from
> the Python community. During this time IDLE has slowly gone downhill.
I would say that it has not gone uphill.
> The documentation and tutorials grow increasingly out of date.
> Cross-platform support has degraded with the increasing popularity of
> OSX and 64-bit platforms.
Does it not work with the 64bit Windows build?
> Bugs take months, and sometimes more than a
> year, to be solved.
The problem here, it seems to me, is that all issues are autoassigned to
an inactive person (KBK) who does not really accept them except once a
year or so. I do not know whether all other commiter are unwilling to
commit IDLE issues, no matter how obvious and trivial, or if they all
think they 'belong' to KBK. If and when I get a development setup, learn
how to apply patches, and get commit privileges, I would want to be able
to work on IDLE issues.
> Features that have since become common-place, such
> as having a non-intrusive search box instead of a dialog, are obviously
> and painfully lacking, making IDLE feel clumsy and out-dated.
I do not know what you mean here, so the 'lack' is completely unobvious
and non-painful to me. The IDLE search/replace box strikes as being as
good as that I have seen with other Windows software.
> For these reasons, I think it would be fitting to remove IDLE from the
> standard library. IDLE is no longer recommended to beginners, IMO
> rightfully so, and this was the main reason for its inclusion in the
> standard library.
Is there a superiour replacement that you would recommend to be packaged
with the Windows distribution? It would have to have a shell replacement
> Furthermore, if there is little or no interest in
> developing and maintaining IDLE, it should be removed to avoid having
> buggy and badly supported software in the standard library.
For my day to day use of the shell and editor, there are no serious bugs.
Terry Jan Reedy
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