[Idle-dev] [Python-Dev] Removing IDLE from the standard library

[Michael Foord]

On 12/07/2010 19:21, Ian Bicking wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Ron Adam <rrr at ronadam.com 
> <mailto:rrr at ronadam.com>> wrote:
>
>     There might be another alternative.
>
>     Both idle and pydoc are applications (are there others?) that are
>     in the standard library.  As such, they or parts of them, are
>     possibly importable to other projects.  That restricts changes
>     because a committer needs to consider the chances that a change
>     may break something else.
>
>     I suggest they be moved out of the lib directory, but still be
>     included with python.  (Possibly in the tools directory.)  That
>     removes some of the backward compatibility restrictions or at
>     least makes it clear there isn't a need for backward compatibility.
>
>
> I also like this idea.  This means Python comes with an IDE "out of he 
> box" but without the overhead of a management and release process that 
> is built for something very different than a GUI program (the standard 
> library).  This would mean that IDLE would be in site-packages, could 
> easily be upgraded using normal tools, and maybe most importantly it 
> could have its own community tools and development process that is 
> more casual (and can more easily integrate new contributors) and 
> higher velocity of changes and releases.  Python releases would then 
> ship the most recent stable release of IDLE.
>
IDLE itself is probably stable enough that being able to "upgrade in 
place" is not a high priority. That could change based on this thread of 
course.

I would *really* support this approach with "pip" once distutils2 is 
complete and integrated into the standard library. I would really like 
Python to come with a capable package manager "out of the box" but 
understand your reluctance to tie pip to the Python release schedule. 
Having pip installed into site-packages by default, so that it *can* be 
upgraded in place, would be win-win as far as I can tell. Slight thread 
hijacking I realise... :-)

All the best,

Michael

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