[Inpycon] Prizes/mentors for newbie track

Anand Balachandran Pillai abpillai at gmail.com
Tue Jul 20 16:52:17 CEST 2010


On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Santhosh Divakar <
santhosh.divakar at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 7:34 PM, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Anand Balachandran Pillai <abpillai at gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > That got me thinking about - will there by any kind of repercussion
>> > i.e frustration among regular talk folks ("seniors" so to speak) of
>> > not being considered for a similar prize ? Kind of like "being a
>> > newbie is an advantage, no point in talking in this conf in the
>> > future" feeling ?
>>
>> That kind of thing is a little immature isn't it? There are many
>> speakers who I don't know personally but the ones I do know wouldn't
>> consider it like this. Most of them give talks because it's PyCon and
>> because they can share their ideas with a larger like minded crowd.
>>
>>
> Anand, I believe, has raised a valid point. Yes there is for and against
> this point. But we might not want to hear comments like """next time I am
> going to present in the newbie section and win a prize rather""".  I am not
> talking about speakers of stature of David , but ... .
>
> Perhaps would not it be good to honour the speakers themselves with
> something across the board?. Like waiving off their registration fee or
> something?. There is no contesty(sic) thing here, but just as a token of
> appreciation?.
>

I raised this point in the spirit of arguing against one's own
opinion - to form a good opinion. I was the person who proposed
the newbie track idea in the first place to Noufal, but I thought
it is better to think of everything before we announce it.

A newbie according to me is one who answers "no" to all
the questions below.

1. Have you ever talked in a conference before ? (exclude
 talks which you gave in your own college or organization)

2. Have you given the talk you are submitting in a similar
or same form anywhere else before ?

And he is mostly a student, but need not be one.

We don't expect people to cheat on this, but it could still
happen and there is no way to find it out for sure.

One way to solve all these at one go is to rename "newbie"
track as "student" track which resolves many dilemmas
in a single go - first of all this reserves the track to students
only and we can always identify them (college ID card etc)
so no dilemmas w.r.t identifying whether the guy is
really a "newbie" or not.

 Secondly, it is rather easy to find out a student talk from
the submission itself - unless the guy is a guru and has been
giving talks from his 2nd yr in college, it always has that
"raw" feel to it.  We could always ask the student to get the
talk reviewed by one of us before submitting us and he
will be willing to do that.


Thoughts ?


> -Santhosh
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