From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 07:44:23 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:14:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> (Noufal Ibrahim's message of "Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:14:07 +0530") References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Jan 31 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: [...] > Makes sense. Our amounts and brochure are still in beta. At the end of > the day, we'll carve them in stone and make it official. Okay. I'm sending this out. -- From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Feb 1 07:51:49 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:21:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:14 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Makes sense. Our amounts and brochure are still in beta. At the end > of > > the day, we'll carve them in stone and make it official. > > Okay. I'm sending this out. just to confirm 3L, 1L and 50K plus sponsorship in kind. Right? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 08:15:25 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:45:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:21:49 +0530") References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87k4hk5ipe.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 01 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:14 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > Makes sense. Our amounts and brochure are still in beta. At the end >> of >> > the day, we'll carve them in stone and make it official. >> >> Okay. I'm sending this out. > > just to confirm 3L, 1L and 50K plus sponsorship in kind. Right? Correct. One 3L slot Two 1L slots Four 50k slots + sponsorships in kind This is the formal statement but we can negotiate when we actually get interested parties. -- From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 08:16:28 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:46:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Tue, 01 Feb 2011 12:21:49 +0530") References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 01 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:14 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > Makes sense. Our amounts and brochure are still in beta. At the end >> of >> > the day, we'll carve them in stone and make it official. >> >> Okay. I'm sending this out. > > just to confirm 3L, 1L and 50K plus sponsorship in kind. Right? I've updated http://nibrahim.net.in/prospectus.pdf to a PDF generated from docbook so it looks better. -- From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 10:39:11 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:09:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Feb 01 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:14 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> > Makes sense. Our amounts and brochure are still in beta. At the end > >> of > >> > the day, we'll carve them in stone and make it official. > >> > >> Okay. I'm sending this out. > > > > just to confirm 3L, 1L and 50K plus sponsorship in kind. Right? > > I've updated http://nibrahim.net.in/prospectus.pdf to a PDF > generated from docbook so it looks better. > Doesn't the pltnm sponsor get "name on t-shirt" ? > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 10:47:15 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:17:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:09 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 01 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> > On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 12:14 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> > Makes sense. Our amounts and brochure are still in beta. At the end >> >> of >> >> > the day, we'll carve them in stone and make it official. >> >> >> >> Okay. I'm sending this out. >> > >> > just to confirm 3L, 1L and 50K plus sponsorship in kind. Right? >> >> I've updated http://nibrahim.net.in/prospectus.pdf to a PDF >> generated from docbook so it looks better. >> > Some suggestions. 1. Provide at least 2 contact numbers. In case one is not able to answer, another one is a backup. 2. Make sure contact at in.pycon.org is aliased to only the list of folks doing/supporting the sponsorship effort. Try to keep this list to 3 or shorter. Few grammar mistakes I found 1. The sentence "Your sponsorship..." belongs to the 3rd para after the 2nd line, not where it is right now. 2. Change "Pycon India organizers" -> "Pycon India organizing committee" in 3rd para. 3. Change "relies" -> "rely" on 3rd para. 4. Do either 2 and 3 or Change this entire line "The PyCon India organizers and the IPSS relies on corporate sponsors to make the conference a big success and happen every year" to "The PyCon India organizing committe and the IPSS require the support of corporate sponsors to make sure that the event happens smoothly and efficiently every year. Please sponsor and support Pycon India 2011 to make it a grand success". or something similar. The current line looks vaguely worded. > > Doesn't the pltnm sponsor get "name on t-shirt" ? > > >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Tue Feb 1 10:58:35 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 15:28:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1296554315.1769.248.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 15:17 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > "The PyCon India organizers and the IPSS relies on corporate sponsors > to > make the conference a big success and happen every year" > > to > > "The PyCon India organizing committe s/organisers/organizers/ s/committee/committe -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 15:27:55 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:57:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:09:11 +0530") References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bp2v3k44.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 01 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > Doesn't the pltnm sponsor get "name on t-shirt" ? [...] I'd prefer to keep the T-shirt "Hallowed ground". Last year, we made an exception for FOSSEE since they weren't a "company". That's my opinion. -- From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 1 15:29:34 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2011 19:59:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] finalising the sponsorship amounts In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:17:15 +0530") References: <1295588344.6486.35.camel@localhost> <87aairlwpe.fsf@gmail.com> <87fwsea8ts.fsf@gmail.com> <1296127900.6486.207.camel@localhost> <878vy6a6s6.fsf@gmail.com> <1296131231.6486.210.camel@localhost> <87k4hq8cs8.fsf@gmail.com> <8762t533qj.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3t32c2.fsf@gmail.com> <1296470876.1769.100.camel@localhost> <87fws91fji.fsf@gmail.com> <1296473636.1769.114.camel@localhost> <877hdl1ens.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjw88da0.fsf@gmail.com> <1296543109.1769.226.camel@localhost> <87fws85inn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8762t33k1d.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 01 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > 1. Provide at least 2 contact numbers. In case one is not able to answer, > another one is a backup. > 2. Make sure contact at in.pycon.org is aliased to only the list of folks > doing/supporting the sponsorship effort. Try to keep this list to 3 or > shorter. Valid points. > Few grammar mistakes I found > > 1. The sentence "Your sponsorship..." belongs to the 3rd para after the 2nd > line, > not where it is right now. > 2. Change "Pycon India organizers" -> "Pycon India organizing committee" in > 3rd para. > 3. Change "relies" -> "rely" on 3rd para. > 4. Do either 2 and 3 or Change this entire line > > "The PyCon India organizers and the IPSS relies on corporate sponsors to > make the conference a big success and happen every year" > > to > > "The PyCon India organizing committe and the IPSS require the support of > corporate sponsors to make sure that the event happens smoothly and > efficiently > every year. Please sponsor and support Pycon India 2011 to make it a grand > success". > > or something similar. The current line looks vaguely worded. [...] I've already sent this out to the people who contacted me. I'll make the changes when we put up the 2011 website and related material. -- From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 18:44:01 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 23:14:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 Message-ID: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. * The logo, graphics * Then the website * Then we can go about actively soliciting sponsorships Thoughts? Opinions? -- From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 18:48:11 2011 From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 23:18:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 In-Reply-To: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. > > * The logo, graphics Do we need a new every year ? Regards, Baiju M From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 18:48:48 2011 From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 23:18:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Baiju M wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. >> >> * The logo, graphics > > Do we need a new every year ? Err.. new logo -- Baiju M From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 19:01:16 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2011 23:31:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 In-Reply-To: (Baiju M.'s message of "Wed, 2 Feb 2011 23:18:11 +0530") References: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87lj1yxqmr.fsf@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 02 2011, Baiju M wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. >> >> * The logo, graphics > > Do we need a new every year ? [...] Not really but we need to be consistent. The same logo and general appearance and colour scheme for the website, twitter icon, T-shirt design, brochures etc. It helps the overall image. Don't you think so? -- From anandology at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 19:05:36 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 23:35:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 In-Reply-To: <87lj1yxqmr.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> <87lj1yxqmr.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/2/2 Noufal Ibrahim : > On Wed, Feb 02 2011, Baiju M wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >>> >>> I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. >>> >>> * The logo, graphics >> >> Do we need a new every year ? > > [...] > > Not really but we need to be consistent. The same logo and general > appearance and colour scheme for the website, twitter icon, T-shirt > design, brochures etc. It helps the overall image. Don't you think so? This? http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=escher-logo.png Anand From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 19:14:49 2011 From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M) Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2011 23:44:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 In-Reply-To: <87lj1yxqmr.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> <87lj1yxqmr.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Feb 02 2011, Baiju M wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >>> >>> I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. >>> >>> * The logo, graphics >> >> Do we need a new every year ? > > [...] > > Not really but we need to be consistent. The same logo and general > appearance and colour scheme for the website, twitter icon, T-shirt > design, brochures etc. It helps the overall image. Don't you think so? Yes, that's really required. I think we can go ahead with last year design. Regards, Baiju M From ramdaz at gmail.com Wed Feb 2 19:55:48 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 00:25:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Getting started for 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87tygmxrfi.fsf@gmail.com> <87lj1yxqmr.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:44 PM, Baiju M wrote: > On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:31 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 02 2011, Baiju M wrote: > > > >> On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >>> > >>> I think it's time to kick things into gear. Infrastructure first. > >>> > >>> * The logo, graphics > >> > >> Do we need a new every year ? > > > > [...] > > > > Not really but we need to be consistent. The same logo and general > > appearance and colour scheme for the website, twitter icon, T-shirt > > design, brochures etc. It helps the overall image. Don't you think so? > > Yes, that's really required. I think we can go ahead with last year > design. > Change the T Shirt design to something newer. Stick to rest... > > Must be able to differentiate the T Shirts of the two years easily. > > Give it a Chennai touch if possible.... > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at au-kbc.org Mon Feb 7 08:25:33 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:55:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue Message-ID: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> hi, as you all know one principle we have been working on is to rotate the conference around India - so that it slowly establishes itself as a genuine all-India conference. To this end I was very vocal in campaigning the cause of Chennai, and it was finally decided to hold the next edition in Chennai. I was keen of Chennai since I, Jaganadh and Rajeswari were there and we were sure we could easily make the conference happen. Unfortunately, Jaganadh and I moved to the Coimbatore region and Rajeswari is getting married, and it looks like nothing is happening on the Chennai end. We had fixed a deadline of December 20th for fixing the venue. It is february and we do not even have a short list - and dates are not fixed. If things do not happen fast, we will not be able to get foreign delegates or even tie up sponsors. We are talking to people, but they need to finalise their budgets before 31st March and we are looking a bit silly when we do not have either a date or a venue. In this context I hereby propose Coimbatore as an alternate venue. We do not have a python users group in coimbatore, but the up and coming Coimbatore LUG is heavily python oriented, and can take up the job. We have excellent relationships with the management and staff of several colleges/universities and are spoilt for choice for a venue. As for climate, infrastructure, accomodation, international airport and accessibility, Coimbatore is on par with any other major city - with the distinction that distances are less. With the new superfast trains it is a stone's throw from Bangalore and Chennai - the major sources of delegates and also it is very convenient for access from the big surge of interest in python throughout Kerala. If we can take a decision on this I can assure you that we can fix the venue and dates by the 20th of feb and move on to more important things. I realise I am stepping on some Chennai toes in proposing this, but the long silence from that end is not encouraging at all. Thoughts? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 07:45:25 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:15:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Mon, 07 Feb 2011 12:55:33 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 07 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [...] > If we can take a decision on this I can assure you that we can fix the > venue and dates by the 20th of feb and move on to more important > things. I realise I am stepping on some Chennai toes in proposing > this, but the long silence from that end is not encouraging at all. > > Thoughts? I'm neutral about this. My only thing is that I *don't* want it to be in Bangalore again (not for a few years anyway). The pros as far as I can see. - You and Jaganadh being there who can steer this from Coimbatore. - Weather is better than Chennai (from what I've been told). The cons - Stepping on toes since there's already some work that was done in Chennai. - The city is not as well known as a metro so facilities and things might be limited (this is a guess). - No active Python community in Coimbatore. What do the others feel? Either way, we should *decide* on a venue before 15th of Feb and get things moving. -- From anandology at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 07:59:18 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:29:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/2/8 Noufal Ibrahim : > On Mon, Feb 07 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > [...] > > >> If we can take a decision on this I can assure you that we can fix the >> venue and dates by the 20th of feb and move on to more important >> things. ?I realise I am stepping on some Chennai toes in proposing >> this, but the long silence from that end is not encouraging at all. >> >> Thoughts? > > I'm neutral about this. My only thing is that I *don't* want it to be in > Bangalore again (not for a few years anyway). > > The pros as far as I can see. > ? ? ? ?- You and Jaganadh being there who can steer this from > ? ? ? ? ?Coimbatore. > ? ? ? ?- Weather is better than Chennai (from what I've been told). > > The cons > ? ? ? ?- Stepping on toes since there's already some work that was done > ? ? ? ? ?in Chennai. > ? ? ? ?- The city is not as well known as a metro so facilities and > ? ? ? ? ?things might be limited (this is a guess). > ? ? ? ?- No active Python community in Coimbatore. > > What do the others feel? > > Either way, we should *decide* on a venue before 15th of Feb and get > things moving. my -1 for Coimbatore. I don't see a point in organizing the conference in a city where there is no active user base. We chose chennai because chennaipy was the most active python usergroup in India after bangpypers. If chennai folks are unable to take it up, we should probably give a chance to pune if there is someone willing to lead (again because there is a good python user base there). If not, we should go again for Bangalore. Anand From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 08:09:34 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:39:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > The cons > - Stepping on toes since there's already some work that was done > in Chennai. > - The city is not as well known as a metro so facilities and > things might be limited (this is a guess). > - No active Python community in Coimbatore. > What do the others feel? > Either way, we should *decide* on a venue before 15th of Feb and get > things moving. In a way i have to agree with what Kenneth said, there has been little activity that has been happening here offlate. there was a call for a local usergroup meeting to take stock of the situation but sadly there was just once signup. As far as venues are concerned well we had put forward a shortlist with the pros and cons. Rajalakshmi Engineering College was ready to host it, but then the discussions in this thread ended in stalemate. Meanwhile i had also tried writing in to Loyola's new engineering college but i havent got any response from them yet. And we still havent got a website thats updated that we can show of to our potential venues. As far as Dates are concerned i though we already agreed upon Sept 24th and 25th as it did not clash with any of the festivals. Finally, i assure you that no egos will be hurt if the conference is moved to another city. What i would appreciate though is that if we can take a call on Rajalakshmi Engineering College. then fixing up a venue is a phone call away. cheers, kausik -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 08:24:03 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 12:54:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (kausikram krishnasayee's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2011 12:39:34 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 08 2011, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: [...] > As far as Dates are concerned i though we already agreed upon Sept 24th and > 25th as it did not clash with any of the festivals. That's fine I think. > Finally, i assure you that no egos will be hurt if the conference is > moved to another city. What i would appreciate though is that if we > can take a call on Rajalakshmi Engineering College. then fixing up a > venue is a phone call away. Are there multiple colleges available in Chennai which we have to select from? If so, there's discussion to be conducted. If not, then there's just one college and it's the default. The issue is that there should be some chap willing to take up the job of spearheading this whole thing. If there's foot dragging with the venue selection, this person should put his foot down and make it happen. It's not a fun job but someone will have to do it if the conference is to take place. If you're willing to sign up, you have my vote and I'll back you in whatever way I can but once you do, it's not always a fun ride and you're going to have to stick it till then end. I'm sure you know how it is given your experience with Proto.in :) [...] -- From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 08:41:05 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:11:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Are there multiple colleges available in Chennai which we have to select > from? If so, there's discussion to be conducted. If not, then there's > just one college and it's the default. > was reffering to this thread: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2010-October/003705.html these are potential venues we can contact, apart from Rajalakshmi none of the others have come to us. the reason why we wanted to do the discussion here before we went to the college is because, had we approached the college first and then later had to choose colleges here, it would have lead to some animosity and there would have been a possible situation like MSRIT vs RV the way we had last year (if not worse). > > The issue is that there should be some chap willing to take up the job > of spearheading this whole thing. If there's foot dragging with the > venue selection, this person should put his foot down and make it > happen. It's not a fun job but someone will have to do it if the > conference is to take place. > > If you're willing to sign up, you have my vote and I'll back you in > whatever way I can but once you do, it's not always a fun ride and > you're going to have to stick it till then end. I'm sure you know how it > is given your experience with Proto.in :) This was disccused long ago and i was (and still am) willing to take responsibility, but what i am worried is the fact that there is no solid team here as bangalore had. And i dont want it to turn into a one man show. I wonder why the others from Chennai on this list are so silent. 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If not, then there's > just one college and it's the default. > > The issue is that there should be some chap willing to take up the job > of spearheading this whole thing. If there's foot dragging with the > venue selection, this person should put his foot down and make it > happen. It's not a fun job but someone will have to do it if the > conference is to take place. > > If you're willing to sign up, you have my vote and I'll back you in > whatever way I can but once you do, it's not always a fun ride and > you're going to have to stick it till then end. I'm sure you know how it > is given your experience with Proto.in :) > > +1. Will support you in whatever way possible. But would strongly insist on you getting enough backup support locally in Chennai/ chennaiPy. Otherwise it will be a real stretch for one or two of you to coordinate the complete logistics. - sree -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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With the new superfast trains it is > a stone's throw from Bangalore and Chennai - the major sources of > delegates and also it is very convenient for access from the big surge > of interest in python throughout Kerala. > > If we can take a decision on this I can assure you that we can fix the > venue and dates by the 20th of feb and move on to more important things. > I realise I am stepping on some Chennai toes in proposing this, but the > long silence from that end is not encouraging at all. > agree and second that -Satya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If not, we should go again for Bangalore. > again one of the idea or agenda of any event is to create awareness , as long as it is served i am happy to go anywhere, yes audience/sponsors is something you can question for but that also has to be built someday , why not do with a bang !! ie: an event. -Satya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 10:15:23 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 14:45:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (kausikram krishnasayee's message of "Tue, 8 Feb 2011 13:11:05 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8762suyjis.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 08 2011, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: [...] > This was disccused long ago and i was (and still am) willing to take > responsibility, but what i am worried is the fact that there is no > solid team here as bangalore had. And i dont want it to turn into a > one man show. I wonder why the others from Chennai on this list are > so silent. That said, if the team here is good to go with Rajalakshmi > Engineering College, then i will make the call and we will be rolling. [...] Take the call then. You know the ground much better than me and many others on this list. If there's sufficient manpower you can marshall within (say) a week to get this going, we'll stick to Chennai otherwise, we'll consider shifting the venue to where there are people on the ground. -- From kausikram at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 10:39:23 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:09:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8762suyjis.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> <8762suyjis.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >[...] Take the call then. You know the ground much better than me and many > others on this list. If there's sufficient manpower you can marshall > within (say) a week to get this going, we'll stick to Chennai otherwise, > we'll consider shifting the venue to where there are people on the > ground. we will take a call in 36 hours. E.O.D tomorrow (9th Feb 2011) -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 From ramdaz at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 10:39:35 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:09:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8762suyjis.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> <8762suyjis.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 2:45 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Feb 08 2011, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > > [...] > >> This was disccused long ago and i was (and still am) willing to take >> responsibility, but what i am worried is the fact that there is no >> solid team here as bangalore had. And i dont want it to turn into a >> one man show. ?I wonder why the others from Chennai on this list are >> so silent. ?That said, if the team here is good to go with Rajalakshmi >> Engineering College, then i will make the call and we will be rolling. > > [...] > > Take the call then. You know the ground much better than me and many > others on this list. If there's sufficient manpower you can marshall > within (say) a week to get this going, we'll stick to Chennai otherwise, > we'll consider shifting the venue to where there are people on the > ground. > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an alternate avenue. I have nothing against Coimbatore, but a bigger city preferred... Also how well is Comibatore connected with North India. Do people have to fly intto Bangalore and then drive down? If so, I'd rather prefer Ooty. Ramdas From jaganadhg at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 10:46:52 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:16:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <87k4hbxa3w.fsf@gmail.com> <8762suyjis.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > alternate avenue. > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > I have nothing against Coimbatore, but a bigger city preferred... Coimbatore is a bigger city with more than 200 Engineering Colleges and more than 4 IT parks > Also > how well is Comibatore connected with North India. Do people have to > fly intto Bangalore and then drive down? > > Comibatore is well connected by Air/ Rail and Road But Still if ChennaiPy can make it happen that will be great . Otherwise Pythonist in Coimbatore . 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This is something that's been around for a while. -- From anuradhajena at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 12:14:39 2011 From: anuradhajena at gmail.com (anuradha jena) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 16:44:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chennai : This is a comon place where so many people's relative/freind also statying ,so outsource people have an option to save their Hotel charge money for staying 2 days. But for Coimbatore it's will be agian extra charge so money matter preferrance may be less I think it's less no of trains are conencted,so reservation confirmation may give problem & air travel will be costly. On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 4:30 PM, wrote: > Send Inpycon mailing list submissions to > inpycon at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inpycon-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inpycon-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inpycon digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: venue (JAGANADH G) > 2. Re: venue (Noufal Ibrahim) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:16:52 +0530 > From: JAGANADH G > To: ramdaz at gmail.com, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > > alternate avenue. > > > > > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > > > > I have nothing against Coimbatore, but a bigger city preferred... > > > > Coimbatore is a bigger city with more than 200 Engineering Colleges and > more than 4 IT parks > > > Also > > how well is Comibatore connected with North India. Do people have to > > fly intto Bangalore and then drive down? > > > > > Comibatore is well connected by Air/ Rail and Road > > > > But Still if ChennaiPy can make it happen that will be great . > > Otherwise Pythonist in Coimbatore . There is no user group in Coimbatore; > but developeers are well connected > > -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > *ILUGCBE* > http://ilugcbe.techstud.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20110208/9fab6b5a/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:37:04 +0530 > From: Noufal Ibrahim > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue > Message-ID: <87vd0ux2k7.fsf at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Feb 08 2011, JAGANADH G wrote: > > >> Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > >> alternate avenue. > >> > > > > > > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > [...] > > > Definitely not 15 days. 5 at the most. 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But for Coimbatore it's will be agian extra charge so money matter preferrance may be less I think it's less no of trains are conencted,so reservation confirmation may give problem & air travel will be costly. ------------------------------ > > ---------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:16:52 +0530 > From: JAGANADH G > To: ramdaz at gmail.com, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > > alternate avenue. > > > > > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > > > > I have nothing against Coimbatore, but a bigger city preferred... > > > > Coimbatore is a bigger city with more than 200 Engineering Colleges and > more than 4 IT parks > > > Also > > how well is Comibatore connected with North India. Do people have to > > fly intto Bangalore and then drive down? > > > > > Comibatore is well connected by Air/ Rail and Road > > > > But Still if ChennaiPy can make it happen that will be great . > > Otherwise Pythonist in Coimbatore . There is no user group in Coimbatore; > but developeers are well connected > > -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > *ILUGCBE* > http://ilugcbe.techstud.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20110208/9fab6b5a/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:37:04 +0530 > From: Noufal Ibrahim > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue > Message-ID: <87vd0ux2k7.fsf at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Feb 08 2011, JAGANADH G wrote: > > >> Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > >> alternate avenue. > >> > > > > > > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > [...] > > > Definitely not 15 days. 5 at the most. This is something that's been > around for a while. > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > End of Inpycon Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 > ************************************** > -- Anuradha Jena -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anuradhajena at gmail.com Tue Feb 8 12:30:17 2011 From: anuradhajena at gmail.com (anuradha jena) Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 17:00:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue (Anu) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chennai : This is a common place where so many people's relative/freind also statying ,so outsource people have an option to save their Hotel charge money for staying 2 days. But for Coimbatore it's will be agian extra charge so money matter preferrance may be less I think it's less no of trains are conencted,so reservation confirmation may give problem & air travel will be costly. ------------------------------ > > ---------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 15:16:52 +0530 > From: JAGANADH G > To: ramdaz at gmail.com, Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > > alternate avenue. > > > > > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > > > > I have nothing against Coimbatore, but a bigger city preferred... > > > > Coimbatore is a bigger city with more than 200 Engineering Colleges and > more than 4 IT parks > > > Also > > how well is Comibatore connected with North India. Do people have to > > fly intto Bangalore and then drive down? > > > > > Comibatore is well connected by Air/ Rail and Road > > > > But Still if ChennaiPy can make it happen that will be great . > > Otherwise Pythonist in Coimbatore . There is no user group in Coimbatore; > but developeers are well connected > > -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > *ILUGCBE* > http://ilugcbe.techstud.org > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20110208/9fab6b5a/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2011 15:37:04 +0530 > From: Noufal Ibrahim > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue > Message-ID: <87vd0ux2k7.fsf at gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > On Tue, Feb 08 2011, JAGANADH G wrote: > > >> Give Chennai another 15 days. If nothing happens, we will look at an > >> alternate avenue. > >> > > > > > > +1 . We have to take the decision as early as possible > [...] > > > Definitely not 15 days. 5 at the most. This is something that's been > around for a while. > > -- > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > End of Inpycon Digest, Vol 22, Issue 7 > ************************************** > -- Anuradha Jena -- Anuradha Jena -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Do people have to > fly intto Bangalore and then drive down? no - we have a spanking new international airport - one can fly anywhere in the world from Coimbatore -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Feb 9 02:58:51 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:28:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297216731.1831.49.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 12:29 +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > I don't see a point in organizing the conference in a city where there > is no active user base. there is an active user base - the only thing is that most of the users are members of chennaipy and have not yet started a separate group. > > We chose chennai because chennaipy was the most active python > usergroup in India after bangpypers. yes, but the most active people in the group are now in Coimbatore -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Feb 9 03:00:40 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:30:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 12:15 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > - Weather is better than Chennai (from what I've been told). better than Bangalore in September > > The cons > - Stepping on toes since there's already some work that was > done > in Chennai. > - The city is not as well known as a metro so facilities and > things might be limited (this is a guess). anything you can get in a metro you can get in coimbatore > - No active Python community in Coimbatore. I count 20-30 workshops teaching python in the last year -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Feb 9 03:03:14 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:33:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297216994.1831.54.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 12:39 +0530, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > What i would appreciate though is that if we can take a > call on Rajalakshmi Engineering College. then fixing up a venue is a > phone > call away. I have been a strong ardent advocate of holding it in Rajalakshmi - the venue is in a scenic location far from the pollution of the city. The college is full of python enthusiasts. The management is supportive. There are hotels of all kinds nearby. Hostel accomodation could be available. Management is willing to provide buses for transport from and to the city. There are sufficient halls with a/c. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From lawgon at au-kbc.org Wed Feb 9 03:12:32 2011 From: lawgon at au-kbc.org (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 07:42:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297217552.1831.56.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 07:30 +0530, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > I count 20-30 workshops teaching python in the last year I forgot to add that the 200 or so engineering colleges in this region come under Anna University Coimbatore which is one of the few universities in India where python is in the syllabus. (that is the reason why there is active interest in the 20-30 workshops we have been able to conduct. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves From jaganadhg at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 07:21:46 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 11:51:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:30 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tue, 2011-02-08 at 12:15 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > - Weather is better than Chennai (from what I've been told). > > better than Bangalore in September > +1 weather is good in Coimbatore all the time > > anything you can get in a metro you can get in coimbatore > Even the last World Classical Tamil Conference held at Coimabtore . L > > - No active Python community in Coimbatore. > > I count 20-30 workshops teaching python in the last year > > -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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More than colleges we need professional developers, which is why Bangalore, Pune and Chennai is always on top of our list... > > -- > ********************************** > JAGANADH G > http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog > *ILUGCBE* > http://ilugcbe.techstud.org > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number of students who are willing to travel to attend. 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. I find that the bulk of attendees - and the type of attendees we need - are in class 1 and 3. If we have a newbie track, then it makes sense to hold the conference in less well known areas to spread the word. Anyway 1 and 3 are going to be there - and they are the backbone of the conference. Frankly the kind of person who says: 'I will only attend if it is in my city - or my part of the city' is not really the kind of person who is need to develop and keep the conference going. my two paise. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 08:04:36 2011 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 12:34:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > 1. Developers who are focussed on python - they will attend regardless > of where the conference is, *especially* if there is an extreme track. > > 2. Developers who are *also* interested in python - these will probably > only attend if it is held in their own city. > > 3. Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number of > students who are willing to travel to attend. > > 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. Unless there are circumstances and subjects which aren't being discussed on the list, are there reasons to believe that the audience categories, as described above, will give it a miss if it is at Coimbatore ? Bangalore, Pune, Chennai would have, perhaps, attracted attendance from those who develop_with/contribute_to Python in their professional spheres. However, the genesis of the discussion was from the idea that Chennai seemed to have a remote chance of hosting it. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From lawgon at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 08:33:23 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 13:03:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:34 +0530, sankarshan wrote: > > 1. Developers who are focussed on python - they will attend > regardless > > of where the conference is, *especially* if there is an extreme > track. > > > > 2. Developers who are *also* interested in python - these will > probably > > only attend if it is held in their own city. > > > > 3. Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number > of > > students who are willing to travel to attend. > > > > 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. > > Unless there are circumstances and subjects which aren't being > discussed on the list, are there reasons to believe that the audience > categories, as described above, will give it a miss if it is at > Coimbatore ? I do not think so - the Mumbai,Pune, Hyderabad and Kerala guys will be there even if we host in pattiveeranpatti ;-). As will the hardcore people from Bangalore and Chennai. I would not know about Delhi, as there was little participation from there in the last two conferences. As already mentioned there will be a large number of not-so-newbie students and professionals from Kerala. > > Bangalore, Pune, Chennai would have, perhaps, attracted attendance > from those who develop_with/contribute_to Python in their professional > spheres. However, the genesis of the discussion was from the idea that > Chennai seemed to have a remote chance of hosting it. I personally fail to understand how location matters - if you look at pycons abroad, they are all held in reasonably civilised places - and very few people say: 'thats too far for me'. Anyway - just to clarify, I will be there regardless of where the conference is. And that is the spirit I see in the core group. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From kausikram at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 08:37:20 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:07:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > Anyway - just to clarify, I will be there regardless of where the conference is. And that is the > spirit I see in the core group. +1. agreed :) -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 09:04:23 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:34:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:34 +0530, sankarshan wrote: > > > 1. Developers who are focussed on python - they will attend > > regardless > > > of where the conference is, *especially* if there is an extreme > > track. > > > > > > 2. Developers who are *also* interested in python - these will > > probably > > > only attend if it is held in their own city. > > > > > > 3. Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number > > of > > > students who are willing to travel to attend. > > > > > > 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. > > > > Unless there are circumstances and subjects which aren't being > > discussed on the list, are there reasons to believe that the audience > > categories, as described above, will give it a miss if it is at > > Coimbatore ? > > I do not think so - the Mumbai,Pune, Hyderabad and Kerala guys will be > there even if we host in pattiveeranpatti ;-). > Not so sure. I tried to look up direct flights from pune to coimbatore. Apparently none. That would be a big disappointment and a constraint. The first pycon I had to miss at the last moment, since it was hard to balance out customer expectations and pycon. Increasingly higher travel time only makes the tradeoff harder. And while I don't know where pattiveeranpatti is, I do not think one should just assume and take for granted people really interested in python will attend what may - they have other priorities - families, customers etc. and it would help to be sensitive to those. > > > > Bangalore, Pune, Chennai would have, perhaps, attracted attendance > > from those who develop_with/contribute_to Python in their professional > > spheres. However, the genesis of the discussion was from the idea that > > Chennai seemed to have a remote chance of hosting it. > > I personally fail to understand how location matters > > . > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 09:24:00 2011 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:54:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > "Reasonably civilised" Indian cities are not as well connected as those abroad. To clarify, while reading the thread it appeared to me as a choice between hosting the event at a not-so-well_connected location versus not organizing the event at all. I may well be mistaken though for distilling the issue into such a binary choice. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From navin at smriti.com Wed Feb 9 09:58:57 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:28:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:54 PM, sankarshan wrote: > I may well be mistaken though for distilling the issue into such a > binary choice. > It is certainly not a binary choice. Pune can definitely host the event. We have enough interested volunteers, a very strong community (the PythonPune mailing list is not very active in spite of 100+ members, but the Pune linux users group, the Pune Open Coffee Club, CSI Pune and PuneTech are all very strong, and have enough pythonistas in them that we can put together a very strong team on the ground. And of course, venues and colleges is absolutely not a problem here.) However, we don't want to step on any Chennai toes, hence waiting before officially throwing Pune's hat in the ring. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I agree with Kenneth and others who think those who are interested would come irrespective of location. However, IMHO, the biggest factor in deciding the location is about getting enough people on the ground to organize the conference. I live in Pune and yet didn't come forward to suggest Pune because although we /do/ have a large number of professional pythonistas, the group by itself is not active enough to commit itself to organizing a conference (again, that's IMHO. I don't say this as a negative thing -- people have different commitments -- though as far as having enough members who could possibly be active in making it happen is concerned; it is sad, but honestly, we in the python-pune group aren't there yet). All that said, I am neutral as far as location goes. I don't mind Coimbatore nor Chennai nor do I mind returning back to Bangalore. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 10:25:18 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 14:55:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 13:34 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > Not so sure. I tried to look up direct flights from pune to > coimbatore. strange - last time I was in Coimbatore airport, there was this big ad saying direct flight to Pune. Looks like it has not been introduced yet, or has been dropped. But then all of us from this region face the same problem getting to Pune ;-) > Apparently none. That would be a big disappointment and a constraint. > The > first pycon I had to miss at the last moment, since it was hard to > balance > out customer expectations and pycon. Increasingly higher travel time > only > makes the tradeoff harder. And while I don't know where > pattiveeranpatti is, sorry that is like saying Timbucktoo - a place at the end of nowhere - I forgot that this is an all India event > I do not think one should just assume and take for granted people > really > interested in python will attend what may - they have other priorities > - > families, customers etc. and it would help to be sensitive to those. that is no doubt there - but the first pycon which you missed was held in Bangalore. People are bound to have other commitments and miss a conference even if it is in their home city. That rarely depends on the location. I personally do not think a few extra hours of travel time will affect this. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 10:34:03 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:04:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297244043.1831.123.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 13:54 +0530, sankarshan wrote: > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:38 PM, Baishampayan Ghose > wrote: > > > "Reasonably civilised" Indian cities are not as well connected as > those abroad. > > To clarify, while reading the thread it appeared to me as a choice > between hosting the event at a not-so-well_connected location versus > not organizing the event at all. cbe vs chennai from bangalore - same distance from mumbai - same distance from delhi - half an hour longer from kerala - much closer from pune - about 3 hours longer (this is flight) ample superfast trains also are there. And sleeper volvos. connectivity is not the issue. > > I may well be mistaken though for distilling the issue into such a > binary choice. the issue is the question of warm bodies to to the work. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From jaganadhg at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 10:35:28 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:05:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > Not so sure. I tried to look up direct flights from pune to coimbatore. > Apparently none. > PNE --> MAA --> CJB and PNE --> BLR --> CJB flights are available even with out lay over time -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 10:41:51 2011 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:11:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 3:05 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > >> Not so sure. I tried to look up direct flights from pune to coimbatore. >> Apparently none. > > > PNE --> MAA --> CJB and PNE --> BLR --> CJB flights are available even with > out lay over time That's North Philadelphia :) Pune on the IATA chart is PNQ. Although I have reasons to believe that it was just a typographical and not Freudian slip ;) -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From jaganadhg at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 10:54:09 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:24:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > > > > PNE --> MAA --> CJB and PNE --> BLR --> CJB flights are available even > with > > out lay over time > > That's North Philadelphia :) Pune on the IATA chart is PNQ. 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Developers who are focussed on python - they will attend regardless > of where the conference is, *especially* if there is an extreme track. > > 2. Developers who are *also* interested in python - these will probably > only attend if it is held in their own city. > > 3. Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number of > students who are willing to travel to attend. > > 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. The problem is mood. A "conference" dominated by first timer students will become nothing more than a glorified workshop or at best a user group meeting. While fine for advocacy, it's a very low goal for an annual conference. We've been criticised for this in the past two conferences and justifiably so. I think we should focus on creating a conference for genuine high quality people and offer a tutorial type session on the side. The city should be selected based on that. Given the choice between Chennai and Coimbatore, I'd prefer the former. If Pune is an option, that'd be fine as well. It'd be a pity if the conference became simply a glorified tutorial session for college students with a few talks thrown in. [...] -- From lawgon at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 11:29:36 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 15:59:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297247376.1831.134.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 13:18 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > The problem is mood. A "conference" dominated by first timer students > will become nothing more than a glorified workshop or at best a user > group meeting. While fine for advocacy, it's a very low goal for an > annual conference. I fully agree - but the solution is to do what we did in the first pycon - have a track for newbies and direct them there. With enough activity to keep them there. And have a normal track, and if there is enough traction, an extreme track. And again I would like to emphasise that the main thing is that the conference should take place. I can guarantee that in Coimbatore - if others can do so for other places, I have no issues whatsoever. But it should be a guarantee. Like what Noufal did for Bangalore (and we absolutely cannot have it again in Bangalore) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 11:32:20 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:02:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Feb 09 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:05 +0530, Ramdas S wrote: > >> > Keep up the good work, and spread the word around. > >> > >> More than colleges we need professional developers, which is why > >> Bangalore, > >> Pune and Chennai is always on top of our list... > > > > well this depends on your perspective. There are four classes of people > > who attend inpycon: > > > > 1. Developers who are focussed on python - they will attend regardless > > of where the conference is, *especially* if there is an extreme track. > > > > 2. Developers who are *also* interested in python - these will probably > > only attend if it is held in their own city. > > > > 3. Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number of > > students who are willing to travel to attend. > > > > 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. > > The problem is mood. A "conference" dominated by first timer students > will become nothing more than a glorified workshop or at best a user > group meeting. While fine for advocacy, it's a very low goal for an > annual conference. > > We've been criticised for this in the past two conferences and > justifiably so. > > I think we should focus on creating a conference for genuine high > quality people and offer a tutorial type session on the side. > > The city should be selected based on that. Given the choice between > Chennai and Coimbatore, I'd prefer the former. If Pune is an option, > that'd be fine as well. > > It'd be a pity if the conference became simply a glorified tutorial > session for college students with a few talks thrown in. > Late into the thread, but I concur with Noufal's view points. I am not disputing any credentials of Comibatore as a venue, but for an event like this in its 3rd edition, I think we should choose cities with a global name recognition. Bangalore, Chennai has it and so does Pune to some extent. Coimbatore is probably on the way towards it, but it is not yet there IMHO. With all due respect, a Pycon India is worlds away from a World Tamil Conference in terms of the kind of audience. We would want a more cosmopolitan city to host it, at least that is what my personal opinion is. > > > [...] > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Wed Feb 9 11:46:57 2011 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:16:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Dear All, May I suggest that we move forward from this discussion to next level. How about suggesting Python groups/ individuals from interested city to say they are ready. We could suggest a format. Such has Main lead person/ group: Backup support provided by members: Suggested venue: Suggested Date: If cities interested can respond back to this list with in given time frame (say this Friday night 11:59 PM) then we can narrow down the choices if any. It would be incorrect to say either yes/ no to any city when we are not clear who else is also ready to host the event. Regards, - sree On 9 February 2011 16:02, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 1:18 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Wed, Feb 09 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> > On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 12:05 +0530, Ramdas S wrote: >> >> > Keep up the good work, and spread the word around. >> >> >> >> More than colleges we need professional developers, which is why >> >> Bangalore, >> >> Pune and Chennai is always on top of our list... >> > >> > well this depends on your perspective. There are four classes of people >> > who attend inpycon: >> > >> > 1. Developers who are focussed on python - they will attend regardless >> > of where the conference is, *especially* if there is an extreme track. >> > >> > 2. Developers who are *also* interested in python - these will probably >> > only attend if it is held in their own city. >> > >> > 3. Students - I have noticed in the last two events a large number of >> > students who are willing to travel to attend. >> > >> > 4. Newbies - will only attend if it is in their own city. >> >> The problem is mood. A "conference" dominated by first timer students >> will become nothing more than a glorified workshop or at best a user >> group meeting. While fine for advocacy, it's a very low goal for an >> annual conference. >> >> We've been criticised for this in the past two conferences and >> justifiably so. >> >> I think we should focus on creating a conference for genuine high >> quality people and offer a tutorial type session on the side. >> >> The city should be selected based on that. Given the choice between >> Chennai and Coimbatore, I'd prefer the former. If Pune is an option, >> that'd be fine as well. >> >> It'd be a pity if the conference became simply a glorified tutorial >> session for college students with a few talks thrown in. >> > > Late into the thread, but I concur with Noufal's view points. > > I am not disputing any credentials of Comibatore as a venue, > but for an event like this in its 3rd edition, I think we should > choose cities with a global name recognition. Bangalore, > Chennai has it and so does Pune to some extent. Coimbatore > is probably on the way towards it, but it is not yet there IMHO. > > With all due respect, a Pycon India is worlds away from > a World Tamil Conference in terms of the kind of audience. > We would want a more cosmopolitan city to host it, at least > that is what my personal opinion is. > > > >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. "OpenSpace", #583, Vyalikaval HBCS Layout, Nagawara, Veerannapalya, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone: +91 80 4343 7373 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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People are bound to have other commitments and miss a > conference even if it is in their home city. That rarely depends on > the location. I personally do not think a few extra hours of travel > time will affect this. The location *does* matter. The very fact that we're having this discussion shows that. :) -- From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 9 16:39:10 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 21:09:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Sreekanth S. Rameshaiah's message of "Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:16:57 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87ei7hcj4x.fsf@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 09 2011, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > Dear All, > May I suggest that we move forward from this discussion to next level. > > How about suggesting Python groups/ individuals from interested city to say > they are ready. > We could suggest a format. Such has > > Main lead person/ group: > Backup support provided by members: > Suggested venue: > Suggested Date: > > If cities interested can respond back to this list with in given time > frame (say this Friday night 11:59 PM) then we can narrow down the > choices if any. It would be incorrect to say either yes/ no to any > city when we are not clear who else is also ready to host the event. [...] Ah Sree! The voice of wisdom. :) This is the way the US PyCon people do it. So, is everyone in agreement with this? Can we expect emails of the above format to reach the list before the end of Friday? -- From navin at smriti.com Wed Feb 9 17:23:49 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 21:53:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87ei7hcj4x.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <87ei7hcj4x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Main lead person/ group: > > Backup support provided by members: > > Suggested venue: > > Suggested Date: > > > > If cities interested can respond back to this list with in given time > > frame (say this Friday night 11:59 PM) then we can narrow down the > > choices if any. It would be incorrect to say either yes/ no to any > > city when we are not clear who else is also ready to host the event. > > [...] > So, is everyone in agreement with this? Can we expect emails of the > above format to reach the list before the end of Friday? > Lead person, other group members and *potential* venues can be given by Friday. *Confirmed* venue will require a little more time. Also, what are the requirements for the venue? I'm assuming one large auditorium and two smaller rooms should be good enough. What should the capacities of the audi and rooms be? navin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We're undecided about the number of tracks. One *large* hall to handle the keynote (should house 80% of the crowd). Then 2 or 3 halls more. Most venues will be flexible about this (colleges etc.). [...] -- From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 03:24:32 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 07:54:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <871v3hcd3p.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <87ei7hcj4x.fsf@gmail.com> <871v3hcd3p.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297304672.1831.148.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 23:19 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Also, what are the requirements for the venue? I'm assuming one > large > > auditorium and two smaller rooms should be good enough. What should > > the capacities of the audi and rooms be? > > > We're undecided about the number of tracks. > > One *large* hall to handle the keynote (should house 80% of the > crowd). > Then 2 or 3 halls more. Most venues will be flexible about this > (colleges etc.). one lockable room for equipment. One room for speakers to interact. Some class rooms for BOFs. One or more labs for workshops. One responsible staff member for liason. A group of students as volunteers. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:37:04 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:07:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297323424.1831.199.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 16:16 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: Coimbatore bid: > Main lead person/ group: Kenneth Gonsalves and Jaganadh - both have been with the past two pycons from the word go > Backup support provided by members: 365media and Coimbatore LUG - the LUG is young but very active. Also considerable infrastructure support expected from leading industrialists in Coimbatore who are sympathetic to python > Suggested venue: Sri Krishna Engineering college (this campus has engineering, arts and science and catering college combined with several auditoriums and at least 3 60 seat labs available. And numerous classrooms and lawns for discussions. Some amount of hostel accommodation will also be available at Sri Krishna and it's sister college - Janakammal college which is just around the corner. Buses to and from city will also be available. Volunteers are not a problem - even food is available as they have a start of art mess (only veg I am afraid). We have contacts with the college both at staff level and also at management and owner level. > Suggested Date: 23rd, 24th and 25th of September -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:39:07 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:09:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 16:02 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > With all due respect, a Pycon India is worlds away from > a World Tamil Conference mention of World Tamil Conference is merely to show that crores of rupees have been poured into the infrastructure of the city > in terms of the kind of audience. > We would want a more cosmopolitan city to host it, I do not understand what this has to do with anything -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:41:30 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:11:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 20:58 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > that is no doubt there - but the first pycon which you missed was > held > > in Bangalore. People are bound to have other commitments and miss a > > conference even if it is in their home city. That rarely depends on > > the location. I personally do not think a few extra hours of travel > > time will affect this. > > The location *does* matter. The very fact that we're having this > discussion shows that. :) not to nitpick, but what I meant is that whether committed people attend or miss is usually not because of location but because of unexpected commitments, death in the family etc. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:52:50 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:22:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:11:30 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 20:58 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > that is no doubt there - but the first pycon which you missed was >> held >> > in Bangalore. People are bound to have other commitments and miss a >> > conference even if it is in their home city. That rarely depends on >> > the location. I personally do not think a few extra hours of travel >> > time will affect this. >> >> The location *does* matter. The very fact that we're having this >> discussion shows that. :) > > not to nitpick, but what I meant is that whether committed people > attend or miss is usually not because of location but because of > unexpected commitments, death in the family etc. Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable with the food etc. -- From goda.abishek at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:57:52 2011 From: goda.abishek at gmail.com (Abishek Goda) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:27:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> not to nitpick, but what I meant is that whether committed people >> attend or miss is usually not because of location but because of >> unexpected commitments, death in the family etc. > > Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd > think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending > one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable > with the food etc. +1. But between chennai and coimbatore, i guess that would not be the case! I have not attended pycon before and am hoping i will this time :) Abishek From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 08:58:45 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:28:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:22 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > not to nitpick, but what I meant is that whether committed people > > attend or miss is usually not because of location but because of > > unexpected commitments, death in the family etc. > > Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd > think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending > one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable > with the food etc. me too ;-) maybe you have a point. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:08:39 2011 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (Anubha Dadhich) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:38:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:22 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 20:58 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> > that is no doubt there - but the first pycon which you missed was > >> held > >> > in Bangalore. People are bound to have other commitments and miss a > >> > conference even if it is in their home city. That rarely depends on > >> > the location. I personally do not think a few extra hours of travel > >> > time will affect this. > >> > >> The location *does* matter. The very fact that we're having this > >> discussion shows that. :) > > > > not to nitpick, but what I meant is that whether committed people > > attend or miss is usually not because of location but because of > > unexpected commitments, death in the family etc. > > Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd > think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending > one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable > with the food etc. > So that means that ppl from Delhi must also garner similar feelings if is held in Chennai or Bangalore. You cannot bear north Indian food for two days!! and you expect ample participation from python enthusiasts in Delhi. Also, you expect everyone from Delhi would be knowing someone in Chennai. And you are one who talk about making a All India Python Conference.. what a joke. > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.ghose at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:10:16 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:40:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: >> Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd >> think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending >> one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable >> with the food etc. > > So that means that ppl from Delhi must also garner similar feelings if is > held in Chennai or Bangalore. You cannot bear north Indian food for two > days!! and you expect ample participation from python enthusiasts in Delhi. > Also, you expect everyone from Delhi would be knowing someone in Chennai. > > > And you are one who talk about making a All India Python Conference.. what a > joke. +1 Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:14:00 2011 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (Anubha Dadhich) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:44:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:28 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:22 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > not to nitpick, but what I meant is that whether committed people > > > attend or miss is usually not because of location but because of > > > unexpected commitments, death in the family etc. > > > > Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd > > think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending > > one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable > > with the food etc. > > me too ;-) maybe you have a point. > This is one reason this mailing list sucks Big time. It is meant for a closed group of ppl. You can never make it an All India conference. Last time it was owned by Noufal, this time it will be owned by Kenneth. No wonder It is same set of ppl who give presentations year after year. --. > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaganadhg at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:14:12 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:44:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd >> think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending >> one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable >> with the food etc. >> > > So that means that ppl from Delhi must also garner similar feelings if is > held in Chennai or Bangalore. You cannot bear north Indian food for two > days!! and you expect ample participation from python enthusiasts in Delhi. > Also, you expect everyone from Delhi would be knowing someone in Chennai. > > > And you are one who talk about making a All India Python Conference.. what > a joke. > Sorry guys . We are not concerned about the food we are concerned about making the PyCon India 2011 happen which will give food for many brains ;-) Where we can conduct matters here . -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kausikram at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:20:05 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:50:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > So that means that ppl from Delhi must also garner similar feelings if is > held in Chennai or Bangalore. You cannot bear north Indian food for two > days!! and you expect ample participation from python enthusiasts in Delhi. > Also, you expect everyone from Delhi would be knowing someone in Chennai. > > > And you are one who talk about making a All India Python Conference.. what a > joke. Whoa! calmdown people. this is not even remotely close to the topic. the problem is distills to this: irrespective of whether there is a active local user group or not, there needs to be active volunteer support. these are two things that are completely different. If Delhi can show the strength then we would be happy to oblige and take the conference to Delhi. i think the entire bit about we are not okay with the local food was in a lighter vein, lets not over emphasize that. the problem Chennai, is facing right now is to see if it has an active volunteer base. volunteer base != size of user group. volunteerbase== number of people willing to put time aside to run on the ground and organize the conference. This topic is already a bit touchy lets not openly flame. please. /kausik -- Kausikram Krishnasayee From jaganadhg at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:19:49 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:49:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > > This is one reason this mailing list sucks Big time. It is meant for a > closed group of ppl. You can never make it an All India conference. > Last time it was owned by Noufal, this time it will be owned by Kenneth. > > The conference is not owned by a single person . It belongs to the community including you . Even if you participated you helped to make it happen and make a gant success. Here the person stands to get the credit for all the bad things happened . No wonder It is same set of ppl who give presentations year after year. > > Have you submitted a talk proposed last year ? .There was many new faces in the last years conference . I think this year too many new faces will come and there will be more quality talks will be there . Nobody cant say that the same old faces came. Because anybody can try to throw a proposel for a talk in the Python Conference . If it is worthy definitely it will be approved . We expects that more people will come forward for talks this year -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kausikram at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:22:05 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:52:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> Message-ID: >> No wonder It is same set of ppl who give presentations year after year. >[..] Have you submitted a talk proposed last year ? .There was many new faces in > the last years conference . I think this year too many new faces will come > and there will be more quality talks will be there . Nobody cant say that > the same old faces came. Because anybody can try to throw a proposel for a > talk in the Python Conference . If it is worthy definitely it will be > approved . We expects that more people will come forward for talks this year Request closure in this line of discussion. Constructive objective criticism is welcome. pointing fingers is not. -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 From sethi.anubha at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:35:08 2011 From: sethi.anubha at gmail.com (Anubha Dadhich) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:05:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:50 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > So that means that ppl from Delhi must also garner similar feelings if is > > held in Chennai or Bangalore. You cannot bear north Indian food for two > > days!! and you expect ample participation from python enthusiasts in > Delhi. > > Also, you expect everyone from Delhi would be knowing someone in Chennai. > > > > > > And you are one who talk about making a All India Python Conference.. > what a > > joke. > > Whoa! calmdown people. this is not even remotely close to the topic. > the problem is distills to this: > irrespective of whether there is a active local user group or not, > there needs to be active volunteer support. these are two things that > are completely different. If Delhi can show the strength then we would > be happy to oblige and take the conference to Delhi. i think the > entire bit about we are not okay with the local food was in a lighter > vein, lets not over emphasize that. > the problem Chennai, is facing right now is to see if it has an active > volunteer base. volunteer base != size of user group. volunteerbase== > number of people willing to put time aside to run on the ground and > organize the conference. > > This topic is already a bit touchy lets not openly flame. please. > > /kausik > > I do not live in delhi, I live in Bangalore. This is only to make it clear that I did not come out to speak because i have a soft corner for Delhi. It was shocking to read the views of the most important person behind the last two conferences. Ofcourse, userbase is a very important criteria. The conference is not owned by one person. It is a collective responsibility provided ppl do not let others feel sidelined. -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:42:08 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:12:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Anubha Dadhich's message of "Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:44:00 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87bp2k46xr.fsf@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anubha Dadhich wrote: [...] > This is one reason this mailing list sucks Big time. It is meant for a > closed group of ppl. You can never make it an All India conference. > Last time it was owned by Noufal, this time it will be owned by > Kenneth. I don't recollect seeing you picking anything up. Like we said earlier over here, if someone from an active user group mails with details on the number of people who are there who can help and if they have a venue, no one is going to stand in the way. > No wonder It is same set of ppl who give presentations year after > year. The CFP was open, the proposals were invited from all over. Did you submit a proposal? I withdrew mine to make place for other presentations. The list has been free of this kind of partisanship till now. Please don't start it. [...] -- From noufal at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:49:37 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:19:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Anubha Dadhich's message of "Thu, 10 Feb 2011 13:38:39 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8762ss46la.fsf@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anubha Dadhich wrote: [...] >> Location matters too. I really like Python and the community but I'd >> think twice about attending a conference in Delhi than about attending >> one in Chennai. I don't know anyone in Delhi, I'm not that comfortable >> with the food etc. >> > > So that means that ppl from Delhi must also garner similar feelings if is > held in Chennai or Bangalore. You cannot bear north Indian food for two > days!! I can "bear" North Indian food for much more than two days. I eat it regularly but you probably have enough ammo anyway. If the best you can do is to twist my dietary preferences into a North vs. South style debate (which this list has been free of thankfully till now), there's not much more to say. > and you expect ample participation from python enthusiasts in Delhi. > Also, you expect everyone from Delhi would be knowing someone in > Chennai. I don't *expect* anything. We *had* ample participation from Delhi and other places in the north the first and second years. I don't have any issues conducting the event in Delhi either. If there's a strong community there and someone can lead it, I'm all for it. Look. It's one thing to do contribute something and then have disagreements. It's quite something else to pop up and graft your own biases onto what I say and then twist it into some kind of north vs. south debate. If you're willing to give me the benefit of the doubt, then you have my word that I didn't intend an offense. If you're not, well, there's nothing more to be said. [...] -- From noufal at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:56:04 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:26:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Anubha Dadhich's message of "Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:05:08 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87wrl82rq3.fsf@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anubha Dadhich wrote: [...] > I do not live in delhi, I live in Bangalore. This is only to make it > clear that I did not come out to speak because i have a soft corner > for Delhi. I don't have soft corners (or prejudices for that matter) for any place or language being somewhat an unanchored person myself. > It was shocking to read the views of the most important person behind > the last two conferences. Ofcourse, userbase is a very important > criteria. > The conference is not owned by one person. It is a collective > responsibility provided ppl do not let others feel sidelined. In hindsight, a statment like "think twice about attending" was inappropriate and I'm sorry that you read it that way. All I'm saying is that venue matters (contradicting Kenneth) and giving examples saying that even tiny things like dietary preferences and things like that would affect people's decisions to come. That being said, conducting it in a place that's more cosmopolitan (like Bangalore, Delhi, Chennai) would be preferable to conducting it in a smaller city for these reasons. [...] -- From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 09:58:02 2011 From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:28:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8762ss46la.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <8762ss46la.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > I can "bear" North Indian food for much more than two days. I eat it > regularly but you probably have enough ammo anyway. > > If the best you can do is to twist my dietary preferences into a North > vs. South style debate (which this list has been free of thankfully till > now), there's not much more to say. > +1 Thanks & Regards, Sreenivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 9393099772. 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You can never make it an All India conference. > > Last time it was owned by Noufal, this time it will be owned by > > Kenneth. > > I don't recollect seeing you picking anything up. Like we said earlier > over here, if someone from an active user group mails with details on > the number of people who are there who can help and if they have a > venue, no one is going to stand in the way. > This is the only way you can make ppl shut their mouth and overlook the real issue - > that it looks like the conference is owned by a handful of ppl. This is one reason why not many ppl come out to extend a helping hand and I am one of them. > > No wonder It is same set of ppl who give presentations year after > > year.https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/12e03ecb7535a4b4 > > The CFP was open, the proposals were invited from all over. Did you > submit a proposal? I withdrew mine to make place for other > presentations. > > The list has been free of this kind of partisanship till now. 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URL: From goda.abishek at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 10:14:44 2011 From: goda.abishek at gmail.com (Abishek Goda) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:44:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> <87bp2k46xr.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, > This is the only way you can make ppl shut their mouth and overlook the real > issue - > that it looks like the conference is owned by a handful of ppl. > This is one reason why not many ppl come out to extend a helping hand and I > am one of them. > Honestly, i've been following these emails (passively, of course) since the last inpycon and this is the first time i am hearing this allegation. The point is not if someone is hand holding the whole show. The point is whether is show is happening. I don't think any email said anything about who should or not help. Abishek From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com Thu Feb 10 10:20:35 2011 From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 14:50:35 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Inpycon] venue Message-ID: <794868.97291.qm@web95304.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi, ? Let move forward . ? As said earlier ,? EOD friday every one is allowed to come up with team and make it happen it their city(except Bangalore). ? It's community conference? so every will help irrespective of location in all ways they can. --- On Thu, 10/2/11, Anubha Dadhich wrote: From: Anubha Dadhich Subject: Re: [Inpycon] venue To: "Mailing list for the PyCon India conference" Date: Thursday, 10 February, 2011, 2:34 PM On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anubha Dadhich wrote: [...] > This is one reason this mailing list sucks Big time. It is meant for a > closed group of ppl. You can never make it an All India conference. > Last time it was owned by Noufal, this time it will be owned by > Kenneth. I don't recollect seeing you picking anything up. Like we said earlier over here, if someone from an active user group mails with details on the number of people who are there who can help and if they have a venue, no one is going to stand in the way. This is the only way you can make ppl shut their mouth and overlook the real issue - > that it looks like the conference is owned by a handful of ppl. This is one reason why not many ppl come out to extend a helping hand and I am one of them. > No wonder It is same set of ppl who give presentations year after > year.https://mail.google.com/mail/?shva=1#inbox/12e03ecb7535a4b4 The CFP was open, the proposals were invited from all over. Did you submit a proposal? I withdrew mine to make place for other presentations. The list has been free of this kind of partisanship till now. 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URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 10:57:13 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 15:27:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <1297236803.1831.108.camel@localhost> <1297243518.1831.116.camel@localhost> <87ipwtcjm7.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323690.1831.203.camel@localhost> <87lj1o497x.fsf@gmail.com> <1297324725.1831.208.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297331833.1831.214.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 13:44 +0530, Anubha Dadhich wrote: > This is one reason this mailing list sucks Big time. It is meant for a > closed group of ppl. You can never make it an All India conference. > Last time it was owned by Noufal, this time it will be owned by > Kenneth. please keep your tone civil - this mailing list is 'owned' by the people who come forward and do work. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 13:40:25 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:10:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-09 at 16:02 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > With all due respect, a Pycon India is worlds away from > > a World Tamil Conference > > mention of World Tamil Conference is merely to show that crores of > rupees have been poured into the infrastructure of the city > > > in terms of the kind of audience. > > We would want a more cosmopolitan city to host it, > > I do not understand what this has to do with anything > I will be flat out frank then. If we are going to invite someone from abroad as I think we would like to do, I would rather prefer a city where we can go around a bit, have some fun and has a wide choice when it comes to cuisine etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but my personal belief is that Coimbatore for all its good qualities, is lacking here. I am not very sure it is good advertisement for the conference at this early stages. Also, since we expect a lot of delegates from central-North India, wouldn't it be better to have a more central and well-connected location which has a more cosmopolitan mix of people ? Let us take hypothetical city "X" and play a mental game. Person A from South India, B from central India, C from North, D from North East, E from North West and F who is a foreign delegate are talking. A - Pycon India this year is in city "X". B - Oh really, X is cool, I have been there many times. C - "X" ? Yeah, it is a good place for conferences, I have flown there many times myself. D - Never been to "X", but heard about it, surely look forward to attending this. E - X ? My friends and relatives live there, so it would be cool. F - X ? Yeah of course, my friend works for a company who outsources to their dev center in X. Now, substitute "X" with Chennai, Bangalore, Pune etc and I think it fits. I am not so so sure about Coimbatore. Now got it ? I do hope so. I would like to also point out that being obstinately repeating Coimbatore is good, great, fine etc doesn't make it so. You seem to believe that hammering a point down the throat of others, makes it by default a valid and accepted one. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 13:55:59 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:25:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:10:25 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > I would like to also point out that being obstinately repeating > Coimbatore is good, great, fine etc doesn't make it so. You seem to > believe that hammering a point down the throat of others, makes it by > default a valid and accepted one. I didn't get the impression he was shoving the point down anyone's throat. I think the crux of his argument was - That Chennai was what was suggested but is not in a position to conduct it - Most of the people who proposed Chennai are now in Coimbatore. - There are enough colleges and students there to do the groundwork. - And it's now accessible. These however don't address your comments about requiring a cosmopolitan city with an active *Python* community (not a LUG most of the members of which code in Python) so your point is still valid and I'm personally, not too hot about holding it in Coimbatore (-0). Let's see what the Chennai (and others if any) have to say about the event. We'll beat it out on the list for a few days and finally decide. The groundwork *has* to start with March if we're to get a good event happening. Also, the PyCon in the US is then so if we get the ball rolling, we can invite someone from there for our conference here. [...] -- From abpillai at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 14:21:06 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:51:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > [...] > > > I would like to also point out that being obstinately repeating > > Coimbatore is good, great, fine etc doesn't make it so. You seem to > > believe that hammering a point down the throat of others, makes it by > > default a valid and accepted one. > > I didn't get the impression he was shoving the point down anyone's > throat. I think the crux of his argument was > - That Chennai was what was suggested but is not in a position to > conduct it > - Most of the people who proposed Chennai are now in Coimbatore. > This is not a valid argument. Let us assume for a moment that myself, you, Anand C, Vijay Bang, Sri and a bunch of others who helped ran Pycon 2010 move to Mysore in 2011. Would you use that as a basis for saying we will run Pycon 2012 in Mysore ? > - There are enough colleges and students there to do the > groundwork. > Great. But as I have personally seen and experienced in Pycon 2010, just having a bunch of college students to run around is not good enough. Someone has to be on the ground, directing them. > - And it's now accessible. > > These however don't address your comments about requiring a cosmopolitan > city with an active *Python* community (not a LUG most of the members of > which code in Python) so your point is still valid and I'm personally, > not too hot about holding it in Coimbatore (-0). > Yes, so you got my point. > > Let's see what the Chennai (and others if any) have to say about the > event. We'll beat it out on the list for a few days and finally > decide. The groundwork *has* to start with March if we're to get a good > event happening. Also, the PyCon in the US is then so if we get the ball > rolling, we can invite someone from there for our conference here. > > Exactly. It is not good to argue and make it appear that the following is an axiom. 1. We first decided to do this in Chennai. 2. Most of the organizers who would have done this in Chennai is now in Coimbatore. 3. Most of these organizers feel this can be done in Coimbatore. 4. 1 and 2 with the support of 3, implies that Coimbatore is the natural venue for this. I would like to point out that 4 doesn't lead directly from 1,2 and 3. We need to hear about other city folks in the list, discuss thoroughly, call for a telecon of interested folks if required and take a proper decision within a week or two at most. > [...] > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yuvipanda at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 20:46:33 2011 From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:16:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm Yuvi. A student from Chennai. I've attended the last two InPyCons, and even gave the last talk at last year's. I was among the group of about 10+ students who committed ourselves to ground work during this year's PyCon if it were held in Chennai. Getting enthusiastic people working on the ground wouldn't be an issue at all - provided we have someone to point us to things to do. "Get Action X done by Time Y" kinda stuff. Personally too, I'd be able to take a lot more active role once GSoC 2011 is over :) -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog From noufal at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 20:58:59 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:28:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Yuvi Panda's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:16:33 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87ei7f1x18.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Yuvi Panda wrote: > Hi, I'm Yuvi. A student from Chennai. I've attended the last two > InPyCons, and even gave the last talk at last year's. [...] Weren't you the one who wrote reap.py? :) -- From yuvipanda at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 21:15:56 2011 From: yuvipanda at gmail.com (Yuvi Panda) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 01:45:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <87ei7f1x18.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <87ei7f1x18.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:28 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Weren't you the one who wrote reap.py? :) Ah, yes - the twitter search microframework whose name you guys shamelessly stole and used without credit :P I should file a lawsuit :P -- Yuvi Panda T http://yuvi.in/blog From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Thu Feb 10 23:17:50 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 03:47:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 Message-ID: All, This is to formally document our interest in hosting Pycon India 2011 in Pune. Note that this thought was initiated a little over 2 days ago and this is the progress we have been able to make so far. *Team : *We were able to put together this team through pure word of mouth and almost everyone contacted immediately showed an extremely active interest and enthusiasm and is listed below. We are aware of at least two more who have shown interest, at least one of them widely known within the Python community. We just haven't had the time to pull them into the discussions yet, and we have not even put out the word on pune python group yet, and I believe once we do that there will be many more who probably will share the enthusiasm to participate and make this happen. The team is Cc'ed on this email, and a brief description about their python and general event organisation background (in alphabetical order) follows - *Baishampayan Ghose aka BG* : Should need no introduction to Python community or bangpypers list. Chief geek and Co-founder - Infinitely Beta, paisa.com - uses python and tornado amongst other technologies. Very keen sharer of knowledge, conducts many talks and has organised many user group meetings. - *Dhananjay Nene (Lead)* : Occasional participant in bangpypers, consulting architect and part of the programming team for two B2B SaaS services currently in production - both using Pylons. Last major organisation experience was 20 years ago, as a member of the core committee of IIM Ahmedabad Marketing fair, primarily responsible for designing the systems and operations of and responsible for the control room which individually routed more than 10k people based on their marketing demograpics - an organisation effort that took almost an year. Regularly talks at many tech events in Pune and presented at "Functional Programming in Python" at Pycon 2010. - *Harshad Oak* : Regularly organises 3 to 4 conferences every year in pune (commercially). Also runs Rightrix, and indicthreads.com. Also started pythonthreads.com, a few years ago, but then concentrated his efforts on indicthreads. Creator of the PythonPune mailing list. - *Navin Kabra* : Perhaps best known for his extremely popular punetech.com which is a highly respected tech community site, he is also the CTO and co-founder of bharathealth.com and chose django to write his code to. Navin is the quietly popular guy with connections and relationships running both deep and wide into Pune's academicia and corporates . Has been an instrumental participant in a number of events including proto.in pune open coffee club, techweekend pune, and many other blog camps and bar camps in addition to organising user group events. - *Steven Fernandez aka steve aka lonetwin* : Again probably quite known to many pythonistas, has organised user group events. Not sure which is his preferred python framework poison. It is this teams collective belief and confidence that they have sufficient goodwill, respect and networks to rally both volunteers and participation from local students, academicia, and corporates as necessary to pull of an event of the size of Pycon India. In a lighter vein, our diversity is also reflected by our selection of different python web frameworks. To quote from Navin's mail to the this mailing list a day or two ago : "Pune can definitely host the event. We have enough interested volunteers, a very strong community (the PythonPune mailing list is not very active in spite of 100+ members, but the Pune linux users group, the Pune Open Coffee Club, CSI Pune and PuneTech are all very strong, and have enough pythonistas in them that we can put together a very strong team on the ground. And of course, venues and colleges is absolutely not a problem here.)". It should also be noted that proximity to Mumbai is unlikely to hurt. *Venue* At this stage the team has put together a candidate set of venues, some of those descriptions are documented below. We believe we need to work a little bit more with the Pycon India team to size the expected audience and decide which venues should be considered more attractive than others. Kindly note that we have not got in touch with any one of these venue managements since we would like to discuss exactly what we should use as the right criteria for prioritising them. Also we would like to be sure there is appropriate interest in considering Pune as the hosting city, before we start contacting the appropriate folks responsible for these venues. The venues are listed below in no particular order. 1. College of Engineering Pune: Advantages: Large Auditorium. Space/Classrooms not a problem. Great location (center of town) Disadvantages: Auditorium is a little dark and a little old. 2. Persistent Systems: Advantages: Excellent Auditorium. Great location (center of town) Disadvantages: Additional rooms would be an issue - 3rd room likely to be small; 4th room non-existent. 3. Bharati Vidyapeeth / PICT (both colleges with similar pros/cons): Advantages: Would be enthusiastic about hosting the event; space wont be an issue Disadvantages: Location. A little far from the airport (35 minutes) 4. SIMC / Symbiosis Vishwabhavan (both non-tech colleges) Advantages: Good location, good auditorium, space is not a problem Disadvantages: Not a tech college, so wont have faculty/students interested in Pycon 5. Army Institute of Technology (engineering college): Advantages: Location near airport (a little outside the city, though); enthusiastic about having/supporting events Disadvantages: Auditorium capacity is only 200 (is that enough?). A little outside the city. 6. Symbiosis; Lavale (multiple colleges, including SIT a tech college interested in tech events): Advantages: Venue - lovely location on a hilltop. Great campus. Brand new audi & classrooms. Disadvantage: Location - completely out of town (45 minutes from town, 1 hour from airport; 15/20 minutes from nearest good hotels). But beauty of campus might overcome this disadvantage. We can probably get someone to sponsor a couple of bus trips to and from the center of the city. *Date of Event : *To preserve continuity with earlier Pycon India, we would like to target the last or second last weekend of September 2011. However we believe it would be appropriate to review the local college examination schedules and may need to adjust it slightly to ensure that students can participate in terms of volunteeriing, attending and learning. Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wow now that Pune has thrown there hat into the ring its three way Pune vs Chennai vs Coimbatore , i am loving it sitting with my pocorn and enjoying the show :-) , go pune go give chennai run for there money !! , No to symbiosis they are already doing one event or other , lets try some other place .... now i can see Chennai will now be reorganizing still there time has not run out , i liked the names of people and presentation of the proposal so far , i am sure you can pull this one anyday . -Satya ps:somebody asked me to throw the hat in for Delhi , but we are not there yet :-( , so this time around i would enjoy the show from outside the ring. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 03:06:27 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:36:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:10 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > I will be flat out frank then. frankness is appreciated. I will be frank also. I want the conference to take place. Nothing was happening on the Chennai front. The only thing I can offer is Coimbatore. I offered it. That's all I can do. > If we are going to invite someone from > abroad > as I think we would like to do, I would rather prefer a city where we > can > go around a bit, have some fun and has a wide choice when it comes > to cuisine etc. Correct me if I am wrong, but my personal belief is > that > Coimbatore for all its good qualities, is lacking here. when were you last in Coimbatore? > I am not very sure > it is good advertisement for the conference at this early stages. > > Also, since we expect a lot of delegates from central-North India, > wouldn't it be better to have a more central and well-connected > location > which has a more cosmopolitan mix of people ? If you look at the past two conferences, participation from central-North India was minimal. The bulk of the delegates were from Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Coimbatore and Kerala. > I would like to also point out that being obstinately repeating > Coimbatore > is good, great, fine etc doesn't make it so. You seem to believe that > hammering a point down the throat of others, makes it by default > a valid and accepted one. this is pretty insulting. It implies something that I have not done. I have every right to make a bid for a city - and every right to point out the facilities it has. I am sure Pune and Chennai would do the same. And so does every city in the world that bids for anything. In fact, it is not only pretty insulting but highly insulting. If you are not happy with the bid, you can vote against it. Comments of this nature are highly uncalled for. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 03:08:41 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:38:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> I have explained my point of view in another message on this thread - I am not going to repeat myself. On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:51 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > [...] > > > I would like to also point out that being obstinately > repeating > > Coimbatore is good, great, fine etc doesn't make it so. You > seem to > > believe that hammering a point down the throat of others, > makes it by > > default a valid and accepted one. > > > I didn't get the impression he was shoving the point down > anyone's > throat. I think the crux of his argument was > - That Chennai was what was suggested but is not in a > position to > conduct it > - Most of the people who proposed Chennai are now in > Coimbatore. > > This is not a valid argument. Let us assume for a moment that myself, > you, Anand C, Vijay Bang, Sri and a bunch of others who helped ran > Pycon 2010 move to Mysore in 2011. Would you use that as a basis for > saying > we will run Pycon 2012 in Mysore ? > > > - There are enough colleges and students there to do the > groundwork. > > Great. But as I have personally seen and experienced in Pycon 2010, > just having a bunch of college students to run around is not good > enough. > Someone has to be on the ground, directing them. > > > > - And it's now accessible. > > These however don't address your comments about requiring a > cosmopolitan > city with an active *Python* community (not a LUG most of the > members of > which code in Python) so your point is still valid and I'm > personally, > not too hot about holding it in Coimbatore (-0). > > Yes, so you got my point. > > > > Let's see what the Chennai (and others if any) have to say > about the > event. We'll beat it out on the list for a few days and > finally > decide. The groundwork *has* to start with March if we're to > get a good > event happening. Also, the PyCon in the US is then so if we > get the ball > rolling, we can invite someone from there for our conference > here. > > > Exactly. It is not good to argue and make it appear that the following > is an axiom. > > 1. We first decided to do this in Chennai. > 2. Most of the organizers who would have done this in Chennai > is now in Coimbatore. > 3. Most of these organizers feel this can be done in Coimbatore. > 4. 1 and 2 with the support of 3, implies that Coimbatore is the > natural > venue for this. > > I would like to point out that 4 doesn't lead directly from 1,2 and 3. > We need to hear about other city folks in the list, discuss > thoroughly, > call for a telecon of interested folks if required and take a proper > decision within a week or two at most. > > [...] > > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 03:16:58 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:46:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1297390618.1831.310.camel@localhost> sounds perfect - if you could block some medium cost hotel as well as look into hostel accommodations for students it would be good. ps - perhaps some of the more savvy people on this list will realise why I was so 'obstinate' about Coimbatore ;-) On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 03:47 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > All, > > This is to formally document our interest in hosting Pycon India 2011 > in Pune. Note that this thought was initiated a little over 2 days ago > and this is the progress we have been able to make so far. > > > Team : > > We were able to put together this team through pure word of mouth and > almost everyone contacted immediately showed an extremely active > interest and enthusiasm and is listed below. We are aware of at least > two more who have shown interest, at least one of them widely known > within the Python community. We just haven't had the time to pull them > into the discussions yet, and we have not even put out the word on > pune python group yet, and I believe once we do that there will be > many more who probably will share the enthusiasm to participate and > make this happen. > > The team is Cc'ed on this email, and a brief description about their > python and general event organisation background (in alphabetical > order) follows > > * Baishampayan Ghose aka BG : Should need no introduction to > Python community or bangpypers list. Chief geek and Co-founder > - Infinitely Beta, paisa.com - uses python and tornado amongst > other technologies. Very keen sharer of knowledge, conducts > many talks and has organised many user group meetings. > > * Dhananjay Nene (Lead) : Occasional participant in bangpypers, > consulting architect and part of the programming team for two > B2B SaaS services currently in production - both using Pylons. > Last major organisation experience was 20 years ago, as a > member of the core committee of IIM Ahmedabad Marketing fair, > primarily responsible for designing the systems and operations > of and responsible for the control room which individually > routed more than 10k people based on their marketing > demograpics - an organisation effort that took almost an year. > Regularly talks at many tech events in Pune and presented at > "Functional Programming in Python" at Pycon 2010. > > * Harshad Oak : Regularly organises 3 to 4 conferences every > year in pune (commercially). Also runs Rightrix, and > indicthreads.com. Also started pythonthreads.com, a few years > ago, but then concentrated his efforts on indicthreads. > Creator of the PythonPune mailing list. > > * Navin Kabra : Perhaps best known for his extremely popular > punetech.com which is a highly respected tech community site, > he is also the CTO and co-founder of bharathealth.com and > chose django to write his code to. Navin is the quietly > popular guy with connections and relationships running both > deep and wide into Pune's academicia and corporates . Has been > an instrumental participant in a number of events including > proto.in pune open coffee club, techweekend pune, and many > other blog camps and bar camps in addition to organising user > group events. > > * Steven Fernandez aka steve aka lonetwin : Again probably quite > known to many pythonistas, has organised user group events. > Not sure which is his preferred python framework poison. > It is this teams collective belief and confidence that they have > sufficient goodwill, respect and networks to rally both volunteers and > participation from local students, academicia, and corporates as > necessary to pull of an event of the size of Pycon India. In a lighter > vein, our diversity is also reflected by our selection of different > python web frameworks. > > To quote from Navin's mail to the this mailing list a day or two ago : > > "Pune can definitely host the event. We have enough interested > volunteers, a very strong community (the PythonPune mailing list is > not very active in spite of 100+ members, but the Pune linux users > group, the Pune Open Coffee Club, CSI Pune and PuneTech are all very > strong, and have enough pythonistas in them that we can put together a > very strong team on the ground. And of course, venues and colleges is > absolutely not a problem here.)". It should also be noted that > proximity to Mumbai is unlikely to hurt. > > Venue > > At this stage the team has put together a candidate set of venues, > some of those descriptions are documented below. We believe we need to > work a little bit more with the Pycon India team to size the expected > audience and decide which venues should be considered more attractive > than others. Kindly note that we have not got in touch with any one of > these venue managements since we would like to discuss exactly what we > should use as the right criteria for prioritising them. Also we would > like to be sure there is appropriate interest in considering Pune as > the hosting city, before we start contacting the appropriate folks > responsible for these venues. The venues are listed below in no > particular order. > > 1. College of Engineering Pune: > Advantages: Large Auditorium. Space/Classrooms not a problem. > Great location (center of town) > Disadvantages: Auditorium is a little dark and a little old. > > > 2. Persistent Systems: > Advantages: Excellent Auditorium. Great location (center of town) > Disadvantages: Additional rooms would be an issue - 3rd room > likely to be small; 4th room non-existent. > > > 3. Bharati Vidyapeeth / PICT (both colleges with similar pros/cons): > Advantages: Would be enthusiastic about hosting the event; space > wont be an issue > Disadvantages: Location. A little far from the airport (35 > minutes) > > > 4. SIMC / Symbiosis Vishwabhavan (both non-tech colleges) > Advantages: Good location, good auditorium, space is not a problem > Disadvantages: Not a tech college, so wont have faculty/students > interested in Pycon > > > 5. Army Institute of Technology (engineering college): > Advantages: Location near airport (a little outside the city, > though); enthusiastic about having/supporting events > Disadvantages: Auditorium capacity is only 200 (is that enough?). A > little outside the city. > > > 6. Symbiosis; Lavale (multiple colleges, including SIT a tech college > interested in tech events): > Advantages: Venue - lovely location on a hilltop. Great campus. > Brand new audi & classrooms. > Disadvantage: Location - completely out of town (45 minutes from > town, 1 hour from airport; 15/20 minutes from nearest good hotels). > But beauty of campus might overcome this disadvantage. We can probably > get someone to sponsor a couple of bus trips to and from the center of > the city. > > Date of Event : > > To preserve continuity with earlier Pycon India, we would like to > target the last or second last weekend of September 2011. However we > believe it would be appropriate to review the local college > examination schedules and may need to adjust it slightly to ensure > that students can participate in terms of volunteeriing, attending and > learning. > > Dhananjay > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From mehul.n.ved at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 04:02:56 2011 From: mehul.n.ved at gmail.com (Mehul Ved) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:32:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: My +1 for pune. On 11 Feb 2011 03:48, "Dhananjay Nene" wrote: > > All, > > This is to formally document our interest in hosting Pycon India 2011 in Pune. Note that this thought was initiated a little over 2 days ago and this is the progress we have been able to make so far. > > > Team : > > We were able to put together this team through pure word of mouth and almost everyone contacted immediately showed an extremely active interest and enthusiasm and is listed below. We are aware of at least two more who have shown interest, at least one of them widely known within the Python community. We just haven't had the time to pull them into the discussions yet, and we have not even put out the word on pune python group yet, and I believe once we do that there will be many more who probably will share the enthusiasm to participate and make this happen. > > The team is Cc'ed on this email, and a brief description about their python and general event organisation background (in alphabetical order) follows > > Baishampayan Ghose aka BG : Should need no introduction to Python community or bangpypers list. Chief geek and Co-founder - Infinitely Beta, paisa.com - uses python and tornado amongst other technologies. Very keen sharer of knowledge, conducts many talks and has organised many user group meetings. > > Dhananjay Nene (Lead) : Occasional participant in bangpypers, consulting architect and part of the programming team for two B2B SaaS services currently in production - both using Pylons. Last major organisation experience was 20 years ago, as a member of the core committee of IIM Ahmedabad Marketing fair, primarily responsible for designing the systems and operations of and responsible for the control room which individually routed more than 10k people based on their marketing demograpics - an organisation effort that took almost an year. Regularly talks at many tech events in Pune and presented at "Functional Programming in Python" at Pycon 2010. > > Harshad Oak : Regularly organises 3 to 4 conferences every year in pune (commercially). Also runs Rightrix, and indicthreads.com. Also started pythonthreads.com, a few years ago, but then concentrated his efforts on indicthreads. Creator of the PythonPune mailing list. > > Navin Kabra : Perhaps best known for his extremely popular punetech.comwhich is a highly respected tech community site, he is also the CTO and co-founder of bharathealth.com and chose django to write his code to. Navin is the quietly popular guy with connections and relationships running both deep and wide into Pune's academicia and corporates . Has been an instrumental participant in a number of events including proto.in pune open coffee club, techweekend pune, and many other blog camps and bar camps in addition to organising user group events. > > Steven Fernandez aka steve aka lonetwin : Again probably quite known to many pythonistas, has organised user group events. Not sure which is his preferred python framework poison. > It is this teams collective belief and confidence that they have sufficient goodwill, respect and networks to rally both volunteers and participation from local students, academicia, and corporates as necessary to pull of an event of the size of Pycon India. In a lighter vein, our diversity is also reflected by our selection of different python web frameworks. > > To quote from Navin's mail to the this mailing list a day or two ago : > > "Pune can definitely host the event. We have enough interested volunteers, a very strong community (the PythonPune mailing list is not very active in spite of 100+ members, but the Pune linux users group, the Pune Open Coffee Club, CSI Pune and PuneTech are all very strong, and have enough pythonistas in them that we can put together a very strong team on the ground. And of course, venues and colleges is absolutely not a problem here.)". It should also be noted that proximity to Mumbai is unlikely to hurt. > If it is pune, I would very much like to play some active role since pune is pretty nearby from mumbai. > Venue > > 6. Symbiosis; Lavale (multiple colleges, including SIT a tech college interested in tech events): > Advantages: Venue - lovely location on a hilltop. Great campus. Brand new audi & classrooms. > Disadvantage: Location - completely out of town (45 minutes from town, 1 hour from airport; 15/20 minutes from nearest good hotels). But beauty of campus might overcome this disadvantage. We can probably get someone to sponsor a couple of bus trips to and from the center of the city. > +1 for this venue if it works out. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kausikram at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 04:46:24 2011 From: kausikram at gmail.com (kausikram krishnasayee) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:16:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] The Final Chennai Bid Message-ID: Here is a detailed explanation of what Chennai has, what Chennai offers, and more importantly where Chennai is lagging behind. The Background ============ A bit of rant here. First and foremost deciding on a venue will depend on deciding the number of people we want to accommodate. the total number of tracks we want to have and the number of days we want to run the event for. Without zeroing on these numbers, we will not be able to zero in on a venue as only some of the venues we shortlisted have 'scalable' infrastructure. This discussion, i tried to initiate atleast three times on this mailing list however we never hit on a number. a concrete number here would have really been appreciable to take further action. The second issue that came into picture is accessibility of the venue. Again an ideal venue would be easy to access from the station, the airport and through busses. so this was also one more criteria that we wanted to look at. By November 2010, i got an in principle O.K from Rajalakshmi Engineering College, Prof. Benedict has been a really supportive person, and there is a huge student community inside that can help. However, i did not go and formalise it then, because of these reasons: 1) i was worried that if our requirements change, may be Rajalakshmi Engineering College might not suffice the infrastructure required. 2) Rajalakshmi is not centrally located, and the community might find it in relatively less accessible. 3) I was also talking to a few other colleges. in case of any of these three happening then a premature commitment would have lead to a MSRIT vs RV situation which i did not want to repeat. Also it was practically impossible to proceed to step (3) because we still haven't concretised numbers, without which we cannot pitch to a college. We could afford to do it with Rajalakshmi because Mr.Benedict is part of the community but if we start formally pitching to a coll then its a one way road and we cannot backtrack our commitments. Colleges down here are very touchy. The Team ======= At various points of time there were atleast 5 - 8 people committing to helping run pycon india. But it failed to remain consistent. With regards to this there are two things that one needs to realize: 1) An active python community DOES NOT transate to an active volunteer base. it takes more then a couple of emails flying around, it requires people to step out of work and get things done. 2) WE are 8 months behind the Event, as of now apart from Venue there is no other activity required to be done on the ground. the team irrespective of the choice of venue (city) WILL EVENTUALLY FORM towards the last two months. I hope the list members appreciate these two facts. What Chennai Offers =============== I had a long talk with Mr. Benedict yesterday and Rajalakshmi is still willing to host the event. he has also gracefully accepted the fact that if venue accessibility was a concern, and IF we get a better venue then we can go with the better venue with Rajalakshmi as a fallback. some members of ChennaiPy have shown their interest in helping organize the event from the ground, please have a look at this thread for details: https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chennaipy/g4SrPNO1sjk/discussion Chennai WILL get a dedicated Volunteer base soon. it requires some time. please do not compare it with the volunteer base that the second edition of pycon india enjoyed, but do so with the first edition. this is a new city, the dynamics are different. But i am confident. Some Final Thoughts =============== There are a few things different here. Even Last time most of the activities including the decision of venue took place much later on. We have just entered February, and getting a college to commit for a venue at the end of Sept is just about impossible. It is appreciable that planning for the event has started much earlier on, but unlike in the US, we are not going to book a hotel for money, but we are trying to find a college to host it Pro Bono. The silence in ChennaiPy, is a bit natural and is not a need for concern. I have been part of a few volunteer driven events and have seen that usually ground activities start only about a month before the event. i am trying to better that record and promise a fully active team atleast 2 months before the event with most of the ground work taken care of. With these thoughts i rest my case for Chennai. and will let the community decide on where to take the next inpycon. 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URL: From ramdaz at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 04:57:20 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:27:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > I have explained my point of view in another message on this thread - I > am not going to repeat myself. > > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:51 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > > wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > I would like to also point out that being obstinately > > repeating > Let's move forward. Either we have Open Bids from Cities/Towns etc the way Shree(of Mahiti) suggested or this boils down to a city war, which doesn't help anyone. Before that, let's have a consensus that the third installment of the conference needs to be BIGGER and BETTER, and that's what we are all striving for. Kenneth is all his earnest has made a pitch for Coimbatore, and we all respect it. He has presented it from his point of view, and many of us have minor or major reservations against holding Pycon in Coimbatore. I believe the points raised by Anand and some of the others are valid. But arguing online is not going to help us. Point is which is the alternative city if not Coimbatore? Chennai has over-ruled itself. While people are suggesting Pune, I have not seen a comment which inspires confidence in organizing in Pune. Suggestions are fine, but we need 2-3 names who inspires confidence in rest of us, that they would be able to deliver a property like Pycon. Now that exists with Coimbatore. We can all be confident under Kenneth's stewardship we may be able to deliver in Coimbatore. Delhi is another place where activities have started, again no one whom we can all trust has come forward and bid This boils down to just Coimbatore and if Coimbatore is not accepted we need to rethink, Bangalore. I know most of us took a call on not doing it in Bangalore again. Hence if the non-cosmo non-hotness factor of Coimbatore outweighs itself, then the choice remains doing it in Bangalore, which if you remove the reservations of not repeating it in Bangalore, is still the best city to hold Pycon. This finally makes it to 2 Choices 1) Hold it in Coimbatore If Yes, Lets all gang up and make it great for Coimbatore OR 2) Go Back to Bangalore Let's make it the best Pycon ever, probably the last to be held in Bangalore for next 2-3 years, unless we have situation like this again, next year. Please vote for these two choices. if there's an alternative, then we need to see a solid proposal from another city. To me, the proposal of Coimbatore is quite good, but well the lack of HOTNESS factor, and the fact that this may not be exactly the most accessible city is against it. And this is a fact I think we have heard all arguments for and against Coimbatore. So its all about voting +1, 0, -1 etc... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 05:04:11 2011 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:34:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 3:47 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> 6. Symbiosis; Lavale (multiple colleges, including SIT a tech college > interested in tech events): > ?? Advantages: Venue - lovely location on a hilltop. Great campus. Brand new > audi & classrooms. > ?? Disadvantage: Location - completely out of town (45 minutes from town, 1 > hour from airport; 15/20 minutes from nearest good hotels). But beauty of > campus might overcome this disadvantage. We can probably get someone to > sponsor a couple of bus trips to and from the center of the city. > +1 venue is good and distance is not that much of a problem.Also, for pune we can join hands with Pune Linux user's group and use there expertise of organizing conferences and events... regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From anandology at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 05:16:37 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:46:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> Message-ID: 2011/2/11 Ramdas S : > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 7:38 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> I have explained my point of view in another message on this thread - I >> am not going to repeat myself. >> >> On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:51 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 6:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim >> > wrote: >> > ? ? ? ? On Thu, Feb 10 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> > >> > >> > ? ? ? ? [...] >> > >> > ? ? ? ? > I would like to also point out that being obstinately >> > ? ? ? ? repeating > > > Let's move forward. Either we have Open Bids from Cities/Towns etc the way > Shree(of Mahiti) suggested or this boils down to a city war, which doesn't > help anyone. Why? I think Shree's suggestion is very well received and people from Pune and Chennai have already sent their proposals. Noufal said that we'll wait till saturday to receive proposals. I think we can discuss the merits of the proposals and finalize one of them. I'm seeing that it going in very good direction and I don't see any city wars there. > Before that, let's have a consensus that the third installment of the > conference needs to be BIGGER and BETTER, and that's what we are all > striving for. > > Kenneth is all his earnest has made a pitch for Coimbatore, and we all > respect it.? He has presented it from his point of view, and many of us have > minor or major reservations against holding Pycon in Coimbatore. I believe > the points raised by Anand and some of the others are valid. But arguing > online is not going to help us. > > Point is which is the alternative city if not Coimbatore? Chennai has > over-ruled itself. > > While people are suggesting Pune, I have not seen a comment which inspires > confidence in organizing in Pune. Suggestions are fine, but we need 2-3 > names who inspires confidence in rest of us, that they would be able to > deliver a property like Pycon. Now that exists with Coimbatore. We can all > be confident under Kenneth's stewardship we may be able to deliver in > Coimbatore. > > Delhi is another place where activities have started, again no one whom we > can all trust has come forward and bid > > This boils down to just Coimbatore and if Coimbatore is not accepted we need > to rethink, Bangalore. > > I know most of us took a call on not doing it in Bangalore again. > > Hence if the non-cosmo non-hotness factor of Coimbatore outweighs itself, > then the choice remains doing it in Bangalore, which if you remove the > reservations of not repeating it in Bangalore, is still the best city to > hold Pycon. > > > This finally makes it to 2 Choices > > 1) Hold it in Coimbatore > > If Yes, > ?? Lets all gang up and make it great for Coimbatore > OR > > 2) Go Back to Bangalore > ???? Let's make it the best Pycon ever, probably the last to be held in > Bangalore for next 2-3 years, unless we have situation like this again, next > year. > > > Please vote for these two choices. if there's an alternative, then we need > to see a solid proposal from another city. To me, the proposal of Coimbatore > is quite good, but well the lack of HOTNESS factor, and the fact that this > may not be exactly the most accessible city is against it. And this is a > fact > > I think we have heard all arguments for and against Coimbatore. So its all > about voting +1, 0, -1 etc... Please wait until saturday. We'll look at the proposal, discuss the merits of each and finalize one. Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 05:28:39 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:58:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > > While people are suggesting Pune, I have not seen a comment which inspires > confidence in organizing in Pune. > I am really unclear about this statement, so would prefer it you could be explicit about your perspective of inspiring confidence and how Pune does not. It would then just make it a lot easier to discuss. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:33:29 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:03:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Ramdas S.'s message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:27:20 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87fwrvqgnq.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Ramdas S wrote: [...] > Point is which is the alternative city if not Coimbatore? Chennai has > over-ruled itself. Not yet. > While people are suggesting Pune, I have not seen a comment which > inspires confidence in organizing in Pune. Suggestions are fine, but > we need 2-3 names who inspires confidence in rest of us, that they > would be able to deliver a property like Pycon. Now that exists with > Coimbatore. We can all be confident under Kenneth's stewardship we may > be able to deliver in Coimbatore. It's not only about the leaders. I put it to the list that Pune has a better tech. culture than Coimbatore. There are more startups and other hacker friendly conferences that take place there. The immediate crowd would be better and so would the mood of the conference. > Delhi is another place where activities have started, again no one > whom we can all trust has come forward and bid True. While we were discussing regional conferences at the APAC PyCon, many people asked me why not Delhi and the main reason I gave was lack of any cogent community that I was aware of. > This boils down to just Coimbatore and if Coimbatore is not accepted > we need to rethink, Bangalore. No. There's Chennai and Pune. I'd prefer BAngalore be out of the question and frankly, I'm quite adamant about it. [...] > 1) Hold it in Coimbatore > > If Yes, > Lets all gang up and make it great for Coimbatore > OR > > 2) Go Back to Bangalore Let's make it the best Pycon ever, probably > the last to be held in Bangalore for next 2-3 years, unless we have > situation like this again, next year. [...] I think you're summarily dismissing Pune and I don't agree with that. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:35:11 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:05:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:58:39 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <878vxnqgkw.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > >> >> While people are suggesting Pune, I have not seen a comment which inspires >> confidence in organizing in Pune. >> > > I am really unclear about this statement, so would prefer it you could be > explicit about your perspective of inspiring confidence and how Pune does > not. It would then just make it a lot easier to discuss. [...] I think your proposal was solid and it inspired plenty of confidence. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:39:39 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:09:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 07:36:27 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:10 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> I will be flat out frank then. > > frankness is appreciated. I will be frank also. I want the conference > to take place. Nothing was happening on the Chennai front. The only > thing I can offer is Coimbatore. I offered it. That's all I can do. Fair enough. If at the end of the day, Coimbatore is where all the energy is, we can't let the nature of the city hold us back. I agree with Anand on the general name of the city though and if we have options which are more "cosmopolitan" (for want of a better term), they'd be the ones I support before Coimbatore. [...] > this is pretty insulting. It implies something that I have not done. I > have every right to make a bid for a city - and every right to point > out the facilities it has. I am sure Pune and Chennai would do the > same. And so does every city in the world that bids for anything. In > fact, it is not only pretty insulting but highly insulting. If you are > not happy with the bid, you can vote against it. Comments of this > nature are highly uncalled for. Yup. Your bid was solid and so were your reasons. Coimbatore in my mind is still a backup but FWIW, I don't think you were being unreasonable with your bid. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:42:08 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:12:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: (Mehul Ved's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 08:32:56 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Mehul Ved wrote: [...] > +1 for this venue if it works out. [...] It should be the other way round. If you and others +1 and back it, it will work out. :) -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:43:35 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:13:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: (Vivek Khurana's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 09:34:11 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87sjvvp1mg.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Vivek Khurana wrote: [...] > +1 venue is good and distance is not that much of a problem.Also, for > pune we can join hands with Pune Linux user's group and use there > expertise of organizing conferences and events... [...] Fair enough. I would recommend that you keep the event "pure" in some sense. There are enough FOSS, General hacker type conferences going around. This should be a *Python* event. That being said, sharing knowledge and getting help from people who are more experienced is a definitely +1. -- From lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 06:48:01 2011 From: lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com (Lakshmi Vyas) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:18:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] The Final Chennai Bid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <950E1F87-1554-461E-AC3C-D171F10C4AD6@gmail.com> Hello All, I am new to this list, chennaipy and the Indian programing community in general. I maintain a few open source python projects here: https://github.com/lakshmivyas. ---- Thanks Kausik for the well detailed case for Chennai. I have no experience in organizing events / conferences. But I can guarantee my love for python and chennai :) I'd totally love to have the event in chennai. I can be counted on for helping out with ground activities, leg work and any website / PR efforts. Thanks Lakshmi On 11-Feb-2011, at 9:16 AM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > Here is a detailed explanation of what Chennai has, what Chennai offers, and more importantly where Chennai is lagging behind. > > The Background > ============ > > A bit of rant here. First and foremost deciding on a venue will depend on deciding the number of people we want to accommodate. the total number of tracks we want to have and the number of days we want to run the event for. Without zeroing on these numbers, we will not be able to zero in on a venue as only some of the venues we shortlisted have 'scalable' infrastructure. This discussion, i tried to initiate atleast three times on this mailing list however we never hit on a number. a concrete number here would have really been appreciable to take further action. > > The second issue that came into picture is accessibility of the venue. Again an ideal venue would be easy to access from the station, the airport and through busses. so this was also one more criteria that we wanted to look at. > > By November 2010, i got an in principle O.K from Rajalakshmi Engineering College, Prof. Benedict has been a really supportive person, and there is a huge student community inside that can help. However, i did not go and formalise it then, because of these reasons: > 1) i was worried that if our requirements change, may be Rajalakshmi Engineering College might not suffice the infrastructure required. > 2) Rajalakshmi is not centrally located, and the community might find it in relatively less accessible. > 3) I was also talking to a few other colleges. > > in case of any of these three happening then a premature commitment would have lead to a MSRIT vs RV situation which i did not want to repeat. Also it was practically impossible to proceed to step (3) because we still haven't concretised numbers, without which we cannot pitch to a college. We could afford to do it with Rajalakshmi because Mr.Benedict is part of the community but if we start formally pitching to a coll then its a one way road and we cannot backtrack our commitments. Colleges down here are very touchy. > > The Team > ======= > At various points of time there were atleast 5 - 8 people committing to helping run pycon india. But it failed to remain consistent. With regards to this there are two things that one needs to realize: > > 1) An active python community DOES NOT transate to an active volunteer base. it takes more then a couple of emails flying around, it requires people to step out of work and get things done. > > 2) WE are 8 months behind the Event, as of now apart from Venue there is no other activity required to be done on the ground. the team irrespective of the choice of venue (city) WILL EVENTUALLY FORM towards the last two months. > > I hope the list members appreciate these two facts. > > What Chennai Offers > =============== > > I had a long talk with Mr. Benedict yesterday and Rajalakshmi is still willing to host the event. he has also gracefully accepted the fact that if venue accessibility was a concern, and IF we get a better venue then we can go with the better venue with Rajalakshmi as a fallback. > > some members of ChennaiPy have shown their interest in helping organize the event from the ground, please have a look at this thread for details: > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chennaipy/g4SrPNO1sjk/discussion > > Chennai WILL get a dedicated Volunteer base soon. it requires some time. please do not compare it with the volunteer base that the second edition of pycon india enjoyed, but do so with the first edition. this is a new city, the dynamics are different. But i am confident. > > Some Final Thoughts > =============== > > There are a few things different here. Even Last time most of the activities including the decision of venue took place much later on. We have just entered February, and getting a college to commit for a venue at the end of Sept is just about impossible. It is appreciable that planning for the event has started much earlier on, but unlike in the US, we are not going to book a hotel for money, but we are trying to find a college to host it Pro Bono. > > The silence in ChennaiPy, is a bit natural and is not a need for concern. I have been part of a few volunteer driven events and have seen that usually ground activities start only about a month before the event. i am trying to better that record and promise a fully active team atleast 2 months before the event with most of the ground work taken care of. > > With these thoughts i rest my case for Chennai. and will let the community decide on where to take the next inpycon. > > Cheers, > kausik > > > > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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But from your statements below, I think both of these are taken care of so I think it's cool. Your final comments about the groundwork are correct as well. Things like the website, sponsors, publicity etc. will have to be "India wide" anyway so we can leave those for now. The nitty gritty of groundwork and the elevated blood pressure of keeping track of all the things going on are the only *real* things you'll have to pick up. On Fri, Feb 11 2011, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > Here is a detailed explanation of what Chennai has, what Chennai offers, and > more importantly where Chennai is lagging behind. [...] -- From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 07:06:18 2011 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:36:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <87sjvvp1mg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87sjvvp1mg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Fair enough. I would recommend that you keep the event "pure" in some > sense. There are enough FOSS, General hacker type conferences going > around. This should be a *Python* event. > > That being said, sharing knowledge and getting help from people who are > more experienced is a definitely +1. PLUG has a history of hosting non-general events too like, Drupal Sprint, Scientific computing through FOSS and more... regards Vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 07:06:28 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:36:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <87sjvvp1mg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87sjvvp1mg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Vivek Khurana wrote: > > > [...] > > > +1 venue is good and distance is not that much of a problem.Also, for > > pune we can join hands with Pune Linux user's group and use there > > expertise of organizing conferences and events... > > [...] > > This should be a *Python* event. > > Absolutely! > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 07:19:45 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:49:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <8762ss2gm8.fsf@gmail.com> <1297390121.1831.305.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297405185.1831.328.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 09:58 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > While people are suggesting Pune, I have not seen a comment which > inspires > > confidence in organizing in Pune. > > > > I am really unclear about this statement, so would prefer it you could > be > explicit about your perspective of inspiring confidence and how Pune > does > not. It would then just make it a lot easier to discuss. dont read too much into this - it was probably posted before your proposal hit the list -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 07:48:35 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:18:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:10 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > >> I will be flat out frank then. > > > > frankness is appreciated. I will be frank also. I want the conference > > to take place. Nothing was happening on the Chennai front. The only > > thing I can offer is Coimbatore. I offered it. That's all I can do. > > Fair enough. If at the end of the day, Coimbatore is where all the > energy is, we can't let the nature of the city hold us back. I agree > with Anand on the general name of the city though and if we have options > which are more "cosmopolitan" (for want of a better term), they'd be the > ones I support before Coimbatore. > I am not convinced yet about that since so far only Kenneth has been vocal about CMB. Can we have a simple show of hands in this list on people who support (not just vocally or virtually, but ready to lend a hand on the ground) , the following cities ? Pune - ? Chennai - ? Coimbatore - ? - ? > > [...] > > > this is pretty insulting. It implies something that I have not done. I > > have every right to make a bid for a city - and every right to point > > out the facilities it has. I am sure Pune and Chennai would do the > > same. And so does every city in the world that bids for anything. In > > fact, it is not only pretty insulting but highly insulting. If you are > > not happy with the bid, you can vote against it. Comments of this > > nature are highly uncalled for. > > Yup. Your bid was solid and so were your reasons. Coimbatore in my mind > is still a backup but FWIW, I don't think you were being unreasonable > with your bid. > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I vote +1. -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 07:52:25 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:22:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297407145.1831.332.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:18 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > Fair enough. If at the end of the day, Coimbatore is where all the > > energy is, we can't let the nature of the city hold us back. I agree > > with Anand on the general name of the city though and if we have > options > > which are more "cosmopolitan" (for want of a better term), they'd be > the > > ones I support before Coimbatore. > > > > I am not convinced yet about that since so far only Kenneth > has been vocal about CMB. and Jaganadh ;-) > > Can we have a simple show of hands in this list on people who > support (not just vocally or virtually, but ready to lend a hand on > the > ground) , the following cities ? > > Pune - ? only virtually except during the conference > Chennai - ? only virtually except during the conference > Coimbatore - ? on ground -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 07:53:10 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:23:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:09 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> > On Thu, 2011-02-10 at 18:10 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> >> I will be flat out frank then. >> > >> > frankness is appreciated. I will be frank also. I want the conference >> > to take place. Nothing was happening on the Chennai front. The only >> > thing I can offer is Coimbatore. I offered it. That's all I can do. >> >> Fair enough. If at the end of the day, Coimbatore is where all the >> energy is, we can't let the nature of the city hold us back. I agree >> with Anand on the general name of the city though and if we have options >> which are more "cosmopolitan" (for want of a better term), they'd be the >> ones I support before Coimbatore. >> > > I am not convinced yet about that since so far only Kenneth > has been vocal about CMB. > > Can we have a simple show of hands in this list on people who > support (not just vocally or virtually, but ready to lend a hand on the > ground) , the following cities ? > > Pune - ? > Chennai - ? > Coimbatore - ? > - ? > > Ok, I am out of sync here. I guess separate threads have started for these, where same thing is happening so ignore this message. -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:01:54 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:31:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > I am not convinced yet about that since so far only Kenneth > has been vocal about CMB. > > Can we have a simple show of hands in this list on people who > support (not just vocally or virtually, but ready to lend a hand on the > ground) , the following cities ? > > Pune - ? > Chennai - ? > Coimbatore - ? > - ? This thread has grown too big. Can we stop discussing here and move the discussion to individual city threads? Kenneth, can you please send a new mail with your proposal about hosting the conference in Coimbatore in the format suggested by Shree. Then we can start asking for +1s for each city. Anand From jaganadhg at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:05:52 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:35:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297407145.1831.332.camel@localhost> References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> <1297407145.1831.332.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > > I am not convinced yet about that since so far only Kenneth > > has been vocal about CMB. > > and Jaganadh ;-) > > > I have a small team say 5 people + some people who can work on command + local contacts of Kenneth ,my team and me is there for Coimbatore -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We shall "plug" in to all these and > specifically > the pythonistas to carry this forward. I am in for the organising in Pune. Kushal -- http://fedoraproject.org http://kushaldas.in From satyaakam at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:23:15 2011 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:53:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87sjvvp1mg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > With complete respect to Plug, there are actually many other bodies in Pune > which > have focused on hosting many events. We shall "plug" in to all these and > specifically > the pythonistas to carry this forward. > i was thinking on similar lines when i said no to Symbiosis , yes do plug into plug you do have folks there too who will be happy to lend a hand. -Satya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.ghose at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:28:30 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:58:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > This is to formally document our interest in hosting Pycon India 2011 in > Pune. Note that this thought was initiated a little over 2 days ago and this > is the progress we have been able to make so far. +1 Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:29:20 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:59:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] The Final Chennai Bid In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1297409360.1831.338.camel@localhost> to be frank, this is too vague. I know there is a tendency in India to delay things to the last minute - national level conference announced on the 1st of the month to be held on the 21st is much too common. For pycon we have been trying to do this in a more professional manner and planning at least a year ahead (which is important for booking foreign delegates). You say the team will be built and people will come forward and venue will be finalised. Suppose it does not happen? It did not happen last year. Do not forget that I am the person *most* 'vocal' in support for Chennai in the past 2 years - so please take this in the spirit in which it is meant. I do not think this proposal will cut it. On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 09:16 +0530, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > Here is a detailed explanation of what Chennai has, what Chennai > offers, and more importantly where Chennai is lagging behind. > > > The Background > ============ > > > A bit of rant here. First and foremost deciding on a venue will depend > on deciding the number of people we want to accommodate. the total > number of tracks we want to have and the number of days we want to run > the event for. Without zeroing on these numbers, we will not be able > to zero in on a venue as only some of the venues we shortlisted have > 'scalable' infrastructure. This discussion, i tried to initiate > atleast three times on this mailing list however we never hit on a > number. a concrete number here would have really been appreciable to > take further action. > > > The second issue that came into picture is accessibility of the venue. > Again an ideal venue would be easy to access from the station, the > airport and through busses. so this was also one more criteria that we > wanted to look at. > > > By November 2010, i got an in principle O.K from Rajalakshmi > Engineering College, Prof. Benedict has been a really supportive > person, and there is a huge student community inside that can help. > However, i did not go and formalise it then, because of these reasons: > 1) i was worried that if our requirements change, may be > Rajalakshmi Engineering College might not suffice the infrastructure > required. > 2) Rajalakshmi is not centrally located, and the community might > find it in relatively less accessible. > 3) I was also talking to a few other colleges. > > > in case of any of these three happening then a > premature commitment would have lead to a MSRIT vs RV situation which > i did not want to repeat. Also it was practically impossible to > proceed to step (3) because we still haven't concretised numbers, > without which we cannot pitch to a college. We could afford to do it > with Rajalakshmi because Mr.Benedict is part of the community but if > we start formally pitching to a coll then its a one way road and we > cannot backtrack our commitments. Colleges down here are very touchy. > > > The Team > ======= > At various points of time there were atleast 5 - 8 people committing > to helping run pycon india. But it failed to remain consistent. With > regards to this there are two things that one needs to realize: > > > 1) An active python community DOES NOT transate to an active volunteer > base. it takes more then a couple of emails flying around, it requires > people to step out of work and get things done. > > > 2) WE are 8 months behind the Event, as of now apart from Venue there > is no other activity required to be done on the ground. the team > irrespective of the choice of venue (city) WILL EVENTUALLY FORM > towards the last two months. > > > I hope the list members appreciate these two facts. > > > What Chennai Offers > =============== > > > I had a long talk with Mr. Benedict yesterday and Rajalakshmi is still > willing to host the event. he has also gracefully accepted the fact > that if venue accessibility was a concern, and IF we get a better > venue then we can go with the better venue with Rajalakshmi as a > fallback. > > > some members of ChennaiPy have shown their interest in helping > organize the event from the ground, please have a look at this thread > for details: > > > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/chennaipy/g4SrPNO1sjk/discussion > > > Chennai WILL get a dedicated Volunteer base soon. it requires some > time. please do not compare it with the volunteer base that the second > edition of pycon india enjoyed, but do so with the first edition. this > is a new city, the dynamics are different. But i am confident. > > > Some Final Thoughts > =============== > > > There are a few things different here. Even Last time most of the > activities including the decision of venue took place much later on. > We have just entered February, and getting a college to commit for a > venue at the end of Sept is just about impossible. It > is appreciable that planning for the event has started much earlier > on, but unlike in the US, we are not going to book a hotel for money, > but we are trying to find a college to host it Pro Bono. > > > The silence in ChennaiPy, is a bit natural and is not a need for > concern. I have been part of a few volunteer driven events and have > seen that usually ground activities start only about a month before > the event. i am trying to better that record and promise a fully > active team atleast 2 months before the event with most of the ground > work taken care of. > > > With these thoughts i rest my case for Chennai. and will let the > community decide on where to take the next inpycon. > > > Cheers, > kausik > > > > > > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | > Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | > Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From b.ghose at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:31:38 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:01:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Pune - ? On ground. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:31:32 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:01:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 11:12 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Mehul Ved wrote: > > > [...] > > > +1 for this venue if it works out. > > [...] > > It should be the other way round. If you and others +1 and back it, it > will work out. :) one clarification I need on the Pune proposal - who is the point man. The guy who says the buck stops with him and takes the blame if it flops? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:35:22 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:05:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 11:12 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Mehul Ved wrote: > > > > > > [...] > > > > > +1 for this venue if it works out. > > > > [...] > > > > It should be the other way round. If you and others +1 and back it, it > > will work out. :) > > one clarification I need on the Pune proposal - who is the point man. > The guy who says the buck stops with him and takes the blame if it > flops? > I am thinking this is Dhananjay, being the senior most person in this list from Pune and as the one who has sent the proposal. Please avoid tongue-in-cheek sarcasm. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The team described in the proposal is the arbiter of all discussions and decisions. As a lead, I shall assume responsibility to carry this forward, but shall always be open to have different people assume leadership if and as and when felt necessary or appropriate. Having said that, all file io to /dev/blame can be redirected to /dev/dhananjay. Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 08:45:48 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:15:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] venue In-Reply-To: <1297407974.1831.333.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:36:14 +0530") References: <1297063533.1831.13.camel@localhost> <8739nzyqgq.fsf@gmail.com> <1297216840.1831.51.camel@localhost> <1297234347.1831.82.camel@localhost> <87ipwtejie.fsf@gmail.com> <1297323547.1831.201.camel@localhost> <1297389987.1831.304.camel@localhost> <874o8bqgdg.fsf@gmail.com> <1297407974.1831.333.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87tygbnheb.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:31 +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> >> Kenneth, can you please send a new mail with your proposal about >> hosting the conference in Coimbatore in the format suggested by >> Shree. > > already sent. I'll put up a Doodle thing to vote on the cities so that we have a structured list. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 09:30:00 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:00:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:11:03 +0530") References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87oc6jnfcn.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > I'm going to word this carefully. I would like this to be a team and > community driven exercise. > > The team described in the proposal is the arbiter of all discussions > and decisions. As a lead, I shall assume responsibility to carry this > forward, but shall always be open to have different people assume > leadership if and as and when felt necessary or appropriate. Having > said that, all file io to /dev/blame can be redirected to > /dev/dhananjay. [...] The "lead" situation comes up when things don't go according to plan and feathers get ruffled or feet start getting dragged. Then the "lead" (you in this case) will probably have to take some decisions in a semi dictatorial fashion, stop the dissent and get things moving. It's not pleasant but it's necessary and someone's got to do it. Egos might be brusied but it's not always to please everyone all the time. Kenneth's statement was worded a little sarcastically but I think it was correct. If there's no one willing a priori to take the blame if things go bad, no one will take initiatives to move things forward. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 09:37:18 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:07:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection Message-ID: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> I've created a Doodle for this http://doodle.com/matm4dhi9t5nv7gv Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. Please publicise the link. This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a structured Wiki. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 09:51:58 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:21:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> (Noufal Ibrahim's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:07:18 +0530") References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I've created a Doodle for this > http://doodle.com/matm4dhi9t5nv7gv > > Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. > > I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here > earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are > still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. > > Please publicise the link. > > This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a > structured Wiki. Needless to say, this is just a data point. -- From anandology at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 10:21:00 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:51:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/2/11 Noufal Ibrahim : > > I've created a Doodle for this > http://doodle.com/matm4dhi9t5nv7gv > > Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. > > I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here > earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are > still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. > > Please publicise the link. > > This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a > structured Wiki. I think there is a problem with this poll. If you ask me which cities I prefer to have the conf, I'll probably pick Bangalore, Pune and Chennai. But you ask me to pick the first choice and second choice, then I'll pick Pune and Chennai in that order. So just going by the counts is not really capturing what we need. Can we revise it or it is too late now? I can create a wufoo form if you want. Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 10:21:40 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:51:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <87oc6jnfcn.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> <87oc6jnfcn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > [...] > > > I'm going to word this carefully. I would like this to be a team and > > community driven exercise. > > > > The team described in the proposal is the arbiter of all discussions > > and decisions. As a lead, I shall assume responsibility to carry this > > forward, but shall always be open to have different people assume > > leadership if and as and when felt necessary or appropriate. Having > > said that, all file io to /dev/blame can be redirected to > > /dev/dhananjay. > > [...] > > The "lead" situation comes up when things don't go according to plan and > feathers get ruffled or feet start getting dragged. Then the "lead" (you > in this case) will probably have to take some decisions in a semi > dictatorial fashion, stop the dissent and get things moving. It's not > pleasant but it's necessary and someone's got to do it. Egos might be > brusied but it's not always to please everyone all the time. > > Kenneth's statement was worded a little sarcastically but I think it was > correct. If there's no one willing a priori to take the blame if things > go bad, no one will take initiatives to move things forward. > > Noufal, No offense taken whatsoever by either Kenneth's remarks or your elucidation. I have been in corporate senior management for long and have at times found myself managing team sizes more than 200. (Not something I particularly enjoy). So I do know exactly what you mean. Which is why I was careful with the words, to make sure it is amply obvious that this is a team and a community exercise. I am also confident that based on earlier interactions with everyone else that this team will gear themselves up towards that. Rest assured, both Kenneth's and your points have not only have been taken in the right spirit, but have been heard loud and clear and are not lost. 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The serious contenders are >> still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. >> >> Please publicise the link. >> >> This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a >> structured Wiki. > > I think there is a problem with this poll. > > If you ask me which cities I prefer to have the conf, I'll probably > pick Bangalore, Pune and Chennai. But you ask me to pick the first > choice and second choice, then I'll pick Pune and Chennai in that > order. > > So just going by the counts is not really capturing what we need. I think it's okay. This is just indicative. [...] -- From vnbang2003 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 11 10:24:42 2011 From: vnbang2003 at yahoo.com (vijay) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:54:42 +0530 (IST) Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <227863.63667.qm@web95313.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Hi,?? ?It allow multiple vote from one person ?and no validation as ?ZZZ can't be name.?? ?Please vote once and valid names also.?? ?Do we have any way to validate this in doodle. With Regards Vijay --- On Fri, 11/2/11, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: From: Noufal Ibrahim Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection To: "Mailing list for the PyCon India conference" Date: Friday, 11 February, 2011, 2:21 PM On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I've created a Doodle for this > http://doodle.com/matm4dhi9t5nv7gv > > Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. > > I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here > earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are > still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. > > Please publicise the link. > > This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a > structured Wiki. Needless to say, this is just a data point. -- _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Fri Feb 11 10:32:21 2011 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:02:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11 February 2011 14:07, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. > > I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here > earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are > still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. I think we should put only cities with Bids. Those who may get the link but are not part of mailing list will not realize that Blr and Delhi are just name sake entries. - sree > > Please publicise the link. > > This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a > structured Wiki. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. "OpenSpace", #583, Vyalikaval HBCS Layout, Nagawara, Veerannapalya, Bangalore, India - 560043 Phone:? +91 80 4343 7373 Mobile:? +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 10:33:19 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:03:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <227863.63667.qm@web95313.mail.in2.yahoo.com> (vijay's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 14:54:42 +0530 (IST)") References: <227863.63667.qm@web95313.mail.in2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <87y65mncf4.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, vijay wrote: > Hi,?? ?It allow multiple vote from one person ?and no validation as > ?ZZZ can't be name.?? ?Please vote once and valid names also.?? ?Do we > have any way to validate this in doodle. [...] We can sanitise the trolls and spambots later. If there someone dumb enough to vote as "me" (which there is), I don't think we need to lay down rules that say that we'll delete their votes. -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 10:38:05 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:08:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: (Sreekanth S. Rameshaiah's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:02:21 +0530") References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87tyganc76.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > On 11 February 2011 14:07, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. >> >> I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here >> earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are >> still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. > > I think we should put only cities with Bids. Those who may get the > link but are not part of mailing list will not realize that Blr and > Delhi are just name sake entries. [...] My mistake. I dont think there's any way to edit the thing now (because I created it without logging in). -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 10:47:57 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:17:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <87tyganc76.fsf@gmail.com> (Noufal Ibrahim's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 15:08:05 +0530") References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyganc76.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87k4h6nbqq.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > >> On 11 February 2011 14:07, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >>> Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. >>> >>> I've included Delhi and Bangalore since someone mentioned it here >>> earlier (although we don't have any bids). The serious contenders are >>> still Pune, Coimbatore and Chennai. >> >> I think we should put only cities with Bids. Those who may get the >> link but are not part of mailing list will not realize that Blr and >> Delhi are just name sake entries. > > [...] > > My mistake. I dont think there's any way to edit the thing now (because > I created it without logging in). I logged in and it identified me as the creator. I've removed Bangalore and Delhi but there are a few "empty" votes now (people who voted only for Bangalore or Delhi). We can ignore those. -- From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:30:05 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:00:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297420205.1831.343.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:05 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > one clarification I need on the Pune proposal - who is the point > man. > > The guy who says the buck stops with him and takes the blame if it > > flops? > > > > I am thinking this is Dhananjay, being the senior most person in > this list from Pune and as the one who has sent the proposal. > > Please avoid tongue-in-cheek sarcasm. have I offended you in some way? you seem to be reading all sorts of things in my mails, which are not there. Noufal took this role for the last two pycons - it implies: 1. the buck stops with him, so he gets final say in any matters in dispute. 2. he is willing to take this responsibility. (in Chennai lug we say - willing to take the blame and the fame). if anyone felt that I am being sarcastic or tongue in cheek in this matter please accept my apologies - it was not my intention. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:30:52 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:00:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297420252.1831.344.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:11 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > The team described in the proposal is the arbiter of all discussions > and > decisions. As a lead, > I shall assume responsibility to carry this forward, but shall always > be > open to have different > people assume leadership if and as and when felt necessary or > appropriate. > Having said that, > all file io to /dev/blame can be redirected to /dev/dhananjay. good enough -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:32:23 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:02:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <87oc6jnfcn.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> <87oc6jnfcn.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297420343.1831.345.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 14:00 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Kenneth's statement was worded a little sarcastically as already mentioned - sarcasm not intended. I was just emphasising the seriousness of the commitment - and anyway since it has been made, let us drop this. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:36:37 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:06:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 14:21 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > This is better than SurveyMonkey and to me looks simply like a > > structured Wiki. > > > Needless to say, this is just a data point. > > way better than survey monkey anyway. But also liable to be 'packed'. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From b.ghose at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:43:19 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:13:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > way better than survey monkey anyway. But also liable to be 'packed'. Woah! It seems there are many supporters of Coimbatore outside this list, their numbers are soaring :) Is their any way to check the IP addresses of the people who are responding? Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:45:05 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:15:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297421105.1831.350.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:13 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > > way better than survey monkey anyway. But also liable to be > 'packed'. > > Woah! It seems there are many supporters of Coimbatore outside this > list, their numbers are soaring :) > > Is their any way to check the IP addresses of the people who are > responding? from what I can make out it is students from Coimbatore and Kerala. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From jaganadhg at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:49:12 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:19:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <1297421105.1831.350.camel@localhost> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> <1297421105.1831.350.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:13 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > > > way better than survey monkey anyway. But also liable to be > > 'packed'. > > > > Woah! It seems there are many supporters of Coimbatore outside this > > list, their numbers are soaring :) > > > > Is their any way to check the IP addresses of the people who are > > responding? > > from what I can make out it is students from Coimbatore and Kerala. > > Many of my team members in my company also coasted their vote for the conference -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 11:54:41 2011 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:24:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 2:07 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I've created a Doodle for this > http://doodle.com/matm4dhi9t5nv7gv > > Please go ahead, put your name and click on one or more venues. If I may ask - will the result of this survey be a factor in choosing a host city ? Those who vote, may not always be the ones who will wrestle with logistics to ensure a good event. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:20:34 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:50:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: <1297420205.1831.343.camel@localhost> References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> <1297420205.1831.343.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:00 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 13:05 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > one clarification I need on the Pune proposal - who is the point > > man. > > > The guy who says the buck stops with him and takes the blame if it > > > flops? > > > > > > > I am thinking this is Dhananjay, being the senior most person in > > this list from Pune and as the one who has sent the proposal. > > > > Please avoid tongue-in-cheek sarcasm. > > have I offended you in some way? you seem to be reading all sorts of > things in my mails, which are not there. Noufal took this role for the > last two pycons - it implies: > > 1. the buck stops with him, so he gets final say in any matters in > dispute. > > 2. he is willing to take this responsibility. (in Chennai lug we say - > willing to take the blame and the fame). > I have an entirely different perspective of this. Any community conference like Pycon India is never "run" by a single person, though it is very useful to have a single point of contact for resolving issues, answering questions and in general play the co-ordinating role. However, the actual things on ground are run by a group of volunteers, who equally share the blame or fame if things go wrong and right respectively. It is never a single person. Instead of one person, the right thing to do will be to have a core group of 2-3 people, who can co-ordinate matters among themselves and none is above the other. Perhaps we have done this BD (Benevolent Dictator) stuff in Pycon 2009 because of the way it was organized, but it was much less relevant in Pycon 2010, because responsibilities were more widespread. It would be good to get rid of this model in Pycon 2011 and make it truly group organized where no single person gets fame or shame as to what finally happens. > if anyone felt that I am being sarcastic or tongue in cheek in this > matter please accept my apologies - it was not my intention. > Accepted. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nothing more. -- From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:23:11 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:53:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > > way better than survey monkey anyway. But also liable to be 'packed'. > > Woah! It seems there are many supporters of Coimbatore outside this > list, their numbers are soaring :) > I have a very big doubt Kenneth has written a Python script to game the poll. > > Is their any way to check the IP addresses of the people who are > responding? > > Regards, > BG > > -- > Baishampayan Ghose > b.ghose at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I will veto vehemently if someone goes ahead and takes a decision based on this poll. It is evidently being gamed. > > >> >> Is their any way to check the IP addresses of the people who are >> responding? >> >> Regards, >> BG >> >> -- >> Baishampayan Ghose >> b.ghose at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This proves the Kerala factor >> Is their any way to check the IP addresses of the people who are >> responding? >> >> Regards, >> BG >> >> -- >> Baishampayan Ghose >> b.ghose at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:32:36 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:02:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297423956.1831.367.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:53 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 4:13 PM, Baishampayan Ghose > wrote: > > > > way better than survey monkey anyway. But also liable to be > 'packed'. > > > > Woah! It seems there are many supporters of Coimbatore outside this > > list, their numbers are soaring :) > > > > I have a very big doubt Kenneth has written a Python script to game > the poll. I am on record as considering such polls totally irrelevant and a total waste of time. I usually do not vote in such polls, but in this case I cast precisely one vote because at least this poll allows one to put a name. You may see my vote online. I *did* mention that we have conducted 20-30 python workshops in the region recently - thus we have a lot of python aware students in the region. It looks like they are sitting in their labs and voting. If news hits the class I taught last week in NIT Calicut, another 100 votes will come in. The whole exercise is meaningless anyway. You may check the list archives where I have expressed my opinion of the previous polls. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:34:16 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:04:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297424056.1831.368.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:57 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > I have a very big doubt Kenneth has written a Python script to game > > the poll. > > > > > Ok, that was meant to be sarcastic, but no offence intended :) it is a compliment - I do not think that you had such a high opinion of my scripting abilities > > Hey, I never saw "Shamshad Eqbal", "Abdin", "Reji", "Aakash" sounds like a typical roll call in a Kerala college. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:37:43 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:07:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: <1297424056.1831.368.camel@localhost> References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> <1297424056.1831.368.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:57 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > I have a very big doubt Kenneth has written a Python script to game > > > the poll. > > > > > > > > > Ok, that was meant to be sarcastic, but no offence intended :) > > it is a compliment - I do not think that you had such a high opinion of > my scripting abilities > > > > Hey, I never saw "Shamshad Eqbal", "Abdin", "Reji", "Aakash" > > sounds like a typical roll call in a Kerala college. > Ah great! So when does this sham poll close ? Just because a bunch of Kerala students are watching this list and voting actively the conference is going to be closer to Kerala ? Cool, exactly how decisions like this should be made... > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:41:43 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:11:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision Message-ID: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> Okay. KG's scepticism has proven itself. The "poll" looks gamed. I think most of these things (which depend on good will rather than rules) don't really work out so well with the "unwashed masses". There seems to be sufficient enthusiasm from Chennai and Pune to take them seriously and I think they have more of a tech. culture than does Coimbatore. Assuming that both Chennai and Pune are viable locations, is there anyone here who's +1 for Coimbatore? Please take a moment to think before replying. It's quite hard in general (for me atleast) to divorce personal interest and convenience in decisions like this but if the conference is to sustain and go anywhere, we need to to this. The venue is an important thing as far as sponsors, the crowd and the general image of the conference goes. Given these points, I'm -1 as far as Coimbatore is concerned especially now that we have Chennai and Pune. Between Chennai and Pune, I'm mixed. Here's my summary. We can ignore smaller things like food, language, weather etc. for a 2 or 3 day event I think as long as the city is somewhat cosmopolitan. Chennai: -------- Pros: Chennai *did* come up with the inital bid. I know Kausik personally and he was instrumental in getting the 2009 event happening. Rajalakshmi seems to be open to having the event there and it looks somewhat set. As a minor point, the sponsorship brochure which I mailed mentioned that the event is in Chennai (we can always correct this but I'm mentioning it). There's a decent startup culture from what I can tell and the ChennaiPy group is quite active. Cons: Chennai sort of "fell from grace" after the initial emails. A resurrection was necessary and this sort of cast a cloud on the bid in general. Some of the initial proponents have moved away from the city. Pune: ----- Pros: Pune as far as I know is an active hacker friendly place. I see a lot of events being conducted there (the PHPCamp, Devcamp etc.). There's people on this list who are from there who obviously have genuine interest. Dhananjay sent a list of possible venues and people who can help so it looks set as well. Cons: I can't see any. The only thing is that the whole possibility of conducting the event in Pune came up only this week and so it hasn't sunk in yet and I'm a litle overcautios since it's something "new". I can't find any concrete data points to base my decision on but my gut feel is that we should go for Pune. Comments? -- From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:42:00 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:12:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> <1297424056.1831.368.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:07 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 16:57 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: >> > > I have a very big doubt Kenneth has written a Python script to game >> > > the poll. >> > > >> > >> > >> > Ok, that was meant to be sarcastic, but no offence intended :) >> >> it is a compliment - I do not think that you had such a high opinion of >> my scripting abilities >> > >> > Hey, I never saw "Shamshad Eqbal", "Abdin", "Reji", "Aakash" >> >> sounds like a typical roll call in a Kerala college. >> > > Ah great! So when does this sham poll close ? Just because > a bunch of Kerala students are watching this list and voting > actively the conference is going to be closer to Kerala ? > > Cool, exactly how decisions like this should be made... > Didn't know "Aggassi" and "Federrer" are interested in Pycon India. I had my share of Friday post-lunch laughter. Noufal, please delete this poll before this becomes more and more hilarious. > > > >> -- >> >> regards >> Kenneth Gonsalves >> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This proves the Kerala factor > > now it is being gamed - I see a vote in my name that I have not made and see Noufal and Anand 'voting' for Coimbatore, Dhananjay for Coimbatore and Jaganadh for Pune -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From steve at lonetwin.net Fri Feb 11 12:51:09 2011 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:21:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Can we *fscking* grow up ? Message-ID: <4D5522AD.80106@lonetwin.net> Ok, this is ridiculous. I see a `Dhananjay Nene` voting for all /except/ Pune. WTF ?? If anyone is jobless enough to game polls rather than actually contribute towards having a successful conf, I would like to *see* their code and then educate them just /why/ a good conference might do them a world of good. It is disgusting to even imagine that at least one (or possibly more) people here do not have the maturity to understand that this list and the discussions here are *larger* than any individual member or city or group. The primary objective here is to have an awesome conf. that we can all benefit from. IMHO, these fscking script-kiddies who think it is /cool/ to break a easily breakable system would get lost going down a flight of stairs if they are tasked to do so. To these idiots: Please go amuse yourselves in other ways (I am sure you have enough practice) and leave the real work to those of us who are serious. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From vid at svaksha.com Fri Feb 11 12:57:12 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 11:57:12 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> <1297424056.1831.368.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:42, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > Didn't know "Aggassi" and "Federrer" are interested in Pycon India. you missed 'Goodger' ! -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From b.ghose at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:00:48 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:30:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Can we *fscking* grow up ? In-Reply-To: <4D5522AD.80106@lonetwin.net> References: <4D5522AD.80106@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: > IMHO, these fscking script-kiddies who think it is /cool/ to break a easily > breakable system would get lost going down a flight of stairs if they are > tasked to do so. Going by the lack of any pattern (and a rather interesting choice of names) in the votes, it seems those were cast manually and not through some script. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:05:41 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:35:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Can we *fscking* grow up ? In-Reply-To: References: <4D5522AD.80106@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > > IMHO, these fscking script-kiddies who think it is /cool/ to break a > easily > > breakable system would get lost going down a flight of stairs if they are > > tasked to do so. > > Going by the lack of any pattern (and a rather interesting choice of > names) in the votes, it seems those were cast manually and not through > some script. > Since someone raised the topic of blame in another thread, let us blame it on "that guy" who decided to use Doodle for something like this. He has totally screwed this up. Take this comment lightly, ok ? I am just having some fun at others expense after a rather stressful day at office :) > > Regards, > BG > > -- > Baishampayan Ghose > b.ghose at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:09:42 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:39:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Can we *fscking* grow up ? In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:35:41 +0530") References: <4D5522AD.80106@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: <87aai2lqm1.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > Take this comment lightly, ok ? I am just having some fun at others > expense after a rather stressful day at office :) [...] :) For a closed group of people who are interested in arriving at a consensus rather than wasting time, I think it's a nice system and more efficient than a wiki or a mail thread with votes. -- From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:11:11 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:41:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Doodle for venue selection In-Reply-To: References: <87d3mznf0h.fsf@gmail.com> <878vxnnec1.fsf@gmail.com> <1297420597.1831.346.camel@localhost> <1297424056.1831.368.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297426272.1831.387.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 11:57 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 11:42, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > Didn't know "Aggassi" and "Federrer" are interested in Pycon India. > > you missed 'Goodger' ! he at least is interested - I would not be surprised if it was a genuine vote -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From anandology at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:56:46 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:26:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: 2011/2/11 Noufal Ibrahim : > > Okay. KG's scepticism has proven itself. The "poll" looks gamed. I think > most of these things (which depend on good will rather than rules) don't > really work out so well with the "unwashed masses". > > There seems to be sufficient enthusiasm from Chennai and Pune to take > them seriously and I think they have more of a tech. culture than does > Coimbatore. > > Assuming that both Chennai and Pune are viable locations, is there > anyone here who's +1 for Coimbatore? Please take a moment to think > before replying. It's quite hard in general (for me atleast) to divorce > personal interest and convenience in decisions like this but if the > conference is to sustain and go anywhere, we need to to this. > The venue is an important thing as far as sponsors, the crowd and the > general image of the conference goes. Given these points, I'm -1 as far > as Coimbatore is concerned especially now that we have Chennai and Pune. > > Between Chennai and Pune, I'm mixed. Here's my summary. We can ignore > smaller things like food, language, weather etc. for a 2 or 3 day event > I think as long as the city is somewhat cosmopolitan. > > Chennai: > -------- > Pros: > ? ? ? ?Chennai *did* come up with the inital bid. I know Kausik > personally and he was instrumental in getting the 2009 event > happening. Rajalakshmi seems to be open to having the event there and it > looks somewhat set. As a minor point, the sponsorship brochure which I > mailed mentioned that the event is in Chennai (we can always correct > this but I'm mentioning it). There's a decent startup culture from what > I can tell and the ChennaiPy group is quite active. > > Cons: > ? ? ? ?Chennai sort of "fell from grace" after the initial emails. A > resurrection was necessary and this sort of cast a cloud on the bid in > general. Some of the initial proponents have moved away from the > city. > > > Pune: > ----- > Pros: > ? ? ? ?Pune as far as I know is an active hacker friendly place. I see > a lot of events being conducted there (the PHPCamp, Devcamp > etc.). There's people on this list who are from there who obviously have > genuine interest. Dhananjay sent a list of possible venues and people > who can help so it looks set as well. > > Cons: > ? ? ? ?I can't see any. The only thing is that the whole possibility of > conducting the event in Pune came up only this week and so it hasn't > sunk in yet and I'm a litle overcautios since it's something "new". > > I can't find any concrete data points to base my decision on but my gut > feel is that we should go for Pune. > > Comments? +1 for Pune. I have nothing against Chennai, but I don't see anybody other than Kausik to manage the show there. It looks like there are enough people to roll the show in Pune and the enthusiasm of the group seems to be high. Anand From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:08:08 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:38:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:11 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > I can't find any concrete data points to base my decision on but my > gut > feel is that we should go for Pune. I would tend to agree to this - I had a conversation offlist with Dhananjay and was impressed by his outlook. The two problems I see are 1. the team: has it worked together in the past and done good? I cannot answer that. I *do* know that Steve initially said that 'we are not quite there yet'. But in any new place with a new team, this problem is bound to be there. 2. venue - I find in bigger cities (I am mainly talking of metros - but Pune apparently approaches that) colleges are very hoity toity about cooperating. There again the Pune team needs to enlighten us on this. As for Coimbatore, the one con I agree to is that there are less tech savvy people. As far as the team is concerned, we have been working together for several years (I include in the team the staff and management of the chosen college) and we work together well and have conducted many events. As for Chennai, Kausik and Benedict are there but even people like Arulalan and Keerthi have left. Student support is no doubt there - but then students have so many constraints, exams, holidays, assignments, attendance - so they cannot be part of a core team. So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result of that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a good newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:23:15 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:53:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:38:08 +0530") References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8762sqlpzg.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [...] > 2. venue - I find in bigger cities (I am mainly talking of metros - > but Pune apparently approaches that) colleges are very hoity toity > about cooperating. There again the Pune team needs to enlighten us on > this. [...] You're in the field regarding this so you probably know better. However, we didn't have much trouble with this in Bangalore and this place qualifies as a "big city". -- From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:24:04 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:54:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:38:08 +0530") References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: [...] > So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. > Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result of > that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a good > newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) Maybe we should add this business of conducting newbie/envangelical events to the IPSS charter and try a few out. Your point is very valid. -- From steve at lonetwin.net Fri Feb 11 13:34:02 2011 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:04:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4D552CBA.7090803@lonetwin.net> Hi, On 02/11/2011 05:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > [...snip...] > 1. the team: has it worked together in the past and done good? I cannot > answer that. I *do* know that Steve initially said that 'we are not > quite there yet'. But in any new place with a new team, this problem is > bound to be there. > Just want to clarify this bit. By 'we', I meant /only/ the pythonpune mailing list (which is fairly inactive - it is a sub-set of the bangpypers where all the tech. discussions happen). Since I am not a moderator, I didn't know that we had so many members on the list. Added to that, the fact that we don't meet as often as the bangpypers or even the MumPy group, I made an incorrect assumption of whether we were ^there yet^. However, ever since the idea was formally announced my perception has changed, but don't take my word for it, see for yourself: http://groups.google.com/group/pythonpune/browse_thread/thread/600fbb0a6e582f8b For the other point (about hoity-toity colleges), methinks Dhananjay, Navin or Harshad would be in a better position to answer. cheers, - steve PS: I apologize for the rant in the other thread -- I was just venting. I should learn to recite upto 15 digits of Pi before hitting send. -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:35:25 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:05:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <8762sqlpzg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <8762sqlpzg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297427725.1831.395.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:53 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > 2. venue - I find in bigger cities (I am mainly talking of metros - > > but Pune apparently approaches that) colleges are very hoity toity > > about cooperating. There again the Pune team needs to enlighten us > on > > this. > > [...] > > You're in the field regarding this so you probably know better. > However, > we didn't have much trouble with this in Bangalore and this place > qualifies as a "big city". by hoity toity I mean they generally consider that they are doing us a favour by giving the facilities and at the most supply a token staff member to act as liason. In smaller places, everyone from the correspondent downwards are there at the entrance to greet delegates and participate in the inaugural and valedictory functions. Students are given leave to attend, welcome booths set up at airport and railway station, college vehicles arranged for transport, college office facilities made available for coordination, labs specially set up as per requirements ... mess facilities given for food, guest houses and vacant rooms make available in hostels, hotel bookings done (and some times they even get a grant from UGC or DIT for the conference). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From sree at mahiti.org Fri Feb 11 13:36:10 2011 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:06:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 11 February 2011 17:54, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > [...] > >> So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. >> Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result of >> that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a good >> newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) > I suggest holding one day intermediate user level conference in the region. I will support any local person who is willing to take this on. - sree From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:35:57 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:05:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297427757.1831.396.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:54 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. > > Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result of > > that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a > good > > newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) > > Maybe we should add this business of conducting newbie/envangelical > events to the IPSS charter and try a few out. Your point is very > valid. it is there. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 12:49:31 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:19:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Pune for pycon 2011 In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 16:50:34 +0530") References: <87wrl7p1ov.fsf@gmail.com> <1297409492.1831.340.camel@localhost> <1297420205.1831.343.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87lj1mlrjo.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > It would be good to get rid of this model in Pycon 2011 and make it > truly group organized where no single person gets fame or shame as to > what finally happens. [...] I don't think that'll work. It can run that way *most* of the time but sometimes, when push comes to shove, everyone must have agreed upon a single person beforehand to put his foot down and keep things moving. It's necessary. As for fame/shame, it's not a matter of credit or censure. It's an operational decision. Either you have a completely distributed thing where there's nothing really driving the thing except good will and interest (which might not always be sustainable) or you have a willing group led by a person and a bunch of lieutenants (organically and informally selected) to keep the show going. I think the is more efficient, practial and reliable than the former. -- From vid at svaksha.com Fri Feb 11 13:46:29 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 12:46:29 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! Message-ID: Hello Folks, As someone who was upbeat about INpycon, its disappointing to see it reduced to list wars over host cities and polls being gamed. To preserve the open decision making process and avoid a repeat of this weeks confusion and rancour on the list, in future (2012 onwards), could we enforce a 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities, similar to pycon at usa? Granted, the Chennai bid for 2011 fell off the radar, but this mail is not meant to redux past threads on the list. Moving ahead, from, http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConPlanning/BidRequirements, I've borrowed and edited the bid questionnaire to suit IN.pycon --Feel free to add any requirements you wish to see there (including any errors) so that this can be posted on the wiki and in future ALL cities bidding would be asked to create a wiki-page along the following: Bid Requirements: * Tell us, briefly, what's good and what's great about the city/region/state that would make it a good place to host PyCon. Tell us the pros and cons about the local area: o Are major venues (500+ person capacity) plentiful or at least available? o Are they clustered or located in any particular area(s)? o Transportation resources: + How close is the nearest major airport to the heart of the city or region? + What sort of transportation options are available? Bus, taxi, train, auto-rickshaw, metro-rail, etc. How much does a trip on each cost? + How close are these resources to the large venues you identified above? o What other major (500+ attendee) events has your area hosted recently? + Any tech-related events? o How's the weather? Remember, the target is for IN.PyCon to be held in September between Indian festivals and college exams. o What (besides PyCon) would be a big attraction for someone visiting the area? * Tell us about your group: o Who are you? o What's your connection to Python and the larger Python Community? o How many volunteers can you expect to provide for PyCon? Remember, this is planning for ONE year in advance. o Looking at the PyCon staff roles list, are there any local people who would be committed to filling a particular role? o Are there any key players who bring experience or skills that you feel are particularly valuable to PyCon? + Have any of you organized any large events similar to PyCon? If so, tell us about it! * Tell us about the local Python community: o Users group(s) for Python? Django? Zope? Plone? Any local university Python groups? o Local companies doing exciting things with Python? + Would they be interested in sponsoring PyCon? * Tell us about the local tech community: o Who are the big IT and Tech related companies in the area? + Do they use Python? * Beyond what's been covered above, is there anything else you feel is important for us to keep in mind as we consider your bid to host PyCon? On *-organizers list, Doug had explained in detail what happens *after* the cities bid but since its a private list I cannot post his message here, but i've requested he put it up on the wiki as it would be a useful pointer on the planning and organisation requirements behind the scenes *after* a city has been selected. HTH, -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:47:02 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:17:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: (Sreekanth S. Rameshaiah's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:06:10 +0530") References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87sjvukabd.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > On 11 February 2011 17:54, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >>> So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. >>> Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result of >>> that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a good >>> newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) >> > > I suggest holding one day intermediate user level conference in the > region. I will support any local person who is willing to take this > on. [...] Let's move this discussion to the IPSS list and beat it out there. We'll keep this thread focussed on selecting the venue for PyCon India 2011 -- From ramdaz at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 13:59:07 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:29:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87sjvukabd.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvukabd.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > > On 11 February 2011 17:54, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> > >> > >> [...] > >> > >>> So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. > >>> Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result of > >>> that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a good > >>> newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) > >> > > > > I suggest holding one day intermediate user level conference in the > > region. I will support any local person who is willing to take this > > on. > > [...] > > Let's move this discussion to the IPSS list and beat it out there. > > We'll keep this thread focussed on selecting the venue for PyCon India 2011 > +1 for all three cities. My first choice is Chennai. I have nothing against Coimbatore nor Pune. Being a Bangalorean, Comibatore is drivable distance, and Pune is'nt. > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 14:11:26 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:41:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:38 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 17:11 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I can't find any concrete data points to base my decision on but my > > gut > > feel is that we should go for Pune. > > I would tend to agree to this - I had a conversation offlist with > Dhananjay and was impressed by his outlook. The two problems I see are > > 1. the team: has it worked together in the past and done good? I cannot > answer that. I *do* know that Steve initially said that 'we are not > quite there yet'. But in any new place with a new team, this problem is > bound to be there. > > In loose, disconnected fashions yes. So some of us have worked on techweekend, some have supported Harshad for his conferences, and some in the context of python pune have interacted at times and some for many other *camps. I and Navin have interacted only too often (and that might be true between Navin and a few others). In disparate sets we have worked together and done good. But this specific composition, for a specific large goal such as Pycon India. No. I think what I can affirm is that we all have helped contributed to building the pune tech ecosystem in a variety of ways - in a manner we could contribute the best. For those who may not be aware of specifics of Pune ecosystem, Navin's reputation in this matter is that of a giant. I am ill informed about other ecosystems, but to the extent I am aware, Navin's contribution to ecosystem reputation of any techie is unparalleled. Harshad through his regular conference sessions is well known and respected, and not just in India, and BG and Steve I really wouldn't need to add more introduction to for the Python communities. I think there is a will. There is a commitment. And we will find a way to get our steps marching to a common rhythm. Thats no guarantee, but I believe the team composition has a lot of right elements in adequate diversity to invest some faith into. > 2. venue - I find in bigger cities (I am mainly talking of metros - but > Pune apparently approaches that) colleges are very hoity toity about > cooperating. There again the Pune team needs to enlighten us on this. > > I have requested Navin to respond - he really has much better experiences and insights than what I could hope to contribute as a response. 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Being a Bangalorean, Comibatore > is drivable distance, and Pune is'nt. > As Noufal suggested earlier, I think at least in this thread we should move beyond individual conveniences and into what makes sense for PyCon. -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hiddenharmony at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 14:20:24 2011 From: hiddenharmony at gmail.com (Vivek Khurana) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 18:50:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Between Chennai and Pune, I'm mixed. Here's my summary. We can ignore > smaller things like food, language, weather etc. for a 2 or 3 day event > I think as long as the city is somewhat cosmopolitan. Do a distributed conf in both cities on same day :) regards vivek -- The hidden harmony is better than the obvious!! From vid at svaksha.com Fri Feb 11 14:39:06 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 13:39:06 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 13:20, Vivek Khurana wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> Between Chennai and Pune, I'm mixed. Here's my summary. We can ignore >> smaller things like food, language, weather etc. for a 2 or 3 day event >> I think as long as the city is somewhat cosmopolitan. > > ?Do a distributed conf in both cities on same day :) That's a first! Considering the smiley, I'm assuming its in a lighter vein, otherwise, although it sounds good on paper (err...on list) is it practically possible? Where would the funds come from --and would sponsors be willing to sponsor a distributed conf across two cities? If we (IPSS) did find sponsors how would the money be spent on scaling logistics to duplicate a conf across cities on the same day? If IN.pycon plans to invite foreign speakers, who decides which city they would speak at? -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 11 16:29:06 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 20:59:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> (Noufal Ibrahim's message of "Fri, 11 Feb 2011 17:11:43 +0530") References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> So, are we generally for Pune? Any serious objections? Like I said earlier, personal issues like "I can't travel to Pune" have to be left aside and this question must be judged on whether the city is better for the conference or not. -- From navin at smriti.com Sat Feb 12 05:44:11 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 10:14:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:41 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > 2. venue - I find in bigger cities (I am mainly talking of metros - but >> Pune apparently approaches that) colleges are very hoity toity about >> cooperating. There again the Pune team needs to enlighten us on this. >> >> I have requested Navin to respond - he really has much better experiences > and insights than what I could hope to contribute as a response. > Basically, we have both kinds of colleges in Pune. Pune has a *very* large number of colleges and in the suggested venues, we have chosen only those where we felt we have enough connections at the student/faculty/management level to be able to get good support (except for a couple of exceptions mentioned below). So, specifically: 1. SICSR will give a very high level of support at all levels. 2. In case of PICT, or Bharati Vidyapeeth, or COEP, or the Lavale Symbiosis venue, we have good enough connections to be able to say that we'll get good support from mgmt/faculty/students. 3. For the SIMC and Symbiosis Vishwabhavan, I've already mentioned lack of support from faculty/students as a disadvantage. But, I don't see the above as a problem. To answer the question differently - we've had lots of large (i.e. 500+ people) tech conferences in Pune in various venues (including non-college venues like Persistent Systems, and non-tech-college venues like SDLC (i.e. colleges that have no interest in the conference), and we've never faced a lack of volunteers. There are so many students in so many colleges in Pune who are willing to come to the venue and help out, that even if we have a venue with just management support and a couple of liaison people, it hasn't been a problem in the past. I'm talking about conferences like Proto.in (in Persistent), PHPCamp.net (500 to 1000 people, last 3 years, in non-tech colleges like SDLC)... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm talking about conferences like Proto.in (in > Persistent), PHPCamp.net (500 to 1000 people, last 3 years, in non-tech > colleges like SDLC)... > Though i have been bidding furiously for Chennai (and will continue to bid so ;) ), i must admit that Pune's people are in general great hosts. personally i think that version of Proto.in was the best i had seen. But then PyCon and Proto.in are complete different. Still, putting aside the fact that i have been bidding for Chennai, +1 Pune. and as far as Coimbatore is concerned, i do not know the ground realities there apart from the fact that Kenneth is there, and hence personally a +0 there. cheers, kausik -- Kausikram Krishnasayee Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There are so many students in so many colleges in Pune >> who are willing to come to the venue and help out, that even if we have a >> venue with just management support and a couple of liaison people, it hasn't >> been a problem in the past. I'm talking about conferences like Proto.in (in >> Persistent), PHPCamp.net (500 to 1000 people, last 3 years, in non-tech >> colleges like SDLC)... >> > > Though i have been bidding furiously for Chennai (and will continue to bid > so ;) ), i must admit that Pune's people are in general great hosts. > personally i think that version of Proto.in was the best i had seen. But > then PyCon and Proto.in are complete different. Still, putting aside the > fact that i have been bidding for Chennai, > +1 Pune. > and as far as Coimbatore is concerned, i do not know the ground realities > there apart from the fact that Kenneth is there, and hence personally a +0 > there. > > > cheers, > kausik > > -- > Kausikram Krishnasayee > Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: > blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: > kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Consultant, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - +91 9686602153 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu Twitter - @diptanu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have been in one of the DevCamps there, and saw a lot of > energy! > > And I have nothing against Chennai, but I think Pune is > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 11:11 AM, kausikram krishnasayee < > kausikram at gmail.com> wrote: > >> To answer the question differently - we've had lots of large (i.e. 500+ >>> people) tech conferences in Pune in various venues (including non-college >>> venues like Persistent Systems, and non-tech-college venues like SDLC (i.e. >>> colleges that have no interest in the conference), and we've never faced a >>> lack of volunteers. There are so many students in so many colleges in Pune >>> who are willing to come to the venue and help out, that even if we have a >>> venue with just management support and a couple of liaison people, it hasn't >>> been a problem in the past. I'm talking about conferences like Proto.in (in >>> Persistent), PHPCamp.net (500 to 1000 people, last 3 years, in non-tech >>> colleges like SDLC)... >>> >> >> Though i have been bidding furiously for Chennai (and will continue to bid >> so ;) ), i must admit that Pune's people are in general great hosts. >> personally i think that version of Proto.in was the best i had seen. But >> then PyCon and Proto.in are complete different. Still, putting aside the >> fact that i have been bidding for Chennai, >> +1 Pune. >> and as far as Coimbatore is concerned, i do not know the ground realities >> there apart from the fact that Kenneth is there, and hence personally a +0 >> there. >> >> >> cheers, >> kausik >> >> -- >> Kausikram Krishnasayee >> Company: http://silverstripesoftware.com | Webpage: kausikram.in | Blog: >> blog.kausikram.in | Twitter: http://twitter.com/kausikram | Email: >> kausikram at gmail.com | Mobile: +91 9884246490 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Thanks, > Diptanu Choudhury > Consultant, ThoughtWorks India > Mobile - +91 9686602153 > Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu > Twitter - @diptanu > > -- Thanks, Diptanu Choudhury Consultant, ThoughtWorks India Mobile - +91 9686602153 Web - www.linkedin.com/in/diptanu Twitter - @diptanu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vid at svaksha.com Sat Feb 12 13:05:24 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:05:24 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:46, ? ?????? ? wrote: > Hello Folks, > > As someone who was upbeat about INpycon, its disappointing to see it > reduced to list wars over host cities and polls being gamed. To > preserve the open decision making process and avoid a repeat of this > weeks confusion and rancour on the list, in future (2012 onwards), > could we enforce a 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host > cities, similar to pycon at usa? Granted, the Chennai bid for 2011 fell > off the radar, but this mail is not meant to redux past threads on the > list. > > Moving ahead, from, > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConPlanning/BidRequirements, I've > borrowed and edited the bid questionnaire to suit IN.pycon --Feel free > to add any requirements you wish to see there (including any errors) > so that this can be posted on the wiki and in future ALL cities > bidding would be asked to create a wiki-page along the following: > > Bid Requirements: Added them to the wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaBidRequirements, and here is some more information from Doug (reposted with his permission) on what happens _after_ the bid is accepted. I think there are many important planning and organizing tips in his mail which would be very useful for us to understand how we should look at planning Pycon India in the coming years. Its entirely possible that people may not be speaking up or volunteering because they are not aware of what effort goes into the conference process, and/or may be afraid of the burden falling on a single shoulder, and rightly so. I'll add this to the wiki if folks think its useful. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Douglas Napoleone Date: Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 08:21 Subject: Re: [PyCon-Organizers] Infos on the PyCon bidding process [.....] The bid process is really just the beginning. One of the reasons for gathering so much information about the local python community is because the conference will mainly be run by local volunteer support. The larger picture looks something like this (in theory): 0. Put out a call for Bids 1. Gather initial Bids 2. Get initial RFP's from local hotels from CTE (our location management contractor) 3. Review RFP's with the bid organizers 4. Local volunteers help with onsite inspection of RFP hotels and provide feedback on RFP's 5. Initial straw budgets are constructed by Chair with help from Biders 6. Site selection is reduced to at most 3 options. 7. Recommendations are made to the PSF Board, and dome decision is made. 8. A contract is signed. 9. Locals help with website information (transportation, food, etc) 10. locals volunteer for organizer staff positions (volunteer coordinator being a key position) 11. Locals are encouraged to take part in the program committee and to submit talks, showcasing that cities pythonitude 12. locals help with promotion, and with contacts to local businesses and educational institutions 13. locals help out with interaction with the hotel which requires onsite personnel (food option review, etc) 13. locals help out with initial setup of the conference 14. The conference happens, with much support from the local community 15. The local community helps with teardown and postmortem The week leading up to the conference is where the real work for the local community begins. The local pythonistas are the ones who are most able to be on hand before the conference, know where the local Staples is which has posterboard and other last minute supplies, and are willing to maybe even drive someone to go get some DVI-VGA dongles; for example. During the sprints in Chicago, it was some locals whom organized trips to the museum and other attractions. All of this can be a whole lot of fun, and it can also be a drain on the local volunteers, which is one reason for moving the conference and doing bids in the first place. One thing we have learned is that it is best to get representatives from the bid cities to help with the organization of earlier conferences. A number of people from Chicago helped out in TX 2007. This greatly helped with the transition to Chicago in 2008. We are looking to have all staff positions be a pair of people moving forward to help with the transition processes, increase participation (new blood), and reduce burnout. I hope this helps explain system behind the bid process and alleviate and concerns you may have due to the current discussions around the 2012-20113 conferences and the bid process in general. Ultimately the bid process is just there to facilitate the larger job of finding a location with a vibrant local community which can support the conference and help with the exact conference site RFP evaluation. ---------- /Forwarded message ---------- -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From lawgon at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 03:46:11 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:16:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297565171.1788.7.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 18:06 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > >> So in my opinion it is up to Pune to convince us on team and venue. > >> Until then Coimbatore's hat will be in the ring. (one good result > of > >> that silly poll is that there seems to be a lot of support for a > good > >> newbie/evangelist regional conference in this area.) > > > > I suggest holding one day intermediate user level conference in the > region. I will support any local person who is willing to take this > on. one day is insufficient - as already mentioned we have already conducted around 30 one day events. It would need to be 3 day at least. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 03:51:32 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:21:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1297565492.1788.12.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:46 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: > As someone who was upbeat about INpycon, its disappointing to see it > reduced to list wars over host cities and polls being gamed. I do not see any list war over host cities. And the poll was not gamed. I have spent some time analysing the anomalies and it is quite clear to me that most of the votes were genuine and the spam votes are by just one person. A person who is conversant with the main players and sophisticated enough to be a tennis fan. The 'unwashed masses' would have opted for film stars - or at the most for cricketers. I do not agree with your slant on the matter. Most of the discussion has been healthy - a little passionate maybe, but then without passion life is not worth living. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 03:51:55 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:21:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87sjvukabd.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <1297426088.1831.386.camel@localhost> <871v3elpy3.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvukabd.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297565515.1788.13.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 18:17 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I suggest holding one day intermediate user level conference in the > > region. I will support any local person who is willing to take this > > on. > > [...] > > Let's move this discussion to the IPSS list and beat it out there. > > We'll keep this thread focussed on selecting the venue for PyCon India > 2011 agreed -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From ramdaz at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 04:14:45 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 08:44:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: <1297565492.1788.12.camel@localhost> References: <1297565492.1788.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 8:21 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:46 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: > > As someone who was upbeat about INpycon, its disappointing to see it > > reduced to list wars over host cities and polls being gamed. > > I do not see any list war over host cities. And the poll was not gamed. > I have spent some time analysing the anomalies and it is quite clear to > me that most of the votes were genuine and the spam votes are by just > one person. A person who is conversant with the main players and > sophisticated enough to be a tennis fan. The 'unwashed masses' would > have opted for film stars - or at the most for cricketers. I do not > agree with your slant on the matter. Most of the discussion has been > healthy - a little passionate maybe, but then without passion life is > not worth living. > Agreed! I now completely buy one argument which Kenneth had that Coimbatore geographically probably can bring in a larger crowd for Python enthusiasts. Python probably has a bigger base in Kerala and Tamil Nadu colleges, than anywhere else. And this could bring in the numbers. But is numbers all that matters is the question? > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From satyaakam at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 05:37:18 2011 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 10:07:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: References: <1297565492.1788.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > > >> Agreed! I now completely buy one argument which Kenneth had that > Coimbatore geographically probably can bring in a larger crowd for Python > enthusiasts. Python probably has a bigger base in Kerala and Tamil Nadu > colleges, than anywhere else. And this could bring in the numbers. But is > numbers all that matters is the question? > no if your claim of base is correct then it has more meaning to give exposure to get them to next level, yes it does matter in some cases but then there are different school of thoughts on this one. one is going the masses way other is focussed on vertical silos , i think both are important for Foss ecosystem. for eg: the moment foss.in transformed from generic foss based event to the more elitist programmer only thing i stopped going to it , also there were other reasons too , pugs as lugs are important one cannot live without other , lugs are the nurseries pugs and other groups i would say have involved from these roots so the trick is to not to alienate and cut our own roots rather have a harmony. -Satya -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <1297565492.1788.12.camel@localhost> References: <1297565492.1788.12.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 02:51, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-11 at 12:46 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: >> As someone who was upbeat about INpycon, its disappointing to see it >> reduced to list wars over host cities and polls being gamed. > > I do not see any list war over host cities. And the poll was not gamed. Kenneth, people choose[0] to see what they want to see, so feel free to disagree and continue the thread drift. Mileages vary. [0] I sent 2 mails regarding improving processes, the first had 562 words (greetings and signature ignored) but the above 23 words were a lot more interesting as opposed to the 539 words on 'city bid process' et al ; while the second with 640 words (sans greeting and signature count), largely a redux of Doug's organizers perspective was completely ignored. > I have spent some time analysing the anomalies and it is quite clear to > me that most of the votes were genuine and the spam votes are by just > one person. A person who is conversant with the main players and > sophisticated enough to be a tennis fan. One person? How did you get this information? My curiosity is piqued. > agree with your slant on the matter. Most of the discussion has been > healthy - a little passionate maybe, but then without passion life is > not worth living. Mileages vary, see [0] above. Returning to $subject line, I would be a lot more interested in hearing comments on streamlining the process and bringing some advance planning into the city selection process. Its completely normal for people to have real lives with other priorities, hence a lot more important to create a volunteer group that allows new blood to take over seamlessly. This would take time to happen but if IPSS chooses, it *can* bring in some advance planning into the picture as opposed to being *passionate about flaming people* who are trying to help. Do let me know if you dont want my help, as I can think of better things to do on a weekend. Thanks for reading. -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 07:37:52 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:07:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?B?IuClpS4g4KS44KWN4KS14KSV4KWN4KS3IOClpS4iJ3M=?= message of "Sat, 12 Feb 2011 12:05:24 +0000") References: Message-ID: <87k4h4wibj.fsf@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 12 2011, ? ?????? ? wrote: [...] > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaBidRequirements, and here is > some more information from Doug (reposted with his permission) on what > happens _after_ the bid is accepted. I think there are many important > planning and organizing tips in his mail which would be very useful > for us to understand how we should look at planning Pycon India in the > coming years. [...] A little process heavy but I think it'd streamline the whole venue selection business. It *does* rely on having active PUGs in various cities (which is not the case in India) but I'm sure we can adopt *some* of what they do. -- From abpillai at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 08:26:50 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:56:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Any one? If there are none, I propose that we "agree" on Pune and get > the ball rolling. > Since there are no majority dissenting voices, I suggest we go with Pune. > > On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > So, are we generally for Pune? Any serious objections? > > > > Like I said earlier, personal issues like "I can't travel to Pune" have > > to be left aside and this question must be judged on whether the city is > > better for the conference or not. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 10:59:09 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 15:29:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 12, 2011 at 5:35 PM, ? ?????? ? wrote: > On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 12:46, ? ?????? ? wrote: > > Hello Folks, > > > > As someone who was upbeat about INpycon, its disappointing to see it > > reduced to list wars over host cities and polls being gamed. To > > preserve the open decision making process and avoid a repeat of this > > weeks confusion and rancour on the list, in future (2012 onwards), > > could we enforce a 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host > > cities, similar to pycon at usa? Granted, the Chennai bid for 2011 fell > > off the radar, but this mail is not meant to redux past threads on the > > list. > I didn't feel we were indulging in wars in this list. To me it was a question of being passionate about your perspective, and trying to argue for it. I agree with what Kenneth said in another post in that respect - Passion is good and is useful, otherwise we wouldn't even be there in this list today, discussing these things. > > > > Moving ahead, from, > > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConPlanning/BidRequirements, I've > > borrowed and edited the bid questionnaire to suit IN.pycon --Feel free > > to add any requirements you wish to see there (including any errors) > > so that this can be posted on the wiki and in future ALL cities > > bidding would be asked to create a wiki-page along the following: > > > > Bid Requirements: > > Added them to the wiki: > http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaBidRequirements, and here is > some more information from Doug (reposted with his permission) on what > happens _after_ the bid is accepted. I think there are many important > planning and organizing tips in his mail which would be very useful > for us to understand how we should look at planning Pycon India in the > coming years. > > Its entirely possible that people may not be speaking up or > volunteering because they are not aware of what effort goes into the > conference process, and/or may be afraid of the burden falling on a > single shoulder, and rightly so. I'll add this to the wiki if folks > think its useful. > > > Appreciate the good intentions behind it. However, Pycon US is a much older conference when compared to ours fledgling one. It has gone through multiple iterations and I think, has finally come up with these procedures to solve what they perceived as some problems in the co-ordinating key aspects of the conf. We are still making baby steps and just learning to walk, so IMHO, if we try to comply with these rather rigorous checks and methods, it might take the "fun" and "spontaneity" away from our conference, and make it rather staid and boring. Kind of equivalent to asking the baby to follow a straight line in the house, while it is learning to walk. I would like to quote Knuth's ever-green advice when it comes to stuff like these - "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". This applies not just to software, but also to human organization and activities. I like to think of these little fights we are having in the list more as "war games", rather than "wars" :) > ---------- /Forwarded message ---------- > -- > Regards, > vid ? http://svaksha.com > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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However, Pycon US is > ?a much older conference when compared to ours fledgling one. > ?It has gone through multiple iterations and I think, has finally > ?come up with these procedures to solve what they perceived > ?as some problems in the co-ordinating key aspects of the conf. hmm...are you saying there was not a single point in their bid requirements that IPSS/Inpycon cannot borrow? Strange. > ?We are still making baby steps and just learning to walk, so > ?IMHO, if we try to comply with these rather rigorous checks I dont recall anyone (including me) insisting they are rules to be complied with. Its on the list, discuss and take apart each specific and throw away that which would not be useful. Its on a wiki, and the last I checked anyone with an account can edit it. However, instead of taking what is useful from their planned process (which has no doubt been through many iterations over the years), more energy is being devoted to dismissing it off-hand. If that is 'passionately arguing for one's POV', I rest my case with just one sample (out of the multiple) points that seems like a useful question to ask bidders: o Transportation resources: + How close is the nearest major airport to the heart of the city or region? + What sort of transportation options are available? Bus, taxi, train, auto-rickshaw, metro-rail, etc. How much does a trip on each cost? + How close are these resources to the large venues you identified above? Furthermore, incase you have not realised it, thusfar, the above questions were being asked across multiple threads on the list and the Chennai-bidders spend a lot of time answering it on the list. Its not difficult to ask the bidder(s) to put all this information on the wiki and then vote it out on the list based on the merits/demerits. YMMV. > ?Kind of equivalent to asking the baby to follow a straight line > ?in the house, while it is learning to walk. > > ?I would like to quote Knuth's ever-green advice when it comes to > ?stuff like these - "Premature optimization is the root of all evil". > ?This applies not just to software, but also to human organization > ?and activities. Thanks, but frankly, the patronization would be justified if you had bothered to point out which bid points in their process were less useful for inpycon. That isnt the case. Thusfar, nobody has bothered to filter that document for anything that we could borrow from the pycon US process. Unfortunately, none of the "passion" that you are advising seems to be directed to planning and organizing so that volunteers have things easier. > ?I like to think of these little fights we are having in the list more > as "war games", rather than "wars" :) Each to their own, people are free to read just 1.91% of my initial mails and miss out on the 98.09%. Please feel free to continue the wars/games...whatever! I seem to have run out of 'passion', so its my last on the subject and thanks for all the fish! -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From ramdaz at gmail.com Sun Feb 13 18:18:51 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:48:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:56 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai < abpillai at gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> >> Any one? If there are none, I propose that we "agree" on Pune and get >> the ball rolling. >> > > Since there are no majority dissenting voices, I suggest we > go with Pune. > > >> >> On Fri, Feb 11 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> > So, are we generally for Pune? Any serious objections? >> > >> > Like I said earlier, personal issues like "I can't travel to Pune" have >> > to be left aside and this question must be judged on whether the city is >> > better for the conference or not. >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand > Then Pune it is.... > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We start working towards making it happen. Can I request all past participants to enumerate whatever they recollect might be items/tasks we need to put together in a consolidated list of items we need to plan for, track and complete to satisfaction ? Dhananjay On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Right then. > > Pune is going to be host of PyCon India 2011. > > Dhananjay and his crew have put forward a solid proposal and I'm sure > it'll be conference much better than the past 2. > > Now, let's get the ball rolling. :) > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dhananjay and his crew have put forward a solid proposal and I'm sure it'll be conference much better than the past 2. Now, let's get the ball rolling. :) -- _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We start working towards making it happen. > > Can I request all past participants to enumerate whatever they recollect > might be items/tasks we need to put together in a consolidated list of items > we need to plan for, track and complete to satisfaction ? > >From my part, I will send out an email to you regarding the issues I encountered last time while doing the CFP and my suggestions on how we can streamline it and do a better job this time. > > Dhananjay > > > On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> >> Right then. >> >> Pune is going to be host of PyCon India 2011. >> >> Dhananjay and his crew have put forward a solid proposal and I'm sure >> it'll be conference much better than the past 2. >> >> Now, let's get the ball rolling. :) >> >> -- >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We start working towards making it happen. >> >> Can I request all past participants to enumerate whatever they recollect >> might be items/tasks we need to put together in a consolidated list of items >> we need to plan for, track and complete to satisfaction ? >> > > From my part, I will send out an email to you regarding the issues I > encountered last time > while doing the CFP and my suggestions on how we can streamline it and do a > better > job this time. > > > Thank you Anand and Vijay (for a separate response on the same thread). Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 08:03:49 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:33:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Mon, 14 Feb 2011 09:56:43 +0530") References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyg745j6.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877hd33xnu.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 14 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > Thank you all. We start working towards making it happen. > > Can I request all past participants to enumerate whatever they recollect > might be items/tasks we need to put together in a consolidated list of items > we need to plan for, track and complete to satisfaction ? > > Dhananjay Following is the actin plan I made for last year. The dates and items would change a little but I think we can use it as a starting point. I think it'd be wise to get things like the website and branding done at first so that we have a public face for advertising right away. Overall schedule for PyCon India 2010 ===================================== Date: 2010-04-23 11:19:02 IST Table of Contents ================= 1 Till end of April 2 May1 - May 10 3 By end of May 4 June 1 - June 30 5 July 1 - July 30 6 August 7 September 1 Till end of April ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Discussions on long term aspects like - Dates - CFP - Number of tracks - Venue finalisation and begin talking (JN Tata is my vote). - Wifi provider - A/V provider - Food provider - Development and setup of website so that we have our public face (by May 1). - Start advertising by word of mouth/twitter 2 May1 - May 10 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Discuss sponsors on list - Finalise main list (the must haves - others can come later and we'll accomodate) - Finalise benefits in each tier - Prepare sponsorship brochures - Assign people to start talking to the sponsors. - The bank account should be ready so that we can get funds by atleast May 15. 3 By end of May ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Get commitments from atleast a few sponsors - WiFi is a priority. We should somehow get a provider like AirTel to sponsor this. One person should be in charge of this. - A/V shouldn't be as hard as wifi but we need a person who'll be in touch with them. 4 June 1 - June 30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Mainly focussing on sponsors. This month will be a little hazy since our steps forward depend on how much cash we'll make. - It will also be one of the most critical since no money == no conference. - The moment we make enough to book the venue, we should go ahead and do it. - Now we have a minimal conference with no wifi/food. - Put up pages on the website detailing nearby restaurants and stuff in as much detail as possible. - Depending on what the financial situation, we can take the call here on international speakers. They're the main luxury we can cut off. - Discuss of CFP on the list (details like how many etc.) - We (ie. Anand) will also discuss with the PSF whether they can sponsor a speaker or two from abroad. 5 July 1 - July 30 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ - CFP (July 1) - Announce in and shamelessly publicise it - 3 weeks to send papers. July 20 is the cut off date. - 2 or 3 weeks to review papers. Authors will be notified by early/mid August. (team to review papers - a few from India and few from abroad). - By end of August, the abstracts should be with us. - Find a caterer and negotiate prices (same as last time?) - By the end of this month, we should have a confirmed conference so official publicity can start (media etc.) 6 August ~~~~~~~~~ - Recieve papers from interested parties. - Discuss keynote/invited speakers - This would depend on budget and by this time we should be clear on when/what we can do. - Tie up loose ends. This is getting fuzzy. 7 September ~~~~~~~~~~~~ - Somewhere in the middle (15 - 20) - official conference dates. [...] -- From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 08:12:40 2011 From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 12:42:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyg745j6.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:56 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > Thank you all. We start working towards making it happen. > > Can I request all past participants to enumerate whatever they recollect > might be items/tasks we need to put together in a consolidated list of items > we need to plan for, track and complete to satisfaction ? I think we can use this page and it's sub-pages to document various details: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2011 The old wiki page has many useful info: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2010 Regards, Baiju M From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 08:33:18 2011 From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:03:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 for Pune. Kudos to Dhanajay Nene for putting a solid proposal. I hope, it will much better than previous two conferences from organizing pov and *quality of talks* pov. Thanks & Regards, Sreenivas Reddy Thatiparthy, 9393099772. "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! " --Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My curiosity is piqued. logical induction from facts available -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 08:53:20 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 13:23:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [OT] python session in coimbatore Message-ID: <1297670000.6571.7.camel@localhost> hi, one good thing about the debate on cities is that people are now aware that there *is* such a place ;-) Here is a typical Saturday meetup. https://picasaweb.google.com/108629989013115149881/ILUGCBEFEB12SakthiCollege?authkey=Gv1sRgCJWEtoqK35eVDw&feat=email# -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 09:51:26 2011 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 14:21:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] 2-year policy and advance bid requirements for host cities! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 6:16 PM, ? ?????? ? wrote: > Bid Requirements: > > ? ?* Tell us, briefly, what's good and what's great about the > city/region/state that would make it a good place to host PyCon. Tell > us the pros and cons about the local area: > ? ? ? ? ?o Are major venues (500+ person capacity) plentiful or at > least available? > ? ? ? ? ?o Are they clustered or located in any particular area(s)? Perhaps an additional point providing details about possible lodgings/accommodation with links, if any, should be asked for. At some point during the organization of the conference, the details would be required to be published. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Feb 14 11:37:59 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 16:07:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Venue decision In-Reply-To: <877hd33xnu.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqylrwo.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd6k2t9.fsf@gmail.com> <87sjvswjbs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyg745j6.fsf@gmail.com> <877hd33xnu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Feb 14 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > Thank you all. We start working towards making it happen. > > > > Can I request all past participants to enumerate whatever they recollect > > might be items/tasks we need to put together in a consolidated list of > items > > we need to plan for, track and complete to satisfaction ? > > > > Dhananjay > > Following is the actin plan I made for last year. The dates and items > would change a little but I think we can use it as a starting point. > This is good to use as a template. > > I think it'd be wise to get things like the website and branding done > at first so that we have a public face for advertising right away. > > I for one, would like to start the CFP process earlier than last time. We should call for CFP in March and close it by July to give us one solid month of August where we vet presentations and take the final calls. I am sure this will give us all enough time to review talk proposals and give more time in vetting presentations as well. I think it will improve the overall quality of the conference. I am sending my suggestions to Dhananjay on this later in the day. Thanks, --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I am sure this will give us all enough time to review talk proposals > and give more time in vetting presentations as well. I think it will > improve the overall quality of the conference. > +1 for early CFP.This will also give enough time to polish presentations as well :) Thanks & Regards, Sreenivas Reddy Thatiparthy, . "Anyone who has never made a mistake has never tried anything new !!! " --Albert Einstein -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 04:09:27 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:39:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India Message-ID: All, One of the first things I tried to look at is the availability of a hosted / SaaS offering for Issue / Task Tracking. Note: self hosting is something I would really like to avoid to save time and energy. Here are some of the tools I explored and did not find necessarily good enough (at least in my individual opinion) a. Manymoon - 25M limit b. Lighthouse - 100M limit (thought I think 100 M should be good enough for us). c. Todoyou - too enterprisey d. Deskaway and Unfuddle (and many others such as Basecamp as well) - From what I remember they allowed too few users or too little disk space for the free edition. I would imagine we will need approx 25 users to be setup. e. PivotalTracker - perhaps too heavily focused on user stories/milestones and in general the agile way. The ones which seemed Ok were : a. Jira, by atlassian. - I've used it in the past. Its very good. Has a relatively sharp software focus. Requires qualification as a organisation to use it in a free manner. That is being pursued to see if it works for us. Else extremely expensive. b. Assembla - based on Trac but now substantially different. (Python users might sense additional satisfaction of it being python :) ). Software focused. In general quite nice and full featured. Some amount of agile focus. c. NoKahuna - Exceptionally simple with minimalist task tracking. The minimalism could influence negatively in a few places (though it just seems extraordinarily cute). Note that both for Assembla and NoKahuna (and Lighthouse) - I was intending to use the Public repository - the one where all data is in the open in order to qualify for the $0 amount, a constraint which might seem like a feature perhaps in a context like Pycon India. Thoughts, comments are welcome. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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PivotalTracker - perhaps too heavily focused on user stories/milestones > and in general the agile way. > > The ones which seemed Ok were : > > a. Jira, by atlassian. - I've used it in the past. Its very good. Has a > relatively sharp software focus. Requires qualification as a organisation to > use it in a free manner. That is being pursued to see if it works for us. > Else extremely expensive. > b. Assembla - based on Trac but now substantially different. (Python users > might sense additional satisfaction of it being python :) ). Software > focused. In general quite nice and full featured. Some amount of agile > focus. > c. NoKahuna - Exceptionally simple with minimalist task tracking. The > minimalism could influence negatively in a few places (though it just seems > extraordinarily cute). > > Note that both for Assembla and NoKahuna (and Lighthouse) - I was intending > to use the Public repository - the one where all data is in the open in > order to qualify for the $0 amount, a constraint which might seem like a > feature perhaps in a context like Pycon India. > > Thoughts, comments are welcome. How about github? I've never seen anything simpler than that. Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 04:31:14 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:01:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > 2011/2/15 Dhananjay Nene : > > All, > > > > One of the first things I tried to look at is the availability of a > hosted / > > SaaS offering for Issue / Task Tracking. Note: self hosting is something > I > > would really like to avoid to save time and energy. > > > [...] > > Thoughts, comments are welcome. > > How about github? > > I've never seen anything simpler than that. > > Actually didn't think about it since it is so tightly focused. But yes if we evaluate nokahuna for its minimalism, github would be a good candidate too in that class (though nokahuna's message boards are much nicer, it would require many of us to create yet another user id which wouldn't be necessary for github. > Anand > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ramdaz at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 04:31:30 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:01:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > All, > > One of the first things I tried to look at is the availability of a hosted > / SaaS offering for Issue / Task Tracking. Note: self hosting is something > I would really like to avoid to save time and energy. > > Here are some of the tools I explored and did not find necessarily good > enough (at least in my individual opinion) > > a. Manymoon - 25M limit > b. Lighthouse - 100M limit (thought I think 100 M should be good enough for > us). > c. Todoyou - too enterprisey > d. Deskaway and Unfuddle (and many others such as Basecamp as well) - From > what I remember they allowed too few users or too little disk space for the > free edition. I would imagine we will need approx 25 users to be setup. > e. PivotalTracker - perhaps too heavily focused on user stories/milestones > and in general the agile way. > > The ones which seemed Ok were : > > a. Jira, by atlassian. - I've used it in the past. Its very good. Has a > relatively sharp software focus. Requires qualification as a organisation to > use it in a free manner. That is being pursued to see if it works for us. > Else extremely expensive. > b. Assembla - based on Trac but now substantially different. (Python users > might sense additional satisfaction of it being python :) ). Software > focused. In general quite nice and full featured. Some amount of agile > focus. > c. NoKahuna - Exceptionally simple with minimalist task tracking. The > minimalism could influence negatively in a few places (though it just seems > extraordinarily cute). > > Note that both for Assembla and NoKahuna (and Lighthouse) - I was intending > to use the Public repository - the one where all data is in the open in > order to qualify for the $0 amount, a constraint which might seem like a > feature perhaps in a context like Pycon India. > It's a feature. Let's use one of the free and open ones. We need transparency since this is a community effort. I think whatever the Dhananjay and Pune team feels comfortable with we will go ahead, since they are driving it. > Thoughts, comments are welcome. > > Dhananjay > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------- > blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com > twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gora at mimirtech.com Tue Feb 15 04:33:02 2011 From: gora at mimirtech.com (Gora Mohanty) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:03:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > All, > > One of the first things I tried to look at is the availability of a hosted / > SaaS offering for Issue / Task Tracking.? Note: self hosting is something I > would really like to avoid to save time and energy. [...] Not sure about what software your options are built on, but for Python, there is Roundup: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/roundup . Especially nice is the email integration. The drawback is that one would need to host it oneself. Regards, Gora From anandology at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 05:49:32 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:19:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2011/2/15 Gora Mohanty : > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: >> All, >> >> One of the first things I tried to look at is the availability of a hosted / >> SaaS offering for Issue / Task Tracking.? Note: self hosting is something I >> would really like to avoid to save time and energy. > [...] > > Not sure about what software your options are built on, but for Python, > there is Roundup: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/roundup . Especially nice > is the email integration. The drawback is that one would need to host > it oneself. I don't really agree that we used exclusively use python-only software for running the conference. The code for in.pycon.org website is hosted on github. https://github.com/anandology/in.pycon.org I'm going to start working on putting the new website there. One option is to use the same issue tracker for managing the conference. Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 05:52:02 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:22:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Ramdas S wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:39 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > >> All, >> >> One of the first things I tried to look at is the availability of a hosted >> / SaaS offering for Issue / Task Tracking. Note: self hosting is something >> I would really like to avoid to save time and energy. >> >> Here are some of the tools I explored and did not find necessarily good >> enough (at least in my individual opinion) >> >> a. Manymoon - 25M limit >> b. Lighthouse - 100M limit (thought I think 100 M should be good enough >> for us). >> c. Todoyou - too enterprisey >> d. Deskaway and Unfuddle (and many others such as Basecamp as well) - From >> what I remember they allowed too few users or too little disk space for the >> free edition. I would imagine we will need approx 25 users to be setup. >> e. PivotalTracker - perhaps too heavily focused on user stories/milestones >> and in general the agile way. >> >> The ones which seemed Ok were : >> >> a. Jira, by atlassian. - I've used it in the past. Its very good. Has a >> relatively sharp software focus. Requires qualification as a organisation to >> use it in a free manner. That is being pursued to see if it works for us. >> Else extremely expensive. >> b. Assembla - based on Trac but now substantially different. (Python users >> might sense additional satisfaction of it being python :) ). Software >> focused. In general quite nice and full featured. Some amount of agile >> focus. >> c. NoKahuna - Exceptionally simple with minimalist task tracking. The >> minimalism could influence negatively in a few places (though it just seems >> extraordinarily cute). >> >> Note that both for Assembla and NoKahuna (and Lighthouse) - I was >> intending to use the Public repository - the one where all data is in the >> open in order to qualify for the $0 amount, a constraint which might seem >> like a feature perhaps in a context like Pycon India. >> > > It's a feature. Let's use one of the free and open ones. We need > transparency since this is a community effort. I think whatever the > Dhananjay and Pune team feels comfortable with we will go ahead, since they > are driving it. > Have decided to use Assembla on a 2 week trial. The repository will be open and visible to all. https://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/ However actual participation will require a user id on assembla. Since we are doing a trial, you may want to wait till end of February when we decide whether we continue with it (else if we shift later - ids will need to get recreated). If however you would like to participate sooner, create an id on assembla and let me know, I can associate your account with the project. I will add the ids on request only once every 24 hrs .. so it might take upto a day for it to be processed. > Thoughts, comments are welcome. >> >> Dhananjay >> >> -- >> -------------------------------------------------------- >> blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com >> twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Ramdas S > +91 9342 583 065 > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The drawback is that one would need to host >> it oneself. > > I don't really agree that we used exclusively use python-only software > for running the conference. I don't think so either. Github is ruby shop and I prefer it vastly to bitbucket which is Django/Piston based. > The code for in.pycon.org website is hosted on github. > > https://github.com/anandology/in.pycon.org > > I'm going to start working on putting the new website there. One > option is to use the same issue tracker for managing the conference. [...] Dhananjay should take the call before you start. -- From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 06:08:34 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:38:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] On the nature of discussions Message-ID: I must confess being a member of this mailing list for long and having sensed a sense of horror and consternation when the quality of discussions decidedly take a negative shift. What I would request is that we set up the following ground rule : * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue based and non-personal. * Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are conducted directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a route completely bypassing this mailing list. This is a simple rule which in no way constrains us from having a good quality of discussions. Every personal attack is usually based on some set of issues which could be assaulted directly. The benefit of going down this path is that it makes people less defensive and less inclined to attack back simply due to the personal nature of the original post. More importantly it focuses the discussion on the issues and not the personalities. I not only believe but am completely confident, that this will in no way constrain us from debating the issues that need to be debated, and yet make way for a much more open, receptive, and a healthy environment to discuss matters in. I had wanted to say this for months, but really wasn't a participant so did not make it a point. However now that I imagine I will be participating, I thought I would bring this up. This is entirely my individual view. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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What I would request is that we set up the > following ground rule : > > * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue > based and non-personal. * > > Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are conducted > directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a route > completely bypassing this mailing list. > +1 - sree From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 06:25:07 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:55:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: <87aahxrirz.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87aahxrirz.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297747507.6571.42.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 10:33 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I don't really agree that we used exclusively use python-only > software > > for running the conference. > > I don't think so either. Github is ruby shop and I prefer it vastly to > bitbucket which is Django/Piston based. I think we should use python only software and I prefer bitbucket vastly to github ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From anandology at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 06:29:25 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:59:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] in.pycon.org website Message-ID: Hi, I've managed the in.pycon.org website in 2010 and it is currently hosted on my server. Before moving to 2011 website, we should generate static pages from 2010 website so that we can archive it forever. I'm planning to do that in next couple of days. Dhananjay, please make a call on what to do for 2011 website. I'll be happy to manage and continue to host it on my server again this year. The current website is running on Infogami. Infogami is a structured wiki written in Python. It has a simple plugin support and we used it to add custom features for in.pycon.org website. The code is on github^1: https://github.com/anandology/in.pycon.org If you plan to use a different software and host it somewhere else, I can help you in making the necessary DNS changes. Anand ^1: If people think that it should be hosted on bitbucket instead of github, I can move it there. From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 06:36:04 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:06:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] in.pycon.org website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Hi, > > I've managed the in.pycon.org website in 2010 and it is currently > hosted on my server. > > Before moving to 2011 website, we should generate static pages from > 2010 website so that we can archive it forever. I'm planning to do > that in next couple of days. > > Dhananjay, please make a call on what to do for 2011 website. > I have no reason to believe we need to change it. 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To join, go here: http://ipss.org.in -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From b.ghose at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 07:08:41 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:38:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] ipss memberships In-Reply-To: <1297749977.6571.56.camel@localhost> References: <1297749977.6571.56.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > I was looking at the ipss members list and find that Pune is very > unrepresented in it - I feel that the key players in the conference > should join and also join the ipss mailing list. To join, go here: > > http://ipss.org.in +1 Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 07:11:45 2011 From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:41:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] in.pycon.org website In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, I am a happy user of last year site. It was very easy to create a new page with template. Through the web customisation is excellent. Regards, Baiju M From satyaakam at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 07:21:37 2011 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:51:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] On the nature of discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > I must confess being a member of this mailing list for long and having > sensed a sense of horror and consternation when the quality of discussions > decidedly take a negative shift. What I would request is that we set up the > following ground rule : > > * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue > based and non-personal. * fair enough > Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are conducted > directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a route > completely bypassing this mailing list. > this will not work will create more confusion , let it happen right here. This is a simple rule which in no way constrains us from having a good > quality of discussions. how can you say that without tasting one!! > Every personal attack is usually based on some set of issues which could be > assaulted directly. The benefit of going down this path is that it makes > people less defensive and less inclined to attack back simply due to the > personal nature of the original post. others can ignore, yes the art is to not to get entangled by being too personal and focus on the job on hand. you wont face the flank rather get support try once . > More importantly it focuses the discussion on the issues and not the > personalities. I not only believe but am completely confident, that this > will in no way constrain us from debating the issues that need to be > debated, and yet make way for a much more open, receptive, and a healthy > environment to discuss matters in. I had wanted to say this for months, but > really wasn't a participant so did not make it a point. However now that I > imagine I will be participating, corporate lingo wont work ... you need to tweak your lang a bit to suite the community. > I thought I would bring this up. This is entirely my individual view. > good you said that otherwise i thought you just changed list rules. -Satya ps: hope you will be better manager after this assignment :-) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 07:26:59 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:56:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] On the nature of discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:51 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > >> I must confess being a member of this mailing list for long and having >> sensed a sense of horror and consternation when the quality of discussions >> decidedly take a negative shift. What I would request is that we set up the >> following ground rule : >> >> * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue >> based and non-personal. * > > > fair enough > > >> Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are >> conducted directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in >> a route completely bypassing this mailing list. >> > > this will not work will create more confusion , let it happen right here. > That was a tongue in cheek remark to suggest that personal attacks should be kept off the list. (Should remember to add the smiley) > > This is a simple rule which in no way constrains us from having a good >> quality of discussions. > > > how can you say that without tasting one!! > Thats a useful rule I've seen applied in many other contexts. > > >> Every personal attack is usually based on some set of issues which could >> be assaulted directly. The benefit of going down this path is that it makes >> people less defensive and less inclined to attack back simply due to the >> personal nature of the original post. > > > others can ignore, yes the art is to not to get entangled by being too > personal and focus on the job on hand. you wont face the flank rather get > support try once . > > >> More importantly it focuses the discussion on the issues and not the >> personalities. I not only believe but am completely confident, that this >> will in no way constrain us from debating the issues that need to be >> debated, and yet make way for a much more open, receptive, and a healthy >> environment to discuss matters in. I had wanted to say this for months, but >> really wasn't a participant so did not make it a point. However now that I >> imagine I will be participating, > > > corporate lingo wont work ... you need to tweak your lang a bit to suite > the community. > Will try - but I am not sure that the community wouldn't be able to understand it. Reprogramming (thats another lingo :) ) will take time, though I will try. > > >> I thought I would bring this up. This is entirely my individual view. >> > > good you said that otherwise i thought you just changed list rules. > > -Satya > ps: hope you will be better manager after this assignment :-) > Has generally been true after every one. The smiley of course is duly noted :) Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Are we planning Day 1: Tutorials (paid) Day 2: Talks Day 3: Talks or Day 1: Talks Day 2: Talks Day 3: Open spaces/hackathons We'd need to pitch it appropriately to the sponsors. -- From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:02:11 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:32:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Conference days schedule In-Reply-To: <8739nppz10.fsf@gmail.com> References: <8739nppz10.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Just to clarify upfront. Are we planning > > Day 1: Tutorials (paid) > Day 2: Talks > Day 3: Talks > > or > > Day 1: Talks > Day 2: Talks > Day 3: Open spaces/hackathons > > We'd need to pitch it appropriately to the sponsors. > > I'm not sure about the option of Tutorials(paid). Can you elaborate? Also I am assuming Day 1 in this case would be a Friday - is that a valid assumption? Dhananjay > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:05:41 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:35:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates Message-ID: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Any ideas on who we want to invite? I think atleast 3 of us on the list are attending the PyCon in Atlanta this year and we might be able to talk to people first hand to get them to come if we decide on the details. The general use of Python in India as far as I can tell is for web related programming so perhaps some notable from the Django, Pinax, Pylons etc. communities? Other good speakers that come to mind are Raymond Hettinger (core Python), Ian Bicking(infrastructure, web, packaging), Michael Foord(testing), David Beazley (concurrency). -- From b.ghose at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:07:44 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:37:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > The general use of Python in India as far as I can tell is for web > related programming so perhaps some notable from the Django, Pinax, > Pylons etc. communities? > > Other good speakers that come to mind are Raymond Hettinger (core > Python), Ian Bicking(infrastructure, web, packaging), Michael > Foord(testing), David Beazley (concurrency). Jacob Kaplan Moss (Django), Armin Ronacher (Flask, Jinja, Werkzeug, Pygments). Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:11:16 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:41:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Conference days schedule In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:32:11 +0530") References: <8739nppz10.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87mxlxojqj.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> >> Just to clarify upfront. Are we planning >> >> Day 1: Tutorials (paid) >> Day 2: Talks >> Day 3: Talks >> >> or >> >> Day 1: Talks >> Day 2: Talks >> Day 3: Open spaces/hackathons >> >> We'd need to pitch it appropriately to the sponsors. >> >> I'm not sure about the option of Tutorials(paid). Can you elaborate? Also > I am assuming Day 1 in this case would be a Friday - is that a valid > assumption? [...] It could be Sat, Sun, Mon or a Fri, Sat, Sun could it not? -- From navin at smriti.com Tue Feb 15 08:13:17 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:43:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > The general use of Python in India as far as I can tell is for web > related programming so perhaps some notable from the Django, Pinax, > Pylons etc. communities? Another significant use I've seen of Python (at least in Pune) is for data analysis, amongst the maths/stats and science community. So if you run across someone from scipy/numpy, that might also be interesting. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anand From anandology at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:20:26 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:50:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] in.pycon.org website In-Reply-To: <1297748519.6571.52.camel@localhost> References: <1297748519.6571.52.camel@localhost> Message-ID: 2011/2/15 Kenneth Gonsalves : > On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 10:59 +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> ^1: If people think that it should be hosted on bitbucket instead of >> github, I can move it there. > > not 'instead of' - 'also' Done. https://bitbucket.org/anandology/in.pycon.org Anand From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:34:57 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:04:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Baishampayan Ghose's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:37:44 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: >> The general use of Python in India as far as I can tell is for web >> related programming so perhaps some notable from the Django, Pinax, >> Pylons etc. communities? >> >> Other good speakers that come to mind are Raymond Hettinger (core >> Python), Ian Bicking(infrastructure, web, packaging), Michael >> Foord(testing), David Beazley (concurrency). > > Jacob Kaplan Moss (Django), Armin Ronacher (Flask, Jinja, Werkzeug, Pygments). [...] Jacob is the keynote speaker for APAC PyCon this year. I don't know if he's interested in *2* trips. We can ask however. We might be able to ask some of the other core Django people or maybe the Pinax chaps like James Tauber or someone. I'm not really into Django so I don't know who'd be good. Armin's an awesome hacker but he's very young and I don't know if he can really pull off a keynote. It's the same reason why I didn't suggest Alex Gaynor. Also, English is not his mother tongue so the presentation quality might suffer a little. The same reason why I didn't suggest Tarek (of distutils2 fame). Another person I can think of that can *really* liven a conference is the PSF chairman Steve Holden. He's got a knack for making things come to life and would considerably change the general mood of the event. -- From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 08:45:54 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:15:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:39:27 +0530") References: Message-ID: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> Regardless of which tool you use for issue tracking, one thing I must *heavily* emphasise is that the mailing list (and a bunch of wiki pages) should be the main vehicles for coordination, discussion and decision making. They're the most open media available and I for one want to keep this a community conference. Things like the IPSS are a necessity of the times (we need a legal entity for the bank account etc.) and not a secret cabal that sits behind the curtains pulling the strings. While we all may not agree on direction or aims (and some of us might get a little vitriolic now and then), we should atleast allow all points of view to be heard on the list. The atmosphere will be significantly different from a closed list inside a company (or other such institution) and that's part of the "fun". Personal attacks, sarcasm, snide comments and outright accusations will be there but the point is to make sure that the overall aim of conducting the event is not affected and to make sure that people who just come on to troll don't upset the peopl who are doing all the work. Unstructured open fora sometimes tend to be chaotic (and that's why we need a benevolent dictator). -- From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 09:15:40 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 13:45:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Regardless of which tool you use for issue tracking, one thing I must > *heavily* emphasise is that the mailing list (and a bunch of wiki pages) > should be the main vehicles for coordination, discussion and decision > making. > Sure, I shall try to set up a "hose-pipe" from the task tracking into the mailing list. Please be prepared for some low level fine grained emails as well (eg. task got reassigned from A to B). While I might have to send a few (hopefully no more than 5) trial/registration messages to this mailing list. I trust that can be overlooked. Even the messages will have a reply-to pointing to the specific ticket id which will get incorporated as comments against the specific ticket (example : pycon-india-2011+@tickets.assembla.com). What we need to ensure is that mails originating from pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (which is how the mails will be sourced) be allowed to be posted to this mailing list. I hope except for minor inconveniences in the brief transition things should continue to be comfortable for all. > They're the most open media available and I for one want to keep this a > community conference. Things like the IPSS are a necessity of the times > (we need a legal entity for the bank account etc.) and not a secret > cabal that sits behind the curtains pulling the strings. > > The assembla space where the tickets are being stored is completely viewable by everybody and I can add whoever is interested in participating directly as members as well to the space. While we all may not agree on direction or aims (and some of us might > get a little vitriolic now and then), we should atleast allow all points > of view to be heard on the list. The atmosphere will be significantly > different from a closed list inside a company (or other such > institution) and that's part of the "fun". Something I'm only too aware of. Since the topic of management and company has come up on more than one occassion - let me address it head on. I am just as geeky as everyone else on this community and if you want to find that out just encourage me to get into a OS or language mobile platform debates. However given a responsibility (true in the case of inpycon), I tend to take an edge of my attitude. Sure I love the unstructured way of doing things - but I see the point also in how some formal structures and practices can indeed be helpful (they didn't get discovered/invented because they were useless). > Personal attacks, sarcasm, > snide comments and outright accusations will be there Thats one thing I will always be unclear about its efficacy. One has no idea, how many users get put off by that and hence do not participate, and how much bigger the ecosystem could've been. So as a cultural trait, I am not sure if it is for the best. I made the point I wanted to, and its best to move on. > but the point is > to make sure that the overall aim of conducting the event is > not > affected and to make sure that people who just come on to troll don't > upset the peopl who are doing all the work. > > Unreservedly agree. > Unstructured open fora sometimes tend to be chaotic (and that's why we > need a benevolent dictator). > > Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shalinjain at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 09:32:48 2011 From: shalinjain at gmail.com (Shalin Jain) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:02:48 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Guys, Tenmiles would be happy to offer our upcoming SaaS based Issue tracking / Customer support solution for the purpose of the conference at no cost. Would be nice if you could give us a mention on the website. The app is completely written in Python and has been in development for last 1 year. Basically, it is the SaaS version of our existing product http://www.helpdeskpilot.com/ and would be branded as HappyFox. Currently the app is used by many customers (in production) and we are giving out accounts on invitation only. The product would hit the market towards mid-march. Let me know if you would like to take it for a spin and see if it fits your needs. Shalin Jain http://twitter.com/shalin10 http://about.me/shalinjain On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> Regardless of which tool you use for issue tracking, one thing I must >> *heavily* emphasise is that the mailing list (and a bunch of wiki pages) >> should be the main vehicles for coordination, discussion and decision >> making. > > Sure, I shall try to set up a "hose-pipe" from the task tracking into the > mailing list. Please be prepared for some low level fine grained emails as > well (eg. task got reassigned from A to B). > While I might have to send a few (hopefully no more than 5) > trial/registration messages to this mailing list. I trust that can be > overlooked. Even the messages will have a reply-to pointing to the specific > ticket id which will get incorporated as comments against the specific > ticket (example : pycon-india-2011+@tickets.assembla.com). > What we need to ensure is that mails originating from > pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (which is how the mails will be > sourced) be allowed to be posted to this mailing list. I hope except for > minor inconveniences in the brief transition things should continue to be > comfortable for all. > >> >> They're the most open media available and I for one want to keep this a >> community conference. Things like the IPSS are a necessity of the times >> (we need a legal entity for the bank account etc.) and not a secret >> cabal that sits behind the curtains pulling the strings. >> > The assembla space where the tickets are being stored is completely viewable > by everybody and I can add whoever is interested in participating directly > as members as well to the space. > >> While we all may not agree on direction or aims (and some of us might >> get a little vitriolic now and then), we should atleast allow all points >> of view to be heard on the list. The atmosphere will be significantly >> different from a closed list inside a company (or other such >> institution) and that's part of the "fun". > > Something I'm only too aware of. Since the topic of management and company > has come up on more than one occassion - let me address it head on. I am > just as geeky as everyone else on this community and if you want to find > that out just encourage me to get into a OS or language mobile platform > debates. However given a responsibility (true in the case of inpycon), I > tend to take an edge of my attitude. Sure I love the unstructured way of > doing things - but I see the point also in how some formal structures and > practices can indeed be helpful (they didn't get discovered/invented because > they were useless). > >> >> Personal attacks, sarcasm, >> snide comments and outright accusations will be there > > Thats one thing I will always be unclear about its efficacy. One has no > idea, how many users get put off by that and hence do not participate, and > how much bigger the ecosystem could've been. So as a cultural trait, I am > not sure if it is for the best. I made the point I wanted to, and its best > to move on. > >> >> but the point is >> to make sure that the overall aim of conducting the event is >> not >> affected and to make sure that people who just come on to troll don't >> upset the peopl who are doing all the work. >> > Unreservedly agree. > >> >> Unstructured open fora sometimes tend to be chaotic (and that's why we >> need a benevolent dictator). >> > > Dhananjay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 09:42:27 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:12:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> >> Regardless of which tool you use for issue tracking, one thing I must >> *heavily* emphasise is that the mailing list (and a bunch of wiki pages) >> should be the main vehicles for coordination, discussion and decision >> making. >> > > Sure, I shall try to set up a "hose-pipe" from the task tracking into the > mailing list. Please be prepared for some low level fine grained emails as > well (eg. task got reassigned from A to B). > While I might have to send a few (hopefully no more than 5) > trial/registration messages to this mailing list. I trust that can be > overlooked. Even the messages will have a reply-to pointing to the specific > ticket id which will get incorporated as comments against the specific > ticket (example : pycon-india-2011+@tickets.assembla.com). > What we need to ensure is that mails originating from > pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (which is how the mails will be > sourced) be allowed to be posted to this mailing list. I hope except for > minor inconveniences in the brief transition things should continue to be > comfortable for all. > > The hosepipe to this mailing list is turned on and as far as I can tell, all ticket activities will get streamed to this mailing list. The mailing list administrators will need to enable pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.comas a valid source email id in case there are any email id based validations at source. Replying to these emails directly should also directly update the ticket data by inserting the content as comments (though be careful if you are not directly replying to a reply/forward of the mail that came from assembla - in which case the reply-to would've been set to someone else). -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com Tue Feb 15 09:31:48 2011 From: pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 08:31:48 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] [Assembla] Dhananjay Nene invites you to join the team for "Pycon India 2011" Message-ID: <4d5a39f446adf_28171555555911bc296fc@a1.assembla.com.tmail> Hi , Dhananjay Nene has created an account for you to join the team for Pycon India 2011. 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Please be prepared for some low level fine grained emails as >> well (eg. task got reassigned from A to B). >> While I might have to send a few (hopefully no more than 5) >> trial/registration messages to this mailing list. I trust that can be >> overlooked. Even the messages will have a reply-to pointing to the specific >> ticket id which will get incorporated as comments against the specific >> ticket (example : pycon-india-2011+@tickets.assembla.com). >> What we need to ensure is that mails originating from >> pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (which is how the mails will be >> sourced) be allowed to be posted to this mailing list. I hope except for >> minor inconveniences in the brief transition things should continue to be >> comfortable for all. >> >> Correction inline in the following line. > The hosepipe to this mailing list is turned on and as far as I can tell, > all ticket activities will get streamed to this mailing list. The mailing > list administrators will need to enable > pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com as a valid source email id in case > there are any email id based validations at source. Replying to these emails > directly should also directly update the ticket data by inserting the > content as comments (though be careful if you are *not*directly replying to a reply/forward of the mail that > *originally *came from assembla - in which case the > reply-to would've been set to someone else). > > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you elaborate? > Also > I am assuming Day 1 in this case would be a Friday - is that a valid > assumption? valid -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 09:58:50 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:28:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297760330.6571.62.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 12:35 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Other good speakers that come to mind are Raymond Hettinger (core > Python), Ian Bicking(infrastructure, web, packaging), Michael > Foord(testing), David Beazley (concurrency). try for Russell Keith-Magee -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 09:59:47 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:29:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297760387.6571.63.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 12:43 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > > The general use of Python in India as far as I can tell is for web > > related programming so perhaps some notable from the Django, Pinax, > > Pylons etc. communities? > > > Another significant use I've seen of Python (at least in Pune) is for > data > analysis, amongst the maths/stats and science community. So if you run > across someone from scipy/numpy, that might also be interesting. they will be there -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 10:04:55 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:34:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297760695.6571.65.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 13:15 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > While we all may not agree on direction or aims (and some of us might > get a little vitriolic now and then), we should atleast allow all > points > of view to be heard on the list. The atmosphere will be significantly > different from a closed list inside a company (or other such > institution) and that's part of the "fun". Personal attacks, sarcasm, > snide comments and outright accusations will be there but the point is > to make sure that the overall aim of conducting the event is not > affected and to make sure that people who just come on to troll don't > upset the peopl who are doing all the work. +1 - and so far, in 2 years or more, no one has walked out in a huff. This is a record for India. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From b.ghose at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 10:07:15 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:37:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: <1297760695.6571.65.camel@localhost> References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> <1297760695.6571.65.camel@localhost> Message-ID: > This is a record for India. [citation needed] Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 10:08:37 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:38:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> <1297760695.6571.65.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297760917.6571.66.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 14:37 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > > This is a record for India. > > [citation needed] the very fact that both of us are still here is enough citation ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 10:11:43 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:41:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 14:12:27 +0530") References: <871v39oi4t.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87sjvpmzlc.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > The mailing > list administrators will need to enable > pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.comas a valid source email id in case > there are any email id based validations > at source. [...] I've subscribed the email address to the list. -- From pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com Tue Feb 15 10:13:25 2011 From: pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (lawgon) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 09:13:25 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] [Pycon-india-2011] #4: mention of ipss on the site References: Message-ID: <4d5a43b5afec1_7ac41555555911bc191678a1@db.assembla.com.tmail> Ticket alert by lawgon in space Pycon India 2011 ( reply ABOVE this line ) ............................................................................. ------------------+---------------------------------------------------------- Reporter: lawgon | Owner: Status: New | Priority: Normal (3) Milestone: | Component: ------------------+---------------------------------------------------------- The IPSS should be mentioned on the site with a link to http://ipss.org.in ............................................................................. 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To create a new ticket, the email id is : * pycon-india-2011 at tickets.assembla.com* It seems the mail sender needs to be a registered user of assembla at the minimum for this to work. So it is likely that the active participants / commenters may need to register on assembla using the same email id as on the pycon mailing list, (even if they don't explicitly join the Pycon 2011 group) for email based integration to work. (Sending an email from an unregistered id did not work). -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene ............................................................................. More details at: http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/5 -- Assembla | Knowledge and Tools for agile teams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <4d5a44b4e76cb_7ac41555555911bc19208360@db.assembla.com.tmail> References: <4d5a44b4e76cb_7ac41555555911bc19208360@db.assembla.com.tmail> Message-ID: Testing reply by email. 2011/2/15 Dhananjay Nene > *Ticket* alert by Dhananjay Nene in space Pycon > India 2011 ( reply ABOVE > this line ) > #5: This is a test of ticket creation by mail. Reporter: dnene > Component: > Priority: Normal (3) Owner: > Status: New > Milestone: > > *Comment:* > This is a test. Please ignore. 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On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:15 PM, lawgon < pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com> wrote: > *Message* alert by lawgon in > space Pycon India 2011 ( > reply ABOVE this line ) > > On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 09:34 +0000, satyaakam goswami wrote: > > User alert by satyaakam goswami in space Pycon India 2011 > > can we filter this kind of stuff out - maybe send it to twitter where > people apparently specialise in this kind of stuff? > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > More details > > *Assembla* | Knowledge, Tools, and Talent for agile teams > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Hopefully the alerts should now be > restricted to > ticket activities and reports only. we have a pycon account on twitter - all these alerts will do good to work up a trend. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com Tue Feb 15 11:05:58 2011 From: pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (Pycon India 2011) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:05:58 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Summary for Pycon India 2011 at Tue, Feb 15 03PM Message-ID: <4d5a500695150_589c1555555919b4440ee@db1.assembla.com.tmail> alert in space Pycon India 2011 TICKETS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: #5: This is a test of ticket creation by mail. http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/5?comment=13775662#comment:13775662 Re: #3: Should the website remain the same as Pycon 2010 or should things be changed? http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/3?comment=13775509#comment:13775509 #5: This is a test of ticket creation by mail. http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/5 Re: #3: Should the website remain the same as Pycon 2010 or should things be changed? http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/3?comment=13775379#comment:13775379 #4: mention of ipss on the site http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/4 Re: #2: Create a group for pune volunteers and a mailing list to coordinate tasks across all of them http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/2?comment=13775305#comment:13775305 -- Assembla | Knowledge and Tools for agile teams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One > option is to use the same issue tracker for managing the conference. > Anand While there is an ticket that was created earlier, https://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/3-should-the-website-remain-the-same-as-pycon-2010-or-should-things-be-changed-I am closing it in favour of continuing discussions here. Unless there are specific suggestions or remarks as to why the website should be done differently by February 16th end of day, I suggest we proceed with Anand C continuing to run the in.pycon.org website. Kenneth and Anand C to coordinate with respect to the topic of the reference to IPSS Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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One > option is to use the same issue tracker for managing the conference. > Anand > > While there is an ticket that was created earlier, https://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/3-should-the-website-remain-the-same-as-pycon-2010-or-should-things-be-changed- I am closing it in favour of continuing discussions here. Unless there are specific suggestions or remarks as to why the website should be done differently by February 16th end of day, I suggest we proceed with Anand C continuing to run the in.pycon.org website. Kenneth and Anand C to coordinate with respect to the topic of the reference to IPSS > > Dhananjay > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We can ask however. We might be able to > ask some of the other core Django people or maybe the Pinax chaps like > James Tauber or someone. I'm not really into Django so I don't know > who'd be good. > > Armin's an awesome hacker but he's very young and I don't know if he can > really pull off a keynote. It's the same reason why I didn't suggest > Alex Gaynor. > > Also, English is not his mother tongue so the presentation quality might > suffer a little. The same reason why I didn't suggest Tarek (of > distutils2 fame). > > Another person I can think of that can *really* liven a conference is > the PSF chairman Steve Holden. He's got a knack for making things come > to life and would considerably change the general mood of the event. > Would be great to have him! Raymond Hettinger is one of the most valuable Python developers in terms of his range and depth of contributions and his remarkable consistency in adding high-performance modules to the stdlib. Would be an ideal fit for our conf, if he agrees to come. IMHO, let us try and get core Python devs for keynote. No offence meant, but inviting a non-core contributor from one of the other projects, will give the idea that the conf is not a generic Python conference, the first hour of the first day itself. As a side-note, do we want to go for PSF sponsorship this time for the foreign delegate ? Considering the hoops we went through last time to get the money refunded to David from PSF, I would be very relieved if we can avoid this. > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 11:40:31 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:10:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Assembla and discussions In-Reply-To: References: <87k4h1mz4g.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 3:45 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > > It should be a "Decide website software" item and the actual details of >>> what to use, who will host etc. should be an email thread here. >>> >>> This is my personal view but I think it'll work better than way. >>> >>> Ok. Unless there is a contrary opinion, we will use the mailing list for >> issues and assembla for task tracking >> >> Dhananjay >> >> The assembla tickets trying to *re invent the wheel* . Tasks like create a > new mailing list, new web site etc are not required. The > inpycon at python.org is the volunteer mailing list and we have a good nice > web site. I think this can be customized for 2011 . > > Planing includes analysis of existing reusable components too > I was documenting these as issues to be resolved. Based on feedback, I've already responded we could restrict assembla to task tracking and will not use it for issue tracking. However I am not sure of the "analysis of existing" comment. a. The matter of website was raised on the mailing list. I just documented that as a matter to be discussed. I even specifically stated that I could not see any reason to not continue with status quo. b. At no point in time the mailing list itself was also questioned. What was questioned on one of the issues is whether the mailing list should be subjected to fine granularity updates which are likely once we put task tracking in place. Even the issue of an alternative mailing list specifically acknowledged that the potential overlap with the mailing list and that that would need to be sorted out. For now it seems like we shall continue to use the current mailing list for all volunteer communication too - something that I am entirely comfortable with. c. What I was and am keen on is to have a tracking system in place. This is so that there is a clearly visible list of items that we need to focus on and that we do not drop items accidentally from the todo list. Also people should get a clearly visible information about important elements in the progress of a task in a consolidated manner. Moreover if there is slippage, we should have a mechanism to get alerted and feel alarmed about it as well. Many of these are not feasible on a mailing list. Obviously there were matters related to the integration of the task tracking and the mailing list - matters which I believe we have made reasonable progress in terms of resolving and we shall continue to do so as feasible. Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No offence > meant, but inviting a non-core contributor from one of the other > projects, will give the idea that the conf is not a generic > Python conference, the first hour of the first day itself. > > As a side-note, do we want to go for PSF sponsorship this time for > the foreign delegate ? Considering the hoops we went through last time > to get the money refunded to David from PSF, I would be very relieved > if we can avoid this. > > Whats the financial impact of this in approximate terms ? Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 11:45:24 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:15:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Issue / Task Tracking for Pycon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Lakshmi Vyas wrote: > Unless there are specific suggestions or remarks > > > Since most of the structure is in place, its probably best to continue > based on > the existing website. > > +1. My suggestion is to go with existing site and theme it differently by changing the CSS, page layouts and the images running in a loop on the first page. (Put images from Pycon 2010 for example). Let us not spend time creating a new site from scratch. We are in the business of organizing a conference, not building out new websites for the conference every year. I also would like this process to be as short as possible, so that I can do the CFPs starting March itself. Need the website to be ready before that. 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No offence >> meant, but inviting a non-core contributor from one of the other >> projects, will give the idea that the conf is not a generic >> Python conference, the first hour of the first day itself. >> >> As a side-note, do we want to go for PSF sponsorship this time for >> the foreign delegate ? Considering the hoops we went through last time >> to get the money refunded to David from PSF, I would be very relieved >> if we can avoid this. >> >> Whats the financial impact of this in approximate terms ? > Calclate at 1.5 L per person all inclusive. We may be able to scale it down.... > > Dhananjay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Ramdas S +91 9342 583 065 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No offence >> meant, but inviting a non-core contributor from one of the other >> projects, will give the idea that the conf is not a generic >> Python conference, the first hour of the first day itself. >> >> As a side-note, do we want to go for PSF sponsorship this time for >> the foreign delegate ? Considering the hoops we went through last time >> to get the money refunded to David from PSF, I would be very relieved >> if we can avoid this. >> >> Whats the financial impact of this in approximate terms ? > PSF gave 1K dollars, but I think our net expenses came to approximately double that. Sree can clarify this. > > Dhananjay > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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No offence >>> meant, but inviting a non-core contributor from one of the other >>> projects, will give the idea that the conf is not a generic >>> Python conference, the first hour of the first day itself. >>> >>> As a side-note, do we want to go for PSF sponsorship this time for >>> the foreign delegate ? Considering the hoops we went through last time >>> to get the money refunded to David from PSF, I would be very relieved >>> if we can avoid this. >>> >>> Whats the financial impact of this in approximate terms ? >> > > Calclate at 1.5 L per person all inclusive. We may be able to scale it > down.... > If thats an impact we have to bear, will it come from some existing fund, or have we accounted for it in terms of additional sponsorships ? If not how does one budget it ? Dhananjay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We don't *need* PSF funding to bring someone but it's nice to formally associated with them for the event. -- From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 11:54:17 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:24:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:17:24 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <877hd1muue.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > If thats an impact we have to bear, will it come from some existing > fund, or have we accounted for it in terms of additional sponsorships > ? If not how does one budget it ? [...] It's part of the budget. I sent out an email earlier to the list with approx. budget calculations. We get sponsors in brackets with different amounts rather than have them sponsor "a foreign delegate". We just factor in the cost to bring a person into the budget when we make it. We have some cash left over. I don't know how much. We have to go for additional sponsorships anyway. -- From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 11:55:51 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:25:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Assembla and discussions In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:10:31 +0530") References: <87k4h1mz4g.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8739npmurs.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > - matters which I believe we have made reasonable progress in terms of > resolving and we shall continue to do so as feasible. [...] Makes sense. Let's let it run for a few weeks and if it looks like it's more trouble than it's worth, we'll switch to something else. -- From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 11:56:11 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 16:26:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 16:17 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > If thats an impact we have to bear, will it come from some existing > fund, or > have we accounted for it in terms of additional sponsorships ? If not > how > does one budget it ? who all are talking to potential sponsors? I had three on the hook (2 are tamilnadu specific so can be revisited when the conference comes here), the third is a possibility - I cannot say more at present. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com Tue Feb 15 12:06:14 2011 From: pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (Pycon India 2011) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 11:06:14 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Summary for Pycon India 2011 at Tue, Feb 15 04PM Message-ID: <4d5a5e26f3688_77531555555919b4620e4@db1.assembla.com.tmail> alert in space Pycon India 2011 TICKETS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: #3: Should the website remain the same as Pycon 2010 or should things be changed? status changed from Accepted to Invalid http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/3?comment=13777749#comment:13777749 -- Assembla | Knowledge and Tools for agile teams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 12:52:46 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 17:22:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Milestones and Task list Message-ID: All, As I start composing the task list, one of the first things that we need to define is the specific set of milestones. I propose two at the moment - Bootstrapping (ending Feb 28th) and Ramping up (ending March 31st). Admittedly these are driven by the software (since tasks get linked to milestones). The remainder tasks should be linked to "Later" or "No milestone to be defined as yet". Some of the questions I may raise hear might trample upon things already discussed on this mailing list over the last 8 months. I wasn't particularly attentive then - so kindly indulge me and bring me upto speed wherever found necessary. Here's a brief listing of tasks I could come up with based on the Wiki. I have applied my mind only briefly in terms of additional tasks. So more could get identified. What I need assistance with is the following. a. If we could document what has already been done in that respect - we could use that as the known starting point. b. If you think that task should get completed by Feb End or March End - just a quick indication would be helpful. If you think a "part" of that task should be done before Feb End or March End - again that would be helfpul. As of now I am not scheduling any tasks beyond that. That is simply a short term measure. We shall get around to scheduling them eventually. c. If you can identify any tasks that are not listed. Tasks - Decide dates - Feb End (actually preferably even before). - Decide venue - I believe Feb End ideally but wonder if it could be a challenge. - Get website ready - I believe Feb End - Initial volunteer group identification and kick off - Feb End. - Seek and finalise sponsorships. - Decide foreign delegate. Associated matter : Should funding come from PSF? - Feb End again ? - Issue CFP - March End ? - Filter CFP and decide final schedule - Create Budget (from Noufal's response on another thread - seems that has been done. Need to catch up). - Media support - We should have a candidate set of contacts, blogs, sites, people listed to help create a consistent media presence to publicly support as necessary. - Decide Wifi configuration and sourcing of needed equipment and bandwidth. We should have at least one round of discussion on this by Feb End. - Decide coordinators for delegates, sponsors, logistics, CFP and speakers - Feb End. - Review accomodation possibility and document recommendations for people traveling into pune - March end ? - Evaluate and decide on an A/V Vendor. Task should ideally including uploading videos as well (though not sure if the vendors will have enough experience to manage this). - Online registration and billing system. This is actually a sub point to the website. Do we go with the same or should we continue with the arrangements last year (this is an issue not a task) - Feb End for deciding. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 13:49:18 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:19:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Milestones and Task list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Dhananjay, If you don't mind can you set your email client to word-wrap at 72-80 columns or so ? I need to resize my browser to almost the whole width of the display to read your emails now. --Anand On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 5:22 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > All, > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From rmathews at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 14:14:55 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:44:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] On the nature of discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:38, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue > based and non-personal. * > > Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are conducted > directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a route > completely bypassing this mailing list. Fwiw, +1 Sending flames direct to the person concerned instead of the list, might help. -- http://about.me/rosh From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 15:26:31 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:56:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Flames [OT] (was: Re: On the nature of discussions) In-Reply-To: (Roshan Mathews's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:44:55 +0530") References: Message-ID: <877hd1jrvs.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:38, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue >> based and non-personal. * >> >> Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are conducted >> directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a route >> completely bypassing this mailing list. > > Fwiw, +1 > > Sending flames direct to the person concerned instead of the list, > might help. One of the places I worked for earlier had (and still has) a "flames" mailing list which people can use to just vent. It was an archived list and I've spent many a lonely night revisiting old battlefields between greats. A 5 or 6 year old archive of completely combustible material. 'twas a volcano. -- From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 15:31:15 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:01:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Flames [OT] (was: Re: On the nature of discussions) In-Reply-To: <877hd1jrvs.fsf_-_@gmail.com> References: <877hd1jrvs.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Roshan Mathews wrote: > > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:38, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > >> * All discussions (and especially direct attacks) must be entirely issue > >> based and non-personal. * > >> > >> Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are > conducted > >> directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a > route > >> completely bypassing this mailing list. > > > > Fwiw, +1 > > > > Sending flames direct to the person concerned instead of the list, > > might help. > If the poster is "on fire", then he in the heat of the moment, typically does a "reply all". Foresight is not a virtue which one has in these discussions. Apologies if any are an afterthought :) Personally, I don't mind such posts as long as the language is still civil. One can attack another person quite viciously in content, but still keep the tone below 95 degrees fahrenheit. > > One of the places I worked for earlier had (and still has) a "flames" > mailing list which people can use to just vent. It was an archived list > and I've spent many a lonely night revisiting old battlefields between > greats. > > A 5 or 6 year old archive of completely combustible material. 'twas a > volcano. > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's an example from the master himself. http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emacs/msg/097865417bad4e37 -- From b.ghose at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 15:41:45 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:11:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Flames [OT] In-Reply-To: <87vd0licqo.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877hd1jrvs.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <87vd0licqo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > Sometimes, they're quite eloquent (although *very* scathing). > > Here's an example from the master himself. > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emacs/msg/097865417bad4e37 Ah, the late master. Brings up memories... Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 16:05:17 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 20:35:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Flames [OT] In-Reply-To: <87vd0licqo.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877hd1jrvs.fsf_-_@gmail.com> <87vd0licqo.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:08 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > [...] > >> Personally, I don't mind such posts as long as the language >> is still civil. One can attack another person quite viciously >> in content, but still keep the tone below 95 degrees fahrenheit. > > [...] > > Sometimes, they're quite eloquent (although *very* scathing). > > Here's an example from the master himself. > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.emacs/msg/097865417bad4e37 For any spectator, being able to watch personal attacks leads to an immediate urge for three things. A couch, some popcorn/pretzels and some coke/beer. I think personal attacks make for very interesting reading. I've indulged in them a handful of times with a sense of adrenalin rush immediately after and some deep consternation the morning after. In many cases personal attacks can be viewed as a work of art. Even Erik Naggum's page on wikipedia begins the following way - notice the very second line. Erik Naggum (June 13, 1965 ? June 17, 2009) was a computer programmer widely recognized for his work, particularly in the fields of SGML, Emacs and Lisp. Since the early 1990s he was also a remarkably provoking participant on various Usenet discussion groups.[1] Naggum made significant contributions to RFC 1123,[2] which defines and discusses the requirements for Internet host software, and RFC 2049,[3] which defines electronic information transfer of various binary formats through e-mail. Are they art and do they demonstrate talent. In some cases, certainly so. The question is are they useful art and are they a form of productively deployed talent. I'm afraid this page http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/peace/problem/pattacks.htm sums it up rather well. Inflammatory statements and personal attacks are two of the most common causes of conflict escalation. When people attack other people verbally, those attacked are likely to get especially defensive or angry--much more than they would have had their opponent(s) kept their statements impersonal and focused on the problem. For example, when people are told they, personally, are at fault for a particular situation, or that they are evil or stupid for believing something or advocating a particular action, the person attacked is likely to respond in a very negative way. They are much more likely to dig in their heels and stand firm, refusing to listen to the other side's arguments or consider making compromises or concessions. They will just reject the other side as unreasonable, and ignore anything they have to say. When situations are exaggerated or emotional, negative statements are made about the opponent for the purpose of arousing support for one's own cause, the result is likely to increase support for both sides. Those making the inflammatory statements will not only increase support for their own side; they are also likely to increase their opponent's support as well, as people who realize that the statements are an unfair exaggeration will side with the party being accused, rather than the accuser. The result will not be a change in the relative support of one's own group (or in one's power relative to the other side), but rather an overall escalation of the conflict, which will make it more difficult for both sides to get what they need. In summary - personal attacks even if interesting and exciting, largely deter from getting work done. Especially if there is some common objective to be achieved. Dhananjay From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:21:41 2011 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 22:51:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> Message-ID: FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies to hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 16:17 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > If thats an impact we have to bear, will it come from some existing > > fund, or > > have we accounted for it in terms of additional sponsorships ? If not > > how > > does one budget it ? > > who all are talking to potential sponsors? 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Discussions related to sponsorships http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2011-January/ and http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2011-February/ . These contain references to the sponsorship prospectus : http://nibrahim.net.in/prospectus.pdf If there is something else important that I would've missed kindly flag that off. I would like the team to be as aware of the current state as possible. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:30:40 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:00:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Diptanu Choudhury wrote: > FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies to > hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D I do recollect reading about some talk at the rubyconf in bangalore last year where the organisers had to step in to apprise the speaker of some local sensitivities especially regarding vocabulary. I might've got the specifics wrong, but I'm sure something along similar lines did happen :) Dhananjay From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:39:36 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:09:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:00:40 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Diptanu Choudhury > wrote: >> FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies to >> hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D [...] I have a high opinion of him. He's a polygot programmer and while abrassive, his points of view are usually sound. If there's interest, we can ask him. Opinions? -- From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:41:43 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:11:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Diptanu Choudhury >> wrote: >>> FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies to >>> hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D > > [...] > > I have a high opinion of him. He's a polygot programmer and while > abrassive, his points of view are usually sound. > > If there's interest, we can ask him. Opinions? +1. I have high respect for him as a programmer. Just that some upfront awareness of local context might be called for. > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From ramdaz at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:42:44 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:12:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Diptanu Choudhury wrote: > FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies to > hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 16:17 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> > If thats an impact we have to bear, will it come from some existing >> > fund, or >> > have we accounted for it in terms of additional sponsorships ? If not >> > how >> > does one budget it ? >> >> who all are talking to potential sponsors? I had three on the hook (2 >> are tamilnadu specific so can be revisited when the conference comes >> here), the third is a possibility - I cannot say more at present. >> -- >> regards >> Kenneth Gonsalves >> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > Diptanu & others, One way most conferences get International speakers is coordinating with their local offices or associate offices, and scheduling their visit to coincide with the conference. If there's someone whom you feel in one of your overseas offices who makes sense to be at Pycon, you can ask your office to actually to schedule it that way. Check whether there's someone at Thoughtworks who can be brought in thru this route. I know several other companies such as Google, IBM etc where there are several known Pythonistas who may be as we speak working with some local teams. In such cases the companies are happy to schedule a visit and bring them down to India. We may be willing to take care of their local commute and stay. Zed Shaw should be cool, after all he has written Lamson ad Mongrel.. Also the book Python the Hard way -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin.nitjece at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:45:09 2011 From: admin.nitjece at gmail.com (Diptanu Choudhury) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:15:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hey Dhananjay, You are right about the RubyConf incident, but hey they are different people. Zed usually talks about technology be it good or bad, but the other person in RubyConf went off-topic! On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:11 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:09 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Diptanu Choudhury > >> wrote: > >>> FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies > to > >>> hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D > > > > [...] > > > > I have a high opinion of him. He's a polygot programmer and while > > abrassive, his points of view are usually sound. > > > > If there's interest, we can ask him. Opinions? > > +1. I have high respect for him as a programmer. 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Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 18:51:28 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:21:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:15 PM, Diptanu Choudhury wrote: > Hey Dhananjay, > You are right about the RubyConf incident, but hey they are different > people. Zed usually talks about technology be it good or bad, but the other > person in RubyConf went off-topic! > >From what I recollect - it was about repeated use of the F word, not about the content. But my recollection is vague - so I could be wrong. From b.ghose at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 19:03:44 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:33:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > From what I recollect - it was about repeated use of the F word, not > about the content. But my recollection is vague - so I could be wrong. Nevertheless, I see no reason to interrupt the speaker just because he was using the "dreaded" F-word. That word is very common in their culture (and increasingly ours) and even though we can establish some guidelines about language beforehand it's not a serious enough "crime" to rebuke the speaker repeatedly in front of the audience. AFAIK the event was organised by a company and they had their own reasons about handling the situation in that manner. We can't judge potential speakers by their probability of discharging "F-bombs". Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 19:08:23 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:38:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:21 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: >> From what I recollect - it was about repeated use of the F word, not >> about the content. But my recollection is vague - so I could be wrong. > > Nevertheless, I see no reason to interrupt the speaker just because he > was using the "dreaded" F-word. That word is very common in their > culture (and increasingly ours) and even though we can establish some > guidelines about language beforehand it's not a serious enough "crime" > to rebuke the speaker repeatedly in front of the audience. > > AFAIK the event was organised by a company and they had their own > reasons about handling the situation in that manner. > > We can't judge potential speakers by their probability of discharging "F-bombs". > I am a little concerned about F-bombs, but its not a particularly big issue for me. I can imagine myself being culturally sensitive to some other aspects which could be interpreted as being politically incorrect in a western milieu, in a western setting. But thats just me. So if the group as a whole is comfortable with it, I can tag along. From pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com Tue Feb 15 19:09:06 2011 From: pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:09:06 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] [Pycon-india-2011] Re: #5: This is a test of ticket creation by mail. References: Message-ID: <4d5ac142685e9_7ac41555555911bc2340836d@db.assembla.com.tmail> Ticket alert by Dhananjay Nene in space Pycon India 2011 ( reply ABOVE this line ) ............................................................................. -------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- Reporter: dnene | Owner: Status: Invalid | Priority: Normal (3) Milestone: | Component: -------------------+--------------------------------------------------------- Changes (by Dhananjay Nene): * status: New => Invalid Comment: This was a test ticket with a test comment. Being closed as no longer useful. ............................................................................. 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Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 19:14:35 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 23:44:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:38 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: >> I am a little concerned about F-bombs, but its not a particularly big >> issue for me. > > We can just publish a set of guidelines for speakers and be done with > it. There is no point judging people like that... Wasn't attempting to judge in the sense you probably understood. To quote from one of my comments "+1. I have high respect for him as a programmer. Just that some upfront awareness of local context might be called for." 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So > everyone has received a burst of emails I am so deeply sorry for. > > I have decided for the moment not to do any more updates in terms of > deleting the duplicates/triplicates out there to prevent further > annoyance - we'll delete them later (either someone else can do it or > I'll get a new mouse tomorrow). [...] The mailing is quite distracting. Also, it sends the email from pycon-india...whatever but uses e.g. your name when mailing which is quite annoying. I think you should turn off mailing entirely and just use it as a task tracker that people an check or maybe opt for personal emails. -- From pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com Tue Feb 15 20:05:18 2011 From: pycon-india-2011 at alerts.assembla.com (Pycon India 2011) Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 19:05:18 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Hourly Summary for Pycon India 2011 at Wed, Feb 16 12AM Message-ID: <4d5ace6e41ec4_c9e1555555919b420f1@db1.assembla.com.tmail> alert in space Pycon India 2011 TICKETS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Re: #21: Design a media support plan http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/21?comment=13799423#comment:13799423 Re: #21: Design a media support plan status changed from New to Invalid http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/21?comment=13799421#comment:13799421 Re: #25: Decide coordinators status changed from New to Invalid http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/25?comment=13799407#comment:13799407 Re: #25: Decide coordinators http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/25?comment=13799409#comment:13799409 Re: #25: Decide coordinators http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/25?comment=13799411#comment:13799411 Re: #24: Decide coordinators status changed from New to Invalid http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/24?comment=13799391#comment:13799391 #27: Evaluate and decide on A/V Vendor http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/27 #28: Evaluate and decide on A/V Vendor http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/28 #26: Review accomodation options and create visitor assistance wiki page http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/26 #25: Decide coordinators http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/25 #23: Decide coordinators http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/23 #24: Decide coordinators http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/24 #22: Decide final site wifi configuration http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/22 #19: Design a media support plan http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/19 #20: Design a media support plan http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/20 #21: Design a media support plan http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/21 #18: Create Budget http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/18 #16: Create Budget http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/16 #17: Create Budget http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/17 #15: Filter CFP and decide final schedule http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/15 #12: Issue CFP http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/12 #13: Issue CFP http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/13 #14: Issue CFP http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/14 #11: Decide foreign delegate http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/11 #10: Decide foreign delegate http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/10 #9: Seek and finalise sponsorships http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/9 #8: Volunteer kickoff http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/8 #7: Prepare website http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/7 #6: Decide Venue http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/6 Re: #5: This is a test of ticket creation by mail. status changed from New to Invalid http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/tickets/5?comment=13798693#comment:13798693 -- Assembla | Knowledge and Tools for agile teams -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 20:05:44 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:35:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Deepest Apologies for spamming the mailing list. In-Reply-To: <87vd0lgm8j.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lgm8j.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > >> I had modified the settings to not send out the emails one at a time >> but send out a digest instead as I created many tasks. In addition my >> mouse currently is malfunctioning and double/triple clicking. So >> everyone has received a burst of emails I am so deeply sorry for. >> >> I have decided for the moment not to do any more updates in terms of >> deleting the duplicates/triplicates out there to prevent further >> annoyance - we'll delete them later (either someone else can do it or >> I'll get a new mouse tomorrow). > > [...] > > The mailing is quite distracting. Also, it sends the email from > pycon-india...whatever but uses e.g. your name when mailing which is > quite annoying. > > I think you should turn off mailing entirely and just use it as a task > tracker that people an check or maybe opt for personal emails. > Turning it off. I think it uses the name of the person who carried out the activity resulting in the mail. From ramdaz at gmail.com Tue Feb 15 20:08:12 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 00:38:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Deepest Apologies for spamming the mailing list. In-Reply-To: <87vd0lgm8j.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lgm8j.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > I had modified the settings to not send out the emails one at a time > > but send out a digest instead as I created many tasks. In addition my > > mouse currently is malfunctioning and double/triple clicking. So > > everyone has received a burst of emails I am so deeply sorry for. > > > > I have decided for the moment not to do any more updates in terms of > > deleting the duplicates/triplicates out there to prevent further > > annoyance - we'll delete them later (either someone else can do it or > > I'll get a new mouse tomorrow). > > [...] > > The mailing is quite distracting. Also, it sends the email from > pycon-india...whatever but uses e.g. your name when mailing which is > quite annoying. > > I think you should turn off mailing entirely and just use it as a task > tracker that people an check or maybe opt for personal emails. > > Yes, please please turn it off. I was stunned to see some 25 mails from Nene. Please use mailing list only for communication. The task list can be used as an activity just for key members. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at lonetwin.net Tue Feb 15 20:33:46 2011 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 01:03:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <1297760330.6571.62.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <4D5AD51A.6040206@lonetwin.net> On 02/15/2011 02:43 PM, kausikram krishnasayee wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves > wrote: > > On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 12:35 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Other good speakers that come to mind are Raymond Hettinger (core > > Python), Ian Bicking(infrastructure, web, packaging), Michael > > Foord(testing), David Beazley (concurrency). > > try for Russell Keith-Magee > > > TurboGears - Kevin Dangoor :) > I don't know who all are attending the PyCon, but I'd like to see of the core developers of the Pyramid project[1] (Ben Bangert, ChrisMcDonough...etc). Technology aside (which is simply excellent !) the community around Pylons, repoze and TurboGears showed immense maturity in merging their individual projects[2]. cheers, - steve [1] http://pylonsproject.org/ [2] http://lists.repoze.org/pipermail/repoze-dev/2010-November/003619.html http://compoundthinking.com/blog/index.php/2010/12/28/turbogears-joins-the-pylons-project/ -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 03:06:40 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 07:36:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] On the nature of discussions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1297822000.6571.90.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 18:44 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > > Of course personal attacks should be welcomed so long as they are > conducted > > directly between the mailboxes of the sender and the recipient in a > route > > completely bypassing this mailing list. > > Fwiw, +1 > > Sending flames direct to the person concerned instead of the list, > might help. personal flames will never help - offlist or onlist. Flames only help if they are onlist -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 05:47:36 2011 From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:17:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > Raymond Hettinger is one of the most valuable Python developers >> > in terms of his range and depth of contributions and his remarkable > consistency in adding high-performance modules to the stdlib. Would > be an ideal fit for our conf, if he agrees to come. > > How about AM Kuchling ?? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the crux of the matter is what we want the keyword speaker to talk about. - If it is the Python community, look at people like Steve Holden, Aahz, Kuchling etc. - If it is core Python dev, look at key devs like Antoine, Hettinger, Tarek etc. - If it is projects which are using the Python platform like Django, TG etc look at their devs. - If it is just anyone, do a random selection and go for those people who happen to be here during Sep, like Ramdas said. It is quite practical and reduces our overheads and expenses. No offense meant, but we can keep throwing names around till kingdom come and never reach an agreement because we are talking of apples and grapes. My suggestion is, decide what we want to "project as a keyword theme" and then bring in the names. > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Would >>> be an ideal fit for our conf, if he agrees to come. >>> >>> >> How about AM Kuchling ?? >> > > A Python veteran. > > I think the crux of the matter is what we want > the keyword speaker to talk about. > > - If it is the Python community, look at people like Steve Holden, > Aahz, Kuchling etc. > - If it is core Python dev, look at key devs like Antoine, Hettinger, > Tarek etc. > - If it is projects which are using the Python platform like Django, > TG etc look at their devs. > - If it is just anyone, do a random selection and go for those > people who happen to be here during Sep, like Ramdas said. > It is quite practical and reduces our overheads and expenses. > > No offense meant, but we can keep throwing names around till > kingdom come and never reach an agreement because we are > talking of apples and grapes. My suggestion is, decide what we want > to "project as a keyword theme" and then bring in the names. > Well, s/keyword/keynote/g :) > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > --Anand > > > > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 08:45:25 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:15:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Will be largely away for two days In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Gora Mohanty wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:19 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > > Shall be in full day meetings for the next two days so may not be able > > to participate much in discussions. I will check mail once tomorrow > > night. Hopefully others from Pune will step in and the momentum can > > continue. > > Please do not forget to keep spamming us while your away, > Actually, some activity in the mailing list is not a bad thing. It gives a feeling we are doing something (and hopefully we *are*), and keep people interested. Reminds me of the Surf ad - "Daag acha hai" :) > > Regards, > Gora > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 09:11:29 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:41:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:10:50 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 16 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > - If it is the Python community, look at people like Steve Holden, > Aahz, Kuchling etc. > - If it is core Python dev, look at key devs like Antoine, Hettinger, > Tarek etc. > - If it is projects which are using the Python platform like Django, > TG etc look at their devs. > - If it is just anyone, do a random selection and go for those > people who happen to be here during Sep, like Ramdas said. > It is quite practical and reduces our overheads and expenses. [...] My thoughts. A highly focussed technical talk is not ideal for a keynote. It will be interesting and useful but too heavy for a keynote. We need one person who is familiar with the community and the general state of things for the keynote (this is the reason we got David last time). The same person can give a regular talk later in the conf. on something "heavier". I'd prefer someone from the "Python" community rather that from an external popular project like Django etc. but Python is almost a "web language" in India so I understand the value. Based on this, I think we should prioritise people like Holden, Kuchling etc. If we can't get them, we should try to get someone who's active in a Python sub community (like Django etc.). If our budget permits (and I have a feeling that it will), we might be able to fly in one extra person in which case, we should consider the core Python team (Raymond, Antoine, Bicking etc.) So, in short, the priority list as far as I can tell is 1. Core community people (Holden, Kuchling etc.) 2. Project community people (Jacob Kaplan-Moss etc.) 3. Core technical people (Raymond, Antoine etc.) We can go down the list based on their availabilities and can select multiple people if our budget allows it. Thoughts? -- From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 09:13:41 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:43:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Will be largely away for two days In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2011 13:15:25 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87zkpwe6ru.fsf@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 16 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: [...] > Actually, some activity in the mailing list is not a bad thing. It gives > a feeling we are doing something (and hopefully we *are*), and keep > people interested. Not automated emails. People grow desensitized and don't bother reading things (filter, delete on arrival etc.) if there's a regular stream of mails that they can ignore. [...] -- From steve at lonetwin.net Wed Feb 16 09:49:30 2011 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 14:19:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D5B8F9A.4030101@lonetwin.net> Hi, On 02/16/2011 01:41 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > [...snip...] > My thoughts. > > A highly focussed technical talk is not ideal for a keynote. It will be > interesting and useful but too heavy for a keynote. We need one person > who is familiar with the community and the general state of things for > the keynote (this is the reason we got David last time). > > [...snip...] > So, in short, the priority list as far as I can tell is > > 1. Core community people (Holden, Kuchling etc.) > 2. Project community people (Jacob Kaplan-Moss etc.) > 3. Core technical people (Raymond, Antoine etc.) > > We can go down the list based on their availabilities and can select > multiple people if our budget allows it. > > Thoughts? > > I agree. Just curious since I wasn't paying attention do we have a 'theme' for the conference in general ? I liked David's keynote last year and it set the tempo for the event. I would summarize last year's 'feel' as being a 'get involved with python' event and David's talk was IMHO a good fit (whether intentional or not). So, maybe thinking in terms of a theme for this year's event may help narrow the choice for the keynote speaker. I apologize if this has already been discussed. Feel free to hit me with a loaded URL to the thread. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 11:13:09 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 15:43:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Will be largely away for two days In-Reply-To: <87zkpwe6ru.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87zkpwe6ru.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 1:43 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > [...] > > > Actually, some activity in the mailing list is not a bad thing. It gives > > a feeling we are doing something (and hopefully we *are*), and keep > > people interested. > > Not automated emails. > Ah, well, didn't realize those 50+ unread emails showing from "Dhananjay Nene" were automated emails! I had kept them for reading and replying later :) I agree with you. > > People grow desensitized and don't bother reading things (filter, delete > on arrival etc.) if there's a regular stream of mails that they can > ignore. > > Other side of the coin - once they do that, they kind of actively wait for the next non-automated human email, if they are interested in the list. At least I do this on gmail consistently after purging those regular "update" emails from banks etc. > > [...] > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Hi, I've uploaded the wiki with the sponsorship tiers[0], as there was no way to edit the pdf to change the city from Chennai to Pune. Feel free to use this wikipage while contacting potential sponsors. While on the wiki, I noticed the 2011[1] category listing wiki pages from 2009. Does anyone think this category needs a clean up? [0] http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2011/SponsorShipTiers [1] http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndia2011 -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 16 19:04:00 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 23:34:00 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Added SponsorShipTiers to the wiki. In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?B?IuClpS4g4KS44KWN4KS14KSV4KWN4KS3IOClpS4iJ3M=?= message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2011 17:43:05 +0000") References: Message-ID: <87hbc3c0vj.fsf@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 16 2011, ? ?????? ? wrote: > Hi, > > I've uploaded the wiki with the sponsorship tiers[0], as there was no > way to edit the pdf to change the city from Chennai to Pune. Feel free > to use this wikipage while contacting potential sponsors. The formatting (especially the tiers) looks a little off. I've regenerated the PDF and uploaded it on the site which will be more useful while mailing sponsors than sending a wiki page link. I've attached the "source" for the document here in case anyone wants to edit it. It's an Emacs org-mode file exported via DocBook to PDF. If Dhananjay is fine, I can handle sponsorships and coordinate with people on it. -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... 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Attachments tend to annoy folks who use their phones to check emails and the last thing I want to do is annoy a potential sponsor before starting out of the block. YMMV. -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From vid at svaksha.com Thu Feb 17 04:59:28 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 03:59:28 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Added SponsorShipTiers to the wiki. In-Reply-To: References: <87hbc3c0vj.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > > That was the goal behind putting it on the wiki -- freely editably by s/editably/editable -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 07:15:53 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 11:45:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1297923353.2526.2.camel@localhost> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 13:41 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > 2. Project community people (Jacob Kaplan-Moss etc.) lots of core devs in django who are in Australia - I think it is cheaper to fly from there than US. Which is why I suggested Russell Keith-Magee - he is now practically the leading dev of django and also president of the django foundation. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From vid at svaksha.com Thu Feb 17 10:11:27 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 09:11:27 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <1297923353.2526.2.camel@localhost> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> <1297923353.2526.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 06:15, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 13:41 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> 2. Project community people (Jacob Kaplan-Moss etc.) > > lots of core devs in django who are in Australia - I think it is cheaper > to fly from there than US. Which airline portal did you check that with? I found the opposite is true and here is the estimates for Jacob[0] and Russell[1] Afaik, AU flights to/from India have always been very expensive. [0] http://www.hipmunk.com/results?from=ATL+-+Hartsfield-Jackson&to=Pune%2C+India&s=sg4t6j829ij [1] http://www.hipmunk.com/results?from=PER+-+Perth+International&to=Pune%2C+India&s=sa8j6zkhoov -- Regards, vid ? http://svaksha.com From lawgon at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 11:34:43 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 16:04:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <8762skflfy.fsf@gmail.com> <1297923353.2526.2.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1297938883.2526.17.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 09:11 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: > > lots of core devs in django who are in Australia - I think it is > cheaper > > to fly from there than US. > > Which airline portal did you check that with? I found the opposite is > true and here is the estimates for Jacob[0] and Russell[1] > Afaik, AU flights to/from India have always been very expensive. never been to either place, so will take your word for it -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Thu Feb 17 16:05:47 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 20:35:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] [OT] PuneTech profiles Harshad Oak Message-ID: Harshad Oak is one of the team which made the pitch to host Pycon India 2011 in Pune. While not directly related to Pycon organising, PuneTech just profiled him earlier today. Publishing the URL since some of you might over the coming year interact with him on the list. http://punetech.com/profile-harshad-oak-conferences-tech-portals-and-bringing-technology-to-ngos/ -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 06:53:27 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 11:23:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships Message-ID: Can we take the sponsorship document as is and approach companies ? Is it open to discussion at this stage (since I am joining that particular thread a little late). One of my suggestions is to not pre-specify the number of sponsors in each category. I am also not clear why the number of platinum sponsors has been brought down from 2 to 1 this year. I have started talking to companies. I can see definite interest. It would be good to know that the sponsorship document is the final one and we can take it to companies with that as the reference. Dhananjay From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 07:40:38 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:10:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon Message-ID: We all (Steve, Harshad, BG, Ramki, Navin and Self) had a useful and enthusiastic meeting yesterday late night. I wasn't the one taking notes, so can't post them to the list (they should follow in due course). One of the items discussed was drumming up support for Pycon and Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and thoughts on the same would be useful. Dhananjay -- -------------------------------------------------------- blog: http://blog.dhananjaynene.com twitter: http://twitter.com/dnene From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 08:09:22 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:39:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Assembla user notifications settings Message-ID: Those who are watching the pycon india 2011 space on Assembla, kindly note that if you are getting more or less emails than what you might expect the place to configure what emails you would like to receive and how frequently is on http://www.assembla.com/spaces/pycon-india-2011/stream (top right -> change alert settings). For those who would like to receive all the gory details you can select the "Automatically follow new tickets" and all updates for all the new tickets will be sent to you. If you are interested in the specific happenings on any existing ticket you can also add yourself as a follower to the ticket. Dhananjay From sree at mahiti.org Fri Feb 18 09:08:47 2011 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:38:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Dananjay, On 18 February 2011 12:10, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > One of the items discussed was drumming up support for Pycon and > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and > thoughts on the same would be useful. > Last year as part building up the momentum we did this in engineering colleges in Bangalore. This resulted in lot of those students coming to the conf. Have not tried to take drum up to workplaces though. - sree -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 10:22:05 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:52:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We designed it based on our budget. I think it's final. The top tiers should have a limited number me sponsors. The lower ones can have multiple. I won't be online for most of today. I'll catch up with the discussion tonight. On 2/18/11, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > Can we take the sponsorship document as is and approach companies ? Is > it open to discussion at this stage (since I am joining that > particular thread a little late). > > One of my suggestions is to not pre-specify the number of sponsors in > each category. I am also not clear why the number of platinum sponsors > has been brought down from 2 to 1 this year. > > I have started talking to companies. I can see definite interest. It > would be good to know that the sponsorship document is the final one > and we can take it to companies with that as the reference. > > Dhananjay > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 10:27:41 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 14:57:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:23 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > Can we take the sponsorship document as is and approach companies ? Is > it open to discussion at this stage (since I am joining that > particular thread a little late). > > One of my suggestions is to not pre-specify the number of sponsors in > each category. I am also not clear why the number of platinum sponsors > has been brought down from 2 to 1 this year. > AFAIK, the intention of this is to reduce sponsorship "crowd" at the top. We are a low budget conference, and want to limit any sponsor branding we do to a select few. Last year we had FOSSEE as a platinum sponsor and they got a space on the T-shirt sleeve. It is a balancing act between how much money we want to run things smoothly vs the amount of concessions we are ready to give, considering we are a pure community driven conference. Noufal, correct me if my impressions are wrong. I didn't play an active role in sponsorships last year, so these are just my observations. > I have started talking to companies. I can see definite interest. It > would be good to know that the sponsorship document is the final one > and we can take it to companies with that as the reference. > > Dhananjay > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 16:55:35 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 21:25:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:10:38 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87zkptnxqg.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 18 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > One of the items discussed was drumming up support for Pycon and > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and > thoughts on the same would be useful. I think this would work for colleges (and Sree managed it quite well last year) rather than companies. It's harder to get a foot in the door with the latter. On a related note, we should take special efforts to gather "Python hackers" from the Indian community. Not just new people and for advocacy. People who've done work on Python and related technologies should be sought out, invited and if necessary, pestered till they attend. :) [...] -- From chris.wakare at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 17:31:26 2011 From: chris.wakare at gmail.com (Chris Wakare) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 22:01:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: <87zkptnxqg.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87zkptnxqg.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi All, Drumming up support must include i. Having more developers and companies registering with http://ipss.org.in/members/ ii. Updating the IPSS website to include 'Success Stories' with python - something similar to http://www.python.org/about/success/#xml iii. mailers to college representatives iv. Regular reminder in forums /emails to wait for more information and sign up once the formalities are - I think we should have the publicity logo up and running for 2011 similar to "http://in.pycon.org/2010/publicity" as well as the home page ready no later than March. 5 months then should be a good time to drum up support and registration. v. To get foot into companies, we need to first compile showcase products and profiles of companies ( in India) using Python vi. Not the least - creating an official Pycon India Facebook page Regards, Chris On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Fri, Feb 18 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > [...] > > > > One of the items discussed was drumming up support for Pycon and > > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software > > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if > > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and > > thoughts on the same would be useful. > > I think this would work for colleges (and Sree managed it quite well > last year) rather than companies. It's harder to get a foot in the door > with the latter. > > On a related note, we should take special efforts to gather "Python > hackers" from the Indian community. Not just new people and for > advocacy. People who've done work on Python and related technologies > should be sought out, invited and if necessary, pestered till they > attend. :) > > > > > [...] > > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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There's going to be an interview with Zed at PyCon in Atlanta. http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/02/title-pycon-2011-interview-with-zed.html I *really* think we should consider inviting him. Any naysayers? -- From rmathews at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 02:12:26 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:42:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <877hcxnvy0.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> <877hcxnvy0.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: +1 for inviting Zed. On Feb 18, 2011 10:08 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim" wrote: > On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> On Tue, Feb 15 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> >>> On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Diptanu Choudhury >>> wrote: >>>> FYI, Zed Shaw is going to be there in Atlanta for PyCon. Anyone fancies to >>>> hear him talk our PyCon India keynote? :D >> >> [...] >> >> I have a high opinion of him. He's a polygot programmer and while >> abrassive, his points of view are usually sound. >> >> If there's interest, we can ask him. Opinions? > > There's going to be an interview with Zed at PyCon in Atlanta. > > http://pycon.blogspot.com/2011/02/title-pycon-2011-interview-with-zed.html > > I *really* think we should consider inviting him. Any naysayers? > > -- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 07:30:56 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 12:00:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorships In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298010656.11277.14.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 11:23 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > One of my suggestions is to not pre-specify the number of sponsors in > each category. I am also not clear why the number of platinum sponsors > has been brought down from 2 to 1 this year. it was always 1. but fossee comes in a special category. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 18 09:12:33 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2011 13:42:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298016753.11277.24.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:38 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software > > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if > > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and > > thoughts on the same would be useful. > > > > Last year as part building up the momentum we did this in engineering > colleges in Bangalore. This resulted in lot of those students coming > to the > conf. we did this in Chennai and Coimbatore also > Have not tried to take drum up to workplaces though. we had conducted a couple of workshops in workplaces - but only one person attended the conference from Coimbatore as a result of this. One workshop conducted in Bangalore resulted in a couple of attendees. Workshops were all hands-on teaching python basics. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 07:02:49 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:32:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon post from navin.kabra@gmail.com requires approval In-Reply-To: (inpycon-owner@python.org's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:50:23 +0100") References: Message-ID: <874o80d0ja.fsf@gmail.com> Just to make sure that it reaches the list. On Sat, Feb 19 2011, inpycon-owner at python.org wrote: [...] > From: Navin Kabra Subject: Early thoughts of the Pune team on Pycon 2011 > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:19:42 +0530 > > Hi All, > > We had a meeting of the local Pune InPyCon 2011 team on Thursday night, > where we discussed a number of things, including short-term tasks and task > allotment. > > Here is an overview of what was discussed: > > We felt that we should have a 3 day conference - Friday, Saturday and > Sunday. Friday will be mainly for tutorials introducing people to Python. > Saturday and Sunday will be the main conference. There we're hoping to run 4 > tracks in parallel as follows: > > I: Introductory and Web (this is the newbies/evangelism/101 track) > II: Experienced (this is for pythonistas, with prereqs) > III: Themed tracks > IV: Tutorials, Labs, BOFs etc > > For this conference, we don't want to really focus on the size of the > audience - rather we would like to really try hard to get good quality, > advanced talks. We'll insist on there being enough advanced talks; and > aggressively reject "introductory" talks that can't be accommodated in the > introductory track. It's OK to have advanced talks that expect the audience > to know certain things beforehand, as long as the prerequisites are > explicitly listed in the talk description. We believe this it will be a > challenge to get enough speakers who can talk about advanced topics - so > let's try to think of various creative ways in which to meet this > challenge. > > We'd like longer talks - all talks to be 1 hour. We also want 5 to 10 minute > breaks between talks. One keynote on Saturday, and another keynote on > Sunday. > > As far as dates, it appears that 16-18 Sept, or 23-25 Sept are the main > possibilities. (Before that, Pune will be immobilized by Ganesh Chaturthi, > and afterwards there's Navratri and Gandhi Jayanti.) We'll finalize the > dates after talking with our potential venues. We're going to make first > contact with potential venues next week and we are hoping to have the date > and venue finalized in 2 or 3 weeks. > > Other isuses discussed during the meeting: > > 1. How much to charge? Reference: Pycon 2010 charged 250 for early bird, 350 > for not-so-early bird, and 500 on the spot. Current thinking is to keep it > the same. Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 Tutorials if there are people who > want to attend just that. > > 2. How many people to expect? This needs to be estimated right now so that > we only consider appropriate venues. Reference: Pycon 2010 had about 650 > people on day 1. and 350 on day 2. We're not sure how to estimate the number > of people coming for Pycon Pune, but for now, we're saying that as far as > venue sizing is concerned, we will consider venues where the largest hall > capacity is at least 300+, and there are at least 2 other halls/classrooms. > Having labs would be a bonus. > > 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and maybe > they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was divided > on this topic. [...] -- From navin at smriti.com Sat Feb 19 07:04:25 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:34:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team Message-ID: Hi All, We had a meeting of the local Pune InPyCon 2011 team on Thursday night, and here is an overview of what was discussed: (Note: by "local team" we just mean the first few people that were part of the group that made the InPyCon Pune pitch. Over the next few weeks, we will make a more inclusive effort and create a local team from We felt that we should have a 3 day conference - Friday, Saturday and Sunday. Friday will be mainly for tutorials introducing people to Python. Saturday and Sunday will be the main conference. There we're hoping to run 4 tracks in parallel as follows: I: Introductory and Web (this is the newbies/evangelism/101 track) II: Experienced (this is for pythonistas, with prereqs) III: Themed tracks IV: Tutorials, Labs, BOFs etc For this conference, we don't want to really focus on the size of the audience - rather we would like to really try hard to get good quality, advanced talks. We'll insist on there being enough advanced talks; and aggressively reject "introductory" talks that can't be accommodated in the introductory track. It's OK to have advanced talks that expect the audience to know certain things beforehand, as long as the prerequisites are explicitly listed in the talk description. We believe this it will be a challenge to get enough speakers who can talk about advanced topics - so let's try to think of various creative ways in which to meet this challenge. We'd like longer talks - all talks to be 1 hour. We also want 5 to 10 minute breaks between talks. One keynote on Saturday, and another keynote on Sunday. As far as dates, it appears that 16-18 Sept, or 23-25 Sept are the main possibilities. (Before that, Pune will be immobilized by Ganesh Chaturthi, and afterwards there's Navratri and Gandhi Jayanti.) We'll finalize the dates after talking with our potential venues. We're going to make first contact with potential venues next week and we are hoping to have the date and venue finalized in 2 or 3 weeks. Other isuses discussed during the meeting: 1. How much to charge? Reference: Pycon 2010 charged 250 for early bird, 350 for not-so-early bird, and 500 on the spot. Current thinking is to keep it the same. Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 Tutorials if there are people who want to attend just that. 2. How many people to expect? This needs to be estimated right now so that we only consider appropriate venues. Reference: Pycon 2010 had about 650 people on day 1. and 350 on day 2. We're not sure how to estimate the number of people coming for Pycon Pune, but for now, we're saying that as far as venue sizing is concerned, we will consider venues where the largest hall capacity is at least 300+, and there are at least 2 other halls/classrooms. Having labs would be a bonus. 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and maybe they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was divided on this topic. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 07:15:31 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:45:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298096131.11277.69.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: > 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and > maybe > they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was > divided > on this topic. not really necessary unless the person is already in India. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 07:28:40 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:58:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Summary of PyCon discussion at Pune (was: Inpycon post from navin.kabra@gmail.com requires approval) In-Reply-To: <874o80d0ja.fsf@gmail.com> (Noufal Ibrahim's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:32:49 +0530") References: <874o80d0ja.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8762sgbkrr.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Just to make sure that it reaches the list. > > On Sat, Feb 19 2011, inpycon-owner at python.org wrote: > > > [...] > > >> From: Navin Kabra > Subject: Early thoughts of the Pune team on Pycon 2011 >> Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:19:42 +0530 >> >> Hi All, >> >> We had a meeting of the local Pune InPyCon 2011 team on Thursday night, >> where we discussed a number of things, including short-term tasks and task >> allotment. >> >> Here is an overview of what was discussed: >> >> We felt that we should have a 3 day conference - Friday, Saturday and >> Sunday. Friday will be mainly for tutorials introducing people to >> Python. Saturday and Sunday will be the main conference. There we're >> hoping to run 4 tracks in parallel as follows: Are the tutorials paid for separately (like they do for APAC and the US versions)? The participants would get a traditional "class" on the subjects offered. This means that you'd also have to pay some kind of honorarium to the instructor. >> I: Introductory and Web (this is the newbies/evangelism/101 track) >> II: Experienced (this is for pythonistas, with prereqs) >> III: Themed tracks >> IV: Tutorials, Labs, BOFs etc I'm not sure what you mean by "Themed tracks". All the tracks must be decided based on the same criteria. If it's level, you will have tracks like 'beginner', 'intermediate', 'experienced' etc. If it's subject, you will have 'web', 'testing', 'scientific computing' etc. Mixing between two sets of criteria not only complicates the process of deciding which talk goes into which track. It also confuses the audience e.g. "why is the the Django-101 talk in the web track instead of the introductory one?" etc. Tutorials are covered on on the tutorial day. There doesn't need to be a separate "track". BOFs can go on during the conference as long as there's a room and internet. >> For this conference, we don't want to really focus on the size of the >> audience - rather we would like to really try hard to get good >> quality, advanced talks. We'll insist on there being enough advanced >> talks; and aggressively reject "introductory" talks that can't be >> accommodated in the introductory track. It's OK to have advanced >> talks that expect the audience to know certain things beforehand, as >> long as the prerequisites are explicitly listed in the talk >> description. We believe this it will be a challenge to get enough >> speakers who can talk about advanced topics - so let's try to think >> of various creative ways in which to meet this challenge. +1. We need this. >> We'd like longer talks - all talks to be 1 hour. We also want 5 to 10 >> minute breaks between talks. One keynote on Saturday, and another >> keynote on Sunday. The breaks between talks is very important and true. It presented a serious scheduling challenge last year and we were able to manage only with the portable teleporters that someone dug out from his attic. 1 hour talks don't sound like a good idea to me. It makes presenters relaxed and the talk has a good chance of becoming boring. You've got to have constraints to get out the best in people [1]. We should encourage "short and sweet" (which might sometimes degenerate into "short and boring" - these will at least get over quickly). If we encourage "long and involved", they might degenerate into "long winded" which will totally kill the conference morale. For longer discussions, we should provide facilities for open spaces so that people who are interested in more detailed discussions can have 1 on 1s with the speaker(s). >> As far as dates, it appears that 16-18 Sept, or 23-25 Sept are the >> main possibilities. (Before that, Pune will be immobilized by Ganesh >> Chaturthi, and afterwards there's Navratri and Gandhi Jayanti.) We'll >> finalize the dates after talking with our potential venues. We're >> going to make first contact with potential venues next week and we >> are hoping to have the date and venue finalized in 2 or 3 weeks. Cool. >> Other isuses discussed during the meeting: >> >> 1. How much to charge? Reference: Pycon 2010 charged 250 for early >> bird, 350 for not-so-early bird, and 500 on the spot. Current >> thinking is to keep it the same. Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 >> Tutorials if there are people who want to attend just that. Makes sense. This however depends a little on the food and swag budgets. Ideally, you'd want the registration to cover at least that so that the budget can "scale" with the audience. The other things like venue, wifi etc. need to be covered by the sponsor money. >> 2. How many people to expect? This needs to be estimated right now so >> that we only consider appropriate venues. Reference: Pycon 2010 had >> about 650 people on day 1. and 350 on day 2. We're not sure how to >> estimate the number of people coming for Pycon Pune, but for now, >> we're saying that as far as venue sizing is concerned, we will >> consider venues where the largest hall capacity is at least 300+, and >> there are at least 2 other halls/classrooms. Having labs would be a >> bonus. We'll need to decide on the tracks/BOFs etc. before doing this. Just to make sure we have enough rooms. Also, I think the suggestion of giving the T-shirt and swag on the second day is a good way to keep the attendance consistent across the 2 days. Is it a good idea to keep a attendance cap? >> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, >> and maybe they don't have the star power that we think they >> have. Opinion was divided on this topic. Money is to be spent and one of the good things we can do is to spend it on bringing in one (or maybe 2) good foreign speaker(s) once a year. I don't think it's extravagant and I think it adds a breath of freshness to the event to have a viewpoint from the global community. My dream is that in the coming years, the conference becomes so cool that people from abroad actually plan and come to the conference without our invitations. i.e. It becomes an international event hosted in India. [...] Footnotes: [1] http://www.wired.com/culture/design/magazine/17-03/dp_intro -- From noufal at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 14:00:46 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:30:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <1298096131.11277.69.camel@localhost> (Kenneth Gonsalves's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 11:45:31 +0530") References: <1298096131.11277.69.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87zkps9o1t.fsf@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: >> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and >> maybe >> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was >> divided >> on this topic. > > not really necessary unless the person is already in India. I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to the list) -- From noufal at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 14:05:18 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 18:35:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Roshan Mathews's message of "Sat, 19 Feb 2011 06:42:26 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> <877hcxnvy0.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87tyg09nu9.fsf@gmail.com> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Roshan Mathews wrote: > +1 for inviting Zed. [...] Well then, my proposal is as follows. 1. Zed Shaw 2. Steve Holden If only one, then Zed, otherwise both. -- From sree at mahiti.org Sat Feb 19 17:57:12 2011 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:27:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87zkps9o1t.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1298096131.11277.69.camel@localhost> <87zkps9o1t.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > > > On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: > >> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and > >> maybe > >> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was > >> divided > >> on this topic. > > > > not really necessary unless the person is already in India. > > I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to > the list) > > Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. - sree -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From satyaakam at gmail.com Sat Feb 19 19:03:31 2011 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 23:33:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > We felt that we should have a 3 day conference - Friday, Saturday and > Sunday. Friday will be mainly for tutorials introducing people to Python. > Saturday and Sunday will be the main conference. There we're hoping to run 4 > tracks in parallel as follows: > > I: Introductory and Web (this is the newbies/evangelism/101 track) > Why even add web just we can say intro talks. > II: Experienced (this is for pythonistas, with prereqs) > what kinds may be in different domains like Testing , Web , Frameworks, Scientific computing, Bioinfomatics, Embedded systems ,Security,Gis etc... showcase how python is powering these domains III: Themed tracks > how this is different than II IV: Tutorials, Labs, BOFs etc > BOFs are good these can and will happen without much planning , what in labs and tutorials and how they will be different . > > For this conference, we don't want to really focus on the size of the > audience - rather we would like to really try hard to get good quality, > advanced talks. We'll insist on there being enough advanced talks; and > aggressively reject "introductory" talks that can't be accommodated in the > introductory track. It's OK to have advanced talks that expect the audience > to know certain things beforehand, as long as the prerequisites are > explicitly listed in the talk description. We believe this it will be a > challenge to get enough speakers who can talk about advanced topics - so > let's try to think of various creative ways in which to meet this > challenge. > this is a balancing act would only know after once we call for CFP. > We'd like longer talks - all talks to be 1 hour. We also want 5 to 10 > minute breaks between talks. One keynote on Saturday, and another keynote on > Sunday. > ok > > As far as dates, it appears that 16-18 Sept, or 23-25 Sept are the main > possibilities. (Before that, Pune will be immobilized by Ganesh Chaturthi, > and afterwards there's Navratri and Gandhi Jayanti.) We'll finalize the > dates after talking with our potential venues. We're going to make first > contact with potential venues next week and we are hoping to have the date > and venue finalized in 2 or 3 weeks. > ok > Other isuses discussed during the meeting: > > 1. How much to charge? Reference: Pycon 2010 charged 250 for early bird, > 350 for not-so-early bird, and 500 on the spot. Current thinking is to keep > it the same. Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 Tutorials if there are people > who want to attend just that. > yes that is one way to pick and choose from we can say 200 - 250 per day so that people who pay for all three days together do not feel cheated. > 2. How many people to expect? This needs to be estimated right now so that > we only consider appropriate venues. Reference: Pycon 2010 had about 650 > people on day 1. and 350 on day 2. We're not sure how to estimate the number > of people coming for Pycon Pune, > i am expecting bigger numbers considering the Student community and Startup crowd in Pune.lets target for somewhere in the range of 800-1000. > but for now, we're saying that as far as venue sizing is concerned, we will > consider venues where the largest hall capacity is at least 300+, and there > are at least 2 other halls/classrooms. Having labs would be a bonus. > ok > 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and > maybe they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was > divided on this topic > depends on what we have and how much we can afford , yes we still need this star power till we have our own stars or discover new ones. -Satya > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Last year we used > #inpycon2010, but I felt it will be better use pyconindia instead of > inpython because the former reads better. Last year it is was too late > by the time I thought about it. > > Shall we use #pyconindia2011 as hash tag this year instead > #inpycon2011? It is important to decide now because I need to specify > it in the home page of the website. > I would instead go with just #inpycon Since there is a 140 characters limit on each tweet, the shorter the hash tag, the better it is. Same thing in case of identica. > Anand > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 05:43:36 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:13:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: (Mehul Ved's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:03:08 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87bp26vvyf.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Mehul Ved wrote: [...] > I would instead go with just #inpycon Since there is a 140 characters > limit on each tweet, the shorter the hash tag, the better it is. Same > thing in case of identica. [...] We can drop the year. #pyconindia is okay I think. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 05:46:17 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:16:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > I would instead go with just #inpycon > Since there is a 140 characters limit on each tweet, the shorter the hash > tag, the better it is. Same thing in case of identica. #pyconindia saves you more chars. Compare: CFP for #pyconindia 2011 is open. and CFP for pycon india 2011 is open. #inpycon Anand From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 05:51:43 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:21:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > > On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> > On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: >> >> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and >> >> maybe >> >> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was >> >> divided >> >> on this topic. >> > >> > not really necessary unless the person is already in India. >> >> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to >> the list) >> > Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. > -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. > - sree > Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign delegate is. Here's a quick summary. a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully paid for by PSF should be fine). c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM) d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to supporting the growth of python in India. Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise). Dhananjay From anandology at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:12:25 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:42:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2011/2/21 Dhananjay Nene : > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > wrote: >> >> >> On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >>> >>> > On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: >>> >> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and >>> >> maybe >>> >> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was >>> >> divided >>> >> on this topic. >>> > >>> > not really necessary unless the person is already in India. >>> >>> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to >>> the list) >>> >> Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. >> -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. >> - sree >> > > Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some > point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign > delegate is. Here's a quick summary. > > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > paid for by PSF should be fine). > c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an > overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python > elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced > python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others > in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the > foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily > understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites > (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM) > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. > > Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics > of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local > delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise). Even if the decision to attend the conference might not change because of foreign speaker, I'm sure having the presence of some people like that makes the conference more vibrant. I think it is not just about inviting speakers from abroad. It is about inviting people who are active in the global python community to come and share their insights. I think we'll be able to raise enough funds and money will not be a constant to invite foreign speakers. Sponsoring teams to work on python is probably a good idea but unrelated to the conference and i'm not sure if it is fair to use the money we raise for organizing the conference for something else. Anand From rmathews at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:21:10 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:51:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:42, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Even if the decision to attend the conference might not change because > of foreign speaker, I'm sure having the presence of some people like > that makes the conference more vibrant. > > I think it is not just about inviting speakers from abroad. It is > about inviting people who are active in the global python community to > come and share their insights. > > I think we'll be able to raise enough funds and money will not be a > constant to invite foreign speakers. > > Sponsoring teams to work on python is probably a good idea but > unrelated to the conference and i'm not sure if it is fair to use the > money we raise for organizing the conference for something else. Good points, these. But Dhananjay did raise an interesting point, is it customary for a conference to pay for the travel and board of the keynote speakers? Or are the keynote speakers mostly locals? What happened in the APAC Pycon? That was in Singapore, right? About the same distance from Europe and the US, as India. While it may not be right to spend PyCon money on "evangelizing" outside the event itself (is the extra money PyCon money, or IPSS money?), it could be spent on better A/V, recording, wifi, food and many other things. -- http://about.me/rosh From harshad at rightrix.com Mon Feb 21 06:22:55 2011 From: harshad at rightrix.com (Harshad Oak) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:52:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >From my experience, I would say that a foreign face definitely helps fill seats & provide an overall stature to the event. Also irrespective of how the session goes, such sessions tend to get good ratings. However a) As you have said, the dualism on covering/not covering expenses is hard to explain b) The software profession in India is now vibrant & mature enough to not have to always rely on foreign inputs. c) IMHO it is the responsibility of major Indian conferences like Pycon to create & nurture technology stars in India rather than try & bask in reflected glory. So IMHO while we should welcome foreign speakers, we do not need to go out of our way to get them. Regards, Harshad >> First mail on the list. Pleased to be a part of the Pycon team. >> Sorry about my silence on the lists, have had too much on hand... But I am more or less following the discussions. On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > wrote: > > > > > > On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> > >> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > >> > >> > On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: > >> >> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, > and > >> >> maybe > >> >> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was > >> >> divided > >> >> on this topic. > >> > > >> > not really necessary unless the person is already in India. > >> > >> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to > >> the list) > >> > > Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. > > -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. > > - sree > > > > Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some > point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign > delegate is. Here's a quick summary. > > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > paid for by PSF should be fine). > c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an > overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python > elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced > python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others > in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the > foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily > understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites > (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM) > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. > > Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics > of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local > delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise). > > Dhananjay > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:25:29 2011 From: thatiparthysreenivas at gmail.com (Sreenivas Reddy T) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:55:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: we can drop the year, #inpycon sounds good to me!! 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Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Good points, these. ?But Dhananjay did raise an interesting point, is > it customary for a conference to pay for the travel and board of the > keynote speakers? ?Or are the keynote speakers mostly locals? ?What > happened in the APAC Pycon? ?That was in Singapore, right? ?About the > same distance from Europe and the US, as India. http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/pycon-apac-2010 They had Steve Holden as keynote speaker. > While it may not be right to spend PyCon money on "evangelizing" > outside the event itself (is the extra money PyCon money, or IPSS > money?), it could be spent on better A/V, recording, wifi, food and > many other things. We can plan for better A/V and raise more money. We don't have to compromise on inviting speakers. Anand From lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:30:23 2011 From: lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com (Lakshmi Vyas) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:00:23 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3B5A1570-504A-4E76-8B63-ECB46A0F0169@gmail.com> > Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an > overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python > elucidation. Here are some thoughts: 1. Are there people in India that can open the conference with first hand information / interesting tidbits about past, present or future of python? 2. Can the person coming in do both? Open the keynote with a non technical but informative and interesting keynote and later give a super technical talk? > From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. I think the primary goal of a conference is to disperse information and provide interactions that would otherwise be improbable. I think of the cost as a necessity rather than an expenditure. We are inviting a foreign delegate not because they are foreign but because they are core python developers / community members. Thanks Lakshmi. On 21-Feb-2011, at 10:21 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > wrote: >> >> >> On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >>> >>>> On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: >>>>> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and >>>>> maybe >>>>> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was >>>>> divided >>>>> on this topic. >>>> >>>> not really necessary unless the person is already in India. >>> >>> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to >>> the list) >>> >> Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. >> -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. >> - sree >> > > Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some > point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign > delegate is. Here's a quick summary. > > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > paid for by PSF should be fine). > c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an > overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python > elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced > python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others > in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the > foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily > understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites > (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM) > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. > > Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics > of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local > delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise). > > Dhananjay > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:33:43 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:03:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <3B5A1570-504A-4E76-8B63-ECB46A0F0169@gmail.com> References: <3B5A1570-504A-4E76-8B63-ECB46A0F0169@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Lakshmi Vyas wrote: >> Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an >> overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python >> elucidation. > > Here are some thoughts: > > 1. ? ? ?Are there people in India that can open the conference with first hand > ? ? ? ?information / interesting tidbits about past, present or future of python? > 2. ? ? ?Can the person coming in do both? Open the keynote with a non technical > ? ? ? ?but informative and interesting keynote and later give a super technical talk? I cannot imagine why that cannot happen if we set our goal to make that happen. > > >> From an expenditure review >> perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have >> a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to >> supporting the growth of python in India. > > > I think the primary goal of a conference is to disperse information and provide > interactions that would otherwise be improbable. I ?think of the cost as a > necessity rather than an expenditure. We are inviting a foreign delegate not > because ?they are foreign but because they are core python developers / community > members. > Precisely why the dualism is harder to explain. > > Thanks > Lakshmi. > > On 21-Feb-2011, at 10:21 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > >> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah >> wrote: >>> >>> >>> On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: >>>>>> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and >>>>>> maybe >>>>>> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was >>>>>> divided >>>>>> on this topic. >>>>> >>>>> not really necessary unless the person is already in India. >>>> >>>> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to >>>> the list) >>>> >>> Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. >>> -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. >>> - sree >>> >> >> Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some >> point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign >> delegate is. Here's a quick summary. >> >> a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be >> influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate >> b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India >> whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to >> explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully >> paid for by PSF should be fine). >> c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an >> overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python >> elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced >> python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others >> in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the >> foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily >> understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites >> (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM) >> d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine >> sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of >> code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my >> mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review >> perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have >> a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to >> supporting the growth of python in India. >> >> Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics >> of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local >> delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise). >> >> Dhananjay >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From rmathews at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:34:52 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:04:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:56, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> Good points, these. ?But Dhananjay did raise an interesting point, is >> it customary for a conference to pay for the travel and board of the >> keynote speakers? ?Or are the keynote speakers mostly locals? ?What >> happened in the APAC Pycon? ?That was in Singapore, right? ?About the >> same distance from Europe and the US, as India. > > http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/pycon-apac-2010 > > They had Steve Holden as keynote speaker. I found that. The question was, did they pay his airfare? What about his stay? I'm not against the idea, per se. I think it is fantastic to get a core Python developer to speak. But if conferences normally don't pay for this, I'd find it hard to understand why we'd want to be pioneers. Since there is still time, is it feasible to get a company which employs Python committers, say Google, to send them over to India for the duration of the conference. Anyways, the final call will be Dhananjay's. Or whoever is the lead chap, or whatzitcalled. -- http://about.me/rosh From navin at smriti.com Mon Feb 21 06:34:46 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:04:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > CFP for #pyconindia 2011 is open. > I vote for #pyconindia as more self-explanatory. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:39:41 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:09:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Sponsoring teams to work on python is probably a good idea but > unrelated to the conference and i'm not sure if it is fair to use the > money we raise for organizing the conference for something else. > Pardon my conventional programming. But if money from bucket A can be put to use in bucket B and both buckets have similar target communities and intents, I do not see an issue so long as people agree that the expenditure is useful. FWIW, I believe the goal of Pycon India is to create a vibrant python ecosystem rather than just limited to holding a conference. From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:41:28 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:11:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:04 AM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > Anyways, the final call will be Dhananjay's. ?Or whoever is the lead > chap, or whatzitcalled. The final call is not mine. I'm anyways a bit of a newbie to this topic. I would just add my opinions and let us collectively decide. From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:45:38 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:15:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:21:43 +0530") References: Message-ID: <8762seueil.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate Probably not but foreign speakers are not meant to be delegate magnets. They're meant to improve the quality of the conference in general. > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > paid for by PSF should be fine). It's not that hard to explain. Most conferences have the concept of an invited speaker. Someone who the conference wants to bring over rather than someone coming of his own will. If a speaker is invited, I think it's expected that the conference pay for him. Also, there's the simple matter of money. Costs for a local person to come for a conference is not much. Costs for someone to fly in from abroad is high. We have the sponsorship money to bring someone in. Why not? Also, someone actually asking us "Why did you pay for Steve Holden but not for me" is not something I'd take seriously. The presence and contribution of foreign delegates *does* help the local community. We do this just once a year, we can afford it. Why not? > c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an > overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python > elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced > python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others > in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the > foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily > understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites > (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM). My general idea was that we'd ask the speaker (if we selected one) to give a non-technical/semi-technical *keynote*. Diving into deep waters at the first hour of the conference doesn't really work well. In addition to this, if they can give a talk on an area of Python technology which they specifically are interested in (e.g. Jacob Kaplan Moss on Django etc.), it would be perfect. This is what David did last year - a general "Python in India" kind of keynote and something on his polyform puzzler on the second day. This is also what Steve Holden did at APAC last year. A general "state of the python community" keynote and a talk on metaclasses the second day. > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. If we actually setup the infrastructure to conduct these events and start on it, I think we can balance costs and make decisions. For example, we had 1 or 1.5L left over from last years event. It wasn't used for anything for a whole year. We don't do that yet and thinking of these while we're planning for the conference is not wise. I think this is substituting something real with something potential. Given the fact that all we(IPSS) do right now is conduct the conference, I think we should focus on that and make it good. In summary, I think - We conduct this conference once a year. It's our primary aim and so we should do all we can to make it better. - If there's an expense we can incur that will improve the conference, financial parsimony is misplaced. We should spend. - Foreign delegates make a big difference. - The mood of the conference changes when an experienced hand is there. This was obvious to me when after our 2009 event when I attended RubyConf (the speakers were employees of the company that conducted the event but the fact that their presence changed the event is without question). - We have people locally that work with these people from abroad. It's usually prohibitive for these people to meet them. We provide a forum for that. - We gradually shift the focus from a "all india python user group meeting" into a proper "conference" that people look forward to. - We don't conduct workshops, sponsoring groups to do python work etc. We're a year old and it makes sense to focus on the conference right now, make it something people look forward to and then diversify into other avenues (just like the PSF did). I'm heavily +1 for a foreign delegate PSF funding or not. 1L is not much in the large scheme of things and we can work that into our budget quite easily I think. [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From harshad at rightrix.com Mon Feb 21 06:39:29 2011 From: harshad at rightrix.com (Harshad Oak) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:09:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: #PyconIndia P & I capitalized if possible. Cause the split in pyconindia is not so obvious, especially to those who aren't aware of Pycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:49:29 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:19:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Roshan Mathews's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:51:10 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87zkpqszrq.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Roshan Mathews wrote: [...] > Good points, these. But Dhananjay did raise an interesting point, is > it customary for a conference to pay for the travel and board of the > keynote speakers? Or are the keynote speakers mostly locals? What > happened in the APAC Pycon? That was in Singapore, right? About the > same distance from Europe and the US, as India. The first APAC conference invited Steve Holden who is not from S'pore and as far as I know paid for (or atleast subsidised) his travel and accomodation. They were not able to sponsor any more people because their budget didn't allow it. A few foreign speakers came of their own will (e.g. Martijn etc.) > While it may not be right to spend PyCon money on "evangelizing" > outside the event itself (is the extra money PyCon money, or IPSS > money?), it could be spent on better A/V, recording, wifi, food and > many other things. Yup. My point too. Money for the conference should be primarily spent for the conference. Anything left over or generated using another source should be spent on evangelism and other Python related activities. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 06:55:01 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:25:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: (Sreenivas Reddy T.'s message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 10:55:29 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87sjviszii.fsf@gmail.com> This is too tiny a topic to debate. It just has to be consistent. Dhananjay, can you make a decision here? We'll all just use that. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 07:17:31 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:47:31 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: <87sjviszii.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87sjviszii.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > This is too tiny a topic to debate. It just has to be > consistent. Dhananjay, can you make a decision here? We'll all just use > that. > Lets go with #PyconIndia - that way we can use it as a part of a broader statement (without having to explicitly add another hashtag). Also the CamelCase can help separate the terms for clarity. I also think #PyconIndia for the less actively involved (other readers of tweet stream) to understand what it refers to than #inpycon. Dhananjay > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 07:26:57 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:56:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298269617.14666.5.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 10:51 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > outside the event itself (is the extra money PyCon money, or IPSS > money?) pycon money - IPSS will have to raise it's own funds for other activities. It holds the conference money in trust for pycon. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 07:28:45 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:58:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298269725.14666.7.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 10:56 +0530, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > Good points, these. But Dhananjay did raise an interesting point, > is > > it customary for a conference to pay for the travel and board of the > > keynote speakers? Or are the keynote speakers mostly locals? What > > happened in the APAC Pycon? That was in Singapore, right? About > the > > same distance from Europe and the US, as India. > > http://pycon.sit.rp.sg/pycon-apac-2010 > > They had Steve Holden as keynote speaker. one fossconf we held in Chennai, one foreign speaker invited himself - he was in India at the time, registered as a delegate and registered a talk - we bumped his talk to keynote status. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 07:53:40 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:23:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87sjviszii.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > > > This is too tiny a topic to debate. It just has to be > > consistent. Dhananjay, can you make a decision here? We'll all just use > > that. > > > Lets go with #PyconIndia - that way we can use it as a part of a > broader statement (without having to explicitly add another hashtag). > Also the CamelCase can help separate the terms for clarity. I also > think #PyconIndia for the less actively involved (other readers of > tweet stream) to understand what it refers to than #inpycon. > Does twitter use case-sensitive channel names ? I for one prefer #pyconindia as opposed to #PyconIndia, the latter is a pain to type in tweets (need to press shift twice!), and even more so from mobiles. > > Dhananjay > > > -- > > ~noufal > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I also >> think #PyconIndia for the less actively involved (other readers of >> tweet stream) to understand what it refers to than #inpycon. > > Does twitter use case-sensitive channel names ? > I for one prefer #pyconindia as opposed to #PyconIndia, the latter > is a pain to type in tweets (need to press shift twice!), and even > more so from mobiles. > Searching for #Python seems to turn up tweets with #pycon in them. From mehul.n.ved at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 08:00:49 2011 From: mehul.n.ved at gmail.com (Mehul Ved) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:30:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] twitter hash tag for PyCon India 2011 In-Reply-To: References: <87sjviszii.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: No it's not case sensitive as far as I know. So we're settled on this topic. The same tag is to be used on identica too, I'll assume. On 21 Feb 2011 12:26, "Anand Balachandran Pillai" wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:25 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> > >> > This is too tiny a topic to debate. It just has to be >> > consistent. Dhananjay, can you make a decision here? We'll all just use >> > that. >> > >> Lets go with #PyconIndia - that way we can use it as a part of a >> broader statement (without having to explicitly add another hashtag). >> Also the CamelCase can help separate the terms for clarity. I also >> think #PyconIndia for the less actively involved (other readers of >> tweet stream) to understand what it refers to than #inpycon. >> > > Does twitter use case-sensitive channel names ? > I for one prefer #pyconindia as opposed to #PyconIndia, the latter > is a pain to type in tweets (need to press shift twice!), and even > more so from mobiles. > > >> >> Dhananjay >> >> > -- >> > ~noufal >> > http://nibrahim.net.in >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Inpycon mailing list >> > Inpycon at python.org >> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 10:27:13 2011 From: lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com (Lakshmi Vyas) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:57:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <3B5A1570-504A-4E76-8B63-ECB46A0F0169@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4815C12F-E723-41AE-B8BA-52F9D469275F@gmail.com> > Precisely why the dualism is harder to explain. I can think of a few reasons: 1. Local people derive direct benefit helping spreading python in India. 2. They get more exposure / clout / bragging rights in the community where they earn their living 3. Like Noufal said in a follow up mail, its not as expensive to travel locally and the relative unease in being in a new place is negligible I think this is analogous to having a person within an organization help out on a problem versus hiring an external consultant. Thanks Lakshmi. On 21-Feb-2011, at 11:03 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Lakshmi Vyas wrote: >>> Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an >>> overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python >>> elucidation. >> >> Here are some thoughts: >> >> 1. Are there people in India that can open the conference with first hand >> information / interesting tidbits about past, present or future of python? >> 2. Can the person coming in do both? Open the keynote with a non technical >> but informative and interesting keynote and later give a super technical talk? > > I cannot imagine why that cannot happen if we set our goal to make that happen. > >> >> >>> From an expenditure review >>> perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have >>> a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to >>> supporting the growth of python in India. >> >> >> I think the primary goal of a conference is to disperse information and provide >> interactions that would otherwise be improbable. I think of the cost as a >> necessity rather than an expenditure. We are inviting a foreign delegate not >> because they are foreign but because they are core python developers / community >> members. >> > > Precisely why the dualism is harder to explain. >> >> Thanks >> Lakshmi. >> >> On 21-Feb-2011, at 10:21 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote: >>>>>>> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and >>>>>>> maybe >>>>>>> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was >>>>>>> divided >>>>>>> on this topic. >>>>>> >>>>>> not really necessary unless the person is already in India. >>>>> >>>>> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to >>>>> the list) >>>>> >>>> Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year. >>>> -1 if we have to generate the entire cost. >>>> - sree >>>> >>> >>> Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some >>> point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign >>> delegate is. Here's a quick summary. >>> >>> a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be >>> influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate >>> b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India >>> whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to >>> explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully >>> paid for by PSF should be fine). >>> c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an >>> overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python >>> elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced >>> python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others >>> in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the >>> foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily >>> understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites >>> (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM) >>> d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine >>> sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of >>> code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my >>> mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review >>> perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have >>> a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to >>> supporting the growth of python in India. >>> >>> Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics >>> of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local >>> delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise). >>> >>> Dhananjay >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> From ramdaz at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 10:27:42 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:57:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Sponsoring teams to work on python is probably a good idea but > unrelated to the conference and i'm not sure if it is fair to use the > money we raise for organizing the conference for something else. > Conferences and sponsored events should be used to raise funds for other activities, which directly will contribute to the growth of a community. The biggest return o investment for a Conference outside newbies, is that this becomes a common point for python users across the country to get together exchange ideas, and understand from each other ie we can network with each other. Newbies I am sure will get to learn something new. The biggest problem we have today is lack of good entry level Python programmers that companies can hire. Python is not growing in this country the way it should. I wish, we get young developers who will learn the language and make themselves available for jobs, so that companies can pitch in for bigger projects using Pythonic technologies. I would rather be happier if we could invest 1 L and produce 100 or even 10 good young Python developers, whom the industry can hire instead of flying in a big name. I am not against getting big names in, it adds color to the event. But beyond that I don't see anything great. The fact of the matter is even if you have five big names come in, they can only interact with a dozen or so people personally over the event. If 700 people actually turn up at an event, only about 50-60 can hob knob with a Holden or Shaw. If you really want to listen to them, then there are many presentations online which you can watch at your leisure. A judicial investment of surplus funds can help us produce better Python programmers, which would have a domino effect. I'm personally frustrated that my company have not been able to hire any Python programmers of less than 1 year experience, that we are actively thinking of going back to PHP, since we have work and we need people to execute. What is IPSS doing about it? Mind you, this is not just my opinion, several other entrepreneurs whom I personally know have been reluctant to switch projects to Python for the same reason. Kenneth whom I met during a BOF at our offices in Bangalore last week tells that we are sitting on piles of cash, which we are being saved for the next event. I believe that every event should be self sufficient on its own, and should produce surplus cash which should be invested in real Python evangelism, and that starts from grass roots, and sponsoring contests, SOC like projects, get youngsters involved. I feel good about the fact that 700 people attended it or 1000 made it to the event. But what about the million developers in the country, and the million wannabe which are being churned out by our educational institutions? Can we use these funds to reach a fraction of them? Or should we look at flying in as many foreign speakers as possible, and basically boost our egos? We must rather fund someone who's actually going and doing a free day of evangelism in a school or a college, than fly in someone who gets an extended holiday. I'd be happy if we can actually promote/encourage/ at least cover TA/DA costs some of our friends who take free classes in colleges and organizations, so that we have new blood learning and experiencing this wonderful programming language. Please do not get me wrong, and take this personal. We need to think beyond the conference and look at building a community. 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A) The conference pays for the invited speakers' travel, etc. B) The conference pays python-evangelists' travel (to the conference? or to evagelize more?) You say B. That said, most people seem to choose option A for these questions, but I guess it is up for discussion. Roshan On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 14:57, Ramdas S wrote: >> Sponsoring teams to work on python is probably a good idea but >> unrelated to the conference and i'm not sure if it is fair to use the >> money we raise for organizing the conference for something else. > > Conferences and sponsored events should be used to raise funds for other > activities, which directly will contribute to the growth of a community. > -- http://about.me/rosh From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 10:51:05 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:21:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: (Ramdas S.'s message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:57:42 +0530") References: Message-ID: <877hctu35i.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Ramdas S wrote: [...] > I would rather be happier if we could invest 1 L and produce 100 or > even 10 good young Python developers, whom the industry can hire > instead of flying in a big name. I am not against getting big names > in, it adds color to the event. But beyond that I don't see anything > great. It's not for a "big name". We're discussing conducting a conference here (not general evangelism). You argument suggests that this whole business of flying people is for "advertising". That's not true. Experienced Pythonistas who are part of the core community help the conference. We have the resources to bring them here for the event and we should. As for your investment of money and time to create Python programmers. I have two points. - We had half a year since the last event and no one came forward with any such suggestions backed by work. - The sponsorships, money etc. are for the conference and should be focussed on that. After that, if there are leftovers, we can use it for general evangelism. Compromising on the conference to train young Python programmers is damaging to the event and I for one don't agree with it at all. I'm not really interested in making Python another "popular" language Bangalore where there's tons of mediocre people available. I'm *especially* not interested in doing that by siphoning money away from the conference which we're trying to improve every year. > The fact of the matter is even if you have five big names come in, > they can only interact with a dozen or so people personally over the > event. If 700 people actually turn up at an event, only about 50-60 > can hob knob with a Holden or Shaw. The point of inviting these people over is not so that every delegate has 5 minutes of personal one on one time with them. > If you really want to listen to them, then there are many > presentations online which you can watch at your leisure. We could cancel the whole conference then and just create a mailing list where people can interact and evangelism takes place. Physically being there during a presentation is something else. > A judicial investment of surplus funds can help us produce better > Python programmers, which would have a domino effect. Agreed but the important word in your sentence is *surplus*. We can have a really small conference with lots of newbie attendees that's just a glorified workshop and plenty of funds left over. That's damaging to the event and something I'm against. > I'm personally frustrated that my company have not been able to hire > any Python programmers of less than 1 year experience, that we are > actively thinking of going back to PHP, since we have work and we need > people to execute. What is IPSS doing about it? Mind you, this is not > just my opinion, several other entrepreneurs whom I personally know > have been reluctant to switch projects to Python for the same reason. This is a problem with your company and not something that is relevant to the conference. As for "what is the IPSS doing about it?", this is also not relevant to the conference. I don't speak for everyone on this list but I don't take it upon me to generate Python programmers for companies. [...] > I believe that every event should be self sufficient on its own, and > should produce surplus cash which should be invested in real Python > evangelism, and that starts from grass roots, and sponsoring contests, > SOC like projects, get youngsters involved. Fair enough. In addition to this, the conference should grow. People should look forward to attending it, companies should get interested in sponsoring it. > I feel good about the fact that 700 people attended it or 1000 made it > to the event. But what about the million developers in the country, > and the million wannabe which are being churned out by our educational > institutions? Can we use these funds to reach a fraction of them? Or > should we look at flying in as many foreign speakers as possible, and > basically boost our egos? No on is trying to boost their egos. If that's what you think this is about, I don't think this is a productive dicussion. [...] > Please do not get me wrong, and take this personal. We need to think > beyond the conference and look at building a community. We're discussing the conference on this list and in this thread. It's a rallying point for the "community" and should be something people look forward to. Not just "another thing we do". When the conference is over and the surplus money is left, we can spend time doing evangelism and "building the community". Derailing the efforts right now to train people on Python is damaging to the work here and something that should be avoided. [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:00:02 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:30:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: <4815C12F-E723-41AE-B8BA-52F9D469275F@gmail.com> (Lakshmi Vyas's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:57:13 +0530") References: <3B5A1570-504A-4E76-8B63-ECB46A0F0169@gmail.com> <4815C12F-E723-41AE-B8BA-52F9D469275F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <871v31u2ql.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Lakshmi Vyas wrote: >> Precisely why the dualism is harder to explain. > > I can think of a few reasons: > > 1. Local people derive direct benefit helping spreading python in > India. 2. They get more exposure / clout / bragging rights in the > community where they earn their living 3. Like Noufal said in a > follow up mail, its not as expensive to travel locally and the > relative unease in being in a new place is negligible > > I think this is analogous to having a person within an organization > help out on a problem versus hiring an external consultant. [...] I think the "dualism" is artificial. Bringing in someone like (say) Raymond Hettinger from abroad to speak on the Python core is something I would *pay for* to happen. If I can spend money on bringing someone like that over here to have speak at an event, I'd do it. He doesn't stand to gain anything from attending a fledgling event in India. *We* stand to gain something from having him here to speak due to his experience and knowledge. If the only obstacle to having him here is money and we have the money, we should spend it to have him here. The "dualism" exists only if you think that having Zed Shaw over or having a newbie Python user coming for the conference is the same. You can accuse me of being non-egalitarian but I don't think it's the same and I think it's important to emphasise the difference. To take another example. Suppose, there's a chap in India (say 'foo') who uses Django heavily at work and we're conducting an event where we're inviting Jacob Kaplan Moss and he's giving a talk on testing/deployment of Django. Mr. foo has to pay for the registration (300 INR), pay for his travel and accommodation (say 1000 INR). Jacob is sponsored by us and doesn't pay. What do you think is the first thought through foo's head? "WOW! I get to listen to the man himself talking about this and I just have to shell out 1300 INR)" OR "What a lousy conference! I have to spend 1300 to attend but Jacob Kaplan Moss can attend it for free." I think (atleast) most of us can agree on this. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From b.ghose at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:05:43 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:35:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > I'm personally frustrated that my company have not been able to hire any > Python programmers of less than 1 year experience, that we are actively > thinking of going back to PHP, since we have work and we need people to > execute. What is IPSS doing about it? Mind you, this is not just my opinion, > several other entrepreneurs whom I personally know have been reluctant to > switch projects to Python for the same reason. What is your company doing about this? I don't think it's in IPSS' direct agenda to generate employable Python programmers for companies -- it's for the educational institutes and companies to do. IPSS can only provide a platform for practicing Python programmers and people who want to learn Python in the form of PyCon India and various workshops. After all, what can IPSS do if Indian colleges only teach Java, C/C++, VB, etc. in their courses? Students don't learn Python because they think there are no jobs and companies don't use Python because "they think" there are no Python programmers in the country. Companies should just hire bright programmers and train them in Python. They can't rely on a non-profit organisation to do that for them. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From ramdaz at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:20:12 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:50:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Baishampayan Ghose wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > I'm personally frustrated that my company have not been able to hire any > > Python programmers of less than 1 year experience, that we are actively > > thinking of going back to PHP, since we have work and we need people to > > execute. What is IPSS doing about it? Mind you, this is not just my > opinion, > > several other entrepreneurs whom I personally know have been reluctant to > > switch projects to Python for the same reason. > > What is your company doing about this? We will announce this on Bangpypers mailing list in a few days time.... > I don't think it's in IPSS' > direct agenda to generate employable Python programmers for companies > -- it's for the educational institutes and companies to do. IPSS can > only provide a platform for practicing Python programmers and people > who want to learn Python in the form of PyCon India and various > workshops. > > After all, what can IPSS do if Indian colleges only teach Java, C/C++, > VB, etc. in their courses? Students don't learn Python because they > think there are no jobs and companies don't use Python because "they > think" there are no Python programmers in the country. > IPSS can do a lot of things. There are several non-profit organizations doing evangelism of different kind to get messages across, to popularize technologies and set agendas. I am only sad that that IPSS is just only about doing a conference, when & where opportunities are much more... > Companies should just hire bright programmers and train them in > Python. They can't rely on a non-profit organisation to do that for > them. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From b.ghose at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:22:12 2011 From: b.ghose at gmail.com (Baishampayan Ghose) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:52:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > I am only sad that that IPSS is just only about doing a conference, when & > where opportunities are much more... IPSS is still new; I am sure it will take up newer and better initiatives with time. Regards, BG -- Baishampayan Ghose b.ghose at gmail.com From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:23:45 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:53:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Ramdas S wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Baishampayan Ghose > wrote: >> After all, what can IPSS do if Indian colleges only teach Java, C/C++, >> VB, etc. in their courses? Students don't learn Python because they >> think there are no jobs and companies don't use Python because "they >> think" there are no Python programmers in the country. > > IPSS can do a lot of things. There are several non-profit organizations > doing evangelism of different kind to get messages across, to popularize > technologies and set agendas. > I am only sad that that IPSS is just only about doing a conference, when & > where opportunities are much more... > Sorry, unable to respond more since at work - but could we take exclusively IPSS discussions off list ? There's probably an IPSS list for the same? From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:25:49 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:55:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: (Ramdas S.'s message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:50:12 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87tyfxsmz6.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Ramdas S wrote: [...] > IPSS can do a lot of things. There are several non-profit > organizations doing evangelism of different kind to get messages > across, to popularize technologies and set agendas. > I am only sad that that IPSS is just only about doing a conference, > when & where opportunities are much more... [...] Your grief is misplaced. We're focussing here on making the conference better. Not chasing "opportunities" with funds that were obtained specifically (from sponsors mostly) to conduct the conference. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:27:57 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:57:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:53:45 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > Sorry, unable to respond more since at work - but could we take > exclusively IPSS discussions off list ? There's probably an IPSS list > for the same? [...] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ipss -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 11:57:01 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:27:01 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298285821.14666.27.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 14:57 +0530, Ramdas S wrote: > Kenneth whom I met during a BOF at our offices in Bangalore last week > tells > that we are sitting on piles of cash, which we are being saved for > the next > event. those are not exactly my words (or maybe after the 5th vodka?) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:11:58 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:41:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298286718.14666.29.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 15:50 +0530, Ramdas S wrote: > IPSS can do a lot of things. There are several non-profit > organizations > doing evangelism of different kind to get messages across, to > popularize > technologies and set agendas. > I am only sad that that IPSS is just only about doing a conference, > when & > where opportunities are much more... please take this up on the IPSS list - I have been organising a lot of python workshops, but have not brought IPSS into the matter as there is still a lot of paper work to be done to make it a properly functional society (for example we still cannot receive donations from abroad, and do not yet have 80G) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:12:56 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:42:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298286776.14666.30.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 15:53 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > I am only sad that that IPSS is just only about doing a conference, > when & > > where opportunities are much more... > > > > Sorry, unable to respond more since at work - but could we take > exclusively IPSS discussions off list ? There's probably an IPSS list > for the same? ipss at python.org - just noticed it is not on the website! -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From rmathews at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:18:08 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:48:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 15:57, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> Sorry, unable to respond more since at work - but could we take >> exclusively IPSS discussions off list ? There's probably an IPSS list >> for the same? > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ipss > WRT PyCon2011, and this thread, there are two issues: 1. Should we invite a guest speaker? 2. Should we subsidize his stay and travel? I was +1, -1 on those two. ?But Noufal convinced me, I'm currently +1/+1 on both. -- http://about.me/rosh From lawgon at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:24:42 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:54:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298287482.14666.33.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 16:48 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > > > > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ipss > > > WRT PyCon2011, and this thread, there are two issues: > > 1. Should we invite a guest speaker? > 2. Should we subsidize his stay and travel? > > I was +1, -1 on those two. But Noufal convinced me, I'm currently > +1/+1 on both. if we invite a guest speaker from anywhere, it is common courtesy to look after travel etc. That is beside the point. As for inviting guest speakers from abroad, I was -1 on it, I am now -0. I am more worried about getting sponsors - the one company I was hoping for has refused (although the open source division of the company is still trying to do something - but it will not be platinum). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From rmathews at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 12:41:15 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:11:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <1298287482.14666.33.camel@localhost> References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> <1298287482.14666.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 16:54, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 16:48 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> WRT PyCon2011, and this thread, there are two issues: >> >> 1. Should we invite a guest speaker? >> 2. Should we subsidize his stay and travel? >> >> I was +1, -1 on those two. ?But Noufal convinced me, I'm currently >> +1/+1 on both. > > if we invite a guest speaker from anywhere, it is common courtesy to > look after travel etc. That is beside the point. As for inviting guest > speakers from abroad, I was -1 on it, I am now -0. On the contrary, that was exactly the point of this thread, since the argument boiled down to whether it was money well spent. I guess the terminology of "guest/invited speaker" sits better than "foreign keynote speaker". > I am more worried > about getting sponsors - the one company I was hoping for has refused > (although the open source division of the company is still trying to do > something - but it will not be platinum). > Worrying already? I don't think people have even started pitching to companies yet, it's too early to get all pessimistic. -- http://about.me/rosh From vid at svaksha.com Mon Feb 21 14:35:04 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:35:04 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 04:51, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate Sounds unfair to tag a delegate as "foreign" or count on their attendance as the reason why Indians will attend. If that is the measurement yardstick, do we have enough "Indian" pythonista's with enough star credentials to pull in the crowds? The analogy (argument?) seems meaningless. > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > explain. Its not dualism and I agree with Noufal on this. There are many people who would not be able to hear Raymond or Jacob or Ian speak and this is a nice opportunity to listen to them share their knowledge. Secondly, your "dualism" point fails as you dont have some facts right. The PSF's grants (are hardly a sekrit, all the information is available on their blogs and on the website) helps funds many people (They dont discriminate on the basis of citizenship) for Pycon each year. I had suggested a similar process for INpycon on multiple occasions (last year a women's travel grant on the lines of Euro-python) , but funds and sponsors were an issue. If anyone wants to help kickstart this for INpycon you have a volunteer :) > Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > paid for by PSF should be fine). Disagree, If they are invited by us, WE need to take care of the hospitality aspects. Secondly, if your argument is only based on how IPSS utilizes the funds it has collected -- well, in that case, IPSS which holds the money "in trust" for INpycon should spend it for the very reason it was setup, for/on the conference. Diverting funds for other tasks, however noble they may be, isnt the core activity of IPSS. > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. -1 to diverting the INpycon/delegate fees collected for the conference. It does not seem ethical at all. Rather, I would argue that instead of expecting a non-profit like IPSS to do the heavy lifting for them, companies that use python have a vested interest in promoting the language and that financial gain is motivation enough for them to consider investing on hiring and training employees, etc .... On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial entity. -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From vid at svaksha.com Mon Feb 21 14:36:12 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:36:12 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 04:51, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate Sounds unfair to tag a delegate as "foreign" or count on their attendance as the reason why Indians will attend. If that is the measurement yardstick, do we have enough "Indian" pythonista's with enough star credentials to pull in the crowds? The analogy (argument?) seems meaningless. > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > explain. Its not dualism and I agree with Noufal on this. There are many people who would not be able to hear Raymond or Jacob or Ian speak and this is a nice opportunity to listen to them share their knowledge. Secondly, your "dualism" point fails as you dont have some facts right. The PSF's grants (are hardly a sekrit, all the information is available on their blogs and on the website) helps funds many people (They dont discriminate on the basis of citizenship) for Pycon each year. I had suggested a similar process for INpycon on multiple occasions (last year a women's travel grant on the lines of Euro-python) , but funds and sponsors were an issue. If anyone wants to help kickstart this for INpycon you have a volunteer :) > Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > paid for by PSF should be fine). Disagree, If they are invited by us, WE need to take care of the hospitality aspects. Secondly, if your argument is only based on how IPSS utilizes the funds it has collected -- well, in that case, IPSS which holds the money "in trust" for INpycon should spend it for the very reason it was setup, for/on the conference. Diverting funds for other tasks, however noble they may be, isnt the core activity of IPSS. > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > supporting the growth of python in India. -1 to diverting the INpycon/delegate fees collected for the conference. It does not seem ethical at all. Rather, I would argue that instead of expecting a non-profit like IPSS to do the heavy lifting for them, companies that use python have a vested interest in promoting the language and that financial gain is motivation enough for them to consider investing on hiring and training employees, etc .... On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial entity. -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 15:25:47 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:55:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: (Roshan Mathews's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:11:15 +0530") References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> <1298287482.14666.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87fwrhsbv8.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Roshan Mathews wrote: [...] > Worrying already? I don't think people have even started pitching to > companies yet, it's too early to get all pessimistic. The right amount of pessimism can work wonders for the conference. Your blood pressure is another thing. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 15:29:47 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:59:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (=?utf-8?B?IuClpS4g4KS44KWN4KS14KSV4KWN4KS3IOClpS4iJ3M=?= message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:35:04 +0000") References: Message-ID: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, ? ?????? ? wrote: [...] > On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like > GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python > language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done > and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly > against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial > entity. This is just one of the issues. This is a tantalising pandora's box and opening it on the conference list will be a disaster. In the long run, the IPSS has to do more than just conduct a conference. However, we are not in a position to do that yet and this list and discussion are for the conference. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 18:19:25 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 22:49:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21 2011, ? ?????? ? wrote: > > > [...] > > > On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like > > GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python > > language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done > > and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly > > against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial > > entity. > > We can argue the merits and demerits of inviting a foreign delegate till we all run out of energy and time and go by some lame decision. On the other hand, think about it objectively. The fact is that right now in India, there are no Python developers in the league and class of a Raymond Hettinger or Michael Foord for example, who can give a first hand perspective of the Python community and the software development. I have been in the list for a long time and you can take it first hand from me. If anyone doesn't agree he or she is welcome to have a discussion with me directly about it off-list. I am sure I can bring you to see my viewpoint. Excuse me, but where were you last year when we decided to invite David Goodger ? And pray I may ask, what is your personal contribution to this conference apart from providing generally negative criticism when an issue of importance comes up ? I took the lead in getting PSF funding for David and Noufal and myself co-ordinated to get David for the conference. Where were all this self-righteousness and the question of "IPSS funds" at that time ? > In the long run, the IPSS has to do more than just conduct a > conference. However, we are not in a position to do that yet and this > list and discussion are for the conference. > +1. Right now one of the, if not the main activity of IPSS is to run the conference and run it in the best possible manner. I am personally convinced that bringing in an experienced programmer or Python community stalwart as a keynote speaker is the right thing to do in order to add some cream to the conference. It is unfortunate that we are discussing the whys and not the hows of things at this point of time. I am sorry to say, but the original email by the O.P to the list was highly uncalled for at this time. > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jaganadhg at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 18:34:13 2011 From: jaganadhg at gmail.com (JAGANADH G) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:04:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: > It is unfortunate that we are discussing the whys and not the > hows of things at this point of time. I am sorry to say, but > the original email by the O.P to the list was highly uncalled > for at this time. > +1 There is no pint in discussing this issue. The simple reason or hard one is that *having a non-indian core Python Contributor adds more value/ price to the conference. It makes the sponsors to think that IPSS is running an "International Python Event" * In a single sentence : It is more or less a marketing strategy . That is what I feel -- ********************************** JAGANADH G http://jaganadhg.freeflux.net/blog *ILUGCBE* http://ilugcbe.techstud.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From abpillai at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 18:41:10 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:11:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM, ? ?????? ? wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 04:51, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: > > > > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be > > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate > > Sounds unfair to tag a delegate as "foreign" or count on their > attendance as the reason why Indians will attend. If that is the > measurement yardstick, do we have enough "Indian" pythonista's with > enough star credentials to pull in the crowds? The analogy (argument?) > seems meaningless. > > > > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India > > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to > > explain. > > Its not dualism and I agree with Noufal on this. There are many people > who would not be able to hear Raymond or Jacob or Ian Python devel here> speak and this is a nice opportunity to listen to > them share their knowledge. > > Secondly, your "dualism" point fails as you dont have some facts > right. The PSF's grants (are hardly a sekrit, all the information is > available on their blogs and on the website) helps funds many people > (They dont discriminate on the basis of citizenship) for Pycon each > year. I had suggested a similar process for INpycon on multiple > occasions (last year a women's travel grant on the lines of > Euro-python) , but funds and sponsors were an issue. If anyone wants > to help kickstart this for INpycon you have a volunteer :) > > > > Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully > > paid for by PSF should be fine). > > Disagree, If they are invited by us, WE need to take care of the > hospitality aspects. Secondly, if your argument is only based on how > IPSS utilizes the funds it has collected -- well, in that case, IPSS > which holds the money "in trust" for INpycon should spend it for the > very reason it was setup, for/on the conference. Diverting funds for > other tasks, however noble they may be, isnt the core activity of > IPSS. > > > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine > > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of > > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my > > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review > > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have > > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to > > supporting the growth of python in India. > > -1 to diverting the INpycon/delegate fees collected for the > conference. It does not seem ethical at all. Rather, I would argue > that instead of expecting a non-profit like IPSS to do the heavy > lifting for them, companies that use python have a vested interest in > promoting the language and that financial gain is motivation enough > for them to consider investing on hiring and training employees, etc > "Diverting" in what sense ? I think you are arguing against your own arguments which you made above. IPSS is the supporting organization which runs Inpycon. Which means that we have to do what it takes in order to do it in the best possible manner. If part of it involves inviting a foreign delegate, the funds for it are well-used, not diverted. It is incorrect to argue that we should look for getting a foreign speaker only if he comes as part of some sponsorship package from a company. If we do that, we run the risk of losing the identity of a community conference, instead becoming the front of a conference with vested interests. This is not an ideal world, where we use the money we generate in the conference for purely "altruistic" activities such as giving training for students and the like. It is also an important activity going forward, but we started with the conference which is our main activity right now and it is only the right thing to "divert" any funds we generated from it last year towards doing it well this year. If that involves inviting a foreign delegate, it is part of the expenditure - the money is not going to anybody's pockets here. We as a responsible society is fully entrusted to publish the statement of our accounts and make a clean breast of all our income and expenditure. It is kind of strange to argue that just because we are a community organized conference with average funds, we should be focusing only on talks by local people. Getting a foreign delegate to talk, if he is the right person, does attract interest and limelight to the conference and I think it is only the fair thing to do to the average student or programmer who is attending the conference, to expose him to some international Python talent. He would be only happy to get his money's worth for getting to meet such people right here in India. > .... > > On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like > GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python > language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done > and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly > against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial > entity. > > -- > vid ? http://svaksha.com ? > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 19:03:22 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:33:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > It is unfortunate that we are discussing the whys and not the > hows of things at this point of time. I am sorry to say, but > the original email by the O.P to the list was highly uncalled > for at this time. > I have just read all the mails since late afternoon and have just started digesting the various opinions. However the above point is one that I think I could respond to very quickly. The point came up in the pune meeting of pycon enthusiasts less than a week ago, and I do not think there was any one in the meeting who could articulate all the sides of the matter with half the clarity as seems to be have done on this list so far. Continuing with a matter that was clearly important without a sense of clarity did not seem fair. At the same time allow me to explain why the discussion deserved to be on this list even at this time. In the early days, I had looked to put a team in place which would effectively be tasked with all the decisions. That did not seem to fly too well. As I communicated with various folks in the 10 odd offlist emails, it was obvious that offlist communication was also to be eschewed - so I've stayed off offlist mails for some days now. I also looked back into the past quarter of emails and I do not recollect any discussions which helped provide more insight. There is no alternative to then bring this discussion on this list especially given the fact there are so many new participants who are expected to play a role who are unclear on this topic. Perhaps inconvenient, but I really do not know if there was any other alternative, if this action was uncalled for. So far I haven't found substantial reasons to feel concerned about the spirit of the discussions. And I would suggest that if one has to incorporate a bunch of pycon newbies into the process, it is perhaps a necessary step. We've decide the mailing list to be the place for clarifying and resolving issues and lets welcome comments so long as we can still ensure we can deal with them and work to closure quickly. From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 19:22:25 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:52:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <8762seueil.fsf@gmail.com> References: <8762seueil.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > [...] > >> a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be >> influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate > > Probably not but foreign speakers are not meant to be delegate > magnets. They're meant to improve the quality of the conference in > general. > I have just one reference point - it being Pycon India 2010. I thought many local talks were far more informative and I am unclear how the one talk particularly improved the quality of the conference in general. YMMV. >> b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India >> whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to >> explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully >> paid for by PSF should be fine). > > It's not that hard to explain. Most conferences have the concept of an > invited speaker. Someone who the conference wants to bring over rather > than someone coming of his own will. If a speaker is invited, I think > it's expected that the conference pay for him. Ok. Agreed. We could agree the dualism is traceable to invited vs. voluntary and close that line of discussion. > > Also, there's the simple matter of money. Costs for a local person to > come for a conference is not much. Costs for someone to fly in from > abroad is high. We have the sponsorship money to bring someone in. Why > not? > High expenditure must deliver high results. There cannot be two opinions on this matter. Irrespective of whether we have the money to bring someone in. Perhaps the results are there. Perhaps I didn't see them, and I am comfortable that we go ahead and invite speakers expecting high impact from them as well. [...] > In summary, I think > ?- We conduct this conference once a year. It's our primary aim and so > ? ?we should do all we can to make it better. > ?- If there's an expense we can incur that will improve the conference, > ? ?financial parsimony is misplaced. We should spend. A discussion on perhaps one of the biggest expenditure items to be remotely construed as parsimony is surprising. Treat it as fiscal expenditure evaluation if you will, but as a larger budget item it must be discussed. Dhananjay From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 19:35:08 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:05:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 15:57, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >>> Sorry, unable to respond more since at work - but could we take >>> exclusively IPSS discussions off list ? There's probably an IPSS list >>> for the same? >> >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/ipss >> > WRT PyCon2011, and this thread, there are two issues: > > 1. Should we invite a guest speaker? > 2. Should we subsidize his stay and travel? > > I was +1, -1 on those two. ?But Noufal convinced me, I'm currently > +1/+1 on both. > To summarise my thoughts post the discussions today, I began the day with 0/-1. I end it with 0/0 on both the questions. I can see both the value and the expenditure. I would just suggest lets make sure we take all the right steps to ensure we are able to get a high value for the expenditure (Value being defined in terms of the various benefits articulated in this thread). Dhananjay From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 19:37:04 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:07:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 23:33:22 +0530") References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: [...] > We've decide the mailing list to be the place for clarifying and > resolving issues and lets welcome comments so long as we can still > ensure we can deal with them and work to closure quickly. [...] Agreed and I think one days worth of discussion is okay for one of the largest potential expenses that we can incur. FWIW, I don't think your initial mail was inappropriate (almost nothing is). I was a little surprised but it's best to clear all this on the list (along with the flames, smoke and the rest of it) rather than resort to private emails and phone calls. A few practical points. If we decide on this quickly, we can try to meet some of the people we're inviting (if we are) at the PyCon in Atlanta (that's why I started this business). -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ramdaz at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 19:54:18 2011 From: ramdaz at gmail.com (Ramdas S) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:24:18 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > [...] > > > We've decide the mailing list to be the place for clarifying and > > resolving issues and lets welcome comments so long as we can still > > ensure we can deal with them and work to closure quickly. > > [...] > > Agreed and I think one days worth of discussion is okay for one of the > largest potential expenses that we can incur. > > FWIW, I don't think your initial mail was inappropriate (almost nothing > is). I was a little surprised but it's best to clear all this on the > list (along with the flames, smoke and the rest of it) rather than > resort to private emails and phone calls. > > A few practical points. If we decide on this quickly, we can try to meet > some of the people we're inviting (if we are) at the PyCon in Atlanta > (that's why I started this business). > > > Since the majority feels that International speakers do add value, at least as far as I see. I think we must go ahead and make the necessary invites. Let's close this thread here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 19:58:24 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:28:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Ramdas S.'s message of "Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:24:18 +0530") References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87zkppp63z.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 22 2011, Ramdas S wrote: [...] > Since the majority feels that International speakers do add value, at > least as far as I see. I think we must go ahead and make the necessary > invites. Let's close this thread here. [...] Dhananjay should be the one to decide this. Whether it's decided or not and whether we should invite or not. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 20:07:22 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 00:37:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87zkppp63z.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> <87zkppp63z.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22 2011, Ramdas S wrote: > > > [...] > >> Since the majority feels that International speakers do add value, at >> least as far as I see. I think we must go ahead and make the necessary >> invites. ?Let's close this thread here. > > [...] > > Dhananjay should be the one to decide this. Whether it's decided or not > and whether we should invite or not. > Here's my thought - final strong objections if any to inviting foreign speaker to be received by Feb 22 11:59 pm. (I've already thrown in my hat as an abstainer). Decision if no objections received to be automatically in favour of inviting foreign speaker. If objections received, to be furiously attempted to be resolved into a decision by Feb 23 11:59 pm. I would like to keep this decision open since there could be a few more interested enthusiasts who might still believe they would like further discussion. This in my opinion should still give us time given that Pycon is on March 9th. However we could expedite this if for some reason we believe these deadlines (of upto 2 more days) would make it hard. (Though even expediting it could be a little hard). Dhananjay From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 21:03:55 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:33:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <1298269617.14666.5.camel@localhost> References: <1298269617.14666.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 10:51 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: >> outside the event itself (is the extra money PyCon money, or IPSS >> money?) > > pycon money - IPSS will have to raise it's own funds for other > activities. It holds the conference money in trust for pycon. Whats the right place to discuss this further? This list or the ipss list (or both?). From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 21:14:22 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:44:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM, ? ?????? ? wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 04:51, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> >> a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be >> influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate > > Sounds unfair to tag a delegate as "foreign" or count on their > attendance as the reason why Indians will attend. If that is the > measurement yardstick, do we have enough "Indian" pythonista's with > enough star credentials to pull in the crowds? The analogy (argument?) > seems meaningless. My considerations were primarily from an expenditure perspective. The foreignness was incidental. I could've said high expenditure speakers. With regards to why some will attend, I think there is some empirical evidence to suggest that attendance gets influenced. Other folks on this thread who organise multiple conferences a year have also indicated that some correlation does exist. Un-ideal ? Yes. Meaningless ? Not in my empirical sphere. >> b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India >> whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to >> explain. > > Its not dualism and I agree with Noufal on this. There are many people > who would not be able to hear Raymond or Jacob or Ian Python devel here> speak and this is a nice opportunity to listen to > them share their knowledge. > > Secondly, your "dualism" point fails as you dont have some facts > right. The PSF's grants (are hardly a sekrit, all the information is > available on their blogs and on the website) helps funds many people > (They dont discriminate on the basis of citizenship) for Pycon each > year. I had suggested a similar process for INpycon on multiple > occasions (last year a women's travel grant on the lines of > Euro-python) , but funds and sponsors were an issue. If anyone wants > to help kickstart this for INpycon you have a volunteer :) > > >> Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully >> paid for by PSF should be fine). > > Disagree, If they are invited by us, WE need to take care of the > hospitality aspects. Trust my response to other emails from Noufal, satisfactorily reflects an understanding of the points made in your mail here too. From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Mon Feb 21 21:16:16 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:46:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:04 PM, JAGANADH G wrote: > >> It is unfortunate that we are discussing the whys and not the >> hows of things at this point of time. I am sorry to say, but >> the original email by the O.P to the list was highly uncalled >> for at this time. > > +1 > > > There is no pint in discussing this issue. I'm certain that was a typo, but I really really wish there actually was a "pint" in there somewhere :). From goodger at python.org Mon Feb 21 23:16:30 2011 From: goodger at python.org (David Goodger) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:16:30 -0500 Subject: [Inpycon] suggestions for PyCon India Message-ID: [I found this in my email drafts folder; thought I'd sent it long ago. Hopefully it isn't stale ;-) ] Hi all, I had a great time in Bangalore, and I was impressed by the size & scope of PyCon India in only its second year. I have some suggestions based on my experience organizing the US PyCon over the years. Some have already been mentioned here (I know I heard some discussed). * You should add time between talks, 5 or 10 minutes. Attendees need time for moving between rooms, and the next speakers need time to set up their laptops. * At PyCon US, we have "time remaining" signs: 10 minutes, 5 minutes, STOP. These are very useful for the session chair (MC), who can be sitting in or near the front row and watching a clock. * Speakers should be encouraged (required) to repeat any questions they are asked. Often the people on the other side of the room cannot hear the questions. The recordings rarely pick up the questions. * Speakers and MC's should feel free to defer questions to the end of a talk, especially if the questioner is insistent. * Speakers should not run off immediately after a talk, but move swiftly to the hallway and answer any after-talk questions. * As you grow, you may choose to add parallel features (e.g. open space) and secondary events (e.g. development sprints, tutorials). You already had the FOSSEE sessions for beginners, a great idea! But take it slowly, and don't add anything before you're ready. * I noticed some audio feedback when people were speaking. This can be reduced by placing the microphone closer to the speaker's mouth. The further away, the higher the gain must be, and the more likely feedback becomes. Something to tell your speakers. * These kinds of instructions for speakers can be printed up ahead of time, and given to speakers and MCs. If you're interested, I can get the instruction sheet from US PyCon. * A "green room" is very useful: a room for speakers with a spare projector (to test laptop connections), wired network connections, a printer, water, etc. This can double as a conference office. * WiFi at conferences is always an issue. 802.11 was not designed for such high user densities. In a nutshell, at PyCon US we deploy lots of real APs (not laptops!), at low power (important!) on alternating channels, to reduce interference. We are lucky to have Sean Reifschneider, a sysadmin and networking guru who has effectively deployed wireless for many years. Sean has written reports about PyCon's wireless here: http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/pycon2010-network/ (with links to earlier years). * Pre-printed badges with icons for speakers (and anything else you want to track) are a good way to see at a glance who is missing. * It's best to avoid staggered starting times. Sometimes it's unavoidable, but try hard! * One way to handle the lunch/break rush is to stagger the *ends* of talks just before lunch/breaks. For example, some talks can end 15 minutes later than others. * Lightning talks are particularly popular at US PyCon, to the point where it was unfair to schedule other talks against them, so we made them plenary. * For North American conferences, as you grow in attendance, costs go up per-person (you have to move from free space to hotels or conference centers). If this is true in India as well, you may consider holding multiple regional conferences instead of one national conference. It's not ideal, but it's one way to keep costs down. * I noticed a large drop-off in attendance between Saturday and Sunday. It seems to have happened last year as well. Why is that? Most importantly: notwithstanding any of the above, please don't imitate any other conference too closely. It would be a shame to lose the unique character of PyCon India. -- David Goodger -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 05:03:28 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 09:33:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 22 Feb 2011 01:33:55 +0530") References: <1298269617.14666.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <87zkpo1zsf.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 22 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:56 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 10:51 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: >>> outside the event itself (is the extra money PyCon money, or IPSS >>> money?) >> >> pycon money - IPSS will have to raise it's own funds for other >> activities. It holds the conference money in trust for pycon. > > Whats the right place to discuss this further? This list or the ipss > list (or both?). [...] The IPSS list I think but maybe we should leave that for later? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 06:13:20 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:13:20 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 17:19, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, ? ?????? ? wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> > On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like >> > GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python >> > language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done >> > and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly >> > against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial >> > entity. >> > > We can argue the merits and demerits of inviting a foreign > delegate till we all run out of energy and time and go by > some lame decision. > > On the other hand, think about it objectively. The fact is > that right now in India, there are no Python developers in the > league and class of a Raymond Hettinger or Michael Foord > for example, who can give a first hand perspective of the Python > community and the software development.? I have been in the > list for a long time and you can take it first hand from me. If > anyone doesn't agree he or she is welcome to have a discussion > with me directly about it off-list. I am sure I can bring you to see > my viewpoint. > > Excuse me, but where were you last year when we decided > to invite David Goodger ? And pray I may ask, what is your > personal contribution to this conference apart from providing > generally negative criticism when an issue of importance > comes up ? I took the lead in getting PSF funding for David > and Noufal and myself co-ordinated to get David for the > conference. Where were all this self-righteousness > and the question of "IPSS funds" at that time ? Anand, you have quoted a part of my mail in your reply so Is the above addressed to me or to Dhananjay? FYI, I've been on this list since its inception, in case you have any doubts. The suggestion to not invite speakers is Dhananjay's NOT mine but as your replies to list mails are not trimmed properly it adds to the confusion. I suggest you trim parts of the post you are replying to and/or retain the OP's mail headers. It will cause less thread drift and misunderstandings. >> >> In the long run, the IPSS has to do more than just conduct a >> conference. However, we are not in a position to do that yet and this >> list and discussion are for the conference. > > +1. Right now one of the, if not the main activity of IPSS is > to run the conference and run it in the best possible manner. > I am personally convinced that bringing in an experienced > programmer or Python community stalwart as a keynote > speaker is the right thing to do in order to add some cream > to the conference. > > It is unfortunate that we are discussing the whys and not the > hows of things at this point of time. I am sorry to say, but > the original email by the O.P to the list was highly uncalled > for at this time. Anand, I am not the OP, so do quote the appropriate person in your replies. It will save all of us a lot of time and cause less misunderstandings. -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 06:14:39 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:14:39 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 17:41, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM, ? ?????? ? wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 04:51, Dhananjay Nene >> wrote: >> > >> > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be >> > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate >> >> Sounds unfair to tag a delegate as "foreign" or count on their >> attendance as the reason why Indians will attend. If that is the >> measurement yardstick, do we have enough "Indian" pythonista's with >> enough star credentials to pull in the crowds? The analogy (argument?) >> seems meaningless. >> >> >> > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India >> > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to >> > explain. >> >> Its not dualism and I agree with Noufal on this. There are many people >> who would not be able to hear Raymond or Jacob or Ian > Python devel here> speak and this is a nice opportunity to listen to >> them share their knowledge. >> >> Secondly, your "dualism" point fails as you dont have some facts >> right. The PSF's grants (are hardly a sekrit, all the information is >> available on their blogs and on the website) helps funds many people >> (They dont discriminate on the basis of citizenship) for Pycon each >> year. I had suggested a similar process for INpycon on multiple >> occasions (last year a women's travel grant on the lines of >> Euro-python) , but funds and sponsors were an issue. If anyone wants >> to help kickstart this for INpycon you have a volunteer :) >> >> >> > Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully >> > paid for by PSF should be fine). >> >> Disagree, If they are invited by us, WE need to take care of the >> hospitality aspects. Secondly, if your argument is only based on how >> IPSS utilizes the funds it has collected -- well, in that case, IPSS >> which holds the money "in trust" for INpycon should spend it for the >> very reason it was setup, for/on the conference. Diverting funds for >> other tasks, however noble they may be, isnt the core activity of >> IPSS. >> >> > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine >> > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of >> > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my >> > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review >> > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have >> > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to >> > supporting the growth of python in India. >> >> -1 to diverting the INpycon/delegate fees collected for the >> conference. It does not seem ethical at all. Rather, I would argue >> that instead of expecting a non-profit like IPSS to do the heavy >> lifting for them, companies that use python have a vested interest in >> promoting the language and that financial gain is motivation enough >> for them to consider investing on hiring and training employees, etc > > "Diverting" in what sense ? I think you are arguing against your own > arguments which you made above. Anand, again, are you replying to Dhananjay or to my mail, because this is the second time you quote my mail (which was in favor of getting a foreign speakers and opposing Dhananjay's suggestion to not invite foreign speakers and use the money for other altruistic tasks like spreading python). Not trimming the posts in your replies adds to the misunderstanding, so I suggest you trim parts of the post you are replying to and/or retain the OP's mail headers. It will cause less thread drift and misunderstandings. > This is not an ideal world, where we use the money we generate > in the conference for purely "altruistic" activities such as giving > training for students and the like. It is also an important activity going > forward, but we started with the conference which is our main activity > right now and it is only the right thing to "divert" any funds we generated > from it last year towards doing it well this year. If that involves inviting > a foreign delegate, it is part of the expenditure - the money is not > going to anybody's pockets here.? We as a responsible society is > fully entrusted to publish the statement of our accounts and make > a clean breast of all our income and expenditure. > > It is kind of strange to argue that just because we are a community > organized conference with average funds, we should be focusing > only on talks by local people. Getting a foreign delegate to talk, if > he is the right person, does attract interest and limelight to the > conference and I think it is only the fair thing to do to the average > student or programmer who is attending the conference, to expose > him to some international Python talent. He would be only happy > to get his money's worth for getting to meet such people right here > in India. Again, you are better off replying to Dhananjay, not me. In case you didnt notice, I was on your side. > > >> >> .... >> >> On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like >> GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python >> language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done >> and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly >> against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial >> entity. >> >> -- >> vid ? http://svaksha.com ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > -- > --Anand PLEASE can you trim your posts and avoid confusing me (and probably others). -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 06:17:36 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:17:36 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 17:41, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > > On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 7:05 PM, ? ?????? ? wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 04:51, Dhananjay Nene >> wrote: >> > >> > a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be >> > influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate >> >> Sounds unfair to tag a delegate as "foreign" or count on their >> attendance as the reason why Indians will attend. If that is the >> measurement yardstick, do we have enough "Indian" pythonista's with >> enough star credentials to pull in the crowds? The analogy (argument?) >> seems meaningless. >> >> >> > b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India >> > whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to >> > explain. >> >> Its not dualism and I agree with Noufal on this. There are many people >> who would not be able to hear Raymond or Jacob or Ian > Python devel here> speak and this is a nice opportunity to listen to >> them share their knowledge. >> >> Secondly, your "dualism" point fails as you dont have some facts >> right. The PSF's grants (are hardly a sekrit, all the information is >> available on their blogs and on the website) helps funds many people >> (They dont discriminate on the basis of citizenship) for Pycon each >> year. I had suggested a similar process for INpycon on multiple >> occasions (last year a women's travel grant on the lines of >> Euro-python) , but funds and sponsors were an issue. If anyone wants >> to help kickstart this for INpycon you have a volunteer :) >> >> >> > Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully >> > paid for by PSF should be fine). >> >> Disagree, If they are invited by us, WE need to take care of the >> hospitality aspects. Secondly, if your argument is only based on how >> IPSS utilizes the funds it has collected -- well, in that case, IPSS >> which holds the money "in trust" for INpycon should spend it for the >> very reason it was setup, for/on the conference. Diverting funds for >> other tasks, however noble they may be, isnt the core activity of >> IPSS. >> >> > d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine >> > sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of >> > code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my >> > mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review >> > perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have >> > a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to >> > supporting the growth of python in India. >> >> -1 to diverting the INpycon/delegate fees collected for the >> conference. It does not seem ethical at all. Rather, I would argue >> that instead of expecting a non-profit like IPSS to do the heavy >> lifting for them, companies that use python have a vested interest in >> promoting the language and that financial gain is motivation enough >> for them to consider investing on hiring and training employees, etc > > "Diverting" in what sense ? I think you are arguing against your own > arguments which you made above. Anand, again, are you replying to Dhananjay or to my mail, because this is the second time you quote my mail (which was in favor of getting a foreign speakers and opposing Dhananjay's suggestion to not invite foreign speakers and use the money for other altruistic tasks like spreading python). Not trimming the posts in your replies adds to the misunderstanding, so I suggest you trim parts of the post you are replying to and/or retain the OP's mail headers. It will cause less thread drift and misunderstandings. > This is not an ideal world, where we use the money we generate > in the conference for purely "altruistic" activities such as giving > training for students and the like. It is also an important activity going > forward, but we started with the conference which is our main activity > right now and it is only the right thing to "divert" any funds we generated > from it last year towards doing it well this year. If that involves inviting > a foreign delegate, it is part of the expenditure - the money is not > going to anybody's pockets here.? We as a responsible society is > fully entrusted to publish the statement of our accounts and make > a clean breast of all our income and expenditure. > > It is kind of strange to argue that just because we are a community > organized conference with average funds, we should be focusing > only on talks by local people. Getting a foreign delegate to talk, if > he is the right person, does attract interest and limelight to the > conference and I think it is only the fair thing to do to the average > student or programmer who is attending the conference, to expose > him to some international Python talent. He would be only happy > to get his money's worth for getting to meet such people right here > in India. Again, you are better off replying to Dhananjay, not me. In case you didnt notice, I was on your side. > > >> >> .... >> >> On the topic of IPSS conducting SOC's, would it be a floss-based (like >> GSOC and RedHat/Fedora) SOC, since the conference is about the python >> language and not just Libre software. This is easier said than done >> and unless this is discussed and clarified properly, I am strongly >> against IPSS funds being used to (inadvertently) benefit a commercial >> entity. >> >> -- >> vid ? http://svaksha.com ? >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > -- > --Anand PLEASE can you trim your posts and avoid confusing me (and probably others). -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 06:36:45 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 05:36:45 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 20:14, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > My considerations were primarily from an expenditure perspective. The > foreignness was incidental. I could've said high expenditure speakers. Fine, but not everything is measurable in terms of direct cost/expense, Intangible benefits and goodwill being some. > With regards to why some will attend, I think there is some empirical > evidence to suggest that attendance gets influenced. [citation needed] > Trust my response to other emails from Noufal, satisfactorily reflects > an understanding of the points made in your mail here too. It does :) -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 06:45:16 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:15:16 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] suggestions for PyCon India In-Reply-To: (David Goodger's message of "Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:16:30 -0500") References: Message-ID: <87zkpozkpf.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 22 2011, David Goodger wrote: [...] > * WiFi at conferences is always an issue. 802.11 was not designed for > such high user densities. In a nutshell, at PyCon US we deploy lots of > real APs (not laptops!), at low power (important!) on alternating > channels, to reduce interference. We are lucky to have Sean > Reifschneider, a sysadmin and networking guru who has effectively > deployed wireless for many years. Sean has written reports about > PyCon's wireless here: > http://www.tummy.com/Community/Articles/pycon2010-network/ (with links > to earlier years). [...] This is super important. Does anyone here have contacts at some internet service provider that we can ask to sponsor wifi? It would be super awesome if that could be managed. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 07:13:09 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:13:09 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] suggestions for PyCon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 22:16, David Goodger wrote: > [I found this in my email drafts folder; thought I'd sent it long ago. > Hopefully it isn't stale ;-) ] > > Hi all, > > I had a great time in Bangalore, and I was impressed by the size & scope of > PyCon India in only its second year. I have some suggestions based on my > experience organizing the US PyCon over the years. Some have already been > mentioned here (I know I heard some discussed). Thanks for the same. > * Speakers and MC's should feel free to defer questions to the end of a > talk, especially if the questioner is insistent. True, when the speakers encourage questions in the middle of his/her talk, it encourages tangential discussions (or even trolls) which prevents the speaker from completing their talk, or rushing through the remaining bits and/or borrowing a few moments from the next talk. Any of these will throw the schedule out of gear and the audience feels cheated out of listening to a technical talk. I'd suggest the hall marshall/oderators (folks managing the hall?) should have powers to enforce some discipline incase they notice that the speaker is unable to manage the audience, enforce time limits. Another alternative is to keep one mike in the middle of the hall, all the audience members with questions can stand in a queue to get their queries cleared. This will hopefully reduce one person hogging the speaker all to themselves. > * These kinds of instructions for speakers can be printed up ahead of time, > and given to speakers and MCs. If you're interested, I can get the > instruction sheet from US PyCon. Could they be added to the pycon wiki or on wiki.python.org? I can help if needed. > * For North American conferences, as you grow in attendance, costs go up > per-person (you have to move from free space to hotels or conference > centers). If this is true in India as well, you may consider holding > multiple regional conferences instead of one national conference. It's not > ideal, but it's one way to keep costs down. Commercial spaces are very expensive in India too. Smaller confs/unconf distributed around the year makes more fiscal sense and increases the people reach for those folks who may be busy and/or cannot travel to a main conf in the metros. > * I noticed a large drop-off in attendance between Saturday and Sunday. It > seems to have happened last year as well. Why is that? Not sure why exactly but this is something I've seen happen at bangalore-barcamp (a free unconf) too. Saturdays is a workday so people tend to go out more(?). -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 07:18:03 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:18:03 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87tyg09nu9.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87aahxoin2.fsf@gmail.com> <1297767371.6571.83.camel@localhost> <8739npi4dj.fsf@gmail.com> <877hcxnvy0.fsf@gmail.com> <87tyg09nu9.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 13:05, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Roshan Mathews wrote: > >> +1 for inviting Zed. > > [...] > > Well then, my proposal is as follows. > > 1. Zed Shaw > 2. Steve Holden If these are the final names, +1 for both (budget permitting ofcourse). -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From vid at svaksha.com Tue Feb 22 07:25:08 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 06:25:08 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 06:04, Navin Kabra wrote: > I: Introductory and Web (this is the newbies/evangelism/101 track) > II: Experienced (this is for pythonistas, with prereqs) I, III and IV sound good but care to explain what you mean by "...with prereqs"? Does it mean its not open to ALL attendees Or did you mean its akin to the "Extreme tracks" that pycon-Atlanta is holding? then, +1 to Extreme talks. > For this conference, we don't want to really focus on the size of the > audience - rather we would like to really try hard to get good quality, > advanced talks. We'll insist on there being enough advanced talks; and > aggressively reject "introductory" talks that can't be accommodated in the > introductory track. I hope the above does not mean "introductory" talks are not welcome. I assume introductory talks are welcome as Quality is relative and hardly determined by tags ("advanced"/"introductory"), rather, its the subject-domain that makes the difference as Python spans a vast array of subjects. A case in point, among the half-a-dozen "Novice" talks listed here, its possible that a Genetic programmer might be interested in listening how puppet is used to build the development/production environment for his/her code, and viceversa. Isnt there something that one may not know, always? YMMV. http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/97/ http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/56/ http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/12/ http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/113/ http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/83/ http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/presentations/155/ > 1. How much to charge? Reference: Pycon 2010 charged 250 for early bird, 350 > for not-so-early bird, and 500 on the spot. Current thinking is to keep it > the same. Agree. > Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 Tutorials if there are people who > want to attend just that. Is that per tutorial over and above the 250 registration fee? If a person chooses two tutorials then he/she pays 300 bucks and they are likely to compare it to the registration cost which is lower. Something that should be considered before arriving at a price point is the marketability of the Speaker(read, Teacher?), the demand for the tutorial topic with respect to the crowd that attends -- i.e. students, who formed the large percentage of 2010. You would know better how Pune will pan out. > 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and maybe > they don't have the star power that we think they have. This is being discussed in another thread so no redux. -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 07:29:29 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 11:59:29 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > > [...] > > > We've decide the mailing list to be the place for clarifying and > > resolving issues and lets welcome comments so long as we can still > > ensure we can deal with them and work to closure quickly. > > [...] > > Agreed and I think one days worth of discussion is okay for one of the > largest potential expenses that we can incur. > > FWIW, I don't think your initial mail was inappropriate (almost nothing > is). I was a little surprised but it's best to clear all this on the > list (along with the flames, smoke and the rest of it) rather than > resort to private emails and phone calls. > When I said "uncalled for", this is what I meant. The issue could have been thrashed out between some of us privately by an email to a few or a phone call before splashing it widely to the list. I didn't mean that we shouldn't discuss these things. If I gave off such a nuance, please excuse me. I think some of us in this list deserve such a treatment considering the effort we have taken in organizing many aspects of this conference last year. As stake holders in IPSS and Inpycon and as some of the pioneers and early leaders in this forum and the conference, we deserve and expect it. I am sorry to say it out loud in this list, but considering the volume of opinionated emails from those who lend more out of their vocal cords and typing fingers rather than lending a hand or a leg on the ground, I felt I had to say it. > > A few practical points. If we decide on this quickly, we can try to meet > some of the people we're inviting (if we are) at the PyCon in Atlanta > (that's why I started this business). > > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From navin at smriti.com Tue Feb 22 07:48:36 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:18:36 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:55 AM, ? ?????? ? wrote: > I, III and IV sound good but care to explain what you mean by "...with > prereqs"? Does it mean its not open to ALL attendees Or did you mean > its akin to the "Extreme tracks" that pycon-Atlanta is holding? then, > +1 to Extreme talks. > Yes, something akin to extreme tracks. The speaker will not spend time explaining anything that is listed in the pre-reqs, and will jump directly into the meat of the talk. Anybody is free to attend, but they should be aware that the talk might not make sense if they're not familiar with the pre-reqs. > > For this conference, we don't want to really focus on the size of the > > audience - rather we would like to really try hard to get good quality, > > advanced talks. We'll insist on there being enough advanced talks; and > > aggressively reject "introductory" talks that can't be accommodated in > the > > introductory track. > > I hope the above does not mean "introductory" talks are not welcome. I assume introductory talks are welcome as Quality is relative and > hardly determined by tags ("advanced"/"introductory"), rather, its the > subject-domain that makes the difference as Python spans a vast array > of subjects. A case in point, among the half-a-dozen "Novice" talks > listed here, its possible that a Genetic programmer might be > interested in listening how puppet is used to build the > development/production environment for his/her code, and viceversa. > Isnt there something that one may not know, always? YMMV. > I think we need to separate out "introductory" into two parts. One set talks that give an introductory overview to something that is in the python world itself, or at least something that a reasonably experienced python programmer is expected know know already, or can easily pickup (e.g. using sqlalchemy with django, test driven development, beyond django 101). These are more advanced than tutorials, but still not very useful for the advanced pythonistas. We would like to restrict such talks to just one track. A second set of introductory talks give an overview of something that is from a different domain. e.g. genetic programming. We're hoping to create related groupings of such talks to put them in the themed track. e.g. on session on talks on documentation related talks. The main point we wanted to make was to have at least one track that only has "advanced" talks, i.e. python experience required. > > Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 Tutorials if there are people who > > want to attend just that. > > Is that per tutorial over and above the 250 registration fee? It wasn't per tutorial, but for the whole day. But the numbers we came up with were just strawmen. Suggestions are welcome. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 07:50:17 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:20:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> <1298287482.14666.33.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1298357417.14666.34.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 17:11 +0530, Roshan Mathews wrote: > > I am more worried > > about getting sponsors - the one company I was hoping for has > refused > > (although the open source division of the company is still trying to > do > > something - but it will not be platinum). > > > > Worrying already? I don't think people have even started pitching to > companies yet, it's too early to get all pessimistic. well run companies finalise their budget in march -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 07:53:09 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:23:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: >> >> [...] >> >> > We've decide the mailing list to be the place for clarifying and >> > resolving issues and lets welcome comments so long as we can still >> > ensure we can deal with them and work to closure quickly. >> >> [...] >> >> Agreed and I think one days worth of discussion is okay for one of the >> largest potential expenses that we can incur. >> >> FWIW, I don't think your initial mail was inappropriate (almost nothing >> is). I was a little surprised but it's best to clear all this on the >> list (along with the flames, smoke and the rest of it) rather than >> resort to private emails and phone calls. > > ?When I said "uncalled for", this is what I meant. The issue could > ?have been thrashed out between some of us privately by an > ?email to a few or a phone call before splashing it widely to the list. > ?I didn't mean that we shouldn't discuss these things. If I gave > ?off such a nuance, please excuse me. I am getting extremely conflicting signals. I am confused. > ?I think some of us in this list deserve such a treatment considering > ?the effort we have taken in organizing many aspects of this conference > ?last year. As stake holders in IPSS and Inpycon and as? some of the > ?pioneers and early leaders in this forum and the conference, we deserve > ?and expect it. A courtesy many including myself will only be too happy to extend, provided we believe this is preferred way of doing things. > I am sorry to say it out loud in this list, but considering > ?the volume of opinionated emails from those who lend more out > ?of their vocal cords and typing fingers rather than lending a hand > ?or a leg on the ground, I felt I had to say it. Unclear where this is directed. But again, I thought thats a part and parcel of the way things get done. I think it is important to bring this out in the open. Anand, what you refer to here is exactly the way I am used to the most historically - if I may give that a name, the quiet diplomacy approach. At the same time, I am led to believe that the preferred approach is to really bring out all the issues in the open and thrash them in the open - the loya jirga way. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loya_jirga). There is an obvious tradeoff between these approaches not limited to how they influence noise, transparency, involvement etc. Add to that the complete amorphousness of decision making structures. While there is transparency, there does remain a lot of ambiguousness since there is no specific team in charge of decision making, something I am adapting to though have never had to deal with this degree of amorphousness ever before. So my simple question is -> How do we want to handle it going forward. Dhananjay From anandology at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:24:28 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:54:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: >> > Maybe charge Rs. 150 for Day 0 Tutorials if there are people who >> > want to attend just that. >> >> Is that per tutorial over and above the 250 registration fee? > > It wasn't per tutorial, but for the whole day. But the numbers we came up > with were just strawmen. Suggestions are welcome. What if someone registers for the tutorials by paying Rs.150 and then he want to attend the regular conference? Will he pay just Rs. 100 extra? I suggest to keep the registration process simple. Too many tiers and options is difficult to manage. Anand From abpillai at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:45:41 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:15:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai > wrote: > > > > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:07 AM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > >> > >> On Mon, Feb 21 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> > We've decide the mailing list to be the place for clarifying and > >> > resolving issues and lets welcome comments so long as we can still > >> > ensure we can deal with them and work to closure quickly. > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> Agreed and I think one days worth of discussion is okay for one of the > >> largest potential expenses that we can incur. > >> > >> FWIW, I don't think your initial mail was inappropriate (almost nothing > >> is). I was a little surprised but it's best to clear all this on the > >> list (along with the flames, smoke and the rest of it) rather than > >> resort to private emails and phone calls. > > > > When I said "uncalled for", this is what I meant. The issue could > > have been thrashed out between some of us privately by an > > email to a few or a phone call before splashing it widely to the list. > > I didn't mean that we shouldn't discuss these things. If I gave > > off such a nuance, please excuse me. > > I am getting extremely conflicting signals. I am confused. > I don't think we need to muddle this further. My point simply was that there are a few things which I had thought was accepted and the prime aim of this list is to thrash out the "hows" of handling them and getting the job done, rather than the "whys". One among them is the aspect of an experienced Python dev as keynote speaker (I don't want to mention "foreign delegate" anymore, it is taking all kinds of connotations I never ascribed to it myself). These among others were some of the aspects I had taken for granted in this conference, that we had general consensus upon. So clearly I was confused and frankly a bit irritated when the main conference co-ordinator himself started raising these as things to further muse upon, i.e aspects which were not clear to him. I don't have anything against that, but then a better place of discussion would be the IPSS list for such whys and other related philosophical matters. This is essentially a HOWTO list where we get things done and don't waste too much of energies on discussing the whys of stuff. Build consensus elsewhere, either in IPSS list or phone calls or direct emails and take action points to this list. That is the discipline which we need to maintain I think. > > > I think some of us in this list deserve such a treatment considering > > the effort we have taken in organizing many aspects of this conference > > last year. As stake holders in IPSS and Inpycon and as some of the > > pioneers and early leaders in this forum and the conference, we deserve > > and expect it. > > A courtesy many including myself will only be too happy to extend, > provided we believe this is preferred way of doing things. > > I normally never write like that and I don't demand such treatment, I think it should be the normal way of things. People earn these things, they don't come to them suddenly one day. Anyway, proposing the issue of a keynote speaker as a why, i.e an action item which has some questions against it, was not something I expected. I had thought we had gone through enough discussions and iterations on that aspect in this list and elsewhere last year and we had built a general consensus on the pluses of it, but now I see that everyone don't see things in black and white about it as I do. No problem, but let us take it to the list it deserves, not here. That is it. -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 09:00:21 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:30:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:23:09 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 22 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Anand Balachandran Pillai [...] >> ?When I said "uncalled for", this is what I meant. The issue could >> ?have been thrashed out between some of us privately by an >> ?email to a few or a phone call before splashing it widely to the list. >> ?I didn't mean that we shouldn't discuss these things. If I gave >> ?off such a nuance, please excuse me. > > I am getting extremely conflicting signals. I am confused. I'm not exactly clear about Anand's point of view. It's best he clarifies. My own personal stand is that everything should be publicly discussed. The only exception is for tasks allocated to specific individuals (e.g. "Anand, can you fix the email thing on the website") which are not relevant to the general public. I don't like the idea of privately thrashing out something *before* putting it on the list. If there seems to be too much fluff on the list, I'm for having a private, more focussed discussion but that's the second option. Not the first. We had one or two face to face meetings for the last two conferences (which was open and announced on the list - i.e. anyone could attend) and they did help but most of the stuff was on the list. >> ?I think some of us in this list deserve such a treatment considering >> ?the effort we have taken in organizing many aspects of this >> conference ?last year. As stake holders in IPSS and Inpycon and as? >> some of the ?pioneers and early leaders in this forum and the >> conference, we deserve ?and expect it. > > A courtesy many including myself will only be too happy to extend, > provided we believe this is preferred way of doing things. Again, speaking for myself, I don't expect (or for that matter want) any preferential treatment. Flames, disagreements (sometimes brash ones), helpful people, annoying people, trolls, time wasters are all fine by me. I'm going to be vocal about my points of view and my opinions on the work done by others and I don't mind people being vocal about me either. Equal treatment is fine as long as the people asking for it understand that it involves responsibilities and if they don't put up, they're going to get called out. >> I am sorry to say it out loud in this list, but considering >> ?the volume of opinionated emails from those who lend more out >> ?of their vocal cords and typing fingers rather than lending a hand >> ?or a leg on the ground, I felt I had to say it. > > Unclear where this is directed. But again, I thought thats a part and > parcel of the way things get done. Yup. There's going to be lots of armchair philosophers, consultants, oracles and others. I *specifically* mentioned this in my "Road to PyCon India" talk (http://in.pycon.org/2010/static/files/talks/9/road-to-pycon-india.pdf - slide 14). My general approach is to ignore these people rather than to give them any oxygen of respectability. If however, they start to drag genuine volunteers into the ground, it's a good idea to boot them off. > I think it is important to bring this out in the open. Anand, what you > refer to here is exactly the way I am used to the most historically - > if I may give that a name, the quiet diplomacy approach. At the same > time, I am led to believe that the preferred approach is to really > bring out all the issues in the open and thrash them in the open - the > loya jirga way. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loya_jirga). There is an > obvious tradeoff between these approaches not limited to how they > influence noise, transparency, involvement etc. > > Add to that the complete amorphousness of decision making structures. > While there is transparency, there does remain a lot of ambiguousness > since there is no specific team in charge of decision making, > something I am adapting to though have never had to deal with this > degree of amorphousness ever before. > > So my simple question is -> How do we want to handle it going forward. Your call. Speaking for myself, I don't like private discussions and cabals of decision makes that command a workforce. It does make things "smooth" but in a corporate, office like way and one of the reasons I hang out on fora like this is because it's not like that. You have final say in all matters and have freedom to delegate anything to anyone you see fit. Sometimes, you'll have to make summary decisions that might not be the best but which are necessary to make the conference happen rather than to get it "perfect". If you feel it better to have a small group that makes decisions (after or before a public decision) fine. If you feel that it's better to throw all things out into the open and then wait for things to converge before making a decision, that's fine too. That's my take. [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:28:26 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 12:58:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298359706.2347.0.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 13:35 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: > well, in that case, IPSS > which holds the money "in trust" for INpycon should spend it for the > very reason it was setup, for/on the conference. Diverting funds for > other tasks, however noble they may be, isnt the core activity of > IPSS. please discuss this on IPSS list - not here -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:33:37 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:03:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <8762seueil.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298360017.2347.1.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 23:52 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > In summary, I think > > - We conduct this conference once a year. It's our primary aim and > so > > we should do all we can to make it better. > > - If there's an expense we can incur that will improve the > conference, > > financial parsimony is misplaced. We should spend. > > A discussion on perhaps one of the biggest expenditure items to be > remotely construed as parsimony is surprising. Treat it as fiscal > expenditure evaluation if you will, but as a larger budget item it > must be discussed. I have now moved from -0 to +0 on this issue. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:37:51 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:07:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298360271.2347.2.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 00:24 +0530, Ramdas S wrote: > Since the majority feels that International speakers do add value, at > least > as far as I see. I think we must go ahead and make the necessary > invites. > Let's close this thread here. before invites, is it not the practice to send feelers to see if they will be available at that time (have we fixed the dates?) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:40:27 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:10:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <1298269617.14666.5.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1298360427.2347.4.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 01:33 +0530, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > > pycon money - IPSS will have to raise it's own funds for other > > activities. It holds the conference money in trust for pycon. > > Whats the right place to discuss this further? This list or the ipss > list (or both?). ipss list - all this list is concerned with is that ipss was formed for the purpose of getting a bank account for the conference. ipss puts in and shells out the money as required. (we have a small amount of funds from subscriptions - but that is probably just enough to cover office expenses). -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:43:56 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:13:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: <87zkpo1zsf.fsf@gmail.com> References: <1298269617.14666.5.camel@localhost> <87zkpo1zsf.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298360636.2347.5.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 09:33 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Whats the right place to discuss this further? This list or the ipss > > list (or both?). > > [...] > > The IPSS list I think but maybe we should leave that for later? if there are any otherwise jobless people around, I have a lot of work for them to do on the ipss front. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 08:52:40 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 13:22:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] suggestions for PyCon India In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298361160.2347.10.camel@localhost> On Mon, 2011-02-21 at 17:16 -0500, David Goodger wrote: > * I noticed a large drop-off in attendance between Saturday and > Sunday. It > seems to have happened last year as well. Why is that? it is a common feature in India. Saturday is usually a working day for students and they troop in. Sunday is a holiday and only the hard core people and those from outside turn up. In many conferences you see a huge crowd in the morning until lunch - then lots of people vanish. This is specially true for government organised conferences - but the attitude has spilt over even to LUG conferences. The main reason seems to be that in most of these conferences the delegates spend little or no money, and so their commitment to the conference is less. -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From navin at smriti.com Tue Feb 22 10:32:03 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:02:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > My own personal stand is that everything should be publicly > discussed. The only exception is for tasks allocated to specific > individuals (e.g. "Anand, can you fix the email thing on the website") > which are not relevant to the general public. > > I don't like the idea of privately thrashing out something *before* > putting it on the list. +1 for thrashing out things on the list. Speaking as someone relatively new to the list and getting involved in inpycon for the first time, it would be much easier for me (and I think, for most of the Pune team) to use the list for bringing up questions, doubts, issues and building consensus. If there needs to be off-list/private thrashing out of things before bringing them up on the list, the big question I would have is, "With whom?" If I want to understand the thought process behind inviting keynote speakers from abroad, should I ask Noufal, or Noufal and Anand, or Noufal and Anand and Kenneth? (Note: I've been a subscriber and occasional poster on this list since mid-2009) Also, I believe, having such discussions on the list will make the community stronger. As we go through the process of organizing an inpycon for the first time, please bear with us as we stumble upon more issues that might be clear to someone who was involved in the previous inpycons but are not to us. I think it's better we get those clarified rather than muddle through with poor understanding of the issues. navin. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From navin at smriti.com Tue Feb 22 10:43:26 2011 From: navin at smriti.com (Navin Kabra) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 15:13:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87pqqlsmvm.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:48 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > 1. Should we invite a guest speaker? > 2. Should we subsidize his stay and travel? > Just for the record, I am +1/+1 on both of these. Having an invited speaker who brings a lot of experience and perspective to the conference is definitely a big plus for a conference. And since the only place we can find people of that stature in the python world are abroad, we invite people from abroad. And since we are inviting them, and since the costs are non-trivial, we should subsize those. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve at lonetwin.net Tue Feb 22 11:41:15 2011 From: steve at lonetwin.net (steve) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:11:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: References: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4D6392CB.1080307@lonetwin.net> Hi, Just wanted to add my emphatic ... On 02/22/2011 03:02 PM, Navin Kabra wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim > wrote: > > My own personal stand is that everything should be publicly > discussed. The only exception is for tasks allocated to specific > individuals (e.g. "Anand, can you fix the email thing on the website") > which are not relevant to the general public. > > I don't like the idea of privately thrashing out something *before* > putting it on the list. > > > +1 for thrashing out things on the list. > +1 for bringing out issues in open /first/ and then if it becomes necessary (due to flames, non-constructive advice and general gyann-giving) move it to a private list of CCs to make a decision, announce (as opposed to request for feedback for) the decision ...and move ahead. > Speaking as someone relatively new to the list and getting involved in inpycon > for the first time, it would be much easier for me (and I think, for most of the > Pune team) to use the list for bringing up questions, doubts, issues and > building consensus. If there needs to be off-list/private thrashing out of > things before bringing them up on the list, the big question I would have is, > "With whom?" If I want to understand the thought process behind inviting keynote > speakers from abroad, should I ask Noufal, or Noufal and Anand, or Noufal and > Anand and Kenneth? (Note: I've been a subscriber and occasional poster on this > list since mid-2009) > > Also, I believe, having such discussions on the list will make the community > stronger. > +1 here too. > As we go through the process of organizing an inpycon for the first time, please > bear with us as we stumble upon more issues that might be clear to someone who > was involved in the previous inpycons but are not to us. I think it's better we > get those clarified rather than muddle through with poor understanding of the > issues. > ...and +1 to this too. Although most of us in the Pune team were relatively inactive the during the last 2 conferences, we are enthusiastic about this one, initial hiccups notwithstanding. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 12:15:38 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:45:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. In-Reply-To: <4D6392CB.1080307@lonetwin.net> (steve@lonetwin.net's message of "Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:11:15 +0530") References: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> <4D6392CB.1080307@lonetwin.net> Message-ID: <874o7wz5et.fsf_-_@gmail.com> On Tue, Feb 22 2011, steve wrote: [...] > ...and +1 to this too. Although most of us in the Pune team were > relatively inactive the during the last 2 conferences, we are > enthusiastic about this one, initial hiccups notwithstanding. [...] Growing pains methinks. You have to feel them if you want to grow. If PyCon was managed completely by a single company (or a single company had a strong role in it like ThoughtWorks did for RubyConf), I think things would be a lot smoother and there would be less slippages and things. However, this kind of organic (for want of a better term) decision making is much more fun and interesting than something super systematic. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 12:17:14 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:47:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. In-Reply-To: <874o7wz5et.fsf_-_@gmail.com> References: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> <4D6392CB.1080307@lonetwin.net> <874o7wz5et.fsf_-_@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298373434.2347.14.camel@localhost> On Tue, 2011-02-22 at 16:45 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > If PyCon was managed completely by a single company (or a single > company > had a strong role in it like ThoughtWorks did for RubyConf), I think > things would be a lot smoother and there would be less slippages and > things. and far fewer pycons -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From rmathews at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 13:20:08 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:50:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:54, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [ rearranging your mail] > I suggest to keep the registration process simple. Too many tiers and > options is difficult to manage. > Assuming we use DoAttend again, it's not going to be difficult to manage. (cc-ing Shalin at DoAttend ... can DoAttend handle tiers?) > What if someone registers for the tutorials by paying Rs.150 and then > he want to attend the regular conference? Will he pay just Rs. 100 > extra? > Say we have paid tutorials on Friday, say they are Rs.150 per head per session. It means: 1. we have an exact count of how many people are interested in each session. 2. tutors can come with handouts, since they have some cash. 3. we can pay the tutors (say, 30:70, split with the conference) 4. we can mandate a minimum of say, 10 per session, for the tutorial to be conducted. I know, 150 per session seems crazy! ("think of the kids! the pore students travelling across the country to learn python!"), but 150 is just a number, it can be 100, or 200, or 400. But paid tutorials might enable us to go beyond "Introduction to Python", "Introduction to Django" type talks, maybe Noufal can conduct his C-API session here too. -- http://about.me/rosh From rmathews at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 13:33:06 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:03:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 13:30, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Speaking for myself, I don't like private discussions and cabals of > decision makes that command a workforce. It does make things "smooth" > but in a corporate, office like way and one of the reasons I hang out on > fora like this is because it's not like that. > +1 ... was about to say the same thing, but then thought maybe it's not my place as an "outsider". > You have final say in all matters and have freedom to delegate anything > to anyone you see fit. Sometimes, you'll have to make summary decisions > that might not be the best but which are necessary to make the > conference happen rather than to get it "perfect". > +1 to this too, Dhananjay, you should comfortable with the idea that the final decision, on most issues, is yours. Eventually a time will come to stop discussing and actually decide, and that call will be yours too. -- http://about.me/rosh From rmathews at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 13:35:26 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:05:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 18:02, Shalin Jain wrote: > If I understand tiers right - it would be different sessions (ticket type) which people can choose from - > > e.g. > Student Registration - Session 1 (day 1) - 150 > Student Registration - Session 2 (day 1) - 150 > All Sessions Pass - 250 > All Session + Conference - 700 > Conference Only - 500 > > Just an example. If you could give us an exact use case we can surely guide on the best way to handle it. > Wow, that was prompt. :) This looks like a pretty solid use-case. Can DoAttend handle this? -- http://about.me/rosh From shalin at tenmiles.com Tue Feb 22 13:32:26 2011 From: shalin at tenmiles.com (Shalin Jain) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 18:02:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If I understand tiers right - it would be different sessions (ticket type) which people can choose from - e.g. Student Registration - Session 1 (day 1) - 150 Student Registration - Session 2 (day 1) - 150 All Sessions Pass - 250 All Session + Conference - 700 Conference Only - 500 Just an example. If you could give us an exact use case we can surely guide on the best way to handle it. regards, Shalin Jain Founder & CEO, Tenmiles Corporation W: http://tenmiles.com | T: http://twitter.com/shalin10 On 22-Feb-2011, at 5:50 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:54, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > [ rearranging your mail] > >> I suggest to keep the registration process simple. Too many tiers and >> options is difficult to manage. >> > Assuming we use DoAttend again, it's not going to be difficult to > manage. (cc-ing Shalin at DoAttend ... can DoAttend handle tiers?) > >> What if someone registers for the tutorials by paying Rs.150 and then >> he want to attend the regular conference? Will he pay just Rs. 100 >> extra? >> > Say we have paid tutorials on Friday, say they are Rs.150 per head per > session. It means: > > 1. we have an exact count of how many people are interested in each session. > 2. tutors can come with handouts, since they have some cash. > 3. we can pay the tutors (say, 30:70, split with the conference) > 4. we can mandate a minimum of say, 10 per session, for the tutorial > to be conducted. > > I know, 150 per session seems crazy! ("think of the kids! the pore > students travelling across the country to learn python!"), but 150 is > just a number, it can be 100, or 200, or 400. But paid tutorials > might enable us to go beyond "Introduction to Python", "Introduction > to Django" type talks, maybe Noufal can conduct his C-API session here > too. > > -- > http://about.me/rosh From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 19:16:35 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:46:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Decision making / Consensus building process. Was Re: Necessity of foreign delegates. In-Reply-To: References: <87fwrgzega.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Navin Kabra wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 1:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> My own personal stand is that everything should be publicly >> discussed. The only exception is for tasks allocated to specific >> individuals (e.g. "Anand, can you fix the email thing on the website") >> which are not relevant to the general public. >> >> I don't like the idea of privately thrashing out something *before* >> putting it on the list. > > +1 for thrashing out things on the list. > Speaking as someone relatively new to the list and getting involved in > inpycon for the first time, it would be much easier for me (and I think, for > most of the Pune team) to use the list for bringing up questions, doubts, > issues and building consensus. If there needs to be off-list/private > thrashing out of things before bringing them up on the list, the big > question I would have is, "With whom?" If I want to understand the thought > process behind inviting keynote speakers from abroad, should I ask Noufal, > or Noufal and Anand, or Noufal and Anand and Kenneth? (Note: I've been a > subscriber and occasional poster on this list since mid-2009) > Also, I believe, having such discussions on the list will make the community > stronger. > As we go through the process of organizing an inpycon for the first time, > please bear with us as we stumble upon more issues that might be clear to > someone who was involved in the previous inpycons but are not to us. I think > it's better we get those clarified rather than muddle through with poor > understanding of the issues. > navin. > +1 Dhananjay From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Tue Feb 22 20:45:53 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:15:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: <87bp25sbok.fsf@gmail.com> <87bp25qlnz.fsf@gmail.com> <87zkppp63z.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:37 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 12:28 AM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> On Tue, Feb 22 2011, Ramdas S wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >>> Since the majority feels that International speakers do add value, at >>> least as far as I see. I think we must go ahead and make the necessary >>> invites. ?Let's close this thread here. >> >> [...] >> >> Dhananjay should be the one to decide this. Whether it's decided or not >> and whether we should invite or not. >> > Here's my thought - final strong objections if any to inviting foreign > speaker to be received by Feb 22 11:59 pm. (I've already thrown in my > hat as an abstainer). Decision if no objections received to be > automatically in favour of inviting foreign speaker. Lets put this discussion behind, and go ahead with getting the guest speaker. Dhananjay From anandology at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 06:45:42 2011 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:15:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2011/2/22 Roshan Mathews : > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 18:02, Shalin Jain wrote: >> If I understand tiers right - it would be different sessions (ticket type) which people can choose from - >> >> e.g. >> Student Registration - Session 1 (day 1) - 150 >> Student Registration - Session 2 (day 1) - 150 >> All Sessions Pass - 250 >> All Session + Conference - 700 >> Conference Only - 500 >> >> Just an example. If you could give us an exact use case we can surely guide on the best way to handle it. >> > > Wow, that was prompt. ?:) > > This looks like a pretty solid use-case. ?Can DoAttend handle this? Do attend can handle it. I'm suggesting that keeping it simple will make managing easy for the organizers. Having separate passes for each session/day involves more work in handling people at the registration desk. Anand From rmathews at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 08:00:57 2011 From: rmathews at gmail.com (Roshan Mathews) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:30:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 11:15, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Do attend can handle it. I'm suggesting that keeping it simple will > make managing easy for the organizers. > > Having separate passes for each session/day involves more work in > handling people at the registration desk. > I'm not sure how. There is a conference pass, which is a single two-day pass, that most people will carry. That doesn't change. Assuming each tutorial is held in a classroom/lab with say 20-30 seats, we have a registration desk outside the room letting in people who have got tickets to that tutorial? Unless I've misunderstood what tutorial means, is it a lecture in a large hall with >100 people sitting there? -- http://about.me/rosh From shalin at tenmiles.com Wed Feb 23 07:38:34 2011 From: shalin at tenmiles.com (Shalin Jain) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 12:08:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82983D4F-B2E1-4540-84E7-FFA5F8B50F53@tenmiles.com> Yes, of course. You just have to create different type of tickets. regards, Shalin Jain Founder & CEO, Tenmiles Corporation W: http://tenmiles.com | T: http://twitter.com/shalin10 | M: +91 98401 11792 On 22-Feb-2011, at 6:05 PM, Roshan Mathews wrote: > On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 18:02, Shalin Jain wrote: >> If I understand tiers right - it would be different sessions (ticket type) which people can choose from - >> >> e.g. >> Student Registration - Session 1 (day 1) - 150 >> Student Registration - Session 2 (day 1) - 150 >> All Sessions Pass - 250 >> All Session + Conference - 700 >> Conference Only - 500 >> >> Just an example. If you could give us an exact use case we can surely guide on the best way to handle it. >> > > Wow, that was prompt. :) > > This looks like a pretty solid use-case. Can DoAttend handle this? > > -- > http://about.me/rosh From noufal at gmail.com Wed Feb 23 14:46:27 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 19:16:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team In-Reply-To: (Anand Chitipothu's message of "Wed, 23 Feb 2011 11:15:42 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87y656yibw.fsf@gmail.com> On Wed, Feb 23 2011, Anand Chitipothu wrote: [...] > Do attend can handle it. I'm suggesting that keeping it simple will > make managing easy for the organizers. +1 but tutorials are distinct from regular registration (if we're following the US and APAC style). [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From chris.wakare at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 12:11:08 2011 From: chris.wakare at gmail.com (Chris Wakare) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 06:11:08 -0500 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: <1298016753.11277.24.camel@localhost> References: <1298016753.11277.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: I noticed a ticket being completed for the Pycon 2011 site. Any plans for a Facebook Page for pycon - Having such a page can really boost the interest On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:38 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software > > > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if > > > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and > > > thoughts on the same would be useful. > > > > > > > Last year as part building up the momentum we did this in engineering > > colleges in Bangalore. This resulted in lot of those students coming > > to the > > conf. > > we did this in Chennai and Coimbatore also > > Have not tried to take drum up to workplaces though. > > we had conducted a couple of workshops in workplaces - but only one > person attended the conference from Coimbatore as a result of this. One > workshop conducted in Bangalore resulted in a couple of attendees. > Workshops were all hands-on teaching python basics. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 12:35:24 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 17:05:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: References: <1298016753.11277.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Chris Wakare wrote: > > I noticed a ticket being completed for the Pycon 2011 site. > Any plans for a Facebook Page for pycon - Having such a page can really boost the interest Onto it. Have already created a page .. will fill it out with details logo, etc. and inform others by tomorrow. > > On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >> >> On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:38 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: >> > > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software >> > > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if >> > > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and >> > > thoughts on the same would be useful. >> > > >> > >> > Last year as part building up the momentum we did this in engineering >> > colleges in Bangalore. This resulted in lot of those students coming >> > to the >> > conf. >> >> we did this in Chennai and Coimbatore also >> > Have not tried to take drum up to workplaces though. >> >> we had conducted a couple of workshops in workplaces - but only one >> person attended the conference from Coimbatore as a result of this. One >> workshop conducted in Bangalore resulted in a couple of attendees. >> Workshops were all hands-on teaching python basics. >> -- >> regards >> Kenneth Gonsalves >> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > -- > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From mehul.n.ved at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 14:12:25 2011 From: mehul.n.ved at gmail.com (Mehul Ved) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 18:42:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: References: <1298016753.11277.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: There is already a Pycon India page on Facebook http://www.facebook.com/PyConIndia On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Chris Wakare wrote: >> >> I noticed a ticket being completed for the Pycon 2011 site. >> Any plans for a Facebook Page for pycon - Having such a page can really boost the interest > > Onto it. Have already created a page .. will fill it out with details > logo, etc. and inform others by tomorrow. >> >> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:38 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: >>> > > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software >>> > > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if >>> > > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and >>> > > thoughts on the same would be useful. >>> > > >>> > >>> > Last year as part building up the momentum we did this in engineering >>> > colleges in Bangalore. This resulted in lot of those students coming >>> > to the >>> > conf. >>> >>> we did this in Chennai and Coimbatore also >>> > Have not tried to take drum up to workplaces though. >>> >>> we had conducted a couple of workshops in workplaces - but only one >>> person attended the conference from Coimbatore as a result of this. One >>> workshop conducted in Bangalore resulted in a couple of attendees. >>> Workshops were all hands-on teaching python basics. >>> -- >>> regards >>> Kenneth Gonsalves >>> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- With Regards, Mehul Ved From dhananjay.nene at gmail.com Thu Feb 24 14:52:40 2011 From: dhananjay.nene at gmail.com (Dhananjay Nene) Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2011 19:22:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Drumming up interest in pycon In-Reply-To: References: <1298016753.11277.24.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Mehul Ved wrote: > There is already a Pycon India page on Facebook > http://www.facebook.com/PyConIndia > Oh Ok. Then, I can delete the page I created. > On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 5:05 PM, Dhananjay Nene > wrote: >> On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Chris Wakare wrote: >>> >>> I noticed a ticket being completed for the Pycon 2011 site. >>> Any plans for a Facebook Page for pycon - Having such a page can really boost the interest >> >> Onto it. Have already created a page .. will fill it out with details >> logo, etc. and inform others by tomorrow. >>> >>> On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: >>>> >>>> On Fri, 2011-02-18 at 13:38 +0530, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: >>>> > > Python in the days leading upto Pycon in some of the software >>>> > > companies, by conducting talks, workshops etc. I am wondering if >>>> > > anyone has conducted anything similar, and a dump of experiences and >>>> > > thoughts on the same would be useful. >>>> > > >>>> > >>>> > Last year as part building up the momentum we did this in engineering >>>> > colleges in Bangalore. This resulted in lot of those students coming >>>> > to the >>>> > conf. >>>> >>>> we did this in Chennai and Coimbatore also >>>> > Have not tried to take drum up to workplaces though. >>>> >>>> we had conducted a couple of workshops in workplaces - but only one >>>> person attended the conference from Coimbatore as a result of this. One >>>> workshop conducted in Bangalore resulted in a couple of attendees. >>>> Workshops were all hands-on teaching python basics. >>>> -- >>>> regards >>>> Kenneth Gonsalves >>>> http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > With Regards, > Mehul Ved > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 07:59:35 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 12:29:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> (Noufal Ibrahim's message of "Tue, 15 Feb 2011 12:35:41 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> So, Option 1. Zed Shaw Option 2. Steve Holden The plan is to call Zed and if he's unavailable call Steve. If Zed agrees to come and we raise an extra 1L, we'll call Steve *also*. Any objections? -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 10:12:13 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:42:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > So, > > Option 1. Zed Shaw > Option 2. Steve Holden > > The plan is to call Zed and if he's unavailable call Steve. > > If Zed agrees to come and we raise an extra 1L, we'll call Steve > *also*. > > Any objections? > Not me, but verify with the anti "foreign-delegate" group :) > > -- > ~noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 10:22:35 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:52:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298625755.2347.129.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 14:42 +0530, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > > Option 1. Zed Shaw > > Option 2. Steve Holden > > > > The plan is to call Zed and if he's unavailable call Steve. > > > > If Zed agrees to come and we raise an extra 1L, we'll call Steve > > *also*. > > > > Any objections? > > > > Not me, but verify with the anti "foreign-delegate" > group :) as already mentioned I am +0 -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 10:29:20 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:59:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Anand Balachandran Pillai's message of "Fri, 25 Feb 2011 14:42:13 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <87wrkocvin.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 25 2011, Anand Balachandran Pillai wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > >> >> So, >> >> Option 1. Zed Shaw >> Option 2. Steve Holden >> >> The plan is to call Zed and if he's unavailable call Steve. >> >> If Zed agrees to come and we raise an extra 1L, we'll call Steve >> *also*. >> >> Any objections? >> > > Not me, but verify with the anti "foreign-delegate" group :) Dhananjay has already confirmed that we're planning to bring in a foreign speaker. I'm just making sure that the choice of people is fine. [...] -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From lawgon at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 10:33:25 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 15:03:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <87wrkocvin.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> <87wrkocvin.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1298626405.2347.130.camel@localhost> On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 14:59 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > Dhananjay has already confirmed that we're planning to bring in a > foreign speaker. it is now referred to as Invited speaker or Guest speaker ;-) -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ From abpillai at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 13:38:53 2011 From: abpillai at gmail.com (Anand Balachandran Pillai) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:08:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: <1298626405.2347.130.camel@localhost> References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> <87wrkocvin.fsf@gmail.com> <1298626405.2347.130.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Fri, 2011-02-25 at 14:59 +0530, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > Dhananjay has already confirmed that we're planning to bring in a > > foreign speaker. > > it is now referred to as Invited speaker or Guest speaker ;-) > Would be nice to do > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- --Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Dhananjay From noufal at gmail.com Fri Feb 25 16:59:17 2011 From: noufal at gmail.com (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2011 21:29:17 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Foreign delegates In-Reply-To: (Dhananjay Nene's message of "Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:28:06 +0530") References: <87vd0lojzu.fsf@gmail.com> <87r5awha5k.fsf@gmail.com> Message-ID: <871v2wm7fu.fsf@gmail.com> On Fri, Feb 25 2011, Dhananjay Nene wrote: > On Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: >> >> So, >> >> Option 1. Zed Shaw >> Option 2. Steve Holden >> >> The plan is to call Zed and if he's unavailable call Steve. >> >> If Zed agrees to come and we raise an extra 1L, we'll call Steve >> *also*. >> >> Any objections? > > Given that we are linking it to funding, no issues whether its 2 or > even more speakers. [...] I'll mail him then with a initial intro etc. -- ~noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vid at svaksha.com Sun Feb 27 13:36:31 2011 From: vid at svaksha.com (=?UTF-8?B?4KWlIOCkuOCljeCkteCkleCljeCktyDgpaUg?=) Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2011 12:36:31 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon Speaker Notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, I'm forwarding Doug's mail to the list to preserve a public copy of the speaker notes, which has also been edited and added to the wiki: http://wiki.python.org/moin/PyConIndiaSpeakerNotes so that folks with a wiki account can edit/maintain the page and/or discuss it on this list. -vid ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Douglas Napoleone Date: Fri, Feb 25, 2011 at 22:30 Subject: PyCon Speaker Notes To: VidA Vid, ? ?David Goodger asked me to pass on our speaker notes. I have pasted in our speaker notes from this year at the bottom. Along with speakers we also have session staff. The session staff are broken into 'session chairs' and 'session runners'. The chairs sit in the presentation room and assist the speaker and moderate when needed. The runners track down speakers, make sure they are prepared well before getting to the presentation room, and act as a second body for the session chairs whom are stuck in the rooms. All session staff have 2-way radios. We also have a common 'green room' for speakers and session staff. We have a test projector, a printer, some snacks, and a lounge area. This is where people meet up and where we post instructions and up to date information. I have included the session staff instructions from 2010. ========================= Speaker/Session note 2010 ========================= The key to a great conference is simple; communication. Below is a list of instructions for presenters and the session staff. Even if the instructions are not for you, please read them all so you understand what everyone is doing and how we are all working together. In truth there are only 3 rules: 1. Do what works. 2. Do not do what does not work. 3. Share with everyone else what #1 and #2 are. #3 is the second most important rule. In short if something below is not working, don't do it. Just because I typed it up ?in this e-mail does not mean it is the right thing to do. These notes are printed out in (recycled) dead tree form and can be picked up in the green room or operations. They are also conspicuously posted in the Green Room and Operations. Please excuse the mess while we clean up these rooms during the transition between tutorials and the main conference. Oh, and in case you were wondering, the most important rule is: HAVE FUN! (seriously!) ============================ Speaker/Session QuickSheets 2010 ============================ Speaker Information ?* Go to the Green Room at least 10min before your talk to get the latest information, co-ordinate with Session Staff, and test your equipment. ?* Your machine resolution should be at 1024x768 resolution if possible. Use high-contrast fonts & large lettering for slides. ?* Feel free to use the Green Room at any time. Printers, snacks, and drinks will be available any time during the day. ?* Session Staff will ask you for your slides, and they can upload them to the website for you. ?* Alert Session Staff to any requirements like machine audio. ?* Introduce yourself to the room session chair and let them know about any special introduction information. ?* The Session Chair will start the talk with an introduction and end the talk with a thank you. ?* We have professional lighting this year. Try not to stare into the lights. (we are still working to reduce glare) ?* Repeat or summarize all questions before answering them. ?* Respect questions, even newbie or silly ones. ?* Attempt to introduce yourself to your Session Staff earlier in the conference. Session Staff Information ?* Go to the Green Room 15min before your session starts to co-ordinate with other Session Staff and get up to date information. ?* Return your equipment to the Green Room after your session. ?* Speakers are volunteers too. Please be polite and courteous at all times. ?* Communicate with other Session Staff to get everyone up to speed on the latest information including radio channel number and other changes. ?* If some plan or procedure does not work, communicate that fact and try to find something which does work with others. ?* Feel free to use the Green Room at any time. Printers, snacks, and drinks will be available any time during the day. ?* Attempt to introduce yourself to your session partner and speakers earlier in the conference. ?* When using the radio's, plug the headset in while the radio is turned off. ?* After you turn the radio on, press the PPT button ONCE to turn off VOX. ?* Check to make sure VOX is turned off at all times. Session Runner Information ?* Be in the Green Room 10min before each talk to meet the speaker. ?* Don't forget your Radio and Headset. ?* Help the speaker set up their laptop on the test projector with the slides ready to present. ?* Ask the speaker about any special requirements, such as machine audio, which will require help from the A/V Staff. ?* Ask the presenter if they can copy their slides onto a provided USB drive for copying up to the website. ?* Escort the speaker to the presentation room 5min before the talk is to start and introduce them to the Session Chair. ?* Help the previous speaker disconnect their equipment (if there is one) and the new speaker hook up theirs (if needed). ?* If there is interest in an Open Space talk from the previous talk, ask if those interested would like assistance with getting a room and posting to the board. Session Chair Information ?* Don't forget your Radio, Headset, Stop Watch, and Signs from the Green Room. ?* Return your equipment to the Green Room after your session. ?* Ask the speakers how they would like to be introduced, if there's anything particular you should mention in your introduction. ?* Ask how the speaker's name is pronounced. ?* Ask the speakers how much time they want for Q&A, and how they want to be timed; if they want reminders at 15min, 10min, 5min. ?* Ask the speakers how they would like to handle questions: would they prefer to handle this phase of the session themselves, or would they like your help? Remind them to repeat questions. ?* When the presenter is ready at the beginning of the talk, signal the A/V Team and wait for their go signal. ?* If there are any announcements, please read them in a loud, clear voice. Use the microphone! ?* Introduce each talk with the title, speaker, and how long the talk will last 30, 45, or 60 minutes including any Q&A: "This is 'How to introduce a talk.' by Someone. This will be a 45min talk including 10min dedicated to Questions and answers at the end." ?* If the speaker asked for help with questions, you should ask the audience for questions at the end of the presentation, and indicate whose question should be taken next. Either you or the speaker should repeat the question into the microphone. ?* Make sure talks finish on time, as a courtesy to the subsequent speakers and to the audience. "I'm afraid we have to move to the next talk right now." ?* If there is sufficient interest suggest an Open Space followup. "If anyone is interested in further discussion please consider an Open Space followup; a Session Runner can help those interested." ?* Remember to thank the speaker and the audience for their participation; start the applause. ?* Try to clear the Podium and usher attendees away from the podium; the Session Runner will arrive with the next speaker 5min before the next talk (if all goes to plan) and manage setup and Open Space handoff. ========================= Speaker Instructions e-mail 2011 ========================= Hello again! Well - we're only two weeks out (oh my.) from PyCon 2011 in Atlanta. I wanted to double check some information with everyone as well as provide some additional information (instructions) and pass the rough schedule past all of you. First off, I want to confirm: 1> All of you have registered for the conference. 2> All of you have a place to stay. 3> All of you are still intending on presenting at the conference. Next, we have a *rough draft* of the schedule for viewing here: http://us.pycon.org/2011/schedule/conference/draft/ There are some minor glitches we're working out (there's some break time bleeding into talks) but this is mainly to show the placement and scheduling of your talk. Next up - instructions for everyone! There will be a meeting Friday morning, just after the plenary session, at 10:05 in the Green Room for all Presenters, and Session Staff. Snacks and Drink will be provided in the room so you will not miss out on the break. The key to a great conference is simple; communication. Below is a list of instructions for presenters and the session staff. Even if the instructions are not for you, please read them all so you understand what everyone is doing and how we are all working together. In truth there are only 3 rules: 1. Do what works. 2. Do not do what does not work. 3. Share with everyone else what #1 and #2 are. In short if something below is not working, don't do it. Just because I typed it up ?in this e-mail does not mean it is the right thing to do. Helpful Instructions: - Go to the Green Room at least 10min before your talk to get the latest information, co-ordinate with Session Staff, and test your equipment. - Your machine resolution should be at 1024x768 resolution if possible. Use high-contrast fonts & large lettering for slides. - Feel free to use the Green Room at any time. Printers, snacks, and drinks will be available any time during the day. - Session Staff will ask you for your slides, and they can upload them to the website for you. - Alert Session Staff to any requirements like machine audio. - Introduce yourself to the room Session Chair and let them know about any special introduction information. - All microphones are wireless lapel clip this year. Have the Session Chair help you. - The Session Chair will start the talk with an introduction and end the talk with a thank you. - Do not use a laser pointer. Only attendees in the first row can see it. - Face the audience and project. The audio system does not cover the first few rows. - Repeat or summarize all questions before answering them. - Respect questions, even newbie or silly ones. - Attempt to introduce yourself to your Session Staff earlier in the conference. I want to again thank you, and offering myself, or any of the PyCon staff if you need any assistance! Jesse Noller PyCon 2011 -- vid ? http://svaksha.com ? From lawgon at gmail.com Sun Feb 27 21:53:13 2011 From: lawgon at gmail.com (Kenneth Gonsalves) Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2011 02:23:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Fwd: PyCon Speaker Notes In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1298839993.2347.151.camel@localhost> On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 12:36 +0000, ? ?????? ? wrote: > Oh, and in case you were wondering, the most important rule is: > > HAVE FUN! (seriously!) *now* I understand Anand B's point (of course one needs to define 'fun') -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/