[Inpycon] Necessity of foreign delegates. Was Re: Notes from InPyCon planning meeting of local Pune Team

Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.nene at gmail.com
Mon Feb 21 06:33:43 CET 2011


On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 11:00 AM, Lakshmi Vyas <lakshmi.vyas at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an
>> overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python
>> elucidation.
>
> Here are some thoughts:
>
> 1.      Are there people in India that can open the conference with first hand
>        information / interesting tidbits about past, present or future of python?
> 2.      Can the person coming in do both? Open the keynote with a non technical
>        but informative and interesting keynote and later give a super technical talk?

I cannot imagine why that cannot happen if we set our goal to make that happen.

>
>
>> From an expenditure review
>> perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have
>> a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to
>> supporting the growth of python in India.
>
>
> I think the primary goal of a conference is to disperse information and provide
> interactions that would otherwise be improbable. I  think of the cost as a
> necessity rather than an expenditure. We are inviting a foreign delegate not
> because  they are foreign but because they are core python developers / community
> members.
>

Precisely why the dualism is harder to explain.
>
> Thanks
> Lakshmi.
>
> On 21-Feb-2011, at 10:21 AM, Dhananjay Nene wrote:
>
>> On Sat, Feb 19, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah
>> <sree at mahiti.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 February 2011 18:30, Noufal Ibrahim <noufal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 19 2011, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 2011-02-19 at 11:34 +0530, Navin Kabra wrote:
>>>>>> 3. Is a foreign speaker really necessary? We spend a lot of money, and
>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>> they don't have the star power that we think they have. Opinion was
>>>>>> divided
>>>>>> on this topic.
>>>>>
>>>>> not really necessary unless the person is already in India.
>>>>
>>>> I disagree. Details in another thread (Navin's mail which I forwarded to
>>>> the list)
>>>>
>>> Good to do if cost is shared through a grant as in last year.
>>> -1 if we have to generate the entire cost.
>>> - sree
>>>
>>
>> Since I am new to broader discussions about pycon india, I took some
>> point to ponder on the topic. I am not too sure how useful a foreign
>> delegate is. Here's a quick summary.
>>
>> a. It is unclear if seasoned pythonista's decision to attend will be
>> influenced by the existence of a foreign delegate
>> b. Part of the foreign delegate's fees are paid for by Pycon India
>> whereas the local speakers don't have to, is a dualism that is hard to
>> explain. Of course foreign delegates paying for themselves (or fully
>> paid for by PSF should be fine).
>> c. Anyways it seems we rely on the foreign delegate to provide an
>> overall enthusiasm building keynote rather than some hardcore python
>> elucidation. So, we don't seem to be wanting to go for some advanced
>> python skills that we would otherwise find it hard to get from others
>> in India. At the same time there are perhaps some topics that the
>> foreign delegate could comment upon which are not otherwise not easily
>> understood through at least the python user mailing lists and websites
>> (as an eg. perhaps some insights into pypy VM)
>> d. The opportunity cost of the expenditure. At 1L, we cold imagine
>> sponsoring anywhere between 5-10 teams to work on a python summer of
>> code during vacations in India (this is a new idea that came to my
>> mind as I was thinking through the topic). From an expenditure review
>> perspective (how many miles does a rupee go to promote python), I have
>> a feeling that such an expenditure could be better suited to
>> supporting the growth of python in India.
>>
>> Again, I am new to this area, so I may not understand all the dynamics
>> of how important it is to have a foreign delegate to rope in the local
>> delegates. But this is my 2c (or 2paise).
>>
>> Dhananjay
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