From basilgafoor at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 06:05:10 2014
From: basilgafoor at gmail.com (Basil Gafoor)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:35:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and improvement suggestion
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Hi all,
The projector in audi 2 also had many issues.The movie screening was badly
affected by it.Was the projector and other equipments provided by NIMHANS?

On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>     Please share your feedback and improvement point for us so we can make
> PyCon India 2015 much better.
>
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 06:11:42 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:41:42 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and improvement suggestion
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 <CAMEPaLZf1yuR0amE5t_=j1HgwXCEDwYmnhtP4fJcV+cte_VRnA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajT5CmyrNuqbjgZP3X80hktT+U_d3StSBNMQ+S63dyVnWw@mail.gmail.com>

I have noted this point.



On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Basil Gafoor <basilgafoor at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
> The projector in audi 2 also had many issues.The movie screening was badly
> affected by it.Was the projector and other equipments provided by NIMHANS?
>
> On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 9:17 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>     Please share your feedback and improvement point for us so we can
>> make PyCon India 2015 much better.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Vijay
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct  1 08:59:19 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 12:29:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Future of Pycon India
Message-ID: <8761g4wa0o.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>


Hello everyone,
      Pats on the back all around. The largest PyCon India yet. It's
come a long way since the glorified user group meeting back in 2009. I
remember feeling quite proud of it back then but compared to what PyCon
India has become, it's not much more than an after dinner mint.

      Like all things growing, PyCon India will have growing pains I'm
writing this email to try to list out some of the things where I see
scope of improvement and some concrete steps which I think will help.

      1. Teams
      Right now, the general organisation is not very different from
2009/2010 which is one bunch of guys leading everything and talking to
volunteers for all the low level tasks. This means that the core bunch
is overtaxed and things fall between the cracks. Many decisions are made
ad-hoc on personal emails/phone calls which later leads to confusion and
sometimes resentment. 
      This works when it's a small event and mostly run by a few
people. It's too large for that and the this amount of energy can't be
expected from any small group of individuals. 
      The solution, in my opinion, is to split the whole group into
semi-autonomous committees (or teams) grouped by topic (e.g. program
committee, sponosorship committee etc.) and then to decide how these
interact. Once that's done, the "conference chair" can simply act as
relay service between these teams and the amount of effort an individual
will have to put in is limited. "Things" happen on each aspect of the
conference without the other people needing to concerned. 

      A good step forward this year was the program committee headed by
Arvi. I think doing something similar to that again next year would be
great. 

       2. Rules
       There are ad hoc decisions made when the need comes up. Often,
these are made off the main list and sometimes over phone calls which
has two problems. The short term problem is that different people might
say different things to (e.g.) sponsors. The long term problem is that
people feel disenfranchised and this damages community cohesion. 
       The solution is to formalise all of this in something
written. Anand Pillai has been working on a guidebook for this. Making
it as detailed as possible will ensure that all of us present a united
front when talking about the conference so that everything is
consistent. 
       Exceptions should be discussed openly on the list. 

       3. Discussions
       I think that the real backbone of a community run conference is a
single "marketplace" where everyone discusses everything. Things might
get rowdy now and then and measures might have to be taken but the
openness and public discussion of all matters helps new volunteers to
pick stuff up, contribute to and later lead the event. 
       inpycon is our marketplace and we need to keep it active and
buzzing.

       4. Conference mood.
       This is something that's been debated but I think it's taken a
form now. Is PyCon India for beginners or for experienced Python users?
I think the talks are the point of contention and my own feeling is that
it should be targetted towards a more experienced crowd. Three
reasons. 1. Talks like "introduction to foo" which you can read from a
book or a website are not really worth the 30 minutes. 2. We have Python
express now to cater to beginner audiences and 3. Beginner speakers can
cut their teeth on local events. 


These aren't fully structured but should suggest a general structure
which we can build on and make the next conference even better. 


-- 
Yours,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From thes.kumar at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 14:52:07 2014
From: thes.kumar at gmail.com (Saurabh Kumar)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 18:22:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Photographer at PyCon
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On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Saurabh Kumar <thes.kumar at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Saurabh Kumar <thes.kumar at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I'll be uploading my photographs over here over the course of event.
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/92wlwxxo4b1sxmg/AABz-nF9Qp2dbtoZawGRgeRpa?dl=0
>>
>> *PS: Photographs are licensed under CC-By., take down request, send me a
>> personal mail.*
>>
>
> Photographs from day1 workshop is available at
>
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/92wlwxxo4b1sxmg/AABp6Bcaqayom0Z4-jg7tnyAa/Day1%20-%20workshops?dl=0
>

?Photographs from day2-3 are now available: ?

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/blct7kcn18gt1uz/AADXEeJ_-Np1ZqTE2qkd4G6ma?dl=0

Everyone pat on your back for attending such an amazing event. You all
rock!!

Cheers,?
?--?
*?*Saurabh Kumar
http://saurabh-kumar.com
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 11:37:23 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 15:07:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
   As every year, this year also we will have post-conference meetup to
discuss feedback and come up with plan for next year conference.
     Location: To be discussed
     Time: 7 PM
     Proposed Data: Oct 11(Saturday)

Let me know your confirmation so we can book table in hotel accordingly.

-- 
Thanks,
Vijay
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Sun Oct  5 14:09:40 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 17:39:40 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHQ+6KFKPUjH=W14DkPX5uRBHbBnmEbN5Q8OtE_s1MaFvnmSAg@mail.gmail.com>

I'd love to join, but I'm off to McLeod Ganj tomorrow and back only on the
13th.

-A

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
>    As every year, this year also we will have post-conference meetup to
> discuss feedback and come up with plan for next year conference.
>      Location: To be discussed
>      Time: 7 PM
>      Proposed Data: Oct 11(Saturday)
>
> Let me know your confirmation so we can book table in hotel accordingly.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From abdulraufhaseeb at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 14:55:59 2014
From: abdulraufhaseeb at gmail.com (Abdul Rauf)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:25:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
In-Reply-To: <CAHQ+6KFKPUjH=W14DkPX5uRBHbBnmEbN5Q8OtE_s1MaFvnmSAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAHQ+6KFKPUjH=W14DkPX5uRBHbBnmEbN5Q8OtE_s1MaFvnmSAg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADfPSp-h5Uw+jPQDXjQ_xQ7j5ZE8VZWM3BMeeN5yZmpbVk8KRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Arvi,

Can we meet in Mcleod? i am reaching there on 8th Morning, check out
hillhacks.in

On 10/5/14, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu> wrote:
> I'd love to join, but I'm off to McLeod Ganj tomorrow and back only on the
> 13th.
>
> -A
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>    As every year, this year also we will have post-conference meetup to
>> discuss feedback and come up with plan for next year conference.
>>      Location: To be discussed
>>      Time: 7 PM
>>      Proposed Data: Oct 11(Saturday)
>>
>> Let me know your confirmation so we can book table in hotel accordingly.
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Vijay
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
>


-- 
Cordially
Abdul Rauf (haseeb)
www.haseeb.info

From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Sun Oct  5 15:07:27 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 18:37:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
In-Reply-To: <CADfPSp-h5Uw+jPQDXjQ_xQ7j5ZE8VZWM3BMeeN5yZmpbVk8KRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Abdul Rauf <abdulraufhaseeb at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Can we meet in Mcleod? i am reaching there on 8th Morning, check out
> hillhacks.in
>
> On 10/5/14, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu> wrote:
> > I'd love to join, but I'm off to McLeod Ganj tomorrow and back only on
> the
> > 13th
>

I know that a few others from Bangalore are going to be there later in
October for Hillhacks. Unfortunately I'll be returning sooner this time.?

However, ?I'd love to catch up, Abdul. I'll drop you a note off the list
and we can figure things out.

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From azher-ullah.khan at hp.com  Tue Oct  7 07:57:00 2014
From: azher-ullah.khan at hp.com (Khan, Azher Ullah (HP Converged Cloud))
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 05:57:00 +0000
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
In-Reply-To: <CAHQ+6KFKPUjH=W14DkPX5uRBHbBnmEbN5Q8OtE_s1MaFvnmSAg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <81738B0C5CC8AA4690B2F63A7284E6CA1ED77A5F@G6W2501.americas.hpqcorp.net>

+1.

I will be travelling to kuppam working for a NGO this weekend.

Cheers,
Azher Khan

From: Inpycon [mailto:inpycon-bounces+azher-ullah.khan=hp.com at python.org] On Behalf Of Arvi Krishnaswamy
Sent: Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference
Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning

I'd love to join, but I'm off to McLeod Ganj tomorrow and back only on the 13th.

-A

On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com<mailto:vnbang2003 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
   As every year, this year also we will have post-conference meetup to discuss feedback and come up with plan for next year conference.
     Location: To be discussed
     Time: 7 PM
     Proposed Data: Oct 11(Saturday)

Let me know your confirmation so we can book table in hotel accordingly.

--
Thanks,
Vijay

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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 08:02:54 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:32:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
In-Reply-To: <81738B0C5CC8AA4690B2F63A7284E6CA1ED77A5F@G6W2501.americas.hpqcorp.net>
References: <CAHX9ajS6S_+PajTgUGoMasiVqtjvs9oguNoWtDXaxK5wAyZSKA@mail.gmail.com>
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I want to close this before we forget .
In case you are not in bangalore please do drop email  to me and share your
feedback so i can make a notes of it.

We need to book venue asap else we don't get venue as per our timing.




On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Khan, Azher Ullah (HP Converged Cloud) <
azher-ullah.khan at hp.com> wrote:

>  +1.
>
>
>
> I will be travelling to kuppam working for a NGO this weekend.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Azher Khan
>
>
>
> *From:* Inpycon [mailto:inpycon-bounces+azher-ullah.khan=hp.com at python.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Arvi Krishnaswamy
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 05, 2014 5:40 PM
> *To:* Mailing list for the PyCon India conference
> *Subject:* Re: [Inpycon] Feedback and PyCon India 2015 planning
>
>
>
> I'd love to join, but I'm off to McLeod Ganj tomorrow and back only on the
> 13th.
>
>
>
> -A
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:07 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi All,
>
>    As every year, this year also we will have post-conference meetup to
> discuss feedback and come up with plan for next year conference.
>
>      Location: To be discussed
>
>      Time: 7 PM
>
>      Proposed Data: Oct 11(Saturday)
>
>
>
> Let me know your confirmation so we can book table in hotel accordingly.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Thanks,
Vijay
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 08:03:48 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 11:33:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajSgTu4GbROUoQWjmHY2XcO5s0DXjBGr31SwZ6BMgk6aSw@mail.gmail.com>

Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
with good public transportation connectivity ?

-- 
Thanks,
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From divyasanghi145 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 08:41:31 2014
From: divyasanghi145 at gmail.com (Divya Sanghi)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:11:31 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajSgTu4GbROUoQWjmHY2XcO5s0DXjBGr31SwZ6BMgk6aSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSgTu4GbROUoQWjmHY2XcO5s0DXjBGr31SwZ6BMgk6aSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADCBwzE=4=4Md1BLP6b6cu_Zzj5gDAAf-nqUjaHNa9KhWHQXPA@mail.gmail.com>

hyderabad

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 08:44:29 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 12:14:29 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CADCBwzE=4=4Md1BLP6b6cu_Zzj5gDAAf-nqUjaHNa9KhWHQXPA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSgTu4GbROUoQWjmHY2XcO5s0DXjBGr31SwZ6BMgk6aSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAHX9ajSfodahXDonLjV76TgxVVt8QnXxst8ef8PbKqF86UJhhQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 12:11 PM, Divya Sanghi <divyasanghi145 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> hyderabad
>
> We have already decide location for PyCon India 2015 to be Bangalore in
our AGM meeting.

-- 
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Tue Oct  7 11:10:09 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:40:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajSgTu4GbROUoQWjmHY2XcO5s0DXjBGr31SwZ6BMgk6aSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSgTu4GbROUoQWjmHY2XcO5s0DXjBGr31SwZ6BMgk6aSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHQ+6KGAEgRqYdrLPRY2Zzsem=ReWRtAEkUiBU2Ba=EEUT+E+w@mail.gmail.com>

How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure
I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
On Oct 7, 2014 11:34 AM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:19:26 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:49:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
wrote:

> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
> focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
> people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
> event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
> happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure
> I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
>
> >> am -1 for not having beginners level sessions.
     I personally think PyCon India should continue with all three level
beginners, intermediate and Advance.
     This  is how PyCon India has grown and would like to continue to see
same.
     Just Fyi: This year we had more 60 % first timer.
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From shakthimaan at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:26:41 2014
From: shakthimaan at gmail.com (Shakthi Kannan)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:56:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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Hi,

--- On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy
<arvi at alumni.iastate.edu> wrote:
| How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
| focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
| people :)
| ...
| Quite honestly, I'm not sure I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
\--

You just have to pretend that you didn't see the other 800-900 Pythonists :)

There are always going to be newbies and first-timers to a conference,
and they should have something to take away from the event.

SK

-- 
Shakthi Kannan
http://www.shakthimaan.com

From eswar.s1988 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:35:21 2014
From: eswar.s1988 at gmail.com (eswar sakamuri)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:05:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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HiTex in Hyderabad near Novtel which held Advantage AP in 2012. Capable of
accommodating more than 1500 n good connectivity from any part.
On Oct 7, 2014 11:34 AM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:36:38 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:06:38 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHQ+6KGAEgRqYdrLPRY2Zzsem=ReWRtAEkUiBU2Ba=EEUT+E+w@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07-Oct-2014 2:40 pm, "Arvi Krishnaswamy" <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu> wrote:
>
> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure
I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
>
> On Oct 7, 2014 11:34 AM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members
capacity with good public transportation connectivity ?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Vijay
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>

Hi All,

I will also vote for NIMHANS, as venue is good for transportation
connectivity.

Agreed with Arvi, PyCon isn't trying to be everything for everyone.
But if possible arrange parallel sessions based on user levels.

Thanks
Fasih Ahmad Fakhri

How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure
I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
On Oct 7, 2014 11:34 AM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
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From skavine28 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 11:52:58 2014
From: skavine28 at gmail.com (Kavine s)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:22:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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pycon should b open to all :)
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 12:00:50 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:30:50 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajQ37jip9WRd6ZVuRS-6kg_iE3-UPhxDBVhWLZLbseYViw@mail.gmail.com>
 (vijay kumar's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2014 14:49:26 +0530")
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
>> focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
>> people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
>> event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
>> happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure
>> I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
>>
> am -1 for not having beginners level sessions.  I personally think
> PyCon India should continue with all three level beginners,
> intermediate and Advance.  This is how PyCon India has grown and would
> like to continue to see same.  Just Fyi: This year we had more 60 %
> first timer.

I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
attendance for talk quality, I'd do it. 

The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.

Now that Python express is there, I'm generally in favour of increasing
year round workshops and user group meetings for newbies and making the
conference more high end. No more "Introduction to X" style talks which
you can easily pick up from a website or a tutorial. The workshops can
be introductory but I'm also in favour of lengthening them and reducing
the number so that you'll have a few deep workshops instead of lots of
shallow ones. 

Even the talks, I'm completely okay with making it a single track event
with only a small number of high quality talks. The kind of talks I'd
like to see are

 - Scaling Django to X users - How we did it at "Awesome startup".
 - Handling large scale distributed systems in pure python - an
   adventure with gevent.
 - Interpreter hacks to sandbox code execution
 - Stripping down Python to run on a limited memory embedded device.
 - Why we rewrote a production scale Python app in Go and how we did it.
 - Reducing technical debt. in large flask projects. 
 - Why the GIL might not be a problem. 

Things like that where people have actually had experience in dealing
with the nitty gritty of solving hard problems and talk about their
experiences. These are usually small talks followed by long QA about
people experiencing similar problems. 

If we try to be everything for everyone, we'll end up being nothing. If
we announce that PyCon India is for experienced, serious Python
developers and live upto the announcement, intermediate and even some
beginner people will actually learn something new and improve
themselves. Advanced people will have a forum to discuss real problems
rather than an audience with 60% first timers. 

My main concern is that there are more newbies than experienced
folk. There are lots of outlets for newbies to learn things. Tutorials
on the web, user group meetups, tutorials, classes, python express
workshops etc. For advanced people though, there are almost no
outlets. I'm in favour of making PyCon India a high quality event. Even
by sacrificing number of talks and audience size. Quality over Quantity.


[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 12:03:15 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 15:33:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAEBrLGnH8un+nYKfpYVCHDMHzRDpjQf=OAe3nFYa+eXRQJbSHA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, Kavine s wrote:

> pycon should b open to all :)

It is. Anyone can buy a ticket. 

The question on what the focus should be - "Everything for everyone", a
project which, in my opinion, is doomed or "Awesome for some people",
which, depending on the "some people", will be more useful and a greater
achievement.

[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 12:23:17 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 15:53:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <87zjd8i4h9.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
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>
>
>
> I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
> attendance for talk quality, I'd do it.
>
> The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
> talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
> doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
> has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
> the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.
>
> -1 i don't agree
I think name one person in not correct , Program committee was not lead by
Arvi for sure.
I feel bad to see individual name coming like this more often.
We can take offline if more explanation is needed.


>
> If we try to be everything for everyone, we'll end up being nothing. If
> we announce that PyCon India is for experienced, serious Python
> developers and live upto the announcement, intermediate and even some
> beginner people will actually learn something new and improve
> themselves. Advanced people will have a forum to discuss real problems
> rather than an audience with 60% first timers.
>
> My main concern is that there are more newbies than experienced
> folk. There are lots of outlets for newbies to learn things. Tutorials
> on the web, user group meetups, tutorials, classes, python express
> workshops etc. For advanced people though, there are almost no
> outlets. I'm in favour of making PyCon India a high quality event. Even
> by sacrificing number of talks and audience size. Quality over Quantity.
>
>
> Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?
I still think we should have two track beginners and intermediate/advances
which solve the problems.
In future once our advance talk submission increase we can rethink.
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From mak.gnu at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 12:56:48 2014
From: mak.gnu at gmail.com (Mukesh Yadav)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:26:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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If I'm not wrong the talk was chosen as per the upvotes on the funnel.
Which clearly shows the demand and supply model.

We can try dedicated track for advance, in this way we might get advance
topic proposal.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
>> attendance for talk quality, I'd do it.
>>
>> The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
>> talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
>> doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
>> has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
>> the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.
>>
>> -1 i don't agree
> I think name one person in not correct , Program committee was not lead by
> Arvi for sure.
> I feel bad to see individual name coming like this more often.
> We can take offline if more explanation is needed.
>
>
>>
>> If we try to be everything for everyone, we'll end up being nothing. If
>> we announce that PyCon India is for experienced, serious Python
>> developers and live upto the announcement, intermediate and even some
>> beginner people will actually learn something new and improve
>> themselves. Advanced people will have a forum to discuss real problems
>> rather than an audience with 60% first timers.
>>
>> My main concern is that there are more newbies than experienced
>> folk. There are lots of outlets for newbies to learn things. Tutorials
>> on the web, user group meetups, tutorials, classes, python express
>> workshops etc. For advanced people though, there are almost no
>> outlets. I'm in favour of making PyCon India a high quality event. Even
>> by sacrificing number of talks and audience size. Quality over Quantity.
>>
>>
>> Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?
> I still think we should have two track beginners and intermediate/advances
> which solve the problems.
> In future once our advance talk submission increase we can rethink.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Regards
Mukesh Yadav
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 12:56:56 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:26:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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> Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?  

We won't attract any advanced talk submissions because people who do
that kind of thing see PyCon India as a large gathering of newbies with
very basic talks.

I personally wouldn't submit a talk about anything advanced if I knew
that most of the audience were first timers. Why would I? If I knew that
the people who were attending are experienced, I'd be willing to put
stuff out in front of them to solicit feedback and have interesting
discussions. If most of the audience won't understand what I'm saying,
why should I submit a talk at all?

I know some friends who didn't submit a talk on distributed systems for
,atleast partially, this reason.


> I still think we should have two track beginners and
> intermediate/advances which solve the problems.  In future once our
> advance talk submission increase we can rethink.

Guidelines like 
 - No first time speakers
 - No talks on topics that you've not personally worked on for a period
   of time. 
 etc. 

will reduce the number of talks drastically filter it down to a small
pool of high quality talks. 

I don't agree with your reasoning. If we keep it open like this, the
talk quality will dwindle and we'll get more and more low quality talks
which we'll filter from. We'll get "the best of the bad" and that'll be
the maximum we ever reach. I'm for raising the bar so that submissions
are good. 

In any case, we've gone by the "everything for everyone" approach for 5
years now. I'm saying, let's try the other route and see if it works
better. If yes, we'll stick to it, if no, we'll come back to the current
approach. No gain without experiment. 

I'm strident about this because apart from the talk quality, everything
is good at the conference. This is the only thing I've heard big
complaints about and this, in my opinion, is the way to fix it. 

I'm not intransingent about this and am perfectly amenable to being
argued out of it. I'd just like discussion. I think there must be
atleast a few people who agree with my point of view.



[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 12:58:13 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:28:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Program committee (was: Venue suggestion for PyCon India
	2015)
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajT5OW_oHLLkHx8eb4eziXGapPyG9jg21bfJQEsKJY13PQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:

[...]

> I think name one person in not correct , Program committee was not
> lead by Arvi for sure.  I feel bad to see individual name coming like
> this more often.  

Point taken. I'm very sorry about that. 

I didn't mean to underplay the efforts of all the people involved in
talk selection and everything else.

I was mostly in touch with Arvi for everything related to talk selection
(which was the only thing I was involved in this year) and that's why I
said it. It shows my lack of involvement more than anything else that I
don't know most of the people who worked on this.

My point was that the selection process, with the speaker mentors, the
chats between the people, filtering etc. was much more rigourous than
before and that's a step forward.

Also, this is not the main issue of the thread. The main issue is
how we should take PyCon India forward. I've cut out that part of the
thread and continued it with the original subject.

> We can take offline if more explanation is needed.

No need to. I made a mistake, you pointed it out, I owned upto it and
apologise. I'm in favour of discussing *everything* related to the
community on the mailing list. We've spoken about this before. :)

[...]

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 13:01:19 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:31:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CABcMa_upbZU+cRyCpjGp=WVabOXcFx=7mCdv7EuQi5+9rd9gNQ@mail.gmail.com>
 (Mukesh Yadav's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:26:48 +0530")
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, Mukesh Yadav wrote:

> If I'm not wrong the talk was chosen as per the upvotes on the funnel.
> Which clearly shows the demand and supply model.

Not completely. The upvotes were a small factor in the selection as far
as I know. 

Upvotes from the general public can be gamed and are not really reliable
anyway. You'll just get the "most popular" talks rather than "the
best" and, if the conference is marketed to a newbie crowd, the popular
talks will be the simpler "intro to <topic>" kinds.

> We can try dedicated track for advance, in this way we might get
> advance topic proposal.

We do have a Beginner/Intermediate/Advanced drop down while submitting a
talk. So people do explicitly say who they think they're talk caters to.


[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sumit786raj at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:08:35 2014
From: sumit786raj at gmail.com (SUMIT KUMAR RAJ)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:38:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajT5OW_oHLLkHx8eb4eziXGapPyG9jg21bfJQEsKJY13PQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I was the second time attendee of Pycon. First time I attended in 2012 and
second 2014.
I am also disappointed with the quality of workshops and some talks being
given. With my watch I can say 2012 workshops in Christ were better than
2014 workshops.
Talks on Day 2 were better than Day 1 this year...this was the feedback of
some of my friends as well who attended Pycon this year.
I agree with Noufal than just for the sake of pulling crowd we should not
compromise with the quality.
I would tell you honest feedback of mine. Paying 1000 bucks for one
workshop and then you come to know that's not worth peanuts .
Definitely we should concentrate on quality speakers whether be it for
intermediates or experts .

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:53 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
>> attendance for talk quality, I'd do it.
>>
>> The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
>> talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
>> doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
>> has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
>> the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.
>>
>> -1 i don't agree
> I think name one person in not correct , Program committee was not lead by
> Arvi for sure.
> I feel bad to see individual name coming like this more often.
> We can take offline if more explanation is needed.
>
>
>>
>> If we try to be everything for everyone, we'll end up being nothing. If
>> we announce that PyCon India is for experienced, serious Python
>> developers and live upto the announcement, intermediate and even some
>> beginner people will actually learn something new and improve
>> themselves. Advanced people will have a forum to discuss real problems
>> rather than an audience with 60% first timers.
>>
>> My main concern is that there are more newbies than experienced
>> folk. There are lots of outlets for newbies to learn things. Tutorials
>> on the web, user group meetups, tutorials, classes, python express
>> workshops etc. For advanced people though, there are almost no
>> outlets. I'm in favour of making PyCon India a high quality event. Even
>> by sacrificing number of talks and audience size. Quality over Quantity.
>>
>>
>> Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?
> I still think we should have two track beginners and intermediate/advances
> which solve the problems.
> In future once our advance talk submission increase we can rethink.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


-- 
Regards...
----------------------
Sumit Kumar Raj
Software Engineer,
Yodlee Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 13:12:36 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:42:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHLM5Tt0EtfWqtw5Rzs0FKx+mQw_TXc_-Xvwb6anfFbhxE6pyQ@mail.gmail.com>
 (SUMIT KUMAR RAJ's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:38:35 +0530")
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ wrote:

> I was the second time attendee of Pycon. First time I attended in 2012
> and second 2014.  I am also disappointed with the quality of workshops
> and some talks being given. With my watch I can say 2012 workshops in
> Christ were better than 2014 workshops.  Talks on Day 2 were better
> than Day 1 this year...this was the feedback of some of my friends as
> well who attended Pycon this year.  I agree with Noufal than just for
> the sake of pulling crowd we should not compromise with the quality.
> I would tell you honest feedback of mine. Paying 1000 bucks for one
> workshop and then you come to know that's not worth peanuts .
> Definitely we should concentrate on quality speakers whether be it for
> intermediates or experts .

[...]

Workshops are more complicated since it's an attempt to actually teach
rather than to just present an idea. 

I don't have any concrete thoughts on them. My original thread was
focussed on the quality of talks rather than on the workshops.


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kushaldas at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:14:04 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:44:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <87zjd8i4h9.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV
<noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
>
> I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
> attendance for talk quality, I'd do it.
>
> The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
> talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
> doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
> has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
> the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.
>
Talk quality is always a big problem but that does not mean that we
should not have beginners talks in the conference.  Unless the people
who are doing advanced stuff come up with talk proposals, the scenario
will not change.

Kushal
-- 
CPython Core Developer
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From sumit786raj at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:23:12 2014
From: sumit786raj at gmail.com (SUMIT KUMAR RAJ)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:53:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <87lhosgml7.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
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Can we have talks upvote or downvote open to only those who have registered
for the conf ?
This will reduce the fake votes I believe .As I attended one of the talks
on Day 2 who got a lot of up-votes but I don't know what shit he was
talking.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ wrote:
>
> > I was the second time attendee of Pycon. First time I attended in 2012
> > and second 2014.  I am also disappointed with the quality of workshops
> > and some talks being given. With my watch I can say 2012 workshops in
> > Christ were better than 2014 workshops.  Talks on Day 2 were better
> > than Day 1 this year...this was the feedback of some of my friends as
> > well who attended Pycon this year.  I agree with Noufal than just for
> > the sake of pulling crowd we should not compromise with the quality.
> > I would tell you honest feedback of mine. Paying 1000 bucks for one
> > workshop and then you come to know that's not worth peanuts .
> > Definitely we should concentrate on quality speakers whether be it for
> > intermediates or experts .
>
> [...]
>
> Workshops are more complicated since it's an attempt to actually teach
> rather than to just present an idea.
>
> I don't have any concrete thoughts on them. My original thread was
> focussed on the quality of talks rather than on the workshops.
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



-- 
Regards...
----------------------
Sumit Kumar Raj
Software Engineer,
Yodlee Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
Bangalore,India
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:29:20 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 16:59:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On 07-Oct-2014 4:53 pm, "SUMIT KUMAR RAJ" <sumit786raj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Can we have talks upvote or downvote open to only those who have
registered for the conf ?
> This will reduce the fake votes I believe .As I attended one of the talks
on Day 2 who got a lot of up-votes but I don't know what shit he was
talking.
>

Yes I think its a good idea. Even I was thinking same. Voting rights should
only given to attendee.

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ wrote:
>>
>> > I was the second time attendee of Pycon. First time I attended in 2012
>> > and second 2014.  I am also disappointed with the quality of workshops
>> > and some talks being given. With my watch I can say 2012 workshops in
>> > Christ were better than 2014 workshops.  Talks on Day 2 were better
>> > than Day 1 this year...this was the feedback of some of my friends as
>> > well who attended Pycon this year.  I agree with Noufal than just for
>> > the sake of pulling crowd we should not compromise with the quality.
>> > I would tell you honest feedback of mine. Paying 1000 bucks for one
>> > workshop and then you come to know that's not worth peanuts .
>> > Definitely we should concentrate on quality speakers whether be it for
>> > intermediates or experts .
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Workshops are more complicated since it's an attempt to actually teach
>> rather than to just present an idea.
>>
>> I don't have any concrete thoughts on them. My original thread was
>> focussed on the quality of talks rather than on the workshops.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cordially,
>> Noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards...
> ----------------------
> Sumit Kumar Raj
> Software Engineer,
> Yodlee Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> Bangalore,India
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From sanketsaurav at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:33:13 2014
From: sanketsaurav at gmail.com (Sanket Saurav)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:03:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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Cheers,

Sanket Saurav
[ +91 - 9019 799 247 | sanketsaurav.com ]

*Calm down -- it's only ones and zeroes.*

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:59 PM, Fasih Ahmad Fakhri <
fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On 07-Oct-2014 4:53 pm, "SUMIT KUMAR RAJ" <sumit786raj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Can we have talks upvote or downvote open to only those who have
> registered for the conf ?
> > This will reduce the fake votes I believe .As I attended one of the
> talks on Day 2 who got a lot of up-votes but I don't know what shit he was
> talking.
> >
>
> Yes I think its a good idea. Even I was thinking same. Voting rights
> should only given to attendee.
>
Talk selection does not only depend on the number of upvotes in the funnel.
The talk selection committee does a scrutiny of the talk proposals and the
speakers before selecting them. So, even if someone got fake upvotes, that
won't necessarily mean the talk would be selected. Rest assured!

> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <
> noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ wrote:
> >>
> >> > I was the second time attendee of Pycon. First time I attended in 2012
> >> > and second 2014.  I am also disappointed with the quality of workshops
> >> > and some talks being given. With my watch I can say 2012 workshops in
> >> > Christ were better than 2014 workshops.  Talks on Day 2 were better
> >> > than Day 1 this year...this was the feedback of some of my friends as
> >> > well who attended Pycon this year.  I agree with Noufal than just for
> >> > the sake of pulling crowd we should not compromise with the quality.
> >> > I would tell you honest feedback of mine. Paying 1000 bucks for one
> >> > workshop and then you come to know that's not worth peanuts .
> >> > Definitely we should concentrate on quality speakers whether be it for
> >> > intermediates or experts .
> >>
> >> [...]
> >>
> >> Workshops are more complicated since it's an attempt to actually teach
> >> rather than to just present an idea.
> >>
> >> I don't have any concrete thoughts on them. My original thread was
> >> focussed on the quality of talks rather than on the workshops.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cordially,
> >> Noufal
> >> http://nibrahim.net.in
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Inpycon mailing list
> >> Inpycon at python.org
> >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Regards...
> > ----------------------
> > Sumit Kumar Raj
> > Software Engineer,
> > Yodlee Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> > Bangalore,India
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Inpycon mailing list
> > Inpycon at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 13:41:52 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:11:52 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHLM5Tu1vx6rpE_TZ2aNbdq7OMc8iQe2U_2-7r-LKjCCjQ7DMw@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ wrote:

> Can we have talks upvote or downvote open to only those who have
> registered for the conf ?  This will reduce the fake votes I believe
> .As I attended one of the talks on Day 2 who got a lot of up-votes but
> I don't know what shit he was talking.

[...]

Maybe but it's still a measure of popularity rather than quality. 

That might be a good thing but I'm not sure if doing this will increase
the *quality* of the talks at the conference.


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sumit786raj at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:53:07 2014
From: sumit786raj at gmail.com (SUMIT KUMAR RAJ)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:23:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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At least this will reduce any bogus voting . You guys first pick the
quality ..People attending will decide the popularity.
Best of best.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:11 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ wrote:
>
> > Can we have talks upvote or downvote open to only those who have
> > registered for the conf ?  This will reduce the fake votes I believe
> > .As I attended one of the talks on Day 2 who got a lot of up-votes but
> > I don't know what shit he was talking.
>
> [...]
>
> Maybe but it's still a measure of popularity rather than quality.
>
> That might be a good thing but I'm not sure if doing this will increase
> the *quality* of the talks at the conference.
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 13:59:59 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:29:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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>
>
>
> In any case, we've gone by the "everything for everyone" approach for 5
> years now. I'm saying, let's try the other route and see if it works
> better. If yes, we'll stick to it, if no, we'll come back to the current
> approach. No gain without experiment.
>
> I'm strident about this because apart from the talk quality, everything
> is good at the conference. This is the only thing I've heard big
> complaints about and this, in my opinion, is the way to fix it.
>
> I'm not intransingent about this and am perfectly amenable to being
> argued out of it. I'd just like discussion. I think there must be
> atleast a few people who agree with my point of view.
>
> >>if we get more advance talk submissions we can think about it.
    This year we just got 2 advance talk and we had selected both of them.
    We had discussed with all sponsors to request tech lead/Architect of
their organisations to submit advance talk during PyCon India.
    Hope this will work If any other idea please share.
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:01:41 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:31:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:23 PM, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ <sumit786raj at gmail.com> wrote:
> At least this will reduce any bogus voting . You guys first pick the quality
> ..People attending will decide the popularity.
> Best of best.
>
Votes do not talk about quality.

Kushal
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http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From sumit786raj at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:05:24 2014
From: sumit786raj at gmail.com (SUMIT KUMAR RAJ)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:35:24 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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I am relating votes with popularity and quality to be checked by you people
before the voting is made.


On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:23 PM, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ <sumit786raj at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > At least this will reduce any bogus voting . You guys first pick the
> quality
> > ..People attending will decide the popularity.
> > Best of best.
> >
> Votes do not talk about quality.
>
> Kushal
> --
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From: gaurav.dadhania at gmail.com (Gaurav Dadhania)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:44:33 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:35 PM, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ <sumit786raj at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I am relating votes with popularity and quality to be checked by you
> people before the voting is made.
>

IMHO, that's exactly why votes are detrimental to the talk selection
process. Even if we limit the voting the attendees, recognizable
individuals within the community and individuals from large corporate
cohorts will receive higher votes than a newbie who is trying to submit a
proposal for the first time. Why not just have the editorial panel decide
all the talks? (In a transparent way like
https://github.com/rubyaustralia/rubyconfau-2013-cfp/, where you can still
comment and see all proposals, but no voting).


>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:31 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:23 PM, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ <sumit786raj at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > At least this will reduce any bogus voting . You guys first pick the
>> quality
>> > ..People attending will decide the popularity.
>> > Best of best.
>> >
>> Votes do not talk about quality.
>>
>> Kushal
>> --
>> CPython Core Developer
>> http://fedoraproject.org
>> http://kushaldas.in
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
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>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Regards...
> ----------------------
> Sumit Kumar Raj
> Software Engineer,
> Yodlee Infotech Pvt. Ltd.
> Bangalore,India
>
>
>
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:15:02 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:45:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:35 PM, SUMIT KUMAR RAJ <sumit786raj at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am relating votes with popularity and quality to be checked by you people
> before the voting is made.
>
Votes do not show popularity either. If you have a good number of
friends coming down to the event, with their help you can manipulate
any talks as you want.

Kushal
-- 
CPython Core Developer
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From nischal.hp at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:15:25 2014
From: nischal.hp at gmail.com (Nischal HP)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:45:25 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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I am with Noufal on this, I would really like to see those talks cause that
is what i take away.
Some of the talks this time was boring, no offence to any of the speakers
but I think that was primarily because of the topics.





On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <
> arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
> >> focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
> >> people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
> >> event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
> >> happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not
> sure
> >> I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
> >>
> > am -1 for not having beginners level sessions.  I personally think
> > PyCon India should continue with all three level beginners,
> > intermediate and Advance.  This is how PyCon India has grown and would
> > like to continue to see same.  Just Fyi: This year we had more 60 %
> > first timer.
>
> I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
> attendance for talk quality, I'd do it.
>
> The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
> talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
> doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
> has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
> the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.
>
> Now that Python express is there, I'm generally in favour of increasing
> year round workshops and user group meetings for newbies and making the
> conference more high end. No more "Introduction to X" style talks which
> you can easily pick up from a website or a tutorial. The workshops can
> be introductory but I'm also in favour of lengthening them and reducing
> the number so that you'll have a few deep workshops instead of lots of
> shallow ones.
>
> Even the talks, I'm completely okay with making it a single track event
> with only a small number of high quality talks. The kind of talks I'd
> like to see are
>
>  - Scaling Django to X users - How we did it at "Awesome startup".
>  - Handling large scale distributed systems in pure python - an
>    adventure with gevent.
>  - Interpreter hacks to sandbox code execution
>  - Stripping down Python to run on a limited memory embedded device.
>  - Why we rewrote a production scale Python app in Go and how we did it.
>  - Reducing technical debt. in large flask projects.
>  - Why the GIL might not be a problem.
>
> Things like that where people have actually had experience in dealing
> with the nitty gritty of solving hard problems and talk about their
> experiences. These are usually small talks followed by long QA about
> people experiencing similar problems.
>
> If we try to be everything for everyone, we'll end up being nothing. If
> we announce that PyCon India is for experienced, serious Python
> developers and live upto the announcement, intermediate and even some
> beginner people will actually learn something new and improve
> themselves. Advanced people will have a forum to discuss real problems
> rather than an audience with 60% first timers.
>
> My main concern is that there are more newbies than experienced
> folk. There are lots of outlets for newbies to learn things. Tutorials
> on the web, user group meetups, tutorials, classes, python express
> workshops etc. For advanced people though, there are almost no
> outlets. I'm in favour of making PyCon India a high quality event. Even
> by sacrificing number of talks and audience size. Quality over Quantity.
>
>
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:18:47 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:48:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Nischal HP <nischal.hp at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am with Noufal on this, I would really like to see those talks cause that
> is what i take away.
> Some of the talks this time was boring, no offence to any of the speakers
> but I think that was primarily because of the topics.

Can everyone please read mailing list guidelines from [1] and then
reply to any thread? That way we will be able to understand what
exactly you want to say.

[1] http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf

Kushal
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http://kushaldas.in

From nischal.hp at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:19:08 2014
From: nischal.hp at gmail.com (Nischal HP)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:49:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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And i also think what Arvi was trying to say is right, having a big
conference to accomodate everyone and all their needs just kills the
quality of the event. When the quality of the event goes up and it will
only if there are good talks, then we will attract a bigger and better set
of audience.

And just having sheer "x" number of attendees does not signify anything.
IMHO.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
wrote:

> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
> focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
> people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
> event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
> happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure
> I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
> On Oct 7, 2014 11:34 AM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
>> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>>
>> --
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>> Vijay
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From nischal.hp at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 14:20:02 2014
From: nischal.hp at gmail.com (Nischal HP)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 17:50:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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sorry my bad Kushal, will follow them from now on.

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Nischal HP <nischal.hp at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I am with Noufal on this, I would really like to see those talks cause
> that
> > is what i take away.
> > Some of the talks this time was boring, no offence to any of the speakers
> > but I think that was primarily because of the topics.
>
> Can everyone please read mailing list guidelines from [1] and then
> reply to any thread? That way we will be able to understand what
> exactly you want to say.
>
> [1]
> http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf
>
> Kushal
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 14:21:19 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 17:51:19 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:


[...]

>if we get more advance talk submissions we can think about it.  This
>year we just got 2 advance talk and we had selected both of them.  We
>had discussed with all sponsors to request tech lead/Architect of their
>organisations to submit advance talk during PyCon India.  Hope this
>will work If any other idea please share.
[...]

That might help but I don't think it's enough.

The point is to project PyCon India as an event which is for advanced
high quality talks. Motivated beginners are welcome but it's not a
newbie conference. 



-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From baiju.m.mail at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:35:36 2014
From: baiju.m.mail at gmail.com (Baiju M)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:05:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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Hi,

I had submitted two talk proposals this year. Both of them was not
selected :(  It would be good if the selection committee gives some
feedback in comments.  There was no comments in both proposals.
Feedback will be really helpful so that those who submit proposal can
make it better.

http://in.pycon.org/funnel/2014/247-automated-testing-using-pytest
http://in.pycon.org/funnel/2014/116-distributing-python-packages-using-setuptools

From me at kracekumar.com  Tue Oct  7 15:36:23 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:06:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <
> arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
> >> focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
> >> people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
> >> event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training
> >> happen via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not
> sure
> >> I will attend if we have 1500 next year :)
> >>
> > am -1 for not having beginners level sessions.  I personally think
> > PyCon India should continue with all three level beginners,
> > intermediate and Advance.  This is how PyCon India has grown and would
> > like to continue to see same.  Just Fyi: This year we had more 60 %
> > first timer.
>
> I'm not particular about the size of the event. If I could sacrifice
> attendance for talk quality, I'd do it.
>
> The main complaint about PyCon India (since the maiden event) has been
> talk quality. We're aiming to be all things for all people and that
> doesn't work out. While I think Arvi's work with the program committee
> has been superb, the effect was limited because we *wanted* to dilute
> the quality of the talks to satisfy newbies.
>

Well over the years the quality of the talks have improved.
If person worked in Python for 3 years continuously he would have learned
more, whereas PyCon quality of talks will not be same as his experience.
What is advanced for X may not be advanced for Y.


> Now that Python express is there, I'm generally in favour of increasing
> year round workshops and user group meetings for newbies and making the
> conference more high end. No more "Introduction to X" style talks which
> you can easily pick up from a website or a tutorial. The workshops can
> be introductory but I'm also in favour of lengthening them and reducing
> the number so that you'll have a few deep workshops instead of lots of
> shallow ones.
>

Talk selection committee decided not to have "Introduction to X" talks this
year. This is not the problem any more.


>
> Even the talks, I'm completely okay with making it a single track event
> with only a small number of high quality talks. The kind of talks I'd
> like to see are
>
>  - Scaling Django to X users - How we did it at "Awesome startup".
>  - Handling large scale distributed systems in pure python - an
>    adventure with gevent.
>  - Interpreter hacks to sandbox code execution
>  - Stripping down Python to run on a limited memory embedded device.

 - Why we rewrote a production scale Python app in Go and how we did it.
>  - Reducing technical debt. in large flask projects.
>  - Why the GIL might not be a problem.
>
>
Conference is for everyone beginner, Intermediate and advanced.  As a
community we need grow with different skill sets.
Also there isn't any problem for submission such talks.

Things like that where people have actually had experience in dealing
> with the nitty gritty of solving hard problems and talk about their
> experiences. These are usually small talks followed by long QA about
> people experiencing similar problems.
>
>
+1. I would say focus on original work and disallow people from reading
documentation, which we ensured this year.


> If we try to be everything for everyone, we'll end up being nothing. If
> we announce that PyCon India is for experienced, serious Python
> developers and live upto the announcement, intermediate and even some
> beginner people will actually learn something new and improve
> themselves. Advanced people will have a forum to discuss real problems
> rather than an audience with 60% first timers.
>

If there are 40% experienced still there is a huge audience for advance
topics.


>
> My main concern is that there are more newbies than experienced
> folk. There are lots of outlets for newbies to learn things. Tutorials
> on the web, user group meetups, tutorials, classes, python express
> workshops etc. For advanced people though, there are almost no
> outlets. I'm in favour of making PyCon India a high quality event. Even
> by sacrificing number of talks and audience size. Quality over Quantity.
>
>
Quality is one thing getting better every year. There are only limited
people
who do advanced stuff in Python. For various reasons they don't submit the
talks.

How many user group meetups in India are active apart from BangPypers ?
We shouldn't mix user group and conference. User groups has their own
agenda and caters for local needs.



>
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:42:40 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:12:40 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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>
> I had submitted two talk proposals this year. Both of them was not
> selected :(  It would be good if the selection committee gives some
> feedback in comments.  There was no comments in both proposals.
> Feedback will be really helpful so that those who submit proposal can
> make it better.
>
> >> Yes this is valuable point.
     lot of speaker contacted me asking reason for their talk being dropped.
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From abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:49:23 2014
From: abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com (Abhaya Agarwal)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:19:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 64, Issue 7
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Hi,

+1 to Noufal.

I wanted to make 2 additional points.


> > >> am -1 for not having beginners level sessions.
>      I personally think PyCon India should continue with all three level
> beginners, intermediate and Advance.
>      This  is how PyCon India has grown and would like to continue to see
> same.
>

We are conflating good with advanced and bad with beginners. My question
is: was there a beginners talk that was highly appreciated and was very
useful? A bad talk at whatever level is bad for its audience.

A conference can have two aims: 1) A meeting place for practitioners. 2)
Evangelism . Pycon has a big component of Python evangelism but I think it
might be time to spin that off to initiatives like Python Express and make
the core event more focused. This provides depth to the ecosystem.


>      Just Fyi: This year we had more 60 % first timer.
>

What is the growth rate? If the growth rate of Pycon is below 50%, this
means that significant number of people are not coming back. A high churn
rate indicates a problem. Perhaps people are not getting enough value out
of it.

Regards,
Abhaya
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:50:48 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:20:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:06 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
>Quality is one thing getting better every year. There are only limited
> people
> who do advanced stuff in Python. For various reasons they don't submit the
> talks.

Another problem is not many people are doing new upstream work, which
they can actually showcase in a conference like PyCon.

Kushal
-- 
CPython Core Developer
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From me at kracekumar.com  Tue Oct  7 15:52:03 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:22:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

>
> > Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?
>
> We won't attract any advanced talk submissions because people who do
> that kind of thing see PyCon India as a large gathering of newbies with
> very basic talks.
>
> I personally wouldn't submit a talk about anything advanced if I knew
> that most of the audience were first timers. Why would I? If I knew that
> the people who were attending are experienced, I'd be willing to put
> stuff out in front of them to solicit feedback and have interesting
> discussions. If most of the audience won't understand what I'm saying,
> why should I submit a talk at all?
>
>
If 40% of audience are non newbies, still there is high audience for
interaction.


> I know some friends who didn't submit a talk on distributed systems for
> ,atleast partially, this reason.
>
>
> > I still think we should have two track beginners and
> > intermediate/advances which solve the problems.  In future once our
> > advance talk submission increase we can rethink.
>
> Guidelines like
>  - No first time speakers
>

For example we had this rule as part of Talk selection. The talk `Medusa: A
much faster Python implementation based on the Dart Virtual Machine  ` was
given by college student and first timer.
It was one of the well received talk and was considered advanced talk.

 - No talks on topics that you've not personally worked on for a period
>    of time.
>  etc.
>
> will reduce the number of talks drastically filter it down to a small
> pool of high quality talks.
>
> I don't agree with your reasoning. If we keep it open like this, the
> talk quality will dwindle and we'll get more and more low quality talks
> which we'll filter from. We'll get "the best of the bad" and that'll be
> the maximum we ever reach. I'm for raising the bar so that submissions
> are good.
>
>
Well people will submit beginner level talks even if the description is
advanced level talks. There isn't solution for this.
Also this year we were never biased or had quota for beginner level talks.
We were allowed to choose what we have.



> In any case, we've gone by the "everything for everyone" approach for 5
> years now. I'm saying, let's try the other route and see if it works
> better. If yes, we'll stick to it, if no, we'll come back to the current
> approach. No gain without experiment.
>

We can experiment without breaking current momentum. Having outreach
program to more people working on interesting stuff may help the community
in general.
Having advance level talks is good but having only advance level is not
great idea.


>
> I'm strident about this because apart from the talk quality, everything
> is good at the conference. This is the only thing I've heard big
> complaints about and this, in my opinion, is the way to fix it.
>
>
Talk quality != advanced level talks.


> I'm not intransingent about this and am perfectly amenable to being
> argued out of it. I'd just like discussion. I think there must be
> atleast a few people who agree with my point of view.
>
>
>
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 15:57:58 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:27:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Program committee (was: Venue suggestion for PyCon
 India 2015)
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:28 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

>
> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I think name one person in not correct , Program committee was not
> > lead by Arvi for sure.  I feel bad to see individual name coming like
> > this more often.
>
> Point taken. I'm very sorry about that.
>
> I didn't mean to underplay the efforts of all the people involved in
> talk selection and everything else.
>
> I was mostly in touch with Arvi for everything related to talk selection
> (which was the only thing I was involved in this year) and that's why I
> said it. It shows my lack of involvement more than anything else that I
> don't know most of the people who worked on this.
>
> My point was that the selection process, with the speaker mentors, the
> chats between the people, filtering etc. was much more rigourous than
> before and that's a step forward.
>
> >> My point was it collective process not individual as it might happen we
don't know exactly  what happened. I even have few feedbacks but let me put
in improvements notes.

    There are lot of unsung hero's who need recognition if you ask me.

    Let make notes on improvement point to take steps forwards.
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From me at kracekumar.com  Tue Oct  7 16:03:24 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:33:24 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> >if we get more advance talk submissions we can think about it.  This
> >year we just got 2 advance talk and we had selected both of them.  We
> >had discussed with all sponsors to request tech lead/Architect of their
> >organisations to submit advance talk during PyCon India.  Hope this
> >will work If any other idea please share.
> [...]
>
> That might help but I don't think it's enough.
>
> The point is to project PyCon India as an event which is for advanced
> high quality talks. Motivated beginners are welcome but it's not a
> newbie conference.
>
>
I am still not convinced PyCon 2014 was newbie only conference. Looking at
the schedule http://in.pycon.org/2014/schedule.html#schedule_conference
there were definitely advanced, intermediate and newbie talks. Is there
anything specific you mean by newbie conference ?


>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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From benignbala at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 18:58:17 2014
From: benignbala at gmail.com (Balachandran Sivakumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:28:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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Hi,

On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?
>>
>> We won't attract any advanced talk submissions because people who do
>> that kind of thing see PyCon India as a large gathering of newbies with
>> very basic talks.
>>
>> I personally wouldn't submit a talk about anything advanced if I knew
>> that most of the audience were first timers. Why would I? If I knew that
>> the people who were attending are experienced, I'd be willing to put
>> stuff out in front of them to solicit feedback and have interesting
>> discussions. If most of the audience won't understand what I'm saying,
>> why should I submit a talk at all?
>>
>>
> If 40% of audience are non newbies, still there is high audience for
> interaction.
>

+1, 40% is a good number. And if there are 1000 participants, I would say
anything more than 200 should be considered a good crowd to present
something serious and get feedback.


For example we had this rule as part of Talk selection. The talk `Medusa: A
> much faster Python implementation based on the Dart Virtual Machine  ` was
> given by college student and first timer.
> It was one of the well received talk and was considered advanced talk.
>

         That's a fine example - But there was also another talk(I believe
the first one on day one after the keynote in Audi 1) which was not well
presented. And those who got seats in the back half couldn't even figure
out what the presenter was showing.(agree that slide visibility is a
different problem, but way it is presented was also not very good).



> I'm strident about this because apart from the talk quality, everything
>> is good at the conference. This is the only thing I've heard big
>> complaints about and this, in my opinion, is the way to fix it.
>>
>>
> Talk quality != advanced level talks.
>

         Agreed - Talk quality and advanced talks are different. But if I
understand correct, Noufal is talking about "in depth" content in talks.
For eg. "Multi threaded web server in python" might look like a very simple
topic. But if they have stuff on how they handle GIL, I would call that an
advanced level talk.


While we discuss this, I have some feedback on the venue itself(which
happens to be the subject of the email :) - Audi 2 is not big enough to
accomodate large audience. There were 3 talks in Audi 2 which I had to miss
because by the time I switched from Audi 1 to 2, it got filled up and I
either had to stand at very back. I don't know a lot of places in Bangalore
- But if there is something where one hall can accomodate 1000+ (for the
keynote) and the other can accomodate 500-600 that should be good.
Otherwise, we get constrained by space. Thanks



-- 
Thank you
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct  7 19:02:03 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 22:32:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Program committee
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajRyURp5AEF6LhoegKTpwzHskH_hffxje1LtEkvGnjWKPQ@mail.gmail.com>
 (vijay kumar's message of "Tue, 7 Oct 2014 19:27:58 +0530")
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On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:

[...]

> My point was it collective process not individual as it might happen we
> don't know exactly  what happened. I even have few feedbacks but let me put
> in improvements notes.
>
>     There are lot of unsung hero's who need recognition if you ask me.
>
>     Let make notes on improvement point to take steps forwards.

[...]

Completely agree. This was a oversight and mistake on my part. I
apologise.

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Tue Oct  7 19:16:47 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:46:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Program committee
In-Reply-To: <87y4srg6es.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > My point was it collective process not individual as it might happen we
> > don't know exactly  what happened. I even have few feedbacks but let me
> put
> > in improvements notes.
> >
> >     There are lot of unsung hero's who need recognition if you ask me.
> >
> >     Let make notes on improvement point to take steps forwards.
>
> [...]
>
> Completely agree. This was a oversight and mistake on my part. I
> apologise.
>
>
>     Hey no need to apologise.
    I just tried to provide you information so we all are on same page.
    At the end we all want community to get better everyday.
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From me at kracekumar.com  Tue Oct  7 19:24:59 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:54:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 10:28 PM, Balachandran Sivakumar <
benignbala at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:22 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > Do we really have so much advance talk submissions ?
>>>
>>> We won't attract any advanced talk submissions because people who do
>>> that kind of thing see PyCon India as a large gathering of newbies with
>>> very basic talks.
>>>
>>> I personally wouldn't submit a talk about anything advanced if I knew
>>> that most of the audience were first timers. Why would I? If I knew that
>>> the people who were attending are experienced, I'd be willing to put
>>> stuff out in front of them to solicit feedback and have interesting
>>> discussions. If most of the audience won't understand what I'm saying,
>>> why should I submit a talk at all?
>>>
>>>
>> If 40% of audience are non newbies, still there is high audience for
>> interaction.
>>
>
> +1, 40% is a good number. And if there are 1000 participants, I would say
> anything more than 200 should be considered a good crowd to present
> something serious and get feedback.
>
>
> For example we had this rule as part of Talk selection. The talk `Medusa:
>> A much faster Python implementation based on the Dart Virtual Machine  `
>> was given by college student and first timer.
>> It was one of the well received talk and was considered advanced talk.
>>
>
>          That's a fine example - But there was also another talk(I believe
> the first one on day one after the keynote in Audi 1) which was not well
> presented. And those who got seats in the back half couldn't even figure
> out what the presenter was showing.(agree that slide visibility is a
> different problem, but way it is presented was also not very good).
>

Agreed, we have noted this point. Next year we will send these instructions
to presenter.


>
>
>
>> I'm strident about this because apart from the talk quality, everything
>>> is good at the conference. This is the only thing I've heard big
>>> complaints about and this, in my opinion, is the way to fix it.
>>>
>>>
>> Talk quality != advanced level talks.
>>
>
>          Agreed - Talk quality and advanced talks are different. But if I
> understand correct, Noufal is talking about "in depth" content in talks.
> For eg. "Multi threaded web server in python" might look like a very simple
> topic. But if they have stuff on how they handle GIL, I would call that an
> advanced level talk.
>

Didn't I say similar thing in my previous email ?
"Having advance level talks is good but having only advance level is not
great idea."


>
> While we discuss this, I have some feedback on the venue itself(which
> happens to be the subject of the email :) - Audi 2 is not big enough to
> accomodate large audience. There were 3 talks in Audi 2 which I had to miss
> because by the time I switched from Audi 1 to 2, it got filled up and I
> either had to stand at very back. I don't know a lot of places in Bangalore
> - But if there is something where one hall can accomodate 1000+ (for the
> keynote) and the other can accomodate 500-600 that should be good.
> Otherwise, we get constrained by space. Thanks
>
>
>
That is disadvantage of NIMHANS, valid point and lot of people have raised
this concern.


>
> --
> Thank you
> Balachandran Sivakumar
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


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From blucalvin at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 13:37:03 2014
From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:07:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On 7 October 2014 14:40, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu> wrote:
> How about a smaller space with capacity for 600-700 people max?  A more
> focused Pycon that isn't trying to be everything for everyone with 1500
> people :) I vote for staying at Nimhans but improving the quality of the
> event for its core audience. Let beginner level sessions and training happen
> via python express throughout the year. Quite honestly, I'm not sure I will
> attend if we have 1500 next year :)

>From the discussion that has been going on regarding this idea, I
think this is the perfect excuse for a well planned, focused MiniConf.
While Python Express and Local meetups can cater to the beginner crowd
(only to an extent. As it has already been said, local meetup groups
have their own growth plans), and the MiniConf can cater to the
advanced crowd, PyCon India should be the place where everyone meets.

I believe a MiniConf would make sense for this since we have already
seen that the advanced sessions being proposed are less in comparison.

As Krace pointed out, advanced talks != talk quality. PyCon India's
talk qualities can, and should improve. That does not mean alienating
any part of the community, let them be beginners or veterans.

> In any case, we've gone by the "everything for everyone" approach for 5
> years now. I'm saying, let's try the other route and see if it works
> better. If yes, we'll stick to it, if no, we'll come back to the current
> approach. No gain without experiment.

Absolutely. But instead of experimenting on a huge project that has
shown consistent improvement over the years, let's take it slow, and
try it on a smaller scale to gauge the demand and acceptance.

Cheers,

-- 
Haris Ibrahim K. V.
http://sosaysharis.wordpress.com
@harisibrahimkv

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 14:36:47 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:06:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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>
>
>
> I believe a MiniConf would make sense for this since we have already
> seen that the advanced sessions being proposed are less in comparison.
>
> >>Good point , I had forget about it. We need lot of mini-conf to happen.
     We need help of local user group members to come forward and plan.
     This year we got more than 50% of non-bangalore volunteer so i have
hope they will come forward to support mini-conf .
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From jaseemabid at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 22:46:18 2014
From: jaseemabid at gmail.com (Jaseem Abid)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 02:16:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> >if we get more advance talk submissions we can think about it.  This
> >year we just got 2 advance talk and we had selected both of them.  We
> >had discussed with all sponsors to request tech lead/Architect of their
> >organisations to submit advance talk during PyCon India.  Hope this
> >will work If any other idea please share.
> [...]
>
> That might help but I don't think it's enough.
>
> The point is to project PyCon India as an event which is for advanced
> high quality talks. Motivated beginners are welcome but it's not a
> newbie conference.
>

I agree. I agree to every bit of it. I copy paste this and send it again as
my
own opinion.

Am I the only one who thinks that 60% newbies at a conference is a bad
thing?
Are we even thinking about why folks who attended last year didn't come this
year?

I am of the opinion that there are infinite resources out there to learn
python
fundamentals and PyCon being projected as a place to come and learn how to
write
Python `hello world` is a bad thing. There are much fewer places to learn
how to
handle load on a python server after a million users or how bad the GIL
really
is. Make PyCon a place for people who do real work with Python to come
forward
and learn and discuss, and not another learning resource. We have among all
the
things, Python Express for that.

The reason why I volunteered for open spaces this year was to make such
discussions happen and it sadly eventually led to another whole lot of
introduction to X and Y, except one or 2 good ones, which I'm happy about.
We
had too few talks and discussions about interesting things. I was literally
craving for someone to come up with a talk like 'Why stackless is bloody
cool'.
It didn't happen and I'm sad about it. There was nothing about core python.
There was no rip python apart session, or 'this simple library you can
contribute to' session showing code. *In my very humble opinion, that is
what
adds real value to conferences, not teaching python to another 1000 folks,
who
wont use it themselves ever again*. I'm not making this up, now we are in a
situation where experienced folks don't come because its too newbie stuff
and
newbies don't come because they don't know Python already.

Quoting Noufal, I'm all in for making "PyCon India [..] an event which is
for
advanced high quality talks"



>
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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Jaseem Abid
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From abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 04:08:56 2014
From: abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com (Abhaya Agarwal)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 07:38:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:16 AM, Jaseem Abid <jaseemabid at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 5:51 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, Oct 07 2014, vijay kumar wrote:
>>
>

> Am I the only one who thinks that 60% newbies at a conference is a bad
> thing?
> Are we even thinking about why folks who attended last year didn't come
> this
> year?
>

I was quite surprised at the show of hands during Kushal's keynote. Almost
everyone was a first timer! Unless the growth rate of conference is 30%,
this means around half the folks didn't come back!

The reason why I volunteered for open spaces this year was to make such
>
discussions happen and it sadly eventually led to another whole lot of
> introduction to X and Y, except one or 2 good ones, which I'm happy about.
> We
> had too few talks and discussions about interesting things. I was literally
> craving for someone to come up with a talk like 'Why stackless is bloody
> cool'.
> It didn't happen and I'm sad about it. There was nothing about core python.
> There was no rip python apart session, or 'this simple library you can
> contribute to' session showing code. *In my very humble opinion, that is
> what
> adds real value to conferences, not teaching python to another 1000 folks,
> who
> wont use it themselves ever again*. I'm not making this up, now we are in a
> situation where experienced folks don't come because its too newbie stuff
> and
> newbies don't come because they don't know Python already.
>

Running with the idea of Miniconf, would it help to assign specific themes
or tracks to attract quality talks? For example, Python and Computer
Science. A talk about writing a quine in Python is perhaps elementary but
not something a lot of people are likely to come across on their own. Or a
in depth exploration of the sort algorithm as implemented in standard
library. Something that students can connect to and something that will be
interesting to experts as well.

May be mark one of the parallel sessions as Exploring Python and fill it
with rapid fire 15 min talks which introduce a topic, a area, a lib and
instead of doing examples and basic documentation just provide tons of
pointers. The inspiration here is personal. I got introduced to Pycon when
I came across a talk someone gave on RML - a markup language to generate
PDFs. This can be useful for beginners and others can simply avoid it.


> Quoting Noufal, I'm all in for making "PyCon India [..] an event which is
> for
> advanced high quality talks"
>

I remember receiving this advice about my Pycon talk: if in doubt, make it
more challenging. If the audience cannot keep up, they can always catch up
with you offline but if they feel bored, they are likely to just ignore
everything.

I think we need to apply this advice to the conference as a whole. It needs
to feel more challenging to be engaging and to get people for coming back
for more.

Regards,
Abhaya
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 14:37:25 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:07:25 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback form processing status
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Hi ,
    I am not sure who all are processing feedback form.
    Can i please get status of the same ?

-- 
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Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 19:56:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Feedback form processing status
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Siva is processing the feedback form. It should be done by today or
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From jaysinhp at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 20:44:11 2014
From: jaysinhp at gmail.com (Jaysinh shukla)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:14:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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Ahmedabad
On 7 Oct 2014 12:11, "Divya Sanghi" <divyasanghi145 at gmail.com> wrote:

> hyderabad
>
> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
>> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Vijay
>>
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Tue Oct 14 20:52:29 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:22:29 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India outside Bangalore (was: Venue suggestion for
	PyCon India 2015)
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While I'd love to have the conference move out to places other than
Bangalore, it's a sad fact that there's not enough of activity or
community in any of the other cities to host a conference of this size.

If you're interested in moving PyCon India to your city, please try to
gather people together and conduct a small event there. That will
familiarise you with issues while running a large event. Then send an
email here and we can work out how to do it there. 

Thanks.

On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Jaysinh shukla wrote:

> Ahmedabad
> On 7 Oct 2014 12:11, "Divya Sanghi" <divyasanghi145 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hyderabad
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
>>> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vijay
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Inpycon mailing list
>>> Inpycon at python.org
>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> Inpycon at python.org
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Cordially,
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http://nibrahim.net.in

From maithani.aniket at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 21:10:16 2014
From: maithani.aniket at gmail.com (Aniket Maithani)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:40:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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* - Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members
capacity with good public transportation connectivity ? - Vijay *

First of all a good thread to kick things off. It was my first time that I
attended Pycon India and the experience was truly amazing and NOT to forget
the quality of food!! My take is that NIMHANS is perfect for Pycon but I am
guessing seating capacity is the issue we can surely check out the
following : [http://goo.gl/vHmpyN] : Also one of my friend suggested the
following [White Orchid Convention Center in Hebbal]. I have been to this
convention center and it's quite spacious.

@Jaysinh Shukla I think it's better if we would stick to Bangalore for the
next year too. And there are number of reason(s) for the same. Firstly,
this year I saw Pycon was extremely well organised reason being volunteers
and other people involved are accustomed to Bengaluru. But don't take me
wrong if anybody wants to suggest any other city he/she is welcome to do so
provided the activity graph related to event(s) related to Python is quite
high, pre-run up events etc.

p.s This is my personal opinion.
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From sayan at hackerearth.com  Tue Oct 14 22:10:49 2014
From: sayan at hackerearth.com (Sayan Chowdhury)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 01:40:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members capacity
> with good public transportation connectivity ?
>

I checked out with St. Johns Auditorium, Bangalore. It has only one
auditorium with a capacity of 1020.
Also, the cost for the auditorium is way too high.


-- 
Sayan Chowdhury
Software Developer, HackerEarth

From versesane at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 00:05:11 2014
From: versesane at gmail.com (Ankur Gupta)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 03:35:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon India outside Bangalore (was: Venue suggestion
 for PyCon India 2015)
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

>
> While I'd love to have the conference move out to places other than
> Bangalore, it's a sad fact that there's not enough of activity or
> community in any of the other cities to host a conference of this size.
>

Mumbai has probably had more regular python meetups last year then
bangalore. Coupled with scipy being hosted every year at IITB. I stay in
Bangalore now and don't volunteer in mumpy. Neither am I saying Mumbai
should get a chance to host it. It's for the volunteers of mumpy to decide
and speak up.


>
> If you're interested in moving PyCon India to your city, please try to
> gather people together and conduct a small event there. That will
> familiarise you with issues while running a large event. Then send an
> email here and we can work out how to do it there.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Jaysinh shukla wrote:
>
> > Ahmedabad
> > On 7 Oct 2014 12:11, "Divya Sanghi" <divyasanghi145 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> hyderabad
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 11:33 AM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Any suggestion for Venue bigger than NIHMANS around 1500 members
> capacity
> >>> with good public transportation connectivity ?
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Vijay
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Inpycon mailing list
> >>> Inpycon at python.org
> >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> Inpycon at python.org
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> >>
> >>
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Inpycon at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 05:23:20 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:53:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Baiju M <baiju.m.mail at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had submitted two talk proposals this year. Both of them was not
> selected :(  It would be good if the selection committee gives some
> feedback in comments.  There was no comments in both proposals.
> Feedback will be really helpful so that those who submit proposal can
> make it better
> ?.
>

?Agree completely. Unfortunately, right now its more of a filtering +
mentorship model for those who are selected and doesnt do a good enough job
of engaging with everyone. At minimum, it is fair to expect some indicative
comments with feedback.?
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 05:39:46 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:09:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Venue suggestion for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. <blucalvin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> From the discussion that has been going on regarding this idea, I
> think this is the perfect excuse for a well planned, focused MiniConf.
> While Python Express and Local meetups can cater to the beginner crowd
> (only to an extent. As it has already been said, local meetup groups
> have their own growth plans), and the MiniConf can cater to the
> advanced crowd, PyCon India should be the place where everyone meets.
>

?There's definitely room for MiniConfs on some advanced topics, and we
should do that.

However, ?from my experience, as you start to dilute the larger conference
to focus more on beginners, it will progress towards mostly being about
them.

Advanced and experienced speakers will stop coming.

And then over a period of time, even the intermediate ones will stop
(except the ones organizing the event).

>From what I've seen across various mobile/cloud meetup groups, this is what
tends to happens over time.

They become groups where 80-90% of the audience is beginner, and 60-70% of
the audience changes each time.

This makes it hard to build a real community that is engaged, active, and
interacting with each other over a sustained period of time.

As Krace pointed out, advanced talks != talk quality. PyCon India's
> talk qualities can, and should improve. That does not mean alienating
> any part of the community, let them be beginners or veterans
> ?.?
>

?IMO advanced talks are more than just about talk quality. They elevate the
conversations, drive greater collaboration, and create a more vibrant
community.
This is what seeds a network of experienced people whose learnings can then
be spread and shared across the rest of the community via a network effect.

?What Pycon India is at risk of right now, is a reverse network effect.
(Context:
http://thenextweb.com/insider/2012/12/22/reverse-network-effects-why-scale-may-be-the-biggest-threat-facing-todays-social-networks/
)


> > In any case, we've gone by the "everything for everyone" approach for 5
> > years now. I'm saying, let's try the other route and see if it works
> > better. If yes, we'll stick to it, if no, we'll come back to the current
> > approach. No gain without experiment.
>
> Absolutely. But instead of experimenting on a huge project that has
> shown consistent improvement over the years, let's take it slow, and
> try it on a smaller scale to gauge the demand and acceptance.
>

IMO ?Pycon has grown by accident, not by careful conscious choices that
were made. I'm essentially making a plea for us to have a plan, and to make
specific choices about what we will do.

(IMO) We *must* enable the beginners and help spread Python. I believe the
Python Express effort is the best platform for it, and we must invest in it
with a longer term commitment to enabling its success.

(IMO) We *must* enable diversity, and make deliberate choices towards
accommodating and supporting all groups and making it inclusive for them.

(IMO) We *must* plan for breakaway miniconfs, and they are great
opportunities to dive into specific problem sets in smaller groups.

(IMO) We *must* focus on our core audience, and make the event a success
for them. And even if that means slowing down our growth in terms of raw
numbers for a while, and improving the quality of *conversations* that
happen (not just talks), I feel that's that right direction to go.

Here's to a great 2015 :)

-A
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 08:32:00 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:02:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
Message-ID: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
   We are gone stay with NIHMANS , Bangalore as our venue for PyCon India
2015.
   As next steps we need to finalize dates two dates which doesn't have
public holiday and conferences are
    1) Sept 25-28th 2015
    2) Oct 2-4 2015

    I personally think Oct 2-4 is best as no one need to put leave in
office/colleges and no festivals around that time.

suggestions ?

-- 
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From praveenkumar103 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:06:08 2014
From: praveenkumar103 at gmail.com (praveen patil)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:36:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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+1 for Oct 2-4.  As we need not put leave.

Regards
Praveen
On 15-Oct-2014 12:28 PM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>    We are gone stay with NIHMANS , Bangalore as our venue for PyCon India
> 2015.
>    As next steps we need to finalize dates two dates which doesn't have
> public holiday and conferences are
>     1) Sept 25-28th 2015
>     2) Oct 2-4 2015
>
>     I personally think Oct 2-4 is best as no one need to put leave in
> office/colleges and no festivals around that time.
>
> suggestions ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:09:16 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:39:16 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAzeMbzk-D21-yj8w=LUZDjkPd_4KYxZo8TgjKhYR9HgPYW+Ag@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     2) Oct 2-4 2015
This sounds good. Train/flight tickets will also be available during this time.

Kushal
-- 
CPython Core Developer
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From aravind.geek at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:09:26 2014
From: aravind.geek at gmail.com (Aravind Muthu)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:39:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CALDdS8=Xx-kTkGvaajGYh37wF_z-YWgnPvmLhftARQTfQtA4FQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CALVo0=6y6LboRF=ksjVTJ2QwLPEEQ8QHtRAP=0ZEWt=aDZD5Vg@mail.gmail.com>

Most of them will prefer to be in home on festival time.

Regards,
Aravind.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:36 PM, praveen patil <praveenkumar103 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> +1 for Oct 2-4.  As we need not put leave.
>
> Regards
> Praveen
> On 15-Oct-2014 12:28 PM, "vijay kumar" <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>    We are gone stay with NIHMANS , Bangalore as our venue for PyCon India
>> 2015.
>>    As next steps we need to finalize dates two dates which doesn't have
>> public holiday and conferences are
>>     1) Sept 25-28th 2015
>>     2) Oct 2-4 2015
>>
>>     I personally think Oct 2-4 is best as no one need to put leave in
>> office/colleges and no festivals around that time.
>>
>> suggestions ?
>>
>> --
>> Thanks,
>> Vijay
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:05:43 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:35:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
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On 15 October 2014 12:02, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>    We are gone stay with NIHMANS , Bangalore as our venue for PyCon India
> 2015.
>    As next steps we need to finalize dates two dates which doesn't have
> public holiday and conferences are
>     1) Sept 25-28th 2015
>     2) Oct 2-4 2015
>
>     I personally think Oct 2-4 is best as no one need to put leave in
> office/colleges and no festivals around that time.
>
> suggestions ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>

Hi All,

Oct 2-4 is perfect as no one need to put leave.

Thanks
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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 09:08:14 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:38:14 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <543E1D5E.2040500@bibhas.in>


On 10/15/2014 12:02 PM, vijay kumar wrote:
> Hi all,
>    We are gone stay with NIHMANS , Bangalore as our venue for PyCon 
> India 2015.
>    As next steps we need to finalize dates two dates which doesn't 
> have public holiday and conferences are
>     1) Sept 25-28th 2015
>     2) Oct 2-4 2015
>
>     I personally think Oct 2-4 is best as no one need to put leave in 
> office/colleges and no festivals around that time.

The date Oct 2-4 is fine. But can we explore other venues a little 
please? This year Audi 2 was majorly overflown and people had to stand 
at the door, a lot of them couldn't even enter the room. We may or may 
not have the same number of participants next year. But we should be 
prepared at least.

>
> suggestions ?
>
> -- 
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon

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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 09:15:05 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:45:05 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
Message-ID: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>

Hi,

As someone pointed out earlier and I also think that we don't have 
enough activities at PyCon to engage newer developer. It's kind of just 
people coming to venue, sitting at the audis all day long and going home 
with some points that they might even forget in couple of days.

I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started 
programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most 
PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev 
sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for 
that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS 
again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables, 
chairs, mattresses and it could make a great dev sprint spot. This will 
make the conference more engaging for the participants. It'd have been 
perfect if we could get an extra day and experiment for a year. But _if_ 
that's not possible, can we do it within the conf days?

Thanks,
Bibhas

From mrinmoy.das91 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:20:49 2014
From: mrinmoy.das91 at gmail.com (Mrinmoy Das)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:50:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
Message-ID: <CAFWA-MP7-F16N_wA+PaR0f7GcMQbuskh0io--CyToAS6yomt8g@mail.gmail.com>

+1 for development sprints.

Mrinmoy Das
http://goromlagche.in/

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> As someone pointed out earlier and I also think that we don't have enough
> activities at PyCon to engage newer developer. It's kind of just people
> coming to venue, sitting at the audis all day long and going home with some
> points that they might even forget in couple of days.
>
> I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
> programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most PyCons,
> after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev sprints that's
> open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for that many extra
> days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS again) lying unused
> for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables, chairs, mattresses and it
> could make a great dev sprint spot. This will make the conference more
> engaging for the participants. It'd have been perfect if we could get an
> extra day and experiment for a year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we
> do it within the conf days?
>
> Thanks,
> Bibhas
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:21:44 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:51:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
Message-ID: <CAAzeMbwn1BrRDB4B-vD14tUBz-vp3TvsWzDhbmjWKebP0SG7cQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
> programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most PyCons,
> after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev sprints that's
> open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for that many extra
> days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS again) lying unused for
> 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables, chairs, mattresses and it could
> make a great dev sprint spot. This will make the conference more engaging
> for the participants. It'd have been perfect if we could get an extra day
> and experiment for a year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we do it within
> the conf days?

I am the co-ordinator for the development sprint days in PyCon US. The
biggest problem for doing similar level of sprints is the lack of
upstream project/developers in the conference. We need more developers
from upstream projects to participate for this and I do know we have a
few of them in the conference.

Kushal
-- 
CPython Core Developer
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 09:25:04 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:55:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in> (Bibhas's message of "Wed, 15 Oct
 2014 12:45:05 +0530")
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
Message-ID: <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>

On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:

[...]

> I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
> programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most
> PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev
> sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for
> that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS
> again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables,
> chairs, mattresses and it could make a great dev sprint spot. This
> will make the conference more engaging for the participants. It'd have
> been perfect if we could get an extra day and experiment for a
> year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we do it within the conf days?

[...]

Would it make sense to conduct a one day "dev sprint" kind of program
distinct from PyCon at a smaller venue in say, a few months? 

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anandpillai at letterboxes.org  Wed Oct 15 09:28:41 2014
From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:58:41 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
Message-ID: <543E2229.5010105@letterboxes.org>

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On Wednesday 15 October 2014 12:45 PM, Bibhas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> As someone pointed out earlier and I also think that we don't have 
> enough activities at PyCon to engage newer developer. It's kind of
> just people coming to venue, sitting at the audis all day long and
> going home with some points that they might even forget in couple
> of days.
> 
> I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started 
> programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in
> most PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and
> organize dev sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not
> have budget for that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if
> we go for NIMHANS again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can
> throw in some tables, chairs, mattresses and it could make a great
> dev sprint spot. This will make the conference more engaging for
> the participants. It'd have been perfect if we could get an extra
> day and experiment for a year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we
> do it within the conf days?

+1. This should be doable. We are not utilizing the entire top floor
of NIMHANS while it is available to us.

It would be nice to do some core Python Sprints to squash bugs - like
a bug day for a few selected modules perhaps.

Note this needs to be organized top-down. I don't think a sudden
Sprint on PyCon India days would work. We need to organize a few mini
sprints in preceding months to spark developer interest and then take
it to finale in the conference.

BangPypers meetups could be used for some of this.

Also take a look at http://pythonsprints.com/ and give your ideas.

> 
> Thanks, Bibhas _______________________________________________ 
> Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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- -- 
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- --Anand

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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:23:07 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:53:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CAFWA-MP7-F16N_wA+PaR0f7GcMQbuskh0io--CyToAS6yomt8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
 <CAFWA-MP7-F16N_wA+PaR0f7GcMQbuskh0io--CyToAS6yomt8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAzeMbwKYaN71E7m8rVHMU=r-nDmeN6LQoiEaJ_iGA22YviJ5Q@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Mrinmoy Das <mrinmoy.das91 at gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for development sprints.
>
> Mrinmoy Das
> http://goromlagche.in/
>
-1 for the top post. Please read [1] before replying to the mailing lists.

[1] http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf

Kushal
-- 
CPython Core Developer
http://fedoraproject.org
http://kushaldas.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 09:29:45 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:59:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <543E1D5E.2040500@bibhas.in> (Bibhas's message of "Wed, 15 Oct
 2014 12:38:14 +0530")
References: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
 <543E1D5E.2040500@bibhas.in>
Message-ID: <87siippz86.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>

On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:


[...]

> The date Oct 2-4 is fine. But can we explore other venues a little
> please? This year Audi 2 was majorly overflown and people had to stand
> at the door, a lot of them couldn't even enter the room. We may or may
> not have the same number of participants next year. But we should be
> prepared at least.

It might be a good idea to simply restrict the maximum number of
participants (and talks).



[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 09:30:04 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:00:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in> <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
Message-ID: <543E227C.1040408@bibhas.in>


On 10/15/2014 12:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
>> programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most
>> PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev
>> sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for
>> that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS
>> again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables,
>> chairs, mattresses and it could make a great dev sprint spot. This
>> will make the conference more engaging for the participants. It'd have
>> been perfect if we could get an extra day and experiment for a
>> year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we do it within the conf days?
> [...]
>
> Would it make sense to conduct a one day "dev sprint" kind of program
> distinct from PyCon at a smaller venue in say, a few months?

Doing it sometime other than after PyCon might make it tough for asking 
people from across the country to attend and ask them to pay 
registration fee for the venue, food etc. We could do it if we target a 
single city and the venue cost is sponsored somehow.


From wittynwise2005 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:33:47 2014
From: wittynwise2005 at gmail.com (Vaibhav Tulsyan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:03:47 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
	<87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
Message-ID: <CAHzezByVX4SdRsekgCSBcBWcW6dMaZh6mBzSXzQKzwQ-3VJQ8A@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible that the attendees form teams at the conference and start
off new projects there, building minimal working prototypes by the last
day? The projects that start off at PyCon can be then continued further as
full-fledged projects.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
> > programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most
> > PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev
> > sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for
> > that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS
> > again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables,
> > chairs, mattresses and it could make a great dev sprint spot. This
> > will make the conference more engaging for the participants. It'd have
> > been perfect if we could get an extra day and experiment for a
> > year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we do it within the conf days?
>
> [...]
>
> Would it make sense to conduct a one day "dev sprint" kind of program
> distinct from PyCon at a smaller venue in say, a few months?
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>



-- 
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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 09:39:36 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:09:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CAHzezByVX4SdRsekgCSBcBWcW6dMaZh6mBzSXzQKzwQ-3VJQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>	<87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
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Message-ID: <543E24B8.20705@bibhas.in>


On 10/15/2014 01:03 PM, Vaibhav Tulsyan wrote:
> Is it possible that the attendees form teams at the conference and 
> start off new projects there, building minimal working prototypes by 
> the last day? The projects that start off at PyCon can be then 
> continued further as full-fledged projects.

It's entirely upto the participants, right? We cannot force them to 
start projects. We try to encourage conversations among participants and 
can only hope that that leads somewhere. And I'm kind of against having 
something like 48 hours hackathon at PyCon. That takes people's mind 
away from the conference and sessions.

BTW, -1 for top posting. Read Kushal's post on the other thread.

>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV 
> <noufal at nibrahim.net.in <mailto:noufal at nibrahim.net.in>> wrote:
>
>     On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>
>     [...]
>
>     > I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
>     > programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most
>     > PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev
>     > sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not have
>     budget for
>     > that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS
>     > again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables,
>     > chairs, mattresses and it could make a great dev sprint spot. This
>     > will make the conference more engaging for the participants.
>     It'd have
>     > been perfect if we could get an extra day and experiment for a
>     > year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we do it within the conf
>     days?
>
>     [...]
>
>     Would it make sense to conduct a one day "dev sprint" kind of program
>     distinct from PyCon at a smaller venue in say, a few months?
>
>     --
>     Cordially,
>     Noufal
>     http://nibrahim.net.in
>     _______________________________________________
>     Inpycon mailing list
>     Inpycon at python.org <mailto:Inpycon at python.org>
>     https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Regards,
> Vaibhav Tulsyan.
>
>
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From kushaldas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:40:13 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:10:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CAHzezByVX4SdRsekgCSBcBWcW6dMaZh6mBzSXzQKzwQ-3VJQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in> <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Vaibhav Tulsyan
<wittynwise2005 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is it possible that the attendees form teams at the conference and start off
> new projects there, building minimal working prototypes by the last day? The
> projects that start off at PyCon can be then continued further as
> full-fledged projects.
>

It is very much possible as no one is stopping you to do so, *you*
have to start taking initiatives on that. But  before you do anything
else first read [1] and please stop doing top posting in any email
reply.

[1] http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf

Kushal
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CPython Core Developer
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 09:41:43 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:11:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CAHzezByVX4SdRsekgCSBcBWcW6dMaZh6mBzSXzQKzwQ-3VJQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
 (Vaibhav Tulsyan's message of "Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:03:47 +0530")
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in> <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
 <CAHzezByVX4SdRsekgCSBcBWcW6dMaZh6mBzSXzQKzwQ-3VJQ8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <87fveppyo8.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>

On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Vaibhav Tulsyan wrote:

> Is it possible that the attendees form teams at the conference and
> start off new projects there, building minimal working prototypes by
> the last day? The projects that start off at PyCon can be then
> continued further as full-fledged projects.

[...]

It's *possible* and not much more.


-- 
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Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From kiran.daredevil at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 09:46:20 2014
From: kiran.daredevil at gmail.com (Kiran Gangadharan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:16:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <CAHX9ajSV2T9t4SBE10Hb32sSuouy+9Pyd3NuCBuo=TtyhdKN7g@mail.gmail.com>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>    We are gone stay with NIHMANS , Bangalore as our venue for PyCon India
> 2015.
>    As next steps we need to finalize dates two dates which doesn't have
> public holiday and conferences are
>     1) Sept 25-28th 2015
>     2) Oct 2-4 2015
>
>     I personally think Oct 2-4 is best as no one need to put leave in
> office/colleges and no festivals around that time.
>

+1 for Oct 2-4


> suggestions ?
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Vijay
>
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 10:00:26 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:30:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CAAzeMbwn1BrRDB4B-vD14tUBz-vp3TvsWzDhbmjWKebP0SG7cQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
> I am the co-ordinator for the development sprint days in PyCon US. The
> biggest problem for doing similar level of sprints is the lack of
> upstream project/developers in the conference. We need more developers
> from upstream projects to participate for this and I do know we have a
> few of them in the conference.
>


?What if we ran a sprint to take up a few projects where some of us are
close to, or are already local contributors/maintainers and ran a short
sprint?  Kushal - you have Retask yourself. Anand has web.py or broadgauge
(pythonexpress). There are some of us involved in Flask related third party
projects.?

This is a good opportunity to get people involved in understanding what it
really takes to become an upstream contributor by being working side by
side with us.

I like this idea, and would be willing to volunteer to help make it happen.
My only caveat is that we should separate this from the conference days
since they are already packed with way too much going on.

-A
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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 10:05:44 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:35:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CAHQ+6KH-DCJdyas3+H+y8UJja3wS_VD8m9Aira3T4KO4KXRkpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
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Message-ID: <543E2AD8.3030500@bibhas.in>


On 10/15/2014 01:30 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com 
> <mailto:kushaldas at gmail.com>>wrote:
>
>     On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in
>     <mailto:me at bibhas.in>> wrote:
>     I am the co-ordinator for the development sprint days in PyCon US. The
>     biggest problem for doing similar level of sprints is the lack of
>     upstream project/developers in the conference. We need more developers
>     from upstream projects to participate for this and I do know we have a
>     few of them in the conference.
>
>
>
> ? What if we ran a sprint to take up a few projects where some of us 
> are close to, or are already local contributors/maintainers and ran a 
> short sprint?  Kushal - you have Retask yourself. Anand has web.py or 
> broadgauge (pythonexpress). There are some of us involved in Flask 
> related third party projects.?

Yes. To start with, maybe we can actively look for some projects and ask 
the upstream to host a sprint. Maybe newcomers will see that and be 
encouraged to do it next year themselves.

>
> This is a good opportunity to get people involved in understanding 
> what it really takes to become an upstream contributor by being 
> working side by side with us.
>
> I like this idea, and would be willing to volunteer to help make it 
> happen. My only caveat is that we should separate this from the 
> conference days since they are already packed with way too much going on.

Yeah. We also have the workshop day with almost empty venue. How about 
we move the workshop day to the end of the conference and host it 
parallel to the sprint? I'm not sure how that'd affect the workshops 
though. I'm also not sure about the feedback of the workshop day. I have 
never seen much buzz about it.

>
> -A
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 10:44:11 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:14:11 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
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On 15-Oct-2014 12:52 pm, "Kushal Das" <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am the co-ordinator for the development sprint days in PyCon US. The
> biggest problem for doing similar level of sprints is the lack of
> upstream project/developers in the conference. We need more developers
> from upstream projects to participate for this and I do know we have a
> few of them in the conference.
>
> Kushal

Agreed , we need more upstream developers to understand the actual
contributions which will help us to
participate in open source projects.

Thanks
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From me at kracekumar.com  Wed Oct 15 10:54:28 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:24:28 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <87y4shpzfz.fsf@nibrahim.net.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
> > programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in most
> > PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and organize dev
> > sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not have budget for
> > that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if we go for NIMHANS
> > again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can throw in some tables,
> > chairs, mattresses and it could make a great dev sprint spot. This
> > will make the conference more engaging for the participants. It'd have
> > been perfect if we could get an extra day and experiment for a
> > year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we do it within the conf days?
>
> [...]
>
> Would it make sense to conduct a one day "dev sprint" kind of program
> distinct from PyCon at a smaller venue in say, a few months?
>
>
We should do that and have sprints as part of main conf. Though it may be
too much to ask.
Once we have sizeable volunteer base from other cities we can do this. User
group can play big role.


> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From me at kracekumar.com  Wed Oct 15 10:56:54 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:26:54 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <543E2229.5010105@letterboxes.org>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:58 PM, Anand B Pillai <
anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote:

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> On Wednesday 15 October 2014 12:45 PM, Bibhas wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > As someone pointed out earlier and I also think that we don't have
> > enough activities at PyCon to engage newer developer. It's kind of
> > just people coming to venue, sitting at the audis all day long and
> > going home with some points that they might even forget in couple
> > of days.
> >
> > I think a development sprint is a great way to get people started
> > programming and contributing and networking. Like it's done in
> > most PyCons, after the conf is over, they take 2-5 days and
> > organize dev sprints that's open for everybody. I know we might not
> > have budget for that many extra days, but we have a whole floor(if
> > we go for NIMHANS again) lying unused for 3 whole days. We can
> > throw in some tables, chairs, mattresses and it could make a great
> > dev sprint spot. This will make the conference more engaging for
> > the participants. It'd have been perfect if we could get an extra
> > day and experiment for a year. But _if_ that's not possible, can we
> > do it within the conf days?
>
> +1. This should be doable. We are not utilizing the entire top floor
> of NIMHANS while it is available to us.
>
> It would be nice to do some core Python Sprints to squash bugs - like
> a bug day for a few selected modules perhaps.
>
> Note this needs to be organized top-down. I don't think a sudden
> Sprint on PyCon India days would work. We need to organize a few mini
> sprints in preceding months to spark developer interest and then take
> it to finale in the conference.
>
> BangPypers meetups could be used for some of this.
>
>
We are planning for sprint as part of BangPypers in december. Dates and
venue is not finalized.


> Also take a look at http://pythonsprints.com/ and give your ideas.
>
> >
> > Thanks, Bibhas _______________________________________________
> > Inpycon mailing list Inpycon at python.org
> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> >
>
>
> - --
> Regards,
>
> - --Anand
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> -
>
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From me at kracekumar.com  Wed Oct 15 11:04:56 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:34:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <543E2AD8.3030500@bibhas.in>
References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 1:35 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

>
> On 10/15/2014 01:30 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy wrote:
>
>  On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:45 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>> I am the co-ordinator for the development sprint days in PyCon US. The
>> biggest problem for doing similar level of sprints is the lack of
>> upstream project/developers in the conference. We need more developers
>> from upstream projects to participate for this and I do know we have a
>> few of them in the conference.
>>
>
>
>  ? What if we ran a sprint to take up a few projects where some of us are
> close to, or are already local contributors/maintainers and ran a short
> sprint?  Kushal - you have Retask yourself. Anand has web.py or broadgauge
> (pythonexpress). There are some of us involved in Flask related third party
> projects.?
>
>
> Yes. To start with, maybe we can actively look for some projects and ask
> the upstream to host a sprint. Maybe newcomers will see that and be
> encouraged to do it next year themselves.
>
>
>  This is a good opportunity to get people involved in understanding what
> it really takes to become an upstream contributor by being working side by
> side with us.
>
>  I like this idea, and would be willing to volunteer to help make it
> happen. My only caveat is that we should separate this from the conference
> days since they are already packed with way too much going on.
>
>
> Yeah. We also have the workshop day with almost empty venue. How about we
> move the workshop day to the end of the conference and host it parallel to
> the sprint? I'm not sure how that'd affect the workshops though. I'm also
> not sure about the feedback of the workshop day. I have never seen much
> buzz about it.
>
>
Having workshop on first day helps in sorting lots of logistics issues for
next day. We can have sprints on the first day in first floor. There is
space limitation. 50 to 100 people can easily work. I think there are lot
smaller open source projects written by many of us. Not everyone needs to
contribute to Django, Flask, Python 3. I think it is good idea to start and
improve the quality later.

>
>  -A
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing listInpycon at python.orghttps://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>
>
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 11:24:18 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:54:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
In-Reply-To: <CALWxmCSm5K1KFWCD3u-67Z28Ha+WL5T+YZs9unCgvwyr5a9Jww@mail.gmail.com>
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References: <543E1EF9.6060508@bibhas.in>
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:


[...]

> Having workshop on first day helps in sorting lots of logistics issues
> for next day. We can have sprints on the first day in first
> floor. There is space limitation. 50 to 100 people can easily work. I
> think there are lot smaller open source projects written by many of
> us. Not everyone needs to contribute to Django, Flask, Python 3. I
> think it is good idea to start and improve the quality later.

[...]

My gut feel is that a buildup is necessary before sprinting. Holding it
somehow after the conference would be better no? The workshops are
usually a low energy part of the conference.


-- 
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Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 15 11:25:00 2014
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:55:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 15 October 2014 14:34, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:

> I think there are lot smaller open source projects written by many of us.
> Not everyone needs to contribute to Django, Flask, Python 3. I think it is
> good idea to start and improve the quality later.
>
>>
+1. This approach is the stepping stone for creating  larger upstream
developer community.
- sree


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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 11:25:57 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:55:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Oct 15, 2014 2:54 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > Having workshop on first day helps in sorting lots of logistics issues
> > for next day. We can have sprints on the first day in first
> > floor. There is space limitation. 50 to 100 people can easily work. I
> > think there are lot smaller open source projects written by many of
> > us. Not everyone needs to contribute to Django, Flask, Python 3. I
> > think it is good idea to start and improve the quality later.
>
> [...]
>
> My gut feel is that a buildup is necessary before sprinting. Holding it
> somehow after the conference would be better no? The workshops are

I also feel that way.

> usually a low energy part of the conference.
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 11:32:36 2014
From: abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com (Abhaya Agarwal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:02:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Having workshop on first day helps in sorting lots of logistics issues
> > for next day. We can have sprints on the first day in first
> > floor. There is space limitation. 50 to 100 people can easily work. I
> > think there are lot smaller open source projects written by many of
> > us. Not everyone needs to contribute to Django, Flask, Python 3. I
> > think it is good idea to start and improve the quality later.
>
> [...]
>
> My gut feel is that a buildup is necessary before sprinting. Holding it
> somehow after the conference would be better no? The workshops are
> usually a low energy part of the conference.
>

But that would mean moving the conference days to Friday-Saturday making it
harder for many to attend the first day.

Regards,
Abhaya
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 11:48:12 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:18:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Abhaya Agarwal wrote:


[...]

> But that would mean moving the conference days to Friday-Saturday making it
> harder for many to attend the first day.

[...]

Yup. Can't have it all. 

In one way, this is a good thing. One thing about PyCon India is that
it's very easy to attend. It's usually on a weekend, the prices are low,
the food is good, the swag is nice. 

The result is that it attracts a huge crowd. Just statistically, the
number of people who don't particularly care but just "drop by" will be
high.

Now imagine if there were a bar. If it was costly or the days were
inconvenient or something else, that automatically acts as a filter, the
"don't care much" crowd will drop saying things like "too costly" or
"not worth a leave" or something similar. *Most* of the passionate
people will still make it and that will improve the audience quality and
reduce the quantity. This makes for a more manageable conference which
is more beneficial to the people that actually attend. 

People who crib about a ticket costing a few hundred rupees and not
being able to expense it for some reason will simply stay away and that
will, I think, make for a better conference. 

I'm probably in the minority here but I genuinely think we should try to
change the event to attract a smaller of number of
good/passionate/talented/experienced people rather than a large number
of people who simply drop by. The latter might have been a good idea
back in the day but now with local user groups and python express, I
don't think it's necessary any more. 


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 12:21:03 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:51:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> I'm probably in the minority here but I genuinely think we should try to
> change the event to attract a smaller of number of
> good/passionate/talented/experienced people rather than a large number
> of people who simply drop by. The latter might have been a good idea
> back in the day but now with local user groups and python express, I
> don't think it's necessary any more.



?This. Word.?
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From abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 12:38:21 2014
From: abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com (Abhaya Agarwal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:08:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> > wrote:
>
>> I'm probably in the minority here but I genuinely think we should try to
>> change the event to attract a smaller of number of
>> good/passionate/talented/experienced people rather than a large number
>> of people who simply drop by. The latter might have been a good idea
>> back in the day but now with local user groups and python express, I
>> don't think it's necessary any more.
>
>
>
> ?This. Word.?
>

+1 but we need to be wary of the criteria we employ. Taking an extreme
example, disallowing students would also reduce the number of first timers
and beginners significantly but it is not a good criteria to use (not to
mention impossible to enforce).

The conference has two sets of people - presenters and audience. An
experienced/advanced presenters would want a matching audience that can
provide feedback. But this expectation is not hampered by the presence of
inexperienced audience, only by the absence of experienced ones.

The impression of the conference is formed primarily by the presenters.
Complaint about the Pycon has not been that people didn't meet other
interesting people. Complaint is that the talks were lacking.

So I think we should be raising the bar for the presenters. Which will in
turn lead to self selection of audience as well (with a delay of one year).

Also the correlation between a passionate Python user and the fact that he
can make it to a conference on Friday is tenuous at best. :)

Regards,
Abhaya
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 12:50:51 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:20:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Abhaya Agarwal wrote:


[...]

> +1 but we need to be wary of the criteria we employ. Taking an extreme
> example, disallowing students would also reduce the number of first timers
> and beginners significantly but it is not a good criteria to use (not to
> mention impossible to enforce).

I'm completely against setting criteria for an audience. I'm saying we
structure it so that it attracts people of a certain kind. 

> The conference has two sets of people - presenters and audience. An
> experienced/advanced presenters would want a matching audience that
> can provide feedback. But this expectation is not hampered by the
> presence of inexperienced audience, only by the absence of experienced
> ones.

Valid point. 


> The impression of the conference is formed primarily by the presenters.
> Complaint about the Pycon has not been that people didn't meet other
> interesting people. Complaint is that the talks were lacking.
>
> So I think we should be raising the bar for the presenters. Which will
> in turn lead to self selection of audience as well (with a delay of
> one year).

Yes. That was the gist of my earlier email. To atleast try, for a year,
to make it a conference for serious users of Python rather than a
gathering of first timers whose needs, and I mention this again, are
better served by first timer workshops like the ones by in Python express.

> Also the correlation between a passionate Python user and the fact
> that he can make it to a conference on Friday is tenuous at best. :)

If there's a solid event whose date/price is inconvenient for me, I'd
make plans early to attend. If it's cheap (price and quality wise), I'd
be fine missing it. That was my point.


[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 12:55:22 2014
From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:25:22 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Abhaya Agarwal
<abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV
>> <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm probably in the minority here but I genuinely think we should try to
>>> change the event to attract a smaller of number of
>>> good/passionate/talented/experienced people rather than a large number
>>> of people who simply drop by. The latter might have been a good idea
>>> back in the day but now with local user groups and python express, I
>>> don't think it's necessary any more.
>>
>>
>>
>> This. Word.
>
>
> +1 but we need to be wary of the criteria we employ. Taking an extreme
> example, disallowing students would also reduce the number of first timers
> and beginners significantly but it is not a good criteria to use (not to
> mention impossible to enforce).

I would be wary and disappointed if PSSI were to attempt and create a
"criteria for inclusion". I have stated (elsewhere) that PSSI would
need to decide on the nature of the conference. Such a decision would
drive the content and other associated involvement.

Students, first-time participants and everyone else should feel
equally welcome at the conference. The content of the conference does
not necessarily have to cater to everyone.

> The conference has two sets of people - presenters and audience. An
> experienced/advanced presenters would want a matching audience that can
> provide feedback. But this expectation is not hampered by the presence of
> inexperienced audience, only by the absence of experienced ones.

During conversations with various individuals at the conference I had
suggested that it would be demanded that presenters set a higher bar
than it currently is. And a way to nudge that towards reality is
having the content editing team set well defined aspirations.

> The impression of the conference is formed primarily by the presenters.
> Complaint about the Pycon has not been that people didn't meet other
> interesting people. Complaint is that the talks were lacking.

At some level this would mean that the audience is already competent
enough to (i) judge which talks were 'lacking' in a level of detail
and (ii) a significant number of the audience is
experienced/competent.

I am not sure that both of the above are correct. However, I do think
that with a 1200+ committed audience, the PSSI is in a position of
strength to try and do new things.

> So I think we should be raising the bar for the presenters. Which will in
> turn lead to self selection of audience as well (with a delay of one year).

And then the question is - what is the path to raising the bar, who
will drive it and how does it get measured to have an impact.

-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 12:56:26 2014
From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:26:26 +0530
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV
<noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> To atleast try, for a year,
> to make it a conference for serious users of Python rather than a
> gathering of first timers whose needs, and I mention this again, are
> better served by first timer workshops like the ones by in Python express

What is the scope, aims and goals of Python Express? What is PSSI's
involvement and commitment to the success of Python Express?


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 12:59:48 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:29:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, sankarshan wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV
> <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>> To atleast try, for a year, to make it a conference for serious users
>> of Python rather than a gathering of first timers whose needs, and I
>> mention this again, are better served by first timer workshops like
>> the ones by in Python express
>
> What is the scope, aims and goals of Python Express? What is PSSI's
> involvement and commitment to the success of Python Express?

My understanding, and I might be wrong, is that it's Python Month
(workshops) for the year round along with software to make things easy.




-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 15 13:02:12 2014
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:32:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 15 October 2014 16:26, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:

> What is the scope, aims and goals of Python Express?
>

http://www.pythonexpress.in/about


> What is PSSI's
> involvement and commitment to the success of Python Express?
>

Its no different from how PSSI gets involved for PyCon India afaik.
Volunteers come together and run the Python Express. PSSI will provide
institutional support as and when possible. This could be either funding
support(based on availability) or institutional backing when required.
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From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:03:22 2014
From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:33:22 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:51 PM, Kushal Das <kushaldas at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am the co-ordinator for the development sprint days in PyCon US. The
> biggest problem for doing similar level of sprints is the lack of
> upstream project/developers in the conference. We need more developers
> from upstream projects to participate for this and I do know we have a
> few of them in the conference.

That is one way to look at the bottle-neck. The other way is to see
if, with the available number of developers, a plan for development
sprints can be put together at least a month before the actual
conference days. And one could, in theory, nudge the sponsors to
invest time/effort in this.


-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:06:24 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:36:24 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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>
>
>>
> Its no different from how PSSI gets involved for PyCon India afaik.
> Volunteers come together and run the Python Express. PSSI will provide
> institutional support as and when possible. This could be either funding
> support(based on availability) or institutional backing when required.
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>
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From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:06:57 2014
From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:36:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah <sree at mahiti.org> wrote:
>
> On 15 October 2014 16:26, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is the scope, aims and goals of Python Express?
>
>
> http://www.pythonexpress.in/about

Thank you. I was not aware of the site when I was at PyCon India. My
request would be to set out the expectations from trainers and
organizations without requiring a sign-up. For example, "If you are
interested in organizing a Python workshop, sign up as an
organization/institution on the Python Express website." - is this
limited to an educational institute or, any form of organization etc

>> What is PSSI's
>> involvement and commitment to the success of Python Express?
>
>
> Its no different from how PSSI gets involved for PyCon India afaik.
> Volunteers come together and run the Python Express. PSSI will provide
> institutional support as and when possible. This could be either funding
> support(based on availability) or institutional backing when required.

And again, please consider putting in a form of the above statement on
the URL above.



-- 
sankarshan mukhopadhyay
<https://twitter.com/#!/sankarshan>

From anandpillai at letterboxes.org  Wed Oct 15 13:14:46 2014
From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:44:46 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wednesday 15 October 2014 04:20 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Abhaya Agarwal wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
>> +1 but we need to be wary of the criteria we employ. Taking an
>> extreme example, disallowing students would also reduce the
>> number of first timers and beginners significantly but it is not
>> a good criteria to use (not to mention impossible to enforce).
> 
> I'm completely against setting criteria for an audience. I'm saying
> we structure it so that it attracts people of a certain kind.

I don't think we should structure it so as to attract only the
"experienced" people - the cream if you prefer. Then it would be
possibly not a complete community conference - but a conference only
for the community experts.

IMO, we should cater to all levels of audience - Rank newbies, Python
rookies, journeymen and masters should find something interesting to
listen to and talk about.

In short, I don't believe in this philosophy of "raising the level
every year". This is wrong. It should be about being more inclusive
every year - having the right mix of talks to attract a varied audience.


> 
> 
>> The impression of the conference is formed primarily by the
>> presenters. Complaint about the Pycon has not been that people
>> didn't meet other interesting people. Complaint is that the talks
>> were lacking.
>> 
>> So I think we should be raising the bar for the presenters. Which
>> will in turn lead to self selection of audience as well (with a
>> delay of one year).

When one says "raising the bar", I think there is a tendency to
confuse it with "complex topics". I don't think this is the case. For
example, there might be interesting things to talk about even in the
Python core library in PyCon - so if someone proposes an interesting
talk on say this topic - it could be looked into considering other
aspects and not thrown away just cuz it looks commonplace.

I personally felt this confusion was present in this year's talk
selection.

> 
> Yes. That was the gist of my earlier email. To atleast try, for a
> year, to make it a conference for serious users of Python rather
> than a gathering of first timers whose needs, and I mention this
> again, are better served by first timer workshops like the ones by
> in Python express.

Again, I don't think so. We cannot classify audience as people who
should attend Python Express as newbies and not PyCon India. That way
we seem to be implicitly creating a kind of caste system for audience
and slotting them to neat categories of "this unsophisticated guy for
Python Express" and "this super expert for PyCon India".

I think anyone who is having fun with Python is welcome to PyCon India.
Being serious with it is a personal matter.

However, I agree we need to improve the conference "recall" - the
stickiness of people who attend it to feel coming back for next year.
And not just because of the Food ;)


> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> 


- -- 
Regards,

- --Anand

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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 13:25:48 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:55:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:36 PM, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Thank you. I was not aware of the site when I was at PyCon India. My
> request would be to set out the expectations from trainers and
> organizations without requiring a sign-up. For example, "If you are
> interested in organizing a Python workshop, sign up as an
> organization/institution on the Python Express website." - is this
> limited to an educational institute or, any form of organization etc
>
> >> What is PSSI's
> >> involvement and commitment to the success of Python Express?
> >
> >
> > Its no different from how PSSI gets involved for PyCon India afaik.
> > Volunteers come together and run the Python Express. PSSI will provide
> > institutional support as and when possible. This could be either funding
> > support(based on availability) or institutional backing when required.
>
> And again, please consider putting in a form of the above statement on
> the URL above.


?I'd stuck this About page in there based on something Haris had written
up, and it could use the mods you are suggesting.

https://github.com/anandology/broadgauge/pull/72

Feel free to modify and send a PR.

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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 13:36:00 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:06:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Anand B Pillai <anandpillai at letterboxes.org
> wrote:


> every year". This is wrong. It should be about being more inclusive
> every year - having the right mix of talks to attract a varied audience.


?The challenge is that I dont see the conference currently becoming more
inclusive every year. I could be wrong, but from what I see, certain groups
are dropping off and it's now mostly beginners. 80% of the audience raised
their hands during the keynote to say they were attending for the first
time. ?And I also didnt the large number of students who attended in 2013
return this year. I think definitions of inclusive may vary, but to do that
we need to make deliberate choices to provide for the target audience that
we care about. I dont think anyone wants to exclude beginners. However,
we're talking about moving from the current ratio of 10:10:80
(expert:intermediate:beginner) to maybe (20:30:50). The rank beginners to
Python would also be welcome, but urged to instead attend pyexpress.

When one says "raising the bar", I think there is a tendency to
> confuse it with "complex topics". I don't think this is the case. For
> example, there might be interesting things to talk about even in the
> Python core library in PyCon - so if someone proposes an interesting
> talk on say this topic - it could be looked into considering other
> aspects and not thrown away just cuz it looks commonplace.
>
> I personally felt this confusion was present in this year's talk
> selection.
>


I agree with you, but I didnt think this was the case this year. I felt
that the talk selection committee looked out for topics that were original
even if they were not complex. As an example, we had talks like Medusa from
a college kid that were popular and good examples of work that was unique
but not complex. So, I'm curious now - could you provide more specifics? ?


> However, I agree we need to improve the conference "recall" - the
> stickiness of people who attend it to feel coming back for next year.
> And not just because of the Food ;)
>


?Yes :) Good food is good, but if that's what people remember a conference
for, we're missing something :)
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 13:39:49 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:09:49 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Anand B Pillai wrote:


[...]

> I don't think we should structure it so as to attract only the
> "experienced" people - the cream if you prefer. Then it would be
> possibly not a complete community conference - but a conference only
> for the community experts.

I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying we should structure it to
attract an experts only audience. 

I'm saying that we should raise the bar in two ways. 

   1. Exclude first time speakers and introductory talks by people who
      have no real world experience with the topic. This improves the
      speakers.

   2. Structure the conference (date, time, days, price etc.) in a way
      that dissuades disinterested people from attending. Only serious
      (though not necessarily experienced) people will come. This
      improves the audience.

> IMO, we should cater to all levels of audience - Rank newbies, Python
> rookies, journeymen and masters should find something interesting to
> listen to and talk about.

I'm contesting the use of the word "cater" here. I'm fine with an
introductory talk being given by someone who's used the technology in
question heavily and knows it's ins and outs.

I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*. 

Try to please everyone will, I think, mean that we will please no
one. In the best case, we'll please the casual newbies who might get a
kick out of listening to an "flask for newbies" talk and going home with
a new T-shirt never to touch Python again. 

> In short, I don't believe in this philosophy of "raising the level
> every year". This is wrong. It should be about being more inclusive
> every year - having the right mix of talks to attract a varied
> audience.

I'm on the other end. I think the conference should improve quality wise
and we should diversify (e.g. Python express) so that first timers who
want to learn the basics have other ways of getting what they want.

Even for first timers, it's a good deal. They won't benefit at all from
a 30 minute "intro to foo" talk. They (or atleast the motivated ones)
will however benefit from experienced people talking about topics above
their level.



[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:57:23 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:27:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy <arvi at alumni.iastate.edu>
wrote:

>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:44 PM, Anand B Pillai <
> anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote:
>
>
>> every year". This is wrong. It should be about being more inclusive
>> every year - having the right mix of talks to attract a varied audience.
>
>
> ?The challenge is that I dont see the conference currently becoming more
> inclusive every year. I could be wrong, but from what I see, certain groups
> are dropping off and it's now mostly beginners. 80% of the audience raised
> their hands during the keynote to say they were attending for the first
> time. ?And I also didnt the large number of students who attended in 2013
> return this year. I think definitions of inclusive may vary, but to do that
> we need to make deliberate choices to provide for the target audience that
> we care about. I dont think anyone wants to exclude beginners. However,
> we're talking about moving from the current ratio of 10:10:80
> (expert:intermediate:beginner) to maybe (20:30:50). The rank beginners to
> Python would also be welcome, but urged to instead attend pyexpress.
>
>
 Just to give stats of this year
   Software Engineer(2-4 years) : 40% ,  Student: 18% , Senior
engineer(more than 4 years: 22%  other: 20%
 Which means more than 60% of them were experience people and many were
first timers.
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From abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:27:39 2014
From: abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com (Abhaya Agarwal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:57:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:25 PM, sankarshan <foss.mailinglists at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:08 PM, Abhaya Agarwal
> <abhaya.agarwal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > +1 but we need to be wary of the criteria we employ. Taking an extreme
> > example, disallowing students would also reduce the number of first
> timers
> > and beginners significantly but it is not a good criteria to use (not to
> > mention impossible to enforce).
>
> I would be wary and disappointed if PSSI were to attempt and create a
> "criteria for inclusion". I have stated (elsewhere) that PSSI would
> need to decide on the nature of the conference. Such a decision would
> drive the content and other associated involvement.
>
> Students, first-time participants and everyone else should feel
> equally welcome at the conference. The content of the conference does
> not necessarily have to cater to everyone.
>

Absolutely agree. Bad choice of words on my part. I was referring to the
implicit criteria like increased ticket price, holding the conference on
weekdays etc and arguing against them. The direction of the conference
should be controlled via the content only.

> So I think we should be raising the bar for the presenters. Which will in
> > turn lead to self selection of audience as well (with a delay of one
> year).
>
> And then the question is - what is the path to raising the bar, who
> will drive it


Two ideas I have: 1) Invited talks (other than keynotes) 2) Tracks with
specific focus (ex: Python and computer science)


> and how does it get measured to have an impact.
>

A good yardstick is crucial. Even the current discussion is guided the
vague impressions we have - our own and of those we spoke to.

While we can strive to make sure that all talks are well delivered, making
all talks interesting to majority is a lost cause. As a corollary,
aggregated feedback on individual talks is not likely to be informative.

Personally, if I find 2-3 good talks over 2 days (judged based on my
personal interest) combined with couple of other interesting conversations
offline, I consider that time well spent. I am not sure how to codify this
and collect similar data from a big enough sample of participants.

Regards,
Abhaya
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From blucalvin at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:32:29 2014
From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:02:29 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 15 Oct 2014 12:39, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Anand B Pillai wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I don't think we should structure it so as to attract only the
> > "experienced" people - the cream if you prefer. Then it would be
> > possibly not a complete community conference - but a conference only
> > for the community experts.
>
> I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying we should structure it to
> attract an experts only audience.
>
> I'm saying that we should raise the bar in two ways.
>
>    1. Exclude first time speakers and introductory talks by people who
>       have no real world experience with the topic. This improves the
>       speakers.
>
>    2. Structure the conference (date, time, days, price etc.) in a way
>       that dissuades disinterested people from attending. Only serious
>       (though not necessarily experienced) people will come. This
>       improves the audience.
>
> > IMO, we should cater to all levels of audience - Rank newbies, Python
> > rookies, journeymen and masters should find something interesting to
> > listen to and talk about.
>
> I'm contesting the use of the word "cater" here. I'm fine with an
> introductory talk being given by someone who's used the technology in
> question heavily and knows it's ins and outs.
>
> I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.

I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers don't
sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.

Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
person would have presentation skills as well.

Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
including Pycon US.

There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At some
point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)

>
> Try to please everyone will, I think, mean that we will please no
> one. In the best case, we'll please the casual newbies who might get a
> kick out of listening to an "flask for newbies" talk and going home with
> a new T-shirt never to touch Python again.
>
> > In short, I don't believe in this philosophy of "raising the level
> > every year". This is wrong. It should be about being more inclusive
> > every year - having the right mix of talks to attract a varied
> > audience.
>
> I'm on the other end. I think the conference should improve quality wise
> and we should diversify (e.g. Python express) so that first timers who
> want to learn the basics have other ways of getting what they want.
>
> Even for first timers, it's a good deal. They won't benefit at all from
> a 30 minute "intro to foo" talk. They (or atleast the motivated ones)
> will however benefit from experienced people talking about topics above
> their level.
>
>
>
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 15:26:05 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:56:05 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 10/15/2014 02:26 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:
>
>
>
> We are planning for sprint as part of BangPypers in december. Dates 
> and venue is not finalized.
>

Maybe we can ask the other local user groups to do the same by Q1 or Q2 
of next year and then continue the sprints during 3 days of the event on 
the first floor?

From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 15:18:27 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:48:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On 10/15/2014 12:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
>> The date Oct 2-4 is fine. But can we explore other venues a little
>> please? This year Audi 2 was majorly overflown and people had to stand
>> at the door, a lot of them couldn't even enter the room. We may or may
>> not have the same number of participants next year. But we should be
>> prepared at least.
> It might be a good idea to simply restrict the maximum number of
> participants (and talks).

This year we kept the ticket slot expanding till the last moment. I'd 
say let's not do that next time. Let's fix it to 1000 participants and 
no more. I only have the request to check out IISc as a venue and 
compare it with NIMHANS before booking. Couple of people suggested it to 
me during PyCon.

From kushaldas at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 15:34:53 2014
From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:04:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>
>
>
> This year we kept the ticket slot expanding till the last moment. I'd say
> let's not do that next time. Let's fix it to 1000 participants and no more.
> I only have the request to check out IISc as a venue and compare it with
> NIMHANS before booking. Couple of people suggested it to me during PyCon.
We used to have foss.in in IISC and it moved to NIMHANS. We found
NIMHANS as a better place for a large conference like this.

Kushal
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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 15:35:51 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:05:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On 10/15/2014 07:04 PM, Kushal Das wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>>
>>
>> This year we kept the ticket slot expanding till the last moment. I'd say
>> let's not do that next time. Let's fix it to 1000 participants and no more.
>> I only have the request to check out IISc as a venue and compare it with
>> NIMHANS before booking. Couple of people suggested it to me during PyCon.
> We used to have foss.in in IISC and it moved to NIMHANS. We found
> NIMHANS as a better place for a large conference like this.

Oh. Then it's fine I guess. NIMHANS again.


From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 15:51:48 2014
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:21:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com> wrote:
>     2) Oct 2-4 2015

?+1 from me as well. Sounds good. But we'll have to announce this in
advance to make sure arrangements for travel can be made. Lots of people
would be travelling in and out during this time?.
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From gaurav.dadhania at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 15:56:54 2014
From: gaurav.dadhania at gmail.com (Gaurav Dadhania)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:26:54 +0530
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

>
> The date Oct 2-4 is fine. But can we explore other venues a little please?
> This year Audi 2 was majorly overflown and people had to stand at the door,
> a lot of them couldn't even enter the room. We may or may not have the same
> number of participants next year. But we should be prepared at least.
>
>  We can explore having 3 simultaneous tracks for talks.
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From sree at mahiti.org  Wed Oct 15 15:55:05 2014
From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:25:05 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On 15 October 2014 19:21, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 12:02 PM, vijay kumar <vnbang2003 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >     2) Oct 2-4 2015
>

+1.
Sree


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From me at kracekumar.com  Wed Oct 15 15:34:36 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:04:36 +0530
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On Oct 15, 2014 6:56 PM, "Bibhas" <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>
>
> On 10/15/2014 02:26 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We are planning for sprint as part of BangPypers in december. Dates and
venue is not finalized.
>>
>
> Maybe we can ask the other local user groups to do the same by Q1 or Q2
of next year and then continue the sprints during 3 days of the event on
the first floor?
>

I would say one day sprint not three days.
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From me at bibhas.in  Wed Oct 15 16:06:21 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:36:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 10/15/2014 07:04 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2014 6:56 PM, "Bibhas" <me at bibhas.in <mailto:me at bibhas.in>> 
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/15/2014 02:26 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We are planning for sprint as part of BangPypers in december. Dates 
> and venue is not finalized.
> >>
> >
> > Maybe we can ask the other local user groups to do the same by Q1 or 
> Q2 of next year and then continue the sprints during 3 days of the 
> event on the first floor?
> >
>
> I would say one day sprint not three days.
>

Day 2 of conference?

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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 16:24:13 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:54:13 +0530
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. <blucalvin at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On 15 Oct 2014 12:39, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> >
> >    1. Exclude first time speakers and introductory talks by people who
> >       have no real world experience with the topic. This improves the
> >       speakers.
>
> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers don't
> sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
>
> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> person would have presentation skills as well.
>
> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> including Pycon US.
>
> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At some
> point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
>

I think we had 4-5 first time speakers this year, and there were at least
?2 that were well received. One of them was a student. As Noufal has
mentioned in his point #1, as long as the first time speaker has real world
experience with a topic and is credible, I dont see an issue. They gain a
spot on the schedule entirely on the merit of their content, and their age,
experience, or where they come from are not a factor.
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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:06:51 2014
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:36:51 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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  [...]

> > I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.
>
> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers don't
> sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
>
> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> person would have presentation skills as well.
>
> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> including Pycon US.
>
> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At some
> point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
>
New speaker are welcome, but not first time speakers. There are other
venues like user group meetings etc to practice speaking for first timers.

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From anandology at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:14:00 2014
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:44:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
In-Reply-To: <543E7423.1030706@bibhas.in>
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

>
> On 10/15/2014 12:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>  The date Oct 2-4 is fine. But can we explore other venues a little
>>> please? This year Audi 2 was majorly overflown and people had to stand
>>> at the door, a lot of them couldn't even enter the room. We may or may
>>> not have the same number of participants next year. But we should be
>>> prepared at least.
>>>
>> It might be a good idea to simply restrict the maximum number of
>> participants (and talks).
>>
>
> This year we kept the ticket slot expanding till the last moment. I'd say
> let's not do that next time. Let's fix it to 1000 participants and no more.
> I only have the request to check out IISc as a venue and compare it with
> NIMHANS before booking. Couple of people suggested it to me during PyCon.


I guess you are taking about JN Tata auditorium in IISc Campus. Not sure if
it is any better than NIMHANS.

I heard that MLR whitefield has 2 auditoriums of roughly equal size. That
might be worth exploring.

The small audi 2 issue can also be solved by improving the talk schedule.
We could ask all the participants to pick the slots that they are
interested in and use that info to schedule the talks.

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From me at kracekumar.com  Wed Oct 15 17:38:12 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:08:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Oct 15, 2014 8:51 PM, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 6:48 PM, Bibhas <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 10/15/2014 12:59 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Bibhas wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> The date Oct 2-4 is fine. But can we explore other venues a little
>>>> please? This year Audi 2 was majorly overflown and people had to stand
>>>> at the door, a lot of them couldn't even enter the room. We may or may
>>>> not have the same number of participants next year. But we should be
>>>> prepared at least.
>>>
>>> It might be a good idea to simply restrict the maximum number of
>>> participants (and talks).
>>
>>
>> This year we kept the ticket slot expanding till the last moment. I'd
say let's not do that next time. Let's fix it to 1000 participants and no
more. I only have the request to check out IISc as a venue and compare it
with NIMHANS before booking. Couple of people suggested it to me during
PyCon.
>
>
> I guess you are taking about JN Tata auditorium in IISc Campus. Not sure
if it is any better than NIMHANS.
>
> I heard that MLR whitefield has 2 auditoriums of roughly equal size. That
might be worth exploring.

Not really. AFAIK Audi has capacity around 700 and banquet hall capacity is
around 200 - 300.

The Audi 1 is in first floor and hall is in ground floor.

> The small audi 2 issue can also be solved by improving the talk schedule.
We could ask all the participants to pick the slots that they are
interested in and use that info to schedule the talks.
>
> Anand
>
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Wed Oct 15 17:45:45 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:15:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com>
wrote:

> I heard that MLR whitefield has 2 auditoriums of roughly equal size. That
> might be worth exploring.
>

The MLR Whitefield space is pretty impressive, and is more modern than
Nimhans. However, it's really one large audi (bigger and nicer than the
Nimhans main audi - holds 800+)?. The lower area is a banquet dining hall
(holds 300+ depending on table layouts) whose acoustics are not great, but
was used for a 2nd track at Droidcon. There's a couple of smaller rooms
(can fit 50+ people) nearby that work well for open spaces and smaller
discussions. One nice thing about this venue is that since things are
multi-level, everything feels closer to each other compared to Nimhans. On
the other hand, not sure how well it'll scale up to the crowds we had this
year (not an issue if we cap ticketing at 1000).
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From rcyriac at redhat.com  Wed Oct 15 18:02:00 2014
From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:32:00 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On 10/15/2014 09:15 PM, Arvi Krishnaswamy wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 8:44 PM, Anand Chitipothu <anandology at gmail.com
> <mailto:anandology at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     I heard that MLR whitefield has 2 auditoriums of roughly equal size.
>     That might be worth exploring. 
> 
> 
> The MLR Whitefield space is pretty impressive, and is more modern than
> Nimhans. However, it's really one large audi (bigger and nicer than the
> Nimhans main audi - holds 800+)?. The lower area is a banquet dining
> hall (holds 300+ depending on table layouts) whose acoustics are not
> great, but was used for a 2nd track at Droidcon. There's a couple of
> smaller rooms (can fit 50+ people) nearby that work well for open spaces
> and smaller discussions. One nice thing about this venue is that since
> things are multi-level, everything feels closer to each other compared
> to Nimhans. On the other hand, not sure how well it'll scale up to the
> crowds we had this year (not an issue if we cap ticketing at 1000).
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
> 
I am totally unimpressed with the MLR Whitefield space. In my opinion,
it only pretends to be modern, but does not provide enough facilities as
expected. :-)

It might be okay for conferences with just one or two tracks, and pure
business audiences. PyCon needs a lot more space than a couple of
auditoriums, for the side-track events that happen, and the interactions
among participants.

The NIMHANS location has much better parking facility, and the NIMHANS
location is more convenient for commuting to as well.

-- 
Regards,

Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 19:37:21 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:07:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Gaurav Dadhania wrote:


[...]

>>  We can explore having 3 simultaneous tracks for talks.

[...]

Or simply reduce the number of talks. 
-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Wed Oct 15 19:43:13 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 23:13:13 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote:


[...]

> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
> don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at
> it.

Of course. I'm just saying that an annual conference shouldn't be the
place for them to start or, even worse, practice their speaking
skills. User group meetings, smaller conferences etc. are all fine.

Besides, we've been running in the current way for quite a few years and
still have complaints about talk quality. I think a different approach
is justified, even if only as an experiment.

> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> person would have presentation skills as well.

That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation
skills talking about something they don't know in depth.

Also, a talk by an experienced speaker will open the way to an
interesting Q/A or even a good open space. 

> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> including Pycon US.

Fair enough. I'm saying we should try it for a year or two in a
different way and see if it's better. My gut feel is that this kind of
approach will make it a smaller but higher quality conference.

> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At
> some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)

User group meetings, smaller one day conferences, attending workshops,
teaching workshops. All of these are there. I don't understand the
reasoning behind allowing first timers to speak at the premium
conference which is held just once a year.

[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From anuvrat at anuvrat.in  Wed Oct 15 20:56:45 2014
From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 00:26:45 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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+1 for oct 2 - 4.
Nimhans is good enough.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV
<noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Gaurav Dadhania wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
>>>  We can explore having 3 simultaneous tracks for talks.
>
> [...]
>
> Or simply reduce the number of talks.
> --

+1
for less number of high quality talks.

[open spaces]
There were some discussions about having more (in number and more
organized) open spaces ... and Nimhans seems to have a lot of room for
that.

Regards.
-- 
Anuvrat Parashar
http;//anuvrat.in

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 06:20:48 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:50:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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> I think we all need to take one step at a time.
>>
> Let book venue and get website up .
For dev sprint and other activity i would request to plan with few
volunteer offline share plan with all and take it forward.

Note:
Share plan one month before conference day or before schedule is finalized
so everyone can plan accordingly.
nihmans first floor doesn't have AC or it doesn't work so plan accordingly.







-- 
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Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:36:20 +0530
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On 10/15/2014 06:02 PM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote:
> 
> On 15 Oct 2014 12:39, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in
> <mailto:noufal at nibrahim.net.in>> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Anand B Pillai wrote:
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > I don't think we should structure it so as to attract only the
>> > "experienced" people - the cream if you prefer. Then it would be
>> > possibly not a complete community conference - but a conference only
>> > for the community experts.
>>
>> I think you misunderstand. I'm not saying we should structure it to
>> attract an experts only audience.
>>
>> I'm saying that we should raise the bar in two ways.
>>
>>    1. Exclude first time speakers and introductory talks by people who
>>       have no real world experience with the topic. This improves the
>>       speakers.
>>
>>    2. Structure the conference (date, time, days, price etc.) in a way
>>       that dissuades disinterested people from attending. Only serious
>>       (though not necessarily experienced) people will come. This
>>       improves the audience.
>>
>> > IMO, we should cater to all levels of audience - Rank newbies, Python
>> > rookies, journeymen and masters should find something interesting to
>> > listen to and talk about.
>>
>> I'm contesting the use of the word "cater" here. I'm fine with an
>> introductory talk being given by someone who's used the technology in
>> question heavily and knows it's ins and outs.
>>
>> I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.
> 
> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers don't
> sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
> 
> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> person would have presentation skills as well.
> 
> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> including Pycon US.
> 
> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At some
> point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
> 
+1

Discouraging first-time speakers is a very negative, selfish, and
self-destructive path to follow. Open source is all about inclusiveness.
Competitive we can strive to be, but not exclusive.

- rejy (rmc)

>>
>> Try to please everyone will, I think, mean that we will please no
>> one. In the best case, we'll please the casual newbies who might get a
>> kick out of listening to an "flask for newbies" talk and going home with
>> a new T-shirt never to touch Python again.
>>
>> > In short, I don't believe in this philosophy of "raising the level
>> > every year". This is wrong. It should be about being more inclusive
>> > every year - having the right mix of talks to attract a varied
>> > audience.
>>
>> I'm on the other end. I think the conference should improve quality wise
>> and we should diversify (e.g. Python express) so that first timers who
>> want to learn the basics have other ways of getting what they want.
>>
>> Even for first timers, it's a good deal. They won't benefit at all from
>> a 30 minute "intro to foo" talk. They (or atleast the motivated ones)
>> will however benefit from experienced people talking about topics above
>> their level.
>>
>>
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> --
>> Cordially,
>> Noufal
>> http://nibrahim.net.in
>> _______________________________________________
<snip>

From rcyriac at redhat.com  Thu Oct 16 07:12:15 2014
From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:42:15 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 10/15/2014 11:13 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
>> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
>> don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at
>> it.
> 
> Of course. I'm just saying that an annual conference shouldn't be the
> place for them to start or, even worse, practice their speaking
> skills. User group meetings, smaller conferences etc. are all fine.
> 
> Besides, we've been running in the current way for quite a few years and
> still have complaints about talk quality. I think a different approach
> is justified, even if only as an experiment.
> 
>> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
>> person would have presentation skills as well.
> 
> That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation
> skills talking about something they don't know in depth.
> 
-1

Engaging the audience is vital for a talk to be well accepted.


> Also, a talk by an experienced speaker will open the way to an
> interesting Q/A or even a good open space. 
> 
>> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
>> including Pycon US.
> 
> Fair enough. I'm saying we should try it for a year or two in a
> different way and see if it's better. My gut feel is that this kind of
> approach will make it a smaller but higher quality conference.
> 
>> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At
>> some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
> 
> User group meetings, smaller one day conferences, attending workshops,
> teaching workshops. All of these are there. I don't understand the
> reasoning behind allowing first timers to speak at the premium
> conference which is held just once a year.
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
How would we go about verifying this ? Ask for participation
certificates from the local user group ? Ensuring the speaker selection
process is based on merit of the topic, quality of content, and
presentation skills of the presenter should be enough, rather than put
up hard filters to keep out folks.

-- 
Regards,

Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)

From blucalvin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 07:27:08 2014
From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 10:57:08 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 15 Oct 2014 19:42, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> > I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
> > don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at
> > it.
>
> Of course. I'm just saying that an annual conference shouldn't be the
> place for them to start or, even worse, practice their speaking
> skills. User group meetings, smaller conferences etc. are all fine.
>
> Besides, we've been running in the current way for quite a few years and
> still have complaints about talk quality. I think a different approach
> is justified, even if only as an experiment.
>
> > Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> > person would have presentation skills as well.
>
> That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation
> skills talking about something they don't know in depth.
>
> Also, a talk by an experienced speaker will open the way to an
> interesting Q/A or even a good open space.
>
> > Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> > including Pycon US.
>
> Fair enough. I'm saying we should try it for a year or two in a
> different way and see if it's better. My gut feel is that this kind of
> approach will make it a smaller but higher quality conference.
>
> > There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At
> > some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
>
> User group meetings, smaller one day conferences, attending workshops,
> teaching workshops. All of these are there. I don't understand the
> reasoning behind allowing first timers to speak at the premium
> conference which is held just once a year.

Unless you, or at least the community as a whole is active about making
sure that first time speakers have an avenue at all those places mentioned
above, don't be too active in excluding them from a place they are, and
have been welcomed over the years, all over the world, including India. To
do so would be equivalent to destroying the community in the long run.

The different avenues that you mentioned earlier don't happen magically
either. Most of it is volunteer driven and they will only happen if someone
sacrifices his/her time to make it happen.

Also, I am positive that no one on this mailing list who support your view,
can guarantee that the organizers of those avenues won't have a mindset
like yours.

If a fisrt time speaker gets rejected at those avenues, can he approach
anyone saying he was denied the opportunity?

If not, as I said, the community will wither and die over the long run.
Don't do that. "Premium conference" and all is fine. But not at the cost of
excluding anyone who has even the slightest of interest.

>
> [...]
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:02:27 +0530
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On 16 Oct 2014 07:12, "Rejy M Cyriac" <rcyriac at redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On 10/15/2014 11:13 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote:
> >
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
> >> don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at
> >> it.
> >
> > Of course. I'm just saying that an annual conference shouldn't be the
> > place for them to start or, even worse, practice their speaking
> > skills. User group meetings, smaller conferences etc. are all fine.
> >
> > Besides, we've been running in the current way for quite a few years and
> > still have complaints about talk quality. I think a different approach
> > is justified, even if only as an experiment.
> >
> >> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> >> person would have presentation skills as well.
> >
> > That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation
> > skills talking about something they don't know in depth.
> >
> -1
>
> Engaging the audience is vital for a talk to be well accepted.
>
>
> > Also, a talk by an experienced speaker will open the way to an
> > interesting Q/A or even a good open space.
> >
> >> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> >> including Pycon US.
> >
> > Fair enough. I'm saying we should try it for a year or two in a
> > different way and see if it's better. My gut feel is that this kind of
> > approach will make it a smaller but higher quality conference.
> >
> >> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At
> >> some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
> >
> > User group meetings, smaller one day conferences, attending workshops,
> > teaching workshops. All of these are there. I don't understand the
> > reasoning behind allowing first timers to speak at the premium
> > conference which is held just once a year.
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >
> How would we go about verifying this ? Ask for participation
> certificates from the local user group ? Ensuring the speaker selection
> process is based on merit of the topic, quality of content, and
> presentation skills of the presenter should be enough, rather than put
> up hard filters to keep out folks.

Exactly. +1.

>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
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From me at bibhas.in  Thu Oct 16 07:41:18 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:11:18 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Oct 15, 2014 8:37 PM, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   [...]
>>
>> > I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.
>>
>> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers don't
sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
>>
>> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
person would have presentation skills as well.
>>
>> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
including Pycon US.
>>
>> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At some
point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
>
> New speaker are welcome, but not first time speakers. There are other
venues like user group meetings etc to practice speaking for first timers.

Maybe we should not restrict speakers depending on their experience. Maybe
instead we can have a strong talk selection committee who can go through
the talks of first time speakers and make sure that the presentation is of
high quality?

We can always ask people to participate and talk at the local user groups.
But we'll always have someone who will submit their talks as a first time
speaker. Maybe their presentation skills won't be at par. But if the topic
is interesting, we can help them get started? Restricting the total number
of talks might help here. We can give more assistance to the talks. The
percentage of first time speakers won't be too high. So if the topic is
interesting, maybe someone else from the community can help the speaker on
stage if they don't have good presentation skills. That might help both the
speaker and the conference, and the community to some extent as it might
encourage more new speakers to come up.
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From anandology at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 07:59:36 2014
From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:29:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:

>
> On Oct 15, 2014 8:37 PM, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   [...]
> >>
> >> > I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.
> >>
> >> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
> don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
> >>
> >> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
> person would have presentation skills as well.
> >>
> >> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
> including Pycon US.
> >>
> >> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At some
> point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
> >
> > New speaker are welcome, but not first time speakers. There are other
> venues like user group meetings etc to practice speaking for first timers.
>
> Maybe we should not restrict speakers depending on their experience. Maybe
> instead we can have a strong talk selection committee who can go through
> the talks of first time speakers and make sure that the presentation is of
> high quality?
>
> We can always ask people to participate and talk at the local user groups.
> But we'll always have someone who will submit their talks as a first time
> speaker. Maybe their presentation skills won't be at par. But if the topic
> is interesting, we can help them get started? Restricting the total number
> of talks might help here. We can give more assistance to the talks. The
> percentage of first time speakers won't be too high. So if the topic is
> interesting, maybe someone else from the community can help the speaker on
> stage if they don't have good presentation skills. That might help both the
> speaker and the conference, and the community to some extent as it might
> encourage more new speakers to come up.
>
I think thats a good idea. In fact, that is what done this year. The talk
selection team has spent time looking at the slides of the speakers,
providing guidelines etc.

Anand
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From me at bibhas.in  Thu Oct 16 08:13:23 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:43:23 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Oct 16, 2014 11:30 AM, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Bibhas Ch Debnath <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Oct 15, 2014 8:37 PM, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >   [...]
>> >>
>> >> > I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.
>> >>
>> >> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
>> >>
>> >> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
person would have presentation skills as well.
>> >>
>> >> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
including Pycon US.
>> >>
>> >> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At
some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
>> >
>> > New speaker are welcome, but not first time speakers. There are other
venues like user group meetings etc to practice speaking for first timers.
>>
>> Maybe we should not restrict speakers depending on their experience.
Maybe instead we can have a strong talk selection committee who can go
through the talks of first time speakers and make sure that the
presentation is of high quality?
>>
>> We can always ask people to participate and talk at the local user
groups. But we'll always have someone who will submit their talks as a
first time speaker. Maybe their presentation skills won't be at par. But if
the topic is interesting, we can help them get started? Restricting the
total number of talks might help here. We can give more assistance to the
talks. The percentage of first time speakers won't be too high. So if the
topic is interesting, maybe someone else from the community can help the
speaker on stage if they don't have good presentation skills. That might
help both the speaker and the conference, and the community to some extent
as it might encourage more new speakers to come up.
>
> I think thats a good idea. In fact, that is what done this year. The talk
selection team has spent time looking at the slides of the speakers,
providing guidelines etc.

I believe that's a good path to follow. This year we've had much less
complaints about talk quality than last couple of years. Let's keep doing
it and do it better next year.

>
> Anand
>
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From blucalvin at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 08:36:21 2014
From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:06:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 16 Oct 2014 07:41, "Bibhas Ch Debnath" <me at bibhas.in> wrote:
>
>
> On Oct 15, 2014 8:37 PM, "Anand Chitipothu" <anandology at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >   [...]
> >>
> >> > I'm against first time or inexperienced *speakers*.
> >>
> >> I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers
don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at it.
> >>
> >> Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the
person would have presentation skills as well.
> >>
> >> Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,
including Pycon US.
> >>
> >> There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At
some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)
> >
> > New speaker are welcome, but not first time speakers. There are other
venues like user group meetings etc to practice speaking for first timers.
>
> Maybe we should not restrict speakers depending on their experience.
Maybe instead we can have a strong talk selection committee who can go
through the talks of first time speakers and make sure that the
presentation is of high quality?
>
> We can always ask people to participate and talk at the local user
groups. But we'll always have someone who will submit their talks as a
first time speaker. Maybe their presentation skills won't be at par. But if
the topic is interesting, we can help them get started? Restricting the
total number of talks might help here. We can give more assistance to the
talks. The percentage of first time speakers won't be too high. So if the
topic is interesting, maybe someone else from the community can help the
speaker on stage if they don't have good presentation skills. That might
help both the speaker and the conference, and the community to some extent
as it might encourage more new speakers to come up.
>

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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Oct 16 10:16:09 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:46:09 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:

[...]

>> That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation
>> skills talking about something they don't know in depth.
>> 
> -1
>
> Engaging the audience is vital for a talk to be well accepted.

Given a choice between an engaging speaker who's not very well informed
about what he or she is talking about and a bad presenter who knows the
topic well, I'd choose the latter.


[...]

> How would we go about verifying this ? Ask for participation
> certificates from the local user group ? Ensuring the speaker
> selection process is based on merit of the topic, quality of content,
> and presentation skills of the presenter should be enough, rather than
> put up hard filters to keep out folks.

I agree with you here. I'm saying that "presentation skills of the
presenter" is something that can be judged by experience. Take a look at
a presenter that says this

"""
This talk is an intro to technology X. It will discuss how to get
started using X and how to create a simple application using it.
"""

vs. 

"""
This talk about how I used technology X to solve a problem which could
not be solved by conventional ways. I've spoken about this at my local
user group meetups and at my college festival. 
"""

I'd pick the second.


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Oct 16 10:24:48 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:54:48 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:


[...]


> +1
>
> Discouraging first-time speakers is a very negative, selfish, and
> self-destructive path to follow. Open source is all about
> inclusiveness.  Competitive we can strive to be, but not exclusive.

[...]

I'm all for inclusiveness and the rest of what you've suggested. All I'm
saying is that all gatherings/events are not for all audiences.

I wouldn't run a development sprint with a first timer student as a
mentor. Would you? 

I'd go even further. I think that actually discouraging iexperienced
speakers and trying to get the more experienced folk to present would
actually help first timers (in the audience) more. 

To wit, it's much more valuable for me, as a student, to listen to
someone who's actually built a production website with, for example,
flask rather than to listen to my college buddy presenting an "intro to
flask" talk at a conference that claims to be the "premier Python
conference in India".

We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time speakers,
presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that these 20 odd talks
that are selected once a year for which people actually fly down and
stay in Bangalore should be that avenue.

In any case, I can see that my opinion is not widely held. I don't have
the energy and time to push against what seems to be a rising tide of
opposition so I'm going to end my mails on this topic.


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From me at bibhas.in  Thu Oct 16 10:50:59 2014
From: me at bibhas.in (Bibhas Ch Debnath)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:20:59 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Oct 16, 2014 1:54 PM, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
>
> > +1
> >
> > Discouraging first-time speakers is a very negative, selfish, and
> > self-destructive path to follow. Open source is all about
> > inclusiveness.  Competitive we can strive to be, but not exclusive.
>
> [...]
>
> I'm all for inclusiveness and the rest of what you've suggested. All I'm
> saying is that all gatherings/events are not for all audiences.
>
> I wouldn't run a development sprint with a first timer student as a
> mentor. Would you?
>
> I'd go even further. I think that actually discouraging iexperienced
> speakers and trying to get the more experienced folk to present would
> actually help first timers (in the audience) more.
>
> To wit, it's much more valuable for me, as a student, to listen to
> someone who's actually built a production website with, for example,
> flask rather than to listen to my college buddy presenting an "intro to
> flask" talk at a conference that claims to be the "premier Python
> conference in India".

I agree. A first time speaker talking about intro to foo should get much
much lower preference than a first time speaker talking about their
experience and/or lessons from foo. The talk selection team should keep
this in mind. Let's not encourage intro to foo talks. On the submission
form next year, let's mention this explicitly, listed under the title "some
good examples of topics" or something similar.

>
> We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time speakers,
> presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that these 20 odd talks
> that are selected once a year for which people actually fly down and
> stay in Bangalore should be that avenue.
>
> In any case, I can see that my opinion is not widely held. I don't have
> the energy and time to push against what seems to be a rising tide of
> opposition so I'm going to end my mails on this topic.

I agree with restricting beginner topics that can just be learned from
Internet any given day. But the intermediate/advanced topic speakers then
have to keep in mind that there will be beginners in the audience and
provide few pointers as they go along. Like explain in few sentences what
virtualenv is when talking about deploying python applications on servers.

In 2011, at my first pycon, there were lot of topics that were not for
beginners. I remember sitting through some talks not understanding all the
terms and topics e.g. Lambda, SL4A etc. But I jotted them down anyway, then
either searched them on spot or came home and learned more about them.

I think it's fine if we discourage introductory talks. That might just give
the interested participants some enthusiasm to learn more about advanced
topics.

There will always be people who come to conference just to see what's
happening and take nothing back but the tshirt and complain if they don't
understand few advanced topics and say that we should have more
introductory talks. I believe they are not helping themselves. They wont
get much further even if we decide to help them. Those who want to learn,
will learn themselves. We should make sure, that those people meet more
good people and have great conversations. That's what I value pycon most
for.

I agree that we should try to keep an initial barrier like day of the week
or limited seats and talks that cuts down the unenthusiastic ones.

>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
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From rcyriac at redhat.com  Thu Oct 16 11:45:30 2014
From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:15:30 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 10/16/2014 01:46 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation
>>> skills talking about something they don't know in depth.
>>>
>> -1
>>
>> Engaging the audience is vital for a talk to be well accepted.
> 
> Given a choice between an engaging speaker who's not very well informed
> about what he or she is talking about and a bad presenter who knows the
> topic well, I'd choose the latter.
> 

Those are two extremes, and the choice is obvious. :-)

> 
> [...]
> 
>> How would we go about verifying this ? Ask for participation
>> certificates from the local user group ? Ensuring the speaker
>> selection process is based on merit of the topic, quality of content,
>> and presentation skills of the presenter should be enough, rather than
>> put up hard filters to keep out folks.
> 
> I agree with you here. I'm saying that "presentation skills of the
> presenter" is something that can be judged by experience. Take a look at
> a presenter that says this
> 
> """
> This talk is an intro to technology X. It will discuss how to get
> started using X and how to create a simple application using it.
> """
> 
> vs. 
> 
> """
> This talk about how I used technology X to solve a problem which could
> not be solved by conventional ways. I've spoken about this at my local
> user group meetups and at my college festival. 
> """
> 
> I'd pick the second.
> 
> 
Close to what I was talking about. However, even if the last sentence
were missing from second example, it could still be an interesting talk
to deserve a look-in by the panel, and not be screened out.

-- 
Regards,

Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)

From rcyriac at redhat.com  Thu Oct 16 11:52:03 2014
From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 15:22:03 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 10/16/2014 01:54 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
>> +1
>>
>> Discouraging first-time speakers is a very negative, selfish, and
>> self-destructive path to follow. Open source is all about
>> inclusiveness.  Competitive we can strive to be, but not exclusive.
> 
> [...]
> 
> I'm all for inclusiveness and the rest of what you've suggested. All I'm
> saying is that all gatherings/events are not for all audiences.
> 
> I wouldn't run a development sprint with a first timer student as a
> mentor. Would you? 
> 
> I'd go even further. I think that actually discouraging iexperienced
> speakers and trying to get the more experienced folk to present would
> actually help first timers (in the audience) more. 
> 
> To wit, it's much more valuable for me, as a student, to listen to
> someone who's actually built a production website with, for example,
> flask rather than to listen to my college buddy presenting an "intro to
> flask" talk at a conference that claims to be the "premier Python
> conference in India".
> 
+1

A very valid point, I agree.

> We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time speakers,
> presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that these 20 odd talks
> that are selected once a year for which people actually fly down and
> stay in Bangalore should be that avenue.
> 

Would a separate track for first time speakers, presenters, programmers,
to be held along with the main conference, be something to consider ?

> In any case, I can see that my opinion is not widely held. I don't have
> the energy and time to push against what seems to be a rising tide of
> opposition so I'm going to end my mails on this topic.
> 
> 
Please do not do that. Even if all may not agree with *all* that you
say, your opinions are very valuable and essential to steer this community.

-- 
Regards,

Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Oct 16 12:54:43 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:24:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:


[...]

>> We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time speakers,
>> presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that these 20 odd talks
>> that are selected once a year for which people actually fly down and
>> stay in Bangalore should be that avenue.
>> 
>
> Would a separate track for first time speakers, presenters, programmers,
> to be held along with the main conference, be something to consider ?

I don't know. I'm still undecided on how to split tracks. Level wise,
topic wise. I think splitting them mostly topic wise and then marking
talks is one way of doing it[1].

Doing it like you suggest makes this track, in some ways, "lower". This
is where you go to if you're inexperienced, a first timer or something
else we think less of. This is a gut feeling but I think, within the
conference, everything should be equal. 

[...]



Footnotes: 
[1]  https://us.pycon.org/2011/speaker/extreme/

-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From rcyriac at redhat.com  Thu Oct 16 14:30:44 2014
From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:00:44 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On 10/16/2014 04:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time speakers,
>>> presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that these 20 odd talks
>>> that are selected once a year for which people actually fly down and
>>> stay in Bangalore should be that avenue.
>>>
>>
>> Would a separate track for first time speakers, presenters, programmers,
>> to be held along with the main conference, be something to consider ?
> 
> I don't know. I'm still undecided on how to split tracks. Level wise,
> topic wise. I think splitting them mostly topic wise and then marking
> talks is one way of doing it[1].
> 
> Doing it like you suggest makes this track, in some ways, "lower". This
> is where you go to if you're inexperienced, a first timer or something
> else we think less of. This is a gut feeling but I think, within the
> conference, everything should be equal. 
> 
> [...]
> 

Looking at the way you put it, it certainly makes sense not to brand a
track as beginner, as most folks will not like to be labelled as such,
and moreover it may bring down the value of the PyCon India brand.

It would be better to split tracks topic-wise, and then mark them
"introduction", "intermediate", and "advanced", and even have "Extreme"
level as given in the provided link.

We could then limit the "introduction" talks to just one per track, and
have them at non-prime time/space.

And we could aim to have more of "advanced" and  "Extreme" talks to
improve the value of the PyCon India brand, but that again depends on
PyCon India being able to attract experienced speakers, and the ability
of the panel to choose well.

- rejy (rmc)

> 
> 
> Footnotes: 
> [1]  https://us.pycon.org/2011/speaker/extreme/
> 

From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Thu Oct 16 19:29:43 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:59:43 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:


[...]


> Looking at the way you put it, it certainly makes sense not to brand a
> track as beginner, as most folks will not like to be labelled as such,
> and moreover it may bring down the value of the PyCon India brand.
>
> It would be better to split tracks topic-wise, and then mark them
> "introduction", "intermediate", and "advanced", and even have "Extreme"
> level as given in the provided link.


I think the funnel allows people to mark their talks as
advanced/intermediate etc.

> We could then limit the "introduction" talks to just one per track, and
> have them at non-prime time/space.

Possible.

> And we could aim to have more of "advanced" and "Extreme" talks to
> improve the value of the PyCon India brand, but that again depends on
> PyCon India being able to attract experienced speakers, and the
> ability of the panel to choose well.

That's the problem and my solution is to alter our approach, atleast for
a year, to see if we can attract such talks and whether it actually
improves the conference qualitatively. 

[...]


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From jaseemabid at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 23:51:58 2014
From: jaseemabid at gmail.com (Jaseem Abid)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 03:21:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Development Sprints
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On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
>
>
> [...]
>
> >> We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time speakers,
> >> presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that these 20 odd talks
> >> that are selected once a year for which people actually fly down and
> >> stay in Bangalore should be that avenue.
> >>
> >
> > Would a separate track for first time speakers, presenters, programmers,
> > to be held along with the main conference, be something to consider ?
>
> I don't know. I'm still undecided on how to split tracks. Level wise,
> topic wise. I think splitting them mostly topic wise and then marking
> talks is one way of doing it[1].
>

I'd love to see one, at least one good extreme talk per year.
My $0.02


>
> Doing it like you suggest makes this track, in some ways, "lower". This
> is where you go to if you're inexperienced, a first timer or something
> else we think less of. This is a gut feeling but I think, within the
> conference, everything should be equal.
>
> [...]
>
>
>
> Footnotes:
> [1]  https://us.pycon.org/2011/speaker/extreme/
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
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Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 09:36:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Talks in PyCon India (was Re:  Development Sprints)
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On Friday 17 October 2014 03:21 AM, Jaseem Abid wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV 
> <noufal at nibrahim.net.in <mailto:noufal at nibrahim.net.in>> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Oct 16 2014, Rejy M Cyriac wrote:
> 
> 
> [...]
> 
>>> We, as a community, should make avenues open for first time
>>> speakers, presenters, programmers etc. I just don't think that
>>> these 20 odd talks that are selected once a year for which
>>> people actually fly down and stay in Bangalore should be that
>>> avenue.
>>> 
>> 
>> Would a separate track for first time speakers, presenters,
>> programmers, to be held along with the main conference, be
>> something to consider ?
> 
> I don't know. I'm still undecided on how to split tracks. Level
> wise, topic wise. I think splitting them mostly topic wise and then
> marking talks is one way of doing it[1].
> 
> 
> I'd love to see one, at least one good extreme talk per year. My
> $0.02


Topic Reset - this started as Development Sprints but seem to
bifurcate to Talks and Quality of talks - Forking another thread for it.

> 
> 
> 
> Doing it like you suggest makes this track, in some ways, "lower".
> This is where you go to if you're inexperienced, a first timer or
> something else we think less of. This is a gut feeling but I think,
> within the conference, everything should be equal.
> 
> [...]
> 
> 
> 
> Footnotes: [1]  https://us.pycon.org/2011/speaker/extreme/
> 
> -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in 
> _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing
> list Inpycon at python.org <mailto:Inpycon at python.org> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- Regards,
> 
> Jaseem Abid github.com/jaseemabid <https://github.com/jaseemabid/>
> 
> 
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From arvi at alumni.iastate.edu  Fri Oct 17 13:48:58 2014
From: arvi at alumni.iastate.edu (Arvi Krishnaswamy)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:18:58 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Talks in PyCon India (was Re: Development Sprints)
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On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 9:36 AM, Anand B Pillai <anandpillai at letterboxes.org
> wrote:

>
> Topic Reset - this started as Development Sprints but seem to
> bifurcate to Talks and Quality of talks - Forking another thread for it.
>

?Related to the comments made by others but slightly at a tangent:

?Right now, Pycon is a 3 day conference. 1 day of workshops + 2 days of
conference.

Have we ever considering making that a 4 day conference: 1 day of workshops
+ 3 days of conference?  For instance, Pycon US is I think 2 days of
workshops + 3 days of conference.

I'm not saying that we should - just asking if this was considered, and
trying to understand the tradeoffs.

This could potentially provide us the flexibility to spread out the themes
over 3 days, and better cater to beginner/intermediate/advanced  or tracks
like scipy/web/core/tools instead of the mish mash we currently have.
 (This will a whole separate discussion to figure out what makes sense)

This may also provide additional time at the venue for running a dev sprint
as the other thread had suggested.

We may no longer need to be as bothered about the numbers - we may have
1500+ registrations all in all, but a more manageable number attending on
each day, for whom we can provide a better experience.

So what are the tradeoffs involved here?  Some that I could think of:
- Cost of venue for an additional day
- Volunteer fatigue over multiple days
- Possibly more admin if ticketing is split out by day (may be more
flexible for participants)
- Additional logistics to manage
- Schedule has to line up and make sense for this approach, or else it is
overkill

Thoughts?

-A
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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Fri Oct 17 14:05:28 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 17:35:28 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Talks in PyCon India (was Re: Development Sprints)
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On Fri, Oct 17 2014, Arvi Krishnaswamy wrote:

[...]

> This could potentially provide us the flexibility to spread out the
> themes over 3 days, and better cater to beginner/intermediate/advanced
> or tracks like scipy/web/core/tools instead of the mish mash we
> currently have.  (This will a whole separate discussion to figure out
> what makes sense)
>
> This may also provide additional time at the venue for running a dev
> sprint as the other thread had suggested.

[...]

This is one line of thought and I don't have any real bullets to shoot
at your proposal.

However, my gut feel is that the conference would benefit from fewer
talks, lesser audience and tighter quality control. If it was upto me,
that's the way I'd steer it. 

Increasing the number of days will increase the effort needed and
everyone, as far as I know, is already maxed out.

The US PyCon is a week long event. One (or two, I forget) days of
workshops, 3 days of the conference and 3 or so days of sprints (for
which all the regular visitors leave). Also, they conduct it at a hotel
at which most of the outside delegates stay so it becomes a 24 hour
event.


-- 
Cordially,
Noufal
http://nibrahim.net.in

From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 04:53:53 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 08:23:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Talks in PyCon India (was Re: Development Sprints)
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>
> Thoughts?
>

>> 3 days itself take lot of volunteer effort and it not easy job at all.

      I think problem we are discussing is that how to improve talk quality
for 2 days, by adding one more day we are not solving problem.

      Lets start thinking how to provide platform for presenter so they get
prepared before PyCon India. If we can address this issue we automatically
solve quality of talk problem.
      We need to reach out to old speakers to collect feedback from them(
We just collect feedback from audience) this will help us understand
speakers betters.

      Once we reach to a stage where our talk selection panel has hard time
to drop talks then we can think to increase no of days.
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From me at kracekumar.com  Wed Oct 22 08:40:17 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:10:17 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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We have blocked Oct 2, 3, 4 for PyCon India 2015 in NIMHANS.
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From venkteshguttedar at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 08:54:35 2014
From: venkteshguttedar at gmail.com (VENKTESH GUTTEDAR)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:24:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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Great. Works for everyone.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> We have blocked Oct 2, 3, 4 for PyCon India 2015 in NIMHANS.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 09:24:07 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:54:07 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On 22-Oct-2014 12:10 pm, "Kracekumar Ramaraju" <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
>
> We have blocked Oct 2, 3, 4 for PyCon India 2015 in NIMHANS

Great, I will book my tickets.
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 12:27:02 2014
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:57:02 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> We have blocked Oct 2, 3, 4 for PyCon India 2015 in NIMHANS.
>

Hallelujah?! :)
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From anuvrat at anuvrat.in  Wed Oct 22 12:51:32 2014
From: anuvrat at anuvrat.in (Anuvrat Parashar)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 16:21:32 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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jhakkas!!!
And I am going to book my flight tickets :)

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:57 PM, Shrayas rajagopal <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> We have blocked Oct 2, 3, 4 for PyCon India 2015 in NIMHANS.
>
>
> Hallelujah! :)
>
>
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From kiran.daredevil at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 06:23:20 2014
From: kiran.daredevil at gmail.com (Kiran Gangadharan)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 09:53:20 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] Dates for PyCon India 2015
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On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> We have blocked Oct 2, 3, 4 for PyCon India 2015 in NIMHANS.
>
Awesome!

>
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From me at kracekumar.com  Fri Oct 31 10:36:26 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:06:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
Message-ID: <CALWxmCRTpvwx8WUYicDjbn=d0U99ud+b4v_Lgh-N5epqOmQVRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

 We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office [1]
in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.


For directions please call

Kracekumar: 85530 29521
Sayan: 96869 92532

[1]:
https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/Hackerearth/@12.936892,77.624862,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3bae144482c932d5:0xdc71453c34075c4c

-- 
Regards
Kracekumar Ramaraju
http://kracekumar.com
+91 85530 29521
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From shiv.padala at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:40:04 2014
From: shiv.padala at gmail.com (siva kumar)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:10:04 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
In-Reply-To: <CALWxmCRTpvwx8WUYicDjbn=d0U99ud+b4v_Lgh-N5epqOmQVRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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when?
On Oct 31, 2014 3:06 PM, "Kracekumar Ramaraju" <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office [1]
> in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>
>
> For directions please call
>
> Kracekumar: 85530 29521
> Sayan: 96869 92532
>
> [1]:
> https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/Hackerearth/@12.936892,77.624862,17z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x3bae144482c932d5:0xdc71453c34075c4c
>
> --
> Regards
> Kracekumar Ramaraju
> http://kracekumar.com
> +91 85530 29521
>
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From vnbang2003 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:42:27 2014
From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:12:27 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:10 PM, siva kumar <shiv.padala at gmail.com> wrote:

> when?
>
Tomorrow  1 Nov 2014  around 12 Noon.
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From sayan at hackerearth.com  Fri Oct 31 10:42:57 2014
From: sayan at hackerearth.com (Sayan Chowdhury)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:12:57 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office [1]
> in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.

I would be coming!

From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:45:10 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:15:10 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On 31 October 2014 15:06, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:

> Hi
>
>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office [1]
> in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>
>
Hi All,

Can anybody volunteer in PyCon 2015 outside from Bangalore?

Thanks

Fasih Ahmad Fakhri | Python Developer | New Delhi | www.fasihahmad.tk
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From fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:53:36 2014
From: fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com (Fasih Ahmad Fakhri)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:23:36 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On 31 October 2014 15:15, Fasih Ahmad Fakhri <fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On 31 October 2014 15:06, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office
>> [1] in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>>
>>
> Hi All,
>
> Can anybody volunteer in PyCon 2015 outside from Bangalore?
>
>
I would love to attend volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015, wanna participate
in PyCon 2015
as volunteer or speaker but I lives in New Delhi :-(

-- 

Fasih Ahmad Fakhri | Python Developer | Fedora Project
<https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Fasihahmadfakhri> | www.fasihahmad.tk
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From shiv.padala at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:54:39 2014
From: shiv.padala at gmail.com (siva kumar)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:24:39 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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I would be coming
On Oct 31, 2014 3:16 PM, "Fasih Ahmad Fakhri" <fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On 31 October 2014 15:06, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office
>> [1] in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>>
>>
> Hi All,
>
> Can anybody volunteer in PyCon 2015 outside from Bangalore?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fasih Ahmad Fakhri | Python Developer | New Delhi | www.fasihahmad.tk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
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From venkteshguttedar at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 10:56:21 2014
From: venkteshguttedar at gmail.com (VENKTESH GUTTEDAR)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:26:21 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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Can timings be changed.? i want to come
 but i have working tomorrow.
If its in evening i will join u guys.


On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:15 PM, Fasih Ahmad Fakhri <
fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 31 October 2014 15:06, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office
>> [1] in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>>
>>
> Hi All,
>
> Can anybody volunteer in PyCon 2015 outside from Bangalore?
>
> Thanks
>
> Fasih Ahmad Fakhri | Python Developer | New Delhi | www.fasihahmad.tk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>
>


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From me at kracekumar.com  Fri Oct 31 13:12:53 2014
From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:42:53 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On Oct 31, 2014 3:24 PM, "Fasih Ahmad Fakhri" <fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
>
> On 31 October 2014 15:15, Fasih Ahmad Fakhri <fasihahmadfakhri at gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 31 October 2014 15:06, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office
[1] in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.

Yes. Tomorrow meetup is for volunteers in bangalore. We will be constantly
having threads for specific tasks in future where out station volunteers
can sign up for.

>>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Can anybody volunteer in PyCon 2015 outside from Bangalore?
>>
>
> I would love to attend volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015, wanna
participate in PyCon 2015
> as volunteer or speaker but I lives in New Delhi :-(
>
> --
>
> Fasih Ahmad Fakhri | Python Developer | Fedora Project | www.fasihahmad.tk
>
> _______________________________________________
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From rcyriac at redhat.com  Fri Oct 31 13:19:26 2014
From: rcyriac at redhat.com (Rejy M Cyriac)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:49:26 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On 10/31/2014 03:12 PM, vijay kumar wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:10 PM, siva kumar <shiv.padala at gmail.com
> <mailto:shiv.padala at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     when?
> 
> Tomorrow  1 Nov 2014  around 12 Noon.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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I would not be able to make it for this meeting, as I have some urgent
work to complete over the weekend, at my office. Sorry guys.

-- 
Regards,

Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)

From ten.kunkyab at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 17:54:25 2014
From: ten.kunkyab at gmail.com (Tenzin Kunkyab)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:24:25 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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?Hi Everyone,
?

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> Hi
>
>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office [1]
> in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>
>
?I'm sorry although I would've love to meet you guys again I'm tied down at
my work tomorrow. Some urgent work. If the agenda/whatever happened at the
meetup is posted in a thread that'd be great.
?
Regards,
Tenzin Kunkyab
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From shrayasr at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 17:59:06 2014
From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:29:06 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
wrote:

> Hi
>
>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office [1]
> in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are coming.
>

?Definitely wont be able to make it since i'm all the way in Chennai. But
will surely be waiting for the minutes and the discussions on the mailing
list :)

Cheers and have a good one.?
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From numan.siddique at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 18:02:12 2014
From: numan.siddique at gmail.com (Numan Siddique)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:32:12 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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Even I will not be able to make it.
I will be on travel

Thanks
Numan
 On Oct 31, 2014 10:30 PM, "Shrayas rajagopal" <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office
>> [1] in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are
>> coming.
>>
>
> ?Definitely wont be able to make it since i'm all the way in Chennai. But
> will surely be waiting for the minutes and the discussions on the mailing
> list :)
>
> Cheers and have a good one.?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
> Inpycon at python.org
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From venkteshguttedar at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 18:52:38 2014
From: venkteshguttedar at gmail.com (VENKTESH GUTTEDAR)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:22:38 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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@ KraceKumar Can we have it some other day.?


On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Numan Siddique <numan.siddique at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Even I will not be able to make it.
> I will be on travel
>
> Thanks
> Numan
>  On Oct 31, 2014 10:30 PM, "Shrayas rajagopal" <shrayasr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju <me at kracekumar.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>>  We are having volunteers meetup for PyCon 2015 in Hacker Earth office
>>> [1] in Kormangala at 12.00 PM. Please reply to the thread if you are
>>> coming.
>>>
>>
>> ?Definitely wont be able to make it since i'm all the way in Chennai. But
>> will surely be waiting for the minutes and the discussions on the mailing
>> list :)
>>
>> Cheers and have a good one.?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Inpycon mailing list
>> Inpycon at python.org
>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Inpycon mailing list
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>


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From noufal at nibrahim.net.in  Fri Oct 31 18:58:35 2014
From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 23:28:35 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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On Fri, Oct 31 2014, VENKTESH GUTTEDAR wrote:

> @ KraceKumar Can we have it some other day.?

[...]

I'd recommend doing it as is and summarising the meeting on the
list. Then have another one a few weeks from now.

I don't think it's a good idea to reduce momentum just for convenience
of everyone. That usually ends up causing laxity.


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From venkteshguttedar at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 19:41:56 2014
From: venkteshguttedar at gmail.com (VENKTESH GUTTEDAR)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 00:11:56 +0530
Subject: [Inpycon] PyCon 2015 volunteer meet
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Yes agreed.

On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV <noufal at nibrahim.net.in>
wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 31 2014, VENKTESH GUTTEDAR wrote:
>
> > @ KraceKumar Can we have it some other day.?
>
> [...]
>
> I'd recommend doing it as is and summarising the meeting on the
> list. Then have another one a few weeks from now.
>
> I don't think it's a good idea to reduce momentum just for convenience
> of everyone. That usually ends up causing laxity.
>
>
> --
> Cordially,
> Noufal
> http://nibrahim.net.in
> _______________________________________________
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