From me at kracekumar.com Fri Jul 3 07:48:33 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:18:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] IRC Meeting Message-ID: Hi We would like to have IRC PyCon India volunteers meeting. Agenda: - Discuss about work required to push Dev Sprint. - Brain storming/Feasibility discussion of having poster session. - Open Space planning. - Sponsorship reach out. Date: 10 July, 2015 Time: 7.00 PM - 8.00 PM Server: Freenode Irc channel: #pyconindia Everyone is welcome to join. -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jul 3 08:18:07 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:48:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] IRC Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If any one want to add new discussion point do et us know. We can plan to discuss on that as well. On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > Hi > > We would like to have IRC PyCon India volunteers meeting. > > Agenda: > > - Discuss about work required to push Dev Sprint. > - Brain storming/Feasibility discussion of having poster session. > - Open Space planning. > - Sponsorship reach out. > > Date: 10 July, 2015 > Time: 7.00 PM - 8.00 PM > Server: Freenode > Irc channel: #pyconindia > > Everyone is welcome to join. > > -- > Regards > Kracekumar Ramaraju > http://kracekumar.com > +91 85530 29521 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From me at kracekumar.com Wed Jul 8 23:44:09 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:14:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: We reached out to Armin and Alex, both had dropped the request. We need to now come up with few more people to reach out. On Mon, Jun 29, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > On 28 June 2015 at 11:56, vijay kumar wrote: > >> We have approached Lynn Root but haven't heard back from her yet. >> We will wait till Wednesday to hear back from her before we approach >> next members in our list. >> 1) Armin Ronacher >> 2) Alex Gaynor. >> >> If any other suggestion you want to add let us know . >> > > Ashwini Oruganti. Anand Pillai knows her I think. > Regards, > - sree > > > -- > Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > Executive Director > Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. > An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise > > Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 > Mobile: +91 98455 12611 > www.mahiti.org > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Jul 9 10:14:41 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 13:44:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: (Kracekumar Ramaraju's message of "Thu, 9 Jul 2015 03:14:09 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87fv4xwxvy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Jul 09 2015, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > We reached out to Armin and Alex, both had dropped the request. > > We need to now come up with few more people to reach out. [...] I remember that there was some enthusiasm in the group about inviting Zed Shaw a few years ago. I don't know if he still does conferences. If so, what do people think? -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shrayasr at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 10:14:30 2015 From: shrayasr at gmail.com (Shrayas rajagopal) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:44:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <87fv4xwxvy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87fv4xwxvy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > If > so, what do people think? +1 for Zed Shaw. From raghavan.vinay at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 10:16:54 2015 From: raghavan.vinay at gmail.com (Raghavan, Vinay) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:46:54 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <87fv4xwxvy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: http://zedshaw.com/announcing_the_art_of_the_con_and_retiring_from_tech_conferences.txt Zed Shaw might have a different perspective On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:44 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > > If > > so, what do people think? > > +1 for Zed Shaw. > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, raghava http://rghv.in -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From raghavan.vinay at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 10:19:33 2015 From: raghavan.vinay at gmail.com (Raghavan, Vinay) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:49:33 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <87fv4xwxvy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: oops! link seems to be dead! But as seen from http://www.bubbleconf.com/ ?I'm retiring from speaking at tech conferences. My last one will be > Bubbleconf and I'm going to lay it all out in a talk titled "The Art Of The > Con: Memoirs Of A Conference Trophy Nerd". > If you want to see an epic fucking blowout then come to Bubbleconf 2013 > and watch me set this bitch on fire while I walk out of the scene with a > big "fuck you, and thanks for all fish". After that I'm putting *myself* on > a blacklist for bad speakers and working to keep abusive or shitty public > speakers out of the conference circuit while starting a training program > for geeks who want to learn public speaking.? > Read the rest of Zed's post on his blog > > . Still, could be confirmed from him, I guess. 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We can have a discussion in open space, probably you can moderate. > > > >> >> -Satya >> Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in | >> > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Jul 9 11:17:08 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:47:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: (Indradhanush Gupta's message of "Thu, 9 Jul 2015 13:50:16 +0530") References: <87fv4xwxvy.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <874mldwuzv.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Jul 09 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: > May I suggest Ned Batchelder as well? https://twitter.com/nedbat [...] I spoke to him once earlier. He said that the trip is too long for him. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Thu Jul 9 11:14:21 2015 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:44:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <559E3B6D.2050409@letterboxes.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 09 July 2015 02:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: +1 as long as there is no co-marketing of his books. - -- Regards, - --Anand - ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org Cell: +919880078014 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVnjtmAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDM2kH/iPZBAuwQ3rFXcFUBIjYIkxG 2mySjWS3eEvRNGoID3KwgF8eqCevTuXPy5sEO8eLA++9dKKBEscnxRg+B5D2fxQh eSwwEfiTQqhcY5d6EiTb+YAShiB1SD/Ea0+JL7v8yei4k+DR0Wq+ix5GCMPTlq/m apdHhh3opGSgCjJpFme91dimjQ3iL25sIY5GiTbpfBgnYCBcpntE7mSDTq5qD/kX GjvKcdlUqZePozJYVY/tlGrmVlWHjNoFni4y9DWzzmoSwYc5i7lRu0497EMgrwin LZxeWE4Tpy3SvCFFW8X3kvWL37HWBJrS/3nYlxm5kL/yKxgehisplf+oEcsPXv0= =LENJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Thu Jul 9 11:14:21 2015 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 14:44:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday 09 July 2015 02:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, vijay kumar > wrote: > > > How about Daniel Greenfeld ? > > > > +1 https://twitter.com/pydanny +1 as long as there is no co-marketing of his books. > > Few more people > > * Julia Evans: http://jvns.ca/ * Travis Oliphant: > https://twitter.com/teoliphant * Brandon Rhodes: > https://twitter.com/brandon_rhodes > > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing > list Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 > 29521 > > > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing > list Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > - -- Regards, - --Anand - ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org Cell: +919880078014 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVnjtmAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDM2kH/iPZBAuwQ3rFXcFUBIjYIkxG 2mySjWS3eEvRNGoID3KwgF8eqCevTuXPy5sEO8eLA++9dKKBEscnxRg+B5D2fxQh eSwwEfiTQqhcY5d6EiTb+YAShiB1SD/Ea0+JL7v8yei4k+DR0Wq+ix5GCMPTlq/m apdHhh3opGSgCjJpFme91dimjQ3iL25sIY5GiTbpfBgnYCBcpntE7mSDTq5qD/kX GjvKcdlUqZePozJYVY/tlGrmVlWHjNoFni4y9DWzzmoSwYc5i7lRu0497EMgrwin LZxeWE4Tpy3SvCFFW8X3kvWL37HWBJrS/3nYlxm5kL/yKxgehisplf+oEcsPXv0= =LENJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From tarun1188 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:27:30 2015 From: tarun1188 at gmail.com (Tarun soni) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 14:57:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: +1 for Brandon Rhodes. Also what about Kenneth Reitz ? https://twitter.com/kennethreitz. On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thursday 09 July 2015 02:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, vijay kumar > > wrote: > > > > > > How about Daniel Greenfeld ? > > > > > > > > +1 https://twitter.com/pydanny > > +1 as long as there is no co-marketing of his books. > > > > Few more people > > > > * Julia Evans: http://jvns.ca/ * Travis Oliphant: > > https://twitter.com/teoliphant * Brandon Rhodes: > > https://twitter.com/brandon_rhodes > > > > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing > > list Inpycon at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > > > > > > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 > > 29521 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing > > list Inpycon at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > - -- > Regards, > > - --Anand > > - ---------------------------- > Software Architect/Consultant > anandpillai at letterboxes.org > > Cell: +919880078014 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1 > Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVnjtmAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDM2kH/iPZBAuwQ3rFXcFUBIjYIkxG > 2mySjWS3eEvRNGoID3KwgF8eqCevTuXPy5sEO8eLA++9dKKBEscnxRg+B5D2fxQh > eSwwEfiTQqhcY5d6EiTb+YAShiB1SD/Ea0+JL7v8yei4k+DR0Wq+ix5GCMPTlq/m > apdHhh3opGSgCjJpFme91dimjQ3iL25sIY5GiTbpfBgnYCBcpntE7mSDTq5qD/kX > GjvKcdlUqZePozJYVY/tlGrmVlWHjNoFni4y9DWzzmoSwYc5i7lRu0497EMgrwin > LZxeWE4Tpy3SvCFFW8X3kvWL37HWBJrS/3nYlxm5kL/yKxgehisplf+oEcsPXv0= > =LENJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He can talk about Python, education, microbit etc. Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 11:33:37 2015 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:03:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: >> We reached out to Armin and Alex, both had dropped the request. >> >> We need to now come up with few more people to reach out. >> > Nicholas Tollervey. Nicholas is a programmer, classically trained > musician, philosophy graduate, teacher & writer. He is our guy who is > working with BBC for microbit project. He can talk about Python, > education, microbit etc. > The best way to get in touch with him is via ntoll at ntoll.org Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From me at kracekumar.com Thu Jul 9 11:43:39 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:13:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Tarun soni wrote: > +1 for Brandon Rhodes. > > Also what about Kenneth Reitz ? > > https://twitter.com/kennethreitz. > He already keynoted PyCon India in 2013 https://in.pycon.org/2013/. > > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Anand B Pillai < > anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> On Thursday 09 July 2015 02:10 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 1:50 PM, vijay kumar > > > wrote: >> > >> > >> > How about Daniel Greenfeld ? >> > >> > >> > >> > +1 https://twitter.com/pydanny >> >> +1 as long as there is no co-marketing of his books. >> > >> > Few more people >> > >> > * Julia Evans: http://jvns.ca/ * Travis Oliphant: >> > https://twitter.com/teoliphant * Brandon Rhodes: >> > https://twitter.com/brandon_rhodes >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing >> > list Inpycon at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 >> > 29521 >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ Inpycon mailing >> > list Inpycon at python.org >> > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > >> >> >> - -- >> Regards, >> >> - --Anand >> >> - ---------------------------- >> Software Architect/Consultant >> anandpillai at letterboxes.org >> >> Cell: +919880078014 >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v1 >> Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ >> >> iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVnjtmAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDM2kH/iPZBAuwQ3rFXcFUBIjYIkxG >> 2mySjWS3eEvRNGoID3KwgF8eqCevTuXPy5sEO8eLA++9dKKBEscnxRg+B5D2fxQh >> eSwwEfiTQqhcY5d6EiTb+YAShiB1SD/Ea0+JL7v8yei4k+DR0Wq+ix5GCMPTlq/m >> apdHhh3opGSgCjJpFme91dimjQ3iL25sIY5GiTbpfBgnYCBcpntE7mSDTq5qD/kX >> GjvKcdlUqZePozJYVY/tlGrmVlWHjNoFni4y9DWzzmoSwYc5i7lRu0497EMgrwin >> LZxeWE4Tpy3SvCFFW8X3kvWL37HWBJrS/3nYlxm5kL/yKxgehisplf+oEcsPXv0= >> =LENJ >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Jul 9 16:31:07 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:01:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: (Kushal Das's message of "Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:02:40 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87y4ipv1w4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Thu, Jul 09 2015, Kushal Das wrote: [...] > Nicholas Tollervey. Nicholas is a programmer, classically trained > musician, philosophy graduate, teacher & writer. He is our guy who is > working with BBC for microbit project. He can talk about Python, > education, microbit etc. [...] I must confess that I've never heard about him. From your summary though, he sounds very interesting. Have you seen him speak? Are there any recordings of him doing so? -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From kushaldas at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 16:34:32 2015 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:04:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <87y4ipv1w4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87y4ipv1w4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:01 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Thu, Jul 09 2015, Kushal Das wrote: > > > [...] > >> Nicholas Tollervey. Nicholas is a programmer, classically trained >> musician, philosophy graduate, teacher & writer. He is our guy who is >> working with BBC for microbit project. He can talk about Python, >> education, microbit etc. > [...] > > > I must confess that I've never heard about him. From your summary > though, he sounds very interesting. Have you seen him speak? Are there > any recordings of him doing so? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eew8BngN7Y from 2015. He is also speaking in Europycon iirc. Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Jul 9 16:47:56 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2015 20:17:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: (Kracekumar Ramaraju's message of "Thu, 9 Jul 2015 15:13:39 +0530") References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> A few more possibilities. Alex Gaynor - PyPy and PyCA. Very active on the community side of things too. Van Lindberg - He can offer non-technical perspectives on various aspects of the community that will be educational. Holger Krekel - py.test author/maintainer. I think py.test is as brilliant as it is under appreciated. Also, Holger is one of the most helpful project leaders I've ever met. Mike Bayer - SQLAlchemy. Python's "killer application". I'd love to have his perspectives on the non relational database trends. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From raghavan.vinay at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 16:51:06 2015 From: raghavan.vinay at gmail.com (Raghavan, Vinay) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 20:21:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: +1 for Mike Bayer. Also, has *Marc-Andr? Lemburg* (egenix.com, https://wiki.python.org/moin/MarcAndreLemburg, https://www.youtube.com/user/egenixcom) given any keynotes in India PyCon before? On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > A few more possibilities. > > Alex Gaynor - PyPy and PyCA. Very active on the community side of things > too. > > Van Lindberg - He can offer non-technical perspectives on various > aspects of the community that will be educational. > > Holger Krekel - py.test author/maintainer. I think py.test is as brilliant > as > it is under appreciated. Also, Holger is one of the most helpful project > leaders I've ever met. > > Mike Bayer - SQLAlchemy. Python's "killer application". I'd love to have > his perspectives on the non relational database trends. > > > > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Regards, raghava -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Very active on the community side of things >> too. >> >> Van Lindberg - He can offer non-technical perspectives on various >> aspects of the community that will be educational. >> >> Holger Krekel - py.test author/maintainer. I think py.test is as >> brilliant as >> it is under appreciated. Also, Holger is one of the most helpful project >> leaders I've ever met. >> >> Mike Bayer - SQLAlchemy. Python's "killer application". I'd love to have >> his perspectives on the non relational database trends. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > raghava > -- Regards, raghava -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Perhaps one of the other PyPy people? http://pypy.org/people.html [...] -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 19:10:38 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2015 22:40:38 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: > Holger Krekel > I would also like to meet but -1 for keynote > Mike Bayer - > +1 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Jul 9 21:28:32 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:58:32 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: (Indradhanush Gupta's message of "Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:33:53 +0530") References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Jul 10 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: > Is being actively involved in the Python community a pre requisite here? If > not, I would suggest Pieter Hintjens, https://twitter.com/hintjens ; > He is the creator of ZeroMQ and has a very good experience in building > communities. [...] Good idea. I'm +1 on this. I think Vijay and Krace have a list of people to select from now. :) -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 05:59:34 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:29:34 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: We will start reaching out to them in below order Mike Bayer Van Lindberg Pieter Hintjens Daniel Greenfeld Nicholas Tollervey. Ashwini Oruganti. Will update here on developments. On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Fri, Jul 10 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: > > > Is being actively involved in the Python community a pre requisite here? > If > > not, I would suggest Pieter Hintjens, https://twitter.com/hintjens ; > > He is the creator of ZeroMQ and has a very good experience in building > > communities. > > [...] > > Good idea. I'm +1 on this. > > I think Vijay and Krace have a list of people to select from now. :) > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 06:37:46 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:07:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Added Julia Evans Mike Bayer > Van Lindberg > Pieter Hintjens > Daniel Greenfeld > Nicholas Tollervey. > Ashwini Oruganti. > Julia Evans: http://jvns.ca/ > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thethunder666 at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 06:54:49 2015 From: thethunder666 at gmail.com (Rishi Mukherjee) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:54:49 +0000 Subject: [Inpycon] Pycon India 2015 android and iOS apps Message-ID: Hi, Arindam and I had a meeting with Krace about the development of iOS and Android apps. Here are some of the important points: (Quoting Krace's email after the meeting) MoM: ------ - Arindam will lead Android development and Rishi will lead ios development. - For Android we will use Java, swift for ios. - Create GitHub repos and grant access (done) [1], [2]. - We will have features for schedule, feedback in v1. - v2 will have options to favourite talks, reminders, edit feedback. - App has to work in complete offline mode. - App doesn't require authentication. - We will use push notifications for indicating change in schedule. - Come up with dummy static api for schedules. [done] - Build required apis for devices registration, verification, schedule, feedback. - We will use gitter similar to https://gitter.im/pythonindia/junction - Once we have base setup with build, Arindam or Rishi will drop email to ML. - Come up with api structure and share Important Timelines ------------ - Repo creation - 27 Jun - Dummy Schedule - 28 Jun - Basic Schedule Display - 11 July [iOS done] - Backend Feedback API - 11 July - Feedback integration - 25 July - Testing - Fix bugs - Iteration v2 If required we will organise dev sprint and close things. Please add if I have missed any points. Our backend code is here [3]. You can use that as base for decision taking like license, readme, guidelines to contribute. Feel free to suggest :-) [1]: https://github.com/pythonindia/PyConIndiaAndroid [2]: https://github.com/pythonindia/PyConIndiaIOS [3]: https://github.com/pythonindia/junction The design of the schedule was given by Tanay Kumar Bera. 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On Fri, Jul 10 2015, vijay kumar wrote: > We will start reaching out to them in below order > Mike Bayer > Van Lindberg > Pieter Hintjens > Daniel Greenfeld > Nicholas Tollervey. > Ashwini Oruganti. > > Will update here on developments. > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 10 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: >> >> > Is being actively involved in the Python community a pre requisite here? >> If >> > not, I would suggest Pieter Hintjens, https://twitter.com/hintjens ; >> > He is the creator of ZeroMQ and has a very good experience in building >> > communities. >> >> [...] >> >> Good idea. I'm +1 on this. >> >> I think Vijay and Krace have a list of people to select from now. :) >> >> >> -- >> Cordially, >> Noufal >> http://nibrahim.net.in >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From shridharivani at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 06:58:09 2015 From: shridharivani at gmail.com (Shridhar Ivani) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:28:09 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 73, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi I am Shridhar Working o python at mangalore so i would like to volunteer for pycon bangalore please accept me On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 10:25 AM, wrote: > Send Inpycon mailing list submissions to > inpycon at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inpycon-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inpycon-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inpycon digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Keynote speakers update (Noufal Ibrahim KV) > 2. Re: Keynote speakers update (vijay kumar) > 3. Re: Keynote speakers update (vijay kumar) > 4. Pycon India 2015 android and iOS apps (Rishi Mukherjee) > 5. Re: Keynote speakers update (Noufal Ibrahim KV) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 00:58:32 +0530 > From: Noufal Ibrahim KV > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update > Message-ID: <87380xuo4f.fsf at nibrahim.net.in> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Fri, Jul 10 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: > > > Is being actively involved in the Python community a pre requisite here? > If > > not, I would suggest Pieter Hintjens, https://twitter.com/hintjens ; > > He is the creator of ZeroMQ and has a very good experience in building > > communities. > > [...] > > Good idea. I'm +1 on this. > > I think Vijay and Krace have a list of people to select from now. :) > > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 09:29:34 +0530 > From: vijay kumar > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update > Message-ID: > < > CAHX9ajTEwLOK0R4qci9CTrq_BSV54UqoQXt9ES9jT8hKiFGuZQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We will start reaching out to them in below order > Mike Bayer > Van Lindberg > Pieter Hintjens > Daniel Greenfeld > Nicholas Tollervey. > Ashwini Oruganti. > > Will update here on developments. > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < > noufal at nibrahim.net.in> > wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 10 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: > > > > > Is being actively involved in the Python community a pre requisite > here? > > If > > > not, I would suggest Pieter Hintjens, https://twitter.com/hintjens ; > > > He is the creator of ZeroMQ and has a very good experience in building > > > communities. > > > > [...] > > > > Good idea. I'm +1 on this. > > > > I think Vijay and Krace have a list of people to select from now. :) > > > > > > -- > > Cordially, > > Noufal > > http://nibrahim.net.in > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Vijay > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20150710/a43b3549/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:07:46 +0530 > From: vijay kumar > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update > Message-ID: > xc18w at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Added Julia Evans > > Mike Bayer > > > Van Lindberg > > Pieter Hintjens > > Daniel Greenfeld > > Nicholas Tollervey. > > Ashwini Oruganti. > > > Julia Evans: http://jvns.ca/ > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20150710/96b57526/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 04:54:49 +0000 > From: Rishi Mukherjee > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: [Inpycon] Pycon India 2015 android and iOS apps > Message-ID: > < > CAMrK4me6uNw8pwGebTpYmQnnrSrmG5RYEC_b_57_TEcwSM0WwA at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi, > > Arindam and I had a meeting with Krace about the development of iOS and > Android apps. Here are some of the important points: > > (Quoting Krace's email after the meeting) > > MoM: > ------ > > - Arindam will lead Android development and Rishi will lead ios > development. > - For Android we will use Java, swift for ios. > - Create GitHub repos and grant access (done) [1], [2]. > - We will have features for schedule, feedback in v1. > - v2 will have options to favourite talks, reminders, edit feedback. > - App has to work in complete offline mode. > - App doesn't require authentication. > - We will use push notifications for indicating change in schedule. > - Come up with dummy static api for schedules. [done] > - Build required apis for devices registration, verification, schedule, > feedback. > - We will use gitter similar to https://gitter.im/pythonindia/junction > - Once we have base setup with build, Arindam or Rishi will drop email > to ML. > - Come up with api structure and share > > Important Timelines > ------------ > > - Repo creation - 27 Jun > - Dummy Schedule - 28 Jun > - Basic Schedule Display - 11 July [iOS done] > - Backend Feedback API - 11 July > - Feedback integration - 25 July > - Testing > - Fix bugs > - Iteration v2 > > > If required we will organise dev sprint and close things. Please add if I > have missed any points. Our backend code is here [3]. > You can use that as base for decision taking like license, readme, > guidelines to contribute. Feel free to suggest :-) > > [1]: https://github.com/pythonindia/PyConIndiaAndroid > [2]: https://github.com/pythonindia/PyConIndiaIOS > [3]: https://github.com/pythonindia/junction > > The design of the schedule was given by Tanay Kumar Bera. Please check the > iOS repo to test it on your device. > > Thanks, > Rishi > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20150710/e3fe3b5f/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 10:26:51 +0530 > From: Noufal Ibrahim KV > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update > Message-ID: <87pp40txt8.fsf at nibrahim.net.in> > Content-Type: text/plain > > > I think Van would be the best option. His talk would be overarching and > not restricted to just a single technical area. > > On Fri, Jul 10 2015, vijay kumar wrote: > > > We will start reaching out to them in below order > > Mike Bayer > > Van Lindberg > > Pieter Hintjens > > Daniel Greenfeld > > Nicholas Tollervey. > > Ashwini Oruganti. > > > > Will update here on developments. > > > > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:58 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < > noufal at nibrahim.net.in> > > wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Jul 10 2015, Indradhanush Gupta wrote: > >> > >> > Is being actively involved in the Python community a pre requisite > here? > >> If > >> > not, I would suggest Pieter Hintjens, https://twitter.com/hintjens ; > >> > He is the creator of ZeroMQ and has a very good experience in building > >> > communities. > >> > >> [...] > >> > >> Good idea. I'm +1 on this. > >> > >> I think Vijay and Krace have a list of people to select from now. :) > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Cordially, > >> Noufal > >> http://nibrahim.net.in > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Inpycon mailing list > >> Inpycon at python.org > >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > >> > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Inpycon Digest, Vol 73, Issue 9 > ************************************** > -- Thanks Shridhar Ivani Ph no-9538620116 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Thu, Jul 9, 2015 at 2:15 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > > On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 10:58 AM, satyaakam goswami > wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 11:18 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We would like to have IRC PyCon India volunteers meeting. >>> >>> Agenda: >>> >>> - Discuss about work required to push Dev Sprint. >>> - Brain storming/Feasibility discussion of having poster session. >>> - Open Space planning. >>> - Sponsorship reach out. >>> >> >> ?What about mini-conf's can Delhi plan for one ?? >> ?in the open session we can have BOF of all the user groups from >> different regions and talk about there experiences in managing communities >> , what works and what does not . I think this one of the most valuable >> things we loose with passing generations.? >> >> >> > Good point. We can have a discussion in open space, probably you can > moderate. > >> >> >> >>> >>> -Satya >>> Satyaakam.net | fossevents.in | >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Kracekumar Ramaraju > http://kracekumar.com > +91 85530 29521 > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From modi.konark at gmail.com Fri Jul 10 20:20:42 2015 From: modi.konark at gmail.com (konark modi) Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2015 20:20:42 +0200 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp40txt8.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Hi We can also reach out to Lynn Root : https://twitter.com/roguelynn , http://www.roguelynn.com/ . Regards Konark On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Shrayas rajagopal wrote: > +1 from me for: > > - Julia Evans > - Mike Bayer > - Pieter Hintjens > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at kracekumar.com Fri Jul 10 21:06:40 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2015 00:36:40 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp40txt8.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:50 PM, konark modi wrote: > Hi > > We can also reach out to Lynn Root : https://twitter.com/roguelynn , > http://www.roguelynn.com/ . > In one of the earlier thread it was mentioned we contacted. She asked more time. 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URL: From me at kracekumar.com Mon Jul 13 23:10:59 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 02:40:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Poster session Message-ID: Hi In our IRC meeting last week we had discussion on poster session. Everyone was interested to have it in conference. We decided to start the conversation in ML to get more suggestions - We will collect & filter poster session proposals similar to CFP. We need to come up with guide lines for it. Can people speak about closed source stuff or about company culture ? - Logistics for the poster session (white board, print outs) ? - Timing for poster session ? How many per day ? - Location for poster session ? Space between Audi 2 and Audi 3 ? Please add any points if I have missed and share your thoughts. 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Let do one day to start with. > - Location for poster session ? Space between Audi 2 and Audi 3 ? > Yes we can use space between Audi 2 and Audi 3. Requesting all to share their views. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Sun Jul 19 20:28:59 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:58:59 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward Message-ID: Hello everyone, I'm writing this email to see what people think of reviving the Python Express project. http://pythonexpress.in/ For those who are new here, let me start with an introduction to Python Express. WHAT IS PYTHON EXPRESS? Python Express is platform to make it easier to coordinate and conduct Python workshops in educational institutions across India. It connects colleges and Python exports for conducting Python trainings. It is a community project and completely managed by volunteers. HISTORY It started as Python Month[1] as part of PyCon India 2013. In 2014, it evolved into Python Express with the idea of running the workshops through out the year[2]. Unfortunately, the project got of paused due to misunderstanding and miscommunication between various people. I think it is time to keep all the differences aside and start planning what to do next. [1]: https://in.pycon.org/2013/python-month/ [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-July/008235.html THE POTENTIAL We've conducted around 200 Python workshops in about 2 months as part of Python Month in 2013. Can we do 1000 workshops in an year? Why not 10,000? If we build the right support structures and improve the process, I'm sure we'll be able to reach there. It is not yet clear what is required to reach there. Probably we need volunteers to coordinate each college, each city etc. Just conducting Python workshops is not enough. We need to make sure it is good quality. We may have to provide resources and/or trainings to the first time trainers. If we conduct one Python workshop, some of the participants gets excited, but that excitement will die off soon. We need to engage them for longer term for any real impact. We need more discussion about this. OTHER NEWS People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and they have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops there. Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. WHAT NEXT? How do we take this forward? Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project That means that the important decisions about the project will be discussed and decided by the PSSI board. Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have the luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if we need to spend some money. I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the project to evolve. What do you think? Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 06:54:47 2015 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:24:47 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Hello everyone, > > OTHER NEWS > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and they > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops there. > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. Great to hear that. > WHAT NEXT? > > How do we take this forward? > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be discussed > and decided by the PSSI board. > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have the > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if we > need to spend some money. > I am also +1 to option 2. We do not only want this just before PyCon India, but as a general platform where community can respond to any requirement. Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From saideepchand.g at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 06:57:44 2015 From: saideepchand.g at gmail.com (Saideep) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:27:44 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I also +1 to option 2. Regards, Sai Deep G On 20 July 2015 at 10:24, Kushal Das wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > OTHER NEWS > > > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and > they > > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops > there. > > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. > > Great to hear that. > > > WHAT NEXT? > > > > How do we take this forward? > > > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be > discussed > > and decided by the PSSI board. > > > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > the > > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if > we > > need to spend some money. > > > I am also +1 to option 2. We do not only want this just before PyCon > India, but as a > general platform where community can respond to any requirement. > > Kushal > -- > Fedora Cloud Engineer > CPython Core Developer > http://kushaldas.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From graghav at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:09:12 2015 From: graghav at gmail.com (raghu) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:39:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: +1 , Option 2 On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > OTHER NEWS > > > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and > they > > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops > there. > > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. > > Great to hear that. > > > WHAT NEXT? > > > > How do we take this forward? > > > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be > discussed > > and decided by the PSSI board. > > > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > the > > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if > we > > need to spend some money. > > > I am also +1 to option 2. We do not only want this just before PyCon > India, but as a > general platform where community can respond to any requirement. > > Kushal > -- > Fedora Cloud Engineer > CPython Core Developer > http://kushaldas.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kushaldas at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:14:04 2015 From: kushaldas at gmail.com (Kushal Das) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:44:04 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Mailing List Guidelines/Etiquette Message-ID: Hi, Please go through [1] to learn more about mailing list etiquette, and do not top post to the replies in the list. [1] http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf Kushal -- Fedora Cloud Engineer CPython Core Developer http://kushaldas.in From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:18:37 2015 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:48:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > THE POTENTIAL > > We've conducted around 200 Python workshops in about 2 months as part of > Python Month in 2013. > > Can we do 1000 workshops in an year? Why not 10,000? The arithmetic would be daunting. Not impossible but it would not be a trivial exercise. > If we build the right support structures and improve the process, I'm sure > we'll be able to reach there. > > It is not yet clear what is required to reach there. Probably we need > volunteers to coordinate each college, each city etc. At that scale, the requirements are not just a multiplier of 200 workshops in 2 months. But you already know that. The question is, what happens once the 10K workshops are done for one year and how to fund at that scale? > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have the > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if we > need to spend some money. > > I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the > project to evolve. What is the charter of the "independent community project"? -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From satyaakam at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 07:20:25 2015 From: satyaakam at gmail.com (satyaakam goswami) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:50:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be > discussed and decided by the PSSI board. > ?Now you are making it sound like this nebulous org which has overgrown itself :-) ,may be it has who knows . Yes PSSI is serving its purpose of running Pycon India event lets keep it running it in whatever form in future.? Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > the luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage > if we need to spend some money. > > I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the > project to evolve. > ?Yes this too can form an org in itself to support the activity .? yeah we should go with option 2 afaik this has been doing good so far . ?thanks -Satya? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ukarkee at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 09:24:03 2015 From: ukarkee at gmail.com (karkee u) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 12:54:03 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 73, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Its a good idea. I am also support option-2. We conducted a seminar on last year (7.9.14) using python express at villupuram (Tamil Nadu). Regards, Karkee.u On 20 Jul 2015 10:40, wrote: > Send Inpycon mailing list submissions to > inpycon at python.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > inpycon-request at python.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > inpycon-owner at python.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Inpycon digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Python Express - Moving Forward (Anand Chitipothu) > 2. Re: Python Express - Moving Forward (Kushal Das) > 3. Re: Python Express - Moving Forward (Saideep) > 4. Re: Python Express - Moving Forward (raghu) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015 23:58:59 +0530 > From: Anand Chitipothu > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward > Message-ID: > < > CAC7wXFydD+aOTZnRU5b4qtZziGu7fRRpO1LeCBecXibrXCnksw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hello everyone, > > I'm writing this email to see what people think of reviving the Python > Express project. > > http://pythonexpress.in/ > > For those who are new here, let me start with an introduction to Python > Express. > > WHAT IS PYTHON EXPRESS? > > Python Express is platform to make it easier to coordinate and conduct > Python workshops in educational institutions across India. It connects > colleges and Python exports for conducting Python trainings. > > It is a community project and completely managed by volunteers. > > HISTORY > > It started as Python Month[1] as part of PyCon India 2013. In 2014, it > evolved into Python Express with the idea of running the workshops through > out the year[2]. > > Unfortunately, the project got of paused due to misunderstanding and > miscommunication between various people. > > I think it is time to keep all the differences aside and start planning > what to do next. > > [1]: https://in.pycon.org/2013/python-month/ > [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-July/008235.html > > THE POTENTIAL > > We've conducted around 200 Python workshops in about 2 months as part of > Python Month in 2013. > > Can we do 1000 workshops in an year? Why not 10,000? > > If we build the right support structures and improve the process, I'm sure > we'll be able to reach there. > > It is not yet clear what is required to reach there. Probably we need > volunteers to coordinate each college, each city etc. > > Just conducting Python workshops is not enough. We need to make sure it is > good quality. We may have to provide resources and/or trainings to the > first time trainers. > > If we conduct one Python workshop, some of the participants gets excited, > but that excitement will die off soon. We need to engage them for longer > term for any real impact. We need more discussion about this. > > OTHER NEWS > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and they > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops there. > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. > > WHAT NEXT? > > How do we take this forward? > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be discussed > and decided by the PSSI board. > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have the > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if we > need to spend some money. > > I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the > project to evolve. > > What do you think? > > Anand > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20150719/a278e3eb/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:24:47 +0530 > From: Kushal Das > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward > Message-ID: > < > CAAzeMbzqzhNLKR-Kgth7f9zN5AwDZW3QDKRpB9NoYsOW8m_BZQ at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > OTHER NEWS > > > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and > they > > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops > there. > > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. > > Great to hear that. > > > WHAT NEXT? > > > > How do we take this forward? > > > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be > discussed > > and decided by the PSSI board. > > > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > the > > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if > we > > need to spend some money. > > > I am also +1 to option 2. We do not only want this just before PyCon > India, but as a > general platform where community can respond to any requirement. > > Kushal > -- > Fedora Cloud Engineer > CPython Core Developer > http://kushaldas.in > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:27:44 +0530 > From: Saideep > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward > Message-ID: > gzmGtAyqCMHhsmQYoq1LdwrGRKVM1hoLc0x1g at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I also +1 to option 2. > > Regards, > Sai Deep G > > On 20 July 2015 at 10:24, Kushal Das wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu > > > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > OTHER NEWS > > > > > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and > > they > > > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops > > there. > > > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. > > > > Great to hear that. > > > > > WHAT NEXT? > > > > > > How do we take this forward? > > > > > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > > > > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be > > discussed > > > and decided by the PSSI board. > > > > > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > > > > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > > the > > > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage > if > > we > > > need to spend some money. > > > > > I am also +1 to option 2. We do not only want this just before PyCon > > India, but as a > > general platform where community can respond to any requirement. > > > > Kushal > > -- > > Fedora Cloud Engineer > > CPython Core Developer > > http://kushaldas.in > > _______________________________________________ > > Inpycon mailing list > > Inpycon at python.org > > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/attachments/20150720/8432454d/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 10:39:12 +0530 > From: raghu > To: Mailing list for the PyCon India conference > Subject: Re: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward > Message-ID: > 3pr5svijNcmzoHigZBTE01fw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > +1 , Option 2 > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Kushal Das wrote: > > > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu > > > wrote: > > > Hello everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > OTHER NEWS > > > > > > People at Python Ireland got very interested about Python Express and > > they > > > have forked the repo and planning to use it for conducting workshops > > there. > > > Thanks to Haris Ibrahim for introducing it to them. > > > > Great to hear that. > > > > > WHAT NEXT? > > > > > > How do we take this forward? > > > > > > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project > > > > > > That means that the important decisions about the project will be > > discussed > > > and decided by the PSSI board. > > > > > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > > > > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > > the > > > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage > if > > we > > > need to spend some money. > > > > > I am also +1 to option 2. 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URL: From ten.kunkyab at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 09:28:21 2015 From: ten.kunkyab at gmail.com (Tenzin Kunkyab) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 12:58:21 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Inpycon Digest, Vol 73, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Don't want to be rude, but you have to learn a little bit about Mail etiquette[1]. Good day to you. [1] http://www.shakthimaan.com/downloads/glv/presentations/mailing-list-etiquette.pdf Regards, Tenzin Kunkyab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nitin.nitp at gmail.com Mon Jul 20 10:22:57 2015 From: nitin.nitp at gmail.com (Nitin Kumar) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2015 13:52:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apart from these things, shouldn't we also clean up pythonexpress issues/pull on github. 10 open pull request are there. Many of them are type fix types which can easily be merged https://github.com/anandology/broadgauge/pulls Nitin Kr On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:50 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote: > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project >> >> That means that the important decisions about the project will be >> discussed and decided by the PSSI board. >> > > ?Now you are making it sound like this nebulous org which has overgrown > itself :-) ,may be it has who knows . Yes PSSI is serving its purpose of > running Pycon India event lets keep it running it in whatever form in > future.? > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project >> >> This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have >> the luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage >> if we need to spend some money. >> >> I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the >> project to evolve. >> > > ?Yes this too can form an org in itself to support the activity .? yeah we > should go with option 2 afaik this has been doing good so far . > > ?thanks > -Satya? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 05:42:11 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:12:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, sankarshan wrote: > On Sun, Jul 19, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > > THE POTENTIAL > > > > We've conducted around 200 Python workshops in about 2 months as part of > > Python Month in 2013. > > > > Can we do 1000 workshops in an year? Why not 10,000? > > The arithmetic would be daunting. Not impossible but it would not be a > trivial exercise. > > > If we build the right support structures and improve the process, I'm > sure > > we'll be able to reach there. > > > > It is not yet clear what is required to reach there. Probably we need > > volunteers to coordinate each college, each city etc. > > At that scale, the requirements are not just a multiplier of 200 > workshops in 2 months. But you already know that. The question is, > what happens once the 10K workshops are done for one year and how to > fund at that scale? > That is a good problem to worry about. But with the small scale of about 50-100 workshops/month we can start with no money involved model that we have used for Python Month and slowly evolve into paying some small honorarium to workshop trainers to cover travel and other minor expenses. There are multiple options for funding. We can approach PSSI or PSF for funding. Sponsorships could be other option, but too early to worry about. > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > > > > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have > the > > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if > we > > need to spend some money. > > > > I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the > > project to evolve. > > What is the charter of the "independent community project"? > It would very unstructured I guess. People discuss in a mailing list and make decisions. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 05:46:43 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:16:43 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:50 AM, satyaakam goswami wrote: > Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project >> >> That means that the important decisions about the project will be >> discussed and decided by the PSSI board. >> > > ?Now you are making it sound like this nebulous org which has overgrown > itself :-) ,may be it has who knows . Yes PSSI is serving its purpose of > running Pycon India event lets keep it running it in whatever form in > future.? > Well, there are overhead when you are an organisation. You have to be very careful about every penny you spend, requires lot of book keeping to please the auditors. Also, any mistake happens, the reputation of PSSI will be at stake, we need to extra careful. I think these things will be too much overhead when the project is small. Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project >> >> This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have >> the luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage >> if we need to spend some money. >> >> I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for the >> project to evolve. >> > > ?Yes this too can form an org in itself to support the activity .? yeah we > should go with option 2 afaik this has been doing good so far . > If it grows that much, then we can worry about bringing it under the umbrella of PSSI. May be we don't need that many organisations. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Jul 22 05:52:50 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:22:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: (Anand Chitipothu's message of "Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:16:43 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87r3o0rgq5.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Something (anything) happening is better than the current state of limbo python express is in. My opinion is that you Anand simply go ahead with the project as you see fit involving as many people as you can and do course corrections as necessary. I don't think there's much value to be gained from trying to discuss numbers and details up front. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sree at mahiti.org Wed Jul 22 05:52:07 2015 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 09:22:07 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 July 2015 at 09:16, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:50 AM, satyaakam goswami > wrote: > >> Option 1 - Let Python Express run as a PSSI project >>> >>> That means that the important decisions about the project will be >>> discussed and decided by the PSSI board. >>> >> >> ?Now you are making it sound like this nebulous org which has overgrown >> itself :-) ,may be it has who knows . Yes PSSI is serving its purpose of >> running Pycon India event lets keep it running it in whatever form in >> future.? >> > > Well, there are overhead when you are an organisation. You have to be very > careful about every penny you spend, requires lot of book keeping to please > the auditors. Also, any mistake happens, the reputation of PSSI will be at > stake, we need to extra careful. > > I think these things will be too much overhead when the project is small. > > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project >>> >>> This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have >>> the luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage >>> if we need to spend some money. >>> >>> I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for >>> the project to evolve. >>> >> >> ?Yes this too can form an org in itself to support the activity .? yeah >> we should go with option 2 afaik this has been doing good so far . >> > > If it grows that much, then we can worry about bringing it under the > umbrella of PSSI. May be we don't need that many organisations. > We have been doing such workshops in runup for PyCon India since 2010. I feel it should be a PSSI promoted project if we are serious about scaling it to 50+ workshops - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 06:39:39 2015 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:09:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, sankarshan > wrote: >> At that scale, the requirements are not just a multiplier of 200 >> workshops in 2 months. But you already know that. The question is, >> what happens once the 10K workshops are done for one year and how to >> fund at that scale? > > > That is a good problem to worry about. But with the small scale of about > 50-100 workshops/month we can start with no money involved model that we > have used for Python Month and slowly evolve into paying some small > honorarium to workshop trainers to cover travel and other minor expenses. > There are multiple options for funding. We can approach PSSI or PSF for > funding. Sponsorships could be other option, but too early to worry about. If you do feel that the progress forward on this topic would be via an independent community project which draws upon multiple available sources for funding, then I would think it would be prudent to move ahead without much by way of discussion. For what it is worth, "as part of PSSI" or, "under the PSSI umbrella" aren't absolute mandates to pull this off. Although they may provide a structured manner to handle and disburse funds (and this I am purely speculating from the perspective of 'existing organizations have standard flows for inbound and outbound requests'). >> > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project >> > >> > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and have >> > the >> > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage if >> > we >> > need to spend some money. >> > >> > I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for >> > the >> > project to evolve. >> >> What is the charter of the "independent community project"? > > > It would very unstructured I guess. People discuss in a mailing list and > make decisions. *This* is the part which is slightly puzzling. If you are planning big, you shouldn't bet against that growth. In other words, if the goal is audacious, then you should do absolutely everything necessary to ensure that the extraneous parts of the goal (organization structure, fund flows, trainer selection) are watertight and well grounded. I comprehend the thought process behind the unstructured aspect of the project, my take is that it would be an impediment in the long term. All said, thank you for taking time to respond and participate in the conversation. I appreciate it. It was incredibly surprising to note the Python Ireland news. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From anandology at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 06:49:12 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:19:12 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:09 AM, sankarshan wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: > > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 10:48 AM, sankarshan < > foss.mailinglists at gmail.com> > > wrote: > > >> At that scale, the requirements are not just a multiplier of 200 > >> workshops in 2 months. But you already know that. The question is, > >> what happens once the 10K workshops are done for one year and how to > >> fund at that scale? > > > > > > That is a good problem to worry about. But with the small scale of about > > 50-100 workshops/month we can start with no money involved model that we > > have used for Python Month and slowly evolve into paying some small > > honorarium to workshop trainers to cover travel and other minor expenses. > > There are multiple options for funding. We can approach PSSI or PSF for > > funding. Sponsorships could be other option, but too early to worry > about. > > If you do feel that the progress forward on this topic would be via an > independent community project which draws upon multiple available > sources for funding, then I would think it would be prudent to move > ahead without much by way of discussion. For what it is worth, "as > part of PSSI" or, "under the PSSI umbrella" aren't absolute mandates > to pull this off. Although they may provide a structured manner to > handle and disburse funds (and this I am purely speculating from the > perspective of 'existing organizations have standard flows for inbound > and outbound requests'). > My only worry is that going with PSSI impose too much structure that it adds unnecessary burden. Instead of worrying about how to spend money and book keeping, we can give something like a small honorarium to workshop speakers and let them manage buying stickers, travel expenses instead of we managing the expenses. I'm sure we can come up with lot of innovative ideas to keep these kind of overheads low. >> > Option 2 - Let Python Express evolve as independent community project > >> > > >> > This means Python Express can make decisions freely, move fast and > have > >> > the > >> > luxury of making mistakes once in a while. Also much easier to manage > if > >> > we > >> > need to spend some money. > >> > > >> > I'm very much in favour of #2 because that gives lot more freedom for > >> > the > >> > project to evolve. > >> > >> What is the charter of the "independent community project"? > > > > > > It would very unstructured I guess. People discuss in a mailing list and > > make decisions. > > *This* is the part which is slightly puzzling. If you are planning > big, you shouldn't bet against that growth. In other words, if the > goal is audacious, then you should do absolutely everything necessary > to ensure that the extraneous parts of the goal (organization > structure, fund flows, trainer selection) are watertight and well > grounded. I comprehend the thought process behind the unstructured > aspect of the project, my take is that it would be an impediment in > the long term. > My point here is I don't to decide a structure and impose on the volunteers. Lets discuss and come up with a structure that sounds reasonable to every one. I think building the structure is also part of the project and that'll evolve as we go ahead. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 06:58:20 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:28:20 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > On 22 July 2015 at 09:39, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > >> We've already tried that and failed. I don't see a point in repeating it >> again. > > > What has failed? > PSSI has officially declared in the AGM that it doesn't have confidence that the Python Express/Month can run for entire year. Also, I see PSSI as a legal framework that allows us to take sponsorships and spend money. Everything else is community. As long as there is no need to take sponsorships and spend that large amounts of money, I don't see need to take support of PSSI, esp. when there are overheads involved. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Wed Jul 22 07:07:25 2015 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:37:25 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 22 July 2015 at 10:28, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > PSSI has officially declared in the AGM that it doesn't have confidence > that the Python Express/Month can run for entire year. > No. Not sure of this. There were discussions around the name as the transition from "Python Month" to "Python Express" happened with out much of discussion with the volunteers involved. > > Also, I see PSSI as a legal framework that allows us to take sponsorships > and spend money. Everything else is community. > Exactly. Hence I feel it should be PSSI promoted community event. We will need financial support in one way or the other. And we need to bring in structure to it to make it run sustainably ( as its being done from 2010). - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. An ISO 9001:2008 & ISO 27001:2013 Enterprise Phone: +91 80 4905 8444 Mobile: +91 98455 12611 www.mahiti.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From shreyasvj at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:10:15 2015 From: shreyasvj at gmail.com (Shreyas Joshi) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:40:15 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One thought here - will collaborations not help? The reason I say this is that I'm also a volunteer with IEEE Bangalore Section which conducts technical activities in colleges through their respective student branches in colleges. Last year, I had helped a couple of colleges in conducting python workshops by connecting them with volunteers from here. And there has been a constant demand for the same workshop this year too. The way it works there, is that the student branch hosting the workshop is responsible for providing travel and accomodation to speakers. The student branches are funded by IEEE Bangalore section for conducting activities. Maybe this can be explored. Thanks Shreyas On Jul 22, 2015 10:44 AM, "Anand Chitipothu" wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 9:46 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > wrote: > >> >> On 22 July 2015 at 09:39, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> >>> We've already tried that and failed. I don't see a point in repeating it >>> again. >> >> >> What has failed? >> > > PSSI has officially declared in the AGM that it doesn't have confidence > that the Python Express/Month can run for entire year. > > Also, I see PSSI as a legal framework that allows us to take sponsorships > and spend money. Everything else is community. > > As long as there is no need to take sponsorships and spend that large > amounts of money, I don't see need to take support of PSSI, esp. when there > are overheads involved. > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Jul 22 07:13:10 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:43:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: (Sreekanth S. Rameshaiah's message of "Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:37:25 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Wed, Jul 22 2015, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: [...] > No. Not sure of this. There were discussions around the name as the > transition from "Python Month" to "Python Express" happened with out > much of discussion with the volunteers involved. [...] Let's not rehash all this and start off with a clean slate. All of us agree that a framework to conduct workshops is a good thing. Anand is willing to put energy behind it and drive it. I say +1. If any issues come up, we'll deal with them then. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sree at mahiti.org Wed Jul 22 07:17:53 2015 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 10:47:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 22 July 2015 at 10:43, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > All of us agree that a framework to conduct workshops is a good > thing. Anand is willing to put energy behind it and drive it. I say +1. > If any issues come up, we'll deal with them then. > +1. But all these years we did this as a community, so let it continue to be a group of volunteer driven initiative. Let PSSI support where ever financial support or formal infrastructure is required(if and when required). - sree -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 07:43:28 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 11:13:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > On 22 July 2015 at 10:43, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > >> All of us agree that a framework to conduct workshops is a good >> thing. Anand is willing to put energy behind it and drive it. I say +1. >> If any issues come up, we'll deal with them then. >> > > +1. But all these years we did this as a community, so let it continue to > be a group of volunteer driven initiative. Let PSSI support where ever > financial support or formal infrastructure is required(if and when > required). > Thats my point too. Lets continue as volunteer driven initiative without having to be "a PSSI project" with support from PSSI as and when required. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Jul 22 18:46:27 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2015 22:16:27 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Just a few thoughts. Firstly, I was a lead volunteer who co-ordinated all regional states in India for Python Month in 2013 and AFAIK, there were not more than 50 workshops that year and I see there are 26 more workshops registered in Pythonexpress website for 2014. So I think you missed on the numbers on workshops conducted. Secondly, for your #1 on PSSI project, I don't think PSSI board is the decision taker. For example,PyCon India is one of the PSSI project and it is run by volunteers. Any important decision is discussed in mailing list and the decision is made based on volunteers suggestions. Board members involved in executing PyCon India does not imply that PyCon India is executed by PSSI Board. We are few individuals who are volunteers for PyCon India well before we became PSSI board members. Likewise, python express would also be discussed and decided. Its a community effort and decisions impact the entire community. I don't agree with the definition provided for PSSI Project. I volunteered for python month in 2013 where u were part of that as well. Even you are one of the PSSI member. We do volunteer with our own interest which cannot be mixed with PSSI. PSSI agreed to support financially [1] and came up with policies on reimbursement [2] says enough that this project was accepted by PSSI. Just to remind you, PSSI accepted pythonexpress in AGM. You had mentioned that you would come up with a plan on how to proceed with it which PSSI members are still waiting on. I remember in AGM one member volunteered for first 3 months and there was no follow ups happened further and I did not see any actions after that discussion. PSSI can only support financially and request volunteers to help. Efforts of running a project should be taken by a volunteer co-ordinator and I see that is missing with pythonexpress. Python month and python express is run by volunteer and I would like it to continue as it is without involving any individual's personal vision or personal interests [3][4] overtaking volunteer feedback/suggestion. it is just the matter of effort from volunteers for the whole year. As long as there is someone to co-ordinate all the workshops and maintain decorum everyone including PSSI will be fine. This same discussion is brought up in many forums in many different ways but have not taken project any further. Request you to look for volunteers to get started with things. I would have been happy to see detailed plan in email which you have kept on saying to all to move forward. [1]:https://pssi.org.in/pymonth/ [2] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-July/000094.html [3]https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008457.html [4] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-July/000094.html On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah > wrote: > >> >> On 22 July 2015 at 10:43, Noufal Ibrahim KV >> wrote: >> >>> All of us agree that a framework to conduct workshops is a good >>> thing. Anand is willing to put energy behind it and drive it. I say +1. >>> If any issues come up, we'll deal with them then. >>> >> >> +1. But all these years we did this as a community, so let it continue to >> be a group of volunteer driven initiative. Let PSSI support where ever >> financial support or formal infrastructure is required(if and when >> required). >> > > Thats my point too. Lets continue as volunteer driven initiative without > having to be "a PSSI project" with support from PSSI as and when required. > > Anand > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Any important decision is discussed in mailing list and the > decision is made based on volunteers suggestions. > Board members involved in executing PyCon India does not imply that PyCon > India is executed by PSSI Board. We are few individuals who are volunteers > for PyCon India well before we became PSSI board members. > > Likewise, python express would also be discussed and decided. Its a > community effort and decisions impact the entire community. I don't agree > with the definition provided for PSSI Project. > I volunteered for python month in 2013 where u were part of that as well. > Even you are one of the PSSI member. We do volunteer with our own interest > which cannot be mixed with PSSI. > > PSSI agreed to support financially [1] and came up with policies on > reimbursement [2] says enough that this project was accepted by PSSI. > > Just to remind you, PSSI accepted pythonexpress in AGM. You had mentioned > that you would come up with a plan on how to proceed with it which PSSI > members are still waiting on. I remember in AGM one member volunteered for > first 3 months and there was no follow ups happened further and I did not > see any actions after that discussion. PSSI can only support financially > and request volunteers to help. Efforts of running a project should be > taken by a volunteer co-ordinator and I see that is missing with > pythonexpress. > > Python month and python express is run by volunteer and I would like it to > continue as it is without involving any individual's personal vision or > personal interests [3][4] overtaking volunteer feedback/suggestion. > > it is just the matter of effort from volunteers for the whole year. > As long as there is someone to co-ordinate all the workshops and maintain > decorum everyone including PSSI will be fine. > > This same discussion is brought up in many forums in many different ways > but have not taken project any further. Request you to look for volunteers > to get started with things. > > I would have been happy to see detailed plan in email which you have kept > on saying to all to move forward. > We are getting into same discussion again and again without any progress. It was a community project and it'll continue be a community project driven by volunteers. As I've already mentioned I see PSSI as a legal framework for taking sponsorships and managing large amounts of money. Everything else is community. Also, spending money from PSSI is very hard. It requires too much book keeping, too much of writing your detailed plan before doing any real work. Lot of times, it tries to design policies to stop bad people from doing bad things instead of making it easy for good people to do things. I've tried a lot in the part to correct that by suggesting in the mailing list, but it could hardly make any difference. There was a recent discussion in PSF that someone raised an issue that a grant given by PSF much larger than what is required for a workshop. It was a great discussion and let me quote one of the responses: ... But I believe it is very important we trust our people to as being part > of healthy community. and that's what I love about Python community . > Scrutinizing for just few dollars may demotivated people . Let's help > people at our capacity and let them decide what they wann do . That is really great. We should design things for good people. Even if there are couple of mismanagements, that is probably okay in the grand scheme of things. Lets see the discussions [1], [2] and [3] to get a sense of how hard it is to get stuff from PSSI. [1]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-December/000294.html [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-November/000263.html [3]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html You could say, PSSI is all of us and I should try to improve that. With the skills and interests that I have, I think I'm better suited for working on things like Python Express. 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Am not clear what you mean > > Lets see the discussions [1], [2] and [3] to get a sense of how hard it is > to get stuff from PSSI. > > [1]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-December/000294.html > [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-November/000263.html > [3]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html > > What did you see hard in this. > With the skills and interests that I have, I think I'm better suited for > working on things like Python Express. > > Not clear what you mean by this. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at kracekumar.com Thu Jul 23 18:55:06 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 22:25:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: +1 for PSSI project. Earlier replies suggests the concept was started in 2010 and now trying to create a new organization looks like hijacking. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:24 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > Also, spending money from PSSI is very hard. > > Am not clear what you mean > >> >> Lets see the discussions [1], [2] and [3] to get a sense of how hard it >> is to get stuff from PSSI. >> >> [1]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-December/000294.html >> [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-November/000263.html >> [3]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html >> >> What did you see hard in this. > > >> With the skills and interests that I have, I think I'm better suited for >> working on things like Python Express. >> >> Not clear what you mean by this. > > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Nicholas is software engineer, classically trained musician, philosophy graduate, teacher and writer. He has authored Python in Education [1] and co-authored Learning jQuery Deferreds [2] and Getting Started with Fluidinfo [3]. He is a fellow at PSF. He is one of organizers of PyCon UK. He goes by the handle ntoll [4] in twitter. Help me welcome him. [1]: http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp [2]: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920030508.do [3]: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920020738.do [4]: https://twitter.com/ntoll On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:50 PM, konark modi > wrote: > >> Hi >> >> We can also reach out to Lynn Root : https://twitter.com/roguelynn , >> http://www.roguelynn.com/ . >> > > In one of the earlier thread it was mentioned we contacted. She asked more > time. We are waiting on her. > > >> >> Regards >> Konark >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Shrayas rajagopal >> wrote: >> >>> +1 from me for: >>> >>> - Julia Evans >>> - Mike Bayer >>> - Pieter Hintjens >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Inpycon mailing list >> Inpycon at python.org >> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >> >> > > > -- > Regards > Kracekumar Ramaraju > http://kracekumar.com > +91 85530 29521 > -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Thu Jul 23 20:08:35 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:38:35 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: (Kracekumar Ramaraju's message of "Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:34:38 +0530") References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp40txt8.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87y4i6n3vg.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Awesome! On Thu, Jul 23 2015, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > We're happy to announce our second Keynote speaker Nicholas H.Tollervey. > > Nicholas is software engineer, classically trained musician, philosophy > graduate, teacher and writer. He has authored Python in Education [1] and > co-authored Learning jQuery Deferreds [2] and Getting Started with > Fluidinfo [3]. > He is a fellow at PSF. He is one of organizers of PyCon UK. He goes by the > handle ntoll [4] in twitter. > > Help me welcome him. > > [1]: http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp > [2]: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920030508.do > [3]: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920020738.do > [4]: https://twitter.com/ntoll > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju > wrote: > >> >> >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:50 PM, konark modi >> wrote: >> >>> Hi >>> >>> We can also reach out to Lynn Root : https://twitter.com/roguelynn , >>> http://www.roguelynn.com/ . >>> >> >> In one of the earlier thread it was mentioned we contacted. She asked more >> time. We are waiting on her. >> >> >>> >>> Regards >>> Konark >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Shrayas rajagopal >>> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 from me for: >>>> >>>> - Julia Evans >>>> - Mike Bayer >>>> - Pieter Hintjens >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Inpycon mailing list >>>> Inpycon at python.org >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Inpycon mailing list >>> Inpycon at python.org >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Regards >> Kracekumar Ramaraju >> http://kracekumar.com >> +91 85530 29521 >> -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From ssg.bnv at gmail.com Thu Jul 23 20:19:06 2015 From: ssg.bnv at gmail.com (Shanki Singh Gandhi) Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 23:49:06 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: <87y4i6n3vg.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp40txt8.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87y4i6n3vg.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: Great! On 23 Jul 2015 23:37, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" wrote: > > Awesome! > > On Thu, Jul 23 2015, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > > We're happy to announce our second Keynote speaker Nicholas H.Tollervey. > > > > Nicholas is software engineer, classically trained musician, philosophy > > graduate, teacher and writer. He has authored Python in Education [1] and > > co-authored Learning jQuery Deferreds [2] and Getting Started with > > Fluidinfo [3]. > > He is a fellow at PSF. He is one of organizers of PyCon UK. He goes by > the > > handle ntoll [4] in twitter. > > > > Help me welcome him. > > > > [1]: http://www.oreilly.com/programming/free/python-in-education.csp > > [2]: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920030508.do > > [3]: http://shop.oreilly.com/product/0636920020738.do > > [4]: https://twitter.com/ntoll > > > > > > On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 12:36 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju > > > wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 11:50 PM, konark modi > >> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi > >>> > >>> We can also reach out to Lynn Root : https://twitter.com/roguelynn , > >>> http://www.roguelynn.com/ . > >>> > >> > >> In one of the earlier thread it was mentioned we contacted. She asked > more > >> time. We are waiting on her. > >> > >> > >>> > >>> Regards > >>> Konark > >>> > >>> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Shrayas rajagopal < > shrayasr at gmail.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> +1 from me for: > >>>> > >>>> - Julia Evans > >>>> - Mike Bayer > >>>> - Pieter Hintjens > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Inpycon mailing list > >>>> Inpycon at python.org > >>>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > >>>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Inpycon mailing list > >>> Inpycon at python.org > >>> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Regards > >> Kracekumar Ramaraju > >> http://kracekumar.com > >> +91 85530 29521 > >> > > -- > Cordially, > Noufal > http://nibrahim.net.in > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:24:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <87mvymokqn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mvymokqn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 23 July 2015 at 22:48, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > +1 for something actually happening and people benefiting from > workshops rather than being in limbo like this. I second this. It is natural for people to have a personal interest in projects where they might contribute more because they are passionate about it. I don't see that as a reason for discouraging anyone, and also especially since we all know the potential of something like Python Express. I think if Anand is interested in driving the project, then he should. Have a plan of action and then ask for volunteers. People who are interested in helping out will raise their hands. Also, following the thread, I still feel the distinction between the option1 and option2 that was made at the beginning is still unclear. What would anyone have to do differently if a Python project they are working passionately on needs to be branded as a PSSI project? And what benefits will that have? People (referred to as community) who want to help out will help out. Those "people" include the PSSI members, board members and interested volunteers. To add to that, it would seem PSSI has declared its support already in terms of helping out financially. What is the *actual* blocker here? -- Haris Ibrahim K. V. http://sosaysharis.wordpress.com @harisibrahimkv From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 04:03:53 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:33:53 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:25 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > +1 for PSSI project. Earlier replies suggests the concept was started in > 2010 and now trying to create a new organization looks like hijacking. > I'm not suggesting to create a new organization. I'm only suggesting to get away from organizational overheads. I think I've already made my point very clear. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 04:20:10 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 07:50:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mvymokqn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote: > On 23 July 2015 at 22:48, Noufal Ibrahim KV > wrote: > > > > +1 for something actually happening and people benefiting from > > workshops rather than being in limbo like this. > > I second this. It is natural for people to have a personal interest in > projects where they might contribute more because they are passionate > about it. I don't see that as a reason for discouraging anyone, and > also especially since we all know the potential of something like > Python Express. > > I think if Anand is interested in driving the project, then he should. > Have a plan of action and then ask for volunteers. People who are > interested in helping out will raise their hands. > > Also, following the thread, I still feel the distinction between the > option1 and option2 that was made at the beginning is still unclear. > What would anyone have to do differently if a Python project they are > working passionately on needs to be branded as a PSSI project? And > what benefits will that have? People (referred to as community) who > want to help out will help out. Those "people" include the PSSI > members, board members and interested volunteers. > > To add to that, it would seem PSSI has declared its support already in > terms of helping out financially. > > What is the *actual* blocker here? The blocker I think is some people want it to be a PSSI project. What does it mean is not very clear to me, but I'm very scared of that idea given the past experiences. If you want to run a mini conference, PSSI requires you to write down a detailed proposal, make sure you have great internet connectivity, write down detailed budget plans and marketing plans. If you want to do workshops, PSSI decides where to buy stickers. I don't understand why PSSI want to own and control things? Shouldn't it just step aside, let diverse ideas evolve and support them whenever possible? I want to focus on doing Python workshops. Not on debating 2 days about where to buy stickers. I say "I" because I'm committing my time. If people think that hijacking I can't help. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 04:30:28 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:00:28 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mvymokqn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. > wrote: > >> On 23 July 2015 at 22:48, Noufal Ibrahim KV >> wrote: >> > >> > +1 for something actually happening and people benefiting from >> > workshops rather than being in limbo like this. >> >> I second this. It is natural for people to have a personal interest in >> projects where they might contribute more because they are passionate >> about it. I don't see that as a reason for discouraging anyone, and >> also especially since we all know the potential of something like >> Python Express. >> >> I think if Anand is interested in driving the project, then he should. >> Have a plan of action and then ask for volunteers. People who are >> interested in helping out will raise their hands. >> >> Also, following the thread, I still feel the distinction between the >> option1 and option2 that was made at the beginning is still unclear. >> What would anyone have to do differently if a Python project they are >> working passionately on needs to be branded as a PSSI project? And >> what benefits will that have? People (referred to as community) who >> want to help out will help out. Those "people" include the PSSI >> members, board members and interested volunteers. >> >> To add to that, it would seem PSSI has declared its support already in >> terms of helping out financially. >> >> What is the *actual* blocker here? > > > The blocker I think is some people want it to be a PSSI project. What does > it mean is not very clear to me, but I'm very scared of that idea given the > past experiences. > > If you want to run a mini conference, PSSI requires you to write down a > detailed proposal, make sure you have great internet connectivity, write > down detailed budget plans and marketing plans. If you want to do > workshops, PSSI decides where to buy stickers. > > I don't understand why PSSI want to own and control things? Shouldn't it > just step aside, let diverse ideas evolve and support them whenever > possible? > > I want to focus on doing Python workshops. Not on debating 2 days about > where to buy stickers. I say "I" because I'm committing my time. If people > think that hijacking I can't help. > To put it in other words, IMHO it requires lot of decentralization to make the Python Express project succeed and scale. PSSI, so far has been trying to make central decisions and keep control of everything it does. I just don't think Python Express can succeed in the shade of PSSI. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From blucalvin at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 05:24:24 2015 From: blucalvin at gmail.com (Haris Ibrahim K. V.) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 08:54:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mvymokqn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 24 July 2015 at 08:00, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Anand Chitipothu > wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. >> wrote: >>> >>> On 23 July 2015 at 22:48, Noufal Ibrahim KV >>> wrote: >>> > >>> > +1 for something actually happening and people benefiting from >>> > workshops rather than being in limbo like this. >>> >>> I second this. It is natural for people to have a personal interest in >>> projects where they might contribute more because they are passionate >>> about it. I don't see that as a reason for discouraging anyone, and >>> also especially since we all know the potential of something like >>> Python Express. >>> >>> I think if Anand is interested in driving the project, then he should. >>> Have a plan of action and then ask for volunteers. People who are >>> interested in helping out will raise their hands. >>> >>> Also, following the thread, I still feel the distinction between the >>> option1 and option2 that was made at the beginning is still unclear. >>> What would anyone have to do differently if a Python project they are >>> working passionately on needs to be branded as a PSSI project? And >>> what benefits will that have? People (referred to as community) who >>> want to help out will help out. Those "people" include the PSSI >>> members, board members and interested volunteers. >>> >>> To add to that, it would seem PSSI has declared its support already in >>> terms of helping out financially. >>> >>> What is the *actual* blocker here? >> >> >> The blocker I think is some people want it to be a PSSI project. What does >> it mean is not very clear to me, but I'm very scared of that idea given the >> past experiences. >> >> If you want to run a mini conference, PSSI requires you to write down a >> detailed proposal, make sure you have great internet connectivity, write >> down detailed budget plans and marketing plans. If you want to do workshops, >> PSSI decides where to buy stickers. >> >> I don't understand why PSSI want to own and control things? Shouldn't it >> just step aside, let diverse ideas evolve and support them whenever >> possible? >> >> I want to focus on doing Python workshops. Not on debating 2 days about >> where to buy stickers. I say "I" because I'm committing my time. If people >> think that hijacking I can't help. > > > To put it in other words, IMHO it requires lot of decentralization to make > the Python Express project succeed and scale. PSSI, so far has been trying > to make central decisions and keep control of everything it does. > > I just don't think Python Express can succeed in the shade of PSSI. As much as I think PSSI's attitude should be "Hey, you seem to be doing some nice Python community work, can we help in any way to make it better?", I believe there is a good reason why PSSI has the current structure in place. It must have come from the concerned policy makers' experience in dealing with people face to face on-ground, and as such, I wouldn't blame it. Having said that, I don't think *some people* wanting it to be a PSSI project is a real blocker for you to proceed, Anand. Is it? I see the current situation as more or less like how Bangpypers evolved last year when Krace took personal interest in it and scaled it up. There needn't be discussions for every topic of workshops, or every company where it is being hosted each month. That'll be very weary. So I think what would be best now is for you to start executing. I am sure every project will have its share of supporters and opposers, for whatever reason. -- Haris Ibrahim K. V. http://sosaysharis.wordpress.com @harisibrahimkv From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 06:10:58 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (Vijay Bang) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 09:40:58 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87mvymokqn.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <21E9D45E-13B1-490F-AF9F-82A27CEFC121@gmail.com> > On 24-Jul-2015, at 08:54, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote: > >> On 24 July 2015 at 08:00, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:50 AM, Anand Chitipothu >> wrote: >>> >>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 7:24 AM, Haris Ibrahim K. V. >>> wrote: >>>> >>>> On 23 July 2015 at 22:48, Noufal Ibrahim KV >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> +1 for something actually happening and people benefiting from >>>>> workshops rather than being in limbo like this. >>>> >>>> I second this. It is natural for people to have a personal interest in >>>> projects where they might contribute more because they are passionate >>>> about it. I don't see that as a reason for discouraging anyone, and >>>> also especially since we all know the potential of something like >>>> Python Express. >>>> >>>> I think if Anand is interested in driving the project, then he should. >>>> Have a plan of action and then ask for volunteers. People who are >>>> interested in helping out will raise their hands. >>>> >>>> Also, following the thread, I still feel the distinction between the >>>> option1 and option2 that was made at the beginning is still unclear. >>>> What would anyone have to do differently if a Python project they are >>>> working passionately on needs to be branded as a PSSI project? And >>>> what benefits will that have? People (referred to as community) who >>>> want to help out will help out. Those "people" include the PSSI >>>> members, board members and interested volunteers. >>>> >>>> To add to that, it would seem PSSI has declared its support already in >>>> terms of helping out financially. >>>> >>>> What is the *actual* blocker here? >>> >>> >>> The blocker I think is some people want it to be a PSSI project. What does >>> it mean is not very clear to me, but I'm very scared of that idea given the >>> past experiences. >>> >>> If you want to run a mini conference, PSSI requires you to write down a >>> detailed proposal, make sure you have great internet connectivity, write >>> down detailed budget plans and marketing plans. If you want to do workshops, >>> PSSI decides where to buy stickers. >>> >>> I don't understand why PSSI want to own and control things? Shouldn't it >>> just step aside, let diverse ideas evolve and support them whenever >>> possible? >>> >>> I want to focus on doing Python workshops. Not on debating 2 days about >>> where to buy stickers. I say "I" because I'm committing my time. If people >>> think that hijacking I can't help. >> >> >> To put it in other words, IMHO it requires lot of decentralization to make >> the Python Express project succeed and scale. PSSI, so far has been trying >> to make central decisions and keep control of everything it does. >> >> I just don't think Python Express can succeed in the shade of PSSI. > > As much as I think PSSI's attitude should be "Hey, you seem to be > doing some nice Python community work, can we help in any way to make > it better?", I see pssi doing same . It just some people are showing pssi as blocker with out giving reason . > there is a good reason why PSSI has the current > structure in place. It must have > Having said that, I don't think *some people* wanting it to be a PSSI > project is a real blocker for you to proceed, Anand. Is it? > > I see the current situation as more or less like how Bangpypers > evolved last year when Krace took personal interest in it and scaled > it up. There needn't be discussions for every topic of workshops, or > every company where it is being hosted each month. That'll be ver Bangpypers didn't start as pssi and pycon India Runup event . When some project started as pssi how valid is it to say next year it personal project? Am still not seeing any reason where pssi is controlling project . As said , volunteer is what is missing if it's fix everything is solved . Pythonexpress still can run independently like pycon India . Every project needs protocol to be followed and no one can deny it and this is what am not able see . Python month followed protocol hence it was successful . Last year no protocol was followed hence it failed . > So I think what would be best now is for you to start executing. I am > sure every project will have its share of supporters and opposers, for > whatever reason. > > > -- > Haris Ibrahim K. V. > http://sosaysharis.wordpress.com > @harisibrahimkv > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon From sree at mahiti.org Fri Jul 24 06:57:55 2015 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:27:55 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship update In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 23 July 2015 at 23:45, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > We're happy to announce our new platinum sponsor ZeOmega [1] and gold > sponsor Goibibo [2]. Both have been supporting the event for a long time now. Thank you both the sponsors. - sree -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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It's mostly, as far as I understand, a matter of superfluous things like who gets the credit and under what organisation it's being done all of which are completely irrelevant to people who might benefit from the project itself (newcomers to python mostly). Given this, the sanest way forward is to just do what you think is right. All projects need a "first among equals" and your interest makes you the obvious candidate. If PSSI needs to get involved for anything, we'll cross that bridge then. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jul 24 07:26:11 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:56:11 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Sponsorship update In-Reply-To: (Sreekanth S. Rameshaiah's message of "Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:27:55 +0530") References: Message-ID: <87k2tqm8i4.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Jul 24 2015, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: [...] > Both have been supporting the event for a long time now. > Thank you both the sponsors. [...] Indeed! -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 07:27:50 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 10:57:50 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Keynote speakers update In-Reply-To: References: <559E3B6D.5010005@letterboxes.org> <87mvz5v143.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87380xuo4f.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp40txt8.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:34 PM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > We're happy to announce our second Keynote speaker Nicholas H.Tollervey. > > Nicholas is software engineer, classically trained musician, philosophy > graduate, teacher and writer. He has authored Python in Education [1] and > co-authored Learning jQuery Deferreds [2] and Getting Started with > Fluidinfo [3]. > He is a fellow at PSF. He is one of organizers of PyCon UK. He goes by the > handle ntoll [4] in twitter. > > Help me welcome him. > Great! Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at kracekumar.com Fri Jul 24 08:19:14 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:49:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > On Fri, Jul 24 2015, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > > > [...] > > > > I'm not suggesting to create a new organization. I'm only suggesting > > to get away from organizational overheads. I think I've already made > > my point very clear. > > [...] > > Your point is clear enough. I think you should go ahead with running > Python express and use the relevant lists to involve instructors, > students and volunteers as necessary. > > I don't think anyone wants to actually prevent python month from > happening. It's mostly, as far as I understand, a matter of superfluous > things like who gets the credit and under what organisation it's being > done all of which are completely irrelevant to people who might benefit > from the project itself (newcomers to python mostly). > > Given this, the sanest way forward is to just do what you think is > right. All projects need a "first among equals" and your interest makes > you the obvious candidate. If PSSI needs to get involved for anything, > we'll cross that bridge then. > > Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI project. Unless it is clear there is no use of pushing it. -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jul 24 08:25:57 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:55:57 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: (Kracekumar Ramaraju's message of "Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:49:14 +0530") References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <87bnf2m5qi.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Jul 24 2015, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: [...] > Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI > project. I, for one, don't understand what it means for something to be a "PSSI project". If that's made clear, perhaps we can decide what this thing is. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:24:51 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 11:54:51 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > > On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 10:55 AM, Noufal Ibrahim KV < > noufal at nibrahim.net.in> wrote: > >> On Fri, Jul 24 2015, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >> >> >> [...] >> >> >> > I'm not suggesting to create a new organization. I'm only suggesting >> > to get away from organizational overheads. I think I've already made >> > my point very clear. >> >> [...] >> >> Your point is clear enough. I think you should go ahead with running >> Python express and use the relevant lists to involve instructors, >> students and volunteers as necessary. >> >> I don't think anyone wants to actually prevent python month from >> happening. It's mostly, as far as I understand, a matter of superfluous >> things like who gets the credit and under what organisation it's being >> done all of which are completely irrelevant to people who might benefit >> from the project itself (newcomers to python mostly). >> >> Given this, the sanest way forward is to just do what you think is >> right. All projects need a "first among equals" and your interest makes >> you the obvious candidate. If PSSI needs to get involved for anything, >> we'll cross that bridge then. >> >> > Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI > project. > Unless it is clear there is no use of pushing it. > Let me turn it around. It is not clear what it means by a "PSSI project". Unless it is clear, there is no use of pushing it. I've explained my reservations in: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2015-July/009983.html Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sree at mahiti.org Fri Jul 24 08:39:39 2015 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:09:39 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On 24 July 2015 at 11:54, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI >> project. >> Unless it is clear there is no use of pushing it. >> > > Let me turn it around. > > It is not clear what it means by a "PSSI project". Unless it is clear, > there is no use of pushing it. > The event ran under PSSI/ IPSS banner before. It should continue to do so unless there is a justification to move it away from it. As someone who lead the pre-conference python promotional efforts( it was yet to be called python-month/ python-express then) in 2010 in around 20+ colleges in Karnataka I feel its sad that the program is forcibly being taken away from the community just because someone wants to run it on his own. > > I've explained my reservations in: > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2015-July/009983.html > This is in correct reference. You do not have to submit anything to PSSI for running a mini-conference. If you need funding from PSSI to run the mini-conference only then you need to follow the guidelines. https://pssi.org.in/miniconf/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think you should go ahead with running >>> Python express and use the relevant lists to involve instructors, >>> students and volunteers as necessary. >>> >>> I don't think anyone wants to actually prevent python month from >>> happening. It's mostly, as far as I understand, a matter of superfluous >>> things like who gets the credit and under what organisation it's being >>> done all of which are completely irrelevant to people who might benefit >>> from the project itself (newcomers to python mostly). >>> >>> Given this, the sanest way forward is to just do what you think is >>> right. All projects need a "first among equals" and your interest makes >>> you the obvious candidate. If PSSI needs to get involved for anything, >>> we'll cross that bridge then. >>> >> >> Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI project. >> Unless it is clear there is no use of pushing it. > > Let me turn it around. > > It is not clear what it means by a "PSSI project". Unless it is clear, there is no use of pushing it. why did you make copyright for python express as pssi project when you were clear ? Why did we ran it pycon India run up event ? Why did we call for volunteer run the project under pssi umbrella ? You have made any point clear . I would request first clarify so whole community know your stand . I see in Twitter you are requesting for new mailing list what should we take it as ? > I've explained my reservations in: > https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2015-July/009983.html > > Anand > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:48:37 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (Vijay Bang) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:18:37 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <7CD8923C-E665-4F43-911D-121A3E347625@gmail.com> > On 24-Jul-2015, at 12:09, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > > On 24 July 2015 at 11:54, Anand Chitipothu wrote: >>> Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI project. >>> Unless it is clear there is no use of pushing it. >> >> Let me turn it around. >> >> It is not clear what it means by a "PSSI project". Unless it is clear, there is no use of pushing it. > > The event ran under PSSI/ IPSS banner before. It should continue to do so unless there is a justification to move it away from it. > As someone who lead the pre-conference python promotional efforts( it was yet to be called python-month/ python-express then) in 2010 in around 20+ colleges in Karnataka I feel its sad that the program is forcibly being taken away from the community just because someone wants to run it on his own. > Yes I request all to come together and give right message >> I've explained my reservations in: >> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2015-July/009983.html > > This is in correct reference. You do not have to submit anything to PSSI for running a mini-conference. If you need funding from PSSI to run the mini-conference only then you need to follow the guidelines. > https://pssi.org.in/miniconf/ > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jul 24 08:49:22 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:19:22 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: (Sreekanth S. Rameshaiah's message of "Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:09:39 +0530") References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Jul 24 2015, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: [...] > The event ran under PSSI/ IPSS banner before. It should continue to do > so unless there is a justification to move it away from it. As > someone who lead the pre-conference python promotional efforts( it was > yet to be called python-month/ python-express then) in 2010 in around > 20+ colleges in Karnataka I feel its sad that the program is forcibly > being taken away from the community just because someone wants to run > it on his own. [...] As far as I'm concerned, this is red tape. The only way to take this "away from the community" is to dampen the effort with discussions like this and make sure that it doesn't happen at all. If there are no instructors or students who want to collaborate with the project, it will die. It is not and cannot be a one man show anyway. Apart from that, if the project moves forward, the community (or a section of it mostly of newcomers) will benefit. And they won't really care whether PSSI is there on the banner or not. I'm tired of this thread which I see as mostly pointless. As a final point, if, because of all this bickering, Python express goes back to cold storage where it is now, I'd point my finger at the PSSI that actively prevented or atleast dampened the enthusiasm of someone who wanted to conduct something which would, without doubt, benefit the python community here. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:54:56 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:24:56 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:09 PM, Sreekanth S Rameshaiah wrote: > > On 24 July 2015 at 11:54, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > >> Still there isn't clear explanation what is the problem of being PSSI >>> project. >>> Unless it is clear there is no use of pushing it. >>> >> >> Let me turn it around. >> >> It is not clear what it means by a "PSSI project". Unless it is clear, >> there is no use of pushing it. >> > > The event ran under PSSI/ IPSS banner before. It should continue to do so > unless there is a justification to move it away from it. > As someone who lead the pre-conference python promotional efforts( it was > yet to be called python-month/ python-express then) in 2010 in around 20+ > colleges in Karnataka I feel its sad that the program is forcibly being > taken away from the community just because someone wants to run it on his > own. > > >> >> I've explained my reservations in: >> https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2015-July/009983.html >> > > This is in correct reference. You do not have to submit anything to PSSI > for running a mini-conference. If you need funding from PSSI to run the > mini-conference only then you need to follow the guidelines. > https://pssi.org.in/miniconf/ > > Fine. I'm ready to take the lead to run pythonexpress without it being a PSSI project. (reasons already explained) If someone else want to take the lead to run the project in some other way (may be as PSSI project), I'll be very happy to transfer the admin rights of the webapp, domain, repo etc. and step down. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Fri Jul 24 08:56:49 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:26:49 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: > > why did you make copyright for python express as pssi project when you > were clear ? > Why did we ran it pycon India run up event ? > Why did we call for volunteer run the project under pssi umbrella ? > > You have made any point clear . I would request first clarify so whole > community know your stand . > > I see in Twitter you are requesting for new mailing list what should we > take it as ? > Enough of it. I'm signing off for today. I need to polish my notes for a python workshop tomorrow. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandpillai at letterboxes.org Fri Jul 24 09:14:52 2015 From: anandpillai at letterboxes.org (Anand B Pillai) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:44:52 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> Message-ID: <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Friday 24 July 2015 12:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > I'm tired of this thread which I see as mostly pointless. As a > final point, if, because of all this bickering, Python express goes > back to cold storage where it is now, I'd point my finger at the > PSSI that actively prevented or atleast dampened the enthusiasm of > someone who wanted to conduct something which would, without doubt, > benefit the python community here. May I suggest parking this thread for a while ? There are valid points on both sides and as lurker, I feel this is starting to balloon off and take focus away from core PyCon efforts. I suggest to revisit this after a while. - -- Regards, - --Anand - ---------------------------- Software Architect/Consultant anandpillai at letterboxes.org Cell: +919880078014 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJVseXrAAoJEHKU2n17CpvDkIgIAI9uBP+VH2A29keZwuRElciR o8E7JXXUUFJqR44xnUqkE0RY9SmV6NSOwJn57RS/CLS4F1Iuhv3NpMYahQ8dDlSy SIAIHeUcEM6yN/EbQFCvG6rpSNxWezVCeEycO9Qrm6//MhSoKNIRu0ID0QJOCSad Dg89pg8HwiB1D6Igpl7UHqdvHsAorUrCdWgjwW3ggiCT2f8dhViSswqcd1mBNdQ5 rAgrjJGh2SpashJv1XFA2SAfo8l6eeG0GRBuf/l1gW6tUXD+YjZb5TR0w9k31ERf wl+Q8hTbrEbVDpN+81jlJFDM8SB7FfpYIlHpKKBzXBkfbvQXF+/VlAzn7HBJOZE= =kx4A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Fri Jul 24 10:46:30 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 14:16:30 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> (Anand B. Pillai's message of "Fri, 24 Jul 2015 12:44:52 +0530") References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <87y4i6kknt.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Fri, Jul 24 2015, Anand B Pillai wrote: [...] > May I suggest parking this thread for a while ? There are valid points > on both sides and as lurker, I feel this is starting to balloon off > and take focus away from core PyCon efforts. > > I suggest to revisit this after a while. Of course. Python express/month has been parked for a long time. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From me at kracekumar.com Fri Jul 24 15:22:10 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2015 18:52:10 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Anand B Pillai < anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 24 July 2015 12:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > > > > I'm tired of this thread which I see as mostly pointless. As a > > final point, if, because of all this bickering, Python express goes > > back to cold storage where it is now, I'd point my finger at the > > PSSI that actively prevented or atleast dampened the enthusiasm of > > someone who wanted to conduct something which would, without doubt, > > benefit the python community here. > > May I suggest parking this thread for a while ? There are valid points > on both sides and as lurker, I feel this is starting to balloon off > and take focus away from core PyCon efforts. > > I suggest to revisit this after a while. > +1. -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Tue Jul 28 10:37:14 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2015 14:07:14 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 12:44 PM, Anand B Pillai < anandpillai at letterboxes.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Friday 24 July 2015 12:19 PM, Noufal Ibrahim KV wrote: > > > > > I'm tired of this thread which I see as mostly pointless. As a > > final point, if, because of all this bickering, Python express goes > > back to cold storage where it is now, I'd point my finger at the > > PSSI that actively prevented or atleast dampened the enthusiasm of > > someone who wanted to conduct something which would, without doubt, > > benefit the python community here. > > May I suggest parking this thread for a while ? There are valid points > on both sides and as lurker, I feel this is starting to balloon off > and take focus away from core PyCon efforts. > > I suggest to revisit this after a while. > This is already my second attempt to discuss this issue. I don't see a point in delaying it further. The project is almost dead and I'm ready to take the lead in running the project without PSSI (reasons already explained). I don't understand why there is so much resistance. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at kracekumar.com Tue Jul 28 21:31:02 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 01:01:02 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer meet Message-ID: Hi We're having PyCon India volunteers meetup on 8th Aug, 2015 in Hacker Earth office, Koramangala [1] from 10.00 AM to 12.30 PM. Agenda: ----------- - Poster session discussion - Dev Sprint work - Planning for next 2 month work Contact: ----------- - Sayan: 9686992532 Everyone is welcome to join. [1]: https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/HackerEarth/@12.9336518,77.6144962 -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From me at kracekumar.com Tue Jul 28 21:58:26 2015 From: me at kracekumar.com (Kracekumar Ramaraju) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 01:28:26 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: > [...] >> May I suggest parking this thread for a while ? There are valid points >> on both sides and as lurker, I feel this is starting to balloon off >> and take focus away from core PyCon efforts. >> >> I suggest to revisit this after a while. >> > > This is already my second attempt to discuss this issue. I don't see a > point in delaying it further. > > The project is almost dead and I'm ready to take the lead in running the > project without PSSI (reasons already explained). I don't understand why > there is so much resistance. > > Various people have raised concerns. The project was started in 2010 and then became Python Month in 2013, Python Express in 2014. PyCon India/PSSI has supported from its inception. Trying to move the project out of PSSI sends a wrong signal to everyone. Then PyCon India/PSSI looks like a test bed for ideas and later channelize. Tomorrow set of volunteers can come up and argue same thing for PyCon India. Since it is started as PSSI project, it should remain as it is. I was part of various workshops in 2013/2014 and also helped others to do the same. I never found any "organizational overhead", nobody interfered in any of the way. Others can add their experience. It would be nice if everyone can chip in. -- Regards Kracekumar Ramaraju http://kracekumar.com +91 85530 29521 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From foss.mailinglists at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 04:35:45 2015 From: foss.mailinglists at gmail.com (sankarshan) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:05:45 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:28 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > Trying to move the project out of PSSI sends a wrong signal to everyone. The only signal I see on this list is the reluctance of both parties to actually "listen" to each other. Everyone has been delicately hinting at issues while shying away from specifically calling them out. The net result of such kabuki is what we have now in this discussion. > Then PyCon India/PSSI looks like a test bed for ideas and later channelize. > Tomorrow set of volunteers can come up and argue same thing for PyCon India. > Since it is started as PSSI project, it should remain as it is. ^^^ The obvious flaw in that line of logic is that you present PSSI as a body that is unwilling to experiment and thus will not be the preferred choice for any future projects. It might be that your phrasing and intents are at odds (I've often been privately counseled that on this list what-I-read-is-often-not-what-it-is) but I would recommend not using that argument as a trump card. > I was part of various workshops in 2013/2014 and also helped others to do > the same. I never found any "organizational overhead", nobody interfered in > any of the way. Others can add their experience. > > It would be nice if everyone can chip in. -- sankarshan mukhopadhyay From anandology at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 04:50:24 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:20:24 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 1:28 AM, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > > [...] >>> May I suggest parking this thread for a while ? There are valid points >>> on both sides and as lurker, I feel this is starting to balloon off >>> and take focus away from core PyCon efforts. >>> >>> I suggest to revisit this after a while. >>> >> >> This is already my second attempt to discuss this issue. I don't see a >> point in delaying it further. >> >> The project is almost dead and I'm ready to take the lead in running the >> project without PSSI (reasons already explained). I don't understand why >> there is so much resistance. >> >> > Various people have raised concerns. The project was started in 2010 and > then became Python Month in 2013, Python Express in 2014. PyCon India/PSSI > has supported from its inception. > I don't think we ever did python workshops as part of PyCon India before 2013. > Trying to move the project out of PSSI sends a wrong signal to everyone. > Then PyCon India/PSSI looks like a test bed for ideas and later channelize. > Tomorrow set of volunteers can come up and argue same thing for PyCon > India. Since it is started as PSSI project, it should remain as it is. > Thats not a valid argument. PSSI started out of PyCon India, not the other way around. I was part of various workshops in 2013/2014 and also helped others to do > the same. I never found any "organizational overhead", nobody interfered in > any of the way. Others can add their experience. > For example, we couldn't even buy Python stickers for distributing in the workshops. https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Jul 29 05:01:41 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim KV) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:31:41 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: (sankarshan's message of "Wed, 29 Jul 2015 08:05:45 +0530") References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: <87pp3bis4q.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> On Wed, Jul 29 2015, sankarshan wrote: [...] > ^^^ The obvious flaw in that line of logic is that you present PSSI as > a body that is unwilling to experiment and thus will not be the > preferred choice for any future projects. [...] I'd go further. Here's my analysis of the current Python Express thread. 1. Nothing is being done (atleast not obviously so) for Python Month/Express Workshops. 2. Anand sends an email saying that he wants to revive it and will take the lead. 3. Lots of people chime in opposing this for vague reasons like "community project", "PSSI project", "volunteers" etc.[1] 4. Anand finally says that if someone else wants to lead it, they can do so and he'll step back. No one comes up (it's been almost a week since that email went out). 5. A suggestion came up to park the thread (and as a side effect, Python month/express goes back into cold storage). In summary, someone wants to take the initiative/lead for to do something that's obviously beneficial for the community. The PSSI steps in with vague arguments about ownership and stuff and kills enthusiasm of the person who wanted to do it. End result? No Python month. No Python express. Winner? No one. Loser? Community (especially newcomers who will benefit from workshops). Footnotes: [1] Any project including this one will fail if there are no volunteers. PSSI or not. -- Cordially, Noufal http://nibrahim.net.in From sree at mahiti.org Wed Jul 29 07:26:19 2015 From: sree at mahiti.org (Sreekanth S Rameshaiah) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 10:56:19 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On 29 July 2015 at 08:20, Anand Chitipothu wrote: > Various people have raised concerns. The project was started in 2010 and >> then became Python Month in 2013, Python Express in 2014. PyCon India/PSSI >> has supported from its inception. >> > > I don't think we ever did python workshops as part of PyCon India before > 2013. > This is incorrect. - sree -- Sreekanth S Rameshaiah Executive Director Mahiti Infotech Pvt. Ltd. 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URL: From deepsukhwani at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 07:46:13 2015 From: deepsukhwani at gmail.com (Deep Sukhwani) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 11:16:13 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Volunteer meet In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Google Calendar Event Template can be accessed here [1] (In case anyone wants to add the event to their Google Cal) https://goo.gl/6kwrTT ? -- Regards Deep L Sukhwani On 29 July 2015 at 01:01, Kracekumar Ramaraju wrote: > Hi > > We're having PyCon India volunteers meetup on 8th Aug, 2015 in Hacker Earth > office, Koramangala [1] from 10.00 AM to 12.30 PM. > > Agenda: > ----------- > > Poster session discussion > Dev Sprint work > Planning for next 2 month work > > > Contact: > ----------- > > Sayan: 9686992532 > > Everyone is welcome to join. > > [1]: https://www.google.co.in/maps/place/HackerEarth/@12.9336518,77.6144962 > > -- > Regards > Kracekumar Ramaraju > http://kracekumar.com > +91 85530 29521 > > _______________________________________________ > Inpycon mailing list > Inpycon at python.org > https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/inpycon > From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 09:17:46 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 12:47:46 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: Actually am tired with this thread we need to conclude else this project is going nowhere. Anand C want to lead this year and run it as independent community as he think PSSI is hard organizations for pythonexpress project under which it was started. I would request him to one final time explain in *details* what all he thing is hard with PSSI and Why does he think it can't be solved with constructive discussion. Here are few queries which was pending to answer by Anand C this will help for all of us. 1) Do anand C agree pythonMonth/pythonexpress started as PSSI project or PyCon India runup event? 2) Anand C said it hard it is to get stuff from PSSI. > > > [1]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-December/000294.html > [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-November/000263.html > [3]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html > > What did you see hard in this ? 3)Anand C says "With the skills and interests that I have, I think I'm better suited for working on things like Python Express. " What is that skill you are speaking about ? We have not seen you conducting any workshop for pythonmonth and pythonepxress also neither you have volunteered to lead this project till now hence am confused how can you conclude like this. 4) Without pythonmonth success, pythonexpress wouldn't have come ? Do anand C agrees with it. ? 5) When it come to money we need to discuss and try to conclude . If we don't conclude doesn't it means community doesn't agree it right way to spend money ? *we are very young community so we have long way to go hence **differences need to sorted .* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > Actually am tired with this thread we need to conclude else this project > is going nowhere. > > Anand C want to lead this year and run it as independent community as he > think PSSI is hard organizations for pythonexpress project under which it > was started. > I would request him to one final time explain in *details* what all he > thing is hard with PSSI and Why does he think it can't be solved with > constructive discussion. > > Here are few queries which was pending to answer by Anand C this will help > for all of us. > > 1) Do anand C agree pythonMonth/pythonexpress started as PSSI project or > PyCon India runup event? > > 2) Anand C said it hard it is to get stuff from PSSI. >> >> >> [1]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-December/000294.html >> [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-November/000263.html >> [3]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html >> >> What did you see hard in this ? > > 3)Anand C says "With the skills and interests that I have, I think I'm > better suited for working on things like Python Express. " > What is that skill you are speaking about ? > We have not seen you conducting any workshop for pythonmonth and > pythonepxress also neither you have volunteered to lead this project till > now hence am confused how can you conclude like this. > > 4) Without pythonmonth success, pythonexpress wouldn't have come ? Do > anand C agrees with it. ? > > 5) When it come to money we need to discuss and try to conclude . If we > don't conclude doesn't it means community doesn't agree it right way to > spend money ? > > > *we are very young community so we have long way to go hence **differences > need to sorted .* > > > -- Thanks, Vijay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From noufal at nibrahim.net.in Wed Jul 29 13:12:05 2015 From: noufal at nibrahim.net.in (Noufal Ibrahim) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 16:42:05 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On 2015-07-29 15:16, vijay kumar wrote: >>> I don't think we ever did python workshops as part of PyCon India >>> before 2013. >> >> This is incorrect. > > Sree, > > Requesting you to provide more details or context so everyone know > the history and we all are on same page. Mahiti conducted several workshops before the earlier PyCons before 2013, and, as far as I know even before PyCon India itself. It wasn't publicised on the list. However, this is a minor point as far as the topic of Python month/express is concerned. From vnbang2003 at gmail.com Wed Jul 29 15:15:42 2015 From: vnbang2003 at gmail.com (vijay kumar) Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2015 18:45:42 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 4:42 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > On 2015-07-29 15:16, vijay kumar wrote: > >> I don't think we ever did python workshops as part of PyCon India >>>> before 2013. >>>> >>> >>> This is incorrect. >>> >> >> Sree, >> >> Requesting you to provide more details or context so everyone know >> the history and we all are on same page. >> > > Mahiti conducted several workshops before the earlier PyCons before 2013, > and, as far as I know even before PyCon India itself. It wasn't publicised > on the list. > > However, this is a minor point as far as the topic of Python month/express > is concerned. > > > I disagree with your point as Pycon India started in 2009 and sree said it was from 2010. We should let individual speak and make their point clear with explanations. Let's not even drag any organization name in mailing list unless they are fine to do it. My reason to ask was to make everyone understand context for each point made here instead of being in few assumptions. Hope everyone want to resolve conflicts and take step forward with long terms goals with is good for Indian Python community. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anandology at gmail.com Thu Jul 30 08:49:08 2015 From: anandology at gmail.com (Anand Chitipothu) Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 12:19:08 +0530 Subject: [Inpycon] Python Express - Moving Forward In-Reply-To: References: <87lhe8rd09.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <87pp3im8j0.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <874mkum4nh.fsf@nibrahim.net.in> <55B1E5EC.4070303@letterboxes.org> Message-ID: On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 12:47 PM, vijay kumar wrote: > Actually am tired with this thread we need to conclude else this project > is going nowhere. > So am I. > Anand C want to lead this year and run it as independent community as he > think PSSI is hard organizations for pythonexpress project under which it > was started. > I would request him to one final time explain in *details* what all he > thing is hard with PSSI and Why does he think it can't be solved with > constructive discussion. > I'll respond to this a little later, but let me first answer the questions below. > Here are few queries which was pending to answer by Anand C this will help > for all of us. > > 1) Do anand C agree pythonMonth/pythonexpress started as PSSI project or > PyCon India runup event? > Python Month was started as a PyCon India runup event. Python Express was started to run for whole year, so it didn't make sense to continue as PyCon India run up event, we called it a PSSI project. > 2) Anand C said it hard it is to get stuff from PSSI. > >> >> [1]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-December/000294.html >> [2]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pssi/2014-November/000263.html >> [3]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-August/008578.html >> >> What did you see hard in this ? > I'll respond to this a little later. > 3)Anand C says "With the skills and interests that I have, I think I'm > better suited for working on things like Python Express. " > What is that skill you are speaking about ? > We have not seen you conducting any workshop for pythonmonth and > pythonepxress also neither you have volunteered to lead this project till > now hence am confused how can you conclude like this. > Let me tell you about how I came to propose the idea of Python Month. I've been teaching Python informally since 2006. My training notes from 2006 and 2007 are available at [1] and [2]. I was very interested in teaching and mentoring students. I always wanted to go to colleges and do workshops, but it is very difficult to reach to a college and convince them to organize a workshop. I managed to do a workshop in 2007 at IIIT, Trivendrum. I did a one-day public python training[3] in 2012 targeted at students. I did a Python workshop at an engineering college in Gubbi. I managed to reach out to these 2 colleges just because I knew some professor working there. Without knowing someone at the college, it is almost impossible to get them organize a workshop. In 2013, I (along with Krace) did a Python workshop at a college in Bangalore, organized by FSMK. After discussing with folks at FSMK, I've realized that they always have this problem of finding speakers for the workshops they organize. One one hand, there are people like me who are ready to conduct workshops, but don't know how to contact the colleges. On the other hand, there are colleges and organizations like FSMK who want to organize workshops, but having hard time finding speakers. After all this experience, I proposed the idea of Python Month[4] in PyCon India to see if we can collectively bring down the barrier-of-entry to conduct workshops. I did not conduct any workshop as part of Python Month because I've decided help coordinating the efforts rather than doing a workshop myself. Of course, it couldn't have been such a big success without efforts of lot of volunteers doing workshops, coordinating at different levels, including you managing many of those workshops. With Python Express, I've clearly mentioned in the beginning it self [5] that I'll not be able to manage running the workshops as I had other personal commitments at that time. It wasn't that successful because there was no one actively drived it. Hope this gave you confidence about my skills, interests and also intentions. [1]: http://web.archive.org/web/20080217001222/http://futurelabs.infogami.com/python/exercises [2]: https://pythonprogramming.jottit.com/getting_started [3]: http://anandology.com/blog/python-101/ [4]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2013-June/006558.html [5]: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/inpycon/2014-July/008351.html > 4) Without pythonmonth success, pythonexpress wouldn't have come ? Do > anand C agrees with it. ? > I don't see them as two different ideas. The goal was not really to conduct workshops along with PyCon India, but to reduce the barrier-of-entry for conducting such workshops. 5) When it come to money we need to discuss and try to conclude . If we > don't conclude doesn't it means community doesn't agree it right way to > spend money ? > I'll respond to this a little later in another email. Anand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: