[Inpycon] Is PyCon India "really open"?

[Anuvrat Parashar]

On Sun, Jan 14, 2018 at 2:23 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Anuvrat,
>
> On 14 January 2018 at 06:54, Anuvrat Parashar <anuvrat at anuvrat.in> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jan 13, 2018 at 11:31 PM, Vanitha Shanmugam <vani.pree at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Sorry for top posting and also for the late response. Just wanted to
>>> share some data.
>>>
>>> PyCon India is a volunteer driven event and every contribution is a step
>>> towards its success however big or small it is and I appreciate
>>> realslimshanky's contribution.
>>>
>>> IMO, the issue is more of less to do with the communication. Nobody here
>>> is against any contribution. Lets just be clear that we all are working for
>>> PyCon India in whatever way we can and none has any intention of
>>> discouraging or stopping any from doing so.
>>>
>>> A few stats below.
>>> We, PyCon India volunteers plan publishing date for every blog in the
>>> volunteers meeting as it has to go along with website update and other
>>> things depending on the blog content. Minutes are shared in the mailing
>>> list for all meetings conducted so far this year.
>>>
>>> Earlier realslimshanky had merged 2 PRs ([0] and [1]) without keeping
>>> any updated on the same. The blog [0] went live when we setup PyCon India
>>> 2018 website with basic content as the master branch was updated for this.
>>> Since this went live well before our planned date unexpectedly when the
>>> other required updates were not available on our website, it created chaos
>>> as even the core volunteers were not aware of this PR merge.
>>>
>>
>> That is not what sparked the debate. There is a higher standard expected
>> from people who have built the community.
>>
>> If blogs are getting updated because a pull request was merged, thats a
>> flaw in our process, of not having blogs flagged to be in draft mode.
>> Blaming realslimshanky for our shortcomings does not project a good image
>> of the community.
>>
>
> Just to make it clear, I did not blame any. In fact, we did not even
> communicate it to realslimshanky on the chaos the merge was created since
> it was the early stage. I agree there are ways to handle this. Still it is
> always a good practice to wait for at least a couple of reviews and
> approves before merging considering the pace we work with PyCon India
> website.
>

No issues there.


>
>>
>>
>>
>>> That was the reason Vijay suggested him not to merge without having
>>> complete info. His intention was not to discourage him from contributing
>>> but to do it the right way with proper communication. We are just an email
>>> away and it hardly takes a minute to pass on the info and keep everyone
>>> updated. I agree that Vijay could have communicated that in a better way
>>> and as he mentioned in one of the emails, we will make sure such things
>>> will not be repeated.
>>>
>>
>> Sadly despite the community's decision, he is speaking through you. Is he
>> too proud to apologise?
>>
>
> What makes you think that someone else was speaking through me?
>

timing, content and past incidents.


> You think I cannot write a mail on my own or do not have rights to clarify
> things here?
>

Yes and Yes.



> I request you to not assume things, respect my opinions
>

I apologize. Won't happen again.



> and not infer things on your own.
>

Can't promise not to.


>
>> Does he want the community to grow, or does he want the community to grow
>> acknowledging him as its infallible overlord who can never commit any
>> mistake.
>>
>
> Vijay is part of this community and has helped grow this community as
> well. I don't think anybody will deny that.
>

Indeed, and I do not dispute that either.

He accepted that it was his mistake to communicate the way he did. But all
> you want is a formal apology and no other words can match that.
>

Err, not quite. Not a formal apology. but a sincere one.

And words can never match it, actions do.


>
>
>> People like you and me would never have stayed in the community to have
>> this debate had someone kicked us in this way when we were just trying to
>> find our starting ground.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Let us all keep this aside and work together to make PyCon India better;
>>> after all, that is our goal.
>>>
>>
>> There wouldn't be any PyCon India for long if there is no next generation
>> to take the baton.
>> And if we shoo away valued members like Shashank with these curt remarks,
>> we will lose our valued members.
>>
>
> Just to reiterate, nobody was shooed away. It was just a mis-communication.
>

Surely, revoking rights is not just miscommunication, it is action with
prejudice.



> In all this discussion its PyCon India which is getting impacted.
>

Agreed, discussions are hindering 2018 edition.

But if we do not address these issues today, they will cripple the
community and adversely effect many future editions to come.


Peace.
-- 
Anuvrat Parashar <http://anuvrat.in>
http://anuvrat.in
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