[IPython-dev] Announcing shrubbery

[Aaron Meurer]

OK, I edited the file.

Aaron Meurer

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 1:23 PM, MinRK <benjaminrk at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 11:51, Aaron Meurer <asmeurer at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> According to the guide, pip install pyzmq didn't work because I had to
>> pass --zmq="/usr/local/" to the setup.py install command.  This was a
>> couple of weeks ago when I did this, so I don't remember the details
>> (that's why I wrote it all down).  I guess this is the result of
>> compiling zeromq from git.  I seem to remember `pip install pyzmq` not
>> working without zeromq installed already, but I could be wrong.
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> You are right that pip won't work without libzmq because building from
> source needs libzmq headers and library, and pip always builds from source.
> You should only need to specify --zmq=prefix if libzmq is somewhere *other*
> than /usr/local.
> The two easiest ways to install libzmq+pyzmq release:
> 1. easy_install pyzmq
> 2. brew install zeromq  --universal && pip install pyzmq
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>> I did make the choice to install zeromq from git, when I'm sure that
>> installing from a source tarball would have been easier (this is just
>> because "git clone" is easier for me, and having the git clone will
>> make things much easier in the future).  And I used homebrew only as a
>> last resort, where likely I could have gotten more done with it.
>>
>> Anyway, it's perhaps not the best way to do it, but it's the way that
>> worked for me, and I wanted to document it publicly in case any of the
>> tips were helpful to someone else.
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> Yes, this is definitely very helpful.  I would probably just add a note on
> your pyzmq section that says " `easy_install pyzmq` should work, but if you
> want git versions...",
> and possibly remove the 'easy_install/pip won't work' note, since I don't
> believe that it is accurate when you install zeromq to /usr/local as you are
> doing.
> -MinRK
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>> Aaron Meurer
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>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 12:33 PM, MinRK <benjaminrk at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Aaron,
>> >
>> > Your pyzmq steps make it look more complicated than I think it is, if
>> > users want released versions.  There are eggs for osx 2.6,2,7, and
>> > 3.2, so `easy_install pyzmq` works on osx under most circumstances,
>> > and includes 32+64b UB libzmq, so you don't need to build and install
>> > it separately.
>> >
>> > If you do want to build libzmq, you can use homebrew: `brew install
>> > zeromq --universal` (the universal flag for specifying 32+64b).  Since
>> > this (as well as the default `./configure && make && make install`)
>> > put libzmq in /usr/local, then pyzmq *is* pip-installable at this
>> > point.
>> >
>> > -MinRK
>> >
>> > On Aug 21, 2011, at 11:03, Aaron Meurer <asmeurer at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> This is good.  Mac OS X users are usually treated like Linux users in
>> >> that they're expected to be command line savvy to install software
>> >> (actually more than average, since Linux users at least have package
>> >> managers).  But really we should treat most of them the same as we do
>> >> Windows users: people who may know Python, or at least are learning
>> >> it, but aren't very comfortable with the "./configure;make;make
>> >> install" process.
>> >>
>> >> By the way, if anyone's interested, I detailed the steps I took to
>> >> install the qtconsole in Python 2 in Lion with the XCode 4 developer
>> >> tools at
>> >> https://github.com/sympy/sympy/wiki/Installing-the-IPython-qtconsole-in-Mac-OS-X.
>> >> There's nothing too complicated; you just have to make sure that you
>> >> get the right things from the right places.
>> >>
>> >> Some questions about shrubbery:
>> >>
>> >> First, how easy is it to add new packages?  It looked to me like you
>> >> have to edit several places throughout the file to do it, so that it's
>> >> not trivial, especially if you don't know everywhere to edit the file.
>> >>
>> >> Second, I noticed that you are getting everything from git. Have you
>> >> considered using git submodules?
>> >>
>> >> Third, are you considering to just include Python 3 with the installer?
>> >>
>> >> Aaron Meurer
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 3:18 AM, Grahame Bowland
>> >> <grahame at angrygoats.net> wrote:
>> >>> Hi everyone
>> >>>
>> >>> I've spent the last few days coming up with a Python 3 distribution of
>> >>> iPython and friends for Mac OS X. It now works (mostly), and I thought
>> >>> I'd share it.
>> >>>
>> >>> The home page is here:
>> >>> https://github.com/grahame/shrubbery
>> >>> and I've put an experimental installer image here:
>> >>> https://github.com/downloads/grahame/shrubbery/shrubbery.pkg
>> >>>
>> >>> For a long time I've maintained my Python setup by hand, installing
>> >>> packages into /usr/local and eventually having a huge mess. Hence this
>> >>> project - a distribution of software for Mac OS to make it easier for
>> >>> people to get started with iPython.
>> >>>
>> >>> I've targeted Python 3 in the hope it'll encourage the porting of more
>> >>> software to the new version of the language.
>> >>>
>> >>> There's not too much Mac OS specific about this, except that on Linux
>> >>> you'd probably want to get packages from your distribution. If anyone
>> >>> wants to make it work on other platforms that'd be great.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cheers
>> >>> Grahame
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