[IPython-dev] Internet Freedom

Carl Smith carl.input at gmail.com
Tue Jul 9 21:09:13 EDT 2013

Thanks Brain and Anthony for your responses. Brain's point makes lot
of sense. I hadn't really considered the huge difference between a
community and a legal body. You may be right about NumFOCUS Anthony,
but I'll not bring it up on their list personally, just because I've
never posted there before, and there's people on this list with
influence there already.

Thanks again to both of you for being so considerate.

All the best


On 10 July 2013 01:19, Anthony Scopatz <scopatz at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 6:59 PM, Brian Granger <ellisonbg at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I personally like the goals of the IDL, but I think it is important
>> for projects like IPython to remain focused.  Because of this my vote
>> would be for this involvement to happen at the personal level.  I
>> would like IPython itself to remain a-political - with no opinions on
>> outside issues.  I feel this is especially important given the fact
>> that IPython is not a legal entity - it is only an informal group of
>> people who share collective copyright.  It is very difficult to
>> "speak" on behalf of our entire community because of this - both on
>> the practical and conceptual levels.  Groups like Mozilla and PHP or
>> even the PSF are legal entities so there is a clear path for
>> determining what exactly this type of support means (a vote of the
>> board).
> To hopefully not derail this thread too much and to speak to Brian's point
> about being a legal entity, this is more the sort of thing that would be
> appropriate for NumFOCUS to consider.  I suggest you join the NumFOCUS
> mailing list and bring it up there <numfocus at googlegroups.com>.
> Be Well
> Anthony
> 1. http://numfocus.org/
>> Cheers,
>> Brian
>> On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Carl Smith <carl.input at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > The main question, I guess, is whether IPython should explicitly
>> > support causes at all. Normally, an org will focus on it's own
>> > problems, regardless of its members views on non-related issues. That
>> > said, Mozilla and PHP have joined the IDL. Of course, Moz does have an
>> > interest in this issue, but PHP doesn't, at least directly. I just
>> > felt a little disappointed that it was PHP and not Python that I saw
>> > on that list, and that left me confused; I've always thought it's
>> > sensible to have different orgs for different problems, but
>> > nonetheless felt the PSF should get involved.
>> >
>> > This issue is not especially relevant to IPython in particular; I
>> > approached this community as it's one that I feel close to, it's very
>> > diverse and it has a long-standing tradition of contributing to free
>> > software. I should have perhaps made it clearer that this isn't
>> > IPython Dev stuff; it's just a topic this community should perhaps
>> > discuss. There's no urgency, but, in the long run, IPython will
>> > probably need to address the industry's political issues on some
>> > level, even if the decision is to simply leave it to specialist
>> > organisations.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Carl
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>> Brian E. Granger
>> Cal Poly State University, San Luis Obispo
>> bgranger at calpoly.edu and ellisonbg at gmail.com
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