[IronPython] Re: MSH vs IronPython

Wed Sep 29 23:33:59 CEST 2004

>>>> in the doc they speak about a new-object type syntax, but that doesn't 
>>>> work.....
>
> I find your "review" somewhat misleading (the it doesn't work bit?) :)
my "review" is really just a half an hour first imprssion before going to 
bed.
furthermore, many things are really cool.
I even stated (just as briefly) that you could easily browse registry, file 
system, environment, and that's cool.

however it is stated in the GettingStarted.rtf
"
You can also call the constructor for a .NET type or bind to a 
ActiveXObject:

MSH> $d= new-object System.DateTime 2004 12 1

"
and I was frustrated that new-object get me:
'new-object' is not recognized as a cmdlet, function, operable program or 
script file.

and a 'get-command' (cool tool to get..... the list of available command) 
gives me only 'new-item' as potential candidate, but it was not the one!

aynyway it's very much a  beta product, as they said in the GettingStarted:
"
The MSH language is partially implemented at this time; the following 
constructs may be used from the command line:

"

however what work seems to work well, don't get me wrong!

> MSH isn't really intended to be a script based application development
> environment for developing object oriented applications - it really is
> an administrative scripting tool that provides the glue that connects
that was my impression too.
you could "dir" (get-childitem) the environment, the file system, the 
regisry in a consistent manner, you almost believe they are same kind of 
object

> IronPython addresses a different market - one more geared to take
I think too... more and more..

> advantage of its shell, concise yet elegant object oriented language,
> and ability to easily reuse non-binary code - in order to create
> somewhat more traditional executables and libraries.
>
> I'm blown away by MSH's object pipeline, composable architecture and
> simple mechanism for command discovery - but dismayed by its $#*!
> syntax.
me too... and -lt 1 2 too.... but you could use 1<2 too :)
and after half an hour yesterday, in the end, it becomes to be less alien.

OK, time to go to work now, bye...

>
> I'm blown away by (Iron)Python's sheer productivity, concise predictable
> syntax, interactive mode, dynamic (yet strongly-typed) types and ability
> to produce (soon?) and consume CLR types - for more traditional
> development.
>
> Alex Hoffman
>
>
> ----- Original message -----
> From: "Lloyd Dupont" <ld at galador.net>
> To: users-ironpython.com at lists.ironpython.com
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:59:43 +1000
> Subject: Re: [IronPython] Re: users-ironpython.com Digest, Vol 2, Issue
> 20
>
> I could already gives you my 1st impression.
> (but not yet the 2nd one...)
>
> it looks awfull and scriptic like
> while ( $var -lt 10 ) { write-host $var; $var += 1 }
>
> and then it seems more file system oriented (I could get-childitem C: or
> (better) dir HKCU:\Printers)
> but I haven't been able to create a normal object (let say a form).
> in the doc they speak about a
> new-object type syntax, but that doesn't work.....
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Randall Burns" <randall_burns at yahoo.com>
> To: <users-ironpython.com at lists.ironpython.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 5:28 AM
> Subject: [IronPython] Re: users-ironpython.com Digest, Vol 2, Issue 20
>
>
>>
>> --- users-ironpython.com-request at lists.ironpython.com
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2004 21:50:17 +1000
>>> From: "Lloyd Dupont" <ld at galador.net>
>>>
>> What I've found:
>> I tend to write stuff in Python over  bash or similar
>> shells from the standpoint of maintainability-and
>> avoiding a tower of babel(one language can do more).
>>
>> This works because the classes for doing stuff largely
>> equivalent to bash are reasonbly mature in Python.
>> What Microsoft _appears_ to be doing with this stuff
>> is creating a next generation shell that takes
>> advantage of some of the .NET features. That would I
>> expect mean that to provide equivalent functionality,
>> Python would
>> need some new libraries/classes.
>>
>> I'd really like to know your thoughts as you get more
>> familiar with MSH.
>>
>>
>>> I've been confirmed beta tester of MSH, should be
>>> able to start testing
>>> tomorrow (well, this wek-end)
>>> however I have the feeling, somehow, that python has
>>> a definitive edge which
>>> is:
>>>
>>> Python could be embeded into your application, to
>>> provide configurable UI.
>>> Well, any kind of configuration in fact, that's
>>> really great!
>>> Infact even run-time modification (maybe there is
>>> security setting to
>>> investigate before though :S)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Randall Burns" <randall_burns at yahoo.com>
>>> To: <users-ironpython.com at lists.ironpython.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2004 5:34 AM
>>> Subject: [IronPython] Re: users-ironpython.com
>>> Digest, Vol 2, Issue 18
>>>
>>>
>>> > How do folks see the new Microsoft command shell
>>> > relates to IronPython? Will Iron Python be able to
>>> > leverage any of this work?
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>> http://developers.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/21/0153251&tid=201&tid=156&tid=8
>>> >
>>> >
>>
>>
>>
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