[IronPython] IronPython for ASP.Net

Adam Brand adamb at silverkeytech.com
Thu May 21 05:28:19 CEST 2009

Hi Jimmy,


Until we're able to get the source code fully released, do you think it
would be possible to maybe get four or five volunteers NDA'd source code
access to update the build? Regardless of when the source code is released,
that work would need to get done.so maybe this way we could get a headstart?





From: users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com
[mailto:users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Schementi
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 8:17 PM
To: dody at nomadlife.org; Discussion of IronPython
Subject: Re: [IronPython] IronPython for ASP.Net


First off, it hasn't been three years: a refresh was released 8 months ago,
and sent to this very list:



Secondly, rather than just producing these one off releases (where are very
taxing on the team), we're doing it right and getting the source code
released and Ms-Pl'd, so we can include it on Codeplex sources, builds, and
nightly builds. Then it can be included in each IronPython release, just
like Silverlight binaries are.


Lastly, IronRuby and IronPython are programming languages, made by
programming language teams. We're very interested in running as many
existing Ruby and Python programs as possible. It just so happens that
Django and Rails are popular, complex pieces of software that help find
bugs, and give the languages street cred for running them. If those web
frameworks didn't run, theirs probably something wrong with our language. 


Running in ASP.NET and MVC require a significant amount of work outside of
the language, so it really isn't a language team's purpose to build that.
Sure they provide good demos as conferences or blog posts, but they'll only
be toys. We've invested in those technologies before, which is why the
ASP.NET and Silverlight integration exists, but no one is working on
enabling web-technologies full-time (though I have spurts of diving back
into Silverlight from time to time). If you don't like the level of
investment in dynamic languages for Microsoft web technologies, that's
something that you should communicate to the ASP.NET team; Phil Haack
(http://www.haacked.com) or Dmitry Robsman (http://blogs.msdn.com/dmitryr)
are good people to address.




From: users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com
[mailto:users-bounces at lists.ironpython.com] On Behalf Of Dody Gunawinata
Sent: Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:22 PM
To: Discussion of IronPython
Subject: [IronPython] IronPython for ASP.Net


Is there any update for IronPython for ASP.Net?


It has been three years since IronPython support for ASP.Net introduced with
the release of the whitepaper
(http://www.asp.net/DynamicLanguages/whitepaper/) and the first binary.
Since then I think we've had Katrina, a Beijing Olympic, a new President, a
financial collapse and two James Bond movies - yet until now there is still
no up to date support for the technology. I know that the legal team, etc
are working on the source release, but I think it is pretty galling that
Microsoft's own web framework stack is barely supported by its own dynamic
language technology, both on the 'classic' ASP.Net and MVC stack. I mean
there is more energy put into having IronPython and IronRuby to run Django
and RubyOnRails web framework instead of ASP.Net stack. This just doesn't
make sense to me.


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