[Ironpython-users] Implicit conversion of objects to float

Markus Schaber m.schaber at 3s-software.com
Mon Feb 27 09:03:30 CET 2012

Hi, Cesar,

In C#, there's one difference in the following line:
      double sum = val1 + val2;

Here, the compiler knows that the result of the expression should be double, and so it can search for implicit cast operators to double.

In python, you just write
	sum = val1 + val2

So the compiler does not know that the result of the expression should be double, because sum has no type.

Imagine you have implicit conversion operators to int, double and string. All of them provide an + operator. Which of them do you want the compiler to apply?

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Von: ironpython-users-bounces+m.schaber=3s-software.com at python.org [mailto:ironpython-users-bounces+m.schaber=3s-software.com at python.org] Im Auftrag von Cesar Mello
Gesendet: Samstag, 25. Februar 2012 17:25
An: Jeff Hardy
Cc: ironpython-users at python.org
Betreff: Re: [Ironpython-users] Implicit conversion of objects to float


Although implementing the arithmetic operator overloads solve my problem, I am still curious if there is a way to implement the implicit conversion in Python, much like the sample C# program below does. This is a question about the language, so please forgive me if I am asking in the wrong mailing list.

class DataValue
    public double Value { get; set; }
    public DateTime Timestamp { get; set; }
    public static implicit operator double(DataValue dataValue)
      return dataValue.Value;
  class Program
    static void Main(string[] args)
      DataValue val1 = new DataValue { Value = 2.5 };
      DataValue val2 = new DataValue { Value = 3.5 };
      double sum = val1 + val2;

Notice I did not need to implement the operator+ overload, and this object can be used anywhere a double is. I suppose this can be done with __coerce__ in Python 2, but that is not recommended in the documentation (and was removed in Python 3).  Is there any other way to obtain this behavior in Python?

I agree it may be error-prone. But there are valid scenarios where it is not. Although implementing the arithmetic overloads allow me to mix DataValues and floats in the same expressions, I am not able to initialize a Python's Decimal with a DataValue, for example. In C# that could be done.

Thank you very much for the attention!

Best regards

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 7:50 PM, Cesar Mello <cmello at gmail.com> wrote:
OK thank you very much!

Best regards

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Hardy <jdhardy at gmail.com> wrote:
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Cesar Mello <cmello at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you very much for the quick response Jeff!
> First, let me clarify I am a Python newbie, so my assumptions about Python
> may be all wrong.
> I had tried __float__ in a Python object, but it does not work implicitly
> inside expressions (and I think that's the correct behavior). You still have
> to use float(a) for the conversion to be used.
> Now I implemented the C# implicit conversion to double() and I get the same
> behavior (it works if I use float(a) in the expression but if I use a * 5.0
> for example I get the error: "unsupported operand type(s) for *: 'DataValue'
> and 'float'.
Ah, you missed this first part: you'll need to overload the arithmetic
operators for your objects.

Python: Define __add__, __sub__, etc.
C#: Define operator+, operator-, etc.

- Jeff

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