[ mailman-Bugs-229568 ] Pipermail won't resolve author names of aol.com addresses

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Bugs item #229568, was opened at 2001-01-21 14:53
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by cajela
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Category: Pipermail
Group: 2.1 beta
Status: Closed
Resolution: Out of Date
Priority: 7
Submitted By: Aharon Varady (aharon)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: Pipermail won't resolve author names of aol.com addresses

Initial Comment:
Pipermail does not resolve the "author" of emails sent from aol.com. Instead, Pipermail gives the email address of the listserve.

For example: "John" <user at aol.com>
is resolved by pipermail as:  listname at foo.com
and not as John.

This bug only occurs for users of aol.com addresses.

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Comment By: Cath Lawrence (cajela)
Date: 2004-04-29 15:49

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Of course, it is NOT only for aol.com.

I can confirm the same problem with a
firstname.lastname at csiro.au address format.

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Comment By: Terri Oda (spot)
Date: 2002-07-03 06:00

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Whoops.  Diffed the wrong thing.  That's what happens when I 
try to patch code but haven't slept in a few days.  This 
actually works better:

180c180
<       if e is not None:
---
>       if e is not None and self.email == "":


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Comment By: Terri Oda (spot)
Date: 2002-07-02 04:03

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The problem is that it defaults to using the reply-to address if 
it's set, and this isn't what we want when the reply-to is 
always being set by the list.   

Take a careful look at the rest of your archives and you'll 
probably note that *everyone's* email address is showing up 
as listname at foo.com.  It's a nice anti-spam feature, perhaps, 
but probably not what you want. 

Here's a quick fix for pipermail.py:

180c180
<       if e is not None:
---
>       if e is not None and self.email is None:

This just changes it so that it defaults to the From: address 
(when it's set) rather than the Reply-to address.  

If there's some particular reason to take the Reply-To over the 
From, I can make something which actually checks to see if 
the reply-to is being set by the list, but this should solve your 
problem for the moment.

 Terri


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Comment By: Ava Jarvis (katanalynx)
Date: 2002-06-11 12:14

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This bug -- for version 2.0.11 at least -- seems to occur
when 'from' only contains the email address. 

There's some code in pipermail.py (version 2.0.11), line 177: 

<excerpt>
        # Figure out the e-mail address and poster's name
        self.author, self.email = message.getaddr('From')
        e = message.getheader('Reply-To')
        if e is not None:
            self.email = e
        self.email = strip_separators(self.email)
        self.author = strip_separators(self.author)

        if self.author == "":
            self.author = self.email
</excerpt>

If reply-to is set, then it is always taken as the author's
email address.  However, some lists set the reply-to field
to be, for instance, the list address.... and you can guess
what happens 
next when there is no name comment/author.



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Comment By: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Date: 2002-06-07 02:09

Message:
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This comment doesn't directly address the case you report,
but it might be related so I thought it worthwhile to submit.

I see you are using MM2.0.9.
I saw a similar problem with MM2.1b1, which was fixed in
MM2.1b2.
The problem then was that an address with a name "comment"
would be displayed in the archive as the list name, whereas
an address with a name comment would be displayed (properly)
with the name.  Example:

"John Doe" jdoe at whereever.com   displayed as "John Doe"
whereas
jdoe at whereever.com  displayed as the list name.

In your comment, you use an example with a name comment of
"John", but
in the example you provided there is no name comment field,
so perhaps my statements here do apply.

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Comment By: Aharon Varady (aharon)
Date: 2002-06-06 11:37

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Well, this remains (and has always been) a problem for my
lists. I have never had a user posting with an aol.com
address that this hasn't been the case with. 

Currently my solution is to replace the wrong address shown
(philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com) with a generic or balnk mark.

Here is the html source of a typical email from our
pipermail archive, and below it the source email with headers.

-------------------------------------------------------------
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2//EN">
<html>
 <head>
   <title> [Philly_ambient] tool!
   </title>
   <link REL="Index" HREF="index.html" >
   <link REL="made"
HREF="mailto:philly_ambient%40phobos.serve.com">
   <meta NAME="robots" CONTENT="index,nofollow">
   
   <link REL="Previous" 
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002904.html">
   <link REL="Next" 
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002911.html">

 <style TYPE="text/css"><!-- A:link {text-decoration:none}
A:visited {text-decoration:none} --></style></head>
 <body BGCOLOR="#cccccc"><font face="Arial,Helvetica"
size=-1><ul>
   <h4>[Philly_ambient] tool!</h4>Posted by <b>.   .  . .. .
 .   .</b> on <i>Mon Jun  3 23:17:02 2002</i>
    <p></font><table cellpadding=3><tr><td bgcolor=#FFFFFF
width="475"><font face="geneva,courier"><tt> 
<!--beginarticle-->
<pre>hey all
a friend can get me some free tickets to see TOOL on monday
august 12 at 
sovereign bank arena in trenton. i know mondays suck, but oh
well. is anyone 
here into going?  if so, contact me privately.  i know it's
not ambient, but 
neither is some of what we discuss here :)
let me know asap, please

gina


</pre>
<!--endarticle-->
    </tt></font></td></tr></table><font
face="Arial,Helvetica" size=-1>
     <p>
        <!--threads--><!-- robots content="noindex" -->
        <li> Previous message: <a
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002904.html">[Philly_ambient]
Noise Deafinitions and playlist
</a></li>
        <li> Next message: <a
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/002911.html">[Philly_ambient]
Do you hear what I hear? (re: noise deaf)

</a></li>
         <li> <b>Messages sorted by:</b>
              <a
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/date.html#2907">[
date ]</a>
              <a
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/thread.html#2907">[
thread ]</a>
              <a
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/subject.html#2907">[
subject ]</a>
              <a
href="http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/2002-June/author.html#2907">[
author ]</a>

         </li><!-- /robots --> 
</body></html>
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Here is the original email with headers:

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>From - Tue Jun 04 01:16:56 2002
X-UIDL: m;n!!9'f!!a2E"!3;D"!
X-Mozilla-Status: 0001
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000
Return-Path: <philly_ambient-admin at phobos.serve.com>
Delivered-To: aharon at phobos.serve.com
Received: from phobos.serve.com (localhost.localdomain
[127.0.0.1])
	by phobos.serve.com (Postfix) with ESMTP
	id 6BC4D52D2B; Mon,  3 Jun 2002 23:17:06 -0400 (EDT)
Delivered-To: philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com
Received: from imo-r06.mx.aol.com (imo-r06.mx.aol.com
[152.163.225.102])
	by phobos.serve.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F82F52D1D
	for <philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com>; Mon,  3 Jun 2002
23:16:46 -0400 (EDT)
Received: from Mistsojorn at aol.com
	by imo-r06.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id p.d4.184e63f9 (17378)
	 for <philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com>; Mon, 3 Jun 2002
23:14:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mistsojorn at aol.com
Message-ID: <d4.184e63f9.2a2d8a9b at aol.com>
To: philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Mac - Post-GM sub 66
Subject: [Philly_ambient] tool!
Sender: philly_ambient-admin at phobos.serve.com
Errors-To: philly_ambient-admin at phobos.serve.com
X-BeenThere: philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com
X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9
Precedence: bulk
Reply-To: philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com
List-Help:
<mailto:philly_ambient-request at phobos.serve.com?subject=help>
List-Post: <mailto:philly_ambient at phobos.serve.com>
List-Subscribe:
<http://phobos.serve.com/mailman/listinfo/philly_ambient>,
	<mailto:philly_ambient-request at phobos.serve.com?subject=subscribe>
List-Id: a discussion list relevant to Philadelphia Ambient
and Experimental Psychedelic Music Enthusiasts
<philly_ambient.phobos.serve.com>
List-Unsubscribe:
<http://phobos.serve.com/mailman/listinfo/philly_ambient>,
	<mailto:philly_ambient-request at phobos.serve.com?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive:
<http://phobos.serve.com/pipermail/philly_ambient/>
X-Original-Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:14:35 EDT
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 23:14:35 EDT
X-UIDL: m;n!!9'f!!a2E"!3;D"!

hey all
a friend can get me some free tickets to see TOOL on monday
august 12 at 
sovereign bank arena in trenton. i know mondays suck, but oh
well. is anyone 
here into going?  if so, contact me privately.  i know it's
not ambient, but 
neither is some of what we discuss here :)
let me know asap, please

gina
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I don't know why pipermail would treat my aol subscribers
different either. But it is.

Aharon



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Comment By: Barry A. Warsaw (bwarsaw)
Date: 2002-04-29 11:11

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Bizarre.  I've never seen this, and I can't see any reason
why Pipermail would treat aol.com addresses any different.

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