[ mailman-Bugs-1108814 ] convert_html_to_plaintext strips text from hotmail

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Bugs item #1108814, was opened at 2005-01-25 03:04
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Category: configuring/installing
Group: 2.1 (stable)
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Kalvos (kalvos)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: convert_html_to_plaintext strips text from hotmail

Initial Comment:
Mailman version 2.1.5 installed on FreeBSD at pair

I use the web configuration of mailman. It is set up
with convert_html_to_plaintext enabled.

Recent email via Hotmail has been coming in with no
body, even though the original email has text. The text
is present, and although ugly, the code looks average
for HTML mail.

The actual original email content (without headers) is
pasted below. No text is passed through Mailman.

You can see this archive at 
and the result in this message:

Any advice is appreciated if this is not a bug.

<html><div style='background-color:'><DIV class=RTE>
<P>OK, this is the hotmail
<DIV></DIV>&gt;OK, the next message from me will come
from hotmail, as a
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Well, the thing to do is, now that
we've got a
clue, go back to the
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; original email agent and make a
couple of test
posts, &amp; we'll see
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; gets what now that we know to look
for it.
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;&gt; &gt; -- John.
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Brought to you by the 6809,
the 6803 and their
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;Yahoo! Groups Links
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; --
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Cheers, Gene
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; "There are four boxes to be used
in defense of
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;soap, ballot, jury, and
ammo. Please use
in that order."
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; -Ed Howdershelt (Author)
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; 99.32% setiathome rank, not too
shabby for a WV
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Yahoo.com attorneys please note,
additions to this
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; by Gene Heskett are:
<DIV></DIV>&gt; &gt; Copyright 2005 by Maurice Eugene
Heskett, all
rights reserved.
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Brought to you by the 6809, the 6803 and
their cousins!
<DIV></DIV>&gt;Yahoo! Groups Links
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&lt;*&gt; To visit your group on the
web, go to:
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&lt;*&gt; To unsubscribe from this
group, send an email
ColorComputer-unsubscribe at yahoogroups.com
<DIV></DIV>&gt;&lt;*&gt; Your use of Yahoo! Groups is
subject to:


Comment By: Brad Knowles (shub)
Date: 2005-01-28 15:03

Logged In: YES 

Pasting the content of the message body is not useful.  There is MIME 
structure outside of the message body that is not included, and it is this 
MIME structure information that we need in order to find out what has 

This is why I said that we needed to be able to look at the *COMPLETE* 
message contents, both before and after processing by Mailman.

You can't just cut-n-paste the message body.


Comment By: Kalvos (kalvos)
Date: 2005-01-28 13:40

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Thanks for the response.

In my original post, there was a link the defectively
received message, and it is just like the one you found.

The other message was as sent through Yahoo and received by
Yahoo list members -- the content is pasted above. According
to the author, it is what he sent.

Pasted above is exactly what would have been received by
Mailman. The Yahoo Groups list is a member of our list (with
dupes turned off) so both groups can share posts.



Comment By: Brad Knowles (shub)
Date: 2005-01-28 10:25

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It was hard to find examples of what you were talking about.  Can I 
assume that you mean messages like <http://five.pairlist.net/pipermail/

In this case, what we need to do is to see the original, unedited, version 
of the message as it was submitted to Mailman, so that we can try to 
figure out what went wrong and why it was stripped to be "blank" but 
then submitted to the system.

This may require that someone subscribe to Hotmail and send some test 
messages, both directly to another account as well as to the mailing list, 
so that we can see both the edited and the unedited versions of the 

Another problem is that this issue may be specific to the configurations 
of particular people using Hotmail, and it may be difficult to find out 
what options they have set/changed which result in this kind of 


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