[ mailman-Bugs-1868873 ] deceptive listinfo "to post a message..."

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Bugs item #1868873, was opened at 2008-01-11 05:41
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Category: security/privacy
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Private: No
Submitted By: jidanni (jidanni)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: deceptive listinfo "to post a message..."

Initial Comment:
Allow me to introduce the primary bug of all, the one that is
certainly the first one encounters upon first contact with mailman as
a mere user. He sees on the listinfo web page:

 "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..."

Which means TO HIM, the innocent victim, that "posting is wide open.
What ever you send will get full executive treatment and be sent to
all members and the archive forthwith".

When in fact it really means
"Yes, we say 'to post', but to post is not to receive, necessarily.
I.E., depending on policies, your message might 1. go to /dev/null, 2.
go to /dev/null with a notice back to you, 3. go into a queue for
moderator approval, 4. as 3 but with a notice back to you, 5....
and it all depends on the configuration, which the moderator/administrator has
elected not to make public, i.e., one of 1,2,3,4... will happen, and
we could tell you here, but we won't.

So what happens, is due to the *deceptive* message
 "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..."
the user posts and waits several days not knowing what is happening,
while his burning question lies unseen who knows where.

If subscription is required to post, than say "subscription is
required to post".

If you are not willing to mention that subscription is or is not
required, in an effort to thwart spammers, then say "subscription may
be required to post".

Anyway, the software is very aware of just what requirements there are
to post, so it should say them there on listinfo, unless the
administrator has checked "[x]Obfuscate posting requirements on
listinfo page". Whereupon say  "subscription may
be required to post, but the administrator has chosen not to reveal
what they may be."

Anyway, in no case continue saying
 "To post a message to all the list members, send email to ..."
as it looks like the current message. If the list is really wide open, say
 "Membership not required to post"...

Don't just reply to this bug saying to ask the administrator to edit
the HTML files for his site, as the forwarding in
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=199195
probably thought.

Tell them to edit the HTML if checking the above [x] box is not
enough.


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