[Bug 1694384] [NEW] Missing list owner email alias in data/virtual-mailman

[Laurent Declercq]

Public bug reported:

Dear project leader,

In the Mailman version 2.1.21, you released a fix regarding Mailman-
Postfix:

     - Mailman-Postfix integration will now add mailman at domain entries in
      data/virtual-mailman for each domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
      which is a host_name of a list.  This is so the addresses which are
      exposed on admin and listinfo overview pages of virtual domains will
      be deliverable.  (LP: #1459236)

That fix was a good thing. However there is an identical problem for the
site list owner email that is exposed in email notification when you
create a new list. Indeed, when you create a new list, there is a
notification that is sent to the list owner and which state that it must
address all questions to mailman-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN. Therefore, you
should considere adding that alias too in the data/virtual-mailman map.
Right now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery.

That being said, I would want give you my personal point of view
regarding the email addresses that are exposed.

Regarding the site list address that is exposed in the listinfo overview
page:

I tend to think that exposing the site list email address in the
listinfo overview page is a mistake. End-users that visit or subscribe
to the lists shouldn't have to ask any question to the mailman site list
administrator. Think of a shared hosting environment where there is the
sysadmin and the end-users which are administrators of their own lists.

Here, my thinking is that subscribers (or visitors) of the listinfo
interface should ask their questions, not to the mailman site list
administrator, but to the list administrator which is not always the
same person. From my point of view, only the list administrators should
have to ask something to the mailman site list administrator (sysadmin).

Another thing: In the listinfo oveview page, you're also exposing the
list administrator personal email in the footer (email used while
creating the list). From my point of view, that email should be hidden
from the visitors and subscribers. That email, always from my point of
view, should be replaced by the list owner email address
(<listname>-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN).

Thank you.

** Affects: mailman
     Importance: Undecided
         Status: New

** Affects: mailman (Ubuntu)
     Importance: Undecided
         Status: New

** Affects: mailman (Debian)
     Importance: Undecided
         Status: New

** Description changed:

  Dear project leader,
  
  In the Mailman version 2.1.21, you released a fix regarding Mailman-
  Postfix:
  
-      - Mailman-Postfix integration will now add mailman at domain entries in
-       data/virtual-mailman for each domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
-       which is a host_name of a list.  This is so the addresses which are
-       exposed on admin and listinfo overview pages of virtual domains will
-       be deliverable.  (LP: #1459236)
+      - Mailman-Postfix integration will now add mailman at domain entries in
+       data/virtual-mailman for each domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
+       which is a host_name of a list.  This is so the addresses which are
+       exposed on admin and listinfo overview pages of virtual domains will
+       be deliverable.  (LP: #1459236)
  
- That fix was a good thing. However there is an identical problem for the site list owner email that is exposed in email notification when you create a new list. Indeed,
- when you create a new list, there is a notification that is sent to the list owner and which state that it must address all questions to mailman-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN. Therefore, you should considere adding that alias too in the virtual-mailman map. Right now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery notification.
+ That fix was a good thing. However there is an identical problem for the
+ site list owner email that is exposed in email notification when you
+ create a new list. Indeed, when you create a new list, there is a
+ notification that is sent to the list owner and which state that it must
+ address all questions to mailman-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN. Therefore, you
+ should considere adding that alias too in the virtual-mailman map. Right
+ now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery notification.
  
  That being said, I would want give you my personal point of view
  regarding the email addresses that are exposed.
  
  Regarding the site list address that is exposed in the listinfo overview
  page:
  
  I tend to think that exposing the site list email address in the
  listinfo overview page is a mistake. End-users that visit or subscribe
  to the lists shouldn't have to ask any question to the mailman site list
  administrator. Think of a shared hosting environment where there is the
  sysadmin and end-users which are administrators of their own lists.
  
  Here, my thinking is that subscribers (or visitors) of the listinfo
  interface should ask their questions, not to the mailman site list
  administrator, but to the list administrator which is not always the
  same person. From my point of view, only the list administrators should
  have to ask something to the mailman site list administrator (sysadmin).
  
  Another thing: In the listinfo oveview page, you're also exposing the
  list administrator personal email in the footer (email used while
  creating the list). From my point of view, that email should be hidden
  from the visitors and subscribers. That email, always from my point of
  view should be replaced by the list owner email address
- (<listname>-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN.
+ (<listname>-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN).
+ 
+ Thank you.

** Description changed:

  Dear project leader,
  
  In the Mailman version 2.1.21, you released a fix regarding Mailman-
  Postfix:
  
       - Mailman-Postfix integration will now add mailman at domain entries in
        data/virtual-mailman for each domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
        which is a host_name of a list.  This is so the addresses which are
        exposed on admin and listinfo overview pages of virtual domains will
        be deliverable.  (LP: #1459236)
  
  That fix was a good thing. However there is an identical problem for the
  site list owner email that is exposed in email notification when you
  create a new list. Indeed, when you create a new list, there is a
  notification that is sent to the list owner and which state that it must
  address all questions to mailman-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN. Therefore, you
- should considere adding that alias too in the virtual-mailman map. Right
- now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery notification.
+ should considere adding that alias too in the data/virtual-mailman map.
+ Right now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery
+ notification.
  
  That being said, I would want give you my personal point of view
  regarding the email addresses that are exposed.
  
  Regarding the site list address that is exposed in the listinfo overview
  page:
  
  I tend to think that exposing the site list email address in the
  listinfo overview page is a mistake. End-users that visit or subscribe
  to the lists shouldn't have to ask any question to the mailman site list
  administrator. Think of a shared hosting environment where there is the
  sysadmin and end-users which are administrators of their own lists.
  
  Here, my thinking is that subscribers (or visitors) of the listinfo
  interface should ask their questions, not to the mailman site list
  administrator, but to the list administrator which is not always the
  same person. From my point of view, only the list administrators should
  have to ask something to the mailman site list administrator (sysadmin).
  
  Another thing: In the listinfo oveview page, you're also exposing the
  list administrator personal email in the footer (email used while
  creating the list). From my point of view, that email should be hidden
  from the visitors and subscribers. That email, always from my point of
  view should be replaced by the list owner email address
  (<listname>-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN).
  
  Thank you.

** Also affects: mailman (Debian)
   Importance: Undecided
       Status: New

** Also affects: mailman (Ubuntu)
   Importance: Undecided
       Status: New

** Description changed:

  Dear project leader,
  
  In the Mailman version 2.1.21, you released a fix regarding Mailman-
  Postfix:
  
       - Mailman-Postfix integration will now add mailman at domain entries in
        data/virtual-mailman for each domain in POSTFIX_STYLE_VIRTUAL_DOMAINS
        which is a host_name of a list.  This is so the addresses which are
        exposed on admin and listinfo overview pages of virtual domains will
        be deliverable.  (LP: #1459236)
  
  That fix was a good thing. However there is an identical problem for the
  site list owner email that is exposed in email notification when you
  create a new list. Indeed, when you create a new list, there is a
  notification that is sent to the list owner and which state that it must
  address all questions to mailman-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN. Therefore, you
  should considere adding that alias too in the data/virtual-mailman map.
- Right now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery
- notification.
+ Right now, sending mail to such address result to non-delivery.
  
  That being said, I would want give you my personal point of view
  regarding the email addresses that are exposed.
  
  Regarding the site list address that is exposed in the listinfo overview
  page:
  
  I tend to think that exposing the site list email address in the
  listinfo overview page is a mistake. End-users that visit or subscribe
  to the lists shouldn't have to ask any question to the mailman site list
  administrator. Think of a shared hosting environment where there is the
- sysadmin and end-users which are administrators of their own lists.
+ sysadmin and the end-users which are administrators of their own lists.
  
  Here, my thinking is that subscribers (or visitors) of the listinfo
  interface should ask their questions, not to the mailman site list
  administrator, but to the list administrator which is not always the
  same person. From my point of view, only the list administrators should
  have to ask something to the mailman site list administrator (sysadmin).
  
  Another thing: In the listinfo oveview page, you're also exposing the
  list administrator personal email in the footer (email used while
  creating the list). From my point of view, that email should be hidden
  from the visitors and subscribers. That email, always from my point of
- view should be replaced by the list owner email address
+ view, should be replaced by the list owner email address
  (<listname>-owner at VIRTUAL_DOMAIN).
  
  Thank you.

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