[Mailman-Developers] ZMailman 2.1 preview

[Dan Mick]

JC and Stephan's points describe differences in internal implementation
and organizational development, but I'm having a hard time seeing actual
advantages there.   Security is the one thing I see as "better with Zope".
Surely there must be other compelling reasons; I mean, one could recode
Mailman in Perl, but why?...one could change from native FS to Andrew FS,
but why?...etc.


Stephan Richter wrote:
> 
> At 05:02 PM 12/9/2001 -0800, J C Lawrence wrote:
> >On Sun, 09 Dec 2001 16:34:53 -0800
> >Dan Mick <dmick@utopia.West.Sun.COM> wrote:
> >
> > > I don't understand Zope; can someone describe why I might want
> > > this, what it buys me, etc. (like a sales brochure)?
> >
> >Think a semi-OO based PHP setup where the OO as[ects extended not
> >only to the internal language, but also to the construction of page
> >elements and templates, and of course, instead of using PHP, use
> >Python and much more cleanly abstracted DB interface.  Probably the
> >biggest other difference is that Zope natievly works off a single
> >unified store rather than the filesystem.
> 
> Yes, that is pretty good, even though comparing Zope/Python to PHP is not
> really possible.
> 
> First of all, the Python team and the Zope team work all for the same
> company Zope Corp.
> 
> Then, Zope is a Python-based Web Application Server. It uses the ZODB, an
> object-oriented DB, that stores automatically all the objects. Since
> everything is saved there, security is built in from the beginning, so you
> do not have to worry about people breaking in into objects, just because
> you forgot to set permissions or hiding a link. Zope uses many advanced
> design patterns, such as Persistence, Acquisition, Page Templates,
> Component Architectures (Zope 3.0) and so on.
> 
> If you like Python and need to do Web applications a lot, you should have a
> look at Zope (www.zope.org). It is a very nice software and does a lot of
> things for you.
> 
> Furthermore, for the Mailman 3.0 release I would like to make a case for
> using the ZODB (not the entire Zope package!) for storing our data
> structures, since we will not have to worry about file locking and data
> storage in general anymore. Furthermore, we can then easily build adapters
> for other data storages. Again, this is just a suggestion... I still have
> to read the archives and proposals some more, before I can propose a design
> for the data structures to the list.
> 
> As you might have noticed, this is really what I am interested in, because
> having tighter integrations between Web tools and Mailman, could give
> Mailman a huge boost in usage. In fact, the current ZMailman release does
> already some nice things, but it will be even better, once the data is
> stored in the ZODB. Unfortunately, the current data structures are not
> clean enough for this effort and I did not want to rewrite most of Mailman
> to make it work. ;-)
> 
> Regards,
> Stephan
> 
> --
> Stephan Richter
> CBU - Physics and Chemistry Student
> Web2k - Web Design/Development & Technical Project Management
> 
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