[Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work

J C Lawrence claw@kanga.nu
Tue, 06 Nov 2001 14:29:37 -0800

CC'ed to -developers to note that pipermail's threading seems either
broken/fragile, and to note that the mbox archives for the -users
list are borked (early apparency is that Pipermail is excessively
restrictive on In-Reply-To header field formats).

On Mon, 05 Nov 2001 08:18:55 +0100 
Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> wrote:

> On Friday 02 November 2001 09:53, J C Lawrence wrote:
>> On Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100

>> exmh.  Quoting the headers from this very message:
>> In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com> of
>> "Fri, 02 Nov 2001 10:42:33 +0100."
>> <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com> References:
>> <0111021004.AA1004693972@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>

> There are gone when the message arrives at my workstation (at
> least, kmail 'show all headers' does not reveal them). Neither in
> the copy received from your not the one sent by the list.

Which is then a problem with your mail setup, and is not specific to
either the mail I send, or the mailman lists at Python.Org.  Quoting
the full headers from another message I sent to this forum:

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Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] resolving qfiles stuck in the queue
From: J C Lawrence <claw@2wire.com>
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2001 12:41:25 -0800
To: Ljacobs@shambhala.com
Cc: mailman-users@python.org

Unfortunately the mbox files for the archives at python.org are
borked, but checking other posts of mine there universally show
correct in-Reply-To: and References: headers.  eg:

>From claw@kanga.nu  Thu Nov  1 18:00:37 2001
From: claw@kanga.nu (J C Lawrence)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2001 10:00:37 -0800
Subject: [Mailman-Users] threaded view on archive does not work
In-Reply-To: Message from Lucas Hofman <lucas.hofman@pgs.com>
 of "Thu, 01 Nov 2001 11:30:22 +0100." <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
References: <0111011004.AA1004610438@lysntsmail.oslo.pgs.com>
Message-ID: <29859.1004637637@kanga.nu>

> Do you have any any why your messages do not hread in the mailman
> user maillist archive? 


> In other words, could it be that the mail
> system at python.org does not see those headers too?

No.  This would appear to be another Pipermail bug.  As you can see


my messages thread properly under MHonArc (a tool I know handles
thread headers properly).

J C Lawrence
---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
claw@kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.