[Mailman-Developers] Re: [BUG] Users are created as moderated in CVS mailman

[Ben Gertzfield]

>>>>> "Chuq" == Chuq Von Rospach <chuqui@plaidworks.com> writes:

    BG> What exactly do we gain from this?

    Chuq> A couple of things.

    Chuq> First, it stops the "subscribe and spam", which is a growing
    Chuq> problem. It's not an issue with the big spammers (except on
    Chuq> major list sites like yahoogroups, where it IS increasingly
    Chuq> a hassle), but the small guys, especially if you have a list
    Chuq> that their products target.

Yes, but why should this be default?  For lists that have problems
with "subscribe and spam" spammers, let them turn on this attribute,
but confusing all the other admins who suddenly have a ton of new
moderated users after they upgrade is not worth it.

    Chuq> Basically, it gives admins another tool to try to cut the
    Chuq> noise. Some admins really want this. Some will consider it
    Chuq> an abomination. It's all in your admin style. I'd want it
    Chuq> for the first two. I might use the last two tactically on
    Chuq> SOME lists, or in some circumstances, but not generally.

I absolutely agree that we need to give admins this tool.

But I disagree vehemently about it being the default; please think
about the amount of flaming Mailman will get for increasing the load
on list admins silently by tenfold every time a new user joins the
list.

Ben

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