[Mailman-Developers] Re: [Mailman-checkins] mailman3 README.txt, NONE, 3.0

Richard Barrett r.barrett at ftel.co.uk
Mon Sep 8 19:33:15 EDT 2003

I would assume that Barry is working on the "it ain't broke so don't 
fix it" principle and he is sufficiently busy that getting real work 
done is enough to be going on with (like outstanding bug fixes checked 
and applied to the CVS so that 2.1.3 can be generated and shipped).

If that is the case I would support the view that adopting a new 
version control approach may not be the most important task currently 
to hand for the Mailman project leader.

On Monday, September 8, 2003, at 04:16  pm, Harald Meland wrote:

> [Barry Warsaw]
>> On Sun, 2003-09-07 at 17:30, Harald Meland wrote:
>>> If there is enough demand for tree reorganization to require using a
>>> completely new CVS module, has any thought been given to switching to
>>> a revision control system that actually *supports* renames?
>> Thought about it, but as long as we're on SF and SF uses CVS, it's too
>> much work to switch.
> I'm not sure which aspect(s) of "SF uses CVS" you're referring to:
>  1) SF hosts the "official" CVS repository.
>  2) SF has a system for granting project developers commit access to
>     the central repository.
>  3) SF hosts an anonymous access version of the repository.
>  4) SF has routines for gathering "project activity metrics" that are
>     (partly) based on CVS access.
>  5) Users familiar with SF more or less expect all projects hosted
>     there to use CVS.
> ... or something else?
> A complete switch to e.g. GNU Arch
> (http://www.gnu.org/directory/GNU/arch.html) does not conflict with
> all of these:
>  1) SF provides both sftp and http access.  Arch can do archive
>     (Arch's name for "repository") access (r/w) over sftp, and
>     read-only access over http.
>  2) It is possible to use the same file groups SF uses for CVS access
>     to do Arch commit access (over e.g. sftp).  However, with Arch's
>     support for distributed archives, it might not be necessary.
>  3) With Arch, one could either use the devel archive directly
>     (because the same archive could be accessed through both sftp and
>     http), or one could leverage Arch's support for mirroring of
>     archives.
>  4) No good solution here -- but then again, I'm not convinced it
>     really is necessary to "solve" this.  I don't think SF's
>     popularity-meter is particularly important to Mailman...
>  5) Well, I think users with such expectations are bound to be wrong
>     sooner or later. :-)
> Additionally, a "complete switch" might not be necessary; some
> projects are using both CVS and Arch simultaneously.  These setups
> typically leave it to the Arch users to do the gatewaying to/from CVS
> -- but the CVS users are more likely to get into trouble when
> files/directories are moved around, as such changes will be seen as
> delete+add operations in CVS.
> Finally, there are other systems than Arch our there.  In particular,
> Meta-CVS (http://users.footprints.net/~kaz/mcvs.html) provides an easy
> (if not backwards compatible) solution to items 1-4 (but still
> requires users to change their expectations).
> -- 
> Harald

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