[Mailman-Developers] [Greg Stark <gsstark@mit.edu>] Re:Bounceremoval parameters default values

[Dallas Bethune]

I think the issue is that CPanel sort of takes over your machine and 
handles all the major configuration and it does not support VERP 
configurations.  I've never used CPanel so I don't know the specifics, 
but I believe that's the issue.

	Dallas



On Jul 2, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Bob Puff at NLE wrote:

> Unless I am missing something here, why don't you just enable verp in 
> your MTA?  Postfix, Sendmail, Exim, and Qmail all support it.  What's 
> the big deal?
>
> Bob
>
> Somuchfun wrote:
>> This is not the point here, J.C.
>> The important point is the fact that mailman did introduce a new way 
>> of
>> handling bounces without a way to opt-out of this new way. Normally 
>> every
>> software package that introduces a new way of doing a certain task 
>> (opposed
>> to a complete new functionality) there is an option to opt-out and 
>> continue
>> "the old way" until all proper changes have been done.
>> Take cPanel for example, they have still not gotten around to make the
>> proper adjustments to their highly complex environment and they are 
>> used
>> hundreds of thousands of times around the world by web hosting 
>> companies.
>> Right now people are unsubscribed because of this all over the place 
>> for no
>> apparent reason (from the view of the user). The only way to not end 
>> up in
>> trouble in this environment is to turn off bounce handling completely 
>> in
>> mailman 2.1.5
>> So looking at this, do you still think it was wise to introduce VERP 
>> bounce
>> probes by default and by force with no choice?
>> ----------------------------------------
>> MANA TANGATA
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: J C Lawrence [mailto:claw at kanga.nu] Sent: Thursday, July 01, 
>>> 2004 5:58 PM
>>> To: John W. Baxter
>>> Cc: mailman-developers at python.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Developers] [Greg Stark <gsstark at mit.edu>] 
>>> Re:Bounceremoval parameters default values
>>> On Thu, 01 Jul 2004 17:48:21 -0700 John W Baxter 
>>> <jwblist at olympus.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 7/1/2004 9:57, "J C Lawrence" <claw at kanga.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> They can of course always gain that same time and more by
>>>
>>> simply not
>>>
>>>>> upgrading.
>>>
>>>> Which is decidedly NOT encouraged by this snippet from Barry's 2.1.5
>>>> announcement:
>>>
>>>>  This version also contains a fix for an exploit that
>>>
>>> could allow 3rd
>>>
>>>>  parties to retrieve member passwords.  It is thus highly
>>>
>>> recommended
>>>
>>>>  that all existing sites upgrade to the latest version.
>>>
>>> Yup, of such hard choices are upgrades made.
>>>
>>> Of course Mailman passwords are also not the most significant things 
>>> in
>>> the computing universe.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> J C Lawrence
>>> ---------(*)                Satan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
>>> claw at kanga.nu               He lived as a devil, eh?
>>> http://www.kanga.nu/~claw/  Evil is a name of a foeman, as I live.
>>>