[Mailman-Developers] PHP Wrappers?

Barry Warsaw barry at python.org
Tue Nov 22 19:42:24 CET 2005

On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 01:36 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:

> The problem isn't really that pickles are Python-specific, that's what
> Fred Brooks would call an "accidental" obstacle.  You're right, we
> could, at a fairly predictable amount of effort, convert from a
> Python-specific data store to a standard one accessible by a
> well-defined protocol such as LDAP or SQL.  The problem is that the
> data used by Mailman doesn't necessarily fit those models, and we
> won't know how hard the conversion is (ie, what effects there will be
> on various parts of Mailman) until we do it.  It's a good bet that it
> will be harder than it looks.

We actually made excellent progress at this during the last sprint (how
many months ago was that?!).  It is very difficult because IMO, an
object database is a better fit for Mailman's data model than a table.
Tools like SQLObject (which we used during the sprint) did help out a
lot, but some of the access patterns resulting in fairly convoluted


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